#Perseus Pals
crystal sleet
steel sparrow
What is the “pipeline”
humble anvil
leak discord
steel sparrow
🥵
nocturne raft
perseus for iae huh
humble anvil
steel sparrow
Any asshole with Perseus info is a good asshole
lone bloom
humble anvil
its not my cup of tea but knowing perseus is coming with S8 guns.. i can wait
steel sparrow
Unless it’s fake
humble anvil
more time for them to also upscale the S3 turrets
lone bloom
Polaris after knowing that the Perseus gets also an upgunn:
humble anvil
feel bad for the sod that sold me a LTI Perseus for $350 loool
steel sparrow
With 4 pdc I doubt it
humble anvil
yoink
crystal sleet
perseus for iae huh
If it means upgunned main guns and ai blades, its a wait im willing to commit
lone bloom
If it comes with IAE pretty sure we will get AI Blades till then
nocturne raft
If it means upgunned main guns and ai blades, its a wait im willing to commit
oh im fine with it. i need to finish my chain before its out so i can enjoy it day 1 with every1 else
lone bloom
Tbf guys, the upgun could also be the thing to buff sells and nerfed later just saying
nocturne raft
confirms what was expected tho, the turrets are remote turrets and not pdcs
crystal sleet
Itll be enough time for me to find a forklift job and start saving for... another perseus i guess
steel sparrow
Up gunning it s8 make my money feel so much worthy
humble anvil
Perseus is about to be 800$ lol
lone bloom
confirms what was expected tho, the turrets are remote turrets and not pdcs
We did know that those are not 'Pdcs' they are listed as remote turrets but with the same capabilities of PDC's
crystal sleet
Remember the people who said the perseus would be either useless or underpowered?
nocturne raft
dual. bespoke. s8. ballistic. cannons tho
lone bloom
They did not said bespoke
They said replaced with S8 Hardpoints
Hardpoint =/= bespoke
steel sparrow
Perseus is about to be 800$ lol
Wait until they announce that Percy is the new smallest cap ship
nocturne raft
We did know that those are not 'Pdcs' they are listed as remote turrets but with...
oh i know that, but people who read the original faw cos it said ai controlled or whatever it was were convinced theyd be just s3 turrets that were pdcs
crystal sleet
So it still could be s8 pucks for a dual s7 gun turret, but the wording feels specific
lone bloom
oh i know that, but people who read the original faw cos it said ai controlled o...
AI controlled if not controlled by crew via remote
nocturne raft
They said replaced with S8 Hardpoints
doesnt mean the cannons themselves arent bespoke
the heartseeker turret on the superhornet 2 is bespoke yet can be changed out
lone bloom
crystal sleet
Wait until they announce that Percy is the new smallest cap ship
"Expect a slight increase in its dimensions"
stretches the model out by 100m
lone bloom
Remember the people who said the perseus would be either useless or underpowered...
"useless or underpowered": screams in dual S8
nocturne raft
AI controlled if not controlled by crew via remote
i mean, im not the 1 u should be trying to convince. i always thought theyd just be s3 remote turrets that came with blades by default. some people were convinced they were just s3 pdcs
steel sparrow
Is it like 100m rn
lone bloom
i mean, im not the 1 u should be trying to convince. i always thought theyd just...
Pretty stupid from those people then xD
nocturne raft
i agree
steel sparrow
"useless or underpowered": screams in dual S8
It’s alpha dps gonna be weaker than size 1 guns
lone bloom
But its normal star citizens players cannot read
It always been marketed as remote turrets but by stock AI controlled causing them to be "like" pdcs
cursive drum
steel sparrow
Bro’s late
crystal sleet
"useless or underpowered": screams in dual S8
lone bloom
took him an hour
steel sparrow
What’s the leak dc name again?
nocturne raft
man i cant get over that if its true
lone bloom
https://tenor.com/view/battleship-gif-26936399
cursive drum
Ok but I’m still reeling over this.
crystal sleet
https://tenor.com/view/space-battleship-yamato-gif-26236691
This is the new supposed actual battleship they said was in the works
crystal sleet
Ok but I’m still reeling over this.
AN ACTUAL FUCKING BATTLESHIP, ITS GONNA BE MY FIRST CAP SHIP
steel sparrow
Didn’t they say the Jav would be the largest player own ship?
cursive drum
No!
cursive drum
Didn’t they say the Jav would be the largest player own ship?
Yes!
Exactly!
And it should be!
crystal sleet
Didn’t they say the Jav would be the largest player own ship?
Nuh uh! [Delusional]
cursive drum
I bought the largest ship!
cursive drum
AN ACTUAL FUCKING BATTLESHIP, ITS GONNA BE MY FIRST CAP SHIP
Why??
nocturne raft
didnt the leak talk about battlecruiser?
lone bloom
ANVIL RETRIBUTION
@crystal sleet its becoming reality
steel sparrow
You know what else is large?
crystal sleet
<@269611480452825089> its becoming reality <:yeah:954999101223743499>
Cant wait to drop and influx on them xenothreat
cursive drum
didnt the leak talk about battlecruiser?
Battle Bengal? Oh… huh.
nocturne raft
lone bloom
Cant wait to drop and influx on them xenothreat
crystal sleet
didnt the leak talk about battlecruiser?
Yeah the leak mentioned the battlecruisers but also specifically stated battleship
nocturne raft
wonder if the battlecruiser will be bigger
lone bloom
Tbf
nocturne raft
lone bloom
could also be the battlecruiser variant
of the bengal
Which is smaller than the bengal
crystal sleet
Battle cruiser would be smaller imo
lone bloom
but clearly larger than the javelin xD
nocturne raft
theres going to be so much complaining about it
crystal sleet
Imagine if they just took inspiration from the Space Battleship Yamato anime series
steel sparrow
Ai crew gotta work:(
nocturne raft
Imagine if they just took inspiration from the Space Battleship Yamato anime ser...
i have the blue ray of the cg film. its so good
ai janitor maybe
lone bloom
lone bloom
7650 damage per turret shot...
the S8?
crystal sleet
i have the blue ray of the cg film. its so good
I wish places in my area stocked up on Yamato merch, all i got here are scale models
nocturne raft
the alpha damage on those guns is going to be sexual
crystal sleet
S10 tachyon cannons
nocturne raft
imagine a poor fighter flying infront and taking the shot by accident
literally disintegrated
humble anvil
i geuss it depends on how they'll scale it... bespoke weapons and all.. could be way less. but following how they scale the sizes... its 7650 alpha
steel sparrow
The turret rotation speed tho……
crystal sleet
imagine a poor fighter flying infront and taking the shot by accident
Like the Gundam Unicorns beam magnum where just being in the vague vicinity of its fire would vaporise you
lone bloom
The turret rotation speed tho……
Its not supposed to kill fighters tho
so why care
Aslong it can track stuff like connies
nocturne raft
yeh its meant to be taking shots at large ships and bigger
steel sparrow
Imagine struggling to track Connie
crystal sleet
Also we are forgetting that theyre working on a new class for weapons too, BEAM WEAPONS
nocturne raft
"why cant i take out light fighters in my perseus. this game sucks"
lone bloom
Also I still think the Perseus will handle like a tank, the pilot has to support the turret via movement of the ship so it can "rotate" faster
steel sparrow
"why cant i take out light fighters in my perseus. this game sucks"
Me fr
nocturne raft
i wonder tho
steel sparrow
Also I still think the Perseus will handle like a tank, the pilot has to support...
Makes sense
crystal sleet
"why cant i take out light fighters in my perseus. this game sucks"
"Too close for guns, switching to tactical knife"
lone bloom
Makes sense
And if you include that strategy pretty sure you can partially also track fighters
nocturne raft
considering the perseus is meant to be heavily armoured, if it means we`ll be getting the first version of maelstrom by the time its out then
nocturne raft
"Too close for guns, switching to tactical knife"
give me ramming speed!
steel sparrow
And if you include that strategy pretty sure you can partially also track fighte...
Or just snipe em
crystal sleet
considering the perseus is meant to be heavily armoured, if it means we`ll be ge...
Them heavy armoured ships gonna be a real pain in the ass for fighters now
lone bloom
considering the perseus is meant to be heavily armoured, if it means we`ll be ge...
Yep saw somewhere that mealstrome is 60 or 80% done and will be implemented soon
nocturne raft
little did they know, the tactical knife is the perseus itself
nocturne raft
Them heavy armoured ships gonna be a real pain in the ass for fighters now
good
fighters should be bouncing off larger ships
lone bloom
Wasn't there also a mentioning of that small guns will not be able to harm heavy armored ships?
And only do minor damage
lone bloom
Nah recently today
steel sparrow
I soloed my Polaris into vandual swarm and tanked until wave 48 until one exploded
nocturne raft
oh i dno about that
crystal sleet
good
Gonna look like that scene in All Quiet On The Western Front where the germans encounter the first french tanks
lone bloom
But yes at citizenscon they also said small bullets will just "bounce off"
steel sparrow
I soloed my Polaris into vandual swarm and tanked until wave 48 until one explod...
And it has “light” armor
nocturne raft
Gonna look like that scene in All Quiet On The Western Front where the germans e...
lol good analogy
nocturne raft
ud think
steel sparrow
lone bloom
Unless Heavy Sub Cap = Light cap
nocturne raft
i imagine theyre close
lone bloom
Perseus 1 Million hull HP?! xD
nocturne raft
the percy has to be tough enough to survive somewhat against cap ship armaments after all
nocturne raft
otherwise it wouldnt be able to fulfil its role at harassing them and blowing off components
lone bloom
Perseus becoming literally WW2 Tiger
crystal sleet
the percy has to be tough enough to survive somewhat against cap ship armaments ...
Just like 10 glancing shots from the javelin main guns and its over
steel sparrow
Perseus becoming literally WW2 Tiger
I’m pretty sure Percy is for anti sub cap not for cap
nocturne raft
Perseus becoming literally WW2 Tiger
"sorry guys i cant carry on the fight, the engine failed"
lone bloom
crystal sleet
Perseus becoming literally WW2 Tiger
Powerful, and its gearbox [fuses] constantly breaking
nocturne raft
I’m pretty sure Percy is for anti sub cap not for cap
its meant for punching at cap ships as well
crystal sleet
In a group yeah
lone bloom
I’m pretty sure Percy is for anti sub cap not for cap
It may not win against a javelin, but its upgunning to S8 makes it 100% anti cap
nocturne raft
it aint gonna be soloing caps, but itll be capable of fucking em up something fierce
pine root
nocturne raft
and as soon as we get physical shield emitters and stuff
lone bloom
crystal sleet
WELCOME TO THA PARTAY
nocturne raft
percy gonna be a high prio target in any fleet battle
lone bloom
Work less cope harder
nocturne raft
a percy should be able to strip a cap ship of all external components
pine root
Work less cope harder
crystal sleet
percy gonna be a high prio target in any fleet battle
Despite escorting the main flag ship, we gon feel like the IJN Yamato during her final mission
lone bloom
Honestly Polaris will be in big danger now
humble anvil
Can you guys say... Perseus with 25 RPM on the turrets doing... 22950 per turret?
floral rapids
Wait so are the turrets still bespoke but upped in size?
lone bloom
Yes probably
humble anvil
Prob bespoke, but possible that we get an upgrade kit in the future
nocturne raft
Despite escorting the main flag ship, we gon feel like the IJN Yamato during her...
pretty much
crystal sleet
nocturne raft
Wait so are the turrets still bespoke but upped in size?
it seems like the hardpoints are upgraded, the guns are likely still bespoke
lone bloom
There is just one very Bad thing about that buff
It means its getting more expensive ingame 
nocturne raft
s8. ballistic. cannon. bespoke ammunition
steel sparrow
Imagine we need a upgrade kit for it to turn s8
nocturne raft
foggy beacon
wait is it actually for real?
pine root
wait is it actually for real?
steel sparrow
Maybe John is just trolling
pine root
Maybe John is just trolling
Yeah could be
foggy beacon
oh wait, s8 hardpoint doesn't mean s8 gun
pine root
But damn that s8 sounds good
nocturne raft
oho arm time for torps
foggy beacon
cause the damn starfarer have s10 hardpoint or something
humble anvil
If the Perseus can only shoot 12 rounds per minute.. it would do a STAGGERING, 17,212 Alpha Damage
nocturne raft
ayo, hammerhead gamers winning??
lone bloom
oh wait, s8 hardpoint doesn't mean s8 gun
Yes but the wording was "replaced"
humble anvil
PER GUN
humble anvil
1 Round per gun every 5 seconds
pine root
I really hope that S8 upsize means the ship got bigger
lone bloom
How much HP has a polaris engine?
foggy beacon
true
pine root
And because of it being bigger now it has medbay and cargo
foggy beacon
upsize the percy and give it medbay
pine root
If it's not bigger, it will look odd
pine root
MOAR
steel sparrow
YES
lone bloom
pine root
humble anvil
EAch engine on the Polaris is 45k
lone bloom
Rip polaris
steel sparrow
Polaris is cooked
pine root
YASSSS
nocturne raft
all those solo polaris are gonna be tasty
floral rapids
I would love a similar sized Perseus with just, gargantuanly dorky turrets sticking out of it
Actual civil war gunboat vibes
True to its original inspiration
nocturne raft
its a good direction. we dont want to happen what happened to the hammerhead
nocturne raft
where it had 1 specific purpose but it just cant fulfil it
nocturne raft
the percy NEEDS to be able to be a subcap hunter and also punch at cap ships
otherwise its pointless
steel sparrow
The Power creep is starting
nocturne raft
if that turret buff is actually meaningful, a hammerhead/percy combo meal is going to be disgustingly strong
lone bloom
THat means i have to reprint my perseus
And Iris too
AI Blades confirmed next
after Avionic (flight) blades
nocturne raft
checks out
gives em what
4/5 months to get em done for percy release
assuming its going to just release with 2 of em
lone bloom
AI Blades - year of stability - potentially basebuilding T1
Perseus
Ironclad
This year is the year boys
nocturne raft
big year
nocturne raft
tbf they couldnt just stop making stuff for a year
if anything all it really meant was "we`ll spend more time getting stuff working"
lone bloom
I mean tbf
ILW is still dissappointing - ship wise
But IAE will drop huge bombs because of that
Just makes me now more sad that I don't have a perseus pledged
nocturne raft
eh depends what ur after
as a guardian enjoyer the mx sounds awesome
i was sold on the tac when it was announced
mtc couldnt care about
and dont know enough about the asgard but it looks cool
none of them will compare to the percy release, but still some cool stuff otherwise imo
humble anvil
and im setting up another table for my niece so she can play SC with me. She'll be my turret goblin
loool
lone bloom
eh depends what ur after
Combat ships
But with the ability to carry cargo from killed bounties etc
And none of them offers something good
nocturne raft
the tac no?
lone bloom
and im setting up another table for my niece so she can play SC with me. She'll ...
I thought I gonna crew the turret till I can afford my own ingame percy 
Tac got same pilot weaponry
and loses most of its cargo
so it would be an downgrade
humble anvil
You can, when shes not around xdd
lone bloom
compared to the max*
cursive drum
theres going to be so much complaining about it
Myself included!
nocturne raft
Myself included!
oh id expect it from our number 1 solo cap ship enthusiast
crystal sleet
Also just realised, the info might be from the leaks discord, the source is from a live event, so these arent not just leaks, these are FACTS
lone bloom
TAC does get more protection tho
a few thousand more hull hp not worth what it costs
crystal sleet
The bejing bar citizen event
foggy beacon
double the shield
nocturne raft
The bejing bar citizen event
oh really?
nocturne raft
if u got 2 friends, the tac seems like the perfect bounty mission running ship
foggy beacon
ya
cursive drum
oh id expect it from our number 1 solo cap ship enthusiast
Will it be pledgeable is the question.
nocturne raft
Will it be pledgeable is the question.
depends if they considering bengal level or not i guess. if not then no
foggy beacon
probably gonna be extremely limited
crystal sleet
if u got 2 friends, the tac seems like the perfect bounty mission running ship
Thats until the perseus drops, then those two friends and Wave can move into the perseus
foggy beacon
I have my own Perseus too lol
crystal sleet
*I have my own Perseus too lol*
Exactly
foggy beacon
and that would be the perfect ship
strong armor and guns with decent cargo space
there ain't gonna be much better stuff
nocturne raft
if the new ship is significantly bigger than the jav, id expect it to be craft only
cursive drum
if the new ship is significantly bigger than the jav, id expect it to be craft o...
Which will suck.
nocturne raft
nah its good
having ships be only earnable from the highest levels of rep then need to be crafted is good for endgame chasing
foggy beacon
yeah
nocturne raft
having only the bengal as "the" endgame ship is boring, so having a bigger pool is more interesting
foggy beacon
can't have a swarm of capitals running around constantly
the polaris stress testing proved it too
nocturne raft
yeh for sure
cap ships need to be a "we dont have it out all the time, and if we DO bring it out then shit has hit the fan"
like how titans are in eve
foggy beacon
ye
quaint scaffold
Damn no pioneer this year
foggy beacon
i rarely take out my loaner Polaris unless a hammerhead or another polaris shows up
or big org event going on
humble anvil
Perseus is the best ship in SC and i stand by it
BIG fuck u cannons to delete connies and above.
Small but good enough turrets + PDCs to kill everything below Connie
cursive drum
having ships be only earnable from the highest levels of rep then need to be cra...
Absolutely not. I pledged a Jav and want to keep it.
humble anvil
Plus Cargo. Not alot but Cargo. 🙂
lone bloom
And small crew, probably one of the best ships for most players
nocturne raft
Absolutely not. I pledged a Jav and want to keep it.
you will if u pledged it
but people who didnt buy 1 will have to earn it that way, via rep for the blueprint then craft it
cursive drum
Ok but I like it because it is the biggest.
steel thistle
sounds like it
steel thistle
AN ACTUAL FUCKING BATTLESHIP, ITS GONNA BE MY FIRST CAP SHIP
good luck crewing it 💔 personally idris will be my biggest
steel thistle
if the new ship is significantly bigger than the jav, id expect it to be craft o...
theyve been needing a 5k sale for a long time just saying
lel
it might be - instead of crafting a bengal with space stations its this new ship instead
type thing
this is fire tho
reef wind
Full of assholes tho
They banned me over a meme with no warning
steel thistle
They banned me over a meme with no warning <:kekl:888505420593889290>
you had it comin for posting memes in general
smh
reef wind
you had it comin for posting memes in general
They had a meme channel. How could I not?
steel thistle
how dare you
reef wind
But them size 8 guns have me like yoda in a 500 year K-hole
lone bloom
They banned me over a meme with no warning <:kekl:888505420593889290>
Welcome to the club
Was even an perma ban
reef wind
Same though
steel thistle
But them size 8 guns have me like yoda in a 500 year K-hole
it makes sense to me why theyd be make s8 but like
i have no clue why they decided that
reef wind
Because the eventual gun balancing requires it. To punch into capitals and maintain relative damage, the two size 8's per gun which overall is 4, allows it to combat ships well above its size.
size 4 guns being the minimum, size I think 16 being the maximum ever talked about (Obviously ones we can't use)
steel thistle
Because the eventual gun balancing requires it. To punch into capitals and maint...
i mean size 7 is way above size 4 or 5
and its got 4 of them
pretty strong
lone bloom
But 7 is the entry size of capital combat tho
everything beneath is still counted as fighter defense
steel thistle
the percy is not a capital fighter tho its for sub caps
reef wind
True but think of the perseus as a deterrent application of usage. It's a ship designed to screen out larger ships in a fleet
steel thistle
everything beneath is still counted as fighter defense
so the polaris s6 is fighter defence
lone bloom
yet the Ares are meant to kill capitals in swarms and they got also S7
vast lagoon
4 s8 guns do kinda hurt
lone bloom
so the polaris s6 is fighter defence <:kekw:875083074956820540>
The weaponry on the polaris is meant to defend itsself, not to attack, so, yes
steel thistle
4 s8 guns do kinda hurt
we dont know how bad we dont have any
steel thistle
the reason why it makes sense is cuz like why do all these non warships get size 8s
lone bloom
all? one
steel thistle
but s8 is pretty big for a Large
lone bloom
.-.
reef wind
Yes
vast lagoon
its designed to have big guns
steel thistle
And javelin has what? Size 10?
its also like 2.5x the size
reef wind
Jav is a destroyer lined with them
lone bloom
its also like 2.5x the size
and has like 20x the firepower xD
reef wind
Perseus is to protect it from sub cap to larger capitals
steel thistle
and has like 20x the firepower xD
20x the crew as well
lone bloom
why the discussion then xd
steel thistle
Perseus is to protect it from sub cap to larger capitals
its just gonna get wiped by a railgun or smth its supposed to be brawling with hammerheads and poking at caps weakpoints not soloing caps 💔
its gonna "protect it" for 3 shots from an idris
reef wind
its just gonna get wiped by a railgun or smth its supposed to be brawling with h...
Did you not read flight screen? It's meant to be in the midst of other ships 
steel thistle
why the discussion then xd
3k ship vs 700 ship
steel thistle
Did you not read flight screen? It's meant to be in the midst of other ships <:P...
yeah im sure you will have a javelin, idris, 4 perseus 25 fighters and 3 hammerheads in your fleet bro
gl getting the crew or in game funds for allat
reef wind
Think in terms of fleet composition right? Idris is a bulwark, Jav is a full dps mage, Perseus is the sniper ranger, HH is the barbarian. In a good mix, you get a great party. Alone and it is just early diablo
steel thistle
really its just gonna be used with an idris/hammerhead/polaris and maybe some smaller craft
reef wind
Polaris is the spellsword
steel thistle
cuz its alr too hard to get crew on anything a bit more than that
lone bloom
3k ship vs 700 ship
Real money value doesn't matter in terms of balance ingame
steel thistle
Polaris is the spellsword
if i was the UEE yeah it would be ideal
until a kingship comes and one shots everything except bengals
lone bloom
A 500 € skin in CS:Go makes you also not a godtier sniper
steel thistle
Real money value doesn't matter in terms of balance ingame
i mean it does you are paying for more ship more guns and stronger guns
reef wind
until a kingship comes and one shots everything except bengals
That's why they amassed a massive fleet to counter it
lone bloom
i mean it does you are paying for more ship more guns and stronger guns
And you get that so whats the issue? No way a percy is gonna kill a javelin
steel thistle
thats like saying the aurora compares to an idris if you are good enough
lone bloom
A polaris? Sure, a javelin surely not
steel thistle
And you get that so whats the issue? No way a percy is gonna kill a javelin
no you said that the javelin has loads of s7 and s10s
yes thats cuz its 3k
and the percy is not
reef wind
A perseus is not designed to kill the capitals alone. It's designed to support with a fleet.
Holy hell people don't read lol
steel thistle
That's why they amassed a massive fleet to counter it
yeah we never getting fleets like that
lone bloom
but s8 is pretty big for a Large
Yeah because of that
steel thistle
A perseus is not designed to kill the capitals alone. It's designed to support w...
there ARE no fleets in this game bro
steel thistle
Yeah because of that <:yeah:954999101223743499>
for a 100m ship 4 size 8s is alot yes
steel thistle
there ARE no fleets in this game bro
have you seen any? i havent
steel thistle
You forgot that leak wise it grew
yea probably 120m now
lone bloom
yeah don't see the issue with that
reef wind
There are right now. My buddies and I ran two full hammerheads, 12 fighters and a 5 man polaris
steel thistle
yeah don't see the issue with that
room for a medbay 😈
lone bloom
since compared to other ships that size, it only has "2" main turrets
reef wind
Granted it took time to get it ready but it's doable
AI blades and npc crew will make it easier
steel thistle
There are right now. My buddies and I ran two full hammerheads, 12 fighters and ...
thats like what id call a patrol
lone bloom
and those two have to balance out the dozens of turrets other ships have in that class
steel thistle
id send that to secure a planetary system lol
reef wind
thats like what id call a patrol
Well the jav and shit ain't ingame yet so what ya want lmao
lone bloom
Holy hell people don't read lol
Pretty normal here
steel thistle
Well the jav and shit ain't ingame yet so what ya want lmao
and if it was? it would be even smaller fleet unless you 5 manned that too
this the issue
they overexpanding on all these big ships
and time/money consuming features like restocking being 20mil, insurance
reef wind
lone bloom
I mean you need somewhere money sinks also economy probably gets a full rework with 1.0
steel thistle
mate when its 1.0 NOBODY is gonna be able to afford to use their caps
steel thistle
unless absolutely neccessary for defending their main org base
lone bloom
THats also probably the plan
steel thistle
or their shield relay in space
reef wind
Bases are going to be the main engame money maker for caps
steel thistle
THats also probably the plan
yes
lone bloom
The shield relays are pretty sure invulnerable
Since they are weekly/or monthly rewards
steel thistle
The shield relays are pretty sure invulnerable
isnt there 3 in pyro? and you have to fight over them? idk
thought they are contested for like rust or ark
lone bloom
You have to fight over them, but once you claimed one they are yours
for one week or month cannot remember
steel thistle
take the relay down then you can attack the base i guess
steel thistle
You have to fight over them, but once you claimed one they are yours
oh alr still stands then
every month 1 big capital battle
will be cool
humble anvil
wonder how expensiuve a perseus will be to operate.. surely not too bad.
lone bloom
You have to claim them once per month or week - after that your bases are safe from any attack even in zero security zones for said timeframe
steel thistle
1 week ill barely have my credits or ships reclaimed from the last one lol
jav with a 2 week claimer or smth 💔
lone bloom
wonder how expensiuve a perseus will be to operate.. surely not too bad.
Besides from the torpedos pretty sure still a big money maker since you can easily farm ERT's and VHRT's
steel thistle
wonder how expensiuve a perseus will be to operate.. surely not too bad.
i think it all comes down to whether they keep the bespoke ballistics or not
lone bloom
Polaris probably still too
steel thistle
because torps are mostly useless and even if they arent you can go without them
lone bloom
but anything bigger don't see at least current mission wise any usefullness
steel thistle
and run laser size 8s lol
humble anvil
yeah im sure perseus will have good staying power solo... but depending too how annoying they make engineering.... they cant make it too annoying because its going to piss alot of players off lol
lone bloom
Either way they wanted to add capital sized missions tho
that probably require you to bring your own capital/fleet
meaning they will make money with those missions - even if you bring your own capital
steel thistle
yeah im sure perseus will have good staying power solo... but depending too how ...
still not sure how they can make everyone happy with engineering
steel thistle
i think they need to take the fuck solo players approach bc why the hell is EVERYTHING getting automated and blades
humble anvil
if its a micro managing nightmare, it will piss alot of people off. prob see the regression of the game at that point
reef wind
Blades won't be as effective as players though
I think they said ai blades intentionally miss 60 something % of shots
humble anvil
better than not having something
steel thistle
Blades won't be as effective as players though
yes but 6 perseus with blades will probably still be more effective yk
reef wind
yes but 6 perseus with blades will probably still be more effective yk
Maybe but that's deploying 6 of them
lone bloom
IF you can blade main manned turrets
reef wind
If the main guns can be bladed, cool but you ain't hitting fighters with them
errant ice
I think they said ai blades intentionally miss 60 something % of shots
wont their drawback be the unability to pick targets?
steel thistle
and then
you get 30 guys all 1 manning a ship
worse for docking and hangar services
worse for server performance
worse for persistant wreckages
reef wind
Drawback is smaller ships can't be shot with the s8 and you miss a lot unless it's right infront of you
steel thistle
worse for the economy, balance and makes the game less incredible
reef wind
Even then, if it's right infront of you and it's a sub capital or capital you're boned anyways
steel thistle
turns it into eve online
steel thistle
If the main guns can be bladed, cool but you ain't hitting fighters with them
will you hit fighters anyway?
they just corkscrew and the polaris s6 turns at like inches so itll only be down from here
reef wind
will you hit fighters anyway?
With a person in it? Maybe if they're pretty good at it. Otherwise who knows till we get them
reef wind
It's all speculative until implemented and as any dev knows, things change on a dime as new things roll out
Perseus may get size 8's sure, but its effectiveness is speculative in the long run
Personally I feel like it's more inline with being a disabler vs a brawler
steel thistle
i think it’ll probably be size 8 hard point size 7 guns
and not bespoke
so you can run lasers
lone bloom
It may get S8 or S7 and its just an S8 hardpoint for the gimbels
reef wind
Hit key components and hull segments for larger ships to target vitals
steel thistle
instead of ammo types
steel thistle
instead of ammo types
because ammo types is just more work for them
might be worth just scrapping it and refining the types we have
like distortion, lasers, ballistics
steel thistle
distortion being better for shields and components disabling ships entirely like in star wars squadrons or smth, ballistics for shredding hull and lasers a balance between hull and shield damage while being able to restore shields, being the jack of all trades
cuz rn
distortions are useless
ballistics are meh
lasers just dumb broken good
because they are infinite and shred for some reason
steel thistle
yep so if they scrap ammo types for ballistics they can just work on the actual weapons yk
reef wind
Can't really balance guns until the larger ships are in
steel thistle
instead of fucking around with 10 types of ballistics
or 4 types
even so
more to mess around with
lone bloom
yep so if they scrap ammo types for ballistics they can just work on the actual ...
That would mean they scrap already finished work xD
Since ammo types are done since end 2024
steel thistle
why haven’t they released them
steel thistle
is it? why not just add a button in the vehicle manager
steel thistle
their whole game is a baindaid
with bandaid solutions
look at master modes
look at all of the gameplay
steel thistle
medical respawning at t3 beds
medical still being like t0 or t1
everything’s still t1 💔
lone bloom
Technically Cargo Hauling and Mining is T2 if not T3 by now
if you include physicalized Cargo, the mining gadgets we got for mining heads, also the difference between hand and ship mining (later including base mining)
steel thistle
with newer features
item recovery t0 💔💔💔
reef wind
events also pushed better syc and mission type ranges
steel thistle
if you include physicalized Cargo, the mining gadgets we got for mining heads, a...
all of those are qol and not really tier defining
they haven’t increased the tier of a gameplay loop for awhile
lone bloom
Perhaps, but they still impacted alot on said loops
steel thistle
a bit, that’s just making their game actually partly resemble a game
lone bloom
they haven’t increased the tier of a gameplay loop for awhile
Salvage
I'm still waiting for Bounty Hunting V2
Especially since they DID start working on it but didn't updated us anymore on it
steel thistle
Salvage <:yeah:954999101223743499>
3.18 that was made t0 still no t1
lone bloom
Never said it was upgraded
But it was implemented
And we will get a new gameplay loop this year
assumably
steel thistle
oh you were agreeing
steel thistle
more t0 shit that won’t be touched 🔥🔥🔥🔥
lone bloom
tbf i would be fine with medium buildings with the first phase
Since those are already quite big
steel thistle
I mean they have to touch it
yeah but they don’t have to go beyond t0 until whenever
they choose
they just do whatever they want
hop between projects
lone bloom
tbf basebuilding and crafting is extremely "required"
and important
Since it combines many game loops
lone bloom
and it’s still working
Well EA sells the same game every year
and its still working
suprised?
steel thistle
yes but people who buy EA games usually have the IQ of a banana
steel thistle
so i can see it working
lone bloom
Same as people who keep pledging here
And that does not include me 
Since I only paid 22 bucks in total
steel thistle
And that does **not** include me <:kekyou:754462889942974524>
its only you
lone bloom
and play since 2021
steel thistle
you’re the banana
steel thistle
lone bloom
yes but people who buy EA games usually have the IQ of a banana
But since you do shit on those people
how much have you pledged
I'm waiting 
humble anvil
yes but people who buy EA games usually have the IQ of a banana
i have an iq of a banana? ):
reef wind
i have an iq of a banana? ):
Yeah, We just didn't know how to tell you 
humble anvil
):
lone bloom
Not because we didn't want to
but because we didn't know how to explain it to a banana
reef wind
We had to peel the topic delicately
steel thistle
i have an iq of a banana? ):
i mean fifa players
steel thistle
how much have you pledged
60
steel thistle
no more than a fifa player spends on the game every year
they usually spend 300+ on fifa points as well
grave canyon
OMG PERCY 2X S8
steel thistle
to do it all next year!
lone bloom
OMG PERCY 2X S8
Another one late to the party
steel thistle
to do it all next year!
atleast next year we will still have our jpegs 💔💔
grave canyon
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
lone bloom
NFTs
steel thistle
they have to redo their teams all over
grave canyon
OH MY GOD 2X S8 AT IAE
steel thistle
is it not
lone bloom
and 4 PDCs
steel thistle
4 size 8s
grave canyon
that's huge man
grave canyon
no
steel thistle
1 gun on each turret
lone bloom
4 size 8s
Pretty sure they meant just generally the turrets by replacing the "turret with S8 hardpoints" so yes 4x8
lone bloom
15K
steel thistle
above 3 damage that’s for sure
grave canyon
holy moly
lone bloom
7.6~K per gun
grave canyon
we are about to shred so many polaris engines with these guns
humble anvil
OH MY GOD 2X S8 AT IAE
ikr
lone bloom
and +4 PDC's which are now confirmed
grave canyon
so 3 percy could kill a polaris in like a minute kek
steel thistle
man fuck size 8s i want subnautica 2
lone bloom
.-.
I am still convinced that one percy can kill a fully crewed Polaris
even before that buff
steel thistle
and +4 PDC's which are now confirmed
so much for the size 4 remotes tho i was most excited about that 💔
PDCs was what i was most excited for
and remotes going to s4
grave canyon
I am still convinced that one percy can kill a fully crewed Polaris
maybe not kill but easily take engines out
lone bloom
I mean PDC's got extremely buffed
lone bloom
maybe not kill but easily take engines out
taking the engines out is pretty much killing it
humble anvil
tmw polaris engine has 45k hp
lone bloom
Everything above taking out the engines is dependend on the ammo
like - how much ammo it has
steel thistle
now 1 percy has an actual fighting chance against a polaris
imo it shouldn’t really be able to do it solo but
cig being cig
lone bloom
imo it shouldn’t really be able to do it solo but <:hahhhhh:779384970958995486>
Polaris is not meant to 1vs1 fight Browlers
When do people understand that
steel thistle
let’s make the subcap capable of killing the caps
grave canyon
tmw polaris engine has 45k hp
that's a joke right no shot
steel thistle
Polaris is not meant to 1vs1 fight Browlers
it’s a brawler of a lower size bracket
lone bloom
Polaris? no
grave canyon
Polaris is not meant to 1vs1 fight Browlers
yes
steel thistle
of a lower size bracket
grave canyon
polaris is literally a fast attack torp ship
lone bloom
Yes and polaris isn't a brawler at all
humble anvil
60k for the main ones, left and right.
grave canyon
it's not a proper capital warship
humble anvil
45k on the small engines
grave canyon
60k for the main ones, left and right.
has to be a joke
steel thistle
now why should a 3 man ship kill a 7-12 man ship with ease
lone bloom
Polaris is NOT meant to fight against ships directly
grave canyon
they will at least 2-3x that when percy is out
lone bloom
technically its a 6 man ship
grave canyon
now why should a 3 man ship kill a 7-12 man ship with ease
because they're ships made to fight different things
lone bloom
not 3
grave canyon
it's not with ease
steel thistle
technically its a 6 man ship
who’s running a 6 man on that 😭
grave canyon
if you give the guy a chance to get most of his turrets on you or torp you at all you're screwed
you're going to have to work real hard on your spacing still
lone bloom
Polaris is meant to kill of wounded capitals - not to engage directly into combat unless those are smaller threats
humble anvil
they will at least 2-3x that when percy is out
Perseus will be the center of alot of hate....
grave canyon
Polaris is meant to kill of wounded capitals - not to engage directly into comba...
^^
grave canyon
Perseus will be the center of alot of hate....
yes
humble anvil
and alot of controversy
grave canyon
45k hp means 3 seconds per engine
so you take 20 seconds to take out all the engines, just get into a blindspot and horribly murder the polaris
humble anvil
lol
steel thistle
Polaris is meant to kill of wounded capitals - not to engage directly into comba...
i mean the percy should really be killing off wounded capitals or poking them and being annoying not just outright killing them on its own
grave canyon
they will buff that so polaris owners don't cry too much
lone bloom
I mean - not even the bengal pushed into the fight in SQ42 prolog because its also not meant to 1vs1 brawl
steel thistle
and alot of controversy
atp they’re making it a bit too strong for what it is
and a lot of people will not like it
but it’s fine next ship will come out and power creep it with 6 size 9s
the anvil competitor
or aegis who knows
humble anvil
what;'d we say 7.6k per gun, 15k per turret. 100 rpm With a staggering 22k if RPM was... 25?
grave canyon
i mean the percy should really be killing off wounded capitals or poking them an...
the polaris is more for scouting rather than actual head on head battles with capitals
lone bloom
i mean the percy should really be killing off wounded capitals or poking them an...
Polaris is still the weakest of all combat capitals tho - and also smallest - so small it was supposed to be a sub capital - they said the perseus is mainly focused about killing sub caps because its where its best at, but also lore wise took out bigger ships
grave canyon
the polaris is basically on the line where capitals and sub-caps meet, it's not really meant to fight anything that can destroy sub-caps or caps
lone bloom
the polaris is more for scouting rather than actual head on head battles with ca...
Its literally a bengal - command ship for smaller fleets (its even in its description) - and take out targets from a longer range
steel thistle
and this is the problem
the polaris is too weak
and useless
and the percy is power creeping it
being too strong
lone bloom
the polaris is too weak
The issue here is that you see more in the polaris than it is
steel thistle
neither are you supposed to run a percy solo
lone bloom
with the pdcs you quite frankly can run it solo but not against larger ships
meaning best you can do is probably medium risk targets
aka cutlasses
aslong you're solo
humble anvil
its so funny. people will complain the perseus is too strong.. uhhhh no its not, if you're in a polaris by yourself and a full crewed perseus shows up, yeah you're fucked.. but you have ample amount of time to quantum out... lol
steel thistle
The issue here is that you see more in the polaris than it is
nah it’s not good at all
grave canyon
neither are you supposed to run a percy solo
see the thing is the polaris is meant to be a patrol ship that's supposed to make sure nothing gets through, but that doesn't include capital ships. for that you'd use the idris for example. for cap ships all that the polaris is supposed to do is give them a hard time until reinforcements arrive if they aren't with the polaris already. you're supposed to run it with a hammerhead for getting smaller things off your back, and fighters.
humble anvil
players fail to realize they dont need to pick fights they know they have no shot at winning
if a fully crew polaris and a fully crew perseus was going up against each other, the polaris would win..
lone bloom
its so funny. people will complain the perseus is too strong.. uhhhh no its not...
tbf you're fucked in a polaris either way if someone shows up with an QED ship
humble anvil
the perseus would punch holes in it yes
grave canyon
while the perseus does benefit from having big fuck-you guns it's still cooked against a polaris actually running a fleet
steel thistle
its so funny. people will complain the perseus is too strong.. uhhhh no its not...
and if a full crewed polaris shows up and you’re in a perseus by yourself the roles will be reversed i don’t get this point
humble anvil
followed by the next point
grave canyon
first of all, the moment you add a fighter with rattler's into the polaris hangar, the perseus is going to be cooked %90 of the time unless it gets a jump on the polaris
enjoy 4 torps
humble anvil
Perseus sure will have lots of capabilities to punch up and down, but as the perseus will be bullied for being slow, it's engines will too be shot off
RN we need something to fight the polaris, and thats another polaris, or a Corsair copiumly, but the corsair will get blown out of the sky if the polaris its fully crewed
grave canyon
there will be many good ways to counter a perseus in a polaris, it's just that people won't do them and will cry over the perseus being too strong instead
lone bloom
first of all, the moment you add a fighter with rattler's into the polaris hanga...
Thats what people seem always to forget - polaris is mostly only good against other ships especially against ships that are an actual danger to itsself on long range combat, not if they get close because it is not a brawler
grave canyon
Thats what people seem always to forget - polaris is mostly only good against ot...
yes
it's literally a sniper
humble anvil
Perseus is going to put holes in the polaris, and the polaris doesnt need to stay around to find out.. pick n choose battles.
grave canyon
this is like asking "how can a guy with a knife kill a dude with a .50 bmg rifle"
steel thistle
Thats what people seem always to forget - polaris is mostly only good against ot...
is it gonna be able to do that if the percy has PDCs now and just smashes it with holes because it’s guns are massive for god knows why
humble anvil
In a perseus i will hardly ever want to get close to an idris.. fuck me sideways im scared
grave canyon
is it gonna be able to do that if the percy has PDCs now and just smashes it wit...
what does pdc's have anything to do with this
humble anvil
but we'll have to otherwise the railgun line up will be easy
lone bloom
is it gonna be able to do that if the percy has PDCs now and just smashes it wit...
Rattlers??? did you read at all what meg wrote?
grave canyon
just get a fighter with rattlers and coordinate your torps
do not be stupid and win
steel thistle
what does pdc's have anything to do with this
polaris’ thing is torps
grave canyon
no
steel thistle
yes
lone bloom
steel thistle
mb
i was thinking about pdcs because
you said what does pdcs have to do with this
grave canyon
polaris’ thing is torps
a fighter with 16 rattlers in the hangar and just coordinate
the pdc's aint doing shit
lone bloom
- the missiles the pilot of the polaris can fire
grave canyon
there are counters to it my man
lone bloom
you can literally missile spam with an polaris literally what its made for
grave canyon
but if you want your capital ship to kill a sub-cap with huge guns just because your ship is bigger and badder that's really never how these things were designed
lone bloom
and no ship has a chance against that
steel thistle
that’s if you’re running the right loadout, what if you’re using anything that isn’t a rattler loadout
humble anvil
ah man... when the idris P releases to the PU. which it will... I'm so excited to avoid that ship like the plague
grave canyon
that’s if you’re running the right loadout, what if you’re using anything that i...
why
humble anvil
dumb ass capital ship
grave canyon
why would you use anything than a rattler loadout
you do not need more missile damage in any form, you literally have a polaris
steel thistle
why would you use anything than a rattler loadout
like you’ve got a terrapin medical in there or a QED ship
lone bloom
that’s if you’re running the right loadout, what if you’re using anything that i...
Then you don't pick up the fight if you have not a good loadout to fight, if you know you have a bad loadout for the situation, its better of to run always or not?
humble anvil
Idris P having AI Blade Turrets on release about to piss so many people off lol
grave canyon
like you’ve got a terrapin medical in there or a QED ship
it's a fighter bay
and honestly if you've got something else in there then your fault
lone bloom
Fuck around find out
grave canyon
if you're expecting to engage anything that is a threat to you, then you should absolutely have a fighter with rattlers in there
steel thistle
Then you don't pick up the fight if you have not a good loadout to fight, if you...
so unless you have a 2nd ship the large ship is going to beat the capital-large ship
grave canyon
literally 0 question to it
grave canyon
so unless you have a 2nd ship the large ship is going to beat the capital-large ...
good thing the capital ship has a place for that 2nd ship
humble anvil
Perseus nerf to S6 because polaris pilots are butt hurt.. meanwhile they're gonna get railed by the idris soon tm
grave canyon
it's like well my retaliator with cargo modules cannot kill a hammerhead
steel thistle
they should’ve stuck with size 7s
lone bloom
so unless you have a 2nd ship the large ship is going to beat the capital-large ...
First of it, its designed to have an escort, literally, secondly, you still have worst case your pilot missiles to try to overwhelm pdcs of the enemy ship
steel thistle
their non existing balancing has gone worse
lone bloom
Perseus nerf to S6 because polaris pilots are butt hurt.. meanwhile they're gonn...
probably get railed by the idris first before the perseus has even a chance
grave canyon
well yes your retaliator with cargo modules ain't going to do anything to a hammerhead, that's why you have the torp modules. if you brought 2x cargo module retaliator to a hammerhead then boo hoo sucks to be you
humble anvil
Perseus slow ass is cooked
steel thistle
First of it, its designed to have an escort, literally, secondly, you still have...
every ship is “designed to have an escort” that doesn’t make it a better sorry excuse for a ship
humble anvil
i dont want to go anywhere near an idris in that thing lmaoo
grave canyon
they should’ve stuck with size 7s
it's arbitrary, only it's going to make the fight shorter tbh
steel thistle
still the polaris is booty
humble anvil
imma stick to bullying polaris, connies, etc
lone bloom
every ship is “designed to have an escort” that doesn’t make it a better sorry e...
Polaris has literally a hangar, to bring its escort
Don't see a hangar on the perseus
steel thistle
Polaris has literally a hangar, to bring its escort <:hahhhhh:779384970958995486...
yeah that gladius is gonna carry so hard
humble anvil
We gert an ursa roveR
oh ravit
you see they change the living quarters
its bunk beds now
lone bloom
yeah that gladius is gonna carry so hard
So far I know there fit alot more into than just a gladius xD
grave canyon
every ship is “designed to have an escort” that doesn’t make it a better sorry e...
What types of ships do you intend the Polaris to be strong against? What should it be weakest against?
Generally speaking, the Polaris is an ideal ship for taking on small/medium sized cap ships, and tactically should be used to get in quick, deliver the torpedo payload and get out. The turrets will also be utilized to fend off any small fighters who attempt to make chase. The torpedoes can also inflict significant damage against larger capital ships and provide enough firepower to crack fortifications or powerful static defenses (think sieges or base attacks). The question as to exactly how much is a matter of game balance and something we’ll be exploring together over time. It’s a ship designed for and dedicated to combat; faster than larger capital ships and tougher than smaller ships, and as such, like any ship, it performs better or worse depending on whether you appreciate its characteristics and employ them accordingly.
For example, the Polaris may find itself the target of torpedoes and large-caliber ship guns. Going toe-to-toe with a destroyer or cruiser, and staying exposed to its guns for an extended period, is not be the best way to use this ship. On the plus side, being a capital ship, the Polaris’ static defenses make it difficult to greatly harm with fighter-scale weapons. Between its shields, armor, and turrets, fighters will be hard-pressed to do it much damage to a Polaris without suffering sever consequences themselves. However, watch out for Gladiators and other bombers. While the Polaris wouldn’t be defenseless against those types of light bombers, a Polaris captain should usually be much more wary of them than most dogfighters.
grave canyon
large-caliber ship guns
steel thistle
So far I know there fit alot more into than just a gladius xD
yeah those 3 arrows gonna pop off
lone bloom
yeah those 3 arrows gonna pop off
3 arrows with alot of missiles
humble anvil
no independent beds, maybe clear up enough room for medbay :>)
lone bloom
to overwhelm pdcs
so the torpedo has a way to go
boom perseus dead
whats the issue?
grave canyon
they literally said 9 years ago that it was gonna suck against large-caliber ship guns and you're moaning about it
steel thistle
What types of ships do you intend the Polaris to be strong against? What should ...
ik you just poured your heart out but i really don’t wanna read allat can you voice note me x
grave canyon
ik you just poured your heart out but i really don’t wanna read allat can you vo...
large-caliber ship guns
it's weak against large-caliber ship guns
they said it 9 years ago
it's from the qa
steel thistle
boom perseus dead
how many players did that take
grave canyon
how many players did that take <:kekw:875083074956820540>
literally 3
polaris pilot, torp gunner, and a fighter pilot could take down a perseus
if they have more than 6 combined brain cells
lone bloom
so a 3 player polaris could technically take down a 3 player perseus
and that would mean both ships are pretty low crewed
grave canyon
3 player polaris could take down however many player perseus
there is no meaning to however many players the perseus has on
there's no counter to that tactic
steel thistle
that’s like how it should work yes i would expect the larger ship to win
like a javelin should be killing an idris
lone bloom
Always situation depending
grave canyon
like a javelin should be killing an idris
not if the javelin has literally 2 people operating it and both of them run on a single brain cell together
steel thistle
a bengal should be killing a javelin
grave canyon
it's about knowing what to do with your ship to win a fight
lone bloom
It should never be "bigger = better"
grave canyon
yes
lone bloom
It should always be situation depending which ship is better
even if it means that a smaller with less crew ship winns
grave canyon
if you just man the turrets in a polaris expecting to kill anything below your weight class you're just high on copium anyway
steel thistle
It should never be "bigger = better"
isn’t that the entire point
lone bloom
if you just man the turrets in a polaris expecting to kill anything below your w...
(never been the case any ways)
grave canyon
isn’t that the entire point
no
steel thistle
if you just man the turrets in a polaris expecting to kill anything below your w...
you’ve got size 4s everywhere you’re not 💔
grave canyon
so you're telling me that an eclipse should never be able to touch a hammerhead?
steel thistle
why would this ship with 8 size 7s and 2 size 10s be losing to this ship with size 8 5s
steel thistle
so you're telling me that an eclipse should never be able to touch a hammerhead?
no because it’s got size 9 torps
grave canyon
no because it’s got size 9 torps
EXACTLY
steel thistle
which are on large ships
lone bloom
why would this ship with 8 size 7s and 2 size 10s be losing to this ship with si...
(isn't it 4x S10?)
steel thistle
(isn't it 4x S10?)
doesn’t matter still stands
grave canyon
it matters what ship is fighting what ship
and how they're fighting and their loadouts
steel thistle
the ship with more/larger/harder hitting weaponry should be winning
grave canyon
the ship with more/larger/harder hitting weaponry should be winning
well guess what the perseus has way harder hitting guns than the polaris
steel thistle
skill
grave canyon
even if you crew all guns on the polaris
except if you manage to get off torps, which surprise surprise, is the entire gimmick of the damn ship
nocturne raft
depends. theres certainly a degree of rock paper scissors with this stuff
grave canyon
before this it was like still 15k for both turrets no? now it's just 15k each or something
steel thistle
the perseus is still stronger than it should be
it’s now ridiculously strong for its size
grave canyon
the polaris combined with all turrets is like 12k or something
lone bloom
the perseus is still stronger than it should be
Polaris is literally the only "combat" capital the percy will be able to take down by itsself
grave canyon
2-3 ares's will kill a perseus extremely easily
lone bloom
and only if the situation is given
nocturne raft
like the percy is bigger and has s8 hardpoints, but it can still die to a heavy fighter cos it wont be able to bring its guns to bear quick enough
lone bloom
that its in very close range
steel thistle
“heaviest armour for its size its got 2 large shields 4 size 8s 20 size 5 torpedos”
grave canyon
name one ship
that competes against it in the bracket
don't need to go up to the bracket
3 ion's
there you go
it's dead
lone bloom
grave canyon
literally
grave canyon
why would you use an ares
steel thistle
exactly
grave canyon
except in very niche applications
like fighting a polaris
even then it's kinda shit
nocturne raft
1 of my friends uses the inferno a lot cos he enjoys it
steel thistle
even then it's kinda shit
why is that?
grave canyon
there's literally like one singular ship that no player ever uses in the PU right now that ares is meant to fight
grave canyon
why is that?
because it's not meant to fight anything but one ship that no one uses
but the perseus will die to it come IAE
because it's literally meant to kill ships of that size
nocturne raft
im sure the ares could do some damage to stuff like a corsair or connie as well
steel thistle
because it's not meant to fight anything but one ship that no one uses
so again, who is going to use the ares
lone bloom
Single ares will get killed by hammerhead - hammerhead and perseus gets killed by multiple ares - hammerhead gets killed by perseus - polaris gets killed by perseus - hammerhead and ares gets killed by polaris
steel thistle
even so
grave canyon
so again, who is going to use the ares
people who want to kill percy's?
steel thistle
it’s 3 ares vs 3 in a perseus
grave canyon
what is your question i don't get it
grave canyon
it’s 3 ares vs 3 in a perseus
yes
grave canyon
that's my entire point
it's the same amount of crew
and it's cheaper
to run 3 ares's
nocturne raft
its not just about more ships, its the nature of how the perseus fights
grave canyon
or buy them
lone bloom
to run 3 ares's
even while probably at least one will die xD
nocturne raft
if an ares tries to joust a percy, itll get popped in 1 shot LOL
lone bloom
its not just about more ships, its the nature of how the perseus fights
Its weakpoint is literally "a swarm of smaller ships"
grave canyon
ship combat is hardly a question of who has better guns or who is bigger or who got more shields, it's about how they were designed and what they were designed to fight against
lone bloom
Literally in its description
steel thistle
its not just about more ships, its the nature of how the perseus fights
it’s got size 4s in the worst places possible and the size 8s will turn in hours as long as they corkscrew they’ll be fine
nocturne raft
yeh but my point was against void, the ares wouldnt necessarily win just because it has more ships
humble anvil
14200 per turret. delicious
grave canyon
even a single ion that's got a pilot with more than 3 brain cells will kill a perseus, it will take awfully longer than 3 but it will be easy
nocturne raft
it’s got size 4s in the worst places possible and the size 8s will turn in hours...
ur entirely right, my point was more just that volume isnt the only, or really the main, factor the 3 ares would win
if they can sit in the blindspots then the percy is toast
grave canyon
or a couple eclipse's, even something like a guardian
any okay heavy fighter pilot is going to be able to kill percy's
lone bloom
if they can sit in the blindspots then the percy is toast
and same applies to perseus vs polaris, but he doesn't seem to get that / better said, he doesn't want that to happen
nocturne raft
and same applies to perseus vs polaris, but he doesn't seem to get that / better...
since the speed nerf, all the percy needs to do is avoid the s6 cannon on the front
grave canyon
so now because smaller ships than the perseus can kill it, does it mean that the perseus is a shit ship?
nocturne raft
the percy can also broadside
nocturne raft
so now because smaller ships than the perseus can kill it, does it mean that the...
no it just means thats its weakness