With them wanting fleet battles. All the range and velocity should have doubled. Railgun should have been made to 20km but kept the same velocity as it is now at 5km/s and like S8 be around 16km range and around like x2.3 the velocity
#Perseus Pals
midnight crypt
I am curious, has anyone from CIG even play any video game before? Like I started playing in 4.0 and the game up until these PTU for 4.5 was completely fine gameplay. But all these changes make no sense and just feels like they asked their grandmother on how they should make the changes
tawny fern
i guess we just wait for their write up on thursday to see how they justify these changes
azure fulcrum
a lot better lol
tawny fern
humble anvil
So what's new on the street today my fellow Perseus Pals
I remember when the remote turns were supposed to be bladed by default
Pepperidge farm remembers
Stupid
They're quite literally the most useless turrets,
Maybe in a year when we can blade remote turrets
And the Paladin is the metal ship
Meta
Because it has a computer and then that main quad turret is a remote turret
It's going to be the greatest and most stupidest time for Star Citizen
And this is pretty stupid
I see what they're doing It's nice
I really like how size 3 basically cannot penetrate the armor of the perseus
And size 4 barely can It depends what you use
You know you're taking a lot of ships like the arrow Gladius Titan basically all the light fighters except for maybe the wolf but even then the size fours aren't really doing much
Especially since the wolf is using gatling's or repeater so the penetration is nothing
Yesterday testing with self-aware, now granite we still have our hall reduction modifier and armor values could change. Sitting there for almost 3,500 bullets from an '84B
Four size fours, doing nothing to the Perseus
And you got to think you're not sitting in one spot, so getting those shots on the components are going to be tough angle matters as well
S*** even the Aries Inferno barely did much but it eventually got through
If you run the Perseus full ballistics, It has enough power pips to just keep cooling the system despite a power plant failure
It's really good and I don't think we give it enough credit
The ship basically negates a large amount of armament from a Corsair
And all these component health values could change while they're still testing engineering right before PU
And current outlook suggests that we will be far out of range of any danger while we pelt massive size 8 bullets into the hull of every ship
Only kinda sad we lost PDCs as a light fighter deterrent. Maybe they'll come back?
Oh they do work
They're tracking late
Likely a purposefully placed bug to make PDCs struggle so the light fighters can have their cake
PDCs gonna be busted for a patch or two.
lone bloom
If you run the Perseus full ballistics, It has enough power pips to just keep c...
And then they remove the reduction 
humble anvil
And then they remove the reduction <:cooked:1430272594833309797>
It will be fine
lone bloom
It will be fine
Wont be if s3 and smaller guns to full dmg again 
Esp with no pdc defence now
humble anvil
Wont be if s3 and smaller guns to full dmg again <:yeah:954999101223743499>
S3 doesn't have enough pen
Mostly can ignore them
lone bloom
S3 doesn't have enough pen
yet*
humble anvil
😭
humble anvil
That AC video from earlier?
Of an unmanned Perseus
Nah, wouldn't worry about it lol. Our PDCs are bugged
And the nose intermittent explosion of all comps has to be a bug too
Because Polaris body and everything dies too
But it can go through nose, neck, and rear neck causes explosion of comps
Sorry, not even a body
Damage is peanuts, we'll be fine
We should be 4000 meters away ranging big ships while fighters fight those fighters
In all reality
Still doesn't change the fact that it has 30% of the mass of a Polaris but only 10% of the durability
lone bloom
Still doesn't change the fact that it has 30% of the mass of a Polaris but only ...
38%*
humble anvil
This is glorpshit
azure fulcrum
Likely a purposefully placed bug to make PDCs struggle so the light fighters can...
I didn't think of that I think you're right! that makes a lot of sense
azure fulcrum
And then they remove the reduction <:cooked:1430272594833309797>
yeah it'll be fine only lose 40% hp 💀
lone bloom
I didn't think of that I think you're right! that makes a lot of sense
But the light fighters "cake" are supposed to be enemy fighters and bombers + maybe squishy hard points on larger ships (like pdcs and turrets)
azure fulcrum
I had this math discussion on spectrum that caused me to go to bed 7am I wake up and he admitted he was wrong about his calculation he argued it was 4.5 but then he said he only calculated the length and it's 3.8 the size of a perseus but I really think perseus is at least 1/3rd the size of a polaris in volume it's 3.2x bigger than perseus
I used a triangular prism and he used a rectangle -.-
azure fulcrum
But the light fighters "cake" are supposed to be enemy fighters and bombers + ma...
its only temporary to test if light fighter can even do anything against perseus is my guess
lone bloom
against any larger ship*
wonder if they tested the gladius vs perseus thing also with the 890
since apparantly the 890 has higher armor value
azure fulcrum
yeah
humble anvil
@azure fulcrum how much HP does perseus turret have
@azure fulcrum how much HP does perseus turret have
Did it just send twice?
Lmao
Service so bad I have no idea
azure fulcrum
<@456226577798135808> how much HP does perseus turret have
35k hull hp
azure fulcrum
Service so bad I have no idea
yes xD
azure fulcrum
<@456226577798135808> how much HP does perseus turret have
the weapons on it have 212k
lone bloom
They probably rolled the dice
what gets a HP Buff
and it fell on the cannons
like, wdym the cannon has more HP than the entire fucking ship
lone bloom
https://tenor.com/view/chris-roberts-star-citizen-360-microwave-roberts-space-in...
you know whats even worse? it probably goes through multiple people saying "yep we gonna do it like that"
azure fulcrum
IDK whats going on anymore man
lone bloom
and nobody asked the question "hold up guys what the fuck is that?"
azure fulcrum
you know whats even worse? it probably goes through multiple people saying "yep ...
maybe disco lando is responsible for the stats like he's responsible for the stats on the website xD
it seems like a one person job to me
lone bloom
DOubt that
azure fulcrum
hahahha
lone bloom
well its just ... doing numbers
But even an intern is probably able to make better logical numbers than whoever did those ones
azure fulcrum
yeah likely just one guy that put in the numbers. Another guy that decided what the stats should be
someone made a mistake probably the XML number guy again
And no one proof checked it
lone bloom
And no one proof checked it
Some probably did but just head nodded
Because everyone is scared to say their actual opinion
humble anvil
Wtf is that
humble anvil
people are angry that perseus can 2 shot the idris reactor
Because it fucking hasn't been adjusted
They're going to knee jerk the Perseus because of Idris owners bitching
lone bloom
if its more than 70% nerf aka more than all others i gonna riot
static cape
Because it fucking hasn't been adjusted
lore accurate
humble anvil
The Perseus should be able to shoot out reactors like it's nothing
It's a fucking s8
Yah know?
Landing a shot on that spot in the first place is an achievement
jade reef
Good morning gamers,
What are we outraged about today?
humble anvil
Good morning gamers,
What are we outraged about today?
Impending doom posting on Perseus's cannons that may or may not be a knee jerk reaction from CiG
humble anvil
We'll see
Think we're playing the Perseus wrong it sucks because the game doesn't really benefit what Perseus is supposed to do
Support a fleet by being a long range equalizer but it's... Eeee
Good luck hitting
jade reef
Perhaps fleet gameplay could be encouraged if mission payouts weren't divided to the point of being pennies when doing multi crew
Perhaps fleet gameplay could be encouraged if there was an event like OG Xenothreat with some frequency or tailor made group missions with big payouts for combat like Elite Dangerous wing missions
I hire two employees
They both have the same position
I pay both 1/2 as much
They both resign
Help why can't I retain staff?
This is why I'm glad I'm basically strictly a PvP pirate when it comes to making actual auec. All of my group money comes from shooting down C2s/Reclaimers with the boys 
steel thistle
> I hire two employees
> They both have the same position
> I pay both 1/2 as ...
yeah icl sharing contract should give everyone same payout
like if contract is 300k
give everyone 300k
cuz if they all accepted same contract seperately
it would be 300k
so why split it between 10 for 30 😭
i get that you could put 30 alts at spawn and share the contract then do it yourself for 30x reward
but whos doing that
midnight crypt
cuz if they all accepted same contract seperately
Well when they did that in 4.0 we had 100 people in a party and it got abused as hell. Everyone was doing all different contracts and was making bank
tawny fern
Well when they did that in 4.0 we had 100 people in a party and it got abused as...
i didnt play during 4.0, but i heard it was actually the one time where multicrewing was encouraged
steel thistle
but then if you in a fleet and not evb has the contract is a problem
steel thistle
i didnt play during 4.0, but i heard it was actually the one time where multicre...
crazy game breaking money farms tho
maybe a contract limit of 3 could also help
OH I KNOW shares between all party members but if you are in the same ship channel as the contract sharer its full pay maybe
everyone else its split
midnight crypt
i didnt play during 4.0, but i heard it was actually the one time where multicre...
Was encouraged but everyone was soloing contracts because we were trying to make the most amount of money as possible
steel thistle
meh that doesnt work 100% either
steel thistle
OH I KNOW shares between all party members but if you are in the same ship chann...
recalling fighters into ship for the full pay when you share
steel thistle
yea
lone bloom
maybe a contract limit of 3 could also help
Well... or just simply do it like other MMO's like you said, contract limits
steel thistle
yep
lone bloom
Contract for 1 player, 2 player, 4, 8 16 24
Above that doesn't get shared anymore/can't accept contract
steel thistle
yes
like you can have call to arms, hunt the polaris and some fps mission or smth at the same time
for everyone to split up and still do the missions
just parties can be limited to 3 contracts
lone bloom
Uh i more meant you can only share a contract to X players
steel thistle
yes you could have a 30 player party with strike teams of 10 doing 3 diff contracts
but
idk
lone bloom
not accept X amount of contracts at the same time
So one contract can only shared to X other persons
steel thistle
Uh i more meant you can only share a contract to X players
i suppose but theyd make bunker missions like 4 people max
and then the other half couldnt come
their ships be gunned down
lone bloom
Well if the bunker is meant for 4 people
yes
you can bring less people, but not more
steel thistle
limits the players from living their big dreams i feel like the contract limit would be less intrusive
steel thistle
would make new problems
like you have to start excluding your friends if you are doing a 2 player or 4 player mission
lone bloom
I mean thats how every other MMO handles that
lone bloom
like you have to start excluding your friends if you are doing a 2 player or 4 p...
Thats correct
steel thistle
they COULD
steel thistle
make it so the limit with 4 players or whatever is set for the contract
for full pay
lone bloom
Just don't use missions that are meant for 4 players if you know you are in a party with 8
steel thistle
and anything after that splits it
so its less advisable but you can do it if you want to
for the casual groups
lone bloom
you mean if you do it with 4 people, all 4 get full payment
steel thistle
yes
lone bloom
if 5 do it same payment is split between all 5
steel thistle
and if you do with 5 and above its split
yes
like how it is rn
but youd make like no money cuz a 4 player mission is probs like 30-60k lol
lone bloom
I mean that would make it available for "everyone" but would make it useless for the UEC grind
lone bloom
But then also the missions have to be hard enough
If the mission says its meant for 4 people
it should be hard enough so nobody can solo it
and just put 3 alt accounts in his ship
But apparantly engineering may fix that already lol
at least for ship combat related missions
steel thistle
and just put 3 alt accounts in his ship
this is true
lone bloom
tbf would also only apply to combat missions since all non combat missions could be said its 1 player max
Aka touring, Cargo Haul...
steel thistle
idk what if its a big cargo haul from diff places or a large scu
lone bloom
guess could be said its 2 players, but one large payment that gets split
so you can technically do it alone but get paid 2x since more risk and taking longer prep time
steel thistle
yea cig wya come sort this and make a better mechanic
steel thistle
so you can technically do it alone but get paid 2x since more risk and taking lo...
oh yes just make them all 1x player
then if payment is decent enough 2 will split it
lone bloom
yep
azure fulcrum
Well when they did that in 4.0 we had 100 people in a party and it got abused as...
We need like proper mmo mechanics multicrew contracts where you get assigned a role engineer pilot gunner and get paid for filling that role in the contract like queeing for a ffxiv instance
lone bloom
then if payment is decent enough 2 will split it
Like saying Hull C transport, pays 2 million, meant for two player because loading takes alot of time and alot of risk, you can technically do it solo, and get paid two millions but its significantlly easier if you do it with two players and there it gets split
steel thistle
other option is GTA percentages for heists LOL
grand sail
for everyone to split up and still do the missions
If they limit people that can accept contracts they can do it so contracts like hunt the Polaris or that big mission coming to nyx etc have higher amounts of players that can accept the mission
lone bloom
other option is GTA percentages for heists LOL
They could still do that, for larger group missions
steel thistle
contract sharer sets rates people have to accept but thats probs the worst idea
lone bloom
like 8 or more player missions
azure fulcrum
We need a mmo party finder too
steel thistle
They could still do that, for larger group missions
yea probs an awful idea tho cuz its kinda like a salary BUT getting 20 people who all want most % to accept their 10% and captain has 40% is gonna be hell
lone bloom
Im either way a fan of the GTA percentage system ngl, because you could set a Payment for Gunner % and payment for Pilot (likely owner of ship being higher payment) and payment for Engineer
midnight crypt
We need a mmo party finder too
What this discord is for
steel thistle
nobody gonna accept their % and want more
steel thistle
Im either way a fan of the GTA percentage system ngl, because you could set a Pa...
yes if they accept it
lone bloom
Yeah if they don't just say fuck you and kick them XD
steel thistle
the amount of arguments were had in gta parties LOL
everyone saying they carried the preps or whatever
lone bloom
Never had arguments about that one
lone bloom
everyone saying they carried the preps or whatever
Usually the starter of the heist did do all the prep work and paid for the heist in the first place lol
steel thistle
however some guys the ones with like 6 bil can opt for 0%
the newer players can get more money that way
lone bloom
Thats why I like that system lol
Tbf the person that doesn't need pay could also say they just give the others their payment after the mission splittedd
but with the current system its just simply not worth it to multicrew if you wanna farm money and thats something that annoys me alot
CIG: We want you to multicrew
Also CIG: Doesn't play multicrew themselfes because they don't join orgs, and also missions do not encourage to multicrew - they actively fight against multicrew
steel thistle
Tbf the person that doesn't need pay could also say they just give the others th...
until you get a scummy captain or party leader that doesnt pay out and leaves the game so you cant grief him
steel thistle
CIG: We want you to multicrew
Also CIG: Doesn't play multicrew themselfes becaus...
yet they make all these multicrew ships too
lone bloom
until you get a scummy captain or party leader that doesnt pay out and leaves th...
I mean you still get your payment from the mission, so no hard feelings there
Its just a thing if the person wants to share their money if they decide to already have enough or not lol
steel thistle
OHHH youre saying
yes i get it now
i thought you meant it goes all to party lead and they can share it themselves
lone bloom
No lol
all still get 100% but maybe one decides to give his payment from the missions to the others
and he can still do that after the mission
steel thistle
yeah
lone bloom
Unlike in GTA where you can't give other people money (without cheats)
grand sail
Same lmao
tawny fern
Lmao
humble anvil
I want to
humble anvil
I bought an oled
What u get
lone bloom
Brother, you lose with every single comment you read on spectrum at least one braincell xD
Read a post again about the Perseus HP, and that generally S5 ships are trash HP wise and even two capitals compared to Idris and Polaris and people justify it by saying "yeah brother hammerhead is also 1/10 of the health, and nobody cared there" yeah because its an way older ship and probably just simply never got its balance pass 
tawny fern
What u get
AW2725DF for 550
grand sail
AW2725DF for 550
I got the AW3423DWF for 500
tawny fern
Lol that was the other one i was looking at, but im not crazy about widescreen
lone bloom
How everyone else would do it:
@humble anvil @azure fulcrum what you thinking
humble anvil
I see numbers on larger multi-crew chips that are not capital
So I automatically agree
lone bloom
azure fulcrum
How everyone else would do it:
Better but dont think industrial sheep need that much armor lel their mass should be structural so more hull hp would be morr reasonble
lone bloom
Better but dont think industrial sheep need that much armor lel their mass shoul...
In my fictional world Hull HP are Armor
Therefor I went with simple princip of - one size larger ship but industrial aka likely lightest armor is similar to the heaviest from the class beneath
and then obviously depending on their own size too
lone bloom
Simply went with Ranking
azure fulcrum
They only grab money
lone bloom
- Role - any combat variant or class has generally more armor than all other roles
- Size class
- actual size of that specific ship
Thats the ranking with what I decided who will get how much value
For example with the Connies: Dromeda has most Armor value, after dromeda the Phoenix and explorer/Industrial have the lowest and same armor value
Or on the Herkules: A2 Heavy armored bomber most armor, M2 military transport medium armor, C2 civilian cargo transport (aka industrial) lightest armor
Makes at least more sense than whatever they have going on, and I made that shard within 15 min
tawny fern
Presumably todays ptu patch will adjust the values some more
lone bloom
Presumably todays ptu patch will adjust the values some more
It won't as much as I did
lone bloom
tawny fern
The mega coping is contagious
lone bloom
Took to much from Rustles cope medicine
azure fulcrum
New ptu build
Prepre buthole
Percious nerff
Armor hp incresed 200
Medusa alpha dmg recuded 70%
Some bs like that
jade reef
CIG when the challenge is to make a reasonable nerf
humble anvil
How everyone else would do it:
where's the spectrum post
lone bloom
where's the spectrum post
of what?
tawny fern
Whwres the spectrum post
humble anvil
lone bloom
There is none
humble anvil
You should total make one
lone bloom
just to get clown emojied again? xd
and people nitpicking and saying mimimi why gave X less than Z
lone bloom
See- there we go :p
lone bloom
tawny fern
@lone bloom Do u remember that guy in some other channel that was like
890j is bigger so it has more armor
Or like
Its a capital sized yacht of course it has more armor
Do u remember that
That was the most insane thing ive ever read
lone bloom
I mean that graph is made by me^^
tawny fern
YEA CRUISE SHIPS ARE MORE HEAVILY ARMORED THAN DESTROYERS CUZ THEYRE BIGGER RIGHT
lone bloom
I can see why it has more armor "value" at least
tawny fern
🤦♂️
lone bloom
But I don't see it having more "armor" class
clear bluff
YEA CRUISE SHIPS ARE MORE HEAVILY ARMORED THAN DESTROYERS CUZ THEYRE BIGGER RIGH...
depends on the cruise ship
lone bloom
In my perfect world armor value is just the HP of said armor before it breaks, and then there should be different classes of Armor itsself (aka determing what gun can damage it, and or pen it even fully)
aka No armor, light, medium, heavy, super heavy
lone bloom
No thats the point lol
tawny fern
Its just
lone bloom
So my point is
tawny fern
A second health pool right now
tawny fern
Yeah
lone bloom
but it would have less armor
like, you need S4 to damage a perseus armor
but S3 to damage 890 armor
but it takes longer to destroy the 890 armor because its simply larger
lone bloom
Like and 890 would have S6 light armor, while Perseus has S5 (super?) heavy armor
tawny fern
Quality and quantity values
But theres also the DR values that are currently in the ptu that we were talking about yesterday
Cig has so much potential with implementing armor
And i wholeheartedly expect them to screw it up
minor field
Still waiting for new ptu patch
I hope they balance the newer ship dmg finally so people can start evaluating
lone bloom
I guess I could just add numbers to the others were I didn't add numbers in the shard
tawny fern
Anvil is supposed to have strong armor across all of their ships no?
lone bloom
and?
lone bloom
<@409827451468906496>
humble anvil
i cant edit it now
round zodiac
yea, a "hardness" rating for armour would help for hte balance levers. could give 890 a lot of low hardness armour. and Perseus less (Than it) of harder armour
lone bloom
yea, a "hardness" rating for armour would help for hte balance levers. could giv...
Thats something they should add either way
Simply that would stand directly on the store page on every ship
"armor grade: S4 Heavy"
"Armor grade: S2 light" ....
azure fulcrum
fucking hell finally home
that one reddit guy talked about a armor thickness stat in erkul
I wonder if its not just a mistake
oh -.-
well better than nothing
not that I care about those ships
there's no armor card on 4.5
humble anvil
ptu build
azure fulcrum
o ok just not on the roadmap cards
humble anvil
Weapon fire rate and ammo balance to bring them back to 4.4.0 levels. Slight reduction in armor health across all ships. Added health bar to show armor and critical part damage. Power generators can now be repaired to stop the core from going critical. Implement room visualizations on the engineering screen using render layer groups feature. Added status warnings for low power combined with other critical warnings. Further smoke visibility improvement polish.
azure fulcrum
Weapon fire rate and ammo balance to bring them back to 4.4.0 levels. Slight red...
for fucksake
there are no parts for armor its a singular health pool what are they talking about
minor field
Now we wait for spviewer
minor field
Patch hasn't hit me yet? No update
azure fulcrum
it's gonna hit like a brick wall
minor field
Slight reduction in armor health across all ships
I wonder what new pers value will be
humble anvil
every ship but idris n polaris
humble anvil
patch live
minor field
Lmao
azure fulcrum
-40% is not the hull damage reduction but the durability modifier of the armor, as independent component 😫
azure fulcrum
Thats fan made isn't it
pretty sure they showed this on Shitcon
lone bloom
How long does it take for Spviewer to update?
azure fulcrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwFZb3EcA5I
just social system would be nice
kinda a game changer tbh
azure fulcrum
How long does it take for Spviewer to update?
I could poke olakeen but he's probably too busy with it right now
azure fulcrum
it's an honor to have you here @clear bluff
clear bluff
i can tell you once ive finished downloading
azure fulcrum
300kb p/s
tawny fern
prepare to be massively disappointed
minor field
I'm gonna explode if they still haven't changed it
I rly want an idea of what it'll be
lone bloom
-80 would be a 10% nerf
compared to others
But I would not be surprised if they try to hide that "nerf" behind all the confusion of a overall nerf across all ships
humble anvil
clear bluff
humble anvil
Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor.
OMNISKY'S GO BRRRRR
azure fulcrum
SCL on engineering today
humble anvil
Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a size 3 ballistic gatling). The amount they penetrate depends on the current armor percentage. Penetration cone, impact radius, and distance radius all affect area on penetration.
Linear progression: As you reduce armor, penetration increases linearly. At 0% armor, weapons penetrate at their maximum value.
Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor.
Component damage: Penetration is checked within a cone, not just a straight line. If a component is within the cone, it takes damage based on the penetration value and armor percentage.
Breaking armor: Even smaller weapons can eventually wear down armor over time, but larger weapons penetrate deeper and faster.
minor field
wtf it is in meters
lone bloom
Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared...
That doesn't
make sense at all
minor field
"Each component has a health value from 0% to 100% which will degrade performance of the component the closer to 0% it becomes."
humble anvil
Penetration cone: The system uses a cone check for penetration, so it’s not just a single bullet path. Multiple components can be affected within the cone.
azure fulcrum
Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a siz...
looks like chinese to me R u sure CIG hasn't been bought out by tencent?
humble anvil
cough
heady escarp
wtf it is in meters
obviously not on foot
tawny fern
yeah i was hoping it was in inches and feet
minor field
Lol
tawny fern
that would have been epic
minor field
They should add a sprinkler system that suppresses fires a little in larger ships like pers
lone bloom
Would've been epic since they use KM and M as measurement ingame
azure fulcrum
Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a siz...
damn the penetration cone theory was correct
if perseus is still 2 meter cone
azure fulcrum
lone bloom
Penetration Mechanics: Weapons have a penetration value (e.g., 1 meter for a siz...
So - means that ballistic - which are meant to penetrate armor - are less effective at ... damaging said armor????????
Or do they just simply ignore armor in the first place?
clear bluff
am i now
azure fulcrum
unpacking rn I'll try to check medusa dmg
join rustle so you can test properly lol
round zodiac
why wouldnt it be in meters?
minor field
I thought it was gonna be cm lol
round zodiac
oh, i thought the issue was it was metric
azure fulcrum
why wouldnt it be in meters?
ameriburger obsession with feet and thumbs is a bit messed up
round zodiac
its a MANCHESTER studio, man
azure fulcrum
powerplant disabled after liek 6 shots of perseus hit by medusa
tawny fern
sounds like damage wasnt touched lol
round zodiac
few omniskies to the tailpipe and we're cooked?
azure fulcrum
sounds like damage wasnt touched lol
correct
percy on fire after 15 shots
wtf
powerplant went critical
azure fulcrum
yeah
lone bloom
omg ammo wasnt touched?????
apparantly not
minor field
Wait what I thought they were reducing
round zodiac
cant wait to bring some turretboys out for a rip, come home to restock to find both turrets are out 2000 rounds
azure fulcrum
round zodiac
spend a mill restocking from the 10 LRTs we did
azure fulcrum
armor counter is working in engineering terminal now
nose was zerod in a matter of seconds powerplant go ciritical on fire
using corsair with laser cannons
🤡
tawny fern
its so over
azure fulcrum
perseus is more squish now
its not just medusas that kill it in seconds
its corsair with lasers as well
after like 20 seconds of firing m6a with corsair lol 20% armor and shields down
clear bluff
as you've probably seen already, no adjustment to medusa cannons
lone bloom
yeah but they fucked now the armor completely
"Ships are supposed to survive now more"
it survives not even one salvo of a Corsair brother (the armor)
🥀
tawny fern
@azure fulcrum
Ships and Vehicles:
➣ Added Krig L-21 Wolf to ship shops
➣ Hornet Heartseeker Turret added to shops
➣ Fire extinguisher added to shops
L-21 in shops HUGAE
huge
azure fulcrum
Ships and Vehicles:
➣ Added Krig L-21 Wolf to ship shops
➣ Hornet Heartseeker Tu...
heartseeker turret is nice
humble anvil
i bet every ship
azure fulcrum
L-21 in shops HUGAE
why? l22 is better lol
humble anvil
but polaris n idris are affected
tawny fern
Damage: Caused by combat, collisions, fires, and direct actions against the component. These can be repaired and restored to a pre-damage state using multi-tools and materials
Wear: Accumulated through normal use over time and will gradually degrade maximum component performance. Wear damage cannot be repaired through multi-tool use which means over time, the only way to restore functionality will be to replace the worn out component. Operating time, high-stress operations (combat, high power usage), and environmental exposure will all effect component wear.
this is the dumbest shit ive ever seen
desert gorge
Is it just me or do i feel like engineering will be delayed bc they are not capable of doing it properly 😂
humble anvil
a full load capacitor with s4 lase cannons m6a (33 shots?) took out 80% of perseus armor
default loadout corsair
with shields to max on perseus
azure fulcrum
Is it just me or do i feel like engineering will be delayed bc they are not capa...
it already was delayed for 5 years
azure fulcrum
or do we need another 5 year delay?
desert gorge
it already was delayed for 5 years
Lets give it another 4-5years
minor field
lone bloom
Damage: Caused by combat, collisions, fires, and direct actions against the comp...
so in case of military components, you have to get a full new component
why the fuck do they add this before crafting
round zodiac
that 'wear and tear reducing max performance' has been the plan forever
azure fulcrum
these new armor values are quite literally insane
that's just ragebait
round zodiac
gonna be a highly public process though, 'tubers gotta get their december ad views
azure fulcrum
ragebaittttt
imagine being enraged by someone pointing out somethings wrong with the armor values
lone bloom
that's just ragebait
Nobody expects them to be final, but I at least for my part expected them to make at least in some way sense and not be a fully dice roll of dogshit values that everyone in this discord here rn could make better ones on the go
azure fulcrum
Nobody expects them to be final, but I at least for my part expected them to mak...
I mean we're only 2 weeks away from live
lone bloom
I expect it at least to be "near final" or at least hinting at the direction thats fair and realistic
azure fulcrum
expecting it to be somewhat close to final
considering they've been working on it for 5 years
lone bloom
Worked on it for 5 years
and I made better armor values in 15 min
Probably spent 4.9 years of those 5 at the new barista
and set those values 5 min before PTU
azure fulcrum
they don't give us a reason for lowering the armor values
minor field
they don't give us a reason for lowering the armor values
"Lower ttk"
azure fulcrum
it's just: O we lowered all armor values 🤡
minor field
lone bloom
they don't give us a reason for lowering the armor values
The fun part is everyone be like "we need to UP the values" CIG : "So, you mean down?"
azure fulcrum
"Lower ttk"
the TTK was already low lol
tawny fern
who tf is testing this shit so they can be fired asap
lone bloom
Wave 1 testers
lmao
But I bet there wasn't one saying they need to fucking down the armor value
minor field
Concierge suggestions own the game
round zodiac
Wave 1 must be mostly subs, not many in the 25k bracket
lone bloom
Maybe they are really already owned by tencent and don't know how to understand english
minor field
Tencent owns me
azure fulcrum
why does yogi want a exclusively hand picked evo group if he isn't going to listen to feedback anyways
lone bloom
why does yogi want a exclusively hand picked evo group if he isn't going to list...
Reminding you on the perseus feedback thread
100+ votes probably by now top comment saying the armor has to go fucking up
absolutely got ignored
the comment got more upvotes
azure fulcrum
**absolutely got ignored**
this tells us one thing:
lone bloom
than the feedback thread itsself
lone bloom
you can't make this up
They ask for feedback - decide to ignore it - surprised pikachu face when players are angry and unpleased with the patch/balance
Why has that become a very common thing in the gaming industry that developers/publishers keep ignoring their community?
azure fulcrum
they never listen to the community unless salt-e mike comments and makes a video
lone bloom
That Person is like one with the worst opinions in all SC
azure fulcrum
XDDD
lone bloom
He is like the Hasan of SC (if you guys Know Hasan from Asmongold)
spviewer still no update 
azure fulcrum
a few yes
round zodiac
why do people watch that smelly person
lone bloom
I don't typically watch him, just frequently get short clips recommendet
round zodiac
i just know hes the bummiest millionaire living in a dark attic full of cardboard
tawny fern
well
im excited to fly around in missile boats and one shot everything i look at
with 0 risk of getting one shot myself
lone bloom
and considering S5 torps are quite fast...
and you have alot of them... and hurt alot..
tawny fern
did u guys test missiles
azure fulcrum
and considering S5 torps are quite fast...
S5 torps got nerfed as far as I'm aware since 4.4
slow low HP takes like 4 s5 torps to kill a freelancer
camural made a video about it
tawny fern
o
lone bloom
thats 4.4 tho
azure fulcrum
they could be good in 4.5 now all ships are made of paper
tawny fern
especially sabre firebird
azure fulcrum
especially sabre firebird
firebird is cool its just too expensive to use for anything but PvP xD
a single size 3 missile just took out the Perseus. This was shortly after it was spawned and prior to anyone even shooting at it. It simply blew up.
humble anvil
5 buggy patches, 5 buggy patches. take 1 down pass it around, 6 buggy patches
great year of stability CIG
tawny fern
they;re so stupid
humble anvil
guys
why is turret dps getting bigger
lmaooo
oh
because they readjusted the mantis
and pdc are 2000meter again
azure fulcrum
why is turret dps getting bigger
They reverted weapons damage but not shield pool
they made another mistake?
this cant be right
humble anvil
they just reverted all the changes
azure fulcrum
what the fuck are they doing
they did an oopsie
humble anvil
Engineering post poned?
humble anvil
azure fulcrum
omg you were right
azure fulcrum
azure fulcrum
;p
humble anvil
this isnt a well thought out update
these values should have been on the back end of a fuckking excel sheet for a good year
before being pushed like this
azure fulcrum
these values should have been on the back end of a fuckking excel sheet for a go...
5 years
🍼 💩 🤡 🤮 🔒
lone bloom
They still didn't touch perseus cannons i assume?
lone bloom
so thats why the corsair bullets hit that hard
humble anvil
yeah
lone bloom
But
lone bloom
if they reverted all weapon changes......
humble anvil
because the armor also weaker
humble anvil
if it used old dps, it is only 10k damage, but the new values which are old 4.4 values
azure fulcrum
and up all shield values
thats my point they didn't revert the shield changes
minor field
and pdc are 2000meter again
wait really
azure fulcrum
thats why everything dies so quickly
minor field
??
tawny fern
cig doesnt know what they're doing with the ptu
lone bloom
the only change they did not revert is the shield
and armor even more nerfed now
lmao
so you just die in seconds
No matter your ship
azure fulcrum
cig doesnt know what they're doing with the ptu
IDK why they're trying to do the stat changes last minute only weeks before live
minor field
wait so weapon dmg is back?
lone bloom
yes
azure fulcrum
this is peak CIG moment right here
lone bloom
But everything else is still low
so even in a idris you die within seconds due to component failure
azure fulcrum
shields are low armor got nerfed yeah
minor field
lone bloom
minor field
azure fulcrum
I hope range stays back to normal
lone bloom
I mean they still have like 2 weeks to patch before holidays
minor field
I think it'll come but weapon range and dmg changes delayed
lone bloom
but boy if they don't fix all that trash within those two weeks
minor field
+really high component hp as a bandaid
lone bloom
they have to not release this patch
azure fulcrum
It's all getting reverted
I dont understand why they can't just revert everything and just add more armor
azure fulcrum
+really high component hp as a bandaid
yeah that would work
humble anvil
Then the Idris will be even more insufferable
azure fulcrum
Then the Idris will be even more insufferable
no everything except idris and polaris
lone bloom
+really high component hp as a bandaid
or just really high armor values
lone bloom
Like, seriously in my head it sounds like a very easily to balance mechanic across the board in terms of just numbers
azure fulcrum
Like, seriously in my head it sounds like a very easily to balance mechanic acro...
it is really easy
lone bloom
and then you just need to balance the ships out between each other
thats the "harder part"
but they aren't even are able to do the easier "rough values" part
azure fulcrum
but marketing team is making it hard for them: they have to make capitals OP because marketing demands it
lone bloom
like with their rn tech
tawny fern
this is so bad
lone bloom
every ship is bad
or better said
every ship except light fighters
(what a surprise lol)
minor field
At least pdcs are back
lone bloom
for now
minor field
azure fulcrum
I made a comment here a few months back
not to be dramatic (well just a bit) I said: Perseus and engineering will be the defining make or break moment revealing whether CIG can deliver on making the game or not
they proved they can't get the most simple things right
lone bloom
Well we had enough faith in CIG that engineering/armor may fix the disbalance between fighters and larger ships, and fix the Perseus armor / HP values, meanwhile CIG crushed that faith and throwed it out of the window with a burning cigarette after it, while laughing in all the money they made at IAE
azure fulcrum
this just tells me its doomed the project is going to fail
round zodiac
yea this wild number throwing just shows they have no simulator
azure fulcrum
yea this wild number throwing just shows they have no simulator
if there was any redflag to get out this it
if you have any significant amount of money invested in this game sell lol
I don't care about a few hundred bucks its fine
lone bloom
Meanwhile even Iris sold the majority of the fleet
azure fulcrum
I know Iris already sold yeah lol
round zodiac
by this point, they should have a data driven ship combat simulator that cna run at 100x gamespeed
cant rely on FoxyLoxy
azure fulcrum
Meanwhile even Iris sold the majority of the fleet <:kekw:875083074956820540>
any normal gamer outside of spectrum and reddit echochamber can see there is something very wrong and abnormal about this
lone bloom
I mean their funding model is very predatory thats always been clear^^
And so is their development speed snail like we all knew this xd
minor field
lone bloom
Thats why I try to keep my spending at a very minimum
azure fulcrum
And so is their development speed snail like we all knew this xd
IDK how I could be so naive to think CIG already had the stats nailed down years ago and were just waiting to implement with engineering
IDK that sounds stupid
tawny fern
IDK how I could be so naive to think CIG already had the stats nailed down years...
idk how i could be so stupid thinking cig would fix this
azure fulcrum
I thought with armor they had at least an inkling of an idea how to make the stats work
I thought wrong
lone bloom
I mean I will wait with all that until Live -
They could also just go and say PTU was a shitshow and won't go live with it
azure fulcrum
I hope they go live with it
let everything go to shit
then hopefully CIG changes their ways
lone bloom
I doubt that a shitstorm because of something that happens ingame will change anything
aslong the funding amount keeps increasing
azure fulcrum
it will make the game unplayable then people stop funding then CIG will listen
thats what I hope lol
lone bloom
didn't happened with 3.18 either
and there majority of people were not even able to start the game
let alone get past the menu
azure fulcrum
loooool
lone bloom
and even if you got somehow into the game, the game had so many bugs and server issues that it was pretty much unplayable
The obvious thing is tho now that after a whole decade and slowy moving towards the second decade, people expect at least basic stuff... and that said stuff at least works frequently without anything major preventing you from playing
jade reef
New patch out yet or still speculation?
lone bloom
Patch broke more than it did fix
They resetet all weapons back to 4.4 state (except ammo count apparantly), but nerfed armor, meaning less hp than it already had
azure fulcrum
New patch out yet or still speculation?
pet out enjoy
lone bloom
so ships, no matter their size, die within seconds
5 years of work for engineering
I can't wait how basebuilding and crafting will turn out
jade reef
Oh no that bad lol?
azure fulcrum
basebuilding isn't even that difficult
lone bloom
Oh no that bad lol?
Worse than bad
azure fulcrum
but its more difficult than numbers on a spreadsheet
so you can bet your ass its gonna be worse
🐒
jade reef
Surely there's people posting about this on spectrum or IC?
lone bloom
well if they decide to go soon (this week) into wave 2 its gonna be bad
tawny fern
spectrum be like yes yes good good here have more money
jade reef
The ttk cannot be that bad
If it is we're just in an even bigger light fighter meta because agility tanking
azure fulcrum
The ttk cannot be that bad
you have no idea
minor field
Who is wave 1 open to?
concierge and subs
lone bloom
A corsair kills a Perseus within 25-30 seconds
jade reef
Lmao
lone bloom
Sure ttk isn't that bad right?
jade reef
But how quickly does the Percy kill the Corsair?
lone bloom
wasn't tested but Perseus vs Perseus kills within a few bullets
jade reef
Also is this PvP or PvE? Because the NPCs can't hit anything so I don't really consider them a metric of anything
minor field
How did this make it out of evocati lmfao
lone bloom
and that early access has even another early access
minor field
Lmfao
lone bloom
I mean PU - PTU - Evocati
so you have an early access for the early access FOR the actual early access
jade reef
This is also just the ham fisted first CIG pass lmao
round zodiac
sure but this isnt refinement, this is hackjob
doesnt seem to be a planned scale to base things off of
jade reef
No way engineering goes to live if it's like 10 second ttks, that's not even enough time to navigate the (probably extremely buggy) UI to engineer
jade reef
hahahahaha
lone bloom
Pvp - with full power to shield
lone bloom
Rustle doing it in few min
jade reef
I hope this is being recorded to be uploaded to spectrum / IC or somewhere
lone bloom
no
jade reef
Also how about other ships? How down bad is the Polaris / Idris?
And stuff like the Corsair / cat / Connie/ 600i?
lone bloom
How many things does the Ion one shot now?
like 3-4 bullets
kill powerplant
perhaps even a single bullet apparantly
jade reef
Oh god
lone bloom
And stuff like the Corsair / cat / Connie/ 600i?
i mean considering percy has the most armor value/armor in general in terms of non combat caps
its gonna be significantly worse on those
and idris / polaris also just a few more bullets
but only due to shields
jade reef
God
This cannot go to live
You can't even access the engineering gameplay to figure out what needs to be engineered before you're downed
Also actually, how janky is the engineering screen? It's just a big MFD right?
jade reef
Ares stays winning
lone bloom
3 bullets for back power plant .-.
minor field
lone bloom
1-2 for the shield
and the third one oneshots the plant
The armor does nothing anymore rn
Imagine the S10s on the Javelin
Just gonna onehite you in that state
jade reef
Looks like the Reddit is on fire
This won't go live I don't think, they're gonna have to go back to the drawing board on this, the feedback is like 100s upon 100s of comments of overwhelming negativity
minor field
Wait wave 3 has ptu now?
jade reef
Hot take
CIG has done very well this year, all they should do is push a lag patch for nyx and go on Christmas break, revisit engineering in Q1
lone bloom
We should just all agree on that 4.5 Was a bad dream or at best a early April Fools joke and they will release fully functional and non glitching crafting suddenly instead
jade reef
It needs a lot of work and we've gotten a shitload of content this year and should just be happy the game is in a good state on live for the holidays and there's like 3 new ships for the holidays
humble anvil
perseus still doesnt have a massive fuck u cone
meanwhile laser cannons do
and they also penetrate armor
Joy to the world
so the point to use lasers is to shred shield, shred armor
but when every ship literally has no shield
why would you ever use ballistics
and then lasers cannons are penning just fine
humble anvil
Perseus is a really bad joke
azure fulcrum
you need a certain amount of penetration I guess the ion and inferno (so called anti-cap role) can't do jack against idris for example but they can fuck up percy lol
I imagine percy will still be able to pen idris to dmg cap components but perseus is anti-subcap role?
this game is such a mess I wish they would at least stay true to the intended role for each ship
but they do whatever the fuck
larger payload should create a larger blast cone 🤡 but thats not true either
there's no logic to any of this
azure fulcrum
humble anvil
I assume Perseus will be good
azure fulcrum
yeah we did all we could do CIG don't listen to feedback. eventually probably perseus will be good
they're gonna rework everythingg a thousand times over we're early days
still 10 years left till 1.0 or so (speculative) lots can change
engineering is T -1 its only the beginning
I don't think there is any reason to melt it just yet
ur components just gonna die after a few hours because of decay lmao
desert gorge
So basicly whole game is fked and if they release 4.5 like this we are screwed eh? 😂
tawny fern
i wanna try missile boat gladiator
desert gorge
Hmh erkul hasnt updated yet 🫤
Will all weapons be like 4.4 again? It rrads like it no?
PDCs reverted to 2km range which is good change 100% and should stay so fighters have to get close and shouldnt be able to outrange em 🤔
azure fulcrum
I can't really think of any game developer that is as incompetent in balancing stats in a game as CIG is
can you guys think of any?
Honestly suspecting there is an ulterior motive to this
why would they sabotage the game on purpose?
is there a deeper meaning to this?
there must be a conspiracy
they're very competent and fleecing us and sabotaging the CCU warbonds for example
they're pathological liars too very competent at gaslighting us
I haven't quite come to any conclussion yet but I think I'm on to something
I wish there were more schyzo people here that would brainstorm with me on this
I think there's many layers to it it's not just oh they want to stretch it as far as they can so they can fund their project longer. Maybe they just run a skeleton crew for the PU and all hands on deck for SQ42 because that's Chris Roberts real baby he's really not that involved with the PU anymore
(even tho one dev told us on SCL that's not true that all resources are on SQ42 but we know they lie all the time I don't believe one word that comes out of their mouths)
because I'm convinced Chris Roberts prioritizes SQ42 over all else, its his new wing commander game and his dream is to make an interactive movie.
i.e. the new FM not being able to get ported to PU yet etc. everything is made first in SQ42. It's kinda obvious.
I'm gonna go with that theory
and hold on hope that more competent devs will be put on the PU after SQ42 is finished
tawny fern
realistically
i think
perhaps they're trying to test different individual aspects of engineering in separate tests
without...changing anything else
which sounds turbo dumb
azure fulcrum
the motive for CR is there I think it says it all SQ42 is his baby his dream is to create an interactive movie SQ42 the new wingcommander
azure fulcrum
perhaps they're trying to test different individual aspects of engineering in se...
it seems like they're just randomly trying stuff rn and failing miserably throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks
like a chimp in a suit facerolling his keyboard in front of a XML file
tawny fern
lol
you'd think if they wanted to just change values around dramatically like this all haphazard like, that would be in evo
not ptu
azure fulcrum
you'd think if they wanted to just change values around dramatically like this a...
exactly its so nonsensical I can't get my head around it and can't help but think something else is going on
either sheer incompetence of a very inexperienced dev or purposeful sabotage lol
IDK think chimp in a suit would do a better job at least he has basic patern recognition
or a third option chris is creating a breakaway civilization building a underground offworld colony megacity on mars and working with elon musk or something
like some anime type shit
midnight crypt
They should just work on having full VR support. I wouldn’t care about all the BS they are doing when I can roam the PU in VR
azure fulcrum
principality of zeon space station
or like evangelion he's creating SEELE and preparing for the angels
What’s actually happening (most likely):
In my assessment, the real causes are:
Overambition + feature creep
A perfectionist creative director
Too many custom systems stacked on custom systems
Years of tech debt underneath everything
A live community watching sausage get made
Monetization pressure
Poor internal communication
Poor external transparency
No secret society. No villain room. No evil geniuses.
Just a stunningly messy, ego-driven, over-funded, under-disciplined development cycle.
That kind of chaos doesn’t need a conspiracy — it generates insanity all on its own.```Yooo this is some fire doom posting
jade reef
I wish there were more schyzo people here that would brainstorm with me on this
Chris Roberts is inside your walls right now, you need to tear out your walls, he is watching you
Nightmare Nightmare Nightmare
This is not a simple coding bug they will fix tomorrow, they will not roll back the PTU, this is absolutely a conspiracy
shadow oasis
I'm having trouble understanding this : "Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons are less effective against armor compared to energy weapons, which do 1.4x normal damage to armor."
Source: Engineering doc leak.
I thought ballistics were suppose to ignore shields and go straight to armor, now it's uno revered?
tawny fern
yeah idk wtf they're doing
with how they have it now, you just use laser cannons for everything
round zodiac
i thought the point of shields was to deflect physical impacts
like bumping and ballistics
tawny fern
idk what cig is doing
severe lynx
I'm having trouble understanding this : "Weapon type matters: Ballistic weapons ...
I think you are confusing hull and armor
ballistics will still damage components and hull through shields but wont chip away armor that much compared to lasers
shadow oasis
ballistics will still damage components and hull through shields but wont chip a...
Ah ok, so ballistics are more to hit internal, lasers for external (shield and armor)
severe lynx
yea but their ability to penetrate through armor depends on remaining armor hp and the weapon size
humble anvil
Their penetration value
Laser cannons stonks, repeaters and Gatlings barely penetrate
Even with big size
lone bloom
```
What’s actually happening (most likely):
In my assessment, the real causes ...
Pretty sure not having a villain room is the biggest issue on that list
lone bloom
Also since they moved now already to wave 3 apparantly.......
Guess they really intend that shit to go to live
humble anvil
Joy
lone bloom
Back to bunkers I will go
at least still can do that with Perseus and Nursa
jade reef
They will probably revert the ttk by tonight, it's definitely a decimal error
jade reef
It makes the ship PvE/PvP unplayable, AC sweats will force this to change
lone bloom
it doesn't make it unplayable, it even goes again in favor for light fighters alot
For those that sweat in PvP thats surely the dream rn
jade reef
They probably reverted to old damage or something by mistake idk, there's zero way this ttk hits live if engineering is unplayable in its current state
lone bloom
I doubt it even goes further than wave 1 with those shit going on
yet it went to wave 3
Also its not a mistake if they specifically mentioned it in the patch notes
jade reef
Really? They intend the ttk to go live?
Where patch notes?
did they also reduce claim time by 75%? Because otherwise Imma just camp GH in a Dragonfly and one shot PvP bounties
lone bloom
<:kekl:888505420593889290> did they also reduce claim time by 75%? Because other...
and someone with a railgun on the back
If they bring it to live with a ttk like that - and larger ships not being able to defend themselfes (well- just like the past 13 years) no point in using anything else but a light fighter in any kind of combat
jade reef
Weapon fire rate and ammo balance to bring them back to 4.4.0 levels. Slight reduction in armor health across all ships. Added health bar to show armor and critical part damage. Power generators can now be repaired to stop the core from going critical. Implement room visualizations on the engineering screen using render layer groups feature. Added status warnings for low power combined with other critical warnings. Further smoke visibility improvement polish.
Ammo levels not damage
Clearly this is a bug