Perseus Pals

[azure fulcrum]

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-funny-laugh-lol-gif-12389241

[minor field]

Ig they nerfed the hp of everything tho

So maybe it's fine

[azure fulcrum]

did they?

Uwu

[minor field]

Still the issue of hitting shots with pers

Did they change bullet velocity at all?

[azure fulcrum]

not if you disable auto-aim and lead your shots

;D

[lone bloom]

1.5 mil subs, only does SC content and says "I can try to shoot him through the canopy" .-.

[minor field]

Loading in now

[severe lynx]

AF/AM are shit at hitting with such a slow weapon

[lone bloom]

ah yes, not like CIG said thats a impossible thing

[grand sail]

how do you that i couldnt figure it out

[azure fulcrum]

no

[minor field]

Rip

[severe lynx]

right alt + G

[minor field]

Meta just got flipped on its back and railed hard

[lone bloom]

Railen the Meta

[minor field]

Olli casually doing nothing helpful

[azure fulcrum]

right alt + G, then press Q to unlock gimbals then press E to disable VJOY, also turn on lag pip mode in game options menu by default and the two little lines I forgot what they were called they indicate directions

[lone bloom]

dude just does nothing

[azure fulcrum]

I'm loving this

[grand sail]

thanks

[lone bloom]

people once again making the wrong people big on social media

[grand sail]

thanks

[azure fulcrum]

I turned off the stream 10 minutes ago that guy is so annoying to listen to

what a CIG muppet

[lone bloom]

going to test combat with engineering

also him - taking one of the weakest ships

but ofc its one of the newest ships ykyk

[azure fulcrum]

PENETRATION

[lone bloom]

brother

[lone bloom]

they increased the health of the turret by 607%

[azure fulcrum]

we penetrating now

[lone bloom]

BUT FORGOT THE FUCKING HULL ITSSELF

[minor field]

Inb4 they nerf it after the refund period ends

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

brother WAT

[lone bloom]

i mean the armor value is still the same

the Turret

has more HP

than the hull

[azure fulcrum]

maybe they changed the wrong value lmao

gonna take another 6 months for them to fix it

[minor field]

Optimizing shaders

I just wanna play man

[azure fulcrum]

you mean hull HP or armor HP is it under structure?? I can't quite find what you mean ?

[lone bloom]

that dude tries to kill the pilot through the invulnerable cockpit glass

i can't

[azure fulcrum]

still same hull HP

[lone bloom]

the armor value is still 70K something no?

[azure fulcrum]

IDK where you see the armor hp?

[lone bloom]

the leaked one

[azure fulcrum]

ooo ok

[azure fulcrum]

so the 76k armor hp is for the turret?

[lone bloom]

no...?

im saying that the turret has more than double the HP

than the armor Hull

[minor field]

PDCs nerfed again smh

[azure fulcrum]

huh

[severe lynx]

so the s8 turret got a massive hp buff but also an armor nerf?

[azure fulcrum]

sorry not quite following you because the turret has 35k

I'm gonna ask the SPviewer guy where the armor values are

[lone bloom]

you just posted that

[azure fulcrum]

oh thats from the medusa cannon

not the turret itself

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

interesting

[lone bloom]

doesn't make it better

[azure fulcrum]

thats stupid

[lone bloom]

then the gun has more than double

the HP of the Armor

[azure fulcrum]

[lone bloom]

212K vs what? 78K?

They probably rolled the dice on "what HP should we increase on the perseus"

[minor field]

I absolutely do NOT think any of this is even close to the final stats for LIVE

[lone bloom]

and it fell on the Cannons

[minor field]

But

They've clearly already put a lot of thought into the values tho

[lone bloom]

We said the same about the Perseus Hull HP that got leaked days before Live

[azure fulcrum]

fuck lol

[lone bloom]

No, they absolutely did not

[minor field]

There are some very specific and minor adjustments on all types of ships

Surely they know what they're doing..

[lone bloom]

a 400I has more armor value than a redeemer

[azure fulcrum]

the range holy fuck

jesus

[lone bloom]

well at least we got a ASOP search bar

Tried to call me a whale

with 2 fucking ships while most part of them are gifted

[azure fulcrum]

DUUUDE so the panthers got 1k range but the s4 kruger guns got 3k range

[minor field]

Yoo big polaris ballistic cannon buffs

[azure fulcrum]

Hahhaha

xD

IDK whats going on anymore

[lone bloom]

im still at 44 bucks spend

[lone bloom]

nvm 49 with the galaxy upgrade i can't apply yet

[azure fulcrum]

whyyyyyy buff the health 1445%

[midnight crypt]

Bengal 😮

[lone bloom]

even the S6 cannon of the polaris has more health than the Perseus

[azure fulcrum]

-90% dmg

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

WHAT

lol

[grand sail]

any changes on the medusas range?

[lone bloom]

self aware, dude asked for ship suggestions

people in chat Perseus

and he goes "nah not perseus - we go zeus"

[azure fulcrum]

nop

[lone bloom]

did you check the ranges on s1-s5 guns?

[minor field]

Anyone with pers want to test against and defending from polaris? Curious how damage will do

[severe lynx]

does a .6x phys damage modifier mean it is 40% more vulnerable?

[azure fulcrum]

this is kinda concerning tho

[minor field]

Just finished optimizing shaders

[lone bloom]

none of us has access to PTU W1 xD

[azure fulcrum]

no changes to medusa stats besides the hp and armor pen

[minor field]

Oh

[azure fulcrum]

weird

[lone bloom]

yes

[azure fulcrum]

not yet I am old man can only do so much lol

[minor field]

I doubt the pers cannon damage is the same, maybe a bug

They're nerfing all weapon dps across the board so it'd be odd

[azure fulcrum]

dude mantis has less range than panthers

[lone bloom]

so they DID actually change the ranges

[azure fulcrum]

not for all weapons

[lone bloom]

well apparantly not

[azure fulcrum]

l22 is untouched

[lone bloom]

probably some slipped

[azure fulcrum]

medusa untouched

[lone bloom]

medusa is S8

[azure fulcrum]

which is concerning

[lone bloom]

im talking about 1-5

Im still thinking that S6+ may stay untouched

[minor field]

Well

The good news is, if they actually aren't changing the medusa damage then you'll be disabling cap ships

But that's a big if imo

[azure fulcrum]

no look a lot of the 1-5 are also untouched

its just CIG being lazy

[lone bloom]

wdym

perseus does in PU

[lone bloom]

why would it not be able to do it yet ?

[severe lynx]

wild

[minor field]

Not effectively by itself

On a crewed cap I mean

[azure fulcrum]

S1 seems untouched

[minor field]

I'M IN WOOO

[lone bloom]

10, billion health why not

[azure fulcrum]

this is kinda scuffed ngl

[lone bloom]

yep they absolutely know what they are doing over there

[azure fulcrum]

I think this is the end of the line guys

https://tenor.com/view/you-went-full-gif-12640090421596838899

[minor field]

wait I have a perseus in ptu for some reason

I can test

[lone bloom]

Probably didn't apply the Polaris there yet

[minor field]

oh because I haven't copied acc over

[azure fulcrum]

XDDD

[minor field]

Well ig I can test pers bois

[lone bloom]

one last time having the good ship

[azure fulcrum]

plz stream

[minor field]

alr

[azure fulcrum]

o yeah we can go to voice

[minor field]

Idk how to set up a channel lol

[azure fulcrum]

uh lemme check

[minor field]

wait what the hell

the cannons look different

unless I'm schizo

[azure fulcrum]

https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/1445227087991537840

[lone bloom]

Don't you know the answer on that one already

After switching from polaris to perseus to polaris to perseus to polaris to perseus to polaris?

[azure fulcrum]

come join us @lone bloom

[severe lynx]

Torrent got 10k more ammo

laser pdc range down to 700~m

[minor field]

@lone bloom the site is wrong about medusa

didnt update all stats

[minor field]

nvm

[severe lynx]

m2c swarm got nuked

[lone bloom]

Lol 15000

[severe lynx]

seems the damage was halved again

[lone bloom]

I expected 10000 ammo as joke

[lone bloom]

Well so much about the topic of cig not nerfing things that may be a valiable option compared to the new fresh sold one

Hows torpedo health looking?

Pdcs now again no chance anymore against them?

Especially since range is smaller too

[azure fulcrum]

wtf they nerfed laser pdc but ballistic got buffed?

[lone bloom]

All kinds of torps and missiles must have a 70 or 80% health reduction

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-roberts-chris-roberts-star-citizen-meme-gif-6200734850177995448

[grand sail]

looks the same to me

[lone bloom]

So pdcs now fully useless against what they are supposed to destroy

Great

[azure fulcrum]

except for ballistic ones

[lone bloom]

Remember the redeemer

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[lone bloom]

Yeah but those you have technically to dupe, and also have to have the mdc

Meaning : plenge more

[azure fulcrum]

3 less pips because lifesupport is mandatory

[lone bloom]

Mandatory by who

[severe lynx]

time to buy back the eclipse i guess

[azure fulcrum]

I hope I has enough store credit for MDC

[lone bloom]

Just wear space suit

[azure fulcrum]

limited o2 with a suit tho

[lone bloom]

Not yet?

[azure fulcrum]

should be

[lone bloom]

So far ik the o2 lasts multiple hours

[severe lynx]

wouldnt the suit oxy recharge when you turn it on for a while

[azure fulcrum]

IDK about hours

[severe lynx]

several minutes at best

[azure fulcrum]

yes thats true

[lone bloom]

Did they change that in 4.5?

[azure fulcrum]

5 minutes yes

[severe lynx]

nah i had to use an oxypen when doing the QV station derelict stuff

[lone bloom]

So they did

[severe lynx]

though in fairness it was like 30m

[severe lynx]

could probably do bursts of power for the life support then i guess

[azure fulcrum]

testing rn

[severe lynx]

just have to make sure everyone is helmeted

RPers in shambles

[lone bloom]

[lone bloom]

That would imply they would ever do serious fights

[azure fulcrum]

so far 02 is not going down

wtf

[lone bloom]

Also doesnt the atmo in your ship stay even with lifesupport offline?

Aslong you dont vent it

[azure fulcrum]

could very well be possible

[lone bloom]

You did not vent it right

[azure fulcrum]

nope

[lone bloom]

Well then its not mandatory to wear a helmet

Just dont be in a area that may need venting while fire

[azure fulcrum]

PDCs are not firing with 1 pip lol

OMG they nerfed PDC tracking

we're fujcked

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

cant hit fighters anymore

no dmg no tracking

@humble anvil PDCs cant kill fighters anymore

cant track

even when the mustang is standing still it doesn't do any dmg

sad to watch

the mustang is not even boosting

he's dead slow

they nerfed medusa turret speed

@lone bloom this is soulcrushing

liek damn

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

10 minutes in still haven't killed the mustang

out of range

[severe lynx]

is that the laser PDC

[azure fulcrum]

[azure fulcrum]

affirmative

[severe lynx]

yea on paper the stats seem crazy low already

[azure fulcrum]

mustang spinning out of control

we can't even kill him

out of range again xD

[lone bloom]

Mustang end boss

[azure fulcrum]

mantis altfire are completely useless

1000m range means you aint hitting shit

aint killing fighters

[minor field]

[midnight crypt]

I have 6 MDCs to dupe the ballistic off of them XD

[azure fulcrum]

Mustang 1 perseus 0

we lost

[severe lynx]

sledge III MD got buffed to 2.25km

might be worth running now

[azure fulcrum]

I would be much obliged cause god knows I'm going to need it

perseus completely useless now

[midnight crypt]

My idris is now full ballistic PDC and it will be the only useful thing since railgun is done for

[azure fulcrum]

right I guess you're right

ballistic cannons seem the meta now

very high velocity

[minor field]

This is all so crazy to me lol

[midnight crypt]

Only the mini rail guns. All the other ballistics got heavy nerfed

[azure fulcrum]

realgun still does 10k dmg fully charged I guess

this is so fucked

700m range and no longer hitting fighters

1000m range for the mantis altfire

[minor field]

I'm not sure what the point of crewing a cap ship would even be anymore.. It'll get outranged, pdcs can't hit or kill missiles/torps..

Or anything for that matter

[azure fulcrum]

and we all thought engineering would kill the light fighter meta lol

[midnight crypt]

How much damage does the handheld railgun do compared to the idris. I feel like the handheld one is probably worth it to have someone sit in the hangar shooting that than the big nerf dart for the idris now

[azure fulcrum]

I think engineering release is the queue to go on a 12 month hiatus

this game is officially dead by the looks of it

[minor field]

If they push this to live anytime soon they're smoking crack

[azure fulcrum]

singes wtf lol

[midnight crypt]

This is their last update before they go on break. Most likely gonna ruin the game just like last year with 4.0 and that hot mess but way worse

[severe lynx]

probably only a matter of time before the ballistic PDC goes wack

or maybe they'll buff the laser pdc back to viability

[azure fulcrum]

perseus just became hangar decoration lol

[severe lynx]

monkey paw curls, the missile pdc becomes the best in slot

[rancid copper]

Christmas update being shit is normal here

[azure fulcrum]

I gotta buy a MDC tomorrow I guess

my last hope for functioning perseus

[severe lynx]

i think combined arms will be the go-to comp for engagements

[minor field]

New meta about to be uninstalling the game

[severe lynx]

instead of just massing either fighters or large/caps

[minor field]

Thank god my polaris is giftable so I can GM it

[severe lynx]

maybe preparations for TSG?

[rancid copper]

clown

[azure fulcrum]

IDK what you mean lol

[rancid copper]

its dps is insane

[midnight crypt]

I wish I could say that for my idris but it takes up the entire hangar

[minor field]

Pers turret moves even slower now and has 0 fighter protection

It's rough

[midnight crypt]

So it’s just a name on the asop terminal

[azure fulcrum]

IDK what CIG be smoking but I want some

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[minor field]

They on that hallucinogenic shit

EW the BiS polaris looks even worse now on Vulkan

[severe lynx]

so larger ships will sorta have fighters as annoying flies

instead of dealing with them with PDCs or turrets, fellow fighters will be the most ideal counter

just as fighters wouldnt probably be able to do shit to larger ships unless they are amassed more than usual so the best counter to a large ship will be another large (or bombers that can be dealt with fighters)

[minor field]

CIG casually changing the meta for big ships to require an even more impossible amount of people

[severe lynx]

though i think that puts the hammerhead in quite an even more odd position

[lone bloom]

Tbf always been like that

Caps always needed fighters

[minor field]

What size guns does hh have?

[lone bloom]

4

[minor field]

Polaris interior is a fair bit different looking

Oooh a lot actually

[lone bloom]

Alot more worse

[minor field]

Nah seems more polished

idk what these are though

[azure fulcrum]

wdym the lighting or detailing?

[minor field]

both

New textures

[azure fulcrum]

err okay

you polish a turd it still a turd tho

[minor field]

They added so much

At least they're trying

cool vent steam

[azure fulcrum]

I guess so lol

ok so they nerfed mil shields a lot more than industrial ones

how does that make sense

[lone bloom]

They were already worse before that

[azure fulcrum]

yeah they actually buffed industrial by a LOT

downed delay is LOWER than military shields now

[lone bloom]

"They know what they are doing over there"

[azure fulcrum]

damaged delay too

[minor field]

i turned my ship on and my engine room is on fire

[azure fulcrum]

wtf

[minor field]

wwwait it stopped

Wtf is happening

[lone bloom]

Ngl for me it looks more and more like they literally roll a dice

[minor field]

Polaris hits fps even more than before, fun fact

[azure fulcrum]

they need to hook me up with their dealer

[lone bloom]

They cook their own stuff

Apparantly more successfull than with gaming

[azure fulcrum]

so thats where all the money is going

[minor field]

There is gonna be

A lot of backlash soon

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/heisenberg-yes-gif-861030724025788475

[azure fulcrum]

store credit is going to be dirt cheap

GM market is crashing

[minor field]

I see why having it evo only was so important

Nobody would've spent money knowing 4.5 was like this

[azure fulcrum]

thats why yogi got so angry when the FM changes leaked

IDK man this bad

[lone bloom]

Just sitting back

And drinking tea

[minor field]

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

poolaris

[lone bloom]

Looks like everything gonna be poo

[tawny fern]

Medusa ammo buffed and ballistic pdc buffs

WOW

[azure fulcrum]

hey my alpha wolf didn't get nerfed

at least I got 1 working ship

[lone bloom]

Just that everything else is now shit

[minor field]

Just wait until refund period is gone

MDC pdcs gonna get nerfed again

[azure fulcrum]

ooohhh

[lone bloom]

"Didnt got nerfed"

[azure fulcrum]

I'm so confused

so it went from 1>0.6

but then to 0.62 to 1

what

[lone bloom]

I think the Website is fully breaking apart with all those new values

[severe lynx]

seems they got rid of the M10A and M11A

but there are like 6 M9As now

[minor field]

Default polaris omniskys have less range than pdcs used to

[azure fulcrum]

https://www.spviewer.eu/items?item=Armor
https://www.spviewer.eu/ranking?rank=ArmorHealth

Haaaaaaaaaa

[lone bloom]

Ah yes

[azure fulcrum]

this just makes it seem worse

[lone bloom]

The non existing gap

[minor field]

Idk what to even do with my hangar atp

[azure fulcrum]

spectrum gonna be a shitshow I don't think the devs will respond

[lone bloom]

They rarely even Respond on normal topics

But i known what will happen aswell

Spectrum banwave and moved by moderator

[minor field]

It's gonna get removed from ptu and go back to evo only for more revision at this rate

Ppl already losing thier minds

[lone bloom]

I mean all those numbers look like

They put them in a box

Shaked it around

And called it a day

Saw barely numbers so far that make sense

[minor field]

I'm just going to leave my hangar untouched and see what happens

I don't wanna melt a polaris for $600 store credit

[lone bloom]

Moved by Moderator to graveyard

[azure fulcrum]

I think perseus is about 38% the size of polaris if you look at the dimensions

I should calculate this rn

[lone bloom]

Rustle apparantly just fully vaporized with those news

https://tenor.com/view/gif-emoji-dying-gif-12781121009589146106

[minor field]

Typing in chat ingame doesn't block hotkeys

Accidentally turned stuff off while typing and idk how to turn it back on

Currently falling out of the sky o7

[lone bloom]

Just press the same buttons

You used to text

[azure fulcrum]

I'm gonna calculate the 3d surface dimanions

[minor field]

Server error

I'm losing my mind

[azure fulcrum]

doing some high level math to prove my poijnt lol

[lone bloom]

Just for cig to ignore it for the 8th time

[azure fulcrum]

total waste of time and energy

[minor field]

Time to take a peek at how spectrum is doing

[lone bloom]

"Currently spectrum is not available"

Welcome back to 3.18 Gentlemen

[azure fulcrum]

Surface Area Polaris = 2×(166×82 + 166×46 + 82×46) = 50040 meters2

Surface Area Perseus = 2×(100×56 + 100×22 + 56×22) = 18064 meters2

Perseus is 36% the size of polaris

38.7% the mass of a polaris

[severe lynx]

im going to wait for a bunch of testers to thoroughly assess the updated stuff

[minor field]

Need someone to thoroughly test if Medusa damage is actually unchanged, that'd be genuinely insane

Even maris got a 90% nerf

[azure fulcrum]

@humble anvil https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/65300/thread/perseus-38-7-the-mass-of-polaris-only-10-3-of-the-

gonna add some more points

waste of time but I need to vent

[minor field]

Allegedly the damage of l22 and pers are going to change, they just haven't balanced them yet since they're new

[humble anvil]

Well

[minor field]

Perseus will ROLL people in ptu rn tho

[minor field]

How ya feeling with the crazy state of this game bud

[humble anvil]

I didn't look

[minor field]

Oh boy

You're in for a depressive episode

[lone bloom]

For your own sanity

Dont

[humble anvil]

I saw some glances at stuff

But what it look like from what I saw is

[minor field]

The PTU isn't real yet guys it can't hurt us

[humble anvil]

Start Citizen is a capital ship game

[minor field]

Unfortunately not

Caps are fucked

[humble anvil]

Oh ok

[minor field]

Well

Everything is fucked

[humble anvil]

Ight

Give me the Tldr plz

[azure fulcrum]

the terminal spectrum people gonna comment first of course

[minor field]

tldr everythin got rebalanced terribly and probably won't make it to live like this. Engineering and armor are cool though

[azure fulcrum]

its not way off the general shape is very similar

[minor field]

Weapon dmg and range changes will be the big issue

And laser pdcs are dead

Well all pdcs once they change the new stuff

[lone bloom]

I just dont understand why they even touched the pdcs, shields and damages

[minor field]

I understand touching the pdcs, but damage AND range nerfed? Like cmon pick one

700 meters to shoot down a torp is not gonna happen

[lone bloom]

But only for laser

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[minor field]

The MDC ones aren't changed yet cause they're new, like some of the stats on L22 and pers weapons

I think it'll be changing soon

[humble anvil]

And I saw Perseus has 74k Armor?

[minor field]

76k I think ye

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

So they did in fact

[humble anvil]

What's hammerhead

[lone bloom]

Shit on the feedback

[azure fulcrum]

did you see the spectrum thread I linked?

[lone bloom]

68k

[humble anvil]

[lone bloom]

They just didnt cared at all

About the feedback

[minor field]

I think we should all pretend 4.5 doesn't exist until it's live tbh

[minor field]

For our sanity

[azure fulcrum]

a picure says more than a thousand words

I'm sharing my pain onto you @humble anvil

https://tenor.com/view/antwane-tiana-tony-catfish-gif-409634166615236821

[tawny fern]

so is armor just basically another health pool

[lone bloom]

Love btw that the reclaimer has less armor

Than a caterpillar

[tawny fern]

like armor in eve

[minor field]

that reduces penetration damage until the armor is dead ye

I think

[lone bloom]

And no laser damage

[tawny fern]

so ballistics are just meta

[lone bloom]

Until armor dead

[tawny fern]

like why would you ever use lasers now

[minor field]

You wouldn't

[tawny fern]

when you can just get armor penetration for free

[minor field]

[tawny fern]

lmfao

[azure fulcrum]

I guess weapons are the only ones that have penetration stats?

[tawny fern]

god these devs are DUMB

[azure fulcrum]

I don't see armor penetration stats

[lone bloom]

I mean same was reversed pre 4.5

[tawny fern]

cmon fellas, lets go make our own star citizen

[minor field]

The PTU is a genuine abomination rn

[severe lynx]

cant imagine low weapon sizes being able to do decent component damage with armor mitigation

[tawny fern]

yeah like

imagine a hawk

[lone bloom]

Doubt thats part of armor t0

[azure fulcrum]

well armor has penetration stats but it doesn't seem like meaningful?

[severe lynx]

fighter swarms will have to shred all that armor while larger ships can just leverage their penetration or whatever to damage the comps directly

[lone bloom]

Pretty sure they said the penetration differences between weapon sizes was armor t1

And not t0

[minor field]

I think it's time for mr roberts to resign

[lone bloom]

That time was years ago lol

[severe lynx]

the whole thing reminds me of elite dangerous' subtargeting focus against engineered player ships

you couldnt take out the hull but you can make them blow up by destroying the power plant

[azure fulcrum]

ehhh what about 13 years ago

[lone bloom]

[tawny fern]

so kind of similar to naval ship combat

im guessing

[agile tinsel]

question, is that warbond staying until december 3, or december 5th...?

[azure fulcrum]

@humble anvil why you so quiet? are you ok man?

[humble anvil]

Well

[lone bloom]

Vaporized

[severe lynx]

but yea im not reacting much until it goes live

[azure fulcrum]

if its wave 1 not much is going to chance tbh

[severe lynx]

remember how a ton of people overacted with the doomposting about the perseus and it actually released in a decent state

[azure fulcrum]

we're only 2 weeks away from live

[minor field]

If they push it to live this year they have brain damage

But it'll happen anyways

[agile tinsel]

I'd hope not considering we went from "engineering in 4.0" to fucking 2 whole new systems before then

[lone bloom]

That doomposting mostly came from capital owners tho

[lone bloom]

Well

Remember 3.18

And 4.0

[agile tinsel]

I saw that the perseus was getting a slightly DPS nerf in the 4.5 leaks

but its armor seems to be substantial...?

[tawny fern]

3.18 was literal hell

HELL

[humble anvil]

Shields were also nerfed right

[agile tinsel]

75k in armor but shields cut to almost nothing (like a lot of ships supposedly)

[minor field]

Yup

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-wojak-doomer-depressed-meme-gif-26448205

[minor field]

All shields in the game nerfed by 60-75%

[humble anvil]

Why the fuck

[azure fulcrum]

yeah all across the board thats the only consistent one

[lone bloom]

There is barely anything that didnt got nerfed

[humble anvil]

Should I even participate in combat

[azure fulcrum]

industrial shields got buffed tho

[agile tinsel]

praying that perseus armor makes it very resistant to size 2 and 3 guns, you should need missiles and torps to take out large sub-caps

[azure fulcrum]

just turn off your shield gets you more pips for the rest

[agile tinsel]

shouldn't be able to just go around it and pepper it with 9mm's

[azure fulcrum]

the PDCs no longer track fighters they miss everything

and laser pdc only 700m range

[minor field]

Ballistic pdc range will prob end up being 1km after adjustment

(Still ass)

[humble anvil]

[minor field]

Like I understand nerfing pdcs for fighters but

How are we going to shoot anything down

[azure fulcrum]

not with the mantis altfires on perseus I tell you that much

[minor field]

Real

[azure fulcrum]

not enough range fighters too fast

fighters can kite you with the ballistic cannons

that have 3700 speed vs the medusa 800 speed lmao

[minor field]

I was prepared to move some value around in my hangar after seeing the PTU changes but I don't think I want to touch anything lol

[lone bloom]

I cant wait to see spectrum tomorrow

[minor field]

I'd imagine weapon damage is still being heavily balanced

[azure fulcrum]

better to do next IAE

thats about when they make the game semi-playable again

[minor field]

I can't wait for an official cig response

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-glass-chocolate-milk-drink-smile-gif-9111587831129925441

[azure fulcrum]

they're going to get so much hate lol

[lone bloom]

You wont get one

[humble anvil]

Dog shit game

[azure fulcrum]

just wait till people realize that 1 clown emoji is going to get blotted out by thousands of this tbh emojis

[lone tundra]

damn I really need to catch up on all these changes at some point; actually have no idea what is even happening anymore

[humble anvil]

2.5x less Mass, 10x less Armor

[lone bloom]

Just pretend ptu doesnt exist

[minor field]

Wait until live for your sanity pls

[humble anvil]

CIG is sped

[minor field]

😭

[humble anvil]

Genuinely

[azure fulcrum]

its gonna take a while to sink in I tried to make sense of it but...

its just very shocking lol

[lone bloom]

Ptu doesnt exist it cant hurt you

[minor field]

These changes hurt my soul more than walking in on my parents

[lone bloom]

With fursuit

[humble anvil]

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt but fucking res don't give casual players bladed Turrets to play the game solo , n fkn cater to whatever the fuck they're catering to

[minor field]

[humble anvil]

Because it looks like everyone is fucked except light fighters

FLY A GLADIUS WITH 9000 THRUSTER HEALTH

[lone bloom]

@azure fulcrum still having the its so over Diagramm?

[severe lynx]

arent light fighters going to spend an eternity trying to piss on components of large ships though

[humble anvil]

Fuck u that's why

[lone tundra]

...yeah I'm just going retreat back into my AI development stuff instead of trying to take in all of this XD

[azure fulcrum]

trust me pondering over this wont do you any good you will spiral into insanity like me

[azure fulcrum]

it's that 1 year hiatus time XD

[lone bloom]

You were insane already before

[humble anvil]

@azure fulcrum give me the link

[azure fulcrum]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/65300/thread/perseus-38-7-the-mass-of-polaris-only-10-3-of-the-

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[lone bloom]

Wonder when nightrider hates you soo much

That he just bans you

[lone tundra]

Eh, short trip for me to reach that point to be fair, but yeah - mostly just curious about what logic is actually happening with this

[azure fulcrum]

Logic? XD

[lone bloom]

There is no logic

Thats the fun part

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

[minor field]

CIG logic: Change numbers constantly and see what happens

[azure fulcrum]

throw shit against the wall and see what sticks - Disco Lando

[lone bloom]

Oh wait

There is a isc about engineering on thursday

[azure fulcrum]

the weapon ranges and pdcs not tracking fighters anymore while the torp health has remained unchanged

its just too much for me to handle lol

[minor field]

Canceled due to technical difficulties guys sorry

[lone tundra]

sounds like I made a good decision to sell off all my shit

[lone bloom]

GM imploded already before so, absolutely

[azure fulcrum]

if this were to go live there will be a mass sell off I think we can see the GM come down crashing very soon

sell is the right decision

[minor field]

I'll be buying all that store credit if there's a massive dip ngl

[lone bloom]

[lone tundra]

Eh, it's not that bad. A lot of the major players are still hanging around, atop hoards of old LTI standalones purchased with credit from eons ago and such

Still a lot of stuff people want, and it's mostly from emerging markets that SC is about to push into from what I've found

[azure fulcrum]

I'm holding my breath but there's only 20 days till CIG goes on holiday so yeah

don't think they're going to magically fix everything no matter how many overtime the devs are doing

[minor field]

1.0 ready

[lone bloom]

Tell that the bis paints and patch bundles

[lone tundra]

It was just a minor reset. Give it 6 months. Even then, Downburst didn't drop that much...

[lone bloom]

Just for them to sell it again next year

[lone bloom]

Cant be worse than black ops7

[severe lynx]

think i've gone through 3 or 4 major flight model and combat changes since 2.6.0 or whatever there was in early 2017

probably wont be the last any time soon

[lone tundra]

The only way to kill it would be messing with gifting options tbh....and that would come with many other issues

[severe lynx]

the vicious cycle repeats itself again i guess but we'll have to see if they go with this direction for live

[lone tundra]

• super hard to enforce account restrictions for this specific purpose. I have referral accounts holding items that I hand out for legitimate giveaways. I give out $200-300 every single month for the SC community.

Now imagine if they banned some of those accounts without refund.

[azure fulcrum]

@lone bloom @humble anvil

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

nvm the armor the turret and weapon changes is what killed perseus

[minor field]

Perseus turret actually feels like trying to turn the titanic now

[lone bloom]

I just pretend i didnt saw those ptu stats

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/no-lalala-i-cant-hear-you-gif-8013705

[humble anvil]

They made it slow didn't they

[azure fulcrum]

welp I destroyed my sleep schedule again it's 4:30 am thanks CIG

[azure fulcrum]

yeah thats exactly what they did can't track fighters anymore

and 700 range for PDCs lmao

1000m for mantis

[humble anvil]

I'm going to sell off and uninstall

Leaving discord soon

[minor field]

[lone bloom]

[humble anvil]

Dumb ass devs

[azure fulcrum]

I'm going to miss you

but I understand..

[humble anvil]

Idgaf anymore

[azure fulcrum]

me neither I don't care about the money I lose from my account

[humble anvil]

Imma simmer down but one more,

One more these motherfuckers

[azure fulcrum]

but its such a bitch that we don't get to have a fun game and project to follow

[humble anvil]

See how it goes into the PU

[azure fulcrum]

I knew it was going to be rough 4.5 but not this rough

[azure fulcrum]

yeah me too...

[humble anvil]

It's no longer a game for me

[azure fulcrum]

it's a clownshow

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1439728385927417866/3dgifmaker76463.gif

[humble anvil]

I'll go pound sand

[minor field]

cig actively pounding US

[azure fulcrum]

its been rough the last couple of months

[severe lynx]

might be worth to take the edge off the game for a while if you guys feel so strongly about this kind of stuff

[azure fulcrum]

I'm losing it

[humble anvil]

Why does perseus have 2700 bullets

For a total 22.9million DMG

Look at component health

2100

For s3

THEY'RE STILL TESTING ENGINEERING GUYS

A FUCKING LIGHT FIGHTER WILL POWER CLIP U WITH BALLISTICS

Hang on

[severe lynx]

shouldnt armor mitigate that

[humble anvil]

BUT DON'T WORRY

Polaris has 13000

It's a capital

[azure fulcrum]

multipliers are basically the same except for the component penetration multiplier

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-tired-boss-gif-15443003937623411884

I did had my little psychotic meltdown now time for sleep

I feel you bros

take care of yourselfs dont let it get to you

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-brother-let-it-go-spn-supernatural-move-on-gif-3563305

[tawny fern]

u guys are overreacting

once 4.5 releases

perseus will remain strong

[azure fulcrum]

not healthy

very toxic star citizen become for my mental health

break I need

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-disturbance-in-the-force-sad-sadge-sadness-gif-26043580

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

[tawny fern]

wait what

[azure fulcrum]

incoming dmg multiplier (lower multiplier means less incoming dmg) 🤡

perseus is less armored than hammerhead if you take account for the multiplier

I'm so done man

both perseus and hammerhead have the same component HP. the perseus takes 20% more damage to components

[minor field]

Polaris 0.8 lesgo

[azure fulcrum]

0.8 instead of 0.6x

guess who has the most armored components? Terrapin

[minor field]

LOL

So glad they armored it so much because of all the medical gameplay people do right now..

[azure fulcrum]

and arrow for some reason lol

terrapin has the same armor HP as connie lmao

literally same mistake they made with the regular dmg multipliers

and which one dev acknowledged was a XML mistake and was saying excel is complicated lol then said he was going to fix.. but was 3 months ago

[azure fulcrum]

but now its broken again lol

[clear bluff]

wdym

[high basin]

So perseus has good armor?

Or is armor in general just weird

[minor field]

Laser PDCs can't even shoot down s1 missiles now wtf

[desert gorge]

So PDCs are affected by the range change?

I mean from reading it all 4.5 seems to be an absolute unbalanced fuck fest as expected?

[minor field]

Yup, laser pdcs have 700m range and the ballistics haven't had their dmg or range adjusted yet

Everything is oddly balanced, very messy

[waxen parrot]

CIG does it again

[agile kayak]

whats the consensus on this armor stuff, is our boy tanky?

[tawny fern]

idk but

its the only ship of its size that gets -43% to armor physical dmg received

[desert gorge]

eh with luck thats 1 week grind depending on how to get reputation on wikelo

[midnight crypt]

Actually. Who needs the rail gun on the idris anyways. S12 torps gonna be over powered since PDCs got nerfed to the ground

[fluid plume]

and they pilot controlled and can fire all 4 with less of a spread

Truly idris is best torpedo boat

[desert gorge]

u do realise there is stuff called flares right ?

• a fighter can just shoot em down....

[high basin]

Seems like Idris railgum does similar alpha to the perseus medusa

Idk what they have done

[severe lynx]

they havent reduced the damage of the S8 yet

[desert gorge]

so Torrents are dogshit now to

[azure fulcrum]

how??? they have 15000 ammo and 2000 range?

but let me guess

[azure fulcrum]

they can't track fighters anymore?

[desert gorge]

17dps

and range will come after that

[azure fulcrum]

????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI4xMK4JLBY

[desert gorge]

it sound shit in my brain im giga confuised by 4.5 so far

help me elaborate

i mean honestly i have no clue im just more confused than everything else TTK seems WAAAAAAY to high on everything which is just sry to say ass

[azure fulcrum]

I'll help you: CIG is just doing something there's no rhyme or reason to it. Think of it like a monkey face rolling a keyboard.

[desert gorge]

ye im reading that shit on erkul RN how the FUCK does a Medusa CANNON have more HP than the perseus itself nearly

[azure fulcrum]

the famous XML guy probably gonna make another post again: "Excel is very complicated trololol I made a mistake"

put wrong value into wrong box

hurrr durrr

[desert gorge]

i swear to god they need to overthink their system right htere jessus that shit aint working

[azure fulcrum]

also we have hull HP divided for every little part of the ship

armor HP is just one value 🤡

[desert gorge]

its gonna be a fk fest

im calling it

[azure fulcrum]

maybe if the XML guy used SPviewer to check for errors

[lone bloom]

They will get nerf touched likely too

Just like Medusa canons

[azure fulcrum]

CIG should just hire Olakeen

[lone bloom]

What we wanted: warthunder like armor

What we got : clown Imperium

[azure fulcrum]

like camural said: Of course this wouldn't be CIG if there wouldn't be some errors

[lone bloom]

Some

SOME

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[azure fulcrum]

which absolutely whenever CIG gets made aware of them (if they just used SPviewer lmao)

they'll be corrected

[lone bloom]

They have correct the value of like

Every second ship

[azure fulcrum]

they literally use excel for these stats they should have a perfect overview of the stats right?

how can you overlook something like this lol

[lone bloom]

Maybe transfered aka copy pasted it wrong

But if that wouldve been the case they would have noticed it already in evo

And would not have went wave 1

[azure fulcrum]

also I don't understand why they just nullified the armor damage multipliers

oh right because we got penetration now

[lone bloom]

At least light fighters are ineffective against perseus

[azure fulcrum]

but the penetration multipliers are ONLY for fuses and components

[lone bloom]

But percy also ineffective against fighters

[azure fulcrum]

and they do not care about the ammo type

[azure fulcrum]

fighters just gonna circle strafe fights gonna take like 3 hours

[lone bloom]

But not even the s3 guns can track them?

Like, the remote turrets?

[severe lynx]

those work fine on live for me at least

[lone bloom]

We talk about ptu

[severe lynx]

definitely not for the S3s on the S8s

unless they nerfed the rotation speed for those which i highly doubt, it should be the same

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[severe lynx]

though at this point i'd rather have the gunner fire at ordnance than fighters

[severe lynx]

so far i've only heard of the S8's speed being nerfed so im not drawing that conclusion yet

[lone bloom]

They nerfed Overall everything almost

[azure fulcrum]

wtf

[severe lynx]

yea but i'd like to see specifics to get a better picture

turret rotation speed seems like a weird thing to nerf outside of the S8s

[lone bloom]

Just ask self aware

He was turret gunner

Apparantly

Also its more about the bullet velocity not the turret speed itsself

[azure fulcrum]

turret rotation yeah

bullet velocity remains the same for the medusa at least

[severe lynx]

hm i dont see velocity being a problem for the S3s given the general buff to those

[lone bloom]

But gets outranged by everything else

[severe lynx]

hell the ardors/attritions have 1820-1850 speed now

[lone bloom]

Still wondering when the range nerf comes for s1-s5

Since that one got leaked and was like the only good weapon change

[azure fulcrum]

but only 1099 range

[severe lynx]

my personal choice would be shredders for all-ballistics or omnisky IX for mixed builds

got a nice balance of bullet velocity and range

[lone bloom]

Also pdcs now nearly useless

Except the ballistic ones that didnt got nerfed yet

[severe lynx]

getting the right balance for PDCs vs ordnance seems to be a challenge

whenever i see some youtuber testing those, 100% of the time they have the ship just stationary

[lone bloom]

They were already weak against incoming torps and missiles in live

Now i dont See them doing anything

[severe lynx]

yea thats what i mean

there was never a middle ground

[lone bloom]

They were weak and now they nerfed them evem more

[severe lynx]

either PDCs absolutely shred all torps and missiles or they cant do shit

[lone bloom]

Pdcs are supposed to shred them

[azure fulcrum]

honestly why don't make them effective against ordnance only and disable targeting for ships

[lone bloom]

You remember the multiple stage takedown of larger ships??? Would make no sense if pdcs fail to destroy a Single salvo of torps

[azure fulcrum]

and make the remote turrets "bladed" by giving them PDC AI that only targets ships

🤡

is it really that difficult?

what the fuck are we doing CIG?

[lone bloom]

They said the "ai" isnt where they want it to be

Thats why we dont have blades

[azure fulcrum]

bullshit

[lone bloom]

Literally their answer to the blade topic

[azure fulcrum]

literally my answer to their answer: bullshit

[lone bloom]

[severe lynx]

shouldn't be a 100% "I win" due to PDCs, but only like an extra layer of protection after flares imo

[lone bloom]

It isnt a winn Button?

[severe lynx]

against bombers it used to render them useless

[lone bloom]

Its a Button so the torp ship cant do a "I win without doing anything"

[azure fulcrum]

of course if the PDCs get oversaturated with torps lets say it should only kill 3 torps and the 4th one should go through if no countermeasures are used

[lone bloom]

Larger ships are supposed to have multiple stages to be taken down

Pdcs being one of them

Take down pdcs with fighters and ballistics so torps can hit

[azure fulcrum]

or that works too

[lone bloom]

Thats literally what cig said they want it to be like

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

[lone bloom]

Yet the game moves more and more away from that idea

[azure fulcrum]

but instead of doing what they told us they made PDC useless

because???

XDDD

[lone bloom]

Because light fighter mafia

Which cant kill those ships neither either way

[lone bloom]

well at least Percy has now multi crew capacitators with 200+ bullets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmbbb4IFdgo

So... he shoots with a perseus on another perseus very front

and it somehow destroys it fully

without even hitting components

7 Medusa bullets at the front = perseus dead

[reef wind]

Can't wait for ricochet to be a thing. Shot hits the armor slants, ricochets off and insta kills an aurora. Peak gameplay

[lone bloom]

that would imply a actual physicalized armor

and not just a HP bar

[reef wind]

Wouldn't that be nice lol

[crystal sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-get-real-gif-21323382

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/warthudner-warthunder-skill-issue-skill-issue-warthunder-meme-warthunder-gif-1596876446494824002

[crystal sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-genuine-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-12065027643032988420

[severe lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1pcaq7s/perseus_rams_and_destroys_the_hammerhead_at_least/

[midnight crypt]

Close enough

[lone bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1442361031379914832/youtube-video-gif1.gif

[unreal sun]

I’ve got a question to the Perseus owners who were waiting years - how does the Perseus live up to what you were expecting? Are you satisfied with it? Was it worth the wait?

I got a javelin I’ve been waiting for years with and I’m wondering how it feels to finally get your dream ship finally in the PU

[severe lynx]

actually better than what i expected

[tawny fern]

It was worth the wait

[lone bloom]

Good luck crewing a Javelin tho

[tawny fern]

I now enjoy a lifetime of everlasting buffs

[severe lynx]

certainly didnt expect the smaller S3s on the turrets and the larger cargo hold

[unreal sun]

One of the lucky ones to have a good friend group, only reason we have it, or it’ll be melted back to an idris 😂

[lone bloom]

But 4.5 may just screw us all over either way

[severe lynx]

though i expected the ramp from the concept art to make it but eh at least it cant be stolen that easily from the ground

[midnight crypt]

Bengal next patch 😄

[unreal sun]

Anything that disappointed you all? Or is it all pure happiness at the moment

Gotta say the interior of the Percy really grew on me when it actually came out

[severe lynx]

it does what was advertised so i cant complain

[tawny fern]

Pure happiness

Any gremlins or downsides i trust croberts to fix swiftly

[severe lynx]

if i had a gripe, its more on the landing thing prioritizing docking collars over hangars

[unreal sun]

Weirdly I think one of my favourite features is either the captains bed playing whale noises or the balcony

[lone bloom]

Only things that annoy me are the non existing heavy armor

and the forced docking while it even fits in a M hangar

[unreal sun]

4.5 though right?

[lone bloom]

No

We already know the armor values and it stayed the same HP wise

bespite everyone saying the HP are too low for what it was advertised for

[unreal sun]

Yikes, I’ve found combat in it to be very tense especially with managing the shields

[lone bloom]

yeah don't worry about shields anymore xD

-70% HP nerf

for all shields

[lone bloom]

Still 1/10 from polaris, still just a few K better than Hammerhead, they didn't change shit about the survivability

[azure fulcrum]

This would mean you can take out the entire component room of perseus with an inferno

Medusa only has a 2m cone

[waxen parrot]

is it over

[azure fulcrum]

@lone bloom how gracious of CIG a starlancer max and nova tonk warbond

[azure fulcrum]

Yeah its over

[lone bloom]

ah cool

nothing of value

the fucking wrong starlancer

[waxen parrot]

wow

this is the first time i bought a big ship and ofc it gets gutted

[azure fulcrum]

certain bespoke weapons havent gotten their dmg nerfed yet

Medusa is one of them

[humble anvil]

Target saturation Ares Inferno gonna poop on ships

[azure fulcrum]

Sure. Meanwhile medusa S8 got the blast cone equal to a size 2 ballistic cannon

The s3 ones are like 4m lol

[tawny fern]

itll get fixed

[lone bloom]

Just like the armor?

[fluid plume]

so wait 70% shield nerf across the board?

[lone bloom]

yep

[tawny fern]

probably

[azure fulcrum]

Asgard is also funny. It's advertised as 'A heavily armored vehicle-dropship equipped for boundless resilience in the hottest combat zones' and has the same armor value as a Hull A and half the armor of an Argo Raft?

Also its size 3 weapons are useless now

So the two only large ships I own are completely useless now

[waxen parrot]

dont worry it will be fixed maybe in like 3 years

[humble anvil]

Perseus isn't going to deviate

That's what you're saying?

Sounds like now Perseus doesn't get lucky deviations

Or is that how big of a projectile the bullet has? I'm confused

@azure fulcrum @lone bloom

[tawny fern]

its the blast radius

after the shell penetrates, it has an explosion radius that spreads outwards like a cone

[humble anvil]

Oh

Medusa will be updated

[tawny fern]

yeah

[humble anvil]

Trying to think how to balance it likely

[tawny fern]

it should have a much larger explosion radius

[humble anvil]

Hm

Well hopefully Perseus is revised, idk much about values

The armor hopefully gets a big reduction since it's supposed to be heavy

It flies like a light Polaris, I don't understand why it's so weak in that department

Maybe it's just a linear scale right now

[azure fulcrum]

It already got its update the cone radius of 1 to 2m is brand new

Its not in 4.4

[azure fulcrum]

armor Reduction seems like its getting removed its 1 except for a few ships

Perseus will get its armor reduction removed as well

The medusa dps will be nerfed as well

Trust me you've seen nothing yet