Perseus Pals

[humble anvil]

so now a net nerf

[desert gorge]

pretty hard nerf

[humble anvil]

basically the same

as PU

its harder against bigger ships with big shields for ballistics now

[desert gorge]

yup gonna assume we might get some EMP ammo i geus to get shields down quickly

[humble anvil]

whatever they're testing.. fucking pray they give the perseus its due

[desert gorge]

it legit feelsl ike that they disclike ballistics

just delete em at this point lol

i feel like a 20% dmg drop off for shields is completly fine some dmg should fall off but 45% ?

[humble anvil]

it was 600 to kill a hammerhead with the inferno on ptu

last patch

5gb update. 1 minute

[desert gorge]

dunno for a S7 it feels fine ? HH is old and has low Hull HP no ?

[humble anvil]

ah

yah

[desert gorge]

i can be wrong here no

[humble anvil]

S7 not in comparison to the idris S7

and the ion S7 feels like Idris S7

[desert gorge]

S7 gattling is beyond weird on the ares

feel like the ares is sooo mcuh worse than the ion

[humble anvil]

4.7 DPS burst on Ion. 3.48 on sustain.
4.3 Burst on Gatling. 3.16 on sustain

and then the big difference is:

50% cut because of ballistic reductions

so its tech 2.15 burst on gatling, 1.575 sustain

pitiful

testing

[desert gorge]

im not a numbers go so im sry but that sounds bad doesnt it

[humble anvil]

OLD PTU

ballistic bullet count

not time

because i tried seeing if can burst to cooldown and keep going

sec

[desert gorge]

hmh
but theoreticly
Shouldnt the Ares be a general counter to everything L sized ?
in a scenario like this the HH would obliterate the Ares

[lone bloom]

I have question

Is ballistics like battlefront 2 blasters where letting it cool off by itsself and not overheating is faster than letting it overheat and cool down after

or reversed?

[humble anvil]

new ptu. its the same? lol

[lone bloom]

how much HP has the front of the HH?

[humble anvil]

80k

[azure fulcrum]

ohh that's cool

[desert gorge]

guess if they keep up their "fixes" the perseus will be a disappointment.... bc i do not see it in a good state as of ANY Ballistics and i wanna cry

[lone bloom]

kinda takes very long - 59 seconds to kill it no?

considering its a S7 consistently shooting it

[humble anvil]

yerp

sec

[lone bloom]

i mean... a Connie does it faster

with lasers

kinda feels... not right

polaris main turret i think too?

[humble anvil]

idk what CIG plans with Ballistics..

[azure fulcrum]

bruh get the pirate skin for asgard you wont regret it

[desert gorge]

if they keep it up just delete em

[humble anvil]

significantly faster

[uneven thistle]

I will never use that paint, ever

Fuck those lazy pirate paints

[humble anvil]

oh i see they put the dps together per gunlol

but yeah its faster to kill

than Ares

[azure fulcrum]

the skull is very edgy tho

[humble anvil]

looks dumb

next

[lone bloom]

i mean there are way better paints

[uneven thistle]

Yeah, fuck that paint

[lone bloom]

the black red paint for example, but it wasn't released yet tho?

[azure fulcrum]

asgard doesn't have much choice

it needs nightbreak skin

[uneven thistle]

Asgard has 5 paints

All better than this one

[azure fulcrum]

yeah all shit IMHO

[uneven thistle]

So it is hereby official that you don't have any taste

[azure fulcrum]

I believe the Blade kit paint nightbreak or whatever its called wasn't released

[humble anvil]

Ballistics are fucking trash

[azure fulcrum]

whenever that comes I'll trade it in for nightbreak pirate skin is store credit anyways

[humble anvil]

idk who's balancing at CIG

[desert gorge]

potentially a monkey

[humble anvil]

we legit have to pay to restock our ship... return to port... go through an annoying loop just to use ballistics

[azure fulcrum]

I thought they buffed ballistics but its exactly the same?

[humble anvil]

its basically the same. a tiny bit better than PTU

shield damage reduction with full shields only really affect big ships

[azure fulcrum]

damn

[humble anvil]

like polaris n idris

[azure fulcrum]

well the wolf got improved significantly but it has a huge amount of ammo and velocity already

[humble anvil]

otherwise shields like hammerhead go down so fast that its not even noticable

[azure fulcrum]

I got a LTI asgard now heh

[lone bloom]

3-4x shields for percy bet

[humble anvil]

i think 4, but thats future proofing for future

where shields will be ALOT less

[lone bloom]

Reminding you

Zeus ES

has 4

[azure fulcrum]

asgard too

[lone bloom]

And they also added a statement that ships will have drastically more shield components

[humble anvil]

it makes sense on a military ship to have spare shields incase one fails

[lone bloom]

it has two S3s originally no?

same as HH

[humble anvil]

yah outdated

[lone bloom]

yea it is

3-4 my bet

[azure fulcrum]

new types of components or do you mean more shield generators for redundancy?

[lone bloom]

More shields generally for all ships

but means they have to get all a gold pass for that to happen

[azure fulcrum]

yeah they want this new redundancy system for shields

I got 4 ships now but the cat I have a CCU chain ready for ironclad... Need some sort of higher tier moneymaking ship///

[lone bloom]

so far asgard and zeus are the only ones that got hit with that update no?

SL has quite "normal" shields compared to ships its size

bespite being a newer ship than zeus

[lone bloom]

Shield ballistic absorption reduction damage has now been set to 45% for all shields (previously 30% in 4.3.0 and 20% in 4.3.1 PTU). This means that ballistic guns will be less effective across the board against all targets when they have their shields up and running. (source: PTU Patchnotes)

Thats probably why it looks the same....

they "nerfed" basic hull reduction

but buffed shield reduction

so it kinda nullifies

which is stupid

[humble anvil]

CIG being sped muffins

NOT EVERY SHIP SHOULD HAVE 45% DAMAGE REDUCTION

-its just testing Rustle, calm down

they're working on it

[lone bloom]

wait hold on wait a minute

does that mean

with shields on

[lone bloom]

that they take even less damage than on PU?

[humble anvil]

Perseus does not care

THE PU they're 30% more tanky

[lone bloom]

in PU its 50% base and 30% shield - in current PTU its 45% shield and 38% hull

[humble anvil]

so tldr; It turns 1 minute, 40 second kill from PU to
1 minute and 10 seconds

[lone bloom]

so PTU has 83% reduction with shields (latest patch)
PU has 80%

they are more tanky in PTU

[humble anvil]

like said, it only maters for ships with big shields

because soon as shields are halfed so i that dmg % reduction

[lone bloom]

well yes that only counts till shield is down

wait it only counts for 50+% shield?

[humble anvil]

45% reduction at full. 22.5% reduction at half. 0% reduction at 0

its linear reduction based on how much shield

[lone bloom]

thought that reduction counts until shield is fully down

hm

[humble anvil]

shouldn't

[lone bloom]

point still stands, shield 100% it is 3% more tanky than PU

[humble anvil]

yes

[lone bloom]

and selfaware literally clowning me for something that is literally a fact

lmao

[azure fulcrum]

the clown was meant for CIG lol

what the hell are they doing

[lone bloom]

smoking pod

[azure fulcrum]

I guess the XML guy made another mistake?

[lone bloom]

I mean its better to have "more" reduction through shield than on hull if shield drops down depending on shield capacity

but technically they have 3% more reduction

just that this reduction degrades over time more than before

[lone bloom]

Croberts literally into the mirror probably everytime he goes to 'work'

[azure fulcrum]

I know people think Excel is like rocketscience IDK man I got my excel certification and enough experience to know it's not that

but that's just my opinion

I think its a poor excuse to blame excel

[lone bloom]

There is... an excel certification?

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

[lone bloom]

I mean... its part of my IT certification too... but there is a specific one?

[azure fulcrum]

well its part of it

[lone bloom]

@humble anvil you have polaris loaner right?

[humble anvil]

Glad the Perseus making them pull their head out of their ass

[lone bloom]

Shouldn't the Polaris main cannon not oneshot light fighters now due to the 38%?

[humble anvil]

not on PTU

[lone bloom]

ffs

[humble anvil]

hammerhead on PTU

[lone bloom]

they literally had almost an entire year to update it

[humble anvil]

im bitching in 4.3.1 ptu chat

[lone bloom]

there is no winning in SC chats generally

unless you have fun ragebaiting

[humble anvil]

medical gameplay going to release broken

[lone bloom]

you mean because of medgel?

[humble anvil]

yerp

[azure fulcrum]

xD what "gameplay" we don't even have PvE rescue missions or medbeacons yet

[lone bloom]

Not only that

but death does not affect you at all kind of

i mean you respawn with your entire gear

just not your backpack inventory

no need for reviving

[azure fulcrum]

amazing

[lone bloom]

and that will stay until crafting

so.... eh xD

i mean sure, means you can wear your fancy armor and weapons without fear losing it but crafting would be way better ngl

[azure fulcrum]

it's amazing they couldn't find another way to prevent duping of gear

and they had to ruin other gameplay just to prevent duping

I miss losing my armor and gear, dying feels meaningless now

[lone bloom]

well and it was also the duping that did not even matter

[azure fulcrum]

and looting other players...

[lone bloom]

i mean those who actually make AUEC with duping, dupe ship stuff, not armor

[azure fulcrum]

they have no regard for the actual gameplay when they make these changes

[humble anvil]

Star Citizen has DMA Hacks

Duping is least of our concern

[lone bloom]

I mean just say yesterday that people dupe the Idris railgun

and sell it for 10 million

[azure fulcrum]

and they're going to do the same thing with ship components. It's incredible

ship components are already unsellable so yeah...

[lone bloom]

i meant to other players

since the railgun is quite rare

[humble anvil]

bricked soon

[lone bloom]

ah right

the brick system comes in

[azure fulcrum]

its very sad because it removes another element of sandbox PvP gameplay

just incredible how they shit on their own game just because they don't want people to dupe stuff

[lone bloom]

tbf then they also have to make a unbrick system aswell but that also has to wait until crafting

crafting has to become a priority by now

[azure fulcrum]

that's gonna take another couple of years

(why not wait to brick stuff when you finish the system for unbricking stuff and release them at the same time?)

I'll never understand these decisions

[lone bloom]

well the "unbricking" stuff kinda also needs 3 different systems/features

thats the funny part

it needs an entire unlawfull way to unbrick stuff - it needs the option to "sell" stuff player ->> player trading terminals (basebuilding is required here) and crafting itsself

[azure fulcrum]

I guess so

[lone bloom]

yeah kinda a shitshow

i mean sure it would work temporarily with just one of those methodes too

but it has to be there in the first place

[azure fulcrum]

I would be fine with them releasing new mechanics for testing etc but at least make the game fun and enjoyable

don't just release a half assed thing

[lone bloom]

"we don't do any T0s anymore"

https://tenor.com/view/maury-well-now-what-do-we-have-gif-7993540099891454851

[azure fulcrum]

every SCL is full of lies lol

like todays SCL: "it's a common misconception that most resources are allocated to SQ42 and not the PU"

[lone bloom]

[azure fulcrum]

you could interpet it in different ways of course that there are more devs assigned to the PU ATM

[lone bloom]

They literally stated at the start of the year that they had to move basebuilding and crafting back because people had to go back again for SQ42

the fuck?

[azure fulcrum]

but I can't help but think about the hundreds of millions spend on actors and other resources for SQ42

I heard someone say they spent 500 million on SQ42 alone

[lone bloom]

I am fine with them spending money on actors, especially if those actos wanted to be part of it (and probably were not that pricy as they usually were)

I am more mad about uneccessary stuff like the kinda 1:1 scale hornet they had

or 1:1 scaled 3d printed armors that costs thousands

[azure fulcrum]

yeah its fine

that 1:1 scale hornet was really ugly

[lone bloom]

i mean

that may be

because the hornet MK1 is ugly by itsself

should've went with the MK2

[azure fulcrum]

I also think the physical citcons are a huge waste of money

it doesn't really benefit the project

[lone bloom]

well no

[azure fulcrum]

I'd rather them use that money to prevent senior devs from getting poached lol

get more experienced quality people

[azure fulcrum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/1n6fxij/departed_snr_producer_claims_500m_budget_for_sq42/

ah this is where I heard it from

[lone bloom]

well likely that this budget increased by now

considering that this is 4 years old

[azure fulcrum]

ye lol lets hope its worth it

[lone bloom]

I mean it did look very promising

also don't forget most SQ42 stuff gets ported into SC so its okay it has a kinda larger budget

like maelstrom, odin system, the ladder stuff, animations, some ships etc

even tho ofc its something entirely different to make for a singleplayer game than for a multiplayer^^

[azure fulcrum]

how many hours of gameplay is the first chapter supposed to be anyways?

20 hours?

[lone bloom]

you mean squadron 42 game 1?

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

[lone bloom]

30-40 hours no?

[azure fulcrum]

hmm forgot

[lone bloom]

but so far ik that did only count for main story

[azure fulcrum]

but a singleplayer game should be a lot easier to make than an MMO

[lone bloom]

because it is

[azure fulcrum]

"they can't possibly frack this up right?"

[lone bloom]

Cyberpunk

[azure fulcrum]

:DDDD

hahahah

[lone bloom]

tbf Cyberpunk worked for me VERY smoothly on PC

they only fucked up console version

[azure fulcrum]

I think its good that they delay release for polishing

[lone bloom]

and yet so far the game with one of the best stories of all games i ever played

[azure fulcrum]

but comeone we've had a delay every 2 years now

yeah CP has become a solid game now

[lone bloom]

just two more years trust

[lone bloom]

yeah thinking of maybe getting the dlc at some point dunno how pricy it is rn

but did not want to buy it for 40 bucks at release

[lone bloom]

ugh still 27 bucks

[lone bloom]

reminds me of pyro

"next year trust guys"

since uh 2018?

[azure fulcrum]

since 2014/

[humble anvil]

someone on youtube thinks SQ42 will release

[lone bloom]

I mean they already backed down from "2026 save release" to "we try everything we can to release 2026" today

[humble anvil]

and CIG will go to administration to get an indefinite hold on development

tldr cease development of PU

[azure fulcrum]

jared said " no promises on 2026 release"

[lone bloom]

yeah

but on spectrum he clarified they try everything for a 2026

but he cannot see the future

[azure fulcrum]

its not sounding good tbf

[lone bloom]

kinda yea

[azure fulcrum]

I think he also said this in SCL "they'll try everything for a 2026"

[lone bloom]

.... and they said they only need polishing

fucking lied to us again

[azure fulcrum]

LMAO

"feature complete"

yet here we are still getting new features

[lone bloom]

literally what i meant

that they backed down from the 2026 safe release

and now to "possibly"

"maybe"

Like I don't care if it releases 2026 honestly

I just want them to move devs from sq42 to SC

Because SC is simply the money cow here

[azure fulcrum]

I believe in the good nature of people and want to believe that they honestly don't know what is going on with the exact progress of sq42 and just want to be safe

[lone bloom]

not SQ

believing in the good nature of people is like believing a pig can fly

[azure fulcrum]

welp me too I actually don't really care to play SQ42 it seems pretty generic on rails singleplayer game to me very outdated

[lone bloom]

i mean it is outdated - its basically a story / game from 2013

[azure fulcrum]

I want to believe they aren't "intentionally" lying to us lol

but just ignorant of the facts

[azure fulcrum]

yeah thats what I'm afraid of tbh

[lone bloom]

and by now we can also tell

SC is aging

[azure fulcrum]

I just hope its on par with CoD infinite warfare campaign

that's where I set my bar

[lone bloom]

used to be visually a "high end" game - by now its visually at best - average

(compared to games that set their standard on "realism")

[azure fulcrum]

yeah they're still working on the visual part (Hint SQ42 is nowhere feature complete like they told us)

I think that's the reality of the situation they are not telling us

polishing my ass

raytracing is still coming

[lone bloom]

@tepid wasp just compare it to battlefield 6 lol

SC is visually aging lol

[azure fulcrum]

well its lagging behind

they're working on it I guess

[tepid wasp]

BF6 will not have ray tracing...

[lone bloom]

at launch*

and still looks better

than SC

Raytracing isn't everything

[azure fulcrum]

the visuals are one thing but SQ42 needs something to set it apart and make it a relevant game in 2026 or whenever

[lone bloom]

I usually have raytracing also only activated on singleplayer games

simply because of the fps drops that raytracing causes

and SC is FAR away from having Raytracing .... stability wise

[tepid wasp]

BF6 campaign will not 'look' better than* SQ42, sorry

[lone bloom]

I mean from what I have seen its "cinematic" / gameplay wise similar to once human

[azure fulcrum]

uhhh ok

[lone bloom]

and your opinion is based on what? - SQ42 will extremey likely look like SC - which visually laggs way behind BF6 (or any current game)

and the Demo they showed did also infact look like SC visually

[azure fulcrum]

I guess the real strong element to SQ42 is supposed to be the story telling and cinematics?

[lone bloom]

Likely

I mean Croberts was a filmmaker no?

[tepid wasp]

Because SQ42 currently is PC only on a fork of Cryengine versus BF6 Frostbite that needs to be Xbox compatible

[azure fulcrum]

its like a promo for star citizen build up the lore to get people in the PU

[azure fulcrum]

yeah thats where his ambitions lie

[lone bloom]

so?

I mean you aint gonna compare a PC version with a console version?^^

Ofc it would be PC SQ42 vs PC BF6

[humble anvil]

CIG need to change Perseus from TBD to WIP

[azure fulcrum]

you're keeping an eye on that URL for us lol?

[humble anvil]

have been. every day

[azure fulcrum]

heheheh good

[humble anvil]

no IAE stuff yet

its coming though

they basically went through their halloween commlinks already

[azure fulcrum]

paladin likely for Citcon and perseus then probably IAE

[lone bloom]

Also - lets not forget that ""CIG's"" Frankenstein Engine is 13+ years old, while Frostbite 5 is like what? 6 years old?

[humble anvil]

yep

[tepid wasp]

Did you ever play 2042?

DICE cannot max out Frostbite because of Xbox, this skews visuals lower to compensate (across all systems)

[azure fulcrum]

is there a paladin URL perchance?

[lone bloom]

nooo surely never played it

[humble anvil]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/en/comm-link/transmission/20761-AP-STF-WIP

[azure fulcrum]

riiiight its WIP so before perseus

[humble anvil]

yep

[azure fulcrum]

😭

[lone bloom]

also still doubt paladin at Citizenscon

just entered LOD0

unless they push it

[tepid wasp]

Then why are you acting like this is new information?

Why derail this clubhouse of Perseus with this silliness?

[humble anvil]

they pushing it

[azure fulcrum]

rush that pally half ass it we don't care

[lone bloom]

I mean, i was not the one that derailed it - i just made the statement of that SC/SQ is lagging behind visually compared to nowadays games - you catched it and argued its not instead of just leaving it be

[humble anvil]

we legit dont care

[azure fulcrum]

perseus gonna get its polishing and will be magnificent by IAE release

[lone bloom]

we do - push perseus instead and pause paladin therefor

[humble anvil]

no fucker, let them cook balancing so they dont knee jerk our baby!!!!

[lone bloom]

"cook balancing" okay -10 RPM now

[azure fulcrum]

yeah we need time for them to get ballistics right

[lone bloom]

you know if CIG "cooks" balancing

its always for the bad

[humble anvil]

they burnt the bread

[tepid wasp]

#1121113616926638131 message

[humble anvil]

every time

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/grilled-cheese-burnt-cheese-grill-cheese-food-gif-22205349

Still wondering why their decision about the Perseus weaponry went from originally: "We kinda think its alot of heavy hitting for such a low crew requirement" to "lets upgun it to S8 and give it also 4 pdcs additionally"

[humble anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

idk bout you guys but do you actually play the game right now? I haven't legitmately played for a good 2 months now... especially since wiketroll scam

not be worth a fuck

well tbh i did play when asd first came out

[lone bloom]

played it the last three days consistently

[humble anvil]

man what are you doing in game?

[lone bloom]

But only because I helped someone doing the event

[humble anvil]

ah

[lone bloom]

Finished two whole companies

Since they buffed the cargo of the ships it was quite quick

i think 7 large cargo retrieval per company

(plus minus bugged ones)

[humble anvil]

I love chris in this photo

what a goofy guy

[azure fulcrum]

ye I only touched SC to test my new CPU, finish the event and check out a new skin

I don't see any reason to boot it up again until the new patch

oh and I also did ASD

[humble anvil]

Yerp

[azure fulcrum]

gonna lose all my ships and components again when the new patch drops 😩

[humble anvil]

Still twiddling thumbs like okay Chris... When can we craft a higher tier component that's actually worth grinding for

[azure fulcrum]

I lost all my military A class components last patch

[humble anvil]

And geuss what

Industrial grade A with some civilian coolers

Does the same thing

[azure fulcrum]

yeah I only use industrial A shields now

[humble anvil]

Yerp

And the civilian grade a quantum is only marginally slower

But the CD is better

Component HP is all relatively the same

[azure fulcrum]

yep lol it makes no sense

[humble anvil]

It makes me mad

[azure fulcrum]

again the people who are doing the XML stats are huffing and puffing

[humble anvil]

I would love to play the game but when the game is; grind for a week doing tedious bs for a ship I can quite literally spend 75$ store credit on and get right now!!!!

Like bruh why

[azure fulcrum]

and the ship you grind for suddenly disappears the next patch 🤡

[humble anvil]

Every component and stat stick is all shadowed by shit we can buy in game for a fraction of the cost and time investment

And that too

[azure fulcrum]

at least the store bought ones are persistent

most of the time

[humble anvil]

Yes they are

And a character repair would probably fix it / relog into launcher

When it does entitlement processing

[azure fulcrum]

I bet anyone in here could do a better job balancing the game by making up random stats

[humble anvil]

Man so sad, I hate to be such a negative Nancy I really do

[azure fulcrum]

you could just faceroll on your keyboard and get a better result lol

[humble anvil]

But watching these dudes knee jerk balance ballistic

Genuinely upsets me

[azure fulcrum]

yeah its just the reality all I can do is hope it improves someday

[humble anvil]

they have no freaking clue what they're doing

[azure fulcrum]

that's quite infuriating indeed

[humble anvil]

They never did

It's like I said it earlier

[azure fulcrum]

ain't that the truth

[humble anvil]

The only reason they're doing it now is because Perseus is coming

[azure fulcrum]

is there really no one working at CIG that cares about having meaningful fun gameplay?

[humble anvil]

And they overtuned Idris turret to sell it . Didn't give 1 single fuck about anything else

[azure fulcrum]

attempting to lol cause its still shit lmao

[humble anvil]

Then we got 4 ballistic bespoke ships n no one talks about it or flies them

No wonder they're finally doing something

They dare not fuck it up with the Perseus

[azure fulcrum]

perseus is a big expensive ship I'm sure it'll be treated different than the little low effort crappy ships

a lot of work went into making the perseus

and perseus rakes in the cash

[humble anvil]

They flop the King they're going to piss off alot of people

[azure fulcrum]

ohhh yeah

you just never know with CIG their behavior is erratic and unpredictable

its straight up stupid

[humble anvil]

They updated the m5a models right because paladin comes stock with em

[azure fulcrum]

but I want to believe they won't fuck it up 🤷‍♂️

[humble anvil]

[azure fulcrum]

😭

[humble anvil]

Me too man

[azure fulcrum]

these last couple of months are the hardest

can't wait to get this over with lol I want to know what they're doing to my favorite ship 😭

[humble anvil]

You know too with Perseus TBD

In before they actually considering it but can't get ballistics right before Citcon

Will hold Perseus for IAE

Think they already decided tho lol

[azure fulcrum]

yeah apparently its too difficult to balance ballistics in time

[humble anvil]

They gotta let Jimmy cook numbers all day every day until shit is good fr fr

[azure fulcrum]

I think the TTK should be at least the same as their laser equivalant no?

[humble anvil]

I think so

[azure fulcrum]

that would be a start at least.. and up the ammo count

[humble anvil]

We pay a price and the price is reloading and ammo costs

[azure fulcrum]

and the reward is the ability to take out ship components quicker

[humble anvil]

Maybe Chris is the problem lol

[azure fulcrum]

because of shield penetration and armor penetration

[azure fulcrum]

how so?

because he doesn't care and we barely see him anymore?

[humble anvil]

We don't know what he's telling the devs

If he's even there

[azure fulcrum]

I don't think anyone dares to go against him

if there is anyone there that wants to fix the balancing he's probably getting denied by management

[humble anvil]

He could wake up one day sayz yeah energy is mathematically the best in every way, it melts steel. And ballistics hit steel and reduce damage z but shields should also stop Ballistics

[azure fulcrum]

the only theory I can come up with tbh, the leadership just doesn't care about the quality of gameplay

[humble anvil]

$$$$$

[azure fulcrum]

so there is no effort to coordinate and prioritize fixing it

and some person with no passion for the game probably getting paid peanuts is in charge of the XML stats lol

[humble anvil]

I need to check something

[azure fulcrum]

I think this SCL they also said that communication within CIG is a big problem

nobody knows what is happening in the other teams

[humble anvil]

630 m/s Ballistics speed for Perseus likely

Hit like a fucking tank

[azure fulcrum]

if it has like 10k range and it's only 600m/s velocity wouldn't it be real hard to even hit a moving polaris or something?

from that range

[humble anvil]

Correct unless they quite literally give it no drop off

Because after 2km it would fall off in space

[azure fulcrum]

cause its supposedly good against subcaps and those are even smaller and faster

and you ain't hitting shit with that velocity at 10k range

cuz the s8s will have massive range

[humble anvil]

It's just what I'm looking at

Every size up speed goes down

Even for lasers

[azure fulcrum]

yeah that is true

except for the railgun and le idris beam

especially the railgun is meant for long range

if perseus just gets regular cannons its more of a brawler than long range engager

IDK just theorizing here

[humble anvil]

If they want the Perseus to be a sub cap killer and only a sub cap

It has to be slow

[azure fulcrum]

wasn't perseus mentioned to be a long range engagement vessel?

[humble anvil]

Idk but the gun says yes

Long range battlefield equalizer

[azure fulcrum]

the more I think about it the harder it is to get the balancing right for this

I think we might be screwed lol

[azure fulcrum]

yeah so it needs sufficient velocity to track targets from long range

[humble anvil]

Projectile speed too fast it will hit light fighters

Too slow it falls off a cliff

[azure fulcrum]

hmm I mean it has to be close to hitscan velocity at such a long range

I think even 800-1000m/s would be fine

light fighters are hard to hit from long range

[humble anvil]

But they could also give it surprise!!! No bullet drop off

[azure fulcrum]

also they can balance it by making the turret rotation axis slower

🤷‍♂️

[humble anvil]

Really slow, hit like a mach truck

[azure fulcrum]

by making it slower its harder to track light fighters

[humble anvil]

Also that

[azure fulcrum]

if the light fighter decides to get in front of the firing arc

its his fault

[humble anvil]

You see how slow ai turn on minigun?

[azure fulcrum]

I think nerfing velocity is the wrong way to go theres other ways to deal with this

[azure fulcrum]

yeah lol

[humble anvil]

Perseus turret

Hit like a fucking mach truck

Sub Cap killer literally

[azure fulcrum]

it's a big ass heavy turret it makes sense for it to move slow

[humble anvil]

Yep

[azure fulcrum]

heavily armored

[humble anvil]

And I want CIG to play into that so bad.

No offense if you don't think the same

[azure fulcrum]

I do

they need to balance it somehow I agree it shouldn't be able to take on light fighters easily lol

unless they fly in front of it 😉

[humble anvil]

Truly, it should go super slow for long range engagements where CQB is annoying

[azure fulcrum]

yeah

[humble anvil]

Give it the power, the range, speed, to do what it is designed to do

Long range equalizer

But again they could give it 700 meters, and give it no drop off

Space magic... And it'll hit big stuff

[azure fulcrum]

10k range and 5k speed on the fricking railgun

[humble anvil]

Yerp

[azure fulcrum]

great for long range engagements

not so good against small fighters

not that I'm aware of?

[humble anvil]

PDCs

[azure fulcrum]

it's really hard to hit when you have such low RPM

[humble anvil]

Ah and we need to talk about bloom too

Who knows what the fuck they'll do there

[azure fulcrum]

bloom?

[humble anvil]

Deviation in bullet accuracy

Expect it to go straight to sitting still but bloom is like a random deviation

So it could go to the right or left

[azure fulcrum]

making it harder to hit fighter size targets

another balancing mechanism

[humble anvil]

Well

[azure fulcrum]

the railgun has really low spread 0.2

[humble anvil]

I'm hoping they make the Medusa a little electromagnetically assisted barrel to ensure pin mark accuracy

"lore" to give it the stats it needs

"the missile knows where it is from where it isn't"

Like a gyro stabilizer but for bullet

[azure fulcrum]

hmmm I realize I want the medusa's to be close to the idris railgun stats

railgun makes sense to take down larger ships

[humble anvil]

A 2x s8 on a turret for 1 person for PvE

Fun sniping

Alt fire too

[azure fulcrum]

that would be so fun

[humble anvil]

They could give it Railgun but alter damage and cool down

Get a little

Alt fire funny going

Railgun repeater

[azure fulcrum]

lmao

or a S8 flak cannon? XD

[humble anvil]

With a slow ass turret speed

[azure fulcrum]

just tear everything to shreads in a giant cloud of death

lmao

[humble anvil]

Yah know

Chaff is probably

The closest thing to a flak FX

[azure fulcrum]

oh yeah it looks cool

[humble anvil]

I sleep

[azure fulcrum]

me too its 4am

[humble anvil]

So apparently

Shield modifiers do nothing because old tech is still existing

So the changes aren't doing anything?

Except hull reduction

Idk

[azure fulcrum]

yeah could be a tech issue

[humble anvil]

See how it goes

[azure fulcrum]

because as you showed nothing has changed for TTK

[humble anvil]

Should have been a bit drastic

Substantial increase too

Yeah apparently

Absorption from ballistics doesn't even fuckin work

It's stuck at 33% reduction or something

[lone bloom]

I saw the Wolf quite frequently the last couple of days tbf but that may be because its a new ship (and the engine Sound is still nice)

[crystal sleet]

Ive been only using wolf since its release, ive loved it the whole time

[lone bloom]

soooo IT IS stronker in PTU now therefor?

[lone bloom]

I can see why - visually at least but combat wise its trash no?

[crystal sleet]

i find that it melts through light lighters and medium ships, still struggled against a valk a little so its decent

when the ballistics change comes online, its gonna shred

[lone bloom]

i mean its very likely not supposed to kill a valk in the first place to be fair

[crystal sleet]

yeah lol, but it shreds through a blade

[lone bloom]

im just still hopium that they cook a similar sound for percy engines

[crystal sleet]

I hope they do like a backfiring effect like on the hornets

[lone bloom]

backfiring effect?

[crystal sleet]

When the engine sorta lags and ignites multiple times before stayingbon

[eternal urchin]

red one is sick

really liked it

I would buy

[lone bloom]

Most of us are coping for a similar skin for perseus

[eternal urchin]

I believe there will be nice perseus skins at release

[lone bloom]

I hope so

Thats why I also don't get why people are rn going nutz for the basic looking preorder paint

[eternal urchin]

that's the only thing we have :D :(

[lone bloom]

but is it worth paying 50-200 bucks for it?

for a paint that originally cost 20?

and looks like a basic paint

[long gyro]

Some cool perseus paints on release would be sick

[lone bloom]

[long gyro]

I swear that's thundercloud

Right?

[lone bloom]

what?

the perseus paint yes

the left one is a random basic paint for weapons in Battlefield 4

[long gyro]

ohhhhh

[lone bloom]

Thats the joke behind it

Random basic paint any military game gives out for free

CIG: 20 bucks dear sir

Ebay scalpers and resellers: say no more, 200 bucks

[long gyro]

Solar bought one

tbf though it is hella rare

[lone bloom]

and?

[long gyro]

Hella rare and people want it

[lone bloom]

It may be rare, yes, but makes it look better ?

[long gyro]

Low supply high demand

[lone bloom]

NFT

[long gyro]

High prices

[long gyro]

At the moment

No customer or user skins in sc

[lone bloom]

The only usage I would have for that skin is to resell it

I don't put any worth on a paint that looks cheap

[long gyro]

That's a matter of opinion tho

[lone bloom]

Its like those stupid labubu or dubai chocolate hype stuff

[long gyro]

I really love how it looks

Same with the protector paint (although that isn't as expensive)

[long gyro]

Now those are dumb

[lone bloom]

The paint is also dumb

if you buy it just for the sake of having it

for 200 bucks

im not talking about the original price tag

im talking about the price tag it has rn

[long gyro]

Arguably it's the same as spending 3000 on a pixel shio though right?

Or any ship you can get with auec

[lone bloom]

it absolutely is

Thats why my total spending yet from my own money is 28 bucks

[long gyro]

You're just lucky enough to get other people to buy you stuff

[lone bloom]

Thats not totally correct

the only person that does that (and told multiple times not to) is rustle

and that did not even happen yet

All other stuff I got 'gifted' were either birthday stuff - christmas stuff - or 'payment' for work I did for orgs

Never won any kind of giveaway, nor got anything gifted for the sake of "just because" so far

wouldn't call that lucky then eh?

[eternal urchin]

hell no

[long gyro]

Wasn't aware of this, that's fair

[lone bloom]

Even participated in a giveaway where there were 5 winners (for furys) - and it got rerolled because one name was misspelled - I won in the first roll but not after the reroll

so i got nothing

[long gyro]

What

that is such a dumb reason to reroll lmao

[lone bloom]

Yep it is

but my complains were ignored xD

[long gyro]

Out of curiosity, what kinda stuff did you do for orgs and how much did they pay you? (am I allowed to ask that here?)

[lone bloom]

I mean also participated here for the Twitch YT banner stuff, was told from multiple sources that my one was clearly ahead of most others and the favourite, yet after some "missunderstandings" and toxic stuff that happened just before the winner announcement some stuff with absolutely 0 effort won suddenly (at least from my view)

[lone bloom]

Made Logos and Batches for them + Advertisement videos for YT

50-100 bucks^^

[long gyro]

Oh damn

How long would it take you to make?

[lone bloom]

what exactly lol

[long gyro]

And have you seen a decline in sales since people have started using AI for them?

[long gyro]

Something you would be paid that kinda money for (banner, logo, video?)

[lone bloom]

I do not offer it publicly or anything, I just made it because they asked me directly since I work as designer

And I was part of the org - at that time

[lone bloom]

I mean Logo depending on 'difficulty' 4-15 hours

Same for batches

Video can vary extremely

[lone bloom]

AI doesn't bother me at all - if people say its too expensive (50 bucks is actually also already extremely 'undersold') and prefer to go with something from etsy or such that costs 3€ and is fully AI made - go for it - i know the reasons why you shouldn't do it and that they will very likely come back to me within a few months

Ai stuff may work for random "game" orgs or something just fun related stuff - but surely not for anything corporated or serious stuff

[long gyro]

I mean not even paying for etsy, like using something made yourself on sora or something

[long gyro]

Yeah I would be inclined to agree with that

[lone bloom]

Well you do not have copyright on anything that AI creates

therefor its fully useless to use for anything to do with a serious group or company

let alone, that AI simply isn't able to make a professional logo

[long gyro]

I struggle to think of "serious" groups in sc. Even something like Medrunner which I would say is one of the most "serious" ones, is still fundamentally a group in a game...

[long gyro]

Yeah that's also fair

[lone bloom]

I mean the R/SC social media team had (apparantly) also an AI logo (dunno if they have it still)

And I did spot multiple errors

[long gyro]

So I have no experience or background in graphic design or anything remotely related to it so it doesn't take much to make me think "that looks nice" xD

[long gyro]

Like I wouldn't be one to spot errors or anything

[lone bloom]

Well it was simple stuff like not symmetrical and such

and offcenter etc

like - quite obvious stuff

[lone bloom]

I mean, meant in terms of serious group more likely something in RL, not SC, but yeah Medrunner would also benefite more from a professional one - but they I think also have a professional created one either way

I mean they even have a website (which is tbf clearly not professionally created) but still you can see they want to be serious at least

[long gyro]

Like I said before, looks good enough to me since I have no experience with it

😅

[lone bloom]

never said it looks bad

Its just simply the thing that there are design rules, and therefor someone who learned it can spot the difference between one who just does it for a hobby and someone who actually is trained for it

It can still look good - its just a thing of 'it could be better'

how did we get from Perseus skin/paint to fucking medrunner website

[long gyro]

The answer to that, is a simple one

I am an expert at derailing conversations and talking about completely random and/or unrelated shit

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-fair-enough-gif-26167449

should watch out some don't like it if you talk for a bit about something unrelated - even if it does not affect anyone So should stop the heresy and cope more about Perseus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1409323377990045748/PerseusPraise.gif

[long gyro]

Imagine the riots if the Perseus isn’t perfect lol

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-desk-flames-riot-down-with-homework-gif-12778212689976656977

[long gyro]

Might be bigger than if squadron 42 flops (jk if sq42 flops were all cooked)

[humble anvil]

Mhm

Don't get me wrong it doesn't need to be perfect, but I expect it to work pretty damn near it because: "Gold Standard" Newest Sub-capital we have gotten in a long time. It's price point.. it's functions and what was advertised in the past

Apollo drones is so fucking sad and with Perseus advertising with automation by default and being able to blade manned turrets as a fallback and I get it!!!! Development changes and they have a disclaimer that it could change at anytime

They're selling the concept with these features and if said features are not there

I'll be upset, but what severity

Might scrub myself of this game. I've never looked forward to a ship as much as the Perseus. If they fuck this over with stupid and I mean stupid choices... I don't know I might just stop playing.... Game already has a fundamental design problem with client authority. It's almost setup for failure but for a PvE game with MMO aspects it's good! Fuck me over and I'll just leave with my money

So they better not fuck the Perseus

[long gyro]

My god the fallout if they screw up Perseus might be nearly as big as if they mess up sq42

[humble anvil]

Think the biggest problem is PVP aspect of the game

Maybe not but they're definitely trying to ride a thin line

[humble anvil]

SOOO MANY

People

Have the Perseus

If the ship is mediocre the fallout will be immense I'm sure

It almost needs to release brokenly OP

Okay not OP

The key word is "good"

[long gyro]

It would be just like CIG to make up some bs about needing to nerf it because of "balancing" when they have already proven to hav thrown that kind of stuff out the window at the whim of players

[humble anvil]

Hammerhead go up in price too because of Gold standard

Probably 800$ hammerhead, $900 Perseus

Why does this make sense? ; Hammerhead kills below it. Perseus kills below it

[humble anvil]

Idris turret 6.2k alpha with 100rpm?

Ludicrous!!!!!!!!!

[lone bloom]

Thats probably what people also thought about polaris tho

and look how it released

[tawny fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1370950128046702592/S8PerseusPDCs.gif

[long gyro]

There are wayyy more people who care about and own the pers

[humble anvil]

@lone bloom

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

new edit dropped

[humble anvil]

🥰

It do be a banger

[humble anvil]

@long gyro @tawny fern @azure fulcrum

[tawny fern]

[coarse cloud]

bruh

MY EARDRUMS

[long gyro]

I watched it on 0 volume and wondered what the fuss was about lol

[humble anvil]

Perseus content

[lone bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1396906627520790538/me_when_i_fucking_get_you.gif

[humble anvil]

Praise Perseus

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-side-eye-cat-side-eye-orange-cat-staring-gif-4749659952322810298

[humble anvil]

what are you dm'ing?

[lone bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-gif-22899488

[coarse cloud]

RIP

[humble anvil]

alt fire mechanic

This one

$900 ship

[tawny fern]

god that video is so freaking cool

[humble anvil]

ye just wanted to show what the perseus turret will be like

[tawny fern]

ohhhhhhhh

these past few weeks ive been reading u talk about how they'll put the s3's on top of the main guns

im like wat

now i see

[humble anvil]

you can legit see the drumbag, and barrel of a gatling

its like a TMSB-5

but not as big

[tawny fern]

i thought the s8 and s3 would operate independently but

[humble anvil]

they could be S2

lol

[tawny fern]

what ship is the guy on in the video?

[humble anvil]

Javelin i thinky

[tawny fern]

yeah

[humble anvil]

@lone bloom Apollo is hereeee

[lone bloom]

Show me the goods

[humble anvil]

i dont own one so i cant pull it

[lone bloom]

i mean pollo gives good estimation on how galaxy one will look likely

and obviously additionally possible used assets that are shared between pollo and perseus

[humble anvil]

ye

[lone bloom]

waiting for one of random livestreamers to load in

to dump stuff that percy might get

what if

pollo has also a cool engine sound, would mean percy gets it too

@humble anvil apollo can retract railings around its personal elevator

soooo maybe we don't have to worry about percy elevator railings

Pilot also has remote controll ability of remote turret - maybe percy pilot gets same ability for its two "PDC" like turrets?

4x S2 shields good sign for percy

[humble anvil]

apollo original concept had 2x s2 shields

[lone bloom]

PERSEUS 4x S3 SHIELDS CONFIRMED?!

lmao

[lone bloom]

yeah that entire area is new no?

the entire area "infront" of the rooms

aka the whole engineering part

[humble anvil]

oh its fucking clean

[lone bloom]

did you saw the entrance?

[humble anvil]

yes

[lone bloom]

its literally the fucking airlock thing

[humble anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjVsFLJeyY

[lone bloom]

thats so weird

yeah watching the same stream

literally thought its the percy

[humble anvil]

its cleaaan

[lone bloom]

i don't like the scholor scheme personally

[humble anvil]

very well light

[lone bloom]

the light blueish

[humble anvil]

the view

[lone bloom]

but thats just me

[humble anvil]

brooo

oh its off tilt

DIGUSTING

hold up

engines

[lone bloom]

you're behind

xD

it has also rough metallic sound

[lone bloom]

Perseus will cook

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

tbf he was exterior as he started the engines

but dunno what i should think of the engines on there don't raelly like them idk

Perseus will be so good

they can't fuck this up after that

it has new MFDS

[humble anvil]

ye

meteor got em

[lone bloom]

RSI specific mfds?

[humble anvil]

think so yeah

[lone bloom]

I like

its all coming together

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

Also Rustle

imagine

If Perseus upsize....

S6 Torpedos?

[humble anvil]

the speeds all the same

[lone bloom]

but the elevator tho

I want in Perseus

[humble anvil]

i want to see elevator

[lone bloom]

he showing

rn

[humble anvil]

cargo grid is good

we're good

holy fuck

[lone bloom]

it lowers down a glass thing around the elevator if it goes exterior

and has retractable railings

[humble anvil]

it has a little cargo elevator i think

[lone bloom]

i mean looks like nobody found it yet so far then xD

[humble anvil]

its def bigger than a connie

lmao

man its so fucking open

errmmmmm

so fucking hot

Perseus docking Collar

[lone bloom]

i mean perseus docking collar would be wider no?

[humble anvil]

maybe

maybe not

[lone bloom]

but I like the sliding doors

on the medbays

but can tell they used many assets from the zeus

[grave canyon]

i dont like the combined airlock and ramp tbh

[lone bloom]

dude saying "i think this is for the drones not cargo"

Meanwhile the floor

[humble anvil]

Perseus $900 ship for sure

ASMR gasmic this ship

so many 'kachhhhhh

Ssss...

[lone bloom]

okay i mean for me its kinda clearly now they beefed up the perseus bridge section because of more components

i mean they doubled it on the apollo

[humble anvil]

4x S3 inc

[lone bloom]

very likely by now

at least 3

[humble anvil]

god damn dude apollo is fucking gorgeous

The bridge makes me want to kms though

[lone bloom]

[humble anvil]

Off Center shiiiit but gonna have to love it

[lone bloom]

well percy its centered

at least in concept

the engine sound

[humble anvil]

Engine is okay, its a little b-bpew

but significantly smaller

sounds like meteor

still good!

[lone bloom]

I mean it still sounds better than the majority of ships xD

maybe they make it heavier sounding on the percy

since it has larger engines and 4 of them?

this dude be like:

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480

[humble anvil]

its like a Zeus

with thrusters

[lone bloom]

the boost thrust sound

https://tenor.com/view/insanity-popolo-koko-snail-sweep-gif-10300625954161930026

[humble anvil]

yEAH

thats

nice

[lone bloom]

CIG

Make it happen

[humble anvil]

Perseus gonna sound very punchy

[lone bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1409323377990045748/PerseusPraise.gif

[humble anvil]

ughhhhhh

you hear the b0000st?

[lone bloom]

BB--bbBBRRRRR

[humble anvil]

🤤

[lone bloom]

CIG probably just employeed the sound designers from Elite

[tawny fern]

man this is a big ship

[lone bloom]

wait

hold up

stock flight blade?

[humble anvil]

its just the flight blade for the hud n shit

[lone bloom]

WAIT

[south spoke]

thats such a huge jump from the 675 it is now, really think theyll do that?

[humble anvil]

me? Yes

Hammerhead upgrade to 800 with its "update"

[lone bloom]

??

first ship with a life support?

[humble anvil]

its non functioning but ye its the heart on mfd

[lone bloom]

ngl the red paint for triange looks way better than the medivac one

not like i would care won't use that ship myself

because galaxy

BOY HE THICK compared to connie

[humble anvil]

bro

they only made medivac like 8k more HP over Triage

[lone bloom]

Imagine how they would have beefed up the percy

[south spoke]

oh damn i wasnt aware the hammerhead went up like that sheesh

[humble anvil]

but medivac have "more armor"

[south spoke]

also DAMN that is wide

[lone bloom]

Apollo freaking fat

[humble anvil]

they havent updated hammerhead price or anything but

hammerhead is getting a little "brought up to standard" update

[south spoke]

ah

[lone bloom]

Just say

Gold Standard

maybe also fixxing its underwhelming poor combat performance

[humble anvil]

tbh they gold standard if turret blades are sold at IAE

because everyone will buy the hammerhead

[lone bloom]

rustle its not even the boost sound lmao

its the normal thrust sound xD

[humble anvil]

engine off what the fuck

[lone bloom]

Even with turret blades i won't

fuck the hammerhead

[humble anvil]

I wont

[lone bloom]

praise perseus

Hammerhead hunting time

same for polaris and idris

so percy also gets i think yellow tinted glass no?

since i just saw it on the pollo and so far ik concept wise percy has it too?

at least with stock paint

[humble anvil]

who inspected the ship

[lone bloom]

wdym

[humble anvil]

the sticker

[lone bloom]

which sticker

[humble anvil]

i think on the coffee machine

there is a sticker

nice ass ship but the HP is worry