Perseus Pals

[narrow tangle]

And hull D to carrack

[hexed ruin]

M2 WB CCU tomorrow

[errant warren]

: (

[sharp ginkgo]

every time i see the perseus image, my brain just goes hehehe hammerhead, git rekt

[late crypt]

soon lads

[fluid plume]

Come back IAE 2026

[fluid matrix]

<t:1796028353:R> 😭

[compact narwhal]

hm perseus is some how a bigger variant of the Redeemer, no?

Polaris is a bigger variant of Andromeda (sure with some extras)

[compact narwhal]

maybe later ill upgrade my redeemer to this baby, but it dont like the design its to arrow like for me, want it some how less triangle like, but thats just me ;-D

[sick wave]

not really. Perseus is a sub cap killer with it's 4s7 guns when redeemer will be great against small/medium ships.

Couple redeemers would be a great cover for a perseus actually

[sharp ginkgo]

broadsiding the polaris or pounding its backside KEKW

[normal grotto]

oh there is a perseus channel too nice

[sick wave]

if you want to go face to face to Polaris and it's S10 torp it's your choice man xD

[grave canyon]

is my percy the cheapest

theres gotta be someone with a $350 gain bmm ccu no

[hexed ruin]

Yeah probably just got mine to 310 ik theres guys in the CCU game discord who have percys under 200

[grave canyon]

yea those bmm ccus and stuff

for like starting last ilw i got real good savings

by the time i end my chains im probably gonna have 2-2.3k worth of ships for 1k

[hexed ruin]

Yeah my chains only been 6mo and i got over 50% so im not complaining i only wanted 50% to begin with lol

[grave canyon]

with current pricing, the more my ships go up the more value

[hexed ruin]

I started mine at IAE 2023

[grave canyon]

the curve is extremely steep for savings

you get really big percentages at the start but it gets slower and slower to get better savings

[sick wave]

Did perseus chain with spare ccu and now 390 but unfinished so I've hopes to put it under 300

[hexed ruin]

I have ab 4 chains i wanna work on but my percy and galaxy are the main ones im working on since theyre the closest to come out

I need an M2 and a sub100

[grave canyon]

none of my ships are applied except for c1 with $65 savings from referral plus my deemer with %36 so $120

might melt the deemer but like eh

[sick wave]

no need for deemer if you've perseus imo. same crew more power 😛

[grave canyon]

idrc it's mid savings, im probably gonna end up starting galaxy from an lti token, upgrade the c1 to a zeus because i hate the c1, and percy will be from deemer

[grave canyon]

more power means more maintenance and costlier to run tho

[sick wave]

but bigger targets and rewards in theory

[grave canyon]

deemer can very steadily get to ert's right now so when costs are actually not manageable easily later on percy will have a harder time getting out of the lower tier stuff where its gonna cost a lot of money

but then ill just use my zeus for those so it doesnt matter

hence why im going deemer > percy

if i go from deemer to percy tho i go up to $305 melt value

but those $40 aint worth it to melt the deemer with how many wb ccus it took

[sick wave]

well there is no point doing bigger and so more rewarding missions for ships like perseus polaris etc atm since well... they're not there. but I guess there will be missions for sub cap combat ships

I hope at least

[grave canyon]

yeah

if you dont have any smaller ships to do the smaller combat ships tho deemer is good

[sick wave]

ofc

well... atm it's not that good but I guess they'll correct the deemer balance

[grave canyon]

but percy just outclasses it since anything the percy would be not worth or actually hard bc of its speed and huge guns, you could do with a zeus or smt

[grave canyon]

tbh its tanky with big gunz

pretty good imo

exactly what i want from my percy, just with armor instead of shields

i hope percy gets bigger cargo just like polaris so you can do rover + 30 scu or so

that would sell me

[sick wave]

turrets turn rate is so slow anything small and nimble will be an issue. but against medium or big ships it's still great imo

[grave canyon]

gonna run it as a fleet defense ship but i still want to have my cargo and a rover or so, just because

im already pretty convinced but if the cargo gets a bit bigger ill be %100 in

[sick wave]

ah yeah perseus 50scu is kind of a joke. but really not it's purpose too so... can't blame them

I was pleasantly surprise perseus had torps actually. I didn't know that until recently

[grave canyon]

s5's i believe

pretty good

[sick wave]

yeah s5 so far. still good to shut off a medium escort or just do preliminary damages on shields

and there is 20 of it xD

[grave canyon]

tbh idrk

i mean i get that its not supposed to have cargo and its supposed to run in a fleet blah blah

but like, it would be extremely desirable to have space for a rover and extra cargo

[sick wave]

couple S5s is always a pleasure ^^

[grave canyon]

because yeah while it is a purpose built ship and its not supposed to be a jack of all trades, when you look at actual militaries a lot of stuff is purpose built with a little jack of all trades

just the desirable stuff

and when you gotta deploy planetside it would be very desirable to have an extra rover in a ship thats in your fleet, without making it so that taking in supplies from your supply ship is not a pain because there is actually no space

but balance wise iirc HH cannot even fit an ursa

has like 40scu

so i dont really have anything against it having 50 or rover, just would be something that would be nice

[round zodiac]

Ursa takes up the entire 50 SCU? Nursa would be nice to have aboard, but ammo crates

[normal grotto]

I feel shamed by these numbers ...

[errant warren]

dont be ashamed :) mine was like that like less than a month ago : I

[sharp ginkgo]

Do they have a camera mode for torps and such to that you can get cinematic shots or no

[little sapphire]

Don't forget perseus does have Two PDS weapons. One IS in the shitty spot, but the other could protect against the torps effectively while it hammers the polaris.

I don't think it would necessarily, win, but definitely do some damage.

[errant warren]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[static cape]

polaris probs would win a 1v1 tbh

but if perseus gets close then issues arise

[little sapphire]

^ without the up gunning, which isn't needed, the polaris would win because it only requires one torp to smack and it's most likely either dead or most systems are down.

[sharp ginkgo]

yanno what would be an interesting mechanic...if they reinforce the front angular armor of the perseus and allow it to knife through ships hehehe

[little sapphire]

Now that. Ehhh idk lol, sounds interesting but also sounds a lil weird. I mean the perseus is able to change its ammo types to match the situation already.

[cursive drum]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-stupid-georgetakei-takei-insult-gif-4762099

[sick wave]

I mean. as said before going face to face to a polaris and it's torp is dumb af. Side it and use all power of 4xS7 and polaris is armless as a baby

[compact narwhal]

well, she always will have 1-3 light fighter escorts

or bomber

i think its not a downgrade, if perseus does not win a 1v1 against a polaris, because polaris is over all bigger and more expansive

[fluid plume]

polaris definitely needs up gunning otherwise it would only be able to poke above its weight and get bullied by ships below its weight

[errant warren]

I thought perseus only had one pds :/

Woo

[sick wave]

two perseus vs a polaris

[little sapphire]

Goodluck getting that close. Polaris is one of the fastest ships of that size. I believe claimed going only slightly slower then fighters.

The devs are "doing it" because people bitched. Not because it's needed. If you listen to it they said we listened to the feedback and are gonna upgun, specifically because of everyone complaining for the role it had. Not it's in jeopardy of being broken and the only ship needed in the whole game. Aka, there goes Balancing.

[cursive drum]

Unless you have either a faster or larger ship or any semblance of PD at all.

[cursive drum]

The devs said Larger ships are supposed to eventually be the fastest. Probably wasd forgotten a while ago but it was said at one time.

[round zodiac]

Comes down to thrust coefficient vs mass

Things like the polaris are 10% thrusters, and bigger is more efficient

[sick wave]

Because you think a smaller and possibly lighter ship like perseus wont be at least as fast if not faster?

[fluid plume]

It was definitely needed cause it would only be able to poke above its weight and get bullied below it’s weight, it’s a combat capital ship let it do combat, at one point devs clearly thought about up gunning it on their own cause if you look back at the white box rework they did you can see the turrets were a lot bigger then what is on it now

With an up gun Polaris still fits it’s role, torp poker above its weight but now it’s able to defend itself below its weight, it already has enough weakness, massive blind spots, bad turret coverage overlap, weaker then normal cap armor, plus poking bigger caps will probably only work 50% of the time because of all the counters, players or pdc or ai turrets shooting them down, chaff and flares, they will be far to expensive to waste on things below its weight which is why the up gun was needed

It can’t brawl with other caps, and now it’s feels like a cap below its weight, how does that not fit its role?

[errant warren]

Perseus fast for its size?

[errant warren]

👍

[round zodiac]

I would expect Perseus to be quicker than polaris due to its somewhat brawling nature. Maybe polaris rotation speed for torpedo locking. But it's a fat fighter carrier/artillery

[fluid plume]

If it is quicker it won’t be by much, it’s heavier then most with its above normal average armor for its size

[steel zodiac]

i believe the Perseus will get a upgunned as well. prolly size 8 and it can sub target. the Perseus is gonna be a super ship especially if its fully crewed. now realize that Perseus will prolly run in groups to attack capital ships.

concept was released several years back things have changed same reason they are up gunning the Polaris

its supposed to crush sub cap and be able to do targeted damage on captial class ships to take them out

we will wait and see it is not due out until after galaxy i do believe

[errant warren]

wait what I thought that was a s10? : /

ahhh

Thats powerfull :O

I have very high hopes for it

but I want the game to be way more finishes before they add it

[steel zodiac]

dont forget different ammo types as well

[round zodiac]

yea, locked as physical cannons, but ammo types will be changeable

hoping for Flak, HE, maybe some sort of EMP/distortion thing that disables

[cursive drum]

The Idris gets 1 S10 and around 6 S5 turrets. And I think 1 twin S6 or S7 as well.

What? How was it nerfed?

[drifting solar]

I don’t think the damages made by the Railgun changed
However the overall HP of the Idris was increased by a lot (too much for now in my opinion)

[fluid plume]

Tbh if they reworked the Perseus I would love a snub bay in the back between the engines similar to galaxy and then maybe a 3rd turret up top so it has two turrets front of bridge to give it a sort of battleship look

[steel zodiac]

Considering the amount of armor and shields something like the Perseus should end up with I think it will be able to tank a lot of damage. These are brand new ships production in lore. Also these are the civilian version so I am curious to see how it plays out.

[drifting solar]

I always thought it did around 300k damage lol

Well recently I tanked an Idris shot in the HH in AC
So I Guess the Perseus could as well (depending where it lands, doubt that beautiful cockpit would resist that xD)

But I didn’t know about the decrease in ammo (in fact I had no idea how much it had before)

[hexed ruin]

Chris has blessed me with a M2 warbond CCU for my percy

[grave canyon]

oh new wb?

damn those are some useless wbs if you have hull c ccus

im sad

[round zodiac]

M2 was something a lot of persy and poly buyers were missing for some reason

I'm grabbing on today too

[round zodiac]

not as good as you, but still $300 off

[grave canyon]

i got mine for $245

iirc

[hexed ruin]

mines likely staying at that unless i can get a razor WB or a sub100 but still nice i was only aiming for 50% i got lucky lol

[errant warren]

70% off damn

[steel zodiac]

yeah i am taking my time and getting WB to get my price as low as i can go. no rush it wont be out for a while

[round zodiac]

welcome to the Perseus pals

IAE daily warbonds are the trick

[errant warren]

I just need one upgrade

[round zodiac]

M2 was my last peice, the Perseus warbond was a surprise too. Saved a few extra

[errant warren]

I was quite lucky I had a few warbonds back to back

[errant warren]

https://ccugame.app/exported-chain/4oHPEbPmskOBUhg1MalF

my chain at the moment

[limpid sentinel]

Are yall using the redeemer as a sub in Perseus? I just got one during this jump town sale but I have no idea if it’s poop or not

[sick wave]

Redeemer got a massive nerf with mastermodes. it's not baaad but it's far from being good either

[round zodiac]

The yaw improvments in 3.24 should help with the fact it's turning radius is higher than a Carracks...

But otherwise I had a lot of fun with it

Taurus is a better multi seat bounty ship though

[sick wave]

problem is redeemer is now moving like an hammerhead with slow turn turrets and paper hull and shields xD

[round zodiac]

unfortunate

[limpid sentinel]

Big bummers. Really just wanted a ship to start using “like a Perseus” ✨ to get some crew coordination and strategy how to use it going

May just melt then if it’s that pooooop

[sick wave]

I mean hammerhead is that and it works fine. it's also a perseus loaner

and since it's actually supposed to be a perseus cousins you'll get a better feeling of what perseus might be

So buy a perseus and use HH while waiting 😉

[limpid sentinel]

The audacity to think I don’t already have a Perseus 😂
Jk. I just figured ballistic s5s vs the hammerhead being more for fighter spam was a closer comparison

[limpid sentinel]

I would like to see just how to use a ship like that. Most people dive bomb and be dumb with it but you really should be posting to “broad side” your targets

[round zodiac]

Hammerhead specifically is intended to be anti small ship. Designed with multi turret coverage from all angles for attacking multiple small aggressors

[signal vortex]

perseus on top

[crystal sleet]

YEEAHAH

[errant warren]

Perseus soloes the universe

[vast lagoon]

Perseus solod my heart

[round zodiac]

They always ask cannon, but how hownon

[bitter nymph]

Poor redeemer. Pour one out homies

[vast lagoon]

Redeemer walked so Perseus could run

[sick wave]

wait for Percy to be nerfed to the ground because cig can't balance specialized ships xD

[jolly pine]

I bought my percy last night i’m finally in the club im so excited 😂😆

[round zodiac]

Welcome!

[jolly pine]

I’ve got a feeling people here feel the same way but I expect the AP on those size 7s to hit a lot harder than most think

[fluid plume]

Perseus is already weak to fighters all its power is just in killing subcaps

[jolly pine]

that’s fine but if they ever hit a fighter it’ll get deleted anyone that goes with a pers should have some escort for anti fighter support

[grave canyon]

yes

[sand hound]

well it may actually be good if it does get flak rounds

it will always be worse then just having a hammerhead but it could be good enough

[jolly pine]

I heard it was getting HE but are they going to be like proxy flak rounds?

and I imagine the downside will still be turret speed especially in close range

[round zodiac]

its expected to be changeable rounds

something flaky, something HE. and probably something distorty

[jolly pine]

no AP?

[round zodiac]

like, jsut a dead slug for puncturing? probably

[round zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1288011606529282088/Perseus_60fps.mp4?ex=66f3a1c9&is=66f25049&hm=a6afbdf11aae0f8d4a6fe5f0cab0a83f3ba0314527135eb6f1647871bef077b5&
@lone tundra is a legend

[errant warren]

i still need one bloody warbond to get mine >:(

[steel thistle]

we've been excited for years 😔

[jolly pine]

I bought a few concepts so i’ve got my years coming don’t worry😂

[lone tundra]

3800x1400, 23.976 frame rate, stabilized, cropped

3800x1400, 60 fps, stabilized, cropped

[errant warren]

it's a black rectangle for me :(

[round zodiac]

Let it load, it's huge

https://tenor.com/view/doesnt-look-like-anything-to-me-westworld-arnold-bernard-host-gif-11016723

[lone tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/perseus-star-citizen-star-citizen-perseus-perseus-gunship-star-citizen-perseus-gunship-gif-11335973550360807935

Tenor version

[cursive drum]

How did you get it to move.

[lone tundra]

This is the official banner video for the Perseus, it was already moving

[cursive drum]

Ah, oky then.

[errant warren]

how many entrances are there for perseus

and can we airdrop stuff

[jolly pine]

atleast the cargo door and docking port can’t remember if there is a ramp/ladder to go up or not and I mean if you can fit it in and throw it out you can airdrop

so up to an ursa I think

[round zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1239688475234537533/image.png?ex=664a6cdc&is=66491b5c&hm=f52c84c870d21d5c23d59f120e523c83323e805309ae9b1d577abbb21875dc2e&

Just vroom off the platform

[sand hound]

or walk 😉

[crystal sleet]

i dont think we have any info about any secondary ingress points on the perseus. The area near the forwrd gun bay seems like it could fit a ladder entry point, but thats just speculation on my part. All we know is that the only points of entry is the port side docking collar and the cargo/vehicle cargo lift

[steel thistle]

because it was concepted in 2019 or smth, they'll likely add a crew ladder/second ingress when it's in the pipeline

rn it's just got docking collar and the cargo bay

not the end of the world tho I doubt you'll be landing the Percy much

and if you do you'll probs want the vehicle or cargo from out the bottom

[steel thistle]

it's for fleet defence so you'd have your vulcans or starfarers doing the refuelling when you need it

dock to larger ships in the fleet or stations for rations and equipment

i would never land the Percy unless I had to, nothing about its role requires it to and it would be a sitting duck.

Also it's big and hard to park on rocky terrain

mainly cuz it's so slow it'll take forever to get back into orbit

92m/s SCM 😭🙏🏻

[crystal sleet]

that does sound like a very realistic change considering there was quite a bit of empty space in the hull

[steel thistle]

yeah they probs realised by now that needs have changed

[crystal sleet]

maybe itll be a small personnel lift like the one on the 600i

[round zodiac]

Or more accurately, the constellation

I wish there was more 2-stop express access elevators for these. Ground to bridge only, in the case or Perseus

Little sad for pilot staff to take the vehicle elevator up to engineering then up another elevator to bridge

[round zodiac]

I like the current empty space as it guarantees it won't swell up like the carrack XD

[round zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297132265905590302/1297511565720813730/image.png?ex=6716da0f&is=6715888f&hm=eb6a73848484c6898a936e1bd1fd39f2588a1a6249b85aff1828c7f83b9664e1&

[drifting solar]

we are so back

[compact narwhal]

since redeemer gots nerfed, it might be a look, to go up the big brother... ;-D

[grave canyon]

HUGE

[errant warren]

we balling

[steel thistle]

😈😈😈🙏🏻

[drifting solar]

@crystal sleet where are you brother
Time to get the PNG out again

[fluid plume]

Balling IAE 2025*

[errant warren]

still balling

[round zodiac]

if its IAE 2025, then its earlier than my hopium guess of ILW 2026. This was assuming Galaxy would be hte IAE 2025 slot and Pers would get hammered out in 6 months after that with all the reusable assets and relative simplicity

[grave canyon]

they didnt show galaxy in the ships coming in the next 12

[round zodiac]

there is some copers in chat being like "they only said MOST of the ships form the next 12 "

as though they would just accidently overlook the ship theyre supposedly doing NEXT

[grave canyon]

they did say some iirc but like they're probably skipping it

[fluid plume]

I don’t think galaxy is being touched anymore it was replaced by starlancer

[grave canyon]

not replaced, but they took the hull c and made it into a ship so they could have an STF

plus i think base building isn't coming next year and they don't want to release purely a cargo/medical ship esp since medical gameplay is also nonexistent

so it would be just another cargo ship

[agile tinsel]

another cargo ship with the same capacity as 50% of the current most common cargo ships

would be really stale to get another c2/cate

[grave canyon]

yeah, hence why they probably took it off the list until base building + medical rework

[round zodiac]

certialny a gap between 200 and 700

[agile tinsel]

also makes me wonder when refinery is coming

[round zodiac]

StarMax helps a bit, but could use a 635C or something as well

[grave canyon]

caterpillar is the same as galaxy iirc

[agile tinsel]

since they plan to do all RSI ships first, that gives the arrastra a pretty close timeframe (2ish years maybe)

[grave canyon]

galaxy is 576, cat should be about that

[round zodiac]

id expect arrastra nad orion to wait for a new tier of mining

possibly Maelstrom oriented mining

[agile tinsel]

that's true

[grave canyon]

tbh it's probably next year we get engineering and fauna and stuff, 2026 base building with galaxy

[agile tinsel]

I just think they'd hold off on the galaxy refinery module until arrastra

since I assume it's a lot of the same tech/stuff

like most RSI ships

[round zodiac]

yea refinery has belly ports for hopper bags

[grave canyon]

honestly though if polaris isn't done and modularity already exists i don't get why they don't just pump the galaxy out in 6 months

[round zodiac]

so they need that transfer working right too

[agile tinsel]

did they ever state what the galaxy's ore capacity/refined capacity is?

[grave canyon]

plus zeus

[round zodiac]

they basically have to model and rig up 4 different thorax for hte Galaxy so its a bigger task

[grave canyon]

i don't think so

it can run 2 jobs though

[grave canyon]

i mean

the middle room is literally the exact same thing between medical and cargo

except there's beds in the medical one

[agile tinsel]

now, imagine a galaxy with a massive mining laser attached to the cargo section

[grave canyon]

and everything else is 100% same

[round zodiac]

cargo one has tractor beam roof racks and hte floor opens, acocrding to screenshots

[grave canyon]

medical one also has the lift

sure, you get some beds, walls, and get rid off the beams

but like, that ain't much work

release base building and refinery later

[agile tinsel]

ah, so it allows for the entire cargo section to be lowered to ground level?

[round zodiac]

yea, exactly why C8R and Cutlass Red came out so quick. not difficult to turn Empty into Medical

[grave canyon]

tbh imma just run mine with medical + nursa + couple fury's

[grave canyon]

not entire, but the middle part

which can take 2x 32 scu i believe

[agile tinsel]

ngl, I'd do cargo/base building and put a nursa in the back

[grave canyon]

it's the same lift between medical and cargo, at least it looks like that

[grave canyon]

yeah but doasm

[round zodiac]

alright, this is Perseus chat, remember we have one for https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/1130578256526061568 too

[agile tinsel]

oh, that's what they meant by the cargo lift carrying an extra 64 scu

[grave canyon]

better medbay = longevity of your caracter

[agile tinsel]

we need an RSI chat honestly

[grave canyon]

i mean that + 64 in the back

[agile tinsel]

so many RSI fans, too many chat rooms

[grave canyon]

true

[round zodiac]

RSI: Real Ship Investors

I would be the king of such a place

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/319426861799178241/1266114618997080075/image.png?ex=671753e0&is=67160260&hm=5f02e9d133ebc254778db6c08f491a64041b564e64df2da47675e5ce00b70d9b&

gotta catch em all

[round zodiac]

not super into mining or light ships so no Arrastra, aurora etc. and Galaxy will be my cargo if refining isnt sustainable so no need for Taurus

[grave canyon]

tbh i really do hope we get some extra feature on the percy, right now it feels way too empty for the money

if i do end up applying a polaris, i'll probably drop my boy percy

if they had said it gets a t3 or t2 medbay i'd probably not even consider polaris

t3 is probably way more reasonable, for minor injuries when working with the turret and whatnot

[agile tinsel]

it could really use some med bed, but you can probably fit a nursa into it

[round zodiac]

675 is a bit steep for a dedicated gunship. glad i got it ofr half that with CCUing. 450 is more apt for something like this.

but they'll never reduce it, itll probably evn raise to 700 when it goes flyable

[agile tinsel]

if it was cheaper I would have gottten it, but being slightly cheaper than a polaris was kinda meh

[round zodiac]

i just picked up every Daily Warbond from IAE 2023 and did this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121113616926638131/1251628216859234405/image.png?ex=67175c5d&is=67160add&hm=6cbd2ecaf8fb1f1082fc74b2368d45e1f403c1dc73840c64b5b327c4646add74&

more accurate price 😄

[agile tinsel]

damn, that's a really nice savings

did you use a referral vehicle?

[round zodiac]

yea, its like 20 CCU steps from the 2022 invictus avengertitan starter pack with SQ42

I've applied up to Reclaimer so far (goes bottom up)

everytime it says 'warbond edition' its savings between $5 and $20

[grave canyon]

yeah but i don't want to use the entire cargo bay for a nursa

[agile tinsel]

true, it's just the only real option for medical atm

[round zodiac]

Nursa is a confirmed fit, but if they allow rearming ballistics with ammo crates then...

then im gonna want to pack heat, not heat packs

[agile tinsel]

also, perseus is a little too new for me to think that it'll get a rework

especially since it's coming so soon

so I think you'll be stuck without a medbay

[errant warren]

I still need a bloody HULL D WARBOND >: (

[round zodiac]

HercM was hte one i was missing for a while. then Perseus warbond came out during ILW

[fluid plume]

Base building next year is a good chance we know one of the ships planned for 12 months is starlancer builder variant that on its slide said ships along side base building and then we also know they plan on pioneer in next 12 months but on its slide said does not ship with base building so maybe tier 0 base building q2 2025

[round zodiac]

most plans dont make it within the year as intended/ especially vast things like base building

[fluid plume]

Hey I get to choose how I cope

[crystal sleet]

HAHAHAHAAAA, IM SO BACK BABYYYY

[cursive drum]

Huh??

[sand hound]

i think basebuilding is alot closer than we think

i believe what they showed as at citizencon was all grey box, i know for a fact the space station was in greybox. They also stated that the pioneer would not be available day 1 of base building and if they plan on releasing the pioneer within the next 12-18 months that would mean basebuilding day 1 would come out sometime 2025

last citizencon they showed us Distribution centers which were also in grey box and they got added pretty fast

[cursive drum]

Stawp it. I can't get any more excited then I already am.

[cursive drum]

When is Station Building?

[sand hound]

station building will be either with pioneer or post pioneer

the fact its already in greybox makes me think they want it done before pioneer so it can release with pioneer

the only thing that can build space stations is the pioneer after all

[cursive drum]

True.

[sand hound]

the first base building ship will probably be the starlancer BLD with its 4x large drones

galaxy kind of got sidelined from the looks of it

[cursive drum]

Sadge.

[fluid plume]

Station building requires pioneer, so far pioneer is only ship capable of building that supply station in orbit which builds the station

[drifting solar]

[round zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/perseus-star-citizen-star-citizen-perseus-perseus-gunship-star-citizen-perseus-gunship-gif-11335973550360807935

[crystal sleet]

I cant fuckin sleep, the perseus is stuck in my mind

[grave canyon]

no

[agile tinsel]

I don’t think you realize just how far away 1.0 is

They want 5 systems for 1.0

We currently have 1, soon to be 2

[sand hound]

yes but those 2 systems were made without the new tools such as starchitect updated rastar, etc

all the tools they have made since stanton and pyro would theoretically speed up the production time for more systems so they can produce them much faster

i believe nyx is in sq42 so there should already be some work there and we saw some greybox stuff for castra. Terra is probably the least developed

also i dont believe they said basebuilding wouldnt be released before 1.0 they just said 1.0 would have it. We will probably get T0/T1 basebuilding in 4.0

[agile tinsel]

And explain HOW basebuilding would work in 4.0 when we have no ships dedicated to it, and when the galaxy was literally delayed

4.0 is almost entirely engineering focused

[crystal sleet]

Well they did introduce the small base building hover trolley, so maybe we could build small scale bases

[fluid plume]

I mean starlancer bld on its panel literally said release along side base building

And pioneer is gate way to end game base building and on its panel said it doesn’t release with base building

100% I doubt base building will release with 4.0 unless they delay it into 2025 cause then we won’t see 4.0 until atleast march which sounds like a lot of wiggle room to get it in

Either way we getting closer and closer to watching 4.0 slip into 2025 the window has shrunk to mid to late December which means if they do decide to release it this year we looking at 3.18 2.0 the game will be unplayable for 3 months and cig might want to decide to avoid the PR disaster since all eyes on 4.0

[drifting solar]

i don't think CIG wants to release ships without main features anymore
I'm not surprised to see the galaxy delayed, all Starlancer are going to be release at IAE except the one for base building.
I bet they are just waiting for the gameplay to be here to release them and/or focus on them

Polaris was obviously already in dev so it's out of the question
But Perseus being moved before the Galaxy makes sense, it doesn't have any kinds of special features, it's quite "small", and it's only made for combat
probably the oldest mechanic in the game
And we have a clear lack of ships that can efficiently hurt large ships to small cap size ships

[steel thistle]

tac disclaimer says 2025

thats why i aint got one

[drifting solar]

oooh really? since Max and Tac were on sale i expected them fo be released about at the same time

[steel thistle]

yeah

its sad

[cursive drum]

This makes me think IAE 2025.

[crystal sleet]

"But Perseus being moved before the Galaxy makes sense, it doesn't have any kinds of special features, it's quite "small", and it's only made for combat
probably the oldest mechanic in the game"

FINALLY, SOMEONE SAYS IT OUT LOUD, THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

[drifting solar]

i've been leaving with this thought and reality for years xd

[cursive drum]

Galaxy when? Why was it pushed back?

[round zodiac]

It was "overlooked" entirely at this citcon

[drifting solar]

like, it's one of the simplest large combat ships you can do

[round zodiac]

Instead of celebrating that it's next after Polaris

And announced StarLancer BLD, which is it's size class

Snubbed and replaced

[fluid plume]

Well Perseus being moved up also provides a bridge between large ships and Polaris

[round zodiac]

Gotta have something to fight the Idris rush with sq42 release

[fluid plume]

I mean if you call 2026 release rushing

[round zodiac]

It'll take another year for this ship

[fluid plume]

That’s even if you think cig even knows sq42 is 2026

Half of them were probably surprised lol

[crystal sleet]

People suspect that since cig doesnt want ships with missing features, they moved the perseus up to work the galaxy with the starlancer bld and such

[cursive drum]

Polaris…?

[round zodiac]

One shot by railgun

Torpoodles no contest

[cursive drum]

When will Galaxy release with its features?

[cursive drum]

It has angled armor and should survive more than 1 hit??

[round zodiac]

They didn't even talk about it citcon. People are thinking galaxy is shelved

[cursive drum]

How many hits to kill an Idris??

[crystal sleet]

When base building is developed more i believe

[round zodiac]

Galaxy base build module was mentioned at last citcon. But never got a store or wiki entry

Not buyable, not confirmed

[steel thistle]

1 stone from my arm is alll i need

[cursive drum]

Very sadge.

[crystal sleet]

And they never even mentioned the galaxy this citcons presentation on base building, even though they said it wouldve been the galaxy before the perseus. It wasnt even in the "in 12 months" segment (but they did say that these were SOME of the ships we could expect, so maybe the galaxy is already in production, with the perseus closely following in the next 12 months)

[fluid plume]

Probably after Perseus

[sand hound]

they literally showcased the trolly and starlancer BLD lol

[cursive drum]

Right…

[agile tinsel]

yeah, they aren't gonna have any of those systems ready for 4.0

[sand hound]

not for 4.0 release

[agile tinsel]

showcasing something is not the same as being prepared for something

[sand hound]

but during 4.x for sure

[agile tinsel]

read what I said

[sand hound]

thats what i was saying

[agile tinsel]

................

4.0 and 4.1/4.2/4.3 are completely different things

[cursive drum]

Basebuilding? I highly doubt that. Maybe 5.0.

[sand hound]

they already showed us basebuilding in grey box

along with 2 vehicles to do it

[agile tinsel]

do you realize how many ships are in graybox while still waiting years to be released?

[sand hound]

ships =/= game mechanic

[agile tinsel]

brother

[sand hound]

distribution centers were in greybox at last citizcon and released a couple months later

[agile tinsel]

you are talking about physical buildings, I am talking about physical ships, they are the same fucking thing almost

one moves, the other doesn't

the graybox does not refer to the mechanic, but to the structures

[sand hound]

brother they litereally showed us directly building a build with a trolly in grey box

[agile tinsel]

prerendered vs in game lmao

nothing is finalized for base building

[sand hound]

the DC's were also pre-rendered

[agile tinsel]

you can throw stuff in blender and that doesn't mean it's ready

[sand hound]

and in greybox

regardless what you think the fact the pioneer is set to be released in the next 12-18 months means basebuilding MUST come before it

[agile tinsel]

base building was always the focus for 1.0, not 4.0 (which is engineering), and any 4.1/4.2/4.3 updates will likely be polishing the new mechanics

[sand hound]

since they said pioneer wont be available base building day 1

[agile tinsel]

so you think 1.0 is in 12-18 months?

[sand hound]

no

[agile tinsel]

they already outlined what 1.0 is

[sand hound]

they show cased us all the stuff that will be in 1.0

[agile tinsel]

also, they have like a dozen ships they want to release within the next year

[sand hound]

but that shit needs to be tested before

hence T0/T1

look at the reclaimer salvage arm

[agile tinsel]

basebuilding is not coming within 12-18 months

[sand hound]

if pioneer is set to release in the next 12-18 months then it sure is

4.0 will not be exclusively engineering

[agile tinsel]

ah yes, because clearly CIG is ALWAYS on time, and they ALWAYS release ships with its features

[agile tinsel]

no, it literally is exclusively for engineering

that is the entire point of 4.0

engineering makes up a majority of the update

[sand hound]

ok so what 3.0 focused on

[agile tinsel]

[sand hound]

we got alot more then just cargo buddy

[agile tinsel]

ah yes, apples and oranges

[sand hound]

4.0 the actual patch will be engineering

[agile tinsel]

because that was the original plan

lmao

[sand hound]

4.1 will add more stuff

4.2 will add different stuff

etc

[agile tinsel]

no one has even commented on 4.1/4.2/4.3

I am talking 4.0

[sand hound]

and im talking 4.x

hello?

[agile tinsel]

^

I am going to lose it

what does THE FUCKING 0 MEAN THEN

[sand hound]

yes the whole of the 4.(something) patch cycle is engineering

keep believe that

[agile tinsel]

YOU SAID 4.0, SO I ASSUMED THIS WAS ABOUT 4.0

jesus christ

if you are talking about a .x update, literally say "4.x"

[agile tinsel]

4.0 is entirely about engineering, we do not know what 4.1/.2/.3 is about, but is very unlikely to be major mechanics when they still need to polish existing features

[sand hound]

ok i guess i wasnt clear enough so let me spell it out

base building will be a 4.x feature

[agile tinsel]

it will not, and anyone who believes CIG will push a feature as large as basebuilding within 12-18 months is insane

they have been talking about basebuilding for years

[sand hound]

well the fact the pioneer is slated to release in the next 12-18 months contradicts that statement

[agile tinsel]

you see a graybox and immediately assume they're that close to release?

[sand hound]

no

[agile tinsel]

slated=/=will release

[sand hound]

i see they say pioneer will release in next 12-18 months

[agile tinsel]

clearly CIG is always on time

[sand hound]

if polaris releases this iae ill trust them

[agile tinsel]

you do realize how many ships they promised within 12 months, yes?

there's 9/10 of them

[sand hound]

thats a 90

oh you mean for the future

[agile tinsel]

you are assuming that they will not only release all of those ships, but also basebuilding?

[sand hound]

they only mission 1 from last year

missing*

[signal vortex]

lowkey thay need to give the perseus the same turret design as the jav with the size 4s on top[

[sand hound]

that would be dope

[sand hound]

they said they wont release ships without their intended gameloop

[agile tinsel]

I wouldn't hold your breath, I doubt the perseus will see any major changes

[sand hound]

this means for pioneer to release basebuilding has to come before it or with it

and they already said pioneer wont be out day 1 of basebuilding

which implies basebuilding is out before pioneer

[agile tinsel]

basebuilding also has its own loops associated with it

and systems

and complexity

[sand hound]

for sure

[agile tinsel]

seriously doubt that within 12-18 months they'll have everything figured out and ready

[sand hound]

well they showed us they did already

at least to greybox standards

[agile tinsel]

you mean the same pictures and pre-rendered stuff we've seen for years?

let me say this again

graybox means nothing

literally

[cursive drum]

Figured out or done?

[agile tinsel]

it is the most basic design that they can physically show us

[sand hound]

greybox didnt mean anything back in 2016-2019

[agile tinsel]

done

[agile tinsel]

it still doesn't

[cursive drum]

I’ll eat a shoe if that is true.

[sand hound]

however as of last citizencon they have done a pretty good job of being accurate

[agile tinsel]

deal

[cursive drum]

Polaris will be out in 12 months.
Takes 13.
Hangars will let you spawn vehicles on separate elevators.
X_X
Pyro will be out in 1 year or less.
Soon.™️

[cursive drum]

But if you are wrong then you gotta eat one, so…

[agile tinsel]

I'll even do leather

got some like 5 year old leather shoes sitting in the back

I mean, if we are exclusively looking at graybox as being an indicator for release

look at old concepts

they've been sitting in graybox for so many years now

hell, most of them needed reconcepting because of it

[sand hound]

i mean if polaris comes out iae i think thats fair i think they meant to say by the end of next year not necessarily next citizencon

and they got pyro in evo so thats good enough for me

i will say im somewhat annoying by the delay of store bought items being retrived/vehicle elevators but them adding freight elevators/item kiosks in general shows they are making progress

[cursive drum]

Well they said within 1 year and I really hate waiting.

[sand hound]

well they would only release it with a ship sale for marketing

so IAE is the only option

even if they finished it early they would still wait to release it at IAE

cause marketing is the real CIG CEO

[fluid plume]

12-18 months for pioneer then base building tier 0 will be here 11-17 months then lol

[late crypt]

3 CCUs needed to complete, IAE here I come

ignore the 120, it is LTI fr fr no cap

[lone tundra]

[late crypt]

i hope the large top forward turret has beefy boom boom effects

[jolly pine]

there’s a second one on the bottom bud

[crystal sleet]

Youll get 4 beefy booms, expect your ship to move the opposite way when your gjns are firing broadside lmao

-# guns firing wont affect your trajectory, dw lol

[drifting solar]

Most epic way to slow down

[crystal sleet]

the A Team flying a tank style

[drifting solar]

The brilliant thing about the Perseus is it only requires 3 persons to fully crew it
The CIWS are automated, but they can be manned

[sand hound]

your forgetting about engineering

but yes you can use all the weapons in combat with only 3

[drifting solar]

Yes and no, according to the latest news, they said the Perseus should be solo able without too much trouble

But they could change that anyways

If we include Engineering it still makes 4 ppl
Not so much

[sand hound]

i dont know about soloable since pilot only has torps

but yeah i think your realistically be pretty optimal with 4

if engineering is spread out maybe 5

but thats still insane when compared to something like redeemer/connie

[drifting solar]

yeah when i mean soloable, i mean daily drive, pilot can do slightly more than just pilot, and probably won't need too much maintenance

[drifting solar]

i doubt we'll ever have that but it would be nice to slave at least one of 2 main turrets to the Pilot with blades

[crystal sleet]

wait where did they say that? thats news to me, even though it was pretty obvious without cig saying anything

[drifting solar]

"Will it have pilot-controlled weapons? Will both big manned turrets be able to link to the pilot via computer blades if the crew gets sick?
The pilot will have access to the torpedoes, and some of the other bridge stations will be able to control weapons. Like other ships with manned turrets, they’re designed to be human-operated. However, as a fallback, they will be able to be NPC-crewed or equipped with a computer blade." ~from the Perseus Q&A

It's not exactly clear what blades will allow but that's what we know for now

"In several Q&As of past years we learned that some day computer blades will make it possible to link turrets to the pilot.

Off the top of my head I remember the Hammerhead Q&A which made it clear this includes manned turrets. (unless they changed their design choices since)

EDIT: Link to the Q&A + excerpt in a comment below

So until they finally present the final form of computer blades, blade space and subcomponents properly, ship balance by gun control is not clearly defined.

The simple of it is: computer blade space is limited. If you use it for slaving turrets to the pilot you can't use that part of the blade space for other neat features your ship could have as a tradeoff.

I feel like half this sub forgot about this bit of future planned customization." ~from a reddit post

So when they say computer blades, without necessarily quoting AI turrets, it may mean, controlled by the pilot, but again, according to their old statements about computer blades

[round zodiac]

Was this post made after having read https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/a-quick-note-to-our-solo-players/7315310 ?

[drifting solar]

nah the Reddit post is old af
saw that today
i deduce it will only allow AI aiming

[lone tundra]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/16185-The-Shipyard-Turrets
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/16193-The-Shipyard-Other-Ship-Items
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/16317-q-a-aegis-hammerhead
PDS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xEPygBUoqA&t=2210s
Mining blade reference: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/17403-Q-A-ARGO-MOLE
Perseus blade: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/17915-Q-A-RSI-Perseus
Scorpius blade: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/18124-Q-A-RSI-Scorpius
EWAR blade: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/18708-Q-A-Anvil-Legionnaire
All turrets can be bladed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpurmw03-KI&t=428s

For reference, the Perseus has the same computer stat as a Hammerhead (but those have always been placeholder)

Old post for npc crew too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2XuEdu-1I&t=57s

[steel thistle]

LMAO 6 years ago they promised to go back and give the phoenix remote turrets 😭🙏🏻

I'm surprised they haven't done the Connie gold passes yet

because they're one of the most popular ships in the verse

[lone tundra]

The upcoming Polaris will be the first ship we have with working PDS, I think that paves the way to get all of that onto the ships that were supposed to have them (890, Phoenix, etc)

[round zodiac]

Connies feel a lot like its the Crobert favourite. it was implemented in 1.0.0 as the big one. and has not recieved many revisions, i suspect because they want all the tech done before making it perfect

[drifting solar]

ayo thanks a lot

[steel thistle]

they said remote turret pds same thing so I thought they talking about remote turrets like the Hercules has all over for example

[cursive drum]

890 when and where?

[steel thistle]

Idris has working pds too but it's not in our hands

[steel thistle]

happy birthday‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🎉🎉🎂🎉🎉🎂💯💯💯🎂🎂🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳💯‼️‼️‼️‼️

[steel thistle]

yeah probably

[cursive drum]

Thx!

[steel thistle]

you're welcome

ngl blades is what I've been waiting for

[cursive drum]

Same.

[steel thistle]

it's gonna make running all ships with them so much easier

hopefully you can turn them on and off on the fly at an engineering station

so that way if a gunner or co pilot needs to dismount to engineer we can toggle the AI blade on when seat is empty as a default option or something

idk

turret still going while empty until they get back

would be cool

[bitter nymph]

I hope we can’t automate the big turrets.

The optimal Perseus being just a pilot and an engineer is Sadge

[round zodiac]

video indicates blade can automate manned turrets /shrug

[lone tundra]

Was always part of the plan, even 10 years ago. Whether by blade or by npc, the only true restriction is that NPCs cannot fly your ships for you, everything could theoretically be solo'd by a player

The only thing blades can't do is automate utility slots (mining, salvage, tractor)

[bitter nymph]

I can always hope

Because otherwise the Perseus isn’t anything more than a stepping stone to the javelin

Because. If you can automated the guns on a Perseus, you can automate the guns on a javelin.

[lone tundra]

I doubt it would have enough blade slots for that, you're also losing other blade functionality (which they haven't really talked about overall)

• Engineering requirements - Even an Idris has engineering locations all over the entire ship, like a Polaris (to a smaller degree). Perseus though, relatively small, easier to manage. It is designed to function as point defense for those larger ships, like a Hammerhead does for anti-fighter screens

[cursive drum]

Excellent! As it should be??

[bitter nymph]

But I like my Perseus.

[cursive drum]

And? it’s still smaller than a Javelin.

[bitter nymph]

What I mean is

If you can solo a javelin, why use anything smaller?

[crystal sleet]

ooh, THAT latest news, forgot they hadnt talked about the perseus in ages

man, the perseus is definitely one of those ships that can be forgoten for a while, then come back as if it was always talked about

[lone tundra]

Costs, mainly

[crystal sleet]

its so perefct, it can stay relavent in the shadows

[sand hound]

maintenance cost, fuel cost, slower handling in atmo, requires much larger open area to land making it unable to land at certain places like ghost hollow due to trees

presumably larger ships wont be able to land at all

i dont think the jav can

[lone tundra]

It can't even land, would not expect it to be atmosphere capable in heavy atmo planets (microtech etc) moving forward

[crystal sleet]

also crews will not always be at full or at the desired crew size since players can be from multiple timezones/work life/ daily life scehdules

[sand hound]

^

[crystal sleet]

so a smaller crew is much more manageable

[sand hound]

they have said we would only be able to get skeleton crew's with npc's meaning we wont be able to fully crew a ship just the bare minimum

meaning efficiency will be very down

of course that can change

[lone tundra]

Citation? I don't have that in any of my notes at all

[sand hound]

let me get it

[crystal sleet]

theres still the issue of funds that go into hiring and paying npcs a wage

[cursive drum]

Because it is expensive AF?? Most people can’t even get a Javelin to solo.

[bitter nymph]

That’s just grind

Eventually isn’t balancing

[cursive drum]

So your saying a Perseus should be better than a Jav…?

[lone tundra]

If you're pioneering and industrious enough, yes, you could theoretically manage a space station and Bengal with enough UEC

Most people aren't going to do that though, it's a matter of scale. A solo player running 20+ accounts to micromanage strategic bases and fleet stuff could theoretically get it done though

I think comparing it to eve titans might be apt here - some solo players own them, and can run them with a bunch of alt accounts (cynos, early warning in surrounding systems etc) but it's generally too much risk to just take out and use. Tons of resources to get to that point, long build times, for SC, lots of maintenance/upkeep aside from just npc crew. Larger scale combat ships aren't even supposed to be moneymakers.

[bitter nymph]

I don’t think it should be possible to run any capital ship solo

Personally

[agile tinsel]

it shouldn't, but CIG has money to make

[amber crest]

What do we think about an AI blade in the turret? Thoughts, go.

[crystal sleet]

eh, if its a manual gimbal with a small range of tracking itll be fine, but if its a complete head tracking with full range itll be overkill

gotta keep the benefits of pilot slaving and manning turrets seperate

[cursive drum]

What capital ships do you own?

[bitter nymph]

Reclaimer and perseus.

[cursive drum]

Yes!

[bitter nymph]

I distinctly have not bought capital ships.

[cursive drum]

No. We need blades in case players aren’t there.

[cursive drum]

Reclaimer doesn’t have turrets. Perseus isn’t a capital.

[bitter nymph]

Mhm

[cursive drum]

Opinion irrelevant. If capital ship owners feel that they can’t find crew for them, what do you care if you are fighting against Blades or humans, especially if capital owners are happier with Blades?

[bitter nymph]

Because I don't think even a perseus should be soloed

It's perfectly coherent that I can believe nothing bigger should be either.

[cursive drum]

Not really. Obviously people want to have other humans but if they can’t, you think just not playing is better?

[bitter nymph]

I think you should use a smaller ship

[cursive drum]

I think you shouldn’t have control over what other people do. Not your ship, not your problem.

[bitter nymph]

It is. Because I don't want to play in a game where it's just javelins.

[cursive drum]

You are delulu. Less than 0.2% of people own a Javelin. There are 6M people and by my calculations, a maximum of 12K Javelins. If you don’t like the Perseus, then buy another ship nut no ship is going to be able to do everything and beat everything and it’s totally fair that larger groups should be able to function if a few are absent. The same applies to the Perseus.

[bitter nymph]

I don't have a problem with the preseus or the javelin

just with them being soloed

[cursive drum]

So what do you think is the minimal acceptable amount of crew for each?

[bitter nymph]

perseus? 3-5 crew. Javelin? 20+

probably closer to 25

[cursive drum]

Why is that?

[bitter nymph]

2 guns on the perseus. 17 on the javelin.

[cursive drum]

But why such a high minimum crew level?

[bitter nymph]

man all the guns?

[cursive drum]

But what does having more crew take away or add? Why not 2 and 8? What does having more over a base level of multicrew, around 4 presumably add?

[bitter nymph]

because the javelin is huge?

and each turret is more firepower than most ships

[cursive drum]

Only LFs.

Even a HF outdamages one.

[lone tundra]

An Inferno definitely wouldn't

[cursive drum]

That… is a special case.

[cursive drum]

What are your opinions on 4 vs 40 crew? Why have any more when Multicrew is presumably Multicrew but hopefully with less herding cats?

[bitter nymph]

Uhhh

twin s7s?

[cursive drum]

Yup.

F8C, F7A MK2, and probably Sabre Firebird/Talon Shrike while its launching missiles. But it only gets 4 passes with those…

Vanguard series as well.

[bitter nymph]

Do we know the damage of the javelins s7s?

[cursive drum]

They are M7As I think? M9As? The M series laser.

[bitter nymph]

What was that old site that wasn't erkul for ship stats?

[amber crest]

yes

[bitter nymph]

Each turret does 5000 dps.

The M9As do 2500 DPS each

And then the main batteries each do 30,000 DPS.

Each shot out of the s9 guns is 15k damage.

And they're in a quad mount

[cursive drum]

Wait, 15K or 30K?

[bitter nymph]

15K per shot. 30 shots per minute

7.5k per gun

30k for the turret

[cursive drum]

Huh, not bad. That is an anti capital gun though and can’t hit anything small. Especially not a might fighter and probably not even a Perseus.

[bitter nymph]

Eh... Accuracy through saturation.

[cursive drum]

At 1 shot every 2 seconds?

I doubt that.

[bitter nymph]

120 per minute for the mount.

[cursive drum]

Maybe with the S7s but not with the highly spread out other guns.

[cursive drum]

That is true. And not that bad.

[bitter nymph]

Also it has two of those mounts

Because... Of course it does.

If a perseus needs 3 people to get it's guns online, a javelin with 7.5 times as many of those guns and two far bigger guns doesn't seem unreasonable to have like 20 people.

[cursive drum]

Ok but not only can a Perseus be Blades into being Solo just like a Javelin but does anybody really want to be generic turret gunner #7?

[bitter nymph]

When that turret can rip a hammerhead apart?

Yes.

[cursive drum]

I personally was planning to blade the middle, forward and maybe even rear turrets and keep a skeleton crew of 6-10 for the torpedos and engineering.

[cursive drum]

A Hammerhead can simply run away and with relative ease as well.

[bitter nymph]

I mean sure? Javelins are ultimately defensive ships

They're just meant for dealing with larger prey than a hammerhead.

[cursive drum]

I still think Blades and eventually NPCs are a critical component. Regardless of what the Jav can do, how can someone be expected to find 60 people in time for a play session?

[cursive drum]

What ships are they meant to attack and how can someone find 65 people for that task.

[bitter nymph]

25

Not 65 lol

And that's what a raid in other MMOs is

[cursive drum]

Jav requires 66 crew. So captain plus 65 others.

[bitter nymph]

It has 17 guns, missiles, and then some repair crew.

25 is enough

[cursive drum]

But they aren’t just for “raiding?”

[cursive drum]

Why does it say 66?

[bitter nymph]

Because lore.

😛

[cursive drum]

And even so, where do I find 25?

[bitter nymph]

In an org?

[cursive drum]

Why wouldn’t 8 Perseus be better for that role?

[bitter nymph]

With the new group finder?

[bitter nymph]

Doesn't have the main guns?

[cursive drum]

The what?

[bitter nymph]

Didn't they show off plans for a group finder?

[cursive drum]

It has pilot controlled torpedos and more smaller guns.

[cursive drum]

Maybe? I don’t remember that.

[bitter nymph]

Anyway. One javelin or 8 perseus?

I'd suspect the javelin is more durable.

And better able to engage capital ships.

[cursive drum]

More durable, yes. But also less guns and torpedos.

[bitter nymph]

No?

1 javelin has more guns than 8 perseus.

Also it takes less crew than 8 perseus.

[cursive drum]

The Jav can bring a maximum of 8 Twin S7, 6 Twin S4, and 2 quad S9 on target at once.

[bitter nymph]

It has 15 twin s7

Oh.

On target at once.

Fair.

[cursive drum]

Assuming 1 Perseus is 3, Jav is 25, 3 X 8 = 24.

[bitter nymph]

If you're not including engineers on the perseus, don't on the javelin either

It's only 18 at that point./

[round zodiac]

it also might be possible to focus down individual persei to slowly weaken the enemy

whereas the Jav would be mostly full strength forh te whole fight

[cursive drum]

That is also true.

[cursive drum]

What is the 35 crew count you brought up? I was originally thinking 22 maximum for my own Jav.

[bitter nymph]

25

It's a big ship, having 7ish people to handle hanger operations and deal with damage seemed appropriate.

Also boarders?

18 is the bare minimum

[round zodiac]

crew is 12-80 on the wiki, odd

[bitter nymph]

In theory you don't need to man all the guns?

12 would man enough for one side.

[round zodiac]

its never clear if the crew number is skeleton, fully, or midling staffing

[cursive drum]

I think it was 66 in 3 shifts.

[round zodiac]

6 for Perseus is a full staffing, for example

[bitter nymph]

Which covers all guns, manually controlling PDCs

Or working in shifts.

Or both.

[cursive drum]

Who… would manually control the PDCs?

[bitter nymph]

I'm just trying to figure out why you'd need 6

Probably because blades are stupid compared to a human in combat?

and then you can spray fighters?

[lone tundra]

It's largely arbitrary, the extra 2 people are basically just float / exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF8V2NH3g1Y&t=133s

[round zodiac]

yea, so the Perseus wiki is an example of fully staffed

[bitter nymph]

Ahhh

Cause 3 plus an engineer is combat load.

[round zodiac]

4 is minimum i would go with. that is a pilot and both manned turrets. then the 4th would have to alternate from engineering tasks and the remote turret

Pilot would do a lot of power management while trying to keep the guns to bear and fire the odd torpedo

It'd kinda suck not having someone in the copilot seat to handle power balance and/or torpedo firing. or someone dedicated to the remote turret for harrassing snubs or playing point defense

[compact narwhal]

i cant imagine why solos can ruin orgas the multicrew game...

i dont have much time for PC games, and i bet 80% of the other citizen dont either

its silly to whish, that some content only can be played by more than 20 player

in wow i was in the parents guild to raid... because yeah those ppl dont have much time

its just like this, ppl will stop playing at some point, if the cool stuff is locked behind very big time consuming tasks, which are only to prepare playing the game...

i cant imagine, that their will be more then lets say 50 big orgas, which have enough members to man capitals at 24/7...

[reef wind]

From the sound of it, it'll be something that you can do with a group of 20 or so people so long as you have a stream of ingame revenue and supply. I don't think things will just instantly start decaying or breaking unless some amount of stress is put upon those systems.

If say 10 people can operate a xl ground base with ai assistance, be it behind the scenes or openly, in theory you could run many systems so long as you pay the ai and have a fundamental infrastructure logistic train. The results are of course speculation but it could be done depending on how they implement these systems.

Capital ships should be okay while in dry dock as most onboard systems should be on standby thus reducing wear and power consumption. In terms of operation, ai would make the bulk of middle of the line crew types with only essential positions being players making that number feasible to a degree in the 20+ range.

If that math is the end goal, small orgs would be able to operate in a normal capacity.

[drifting solar]

yeah he went to the backrooms for a while lol

[grave canyon]

dont play games that are grindy if you do not have time to grind

[compact narwhal]

well a MMO is for everyone, so stop telling dont play it... you want to force and disallow me allready some Content, now go futher and say go away...

after that, all your mighty Org will play against Bots, because no one will stay

[grave canyon]

saying mmo's are time consuming and it's bad is like saying souls-like games are hard and it's bad

don't play it if you don't have the time

[compact narwhal]

i said, waiting 3 hours for 40 ppl to get rady is bad....

i did not say cahllanging 6 hours the dungeon is bad at all

but you know, maybe in some yaers i can have advancde chatGPT bots outside of SC wich log in and play with me Crew !

than i have bots wich are better then players that would be fun no

well i dont really get it...

all i say and want is, give room for both

you say lock solos out

i even would findt it very cool, as new player to have a minor role on a capital wich the captain and owner is NPC

[fluid matrix]

Crew size was always talked about. The big problem is everyone owning their own multicrew and hoping for a solo solution

The idea is if you dont have enough people fly a solo/smaller ship. You get the same content

Just compare it to Sea of Thieves. You dont get to solo the gallion there eather

[compact narwhal]

yeah they better would sell seat and rank licensces

like a captains seat of jav costs 5000 bugs

a weapons officer goes 1000

a turret gunner goes 200

that way multipl ppl would owne a multicrew ship....

but its not the case

[grave canyon]

oh no i cant do a wow dungeon or a destiny raid solo, what a bad game

[fluid matrix]

Didn't say their marketing supports the intended gamelay.. selling big ships to a single person is bad for gameplay but great for money

[compact narwhal]

the compare was only for the prep of such task...

its different owning a ship, then going into a site

but rotate m words as you wish

let me play my style, thats all i let yours

again, i dont see why your way of playing gets damged if i play side by side with you...

[fluid matrix]

Like I even have that problem in my own group.. everyone owning their own ship.

[grave canyon]

m words?

[grave canyon]

play your way as much as you want, dont come expecting tho you can man a capital ship and own a station without ever playign with another soul

[compact narwhal]

yaeh, but i think in bigger scales, i hope there will be pve tasks which need multiple multicrew ships to beat them

So lets say real fleet dungeons

wich are doable by 1 player each ship or multi each ship, but not by singel ship

[compact narwhal]

i never said taht, i will have souls around me, but yeah not 24/7

[fluid matrix]

In my oppionion its not the solos out there being wrong, but CIG for giving a false promise by selling you these big ships

[compact narwhal]

i think singel ship is to small for this game... the roles are on player and ships aswell, so group play contains more then one player and more then one ship

[compact narwhal]

my words

[grave canyon]

??

[grave canyon]

nah, if you thinking you're gonna one man a percy or polaris and utilize it well you are wrong

[compact narwhal]

for this there is NPC crew...

[grave canyon]

yeah if you think npc crew will equal a player crew you are also wrong

they literally said this in citcon

[compact narwhal]

i am fine with that

never said they need to be good, i am no max out over power player

average performance is enought to have fun

not able to play is not fun

[fluid matrix]

They told us no NPC crew coming

At least for 1.0

[compact narwhal]

so its still this envy and fear, that your multi human crew experience will be broken, if its viable to fly with NPCs

because what, all you crew mates in real tend to have more fun with commanding their own ship, so your crew goes away?

or because you fear to be outnumberd, by NPCs in a PVP zone?

[compact narwhal]

well i allready waiting 12 years, i can wait again some more

[grave canyon]

i do not care, envy, or fear about your or anybody else's experience in this game

i'm just stating what they already did

i'm not gonna have a crew with me most of the time anyway

i'm just not expecting my ai crew to be good or even exist

[compact narwhal]

ok well, then just tell me, good luck hope CIG makes your dreams come true

and not say, you cant do that, go away ;-D

[crystal sleet]

pov - certain death

[round zodiac]

broadside would be more death. both turrets on you

[errant warren]

I mean if you are directly infront you prob gon get rammed

[round zodiac]

Not designed for ramming. Despite the arrowhead

[steel thistle]

wont stop me

[cursive drum]

It’s concept image shows it ramming apart a Hammerhead.

[round zodiac]

They explained in Q&A that it's actually been shot in half and flown through

[cursive drum]

Right…

[round zodiac]

Hammerhead specifically is a purpose built armoured rammer designed to fight a handful of vanduul fighters at a time.

Vanduul are famous for ramming, hence their ships the Glaive and Scythe

So it's a good promo shot appearing tovram through the famously durable, but it's fake. Blown apart and flown through

[cursive drum]

1. Why was it shot apart? Is that Treason I detected?
2. Why is there an airlock and missiles on the front of the ship? Wouldn’t those significantly reduce its ramming effectiveness?

[round zodiac]

its more deisgned to TAKE hits than dish them

[sand hound]

they did clarify later on that the perseus cannot ram and it was just a marketing image

on the topic of NPC crews, the main form of progression in star citizen is literally getting bigger ships. So while i agree npc crews should not be competitive against actual player crews they are a necessity since otherwise you would be progression locked behind needing to find more people to play with when those other players also want their own ships.

if there turns out to be a massive portion of the community that does not want to fly their own ships and would rather be crew ill probably change my opinion on npc crew but i dont think there will be enough people to crew everyones larger ships.

[fluid matrix]

This is still Perseus clubhouse. And the Perseus is literally the only big ship with a manageable skeleton crew of 3. Like the only big ship with no need for NPC`s. I dont understand all that NPC/Blade talk in here.

[cursive drum]

But then… why progress if the ships get less and less effective?

[cursive drum]

That’s… because it’s not big.

[little sapphire]

Last I thought I read, could be wrong. Was that your crews can pilot your ships as well.

[compact narwhal]

NPCs can do it all, or we well not have good PVE anyway

its just the question how much will be locked for the player NPC crew, the NPC only crews need to be able to do it all

or how shell PVE work?

if not some elements of the game will ever only by PVP, i think not that this is the intended way for SC

[compact narwhal]

or lets ask another question, boarding a Javelin NPC grants full npc crew? if i manage to get into the bridge?

hm in the future hopfully the enemy npc crew denies duty under rebell captains! 😉

[crystal sleet]

id rather just have blades which can be overridden by real players at anytime

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[stable granite]

Uh perseus is a capital now...?

[crystal sleet]

yeah i dont know, hopefully shes not a cap

[drifting solar]

They corrected themselves
It might go up in size but will still stay subcap

[crystal sleet]

a little size increase sounds alright, maybe theyll make it carry a bit more scu, or maybe lead to extra pdts being installed

[drifting solar]

s3 medical bay maybe? like the Starlancer TAC

[crystal sleet]

oooh they could do that with the size increase, thatd be cool

[agile tinsel]

It’s smaller than a hammerhead by a good bit

It will never be a capital even with an increase

Don’t know why CIG is trying to say otherwise since they’ve been pretty firm that it’s not a capital for years

[crystal sleet]

well they apparently came out on spectrum to say it was a mistake

[amber crest]

How big is it going to grow? Already 100m

[agile tinsel]

Er, by none I’d say, unless they grow it a few meters to fit in a medical area

Growing the Perseus kinda defeats the point of getting the Perseus

[amber crest]

True

[crystal sleet]

doesnt it already fit an ursa?

[amber crest]

Yes

[drifting solar]

Yes it has a 50scu cargo hold I think (according to the concept)

[round zodiac]

it shappenin boiiiiis

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-panic-its-happening-michael-scott-freak-out-gif-5524844

[agile tinsel]

ngl, they could easily push galaxy out by Q1/Q2 of next year

since it's small

gonna be so hyped with polaris and perseus out

[signal vortex]

perseus is smaller then galaxy

[round zodiac]

Galaxy is 110m And needs modules modeled.
Perseus is 100m

[crystal sleet]

Lmao they rolled back the whole galaxy thing, wonder what theyll do now that theyve posted on spectrum, would they push the perseus back for the galaxy now?

[steel thistle]

😭💀

[crystal sleet]

Fuck yeah, im glad thats been cemented down, cant wait to see more vidoes online about the perseus

Been too many videos using the perseus in their thumbnails but no actual perseus stuff (except astrohistorians video on famous sub capital navy ships)

[static cape]

hype lads

[crystal sleet]

I think its just the resolution, i noticed some better panel lining and textures on some close ups of the ship. It should be more recognisable up close

[agile tinsel]

#sc-news message they immediately went into damage control

[crystal sleet]

Lmao, a great shit show that was

[steel thistle]

its cuz i crashed out and destroyed manchester HQ

[agile tinsel]

delayed SQ42 and 1.0 by another 10 years

[steel thistle]

real 😭

[cursive drum]

Thats a bad thing.

[round zodiac]

it means Perseus is next

this isthe Perseus cope room

[cursive drum]

But no Galaxy or Galaxy build module.

[round zodiac]

now there will be one

[signal vortex]

i think we see perseus at ILW

[sand hound]

ILW would be the best time to sell it but knowing their track history of deliverying ships that might be a stretch

i guess it depends on how much % of the percy is reused assets from polaris

[crystal sleet]

considering the perseus is a small ship relative to the polaris, i reckon therell be some bespoke assets for the perseus, especially the torpedo room and the forward and rear gun halls

[crystal sleet]

but even then it should all be shared assets either than the exposed reloading mechanism and the torpedo loading equipment unless they covered up the reloader and just used the torpedo revolver

[round zodiac]

bed hall and rec room will have lots of shared assets. not to mention things that didnt end up used for polaris can find a spot in Perseus. and even little things like colour swatches are prepared

[crystal sleet]

original perseus concept lmao

those side flaps were meant to be where the s7 turrets extended out from

thank go they changed it and made it look good

[signal vortex]

lowkey dont hate the mini jav

[reef wind]

Maybe if it kept the current perseus bridge, shortened the flaps by half and smoothed the rough box shape near the front flaps, it'd translate well for a ship reclaimer size.

It's a neat concept to be fair. Just a bit rough

[signal vortex]

ya and i don't like the big flaps at the corners

[cursive drum]

Pocket Cruiser.

[crystal sleet]

Space Pocket Battleship Graf Spee

[cursive drum]

Battlecruiser.

[crystal sleet]

Pocket cruiser '_,

[cursive drum]

[crystal sleet]

just some yellow boxing... "renditions" of the perseus

[steel thistle]

wtf is that 😭

javeline lite ahh

javelin SE 😭

[crystal sleet]

i dunno either lmao, it was apparently a leaked image from some stream. I have no idea what the original source was, all im told that this is what the perseus originally was drawn up as before they understood large combatship and capital ship design

thank god we went from that to this

oh yeah, just a reminder that the perseus originally had broadside s7 turrets like how the javelin has its turrets, but they deploy from beneath those wing-flaps

[round zodiac]

thats certainly more... RSI

[fluid plume]

still would have been way cooler if it had two turrets in front of bridge and one behind, giving it perfect battleship look

like a mini bengal cruiser

[crystal sleet]

maybe one day CIG will figure out how much we fucking LOVE space battleships and just release a literal space battleship (although the "battlecuiser" is technically a battleship)

[fluid plume]

i mean they still have a chance polaris is missile boat, perseus isnt a cap, they could make another corvette thats just a bigger perseus with battleship layout of guns meant for brawling compared to polaris uselessness in that regard

[round zodiac]

trluy, From The Depths is proof gamers love battleships

[fluid plume]

triple barrel size 7 in 3 turrets

[round zodiac]

World of Ships too i suppose

[crystal sleet]

god, imagine a massize RSI battlship thats an upsized perseus with a front thats got something like a bulbous bow, maybe some snub fighter catapaults like ww2 warships with their spotting planes

[round zodiac]

itd have to be some alien thing to justify its existence against he Perseus.

[fluid plume]

i mean we already have the bengal cruiser variant which is basically a battleship

[round zodiac]

not RSI or MISC

CO, perhaps.

Pioneer chassis but battleship

[crystal sleet]

co is too "country" for combat, perhaps crusader could make pocket battleships since they get to have low gravity shipyards?

[round zodiac]

thats pretty Aegis. they'd be good too since they Messed around a lot

[fluid plume]

if anyone is making battleships its either aegis or rsi

[round zodiac]

Aegis Messenger. for the Messers

delivers pain.

[crystal sleet]

yeah, a crusader capital ship would definitely be based on supply and resources

[fluid plume]

battleship is probably just another bengal variant with instead of the triple barrel turret from cruiser its probably more turrets based on the rail gun under the bengal carrier variant

[crystal sleet]

perhaps they could introduce an entirely new manufacturer specifically for large battleship and cruiser style warships? Like how most navies today have dedicated companies for ship building?

[fluid plume]

but i think new UEE doesnt use battleships anymore in lore, messers were about big and loud, new uee seems to be more fast and carrier focus

which explains the 3 bengal variants
CV
CVE
CA

[round zodiac]

Messer had an iron fist approach'

new UEE is supportive and pushing logistics

little less germany, little more US 😛

[crystal sleet]

perhaps theyll put little easter eggs referencing or outright showing a UEEN battleship in the form of wrecks or a museum ship?

[fluid plume]

tbh the next big military ship we see is probably gonna be a RSI "replacement" of idris as new UEE distance themselves more and more from messer regime, the jav will probably stay since aegis built it to stay relevant in new uee

[crystal sleet]

imagine something like in the Battleship movie, where the crewmen work with the veterans of the USS Missouri to reactivate the museum ship to fight the aliens, except at a low gravity ship drydock and against invading vanduul

[crystal sleet]

i bet RSI will be the new Messer era Aegis in todays era, RSI building increasingly larger and more powerful ships until something gets turned over

[fluid plume]

well i mean RSI was aegis before messer, they built ships for the UPE

aegis only got contracts cause they were in bed with messers and pushed out rsi

not to mention rsi was anti messer under the hood

[round zodiac]

RSI is Boeing and Aegis is Lockheed Martin?

[crystal sleet]

all i want is an RSI carrier the size of the kraken, but with internal hangars and an internal gravlev catapault

[fluid plume]

more like RSI is boeing, aegis is mcdogulas , and anvil is lockheed

[round zodiac]

fair. i only spent breif time in the military world

tech support for a naval software/hardware company

so i dont know many more contractors than Lockheed XD

[fluid plume]

tbh i would love rsi light carrier but i think the best we gonna get is the bengal cve variant

[round zodiac]

why the salute? you work on ships? 😄

[crystal sleet]

yeah, we just need a Kraken competitor

[crystal sleet]

lol no, im a civvie who works on house walls

[round zodiac]

ha. i guess that makes me slightly more militarized and worth a salute

6 months in naval software. Canada Reliability status

never got to a ship though, but it was a possibility in the job description.
i just worked for hte manufacturor on land

[crystal sleet]

worked on resources and equiment related to ships, its close enough

[round zodiac]

framer? my cousin was one for years

[crystal sleet]

painter

[round zodiac]

ah

specializing in xerous neon paints i hope

[crystal sleet]

freelance painter for domestic buildings, just your normal waterbased semigloss painter

neon paints sound cool though, albeit messy sounding

[round zodiac]

and eye peircing

[crystal sleet]

aye, if the ultraviolet lights dont fry your flesh and eyes first

[round zodiac]

some blue halogen lamps in a room painted neon pink

easy cone damage

[crystal sleet]

only the best harmful photon radiation damage for my customers

[steel thistle]

if theres another cap itll probs be crusader

industry one

[cursive drum]

“Battleships.”

It has 2 500MM Railguns and can 1 V 1 a Bengal while being 80M long.

[round zodiac]

i believ the discussion was about a replacement to hte Idris that isnt made by Aegis. and that 3 bow turrets are beautiful

itd be a 3x twinS8 gunship. like 160m

[fluid plume]

if we talking about perseus and its dual size 7 i doubt it can 1v1 a bengal probably get one shotted by the quad size 12 turret on bengals belly

[cursive drum]

Why do you hate Aegis? They actually use sensible design in their ships.

[cursive drum]

I was talking about my own FTD design.

[fluid plume]

unironically why UEE been getting their butts kicks cause aegis caps didnt hold up well against vanduul

the jav is the exception considering aegis had to try with that one

[cursive drum]

Since when? What does RSI have that Aegis doesn’t.

[fluid plume]

well looking at idris and how bulky it is preferred by messers safe to assume their other designs were bulky as well, didnt hold up well against the vanduul in first encounters, which is why the relatively "modern" caps we see now are more angled to help against vanduul ramming tactics among other things

[cursive drum]

The Idris has good space use and many redundant systems. How is that bad design?

[fluid plume]

not saying its a bad design lol

just in lore aegis only got military contracts cause RSI was anti messer, and aegis was in bed with messers and fulfilled the idea messers had that big was better

[slim tartan]

idris!

[cursive drum]

But… RSI makes bigger ships and they generally look worse.

[fluid plume]

but even so idris own lore had it first being a corvette but stuck in development hell caused it to get fat

[cursive drum]

Ok but Javelin is the first of the nest generation of ships.

[fluid plume]

we never seen wat ageis ships looked like during the time of messers besides idris, cause new UEE has been distancing themselves from Messer regime replacing alot of their ships with RSI ships since RSI was the military ship guys under the UPE

[cursive drum]

It was probably Idris and Javelin.

[fluid plume]

the jav is a response to how new UEE was working and wanting to distance themselves from messers, so aegis had to try inorder to not lose all their contracts to RSI

[cursive drum]

But… it’s bigger than the Idris?

[fluid plume]

cause their different classes of ships

is all of this just going over your head?

[cursive drum]

You said Aegis made bigger ships because the Messers wanted bigger.

[fluid plume]

yes but beside idris we dont know what the other classes of ships looked like under messer regime that all so far been replaced by RSI in the "modern" day and jav is part of that modern rebuild

[cursive drum]

So there were other capital ships and not just Javs?

[fluid plume]

i mean there had to be a DD before jav was made right?

there had to be a aegis carrier before bengal was made right?

thats why im saying based on how different the idris looks compared to jav we can probably assume alot of the "big" messer style ships looked more like idris then jav

[cursive drum]

Carrier, yes. When was Jav made again?

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during the fall of the messers

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Which may be cool. Why haven’t more been released.

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it was being designed/prototype as messers fell

cause its all lore, not every ship in lore has to get made, nor does everything need to be fully fleshed out there's probably alot of lore they kept hidden from us to not spoil stuff in sq42 maybe little easter eggs as well

for all we know there might be a mission that takes us into a boneyard of old messer UEE ships

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Ooh, that could be fun.

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for example new UEE from my understanding doesnt even use battleships anymore
Battleship doctrine probably fit Messers more
and new UEE seems to be more focus on fast and carrier doctrine which explains the bengal family of ships CV, CVE, CA
I mean the polaris in lore was to be a cheaper and faster response ship that kinda fulfills what the idris was originally meant to be during its development hell phase before it ballooned and became a frigate (in lore) not what cig actually did to make it

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like im sure they covered, we were discusisng a post-messer "modern" biggestboy

a battleship for the 30th century

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And how is that working out for them?

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I kinda want one. As long as its from Aegis, I would probably buy it.

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its a very 'fall of hte empire' star wars era for SC lore

trying to moderate a multi-solar empire with courtesy instead of fear

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well UEE is inspired by roman history cough cough Earth and Terra East and West rome sus sus

and with the instability the messers have caused the new UEE is pretty shaken to their core probably not gonna last much longer

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umm pretty good if im not mistaken i think battle of vega 2 is the first time humanity has taken out a king ship in the 300ish years of fighting the vanduul

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And how did that work out?

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I thought the Messers are dead?

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one lives hiding somewhere

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But it took out multiple opposing ships.

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And how is one single Messer making that big of a Mess?

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theyre still trying to pick up the peices that comes from an iron fist empire crumbling

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cause he was basically discount space hitler?

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the end of Messers is like.. the death star exploding killing the empire

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But hopefully less expensive? Or was the Retribution involved?