Perseus Pals

[humble anvil]

"badly"

[steel thistle]

what did they do to them

it must’ve been an accident cuz MDC is kinda awful already LOl

only thing it’ll do now is protect from bombs which is decent

but nobody missiles the ground

they shoot it

[humble anvil]

Just CIG doing CiG things

[steel thistle]

yep

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/guinea-pigs-cute-eating-gif-3462179

[humble anvil]

[minor field]

[lone bloom]

so they increasing shields again

[humble anvil]

Oof

[lone bloom]

Wonder if that includes armor

[humble anvil]

Will see how it goes

@lone bloom Turret blades

[lone bloom]

is that a question or a real thing

[humble anvil]

Cope

[lone bloom]

[lone bloom]

tbf at least it would be some kind of compromise to the shit armor temporarily

But I wonder, not many ships (only perseus?) come stock with blades, does that mean all other ships have to wait for 6 months to get blades

[reef wind]

It's the long awaited toilet gameplay!

Complete with flushing action!

2% chance of pipe eruption and the dreaded shit geyser.

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-afk-bio-diarrhée-diarrhea-toilet-gif-27686161

That they decided to do that clip in a Hammerhead instead of any drake ship lmao

I think there wasn't even a drake ship that had one at that time lmao

[reef wind]

To be fair, Aegis plumbing is questionable

[lone bloom]

I mean still better than a space bucket

[reef wind]

Have you seen their wiring and plumbing in the reclaimer?

The bucket is safer until you invert or zero g

[lone bloom]

Just gets send straight to the shredder and compressed together with the scrap

And then used for drake ships

[reef wind]

Nah, drake at least has some standards

[lone bloom]

[reef wind]

They used it in the perseus armor

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

tbf armor wise every ship has only literal shit as armor besides the Idris

[reef wind]

Damn right. You can't tell me they didn't line the wall panels and armor composite with shit lol

1 to 2 shot with 4.5

It's like what was the point

I'd be better off flying a cutty cause at least then they aim for the engines instead of the critical melt down reactor power plant

Never thought I'd revert so fast to the terrapin or cutty

[lone bloom]

Glad they noticed that SHIELDS are too low, but not armor yet

[humble anvil]

S3 shields +2k each

S4 shields +600k each

Thanks guys for the suggestions!!!

Shields were too low

Experimental feature

: "not everyone will be able to test it"

Btw

Is LAMP fps scanning?

[clear bluff]

no

lamp is light amplification in ship cockpits

[humble anvil]

Derp yeah that's right

This next PTU update going to be a biggin

[lone bloom]

"also we decided to give lasers a bigger cone to increase the feeling of difference between ballistic and laser" Bet that will come

[humble anvil]

It sounds like weapons got a rebalance of sorts

Experimental feature maybe Armor hardness?

But they got modifiers for that so can't be that

[azure fulcrum]

Finally they acknowledge some of the issues amazing and unexpected

[lone bloom]

Just not the big issue

[azure fulcrum]

Yeah this isnt going to fix anything lmao

Delusional

I finally got my refunds from CIG only took 3.5 weeks

[lone bloom]

What refunds lol

[azure fulcrum]

Just a few wb ccus and the patch bundle they can shove it up their greedy arses

[azure fulcrum]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/i-am-out-for-awhile-this-game-is-literally-screwed

Even space dads are ragequitting lmao

[humble anvil]

The train will continue

[tawny fern]

theres a surprising amount of new players every year

just gonna be a new wave of spacedads joining and spending thousands

[lone bloom]

New people to scam

[humble anvil]

Yummy little piggy banks

I should be around when the patch drops so we can figure it out together

[minor field]

I'm also prepared to test

I'm sure we'll be disappointed again tho

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-chris-roberts-birthday-boy-scud-watch-2025-sad-chris-gif-4947301236550738253

[humble anvil]

Original Build Redlit

experimental stuff is a no go

[azure fulcrum]

GG WP cig

I wouldn't have expected anything less

[humble anvil]

oh pdcs i heard do something

unfortunately they got rid of bount hunting in stanton

so i cant get an ai pve mission to try the pdts

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-the-what-the-hell-wtf-gif-8562994133044611418

[humble anvil]

i log to pu

and only merc mission which is just bunker chaining

[lone bloom]

wdym they get rid of BH in stanton

[humble anvil]

i didnt see bount hunting mission in stanton

so i did the intro bunker mission, and it just gave me another bunker mission

Not even a 'foxwell' mission lol

[humble anvil]

standing in my hangar be like

can you log to ptu @lone bloom

[lone bloom]

why

[humble anvil]

i want to see the pdts

and what they do

heard they are bad accuracy

[lone bloom]

how am i supposed to test it without ship combat missions

[humble anvil]

shoot

the

perseus

turn red

fly around it

i shot enemy player but the pdts did nothing..

i was in a titan

[lone bloom]

So- even a Titan can easily outcircle the PDCs

[humble anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372705598616899635/1448084147481612420/unknown_2025.12.09-17.46.mp4?ex=6939f8f4&is=6938a774&hm=9a4d6928c916491b9911b0a0211227bbca53dd42b3eb807464e5ebb6a1228353&

[tawny fern]

[humble anvil]

point is they're there, and for pve should be fine

but may tighten up aim some more with this ptu patch

shall see how it goes

considering apparently all weapons may get another huge balance pass

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1pimnk3/state_of_pdts_in_yesterdays_ptu_patch/

[lone bloom]

assoon you're able to circle around the ship pdcs don't hit you once

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-stuff-we-need-stuff-eating-gif-13625470

[humble anvil]

oh my god

I LOVE GAY DUDES. They leave more woman for the rest of us AND take another guy with them

[clear bluff]

that’s a uhh interesting way to look at it

[humble anvil]

PTU took so long that I have to go to sleep lol

[azure fulcrum]

https://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wbmcwinners.shtml

I'm so bored that I'm just looking for a new beard style

wtf

thats a enough internet for today

time to sleep

[azure fulcrum]

glad they fixed it perseus too strong

[humble anvil]

Meanwhile the ion

5k

Good job CIG

[azure fulcrum]

good to know CIG listens to feedback

and still knows how to balance stats

[humble anvil]

Wonder what else they changed

Spviewer is going to be amazing

[azure fulcrum]

[humble anvil]

It's funny because Perseus ain't the problem

The turrets aren't the problem

[azure fulcrum]

people were complaining about perseus too strong

so they nerfed it and called it a day, game fixed now going to live

[humble anvil]

But I guess this is what happens when u show a video of a Perseus 1 shotting a Perseus

Guess we'll just fly an ion now

[azure fulcrum]

lmfao

[azure fulcrum]

so CIG looked at your video and thought lets nerf the medusas

that'll fix'r

[humble anvil]

Sigh

So they're going to reduce everything else or nah

[azure fulcrum]

nah

[tawny fern]

that was all i saw on spectrum and reddit

finally the tyranny of perseus dominating in pvp and pve is over

[lone bloom]

[tawny fern]

i heard it was total perseus domination in the competitive 1v1 pvp tournaments

[azure fulcrum]

literally backers doing CIGs job for them

[lone bloom]

Sounds like made up

[azure fulcrum]

thorsten even said: "we need your feedback to make the game"

[humble anvil]

Can't wait to see shields

[azure fulcrum]

finally 3 weeks of percius tyranny are over.. Idris is back on top of the foodchain

[humble anvil]

Perseus was never on top lol

Lol

[lone bloom]

"Since we buffed shield HP we decided to lower armor more"

[azure fulcrum]

meanwhile the people that live on spectrum whenever someone gives feedback: "Shut up you don't know game development"

actual CIG devs: Please tell us how to do our job thx

[lone bloom]

[tawny fern]

rustle what did you tell that senior game dev

[azure fulcrum]

its such a clownshow this unreal its the most random shit they do

[lone bloom]

Got the feeling those people never played a live Service game alpha other than sc

I played many of those, and none of them were as rough as sc

[azure fulcrum]

yeah its all rustles fault

[tawny fern]

rustle: ok heres how to fix perseus, this this this and this
cig dev: nerf perseus? ok!

[azure fulcrum]

also I told everyone they were going to nerf medusa's lol just didn't expect it to be so soon

[lone bloom]

I mean all guns got brought down

But

S7 being very similar damage Sounds weird

Especially since its on a significantly smaller ship

[azure fulcrum]

ion does more dmg lol

[humble anvil]

We look at

Look at this

Every size, has a 50% damage scaling over previous tier

It is now more inefficient to run a Perseus over another ship

[azure fulcrum]

ion: 5 150, medusa: 5400. but Ion actually has a wide cone of damage 16.5 medusa only has 2m

[lone bloom]

Ah yes, a fighter outdamaging larger weapons on the heaviest weoponized ship so far in sc (besides idris spinal mount) makes sense

[azure fulcrum]

it makes sense for CIG lol

[lone bloom]

So when s7 nerf

Dont they have something like a huge Raster with s1-s12 weapons their Ranges,damage and types?

Shouldnt it just jump straight in your face if a smaller weapon has similar or even more damage than its bigger brother?

[azure fulcrum]

no they just randomly put in numbers, same goes for armor HP stats. the numbers are "bespoke"

[lone bloom]

But they still surely have some Kind of list

[azure fulcrum]

I mean the CIG devs are literally in the SPviewer discord rn talking there

[lone bloom]

But otherwise that would make it even more hopeless if they would have one and still miss stuff like that

[azure fulcrum]

SPviewer is their list rofl

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-simpsons-grandpa-simpson-abe-simpson-bart-simpson-gif-2070751354642371102

[lone bloom]

So the s7 balance pass

Wasnt even for the ares

But for idris turret

So idris turret is weaker - bespite being on a fuxking capital ship - than the Single gun on a fighter Plattform???

So the s7 gun of the idris does 4k while the s7 of a ares does 5.1k?

[azure fulcrum]

idris has so much armor that it has no room for s7 turret ammo anymore?

[steel thistle]

so they done gutted our size 8s instead of buffing the armour value

of the ship

[lone bloom]

And idris turret yes

[tawny fern]

🤦‍♂️

[lone bloom]

But ares apparantly still untouched

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-sarcasticclap-sarcastic-joker-gif-6173952

we have a bright future ahead guys

[steel thistle]

another incredible CIG balance check

[azure fulcrum]

what are they going to nerf next?

[lone bloom]

Cant go to holidays without releasing a hell patch

[steel thistle]

LOL this is true

it’s tradition

[minor field]

Maris untouched lesgo

[lone bloom]

I wonder

Like they know they have to set the values for All bespoke guns manually

Why is it only Happening for 1-2 weapons per patch

And not for All of them across the Board???

[azure fulcrum]

lmfao

[lone bloom]

Its not like its alot of effort

There arent many bespoke ones in the first place

Like polaris, Meteor, idris, perseus, ares, and some alien weapons from vanduul ships thats it no?

[azure fulcrum]

one terminal spectrum gremlin commented that GTA 6 had 2 billion dollars of budget and CIG only 1 billion so its not comparable. You can't expect more from CIG they don't have enough money

small indie studio

they probably got 1 guy doing the stat changes

[lone bloom]

Budget doesnt mean they used it. And in those 2 Billion is like at least 1/3 marketing

Lmao

[humble anvil]

AND IT HAS SHIT CONE

ARES INFERNO LITERALLY BETTER

[steel thistle]

do the devs jus sit in the office pass a spliff and say “yeah they gonna love this one”

[humble anvil]

I'm doom posting, Perseus still has PDTs, and tons of solo capabilities but would be better off switching up and running Connie waiting for gold standard

[lone bloom]

Yk the funny thing is, perseus released very well, one of the few ships that had kinda good balance besides its HP value but it was able to hold its ground with a fair amount of crew, right now with the ptu nearing live, they shit on it everywhere they can for some reason and make it a hammerhead V2

Even while that applies to All ships except for idris and fighters

[humble anvil]

Just buy an Idris little piggy

Oink oink

[lone bloom]

Why use a perseus (or any larger multicrew ship) if the ares ion can do the same thing more efficiently, faster, for less money, fully alone?

[humble anvil]

Correct

Hit from range and hit

[lone bloom]

It onehites even most fighters

[humble anvil]

Yes

Yes it does

[lone bloom]

Through shield

[humble anvil]

Yes

[azure fulcrum]

massive range

[humble anvil]

Because the cone

[lone bloom]

Appears to me that the cone ignores armor and shield

[humble anvil]

I'm interested to see the stats but wouldn't be surprised if it gets nerf bar hard

[steel thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253864297507848280/1390908904896069692/caption.gif

[lone bloom]

Like, the bullet Hits the shield and should only damage it (since even if shield Hits 0 hp it nullifies laser damage above that if applied with the same hit)

So the cone has to Bypass that somehow

[humble anvil]

Funny enough

Ion has been center of shield hole penning for awhile lol

[lone bloom]

Wouldnt surprise if said cone also Bypasses armor the same way

[tawny fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1446757099169386566/ares-ion.gif

cig's vision for the ares ion

[lone bloom]

Well

At least one cinematic Marketing Video isnt wrong then

[steel thistle]

they should’ve added the perseus exploding to a vanduul fighter in the marketing video

[humble anvil]

They'll probably swing everything from all the backlash they're getting

[azure fulcrum]

CIG said it many times including CR that they want the game to be played solo

they encourage solo play for everything

[steel thistle]

then why add engineering

[tawny fern]

to encourage people to play solo

[lone bloom]

Engineering = why bother with ships that need it

[azure fulcrum]

just to bully us I guess and boast about their cutting edge tech that has never done before in gaming history

[steel thistle]

true true i guess its to force us out of an idris and into 20 light fighters

[azure fulcrum]

lol ain't that the truth

[lone bloom]

20 light fighters were better in the first place already

[steel thistle]

maybe the servers will cope better

[steel thistle]

and they made them even better

[lone bloom]

Fighter mafia keeps just winning

[steel thistle]

now there’s no choice

[steel thistle]

they can even repair their quantum drive now too

smh

[azure fulcrum]

yeah its cheaper to discourage people from playing alltogether it lowers the amazon server bill

[steel thistle]

from in the cockpit!!

40 second timer 😭😭

[lone bloom]

All ships can do that tho

[steel thistle]

thought they said just the single seat craft

[lone bloom]

No percy can do it too

[steel thistle]

interior ships do it manually or smth

[lone bloom]

But only if its critically damaged aka offline

[steel thistle]

doesn’t matter it explodes before it goes offline

pointless

[lone bloom]

No no

It explodes the same second it goes offline

[steel thistle]

😭

[lone bloom]

Which they appeared to still not have fixxed

[humble anvil]

Hey

[tawny fern]

hi

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13062150862685254762

[steel thistle]

it’s okay because now

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-wave-hi-hiiiiii-gif-26053754

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-serious-gif-6384280811502261863

[steel thistle]

it takes about 2x longer to kill the target and you have like half the ammo to do it with

and you explode in a couple hits

it’s very good

[azure fulcrum]

if only they made perseus a tank instead of a glass cannon

[steel thistle]

it’s just glass

[azure fulcrum]

like a tanky slow short range brawler

[lone bloom]

You mean tanky cannon*

[azure fulcrum]

I would've been cool with that

[steel thistle]

anything stronger than glass

[lone bloom]

Corsair / deemer treatment🥀

[steel thistle]

god forbid the killing ship is decent at killing ship

it wasn’t even op

just decent

and fighters get another buff 🔥🔥

[sage python]

bruh

[azure fulcrum]

its funny how all the combat ships get nerfed to the ground but all the non-combat ships like the hauler and med ships get insane durability and range

[lone bloom]

Most people even asked for a buff

And they still decide to nerf

[steel thistle]

yep

[sage python]

any1 wanna buy my perseus

[steel thistle]

oh well

[sage python]

$500

[steel thistle]

i’ll be in my gladius

[azure fulcrum]

more guns = glass cannon

CIG logic

[sage python]

i'm so deadass i bought that shit with high schooler money i'm in college now

[lone bloom]

Except for idris and polaris apparantly?

[steel thistle]

i’d lower it to 200 you might actually get someone interested in this garbage

[sage python]

💀

genuinely tragic

[azure fulcrum]

yeah because they are capital, you can't compare capital with subcaps so I got told on spectrum

🤡

[steel thistle]

ooh you’re right

if the spectrum user says so

[azure fulcrum]

I can do two fiddy

[lone bloom]

So you shouldnt be able to compare s5 ships with s4 ships yet somehow they have similar stats, spectrum just braindead

[steel thistle]

they’ll continue to compare polaris and 890j tho

[azure fulcrum]

the spectrum brainrot is real because they don't even play the game themselves all they do is browse spectrum all day to ragebait

[lone bloom]

"Yeah 890 should have more armor than perseus because its capital"

[azure fulcrum]

clipper is a more useful ship than perseus at this point let that sink in

[steel thistle]

Luxury yacht vs tactical torpedo centre

[sage python]

did they ever sell the BLD during iae?

its gone now so ig that doesnt matter

[azure fulcrum]

no

[lone bloom]

No

[sage python]

💔

[lone bloom]

Maybe ilw

[sage python]

i want it BLD

[steel thistle]

not yet same with galaxy building module

[sage python]

GUys its because htey are gearing to release the BLD and all that in early 2026 update clearly

[steel thistle]

or the CSV chassis builder if that becomes a thing

[steel thistle]

this true tho

it’s crafting centre is more useful and that doesn’t even work yet

it just exists which is more than a perseus vs inferno

which no longer exists

[lone bloom]

Tbf maybe the csv bld and sl bld do fall under their new thing of not selling concepts anymore

[sage python]

WHATT

i didn't see THAT

damn son

[azure fulcrum]

every STF stays on the plebstore for at least 30 days

[sage python]

i was in the thick of my semester when IAE was going on I can't lie

[lone bloom]

And since they dont wanna release ships with their main feature, sl bld will probably be sold together with basebuild release lmao

[steel thistle]

this is NOTTTT worth 800 dollars 😭

[sage python]

Right 😭

[scarlet falcon]

I got it for like 3

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-3dollars-broke-no-money-patrick-star-gif-9176068

[steel thistle]

have your ammo and damage nerfed while getting killed in a couple hits but atleast you look cool while blowing up for 800 dollars

[scarlet falcon]

So is the perry messed up in 4.5

[azure fulcrum]

I can get 295 store credit to get a better ship

dont care about poolaris or 890j lol

[sage python]

I might as well melt and get a paladin and upgrade my starmax to a C2 or some bs oh wait the C2 isnt even on pledge store rn

[scarlet falcon]

I won’t get rid of mine It’s fun

[lone bloom]

The heresy talk in here

[humble anvil]

Throwing away 6 PDTs, a nice Cargo room, and future blade ability for a ship in the now

[sage python]

Not gonna lie I have also been looking for a reason to liquidate my account a bit

[agile tinsel]

I won't melt mine for the fact it has a nice interior lol

[scarlet falcon]

yeah I love it

[lone bloom]

Still can carry 200 scu

[tawny fern]

@azure fulcrum at least L-21/L-22 are still cracked

[sage python]

if I send a VERY nice email maybe they'll let me refund all but my hornet or starmax...

[steel thistle]

in 4.4 yes in 4.5 uh

idk

[scarlet falcon]

And then there will be 4.6

[humble anvil]

It fucking sucks now, but those small turrets will be bladed some day, the PDTs will exist too, and eventually the main guns will be manned too but kinda wouldn't even look at the main guns lol

[azure fulcrum]

yeah enjoy it while it lasts until the next fighter gets released

[humble anvil]

I would keep the Perseus

And up it to the next powercreep ship

[azure fulcrum]

I heard a CIG dev saying they're gonna fix Allegro paint in 4.5 patch

[humble anvil]

Maybe the battle cruiser gets a fkn concept for $850

[lone bloom]

And at some point you end up wirh the idris

[humble anvil]

And ya CCU to it

[sage python]

yeah im keeping the perseus because god knows what the next ship in the $800-900 range will be

[azure fulcrum]

well he said "next patch" I assume thats 4.5

[steel thistle]

it’ll either be 999 or 1k

[sage python]

(something I will never get to use)

[azure fulcrum]

thats some insane copium lol

[humble anvil]

Easily 1k but been wrong before

[azure fulcrum]

a better perseus competitor might come along lets wait for anvil heavy gunboat

[humble anvil]

Yep

STF

[azure fulcrum]

the only reason to keep perseus tbh

to CCU it to a perseus competitor

[humble anvil]

Drake will make one

And it'll actually be good

[azure fulcrum]

I mean Javalin is a destroyer class and a battlecruiser is bigger than a destroyer so its more expensive than javalin

[humble anvil]

Idk

[azure fulcrum]

I think we're looking at 6000$

[humble anvil]

Maybe

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-warhammer-40k-space-king-space-marine-gif-13378544870284137089

[humble anvil]

We waited 4 years some of us, not i

And it's like

Throwing in the towel

[sage python]

I waited 4 years yeah

[azure fulcrum]

the moment something better comes along I'm ccuing to it

[lone bloom]

Wasnt it 5 years

[humble anvil]

Didn't get swappable ammo, turrets weren't bladed, ship is not heavily armored

[sage python]

i was too loose with my funds in high scool man

[azure fulcrum]

falling for the predatory marketing again

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-mr-krabs-eugene-h-krabs-money-cash-gif-17339435982654318396

[sage python]

why is there jack squat on the pledge store rn

genuinely no options over 175

connies, mole, stinger, paladin, percy that is literally it lmao

maybe there could be something with base building that you can pledge, like a base kit or something so you can have a starter setup without needing resources

i would bite on that tbh I absolutely will dive into base buildinh

[tawny fern]

theres 100% gonna be a base building starter ship

when that feature nears readiness

[sage python]

nono i mean a pack of structures

[tawny fern]

oh idk about that

[sage python]

a set of prefab structures that you just place at no material cost

gimme a small shipyard pack for $450, I'll use my percy money to buy that and a mole

[lone bloom]

Cig gonna turn into Sims 4, base shit Pack, and everything cool you need to pay 5 bucks for each

[sage python]

😭 🙏

i would play sims citizenb

[lone bloom]

Oh you want a glass wall frame? 20 bucks

[steel thistle]

is armour even armour

[sage python]

not yet

[lone bloom]

No

[steel thistle]

it just feels like it’s HP but with a fancy new name

😭

[sage python]

so percy could theoretically be very good once real armor exists

[steel thistle]

they just reskinned HP

[lone bloom]

Becauss it is

[sage python]

but when that gonna be

war thunder damage models in star citizen when

[scarlet falcon]

I hope so

[steel thistle]

maybe in a couple years if they stop nerfing its weapons and actually make armour

[lone bloom]

Tbf you can tell that smaller weapons dont damage comps as much or not at all aslong armor has HP

But the HP of said armor are stupidly low that it only Protects for like 5 seconds

[minor field]

Can confirm maris dmg not nerfed

[lone bloom]

Yet

Should make a spectrum Post about it

[steel thistle]

they haven’t nerfed the ares in so long i bet it’ll be fine

[minor field]

It prob won't get nerfed it's pretty in line already at 3400

Smol damage

[lone bloom]

S5

[minor field]

6

[steel thistle]

why would polaris get nerfed

it’s already just meh

[lone bloom]

Pretty sure Meteor is s5

[steel thistle]

everything about it including the S6

[steel thistle]

yes

[lone bloom]

3400 isnt in line

Lol

S7 does 4000

[minor field]

wait what

[lone bloom]

Yep

[minor field]

Why's the penetration so fucked on maris

compared to last patch

<penetrationParams basePenetrationDistance="9.9" nearRadius="0.5" farRadius="0.99" __type="AmmoPenetrationParams" />

compared to

What have they done

I wonder if pers pen also changed

[lone bloom]

Feels like they rush some numbers rn to somehow make it somehow okayish for the holidays

[minor field]

I'll check medusa pen

[lone bloom]

To clean it up after

[steel thistle]

probably this

[lone bloom]

Just like very year

And then spend like the first 3 months to clean the mess up

[steel thistle]

also this

[azure fulcrum]

CIG dev promised to fix L22 paints for 4.5. Instead they break all the paints

[humble anvil]

Year of playability

[azure fulcrum]

p(L)aybility

[minor field]

I can't find perseus pen

[humble anvil]

Must be a lot of data spviewer taking awhile

Medusa

[minor field]

the turret is missing an entity class name so idk how to find the damage lmfao

[humble anvil]

Ballistics; can't pen for shit

Lasers:

Welp rip I gotta sleep

Was hoping to see stats

[steel thistle]

what is the ares damage stat?

[minor field]

wait I found the pers pen

<penetrationParams basePenetrationDistance="29.7" nearRadius="1.49" farRadius="2.97" __type="AmmoPenetrationParams" />

Ok so maris is just ass

cool

Medusa got a distance nerf but radius buff

[humble anvil]

@minor field

Finds Ares ion

[minor field]

alr

[azure fulcrum]

wtf??????????

they buffed the far radius by .97? is this a joke

so its still S3 ballistic cannon blast cone?

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-pomni-insane-going-insane-gif-9238048958204929783

[humble anvil]

They probably got dropped

Assume ballistic have zero cone

[azure fulcrum]

R u fukin kidding meeeeeeee

[humble anvil]

Maris is 1 cone, Perseus is 1.5

Assume that S5 and below are fucking nothing

[minor field]

<penetrationParams basePenetrationDistance="10.5" nearRadius="0.53" farRadius="1.05" __type="AmmoPenetrationParams" />

better than maris

are we fr

[humble anvil]

Jesus Christ

[steel thistle]

wait a minute

[minor field]

What is going on over at cig lmfao

[azure fulcrum]

thats ion now?????????????

[minor field]

Yeah

[azure fulcrum]

ion went from 16.5 far radius to 1.05?

.>

[azure fulcrum]

welp there goes your ion

[steel thistle]

they nerfed all the S7/8 but left ares ion alpha damage at 5150

[minor field]

It's unironcally better than maris

[humble anvil]

I just thank the gods everything is getting swung

But I stg if small weapons have any significant cone

[azure fulcrum]

I doubt it but good they nerfed ares at least

[steel thistle]

so ares ion is better than the ballistic cannon

how does laser doing more damage than ballistic make sense idek

[humble anvil]

Remember

Laser does more damage to Armor

Armor that doesn't really exist

[steel thistle]

and it’s infinite

[humble anvil]

And armor takes less from Ballistic

[minor field]

So polaris main gun is just useless now ig

[humble anvil]

Going to go towards how much shield we have now

[azure fulcrum]

how cum?

[humble anvil]

Because think about it, a quadrant of about 25k is nothing

[minor field]

Really bad pen

Like 1/3 of Medusa

All pen stats worse than ion

damage too

[azure fulcrum]

40 meters is not enough pen?

.>

[minor field]

Maris only has 9.9 pen now

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-cute-happy-gif-2833690820473812688

HAHAHHA

[humble anvil]

We don't look at pen now

[steel thistle]

this makes no sense i thought the whole point of ballistic was to hit armour and be weaker to shields

[humble anvil]

We go back to hull damage capabilities

We need two players to do 10k total alpha

1+1

[steel thistle]

5150 alpha from an ion

but idris ballistic cannon does 4000

[azure fulcrum]

what is the cone tho?

[steel thistle]

sorry

4000

[humble anvil]

Ballistic have no cone

[azure fulcrum]

what

[humble anvil]

Ballistic no cone

Lasers u just saw

No cone

[azure fulcrum]

I just saw 2.97 for percius

medusa

far radius con

[humble anvil]

They reduce cone dramatically

[azure fulcrum]

yeah but

[humble anvil]

On everything

<penetrationParams basePenetrationDistance="9.9" nearRadius="0.5" farRadius="0.99" __type="AmmoPenetrationParams" />

[azure fulcrum]

god damn it SPviewer need to hurry up its 4:30 am

[steel thistle]

does that stop me from getting 3 hit now

[humble anvil]

No

[steel thistle]

so what the hell did it do

stop all my components going down at once?

[humble anvil]

10pen is good enough to fuck over Perseus

[minor field]

10 pen is good for most things tbh but the radius is so ass

[humble anvil]

But doesn't matter if you eat it's armor with laser cannons

Then anything pens

[steel thistle]

so what did this change do

[azure fulcrum]

he sleeping no SPviewer update tonite

[humble anvil]

Make it harder to hit components

[azure fulcrum]

where are u guys getting the stats from?

[steel thistle]

right so i won’t lose every component at once now

that’s better i guess

they still need to buff armour by about 10x for everything

and swap terrapin and redeemer values

why does terrapin have 12k and deemer has 10

swap em and 10x everything that’s 50k and under fr

[azure fulcrum]

to encarriage solo play

[minor field]

surestop shield hp is now 66000 each

from 40.5k

[azure fulcrum]

I thot it was 52k

oh in 4.4 its 52k

[azure fulcrum]

wtf are they doing man

[minor field]

idk

armor is the same

[azure fulcrum]

[minor field]

Polaris armor not changed either so maybe no armor hp changes at all

[azure fulcrum]

we waited 1 week and no armor change lol

[azure fulcrum]

did anything change for asgard or alpha wolf?

[minor field]

dmg the same

[minor field]

 <damage>
        <DamageInfo DamagePhysical="0" DamageEnergy="85" DamageDistortion="0" DamageThermal="0" DamageBiochemical="0" DamageStun="0" __type="DamageBase" __polymorphicType="DamageInfo" />
      </damage>
      <damageDropParams>
      </damageDropParams>
      <impulseFalloffParams>
      </impulseFalloffParams>
      <pierceabilityParams damageFalloffLevel1="0" damageFalloffLevel2="0" damageFalloffLevel3="0" maxPenetrationThickness="0.5" __type="BulletPierceabilityParams" />
 <penetrationParams basePenetrationDistance="1" nearRadius="0.05" farRadius="0.1" __type="AmmoPenetrationParams" />```

for wolf *

idk if the pen is the same tho didn't look

Waiting for spviewer for the rest

[azure fulcrum]

hmm

well nerfing cones was a no brainer at least

I guess perseus 2.97 cone doesn't sound that bad rn

and what was it 30 penetration?

[minor field]

ye 30 distance

[desert gorge]

It will get a nerf to

[severe lynx]

interesting shield changes

good thing i didnt throw away those fullblocks from the QV warehouse

[desert gorge]

Huh

So parapet suck now

God am i happy that i git an A2 with 3 fr-86 kekw

[desert gorge]

Can u send me S1-2 in a PM dunno where u guys find these

[severe lynx]

https://www.spviewer.eu/items?item=Shield

[desert gorge]

Doesnt properly work on phone gonna look on pc later

[severe lynx]

the standardized hp funny enough makes it so that the 890 has a higher shield pool than the polaris now

[desert gorge]

What

Can u please send me cap shields and s1-2 in a om id appreciate it

[tawny fern]

hmmmmmmmm

[minor field]

wtf

[tawny fern]

alright xenn back to team perseus

[minor field]

surely the -67 was supposed to be +67

[tawny fern]

so the reduced the damage by 36% but increased rate of fire by 25%

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

penetration values changed too

[minor field]

Ye maris got fucked

Medusa still good

[tawny fern]

its def not as bad as i though

t

50 rpm is kinda cracked

[minor field]

[tawny fern]

thats like machine gun firing with staggered

i mean

autocannon ish

wow so they reduced small gun penetration massively

[minor field]

I know it's not likely to stay this way but I'm prob melting polaris either way lol

[tawny fern]

lol

[minor field]

I tried it with 2 engineers and it's just not enough

I don't have 3 ppl who want to be engineer slaves

[tawny fern]

yeaaa

but still

i wouldnt make any final decisions for a while

like realistically no meme

cig is changing stuff tremendously every single patch, nobody knows whats gonna be meta by the time invictus rolls around

[minor field]

Yeahh but now that they confirmed that polaris pilot is just never getting torps..

[tawny fern]

yeah i guess ai blades wont fix that huh

[minor field]

Yupp that's my concern lol

[desert gorge]

What about P?

[humble anvil]

Same

Crazy that they lowered Polaris

[severe lynx]

railgun got hit too fortunately

[desert gorge]

Wtf is this shit..... polaris has 1/10th

[humble anvil]

243k

whistles

I think they missed a 0

Tbh

Meant to be 2.43m

[desert gorge]

I think so to would be weird

[desert gorge]

Ye its a corvette not meant to brawl but thats gonna be bullied by fighters lol

[humble anvil]

They finally make military components top end

[minor field]

How dare they shit on Maris so much smh

[severe lynx]

86s still dont drop from any loot pool it seems

so the only sources are the wikelo taurus and wikelo A2

[severe lynx]

QV drops fullblocks though so thats good enough i guess

[humble anvil]

Nvm

Civil A is just

[severe lynx]

might be my go-to

[desert gorge]

Just get Far-86? No

[humble anvil]

Problem is acquisition

[severe lynx]

unless they change this, im not gonna get one

[minor field]

oh they fucked polaris shield so much because it's industrial ig

[humble anvil]

Fr-86 still not worth pursuing

[severe lynx]

they havent returned the wikelo random military component contract still

[desert gorge]

I mean i have an A2 with 3 of them

Lul

As long as its not wiped i will have em or farm me another A2

[humble anvil]

Yeah that's nice

[desert gorge]

I still cant look via phone for stuff i wanna k ow S1-2 anyone help me out wont be home till 8h from now 🥺

[humble anvil]

@desert gorge for?

Shields?

[desert gorge]

Yes

[humble anvil]

I'm driving to work now

[desert gorge]

Ufff

[desert gorge]

Ok so Mil gead A is king is all situations except stealeth ofc

Apparently u can dlap a reclaimer with an idris shield 😂

[tawny fern]

@humble anvil did u already test the medusa changes

because increased 25% increased rate of fire might outweigh the -36% damage

due to penetrating shots being worth more

penetration distance was nerfed big time too, but the cone is a little bit larger

[severe lynx]

current idris MD has less pen distance than the old medusa

[tawny fern]

The new 30m penetration distance is still pretty long

Larger cone for a shorter pen distance is a buff against smaller ships and a nerf against big ones

Assuming theres no benefit for overpen

But then again, how wide is the polaris anyways?

35m tall, so if you’re shooting straight down on it, it’ll still almost penetrate completely through

[azure fulcrum]

Its only .97 larger than before, the penetration distance is nice but you only need 10-15m for most ships. I had hoped the cone was larger

[tawny fern]

Yeah, 50% buff for a cone that was already super tiny lol

[azure fulcrum]

??? Its not 50%

[azure fulcrum]

32%

[tawny fern]

Where did u get 32 from

What am i looking at

[azure fulcrum]

Lol i guess cig cant do fractions

Its a 32% increase but cig says 49

Dps went down 37.2% but cig says 36

Rounds per minute went up 20% but cig said 25%

[azure fulcrum]

Idk could also be spviewers fault for not doing the fractions right. But its def. Not 50%

[tawny fern]

Uhh

[severe lynx]

those percentage differences look correct to me

[azure fulcrum]

Ok man

[tawny fern]

2 to 3 is definitely a 50% increase

And 40 to 50 is definitely a 25% increase

A 20% increase would be 48

[azure fulcrum]

O i might be wrong on that one

Ugh embarassing i did an oopsie

[tawny fern]

Well, regardless of the percentages, it’s a dps loss for an increase in penetration width

[severe lynx]

should make it better against larger targets unless you only count hard deaths as "kills"

[tawny fern]

What i dont understand though, probably because i havent been on the ptu, is how important are damage numbers really if penetration is what causes loss of control of the ship

Armor health doesnt matter if the rounds are penetrating anyways no?

If the goal is to kill components instead of hard deathing a ship, penetration should be more valuable than damage numbers

Assuming there’s enough damage to destroy the components that is

[humble anvil]

More shield and Armor changes

May all big multicrew ships receive Armor

[lone bloom]

it does, lower grade weapons have to melt the armor first if they can't pen, but if the armor value is low (like it is right now) it just takes a few seconds to melt the armor

for example, tested if S4 and S5 (laser cannons) can damage components of the Perseus if i only shoot once at said components - they can't damage them

until the armor value is low

[tawny fern]

O i see

[desert gorge]

lets just pray we get a better armor Q_Q

or more at elast xD

[lone bloom]

"Heaviest armored ship for its class"

🤡

I guess its true, since all other ships are even... more glass

[round zodiac]

the other ship in its class is hte Hammerhead, which is also heavy armoured in its class...

[midnight crypt]

golem ox got that 6 PDCs upgrade

[humble anvil]

[round zodiac]

not powered, but clever

[lone bloom]

500 bucks pledge right there

[lone bloom]

HH always been medium armored - but yet has the "same" armor almost as the Perseus

meanwhile a 890 has better armor

[round zodiac]

a drake thign that isjust 4 PDCs on its back would be very drake

minotaur from X4

[lone bloom]

Dunno if drake will ever get pdcs in the first place

[tawny fern]

Im telling u

The first ship that gets released that has a room with some bangin tunes

Im putting cold hard cash down

Dance floor, club, kitchen with a stereo, it could be whatever. First ship that releases that u can just sit back and listen to music and vibe

Im in

[lone bloom]

600I rework

never gonna happen tho

[tawny fern]

Yeah, maybe when im 80

[round zodiac]

for a company with a chassis system like Origin does, they never make variants for them...

i would love 635c, 425a

[lone bloom]

where 500 series and 700 btw

@humble anvil you saw that FR 86 are good again? at least in current PTU patch

66K HP, while Parapet has 45K HP

and most component health

[severe lynx]

anyone without a wikelo A2 or taurus is screwed out of the FR-86

currently at least

one fullblock and 7CA might work fine as an alternative

[lone bloom]

ah right, mil a shield isn't part of loot areas ?

[humble anvil]

CIV A has the same amount

[lone bloom]

but less component HP

but both have a very good regen rate

Parapet meta is dead if that goes live with those stats

either 7CA or FR

[humble anvil]

civ A aint that much worse

regen very fast

also less power pips to max it

little less squishy but very accessible

[lone bloom]

Thats why I said 7CA or FR .-.

[humble anvil]

i'd argue its better lol

espec with fuses not being so mainstrea, might be able to get away with no fuses and being fine lol

running full ballistic

[lone bloom]

guess you can roll easily with 7CA (if its ingame purchaseable?) and maybe longterm FR

[humble anvil]

its cousin crows

[lone bloom]

Orison W again

[humble anvil]

this is funny but you can drop an entire cooler

lol

just turn it off

will have to see how crippling fuses are

[lone bloom]

i mean you can just take them out while being in hangar and see how it goes

if anything goes down or not

[humble anvil]

im going to

but idk if the fuses being pull feature is in

[lone bloom]

been a feature since they were in ships

[desert gorge]

Will depend if tbey decixe to wipe for once

Which i hope

[humble anvil]

i mean the

the feature where fuses doesn't turn off ship, but rather cripples it

[lone bloom]

kinda have to, aslong they fixxed somehow the duping issue

[desert gorge]

O hope soooooo bad... or atleast just wioe money

[humble anvil]

so apparently in today ptu

the PDTs are deadly accurate

[desert gorge]

Which is good

[lone bloom]

so

like 4.4

[tawny fern]

Lol

[lone bloom]

The issue about the pdts are theyre either too accurate and deadly as fuck

or fully useless

nothing in between

[tawny fern]

Do the ballistics still have 15000 ammo?

[desert gorge]

I feel like they should be accurate AF?

[lone bloom]

They didn't mention the nerf yet

so probably yes

[tawny fern]

For something that’s supposed to kill missiles, you would think so right

[desert gorge]

Well missiles and fighter
And occasionally perseus 😂

Hope they fix this shit

[lone bloom]

Perseus counts as fighter now lmao

[tawny fern]

Oh i forgot about that rofl

[lone bloom]

tbf doesn't matter in PTU

S1 doesn't do damage to S3 shields

[tawny fern]

Rip

[desert gorge]

Ballistic gors through and dmgs armour no?

[lone bloom]

yeah i found that out accidentally

tried to do aurora vs perseus for the armor stuff

and shield just said "yeah nah not today"

[lone bloom]

Not S1

[desert gorge]

Oh i didnt know that

[lone bloom]

For perseus you need at least S2

and even then takes ages to kill a component if you hit it directly

(tested with a harbringer)

shoot at powerplant for like 4-5 overheats

and just did about 40% component damage (with 4x S2 ballistic cannon)

so i do think - didn't tested it with ballistics - that S1 ballistics won't do much to a perseus

esp with shields on

[tawny fern]

Wait

What are we talking about again

[lone bloom]

Ballistic PDCs vs Perseus

[tawny fern]

Oh lmao i thought

[lone bloom]

but since they're S1 they won't do shit

84% (?) damage reduction due to shield, and almost no pen to perseus armor in the first place

[tawny fern]

I was worried s1’s wont be able to damage fighters

[lone bloom]

everything can damage fighters

xD

[tawny fern]

Yea idk

The whole pdc’s shooting perseus thing is gonna be fixed

[lone bloom]

surely, but even if not, perseus just doesn't care

[humble anvil]

scorpius bugged in AC lol

[lone bloom]

[desert gorge]

What do we think about pdc range?
I mean they tested the changes once and they werenr able to even get a single missle 🫣
Do we think it will stay 2km ?

[lone bloom]

it has to

or they have to massively increase the dmg

[humble anvil]

s4 laser cannons do awhole lot of nothing.

ship despawned before i could kill it

if i focus the nose it would of exploded before armor died

S5 time

S5 killed the hull of the ship before the component

lol

if they fix the non critical part of the ship causing the ship to explode

i think we're good

[lone bloom]

9 seconds lmao

[humble anvil]

lol they put an invisible QD in the bridge

its sped up ravit

[lone bloom]

ik xd

[humble anvil]

me wanting to test ballistic pdc

aannnnnnd i cant pull the mdc from levski to dupe it

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

[desert gorge]

I mean herrs the thing since it cant use precision targeting and the perseus can move its different in combat maybe?

[azure fulcrum]

ohhhhh RIP, can't even kill anything large now unless using s5

wolf lite fitr meta 😭

[humble anvil]

Tested in PU and Arena Commander. Ship should Softdeath.
Issue Council Report : https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-190041

[humble anvil]

hey guys

[tawny fern]

hi

[humble anvil]

so if you get a bunch of pdc turrets

send them all down the elevator and bring a bunch up, you can detach the pdc from the mount

and put it on ships

ahem

15000 round swarm torrent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds77iQsthO0

Tested in PU and Arena Commander. Ship should Softdeath.
Issue Council Report : https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-190041

[midnight crypt]

im finally home and i tested the idris railgun on the perseus in the PTU and it fully one shots the perseus. no powerplant meltdown, just instant explosion

[azure fulcrum]

🤮 more hangar clutter

[minor field]

Where is the patch smh I wanna look at stats

[round zodiac]

maybe someday you will decide you want to own one of every ship, and that one can be one of your last, and you'll have a skin for it

[humble anvil]

CIG responded

"legend- gonna test a few things. We have tons of changes coming and some of it will go into 4.6"

In regards to Perseus Instant death

[minor field]

So Pers will instadie until 4.6

understood mr cig

[tawny fern]

are u kidding me

[humble anvil]

I got a feeling

That shits gonna get nerfed

Last time I told Mr. CIG

Perseus got nerf bat

[jade reef]

Oof Percy got gutted lol?

This is actually the worst nerf they've done in a while

[humble anvil]

Further armor ballistic and energy weapon damage reduction polish.

OwO?

More tweaks

Perseus to the moon plz

[jade reef]

What

[humble anvil]

Yes

[jade reef]

How did they let this get passed internal testing?

[humble anvil]

Xd

So hawk in next update will be fun

15000 ammo with auto aim

Maybe quick with it can sub target comps quickly

N go brrrr

[jade reef]

15,000 ammo?

[humble anvil]

In the next update

It has 15000 yes

[jade reef]

I can't wait for ballistics to get re-nerfed into the ground because of this lmao

[humble anvil]

270k total damage per PDT

[jade reef]

They're gonna reduce ammos back to 200 with no reload

[humble anvil]

[heady escarp]

[humble anvil]

STAHP

PDTs are finally working again

[heady escarp]

time to re nerf perseus

[jade reef]

Already done

[heady escarp]

😂 no not enough
we need more nerrrfs

[jade reef]

It's so funny they're trying to sell the new ship for Christmas and they decided to make it get one tapped by Aurora's

[heady escarp]

perseus isnt that bad
you just need to not know what its supposed to be, a be a fanatic...

[jade reef]

There's no way marketing doesn't swoop in and force them to turbo buff it before it's off the store

[heady escarp]

just saying, but generally speaking
wasnt it promissed to get huge buffs with armor patch?
and yet it somehow looks like lagging behind ALL the other ships?

im not going to believe in RSI anymore
they already fumbled with glass ship meteor

and now perseus

time to change to drake or something more consistant

[jade reef]

I mean everything is sort of ass atm with the ttk

Prob just skip a patch or 3 tbh

[heady escarp]

at least polaris still retain the original value

[jade reef]

????

[heady escarp]

did you see the armor buff on it?

if we compare with quality improvement , + price
its kinda lame what they did to perseus tbh

[humble anvil]

Tbh I'm glad they're squeezing Polaris closer to Perseus

It's shield is not good

Anymore*

[heady escarp]

who?

polaris?

[humble anvil]

They slightly increased it's shield so interesting to see where it lands

Yes Polaris

[heady escarp]

umm cant say I completely forgot the before shield what it was

[jade reef]

I'm glad they're keeping light fighters even more on top because if engineering and armour actually worked then we'd have to split mission payouts

[humble anvil]

Like

Lmao

250k

[heady escarp]

[humble anvil]

It was closer to 1mil 4.4

I think

[heady escarp]

• the huge HP of polaris

[humble anvil]

Yes 1mil shield

[heady escarp]

perseus shield is what

150?

[jade reef]

150 or 150k??

[heady escarp]

150K I mean

[humble anvil]

Uhhh

130k at best

[heady escarp]

eeehhhhh

yeah...

[humble anvil]

Because it's trapped with small large ship components that's it's downfall

[jade reef]

I might grab an ion out of buy backs to one shot some caps

[humble anvil]

Ion can't much anymore

[heady escarp]

all that space inside and they couldnt fit large components...

sigh