Polaris Palooza

[fierce arrow]

???

[patent galleon]

And the fact that the Polaris is thick and you can't look downwards through the ship

[fierce arrow]

The LF might get shot down!

[opaque rain]

well that's called a goddamn skill issue

the game does not need to account for your skill issue

and even without a fighter if you and a crewed polaris cannot deal with a mantis that guy is a fucking legend, just get over it

holy moly why do you need your $750 video game item to completely be invulnerable and destroy everything in the game

that's not a fun game

i don't get it

they literally said light fighters are the counters to this thing

like what are you upset about

[patent galleon]

If your fighter (which can be anything froma Fury to a goddamn F8C) gets shot down by a single Mantis who also has to worry about keeping in the blindspots of the Polaris' 6 gun turrets and single Missile turret and the others can't do anything about him for 6 hours then he deserves the kill

[opaque rain]

yes

jesus h christ yes

[fierce arrow]

Not invincible. Just $750 not losing to $70.

[fierce arrow]

Why and how?

[fierce arrow]

What if the Mantis just... stays 15 km away.

[opaque rain]

yeah well womp womp money does not straight up buy you into winning the game so sad

[opaque rain]

you must literally not be reading

[fierce arrow]

Well why TF not?

[patent galleon]

Fighter

[opaque rain]

because this isn't a competition of who's paying more

you're paying for the capability of taking 12 people on your ship

that guy with the $70 ship needs his friends to also have $70 ships

[patent galleon]

Have you... not looked at the Polaris? It's pretty clear from the exterior model where the turrets won't be able to shoot.

[opaque rain]

you're paying for the ability to access different gameplay loops, not the ability to murder everyone with no goddamn consequences

[fierce arrow]

That is true. But... Why was it removed!?!

[opaque rain]

in the name of walter white and his associates what is this discussion

yeah true

i've never seen him not ragebait

[fierce arrow]

Fake News!

[clear stag]

It stopped being funny weeks ago

[fierce arrow]

Just... why TF does it not have a top turret, like, what is the reasoning?

It can have vulnerabilities without being completely rediculous.

It doesn't need a giant shoot here sign.

[opaque rain]

i've literally sent bristerian actual information from the wiki and they still gaslit me saying i was the wrong one

[opaque rain]

you must actually be an npc if you're going to just sit there while a mantis shoots away at you

like

you deserve it if a mantis kills you in a polaris

im confident that if im solo in a polaris i could walk turret to turret or get my light fighter out and kill that cunt all on my own

[patent galleon]

Behold, more blindspots. This is perfectly normal for a ship this size

[clear stag]

As long as the fix the actual issues brought up in issue council I’m fine everything else is skill issues

[opaque rain]

if you're worried about a crewed polaris dying to a mantis you have a skill issue

[opaque rain]

like the carrack literally exists no

and it's supposed to be a military explorer

that thing got more blind spots than it has turret coverage

[clear stag]

The power situation and the size 6 being doodoo are my main ones

[opaque rain]

doesnt the carrack straight up not have a gun on the bottom or am i misremembering

[patent galleon]

Behold, top section coverage

[clear stag]

That too it should at least get double

I’d go full ballistics if we had a way to fucking reload them lol

[patent galleon]

With the Missile and two Top turrets which don't have a rotation restriction, I'd argue that Polaris has better coverage up top.

[opaque rain]

would swapping out the guns by hand not reload them

i mean that wont work in combat but still

[patent galleon]

Though that's coupled with less PDTs/

[clear stag]

The time sink in a extended combat situation just aren’t going to work and how much storage will back up guns costs

[opaque rain]

polaris has perfectly fine coverage for what it is, bristerian is just being bristerian

[clear stag]

Typical origin enjoyers

[patent galleon]

I still haven't seen Brist make a single good take

[opaque rain]

literally

look in the galaxy chat, at some point he literally argues apollo is a better galaxy with me

[patent galleon]

I remember that lmao

[opaque rain]

ye that discussion lives in my head rent free bro it was insane

tbh it should just be s7

[fierce arrow]

"Drake is bad."

[opaque rain]

wasn't it concepted s7

[fierce arrow]

Yes! this!

[clear stag]

Original

[opaque rain]

no, his point still stands

[clear stag]

pretty sure I can fit 4 arrows in the cargo and 2 f7as in the hanger if you can’t deal with threats with that than you’re crew just ain’t gonna make it

Oh based

You have a literal fighter wing

[fierce arrow]

Polaris torpedos and guns are bad.
See,, I do make good takes!

[clear stag]

Please don’t talk to me

[fierce arrow]

Or... even S6? because it is currently S5.

[opaque rain]

based

like

bro just called the current most powerful player ownable ship that's flyable "bad"

[fierce arrow]

Most powerful, yes. Defeatable by a LF, also yes. I suppose I am disapointed is all.

[opaque rain]

broeqwio[pbcjnv o[evjo[qwjv[dqwdw

who defeating a polaris with a lf

[fierce arrow]

Maybe the shoulder turrets can shoot backwards at a flat angle?

[opaque rain]

jesus christ you're actually a troll

[fierce arrow]

That's it. Get on PTU.

I am the LF. Fite me!

[opaque rain]

im not going to get my ass out of my warm comfy bed to prove you wrong my friend

[fierce arrow]

Because even I can do this with releative eaze.

[opaque rain]

and remember, i was talking about a crewed polaris

but i probably wont even need a crew to get you

simply with how much you're underestimating the polaris

[fierce arrow]

Back it up. I will even use my Arrow which I hate.

[patent galleon]

There's actually very few blindspots from the top/bottom.

[fierce arrow]

Then just grab Nori and Cuddly.

[opaque rain]

again, not gettin outta bed for that one chief

[fierce arrow]

Ok, well, then it's not so bad.

[opaque rain]

i don't care to prove you wrong

[opaque rain]

1 extra person is enough bro

[fierce arrow]

Keep dreaming friend. Back it up?

[opaque rain]

you know what

you wanna get on and get on a gun

i kinda wanna prove him wrong

[clear stag]

Rest easy friend

[opaque rain]

no no

imma do this thing first quick then you guys can do your thing

im gonna get out of bed for it

[fierce arrow]

Polaris and a fighter vs me and my friend in fighters.

[opaque rain]

nuh uh

we never said fighters buddy

[fierce arrow]

Ok. Well...

[opaque rain]

look up and see where i used plural

[fierce arrow]

Where is your crew?

[opaque rain]

the classic bristerian switcheroo

[fierce arrow]

Ok but... you guys will die very fast.

[opaque rain]

honestly i don't know if i should get out of bed for it

[fierce arrow]

Well, tomorrow also works.

[opaque rain]

fam tomorrow i got 6 hours of lab and 2 exams

[fierce arrow]

Well what did you have in mind? Because 1 vs a crewed polaris is still a slaughter since I can just... hide from all the weapons!

[opaque rain]

ok thats it

[fierce arrow]

Ok. well... soon. Soon I will prove my point whenever you are ready.

[opaque rain]

@rain carbon plz hop on

you gonna have to gun i've literally not touched turrets since the rework

[opaque rain]

im gonna make tea so i can sip it while you cry

its fine

trust

[fierce arrow]

This is where I prove that I am right.

[opaque rain]

well you're versing a guy who literally does not do combat of any sort and a gunner

i can always use that as an out if we do end up dying but in the most likely scenario where you die that's gonna be a bummer for you

[fierce arrow]

Then grab a bigger crew. No outs this time. I want my rear turret and it is dumb that I cannot have it.

[opaque rain]

yeah i'm pretty sure we can kill you with 1 turret manned

[opaque rain]

can we do that in AC

aight

[fierce arrow]

Are we doing this in AC...?

IGN is Bristerian

[opaque rain]

im not getting into pu for this shit

wanna hop in vc or you think we good

[patent galleon]

Do remember that the turrets are currently bugged and both their gimballs and targeting pips aren't working.

[opaque rain]

what the fuck

[patent galleon]

It's a WIP Polaris issue.

[fierce arrow]

I invited you.

[patent galleon]

So you guys are operating with no pips and no accurate targeting systems.

[opaque rain]

panther or rhino @rain carbon

ok everything is rhino

idk how any of this works so lets see

im not lobby owner

@fierce arrow

bruh bristerian just left

[fierce arrow]

How do I make this work?

You guys host and invite me.

[opaque rain]

just did

also i literally dont have my hotas set up and it's a pain to fly with a mouse

[fierce arrow]

I am in an Arrow. This is where you die!

[patent galleon]

Oh Megxde, if you're piloting use the Co-Pilot seat. Both it and the Pilot have missile control, but Pilot lacks UI in missile mode for some reason

[fierce arrow]

No. Probably not.

[opaque rain]

if you use fighter it's too easy

we're making a point hold up

get in game im starting

yea

[fierce arrow]

I can't respawn.

[opaque rain]

so one gunner polaris vs an arrow with half the turrets not working kills an arrow

[fierce arrow]

Whatevs. You win fairly.

[opaque rain]

btw mid fight he went top turret but it had no pips so

you were long dead if the thing had pips

[fierce arrow]

I know that. But like... It didn't help much.

[opaque rain]

cuz i would have just went on a top turret while he was on the bottom and you'd die before even figuring out what was going on

[opaque rain]

you literally died to the bottom back turret of a polaris

[fierce arrow]

Riiggghhhhttttt.

[fierce arrow]

Yes. I am well aware.

[opaque rain]

while i literally could not freelook around btw so most of the time i had no clue where you were

because i don't have my hotas setup

so, you see the point now im hoping

[fierce arrow]

Bleugh!

[opaque rain]

womp to the womp

im saving this clip

every time bristerian rage baits me

im sending it

[fierce arrow]

Nooooo

[patent galleon]

Hahahahaha

[novel remnant]

Reading all of this with the ending was a great story. Enjoyed.

[opaque rain]

i try not to spew bullshit

[novel remnant]

Reads like a novel where the MC gets verbally slighted over and over and gets tired of it. MC and has to get out of bed, do their training arc and slay the demon king.

[opaque rain]

lul

[patent galleon]

The sounds of the point defense blasting missiles out of the sky is very satisfying as well

[fierce arrow]

I am not the demon king.

[opaque rain]

you most definitely are not

[untold gorge]

aurora ramming is caused by shit server dsync

the aurora reaches a speed faster than server fps and can phase into the polaris, but when server fps catches up is realises two ships are occupying the same space and blow them both up due to collision

so even capital armour wont solve that problem if servers stay shit

[fierce arrow]

I am however a King.

[untold gorge]

15/20 of the top trending on issue council are about the polaris

[clear stag]

I’ve been upvoting everyone too

Could someone whenever they get time test how many arrows we could shove in the cargo? Would mean a lot debating if I should outfit my new bois with arrows instead of the Titan deal

[untold gorge]

does pisces red fit in cargo?

[tender pagoda]

yes

[untold gorge]

hell yeah

[opaque rain]

that's a stretch

[patent galleon]

King of bad takes and misinformation yes

[rigid brook]

It’ll be fine dude I think cig knows Polaris has bad turrets and bad turret coverage, which is why they left the door open with the comment about “looking into further up gunning in the future” combined with the fact they haven’t decided yet whether they’ll leave pdc to shoot at ships or not which they will probably to help with the blind spots and bad turret overlap

[clear stag]

I’m fine with blind spots as long as I have a enough fucking power to use the turrets properly lol

A power plant that big shouldn’t have any issues especially with the built in hot tub for the homies

[west imp]

The s6 turret is a joke, and a nuclear reactor not producing much energy is stupid

It shouldn’t have to worry about basic systems running out of available power to spread evenly

[night cipher]

this

a third of the ship is the engineering/reactor

and it's got less power pips than a redeemer

hello cig I'd like to have a talk

[patent galleon]

I'm fine with having to balance pips and turn off some extrenous stuff like the tractor beam to maximise combat efficiency.

It's a gameplay thing, but imo the unupgraded default Polaris should run with more power, so that blades and stuff can add on the balancing act.

The capacitors are the real issue atm, they're absolutely miniscule.

[night cipher]

yeah

[patent galleon]

You can max out Shields and either Engines or Weapons by turning off the tractor beam and life support. So power plant isnt that huge an issue for me.

But even at full power the weapon capacitors are tiny.

Getting two shots per gun on your top turrets at the default power allocation, and like 5 or 6 at most is sad.

[night cipher]

love how in lore they made the ship to combat the vanduul

and its just mid

LOL

they will definetly buff it after all this feedback

[patent galleon]

It's not really mid, just has some issues which are probably due to the whole parallel development thing. MFD2.0 also had a soft introduction of Engineering power allocation to go with it, and when it dropped I recall it fucked over the Hammerhead's capacitors as well.

What used to be each turret having it's own became the ship splitting them across all turrets which messed with things.

[patent galleon]

It does really well in Vanduul swarm lmao, they Vanduul can barely hurt it in that gamemode unless they ram.

You can just sit there for like 40 waves without much major hull damage.

[night cipher]

that's funny, people in pirate swarm said it was really bad

[brazen eagle]

cannot wait to see Polaris vs BMM fight

[fierce arrow]

I’d win.

[fierce arrow]

Ok but like… The Vanduul can’t hurt it even if they ram. I was rammed by a Prospector and an Aurora and took no damage.

[proper junco]

Gib s7 turrets

If a minelayer can have s7 main guns why cant a Corvette have em

[rigid brook]

so wait i saw a video of nova tank not fitting in polaris but people in the comments say you can remove the dual barrel laser mg thing on top and it fits, is this true?

[sharp raven]

But its not

My friend switched them out for attrition 6’s

They work

And work well

Now are you SUPPOSED to switch em out? No

Here they are:

[lament thunder]

theyre 100% not meant to be swapped out but you can

super fun to use

[untold gorge]

if they did that, then wouldn't people be ripping the stat bumped s6s off a Polaris to put on other ships?

[lament thunder]

I think the intention is that people just cant touch them at all

[untold gorge]

oh right lol, so make them part of the ship and give them better stats

[lament thunder]

the actual item when you take them off is just a barrel

[lament thunder]

yeah

[untold gorge]

gotcha

are these the first size 6 guns in the game?

ares has a s7

but nothing has s6 yet afaik

[mossy yoke]

so can the hangar allready rearm and refeul?

[patent galleon]

No

[untold gorge]

Wtf? I thought that was a feature

[patent galleon]

They haven't implemented manual refueling and rearming yet.

And I haven't been able to do hangar services while in there, which makes sense given that's generally for automated procedures at stations rather than on ships.

[proper junco]

what if u were in the station inside the Polaris

[unique oriole]

My friend did it once in an f7 i believe

[mossy yoke]

so ill need to try myself i guess

[fierce arrow]

https://youtu.be/cq1IgDTW8hU

[untold gorge]

Damn the Polaris is looking to be kind of a flop in ptu

[night cipher]

yep

[untold gorge]

Very low power output, weak shields, main dual gun does less damage than ballistic f7a, can get 1 shot by a s10 missile

And then only 300 unreloadable shots on a main ballistic cannon for a long range patrol capital? What a joke

Let’s hope they clean it up for live

[night cipher]

LOL the switch up is insane

[night cipher]

they will I'm sure

[untold gorge]

No, you were yapping about giving it dual size 7s and other stuff not needed

The main issue is probably the power output at the moment which you didn’t have an issue with

[somber wren]

dual s7 would be nice

[fierce arrow]

Well it obviously is.

[fierce arrow]

Power output is fine. Not great but fine.

Max out the shields and then balance engines and weapons.

[untold gorge]

Why do we need dual s7s??

[fierce arrow]

Because the S6s suck.

[untold gorge]

Yeah buff them

[fierce arrow]

Like… I couldn’t kill an Aurora and a Prospector on an illegal monitor mission.

[fierce arrow]

So… then what?

[untold gorge]

Only because they’re built around a single one like an a10 warthog

[fierce arrow]

Nautilus has 1 and it’s a support ship.

[somber wren]

s7 Is meant to be the basic anti-cap size, given this is a capital ship focused on killing other capital ships, it would make sense to have one

[untold gorge]

Have the bespoke s6 duals do more damage, but less than a s7

[fierce arrow]

Also this.

[untold gorge]

The torps are what makes the Polaris dangerous to caps though

[fierce arrow]

Or make them… non bespoke. Currently they do as much damage as a S5.

[untold gorge]

Yeah I know they need to be fixed but not upgunned to s7 I don’t think

[somber wren]

Think of it like this. Modern destroyers primarily use missiles to threaten and kill other ships of their size, but they have a gun for redundancy

[fierce arrow]

Constellation and Starfarer were the OG caps.

[fierce arrow]

Exactly.

[somber wren]

The gun also provides more flexibility in usage

[fierce arrow]

Shush.

A S7 would have let you do that sooner. Or even a better S6.

Ok… here me out: Spinal S8.

Beam Laser.

[untold gorge]

I want an anvil cap with a beam laser like the idris has a railgun

Takes crazy power, overheats with too much use or something

[fierce arrow]

RSI does it better.

[night cipher]

ship explodes if you let it overheat 🔥🔥🙏🏻

[fierce arrow]

Just… buy an Idris K.

[untold gorge]

Yeah I’m guessing anvil cap at iae as well

[fierce arrow]

Huh??

[untold gorge]

Announcement I mean

[untold gorge]

Rail gun is boring, like shooting a potato gun

[somber wren]

I'm in the rambling mood, but polaris is often thought of as a submarine which is somewhat flawed. A submarine (like our dear Polly), uses torpedos for its primary form of damage, but submarines also are built to not be detected, which our Polaris is not.

thanks for coming to the ted talk

[night cipher]

K has pew pew pew laser shots not a solid beam

M has KABOOM

[untold gorge]

That’s because the devs talk about it like a submarine lol

[fierce arrow]

The K has a laser.

[untold gorge]

Really???

[fierce arrow]

No… it does not. It’s literally the only beam laser currently available.

[fierce arrow]

M has railgun. K has Beam Laser.

[night cipher]

you sure? have you seen it used?

[fierce arrow]

Pros: so powerful, you’ll have to disable your shields.
Cons: so powerful, you’ll have to disable your shields.

[fierce arrow]

No but thats all thats been said.

[untold gorge]

Like a constant laser stream? Beam weapon?

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

[somber wren]

Which is straight up unfortunate. It's much more like a modern destroyer or frigate :(((

[untold gorge]

Give the Polaris 3k detection range and no lockon alarm and call it a day

[night cipher]

just make it invisible

[somber wren]

That coupled with stealth systems and more reliable torpedos

ez space sub

[fierce arrow]

More reliable torpedos, yes. Stealth systems: no.

[untold gorge]

Yeah kind of has an identity crisis

[night cipher]

and invincible

[untold gorge]

Submarine that has a capital class signature

[night cipher]

and s10s torps travel as fast as a laser repeater

[somber wren]

however we do not have cool space sub, so we're stuck with modern frigate/destroyer

[somber wren]

dont forget they cause emp damage

I'm more talking about how easy they are to defeat with countermeasures

[night cipher]

yes yes

[fierce arrow]

Retaliator…?

[night cipher]

remove radar station that doesn't work at back of bridge and give QED too

[fierce arrow]

In what way?

[night cipher]

100km range

[fierce arrow]

But… decoys.

[somber wren]

i also think it needs a cap ship size tractor beam to pull things into the hangar

[untold gorge]

Wait will we be able to test Polaris against Idris soon? Like the ones you glitch into

[night cipher]

huh? we talking about QEDs here

[fierce arrow]

Why would we want a 100km QED?

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

[untold gorge]

Hell yeah can’t wait for some footage

[night cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-chat-hello-chat-sw-star-wars-battlefront-gif-1938605560562163363

like a star destroyer tractor beam

🔥

[somber wren]

yeah that would unironically be fire asf

[untold gorge]

Because the stolen idris guns are all manned, fully crewed Polaris vs stolen Idris would be epic

[night cipher]

why wouldn't you?

[somber wren]

polaris needs to be able to solo fullcrew jav

[untold gorge]

Side note we need way cooler effects coming into and out of quantum for capitals

[somber wren]

All of them?

[fierce arrow]

Sounds too difficult to escape from. Especially when a friend gets bored and has too fly 100km to log off.

[untold gorge]

Should make a massive noise and flash

[night cipher]

you never cease to confuse me, difficult to escape from is the whole point

[somber wren]

polaris should be god king of ships

[night cipher]

also make all weapons pilot controlled

[somber wren]

size increase to 7 km

[night cipher]

remove hangar camera and add S3 turret inside

to kill boarders

that try to sneak in while hangar closing

[somber wren]

also add in titan suit storage

[night cipher]

add Tesla gates to all doors

need crew id badge to go through

else it's instant death

[fierce arrow]

…

[fierce arrow]

Noooo

[somber wren]

It will already be able to solo your jav since you plan on solo crewing it

[fierce arrow]

Fake News!

[somber wren]

It was fact checked by TRUE UEE patriots

[fierce arrow]

You Are Fake News!

[night cipher]

you are fake, what else is news!

[opaque rain]

bro it aint a cargo ship

what do you need a cap size tractor beam for

jesus

[opaque rain]

honestly that would be goated

[opaque rain]

bristerian your takes are weird my man

you know that QED's can be turned off ye

[fierce arrow]

Yes… but that would also let pray escape.

[opaque rain]

why is your buddy logging in the middle of goddamn combat #@#@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@@##@#@#@#

[fierce arrow]

Literally me one time because I got bored.

[opaque rain]

then just fly a 100km

it takes like one entire minute

[night cipher]

yea but very busted LOL

[opaque rain]

who cares

it's got a goddamn nuclear reactor it got the juice to power a QED

if they wastin all that space for a nuclear reactor better make use of it

[night cipher]

not me!!!

[opaque rain]

either use the nuclear reactor for some useful shit or remove it and make it useful space

[somber wren]

lol i was joking

[opaque rain]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

that flew over my head

[fierce arrow]

No?

[opaque rain]

ok bristerian

average bristerian huge L take

[fierce arrow]

Bristerian only makes W takes.

[opaque rain]

in your goddamn dreams

[somber wren]

it's okay, polaris is a stealth ship now so it is working as intended

[opaque rain]

lul

[amber breach]

??

[fierce arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cope-cursed-gif-25667684

[amber breach]

he pretty much always has terrible takes lol

[fierce arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/megumin-elmo-elmo-rise-fire-flames-gif-19598540

[dim narwhal]

A gun, not a very big one like others that rely on ballistics do, so it fits the polaris.

And I would compare it more to a sub, the lack of stealth is the only reason it wouldn't be considered a submarine. Even then could be done with some modifications to parts and rerouting power.

[rigid brook]

Gone but never forgotten

[proper junco]

another polaris performance pass

time to test it bois

[fierce arrow]

Polaris Captains Quarters yet?

[untold gorge]

any polaris balance changes?

[fierce arrow]

New S6 gun?

[proper junco]

heh

they could specifically say Polaris client performance or smth

[untold gorge]

the whole game runs like shit why would they care about polaris

[proper junco]

although it was bundled along with the other passes so it could be implied it was in the context belonging with said group

[fierce arrow]

Because the Polaris is why it runs badly.

[proper junco]

at this point it needs s7 guns

hell they dont even need to change the sizing if they just called it "Polaris bespoked main guns"

[fierce arrow]

IT really does.

[fierce arrow]

That's what they are called... and they hit like a bad S5.

[proper junco]

and just up the numbers or smth

[untold gorge]

ur telling me a military capital ship has to manually switch out its cannons to reload by hand?

[proper junco]

SAEF super destroyer cannons we re apparently barrel loaded

[opaque rain]

it's insane to me that i have 15% gpu usage in this game

[proper junco]

you are simply giga cpu bottlenecked in this game

[untold gorge]

yeah i sit around 30% max gpu and 60% max cpu

nothing being strained and getting 70 frames

[opaque rain]

i have a 3600 and i sit around 70% usage on that too

[untold gorge]

abysmal optimisation

[proper junco]

"capital ship armaments"

[opaque rain]

like it's crazy that i can run cyberpunk ray tracing at 1080@60 (which is the new crysis) but i can't run sc at that

[untold gorge]

what does c2 do with ballistics?

[fierce arrow]

It does not does 3k burst DPS.

Also, are you telling me the Bespoke is S4?

[untold gorge]

so a medium cargo ship with pilot controlled weapons does more damage than a military capital ship with a dedicated (non-pilot controlled) turret?

[fierce arrow]

Polaris Bespoke is S4!?!

[opaque rain]

they don't know how to balance their own goddamn game

[fierce arrow]

Except... it shoots slower than a Rhino by a lot.

[opaque rain]

this is some riot games type shit

[untold gorge]

wtf are they even doing? do they just write down random numbers

[opaque rain]

yes

[fierce arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dcg-dragonclawgames-spin-spinning-wheel-gif-21987668

"It says 3k."

[untold gorge]

theres not a single thing they got right about that dual turret

[untold gorge]

doesnt do s6 damage, barely any rounds, cant be controlled by pilot, cant be reloaded

[fierce arrow]

Oh goodie!

[fierce arrow]

It's not as ugly as it could have been.

[untold gorge]

is the corsair crippled in live servers now?

like you can never use all guns on it?

[fierce arrow]

Yes..

[untold gorge]

lol they really dont want pilots to shoot guns

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

Incase the turret operator becomes incapacitated and a lot of crew dies.

[untold gorge]

polaris is meh but why cant corsair pilot fire all forward facing weapons?

[fierce arrow]

And? Then don't sell it like that.

[untold gorge]

yeah i thought the firepower was going to be balanced out by a weak drake maelstrom hull in the future

[fierce arrow]

It should have been.

[untold gorge]

lol just gotta laugh and remember "its an alpha its not meant to be balanced"

[proper junco]

just remove the 2 s4 guns

it then have the same dps than the connie

[opaque rain]

in theory they would nerf it now to make it balanced and then buff it way back up with maelstrom

but we know cig aint sensible

[proper junco]

unless they are planning to balance ships based on their stock loadout?

[fierce arrow]

That's a Polaris problem. Not a Corsair problen.

[untold gorge]

yeah no capital armour yet

[opaque rain]

honestly i don't know why people think cap ships should have pilot guns

like turrets on the polaris are almost exclusively to engage ships that cannot be shot by torps, which are ships you cannot rate fight against

yes idris has a pilot controlled railgun but that's for engaging cap ships which don't rate fight

[untold gorge]

has anyone tested 5 man polaris vs 5 ballistic f7as? at least semi competent pilots

[opaque rain]

polaris would win imo

if 4 man on turrets

but currently it has pip problems

i think except for like 2 turrets on the polaris all of them are missing pips

[fierce arrow]

Because why shouldn't they?

[opaque rain]

it's useless and stupid

[fierce arrow]

Since when?

[proper junco]

bmm s s8 pilot guns

[opaque rain]

and militaries do not like useless shit

[untold gorge]

what if the pilot wants to shoot something with his guns...

[fierce arrow]

It reduces crew requirements and increases survivability.

[opaque rain]

he better stop bein a pilot and start bein a gunner

[opaque rain]

average horrible bristerian take

[untold gorge]

its forced multicrew dude

[fierce arrow]

I'm right.

[opaque rain]

^

anything you can rate fight in the polaris will die to torps to begin with

adding turrets to pilot make the pilot focus on more than flying, which in the context of a huge battlefield makes their job harder

sucks for solo players but the polaris aint a solo ship

like what ships do you intend on using pilot controlled guns against

idris? other polaris? jav?

[untold gorge]

the torps for one

[opaque rain]

PDS is literally a thing

[proper junco]

aiming and firing forward facing torps

[opaque rain]

you're way better of changing your aspect so more PDS gets angle on the torp

[untold gorge]

no i mean the polaris pilot should have the ability to shoot torps

its arbitrarily restricted to another chair to force multicrew

[opaque rain]

did you not get pds on your polaris

did it not come with one outta the factory or what

[untold gorge]

FIRE TORPEDOS

ITS OWN ONES

[opaque rain]

this still stands

[fierce arrow]

Also correct.

[fierce arrow]

No it does not.

[opaque rain]

you're gonna be way better of focusing on how to give your turrets and PDS better angles than shooting torps

your 7 poor gunners will lose their shit if you focus on torping rather than flying so they can get angles on the f7's rear ending you

[proper junco]

heh the lack of turret coverage on the back was a nerf

there used to be 2 turrets there

[opaque rain]

smaller ships use pilot guns because they don't have so many turrets that the pilot is better off focusing on maneuvering for turret visibility than shooting

[proper junco]

instead of 1 turret and 1 missile pod

[opaque rain]

the argument for pilot controlled guns on anything as big as a polaris is just dumb imo

[rigid brook]

Still no pool table, we truly lost bois

[proper junco]

as dumb as the idris'

real

[opaque rain]

^

plus idris railgun is fixed

[proper junco]

railgun should be a turret controlled by co pilot

[opaque rain]

torps can be fired off boresight

[untold gorge]

so an eclipse but not stealthy

[rigid brook]

Hot take
Dual size 6 nose
Dual size 5 top guns
Quad size 4 side hull guns
Quad size 4 rear top and bottom guns
Remote Missile turret moved to front of hangar and belly controlled by same seat

[opaque rain]

a lot of things in SC are arbitrary, including this, but this one is for good reason

pretty sure they didn't intend it for a good reason and it was arbitrary, but it's a W choice

[opaque rain]

same seat should also control torps and be able to fly

otherwise it's forced multicrew!

[proper junco]

i remember they said torp control could be delegated to another seat

so u have the option to have a dedicated torp operator

[rigid brook]

But eclipse is better at killing Polaris’s then Polaris

[proper junco]

which is better than pilot torping but at the same time doesnt get rid of it

[rigid brook]

Size 3 shouldn’t be on a cap.

[opaque rain]

like the ka-50 irl literally had the problem polaris would have if it had pilot controlled torps or guns

the pilots were literally not able to operate the weapon systems and fly at the same time, on a test they got like 1/24 targets with single seater, literally got to 23 targets on average with double seater

same thing, if pilot needs to focus on torping/gunning also they're gonna die

[rigid brook]

If size 5 is minimum capital penning weapon then size 4 should be the anti fighter and size 5 and up should be its main anti cap guns

[proper junco]

they said that used to be the case

[rigid brook]

So caps nerfed?

[untold gorge]

a helicopter flying through atmo is not the same as a building sized ship floating in 0 gs and rotating around

[proper junco]

idk what they did to gun sizes

[rigid brook]

Tbh I feel like size 6 is the new size 5

[proper junco]

thus the weirdening

[opaque rain]

logic applies imo, fighting is fighting and a polaris pilot does have a lot of workload in a real fight where you have idrises and other polaris and perseuses that you need to keep tabs on

like imagine pilot controls torps, you go to try and torp a polaris, get tunnel-visioned and a idris railguns you to oblivion

[rigid brook]

If size 7 is mounted on fighters now truly entry level anti cap weapon

[opaque rain]

whereas if that's on a different seat you got all the time and attention to see who's pointing at you and maneuver accordingly

[proper junco]

the ares ships

i got a better solution

allow us to use torp operator mode on both seats

2 man is better but 1 man isnt out of the question

if I die, I die

[opaque rain]

well that's just wrong for gameplay purposes

[proper junco]

no its exactly for gameplay purposes

in the end its my skill issue

[opaque rain]

irl in 2 seaters both people can do everything pretty much, but put that on a polaris and you're gonna quickly find out how annoying it is

also honestly just get over it, it was already very clear they were not going to be pilot controlled so this dicussion doesn't even matter

[rigid brook]

Polaris M upgrade kit when?

[untold gorge]

ive been dumbfiring fully crewed reclaimers coming into grim hex with a single seater eclipse, how is the polaris worse

[opaque rain]

it's a bigger torp?!

and you got way more?!

?!!!

how is this a question

it has 9x the torps and won't die

[untold gorge]

the eclipse wont die either unless youre getting chased by a fighter

[opaque rain]

this is bristerian level takes right here

[proper junco]

found it

[untold gorge]

still the fact remains a solo eclipse pilot can take out fully crewed capital class ships with one button press

[opaque rain]

i don't see what this points out

[fierce arrow]

And there should still be! What if a small ship gets back there and kill them?!?

[opaque rain]

the fact that it's supposed to get torp control on other seats?

[proper junco]

it points out that both seats can have torpedo control

[untold gorge]

and currently the polaris from the front

[fierce arrow]

No it isn’t.

[opaque rain]

ok bristerian

[opaque rain]

yeah, is that fun?

[fierce arrow]

[opaque rain]

now 9x the amount of torps with a way tankier ship

[opaque rain]

yeah, when entering a remote turret

i'm not against that

as long as they're not the one doing the flying cool

[untold gorge]

subjective, but its in the game and has been for a while

[opaque rain]

yeah well fun is subjective, but i don't think many people would enjoy that

[untold gorge]

its incredibly fun one shotting a fully loaded reclaimer coming into GH???

[opaque rain]

like it's subjective sure, but i'm pretty sure nobody wets their pants from excitement when they get torped in a reclaimer with full load my guy

[untold gorge]

what are you on about

yeah its subjective

[opaque rain]

for the few degenerates who indulge in this gameplay, yeah, the majority of the players don't engage in this behavior

and it's not a healthy concept for a polaris to be able to do the same thing solo

[untold gorge]

dude ur big fat ship loaded with money is coming to the pirate station, of course you will need to be on lookout

[opaque rain]

i agree

and?

the reclaimer currently cannot dock to stations therefore they basically have no choice other than to waste an hour climbing in and out of atmo

[untold gorge]

so the eclipse is fine for doing that but not polaris.... because polaris has more hitpoints?

[opaque rain]

no, eclipse doing that is an unhealthy gameplay loop, polaris doing it is worse

because 9x torps and more hp

you could just put 9x more torps on an eclipse and honestly it would be worse than a polaris

[untold gorge]

not for a pilot...

[opaque rain]

again, bristerian level take

[proper junco]

waiting for perseus pilot controlled 4x s7

[untold gorge]

who agrees the pilot of a capital class ship should be able to control some level of weaponry?

[opaque rain]

i mean

you might get more people saying they should, but more people wanting something does not mean it's not a degenerate gameplay feature

the majority is not always right you know

in fact most of the time they tend to be wrong especially on things where people get emotionally invested

a.k.a. a ship they paid $750 for

you would not give a shit about this and probably think they should not get pilot guns if you didn't like the polaris

[untold gorge]

who paid that for their polaris lol

[opaque rain]

a lot more people than you seem to realise

people will always want a ship they paid for to be better, that's simply a fact. if you asked would you like to see a railgun/bigger hangar/more, faster torps/(insert anything better here) on the polaris, majority would say yes

[proper junco]

mine s a 50%

[opaque rain]

mine is also around that but that's not the majority of polaris owners

at least i'd heavily assume so

[opaque rain]

i paid 260 for mine so almost everyone paid 260 for theirs too

??

[untold gorge]

pretty much

unless you wanted a serialised

[opaque rain]

yeah exactly the argument i'd expect from someone who thinks polaris should have pilot controlled torps

imma stop replying to this discussion tbh, it's a brick wall

[untold gorge]

at this rate your galaxy will need a module switching chair to allow you to switch the modules out

[fierce arrow]

Keep dreaming. My Polaris was $750 and most peoples were as well.

[opaque rain]

bet bro

[fierce arrow]

Don’t give them Ideas.

Although they already had something similar in the Ironclad.

“Ship operations chair.”

Press a button to feed power to the special module.

[opaque rain]

yeah he seems to think most people actually spending money on this game give a fuck about saving 500 bucks

[proper junco]

antares

[opaque rain]

like bro people are 10k deep into this thing

[fierce arrow]

People care. Just not a large percentage of them… myself included.

[opaque rain]

most people just aint got time to bother with doing the ccu game

just working and getting more money rather than trying to save 10 bucks on a warbond simply is easier

[fierce arrow]

Same. Now give me rear turret back or me and the other Whales will not buy this IAEs ship.

[opaque rain]

and let's be honest, your minimum wage mcdonalds worker ain't buying a polaris. most people who are buying it are well off

[opaque rain]

and now you're the small percent not buying IAE ships

and i doubt you won't anyway

[proper junco]

im in college

[opaque rain]

me too

doesn't make it the rule

[somber wren]

me three

[coral rover]

I'm in uni

[night cipher]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/61894/thread/perseus-pdt-locations/454079

save Perseus

don't give it Polaris treatment

[night cipher]

i do

polaris mentioned 🗣️

[dim narwhal]

Only 10k

[proper junco]

im nearly 1k in

boutta get my top hat

and gold pistol

[unique oriole]

Dont forget the free whiskey

[strong terrace]

How are people feeling about the manned turrets (not including the s6) on the polaris?

[proper junco]

i wanted the double missile pod setup it had

1 on top and bottom

that was cool having a 360* tracking missile defense against fighters

i believe they were s3 too

not only fighters had to dodge turret fire but also mind the missiles tracking them

the Polaris engines block the view of the pod rn i think

best u got is forward and backwards

original turret setup didnt have s3 guns

imo it should get s7 main guns

non capital weaponry on a capital ship is L
capital weaponry on a minelayer
perseus gets 2x2 despite being non cap but lacks anything smaller

Pilot controlled 2x s8 on bmm, an alien merchant ship

while a human capital warship gets s6 max

i should get a bmm and use it for combat

[rigid brook]

Bare minimum
Dual size 6 nose
Dual size 5 top
Quad size 4 sides
Quad size 4 rear top and bottom
Missile turret moved to front of hangar and one added to belly both controlled by same seat

[strong terrace]

Agree with this, as it currently stands it only deals as much damage (exluding torps, ofcourse) as a hammerhead

[rigid brook]

Plus Polaris has a bunch of weaknesses already built in, very bad turret overlapping fire and coverage, weaker then normal cap armor, and a yacht has more shields then a military capital ship

[strong terrace]

Surely we'll get two shield gens like the 890j too, we have 3.9m hp we could take a bit of that and turn it into shield

[rigid brook]

And over size PowerPlant does really nothing beside give it a massive fuse and easy kill when engineering comes in, power management should not be a thing on Polaris with 25% of ship being a reactor

That’s why I said bare minimum and what the size 5 on top are for

[strong terrace]

The polaris can't really defend itself against larger groups of smaller fighters currently though

The shield goes down fast and the guns are extremely exposed

[rigid brook]

Size 3 should not be on a military capital ship.

[proper junco]

imagine they really did sell an M upgrade kit

💀

[rigid brook]

Tbh I wouldn’t care as long as Polaris gets some love at this point

[strong terrace]

Don't even think it

[proper junco]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-konosuba-crying-freaking-out-gif-17388148

[rigid brook]

I’ll still call cig out for being dirty cheaps if they do that while still buying it

[strong terrace]

I just don't want the polaris to be another ship that will have people go "why are we in this polaris anyway? 12 f8c's/f7a mk2's roll it"

[proper junco]

if it contains a s7 turret I might

[rigid brook]

My beloved, the Polaris we deserved

[strong terrace]

Surely it wont get an S7.. the perseus will be depreciated then

so doubt cig will do it

[rigid brook]

Crazy idea quad size 4 nose and everything else size 4 but top turrets become dual size 6

[strong terrace]

Eehh i'd rather have some upgunning on the 3's and 4's

the s6 is sick, for what it's worth

[rigid brook]

I mean up gunning the quad 3 to 4 would allow them to up gun the quad 4 to dual size 5 at minimum on top

And then the rear turrets should both become quad size 4 since they have limited firing angles so allow them to do more damage when enemy decides to sit in those angles

Either way I have a feeling the Polaris q&a is gonna be enlightening

[strong terrace]

We will see yeah

[rigid brook]

Probably gonna be soul crushing but yeah

I don’t remember ever cig say nova would fit in Polaris but I saw a few people saying cig devs said the tank would fit awhile back, I know I’ve seen cig say they looking into further up gunning Polaris in the future so clearly what ever cig says can’t be listened to until action is taken

[proper junco]

imagine if we had a Polaris w escorts during this scene firing volleys of s10 instead of tali s9 s

[rigid brook]

I mean isn’t this the battle that started the idea of Polaris in lore

[proper junco]

it is

it was the battle we realized we needed a more nimble ship than the idris

that ship got s6 s

[strong terrace]

marketing

i dont see CIG doing it until atleast after perseus is out

That makes no sense

Javelin is leagues larger

polaris is not

Not a fanboy

Just saying that's probably why

It's literally 66m larger

jav is 480m

Not gonna mention the ares and inferno?

Not against the polaris having a S7, but if it gets it it'll be after perseus is out i would guess

[novel remnant]

You guys seem to forget that the Polaris has 28 s10 torps. It ides not kill cap ships with guns, it kills cap ships with torps. upgunning the turrets will make it EVEN HARDER to defend itself from small craft.

[strong terrace]

How would upgunning make it harder to kill small craft?

Me personally I'm fine with the s6 front, i do really dislike the s3's the most though

[mossy yoke]

well i personaly think, that atleast in space, ranges should not be a thing.... so

S3 should have same range than a S9

its space... the range should be almost inifinty

now in terms of balancing, hihger Sizes shoot slower and have slower velocity, which makes it harder or impossible to hit fast targets

but yeah... well the system is allready there, they will not change it ... sadly

[strong terrace]

Different size guns will not necessarily impact speed of projectile, that depends on what guns you put on it

[fierce arrow]

Up this to S7.

[fiery pine]

so sad they removed the flight deck observation/control room they showed off in one of the ISCs

[unique oriole]

size 6's are fine for the polaris, the reason the size 6's suck at the moment is due to them lacking their explosive damage i believe

[fierce arrow]

Which one?

[fierce arrow]

Oh? When will it be added?

[unique oriole]

its just bugged in ptu

realistically thier damage is comparable to size 7's im pretty sure

I heard somewhere that the polaris' size 6's are only dealing their ballistic damage, they are supposed to have some explosive damage aswell, while that may be untrue i dont know im just saying what sounds fairly believeable

[alpine flower]

Yup, after the bullet entered the hull it would have some explosion damage, although is a subject to change [probably]

The Bespoke dual size 6 currently on the Polaris are kinda bugged

I can say freely that they are EXTREMELY BUGGED/not working as intended

CIG Announced that they planed to implement new Ammunition/types of ballistic/laser guns in the future

It's not impossible that they will implement Something similar to the ION/INFERNO Bespoke guns

[unique oriole]

Apologies then, i dont really have a source

[alpine flower]

BESPOKE man

Not true

More than the PiP's

Right that's why they could implement such a thing

Who does not know that ?

It could be Explosive damage

[tender pagoda]

tf am I reading

[alpine flower]

it could be anything they said they would implement

No

[alpine flower]

.

Please read carefully what i stated

We could guess/share our opinion based for what they said

We can only guess right

Yeah bugged in No PiP's

Damage not corresponding to the size/ammo type

[tender pagoda]

suddenly Polussy getting explosive rounds

[alpine flower]

Balanced in PTU

Yhea

Can't be a balance

A balance needs to correspond to the other guns that share the same Size/Type

[alpine flower]

Which corresponds a bit but not totally

[fiery pine]

polaris hangar overlook greybox
gone after polish pass
https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?t=686
https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?t=808

[fierce arrow]

Eh??

[fiery pine]

it was at the stern of the ship, above engineering, looking toward the bow
Im sure they couldve made it fit, probably changed it because they wanted those stairs going down to engineering instead

[rigid brook]

Better use of space? I don’t even think there is anything there now

[rigid brook]

They really trying to get one turret to carry a capital

[fierce arrow]

Well the torpedos sure aren't.

0 damage because they are too slow. a maximum of 750K damage.

[strong terrace]

What are you on about

[fierce arrow]

PDCs have a 100% interception rate.

[strong terrace]

Yes, for now

This is easily tuned and will be tuned later

It's a delicate balancing act, cause either the torpedos will instantly annihiliate anything or they will be useless if balanced too much in either direction

[night cipher]

the 2 ships that have PDCs?

[fierce arrow]

3. Constellation Pheonix, Polaris, and 890J.

[night cipher]

my point still stands

the 2 ships that have pdcs?

[fierce arrow]

huh?

[night cipher]

lets be real

nobody running an 890j

slightly more might be running a phoenix

theres still the rest of the cast getting 1 shot rn

[strong terrace]

Give them the polaris kiss

[fierce arrow]

Literally me.

Huh?

[night cipher]

reinforcing my point rn

im sorry that was rough

[fierce arrow]

Nuh Uh!

And... you think they still won't shoot you?

[night cipher]

is that the back bottom size 3 remote?

or a side gun

top or bottom

top is missile nvm

and they said it had bad arcs

seems working to me

thats 2 bridge stations then

cool

[fierce arrow]

Dumbfiring torpedos won't save you from my 890J.

[strong terrace]

Doesn't the 890j currently have like peanut hull hp?

[fierce arrow]

Well fix it??

[strong terrace]

I Agree

But i dont think the torps will be needed

😅

[night cipher]

WHAT EMOTE IS THIS 😭

"e/ sexy" 💀

[fierce arrow]

e/ Brist

[rigid brook]

https://youtu.be/aboNoGBnxjU?si=ZznzxxLZvuFKh8cD

Polaris DOA smh smh

Can’t have turret firepower and it’s purpose is a gimmick

Man at that point rail gun upgrade kit when?

[fierce arrow]

No. No! Dumbfiring won't help.

[rigid brook]

I mean is that really gonna work when it comes across idris and jav which probably better pdc then some rich guys space boat

When Polaris is designed to lose in close range matches

[fierce arrow]

*Spaceship. And no, no it will not.

Stop reposting that!

[night cipher]

💀

how much ammo??

didnt they buff ammo count too

[weak hill]

Captains quarters unlocked yet?

[night cipher]

that DPS buff is pretty nice

did they forget to increase the power pips….

the gun and power were the two most pressing issues

breh

[weak hill]

so thats a no on the captains quarters?

[night cipher]

probably

[lapis fable]

S6 attritions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121996822307672179/1306027535083245658/34n5345n34535.PNG?ex=67352c6d&is=6733daed&hm=53b9970bf5e0a224ba7d7f35442ad331e779787a2f99e93a62302ad07006112e&

no need bespoke still shit

it runs out of ammo

[fierce arrow]

Is it really?

[dim narwhal]

I mean the alpha damage is through the roof.

And it pierces armor better so probs can damage multiple components

[fierce arrow]

The Alpha is fine. But like... while that is a good thing, it isn't high enough to 1 or 2 shot something so Alpha ultimately doesn't mean much here.

It should either be reloadable mid flight or become a Laser.

[strong terrace]

Reloadable ballistics coming this never 😔

[fiery pine]

eh

[fiery pine]

tbh, after the buff, out of all of the S6, its actually quite good:

• its got the highest alpha (2400 vs next highest 1537),
• highest total damage dealt (720,000 vs next highest 461,160),
  – but highest time taken to deal all dmg (360s, vs the next lowest @ 180s)
• highest range (5200m, vs next highest 3600m),
• third highest speed out of all (1300m/s), only beat by lasers (1584m/s, 1800m/s)

as long as they add a way to rearm the cannon from the cargo bay mid-fight, I dont mind it being bespoke.

and those numbers are without considering the fact that there are 2 of them on the ship:

1,440,000m total damage
4800 alpha nearly every second
4000 dps for 360s
5200m range
1300m/s speed

thats why they buffed the speed so much, not gonna talk about accuracy or the armor pen, but seriously a step in the right direction

projectile speed is the main thing stopping turrets from being able to compete with fighters

for sure, but youre talking about using a S6 cannon on a fighter

its clear that is not the intended use case of the main battery

much harder for a L/XL ship to dodge at that range, like an idris or a HH

barely after this buff

[patent galleon]

Scroll down past that, I literally told you the only time it showed up was the Ironclad ISC and it wasn't shown on any of the floorplans and layouts before that. The ISC shows that extra space in the hangar but not the existence of a third deck or access to it.

[fierce arrow]

Even my 890J could evade.

[fierce arrow]

Why does it have glass and computers?

[fiery pine]

I literally posted the timestamps in the message directly above this

[rigid brook]

praise the lord the tonk does fit, remove the dual badgers up top then reverse the tank up the ramp (ignore broken turret)

[patent galleon]

As I said last time, the ATC room hadn't been part of the Polaris plans/concept before seeing it in the ISC and was most likely a leftover of how they design Greyboxes by taking parts from other ships for use in rooms which aren't 100% done before replacing it with something more bespoke when needed.

[fierce arrow]

I watched it but… where did they go?

[fiery pine]

to greybox hell

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Well it was shown, even if not on the deckplans so where did it go??

[fiery pine]

🪤

you cant be serious

pure bait

[patent galleon]

Speculatively, removed when they actually designed and polished the hangar. They've talked about how whiteboxing is often done via kitbashing and the individuality is then added back via model updates during the greybox period

As I've said to you multiple times, it was most likely from a different model that was substituted in for the Hangar interior.

[fierce arrow]

Was it Javelin…?

[patent galleon]

Probably, the room in the ISC looks a bit squished and we know the Jav hangar is a lot taller.

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[night cipher]

a lot of messing around in combat to deploy it tho

idk if i can be bothered

i knew tonk would fit as soon as i saw the badgers catch on the roof

[amber breach]

just dont deploy it in combat

landing a Polaris in combat is probably a huge ask

[night cipher]

even sending it out to go to combat

from safe range

takes awhile

[rigid brook]

i mean do we even really need those badgers just go boom boom with main gun

[amber breach]

I just wouldnt want to use the polaris as a drop ship

[rigid brook]

loading the tonk is the semi difficult part, but once landed just drive forward right out

[night cipher]

true

[rigid brook]

i mean when base raiding you cant attack with air forces the shield prevents air attacks, so you cant land anywhere near base but if you far enough from base defense probably safe enough to land your troops

[fierce arrow]

Why not?

[fierce arrow]

Not all of them.

[amber breach]

because it is very large and makes for a huge target

I can either send a c2 and unload 2 tonks

[fierce arrow]

It has shields and PD.

[rigid brook]

pretty sure theres two shields the ones you fight over that makes your base unraidable for week, and then the ones we build which force ground assaults and if they can destroy the shield gens then air attacks can come in

[fierce arrow]

Weak shields and no PD.

[amber breach]

it's called I don't want to risk a polaris

[fierce arrow]

But they still have health bars, right?

[fierce arrow]

Then why did you get one??

[amber breach]

which is not combat effective in atmosphere

[amber breach]

to use in space

[rigid brook]

idk but if they pushing the idea of ground assaults to take out shield gens then would assume thats how you pop it

[fierce arrow]

…?

[rigid brook]

tbh is a great idea cause right away removed the ability for pay to win ships to beat on people since ground vehicles are cheap enough for everyone to get in game fast

[fierce arrow]

I demand orbital bombardment.

[fierce arrow]

That’s a bad thing.

[rigid brook]

how is it a bad thing,

it levels the playing field cause everyone can easily get ground vehicles with in game credits compared to spending 100s of dollars to get a ship that gives you an edge over someone who doesnt want to cough up the money

[fierce arrow]

If I pay money, I should be better. A level playing field means spend a few hundred k credits and there is no more purpose to doing anything else.

[rigid brook]

i mean if the attackers are good enough pop the shield gens and then boom free to use your paid for ships to finish the rest of the base

[patent galleon]

Of course you still need large ships capable of bringing those vehicles to the ground.

And those are generally expensive.

[rigid brook]

yes and thats fine

[patent galleon]

Both in game and with real money

[patent galleon]

L take from Bristerian as per usual

[fierce arrow]

No. Let me use my paid for ships from the get go.

[fierce arrow]

No?

[fierce arrow]

No, U.

[rigid brook]

i mean you can use your paid for ship to trap them behind their shield then bring in your ground combat guys, creates alot more gameplay then just swipe credit card for win

[patent galleon]

Ah yes, the Nova Tanks will magically appear on the ground near the base the fight tskes place in. Makes perfect sens

[fierce arrow]

No. I swiped credit card. Gimme win.

[rigid brook]

really bad take dude worst ive seen

[fierce arrow]

Any ship can bring in a tank. Why buy a Javelin when even a C2 can do it.

[fierce arrow]

No, You.

[patent galleon]

Lol, lmao even

[rigid brook]

only a handful of ships that can carry nova

[fierce arrow]

And the Javelin isn’t one of them so WTF is my Jav for?

[rigid brook]

to attack stations?

and probably give you a chance against mega org and their bengals

[fierce arrow]

Javs don’t stand a chance against Bengals or against stations.

[rigid brook]

and your jav cant enter planet atmosphere so?

jav probably has better chance against stations and bengals and other javs then a polaris or idris

[patent galleon]

Origin man doesn't understand spaceship roles. News at 6

[fierce arrow]

It has orbital bombardment capability.

[fierce arrow]

Fake news. In what way.

[fierce arrow]

Fake News!

[clear stag]

i had to block him i cant take the rot anymore

[fierce arrow]

I am not rot!

[patent galleon]

[main violet]

is the polaris unrammable? i havent been able to blow up from ramming the ground or being rammed

[rigid brook]

bruh no guns shoot that far

[patent galleon]

It's tough to tell but the damage from ramming is really wonky.
In my Arena Commander experience so far, getting rammed by light to medium craft does basically nothing to the Polaris.
But in the PU or Online depending on the tickrate a ramming ship can end up inside/sharing space with the Polaris, which instantly kills both.

Not sure about the ground.

[main violet]

the ground felt like a cusion

[hallow rose]

Does the Spartan fit in the Polaris Garage ?

[rigid brook]

Yes

However centurion gets stuck on ramp because of ground clearance but can be rammed in, and ballista can’t cause of invisible wall

Fun fact nova tank can also fit, remove top dual badgers, and reverse it in

So that’s not what centurion is getting stuck on

Centurion has bad ground clearance and gets stuck on top edge of ramp between front tires and rear tires

But you can give it a light bump with another ground vehicle to get over that edge

[fierce arrow]

Idris M does.

[rigid brook]

So I assume we talking about the size 10 rail gun, it can sit way up in orbit fire and it will impact the ground?

The only thing I can think of jav has that will be able to do that is maybe it’s size 12 torps

But that sounds like a horrible idea, only able to launch 2 at a time and would probably be the only thing that can travel that far only to be highly intercepted by ground pdc, seems like a waste of credits to resupply those

[tender pagoda]

depends

[fierce arrow]

Yup.

[fierce arrow]

That and the S9s on the back??

The twin quad S9 turrets on the back??

[patent galleon]

They're fire mode locked and can't swap Gimballs/Use the aiming portion of precision targeting either. It's a weird bug.

[tender pagoda]

not sure the rules around thread sharing but if we can get some talk around the ramp it would be kewl

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/polaris-ramps-deploying-after-damage

[patent galleon]

I doubt they'll touch that, doors opening after taking damage is like a general thing that all ships have

And with them having talked about proper destructibility and maelstrom, I bet the answer is "we're working on part destruction long term that will eventually address this"

[tender pagoda]

correct but you can still have both

damage shouldn't deploy but disable the lock feature that stops randoms opening the ship

the silhouette stays clean an people can still shoot ramps to get in

win win

this issue just becoming more visable on the Polaris

cause the ramps are huge

[patent galleon]

That's if they have that as a function they can turn in individually, or if it's a general rule enabled on like a per door basis.

[tender pagoda]

I think they can 100% do it they just haven't

they did what they've done as a slap job

[patent galleon]

Turning on/off a toggle or rule which goes "door opens when it takes damage" is easier than making a new one for locking/unlocking.

[tender pagoda]

that's my point

[patent galleon]

Oh 100% it's doable, but they've generally shown that they won't change up these placeholder mechanics if something else is in the pipeline

[tender pagoda]

I am pretty sure the ramps deployed block the side turrets vision

[patent galleon]

Hence my doubt that anything will be done about it.

[rigid brook]

Dang Polaris can be soft death by one size 5 bomb from a1 spirit

[patent galleon]

Is there anything that bombs can't kill with a direct hit right now?

[dim narwhal]

I mean, its a bomb,

Unlike a torp, it doesn't need much space, so its a larger blast

Makes sense, shouldn't be leaving it exposed like that

[warped monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705840273166696460/1306301420395429928/ezgif-3-436b27d2a4.gif

[night cipher]

ok the 2nd set of polaris buffs are nice but what about the power??? is it still 27 pips?

they really need to buff the power

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1306365260906893363/image.png?ex=673666f5&is=67351575&hm=581ed6a1574894a7fcce600d00dbf81d92175c20b321b0918e026ebe82d32dd1&

W

[fierce arrow]

TF does doubled shield health and regen mean?

[night cipher]

what you think?

they doubled shield capacity and regen

[fierce arrow]

So now the Polaris has some sorta super shield? Or is it 2 S4s?

Make nose gun non bespoke and add rear laser turret.

Then how was it doubled...?

Wait, what?

[night cipher]

yeah!!!!!!

[fierce arrow]

Idris has 2 S4. Polaris has 1 S4. but doubly boosted?

[night cipher]

doubled from what it was before

[fierce arrow]

Well what was it before then??

[patent galleon]

half of what it is now

[night cipher]

less than a s4 is supposed to be

[fierce arrow]

I thought all S4s were the same?

Oh... Oh no.

[fierce arrow]

And it's still worse than either of the Idris shields??

[night cipher]

ye

yes

[patent galleon]

Yay the pips are working

And so are the gimballs

[night cipher]

did they get buffed???

[patent galleon]

They were nonfunctional before

Now they function normally

[fiery pine]

bombs only really work in spaces with gravity anyway

[strong terrace]

Wait the mini turrets will shoot at fighters now?

Holy

[hallow rose]

Hello fellow deep pocket spenders, now, as you know, Terra-meda is out on PTU. my question, will this ship fit in the hanger of the Polaris?

it would be nice to have 2 medical places

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

[strong terrace]

The PDCS shoot in vanduul swarm!

it works only if the target is red

Soloing early waves with a polaris that is unmanned.. i love this

PDC's will also shoot its own dumb-fire missiles 🤣

It's not as if the PDC's will just nuke whatever comes close enough, they only occasionally shoot a salvo at a nearby fighter it seems