Mirai Guardian - 4.0 Release

[placid abyss]

Mirai Guardian - Release patch not yet announced

[sturdy yew]

it has a interior?

[honest sentinel]

sounds pretty powerful

[azure plinth]

edging to this

[hybrid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-robot-gif-9226335

[tiny salmon]

GIB BIG TIE FIGHTER

[placid blade]

I'd love a new heavy fighter tbh

[limber agate]

Solo Vanguard alternative. My Beloved.

[limber agate]

This isn't a standard "Heavy Fighter." This one is meant to fly solo/on its own away from a fleet for long periods of time. Unlike other Heavy Fighters like the F8. Vanguard is the same as this upcoming fighter.

This is why this one is called a "Long Distance" fighter by some of CIG.

[void roost]

Patrol ship maybe, not a fighter but something larger, more heavily armed but not quite a gunship

[placid blade]

So a patrol fighter.

Irl patrol fighters are huge tbh

[limber agate]

Since Kenny decided to nuke all of their opening posts. I'm reposting these.

MIRAI Guardian

Size(LxWxH): 24.3x16.3x9.1
Crew 1x

System Components
PowerPlant 2x S1 Overdrive
Cooler 1x S2 Arctic
Shield 1x S2 Fullstop
QD 1x S2 Crossfield
JM 1x S2 C_Explorer
Lifesupport 1x S1 

QT fuel
2 tanks of 2500 = 5000 total

Weapons
2x S5 M7A

Missiles
4 s4 racks, 2 s3 missiles each
8 s3 total

Handling
213scm, 1225nav
37.5°/s pitch, 37.5°/s yaw, 130°/s roll

suit lockers, bed were found => ergo got an interior
access to that directly via cockpit ladder and also elevator

[placid blade]

I hope the missile racks are replacable and not integrated

[tiny salmon]

GIVE IT CIG

[limber agate]

In case you're wondering a size comparison. The Hurricane is the closest size comparison to the Guardian. Basically the Guardian foregoes a turret to have an interior.

[tiny salmon]

perfect

[limber agate]

For exact comparison, @drifting spindle said it here: #1295091737584209920 message

[tiny salmon]

that means it can replace my F7C as my liberator based fighter 👀

[placid blade]

Do ee know what kinds of guns it'll have?

I hope for atleast 2 size 4's

[drifting spindle]

2 s5

literally on the text above the picture

[placid blade]

Ah. Was expecting a bigger count of guns tbh.

8 size 3 missiles is decent.

Two size 5 hard points is very nice for a heavy fighter.

I hope we can change the missile racks out. It'd be fun to have an actually useful rattler spammer

[limber agate]

Just as a reminder, the Mirai Guardian is like, half the size of the Vanguard

It's close to the Hurricane in size.

[placid blade]

It certainly doesn't look the part

[limber agate]

The only reason the Hurricane has no interior, is because it has a turret

[placid blade]

Still a heavy fighter isn't it?

[limber agate]

And yes, the Hurricane is also a Heavy Fighter, same with the Guardian.

[placid blade]

Amazing

[limber agate]

The Guardian has a cockpit ladder and an elevator for the interior access.

[drifting spindle]

guardian is gonna be awesome

[placid blade]

thank god

[limber agate]

I just want to see what the Mirai interior is like, since this will be the first Mirai ship with one, and thus they need to make a design style for the company. I know it's going to be a very small interior, but it still is an interior.

[placid blade]

imagine.

pull out bed

pull out table.

[limber agate]

I just want a shoilet Since the Vanguard has one.

[placid blade]

the entire walking space is a shoilet

I think it'll be similar to the Mustang (the one that has an interior)

[drifting spindle]

im just happy to have a heavy fighter with interior that is not a vanguard

[placid blade]

same

[hollow dock]

And it would smaller than the vanguard right? At least with vanguard wings extended?

[limber agate]

It's around the size of the Hurricane

The Guardian has no turret, so it can afford an interior.

The balance to that is to give it an extra size 5 gun.

[hollow dock]

I think that makes it pretty compelling. Going to guess there wouldn't really be a need for more crew members then

[honest sentinel]

how does it compare to other heavy fighters?

in terms of firewpower, 2x S5 seems pretty strong

not having a turret is only a downside if you could have 2 people in it

[honest sentinel]

turrent obviously better even if it's a little less firepower

[limber agate]

In comparison to the Hurricane, the Guardian has 2x the missile size, since it has 4xS4 Missile Racks (2xS3 missiles in each.) Which makes its missile payload on par with the Warden/Sentinel. However, the Vanguards have two of its missile racks locked to 4xS2 missiles, the Guardian doesn't.

It has higher missile payload than the F7C, F8C and F7C MkII. With the F7s having 4xS2 like the Hurricane, and the F8s having 2xS4.

Basically, they balanced it to be, in a sense, the Buccaneer of the Vanguard-class: Small, Squishy but on par.

The Buccaneer can be outfitted to be similar to the F7C (if you use the Buccaneer Spinal), but is more nimble and squishier.

But that's why the default guns on the Buccaneer are 1xS4, 2xS1 and 2xS3

If they wanted, they could add a "Guardian Spinal" option to each of those gun hardpoints and give the Guardian 2xS2 in each, for a total of 4xS2

Really depends on what they plan to do for Variants, if they decide to have variants. Like an Interdiction/EMP one.

Or, better yet, have a datarunner variant that replaces the suit locker with a server rack. Herald 2.0

[honest sentinel]

herald with guns

also guardian isn't "just rocket"

[cold socket]

It juuust beats the F8 in agility and speeds.
But it's got a single S2 shield.
I guess it'll have less armor as well?

[limber agate]

Like the Vanguard Sentinel against the other Vanguards, the Guardian will probably have its lower mass contribute to its maneuverability. Since Acceleration is a big thing.

[placid blade]

I hope they don't do that

[limber agate]

The Guardian being around the size of a Buccaneer means that it will be under 80k in mass probably, which is lower than the F8's 150+k mass

[cold socket]

Yeah. It makes sense to me.
Only thing that surprises me is the 2 S5. Always thought it would have a 4xSomething in line with the Fury

[limber agate]

Like I said above, they could add a Spinal Attachment that could convert them into 2xS2 or something each.

But I doubt they will.

[cold socket]

Bigger = Better

[limber agate]

When it comes to nimble ships, having two size 5s is big.

Throw laser cannons on them and just actually hit things for big damage

[placid blade]

I hope it's a spinal to 2xs3

Since it's a size 5 hardpoint

It'll be a more nimble prowler in terms of offense minus the two size 3's on the prowler

[limber agate]

Prowler also has no missiles

And the Guardian has one less S2 shield

[placid blade]

So it hss 3 size 2 shields?

[limber agate]

The Guardian has one S2 Shield

[placid blade]

Dang

[gaunt ruin]

a S2 shield for the size of the ship is fine. Two S5 guns is no joke if you can reliably apply the damage. If it has all the amenities of a Vanguard, then I'm down.

[limber agate]

That's why I'm hoping it has a Shoilet. It has a Suit Locker and bed that we know of.

[placid blade]

I'd like just enough internal space to put a few boxes

[limber agate]

Well, it has an elevator to access the internal space.

[placid blade]

That doesn't mean it can fit boxes

[gaunt ruin]

I would not expect it to have a grid at that size

[placid blade]

Not really a grid. Just enough space to put a box

[hollow dock]

I think you can jam a 2scu box into a vanguard but even being able to put a 1 scu into the guardian would be nice

[limber agate]

@quaint kettle LxWxH: 24.3x16.3x9.1

it's like half the size of a vanguard: #1292191014077071451 message

[quaint kettle]

holy moly

F8C might be going

F8C does what my F7A could do

and doesn't do what I want it to do

I can't fit it in any of my ships unless I got a Polaris or Idris

so I need one that can be independent

[quaint kettle]

atleast I don't think it fits on my liberator

idk tho

I know F7A does

but if the guardian can land on my liberator and be independent

I'm shocked there isn't a folding out tiny remote turret on the back where a ramp would go normally, or on top where that black attachment rack looking thing is

especially when it looks so big and has 2 people in the screenshot

I always hoped it was 2 peeps

I guess maybe you'd want an engineer on it tho

?

depends if there's a console or smth inside

the components might be outside

like fury

[tiny salmon]

if it’s the size of a hurricane it will

[quaint kettle]

talking about F8C doesn't

[gaunt ruin]

I am happy that it seems to be a solo boat

[crystal wedge]

same

[placid blade]

It'd be cool if it hat room for 2 people since it's a patrol ship, so pilots tanking turns would be good

[quaint kettle]

yeah, if components are inside you can do engineering

[placid blade]

Would help in the case of component death

[limber agate]

@pseudo onyx Check this thread out.

[honest sentinel]

I mean it does. One in bed, the other flying

[placid blade]

Yes.

[tiny salmon]

or hear me out the bed empty and me alone in my cool new fat fury

[placid blade]

The bed should be filled with plushies

[tiny salmon]

this is acceptable

I like to put plushies on my dash when I can the hercs are good for it 😂

[placid blade]

It may have the freelancer type of turrets

Where it's a size 5 mount with 2 size 3 guns

[hallow dune]

Food for thought: fat fury was mentioned for iae and next 12 months due to one being fighter one being QD?

[limber agate]

Maybe

[hallow dune]

Any leaks on if the qd is planned to be like mantis or just a dampener?

[tiny salmon]

so ones coming IAE and another later with QD?

[burnt sandal]

I would say no - there was a segment during day 2 where they showed polaris and intrepid and (terrapin medevac) inside rhe convention center but i didnt notice guardian being there

We're 1 month away from iae if it was ready for the show we could have seen it i think

[azure plinth]

john crewe literally said that the gardian comes out at iae. there will be the guardian qi wich is a qed version, that one could come later tho

[crystal wedge]

When did he say that?

[azure plinth]

CitCon

[river rivet]

no he said "by end of year" as they have several patches coming up. The only real mention of IAE was for Starlancer MAX

2:40:09

[placid blade]

Why's the legionar there?

[limber agate]

Considering the Intrepid was shown in the flyby inside IAE, it's coming at IAE too, but yeah, nothing for the Guardian.

[limber agate]

The name is black, meaning it's not coming this year

[river rivet]

Yeah I agree.

[shadow forge]

We should see Guardian, Intrepid, and probably medical terrapin at IAE

[gaunt ruin]

And Starlancer MAX should be flyable

[shadow forge]

Yep with Starlancer TAC coming likely for Invictus

[placid blade]

I hope

I'd also like a reason as to why misc's now able to make a co.bat ship all of a sudden

[crystal wedge]

misc has always been allowed to make combat ships, see the Reliant Tana and Freelancer MIS, both fully combat dedicated ships. They just cant make a ship whos base version is supposed to be for combat. Its kind of a loophole in their contract, and anything else they just make Mirai produce

[river rivet]

yep next MISC related Combat variant - "The MIrai Loophole" calling it here

(though that's sort of the Guardian, so maybe I am late...)

[limber agate]

The Guardian is pretty much that, yes. The base variant is equivalent to the Vanguard Warden, but the size of a Hurricane.

[placid blade]

I hope it's got 2 size 5's instead of a twin linked turret

[placid blade]

I thought it was IAE?

[limber agate]

We didn't see it in the flythrough of the IAE stuff. Just the Medical Terrapin and the Intrepid; and obviously the Polaris.

[placid blade]

Ah

[limber agate]

In case you wanted to see said fly-through: https://youtube.com/watch/WLLLtaM0Jf0?t=2h40m38s (2:40:38)

[placid blade]

OH WAIT I COMPLETELY MISSED THAT PART. :O a medical terrapin :O

[rose linden]

the Guardian is one of the few ships that I think could get me to make fleet changes

[mystic current]

They've had the MIS for a while, no?

[limber agate]

MIS is a variant, not a base model.

[cold socket]

So... Guardian is said to be coming with IAE.
Which means that the new teaser lineup is much likely a third Mirai thing? It looks bulky

[gaunt ruin]

It's a Guardian variant. The Qi.

[rose linden]

Are we sure about that though? The profile seems weird to me to just be changing to a quantum damper

unless the QB come from the wings itself, maybe that makes sense

[limber agate]

Would make sense if they wanted to keep the interior

[cold socket]

A variant would make sense, but idk. That thing looks so beefy

[spare obsidian]

Might be that wings have shifted for landing? IDK.

[hallow dune]

any updates on Guardian?

[limber agate]

Nope

[placid blade]

19 days til guardian thoe

[limber agate]

It's extremely unlikely we'll get it at IAE. Maybe a December Release.

[placid blade]

:(

[crystal wedge]

I thought they said guardian at IAE during cit con

[limber agate]

They only promised that everything but the Legionnaire would be coming this year.

Then they rolled the IAE flythrough, which didn't have the Guardian in it.

[gaunt ruin]

My gut says they put out the Starlancer MAX, Medipin, and Polaris at IAE as STF. Also at IAE will likely be another subcap showstopper. To keep the cash flowing, they may hold the Guardian to just after IAE in December.

[limber agate]

And Intrepid too, don't forget that being likely STF at IAE

Polaris is just plain becoming flyable, not STF. After all, it's been in concept for a long time.

[gaunt ruin]

True

[placid blade]

Hope it comes IAE or i'm gonna riot

[rugged egret]

they had a slow year with funding. don't underestimate them. if they said its coming, its coming

this time.

this time its ok to believe. lol

[quaint kettle]

better be concept guardian atleast

[quaint kettle]

theyve raised more than last year already???

atls blew their sales up

[rugged egret]

Numerous content creators have talked about this. Funding is down from last year. Look it up. Funding is trending down.

[quaint kettle]

they had the best may of all time (invictus), IAE hasnt even happened yet they will definetly be above last year

they wouldve been well on track but they only marketed the starlancer at citcon

compared to the zeus wasnt a very community loved ship

and the base building BLD/galaxy drama messed them up too

they are 5% down from last year and their biggest sales event hasnt happened yet

every year we have the same talks about funding being down from the last

obviously - the year isnt over yet

[limber agate]

Hopefully, yes.

[rugged egret]

Well I'm not gonna argue. I'm not really sure what your point is here because you just basically agreed with my initial statement. They're down 3m. Yes iae hasn't happened. They have allot of catch up to do. So back to my comment. Makes sense that the guardian would be there because they need the money.

[quaint kettle]

they don't really need it tho do they

[limber agate]

They also rent out their motion capture studio btw. So they have a secondary source of income.

[rose linden]

plus investors from SQ42

[placid blade]

I can't wait

it has an enterior and 2 size 5 guns

it's going to be a beast

[open vector]

hope it has a gun rack inside

if it does im sold on it

[limber agate]

We know it has a Suit Locker.

[placid blade]

:o

[limber agate]

#1292191014077071451 message

Bed + Suit Locker

Reminder, it's losing a turret (in comparison to the hurricane) for an interior

[placid blade]

It certainly doesn't need one if it's goijngto be able to whip around like a fury

[rose linden]

I don't think it's supposed to be quite that maneuverable , is it?

[limber agate]

Here's comparing to its closest competitor (in role), the Vanguard.

It's slightly more sluggish, but not much. It is far faster in nav speed though.

[placid blade]

Dang wth

[rose linden]

I mean it's still classified as a heavy

and it's not the smallest ship

[gaunt ruin]

This issue is the lack of new pledges.

Or, new citizens I should say

[shadow forge]

Just remember that there was a steep drop off after 2016 as well. You can identify a directly correlative marketing push in each year there were substantial increases in new backers. The sandworm of 2016, the Covid marketing for 3.0 patched like Orison and Loreville, etc… 2020-2023 were a series of lies regarding the impending Pyro release

But that finally caught up to CIG in 2024, ironically now that we are literally about to get some form of Pyro

[limber agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295091737584209920/1307873531379454012/image.png?ex=673be3a4&is=673a9224&hm=3468e07dd07eeb585e04828dccd0ab98bd1b919cfc987276466b4d4be2a971d0&

[hallow dune]

Feel like it's gunna be bad unless somehow those specs have it maneuver devently

[orchid rock]

Pyro without the flares is just Stanton without safe zones

[quaint kettle]

bro one s5 is so buns

[wintry scarab]

Only 1 one size 5? That the fuck

[orchid rock]

Yes that is

[limber agate]

It's because the other gun slot has the QED, likely attached sideways. Since as a reminder, the Guardian is Hurricane sized. They don't have much space for these things if they want to keep the internal space.

[hallow dune]

Feel like the insides will be like mustang beta

[limber agate]

Kinda sorta. The insides have its own entry. There's an elevator apparently.

[hallow dune]

Wait...like you gotta leave ship to get in pilot seat?

[limber agate]

I don't think so :V

I think it's just there in case you don't want to use the pilot seat. Or if you need to EVA without opening the cockpit.

[limber agate]

@distant gate Since you apparently don't know this thread exists. As it has the vanilla specs here.

[limber agate]

@delicate stag ...in the leaks thread.

[limber agate]

@agile saffron

[quaint kettle]

looks like its not a snare

[crystal wedge]

Bullshit!

I’m tired of only have one snare option

[quaint kettle]

mantis would become useless tho

[small fjord]

at some point there has to be a larger snare lol

if the tech fits on a mantis, it should fit on other things

[quaint kettle]

does MR have snare? i cant remember if they specified

or was it emp and dampener

maybe it was snare and dampener and emp

[small fjord]

i thought it was just dampener but I could be wrong

[quaint kettle]

i think it is

[crystal wedge]

Dampener only

And emp

[quaint kettle]

yeah still good tho

[crystal wedge]

Eh, if it’s pilot dps didn’t suck and the ship was more mobile. I don’t think it has the mobility for a bounty ship, unless it’s hunting miners and salvagers who broke the law

[quaint kettle]

true

maybe the guns will help

turrets i mean

[agile saffron]

ty

[limber agate]

You're even in this thread, @delicate stag, please read the message I'm mentioning.

suit lockers, bed were found => ergo got an interior
access to that directly via cockpit ladder and also elevator

[open vector]

I want to see it alreadyyyyyy

[languid blade]

there u can see it abit

[grizzled frigate]

Looks pretty darn close to that initial conceptual image in whole last year!

Where my wallet at 😈

[open vector]

Think we will see a concept sale for gaurdian on the Mirai sale day?

[crystal wedge]

I am still praying for a surprise STF

[open vector]

I'm fine with either one lol I just like the idea of having more fighters with interiors not sure how powerful 2 size 5 guns will be

[rose linden]

well, the only real thing to sell it is IAE or with the Pyro live launch . not sure it makes sense to tie it to save Staton

feels logical to just sell it now

[burnt sandal]

it's ingame already, why would it be in concept state still ?

i think it'll be on sale directly

along with fortuna from misc

[soft salmon]

The guardian is supposed to be finished by the end of the year anyways, so it makes sense we will get it flyable

[gaunt ruin]

I hope we see it tomorrow. I think we may not get it till December tho.

[gaunt ruin]

The thing to keep in mind is power. The Guardian will have 2 S1 power generators. That is about 50% more power than a Warden's 1 S2. So. the Guardian will be swimming in power. So, even though it has fewer theoretical dps or shields, it may have similar or more effective numbers.

[open vector]

I love the fury design so I'm excited to see how it looks inside and out

[nocturne oasis]

Iirc it was posted somewhere a few months ago that we'd be getting the intrepid, polaris, paladin, guardian and fortune this IAE although that could've changed at some point

[soft salmon]

What is the fortune?

[limber agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1309988837866340453/IMG-20241123-WA0000.jpg?ex=674395ad&is=6742442d&hm=527c01c45910394a7706a04a81ad25ca7ee8da8301251d710e55006b862b5e28&

Instead of ore bags, it has cargo lifts. It's the MISC competitor to the Vulture.

[soft salmon]

Ohhh

[quaint kettle]

at citizen con they said it’s targeted for december

i don’t think they could get it out on time

[surreal summit]

will Guardian be STF?

[limber agate]

We don't know if the Guardian will come out today, nor the fortune.

We'll know in 6 hours.

[nocturne oasis]

I would be somewhat confident on the guardian seeing as it's been teased being there tomorrow, as for the fortune it's anyone's guess

[limber agate]

I remember when we got a sneak peek image of the STY. It didn't come out for months after.

[quaint kettle]

OH ITS TODAY?

bettt

[limber agate]

We'll see in 5 hours... and 1 minute.

[quaint kettle]

ngl i forgot the schedule except aegis and RSI day

[surreal summit]

yep MISC day

[quaint kettle]

most important to me

and BIS

cuz it’s usually last day

28-30th

or whatever

[crystal wedge]

As much as I want the guardian I kind of want it to release alongside the Galaxy, for the memes

[nocturne oasis]

I like to think the guardian will fit inside the odyssey landing pad so it'll just make it a big starlancer tac

[crystal wedge]

I just wish the odyssey had pilot controlled weapons

[nocturne oasis]

that is true, but then it would invalidate the carrack so gotta have some balance. Also I can't remember but is the mining module pilot controlled or is it done separately

[crystal wedge]

The carrack invalidates the carrack, stinky ship. Mining is done separately I’m pretty sure, and it’s only for quantum for its own fuel tank, can’t stack boxes or anything

[nocturne oasis]

yeah not a fan of the carrack either, hoping to see a crusader ship join the babies first "capital" lineup alongside the carrack, galaxy, odyssey and 890

[crystal wedge]

A crusader cap would be sweeeet. Galaxy not cap tho

[nocturne oasis]

none of them are capitals, I mean more in the sense that you would use one of those ships before jumping into a capital sized ship.

along the ship progression line

so you would use one of those ships to get used to flying around larger vessels with a bigger crew size

[crystal wedge]

Carrack odyssey and 890 are all considered capital

[nocturne oasis]

not anymore, originally they were but they got reduced to large, albeit being the largest of the large category

[crystal wedge]

No? Odyssey and 890 are most certainly still capital. Carrack hasn’t been officially made capital but as it’s going to use capital components it will be made one

[nocturne oasis]

thats true got my wires crossed I just remember carrack wasn't considered capital and misremembered since they are all roughly the same size

[open vector]

Do new ships get concierge paints or is that just for certain ships?

[limber agate]

Concierge Paints are available to Concierge on Original concept sales

[open vector]

ah ok

[nocturne oasis]

you'll have a few seconds

[surreal summit]

thanks but wrong topic

[grizzled frigate]

In reference to the citcon teasers, we also got sneaked a Terrapin model... which subsequently got revealed before IAE and is selling on Anvil day. So it's not TOO radical to think either the Guardian or Fortune would also not be STF just the same, at the very least concept sale.

Unless it's a third Terrapin variant that's being worked on... I presume it was the Medic tho

[open vector]

we haven't seen anything for fortune though right? we would probably see a image or something by now no?

[grizzled frigate]

Nothing except for the citcon teaser, presuming that was it.

[nocturne oasis]

hard to say since it seems to be almost identical to the prospector

[open vector]

rip

[shadow forge]

Lmao

[soft salmon]

Fat rip

[grizzled frigate]

Dam lol

[soft salmon]

The video showed it off too

[grizzled frigate]

General chat has some pics popping up

[soft salmon]

Yes, it shows it flying lol

The Mirai G-spot. Teasing the verse for an entire year

[nocturne oasis]

literally blue-balled us

[quaint kettle]

video?

[soft salmon]

Not even blue balled. Just crushed them

[soft salmon]

Beginning of IAE episode 2

[quaint kettle]

ooooh

is it for sale or nah

[soft salmon]

Nope…

Like why even show us

[soft salmon]

Whyyyyyy

[rose linden]

4.0 confirmed?

[soft salmon]

We have to wait until the end of the year?!

[quaint kettle]

we been knowing this

why everyone acting surprised

december

was always the rumours

not iae

[rose linden]

I mean, just felt like this was the right time for it

instead of "whatever day seems to work best for a 4.0 launch"

[quaint kettle]

nah nobody wants it to end up with the polaris 2

released without a full interior

[young bobcat]

so where is the guardian?

[quaint kettle]

even if it’s basically done

and if they drop it in december they can bridge the funding gap

and also charge us more money than a concept!

makes sense for them

[quaint kettle]

still december, as it always was

you just got edged by chris

[soft salmon]

They teased us with a video of it!

How dare they

I’m still going to buy it because I’m so mad at CIG

[quaint kettle]

QI is gonna be so peak

who knows if that will come at the same time tho

[soft salmon]

They will probably give us that weird drake ship as a concept sale

[rose linden]

I mean, honestly, I like the design of the Gaurdian, and I could use an actual combat ship that isnt the Ares

something that can do some dogfighting

[quaint kettle]

look elsewhere

[soft salmon]

Ares is only good for pve unfortunately

[crystal wedge]

I don’t see the guardian as a dog fighter personally

[rose linden]

Why do you say that?

[quaint kettle]

we’ve seen its roll/pitch/yaw already

and it’s got 2 size 5s

and one shield

even the F8 has two

[crystal wedge]

It’s more for anti Connie sized ships

[quaint kettle]

yeah

[rose linden]

if not a Garudian, idk what I'd own for dogfigthting then. Maybe go back to the Sabre?

loved that shop

[soft salmon]

F7

[crystal wedge]

F7 mk2

[quaint kettle]

it’s a vanguard competitor but 1 man and hurricane size - or so it was rumoured but that vid made it look a bit bigger to maybe vanguard size too

[rose linden]

I hate the hornets

and will never.own one

[quaint kettle]

why?

[rose linden]

I don't like them.

[quaint kettle]

they sexy asf, the best and have a cool name

[rose linden]

hate the design

[quaint kettle]

perfect ship fr

[soft salmon]

The design isn’t my favorite, but you can’t argue with the stats

[crystal wedge]

Hmm then maybe something alien? Khartu Al is fun, but very high skill required to get good with it

[quaint kettle]

anything but STY

[rose linden]

I actually had owned one of those at some point.

[quaint kettle]

talon i heard is okay

[crystal wedge]

Justice for sty

[quaint kettle]

but 2 size 4s is its entire armament

vs hornet with 4 size 3s as well 😭💀

[rose linden]

what's wrong with the Sabre?

[crystal wedge]

It loses a lot of stuff for stealth

[quaint kettle]

it’s stealth so it’s alright but it’s other stats not so good

[rose linden]

I mean honestly, I should probably avoid dogfighting anyway

[quaint kettle]

why?

[soft salmon]

Might as well use the hornet ghost lol

[quaint kettle]

yeah

[rose linden]

I have a Defender currently. but I just can't stand the SINGE. require too much accuracy

[quaint kettle]

literally

[soft salmon]

I want them to give us more vanduul ships to play with. The redesigns are sexy

[crystal wedge]

Defender isn’t bespoke is it? Just change the gun?

[rose linden]

I just don't think I'll be a great combat pilot..although now that speed is way slow, might be able to grasp it more

[rose linden]

yea, I can do that. I tried a bit in arena commander, it's just hard only Having 15 shots.

in the default power plant

I'm also not sure it's a great dogfight et

[crystal wedge]

Defender used to be a god in atmo but I believe it was nerfed into the dirt

[soft salmon]

Can’t wait for the BMM and its big guns

[rose linden]

sounds like maybe the guardian doesn't acrually make sens for.me then. I don't need another "large ship fighter "

[soft salmon]

Might be decent to have in a Polaris if you don’t want a hornet maybe

[rose linden]

don't have one of those either 😛

[soft salmon]

Time to get one

[rose linden]

I've.Thought about the Scorpius as an option of ships I wouldn't mind owning

[rose linden]

Honestly I don't think I'd hate owning an F8

alas I don't have that option

[quaint kettle]

it was

[quaint kettle]

you’ll be fine just give it a go

[quaint kettle]

the F8 is not something you’re missing out on

[river rivet]

Gotta wonder if they're not quite confident even in a 4.0 release, because if they were, you'd think they would do something similar like they did with Starlancer and give us a pre-sale.

[quaint kettle]

don’t like mine, glad i got it tho

i knew the LTI f8c would be a huge desirable at some point

F7A is so much better i usually just give the F8 to my friend cuz he loves it

not really sure why it’s so mid lol

[rose linden]

well.The problem is that hornet is off the table for something I want to own. so that kinda limits my dogfighting ship options

which is why I was saying about a Sabre, becuase it's one of my favorite ships

[quaint kettle]

gladius is decent

[rose linden]

I just feel like I want to be in something a tad beefier

[open vector]

What are we guessing on price for this thing

[wintry scarab]

330

My guess

[open vector]

yea mines is around that high 200's low 300's

[limber agate]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-played-way-to-go-gif-20642385

[limber agate]

I forgot to tell @floral coral to change this thread's name to say 4.0 Release https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1316505950991024140/image.png?ex=675b4b36&is=6759f9b6&hm=73e389e30ac5d09fb83012bac072f0538a8c24b53e3334a082e3d4791fbcfe10&

[open vector]

I just want to see the inside already

[quaint kettle]

WHERE QI THO

[burnt sandal]

interior will come later like captain quarters in polaris

[iron blade]

Curious why a heavy fighter would have interdiction, realistically i would think a medium or small to keep pace.

[gaunt ruin]

To interdict bigger things

[floral coral]

Mirai Guardian - Pending 4.0 Release

[crystal wedge]

I mean look at the Zeus mr

[iron blade]

cant yet lol

Its also not a heavy fighter. Just like the Mantis isnt a fighter they are weak and helpless alone.

[modern obsidian]

I think the point was that it has the turn rates and lack of agility of a heavy

[quaint kettle]

hornet interdiction model 🔥

i think it’s cuz a heavy just has more range

.-==hkooetvgfz@

mb my kitty walked over keyboard

[surreal summit]

so what is latest price estimates for Guardian?

[open vector]

220-275 for me something in that range

[orchid rock]

can we change the name of this post to Mirai Guardian - 4.0 Release? @floral coral

[floral coral]

sure

Mirai Guardian - 4.0 Release

[cedar mulch]

we got a tie interceptor in star citizen now

[rose linden]

VISIBILITY HONESTLY ISNT AS BAD AS i EXPECTED.

[orchid rock]

caps

[rose linden]

Yea.....

I am at work 🤣

[crimson current]

has there been any evidence of an interior or have people just convinced themselves that there will be one?

[orchid rock]

no and yes

[crimson current]

yeah sounds about right

i mean would be nice but i doubt there will be one

some drop down cargo space would be nice though

[orchid rock]

why? it's a fighter not a hauler

[wintry scarab]

So does it have a interior?

[orchid rock]

we don't know. Just don't expect one.

[wintry scarab]

🙏

[crimson current]

dont need a lot of cargo, just a few scu would be a nice surprise

something like the mustang

seems more reasonable than a whole interior

[open vector]

[surreal summit]

no interior so no pool table i aint buying it

[crimson current]

yea the polaris is the only viable solo fighter

if it aint got a pool table whats the point

[surreal summit]

😁

[gaunt ruin]

Ship is power starved

[floral coral]

It definitely has some form of interior, the glass bubble doesn't open which indicates the player needs to enter or exit some other way

[grizzled frigate]

Granted, it takes a billion pips for its QT drive it looks like.

[modern obsidian]

Fighter with a pool table when

[limber agate]

Pool balls as ammo

[buoyant sierra]

Anyone want to take a guess on colors for guardian concierge paint??

[gaunt ruin]

Gold and black, man.

[buoyant sierra]

I could only hope

[remote robin]

Is it in 4.0!?!

[orchid rock]

soon

[buoyant sierra]

that’s from the isc

[quaint kettle]

all black or all white, maybe a black and white combo

[tardy crater]

is there picture of gardian butthole upclose? maybe it has a ramp in the rear for interior?

[limber agate]

Datamines said the interior is accessed via an elevator

[tardy crater]

I just don't see any clearance underneath for an elevator

[limber agate]

Who said elevators had to be vertical? Why can't they be diagonal like the railen's internal one?

[rugged egret]

The guardian butthole. Love it.

[crystal wedge]

Still no interior yet?

[plush knot]

The fuselage is huge. I'm guessing 100% chance there's an interior.

[modest summit]

Heavy fighter with interior is interesting

[limber agate]

Vanguards are considered Heavy Fighters: https://starcitizen.tools/Vanguard_Warden

The Mirai Guardian is their direct competitor. By comparison, the Guardian loses a turret, is half the vanguard's size, but gains a gun size.

[willow oxide]

tho it's way under in firepower than vanguards. 2xS5 is barely half 1xS5+4xS2

(not even talking about turrets ofc)

[heavy whale]

isnt it like half the size though

[iron blade]

It's a neat alternative in the heavy fighter level. Variety will keep ships viable.

[buoyant sierra]

loses firepower, but if i had to guess itll have more agility and manueverability

[limber agate]

It is.

Guardian --
Size(LxWxH): 24.3 x 16.3 x 9.1

Vanguard --
Size(LxWxH): 48 x 40 x 9.5

The weird part about it though, is that it still maneuvers just as slow. But it's going to have way more acceleration if it has less mass.

Acceleration is basically "Higher it is, the less time it takes to do the maneuver." (EG: the faster it is to get to the top speed.) Even if it's the same Degrees per second.

Also, since the Mirai Guardian's Main Big Thrusters are gimballed, it can use them to apply more thrust to do maneuvers.

So, overall, the Mirai Guardian should maneuver better, or at least feel like it does.

[buoyant sierra]

That’s crazy

The hornets almost as long

[gaunt ruin]

Look how power starved it is

[broken depot]

holy shit

Is that from a cinematic or is that evo

[modern obsidian]

The intention long term is for most ships to be power starved so that we are making meaningful decisions about our power allocation based on the situation

(An engineering station or screen would let you create and save power presets which the pilot can switch between while flying to make single person operation manageable)

This vid might just be giving a glimpse into this unintentionally

[broken depot]

guardian is single seat no?

[modern obsidian]

Yes

[broken depot]

wonder if the pilot will be able to make presets

[modern obsidian]

I would expect them to be able to, but they do say it's done on the engineering station when talking about bigger ships

[tardy crater]

cinematic

[broken depot]

Which one?

[heavy whale]

do engine pips do anything except for boost recharge time currently?

[modern obsidian]

One of the iae show ones. Can't remember which

[broken depot]

ah

[heavy whale]

its from the latest 4.0 patch report on youtube

[modern obsidian]

https://youtu.be/AgK9Fe23psk?si=Hx8pxBl2vWKh7VFU

A little over 6mins in

[broken depot]

2s4 tf

[tardy crater]

will mirai go straight to first live patch of 4.0 or later on?

gurdieen

[heavy whale]

2 size 5s no?

[broken depot]

oh

still thats uh meh

[heavy whale]

wonder if 5scu of quantum fuel will actually come, seems a bit far fetched

[gaunt ruin]

Ya, Guardian is gonna be pretty balanced at launch. I will get it for style points tho.

[heavy whale]

same, melting hornet for this

[buoyant sierra]

Eh keeping my hornet so I have stealth

But getting this also for style

[heavy whale]

keeping both would be nice but expensive

[buoyant sierra]

chains chains chains

[heavy whale]

yep

[limber agate]

Most annoying part is that they will remove one of them on the Interdiction version to be replaced with the Interdiction system.

Which is hilarious, since they clearly have space on the top to attach something to

[azure island]

1s5 is a DOA for me

[broken depot]

Atp just get a mantis

[modern obsidian]

Speaking of, mantis is a great example of why the single gun for the interdictor version is ok. CIG clearly doesn't want ships with these features to be able to work alone. Just like the mantis it is intentionally under gunned

[heavy whale]

On spviewer now

[orchid rock]

Runs hot with stock cooler

[heavy whale]

yeah

[cosmic ravine]

Is it a buy or just for the warbond

[modern obsidian]

No ship is ever warbond only. When it drops with 4.0 they will have both a warnbond and store credit option available

[cosmic ravine]

I meant if it’s worth getting my bad

[modern obsidian]

Idk if it's worth getting. All I know is I am getting it.

[cosmic ravine]

and i saw something about two versions

[modern obsidian]

The other version is an interdictor. One less gun but has interdiction devices.
Interdictors usually need to work with other ships to be effective, so not my thing but I'm sure some people will be interested

[boreal jewel]

its got tons of em and ir - even with stealth components its em is 10k

[buoyant sierra]

Ir makes sense em not as much

[crystal wedge]

Keep it up and your wife is going to Stone Age your fleet again

[quaint kettle]

are either in PTU? how’s everyone got da stats for coolers

[quaint kettle]

1 size 5 is better than 4 size 4s the gun balance does not exist

need armour to remedy it

i wonder if the left or right gun gets replaced by the QED

or will the gun be moved to below the cockpit and QED on top of the ship

hmmmm

i’d prefer the 2nd option but idk what they’ll do

[dim niche]

Incase this wasn't seen by folks

[cosmic ravine]

its in 4.0? eptu?

[plush knot]

not yet

[dim niche]

In EVO

Live on Thursday supposedly

[plush knot]

sounds about right.

[dim niche]

From somewhere lol

[plush knot]

disgruntled employee from the MASS layoff, maybe.

[floral coral]

I GET TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO

SEE IT DOES HAVE AN INTERIOR

GGWP BOZOS

[plush knot]

it was kinda obvious after the clear pics of it's massive body.

[floral coral]

a bunch of people here were arguing it wouldn't have one

lmao

[plush knot]

no way they'd pull an Ares again, with all the wasted space.

[floral coral]

I'd be mad if they did

Would have been a major L

[dim niche]

interior doubters in shamblers fr

[floral coral]

ngl that interior is....pretty fucking good

shit

[dim niche]

yeah man

[floral coral]

this is going to be a good solo ship with everything it has

[dim niche]

big fan

[floral coral]

cargo, decent solo weapons loadout, FULL hab

rare CIG W

[dim niche]

truth

slap it on a polaris for some pyro antics imho

Looks like it won't be a great PvP ship by any stretch, but PvE should be fun. Def VHRT potential

[plush knot]

melting my Ghost as we speak... maybe.

[dim niche]

Store working for you rn?

[plush knot]

oh, no i guess site is borked.

[cosmic ravine]

yea store down

[gaunt ruin]

Cargo?

[dim niche]

You could put a few boxes in the shoilet lol

[gaunt ruin]

Ok, dude said cargo but I didn't see it

[dim niche]

You gotta see the vision...I see a full fury fitting in this thing

hell, why not just put another guardian in it

[gaunt ruin]

Looks super power starved is the only negative

[dim niche]

yeah, Ig we'll see

[heavy whale]

you can prob fit a 1scu box on the elevator

assuming the engineering room's floor drops out as the entrance

[floral coral]

The rear bay looks like it holds cargo

hold on

oh no cargo grid

but has plenty of room

[heavy whale]

and your probably fine flying with stuff not locked down anyways

[floral coral]

Yeah given its fully internal

now the real issue may be getting boxes in there depending on how the entrnace works

[heavy whale]

yeah

hopium

[gaunt ruin]

They must be prepping the store to hoover in all our cash

[floral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-gif-20350005

[orchid rock]

QI has 2 weapons

[gaunt ruin]

Are they still size 5? look like s4

[orchid rock]

looks like S5 but could also be S4

[floral coral]

@gaunt ruin @heavy whale that elevator style can definitely be used for loading some cargo

[orchid rock]

or a pulse

[floral coral]

Pulse is way too big for that imo

even though the pulse is small

[gaunt ruin]

nvm, look like same size guns as the base

[cosmic ravine]

seems like the qi version will be the most desirable ?

[orchid rock]

probably

it's a better mantis if it can interdict

[lunar shoal]

No chance of just turning a Pulse vertically with a tractor and dropping it on the floor above with the lift open?

[heavy whale]

Looks like a 1scu box prob would fit

[gaunt ruin]

Erkul showing 2 S5 guns on the QI.

[heavy whale]

Seems wide enough but ultrawide messes with things

[lime ridge]

Huh, I wonder what the QI gives up for that QD then.

[floral coral]

what size and count of weapons is on the base?

[gaunt ruin]

same, 2 S5

[floral coral]

huh

yeah wonder what it gives up

[heavy whale]

Prob power, and on erkle it's less maneuverable

[gaunt ruin]

looks like base is more manueverable

35/35/120 vs 38/38/130

[lunar shoal]

It'll give up the entire interior 😄

[gaunt ruin]

Ya, maybe, no interior and less manueverable makes sense. I would stick with the base just on manueverability alone.

[quaint kettle]

it cant

just dampener

[limber agate]

This is the most efficient internal layout in the history of the game. They even put the engineering terminal in the wall

[floral coral]

yeah I am impressed

[limber agate]

I feel like they could easily adapt this for the Avenger Titan's gold pass

[raw hare]

Starlancer max gonna be the shortest pledge I kept (around a month in my hangar) thanks to the Guardian (not the same role, but recently got a c2 so no use for the max)

[limber agate]

No wonder the Guardian doesn't have much gun power though. Have you seen all the missiles it has? Though to be fair, it is a Vanguard Competitor.

[heavy whale]

is maxing missile count still the way to go? 32 s1s lmao

[dim niche]

prolly be worth to slap ballistics on er' honestly

[raw hare]

2x size 5 sounds decent, if the ship maneuvers well I won’t complain

[limber agate]

https://www.spviewer.eu/compare?ship=MRAI_Guardian&ship=AEGS_Vanguard

The Guardian is the same speed as the Vanguard. However, the Guardian will have nearly double the acceleration. Since it has those huge thrusters, and way less mass.

[raw hare]

Seems like the perfect heavy fighter for my fleet then !

[limber agate]

I just prefer it over the Vanguards because it was designed to be a solo ship.

[keen shore]

do we know fi this fits in hte polaris?

[limber agate]

It's as tall as the Vanguards.

[keen shore]

so then likely

[limber agate]

Also, the Interdiction Variant still has the 2xS5 guns despite the original datamine stating it'd have one removed

[spare yarrow]

damn, that color scheme and interior are amazing...
didn't plan on getting one but now I kinda want it

[lime ridge]

Vanguard doesn't fit due to length, but height is fine. It looks like it should fit in the Polaris fine.

[limber agate]

The Interdiction variant also swaps out the Size 2 missiles for Size 3 ones for stock.

[lime ridge]

Same overall rack sizes though, so if it's swappable it ends up the same.

[river rivet]

big question for me is gonna be - "Melt my Corsair or melt my MSR?" given I've got a Zeus ES and Starlancer Max

No real place for the Corsair any more, and aesthetically I like the MSR over it (despite all the doors)

[orchid rock]

Melt the Corsair then the MSR then buy guardian

[river rivet]

Thinks it's gonna be that much? I figured around 250-260

[orchid rock]

it's that but melt both cause guardian worth it

[river rivet]

oh I'll def get the guardian. I just have some redundancy I am getting rid of. I don't use either the Corsair or the MSR right now heh

[crimson current]

ohhhh man my wallet is screwed

please be 250 please be 250 please be-

[grizzled frigate]

You think the Qi's dampener will completely take over the interior of the ship? I can understand that tech would obviously require a massive footprint on the ship

... but just curious on thoughts about how much of a footprint. The living space is nice, and I'd hate to see it completely encroached upon to where it's just a seat and nothing but wires behind you.

[orchid rock]

will probably just be the suit locker, elevator and engineering terminal and whatever was in the engineering and elevator room

[modern obsidian]

I made sure I had enough store credits at the end of IAE to pick this up 🤣

[grizzled frigate]

Damn... at the least for creature comforts, a bed. 🙏 i can do without a fridge or kitchen, but maybe a bed and shower, a suit locker and eng-term. One can hope

[open vector]

Glad it has a weapon locker too

A buy for me

[orchid rock]

but will just support smgs and smaller and no p4s and such

[open vector]

Where does it say smg and smaller

[orchid rock]

it looks like smg and smaller

unmodded p4 maybe

[modern obsidian]

I'm pretty sure there's only 3 sizes of weapon racks in this game.
Pistol/medgun/multitool size, rifle size, rocket launcher/railgun size

[orchid rock]

the C1/A1 have a special rifle one that doesn't support Karnas. So multiple levels of rifle sizes

[modern obsidian]

Ah ok. Didn't know that. Interesting

[open vector]

Looks big enough for rifles to me

Idc for anything larger

[orchid rock]

and that one looks smaller than the A1/C1 weapon locker so maybe just smgs

[crystal wedge]

Does the dampener version not lose a gun?

[orchid rock]

not anymore

[crystal wedge]

Oh wow

[orchid rock]

but it's less maneauverable

[shadow forge]

Sounds like the QI version is gonna be meta

Waiting to see final from CIG but looking like a buy from me

[buoyant sierra]

Been waiting so long on a powerful qed ship

[orchid rock]

qed is?

[orchid rock]

can't interdict

[open vector]

How many missiles is this thing farting out

[orchid rock]

like 32 S1 maybe

[open vector]

[buoyant sierra]

Snare

Same thing to me

[orchid rock]

would be a QDMP then

QI is just a better cutty blue

[open vector]

Just lock the bounty in the suit locker ezpz

[buoyant sierra]

Literally has a qed

[orchid rock]

nah man QI is no interdiction so a QD/QDMP then

[orchid rock]

QED is just mantis

[orchid rock]

QD =/= QED

snare radius = 1m

1 meter

1

meter

spviewer way better

it's a dampener not an interdictor

[dim niche]

I may just have to get the QI version, that animation making me act up fr

[grizzled frigate]

Im so torn on the two!

[dim niche]

I mean, the QI still has 2s5 which is good, a LITTLE bit slower, and some slightly fixable missiles...but also...look at er'

[iron blade]

just hold on to your wallets, they will get slapped with the nerf bat.

[grizzled frigate]

I love the idea of a Mirai interior... but i don't have a QD in my fleet

[modern obsidian]

QI is bound to have some substantial downsides. Ships with dampeners usually need a team to be effective. I'll be going standard most likely but will wait to understand the difference

[grizzled frigate]

I MIGHT stick with base

[dim niche]

If the QI has a bed and shitter, i'm sold

[grizzled frigate]

Because toilet 💩

[dim niche]

because immersion, we all know no one here showers

BUT I can cosplay as a "showerer" in game

plus also, who cares about the scorp antares or the cutless blue...because this is NEW and I DON'T HAVE ONE

[quaint kettle]

scorp needs 2 this does not

[dim niche]

Amen

[quaint kettle]

but atleast it has an emp

the scorp

[dim niche]

your honor, I merely ask that "look at the QI" be submitted to evidence

I rest my case

[open vector]

Just buy both

[crimson current]

where do yall get this footage

[orchid rock]

leaks discords

[dim niche]

SC Pipeline discord

[spare yarrow]

my plan too, although that animation on the QI is smooth and sexy af

[crimson current]

so is it just leaked dev footage then?

[dim niche]

🤷‍♂️

something like that

[orchid rock]

not dev even probably. just a hacker of some sorts

or something like that

a dev would be gone by now probably

[dim niche]

Yeah, this is more than likely someone who acquired the footage/info in unsavory ways...but you know...it works

[orchid rock]

I mean we know the source

but we don't know where the source got it from. What source the source had

[plush knot]

Apparently the concierge paint is 'tan and grey with a gold stripe.

[orchid rock]

this one?

[plush knot]

looks to be the one.

[orchid rock]

the rest

[open vector]

Not the worst color

The first one is probably my favorite

[plush knot]

love it. might end up getting 3 of them.

[modern obsidian]

First one looks like it'll be the concierge one

[plush knot]

this one. you can tell by the file name.

[dim niche]

source, trust me bro

[orchid rock]

it fits inside the polaris main body hangar

[plush knot]

wait, who is this G-rom person?

[dim niche]

A trustable source

[orchid rock]

and why is they so trustable?

[dim niche]

A few leaks/info that turned out true

from the pipeline discord

[orchid rock]

Hater leaked everything about 1.0 that was told us at citcon in may this year with a timeframe of 1.0 in the next 2 years

[dim niche]

Yeah

I remember hater lol

[orchid rock]

and no one believes it

[dim niche]

Yeah

yeah...

[orchid rock]

[dim niche]

Do with the info what you will, or don't just speculation until we're flying it anyways

[orchid rock]

would be pretty dope if 1.0 in 2026 with sq42

[dim niche]

I'll take what I can get

[orchid rock]

terra will have to be pretty finished by now if they want it out in 2026 and also castra isn't really finished rn

[plush knot]

If sq42 actually hits in 2026, I think SC will not be long behind. Like 3-6 months after.

[modern obsidian]

How does Paint_Guardian_Tan_Grey_Gold_Icon.png confirm concierge paint? You mean because it has the word gold?

[plush knot]

yeah

[dim niche]

from what I heard, since they we're able to make pyro, the tech to create the other systems is kinda in place and should be easier/quicker

but you know...CIG

[plush knot]

To me it looks like the same palette as Zeus.

[crimson current]

man sucks to be a struggling uni student when star citizen releases a new sexy ass ship

[iron blade]

Gives ya something to work for when sold in game

[crimson current]

thats true

[buoyant sierra]

Real

[buoyant sierra]

Except what college student has that time

[iron blade]

evidentally one that plays SC cause its a time sink.

[tardy crater]

Looks like a fat fury

[orchid rock]

guess what it is

[tardy crater]

"a solo daily driver heavy fighter" it sounds great but the stats are a little underwhelming only one s2 shield, only 9 scu H fuel and 1.2 QT.... IDK too early to say if its gonna become my daily driver

[dim stream]

Guardian is a 2 seater like the Scorpius?

[swift quartz]

If only the stats actually matched the description remotely

[kindred axle]

The description just sounds like marketing sales pitch from a Mirai salesperson. Tells you what he thinks you want to hear. If you're still not buying he tells you "you can fly circles around your opponents" and then you're sold and buy a Gaurdian.

[swift quartz]

Yup. Same thing with the Hurricane vs Scorpius. Hurricane has "zoom and boom" in the description and the Scorpius has both agility and firepower advantage lol

[heavy whale]

things are probably going to get changed anyways, I’m just here for how cool it looks

I’m not good enough for pvp either

[tardy crater]

misc doesn't exactly have a great track record for combat ships

the looks are what put me off the most tbf

[heavy whale]

big space submersible

[gaunt ruin]

I dig the looks of the Guardian - so, I am getting it for sure. If you don't, I think the Warden is probably the better ship tbh.

On the plus side, the likelihood of a post-release nerf is low

[tardy crater]

If I had to guess it's going to be 240 in the pledge store

[gaunt ruin]

I'm banking on 275

[tardy crater]

definitely going to be lower than a vanguard

[gaunt ruin]

Doubt

[tardy crater]

not sure about the QI

we'll see

[gaunt ruin]

Vanguard came out a while ago. Gotta figure inflation.

[thick mica]

Anyone else notice this on Erkul?

[heavy whale]

a bug

spviewer has 2x size 10 turret options

[thick mica]

👀

[weary fulcrum]

So. might as well go QI Guardian because why not?

if there's literally no difference besides manuverability and scm spds

[zealous warren]

"If there's literally no difference besides two important stats!"

[gaunt ruin]

manueverability difference is fairly large

[tardy crater]

manueverability is a pretty determining factor for a fighter lulz

[heavy whale]

only 3 degrees off in pitch and yaw though

[buoyant sierra]

that much doesn’t make that much of a difference for a heavy

For a light or medium maybe

[heavy whale]

yeah

[gaunt ruin]

3 degrees is a fair amount. When boosted the difference is likely a bit larger.

[heavy whale]

Boosted the difference is still 3 degrees iirc

Actually 2.5 degrees with no boost, erkle rounds up

[tiny salmon]

what i’m liking the most is atleast 20-30k health over the other heavies

[zealous warren]

Except no one hits the vitals every time, and the Guardian has 20-30k more buffer around their vital than other heavies

[heavy whale]

i do worry about the little wing connectors though

[zealous warren]

A lot is going to depend on how it flies with a wing missing, yeah

[heavy whale]

300hp?

[zealous warren]

No indication of what part that actually is

[heavy whale]

yeah hopefully some random cosmetic bit

[zealous warren]

It's impossible that it's the part that holds the wings on or a single missile would pop all the wings off

I'm more concerned that if you do lose a wing, will it be uncontrollable

[swift quartz]

Hopefully the vector thrusters actually make a difference for combat

[zealous warren]

Yes there is such a thing as buffer. Not every shot is going to hit your vitals, so if you have more hp that isn't a vital, you have more hp that can conceivably get hit and block the shot getting to your vitals

So while the vital hp is what ultimately determines when your ship is destroyed, how much TOTAL hp your ship has also is an important metric for how tanky the ship is

Unless you're perfectly stationary and someone is just targeting your hull with every shot

[buoyant sierra]

doubt it, your thrusters on the back are the main thrust points

[zealous warren]

Yeah, with how they can gimble so much I'm hoping it stays controllable

It always tells you where to shoot, doesn't mean everyone has 100% accuracy. On a fighter it's pointless to sub target, the difference in shot placement will be like 1 pixel

You still have to manually aim at where it's telling you to shoot, and the shot still has to travel through space to hit a ship that will never be in the same spot exactly when it gets there

Not saying the guardian is twice as tanky as the other heavies because it has twice as much total hp, but I do think it'll make a difference

[remote robin]

so is the guardian going to be in ptu soon for us to test, thought i read somewhere above someone saying it will be on Thursday, any validity to that claim?

[modern obsidian]

Probably not

Guardian doesn't add any new tech, so it probably doesn't need ptu testing

[heavy whale]

maybe they'll add it for the marketing hype

[zealous warren]

They will probably wait for live 4.0 to release it to the game but I suspect they will put it on sale before 4.0 goes live

[tardy crater]

upgrading zeus to guardian feels wrong somehow, the zeus has 4xS2 shields compared to 1xs2 and the interior is a lot smaller no cargo locks and critical part body is 15k whilst guardian is 7k... you get 1 size bigger guns and some more maneuverability but is it really worth it

[heavy whale]

they aren't equivalents

[tardy crater]

no shit

[buoyant sierra]

2 completely different uses lol

[tardy crater]

thing is zeus seems to offer more flexibility and the guardian seems too squish to do any serious pve

[tardy crater]

no shit

I just want a daily driver to do some light PvE, bunker missions and looting

the guardian just doesn't seem that interesting in that regard

[buoyant sierra]

Then Zeus seems to fit that better

[tardy crater]

yeah

[heavy whale]

you arent doing much looting with a guardian

[tardy crater]

exactly

[heavy whale]

stay with the Zeus then

[tardy crater]

the hull HP of the guardian seems to be very high but the critical part is only 7k its weird and with a s1 shield that seems awefuly squish

[heavy whale]

its a rule of cool ship not one you get for maximum effectiveness imo

[tardy crater]

rule of cool?

[heavy whale]

its very cool

outweighs the downsides

ofc that's a personal choice, but i'm definitely getting one

[tardy crater]

so you pick it because it looks cool and not for what it can do?

[heavy whale]

for me, yes

[tardy crater]

yeah makes sense, I think the zeus looks better personally

[heavy whale]

Zeus is a nice ship, wish my c1 had a similar front entrance

[tardy crater]

I wished the zeus was more agile and had more firepower and the guardian just doesn't have a cargogrid for looting stuff but it could be more useful for PvE bounties etc and you could bunker run because it has a suitlocker and weapon rack

IDK it still is a tough choice

[buoyant sierra]

For a single pledge I would stick with the Zeus

[tardy crater]

zeus has 2 suit lockers and I think 3 weapon racks that are even bigger

[buoyant sierra]

I’ve planned on getting this ship since its tease back in October 2023, so it fits in with my fleet

[tardy crater]

we need more heavy fighters with interiors

something like the ares should've gotten an interior

[buoyant sierra]

I mean it’s a fighter for a reason

[tardy crater]

????

a heavy fighter is supposed to be long range it makes sense to have an interior

[heavy whale]

they need to figure out what long range actually means

[south valve]

Definitely getting the QI to round out the offensive capabilities of my fleet

[gaunt ruin]

This is a mistake. Trying to imagine a do-it-all ship rarely works.

Sometimes, you want a small ship, sometimes you want a larger ship. The Zeus has shit pilot dps and its lackluster maneuverability makes it very much not ideal for taking on smaller targets.

[buoyant sierra]

as am I

[tardy crater]

man, I know you're right... So what do you think the Guardian is best suited for?

the zeus es is an exploration ship currently its not good at anything I know that much

[gaunt ruin]

Smaller more manueverable ships are good at fighting smaller more manueverable ships

Also, ships with smaller footprints can be nice to use in certain situations

[tardy crater]

so the guardian has a weapon rack and suit locker and is a fighter which means I could use it to do bunker/ FPS missions and PvE ship combat

so it would fit my wishes better

[gaunt ruin]

Your Zeus is better for bunkers

[tardy crater]

because it holds more guns and storage?

[gaunt ruin]

But I would take a Guardian over a Zeus for space combat

Two size 4s and shitty turn rates is bad.

[tardy crater]

why is the zeus better for bunkers tho because it can hold a vehicle too?

[gaunt ruin]

Vehicle, boxes, etc. Yah.

[tardy crater]

difficult to choose because with higher tier bunker missions you need a powerful ship to take out the turret defenses

[gaunt ruin]

Or you can just park a distance away and ride in on a pulse.

[tardy crater]

pulse can't carry scu crates tho

if you'd want to loot

[gaunt ruin]

True

[tardy crater]

IDK the fact that guardian is a long range heavy fighter that has basically all the features of zeus in its interior except cargo grid but for one person makes it more ideal to fly solo.

[gaunt ruin]

My suggestion: pick what you like most. Space combat or bunkers. Get a ship for that if you can have only one pledge. Then earn other ships specialized in other things in game. Going for a singular "daily driver" is no bueno, imo.

[tardy crater]

agreed, its better to get a specialized role ship

[south valve]

for me, I have too many ships but I try to make sure that each one i CCU into or buy into helps serve a gameloop im interested in in some way. This sounds like duh common sense but if im just buying all the cool looking ships without that i could easily have a bloated fleet of unnecessary ships for me and what im into (both now and in the future)

so when i look at the guardian QI, I see a ship with quantum dampening that could be useful to round out maybe a bounty hunting squad or something while not being a slouch on offense either AND it could be a long range scout maybe? with its bed and all that?

i have a liberator as well so it could be good to have that on board for different type of engagements/operations

[tardy crater]

wait doesn't the gladius also have a gunrack at least? on the exterior that folds out?

yes and the hawk has one

but thats all I know of

[south valve]

i think*** the infernos have one?

[tardy crater]

wooow you're right and it has armor storage as well

ok maybe the mirai guardian isn't that special because it has a gunrack and suitlocker

[south valve]

admittedly im getting it mostly because of how insanely cool this is

its the sickest most sith ship

something to be said for the eventual need for baths/toilets/etc

and somewhere to bedlog

[tardy crater]

the bedlog is really nice and you can store food in the kitchen hopefully

[south valve]

that inside of a decently strong long range fighter sounds like a good package to me

AND add the ability to stop people from Quant

[tardy crater]

yes the long range solo crew fighter with interior ticks off most of my boxes

[south valve]

and once again it just looks absolutely badass

[tardy crater]

I like the QI skin the best

[south valve]

same

i fly an inferno all the time so i dont mind a slightly more sluggish tradeoff

[tardy crater]

yeah for PvE its fine cause the AI is really dumb

a lot more fighters got a storage unit and weapon rack than I previously thought even the old sabre has one

[grizzled frigate]

Hot damn, the whole array of paints are 🔥🔥🔥

[south valve]

yea i need that tan one

[grizzled frigate]

That sand palette gives me military/Paladin vibes

Very Desert Storm-y

[grizzled frigate]

Gawd I hope so, I'd probably spend the extra for the Qi

[remote robin]

i just need the guardian in my life already xD

the team really cooked with this one

[south valve]

when do we suspect itll be avail? launch of 4.0 right?

[remote robin]

i really hope they bring it into ptu soon and sell it then

[south valve]

same. i need this ship haha

[remote robin]

fr fr

[mental radish]

So we are getting Guardian & Guardian QI?

[south valve]

QI hands down

unless theres some unforeseen HUGE drawback

[heavy whale]

I’m getting the base version, I don’t think I need a damper and I can always upgrade later

plus the white and red paint looks so good

[remote robin]

what are the weps on the qi?

[south valve]

same as reg afaik

[heavy whale]

Identical, 2x size 5s

[south valve]

diff missiles

slightly

[heavy whale]

stock with 8 s3 instead of 16 s2s of the base version

[south valve]

for me, i have better dedicated fighters already so id want the dampener to round out the things i can do in game

(because of course i need this beauty of a ship)

[heavy whale]

it's so pretty

[mental radish]

I would get it, but I guess it will be expensive.

[zealous warren]

Keep in mind they increased backpack size and reduced the size on armor and weapons, so now you can fit more into a backpack. Makes it easier to take out gear just in your backpack. Still not taking more than like 1-2 guns in there, or a few pieces of armor, but you can actually fit that in a backpack now

[modern obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osN68tT7wKQ

[cosmic ravine]

hmm which version to get if you have no other fighters

[swift quartz]

The fighter version

[mental radish]

So what versions are we getting? Guardian - Fighter, Guardian QI - Fighter with qantum damper?

[modern obsidian]

The base is a fighter. The QI is an interdictor

I'm probably going with the fighter

[ember marsh]

got a chain ready for one, but it´s cooler than i expected, so i´ll probably upgrade my Scorp to get both

[wind cipher]

Looks like no cargo carrying ability at all? Was hoping for somewhere to stash a couple SCU on the outside or at least 1 SCU inside tbh. Looks like the elevator can maybe fit a 1 SCU on it but would be a heck of a squeeze

[cosmic ravine]

ill ccu the fighter and save qi version as an upgrade

[heavy whale]

You could probably just tractor beam a box through the hole tbh, it looks big enough

[wind cipher]

Yeah, that's what I figured, maybe a 1SCU but it'd be tight and not particularly useful as a result, was hoping for something like the Redeemers little nook inside the ramp or at least a spot outside that could have a 1 or 2 SCU attach to it

That control panel in the cockpit definitely needs to be moved up a little as well, bit too in the way.

I'm almost certainly going to get one but good possibility I'll melt it in the future in favour of something better for BHing depending on how they make that all work eventually.

[heavy whale]

Yeah

Control panel might be ok imo, in a fight I'm normally pulling up to get lead

[mental radish]

I still don't see a reason for it's expected price

[buoyant sierra]

For high $200s??

[mental radish]

Yeah

200-300$, I want one but can't justify it

[wind cipher]

Cause they know that's how much they can get away with charging and still sell a buttload 😛

Remember, they have to take into account the CCU players that actually only end up spending a fraction of that so have to price accordingly

[buoyant sierra]

I mean also it’s a heavy fighter, it’s going to be in that range. Especially one everyone wants