Perseus Pals

[humble anvil]

ravit u logged out before testing the best update of 4.5

[azure fulcrum]

at least with quest 3s and frame its completely wireless and you can just go to a different room (my pc room has no 2x2m lol)

[humble anvil]

right alt + h

[lone bloom]

already tested it

[azure fulcrum]

its wireless and has a snapdragon

[lone bloom]

but for me he only hangs it on the back

[lone bloom]

dunno how he puts it on his hand

[humble anvil]

left alt + h, is on back

right alt + h is carry

[lone bloom]

SC literally the only game

that uses right alt

[humble anvil]

😄

[lone bloom]

yeah I don't like wireless

[azure fulcrum]

liek most keyboards don't even have right alt anymore lol

[lone bloom]

Because it means that the Headset itsself carries the needed hardware

and has to download the games

meaning its unneeded more expensive

I just want it to have the display and sound

not more

[azure fulcrum]

eh quest 3s can do that

[humble anvil]

All i want for Christmas is a white Cambio SRT

[azure fulcrum]

and its cheap

[lone bloom]

yet it has a CPU, storage, GPU

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-goofy-goober-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebog-harness-gif-17090518438893993499

Battery life 2.2 hours LMAO

and 2.3 hours charge time XD

[azure fulcrum]

I'm not going to jump around more than 2 hours lol

if you go do games seated you can just go wired

[lone bloom]

well you don't move "that"much

jumping is still a keybind

just as crouching

fully optional if you actually do it or not physically

[azure fulcrum]

so basically you just wave your armsaround?

[lone bloom]

yep

lol

[azure fulcrum]

damn that sounds stupid lol

[lone bloom]

i mean your hands and head are either way the only thing that gets tracked

[azure fulcrum]

xDDD

[lone bloom]

unless you buy a full body tracking kit

[azure fulcrum]

VR sounds pretty lame

[lone bloom]

it can absolutely detect if you "crouch" or jump, by simply knowing that you suddenly "decrease" or "increase" in size

since he asks you prior how tall you are

but you cant move your legs independently for example

or torso

[azure fulcrum]

yeah if I were to go VR I'd want full body tracking at least.

[lone bloom]

yeah thats where it gets very expensive lmao

also SC doesn't support that

heck it doens't even support the controllers

[azure fulcrum]

heh

they said it will in the future

soon TM

[lone bloom]

ik

5 years

trust

just saying full body tracking can easily surpass the cost of the headset itsself

xD

just one tracker from Vive aka steam costs 100-150

and you need uh for total body tracking i think 6

or 8

[azure fulcrum]

heh

[lone bloom]

and that does not even include the 3-4 base stations you need

[azure fulcrum]

ohh rightt

[lone bloom]

aka those you have to put in the corners of the room

[azure fulcrum]

you need a big ass room for that

[lone bloom]

not really

but the base stations need to see where you are standing

and have to be in the corners of the room

[azure fulcrum]

really its better to wait until they figure out full body tracking without having all that mess

[lone bloom]

they pretty much shoot constant "lasers" around in your room and track those trackers on your body where they are constantly and therefor know how you move

[lone bloom]

They figured it out, it works very reliably

its just expensive

[azure fulcrum]

like with Dance dance revolution on ps2 20 years agoit just uses a webcam. done full body tracking

[lone bloom]

pretty sure the tracking with vr is significantly more precicely xD

and wouldn't get confused with multiple people

Ironically the game I played the most in VR isn't really a game where you move alot in terms of walking around or such

you're literally just standing

(Beatsaber)

[azure fulcrum]

beatsaber and the shooters seemed fun

you just use the joystick to walk around with shooters

or uh the point and aim thingy

[lone bloom]

pretty much

very likely to be the case for SC too once they implement it

surely not the teleport thing tho

[azure fulcrum]

hah

[lone bloom]

also I don't see VR really being that kind of advantage or something in SC

[azure fulcrum]

first person shooting is fun in VR

[lone bloom]

Its more like a rule of cool or "fun" gadget

[azure fulcrum]

gimmick

[lone bloom]

like, its really nice to walk around, to fly around

Soontm with basebuilding to build your base maybe in VR and decorate it etc

and just "exist"

That will be significantly cooler than just on a monitor

But assoon it comes to combat its dogshit ngl

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

[lone bloom]

dunno if its a VR limitation

or a SC/CIG skill issue

the Hud being dogshit is absolutely on CIG but they said its experimental and far from good or ready

I just experienced that esp for combat the Hud is almost useless, you cant reliably aim at targets

and further distance stuff like ships in space become very fast pixelated

but the last part may be because of my VR headset being quite older

[azure fulcrum]

for sure

[lone bloom]

but on the other hand its still Full HD - per eye

so it shouldn't pixelate ?

[azure fulcrum]

does VR at least give some better depth perception?

[lone bloom]

absolutely

lol

Ships appear significantly larger

[azure fulcrum]

hmm

is it an advantage or just distorting and distracting?

[lone bloom]

dunno ngl

Its not like anything is "stretched" its just "larger"

or at least it feels like it

[azure fulcrum]

ahh

[lone bloom]

Its like you stand next to a Perseus and question if you are a Ant yourself suddenly

[azure fulcrum]

is the rift S uncomfortable? does it feel sweaty or dent your face after hours of use?

[lone bloom]

No, but its heavy

[azure fulcrum]

cuz even with my headphones I feel like they get uncomfortable after like 6 hours of use

[lone bloom]

also pretty sure you cannot buy a Rift S anymore

"new"

also wouldn't recommend doing it

[azure fulcrum]

the top of my head and ears hurt a little

[azure fulcrum]

yeah I was just thinking VR headsets in general are probably uncomfy for long use

and inconvenient unless you have an external camera to see your environment

[lone bloom]

Thats why i want a option of good VR headsets

that they have NOTHING in terms of hardware

Just the display and sound

so they are as light as possible

and as small as possible

[azure fulcrum]

bigscreen beyond vr2?

[lone bloom]

yeah like that one

[azure fulcrum]

yeah thats the only one that seems comfortable enough and immersive enough

[lone bloom]

Because I don#t need the Vr to have any kind of hardware inside

I just want it to mirror my display in VR

The hardware needed is in my PC

[azure fulcrum]

kinda decent but not paying like 1500$ for it lol

[lone bloom]

why the fuck do i want hardware I have to pay extra hundreds of bucks for in the VR?

[azure fulcrum]

yeah exactly

[lone bloom]

yeah which is extremely unreasonable

[azure fulcrum]

it is stupid

[lone bloom]

Its just a display

in my view considering something like the frame or meta 3

cost 500 ish

meta 3 bit less

if they would offer a variant with JUST the display in smaller like the Bigscreen beyond

make it 100 bucks

maybe 150

and i insta buy

[azure fulcrum]

oh yeah

we're on the same page

cut the gimmick bullshit

just give me a binocular screen in front of my eyes

[lone bloom]

I mean my designer training was mainly about product designs

And boy, the VR headsets are mostly so stuffed with useless shit

just to artifically have a argument to give it such a price tag

[azure fulcrum]

lets hope bigscreen beyond isn't a one off thing but more will follow this example and make lightweight headset screens with tracking

[lone bloom]

like, technically speaking you don't need a sound system inside of them (but i see why they decide to do so) but could technically use just your headset aslong it supports surround sound (which most newer headsets do some better some worse)

and that the VR Headset has hardware itsself build into it should only be a requirement if the headset is meant to be used outside of your home

aka porteable

Assoon its meant to be connected to a PC, scrap all of that

make it cost 50% less due to no hardware built into it

and smaller frame

signficantly more people would buy it

[azure fulcrum]

I like the beyond strap you can just use your own headphones over it

[lone bloom]

and most PCs (or better said mainboards) have very good Wifi connections

doesn't even need a cable just to mirror the display

[lone bloom]

Also random idea

Make them Modular

[azure fulcrum]

wifi 7 is good enough in terms of latency

[lone bloom]

So t here is a "base" version of a VR headset with all the same stats but no hardware and no sound, then a Porteable one with hardware and sound, and a porteable with Wifi connection to PC and sound and no hardware built into it

aka one fully standalone that doesn't need a PC, and two different ones for PC

Did they gave a reason for the Beyond that its that expensive?

The specs aren't even that great of the display

2K 75-90hz

[azure fulcrum]

not really no. and beyond still has very heavy glare

very shitty

better to wait for beyond v10

not worth 1500$ thats for sure lmao

[lone bloom]

with those specs

100 bucks

[azure fulcrum]

also the fan is really annoying its a high pitch

[lone bloom]

make it 4K OLED, 150 bucks

[azure fulcrum]

yep that sounds way more reasonable

[azure fulcrum]

basically its just a cheaper version of a desk monitor

[lone bloom]

i mean

[azure fulcrum]

tiny oled screens cost a few bucks

[lone bloom]

its 1/30 the size

[azure fulcrum]

VR is a scam

[lone bloom]

those screens are just as big as your eyeballs

maybe bit larger

[lone bloom]

I think its because of the tech being still somewhat "new"

Its like 3D Printers

As they were new or somewhat new they were almost unaffordeable

and now 15-20 years later you can get entry models for 100 bucks

[heady escarp]

im so cold right now my GPU dropped to 25 while I play star citizen

[azure fulcrum]

yeah the lense technology is relatively new I guess

and you have to pay for the bullshit gimmick R&D

thats also included in the price

[lone bloom]

Ironically the games for VR itsself are cheap tho

[azure fulcrum]

yeah because they're as shallow as star citizen

basically tech demos lol

[humble anvil]

So many 'like new' OLED monitors

Sucks mine is traveling cross country, almost certain it's going to be fucked when it gets here

[lone bloom]

Its gonna end up on Evergreen v2

[humble anvil]

What's that

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/evergreen-suez-canal-baddriving-ship-stuckship-gif-20900398

The huge Container shio that tried to rotate in a canal

[humble anvil]

Lmao

[lone bloom]

And fully blocking it

For days or weeks

https://tenor.com/view/bateau-suez-ever-given-evergreen-canal-gif-21406192

That one

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

They decided to punish you

For canceling your order like 10 times

[humble anvil]

That was me putting in order thinking if I want it or not while doing research

I'd see like burn in worries, but then it's not actually much of a problem on 3rd gen panels. So I buy again

Then I see like there is different between QD and woled, and I worry about my room with QD and purple blacks so I cancel

[tawny fern]

wtf lol

[humble anvil]

Then I see well actually there's nothing wrong with QD, it's actually more vibrant so I cancel

But then I see a better deal so I cancel

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-ping-pong-gif-8581108703754693305

[humble anvil]

AND THEN I SEE; OH WHY BUY WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THIS AND SHOULD MAYBE SAVE SOME MONEY

Anyways, idk how I landed where I am but $400 for a like new "no damage to screen, packaging is heavily damaged, screen like new during testing"

But it's crossing the ENTIRE COUNTRY to get to me

[lone bloom]

I mean it its broken or more damaged than stated can always send it back

[humble anvil]

Geuss we'll find out

So much money sending it back for them

They wasting so much having to ship it from Washington (north west) to east coast Pennsylvania (Far east) lmaoo

[tawny fern]

oh

[humble anvil]

They genuinely might just let me keep it

[tawny fern]

i return shit all the time

[humble anvil]

Yup

I'm planning to fully utilize the "hey so this isn't as described, it's a little scuffed, could I get a discount instead of sending it back" IF .. IF it's a bit fucked

[lone bloom]

[humble anvil]

Cosmetic wise, or a small scratch meh, but

[lone bloom]

This

Is why we cant have great things

[humble anvil]

They said no cosmetic scratches and screen is like new

Tested perfect functionality

If it ain't that way

[lone bloom]

Riot

But cannot be as worse as my gpu purchase last year

[humble anvil]

Lord have mercy

I should have waited

Could of had a 9070xt but it issss what it is

Few days after getting the 7900 gre, microcenter was running a deal to get a $600 9070xt

With amd bundle

[lone bloom]

Bought a 4080 on a online store i usually buy everything, was stated i recieve it 4 days after purchase but suddenly they said out of stock

A day after i purchased

And i waited for 3 months and they had my money for 3 months already

[humble anvil]

Sounds like typical German stuff

[lone bloom]

Well after 3 months they canceled my order

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

And kept the money for 3 whole weeks still afterwards

[humble anvil]

[azure fulcrum]

I think something similar happened to me a long time ago with a graphics card

[lone bloom]

Until i threatened with a lawsuit

They didnt sended it back

[lone bloom]

Literally

Had to buy it on a different store for 100 bucks more

[humble anvil]

Why I only buy from Amazon, ship n sold

[lone bloom]

But they componsated me those 100

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

Aka 100bucks giftcard for their store

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

I mean i still had to pay 100 more

[humble anvil]

100$ rebate

Go brr

[lone bloom]

No

I wouldve paid 1100

Canceled

Had to buy for 1200

They gave me 100 as compensation

So its zeroed for me

[azure fulcrum]

once alternate sent me double ram I ordered I sent the double back for a refund. I got free 200 euro ram 🤷‍♂️

I scam webshops not the other way around lol

[lone bloom]

Something like that doesnt happen

Here only the Company scams you

[azure fulcrum]

XDD

[lone bloom]

I mean they had the same gpu i bought and they canceled

4 days later for 1150 bucks in their store

I was like bro why did you guys canceled if you knew you get restock in less than a week are you braindead

[azure fulcrum]

simple, its because when it restocks they up the price

and they expect you to pay more lol

[lone bloom]

They did by 50

Well shitting on them i already bought the gpu on a different store at that time already

And had the 100 bucks compensation already

So in the end they had to gift me some stuff kind of (bought 2 good pc Fans from that)

And since i bought the gpu on a different store they didnt made money from me

[lone bloom]

Funfact at least in terms of that law Protects you here in germany from that if you already purchased it and they fail to deliever it for some reason forcing you to buy it on a different store like i had to theyre forced to compensate you the full difference

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

I mean Amazon is just the platform

If i wouldve bought it over Amazone but still over the same "store/shop" it wouldve lead to the same

Depends more on the seller not on Amazon itsself

(Unless Amazon is the Seller i guess )

I wonder if those stuff count for cig too if they fail to deliever a ship within x time frame

Speaking of bmm for example

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-bbt-sleep-i-dont-need-sleep-gif-5115394

[humble anvil]

You can buy from other sellers through Amazon yes. But I mostly only ever buy if sold n shipped by Amazon because when it's sold n shipped by someone else I do have guarantees, but it's not amazon yah know. "Hey I want to return this, okay here's your money back"

And if that seller is a scam account just so scuffed

[lone bloom]

I mean fair but also surely depends on the price

I mean couldve also bought it on the tech store here... for "just" 900 bucks more than the online price in multiple other stores

Aka 2k instead of 1.1k

[azure fulcrum]

vandoodoo 💩

pointy sharp edge so scary

basically this

[crystal sleet]

my JS-500s 😭

[tawny fern]

now we're talkin

[tawny fern]

oh my god the top s3 gimbals for the pilot are insane now

and the ballistic pdc's are cracked too

holy hell

[humble anvil]

I use shredders, pretty good

And yeah the ballistic PDC are fantastic

I'm glad PvE has been made easier, for the time being; makes players feel powerful and rewarding

[lone bloom]

"Fighters? What fighters?"

The pdcs killed the fighters faster than i could turn the turret to aim at them

[lone bloom]

Also did they increase the speed of Medusa alot?

Got the feeling i have to aim alot less towards ships

[severe lynx]

i feel like they changed the fire cone of the S8

i used to be able to aim the front turret downwards a bit but now i cant seem to do that

[humble anvil]

No

[lone bloom]

@humble anvil appears that Perseus Medusas can kill a polaris faster, than the Idris Laser

It has more damage, but has to eat through shield and armor first

And suffers of course from being very unprecicely, while Perseus just punches straight through

[humble anvil]

Can you confirm if Idris laser is actually 2800 meters?

[lone bloom]

just saw it in foxyloxy video

so dunno

[humble anvil]

But yeah man ballistics are just where it's at for this patch

I think it's funny how fast we killed that PVE Polaris

And if we target the ballistic canon at the nose we are basically golden and have free rein over the Polaris

Even in a PVP scenario we can just rotate our shield facings

But man if the Polaris turrets were outfitted with full ballistics we would be in trouble

But for PVE isn't it really fun and rewarding?!?!

[lone bloom]

totally... 307K

lol

splittet

[humble anvil]

But doesn't it make you feel good? S*** actually dying and you just having a good time

[lone bloom]

make still more by just grinding ERT

wondering why the polaris mission doesn't pay like 500K

[humble anvil]

You solo URT missions in the Perseus don't you

[lone bloom]

well

you surely can

[humble anvil]

ERT

[lone bloom]

lol

didn't try it yet

but if the gilly 7 isn't a issue

ERT won't either

since Gilly 7 has more ships

[humble anvil]

All the light fighters are coming to ballistic PDC

[lone bloom]

and for the larger one just jump into the turret

[humble anvil]

Yeah lol

[lone bloom]

(coping it doesn't decide to ram you lol)

[humble anvil]

It's too bad there's not more rewards to doing these specific missions besides AUEC and to do something

Would love love love love love if we had mercenary guild vendors or Crusader security vendors or whatever else that we can grind reputation to unlock rewards

Maybe a reward for hitting Max rank in Crusader security is an upgraded M2 with AI bladed turrets

They could do so much with it but let's make another system dilute the player base across multiple regions

And make them do you fetch quests for wikketroll

[lone bloom]

1especially since they said they wanna do that at some point

just with paints as rewards

or blueprints

[humble anvil]

And did you see that the armor you craft at Wicklow is 1/30 of the rep needed to go to tier 2

Means you have to craft a test pseudo armor 30 times to level it up

Which is absolutely f****** ridiculous

[lone bloom]

Can't wait for warframe like wikelo rolls

[humble anvil]

Who's ready to fusion mod cards together

[lone bloom]

Give 20 armor to reroll stats for one just to get a 2% chance to have 0,5% better stats

[humble anvil]

Yeah so much stuff man that it's just kind of not worth grinding for

[lone bloom]

I don't mind working for blueprints like with reputation or such if the grind is not tedious and boring

and if the stuff i get is generally always "great"

but assoon some kind of gambling is involved into that im out

[humble anvil]

Time to go gamble with the 0.001% drop chance

We are going to be farming bunkers with infinite enemy responds until the key card drops

How long until they add loot beams

And we got guards glowing with an orange beam because an exotic dropped

How long until PVE ships pop and also have a loot beam

Xdddddddd

[lone bloom]

"Fly into beam to get your common armor set"

[humble anvil]

They should man they should have a little crate inside each PVE ship and when the ship soft deaths the crate is populated with loot

And they could add a whole bunch of stuff into it. Maybe some ship armor plating rarity crafting materials like

[lone bloom]

Or also have at least basebuild and crafting materials

but they apparantly removed that PvE ships have cargo in general in the first place

for some stupid reason

[humble anvil]

Yeah

[lone bloom]

It was for me a reason to have a combat ship with cargo capabilities

and they fucking removed it

[humble anvil]

I'm going to take some time specifically to look out for ambush missions with like a raft

But pretty sure we've been over this It's just a bunch of junk

:v

[lone bloom]

Just a bit of gold

and some scra

p

nothing of value neither for basebuilding, crafting or selling

[humble anvil]

I just wish there was a reason to be able to take the materials and stuff from those PVE ships and just pile it up at base

Even the salvaging loop of it is all pretty much worthless and the current environment

Take the guns off the ships take the components, can buy everything from the shop

Missing so much option, that could make it so much more interesting

They don't even give the ships random components either It's all static

No loot diversity either

So shallow so sad

[tawny fern]

all the mercenary missions ive been doing in nyx have been pretty ez pz

perseus is.....saved?

[lone bloom]

you even kill a polaris now significantly faster than before

so "kinda" ish yes

[humble anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1pqrvxq/if_chris_wont_slave_our_guns_forward/

[humble anvil]

this setup would shine really well with paladin

but the pdcs man are such a tremendous help

xd

@lone bloom downvoted, comments salty.

[lone bloom]

what did you expect

[tawny fern]

why ever use laser pdc's

when ballistics are just so much better

[humble anvil]

they're garbage

iknow

lol

[vast lagoon]

Haven't been on long enough to try, but is it still possible to get a bunch of ballistic pdcs from the ground vehicle by the "normal" method

[humble anvil]

yes

repair it yes

[vast lagoon]

Poggies

[humble anvil]

its a little buggg because the weapons arent sticking for whatever reason some times

and when repairing on perseus it doesnt replace the pdcs if you pull em off. its a litttle scuff

[vast lagoon]

I lost all my NBD-30s and ballistic pdcs with this patch

Only 2 of my 28s survived

[vast lagoon]

Normally I would just rip everything off and send the ship into the sun... allegedly

[humble anvil]

oh nah dont do that

well unless you have no money

but if you got some money pull weapons off n click repair

[lone bloom]

why is there btw a second available pip on the weapons?

If its full ballistic

does it do anything?

[humble anvil]

because even with full ballistic, each weapon takes up 0.1 power

each pdc is 0.1

[lone bloom]

but i meant the second pip^^

not the first

[humble anvil]

im not surem but its possible not having full pip power to ballistics will cause some to not work

[lone bloom]

didn't watch the video but at least he had a thumbnail thats not clickbait this time

[humble anvil]

@lone bloom ai pve ships does stuff again

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-woody-toy-story-3-facepalm-worried-gif-3568621156533494843

[humble anvil]

someone hijacked the ai hammerhead and went to town

[lone bloom]

means?

[humble anvil]

he took it into pvp and it does stuff

actual stuff

might go attempt to hijack a polaris lol

but watching this player controlled ai pve hammerhead be kited by a buccaneer is so stupid

[lone bloom]

Fighter meta

as usual

But they at least need now significantly longer to kill larger ships

[humble anvil]

i need an pve perseus to hijack

[azure fulcrum]

my youtube feed is fucked

[heady escarp]

need to ask you this since you know better info
bmm has size 8 guns too, does it mean it can melt polaris in 2min like perseus?

its copium and hopium but somehow when I was sleeping today, I dreamt of it

[lone bloom]

Yes

But its unknown if those are ballistic S8s

Also Perseus has the huge advantage of being fast and nimble compared to the Polaris, so it can just stay at an area where its fairly weak, BMM won't be able to do so since its larger than the Pooplaris

[heady escarp]

in my dream

I opened the hangar of BMM while flying from behind

and swallowed perseus chan

[lone bloom]

just for maximal a Crab Defender to fit into the hangar

[heady escarp]

true,

well thats why Im hoping

they exagerate BMM when its released

like size

its already supposedly bigger size than polaris and 890j

[lone bloom]

Well the very small hangar for its size is kinda a big ouch compared to most other ships

[heady escarp]

but you know what I love the most?

[lone bloom]

But you know

Perseus will be able to do that too?

[heady escarp]

really?

[lone bloom]

You forget blades

[heady escarp]

ah

[lone bloom]

Blades either allow slaving turrets to pilot, or let them act as "turrets"

without need of crew

[heady escarp]

but ehh blades, they will come out this year?

I mean 2026

[lone bloom]

They work on AI Blades already

so - maybe

[tawny fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1442917209235259612/Perseus_Cap_Killer.gif

[lone bloom]

But Perseus could technically have 4x S3 and 2x S8 (2x S3) pilot controlled

(bottom turret doesn't have the angle I assume)

BMM may have 2x S8 and 2x S5 with the top turret if slaved to pilot

[heady escarp]

umm difficult
but if I had to say, between the 2

if bmm was here right now and ai blades too

Ill probably pick bmm for the versatility it provides

[lone bloom]

BMM surely better for solo play

significantly more cargo

[heady escarp]

its true they are not same categories

yeah

[lone bloom]

but it won't have PDCs

[heady escarp]

eeeeeeeeeh????

wasnt it 4 pdc???

[lone bloom]

nvm

it has promised 4 pdcs

[heady escarp]

you made me sweat

[lone bloom]

Lucky you then that the concept is fucking old

[heady escarp]

yeah

[lone bloom]

Otherwise it wouldn't get them

[heady escarp]

very old, it will be last ship with pdc I guess

with exception of battlecruiser

but battlecruiser is for whaaaaaaaales

[lone bloom]

wdym

All Military larger vessels will still get PDCs either way

even new ones

[heady escarp]

you mean all those above 1K dollar

yeah im not going for them anymore

it just seems boring tbh

[lone bloom]

Depends i mean they could always decide another 100 meters ship

[lone bloom]

But in other words BMM will be the last non military ship that will get PDCs

[heady escarp]

yeah xmas close, give me 10 idris and 15 kraken pls

[heady escarp]

will you consider playing BMM if its released?

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-chrysler-merry-chrismun-merry-crisis-gif-11871149363034811506

[azure fulcrum]

its quite ridiculous to have thought BMM would be better than perseus but we know 100% it will destroy perseus because its a cap so instantly it has ridiculous armor and shields on top with pilot controlled dual S8s and a bunch of turrets

[lone bloom]

A bunch?

It as weaker weaponry than the POlaris

besides the S8s

and Polaris is already dogshit weaponry wise

[azure fulcrum]

it has the dual S5 turrets no?

[lone bloom]

yeah

one

[heady escarp]

BMM is considered a cap? so it has capital shields of half million and HP too like polaris?

[lone bloom]

lol

[azure fulcrum]

I think BMM will get PDCs lol

[lone bloom]

it gets 4

but only because its sold with it

[azure fulcrum]

4 wtf?

yikes

[lone bloom]

It wouldn't have any

if the concept would be sold today

[heady escarp]

they could

change the number

in white box and grey box

like with perseus

[lone bloom]

They can only up the number

not down

[heady escarp]

I mean its so big

[azure fulcrum]

IDK man I suspect solo BMM will destroy perseus easily

[heady escarp]

4 pdc are kinda meh

[lone bloom]

but considering that BMM isn't even supposed to have PDcs i doubt they will up that number xD

[azure fulcrum]

the dual S8s will probably be like the tachyon hit scans

[lone bloom]

and will say "be happy that you have them in the first place"

Ngl

I think they will up the guns

S8 > S9

same for kraken

[heady escarp]

anyone got a good image of kraken? I found only side pics

[lone bloom]

just... use google?

or sc wiki

[heady escarp]

they give me davy johns and hentai pics

[heady escarp]

😂

[lone bloom]

didn't expect anything less

[azure fulcrum]

kraken is trash

[heady escarp]

dont underestimate those who shower once per month

[heady escarp]

this one good

[lone bloom]

I like the kraken- exterior wise

I know i will hate the interior

[azure fulcrum]

I shower once every 1-2 weeks

[lone bloom]

simply because its drake

[azure fulcrum]

just a quick rinse

don't like water

[heady escarp]

umm honestly its not bad looking but Im not sure whats kraken role will be between javelin and idris

[lone bloom]

Jokes on you

it isn't

[heady escarp]

an aircraft carrier?

[lone bloom]

light carrier

Unlikely its supposed to engage in combat directly

[azure fulcrum]

basically its just a bigger liberator

[serene egret]

Did they locck the pdts on the perseus?

[heady escarp]

in the pic there is barely space on top, for 2 or 3 cutlass black

[lone bloom]

no?

I run ballistic PDCs

[serene egret]

cant change e mine t thee torrents

[lone bloom]

Did you use the ballistic turrets from earlier patches?

If yes, those are bugged

have to dupe them new

[serene egret]

ohh shot ok eeah they staayed in y sttorage.. hae to makk some new ones.ha

[lone bloom]

Yeah the one in your storage are literally just the guns

but not the whole turret

had the same issue

[serene egret]

Oh ha, ok. Thanks!

[lone bloom]

Because its only there to house 3 medium ships

[heady escarp]

....
whats the point of kraken?

[lone bloom]

nvm

2

not 3

[heady escarp]

....

[lone bloom]

light carrier

light

[heady escarp]

I find it like, kinda...

[lone bloom]

it can carry more than the Idris

[heady escarp]

useless?

[lone bloom]

well besides that its a flying basar

like BMM

[heady escarp]

I mean isnt carrieres supposed to be good only for like war time?

[lone bloom]

i think its more supposed to be like a flying vendor

since it also has a basar in the inside

[azure fulcrum]

except the ships are exposed to enemy fire unlike idris which has internal hangar lol

[lone bloom]

like the BMM

so people can land there

and go shopping

[heady escarp]

oh

[lone bloom]

while BMM has to land mostly

[heady escarp]

I dont know, in design looking I kinda like BMM

[azure fulcrum]

thats the privateer which is more expensive lol makes no sense when you can just get a BMM

[lone bloom]

oh right, the ships that are standing ONTOP of the pads are exposed to enemy fire in case of a firefight

[lone bloom]

they're not shielded

[lone bloom]

scrapped

old concept

[heady escarp]

[lone bloom]

but hope they make a second version of it some day that looks like that

[heady escarp]

is this the new one?

[lone bloom]

yes

[azure fulcrum]

yeah you're screwed if you get attacked and still got ships on the pads, rearming or just get ambushed and don't have enough time to take off

[heady escarp]

the old one was looking sick

[lone bloom]

Because Banu is more "Alien Luxury"

while the old one looks more like vanduul

[heady escarp]

tbh old one was very sexy

[azure fulcrum]

I'm one of the few who doesn't like the new BMM aesthetic

[lone bloom]

also worth noting

Kraken has two side hangars

interior

[azure fulcrum]

people say the old BMM looks too much like vanduul

but I disagree

[lone bloom]

it does look alot like vanduul ships

Doesn't mean we don't like it that way

[heady escarp]

I mean yeah

it looked sexy as hell

[lone bloom]

I would gladly take a vanduul "Merchantkiller"

[azure fulcrum]

I mean it has pointy but the vanduul pointy blade things are curved the old bmm ones are straight

it looks badass

[lone bloom]

yeah but it also goes against its purpose

Trading / player trading

[lone bloom]

Cargo

The original looks like a warship

[heady escarp]

the original would make idris players wet themselves

[azure fulcrum]

the original one was supposed to be totally different in role, a blockade runner

fast and well armored

[lone bloom]

even a single Perseus makes them wet themselves

xD

[humble anvil]

BMM the Perseus, Perseus wanted to be

[heady escarp]

😂

[lone bloom]

fair enough

[heady escarp]

sick inside

[lone bloom]

I like both

[heady escarp]

wtf that meme lol

[lone bloom]

Also - Yes was planning on getting it ingame farmed - was also the only capital I plan on getting

[heady escarp]

same, I came to this game first ship I wanted so bad was BMM

till someone told me keep dreaming

[lone bloom]

yeah because CIG hates the BMM

or better said

general alien ships

Take alot of time to produce, and offer a very low amount of reuseable assets

so most of them have to be build from stretch

[azure fulcrum]

well I'll admit BMM redisgn isn't as bad as carracks was

they did carrack dirty lol

but BMM will be redesigned a 3rd time by the sounds of it

[lone bloom]

I mean the first ship I wanted badly in SC wasn't the BMM - its the Perseus

[azure fulcrum]

entire team that worked on BMM got poached lol

[lone bloom]

Out of the 4 ships I want in particular for usage or design is one released, the second one will come next year, the third one likely the year after

and BMM maybe somewhere between

(Arrastra, Galaxy, Perseus, BMM)

[azure fulcrum]

I'm just done with the big multicrew ships

got arra ccu chain because big moneymaker

but I'd rather wait till they design a good multicrew ship

[lone bloom]

I mean actual crew count only matters for PvE/PvP combat

aslong its not a combat ship and you don't plan on doing combat with a ship

size and crew amount doesn't matter that much

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

tthats why I still have hope for arra

[lone bloom]

Had a very stupid discussion with someone few days ago about arra

He said that the Arra is just as soloeable as the Mole

[azure fulcrum]

it isn't? xD

[lone bloom]

obv

[heady escarp]

what does arrastra do?

[lone bloom]

Mining and refnining in one

[heady escarp]

oh thanks

[azure fulcrum]

it powercreeps every other mining or refining ship basically

[lone bloom]

Mole = have to exit seat, literally change floors, and get into a mining turret manually

[heady escarp]

speed? or quantity?

[azure fulcrum]

Fomo powercreep

[lone bloom]

Arra = just go to a different seat in the same room

tell me how thats less "soloeable"

[azure fulcrum]

both because it refines while you mine

[heady escarp]

[azure fulcrum]

and is rather big

[lone bloom]

Arrastra is pretty much the sweet spot

You can go ground mining due to vehicle parking area

you can cargo haul

you can refine and don't have to relay on space station refineries

and crack big rocks of any kind

Its literally the all in one package for mining

(excluding basebuild minerables)

(and looks significantly better than the Mole lol)

Everyone just left I see

[heady escarp]

sorry I was watching BMM video

[lone bloom]

I mean the BMM is literally just a fancy Cargo hauler and flying basar xd

[heady escarp]

[lone bloom]

lol @azure fulcrum Olli dude youtuber even says "im supposed to sell this" (after he bought a 300 series with paints and such all modifications) literally saying in stream that he is obviously sponsored by cig

[heady escarp]

amount of cargo in video he says: collossal

😂

[lone bloom]

i mean doesn't it have like 3K SCU?

[heady escarp]

no idea, maybe they scrapped the idea

[lone bloom]

that the BMM used to cost 250 bucks lmao

[lone bloom]

no

still up to date

2.880 SCU

[heady escarp]

market area

each room has a vendor

you can set up stalls

[lone bloom]

yeah thats what I like

because it has like 3 floors

[heady escarp]

that would be amazing tbh

oh

he said 6 floors

[lone bloom]

im just confused how you actually get all the cargo into it

yeah it has 6 floors

but i meant for the vendor area

[heady escarp]

one word: Aliens !

[lone bloom]

"WE" aren't aliens tho

we need doors to get it into there

xD

[heady escarp]

maybe

its like a system

[heady escarp]

that materialize?

[lone bloom]

technically 7 floors

[heady escarp]

the whole engeneering in the back

shoot there

they said

BMM is for family and friends players

[lone bloom]

I mean its a non combat ship

Even if you don't wanna use it as mobile vendor due to safety stuff (way easier to pirate a flying ship in open space than ... literally invulnerable basebuild station) you can just set it up as your store

on your base, on a landing pad

at least if they allow it like that

[heady escarp]

true

setting it up as a base may prove to be easier than building one

[heady escarp]

OH OH

got the photos

of all the evolutions

of BMM

so this one was the first

then this

then this

then this

[lone bloom]

the first one is ugly af

[heady escarp]

xD

ngl 3rd was the best

[lone bloom]

i mean the 3rd is the final one

xd

[lone bloom]

Love it when they go "unknown unknown unknown unknown" yeah great info

[heady escarp]

comparison

with kraken

what does in orbit means?

[lone bloom]

dunno

[heady escarp]

ah

he means allowing multiple customers to visit

while in orbit

[lone bloom]

Then its already wrong

Banu can do so too

[heady escarp]

yeah I dont get it either

[lone bloom]

Not like the Kraken, since only space for one "smaller" ship

but yeah

[heady escarp]

perhaps he means NPCs?

[lone bloom]

also the shops in the privateer......

literally just containers

[heady escarp]

eeeeeh

somehow

Im more inclined

into BMM

I mean big difference in price

and just 2 more shops?

[lone bloom]

kinda funny btw that the Kraken has so much more space, yet has significantly less cargo

[azure fulcrum]

lol at least he's somehwat honest about it

[heady escarp]

lol

yeah BMM has way more cargo

[lone bloom]

3-4x

[lone bloom]

yes and no

[azure fulcrum]

also how is kraken able to land on planets when they said BMM would be the biggest hauler to be able to land on planets lol

[lone bloom]

So far I know Youtube usually has that policy that you have to label the video/stream somewhere as "paid ad"

[heady escarp]

[lone bloom]

Because you're not objectively reviewing

you're paid to review it on behalf of the owner

and obviously only positive

[azure fulcrum]

oh lmao so he had to

[heady escarp]

so they said

BMM and Kraken

are both same type of ship

[lone bloom]

nono, just saying it doesn't count usually

you literally have to have somewhere in the corner "ad" or "paid ad"

[heady escarp]

kraken only has that carrier thingy +

[lone bloom]

or paid advertisement if you wanna have it really safe

[azure fulcrum]

man it just looks like an origin ship with those rounded aesthetics

BMM looks very human

[heady escarp]

they are really bad at doing alien ships

[azure fulcrum]

yeah right

[heady escarp]

except Syulen

[lone bloom]

Syulen one of the best interiors

[heady escarp]

yeah

[lone bloom]

[heady escarp]

loved it

was my first ship

[azure fulcrum]

karthu-al looked so cool at release I had high hope for alien ships

but turned out it was totally useless

[heady escarp]

I hate ships that looks like USA

[lone bloom]

Syulen so far the only (ingame) alien ship I like

nvm the Prowler utility is also nice

[heady escarp]

im gonna install my pepsy cola distributor in the bathroom

[azure fulcrum]

the xi'an ships are the best alien looking ones

[heady escarp]

vandul ships would have been awesome if they bothered having an INTERIOR

[azure fulcrum]

banu just mehhhhhhh

vanduul ships are just rlly infantile design

[lone bloom]

interesting only the privateer offers a market place

[midnight crypt]

Both krakens could go up in cargo space like how they upped the cargo space in the ironclads

[azure fulcrum]

"pointy ship scary"

[heady escarp]

BMM looked to me at first like a vandul destroyer from SQ 42 tbh

[azure fulcrum]

ooo its so edgy

[lone bloom]

Stinger has partially interior

Mauler likely gonna have interior too

[heady escarp]

lets give the players an inside with nothing
best idea they came up with

[lone bloom]

i mean it has a weapon rack

[heady escarp]

they literally couldve done

TONS

of things inside

[lone bloom]

the fun part is just that it doesn't have component access apparantly

[heady escarp]

a bed maybe, a pod, a storage,

anything

for Gods sake

I wouldve flied that thing

if it had anything

inside

its not even bad, but the inside is very lackwarm

[azure fulcrum]

no butt tracker?

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

cheeck clap tracker

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-17431114251079628760

[azure fulcrum]

would've been better without interior lol

[lone bloom]

You know what will come even later than the BMM

Endeavor

[heady escarp]

whats that

[lone bloom]

useless trash ship

Basically a giant modular ship

and most of its modules are outdated

[heady escarp]

the one that looks like galaxy modules?

[azure fulcrum]

https://electronics.sony.com/more/mocopi/all-mocopi/p/qmss1-uscxk

not that expensive and you don't need base stations

[heady escarp]

ah the green house ship

for growing potatoes

[lone bloom]

yes and no

the entire middle section is modular

Either a giant hangar

a giant radar dish

or those bio domes

[heady escarp]

oh

[lone bloom]

all of them useless

[heady escarp]

true

[azure fulcrum]

you cant run hangar with bio domes at the same time

?

[lone bloom]

apparantly you can run two at the same time

one bio dome module are two bio domes

one on each side

[lone bloom]

but looks like the hangar and support module is "one" that needs both slots

[heady escarp]

jesus

[lone bloom]

that thing is just so extremely outdated that I don't see it even after 1.0

[lone bloom]

well BMM is phat babby

[heady escarp]

chunky

chubby

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/motomoto-gif-24380022

[heady escarp]

I always thought

idris was bigger

seems I was wrong

[lone bloom]

kraken is bigger too

lol

[heady escarp]

yeah

[lone bloom]

multiple capitals are larger

[heady escarp]

somehow

I feel they made a mistake with the size of BMM

it shouldnt be in the 650 dollar area

banu

race

[lone bloom]

I mean

[heady escarp]

umm

yeah so

BMM should be cost same as those

[lone bloom]

used to cost 250

xd

[heady escarp]

xD

Ill try to buy an OC BMM LTI

[lone bloom]

also BMM is just "wide" because of the wings

Besides that its just tall and long

[heady escarp]

still a long way from cockpit to engineering room

[lone bloom]

if you exclude the wings, its significantly smaller than a Idris

[heady escarp]

Ill ram it

into an idris

a sword looking ship needs to stab the opponent

[lone bloom]

im still guessing we will at some point still see at least one more combat ship idris /kraken sized

Because Anvil doesn't have one yet

[heady escarp]

ah true

kruger too

L23 mamoth

[lone bloom]

and one of the major UEE military manufactures not having a combat capital is weird

[heady escarp]

L23 megalodon

with giant fin

[lone bloom]

Watch them the fin is actually a sword at the end

like on the vanduul blade

[heady escarp]

damn those vandul thingies I always thought u can ram ships with them

turns out it was glass

[azure fulcrum]

kruger stingray

[lone bloom]

they are supposed to ram them

its just not a feature yet

Those things they have are literally blades supposed to cut ships open

[heady escarp]

biggest xian ship will be next year

the RAILEN

[lone bloom]

(Kinda applies to everything everywhere "not a feature yet" "just two more years"

yeah railen was a ship i was looking forward too

[heady escarp]

till they said no weapons

[lone bloom]

Won't particular need it for the sake of its usage, but rule of cool, someday

it has turrets

[heady escarp]

AI blades with railen would be cool

[lone bloom]

i mean the turrets arent great

2x 2 S4

So its just as good as a F7A

lol

[azure fulcrum]

if you ignore the wings its close to poolaris lol

[heady escarp]

true

[lone bloom]

but significantly taller tho

[heady escarp]

and

PHATTER

[lone bloom]

6 / 7 floors vs 2 floors

[azure fulcrum]

except for height yeah

[lone bloom]

I can't imagine standing next to that thing

gonna look like a fucking skyscraper

[azure fulcrum]

BMM is interesting

considering it was 250$ originally

....

[lone bloom]

i mean even its current price

is quite low

650 ?

[azure fulcrum]

first price bump was to 350$

[lone bloom]

less than perseus

[azure fulcrum]

then it went to 650 probably something like that

[azure fulcrum]

fml why didn't I pick up a perseus to BMM ccu

[lone bloom]

i mean idc about reallife price since I never planned on getting them for real money

[midnight crypt]

Imagine a CCU but it was only BMM to BMM