Crusader Intrepid - 3.24.3 Release

[native forge]

The fact that it has doors to the cargo grid areas, means it might have a "Secondary" Entrance in the cargo area (as the lifts come down out of the ship.) Which would make it the first smaller Crusader ship to have one. Though as I've stated before, the doors might just be mislabled hull doors that open up on the bottom of the hull like the Zeus.

[native forge]

I'm kind of hoping it has an exploration variant. Because Crusader doesn't really have one of those yet.

[native forge]

Crusader Intrepid

CRUS_Intrepid
vehicleName="@vehicle_NameCRUS_Intrepid" vehicleRole="@item_ShipFocus_Starter"
and it has a ramp hardpoint_entrance_ramp

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hardpoint_cargodoor_right" />
hardpoint_missile_rack_left" /
hardpoint_missile_rack_right" 
hardpoint_weapon_main" />
hardpoint_entrance_ramp" />
hardpoint_fuel_ground" />
hardpoint_fuel_port" />
Headlight_Left" />
Headlight_Right" />
hardpoint_entrance_door" />
hardpoint_engineeringscreen" /

CRUS_Intrepid_CargoGrid

CRUS_Intrepid
entrance_ramp
entrance_cargo

Loadout:

POWR_SASU_S01_LightBlossom
COOL_LPLT_S01_BlastChill
SHLD_SECO_S01_HEX
COMP_BEHR_S01_CSR-
RADR_GRNP_S01_Ecouter
RELAY_2slot_slim
QDRV_ACAS_S01_FoxFire
INTK_FuelIntake_CRUS_Intrepid
INTK_FuelIntake_CRUS_Intrepid
LFSP_TYDT_S01_ComfortAir
Door_RN_RoomConnector_Exterior_Intrepid_CargoLift
Door_RN_RoomConnector_Exterior_Intrepid_CargoLift_right
MRCK_S01_BEHR_Single_S01
MISL_S01_IR_BEHR_Marksman

[native forge]

Thanks, man.

[pearl gust]

Looks like a slightly modified Ares

[native forge]

It's probably going to be STF if not IAE.

Because it's just a Spirit + Ares with 2x 300-series cargo elevators

The side door is just taken from the Zeus too.

[native forge]

CRUS_Intrepid_FridgeDoorLeft
CRUS_Intrepid_FridgeDoorRight
CRUS_Intrepid_Toilet
CRUS_Interpid_Bench
CRUS_Intrepid_Weapon_Rack
CRUS_Intrepid_Bed_Single_Right

[native forge]

Forgot to re-upload the Silhouette too.

[pearl gust]

Feels like it's more an an Aegis/RSI shape from the silhoutte though.

[polar merlin]

So this going to be like a hybrid mini starfighter (more likely ion) with small interior? So single bigger gun (s5?) That's likely bespoke.

[vale aspen]

Starter ships generally have enough of a little of everything that they'd be decent explorers.

I find exploration focused ships typically have upsized radar and our more fuel

[worthy sun]

But what's the advantage of 315p then

Against other ships in that price range which as you say "can be decent explorers"

[sick apex]

The tractor beam isn't it?

[native forge]

The 315p has a tractor Beam instead of a nose weapon. Which is useful for loading big ships with 32 SCU Crates once they disallow handheld tractor beams being able to do so in the future

[sacred lark]

Name intrepid, do you think there’s a possibility this is a Crusader exploration?

[native forge]

It's a starter. But we don't know if it will have variants.

It could just be a multi-role starter too, since crusader ships tend to be bigger than the competition

[sacred lark]

Fair

[native forge]

Here's the Crusader Intrepid. The clip cuts off before it can show the cargo room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLLLtaM0Jf0&t=2h41m9s (2:41:09)

[umbral tendon]

Is that a medical Terrapin just prior to that timestamp? (right at the start of that section)

[native forge]

Yeah

It should be mentioned, for those wondering about getting vehicles in the Crusader Intrepid:

1. Has to fit through a personnel door via a side ramp/steps
2. Or has to fit through a small cargo lift.
   It has no back ramp/entrance. This was confirmed with the IAE teaser flythrough

[stable pewter]

Damn I like this ship.

[native forge]

Kroneg Manufacturer for the large Intrepid Gun: https://starcitizen.tools/Kroneg

Looks like it's an FL-33 Laser Cannon.

Cargo hatch

Looks like Marksman Missiles.

https://starcitizen.tools/Marksman_I_Missile

[polar merlin]

A single S3 gun for this thing? That'd be disappointing

[native forge]

We won't know full specs until IAE. Or if Evocati leaks it in a build prior.

[native forge]

@magic totem Please look around in this thread, thanks.

[magic totem]

alright

[magic totem]

So this is the new starter crusader ship. And we have no idea what price point we’re looking at. But we did get very obscure sneak peeks.

[native forge]

If you want to know my guess on price:

• 55-65 USD standalone; 45-50 USD Warbond
• 75-80 USD Game Package
  Pretty much the same as the Avenger Titan.

It's probably going to come with a red paint option.

[magic totem]

Okay so…if it’s the same price as the Titan but I wanted to “upgrade” would that actually change the price…?

[native forge]

You can't side-grade, so no. Unless you upgrade to a non-warbond version that's at least 1 USD higher in price.

They might give it the 80 USD spot between the Syulen and the Titan though on the game package list.

[magic totem]

Which would make the upgrade $5. Alright

But if the warbond is in the fifties I might just get the standalone

[native forge]

Crusader is usually a premium brand over others like Aegis.

There will be a warbond game package like we had on the Syulen and Cutter. Will have LTI.

[bitter ravine]

Still no leaks on what size that gun is?

[native forge]

It's an FL-33 almost 100% sure: #1292191834977730683 message

And the FL-33, as per its name, is a Size 3.

[bitter ravine]

Damn. Was half expecting s4 like the titan

[native forge]

We might get a combat variant that does that in the future, who knows. Because Origin's base 300i has 3xS3, and the Syulen has 3xS3.

[polar merlin]

A single S3 is pathetic. That would be the weakest starter for DPS on a ship that appears to take after the starfighter class. It should really be a bespoke gun with high dps

[void anchor]

it seems Intrepid is kind of a multirole similar in size to titan but more speed, cargo, living quarter focused. Might even be an explorer starter who knows. It doesn't have to get DPS if combat isn't it's main role

[native forge]

I could see them removing the cargo lifts and having guns pop out from the hatches instead. Imagine it having two size 4s.

[magic totem]

Plus, if you’re starting off, when do you even need a good DPS?
FPS bunkers can make good money and you don’t need your ship to have good guns. If anything I’d prefer if I can move / maneuver faster so I can get to my distrib faster. 🤷‍♂️

If it’s a good multi role I’d be pretty happy.
If it can do cargo, fly well, have a bed and maybe fit 2-3 people in there that sounds like the perfect starter.

[native forge]

I have a feeling people might get a little too much of their hopes up for when it comes to the back cargo area. I've made an image in my head shown below as to what I expect.

[native forge]

Pretty much confirmed when I found this a frame before the switch to the polaris.

DOOR
[X]


[X]
CARGO

This is on the left (port) side. Which means there are cargo grids on each side of the Intrepid.

[polar merlin]

Multi role to me includes combat loops. Bounties, bunkers, cargo. The Nomad smokes this thing if it only has a single S3 weapon.

Hell the cutter smokes it

[magic totem]

depends on the price. Ik cutters on sale rn

[dark raven]

hoping to see maybe 6-12 scu for cargo hold

[void anchor]

Would be good yeah. If its fast enough and eventually with good scan/explo features it would be instant buy for me.
Kinda 315p competitor

[native forge]

Definitely 6 at least

[polar merlin]

But the 315p has twice the firepower and a tractor beam!

[void anchor]

Firepower isnt everything you know...

[native forge]

I have a feeling they aren't showing us everything anyway. They only showed 2xS1 Marksman Missiles. But it clearly has two sets as per the datamined specs:

hardpoint_missile_rack_left" /
hardpoint_missile_rack_right" 

Plus, the datamined loadout didn't include the weapon, which we can already see is an FL-33.

[dark raven]

any info on a weapon rack and suit locker? I want my starting ship to have it all lol

[native forge]

It has a weapon rack: #1292191834977730683 message

No information about a locker

[dark raven]

sweet

[polar merlin]

Then get the Nomad

[dark raven]

don't like the open cargo area or the ladder

[native forge]

The cargo is sealed behind a door/window/etc. as per #1292191834977730683 message

[dark raven]

I meant for the nomad my b

[native forge]

At least the Nomad's cargo is protected by its shield. Unlike Hull Series.

[native forge]

Thanks to @rich cliff posting it in #star-citizen

[rich cliff]

[umbral tendon]

oh that's neat

[void anchor]

I want it

it looks way bigger than what I expected tho. I'm afraid price will also be bigger xD

[native forge]

It's likely going to fit in the 80 USD Game Package slot between the Syulen and the Avenger Titan.

[void anchor]

I'm thinking more between syulen and cutlass black tbh. it looks more cutlass size than titan for sure. But it's crusader. looks big but small inside xD

[native forge]

It's not going to be more than the Nomad

[void anchor]

At least it doesn't have oversized wings xD

[rich cliff]

It’s got spirit thruster configuration and a side entrance

Groundbreaking Crusader design

[native forge]

We're hoping that the cargo windows inside can open up, allowing for a second unintended entrance.

[echo copper]

Only one weapon kinda silly

[void anchor]

what if there are loads of missiles?

[polar merlin]

MRCK_S01_BEHR_Single_S01
MISL_S01_IR_BEHR_Marksman

Nope

Only way this ship gonna be worth the price tag is if it's got as much cargo capacity as the Nomad minus the tractor turret

[native forge]

Yeah, there's only four size 1 missiles

I have a feeling it's only going to be 6 SCU Total. Three on each side.

[polar merlin]

It's the weakest / most vulnerable non-racer ship in the game if the leaks are accurate

[void anchor]

idk there must be a catch or something specific making it at minimum valuable. because a 6scu ship that big with a single gun would be very dumb. Either it has exploration features, speed/flight perf above average or whatever or it would be a concept failure

I'm waiting to have full specs to judge anyway

[native forge]

We should hopefully get something during an ISC next week or the week after

[magic totem]

Psh jeez this is surprisingly well edited

[native forge]

It's definitely at least 1.5 times the size of the Avenger

[magic totem]

Probably gonna cost a bit more than. Upgrade time 💯

[native forge]

But it uses all of its space.

I'm expecting it to fit between the Titan and Syulen at 80 USD for a game package. It will not be more than a nomad.

We don't know if it has more guns or not, since we've barely seen its top and the flythrough model is likely not complete.

They could also replace the Arrow Starter pack with it, and remove the Arrow Starter pack, since... you know, it has no cargo

[void anchor]

imo it'll be 70 stand alone at least. if not more because it looks as big as a cutlass tbh

[native forge]

Maybe if you sliced off all of the cutlass' engines

[void anchor]

I mean, it's definitely bigger than a titan and a 300i or nomad which are less than 10m shorter than a cutlass so I doubt it'll be cheaper than those

[native forge]

It won't be more expensive than the nomad, since the nomad can haul more

Unless those are deceptively large cargo grids, and the Intrepid can haul a whopping 48 SCU, 24x2

[void anchor]

well... I doubt it's how prices are made tbh. we have cyclone roc ds and avenger warlock in nomad price range...
That's why I think intrepid must have something that makes it special. a specification to compensate it's single weapon and supposed small cargo for it's size.

[native forge]

No, the Nomad has more firepower than the Intrepid if it only has the one gun

[void anchor]

I don't think something that big can be at a 60-70 price tag either tbh

one thing I know for sure is cig want to sell their ships. And they would sell none if Intrepid is a nomad/cutlass size ship with 6-10 scu cargo with a single gun. Nobody would buy that except crusaders simps

[native forge]

Nobody would buy that except crusaders simps

[void anchor]

I mean. if it looks good enough and I've a use for it I could take it xD

[vale aspen]

It really depends on how it looks and performs.

I still think the c1 had a hard time competing in its class but

Cutlass black.
+Firepower
-smaller cargo capacity

C1
+Rotating tractor
-no additional crew gun turret

Freelancer MAX
+Large cargo
-No tractor

Zeus CL
-less pilot firepower
+Cargo
+Tractor
+Gunner seat

The intrepid might be similar in that it's either middling or has one thing other starters don't really have

[void anchor]

I kinda wish it would be a starter explorer. with better than other starter scans, speed and lower signature

it has the size, the cargo and room inside for it

[vale aspen]

The cutter scout is kind of that I guess. I forget if you can get a game package for that one.

But I'm hoping the Intrepid has something that sets it apart like that

[native forge]

You can't, no. The variants are usually more expensive than the base version for that reason.

Which is why I was upset when I found the ES/CL were the same price. I'm also hoping the Intrepid has a scanning terminal.

[sharp lodge]

Anyone guesses on the price?

[native forge]

I made a guess of 85 USD for the Game Package. Non-Warbond.

[vivid flower]

Iiiidk about this ship. C1 felt like a starter to me. I'm not sure how this ship is going to sell if it's any less valuable than a C1. Though I'm sure it will still sell. I'll probably still buy one. I know I just won't use it...

[sharp lodge]

The c1 is like a cutlass
I wouldnt consider it a starter

Mustang and aurora are the true starters

[native forge]

Everything in between is "Premium." Intrepid included.

[magic totem]

I feel like a cutlass is like an intermediate starter. Great if the game is wiped and you have nothing but it’s a cheap upgrade from the Titan.

[native forge]

"Premium Starter" Though to be fair, the Titan is a premium starter. Same with the Nomad, Syulen, etc.

[native forge]

Intrepid is on the IAE 2954 Trailer

Briefly at 0:24 or so. It's not shown again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdiN6XpAwwU&t=24s

[lunar garden]

necroposting here but with IAE around the corner I gathered up all the info about the intrepid gathered here and compiling it for ppl trying to find info on this ship. I did not find this info you can thank the folks above me for that.

The intrepid ship line is a 1 person starter vessel for the crusader ship foundry, composing of the base model and 1 possible variant with the potential for more.

Based off of visual information the intrepid will come with a single s3 laser cannon (FL-33) and 2 missile chambers containing 2 marksman 1 missiles in the right chamber.

In terms of cargo based off of information we have the intrepid will have two small cargo elevators similar to the 300i series that can be accessed from the exterior, it's unkown if it can be acces from within the ship however. The current cargo size is estimated to be around 6-12 scu.

The ship is accessed through an unfolding step ladder on the left hand side. The interior consists of the single seater cockpit with a door separating it from the rest of the interior. a bedroom/living area on the laft as you walk in and the primary component storage space in the back. Unfortunately we have no footage of the rear space so we don't know what it looks like.

In terms of price the general consensus is that it'll be around 82-93$ US falling under the "premium" starter ships alongside the Titan, Syulen and the Nomad.

due to it's seemingly lackluster firepower it is likely the intrepid has some sort of feature or ability that makes up for it, with ideas such as scanners being brought up.

This is all the info we have so far, hopefully within the next week we'll get more concrete info.

[livid girder]

waiting for screenshot to be shared

[native forge]

Check #4-8-0-live

Since it's not leaks

[umbral tendon]

It's... um... yeah not sure if it'll grow on me or what.

[livid girder]

fair, just figured it would keep going in it's thread here hahab

[umbral tendon]

I bet the interior is nice though huffs copium and goes off to look at interior pics

[native forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306377931433447535/image.png?ex=673672c2&is=67352142&hm=7969549453b6972d871afb5fcf176cc1399ab42839671de306ca575db95b0933&

Closed Cargo Door: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306377271820419173/image.png?ex=67367224&is=673520a4&hm=b43fd19c5674d2c48eb0e16e9e95badf908fbd031985753d49a197ab3a44de73&

[umbral tendon]

is that.. a tiny table?

[native forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306377405757263962/image.png?ex=67367244&is=673520c4&hm=12fdd2b3630c196757c2979b29bd90e5c192626f08a8945c82fbf4706131783a&

Cargo Lift Door open inside: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306377364128661635/image.png?ex=6736723a&is=673520ba&hm=bf0f6012e2e2a12a3d61a152dd42aeeeb17967b4c9d17841a2a75ea06bc53071&

Shoilet, probably. No one's actually told me if it is: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886289761147437086/1306377741058183178/ScreenShot-2024-11-13_16-54-50-633.jpg?ex=67367294&is=67352114&hm=0043756ec66dad8445707ec4dda5c5688330f1c5ce85f6c35f4113912dd823e1&

8 SCU of Cargo Space: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306375649144995911/image.png?ex=673670a2&is=67351f22&hm=1d2f73030ea0b585e776f698a99352b4b3acee48c3cbe393088d36280486c32c&

1xS3 Gun: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886289761147437086/1306381331000983653/image.png?ex=673675ec&is=6735246c&hm=cbb3feba6f39ec2939da3f18b27d938b2ba52ce830bf474f3359875e9b80a2c0&

[umbral tendon]

1?! S3? wow

[native forge]

Cargo Door open inside, but not down: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306371306928738385/t3Tlk1z.png?ex=67366c96&is=67351b16&hm=15a987777e0f42b4a916b416d82e7067f2aaca38759fbabaefafa30e42d3fd1d&

[umbral tendon]

I mean we knew it would be 1 but why not 1 S4

[native forge]

Full interior tour: #star-citizen message

Weapons Racks

Suit Locker

Bed, Shoilet and internal inventory access (Top Left.)

[dark raven]

this thing can't be more than 70 bucks

[native forge]

Kitchenette and seating:

[deep laurel]

Thank you for the pics!

[stable pewter]

I really love the interior.

[magic totem]

Yes isn’t that amazing?

Interior is LOVE

[deep laurel]

Wonder.... will this thing fit in the 890 hangar

[stable pewter]

It does fit in the Polaris!

[native forge]

The Crusader Intrepid is the first Starter Ship with...

Every. Single. Amenity.

💠 300-Series: No Shower
💠 Nomad: No Shower
💠 Syulen: No Kitchenette
💠 Cutter: No Suit Locker (Rambler has one, but the Rambler's "kitchen" isn't really a kitchen)
💠 Avenger Titan: No Shoilet/Kitchen
💠 100-Series: No Shoilet/Kitchen/etc.
💠 Must.Beta: No Suit Locker/Gun Rack

It is literally a Hab, but a ship.

[stable pewter]

Yeah it's fascinating..

Altought the 300 series and Nomad should clearly have a shower, it's ridiculous they don't. xD

[native forge]

Definitely the nomad should, yeah.

[stable pewter]

Especially since you see a toothbrush on the nomad, on the toilet. But there is no sink on the toilet. :(

[native forge]

350r doesn't really need a shower (or toilet), since it's a racer.

[stable pewter]

But the others 300, especially the pathfinder/expedition variant..

And 300 is sold as having the comfort of a appartment in a ship..

But I could blame that on older ship design!

For Rambler I know the food maker is here but it's clearly no way near the amazing kitchen of the Intrepid. O_o

I am impressed.

[lunar garden]

Looks like it has about 8 scu of cargo

[stable pewter]

You can fit a Pulse in there!

[lunar garden]

Honestly if it had a bigger gun like a s4 or 5 it'd be perfect

[native forge]

They might make some variants. Such as a combat one with the cargo replaced with bigger guns.
Medical one with the elevators removed entirely for two Tier 3 Beds.
Explorer variant with one cargo grid/elevator removed, and replaced with a scanning Suite and data storage.

[stable pewter]

Could make sense..

[umbral tendon]

It'd be consistent with how they did the Cutter. The variants were not announced ahead of time either.

[stable pewter]

But yes, I really like this sship.

Some could call it ugly but it's a perfect starter!

[lunar garden]

Iirc the Teaser during citcon that showed off the intrepid show there being two on the IAE showroom floor so at the very least I'm hoping for a combat variant

Although a datarunning/scanner variant would be cool as well

[hasty canopy]

where one gets intrepid ?

renting ?

[lunar garden]

IAE showroom new babbage

It's only in the ptu as of rn

[hasty canopy]

yea rented one last night

it's kinda.... eh ?

8scu cargo is good for a starter i guess, but it's weird to have them split into 2 pods for some reason

1 s3 gun is a crime, should've been s4

[worthy sun]

Herald

[lunar garden]

with how specialised the herald is I wouldn't call it a starter ship

more like an advanced solo ship

[worthy sun]

what about 315p

[stark lance]

the medical one ... almost makes sense. The two lifts are basically stretcher-sized, the problem is that there isn't enough height under the ship to approach them right?

[native forge]

Not standing up, no.

[stark lance]

it's normal to have multiple showroom models of the same ship at IAE, particularly new ships

[vale aspen]

Size wise where does it sit amongst the starters?

Nomad is still the biggest right? Though I guess the Syulen is pretty big too even folded up

[native forge]

Internal space wise, I think the Intrepid wins out over all of the basic starters. Nomad probably has slightly less or the same space.

Nomad clearly wins if you don't mind not having a shower out of all of them.

And titan if you need combat and don't need a kitchen/shoilet.

[steep plinth]

Are there any other starters with just 1 gun? I get it's not a combat ship but at least give it 2 weapons. I think it'd look good if they were side by side. I don't think they'd have to change much to accommodate that.

[native forge]

No, none.

[stark lance]

The Nomad is also expensive enough that it's challenging to put it in the starter category. i.e.why is the Nomad a starter, but the Cutlass not?

[polar merlin]

Nomad was made for 1 person, cutlass designed for 2-3

[livid girder]

intrepid just become somewhat decent ?

[vale aspen]

Even at the S3 I think it had more DPS than a stock aurora mr right? Now it definitely does

[native forge]

Aurora MR had 4xS1 Gun slots. (2x were used.) The Mustang Alpha has 2xS2 (Nose Turret.) But can have 2xS1 more guns on top of that.

[native forge]

Slightly better now with the 1xS4. But it's still a bit behind in other starters.

[lunar garden]

Size wise its not as tall but is about the same width and length

[lunar garden]

I think people are forgetting it has a lot of things going for it. It's hull strength is on par if not a bit better than the cutter, which makes it overall more durable then the 300i and titan, it has massive fuel quantities and is very fast for its size and speed.

[native forge]

I was going to get it regardless of the 1xS3. Mainly because I'm not really a combat person. Plus, I like all of its full-featured amenities.

[lunar garden]

Same here, S4 just means I won't be running away when an Aurora pulls up on me

[formal timber]

I heard someone saying there where images of paints for the intrepid going around? Is there any validity to that?

[formal timber]

Oooooooooo

[native forge]

Note that these have the S3 gun on them, because they were made before the change.

[formal timber]

Yeah

[native forge]

The LTI Warbond package will probably have one of these.

[formal timber]

Some of those look like they have almost extra paneling detail on the roof

[void anchor]

Anyone has a picture of it with s4 guns?

[formal timber]

Should help break up the flatness of the top

[native forge]

There's been several in #star-citizen, with the Attrition. Just have to find them.

[formal timber]

Unlikely id imagine

Ohhhh I thought you meant the paints with s4

My bad

[native forge]

But yeah, nothing with paints. Since it's not out yet

[formal timber]

Hard to decide which one I like best

[formal timber]

That would be cool if it did

[void anchor]

Green or dark blue for me

[native forge]

Probably these ones, if I was forced to get them.

[sharp lodge]

the intrepid is really just an aries but smaller and interior

[formal timber]

I mean design wise it is

But functionality and performance wise, it's a completely different category

I WISH it was more like the ares in function

That size 4 ain't doing it though

I'm still happy with the size 4, but your not gonna be winning any fights against anything more dangerous than an aroura mr

[formal timber]

Yeah, agreed

Oop sorry if you got pinged for that, forgot I had message replies on ping by default 😅

[lunar garden]

really wish we would get a merdian type paint would look really nice

[vernal sundial]

could we rename this post to Crusader Intrepid - Release in 3.24.3 with IAE

[graceful geyser]

Crusader Intrepid - 3.24.3 Release

[native forge]

https://youtu.be/aOuT-Dfp5C4

[worthy sun]

i hate how good the interior is compared to my 315p lmao

or compared to Zeus tbf

[native forge]

Or any starter

[rose raptor]

Good trade off for the sorta wonky exterior

Which I also love

[vernal sundial]

Atleast my avenger can handle itself in combat and can carry a hoverquad

All my titan just needs now is a weapon rack and a suit locker

[native forge]

And a shoilet

[vernal sundial]

And a gold pass

And a medical variant

So it can get it's gold pass

[magic totem]

It’s still good for 1 person. 2-3 to maximize combat efficiency but you’re still gonna be good at basic combat, hauling and it’s in atmosphere transport is super nice ngl

[polar merlin]

The question was "why is the Cutlass not considered a starter ship?" - the answer was that it was designed for 2-3 people.

Starter ships are designed for 1 person.

[magic totem]

Yep that’s true and I agree

I think it can be a starter or considered one

Or like

“An intermediate ship”

[polar merlin]

You can buy a cutlass with a game package, but it isn't classified as a starter ship. Which is fine. The starter classification is pretty unnecessary overall since all it usually means is that it supports a single player and has some level of amenities and multiple roles (and usually an interior).

There are odd cases like the Mustang Alpha which has no interior, but does have a cargo area for storing boxes and the Reliant Kore which is a 2-seater and can actually give control of guns to the co-pilot, but doesn't come with any beds.

[vale aspen]

Most of us know that CIG ship role designations aren't the most consistent but I do see that a starter ship can generally do any kind of content and is designed around 1 player. At minimum they'll be potentially useful additions to any larger activity no matter what they are.

Things like the cutlass, Freelancer, Zeus, and spirit, 400i, are a size up from that and benefit from multi crewing while obviously still can be currently reasonably run solo. They're sometimes called medium sized multi role ships. I find cargo variants generally end up being this too.

Then multi role gets bigger to the Connie, Corsair, msr, 600i, starlancer size

And then even larger to Carrack, 890j.

And larger still to Polaris now.

You can argue that each of these ships have some pretty specialised features but at the end of the day, they can haul some stuff, transport people, and most of them, you can sleep in them.

[native forge]

The Polaris isn't a multi-role ship. The Devs have stated it's a Command Center / Rescue Ship. This is a reminder that the Cargo Grid won't just be able to snap cargo boxes, and is why the cargo area has a huge elevator up to the missile silo loading area.

[lunar garden]

I would also argue price range. After a solo ship goes above that $100 price tag it can't really be considered a starter ship.

I'd also not consider a reliant ship as a starter since it's not in a package and typically requires a second person to fully utilise it similar to the spirit series

[polar merlin]

The Reliant Kore is classified as a starter. There is zero function a 2nd person brings. All the weapons are pilot controlled until someone occupies the co-pilot seat which doesn't actually work properly either so you are worse off having a co-pilot at the moment

[lunar garden]

still I wouldn't put it in the starter category, it fits more along the line of ships like the spirit and cutlass

[polar merlin]

I mean, it's not you or me making the classifications. CIG classifies the Reliant Kore as a starter.

It's cheaper than a Nomad also, and they give you a 2nd starter (titan) as a loaner due to the Reliant bugs

[lunar garden]

fair enough, but by that logic the pisces is a snub since CiG classfies it as one

[polar merlin]

it was originally intended to be a snub for the Carrack. And specifically the C8, the C8X and C8R have different roles.

[lunar garden]

I know thats why I said you shouldn't take what CiG shows on their ship pages as bible, it's likely just a legacy from when the reliant was a starter package

[polar merlin]

Game Package != Starter Ship. You can buy game packages with constellations, carracks and such.

[lunar garden]

yes but the reliant was part of a starter package specifically

[void anchor]

ngl it's useless to debate about cig classification. It's not set in stone and has lot of weird stuff in it

[ocean copper]

So I hear the Intrepid isn’t selling so hot

[deep laurel]

Nice, more exotic for me

[chrome agate]

It is expensive for what it is.

[void anchor]

very. 50-60 would have been a fair price imo

especially since it's flight perf are worse than titan or reliant

[chrome agate]

Honestly discounted cutter starter pack is better deal right now.

[ocean copper]

I'll be honest in that I CCU'd one of my LTI tokens up to it

I refuse to buy this thing at full price

and I wouldn't have even done that much if I wasn't a ship collector with starter ships and i like the interior

[deep laurel]

It's a really nice ship, tbh. Apart from the quirky design, it's actually as all-rounded as you can get.

One thing I haven't heard it compared to yet: how does it stack up against the Syulen, which is also well-rounded?

I love the paints, also, they're all great.

[stable pewter]

In which scenario? :o

Intrepid is way easier to land but in speed/range/agility.. syulen totally outclass the Intrepid.

[deep laurel]

Well, cargo is similar, Intrepid I think carries 2 more...

[stable pewter]

Intrepid have more cargo yes!

[deep laurel]

Syulen has nearly all amenities, minus a kitchen I think?

It has a seat with a short table, not sure of that counts.

[stable pewter]

Exactly!

Well there is no foodmaker but the table is supposed to be that..

But they have suit locker, weapon rack, utility rack, bed, toilet, shower..

No engineering station but this was added after..

[deep laurel]

I think Syulen is like $10-15 more, which could just be attributed to an alien tax.

[stable pewter]

Yeah..

Syulen is like Nomad-range..

[deep laurel]

Yeah, all good points you're making

They're also both equally quirky

[stable pewter]

Syulen is also quite "big"..

Exactly!

[deep laurel]

I have to look at the Syulen armament, I don't remember what it has to compare to a single S4 and 2xS1 missiles

[stable pewter]

3x S3!

And a lot of missiles, a lot.

[deep laurel]

Oh, so that's comparable! I think the ratio was a 6x multiplier between sizes (i.e., 6xS3s have the same DPS as a S4). Correct me if I'm wrong, cuz I'm wrong a lot

[stable pewter]

Let me check taht..

[stable pewter]

The Intrepid have roughly half the DPS the Syulen, with one S4 being 1/5 S2.

Syulen have 12 S2 missiles!

But the rack are S4.

However syulen is considered as a S3... and Intrepid a S2 ship.

[ocean copper]

RIP Intrepid

[stable pewter]

Oh..

[hasty canopy]

how do we know which portion of it is intrepid related

[deep laurel]

Thank you, and happy you were able to correct my information at least I'm honest lmao

[stable pewter]

You are and I appreciate that! :)

That's just my pleasure to check if those infos can help you for choosing. 😁
(But I like the Intrepid too!)

[deep laurel]

More for me

[polar merlin]

I don't see how this ship is more "all around" than the titan, definitely worse than Nomad. To be a decent jack of all trades you should be reasonable in combat which 1x S4 isn't doing... all this ship does is a decent interior for people that like to RP in their ship but most starters seem to out perform this one.

[sleek pulsar]

Prolly close this conversation now eh?

[native forge]

No leak thread is closed on released.

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/e4gdca8b2k4.png

All of these can still be replied to.

[deep laurel]

Well, what is "decent" defined as? It's not meant to be the best.

[native forge]

It's considered Transport/Light Freight, not even a starter
https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7pjcp9edl7.png

You can upgrade it to the 325a (Origin's Titan equivalent), Syulen and Nomad if you so desire. The Nomad and Syulen both say "Starter" in their ship roles on the site

[deep laurel]

CIG says it is in their IAE show tho 😕

[vale aspen]

I have been finding that Crusader ships are usually not as good as its competition objectively.

So why get one? I think people like the aesthetic and theoretically they'll have nicer flight performance because that's their thing. Hopefully when control surfaces come through

The c1 is also in a weird place balance wise

Cutlass black has more firepower and a turret. Less cargo capacity.

Zeus CL is literally better in every way. Maybe poorer flight performance

[polar merlin]

This isn't actually true. The C1 has identical firepower to the cutlass save for missile payload. The Zeus has worse firepower than the C1 and the cargo area while larger SCU capacity has lower total space off grid so the C1 can technically haul a tad more if you're dealing in bigger boxes. I'm no spirit apologist just correcting misinformation

[native forge]

I ended up upgrading it to the Nomad. Not because of weapons/etc. But because of the ship's model collision and structuring isn't that great. The cargo elevator struts are really limiting, and your SCU Boxes are going to ram into them so much. In addition, while in the rear room of the Intrepid, if you look toward the door panel and tap F to try and open the door, it's more likely you'll accidentally use the engineering terminal.

The intrepid's cargo grids cannot take 4 SCU Boxes, so you can only take ones that are 2 SCU or lower.

You can take up to 9 SCU total, since the cargo tubes won't allow you to take an SCU Box out of them into the rear room

The 8 SCU on the grid, and one single SCU in the hallway. The doors inside cannot allow an SCU Box to pass through. I've tried so hard to get one through, it just won't happen.

[ocean copper]

To be fair the most in a cutter is 4 SCU

On the grid

So as far as starters go, it probably has more scu than any

[native forge]

And the cutter can only take 2x2SCU Boxes though. The 315p and Avenger can take 4 SCU Boxes.

[ocean copper]

Avenger is still the best starter lol

[native forge]

The Nomad, the most expensive starter of the bunch, can take the most, obviously. It can take any sized box up to 8 SCU containers

[ocean copper]

Yeah i guess the nomad now that starter ships have a wider spectrum than they used to

[native forge]

Avenger Titan's still the best for combat. It's more rugged than its luxury cousin, the 325a

[ocean copper]

Yeah Titan needs love and to be updated and modernized

[native forge]

Shoilet my beloved

[ocean copper]

Titan is one of the smaller starters now

Intrepid and cutter have the best interior uses of space

[native forge]

Nomad also needs its gold pass though.

[ocean copper]

I used to think of the nomad as in between a starter ship and a cutlass

But now its just a starter ship and the class has widened

[livid girder]

I.need.to actually fly my syulen so that I can say I djd and then get rid of having a starter ship 😏😂

[cyan axle]

I'd recommend keeping a Starter, with the recent news on the future of SC it looks like a really good idea to keep something like a starter so you always have a ship available as that seems to be the design goal

I really wish the Intrepid had been given some sort of special flavour though, I appreciate the full interior will appeal to a few people but it just doesn't seem like they gave it enough to stand out. I was really hoping it would have a fairly high top speed and perhaps some better armour/shields to give it better survivability but it seems like the range is it's only big advantage, not even any special sensors to support it

[void anchor]

just making a radar room or even a scan panel in the engineer room would have make it special

now it's just a big fancy mobile home

[livid girder]

not sure what you mean by this. but even if I want a starter ship, I'm not actually sure if th Syulen is the right choice

[steep plinth]

Idk how they compare but I loved the Legionnaire for combat. Could still do small box runs. Fun little ship when I first started out.

[void anchor]

Legionnaire is still a concept you must be mistaking on the name there

[steep plinth]

No it's for $40 on the pledge store.

I should of put Aurora LN that's my bad.

[void anchor]

this is legionnaire and it's 125usd

[steep plinth]

I'm just use to calling it the Legionnaire sounds cooler.

[steep plinth]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/rsi-aurora/Aurora-LN#buying-options

[void anchor]

yeah but since there is an actual ship called legionnaire it's confusing

[steep plinth]

Yeah thats why I put my bad

I forgot about that one

[steep plinth]

And technically so is the Aurora LN

[native forge]

As I said earlier, for me it isn't the lack of combat options/etc. Lot of people seem to be glossing over the fact the Intrepid has actual model/collision issues. Almost like it wasn't fully QA Tested for actual use.

[void anchor]

ngl you're the first I met in 5yrs that call an aurora legionnaire or any other "variant" names.
But anyway not really important as auroras are trash tbh

[steep plinth]

Yeah that's how I knew it back then. Trash might be a bit harsh but I'm also biased at least for just the LN fond memories and such. I will agree that there are better starter options that people can jump into when starting out.

[lunar garden]

I would say syulen and intrepid are two sides of the same coin, intrepid is better for cargo and long hauls with it's hull strength, scu capacity, fuel capacity and quantum speed. However syulen is better in regards to it's dps, maneuverability and speed.

[livid girder]

I bought syulen because of rule of cool. extra points over the Intrepid.For that 😛

[native forge]

If you were buying a game package, you could've bought the Intrepid LTI Warbond Game Package, then upgrade it to the Syulen

[livid girder]

I got my Syulen last IAE

[worthy sun]

Syulen pack on Halloween was a steal.
Game package + syulen + paint for 56 I think?
It said 20 % off, but realistically it was more like 35 %

[livid girder]

I'm.Not overly worried about having paid 70. I can't even recall if I used credits.

I'm.Not even sure it's a ship I'll keep.

not sure I really needs a stater ship for anything

[worthy sun]

Yeah I mean I told my friend if he wants to get in the game now to buy that pack and just upgrade to nomad for 10 more

[livid girder]

I honestly onl own it for rule of cool.

same reason I had been looking at a railen

So 15$ new money I spent on it

I need to fly it and actually see if I like it

[lunar garden]

with how things are turning out in terms of multi-crewing and other mechanics it seems like it'll be important to have a decent all rounder solo ship

[livid girder]

That is fair, but that doesnt mean "starter"

I am thinking I'll be grabbing a Zeus ES for example

[stable pewter]

I wonder too how important the engineering station will be in comparison to another all-rounder ship (like the Rambler) but that is without a station.

[lunar garden]

I don't imagine it will be all that necessary, rather it's there to act as a 'tutorial' of sorts for new players to familiarise themselves with the mechanic before moving on to larger ships

[deep laurel]

Not a leak, but to those who are interested in the Intrepid that hang out in here...

Intrepid owners, existing and new purchases for the duration of its promotion, will receive a complimentary Nocturne Paint. Existing owners shall receive it "in the coming days".

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/20312-Crusader-Intrepid-Nocturne?fbclid=IwY2xjawG1qg9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYKxjdVrs9HO5XXWPzan-GBfIV9XQ_rK1qDAXKs9fJp7ylslve137zgU1g_aem_We8w08AI7SGtT7tRu8Vdfg

[formal timber]

oh i just came here to post a bug report about the paint on my intrepid being messed up 😭

[stable pewter]

I really like this paint!