Polaris Palooza

[night cipher]

yeah that’s because they prioritise missiles/torps and only when there’s none around they will go for fighters

also they probably aren’t that effective it is first iteration

[strong terrace]

Honestly, i would not mind them doing extremely little damage but firing on fighters more often (when there's no torps) just for the cool factor

[night cipher]

dont forget they have 1.2km range so

thats why they never fire

[strong terrace]

Ah, i see

[night cipher]

unless smth is kissing you

they wont do anything

[strong terrace]

Will help to cover the blindspots

if they cant hide close

nice change, in that case

[fierce arrow]

Excellent!

This is a good thing.

No more blind spots!

[strong terrace]

Your 890j gets some love too

[fierce arrow]

Now I can solo Shysley successfully!

[untold gorge]

so we get doubled shield but our big guns still suck?

hmm wonder if they will get a buff

[hallow rose]

how many Polaris torps does it take to vaporize an 890J ? did someone try this yet >_>

[untold gorge]

last i checked they were worse than c2 ballistics, what are they at now?

do they do dual s6 dps?

[hallow rose]

wait people saying Vanguard fits in Polaris? i thought it didnt <_< ppl and their misinformation

[untold gorge]

is that dps combined?

so on par with 2 size 5 guns

like cmon just give me s6 dps please

well yeah it will need it for capital armour

which i imagine ships like perseus and reclaimer will be getting

whats that one ship thats meant to be super heavy armoured

yeah maybe

i havent seen any inside images of polaris medbay

whats its look like

@rain carbon

[sharp raven]

Dark, prison cell like

Not s fan

Not even like a whole lot of medical storage

4 med beds though

I wanted an MRI machine

Its grey-ish instead of the usual white for most medical rooms

Pretty blank

[untold gorge]

respawnable of course?

also why the size 3 quantum drive?

[hallow rose]

Havent seen a single photo of a vanguard ship fitting in a polaris hanger. Someones lieing to me >_>

[patent galleon]

It doesn't fit

Initial assumption is that it would but once we got our hands on the Polaris the entry is smaller than the top door

[patent galleon]

So it's gun to tail is slightly too long and the tail fins go over the edge

You can finagle it in with difficulty.

[mossy yoke]

since all this talk about crewing ships, i wanted to share this idea, vote if your with me
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/61894/thread/meaningfull-rewarding-of-multi-player-crew-gamepla

question, is the polaris the first ship, which can launch more than 4 missles/torpedoes at once?
so if 3 player in 4 missles pilot, 4 missles turret, 4 torpedoes makes 12 launched assets simultan

right?

the andromeda, could do that with copilot, or not?

[royal hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ours-blanc-meme-bonjour-polaire-polar-bear-gif-25176258

[opaque rain]

as much as i agree with it, it has the problem of people abusing it and being way too op. first of all, 5+ players for 3x outcome is stupidly overbalanced and would make playing solo simply suck for everyone because they would feel like multicrew players get more money. i think the ideal scenario is every player gets base pay of the mission (so no sharing money from contracts), plus a reputation bonus. solo players would get this too, however think of it like this;

contract is 10k, and rep bonuses give you say, 10% per level. a solo player with a 3 level rep would get 13k from that.

for multicrew, everyone gets the 10k, plus their 10% per level bonus, plus they get a logarithmic (or not) bonus starting from 10% for every level the group average is. so say you are level 3, and the group on average is level 4, you would get a 30% bonus and the group level would give you say 34% or something, so a 64% bonus and the mission gives you 16.4k

but, this has to be balanced with the mission being considerably harder. aka mission spawns 5 bad guys with solo player, 20 or so with 4 players. also, this has to be done in a way where if everyone gets into a group and one person plays, that don't work. there has to be checks for if players are contributing and or even playing the game. leaving the game afk could be punished by giving you strikes, and at 3 strikes you stop getting all reputation bonuses (including when solo) for a week, your reputation gets a hit and you get fined for fraud or something plus you lose all the money you made during those 3 missions. there has to be consequences to it. big ones too.

this way, it's balanced for both multicrew and solo play, plus there's consequences to abusing the system

[patent galleon]

Playing around with it more, I think the 27 pip power output isn't that bad given the stuff that does take power is all mostly bespoke/built in and won't change too much.
But man those capacitors need some kind of rework, and not just for the Polaris but all larger ships drawing from the same pool is arse. Having the base power for weapons provide 1 shot per gun in the top turrets is way too small, as is the max of 6 per gun at max capacity.

Life support already draws power and you can turn it off.

So assuming the current power balance stays the same it should be fine. They'll need to increase outputs across the board as they add more stuff though.

Like being able to toggle the Gravity Generator and Computer/Blade stuff.

But I'm going to speculatively assume that the power outputs on ships right now is balanced for the available components.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. When you're approaching combat you can toggle unnecessary stuff like the tractor beam off, everybody suits up in case of hull breaches and life support gets turned off in combat time or something.

Yeah there is a mismatch between the generator size and what it's powering, but if power management is a gameplay thing which a player is expected to fiddle around with I think it's fine that the ship needs to work within limitations.

[patent galleon]

Very plain, could use some more shelving.

[untold gorge]

A hospital lobby desk??? Who tf at CIG thinks will man that thing lmaooo

[patent galleon]

Or a fridge with stuff in like the C8R and Nursa have

[patent galleon]

Bored turret gunners between engagements lmao

[untold gorge]

Whole inside should be pretty plain if we expect more customisation in future

[untold gorge]

Yeah I don’t think medic is a viable role on a capital ship?

Everyone has their own med gun

[patent galleon]

There's customisation and then there's stuff that's built into the walls like the medical supply cabinets. The two bays just feel really empty compared to something like the 890, Medivac URSA, and any other medical bay.

[untold gorge]

Rushed interior for IAE probably

[patent galleon]

Yeah, and most people will be bound to the beds anyway. I suppose you might have a dedicated medic player amongst your team for ground deployments.

[civic sage]

the polaris interior is underwhelming

[patent galleon]

Probably, I just noticed the personal storage in the bunks isn't working either.

[civic sage]

the best parts are engineering, cargo bay, and the hangar

but the rest is kinda boring

[patent galleon]

It feels sterile and spartan, which I would expect from a military ship like this

[civic sage]

when the carrack first came, that was so good

polaris didn’t meet carrack standards unfortunately

[patent galleon]

Yeah, it's a military ship. They come clean and neat and the mess comes from the idiots you have on board.

[untold gorge]

Says #1 Polaris complainer

[untold gorge]

My halls will be filled with empty Cruz bottles

[patent galleon]

#1 Polaris Complainer mainly complains about mechanics tbf

[untold gorge]

You’re complaining about me complaining

[patent galleon]

Also who oriented this goddamn chessboard

[untold gorge]

It needs to be fully physicalised so when you get hit by a missile the chess pieces fall on the floor

[patent galleon]

Ah yes, one player sits on the chair and the other squats on the table like a gremlin.

[untold gorge]

Can you steal the pieces?

[patent galleon]

Of course

[untold gorge]

Every Polaris I visit I’m taking one piece with me

[civic sage]

“it’s a military ship” sounds like copium for a rushed product

the suit lockers look horrendus

[untold gorge]

Once suit lockers actually work I’ll care about how they look

[patent galleon]

Fair enough lmao

[civic sage]

the idris and javelin we saw in sq42 is leagues better in quality

[untold gorge]

I want the guns to be good s6s

You want s7s

Oh please

[patent galleon]

Ah you invoked the CIG monkey's paw

[rigid brook]

Tbh gut that entire little area and put the pool table in

[patent galleon]

Nah, I know the best place for a pool table. We turn the Hangar into a giant one.

[night cipher]

not even reloadable from landing pads?

yeah ridiculous

CIGs inevitably flawed plan will be Vulcan and other rearming ships

1. they don't exist

2. it has 12 scu like what are you repairing/rearming or refuelling with that 💀

such a waste of time

3. now you need another ship and another crew to run back and forth from stations just to resupply it's so dumb

can ships not just have higher ammo pools

I'm telling y'all all they need is ammo pods and chutes to turrets

missile pods slap it into the shoot it reloads the missile turret

slap a ballistic pod with flak, AP or incendiary in and reloads the turret

gives engineers smth else to do

or just put them next to the turret seat and have the gunner get out and in

chutes would be genius

get me on cig

imagine running through an exploding ship to resupply your gunners ammo carrying a new missile pod

instead you're just moving fuses around

[night cipher]

I guess for backup

i could only find one relay in the Zeus

which is kinda busted

easily solo or duoable

unless in MR

you want 2 gunners

[night cipher]

because it's right behind the cockpit below the engineering terminal

which is like 4 steps from the pilots seat

only time you might get into trouble is combat and tryna engineer and pilot at the same time

also some components are all the way in the back but it's still not that far

like 4 doors maybe maximum too

unlike msr

[night cipher]

ngl 24 shots is pretty fast

[proper junco]

Polaris next week

[strong terrace]

What a time to be alive

[untold gorge]

Wouldn’t you just torp a hammerhead

[novel remnant]

Naw, that’s what the hole in the middle of the hammerhead is for.

[fierce arrow]

Maybe if it was behind the COM but it really isn't.

[novel remnant]

Just don’t move

Flawless tactic

Insert numbers and math meme.

[night cipher]

what are they gonna do some space ninja gaiden and spin the ship so the torp slips through the gap

[civic sage]

so did they change anything about the polaris in the updates or nah

[proper junco]

A floating pds

Seeing as the 890j pds s can take out 2 Polari worth of torp volley on its own its gonna be difficult to get a hit

[rigid brook]

And just think idris and jav will probably have better pdc then 890j, Polaris just became a gimmick ship and it hurts

No reason to not buff it turret loadout now if it can’t even do what it’s meant for

[proper junco]

Im not saying that they nerf pdc s to the ground either. They should just make torps in general a bit more threatening and not some plastic rocket warhead that crumples on hit.

Do pdcs even overheat?

Pds*

[rigid brook]

Yea but if they nerf pdc then eclipse will dominate against Polaris

[proper junco]

https://youtu.be/6zNwqrO6DjY?si=-LFdIiqTcvVx6P0B

[patent galleon]

How many Eclipse torps does it take to soft-kill the Polaris? I was testing in Arena and it took 7 to 8 Eclipse torps to hard death it.

[weak hill]

I was watching and if you overload the PDS it cant keep up so a volley of 4 S10 torps 1 usually makes it through

[rigid brook]

Dumb fire into rear two shots Polaris

that was before they added dumb fired missile to pdc ability to shoot down so that might not be effective anymore but if Polaris can’t use its torps on bigger caps means pdc would be nerf which would be massive nerf to Polaris

If they nerf pdc Polaris becomes food for eclipses
If they leave pdc as is Polaris stays gimmick ship

Polaris for me is in weird position where it is meh sub cap, just slips into meh all rounder excels at nothing, after the new ship hype wears off

[night cipher]

nothing sub cap about it

[rigid brook]

I mean Perseus has better turret loadout for fighting caps, both probably end up having same armor since Polaris is described as lighter then normal cap armor and Perseus is more armored then normal sub caps, the torps are probably never gonna land on an idris and javelin unless they nerf pdc and if they do that then Polaris becomes easy fish food for eclipses again, I have a friend who killed 7 fully man Polaris (not all at once) with an eclipse before the dumb fire pdc targeting

[night cipher]

yeah but the difference is the capital size, components and its C&C radar/bridge station

[rigid brook]

Ok? That doesn’t save it now

[night cipher]

nono that’s what makes it a capital i mean

it’s still shit don’t get me wrong LOL

the guns won’t save it

but i do think a polaris and a small fleet is necessary

so like instead of 1 idris

idris

could have a polaris and a percy or liberator or hammerhead

whatever you want

[rigid brook]

Not saying caps should be OP but I want to be scared by them, and currently I just look at Polaris and see a fatter carrack

[night cipher]

yeah i get it

i still like it but

need to be careful when i use it

as a patrol platform

and defensively

like defending an orgs shield relay

or a moon/planet sector

[mossy yoke]

since balancing is way out of scope anyway... i dont see that polaris is to weak or on the wrong spot, to early to tell

[rigid brook]

I like Polaris and I’m gonna keep it until cig makes something better, but my problem is you have to baby it and a military grade cap that needs to be babied is not a “military” cap at all

100% cig already has everyone’s money and someday will make a another corvette that easily out shines Polaris in combat and cost $300 more

[night cipher]

true on all fronts

[patent galleon]

I could see torps being sped up now that PDCs are working and semi-effective

Like they're currently slow as hell, but that's to give you the chance to manuever and shoot em down instead of just dying.
Higher speed on torps might help it synch better with the idea of launching covering swarms of missiles to overload PDCs.

[night cipher]

and if they do this eclipses gonna destroy the polaris with ease

but same time polaris torps are useless

[mossy yoke]

polaris is never alone, 1-2 escorts will be around

[patent galleon]

Speeding it up slightly so that the window for screening with other missiles while still maintaining PDC effectiveness is a tough balance but would help I feel. Eclipses are solo and fire smaller and more easily intercepted salvos.

I feel like the goal would be to facilitate teamplay in some way. Your capships should need teamwork and coordination to take down.

And the Polaris should be up there in terms of being a capship that needs coordination to fight as well

[night cipher]

it’s kinda facilitated rn, use a firebird or shrike to bombard the PDCs so a torp can get through

but if they just make it so you can target and destroy PDCs

like turrets can be

should fix the issue

is captains room in polaris unlocked yet?

[patent galleon]

Nope

[night cipher]

are they gonna unlock it at IAE

[rigid brook]

I doubt it I think it’s more of a they rushed the ship out

[fierce arrow]

Yes?

[night cipher]

is that a question

[fierce arrow]

No. I’m pretty sure they will unlock it at IAE.

[night cipher]

i hope so!!!!

it’s the best part of the ship

apart from the brig

that’s pretty cool too

[clear stag]

Seems like alot of us are feeling fairly scammed even crazier to me they were going to release it with those under gunned turrets before been a long ten years to have this

[rigid brook]

I want the white box reconcept Polaris

Just look at them bois

[amber breach]

We might see the captain's quarters in the next patch if we are lucky

[night cipher]

yippee

[hallow rose]

i have a feeling, the Polaris will go live. more people will get their hands on it and complain, then everyone will say "its actually not that strong, RIP" and ppl will get mad. melt lots of them, and it will just turn out like the Retaliator but bigger. no many being used/seen.

[untold gorge]

It’s a multicrew ship with no reason in game to multi crew

[untold gorge]

Same problem with reclaimer - it makes the most money/per person/per hour when soloed

[hallow rose]

i mean theres no content for the Polaris

or HH

or Tali

or Perseus

or any large multi-crew combat focused ship

even A2 has 0 content

[untold gorge]

yes because CIG put money making ships years before making Gameplay and Missions and Actual things to do with those ships.

money making for CIG

[untold gorge]

Which also leads to their shit design when the gameplay is implemented, like c2 not having tractor beams or and open roof

[whole sleet]

Arlington missions, Bounty hunting, ect. You make your own things to do. I mean idris missions happen through 3 different events and a full run mission set

[untold gorge]

Only use is to look cool and use as your personal space station

[whole sleet]

I used it for cargo and killed two idris so it has uses

[untold gorge]

But since cig still haven’t implemented the quantum markers the were meant for 3.23 it’s hard to do even that

[untold gorge]

Wow 2 npc idris that’s so crazy

[whole sleet]

I mean you asked for things to do. Npc idris is better than no idris so I guess it's just a lack of entertainment for ya.

Go find creative things to do with it

Ain't too hard

Hell go hunt other polaris

[untold gorge]

“There’s gameplay for it” “go find things to do with it”

[whole sleet]

And there is gameplay but again you don't like NPC fighting so go find some players to fight in it. I dunno what you're expecting lmao

[untold gorge]

I’m expecting for proper gameplay for ships to be released before the ship, like how vulture already had salvaging as its gameplay

[whole sleet]

I mean hell, we loaded it up yesterday with 20 furies and swarmed another polaris

[untold gorge]

That’s player made role play

[whole sleet]

To be fair, it's a patrol/hunter ship. You go hunt similar size ships

Or larger to a degree

[untold gorge]

Yeah and how many do we have? The Polaris.

I’m telling you mobile base is the only current use

[whole sleet]

HH, Carrack, Polaris, Reclaimer if you want to be mean, and I'd even say the npc idris

890 out of spite

All suitable targets

[untold gorge]

you’re not hitting HH or carrack with the torps

PDS is also now a thing

[whole sleet]

I've done it many times in the pst 2 days

You can if you commit

PDS also don't work against volley fire missile spread

So if you time the launches, you score hits

[untold gorge]

Honestly why do I try to criticise in the Polaris channel, just a bunch of dickriders

[whole sleet]

Ain't dick riding, it's just honesty man. It's a game where you can go do whatever the hell ya want. Just enjoy doing things.

I understand wanting gameplay but there's always things to do with the ships even if unfinished

Hell I had the reclaimer since day one with no salvage and used it as an AA platform when the turrets were slaved and it was fantastic

[untold gorge]

This is what I’m talking about

There’s no dedicated content for it

[whole sleet]

What are you expecting then?

[untold gorge]

They need to make the gameplay before the ship

[whole sleet]

Let me ask that

[untold gorge]

Something to do with the ship before releasing, like they are delaying that MR before bounty hunting 2.0

[whole sleet]

Okay but what are you wanting out of it?

[untold gorge]

But they want to sell Polaris for IAE so we get fd

[untold gorge]

That’s their job to figure out and implement

With guidance from player feedback

[whole sleet]

So you don't even know what you're wanting for gameplay even as an idea?

[untold gorge]

I’m done arguing

[whole sleet]

It's an honest question. What do you as a player wish to see for gameplay regarding the ship in terms of a mission or loop?

[untold gorge]

ITS UP TO CIG TO INVENT AND EXPLAIN THESE GAMEPLAY LOOPS BEFORE SELLING 10000s OF THE SHIPS FOR MONEY

gameplay before ships and marketing is too money hungry to care

That’s why a lot of old ships are getting worse and worse for their loops

They weren’t designed around them

Cart before horse

Yeah keep typing, you’re getting blocked, dickrider takes

[whole sleet]

You missed the point I'm trying to ask. Say you were to pitch an idea to them regarding what YOU wanted to see gameplay wise for the ship or similar kinds, what would be the founding principles and target loops? It's an easy question. be creative

[untold gorge]

Ah bliss

[whole sleet]

[untold gorge]

Until @fierce arrow comes back

[fierce arrow]

I have been summoned. What?!?

[whole sleet]

Man doesn't understand hypothetical discussions.

[untold gorge]

lol I was mentioning your hot takes

Renowned for them

[fierce arrow]

The Anvil Paladin will be a Polaris Replacement that is slightly better in every way.

[untold gorge]

Yep that’s close to what I’m thinking

I also called anvil capital ages ago for IAE

[fierce arrow]

I had always thought it would be a Cruiser.

[untold gorge]

Ooo new info on it

[fierce arrow]

||It’s an approximately Carrack sized Gunship.||

#1295091737584209920.

Which lines up with my theory. 🥺

[untold gorge]

||spoiler lol||

[fierce arrow]

??

As you wish.

[untold gorge]

Polaris way bigger, it won’t be cap

Don’t think it will replace Polaris

If it does that at carrack size it will be overpowered

[fierce arrow]

You think it won’t be.

[untold gorge]

You mean carrack size, or overpowering it at carrack size

?

[fierce arrow]

Overpowering it at Carrack Size.

[untold gorge]

Nah I don’t see it happening

You?

[fierce arrow]

I don’t want to but I do. It’s either a Polaris replacement or a Redeemer Replacement.

||Size: Large. Same as Redeemer.||

[untold gorge]

Yeah way smaller than Polaris.

Perseus fans should be more worried than us

Carrack isn’t capital

[fierce arrow]

Perseus surprise drop with 4 X S6 and 32 S3s when?

[rigid brook]

If Perseus gets the little pdc it’s gonna beat Polaris into submission

2 Polaris can’t even land torps on 890j so if Perseus gets pdc it will be able to get close and absolutely demolish the Polaris with its size 7s

[weak hill]

Polaris best space RV

[brazen eagle]

to big

[weak hill]

Does C1 or A1 fit inside Polaris hangar?

[austere gull]

not a chance

too long and wings too large

[weak hill]

I figured as much just thought id confirm

[untold gorge]

Never beating #1 Polaris complainer allegations

[untold gorge]

Wait is Polaris actually meant to be fastest capital

[strong terrace]

to be fair there is no other cap ship except the 890j atm

They are not capital sized though, just have some cap sized components

the idris is not flyable

It's not a capital by classification, so whenever we do get actual capital balancing around components and not just bespoke everything it'll change dramatically I'll assume

I do think the polaris should be the fastest cap though, i just think it's a bit early to complain when no other cap ships are realized (the current idris we have today will get scrapped in the future)

I'm not discussing semantics, they could call the perseus a capital for all i care - but the actual classification difference is what will balance power eventually

The reclaimer is listed as heavy salvage

not capital salvage

By that definition ares and perseus is cap too

dont take my word for it, CIG makes the classifications

You can argue semantics but it won't change my mind 😂

where?

lmao

"trust me bro" 😂

was purely to show a distinction

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that polaris should be faster than the reclaimer, all i am saying is that balancing polaris vs reclaimer currently won't matter as we will have balance passes when other "capital" ships come out

Making polaris fast today then when the idris comes out slap it with a fat ass nerf to speed will feel worse then what the polaris feels now

At this point im just gonna agree to disagree 🤣

It's not as if the polaris will struggle against any other big ship until idris/etc comes out, so i dont agree with balancing her up now, when we dont know how she will actually play her purpose

Dont want another redeemer

In what world should a cap catch up to smaller ships, it's not meant to bully baby constellations etc

[untold gorge]

Wow @rain carbon complaining again; fork found in kitchen 🤯

At least you took #1 Polaris fan out of your name

Idgaf about balance at the moment, I want a functional game with server meshing

[strong terrace]

what do you mean you can't catch up to an 890? 890 only got faster boost speed, polaris has it beat in both SCM and NAV mode max speed

[untold gorge]

I don’t rp

It is useless atm, no proper gameplay anyway

No point worrying about balance until more caps and server meshing and actual gameplay are out

The f8c still flys like an ice cream truck months after MM, they said it will be rebalanced soon after the switch lol

Polaris might not be the best at the moment but there’s no point complaining until everything like maelstrom is implemented

We’re playing a pre alpha so yeah

Waaah waah

We all know this game is a development mess and will take years to get into a playable game 1.0form

Yeah like that f7a hornet numbers change that made its strafe busted for months

[strong terrace]

Balance is needed for the polaris but buffing it to crazy levels only to have a huge come-down is just wasted time

[untold gorge]

Polaris will go through hundreds of balance changes until 1.0, don’t get too mad over its present performence

Yeah mocking you complaining again

About some other irrelevant Polaris balance numbers

No all balance numbers are irrelevant as MM has shown

It’s just weird that all you do is complain about this ship

Constructive criticism then lol

[strong terrace]

It's literally not trash, though. It still suffers from the same fate as every other multi-crew ship since it's gonna get bodied by 12 fighters, but as far as it's niche is killing bigger ships it's gonna be the best

You dont even need torps dude

[untold gorge]

In pre alpha 3.24.3 ptu

It will change dude

[strong terrace]

until idris comes out, the polaris will be the king ship in big ship combat

[untold gorge]

So far all I’m getting from this @rain carbon guy is that “I want my ship to be perfect on release and never need another balance change as new game mechanics are implemented”

Like f8c and MM

Still doesn’t have its mm tuning

Why are we agreeing on something

[strong terrace]

Now kiss

[untold gorge]

Yeah as balanced as it can be on release

[strong terrace]

I agree on upgunning it, as it won't stand "toe to toe" without atleast all the guns being s4. The nose turret is trash until we can rearm it manually. Speed will change for better or worse when other cap ships come in and the polaris has it's purpose - the current Idris will not be the final one anyway

[untold gorge]

Guess we wait and see, im just going to use it as my personal space station until pyro

Don’t know much else to do with it lol 😝

[brazen eagle]

not that fun if you are soloing Polaris

[strong terrace]

The missile turret is atrocious and currently a huge weakspot to the polaris.. Why can't we have space flak guns anyway? 😔

[clear stag]

They hate us

[hallow rose]

the Polaris still hasnt had any "gold-pass" done to it, its barely got a "Stable-pass" on it

not to mention lots of mechanics for ships like the Polaris arent even worked on yet

this is just a flying shell, relax people

give CIG another 5 years and maybe we'll have a half-way there Polaris

for now, fly it around, play with what we have and idk abuse the crap out of it

because in future, you wont be able to do it as easily with costs and other mechanics yet to become established.

[strong terrace]

Honestly externally the polaris looks incredible. Just needs a bit of work on the inside.

The guns should be upsized though 🤓

[coarse mantle]

Do you want 7 quad S5 turrets? The guns are fine. If you really wanna complain about it's firepower then upsize the PDS so it becomes more soloable

[strong terrace]

Never said quad, but s4's will do nothing to a big ship once this supposed armor will come in, and if its to stand "toe to toe" with other capital ships then it's a logical upgrade - The Idris has a S10 railgun, an assortment of s5's, 4's and 7's - Needless to say that doesn't mean i want the polaris to have a S10 gun, since we have torpedoes. But for a cap ship to run around with S4's (AND ESPECIALLY S3'S) is an odd choice to me

Who would wanna be the guy to sit on a s3 in a cap ship

[coarse mantle]

Since they has it ever been said to go toe to toe with other cap ships? It was advertised as a torpedo boat then got some gun upsized so now it's a patrol vessel with basic anti-figher capabilities. The S6 gun is the only part of the Polaris that's suppose to "pack a punch" against other big ships, not the entire ship. It's a Patrol Corvette/ Torpedo boat, not a Capital Buster.

[strong terrace]

It has been stated, let me find the clip

[coarse mantle]

Quad S3s, unless you wanna tail in a heavy fighter everywhere that's more firepower then the average ship.

[strong terrace]

Quad S3 is still less powerful then a single f7a mk2 and f8c

So why even bother manning the quad S3 and not just come in one of those?

[coarse mantle]

I just said, unless you wanna tail with a heavy fighter.

[strong terrace]

doesn't have to be a heavy..

Fighters have too big guns for cap ships to have s3's

[coarse mantle]

You get my point, the Polaris has space to store around 3 F7s. After that you'd ideally would want to man a turret that has more firepower than most ships you encounter in the wild. Cutty Blacks etcs

[coarse mantle]

If you wannt a cap ship dedicated to big guns go buy the Perseus. The Polaris is a Corvette. As much as you drooling Polaris owners want it to outgun the Perseus it shouldn't. The only thing the Polaris should have an edge in compared to other cap ships is maneuverability and torps.

[strong terrace]

https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?t=820

"So it's not just a torpedo boat, it can hold its own against other capital ships with its turrets"

[coarse mantle]

hold its own against other capital ships, not "Absolutely outgun and obliterate"

Plus

Funny thing is that's before the previous upgunning, so it's current loadout is what CIG means.

[strong terrace]

Please say where i said that

[coarse mantle]

It's very much what you're implying

[strong terrace]

You are mega-projecting, i dont want it to kill bigger cap ships with its turrets, i just dont want the turrets to be a joke

[coarse mantle]

Let me ask you, if you were to captain a Polaris against an Idris combined armes scenario, what would be your strat? To just go at it head first guns blazing?

[strong terrace]

Again, why do you assume this?

[coarse mantle]

Since the turrets are fine and can handle most scenarios currently

If you wanna bring 7 F8Cs instead of manning the turrets, go ahead.

Nobodys stoppin you man

[strong terrace]

That's the problem

Same with every multi-crew ship

Bring solo fighters and body them because big ships have small guns :p

[coarse mantle]

Exactly, so why complain about this one specifically?

[strong terrace]

Because it's the first cap ship, and i do complain about others?

Again stop assuming

[coarse mantle]

Idris has size 5 guns? Just bring an Connie has 4 Pillt S5s

Want a S7? Bring an inferno

[strong terrace]

💀 Whatever dude

[brazen eagle]

first cap ship?

[coarse mantle]

Lmao, ggwp.

[strong terrace]

sorry, first military cap ship*

[strong terrace]

You just assume stuff, no value in discussing with you

[coarse mantle]

If my 'assumptions' are wrong you didn't correct me either. Then you fail to counter my points.

Flying two different ships will always be superior to flying one ship unless you get to Javelins level of big.

Your logics in the dumpster mate.

[strong terrace]

Why are you so pressed bro lol

[coarse mantle]

I'm not lol

I enjoy debates.

[strong terrace]

debates just assuming what i mean?

some debate

[coarse mantle]

Your failed participation will be counted as a loss

If something stated is wrong; correct them

If you don't do so, then that's on you

Is it not?

[strong terrace]

Dont care bro, go be condescending somewhere else

[coarse mantle]

Thanks mate, gave me a good time.

[brazen eagle]

🍿

[coarse mantle]

Continue begging for an upgunning, hopefully your tears would be enough to convince Christ Roberts! We'd appreciate your contributions

[strong terrace]

☝️ 🤓

[coarse mantle]

'I don't have anything smart to say so I'm gonna post this nerd emoji to make him look like a fool'

[strong terrace]

You have too much to say, i already clocked out of this discussion with you bro

[coarse mantle]

Then stop responding lmao

I like to have the last laugh, it's a habit

[strong terrace]

for enjoying debates you like to just continue a dead debate

[coarse mantle]

I can do this all day man, keep em comin

[coarse mantle]

Gotta appreciate something till the end!

It's always fun when after they have nothing intelligent left to say, the "..... is typing" still appears!

It's like the cherry on top!

[strong terrace]

you're the real life joker brother respect for that

[coarse mantle]

Thanks! I try my best.

[mossy yoke]

since you can volley 2x4 missles by pilot and turret in addition to send out 4 torpedoes simultan its a cool missle boat

i want to keep the missle turret

if you time it right, at say 8 km distance send torpedoes, and 10 seconds later missles

than you overcome any PDS

[coarse mantle]

Indeed, you're supposed to load those S2 racks with rattlers to confuse PDS systems, pairing them with the S3 pilot missles the torps have a way higher rate at hitting.

Don't mind that guy he has 0 tactical awareness

Doesn't take a military tactician to figure out basic logical approaches in a video game.

[mossy yoke]

i tried it allready, it takes some practice with my tow friends to send the missles at the right time

[coarse mantle]

It's all about the travel speed

[strong terrace]

I don't think it works anymore? didn't they add priority for pds?

[coarse mantle]

Just gotta sync that

[mossy yoke]

last time we tested it worked well, ill try and make a video

[coarse mantle]

Last time they don't prioritize torps over missles, they do over fighters. Dunno if that changed.

[mossy yoke]

but i strugel to get good cinematic cam on torpedo...

[coarse mantle]

Even if it did, you can take a delayed launch approach to the torps

[strong terrace]

As i understood it, it was largest torp to smallest missle to fighters

worked fine when me and my buddies tested it

[mossy yoke]

yeah but missles are in front and got shoot first

[coarse mantle]

With a fighter carrying extra rattlers, the slowed response time still serves as an advantage

[strong terrace]

You tried in PU or in AC?

[mossy yoke]

AC

[strong terrace]

how long ago?

[mossy yoke]

weekend

[strong terrace]

Should be the same then

I'll have to try it again then 🙏

[mossy yoke]

maybe it deepends on the mode?

we did only free flight

[strong terrace]

oh yeah

Free flight is messed up with the pdcs

[mossy yoke]

so deathmatch?

[strong terrace]

Yeah

thats how we did

[mossy yoke]

hm

[coarse mantle]

PDCs are currently extremely inconsistent. The only place where it works as fully intended is offline Arena commander. But there you can't test that much

[mossy yoke]

well need to try aswell again 🙂

[strong terrace]

It's all about if they become "red"

White targets shooting you are bugged so far as pdc's are concerned

[mossy yoke]

but anyway, the missles are first in range, do they get ignored, if torpedoes are right behind?

[strong terrace]

The small missiles all hit in my testing

this was from a lowest lock range

no big torps hit

[mossy yoke]

maybe they came to late?

[strong terrace]

Not impossible, it was very crude

[mossy yoke]

at 8km a torpedo takes around 26 sec, a missle 9 sec

so send missles at 10-15sec after torplaunch

we did at 10+ but yeah need to train teammates to launch at given time...

need to figure out if i can save camview of torpedo... i always need to zoom out...

[strong terrace]

My testing was alot closer

minimum firing range

[mossy yoke]

can a andromeda send more than 4 missles? like co pilot and pilot each 4?

[strong terrace]

0 clue

[mossy yoke]

if not polaris is unique in sending more than 4 missles at once right now?

[strong terrace]

Firebird can send 6

and in AC testing, it almost always hit 4-5

[mossy yoke]

another use of missle turrets is, fighter can get shoot out of gunrange

[strong terrace]

with only one getting blown up

[strong terrace]

Saddest thing is just you can't rearm it

It wouldn't be so bad if it could be rearmed

[mossy yoke]

not yet, but that is just because the game feature is missing

so i dont care

nothing can be reloaded right now, only torpedoes?

[strong terrace]

"kinda"

[mossy yoke]

can they allready be reloaded manualy?

[strong terrace]

far as i know, you can't buy more torpedos separately

[mossy yoke]

ah no? oh

hm ok

yeah so i dont care about missing reload function

its just not ingame

polaris will get ith with all other ships later

[strong terrace]

Yeah, just a shame we get ships with bespoke ballistics while this system is not in place

I still really dont like the extremely limited nature of ballistics, rearming could be such a fun thing too so a shame it's not a priority right now!

Sound wise ballistics just sound so good too

[main violet]

🙏🙏 🍿

[rigid brook]

Minimum
Dual size 6 nose
Dual size 5 top turrets
Quad size 4 side hull turrets
Quad size 4 rear top and bottom turrets
Missile turret moved to top front of hangar and another one added to belly both controlled by same seat

Sad that paladin is gonna become what we wished Polaris would be

[wraith swan]

I think it's so fucking stupid

that everyone just gets a polaris for nothing

[strong terrace]

Not gonna be that bad once they realize they are gonna need crew

[wraith swan]

Oh yeah, useless as a solo pilot

[strong terrace]

This would be alot better then what we have for sure

[green herald]

tbf the concentration of polaris owners in wave 1 / eptu is gonna be WAY higher than live

[wraith swan]

Still, it will feel for the OG owners like they're gonna be flying a 2nd hand ship

already 100s of videos about it

Idk man.. the hype wears off at that point, got a lot of complaints about it

[green herald]

by way higher, i mean literally magnitudes, currently only concierge/subscribers are in (might only be subscribers)

and i mean that's just a matter of OG buyers being on a high horse, congrats for paying less ig?

if they even did, i forget if the polaris released as a cocnept at 750

[strong terrace]

This is gonna be true at launch for every ship anyway, no? I remember swarms of every ship at launch

even for idris/jav when that day comes

[rigid brook]

Tbh size 10 torps already gimmick with how overclocked pdc are

Should just let both pilot and torp operator be able to control torps

Cause if two Polaris can’t land torps on 890j then 1 Polaris has 0% chance to land torps on any real capital ships

[strong terrace]

Torps shouldn't be a unconditional kill anyway

I'd much rather see focus fire on pdc's then finish em off with torpedoes

[rigid brook]

Well either way Polaris is gimmick just give it better turret loadout to make up for it

[strong terrace]

It should have better turrets regardless if it's a gimmick, but it should never win a fight one on one vs smth like a Idris in a slugfest

[rigid brook]

Polaris has thinner armor and weaker shields then idris even if Polaris gets equivalent loadout to idris it would still lose at a higher rate

[strong terrace]

True, but even so i dont agree with it having simillar sized turrets

If they manage that balance between torpedoes and turrets well it can still be a very formidable threat against an idris

and unless CIG decides to just annihilate the polaris, the polaris will have the luxury of picking wether to fight or run

[rigid brook]

Anvil is last day, 100% cig expecting paladin to steal the show

[night cipher]

it might unironically be a better polaris in a smaller package

but it wont have hangar or C&C most likely

or medical/brig

[fierce arrow]

I’m expecting it to be.

[rigid brook]

i mean C&C is a gimmick

it will probably be better polaris but with snub bay and a cargo bay that can fit nursa

[night cipher]

maybe

[night cipher]

we will see, it could be really good if scanning from hornet trackers/msr/terrapin gets sent to capital ships in the group

would make sense

that way they can highlight targets with red outlines for all craft to see for example or other instructions such as

objective: defend
priority: high
outline would be blue/green or dark blue with high priority light blue with low priority

with a priority note

lots of stuff they can do

or

objective: attack (or maybe other more specific options such as destroy or disable or provoke/distract)
priority: low
outline red with high priority and orange with low

etc

even having move here orders maybe on your ships radar or helmets MFD/visor

could be useful

who knows

[rigid brook]

gg doa

[night cipher]

bruh

did they buff power atleast?

did they buff anything?

what about the missile turret

having 12 missiles

[mossy yoke]

is paladin bigger than redeemer?

[rigid brook]

yes

its 124m

2m shorter then carrack

[mossy yoke]

oO liberator is showen aswell?

hm okay

hm well, ill not switch, i like the polaris designe, and a always seek carrier like playstyle

so ill stick to her

liberator is more carrier, but ugly as hell... sadly

[night cipher]

lib will be much easier to run and afford to upkeep

[green herald]

what oes this chart mean

ah right that chart

[fierce arrow]

What does it even do anyways?

[rigid brook]

nothing really just roleplay nothing a discord voice chat cant do or ingame text chat

[proper junco]

Idk i cant really consider the game an alpha anymore when theyre doing events that have permanent rewards despite the bugs/unbalanced gameplay/in development status.

[strong terrace]

Oh shit, where did they say that?

[fierce arrow]

We need atleast a non bespoke nose turret and better power.

[proper junco]

give intrepid bespoke s5

[fierce arrow]

Cease bespokeness immediately!

[strong terrace]

Give intrepid bespoke polaris turret, give polaris bespoke intrepid 😎 🤙

[proper junco]

Spokesbe

[rigid brook]

lets just get crazy
nose dual size 6
top dual size 6
everything else quad size 4
missile turret top front of hangar and one on belly both controlled by same seat

[fierce arrow]

Top Dual S5.
Nose Dual S7.

[strong terrace]

I'd rather just have s5's and no more s6's

[fierce arrow]

Why??

[strong terrace]

(that is, keep the nose turret s6)

[strong terrace]

Came off wrong i think, sorry

[fierce arrow]

This, yes.

[strong terrace]

S3's has GOT to go

You CANNOT have s3's on a capital ship 💀

Manned s3's are a joke, bare minimum make them 4's 😭

[fierce arrow]

Also agreed. And add another turret to the top and move the missile turret forward or get rid of it??

[strong terrace]

If you could refuel the turret in-ship it could be interesting, but alas..

[fierce arrow]

Hence why I said no more bespoke.

[strong terrace]

The bespoke would be totally fine if you could rearm it without going back to a station to do it

Wish we atleast had an option of making it laser

[fierce arrow]

Why don't we.

[strong terrace]

CiG putting the cart before the horse, as usual sadly..

Such a missed oppurtunity to have the first version of rearming ballistics in a military cap ship

[fierce arrow]

Should we post on Spectrum?

I'm going to Spectrum. Nobody will hear us here.

[strong terrace]

I support that 🙏

Though, that said i doubt they'd be able to whisk up something in a hurry, best they could do is make some magic bespoke s6 laser we could use, or buff the ballistics to hell

Bummed out that a fully crewed hammerhead out DPS's the turret power of a fully crewed Polaris

[rigid brook]

The Polaris q&a has a lot of explaining to do

[strong terrace]

Did you end up making a post?

[untold gorge]

He’s right

[fierce arrow]

Angry typing noises.

[untold gorge]

The absolute slowest is pretty crazy, surely reclaimer or 890 would be slower then military thrusters

Nothing a few number changers can’t fix

[fierce arrow]

890J has no armor and Origins are normally pretty fast but freaking Reclaimer!?!

[untold gorge]

Problem is CIG are allergic to balance

So we may be slower than a flying sand crawler for years

[fierce arrow]

"Years?"

[untold gorge]

Because “balance doesn’t matter until 1.0”

Take a look at how MM flight tuning is progressing

Hint it’s not

[strong terrace]

To a certain degree, that's true - but not entirely of course, I do wish we could start making multi-crew viable

Sad to say seems like the polaris will be another roleplay ship.. atleast for the time being

[untold gorge]

Most multi crew are’s

[strong terrace]

Until AI is in the game, they need to balance ships per human aboard

[untold gorge]

That’s why they’re trying to force it through all the wrong ways like forcing weapon control to other chairs

[strong terrace]

Why be in a hurricane with two people, when you can be in two f7a's/f8c's? and deal more damage, and be more flexible?

[fierce arrow]

OK but... that just means the ship will have less weapons.

[untold gorge]

Nobody wants to full crew up a capital with 15 people to get obliterated by 15 ballistic f7as

[strong terrace]

turrets that are manned need to be worth manning for the most basic multicrew to be worth it

[fierce arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1281075109268029440/Kraken-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[strong terrace]

Kraken my love

Were you not a hull limited ship

[rigid brook]

our biggest argument should be to start out with is a military grade capital ship that is top o fthe line fresh from the factory should not have size 3 guns on it.

[fierce arrow]

Why is the Polaris Powerplant so weak? What is the least powerful ship it produces less power than? It only produces 27 segments, correct?

[rigid brook]

ship is 25% reactor should give more power

[untold gorge]

And that’s before all the engineering and life support stuff supposedly coming soon

[strong terrace]

Normally i thought CiG would make it OP as hell, the only thing I'd say is exceptional about the polaris as it currently is, is it's HP pool

[fierce arrow]

Which ship though. I need it for my spectrum post.

[rigid brook]

which will mean nothing when engineering comes in

[fierce arrow]

Less than 1/5th as much as the Idris.

[untold gorge]

This is why this game is a joke in the gaming community and among my friends, spend $750 or whatever on a video game and get fucked over with something that’s not what you bought and won’t be fixed for years

[strong terrace]

The idris will hopefully be a lumbering beast, though. While the polaris should be faster

[fierce arrow]

Agreed.

[strong terrace]

Why can you even launch bombs in space

[fierce arrow]

The Idris will probably be faster.

[strong terrace]

Engineering will deal the most damage (unless im wrong, i hope i am) to the mid-sized ships. Orgs can afford to have a guy work the engineering, but your 2-3 multicrew group?

and the solo people running their connies?

[fierce arrow]

What about solo ships? How will this affect my 400i?

[strong terrace]

How do we tell him

[rigid brook]

cig we know you threw white box reconcept polaris out the window because marketing team showed up with paladin, if you wanna be greedy fine but atleast be greedy enough to sell us polaris M upgrade kit

[untold gorge]

Polaris will be great with 3-4 people doing what a Corsair used to do, but if you want proper cap ship now, you will need an org or a bunch of friends with an idris

[fierce arrow]

There will be no upgrae kit sold. That is a worse idea than anything else.

[fierce arrow]

[untold gorge]

I wanna see the stats leak before saying it’s a replacement @rigid brook

[rigid brook]

anvil is last manufacture day, cig knows

[fierce arrow]

3-4 people is not the 1 person a Corsair used to have and is thus a downgrade.

[strong terrace]

Honestly, improve the power, upgun the polaris to s4 and s5's (preferably s5's only), keep the s6 nose gun. Make the polaris able to defend itself against same body count enemies. I really like the idea of the polaris managing to stick around in a fight long enough to disable enough of the enemy PDC's to nuke it with torps!

[fierce arrow]

Anvil Gunship of 124M size AKA approximately Carrack sized.

[rigid brook]

people gonna buy $850 polaris then see paladin and be heavy sigh sound of wallets opening

[fierce arrow]

Keep dreaming!

[untold gorge]

Yeah but the leak said much smaller in size, about carrack or 124 metres

[strong terrace]

I hope it does not look cool

I Do not want to want that ship after what they did to my deemer

[fierce arrow]

That's not that much smaller.

[untold gorge]

If it’s on par stats wise with Polaris I just give up

[fierce arrow]

I won't want it if it seems anything like Redeemer or Polaris. This is highly unfortunate but ultimately I am losing trust in CIG.

[fierce arrow]

It's be like Polaris but replace the torps with 2 X S8 guns.

[strong terrace]

I am feeling it a bit too, but i have a sliver of hopium left

[strong terrace]

Dont even say that as a joke 💀

[fierce arrow]

Paladin will step on it.

[fierce arrow]

2 X S9.

[fierce arrow]

Pilot controlled.

Pre bladed turrets.

[strong terrace]

300 scu cargo

Tractor beam

[fierce arrow]

Pilot controlled 4 S10 torpedos.

[strong terrace]

snub fighter

drop ship

why not

[fierce arrow]

Constellation but bigger.

[strong terrace]

and better

Anyway, woe upon ye CIG for making multicrew seem hopeless when we finally get a ship where it should have really counted.

[fierce arrow]

It is done. Go give it an upvote so the devs have a concrete list of changes to make.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/65300/thread/polaris-potential-buffs

[novel remnant]

Good honestly.

[strong terrace]

Hopefully it'll help us get s4 guns at the bare minimum!

[fierce arrow]

TF??

[fierce arrow]

In what way is restocking torpedos 3/4 of which will be shot down by PDCs good!?!

[fierce arrow]

Do you have the source when they said there was a potential upgunning in the future?

[fiery pine]

they said there may be another upgunning after the coming one (prior to giving it 2xS6)

it was in an ISC

[novel remnant]

They already up gunned it

[proper junco]

500k per torps that are slow aint worth re arming for

crash and claim insurance it is

how much were s9 s anyway?

*2 racks carring 16 s3 missiles

now we have 1 rack carrying 12 s2 missiles

and 2 launchers in front with 8 s3 each

remove front launcher and turn it to a pod under the ship ngl

i thought we agreed at s3 missiles were anti fighters

why is it bolted infront of the capital ship like its dog fighting

[fierce arrow]

Since when??

[fiery pine]

overwhelm PDCs with shooting the faster S3s, then fire S10 torps amidst the fire

or whichever order gives the desired result based on the speeds of the missiles/torps

[fiery pine]

"there may be another upgunning after the coming one (prior to giving it 2xS6)"

[patent galleon]

I hope we get Size 3 Rattlers or some other kind of Swarm/Chaff Missiles.

Dropping rattlers at your target to overwhelm the PDCs and mask a Size 10 Torp closing in seems like a good idea.

Then again I'm also hoping for the disruption/anti-cruise missiles from Freelancer.

[fierce arrow]

Is there a link to that?

[fiery pine]

https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?t=820
this was the first mention, I believe the second mention was on spectrum somewhere

[fierce arrow]

Thx!

[rigid brook]

Brothers we must prepare to riot if Polaris q&a isn’t enlightening enough

[main violet]

remember its not the fact that we have a Polaris, its how we use it that's what defines us they aren't the same

[hallow rose]

They fix the polaris yet?

[fierce arrow]

Lol no.

[hallow rose]

K, see you in 2030

O//

[untold gorge]

@rain carbon apparently polaris pds can detect dumbfire missiles now

[strong terrace]

Sadly the supposed "upgunning" have already been done, they mention upgunning it on "release during IAE" .. So unless they say it again this won't mean for the future

[untold gorge]

peashooter s6s and less power output than 3 x1 bikes

thats were our military capital ship is at

[night cipher]

fr? 😭😭🙏🏻

3 pulse got more dps?

[strong terrace]

Sad to say, but yeah. for now atleast

[untold gorge]

no actual powerplant output

[strong terrace]

Hopefully the Q and A will give us crumbs of hopium

[night cipher]

oh

yeah the power plant needs help

[untold gorge]

polaris poweplant gives less power than 3 racing bikes

[night cipher]

gives less power than a redeemer

allat generator in the back for NOTHING

[night cipher]

gunship that got gutted btw

[strong terrace]

1.9 TDI in that damn polaris

[untold gorge]

loooks like a nuke reactor for what

[night cipher]

could’ve made the ship smaller instead

power plant obvs isn’t needed

if it outputs less power than a redeemers large plant lol

[strong terrace]

"tip of the spear polaris" .. remove the guns.. make it a ram boat

[night cipher]

so what gun sizes has the polaris got rn?

is it

1 2x6
2 4x3s

1 size 2 missile turret

and 2 dual size 4s?

[strong terrace]

dont forget the size 3's

[night cipher]

where are those?

on bottom?

dual size 3

[untold gorge]

as soon as "paladin palace" clubhouse is out im jumping ship lol

[strong terrace]

Quad size 3

[untold gorge]

with my non functional escape pods

[night cipher]

said that

they’re the two on sides right

2 4x s3

[strong terrace]

Ah mb misread

[night cipher]

is that all the guns?

i think so

[untold gorge]

pds i guess

[strong terrace]

147 dps on the pds

and they aren't consistently firing on ships non-stop

[night cipher]

yeah but they got 1.2km range nobody’s getting shot by those

[strong terrace]

They are useless for anything except shield poking

[night cipher]

literally just for defence

[strong terrace]

in a serious fight

[untold gorge]

yeah for guarding it when its parked on a planet and your in a bunker

or whatever

[night cipher]

while i’m retrieving my box delivery more like

[strong terrace]

The polaris has 7 manned turret positions

[untold gorge]

anything more demanding would cause a power outage

[strong terrace]

8 if you include the torpedo bay

[night cipher]

LMAO

[strong terrace]

With today's loadout, entirely fitted to attritions for simplicity, the fully crewed polaris loses to a hammerhead in turretDPS by 2k

[night cipher]

😭😭😭

[night cipher]

not bad tbf you could prob one shot the HH since it has no PDS unless the gunners are on the ball

but the coverage of polaris won’t get you on target to the same thing anyway

[strong terrace]

Any smart "large" ship will hug tightly into the polaris like its life depends on it

[night cipher]

they really are just a deterrent

not a great one but

[night cipher]

yeah to break its lock range

but any smart polaris captain would stay far away

[strong terrace]

Yeah and after that it's a slugfest currently for the polaris

it would only win currently due to its insane hull hp

[night cipher]

and it’s ares hiding in the hangar carrying it

[strong terrace]

A hammerhead would absolutely demolish the ares trying something though 😦

[night cipher]

yer

still would do more damage than the polaris before it dies

[strong terrace]

But as usual, the ones to kill the polaris won't really be large ships..

[night cipher]

pilot respawns in the polaris to uh do smth idk

[strong terrace]

It'll be the fucking f7a's and the f8c's for the hundreth time

[night cipher]

it’ll be tom in his F8C

with his wingman gary in the f7a

[strong terrace]

The huge blindspot in the back, unless the PDC just decides to "go ham always", can theoretically make you soloable by a single f7a mk2 with aloooot of patience

And i dont mean solo polaris here, i mean crewed

It's such a large blindspot

Simply because the missile turret cant do ANYTHING to protect itself 😭

in a perfect world for the polaris rn, i'd love to see it have some turret firepower so it doesn't become a loot pinata.. And for big ship combat, i think taking out the PDC's then launching torpedoes could be a really fun way to balance the polaris against bigger ships

Against smaller ships it should be able to defend itself well, but it's speed will make it unable to chase after smaller enemies' ship to balance that

[untold gorge]

didnt @fierce arrow try that and get obliterated by one pitch change from the polaris

[strong terrace]

ngl that clip cracks me up

does someone have it

[night cipher]

that’s cuz brist is silly and went too low

if you went up higher the missile turret would shoot its whopping 12 missiles

[untold gorge]

#star-citizen message

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and you can just click H and J

and then you’d be safe when it runs out

[night cipher]

you already can destroy PDCs im pretty sure

[strong terrace]

Yeah!

I just hope that this is the way the polaris will "wreck" bigger ships

disable some guns/pdcs on one side, then unleash the payload

[night cipher]

i managed to knock one off my phoenixs roof while exiting the hangar so they must have a HP pool

[night cipher]

yeah

[strong terrace]

Will add more intent and tactic to it, rather then it either being completely useless or completely OP

[night cipher]

i guess that’s what the S6 is for

taking out defences

the rest are just defence ngl

but to use the S6 you have to be closer than torp range

so it’s like

😐

[strong terrace]

Yeah.. :/

It's supposed to have good enough turret firepower to hold it's own against other cap ships, as CIG stated

This is simply not true, it doesn't hold a candle to something like an idris

Only the torpedos have good damage on the polaris

[night cipher]

which get shot down by PDCs

it’s tricky cuz

you nerf PDCs

polaris dies to eclipse with ease

you don’t nerf PDCs

polaris is useless unless against large ships

without them

[strong terrace]

The only answer here is to buff polaris power plant and turret sizes

Other ships will still be able to meticulously take out the polaris' PDC's to kill it themselves (thats if they even need to finish it with torps.. )

And the polaris will be able to attack other cap ships without just dumping its payload to zero effect and running away

Once that s6 is out of ammo you might aswell call it quits

[untold gorge]

"polaris will be balanced soon after release, it was just rushed for IAE"

remember the last time they said balance was coming quickly after the game changing flight model update?

half bake a feature to piss everyone off and then leave it to rot for years

[strong terrace]

Only reason i have faith that polaris will get a "light second pass", is because we're missing an entire room

Not missing any room functionality, just straight up an entire room

[rigid brook]

Did they say that somewhere?

[hallow rose]

I just looked at erkuls ptu stats for the polaris and holy heck shes durable.. lots of HP and shield, goodness

[strong terrace]

One Aurora 😎

[green herald]

I mean, that isn't entirely ridiculous, a large mass of explosives hitting the hull would be far more damaging than a projectile

However one hit by an A-1 bomb is ridiculous

[rigid brook]

Also remember hp doesn’t mean a thing when engineering comes

They literally disabled Polaris fuses cause the ship was too easy to disable

[patent galleon]

1 (2x S6) on the nose
2x (4x S4) on the top
3x (4x S3) two on the sides and one on the lower rear
1x (12xS2 Missiles) on the top rear
1x (16xS3 Missiles) controlled by the pilot and co-pilot
And at least 6 S1 PDCs

[rigid brook]

And what it should have at least bare minimum
Nose dual size 6
Top dual size 5
Side hull quad size 4
Rear top and bottom turret quad size 4
Missile turret moved to front of hangar and another one added to belly both controlled by same seat

[patent galleon]

I am somewhat worried about how they'll balance component damage when it gets properly implemented. Most ships cluster their components together in an engineering room.

[rigid brook]

And Polaris is 25% reactor and weaker then normal cap armor, oof Polaris is joke now wait for engineering lol

[patent galleon]

So unless they're primarily linked to hitboxes externally that correspond to the various internal components you'll basically be shooting one chunk of space on most ships

[proper junco]

fuse gameplay is bad

remove it for all ships

[night cipher]

shall we just scrap engineering - CIG Tech engineer

[patent galleon]

I like the fuses with the assumption that they're part of wider variety of activities to do as an engineering player. Having multiple levels of deterioration isn't a bad thing.
The way the boxes are just glued into corridors ain't great though.

[proper junco]

The way they re breakables aint great. Id prefer if they were circuit breakers instead or an actual engineering panel where u can mess with the components theyre connected to like overloading or underloading or even overriding

Like turning gravity on or off in that section of the ship, lights, life support, or even something more creative

[patent galleon]

We do get the engineering panel as well to let you do that.

[night cipher]

i’m gonna need to have 2000 fuses on my ship

[patent galleon]

So the fuses are in addition to that.

Circuit breakers would be a lot more convenient and less prep-worky while still giving the Engineer a reason to run around tapping buttons I'll give you that.

[proper junco]

Outlast trials style tinkering on generator objectives lol

[patent galleon]

But I do also like the idea of prepwork providing you extra redundancy that the fuses give + the ability for a boarding party to sabotage or just shoot them out if they can't get to an engineering terminal/can't hack them.

[proper junco]

For sure but only in fps

Its just weird how one lucky bullet can disable a whole section of the ship if it hits a fuse

[night cipher]

could also have that with breaker boxes being shot or switched off

[proper junco]

Hell we can have both fuses and breakers

With fuses adding redundancy but you still have a breaker

[patent galleon]

You do have a fair bit of redundancy with that though, at least in the engineering tests you needed to fully disable 1 fuse box on either side of the A2 to disable power to the components.

iirc each of the powerplant routed through at least two of the relays? Not too sure.

They shouldn't have them on any ship smaller than a Connie in my opinion thouugh, the small ships with them only have one fuse box connecting everything.

Which doesn't seem conducive to any sort of thought process when doing gameplay other than "add extra fuses to the box"

[proper junco]

Eventually fuses are gonna run out in stock

Too

[night cipher]

yeah it’s gonna be a bs mechanic

[proper junco]

A way to repair those boxes out of combat or at least a way to slowly get it back up would be nice thus i was suggesting a circuit breaker

[patent galleon]

I'd hope they're an easy craftable once we get them. Given you can craft a hot dog I'm assuming not every recipe will need a bulky crafting module only found in large ships or bases.

[proper junco]

I forgot what crafting stations were gonna be like ngl

[patent galleon]

Something that if you do get stranded you can jury rig up with common materials.

[night cipher]

easily could place a fuse crafter in the polaris

granted there’s no engineering office unlike the carrack

[patent galleon]

Or even with RCM you salvage from your ships hull.

[night cipher]

but i’m sure there is room

opposite torp firing panel for example

i think it dips back a little

[proper junco]

Amogus gameplay in sc

[patent galleon]

Yeah given the cargo bay if those things are mobile you should be able to fit a crafting station, and they can probably stick something for basic maintenance in there for engineering.

[somber wren]

Engineering should have some basic machinery for creating spare parts/repairs

[proper junco]

Material gathering in this game is gonna be a pain seeing as u need a vehicle for anything 1scu or more

[patent galleon]

My hope is that once we get crafting it's not a pain to do that requires specialised stuff you need to buy, and that it feeds into loops like engineering.
Popping out of your ship to scrape away your own armour/hull so you can then craft a missing fuse and repair your damaged components would give you the avenue to limp away or even recover from a proper soft-kill or crash.
Of course while that's the hopium, I'm pretty sure we're going to see a lot more janky ass half-implementations before this stuff becomes remotely close to a possibility.

[proper junco]

Fuse box + circuit breaker pls. Make the circuit breaker your last fall back manual repair by hand option and fuses your quick repair option

The amogus minigames should add to engineering

[fierce arrow]

Nuh uh!

[patent galleon]

The worst part about this is that were this game one made by people that was satisfied with making life easier for themselves this would actually be a great way to do it because then your NPC engineering crews when added in don't need some weird complicated behaviour. They can just walk over and have a fixed chance/time taken on the minigame depending on their skill level.

[night cipher]

ngl i’ll probably just get an idris K and upgrade it to an M with shipyards when it comes out

for now polaris is good enough meh entry level capital for a small org platform

it’ll do for now and pyro

but

i probably won’t have it forever

especially as the groups getting larger

i remember when a percy was gonna be my biggest ship with 3-4people

now we have enough to fully man a HH

[strong terrace]

I thought about it too, but honestly the polaris is probably the perfect size capital ship where it's reasonable enough to crew it without having huge org logistics hamper it

[night cipher]

yeah

[strong terrace]

Idris is cool, but it's not cool to have to arrange some 20 people to stay on the ship and some 5-8 other people to fly ships around it

[night cipher]

maybe soon a javelin who knows

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yeah

[strong terrace]

If there was actually stuff to do in larger ships, like engineering, rearming, refueling, crafting, etc

Like how barotrauma does it..

CIG could tempt me to get a larger cap

but right now i dont have the faith, and the polaris will do nicely

Still kinda bummed it's so weak!

[night cipher]

or the paladin lol

but it’s far out

[strong terrace]

The paladin would have to seriously be amazing for me to melt or upgrade to it

If its just a contender for perseus, i'll choose the perseus instead

[night cipher]

yeah unless it’s a contender with a medbay

then well

[strong terrace]

Perseus has lower crew count, like 3-5? i think it was, and the guns would probably be fun to sit in

[night cipher]

cig knows how to get our money

[night cipher]

3-6

4 people easily could run it

[strong terrace]

Unlike most multicrew ships where the guns are an afterthought

[night cipher]

3 absolute minimum

[strong terrace]

If the polaris truly becomes a moving pinata i'll "jump ship" to perseus and call it a day and let the other 1000's of people who have the polaris enjoy it

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[strong terrace]

Atleast the perseus has a gimmick that seems reliable

[night cipher]

yeah

maybe

[strong terrace]

But then again we dont know anything about the perseus, how it'll be in-game

[night cipher]

limited by no medbay small cargo poor PDT coverage

no brig but that’s not major

[strong terrace]

inb4 150 shots in bespoke ballistic, or 3 shots in lazer bespoke

[night cipher]

and no hangar obvs

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they’d prob give the guns 50 ammo knowing cig

[strong terrace]

Perseus dont need medbay where its going though..

[night cipher]

it does when a turret is blown off with a crewman in it

[strong terrace]

I had that happen in my polaris during testing earlier today, just sent me out of it

Unless they plan to make it more.. "explosive"

[night cipher]

probably

[strong terrace]

So fucking bitter about the size 3 turrets on a cap shit

typo but valid

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[strong terrace]

Like.. the starlancer tac gets size 5 manned turrets

But not the military capital corvette

[night cipher]

yep

[strong terrace]

Can't wait for the Q n' A on the polaris

[rigid brook]

Cargo bay big enough for nursa, in a 1v1 highly likely can beat a Polaris cause Polaris is pretty pathetic and the pdc can still probably deal with Polaris torps, brig is gimmick

[night cipher]

cargo bay gonna be full of ballistic ammo and torps

probably food and repair material like fuses too

[rigid brook]

Probably more than enough space for all that but either way that’s all 10 years out

[night cipher]

yeah

also wouldn’t like to respawn in a t3 :/

probs 5km range and really poor blueprint regeneration quality

[rigid brook]

Nobody is gonna fully stock their ship when engineering comes and things are just easier to kill especially a Polaris

[night cipher]

i finna be missing an arm and lose 90% of my genetic template

so my character dies permanently next time

[night cipher]

not at the start no but future if they go through with some of this stuff

i really do wish they skipped DOASM

but not up to me

[night cipher]

polaris will definitely lose if perseus gets close enough to void locks from polaris

and if it doesn’t should still be fine

but you’d expect that

just the way the polaris is built for light capital armour probably not much heavier than super heavy armour of the percy of its size

capital shield the only thing saving it but rn ballistics have shield pen

idk if that will stay but

right now anyway

aside from that polaris got a s6 and maybe the two top turrets that can go for the percy

polaris will just become a bullet sponge until someone wins

probably the ship with the better engineer

or engineers

polaris will be harder to fix once it starts having issues vs percy

percy will just have to worry about hull HP

polaris could lose its whole bridge crew from one torp or s7 missile to the nose

makes no sense that even future glass is invincible

no matter in what universe with ultra mega bulletproof or explosion proof glass it will still never be as strong as a solid wall or smth

that’s why blast shields exist on carrack, fury mx and the tevarin ships

[night cipher]

terrapin and cutter too if those tiny sun blockers count

soz for rant i’m just farming messages atp mb

[fierce arrow]

Agreed!

[night cipher]

they could easily make backspacing or suicide unappealing by making insurance more taxing which they already are and also respawn ranges of beds, importing a proper medical system would help too

no need for perma death

[fierce arrow]

Agreed. I think that they could even just make it cost a percentage of your money GTA style, 10% or so. That would be far better.

10% T1.
20% T2.
30% T3.