Perseus Pals

[lone bloom]

you can even see it still has the shape that it slides from top to bottom

even on the sneakpeak

on the newer sneak peak it looks like its a slide from bottom to top

aka reversed

But could also be because of photoediting after they took the screenshot dunno

[foggy silo]

Nah they wont do that, dont they ?

[lone bloom]

They do

[raven jetty]

Honestly it's likely just the way that the shot was taken. From your same example, it still has roughly the same top-shape, and it doesn't appear to bow outward at the bottom, I'd wager we're still good on that front for the angling.

[lone bloom]

They do use fishlenses for such kind of sneakpeaks too, or rotate the entire photo etc

[foggy silo]

oh okay

didnt know that

[lone bloom]

the one for the Prowler Utility was for example rotated

i think the one for paladin too

[lone bloom]

well we're good if it aint the perseus because so far only 2 people were positive in terms of that bridge, while all others hate it

[foggy silo]

for me it's mid

i rly want the centered pilot seat

[lone bloom]

its "Okay" compared to most other bridges - but they went instead of the sold original concept

with a copy paste of the polaris

which most people also don't like

[foggy silo]

yeah i dont want a copy past

[lone bloom]

but thats what they did

[foggy silo]

especialy a polaris copy

[lone bloom]

aslong it is the perseus

[foggy silo]

let me look one more sec

[lone bloom]

Same chairs, same walls, same control panels for the gunners

[raven jetty]

I mean, it roughly looks like it says Perseus on the back door, even though its blurred.

I get the worry, I get the want for the centered chair. I just don't think we're quite doomed in that regard yet - until they show that there isn't a track in the centerline and we get it in our hands or other proof stating otherwise, I just don't want to panick on it yet.

[coarse cloud]

ill wager both balls on this not being the perseus

@humble anvil style

[foggy silo]

for me it's the perseus guys :/

very mid design

of the copit

[raven jetty]

I unno, would've went with the lubed remote rather than sacrificing the next generation.

[lone bloom]

isn't the text a bit too long to be "Perseus"?

[raven jetty]

The top text there, I'm thinking it says Perseus if I squint real hard.

If I squint harder, I can imagine it to say Hermes.

Could also just be 'Bridge' Either way, I'm still squinting at the image for any final details until we get it in our hands.

[humble anvil]

Fuck off CIG

Already given u money

Stop teasing me

[quaint scaffold]

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/naughty-naughty-naughty-borat-gif-18882574

[fallow wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/memeteam-gif-18419381542176929321

https://tenor.com/view/freemium-gif-25588278

[lone bloom]

Microtransaction looks at 3500€ Idris

[azure fulcrum]

I guess where people really draw the line is the 20$ blade kits that were sold lmfao

3500,- idris is fine tho

[humble anvil]

pathetic

[lone bloom]

guess its the part of "yeah by buying ships you do support the development" and buying simple stuff as that its just greedy

(well wonder why they accept armor sets then tho)

[azure fulcrum]

we can buy every type of equipment, armor set, small arms on teh pledge store but for some reason ship equipment is not allowed lol

[humble anvil]

i geuss because there was no way to obtain it in game, and it was a stat change right

so do it once, do it again. straight up buying power then

conversion kits

thats all pledge store

no one bitches about those

think its flavor of the month lol

[lone bloom]

i mean you cant obtain a idris either

and its in PvE and some pvp cases a pay to winn button

[azure fulcrum]

yeah but they immediately told us it was going to be purchasable ingame and the stat change was negligible just a 2 points and you lose more points in agility then with the standard blade

compare it to the full auto 50 BMG LMG we got in the citizencon pack lol

that's a pretty big stat change and advantage over other players isn't it

[lone bloom]

Railgun

Grenade launcher...

[azure fulcrum]

XDD

[lone bloom]

nobody cried there

[humble anvil]

Just like nobody is going to cry about the beam kit right

Or the Aries beam

I'm sorry dude but the Ares Beam would be so cool

[proper ledge]

Soon™

First thing I'm doing with my perseus? Ramming an Idris like in the commericial

[humble anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-damage-gif-21579882

[azure fulcrum]

have we hit rock bottom yet?

xD

[humble anvil]

2.5km away

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-gif-24496205

[proper ledge]

[humble anvil]

Where's Bikini Bottom

if we're hitting Rock Bottom

[tawny fern]

if you cant see her past her flaws, do you really love her

[lone bloom]

Is the Perseus at Rock Bottom?

[humble anvil]

no

[coarse cloud]

yes

[humble anvil]

its going to have QUAD s7 Idris gun alpha

trust

because Dual Barrel

Sold the Perseus paint back, not for as much as i wanted but there was a Perseus believer

so i let em have it ;p

paid 45? for it, sold it back for 65, no big deal ;p

[lone bloom]

thought you were going for 85

[coarse cloud]

Coping harder than me

[humble anvil]

my generosity kinda cucked me but its whatever

not mad about it

[coarse cloud]

I’ll just take the 2x s9 and the 2x AD4B on alr fire

give us 20x s7 torps

and idris sized PDCs

[lone bloom]

Ngl if the percy grew, i don't see why they would not give S6 torps

instead of S5

[coarse cloud]

As much as I pray it isn’t correct

[lone bloom]

aslong they stay too fast to get targeted by PDc's its a winn winn

[coarse cloud]

But If the sneak peak

Is the Perseus

then that basically confirms that it has grown

[humble anvil]

I really hope they do what i think they will do

which is put hammerhead and perseus into their own group of subcap under capitals

since they're military focused

give them exorbitant amount of hull / shield ; i.e. 750k / 1mil hull respectively

because 300k is not enough

especially when you have ships with more firepower and half the size at 150k

[coarse cloud]

yh

Perseus should be getting 1.25m hull hp

And hammerhead 800k

both having mabye 500k shields

[humble anvil]

if they want multicrew to matter for those ships, they need to be tankier

[coarse cloud]

Exactly

[lone bloom]

bet with you if CIG decides to give it 1 mil hull hp they will argue with that that it will be slower than poolaris xd

[humble anvil]

"it's a flying brick with guns"

"are you sure youre talking about RSI?"

[humble anvil]

I swear if they say nimble for its size

I'm going to fold like a pancake

Look out they like to give interceptor tuning to RSI ships

[lone bloom]

it will have a whole 20K vulnerable part HP

[humble anvil]

So I thought about something

CIG's model of Monetization

The only way they can move forward is powercreep or offering new gameplay. A ship of every size

When sq42 is done and all those devs come to the PU

Is that what they're going to do? Continue selling varients of ships, ships that are a little better than the previous

Monthly updates with new Armor weapons, some reskins

Paints

Balancing department can't keep up lol

Nerf the deemer for the paladin

Nerf the paladin for the X

Nerf the Perseus for the X

[azure fulcrum]

thats what they're already doing and will continue to do lol zero new features just regurgitating the same copy pasta low effort crap just with slight variations

reskin of worm, reskin of cutlass black but more powerful now etc

new weapons that they sell for real money that are ridiculously overpowered

same shit different patch

what did we get in terms of features in 4.3? a new ladder animation no one ever uses, medgels. that's it

somehow these few changes accumulated massive tech debt making the new patch unplayable? adding a worm reskin just broke everything I guess that explains it

[tawny fern]

well that was easy

[steel sparrow]

would have been easier if we had the Perseus :/

[tawny fern]

YES

[lone bloom]

looks at perseus bridge

[lone bloom]

Tbf they said there will be very few Features this years and more content driven stuff (events)

[raven jetty]

Damn, haven't been able to get a single mission to work so far. Glad to know it doesn't take too much time, though.

[lone bloom]

Waiting for the mission to Pop back up takes more time than actually doing said mission

[raven jetty]

Yeah, but the issue is going and trying to get it done. For the ones I've done so far, not a single one has appropriately spawned the mission objective, which has been a massive bummer.

Hoping we get a small hotfix soon to make that a bit more reliable.

[humble anvil]

They'll just delete bunker missions

To get those missions to work

😭

[azure fulcrum]

Lets hope 2026 will be feature packed

[lone bloom]

Base building soontm

[azure fulcrum]

Very very soon ™

[azure fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/RxtVtShGUAg?si=Q-LKa4Y0gGfATNEj

All of them are coming very very soon but I guess they couldn't show us anything of it on shitcon

[azure fulcrum]

Chris: of course were not going to spoil anything. Like base building trade tools social tools these alongside bringing the final polish features for sq42 will make the next year the most exciting for star citizen

I trust Chris next year will be better

[lone bloom]

I mean saw people ingame also saying very soon to kraken aka 2 years... considering it is "soon" compared to the 13 years development time

[humble anvil]

"foxxwell missions are bugged"

"spawns too many ships"

IF ONLY WE HAD THE PERSEUS TO DEAL WITH SUCH SHIPS

[lone bloom]

Especially since the bugged mission is only the escort one, all others were working fine

[fallow wharf]

It just entered whitebox

[lone bloom]

What has that to do with the "soon" topic? It will still take 2 years and people lable it as "soon" xd

[fallow wharf]

I think we can expect it end of next year

As the soonest

[lone bloom]

That was not the topic

Its about something 2+ years away being labeled as "soon"

And CIg uses the same tactics as labeling something as soon knowing its years away

Making it surely not soon

[midnight crypt]

Full crew kraken including loaded with fighters vs full crew Perseus. I’m sure you know how that will turn out 😄

[humble anvil]

No doubt big but Kraken isnt supposed to be in the thick of battle. so interesting to see where they will put it

in terms of defense, if it could survive an attack from a perseus

[midnight crypt]

Kraken is a civilian ship, according to CIG

[humble anvil]

Perseus is a upgraded Civilian varient of the Military Version from 2800,

so idk

who the fuck gives civilians massive gunships

[midnight crypt]

[humble anvil]

UEE apparnetly

[lone bloom]

And now do Perseus vs fully crewed Kraken without fighters

I mean same play with Idris, supposed to carry fighters for escort, yet nobody does it lmao

[midnight crypt]

The dual S8 I hope gets up gunned to S9

[lone bloom]

likely

but kraken will be significantly less manuavable

than perseus, likely even less than idris

[azure fulcrum]

Kraken is a cheaply made civilian ship ye lol

[lone bloom]

The Military / Civilian Version of Perseus still confuses me

[azure fulcrum]

Greys market is the real go to for piracy ships now

[lone bloom]

The Old original one is the military version - the one we will get is a Civilian version

But upgraded from the military version with newer tech

so it is technically a upgraded military version

but as civilian

[azure fulcrum]

Its not exactly civilian its for the militia

[lone bloom]

"We" are the milita

xD

[azure fulcrum]

Space civilian is set to release 2055

https://starcitizen.tools/Militia_Mobilization_Initiative

So thats what sets it apart from other civilian ships, it just gets a little more oompf and it is military adjecent it gets the pdcs

Civilian military xS

[lone bloom]

So its not a civilian ship

Its a lower graded military ship

And other "higher" graded military ships like Polaris or Idris got 'reduced' in firepower

to be sold for milita

[azure fulcrum]

I googled and the definition of a militia is considered military or paramilitary ye

In this case they are military because they are working together with the UEE.

[reef wind]

UEE decided one day that security contractors need more gun. Merc need more gun. Vanduul need less gun. Bird people need no gun. Everyone happy.

[midnight crypt]

I feel like kraken would either move the same or even faster than idris since it’s not armored

[lone bloom]

well, its larger

and not just a bit

[midnight crypt]

Idris is 242m while kraken is 270m only a 28m difference

[lone bloom]

its also higher...

[midnight crypt]

And kraken has a ton of engines on the back

[midnight crypt]

Also very skinny. Flight decks make it look fat

[lone bloom]

it may have only better forward speed

But everything else may be worse^^

aka agility etc

[midnight crypt]

I’d accept that if it gets PDCs. Since it’s not considered a military ship it might not get PDCs

But if it doesn’t get PDCs it better move better than a Polaris

[lone bloom]

well i would guess the privateer gets pdc

[lone bloom]

it won't and you know it

it will have likely same armor as Polaris, just more "HP"

Especially since it would look goofy if a ship being 110 meters longer being more agile than a ship 110 meter less large

same applies to Perseus - Polaris btw

would be weird if a ship 60 meters smaller being less agile/slower

[raven jetty]

Maybe perhaps we give bird people a little gun. Just one.

Imagine the Tevarrin making an addition or mod of the Perseus. They just add feathers to the winglets and nacelles, and sink the Bridge down into the ship with holo-display panels to see outside of the ship.

[uneven thistle]

A: who is this guy?
B: I need these original greenscreen versions of it

DM's are open

[humble anvil]

Markiplier

[lone bloom]

That took you a whole hour?

[uneven thistle]

No, just a couple seconds

I was just doing other things

Like cuddling with my cat

[uneven thistle]

Your video cuts out a second or two too early

That annoyed me so I made mine

[uneven thistle]

[humble anvil]

":D"

[uneven thistle]

The single greatest character in the verse

I miss him

[humble anvil]

We all miss Jax

IAE wasnt for the ships

it was for Jax

[uneven thistle]

Yeah

Let's hope he returns

[midnight crypt]

Return to break the news that the guns are still gonna be S7 and no PDCs

But they will bump up the SCU from 50 to 52

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-spacemarine2-heresy-heretic-gif-15781539930698202487

Ah yes the Event mission is so fun, flying back and forth ... well at least its not cargo loading ontop of that

Do the missions have a cooldown?

[humble anvil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[raven jetty]

Hmm, I know that the Perseus has been 'shown' firing quickly in a couple of sneak peaks and other vids - but what if those fuck-off S8's are slow firing power houses?

Imagine firing the top turret straight to port and the ship rolls right.

In any form, I need it.

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-gif-26936399

If they decide to make it very slow firing, they should add that on the DPS tho

Like - if it has half the RPM of the Idris Cannons they should double the DPS to make it balanced (+ obvious the S8 damage)

[raven jetty]

Absolutely agreed. The alpha per shot would be incredible.

[lone bloom]

Like if its 20K (per turret) with same RPM of the Idris, and they decide to half it, it should be 40K alpha instead

Maybe even more, since you won't hit as often

[humble anvil]

RPM and Size are same on dps scale

IF RPM is halved. from 100 to 50

i cant remember if its 100% or 50% more

in alpha

imma look

[tawny fern]

on one hand, fast firing dakka dakka is shown in all the concept art, and that kind of gun is what i envision when we're talking about traditional naval combat for a gunship. on the other, battleship style BAGOOSH guns would be so sick

the perseus still looks strange to me, almost uncanny, with the size of the turret in relation to the rest of the ship

its like how weird this looks

[raven jetty]

... Kinda dig it, to be honest.

[lone bloom]

tbf its also just a small cannonboat compared to the actual huge "naval" ships

Looks like the S12s or larger (Bengal main turrets) are supposed to do the battleship style "Bagosh"

[azure fulcrum]

20 more hours till weekly report (21:00 UTC)

[humble anvil]

Huh

Oh yea

Monday

[fallow wharf]

Do you think we will hear anything?

[azure fulcrum]

no but we might get a sneakpeek at percius

and not this shitty conny rework or whatever it is which we got last week

[round zodiac]

is what 'we got last week' the bridge shot?

[crystal sleet]

The last sneekpeek we got, yes. Im hoping its the turret front view or the inside where the ammo feed is

[round zodiac]

not convinced its a connie bridge?

[crystal sleet]

Honestly it could be, but there hasnt been a single peep about a connie rework, only about the perseus and the supposed hermes

[round zodiac]

I'm convinced it's Perseus

Long roll pilot seat with less side desks

Connie has the doublevator. Manned turret rail

[midnight crypt]

I thought for CIG that they aren’t working on any reworks since the ships can be used normally and they don’t have any fatal flaw. Keep seeing a ton of people talking about reworks when CIG hasn’t said or done anything yet

[crystal sleet]

The only "fatal flaw" of the connie are lack of physicallised components i think

[midnight crypt]

Majority of ships don’t have physical comps

[crystal sleet]

Exactly, so little to no chance the connies get reworked just for that right now

[midnight crypt]

You’d think new ships will have physical comps but Perseus will most likely not have them

[tawny fern]

would they even rework when they could just sell it as a variant

or like a 2.0

[crystal sleet]

I dont think any large ship has physicalised comps, only medium and unders

[midnight crypt]

Yeah but it could take someone 2 maybe 3 days to make all comps physical and then having a rectangular cube hole cut into a ship. Every comp is the same shape with slightly different designs and colors. Just make them different sizes. They have up scaling with weapons. They could do the exact same thing with comps

[fallow wharf]

What Conny rework

[round zodiac]

Connie is one of the oldest ships in the game, has some glaring flaws and missing features. its also one of hte most owned ships in the game. a rework in inevitible, but i suspect itll wait until everything else is in the game first.

[fallow wharf]

Here was that sneak peek

Must have missed it

[round zodiac]

some people here arent happy with what that bridge pic looks like and are refusing to accept it as a Perseus bridge

[fallow wharf]

Ah

But it is Perseus

[round zodiac]

no other RSI ship makes sense to show

we're just a few weeks away form it being added

[fallow wharf]

That exterior looks like Perseus

Same form factor of the glass and outside the bridge

[round zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1428873625607344179/click.png?ex=68f6b8c3&is=68f56743&hm=52d73e3d012381337a78dd13516f393d622353332e787cdb0ffbb5eace496bf1&
yea, im convinced it is

has the low cross beam

[fallow wharf]

I’m honestly just accepting it and will wait for a full leak / preview before I let out my anger or joy

[round zodiac]

the low cross beam we see in the whitebox

[fallow wharf]

Exactly

[round zodiac]

seems to imply the pilot seat rolls forward quite a ways now, and the side seat desks are much smaller

[fallow wharf]

I hope 600i gets reworked too

[lone bloom]

Just gonna start its rework then BMM releases (aka never)

[humble anvil]

CIG needs money

Not to fulfill old promises

So if Percy just comes out half baked it's over

I don't even think the wolf has physical components yet

However correct me if I'm wrong

[coarse galleon]

The components are there, but I don't think it's costing them that much to make 3 animations.

[humble anvil]

Oh the components are there the doors just don't open?

[coarse galleon]

Clipping the textures I have managed to see the radar and the fuses, and I think the quantum too.

[humble anvil]

Yeahp

Fucking aaaa

[coarse galleon]

I think the coolers aren't physicalized yet, but, as I'm saying, is not right that it takes them 3 patches to put animations of 3-4 components

The shiv too, the components are there, but they were too lazy to make an animation

[fallow wharf]

So we not gonna talk about certain capital explorer ship that has had its I think 15th birthday recently after they sold it as an jpeg

[lone bloom]

Endnever

[fallow wharf]

[lone bloom]

If that thing ever comes out

It will see the biggest rework of All in sc

[fallow wharf]

They will release it as some sort of misc ship and then you can purchase the small ball oases as $350 each in additional expansion modules

[lone bloom]

Oh right they did not sold the modules yet no?

[fallow wharf]

No they haven’t

[lone bloom]

Well there it is guys

The ship for when cig needs money

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

And worst case they just sell Perseus upgrade kits like on the Idris

[fallow wharf]

That’s best case not worst case

I would pay double for that

Period

As size 8 railgun

Or size 10 railgun

[steel sparrow]

I feel like making the nose of the Perseus split (like the javelin) and make it into a giant rail canon would look better:/

[lone bloom]

Or just make the torpedo tubes 2 S7 Railguns inbuild into the hull

[grave canyon]

hell nah

the arrowhead shape is why its so sexy

[humble anvil]

Lore wise who is newer

Idris or Perseus

Idris right?

[crystal sleet]

idris is newer if were talking about the first idris and first perseus, the modern Perseus is newer

[humble anvil]

Lore wise

[crystal sleet]

lore wise, Idris is newer

[humble anvil]

A

[lone bloom]

Perseus MK1 older than Idris - Idris older than Perseus MK2

[humble anvil]

Hail Railgun Perseus

[raven jetty]

Railgunseus, the dream.

[spiral blaze]

Noo Hearsay!!

[sage python]

that has been a rumor for so long that I am far fro surprised

and that sneak peek is 100% percy

120m )))))

[lone bloom]

Don't say that

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-gif-11129110201495930569

[raven jetty]

Big boot.

Well, wider Bridge for sure, judging by the pics. Doesn't really mean too much for the length/height

[sage python]

i think they mainly beefed up the bridge/crew compartment to meet modern standards

compared to current ships the old percy concepts look kinda glass cannon y

[lone bloom]

crew compartments? the ones in the concept were already huge

compared to all other RSI ships

[round zodiac]

chonkeus

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-hippo-mottomotto-gif-2800813249166631130

[raven jetty]

I dont think the ship's width as a whole has grown too much, if they needed more space based on concept there's room over the cargo bay to take.

[round zodiac]

it is seeming less angular and sharp, though

[raven jetty]

I think that's due to the screen they gave us, they definitely haven't shown the prow of the ship yet nor it's sides around the docking collar. Its hard to judge based on that however the structure, center beam and bridge are all still closely in line with the concept save for the additional width of the rear bridge deck and airlock placement.

Honestly they're absolutely teasing the shit out of Perseus owners with their camera angles and previews.

[round zodiac]

better than ultra closeups they did for previous releases

more to chew on

[raven jetty]

Agreed.

On break at work atm but if you look at the outter hull shot of the Percy with its currently available model in the viewer, it still lines up really well from the same angling.

Its still going to be sleek as fuck.

[round zodiac]

ye. and i like to remind us that that monthly report was from July, preLOD0 and Final Art

higher texture resolution, better depth mapping etc are all expected

[raven jetty]

Yeah, I'm eager. 30 days. Fuuuuck, it's going to be nice.

[round zodiac]

yee. i applied my upgrades just before citcon to finally formally own it

[raven jetty]

My crew is chomping at the bit for it more than I am. Buddy didn't know about the upgrade from it's S7's until last week, he's absolutely impatient to get on those guns.

[round zodiac]

yea, ill be recruiting some of my old pledgers who are out of hte loop rn to take it out proper

[raven jetty]

My guys and I have always had the enjoyment of the part of the ship, part of the crew mentality.

I have 4ish consistent friends on the game, and two more that are waiting for this ship specifically.

Depending on how often they're all on after November, and how well the game works, we're planning for some piracy shenanigans and more.

[round zodiac]

yea, issue for me is i havent grinded up the bounty rep. so we'll be hunting Mustangs in VLRTs XD

[raven jetty]

Oh I've got Foxwell up but stuck in VHRTs currently.

The mass murder on those poor Mustangs, though!

[azure fulcrum]

no coomlink today wtf

[round zodiac]

each cannon shell gonna cost more than the payout 😄

[raven jetty]

Lmfao

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-its-not-fair-unfair-anakin-gif-16742272

[azure fulcrum]

foxwell red missions aren't even showing anyways

[raven jetty]

Yeah they're fucked right now.

[azure fulcrum]

amazing how 1 patch with a worm reskin and a few new ships causes everything to break down lol

[raven jetty]

I want to take the Percy into the escort missions. Gimme them waves.

I know they're working backend but this shits unbearable.

[round zodiac]

i miss the old distress beacon missions. little Connie NPC being attacke by waves

[azure fulcrum]

I'm broke ingame because nothing is working only got 8 mil AUEC left

[raven jetty]

Yeah im at 6.7, was going to buy an Andromeda as a holdover for the month but they've broken the missions and the trading terminals.

[azure fulcrum]

I wonder who greenlit this patch and what was going trough his mind at the time

[round zodiac]

back to freight missiosn with ye

[raven jetty]

Might just grab a Mantis and run cargo inspections for the shit of it. Not to murder, just to break the monotony.

And med beacons got broke as well, again.

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-outrageous-gif-18393476362145033923

[lone bloom]

"ultra closeup" - i mean - the random elevator shaft was close to that

[round zodiac]

yea, certainly was

sometimes the sneak peak is just 1x1meter of wing panel that says NOSTEP

[lone bloom]

I mean we knew its the percy instantly because its the only ship with a enclosed ladder inside of the shaft

besides the HH

but still

[round zodiac]

and its similarities to Polaris

[lone bloom]

And likely has a fishlense and is rotated ontop of that xD

[raven jetty]

Yeah, but even still we know this community would dig deep into a nostep pic.

[round zodiac]

yea, photomode nonsense

absoultely. we'd compare the texturing, and colours to other ships and stuff we know is in development

[raven jetty]

We want our Navy Blue, god dammit. Give it, CIG. Give us NOSTEP Navy Blue.

[lone bloom]

Shit grey - take it or leave it (CIG - likely)

[round zodiac]

gunmetal grey ship skin called MIDNIGHT

nothing ever proper black

[raven jetty]

[lone bloom]

Bet with you

we get the navy blue paint as IAE insstant release paint offer

for 13 bucks

ofc better than not having it - but that would be scummish af

[raven jetty]

Imagine that IAE skin with gold trim. Hell. I'd give that a whole $5.

[round zodiac]

itll tide us over until BIS skin next year

[raven jetty]

Yeah, the purple people eater perseus

[lone bloom]

when purple paint

[round zodiac]

i think they felt some of our dismay when 2023 and 2024 were both blurple

and pinkple

[raven jetty]

If it's another full purple skin, im naming my ship The Dilderseus..

[round zodiac]

Penetrator

[raven jetty]

What's the calibre of the S8's?

Anyone know?

Depending on size just call it the XX Milimeter Defeator.

[round zodiac]

Bad Dragoon

Baddleship

[raven jetty]

If it has widened up, it's definitely gonna have a fat ass. Just call it the Cake Shop.

[round zodiac]

certainly gonna have some rear thrust

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[midnight crypt]

Perseus should be painted like cat

[round zodiac]

meow

[raven jetty]

Actually, gimme that Perseus with the Black Magic skin and greater copper accents.

[nocturne raft]

i really want to know what cig will consider "long" range for the medusas

[raven jetty]

Gimme 20km shells.

[lone tundra]

4999m, max, probably 4499 realistically

(at 750m/s, probably)

[nocturne raft]

thats such an arbitrary number

[lone tundra]

For now yeah

[nocturne raft]

4499m lol

[nocturne raft]

ah right, we dont have the s8 stats yet

[round zodiac]

we will never be s8ed

[nocturne raft]

thats heresy in this channel

[round zodiac]

ins8tiable

[lone tundra]

S5 are ~3000-3310m
S6 are ~3600
S7 - 3999
S8 - 4500

[nocturne raft]

oh i see what u were going for

[round zodiac]

yes. we are getting S8s. and they will be S8ed

and be sent to S8an

[nocturne raft]

using current metrics, but the datamined description specifically states excelling at long range. so they could be bespoke designed to be longer range than a standard s8

[lone tundra]

that is long range

[nocturne raft]

which im coping on

[lone tundra]

4500 is considerable

[nocturne raft]

long range is like 7km+

[lone tundra]

what other ships are shooting at 4500?

ignore the railgun and torps

[round zodiac]

Perseus just popping bunker turrets from 2x their range

orbital bombardment from LEO

[nocturne raft]

i have no idea, but standard range increase doesnt say bespoke excelling at range to me

[lone tundra]

The Conquerors are bespoke, compare to those

[nocturne raft]

doesnt any other ship have s8s or 9s? i know the jav has 10s

[lone tundra]

Bengal turrets, listed in the chart I just posted

which are S8, 4500

[lone tundra]

It'll also take 6 full seconds to even reach that distance, keep in mind

[nocturne raft]

i know, i expect it to be powerful but slow

[round zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-earth-shattering-marvin-marvin-the-martian-looney-tunes-gif-17701259

[nocturne raft]

it also has an s5 at 4000

[lone tundra]

It's a tank cannon.

[nocturne raft]

id actually expect the bengal ones to have longer range in the final version. considering the idris s10 has 10km range, s8s should be around 7km really

[lone bloom]

just that those ranges are totally useless with a low velocity, unless the target is stationary, even if its a capital you won't hit on that range likely

[lone tundra]

The S8s being referenced are just the Bengals small ballistic defense cannons, not main turrets.

S8 is small, on the Bengal.

[nocturne raft]

yeh arent the bengals main guns s12

[lone bloom]

Yes

[lone tundra]

yes, a quad s12

[nocturne raft]

thats gonna be so disgusting

[lone bloom]

Even more disgusting if you know that the battleship (escort?) variant has 4 of them

[nocturne raft]

but either way, we'll likely see in a week or 2. if 4.4 is going onto the roadmap then ptu cant be that far off and we`ll see soon enough

but 4.5km seems awfully short for an s8 designed for long range imo

[lone tundra]

That's an insane range for a turret

[lone bloom]

Doesn't matter, it can have 10km range, if the velocity is shit, you aint gonna hit your target there either way - unless stationary

[lone tundra]

in this game, at least

[nocturne raft]

which is should be if its designed to be long range
cos keep in mind, its gonna have slow as hell turn rates so it wont be shooting up close

[azure fulcrum]

😭

[lone tundra]

It'll probably be close to the Conquerors which are fine

[nocturne raft]

artillery snipers from eve come to mind

[lone bloom]

Also lets not forget- that the Percy will outplay capitals by being more agile... not by having better range....

[nocturne raft]

not at 120+km range ofc, but the idea of slow turning powerful long range cannons

[lone bloom]

Top 5 ways to die in a percy xD

[nocturne raft]

not like it could outrange the idris anyways

polaris maybe. idris or bigger no shot

[lone bloom]

Thats what im saying, you do not WANT to longrange fight them

because thats were the percy would lose

[nocturne raft]

which is a matter of tactics my dear watson

[humble anvil]

Perseus

[round zodiac]

wooo

[azure fulcrum]

just look at the range of C-788 which is a size 4 and has 6525m range

[nocturne raft]

which ship has the c-788?

[lone bloom]

Likely not even the Polaris, if it has a firebird that can overwhelm the pdcs you likely get torped

[azure fulcrum]

I 100% believe medusa will have 6k-10k range

[nocturne raft]

whats the lockon range for the polaris torps?

[lone bloom]

i think 30+ km?

if not even 50

[nocturne raft]

my guess has been 7-7.5

yeh so u wont be outranging the torps at least

and who knows if the pdcs on the perseus will be able to even take down s9 torps

[lone bloom]

Yeah and the firebird just needs to get bit closer to shoot a shit ton of missiles to overwhelm pdcs

[azure fulcrum]

yeah it makes sense it excells in long range combat so the bespoke guns will break the conventional weapon size ranges

[lone bloom]

They can, 2 pdcs can down a S10 torp in time

But not if they get distracted by smaller missiles ontop of that

[nocturne raft]

40km, so yeh u aint outranging the polaris

[lone tundra]

you can easily hit a S10 or above with a S7, S8, or Idris main gun, though

let alone anything smaller

[lone bloom]

obviously xD

[nocturne raft]

yeh so a polaris firing on a perseus along with a missile ship or something like the eclipse would have a hard time

[lone bloom]

Yeah, i wouldn't long range fight anything that has also long range capabilities

At least not in a percy

[nocturne raft]

would be at least before their main weapons are taken offline

[lone bloom]

Especially since Poolaris is very easy to take down

I mean even a duo Paladin can take down a Poolaris very quickly

Don't see why a Percy shouldn't with double up to tripple the DPS

[lone tundra]

Its engines basically just fall off from 2x S7s, it'll be good eating with the Perseus

[lone bloom]

Yeah ik, how many shoots do they take? 8? 9?

until they're disabled

Thats like... 6-7 seconds (with S7 on staggered mode)

[nocturne raft]

i hope the alpha on the medusa cannons is good

[lone tundra]

It's like 4-6 rounds, unshielded

so 3 seconds?

[round zodiac]

wonder if itll be the 2 shot burst per barrel

[lone bloom]

i mean if you catch it unshielded its dead either way

But the video I saw was I think with shield

[nocturne raft]

id expect 1 shot per barrel considering the size and the fact we have 4 of the beasts

[round zodiac]

that sillouette video seemed to show 4 roudns coming out quickly, and it did it twice

dakdakdakdak pause dakdakdakdak, from one mount

[nocturne raft]

4 rounds per turret per salvo would be insanely op

[round zodiac]

2 shells from both barrels seemed to be indicated by that old clip my PFP is

[lone bloom]

Not really - you could just half the alpha of each barrel so it adds up

[azure fulcrum]

it could have quad barrel per cannon

[round zodiac]

enough of that 😄

[nocturne raft]

yeh but thats boring. if i wanted a gattling i wouldnt use a cannon

they should be less shots but more BANG per shot

[lone bloom]

Meteor bespokes are cannons too

and double barreld

[round zodiac]

i gotta try the Meteor sometime

[lone bloom]

And they aint shooting like a gatling at all

even less RPM than the Idris cannons

for some awkward reason

[nocturne raft]

nah i just want my slow firing big single shots. battleship cannons

multishots just weaken the effect

[azure fulcrum]

its just burst fire with long intervals

[lone bloom]

I don't think S8 are supposed to be slow big single shot battleship cannons

So far those are only on the Bengal

[round zodiac]

well, there could be S8 miniguns like the Inferno's S7

but we know the Persy S8 is cannons

[nocturne raft]

its sort of the implied visuals of the perseus

and s8 cannons are fucking HUGE

[lone bloom]

For a ship its size

same could be said about Inferno with the S7

[lone tundra]

yeah, it's just a size disparity

[round zodiac]

Redeemer looked so good with S5s. looks so dinky now

[lone bloom]

S8 is small on a bengal

and even smaller on the retribution

[normal fossil]

both ships we will not see for years

[lone bloom]

We did see them - the bengal - in SQ demo lmao

well and ingame in IAE ig

[humble anvil]

a S8 is quite literally almost the size of the entire Ares ship from barrel to engine.

[normal fossil]

sq42 doesnt count

[nocturne raft]

yeh but i mean as a battleship esque cannon. regardless of what its on.
the s7 conquerer is 13m long. the s8s are going to be even bigger. thats not an insignificant size for a cannon

[lone tundra]

we used to literally have it

[lone bloom]

IAE does

[normal fossil]

that was a shell yes

[lone tundra]

yeah

[lone bloom]

Its still there

Or would you place S8 cannons inside of the ship

lol

[lone tundra]

Salvageable, though

[humble anvil]

890 Dwarfed is insane

[normal fossil]

its a static asset

[azure fulcrum]

I was there in the PU saw it with my own eyes

[lone tundra]

technically not static

[nocturne raft]

https://tenor.com/view/i-was-there-i-was-there300years-ago-man-army-stressed-gif-25936584

[lone bloom]

"Well its a huge ship" Iris: "But is it salvagable tho?"

[lone tundra]

certainly scuffed though

[round zodiac]

wonder how full itd make a reclaimer

put another way, iw onder how many Reclaimers it woud fill

[nocturne raft]

doubt the reclaimer could even fit it all

[round zodiac]

Reclaimer store page says it can eat a whole constellation. currently it can do like 4 connies XD

[nocturne raft]

id guess 3 or 4

[lone bloom]

Not even, reclaimer full after 2 Hammerheads (and thats just munching)

[round zodiac]

could hte reclaimer even fracture a bengal

[lone bloom]

likely not

[nocturne raft]

unlikely. we need a capital salvager

[lone bloom]

Reclaimer is a capital salvager

[nocturne raft]

the orions sister ship

[round zodiac]

BuT iT iS a CaPiTaL

[lone tundra]

I ain't paying $1500 for that

[nocturne raft]

i mean a real capital salvager, not one wearing a name label saying its a capital

like orion sized

[lone tundra]

I would not wish for such a thing at this point tbh

wouldn't be CCUable, would be extremely overpriced

[round zodiac]

Super Raptor

[lone tundra]

and it would be a 10 year concept

[nocturne raft]

surprising. thought u wouldve jumped at the chance to buy any new ship

[nocturne raft]

checks out with the other capitals then haha

[round zodiac]

MISC Carno. a new line of MISCs named after dinos, like the Raptor

[lone tundra]

I dislike older stuff becoming irrelevant, when it was sold as the top dog. I'd rather have competing entries, instead of replacements

[normal fossil]

or you could just earn it in game

[lone bloom]

Its not even really "name lebeled" capital, its just simply capital by CIG's definition since it has 1 Capital Component

[nocturne raft]

i wouldnt say a capital salvager would make the reclaimer irrelevant

[round zodiac]

should just be additive fracturing energy from having 3 reclaimers at once

[lone tundra]

It was designed as the biggest salvager that could handle any job.

[round zodiac]

like having the multiple Mole mining lasers on one rock

[normal fossil]

reclaimer needs a better scu grid

[lone tundra]

I should clarify that it was sold as this too

[lone bloom]

Well could just fracture parts of the bengal instead of the whole thing at once

[lone tundra]

and it was the biggest ship when it was implemented. It just needs a full rework.

[lone bloom]

"just needs a full rework"

aka 20 years from now

[lone tundra]

yeah

[lone bloom]

looks at 600I

[nocturne raft]

yeh but as the tos indicates when ur buying stuff things can change along the road through development and things u buy might not end up as originally stated

[lone bloom]

looks at connie

[lone tundra]

Nah, not that much.

[nocturne raft]

its not like u wouldnt be able to use the reclaimer or it even be unusable on capitals
but it doesnt have to be the final ship in the profession

changing "best ship for the job" to "2nd best ship for the job" isnt exactly breaking a pledge

[lone bloom]

Eh, court you could argue that it was sold in a completely different wording, they have playroom with that tos, but law is still above any written down document by a company

[lone tundra]

If you buy an 890 and get delivered an Aurora, doesn't hold up. This is a bad line of argumentation in general, as they do hold true to actual sales agreements over time, as legally required to

[nocturne raft]

yeh but thats obviously not what i said

[lone tundra]

It doesn't matter, it is the same line of argumentation

[nocturne raft]

then selling u 1 ship and u getting another obviously would be as u said

[lone tundra]

If it does not hold up to the extreme, it does not hold up to something lesser, sorry.

It's a legal distinction and issue.

[normal fossil]

there is already a crazy amount of ships and besides the amount of time you are gonna run across a destroyed bengal will be low as they are currently only planned as org assets

[nocturne raft]

them making a bigger salvager than the reclaimer hardly breaks anything

[normal fossil]

but its also not necessary

[nocturne raft]

it doesnt change anything about the reclaimer or its capability

arguablely its no different than adding in a "competitor"

[lone bloom]

I mean they said TECHNICALLY you can get it also as solo player

[lone tundra]

I'd have a lot of questions if they did that, think there's significant evidence to build a case against them if they did so, honestly.

[nocturne raft]

significant? id hardly agree. cos ur still getting the reclaimer as a salvager with its fully intended capability

[lone tundra]

There's talks from Sean Murphy from over 11 years ago on this specific ship. It is the end-game, end all be all Salvager, straight up

[nocturne raft]

yeh 11 years ago is a long time for things to not change

[lone tundra]

It's also a lot of years for historical precedent to build a lawsuit.

[nocturne raft]

anyways we're getting off track. i never said things are changing or theyre even doing anything
point was, them adding another salvager doesnt break any "agreement" about the reclaimer

[raven jetty]

Agreed, a long time and a lack of delivery on that front for sure.

[lone tundra]

tldr; it ain't changing

just like an Idris main gun is not changing

deal with it

[lone bloom]

I mean there can still be competitor ships - with same capabilities - or here and there better but therefor in some areas weaker (like in every other loop of ships) but I don't think they should add a significantly better ship unless they give some kind of compensation (which they won't) to original reclaimerowners

[nocturne raft]

not once did i say or imply the reclaimer wont be as originally sold

[lone tundra]

As originally sold...the biggest, best salvager

[nocturne raft]

best is already a vague enough term to not hold up

[lone tundra]

Just as the Orion is the largest miner, it holds up

[normal fossil]

I would like a salvage arastra variant like the fortune to the prospector

[nocturne raft]

using iris' logic every salvager has to be worse than the reclaimer or its a legal break

[lone bloom]

Technically could even argue that the Bridge of the Perseus (if its actually the bridge in the last sneak peak) is not what you did buy concept wise

Could also be something stupid and small as that

[lone tundra]

A competitor is fine, something that outclasses is not fine

[nocturne raft]

its not a competitor if its worse tho is it

[lone tundra]

It can be an equivalent competitor, IE: Arrastra, and that would not encroach

[lone bloom]

Arrastra Salvager

Would

[lone tundra]

same

[lone bloom]

wait

you wouldn't even have to remove the refinery

so it would be better than the Reclaimer

unless reclaimer gets a refinery too

[lone tundra]

Idris S10 salvager attachment would be neat too, could give it less capability than a Reclaimer, but store more

[lone bloom]

otherwise reclaimer is supposed to get drones

so arra has advantage of refinery, reclaimer of drones

competitor material right there

would not even be hard for them to make a arra salvager.... just switch mining heads to salvage heads, ship wise it wouldn't make a difference

[normal fossil]

its likely that the reclaimer would have more scu as the trade off

[lone bloom]

looks at the official grid

[normal fossil]

the old grid, becasue we all know most the the reclaimer is wasted space and needs a new grid

[lone bloom]

ANd we all know

we will say the same about the Percy grid

[normal fossil]

?

[lone bloom]

50 SCU for an cargo bay thats 3-4 (+ second floor) as big as a Ursa rover

Which is similar sized as a 38 container

[nocturne raft]

i wonder what itll be increased to

[normal fossil]

its close to the HH, all its ment to haul is munitions and the rover is added bonus it doesnt need more scu

[nocturne raft]

i cant imagine more than 64, if its increased at all even

[lone bloom]

likely 80SCU maybe if they sized it up, but we know it will fit a shit ton of SCU offgrid

[nocturne raft]

they should make the lift too small for an ursa

[lone bloom]

if they did not size it up will stay at 50

its sold as fitting an ursa

[lone tundra]

It's sold as being able to carry one.

[lone bloom]

couldn't do that

xD

They even forgot that for the Starlancer and had to readjust

because people got angry

that a storm didn't fit, which it was originally sold for

[nocturne raft]

people get angry at any ship not having a medbed and be able to fit a vehicle

[normal fossil]

the storm does fit tho

[nocturne raft]

its ridiculous how people want the game homogenized

[lone bloom]

Yeah, now it does

on release it did not

[lone tundra]

So from a sales perspective:

• If explicitly advertised; must deliver as advertised or comparable or BETTER
• If sold feature is missing, replacement compensation must be provided

[normal fossil]

because of clipping issue yeah but that doesnt mean it was a missing feature of the ship, its was a bug

[lone bloom]

(last part did even happen just a few weeks ago with the apollo - missing drones - all people got the modules instead fully as pledge)

[nocturne raft]

for clarification, was the ursa used as an example for being able to carry vehicles? or was it specifically stated to hold an ursa

[lone tundra]

For a recent example:
Apollo - drones missing; modules given for free with pledge - in-game acquisitions of the Apollo will not come with modules

[lone bloom]

Specifically stated to hold an ursa - even on concept artwork

[lone tundra]

Yes, explicitly stated to carry an Ursa, also shown in concept art

[raven jetty]

Yeah, it was stated to carry an Ursa in the Percy.

[lone bloom]

You just rewriting my sentences at that point

Happened now twice in a row

[lone tundra]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/en/comm-link/transmission/17881-RSI-Perseus

yeah

[raven jetty]

Delayed chat mate, lol

[lone tundra]

I'm getting heated because sales agreements

[nocturne raft]

lol

[lone bloom]

I still wanna note

on concept artwork there is in both cases alot of space left on the elevator

storm fitting?

[lone bloom]

I can see why they don't wanna do the Endeavor

That thing would need an entire overhaul

[normal fossil]

I dont think they like modular ships at all anymore, as we saw with the galaxy trying to pull back on its building ability because it messed with sale of the starlancer

[lone bloom]

Prob also the reason why they don't wanna sell concept ships anymore, because they see now while working on the backlog that most of their ships are badly in need of reworks

from the original concept

And have to balance their TOS against Law stuff how far they can go with reworks xD

[midnight crypt]

They might as well keep on going to see how long they can actually delay it for

[normal fossil]

that ship is gonna be well after 1.0 if at all

[lone bloom]

I wonder if there is a law about that

Like, surely they can't delay it for ever

[midnight crypt]

Over 10 years now

[lone bloom]

But also wonder on how CIG handles something like that if someone does a ticket for that exact reason and wants his money back since no news or anything else about that ship in over a decade

[midnight crypt]

And I’d say there has to be a couple of people that paid for it and has passed away over those 10 years

[midnight crypt]

Probably get the UK government involved

[lone bloom]

I mean, aren't they legally required to pay the money back - since they did not deliever the product ?

[lone tundra]

It only took 4,188 days for the Idris. There's totally a chance for it to beat that

[lone bloom]

Aka hold their side of the contract

[lone tundra]

They kinda can since the project is still being developed and deliveries are happening tbh

[normal fossil]

it will likely be reconcepted like the pioneer, but all its modules will just be included into the hull at once, with a seperate command module like the ironclad

[lone bloom]

I mean as I bought a GPU - and they couldn't deliever they gave me the money back a month later + 100 bucks as compensation, since they were not able to hold their side of their contract

Kinda expect same applies to Concept Ships no?

If they don't release in a reasonable timeframe

[lone tundra]

Depends on the delivery agreement

[normal fossil]

once they hit 1.0 they will be more subject to the EU laws and wont be able to delay it forever, they also are obligated to have the game maintain a stable state

[lone bloom]

Well - they don't have a delivery agreement

[lone tundra]

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-roberts-chris-roberts-star-citizen-meme-gif-6200734850177995448

[midnight crypt]

They do, they agreed to deliver it at some point in time

[lone bloom]

Between now and the death of the universe

But trust, 2 years from now

[normal fossil]

cope

[lone bloom]

I meant the death of the universe

[round zodiac]

Checks out

[azure fulcrum]

2026 is gonna be the most exciting year yet for star citizen - CR

how can you not trust that smile?

[round zodiac]

He says that every year

[lone bloom]

Did he not say the same about 25?

[azure fulcrum]

CR 100% always tells the truth

[normal fossil]

technically if they are adding new and better stuff its technically true

[azure fulcrum]

ohh uhhh don't remember

[lone bloom]

He does, he is just bad with numbers

[round zodiac]

Can mobile not remix images? I had a funny idea

But mobile has a serious lack of mspaint

[nocturne raft]

believing something will happen and it not happening isnt the same as intentionally lying
people seem to forget that

[azure fulcrum]

I think Jared is CIG's MVP

the court jester that keeps the space civilians from rioting

[round zodiac]

Pledge site is the Bread, Jared is the circuses

[lone bloom]

Okay, if someone says he will do XY tomorrow, and does not, and it repeats over multiple weeks every day, just because "its not happening" is he not intentionally lying?

Especially if its a marketing event? xD

[nocturne raft]

if they genuinely believe it then no

lying requries intent to decieve

[lone bloom]

Yeah maybe they're genuinely stupid then ig xD

[nocturne raft]

he has badly mismanaged expectations
but i dont believe hes a liar

[azure fulcrum]

Jared was a 2012 backer originally before he became a CIG marketing puppet

he's one of us basically

[normal fossil]

but you assume to know hes intentionally lying, its likely that hes just like most upper management and doesnt have a sold grasp of what a realistic time frame for his devs is, and thats not a far stretch with how little their teams communicate with each other

[round zodiac]

He took a calculated risk, but man is he bad at math

[lone bloom]

He just gets paid to cope

[nocturne raft]

theres a billion different reasons for something to not happen on time in a video game
as jared likes to say, there are no constants in video game development

[lone bloom]

As I said - bad with numbers

[azure fulcrum]

he's just very excited, can't blame CR for his workers failing to deliver on his deadlines

[lone bloom]

There are

THat the elevator keeps breaking

[azure fulcrum]

he gets paid in spaceships

[nocturne raft]

incompetency down the chain is pretty much why we're here
although in my opinion the silver lining is the fact its taken this long means we got a far better game out of it

[round zodiac]

We will have the whole game done in 3 years!
Then asks John Crewe what the ship pipeline is... Realizes he's way off

[nocturne raft]

i very much prefer the direction the game has now then the original pitch. and i loved the original pitch

[round zodiac]

They've certainly had to take some Ls. But they needed it

[lone bloom]

they still need some more L's in my opinion

"Basebuilding and crafting 2025 guys" 2025 almost at the end, and even in citizenscon they did not even lost a word about it

"open development"

[nocturne raft]

didnt they say 12-18 months last year

[azure fulcrum]

I think CR really wants to give us a good game but it's just hard to manage a project like that and you can't foresee what is going to happen down the line like devs getting poached deadlines not being met

[lone bloom]

That was for the ships, no?

[nocturne raft]

thats how it comes across to me as well

[round zodiac]

I want to retext the dispicable me scene about getting a loan from the bank

Anyone a giffer?

[azure fulcrum]

and everytime he gives us dates its 100% what he believes but reality is different sadly

as jared said, they're aiming for 2026 for SQ42 but no promises

[lone bloom]

Thats still a management issue tho, some people there just keep on fucking up to talk to other teams

[round zodiac]

If they had a release date, it'd be for sale 😛

[lone bloom]

They had a release date... for 2013 (?) 14... 18....19...

[round zodiac]

Programmers being introverted!?

[round zodiac]

Then EU smacked em

[normal fossil]

Nyx 1 is a good example of that

[lone bloom]

Yet it works in other companies, i wonder why

[azure fulcrum]

yeah I had hoped they would adept and learn from their mistakes but it doesn't seem to be getting any better

[nocturne raft]

https://youtu.be/WLLLtaM0Jf0?t=16013 timestamp

[lone bloom]

At least they don't say "2 more years" anymore

ah wait a minute

they did

[nocturne raft]

pretty much

[normal fossil]

this is also the problem with making two games at once that need to share features and tech

[azure fulcrum]

his last interview he said 2027-2028 for 1.0 yeah

[lone bloom]

A singleplayer and a multiplayer part are still not two different games

[round zodiac]

Can't wait to have Cold Fusion running the city grid when I play SC1.0

[nocturne raft]

yeh the turbulent interview said that for 1.0
the quote i was talking about was basebuilding in "12 to 18 months"

[normal fossil]

which is dumb is 2030 at the absolute earliest

but even then...

[round zodiac]

Even cold Fusion s down to only being 4 years away every 4 years instead of 5 years away every 5

[nocturne raft]

so theres still time for any form of base building.
crafting they even showed us 2 weeks ago what the first version will be and likely wont be that far off into the new year

monster hunting id say theyve implemented at this point

theres no question

[normal fossil]

its will probably take them 2 years to fully make each new system

[azure fulcrum]

the things I'm most excited for is a trading system (grand bazaar) and proper MMO social system tbh

[lone bloom]

Its not "two" games - its a multiplayer part and a singleplayer part - its build on the same engine, on the same construct, just like any other game that usually sells those things as "one" game

[round zodiac]

I like when they said the Vulture multi tool printer was the first iteration if crafting with much more to come soon

[nocturne raft]

the economy as a whole is going to change a lot

[round zodiac]

3.18, that was

[normal fossil]

but it is still two seperate games even if they are on teh same engine

they are even sold as such

[lone bloom]

I would say more its two different modules of the same game

[azure fulcrum]

for the instances for example it would be nice to have matchmaking

it needs to have the basic MMO features

[round zodiac]

But in that way, is the Titanfall campaign it's own game?

[nocturne raft]

they are 2 games. theyre separate and not necessary for each other

[humble anvil]

god damn

i missed so much

[normal fossil]

thats like saying most of the call of duty games are the same "one" game because they share alot in common

[lone bloom]

So are some modules on other games, yet they are "one" game

[lone tundra]

not really tbh

[round zodiac]

I'm just here farming message counts

[lone tundra]

won't have more percy until friday

[humble anvil]

1 perseus

2 perseus

3 perseus

[nocturne raft]

yeh but those games have the same name because theyre the same game. like cod having single player and multiplayer
squadron 42 and star citizen are different games

[round zodiac]

Almost at 100k

[lone bloom]

No thats saying the Zombie, Multiplayer and Singleplayer are still the same game, - or would you prefer that they sell the zombie mode, the multiplayer mode, and the singleplayer mode as seperate games?

[normal fossil]

what makes you think the tease will be the percy

[lone tundra]

We're exactly 1 month out from IAE, the marketing starts up for it at this point

[azure fulcrum]

the desync is crazy this patch

[round zodiac]

Cod likes to pretend it is, warzone and campaign are entire different downloads from standard matches

[nocturne raft]

i hope its one of the new ships. cos theres like 4/5 that should be at iae that we havent even had a sniff of yet

[azure fulcrum]

SQ42 = COD Infinite warfare 2

[normal fossil]

but they arent because they are all on the same title, sq42 will have is own title to purchase and separate download, call of duty would only work if zombies was a separate purchase and download with a different title

[nocturne raft]

https://tenor.com/view/you-take-that-back-take-that-back-ross-geller-rachel-friends-gif-5982073129383985507

[lone tundra]

I'd prefer to not see a chop shop Aurora, Bucc/Wolf hybrid, Mustang, or chop shop Cat/Corsair

give me Perseus, or give me nothing, until IAE, IMO

[nocturne raft]

i want to see the rsi salvage starter

[lone tundra]

It's just an LTI token

and game pack

buy 5, and never step into it

but the Perseus

[nocturne raft]

for u maybe. im actually interested in it

[lone tundra]

that's a 24/7 daily driver right there

[azure fulcrum]

we already seen the grey market hybrids and aurora in leaks

[normal fossil]

even then they will likely tease one of the other new ship coming

[lone bloom]

Well, you just proof my point there tho? Could just sell "COD Zombies" as a different game, even if its the same as it is rn. tech wise, its still the same game as the multiplayer, or singleplayer

[nocturne raft]

hell even show us the hermes

[round zodiac]

Can't wait to do some box missions to micro tech rooftops in my Perseus

[azure fulcrum]

grey market aurora will probably be like 70$ or something lol

[normal fossil]

no if it is sold separately with its own title and download it is a different game even tho it share feature and even cannon

[lone bloom]

Does it even fit on the rooftops?

[nocturne raft]

heavy fighter than punches above its weight

[round zodiac]

Getting Uber eats from an Apache

[azure fulcrum]

yeah basically

[round zodiac]

Elevator should rest on it fine

[lone bloom]

So for you, its a different game, assoon it has a different name, even if everything else is identically? okay

[nocturne raft]

using that logic, all cod games on the same engine are the same game

[normal fossil]

according to every other game and movie yeah

[lone bloom]

Different graphic, different setting, different weapons, different assets, different movement......

[nocturne raft]

theyre not graphically tho. cod used the same engine for like 10 years lol

it wasnt until mw 2019 they made a new engine, and even then blopscw didnt even use it

[normal fossil]

even thos it is the main story for the sc/pu it is a separate title and game

[nocturne raft]

also, black ops series; modern warfare series. theyre the same setting within themselves. same guns

[azure fulcrum]

I hope we get perseus patch bundle, armorset and flight suit, navy uniform 😭

[nocturne raft]

theres an argument to be made mw 1 2 and 3 are the same game, but theyre not

[lone bloom]

Yeah ofc its not "just" about the engine, but SQ and SC literally share everything with each other, from assets to mechanics to features (they literally said they put new features first into SQ42 and then port them into SC - aka like its usually done aswell in any other game that has a shared Singleplayer and multiplayer) except for the "only multiplayer" components...

[lone tundra]

Those both use different engines to be fair

Treyarch was kinda on another level though

[nocturne raft]

within themselves yeah, but 2019, mw2 and 3 used the reboot engine

[normal fossil]

it doesnt matter how much they share in common

[nocturne raft]

pretty sure blops 2 3 and 4 used the old engine

[lone bloom]

Well it does xD

[humble anvil]

you guys know the sub flair for november will be a perseus t-shirt right

[lone bloom]

Scam, they forgot the Paladin Tshirt

[humble anvil]

paladin is not hype like perseus

[nocturne raft]

it got a whole flight suit

[humble anvil]

true

[lone bloom]

Not a tshirt tho

[nocturne raft]

just cut the sleeves off and there u go

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

percius patch bundle uniform

[lone bloom]

Does it include the mustache?

[lone tundra]

By sales, almost, tbh

[round zodiac]

Mustache included?

[azure fulcrum]

absolutely

[humble anvil]

HAD NO IDEA PERSEUS WASNT THAT MUCH

GALAXY BEAT IT OUT?!

Arrastra i can understand

[azure fulcrum]

a percian crew member is required to grow a moostache

[humble anvil]

arrastra is actually such a good ship

[lone bloom]

But it only accounts 8 days per ship? not the whole timeline from start of concept to release

[round zodiac]

Galaxy was pre base building

[lone tundra]

Keep in mind the greatly enhanced consumer count for those sales

The Perseus sale from 2020, with significantly less people with fat wallets, still holds up for years of sales in that

[round zodiac]

Been a bit overshadowed by it

[azure fulcrum]

wow arrastra is crazy popular

[normal fossil]

no its separate sale, separate marketing, separate names, separate forms of gameplay (one is a mmo and one is a integrative story like the last of us). They are different games. When they annouce SQ42 launch they are not going to say "Star Citizen is now launching is XXXX". They are gonna say "SQ42 the main story that predates Star Citizen world is launching in XXXX"

Your logic is like saying all the star wars movies are one movie because they share a universe.

[azure fulcrum]

I need arrastra 😭

[round zodiac]

Arrastra beat out my interest in galaxy

[humble anvil]

2 years away

[round zodiac]

Mining and refining in one

[lone bloom]

Okay, CoD campagin has different form of gameplay - and a different name aswell than the multiplayer, so therefor, is a different game than the multiplayer, got it.

[lone tundra]

[lone bloom]

(Was also announced feature complete 2024 if i remember correctly )

[lone tundra]

it just needs 2 years of polish

[normal fossil]

no they are under the same title and download, therefore its is one game. you buy one disc at the store and get both.

[lone tundra]

It'll be fine

just give it another 2 years

[round zodiac]

Indie Games getting 5 million sales have less development times than the polishing phase of sq42

[lone bloom]

And they could technically do the same with SQ and SC, they just decide not to.

Thats the point.

[round zodiac]

Squadron42? Na
Schedule 1? Yea

[lone bloom]

I mean, ofc not, why should they? cash twice and tell people its two fully different things.

Originally you got SQ42 and SC together btw

as one purchase

[normal fossil]

if they did include SQ42 and SC in a in the package and download, like cod then yes it would be one title, but they are sold and marketed as separate titles.

[lone bloom]

it was

originally

But you're apparantly easily influenced by marketing and beliefe that stuff^^

[normal fossil]

your just not that bright is seems, because all movie trilogies are one movie based on your logic.

[round zodiac]

Star citizen was just a stretch goal for sq42
Therefore same game

[lone bloom]

By yours technically too since most triologies can be bought on one disc and also most triologies are also written fully from the beginning to end before the very first movie even enters the cinemas

But game =/= movie in the first place

[azure fulcrum]

is that true? XDDD

so we all pledge for SQ42 and SC is just an afterthought?

[round zodiac]

There was something like that. I don't remember the specifics. But minimum passing payment on Kickstarter would just make SQ42, if they passed some threshold, they'd make Star Citizen as well, or something

[azure fulcrum]

well damn

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[normal fossil]

that would only work if they released all at the same time on one disk films are sold and filmed separately. IE: Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc, etc, etc

[lone bloom]

Would wait for SQ42 release and months after before even thinking about buying it - simply because I don't trust croberts to release anything not fully bugged

[round zodiac]

It's a walled garden, no server hopping or mission structure

[lone bloom]

Yet you can purchase all of them in one bundle or as one disc, but as I said prior Movies =/= Games

[round zodiac]

And the devs of Sq42 didn't have to maintain a playable client for the last 13 years

[normal fossil]

yes, thats why the development for the PU didnt really pick up until the polish phase of SQ42

[lone bloom]

Can still be bugged tho

Just look at cyberpunk (console version)

[round zodiac]

Running events in SC like playing soccer on a landfill

[lone bloom]

or Borderlands

[normal fossil]

after the fact and a combo that include all three films, are you dense?

[round zodiac]

Enough about movies

[lone bloom]

Still, why are you talking about movies after me saying multiple times it has nothing to do with video games?

Ask the last three words yourself maybe

[normal fossil]

Ok so you are either stupid or rage batting, either way I dont see the need to continue the conversation with your room temperature IQ.