Polaris Palooza

[fierce arrow]

What else would we have? Can't they be bladed to be separate?

[proper junco]

space base

living away from stations

[dim narwhal]

From the tests and how they let us get in the turret, both are slaved together, MAYBE you can seperate them, but for the most part as shown they are strictly used together in tandom,

So maybe down the road we will be able to change that, but as shown now the turrets are slaved.

You can see the smaller turret ontop of the gun

they look to be one solid piece, and they can turn faster but most likely limited arc.

But, none the less the amount of firepower, size 12 torpedos, and size 10? or 9 turret, with the 12 ish size 7 dual guns with dual size 3's or 4's ontop

the javelin will be a huge advantage

[fierce arrow]

Confirmed S4?

[dim narwhal]

Idk what size necessarily, its on RSI, but its sub 5.

[fierce arrow]

I had previously assumed 3.

Looks rather small.

[dim narwhal]

its size 4 on RSI

[brazen eagle]

anyways still no Polaris on roadmap

[blazing fiber]

Coming this IAE but i wish it was citcon

[royal hemlock]

Can polaris torpedoes be used as anti infantry?

[brazen eagle]

unless CIG removes dumb fire then yes

[blazing fiber]

Should be called more smarter fire

[sharp raven]

@fierce arrow Polaris has (iirc) 576 SCU rn, SUPOSEDLY it's gotten bigger than that

But just throw a few Hull A's in the hangar and you'll be close to C2 capacity

or just throw cargo directly into the hangar

C2 has 696 SCU

so closer to 700

I bought the Polaris for 'multi role'

So thats how I'm gonna use it

Its got medical

its got a hangar which can hold a large variety of ships

its got a big cargo space

and it's got good armaments

Its being upgunned

But im talking about the torps

I think you just suck with torps

I'm not gonna be fighting an idris on a regular

but I'll be fighting c2s, andromedas, etc

So as long as one out of my 28 hit

I'll be fine

I do JT with an eclipse on a regular and shoot so many ships out of the sky,

Granted, we still don't know the stats

but erkul says they're just as fast as a s9

And if I have 28, why not..

What else am I supposed to shoot? 890s?

THEY ARE

Im not crazy

514 m/s

514 m/s

I GOT IT

BECAUSE THEY ARE S9'S

BUT

THATS WHAT WAS LEAKED

SO IM GOING WITH IT

[weak hill]

Yknow at this point. IDGAF what they give the polaris I just want my big ship

[gray flower]

Polaris needs it's size 10s on launch, otherwise it's just an upscaled retaliator

[gray flower]

just saying that the polaris needs its size 10s when it launches.

im aware of that, im just agreeing that is its dumb if it doesn't have them on release

[fierce arrow]

Oh, interesting.

[royal hemlock]

I wonder how many polarises are going to be in the star system when it launches

[mossy yoke]

more then anyone guesses

[brazen eagle]

alot remember it will be released at IAE so rentable also

[proper junco]

I dont need to rent

[sharp raven]

Same

[sharp raven]

CIG, pls tell me SOMETHING about engineering

It looked so bad ILW

its been 4 months, has there been any progress on it?

[rigid brook]

Bruh I mean what did you think it would look like, literally just swapping physical components, beaming components to better healths, and making sure relays connect power lines

[brazen eagle]

Cap ships will need shipyard(drydock) for component swaping, but i think Large ships will also need it

[brazen eagle]

but i think components will be fixable in certain conditions

[blazing fiber]

I haven’t seen one of those fits in the hangar pictures in forever and I’m curious about fitting an f8c f7a with maybe anything else that would fit even if it was just furys

[pallid lantern]

I've been hoping for an old pipe mania style mini game for engineering gameplay

[proper junco]

imo fuses are bad gameplay

[fierce arrow]

Agreed.

[fierce arrow]

My Jav has modules.

[proper junco]

they should replace fuses with circuit breakers instead at least

[rigid brook]

Isn’t that basically what they are, just fill a scu container full of fuses and hand them out like candy when your crew boards lol

[proper junco]

nah I dont like pick up-ables in this game with how wonky things get on object physics.

[frank lily]

CMON POLLY WHERES YOUR CRACKER...!!!

[rigid brook]

CIG dev please answer is the light/dark grey paint with yellow windows skin for Polaris from concept art, is it gonna be a paint eventually we could buy

[blazing fiber]

Aside from windows that’s how i remember it looking at ilw

[rigid brook]

It was just one solid color

[fiery pine]

the only ingame stuff theyve shown has had the cockpit blacked out for lack of interior though? the glass could totally be tinted, we havent had an opportunity to see that afaik

[sharp raven]

Yes, but... https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?si=7K4j4nU32yNd0lGs&t=760

[fiery pine]

look at the edges by the window frame

based on that and the colors outside, it looks tinted to me, even with hurston being rather warm colored already

https://youtu.be/j9d8GXMtHOs?t=778

have they shown an image from inside the turret? they were blacked out placeholder turrets when it was ingame

[rigid brook]

It doesn’t even have to be default I would be fine if the light/dark grey with yellow windows was sold as a paint/skin

Just looks sexy and I want it

[fierce arrow]

What makes you think that??

Me in my underpowered 400i constantly on fire and out missiling the Polaris?

And the S3s?

[rigid brook]

Weren’t the missiles to the side of the bridge suppose to be size 5

Size 2 is probably the dumb missile turret that does nothing in the back

[fierce arrow]

S10. They are S10.

[rigid brook]

These

[rigid brook]

Cause I thought those where size 5 but assuming size 2 is the dumb turret in the rear, and size 10 is the boom sticks, I guess those on the front are the size 3s which I thought were size 5

[fierce arrow]

Ah, ok then.

Makes decent sense.

[spice cliff]

polaris is good?

[dense grotto]

Goated

[spice cliff]

did they not finish designing the mfds

that ui looks atrocious compared to the concepts they showed a while ago

[proper junco]

The rocket pods used to have 16 s3 s and there 2 of them

[sharp raven]

@rigid brook The small ones next to the cockpit were always meant to be s3 as anti-fighter

[halcyon estuary]

Which previous MFD concepts?

[frank lily]

CMon Polly Get into ma PU...!!

[coral rover]

🙏

[frank lily]

Here Polly Polly Polly Polly Polly , here Polly Polly Polly Polly - cm,on, come get your Carrack...

[coral rover]

Pov: me calling my cat so we can watch a movie together

[warped monolith]

hummm

https://youtu.be/h8fKhnphE68?si=GPwCbLEkYg7Lh139&t=819

[sharp raven]

No, its the carrack

not the polaris

[sharp raven]

And also thats the torpedo bay, not the engineering bay

and we already know what the torpedobay looks like

and its also not that

[sharp raven]

Carrack

[frank lily]

GOD DAMN is this Puppy in our PU AS YET...!!!

Why build new shit when they need to get this Ba Boi into our XL HANGARS..!!!

I dont mind if they nerf the torps to start with - just let me pretend im heading out into the black...!!!

[fierce arrow]

Don’t listen to them! Do not nerf my torps!

[west imp]

WHERE ARE MY SIZE 7 GUNS

[frank lily]

Im hearing you... like i wonder if we can preload like 6 and fire them all in one go???? BOOOOOM...!!

[fierce arrow]

4 Large + 4 small.

[frank lily]

All at once?

[weak hill]

Im just fiending for my Polairs PLEASEEEEEE

I WANT SOMETHING MASSIVE

[fierce arrow]

Mayhaps.

[warped monolith]

sad

[frank lily]

PEW PEW POLY C'MON...!!

[frank lily]

So quiet.... :/

[proper junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1241922665351090186/ezgif-5-335d30ff12.gif

[austere gull]

saw that but for some reason they deleted the post

nvm it's back

[clear stag]

this confrimed?

It’s a lot better it gives me hope

thank you bro

RSI on top

hopefully we will have a way to reload soon

[sharp raven]

WAAAAAAAAIIIIIIT WHAT?!

I need a source rn

bleh, message link I don't see it

nvm found it

7 PDC is fucking WIILD

Im mad the side turrets in the hull are still 4 S3

Im VERY happy with S6 guns though

First S6 guns in-game ! ! !

7 PDC is overly crazy imo

But I'll take it

My biggest worry now is the torp damage

Oh shit? Thought it was like 6

Help my stupid ass out here,

300 ammo sounds good if its energy since it only shoots 60rpm, but do the S6's have a longer range than most? (2800m) And, is 1708 alpha way above average for damage, or is that mediocre in comparison to a S5?

Oops, it is ballistic mb

But don't they sell S6 Attritons?

1708 alpha SOUNDS like a lot, is it not?

Oh.

[fierce arrow]

Shield nerf, Guns still too small. PDS are good but like...

From where? 3.24.2?

You are blinded by the PDs!

[rigid brook]

dang was really hoping for dual size 5 top and then quad s4 side and rear with the dual 6 nose

[fierce arrow]

What happens when they simply go behind us?

[rigid brook]

Yea a single quad size 3 and a missile turret, personally both should become quad size 4

[fierce arrow]

Unacceptable. Do better. It lacks range and is too small.

[rigid brook]

Then the quad size 3 on the sides should become quad size 4 allowing the top turrets to become dual size 5

[fierce arrow]

Agreed.

[fierce arrow]

Keep the top as S4, make the sides and rear S4 as well.

Idris has all S6, why not Polaris?

Not everyone else.

[rigid brook]

Idk i at least wanted dual side 6 nose and dual size 5 top so it won’t be bullied by large ships that would be dumb to waste expensive easy to shoot down torp on

[fierce arrow]

S6 is fine but its no S7. And why are they bespoke?

Then why isn’t it a S7?

[rigid brook]

Probably looked goofy

[fierce arrow]

Lol, no.

[rigid brook]

Well Perseus owners gonna be happy free bully Polaris owners

Until they priority target Polaris only large ship deterrent, size 6 is out time for cap to run

My dream loadout for Polaris was for it to use its torps to punch above its weight and for its loadout to fight at its weight or down but just seems like just a torp boat with okay anti fighter defense

It’s gonna be the funniest thing ever watching 2 Polaris’s try to kill each other pdc making their torps irrelevant, they close the gap and knock out each others size 6 and now it’s death by 1000 paper cuts

You putting to much faith into one turret my dude

If I was high on this much copium Perseus would be greatest ship in game with 2 dual size 7

[lapis fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843411008625049601/1290855603618451517/j345j34j534j67.PNG?ex=66fdfa76&is=66fca8f6&hm=7532c67aca3f2f789d43e7f0fe04e437713666ddb55327892a24770f18068469&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843411008625049601/1290855682496790538/j534j345j43j654.PNG?ex=66fdfa89&is=66fca909&hm=1c0bb88f25fd18c61300a01fd421e2c083228542876dbabb4e5293517ad0c825&

[rigid brook]

oh wait i didnt even read it all the way the dual size 6 nose only has 300 rounds

[proper junco]

1 ballistic turret and the rest are lasers is a weird design

That puts the s6s for hitting components sure and the other turrets to whittle down shields and armor come rework

Wait so only the front half of the Polaris got upgunned and the others are still quad s3?

• PDCs

[fierce arrow]

It currently has 100K?? Thats a 40% decrease.

Why??

[proper junco]

Adding armor

Apparently works like another hp bar that is inversely proportional to penetration damage to components

Afaik

[fierce arrow]

Yup. Still a vulnerable rear.

[proper junco]

Lower armor hp bar = more damage through penetration and ballistics

[fierce arrow]

Unless they simply outrange it.

[fierce arrow]

Huh??

[proper junco]

Theyre making lasers put 100% damage to shield layer first then armor layer

[fierce arrow]

And…?

[proper junco]

Then finally a way to down a ship is by components damage through ballistics

Armor is now essentially a non-regenerable shield layer

[fierce arrow]

So lasers kill an hp bar but ballistics dont?

So… expensive.

[proper junco]

Pretty sure it would just deal less armor hp damage

[fierce arrow]

Why?

[proper junco]

So a ballistic - laser loadout is necessary

Just as ballistics now damage both hull hp and shields

Ballistic damage scales on how much shield is still up

[fierce arrow]

Why??

[proper junco]

Balance?

[fierce arrow]

“Balance.”

Unbalances things.

[sharp raven]

Same

Anyways, I did the math these are ALL in Attrition Repeaters as they provide weapons in all of the sizes.
Hammerhead DPS in comparison to the Polaris

Hammerhead full attrition loadout: 28,320 DPS 5391 ALPHA

Polaris full attrition loadout: 21,780 DPS 4099 ALPHA

Take of that what you will

[proper junco]

The s6 are bespoke arent they? So u cant change them out right?

Watch perseus nerf pre release

From s7 to s6

[austere gull]

i would be so mad 💀

[rigid brook]

Oh cool looking dual size 5 turrets Polaris you shall be missed

[royal hemlock]

heretic

[rigid brook]

lol watch them come out with Polaris M

[proper junco]

ill do it if I can ccu up to it

or an upgrade kit

[rigid brook]

I was really praying for
Dual size 6 nose
2x dual size 5 top
Sides quad size 4
Rear top and bottom quad size 4
Then missile turret moved to in front of hangar

[royal hemlock]

well be happy your ship releasing soon :(, but ngl polaris seems quite fair

[rigid brook]

Idk seems like it gonna get bullied by large ships

[royal hemlock]

well stay out of their range

[rigid brook]

Well they were on record saying they wanted the Polaris to be more then just a torp boat and now we have torp boat with okay anti fighter defense

[lapis fable]

[sharp raven]

"Another thing we are looking at doing in the future is doing some more upgunning.... so that it's not just a torpedo boat it can sort of hold its own against other capital ships"

Yet it has less DPS than a subcap 😭

Hamerhead has more DPS, and its subcapital

bro

Im not saying this isn't a start, but when you've given me 7 PDCs, why the fuck do I still have 4 s3's?

I'll even take just like 2 s4's

but 3 s3s!?

Anti-fighter? S4 is antifighters, thats why the Hammerhead has em', S3 is like anti-missile

Tbh, what I want is, nose S6, duel s5 on top, duel s4 in hull, and duel s4 remote

Sure, but getting rid of those extra s4's "balances" the s3's in the hull

[rigid brook]

cig already knew top turret are suppose to be beefy bois

dual size 6 nose
dual size 5 top
quad size 4 sides hull
rear top and bottom quad size 4
missile turret moved to top front of hangar

[clear stag]

I think once armor and actual penetration values get added in 2042 I think the size of the guns and what ammo you are using is going to matter so much more

And fighters are going to be made out of paper so one good volley should knock out most fighters
I’m looking forward to the size 6 just hopefully they don’t hurt the dps to bad but if it has high pen I think it’ll be worth it

I do think the Perseus is going to be great for softening up hard targets

[royal hemlock]

I hope perseus is like high pen with good post pen damage

or utter boom power

[clear stag]

It’s supposed to have custom ammo too

Hoping for some sabot and at least air burst

[royal hemlock]

I wan some crazy ammo types

imagine gas ammo for good old war crimes

[clear stag]

🤤

[royal hemlock]

I hope engineering works well

also

[fierce arrow]

Its still bad.

Hanmerhead gets 16 S4. Does 2 S6 = 8 S4?

[fierce arrow]

Agreed!

[rigid brook]

hey im with you i dont think the up gunned has been upped enough

[west imp]

S4’s have a much greater DPS output than a single duel S6, especially when the hammerhead has a shit ton of them

S6 in itself is a really strange size anyways

Too large and slow firing to be considered a great anti-fighter gun, too small to be considered anti-cap, which only starts at S7

[fierce arrow]

So give it S7s. The Polaris would still be the weekesy cap but wouldn’t be bullied quite so bad.

[sharp raven]

Lets at least give cig some credit, they upgunned after community outcry, and even added PDC's which were never mentioned in concept, let alone ever

[west imp]

I was hoping they would give it a S7, because as a capital ship it should at least have defensive weapons to deter ships smaller than it, which a S6 can’t do

[fierce arrow]

True.

[sharp raven]

Im happy with S6 ONLY IF they change it to NOT be bespoke

[west imp]

S7 guns are barely even anti-cap, they’ll only work when you have a shit ton of them to begin with, they’re more of a deterrence than an actual knockout weapon

[fierce arrow]

Admittedly, I would rather have the S7 because blades will give us PDs anyways.

[sharp raven]

Depends on what cap you're fighting, a Kraken? Maybe, an idris? Maybe not

[west imp]

Nah, a single dual S7 is really only going to be effective against large sub-caps

[rigid brook]

cig knows

[west imp]

The Perseus being a great example of a ship that shoots above its weight class, but lacks the damage output to really scratch a real capital

Albeit, Perseus shields suck

[rigid brook]

isnt that wat we want the torps help it punch above its weight the loadout should help it punch down

[west imp]

Yeah, but it also needs to be able to hold its own in a gunfight to sub-caps. The hammerhead itself was never made to fight actual warships, it’s a dedicated anti-fighter ship. Being outclassed by a ton in DPS by the literal definition of an anti-fighter point defense ship is kinda silly imo

[fierce arrow]

S7s would help it punch down.

[sharp raven]

Whats a REAL capital?

Half of all capital concepts aren't buyable, the other half of said half are industrial

[fierce arrow]

And the torps will be useless against it as well.

[fierce arrow]

Idris, Kraken, Javelin.

[rigid brook]

im not defending the current up gun i think its needs to be upped alittle more

[west imp]

The Polaris is the first entry into capital class ships

The Perseus is a step below cap

Only because of its shields

[fierce arrow]

Idris has 2 S7 on the nose and 6 x2S6 all around doesn’t it?

[west imp]

And lack of capital components

[fierce arrow]

A lot more.

Shall we go to Spectrum?

[west imp]

Well yeah, that’s what I’m saying as well

[rigid brook]

bare minimum i think polaris needs is
dual size 6 nose
dual size 5 top
quad size 4 sides hull
rear top and bottom quad size 4
missile turret moved to top front of hangar

[west imp]

S6 guns just don’t cut it in terms of DPS, it’s a weird size that doesn’t fit any particular role

[sharp raven]

Pioneer, Hull D-E, Reclaimer, BMM, Orion?

[west imp]

60 rpm, 300 rounds max is absolute trash as anti-fighter goes, and it’s also useless against other large ships in terms of damage output, considering a quad size 4/5 would chew it up without an issue

[fierce arrow]

Agreed.

[fierce arrow]

I suppose so.

[west imp]

Yerp, add some more quad size 4/5’s would work for increasing its DPS

[sharp raven]

All capitals that are buyable excluding varients, that I can think of,

Majority of these are NOT combat

[west imp]

It’s like putting a S5 torp on a ship and pretending like it’s better than a S4 missile because “Muh larger”

While being a slow ass space dildo

That’s true, I just kinda doubt their usefulness for a ship of that size, we would need to see how it handles in terms of turning

[sharp raven]

As much as I hate it and wish they were bigger, Im pretty sure 4 s3's have an equal DPS to 2 s4's

Unless im smoking something, that is extremely wrong

[west imp]

If it were a turret (that you could automate in the future), I would be tempted to say the S4’s are a great addition, but they’re fixed in place, meaning you’re very limited in terms of range, because they’ll be useless when a fast ship gets close to you

Not to mention the state of countermeasures

But hey, at least they added those shitty S3 missile turrets with zero visibility

[fierce arrow]

Why??

[sharp raven]

You got duel S4's for example?

[fierce arrow]

But less range.

[sharp raven]

Good point, range is important in Capital fights

[fierce arrow]

A hornet with 2 S4 will simply sit 200m outside our range and kill us like that.

[sharp raven]

When I was doing attritions the difference was within 50 DPS, Cf's must be GREAT on smaller weapons

Yes, thats also something people need to take into consideration, the Polaris is the SMALLEST capital ship

[west imp]

I guess we could also consider the fact that the Polaris can carry a fighter

[sharp raven]

That too

[west imp]

But yeah, DPS ain’t lookin too hot overall when it sees anything remotely similar to its category

[sharp raven]

If we throw a base f8, thats 2500 more dps

[fierce arrow]

And subcaps?

[sharp raven]

ALSO, subcap have NO PDC, so those s10 torps will make easy work

[west imp]

I just hope they don’t make the torp’s as useless as torps already are

They’re literal NPC weapons

Anyone with half a brain can give the middle finger to them

I already know the S6 is gonna be ass considering they spent months in this rework

[fierce arrow]

Eh?? Isn’t firebird the current meta.

[west imp]

Every time they have reworked this ships weapons they managed to make it worse

EVERY TIME

[sharp raven]

Im sort of siding with Polaris on this one, sure are the weapons smaller than I wanted? Yea, but they seem to have decent dps, especially considering things like torps and fighter space

[west imp]

The issue is that the ship already has dogshit firing angles, alongside a questionable DPS

THE FIRING ANGLES MAN

[sharp raven]

However, if im being honest torps will be USELSS against cap ships with PDC's if all PDC's will be laser

[west imp]

LOOK AT THE REAR 😭

[fierce arrow]

Hammerhead still beats it.

[sharp raven]

STOP REMINDING MEEEEE

[rigid brook]

wouldnt say polaris fighter defense is good its quad 4 are on top the bottom is just were fighters will sit where there is only the quad size 3 covering

[sharp raven]

HOWEVER the HH back turret is NEVER used so minus 4k DPS

[west imp]

CIG has managed to nerf torps every single time people mention how they’re useless against a real player

[fierce arrow]

It should make you mad!

Riot!

[sharp raven]

What if we add PDC dps

[rigid brook]

pretty sure PDC is just gonna be meant for missiles

[west imp]

Dogshit firing angles, the S6 won’t hit shit against a fighter, and even if it does, 300 round ballistic weapon

[fierce arrow]

Can’t hurt ships.

[west imp]

At least the hammerhead can hit a target all around it, while continuing to lay in with quad S4’s

[sharp raven]

I feel like out of all cap ships, Polaris might find the Idris the most often, so having anti-fighter I think is pretty vital

[west imp]

Is dogshit because now it faces a ship with actual shields*

That thing has been a menace for years in terms of DPS

[sharp raven]

But im still standing by the fact ALL PDC should be BALLISTIC, so my torps can actually hit the damn idris <3

[west imp]

Until CIG actually makes armor meaningful, it’s really one of the few metrics that matter, this game is so barebone in that department that most the time you’re spent chasing whatever has the highest damage

Ye, the range sucks, but generally people love to just hug each other because desync is so bad that long range fights become a battle of who can teleport the most

Albeit, much better

Most the time hammerheads are just kissing people though

Nah, have another S3 missile

Want a quad size 5 or a dual size 7? Nah, get a ballistic size 6

[fierce arrow]

Dual Size 7.

[lapis fable]

just realised something

check Draugar stats

s6

super evil projectile speed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843411008625049601/1290855603618451517/j345j34j534j67.PNG?ex=66fdfa76&is=66fca8f6&hm=7532c67aca3f2f789d43e7f0fe04e437713666ddb55327892a24770f18068469&

[fierce arrow]

And…?

[lapis fable]

1200m/s

[fierce arrow]

Is that high? Is this an anti fighter gun or anti cap gun?

[fathom ruin]

polaris gonna be my home fr

[weak hill]

Facts, who needs player base building when i'll have a Polaris

[weak hill]

1 S10 Torp would like to know your location

[fierce arrow]

The Hammerhead is a PD ship. It is only PD. It is completely immune to torps and missiles. It is the anti torp.

[west imp]

the dildos are so slow that it won't even matter anyways, simply go in reverse

[fierce arrow]

That is unironically one of the reasons MM was added.

[west imp]

they could do a lot more to help it, but every time the speeds get mentioned they do something stupid

like when they tried to nerf the speeds even more, and then claim it was "just a test smh"

[lapis fable]

its anti cap gun with anti fighter weaponry speed

[proper junco]

theyre scared of speed

[fierce arrow]

And anti fighter weapon damage.

[west imp]

s6 isn't anti-cap, that only starts at s7, and a single s7 is not going to be taking on capital ships

it's a very large anti-fighter gun/medium ship gun

would argue that it's really just there to destroy ships that are slow and bulky, like cargo/small military ships

[rigid brook]

For the ones in the back the bare minimum
Dual size 6 nose
Dual size 5 top
Quad size 4 side hull
Quad size 4 rear top and bottom
Missile turret moved to top front of hangar

[pallid lantern]

Targets too small to cost some of your torps that aren't agile enough to avoid the front end. Maybe you shoot the s6 guns when you need to finish something off or something. 300 rounds of ballistic cannons aren't going to be spammed

When we get different kinds of rounds maybe it will have more options

[fathom ruin]

my escape ship is gonna be a sabre sir you will never find me 🙂

[fierce arrow]

Firebird, right?

[fierce arrow]

Maybe this is the test? Can it be reloaded mid flight?

[fathom ruin]

nope old sabre lmao is the sirebird more stealthy

[fierce arrow]

Yes. 40% instead of 20%.

[pallid lantern]

From what I had heard that was the plan. No idea how they plan on doing it with any of the ships already out though

[fierce arrow]

Eggcellent.

[pallid lantern]

Reverse vulture SCU box printer to empty cargo into system somehow?

[fierce arrow]

So there are ammo boxes? Or PSCU boxes? How much ammo per box.

[pallid lantern]

From what I had heard that was the plan. No idea how they plan on doing it with any of the ships already out though

[fathom ruin]

long story short i now have firebird lmao

[fierce arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[fathom ruin]

glad i had one on buyback xD

the normal sabre needs an overhaul it hasnt seen love in a while

[west imp]

so what do ya'll think about the release date?

this month as it was predicted, or Q1 2025?

I'm more towards the latter though

[fierce arrow]

It was delayed to November.

[weak hill]

Im actually convinced itll be at IAE

Thatd be big money moves for them and if I remember correctly they said it was already done just waiting for release timing

[pallid lantern]

I hope we get the baby version of meshing that seems to work well around 500 cap. IAE with a free fly when half the server is in their personal Polaris is going to murder servers

[fierce arrow]

[fierce arrow]

They said “1 year from Citcon.” That’s a 1 month delay.

[rigid brook]

Yes but half a year ago they locked in Polaris for IAE Jared kept pushing him asking what if it’s not ready, and John kept giving the same answer well it’s releasing at IAE so I think it’s locked in plus pretty sure last month the exterior was said to be done they still gotta finish interior

[fierce arrow]

So… still a 1 month delay.

[rigid brook]

Well I mean who was more mistaken cig making 1 in a long long line of mistakes when it comes to them and dates or you trusting them

Rule 1: dates and cig never workout, that’s why if we get sq42 release date at citcon it literally means nothing
Rule 2: if it ain’t in evo it ain’t real

[rigid brook]

I mean I doubt they releasing 4.0 evo as citcon surprise for IAE not enough time for testing so most likely 3.24.3 will be IAE patch and it with be light probably just Polaris and a couple ships and like 1 4.0 feature

[pallid lantern]

New Babbage commons is usually covered in ships during the show. The vast field of Polaris left there to grief the servers is going to be funny. Until you start crashing cause fps is 2

[fierce arrow]

Them for lying.

[fierce arrow]

Why?

[rigid brook]

Not really cig lying just cig being bad with a calendar

[fierce arrow]

They are the same thing.

[pallid lantern]

Have you ever been to IAE?

[lapis fable]

2x s6 draugar -> 5692 dps physical dmg

3600m range

1200m/s

2x s6 draugar is equal to 2.1 glaives dps

[rigid brook]

But also has 300 rounds

[fierce arrow]

Yes, why?

[lapis fable]

2800

[rigid brook]

Pretty sure pipeline said 300 rounds

[lapis fable]

[lapis fable]

default turrets

but draugar is not default

https://starcitizen.tools/Category:Guns_(Size_6)

[frank lily]

Cmon Polly, come to my PU..... Cmon Polly... Cmon...!!!

[west imp]

coping

I just wish they would give us a full video of the interior before release

good 20 mins showing everything

[weak hill]

Absolutely not

I wanna walk it for the first time myself

I dont want spoilers

[west imp]

CIG can't even give us any juicy pics of the exterior, takes them like a month to show something and that's usually another
"oh wow lookie this, it's flying in open space !"

anything interior related would be really nice, especially since most the concept art is scaled for pre-enlargement

we got a picture of the cockpit, which they absolutely butchered at least

[opaque rain]

milk it

[clear stag]

God I love being cock teased by Chris Roberts

[lapis fable]

[coral rover]

I have so many questions,

[frank lily]

[clear stag]

What if the Polaris changes are just a new military upgrade lmao

Gotta milk us one last time

[rigid brook]

Polaris M upgrade kit featuring a real buffed loadout lol

[fierce arrow]

Polaris > Store Credit conversion kit.

[civic sage]

any polaris interior leaks

[fierce arrow]

They didn't buff the gun. They just increased the "size" by 1.

[rigid brook]

I still think bare minimum
Dual size 6 nose
Dual size 5 top
Quad size 4 hull sides
Quad size 4 rear top and bottom
Missile turret moved to top front of hangar or belly

[fierce arrow]

Actual size 6. And yes, I concur. S7 nose and Twin S5 hull sides would be better as well.

[rigid brook]

Don’t know what size these where but easily look size 5 maybe pushing size 6

But either way we were robbed

[west imp]

yeah, they easily look like they could be size 6

the ones we got look so tiny

[fierce arrow]

Should we submit complaints? Start refunding?

[west imp]

nah, but it's kinda sad that they chose to replace those massive looking turrets with small ones

the s4's look really strange in those positions

[fierce arrow]

Strange and ugly. It’s the Quad turret design.

I go back on what I said. The turrets are ugly.

[west imp]

would be funny if they did the nose size 7 and those 2 size 6

[rigid brook]

Tbh get crazy
Nose quad size 4
Top dual size 6
Hull Sides quad size 4
Rear top and bottom quad size 4
Missile turret moved to top center or belly

[west imp]

when polaris concept released, size 5 was anti-cap (same way s7 is now the first anti-cap gun)

so if it properly scaled it would be pretty beefy

[rigid brook]

CIG who denied us Polaris sexy top turrets

[west imp]

tbf though, I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that the ship increased in size by a lot

and also in class

kinda wild actually how the original concept was going to put anti-cap guns on the polaris, back when it wasn't even a capital ship

[rigid brook]

I think it was always a capital ship

A corvette lightest of the capitals

Originally was suppose to be a torpedo boat but everything else was power crept requiring Polaris to need an up gun (which I don’t think they truly achieved yet) but thankfully they on record saying in the future they looking into up gunning it some more

I think the Polaris should sit comfortably in a position where it’s torps allow it to poke above its weight and it’s loadout should allow it to feel like a cap against everything below its weight, then when they mention how Polaris loadout should “somewhat” hold its own against other caps I think they were probably referring to caps in the future that are within the corvette class and I feel 1 dual size six wouldn’t justify “somewhat” holding its own against other corvette considering size 4 isn’t really good against cap armor

[west imp]

no, on concept it didn't have capital size components at all

only large components

the capital size components are actually quite recent for star citizen, I think lik 4-5 years?

[rigid brook]

Pretty sure it had the top of the line radar and capital PowerPlant

And it was right away classified as a corvette the smallest of the capital classes

The reason its components where up is cause the idea of capitals power crept, then large ships power crept which resulted in Polaris needing an up gun

Odyssey is what I consider prime example of why Polaris got buffed

[fierce arrow]

What does Odyssey have?

[west imp]

the hammerhead is also classified as a corvette

corvette isn't inherently capital class

also, polaris on concept was 130 meters

not that much larger than a hammerhead

[rigid brook]

I could be wrong but I think cig re-classified hammerhead went on their website, tools, wiki, and galactapedia and I don’t see corvette anywhere anymore it’s role is now sub cap heavy gunship (large ship) the only place it seems to be labeled as corvette is in the asop terminals but I could be wrong

[west imp]

I think that has more to do with the fact that corvette is its size designation, while gunship is its role designation, that or CIG is too lazy to change a text that has said the same thing for many years

in essence it's a very large ship with lots of anti-fighter guns, so both designations make sense in this case

[fierce arrow]

"Corvette"
"Very large."

Corvettes are the smallest class of rated ship.

[west imp]

This is star citizen, an Idris is literally a frigate

One really bad thing about space games is their desire to stick to traditional navy classifications

Well yeah, I’m just considering whatever fantasy the devs put into their ship classifications when talking about them, because CIG loves to make weird classifications and then stick to them for no apparent reason

True

[fierce arrow]

Well it makes things more clear.

It's a Corvette.

[fierce arrow]

Yes, and?

[west imp]

Meaning a corvette being big isn’t that much of a surprise when a 230m ship is only a single size larger

God forbid the devs ever stick their nose into cruisers

[fierce arrow]

Very true. Mostly because Carriers are 1000m and everything in this world is larger.

[fierce arrow]

You mean an actual Capital ship?

What, a Cruiser?

[west imp]

Well, we only have destroyers as the largest purchasable ship, and I think it’s guaranteed that the bengal carrier is going to get bigger, if it hasn’t already been increased for SQ42

[fierce arrow]

Anvil Vesuvius is here.

[fierce arrow]

Jav was stated to be the largest ship ever sold.

I guess Idris?

[west imp]

Even if they did come out with another capital concept that isn’t some massive step up from the others (meaning actual competition), it’ll take them 5 years to even get it in the game

can't wait for a drake rust bucket capital ship

[fierce arrow]

Kraken.

[west imp]

not enough rust bucket

it's too clean looking to be a drake ship

[rigid brook]

Tbh hammerhead and Perseus to me are picket ships

[fierce arrow]

Agreed. Hammerheads gun layout is still attrocious.

[royal hemlock]

😭

[whole sleet]

We really need a suicide drone carrier. 180m, 25 drones. Pure joy.

[west imp]

Carrack once it’s fully done is pretty much that

[frank lily]

WHERE's MY POLLY...!!!!

CMON Polly..polly..polly

Is it in the Evocado hangar as yet?

CMON POLLLLLY

[rigid brook]

Come back for IAE

The earliest we can get it is IAE….. the latest is the death of the universe

In other words….. soon

[fierce arrow]

PTU!

[frank lily]

Bullshit - Serious ???

[fierce arrow]

Lol no.

[rigid brook]

If it was serious we would be seeing so many pics right now

[frank lily]

Fuckit.. i couldnt see on my phone... LMAO

Siiiiigh

Fuck this event then... they will ping us with more useless shit to buy - Where is my freakin Polly Chris..!!! Get off your boat and get those devs to finish the build... 🙂

[rigid brook]

They said awhile ago it was locked in for IAE

But we all know how great cig is with dates

Sometime between IAE and the end of the universe

[frank lily]

Yup

[west imp]

eh, just a few days ago on of the community managers said that it was very close in star-citizen chat

[rigid brook]

Yea but soon also means years in cig terms

Close probably means months

Or one month aka IAE

[hallow rose]

How are my fellow polar bears ?

[frank lily]

Just savvy waiting for the PolleeerrrUS

[hallow rose]

Gut feeling, will prob drop in december :<

[rigid brook]

JC was pretty confident it would drop IAE even after multiple “what if it doesn’t” from Jared

[clear stag]

The only reason I see it being delayed is for the upgunning

worth it I’d rather them get it right after all these years

[rigid brook]

They already did the first up gun

Wether or not they decide to up gun again so soon is yet to be seen

We’ll probably find out the plans at citcon

[fierce arrow]

It had better not!

[somber wren]

I want all S9 guns on polaris.

[proper junco]

less than a month

[rigid brook]

Most likely a no

Biggest we’ll probably ever see is size 7

[somber wren]

I need S9 guns for anti fighter. Polaris should be the be all end all. This is NOT a joke

[fierce arrow]

No!

Only my Jav gets S9 guns.

[somber wren]

(with no crew)

[hallow rose]

so wait how big is our garage ? can i fit spartan ?

or nova?

[west imp]

the doors are 6 meters tall I think

so yeah

[hallow rose]

but not nova t0nk right?

thats like 7 or more ?

[west imp]

5m tall

[hallow rose]

oh snap 😮

does that include the turret gun ontop?

[west imp]

yeah

[hallow rose]

noice o 3o

surely the centurion or ballista are taller tho

hugeee

[rigid brook]

Tbh we really don’t know

Weird angle door combined with ramp

[proper junco]

flak s9 guns

[hallow rose]

Wut dis... someone posted this in general chat...

I am

I need a motorcycle airbag jacket

[proper junco]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-cry-cute-aqua-tears-about-to-cry-cute-gif-16458190

[rigid brook]

Bruh literally scroll up gotta give it a bit

[fierce arrow]

X_X

[spice cliff]

Man my ass half asleep when i saw that

Had me tweakin for a sec

[opaque rain]

what are the chances they drop it on the redacted part of citcon

[somber pivot]

Drop what? Polaris?

0

BUT,
I think we have a chance to see the interior tomorrow

[clear stag]

They said IAE

November 22 to December 5th

[opaque rain]

could happen

[somber pivot]

na

It's SQ42

Not Polaris

[sage rover]

We did just get a small view of it

[frank lily]

WOOOT

Saw the krakon as well

at Levski

NYX system

[clear stag]

New guns look a lot better can anyone spot the PPC

They probably retract also I’ve been thinking about it for awhile but some of the RSI ships have movable turrets I wonder if any of the turrets slide around

[mossy yoke]

flying around?

[frank lily]

In the next system after pyro - the NYX system where Levski has had an advanced pass done and prepped.

[sage rover]

Do you think we will get anymore Polaris stuff tomorrow? 👀

[civic sage]

the guns look bigger

what size is that

[clear stag]

66

[civic sage]

wow

[clear stag]

PDC

[coral rover]

We busted

[mossy yoke]

what are the new specs now, stats cant be viewt yet or?

[blazing fiber]

Whoever designed the engine loves cable management

[mossy yoke]

so polaris comes IAE? or not?

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

[blazing fiber]

allegedly

[proper junco]

Polaris next month

Apollo next year

[rigid brook]

IAE 2954 can’t wait

[hallow rose]

Buddy told me his perseus gonna destroy my polaris and im like "not alone your not" xD

The polaris has capital components right?

[fierce arrow]

Yes.

[hallow rose]

Neats

Cant wait to go bankrupt

[gray flower]

RSI enjoyers eating good this year

[rigid brook]

But if Perseus can get close enough then the win easily goes to Perseus

[mossy yoke]

well, depends polaris will have 1-2 escort fighters to support, so hm perseus will have multi treaths to handel

[rigid brook]

I have a feeling Perseus will get slight AA defense buff

[mossy yoke]

yeah would be a must, in the end space ships tend to multirole in their size, because its futur tech, it should be a thing

[rigid brook]

Either way Polaris owners where robbed

Never forget what could have been

[mossy yoke]

like others... i dont know if i still like my redeemer, which lost its shiny S5 turret guns.... and mighty shilds, oh well and dont forget the lost doking colar... which was really cool for boarding action... in the first version

[untold gorge]

did i miss something or is getting from pilot chair to missile control bay literally the longest route on the ship?

[mossy yoke]

well if your true in your vision, ill get soon other solo/newbies willing to play gunner, if not ill get my NPC crew doing the jop

so i never intended to fly skeleton like solo, as you think

just i hope to not be fotced searching others for offside dutys...

if all this does not work, i maybe play gunner on other players ship, just for fun

anyway, i care about manned turrets

and i have friends, which are not willing to spend time in alpha stage... so for now i am most time alone but that will change one day, if not i bet there is no enjoyable pvp left for you, in a empty verse...

i will enjoy S42 and see what the SC mmo will bring me, after all its just the enjoying part

dont fear for me, ill find a way to have fun ;-D but yeah i really hope to not go half day "LFG" and and...

or ill have lesser time to spend in SC then i wish to thats all

i like those small PD gattlings.... how much are doted on the new polaris?

the are fully automatic i think?

[proper junco]

solo Polaris vs Solo Perseus, no one would win

[mossy yoke]

hm perseus can Ram his enemys to death, or not? ^^

[rigid brook]

There was an elevator 2 doors past bridge door

Probably connects to the hallway in front of torp room that leads to nose turret seat

[rigid brook]

Cig we know you robbed us of cool turrets but can we at least give you money for this paint and yellow glass

[coral rover]

Black 'n red paint

🙏

[opaque rain]

im so on the fence about the polaris

like realistically im never gonna man this thing properly or take it into combat but like damn, until i get the ships im waiting for it could be really good

it's just i'd have to melt it

you guys think i should get it? like all i'm going to do with it is load up snubs and ground vics and supplies and live in it. maybe a couple people here and there but i don't plan on manning it and taking it into combat ever

[west imp]

if you don't already have it before the price increase, it's kinda questionable
depends on how it is in game

[opaque rain]

i have it at $750

[opaque rain]

i mean thing is i don't really think i want to have a polaris once i have the rest of my fleet, as nice as the polaris is, it's just too much combat for me and it'll probably be too expensive to run as a base type of ship as a solo player

[west imp]

you could keep the upgrade and not apply it, or just melt it when you find something you like more

[opaque rain]

if it would be viable for that i'd have it sure, but even now i kind of want it since operating costs will be low probably when it first releases.

[opaque rain]

i mean i have things i like more, i apply nothing is the thing. mainly i'm waiting on galaxy and endeavor, which the galaxy is at least 2 years away and endeavor is god knows how many, they're more likely to be sustainable to run

i like the polaris quite a lot too but the operating costs to use it as a base, solo, will probably be too much

i don't want to apply this and lose my wb's though

i might just go for it and keep the polaris though, idk lol

[west imp]

not a whole lot higher than the polaris in terms of cost

as in

nothing to really go from there

[opaque rain]

yeah exactly, i'd have to melt

idk, when it releases it's gonna depend on my hype

maybe i'll go for it and keep it

like, i just don't think in a finished game i'll be able to take it out and use it in the way i want to

[west imp]

at that point you're kinda stuck with it imo

melting it is a massive waste

[opaque rain]

yeah

idk, once it releases i'll see

what can fit in it and how does it feel inside

[west imp]

you could keep it and see what they add in the future

[opaque rain]

if i like it enough i'll pull the trigger, then it will be a hangar piece when the game is finished lol

[west imp]

if they add another sub 1000 USD ship you like

or concept

[opaque rain]

i mean, it's less about wanting to upgrade from it, i like the polaris anyway

i like the three rsi doritos, but the finances of the polaris gonna be hard

eh who am i kidding, i'm probably gonna apply on iae lol

[proper junco]

thinking wont help

applying the upgrade will tho

[dim narwhal]

keep it

Look at it like this

Down the road when AI crew is added,

youll have a huge advantage and ship to HELP you get into either large ship warfare or some big cash missions

I would say, as an offensive ship, its a great ship to keep and will be small enough crew wise that it shouldn't be TO expensive,

other then the torps

[opaque rain]

yea but i dont really care about warfare or any missions the polaris might bring

imma produce slam in my endeavor, i want the polaris to be my base until my other ships come on

and after that it's a very expensive collection piece

[opaque rain]

i mean i do, i just doubt im gonna do them enough for it to make sense

[mossy yoke]

since PVE enemys are AI crewd, there is no reason, to lock it for players! not a tiny reason...

[halcyon estuary]

Netcode considerations is a major reason...

[dim narwhal]

How is it cope? They have mentioned it for years, alot of content yesterday thats being worked on wasn't mentioned.

so just because it wasn't brought up doesn't mean its not being worked on. Its simply something that is apart of fleet engagments which they DID speak about

[west imp]

because after years of overhyping the most we've seen that even resembles it is a broken idris AI that can't even properly target, much less destroy anything

[dim narwhal]

And? Its something that will take time, they've also discussed adding blades and shown working examples of those which are almost no different then a "AI" crew.

Alot was not discussed, but that doesn't mean nothing is being worked on, if we use that logic that means a majority of the ships are "abandoned" and wont see release.

Engineering also wasn't really talked about,

[west imp]

"take time", AI blades are almost as old as some of these concept ships in terms of promises

[dim narwhal]

yes and its a big game, sounds like you dont realize how much they are working on everything

[west imp]

so? We have actual footage about engineering

not to mention it is the core focus of an entire major update

[dim narwhal]

So? We have actual footage about AI crews as well.

[west imp]

show me a footage of "AI crew" that doesn't involve some NPC ship shooting at shit

of actual AI crew working on a human controlled ship

[dim narwhal]

Dont ignore squadron 42's crew on the javelin during combat scenes.

[west imp]

because clearly the netcode of squadron 42 and PU are the same

[dim narwhal]

Again, AI crew beyond combat is going to take alot of time.

[west imp]

clearly there are no limiting factors between a single player game vs a multiplayer game

[dim narwhal]

Clearly you dont understand the basis of star citizen and how the entire process has taken a long time.

Everything to this point has taken 12 years.

[west imp]

oh I quite understand that, as I literally said above

[west imp]

^

[dim narwhal]

Not at all if you think that applies to only one thing.

The ships that are concepts have been just as long, doesn't mean they aren

[west imp]

I understand the concept of time, I also understand that blind hope isn't supportive evidence

[dim narwhal]

aren't gonna be made,

You obv have no real answer as you are ignoring the flaws in your own argument.

[west imp]

the thing is, people have paid for those ships, people have not paid for AI blades/crew at all

your argument is so fucking stupid

[dim narwhal]

your argument is worse bud, You argued time, yet time applies to concept ships as well.

[west imp]

until an AI blade preorder releases, they have zero commitment to it

[dim narwhal]

yet only target the crews/.

Your completely tunnel visioned and not acknowledging how flawed your logic is

[west imp]

yeah, it does, and a lot of these concept ships (look at polaris), which are so many years older than the concept of AI blades, are actually releasing

where is the single bit of evidence that AI blades are coming?

words?

[dim narwhal]

Concept ships were words yes?

[west imp]

concept ships are concept ships because they have pictures and interiors already designed and worked out in one way or another

[dim narwhal]

Sorry bud, but it seems like you are just bein a negative nancy

[west imp]

this is literal cope from someone that believes in false hope

[dim narwhal]

Or you are just upset it hasn't been released yet and have no patience,

[west imp]

I'm upset that it hasn't been released? You are in denial, I am in acceptance

what stupid conclusion is that?

[dim narwhal]

You are simply being negative for the sake of being negative,

ignoring all the recent publications this year about both AI blades and crews.

Simply to spark an argument.

[west imp]

no, I am being realistic by understanding that we have seen zero hints at AI blades/crew coming so far other than their promises, from CIG of all people

[dim narwhal]

Look bud, huff that paint if you want, Im leaving the possibility open as they've shown rather then sitting down, and bitchin like a kid because I have a negative view on it.

[west imp]

the fact you used engineering as not being in the game yet as a reason to believe AI blades/crew are coming is a fucking joke

[dim narwhal]

I simply drew a comparison, between your argument, and engineering.

[west imp]

you're the one huffing paint, you are literally delusional

[dim narwhal]

As well as concept ships

And other mechanics,

[west imp]

a comparison between something that is coming and something that 'might' come

[dim narwhal]

Which have only been discussed, with some art work.

[west imp]

what a great comparison

truly a form of art

[west imp]

as I said, people paid for concept ships, they will release no matter what

[dim narwhal]

Your own logic discredited you bud, it is what it is, not gonna debate with that of a child over this.

[west imp]

you're a fucking joke, most delusional person I've met in this channel

and that's saying something between this and the people thinking the polaris is a cargo ship

[dim narwhal]

Lol whatever you say bud

[west imp]

nice argument

got me there

[dim narwhal]

you've got this bud, keep goin

Just believe in yourself.

you'll get there someday

[west imp]

calls me a kid, proceeds to continue something he said he was done with

clearly I'm the kid

[dim narwhal]

Im not arguing, Im simply helpin you go on?

[west imp]

I would love to continue this discussion though

[west imp]

ah yes, classic, the sovereign citizen type argument of "I'm not driving, I'm traveling"

really pulled one from their books

[dim narwhal]

If i was continuing it I would have said something about the AI, yet I didn't

I simply told ya, to keep goin, and believe in yourself.

[west imp]

you would have said something about the AI, if there was anything to actually show about the matter

[dim narwhal]

Lol, you lookin to fight out of everything now.

[west imp]

which surprise surprise, there isn't

[dim narwhal]

No, im just done debating with you.

Which is why I dropped it, you just cant stop bringing it up.

[west imp]

because clearly you were "debating" me earlier, instead of going on a schizo rant about something that was promised to you 8 years ago

[dim narwhal]

I was, I explained the flaws in your argument, you didn't like it, I simply said if its not discussed does not mean its abandoned or wont happen/.

[west imp]

you're ready to call it quits whenever it best suites you, that's what it is

you have nothing to show with your argument

[dim narwhal]

You need to take a chill pill dude, your blood pressure is out of wack.

[west imp]

you can't even provide anything related to AI blades/crew

because they don't exist

not even in pictures

[dim narwhal]

Oh boy, and it continues, man is on a rant now

[west imp]

more like having a jolly laugh

[dim narwhal]

ima let you argue with yourself/

[west imp]

you are pure entertainment

the combination of what makes up the worst part of this community

the long term copers

who believe in something that has never been hinted at for 8 years

[mossy yoke]

he guys its funny reading, but let it be, there are always those corp lovers which fear, mighty solo player can break their multicrew dream... because Bots are only for games like Counter Strike

Bots are not allowed in Star Citizen, they dont make Droid like AI computers like in Halo...

They are only on Steam punk future...

which need the real experience of a Star Trek crew like game! with only humans allowed... no borg...

[west imp]

I'm not saying that I dislike the idea of AI blades/crew, I'm saying it's an impossible dream that CIG has shrugged off for years because they know that it's something they can't reasonably commit to, because this game is already unbalanced and unstable as is

[opaque rain]

also this

[west imp]

hell, we can't even log into the game 1/3rd of the time

[mossy yoke]

but Bots are the oldest mechanic of PC games... bits can do everything better than most human player

in any game

because they are allowed to chaet

[west imp]

as I said, it's not an issue on formulating it

it's an issue with netcode, stability, and balance

[opaque rain]

this has nothing to do with ai crew in pu

SP bots are way different to MP bots

[west imp]

as I tried to tell him

of course, he brushed past that part

[mossy yoke]

hm i dont understand, so a Counter Strike Bot eats up more ressources then a Player?

[opaque rain]

yes

wayyyyyyyyy more

[mossy yoke]

na

[opaque rain]

first of all

navmesh calculations

[west imp]

star citizen is so much larger than that though

[opaque rain]

that is way more resources than a player

[mossy yoke]

bots act xy... players act wird

[opaque rain]

no

see, players act, that's client inputs, there's no calculations there

bots need their actions to be calculated server side which is huge overhead

it is huge

[mossy yoke]

but those inputs need to get to all other players, over the server

[west imp]

the servers already run at 30 FPS, even less if you do one of CIG's 1000/2000 player tests

[opaque rain]

that's not calculations

[mossy yoke]

give some dedicadet bot server

[west imp]

imagine that with a couple polaris'

[opaque rain]

that's sending requests

[mossy yoke]

which join like players then

[west imp]

that's not how it works

[opaque rain]

anyone with knowledge of bots will tell you how much more resources bots are over players

they require the same as players PLUS calculations on their state, what they can see, where they can go, and what they should do

its hgue overheaed

[mossy yoke]

i dont care, alle PC games out ther can will and do exactly that, fill death server with Bots!!

[west imp]

you don't spawn a couple servers 100% for bots, those bots have to interact with players, the environment around them, and the netcode, if this was a bot vs bot single player game, it would work, but this is massive multiplayer

the resources are already limited just trying to keep the servers from frying with 100+ people, now imagine that with a couple hundred bots assuming everyone is doing space things in space game

[mossy yoke]

ah nice that you say that! their will bi PVE events with atleast Bots on more than one side!!

so fir events we will have bots

[opaque rain]

most games dont have mechanics like star citizen that is incredibly terrible to calculate navmesh

[mossy yoke]

or do you tell me there will be no PVE!?

[west imp]

honestly doubt it

this game is PvPvE

[mossy yoke]

i say just give those PVE ai one more task, be my crew

[west imp]

in its core

[mossy yoke]

so all those Vandule? will be player?

[west imp]

that's not possible, if they do that for you, they do it for everyone, if they do it for everyone, the game stops working entirely

[mossy yoke]

ther is no human vs alien war events?

[west imp]

vanduul are currently SQ42 only

which is single player

[opaque rain]

that has nothing to do with ai crew

ai crew is vastly different than say ai ships

[mossy yoke]

hm no vandul in PU?

[west imp]

not until AT LEAST 1.0

[opaque rain]

honestly i dont think you have the understanding to comment on this

[mossy yoke]

this game is dead then...

ill only go singelplayer

[west imp]

they'll probably add vanduul with 1.0, as some of the systems they want to add have been invaded by them

[mossy yoke]

ah i am fine getting AI crew az finished game, i can wait

[west imp]

but it won't be in the scale you are thinking of

we already have AI pirates/bounties

it'll be similar to that probably

[mossy yoke]

where can i read this info myself?

[opaque rain]

there is: ai shoot at red target

and there is: ai figure out where it is, where all the boxes are, what my purpose is, where it is, how to go there, how to do my job, etc

[west imp]

there is no info on AI blades

as I tried telling the other guy

it doesn't exist

[mossy yoke]

dont tell me, that ai cand do player tasks... ai can do it even without using player avatar ... easy

[west imp]

the only thing we know about them is from the Q and A's, which literally just say "yes yes, man turrets/PC's with AI"

[opaque rain]

i legit think you're not reading

[mossy yoke]

ah no i mean about this thing no vandul no big PVE events! no wars no aliens nothing... big

[opaque rain]

read this please

these are different things

2nd one is much much harder to do

[mossy yoke]

nono i want to know more about PVE contend now

[west imp]

SQ42 is entirely based on the wars with the vanduul

[mossy yoke]

if i need to craft against or trade with humans, even if i am not fighting its like PvP to me

[opaque rain]

please read what i typed down, you will understand it

hopefully

[west imp]

I don't know what to tell you, the PU just isn't for you

[mossy yoke]

so i can make Reputation with PvE Factions

[west imp]

SQ42 is story based, so likely no

[mossy yoke]

those need good pve content

[west imp]

you can in the PU

[mossy yoke]

which needs good AI

[west imp]

and that's what pyro is coming with too

more factions to interact with

[mossy yoke]

like i fly with AI in a engenier role

[west imp]

[opaque rain]

bruh

[mossy yoke]

if not SC will deliver nothing with wow effect...

[opaque rain]

is this a test from god

[mossy yoke]

if its just a better EVE

then they faild the big dream

[west imp]

a test from the omnissiah

[mossy yoke]

ah no i am a chatgpt

[opaque rain]

ima stop i cant take it

[west imp]

the 'wow' effect is doing something that no other game has done

with 1:1 scale ships and space

[mossy yoke]

nah

[west imp]

that is what "star citizen" is

[mossy yoke]

as you say

[west imp]

they have a ton of plans for jobs and factions, but at the end of the day this game isn't supposed to focus on one thing

it's very much about doing what you want to

[mossy yoke]

i know this is a very old entriy!! but

allready in 2013 the dream of AI crew was full. stated!!

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13288-Multiple-Package-Clarification

[mossy yoke]

i want to command my AI crew

[west imp]

only happening on SQ42

[west imp]

yes, stated, but there has been nothing to show for it at all

it's clearly overly ambitious and beyond what this game is capable of in any time within the next, oh I don't know, 5+ years?

[mossy yoke]

Creating Crewmen

Many of Star Citizen’s ships, such as the Freelancer or Constellation, feature positions for multiple crewmen. Players will always be able to hire NPC crewmen in the game, contracting computer-controlled crews to help man turrets, run consoles and fly escort. If you would like the option of customizing your crew, you can create your own NPCs by using a Game Character slot. You will go through the same character creation process as your player character but will then have the option of handing off control to an AI. As an additional bonus, friends can ‘drop in’ to take over these crewmen themselves and to help man your spacecraft when available.

[west imp]

[opaque rain]

its lost mr tank

[mossy yoke]

okay then i wait 5 years

you told me its never happening, no its 5 years

[opaque rain]

i think we're actually getting chatgpt'd

[west imp]

I give up, this is the same thing as talking to the last guy

same situation

[mossy yoke]

yeah hehehe

[opaque rain]

i legit think it's chatgpt

[west imp]

"yes, it's promised"
"no, in 12 years we've seen nothing about it"

[opaque rain]

like i genuinely believe it

[mossy yoke]

just calm down

[west imp]

I am calm, that's why I'm trying to tell you that you realistically should have no expectations for it

💤

[mossy yoke]

RSI said AI crew said AI blades, just stop telling its not coming, working or destroying org gameplay...

if RSI one days says no AI i am fine... but thats not the state

if, pls show link to prof

[west imp]

I hope that you don't have concierge

[mossy yoke]

i never overhyped, i just hate that one wants to tell me thats not coming... because there is no proof of this

[west imp]

you are delusional like the last guy

credit cards should require a mental evaluation

[mossy yoke]

hm okay, so even if i dont have a singel pledge i maybe like the idea of AI crew to later play the game?!

what hast Cash to do with this cool feature of AI crew?

[west imp]

IwillnotwishtoestubIwillnotwishtoestubIwillnotwishtoestub

[fierce arrow]

Then why did you buy a warship??

https://tenor.com/view/farthyun-spongebob-fish-gif-19873333

[fierce arrow]

They have Blade models in the New Babbage commons. They just don’t have function yet.

[fierce arrow]

They did work on NPCs earlier this year. Pathfinding wasn’t it?

[west imp]

doesn't really mean much when the limitations extend past simply modeling

[west imp]

wasn't that for SQ42...?

[fierce arrow]

It was for NPC crew. Dynamic pathfinding as opposed to trailfinding or whatever they used on that demo.

[opaque rain]

i didn't, i have a ccu

[fierce arrow]

[west imp]

a CCU that leads nowhere

[opaque rain]

i mean i had store creds

[spice moon]

you got it for the same reason I got the starlancer

"because why not"

[frank lily]

OMG C'MON POLLY..... i cant wait...!!!

[weak hill]

I bought polaris cause its big ship 🤤

[mossy yoke]

big is relativ hehehe but yeah its a tiny flagship

[blazing fiber]

It’s a big ship stop it they didn’t over exaggerate and say humongous they said Big which it objectively is

[mossy yoke]

"The Polaris is a nimble corvette-class capital ship", so its a big ship for large ships, like the tiny perseus, but the kraken would say its not really big

hm in its bigger then large, but small capital... or something like that

[blazing fiber]

Size comparison to the character it is a big ship

[weak hill]

Its as big as an 890 but with military functions so its a big ship finna be my new home

[coral rover]

890 used to be my flagship but next month it's gonna be replaced

[weak hill]

I love the 890 for living in it as a home but since its so luxury based it feels very limiting even for fully crewed combat use. The polaris finna go hard asf

[fierce arrow]

I have both.

[rigid brook]

Well I mean 890 isn’t really big it’s just fat the perfect example of wasted space

[austere gull]

it's designed to waste space because it's luxury
but one ship who does waste space as a design flaw is the 600i

[fierce arrow]

The Atrium is a waste of space but probably a luxury since most ships are so cramped. The Hangar could have been half as tall.

[real hemlock]

Anyone wanna take a guess at the exact date of sale for the Polaris?

[rigid brook]

The same day as RSI day during IAE

Would be funny if RSI is last day

[fierce arrow]

IAE Day 1?

[sharp raven]

Any one of you have the Polaris 3d model files?

[untold gorge]

What sold me on it: leaving it hovering like a star destroyer over a bunker while my friends take our arrows down to a bunker ready to tear some shit up

This was pre MM so obviously now the arrow won’t even tear through a wet tissue

[fierce arrow]

AI bad.

[fierce arrow]

A Starlancer TAC seems meant for CAS with the Fury hangar and everything.

[untold gorge]

?

who is Al

[untold gorge]

yeah but it looks ugly and non threatening lol

[fierce arrow]

That ship...

[fierce arrow]

S5 Broadside guns say otherwise.

[untold gorge]

i dont know what a shipo is either dude youve lost me

[fierce arrow]

The ship in the image...?

[untold gorge]

yeah but the polaris is literally a venator class destroyer

if it hovers above your town you know your finished

[untold gorge]

what about it?

its not he polaris lol just an example

[fierce arrow]

No? It's significantly smaller, has less firepower, and can be defeated by an actual Stardestroyer like my Javelin. PD Kills its torpedos and It lacks significant firepower in its guns.

[untold gorge]

ok well maybe not literally a star destroyer, but it looks like one

maybe a Arquitens-Class Light Cruiser

[fierce arrow]

It's kinda pointy but it need bigger guns. The Bridge design is nice though.

[untold gorge]

javelin better drop with ai blades and crew lol

[fierce arrow]

Agreed.

[untold gorge]

1.0 or nah?

[fierce arrow]

What, Javelin? Hopefully before since 1.0 is ten years out.

[untold gorge]

eh idk about that

they seem set on rushing it ouit

[fierce arrow]

I sure hope so. For better or worse...

[untold gorge]

Latest info

[fierce arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/megumin-elmo-elmo-rise-fire-flames-gif-19598540

[rigid brook]

In order words they have no idea

[hallow rose]

Or, they're still figuring out the best ship to release with AI blades so they can maximise captial gain with the new venture

Maybe an alien capital ship

[fierce arrow]

Javelin!

[rigid brook]

Probably Perseus

Cause isn’t its size 3 turrets ai bladed

Plus technically don’t they have the tech already considering pdc and npc on turrets are already technically automated, all they gotta do is on turret seats put like a disk slot and then make ai disks we buy that we slot in them, then boom ai operated turrets without npc, just make npc crew when they come better then ai bladed turrets, then of course actual players are better then both

[mossy yoke]

hm better than player... so no AimBot lol

maybe AI is somewhere in the middle, i think player can be really bad or super good, player could try to sabotage your ship aswell

hm how will they handel security needs? like some cool long john silver storys...

me owner and captain of the ship gets mutiny and the rebells kick me out into space...

like how can i even trust other players invited into my ship?

ther needs to be some standing, so player can vote, if the party with xy went good...

sometimes youll get bad votes, just someone dosent like you hm hm ... complicated as hell