Idris Friggin' Frigate Fandom

[gaunt frigate]

This thread stands for the military might of the Idris and all its variants

[shadow idol]

[sharp dragon]

@gaunt frigate thx for opening my beloved requested idris channel

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-idris-ship-space-spaceship-gif-23928674

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-idris-space-space-ship-gif-17340102

Cant wait to shoot with that big boy at enemy ships

[inner river]

collecting threads ignore me

[sharp dragon]

What are you guys planing on using the idris for? What role will it play for you?

[tired owl]

i think i'm going to use it as a huge night club

i said it like that but it's actually not a bad idea you know...
Instead of paying for a crew
im making people pay to be part of the crew, you know like a boat cruise but military

if you pay for the highest ticket you get to fire the railgun or some shit

[sharp dragon]

huh

[shadow idol]

Multirole, carrier, and exploration mothership

[sharp dragon]

Mine will be escord ship, defending my main home next to my javelin

Or lead ship for bigger strike missions

Prob used daily

Nvm i think polaris will be the daily

[tired owl]

More seriously I’m going to use it as a long range « explorer » with friends
And use Perseus or Polaris as daily driver

[sharp dragon]

yeah idris will be better for longer explorations, good armor, range and a shit load of guns to protect yourself and your other ships

also you can do some repairs and can carry some fighters

[shadow idol]

and the hangar space big enough to fit a wide variety of multi role stuff.

[sharp dragon]

[tired owl]

Yeah and unlike the Polaris or actual exploration ships
You can carry multiple ships, that have different roles
It gives more flexibility

[reef flame]

msr best

[sharp dragon]

only use is to dump it into the trash

or salvage it

[sharp dragon]

the question is should i get the 15k pack and just upgrade it a bit or stay with my idris K

but on the other hand i would have a idris M and K

but man then i need to put in a lot more money then i was planning to xd

like 15k for the Pack, 3k Javelin, 2k Kraken Priv, 1.65k Kraken, 1.85k Idris K........

also an Hull E and stuff since its not in the pack

[shadow idol]

I want the Idris M with the K laser beam. But I don't want to give up turrets for it.

[sharp dragon]

you dont need

you can just swap the weapons how you like

no need to swap every weapon

[fallow spade]

Damn this ship looks sick

[shadow idol]

the K variant also loses a turret according to what I've read

[sharp dragon]

K lose the s7 infront above te hangar

[shadow idol]

My friend has been away for days and his account is still saying "in Menus"

[sharp dragon]

Yeah i had that bug with some friends aswell

[sharp dragon]

Idris now cig

[shadow idol]

Yes! Idris now.

[odd igloo]

Don't mind me, just collecting my favorite clubs

[sharp dragon]

:3

no problem

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-idris-soon-soon-tm-galaxy-gif-17302039

[odd igloo]

Can't wait until I can run down the hallways giggling discovering every little nook and cranny.

[sharp dragon]

^^

i see your may was successfully aswel

[odd igloo]

I wish I could have grabbed a Javelin. I'm thinking about pulling my Kraken out of buybacks from last year.

[sharp dragon]

I love the javelin

[slim ledge]

BIg gun go boom

[pearl coyote]

big boom

[sharp dragon]

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[gritty osprey]

So let’s say I melt everything and get an Idris one day, which is the best variant for blowing stuff up?

[sharp dragon]

you can have only 1 tho with a gun

Idris P is base with no gun

like a "explorer"

you can buy the K kit for another 350 i think

then you have the Laserbeam s10

and some turrets and pds

The M is the mili one with Ballistic Railgun

and has more armor then the K but is slower

K is a bit faster

i bet the Meta later will be idris M with the K kit but keep the S7 infront

but to get the M you need to buy the 15k or the 42k pack

so not worth it

i msg with support tho about that and they said they gife my ideas to the guys doing the packs. maybe we are lucky and get some new packs with the idi M in

i really hope for one

[gritty osprey]

Thanks that is very descriptive!

[pearl coyote]

you can unlock the ballistic rail gun ingame by gaining reputation with UEE Navy so even if you get the idris P you will still be able to get the iconic rail gun

[sharp dragon]

But no s7 gun above the hangar..

But they said you can upgrade any idi to the m ingame later

But it will be ecpensive af i think

[pearl coyote]

idris k missile turret

personally i think the missile turret will be better then the s7 turret

[sharp dragon]

Nop

[bright valley]

Anyone own a idris m

[sharp dragon]

A few who got the 15k pack

And some old guys who buyed it back in the das

[bright valley]

Is the 15k pack worth it

[sharp dragon]

In my opinion no

[bright valley]

Can sameone help steal a idris

[sharp dragon]

They made it harder to steal one

[sharp dragon]

I hope they release the idris with chapter 1 of sq42

[sharp dragon]

we do need idris for pyro

[dreamy lynx]

Didn't they say they are going to

Or was that another capital ship

[sharp dragon]

Polaris will come out

[gritty osprey]

We need Idris.

[sharp dragon]

Yes

[pearl coyote]

idris not being released until SQ42 is released

javelin will be released after SQ42 is dropped

[gritty osprey]

I am one of the club now!

[sharp dragon]

good job

[gritty osprey]

It stalled for a second so I thought I didn't get the order in fast enough, but it went through.

[sharp dragon]

good job

welcome to ma club

make sure to buy the aftermarket kit aswell

[gritty osprey]

Right, I guess I will melt my F8 for now to grab that then buy it back later.

[pearl coyote]

welcome

now to complete initiation please post you hate polaris

😂

[sharp dragon]

polaris aint gonna kill a idris if they are crewed ^^

@wild ridge your allowed to join ma club :3 also you can put that IFC on your name

[gritty osprey]

Idris is so cool

[sharp dragon]

it is just love

[merry herald]

You stole this from me didn’t you?

[pearl coyote]

did you just go back and read the whole chatlog?

[sharp dragon]

I made it into a gif

[merry herald]

Yup!

[drifting breach]

Why do we have kraken and privateer as separate ships but there’s a kit to make normal kraken a privateer but idris k is only a kit not a kit as well as its own ship

[pearl coyote]

probably because the idris M exists

[drifting breach]

how does that apply to what i said the k is its own variant

[merry herald]

I’m not buying an Idris P. And nobody can make me!

[pearl coyote]

because what they essentially wanted with the K-kit was a middle ground between the P and M since they made the M unpledgeable and then people cried saying they also wanted the s10 laser beam on their idris m

so they couldnt just make a idris K standalone

it had to be something that could be put on both P and K which would make more sense to just sell as modular items not its own ship

is there a reason you want it as a standalone?

[drifting breach]

Looking for consistency more than anything

I’m gonna use an Idris Till they release the kraken and obviously you can’t have an Idris without some sort of massive weapon

[pearl coyote]

i mean, k kit is +300 so even if they sold a idris-k standalone it would probably cost the same as a idris + 300$

although it is annoying their lack of consistency

[drifting breach]

it should cost the exact same im not looking for a better price i just want a k option plus it would add to the pool of limited ships

[drifting breach]

And the obvious just add some consistency

[pearl coyote]

im still waiting for them to just add modularity to the game and stop stupid variants

[drifting breach]

we need variants because modularity is years away sadly

the kits should be simple like swapping weapons

[merry herald]

Hornets have Modularity. Why don’t other things? They could make modularity just like swapping a weapon.

[drifting breach]

Could and should but i don’t think it’s a large enough problem for them to dedicate people to rn

[onyx oracle]

Jesus that’s actually terrifying

[gritty osprey]

I’m confused, the K kit is just a bunch of weapons. So you don’t like that?

[drifting breach]

It’s pretty clear all i want is consistency the k kit should exist as well as a k variant to outright purchase as is the case with the kraken variants

[sharp dragon]

It is?

When you have a P you can buy the k kit everday warbond in may and nov with store credit

[drifting breach]

You can buy the kraken upgrade any day if you own the kraken but there’s still a separate ship that you can buy

[sharp dragon]

K is not a ship

[merry herald]

Didn't the K used to exist but then was made into only a set of weapons?

[drifting breach]

I have never heard this but I’m still only a few years in

[merry herald]

Same!

[wild ridge]

does the p variant have anything over the k kit?

like do you lose anything from the p that the k doesn't have

[pearl coyote]

yeah the p has the ship

[wild ridge]

well duh

i mean like

does one have more cargo

or any of that shit

[pearl coyote]

no different like that between p and k

only difference like that is between m and p

p has less armor more cargo and faster, m more armor less cargo and slower

the P i believe has more manned turrets the K has more remote turrets

[merry herald]

The K is an upgrade to the P. The P is a useless stupid brick and my most hated ship in the entire game. The M has the power of a god to smite any ship in existence.

[drifting breach]

the m also has torpedos

if they sold idris Ms or a kit for the M i would buy it instantly its so much better than the k

dam people who had money back then

[pearl coyote]

you can upgrade p to m ingame

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

I can see them changing their minds on alot of things but i doubt they go back on that especially with the amount of money it takes to buy the p in the first place

[drifting breach]

thats what ill have to do

[sharp gyro]

@sharp dragon so the P and M varient both have access to different weaponry as well, the M has 2 PDS weapons while thr P has 4, the M also has one or two guns that are a size larger then the P. So sadly it also seems like the P won't be able to become an M, only getting the railgun without upgraded armor.

So the P and M will have different roles in a sense, P more screener like ship, protecting against big punchers and fighters while just being a small hanger or cargo ship, the M screening some missiles and fighters while the bigger weapons, including the rail gun lunch some holes into other ships

[sharp dragon]

K*

And they already said you can convert your normal idris to a full m ingame later

Its not just weapons

[merry herald]

That’s the M and K you’re thinking of. The P and K are just plain bad. The P is a worthless Brick while the K is only slightly less than the M and actually has better defensive ability.

[pearl coyote]

you can upgrade p to m ingame, theres no reason to believe they mean only the rail gun and not the armor/turrets
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

[merry herald]

It’s literally an entirely different hull with an entirely different interior. Example: Cargo bay moved into Cruise Missile Bay.

[pearl coyote]

hence it costing absurd amounts of credits and taking a long time to complete

its the same level of modularity such as 600i where 1 room is changed the rest remains the same

[merry herald]

Which is why I would rather pledge it.

[pearl coyote]

and that is fine, i was just chiming in becuase someone said you wouldnt be able to upgrade the P to M in game which is false

[merry herald]

Me!

Because that would be such a huge change, it would basically be like buying a new ship. So if it is possible which it might not be, I would rather just have the better ship from the beginning.

Is there a source for this? I have inly ever heard P and M upgrades to K or parts of K. Never P and or K to M.

[pearl coyote]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

both P and M can get K weapons and P can turn into M

personally I am fine with forcing players to grind reputation in order to unlock the p to m conversion

@merry herald

[merry herald]

Ah, thx. I hate grinding which is all the more reason to buy a Javelin/Praetorian Pack.

[drifting breach]

M

If only i could pledge it

[merry herald]

M.

[merry herald]

You can. Just buy the Praetorian Pack.

Most powerful Idris by a lot.

That’s the P. The M has the Railgun, Most heavy turrets, and Cruise Missile Bay.

[drifting breach]

I don’t want half that shit

[merry herald]

The P is the worthless brick without spinal weapon.

I hate P.

[merry herald]

Idris M, Pioneer with land claim, Endeavor full set, all LTI. Among other things.

Yes.

But not now now. Only at events now.

[drifting breach]

It’s the other things with no kraken that upsets me

I need a kraken and Idris m pack

[merry herald]

Buy Kraken separately. Or maybe like a Capital ships pack?

[drifting breach]

I think concierge should be able to make their own packs

No sale but def lti

[merry herald]

It’s called buying a thing for money. And then doing so again.

[drifting breach]

How do i get idris m then

[merry herald]

Praetorian Pack.

[drifting breach]

No

I don’t want all that filler to boost the price

[merry herald]

Not that they would let you put that ship as well as a few select other limited ships into a pack.

[drifting breach]

Obviously

[merry herald]

Then buy a Javelin. It is also a very good ship.

[pearl coyote]

there was a whale that made a support ticket with a list of new pack ideas not sure where that went

theres also a whale that made a support ticket for a bengal which is still being reviewed lol

[merry herald]

I… might do this. I wonder how much it would cost.

[sharp gyro]

@merry herald No, look up the M loadout, it only has 2 PDS weapon systems, The P is better for anti fighter and missile/torpedo while the M is more tailored to defend and tank.

@pearl coyote Yes, regarding an Upgrade kit, But without that kid

kit

You can NOT place the larger gun (Not the rail gun) The size 7 in the front,

[merry herald]

The P is just an M with less weapons. It can only be equal or worse. The M is better in every way. Even the K is a PD upgrade but the loss of the Railgun is a bug deal.

[merry herald]

The Railgun is S12. You mean the gun turret on top?

[sharp gyro]

Yes, the gun turret which is why i said

"Not the rail gun"

Also stated the size 7,

So i said it twice.

[merry herald]

My bad.

[sharp gyro]

And the P is not the M, the P is smaller, less armor, The frontal turret is maxed out at a size 5. not 7

And the P has 4 PDS turrets

not 2.

the M has 2 PDS turrets, but more general use turrets and cannons for ship to ship

so for overall missile and torpedo defense, the P is superior, while the M can defend against those but does more damage to capital ships

[merry herald]

Since when does the P have more of anything than the M?

Other than Speed and Cargo.

[sharp gyro]

The P is also faster, so thats one, and the PDS systems is 4 compared to the M's 2

Idris P

[merry herald]

Since when does it have 4? Since when does the M only have 2?

[merry herald]

What site is this?

[merry herald]

Why does it say 1 Size 10??

[sharp gyro]

Idris M

https://fleetyards.net/ships/idris-m/

This site is typically updated to the most current released information,

[merry herald]

The M has a S12 Railgun doesn’t it?

[sharp gyro]

Now, CIG DID state this "e encountered a few limitations to utilizing the full Upgrade Kit on the Idris-M, such as missing hardpoints for the 4x PDS turrets, but to facilitate these fitting, we will be adding those hardpoints to the Idris-M to make this functionality work."

Which means the M COULD get an upgrade to 4 PDS turretsm

Nothing else that I've seen supports that other then that one statement

Not sure on the exact size, But 10 or 12 sounds accurate

[merry herald]

They had said that. Why does it only have 2 though? It really doesn’t have very many turrets. How does it only have 5 turrets?

[sharp gyro]

It has 6

5 size 5,

and the One size 5 the Idris P has is now a size 7

[merry herald]

Both ships are huge but seem under armed. Doesn’t a Hammerhead have more firepower excluding the railgun?

[sharp gyro]

This is the hammerheads

so, the hammerhead has size 4's

Which yes alot of guns, But more shorter range, and less dps against capital ships

With also low shields

[merry herald]

faster velocity….?!?

I… Idris Bad. Buy Javelin.

[sharp gyro]

Yeah, Javelin is pretty sweet

Though

No PDS

[merry herald]

Wait, what?? Since when??

[sharp gyro]

From what I've seen and research ive done, it doesn't have any Point defense systems

[merry herald]

I thought each of the broadside turrets is covered in PD guns?

[sharp gyro]

It does have the ballistic guns slaved to all 11x size 6 turrets, Which COULD be used as a point defense,

But it is not automated

And mainly for fighters or broadside DPS on a capital ship

and PDS is an Automated system

so sadly no PDS on the jav

but, all of this data will most likely get changed with time,

[merry herald]

So it’s under armed Idris, vs more under armed Idris, Vs Defenseless Brick.

[sharp gyro]

Not really, it has alot more guns, more DPS then the idris

Just no missile/torp defense

so, the Javelin is a destroyer, meant to deal a LOT of damage quickly

But also needs support from smaller ships to defend against torps or missiles

So like a perseus is a perfect support craft

2 size 7's and 2 PDS systems

[merry herald]

I’m gonna Polaris so hard over all these ships.

[sharp gyro]

So 2 perseus's have enough PDS to screen and protect the javelin, a P or a M would also be super helpful at protecting it from smaller fighters

Polaris now, IS strong

But if the ship has a PDS system

IE Idris, Perseus, or the small carrier, (Not Kraken) It will suffer greatly

The Idris PDS system shot down all missiles and torps thrown at it in seconds when it was enabled, and has thus been disabled and the HP lowered dramatically to allow fighters and bombers to kill it during events

[merry herald]

Bengal > Polaris > Javelin > Hammerhead > Nautilus > Idris

[sharp gyro]

Wrong XD, Bengal 1, Javelin 2, Idris 3, Polaris 4, Persus 5, and Nautalis 6 and hammerhead 7

[merry herald]

Idris PD ineffective. All PD ineffective. Polaris supremacy.

[sharp gyro]

Thats, not factual but sure lol

[merry herald]

Polaris is second only to Bengal and I only say that because we dunno about the Bengals capabilities yet. I assume a couple Polarii could take it down just like that scene from Tomorrows Enterprise.

[sharp gyro]

That was also very strong propoganda

And PDS will easily counter the polaris

The Polaris IS good, dont get me wrong

great even

[merry herald]

No… Polaris is just superior.

[sharp gyro]

But im not gonna lie and say its the best when it is compared to ships MEANT to defend against torps and missiles

Bengal is overall going to have PDS and anti capital ship weaponry

so it will justifiably be better then all of them,

But thats the bengal we are talking about

a FLAG shi[

ship

[merry herald]

You think Idris P can defend from a Polaris.

I am sorry but that is just ust wrong.

[sharp gyro]

Yes, yes it can. I love the polaris as much as you, but it very much can.

[merry herald]

It only has 2-4 PD weapons. The Polaris simply launches torpedos from range which gives them plenty of time to accelerate. Either that or dumb fires them from point blank.

[sharp gyro]

Idris P has 4.

Yes, you do have plenty of time to accelerate, but PDS ONLY targets missiles and torps

and it only takes 1 damage to neutralize.

so since its a gatling, with spread, accuracy is not a concern

the Idris P before PDS was disabled, did not let a single torp or missile hit it

with 4 active,

2 active, on smaller ships will still have a similar effectivness.

[merry herald]

Won’t 4 from a Polaris be significantly more effective?

[sharp gyro]

negative,

if it takes 1 point of damage to destroy a torp

if i spray 100 rounds into a cone near one torp

And all torps move in a similar line

all 4 blow up,

Now If i sent, 100 missiles, all different directions, with torps mixed within

THEN the torps could land

The torps are the Polaris's main damage, so Idris P/M or any ship with PDS counters the torp

[merry herald]

Key word: Cone. I also doubt all 4 or even all 2can fire on the same target.

[sharp gyro]

So, the PDS turrets Cover the entire ship with overlapping zones.

atleast for the perseus, and idris series.

Cone or not, Cone means it covers a wide area with rounds where it bursts

It will counter torps, idk what else to say bud. You cant have a torp and not have a counter, the PDS is the counter

[merry herald]

So the Idris M with 2 PD turrets would have 1 top and 1 top right? So 4 Torps going for 1 gun won’t be to difficult.

[pearl coyote]

they have already confirmed they are adding all the P hardpoints to M because of the K kit

[merry herald]

PDS won’t hard counter torps. They would never do that.

[pearl coyote]

wait thats too small

[merry herald]

Won’t Blades also exist though?

[pearl coyote]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

read the bottom

the idris m and idris p will have the same exact number of hard points

the p will come without the nose turret and rail gun by default

everything else is the same

oh and the idris has more armor

also keep in mind CIG said they were getting rid of size 5 turret having size 4 guns and they are just going to equal them so a size 5 turret will have size 5 guns so all ships with turrets will be getting a buff in that regarding including the idris

[sharp gyro]

Yes it says that, and I did state that

And dont forget the idris has a size 7 weapon component slot the P doesn't have @pearl coyote

@merry herald Again, If 4 torps, go towards the same Idris, same side and everything

the PDS will tear it down.

[pearl coyote]

the p has it

[sharp gyro]

As i stated, You must swarm a PDS system with missiles for the torp to even hit

The P has size 5's

No size 7

[pearl coyote]

the p and m have the same number of hardpoints

[sharp gyro]

same NUMBER

[pearl coyote]

the only difference is the size of the them

[sharp gyro]

Not same turrets

[pearl coyote]

but you can upgrade p to m so it doesnt matter

[sharp gyro]

Idris M has x5 Size 5's

[pearl coyote]

plus ill be using k

[sharp gyro]

The P has 6

the M also has a size 7,

which is a military hardpoint upgrade

So when you do the P/K military conversion

You'll get the size 7 hardpoint

but the P does not come with it standard and cant upgrade to a 7 until they do the military conversion ingame

[pearl coyote]

correct

i may have misunderstood you and just wanted to clarify the p and m are the same ship just different default loadouts

[sharp gyro]

Same amount of hardpoints, Just the P cant use size 7's until the conversion, and lacks the armor of the M.

But basically yeah

Again, if you consider the polaris above the idris, You are ignoring the PDS systems of the idris

the PDS is meant and built around countering torps and missiles, a Polaris is a hunter killer, a support ship. It is meant to destroy larger exposed ships, that of which a Idris is not.

@stuck sonnet

Do you know what a PDS IS?

A Point

Defense

system

The Idris had the PDS in the game, until bombers and fighters couldn;t touch it. which is why they removed it

Your right, it is meant to kill capitals

But it kills capitals

with torps

Which PDS counter

1 damage destroys a torp

or a missile

The PDS have more then enough ammo to destroy all polaris's torps

which is why a Polaris is a support vessel,

It needs to be supported on the field to destroy something bigger and punch above its weight Unless it does not have a PDS system

Yes, it is made to act on its own. By targetting defenseless ships again.

As i stated

ships with no PDS

Javelin is a good example

No PDS, only turrets

Not really, Polaris doesn't have enough small or torps to deplete a PDS

Again, the PDS was in the game on the idris

and for testing the PDS made the idris extremely hard to destroy with torps and missiles

A few got through but that was an insane amount of both being fired.

They disabled the PDS< and lowered the HP of the idris to allow fighters and bombers to destroy itr

Okay, so now you are talking about restocking midflight,

Which again, means it is not operating solo,

or if it is, its running away to restock before returning

which if the idris does the same

no one wins again.

You have to equal the playing field, ship on ship alone. Which means the idris would win against the polaris

now in a fleet battle setting

With all ships mixed in

The idris will be focusing on missiles and torps all around it, so some will sneak through THAT is where the polaris shines

in flanking and hitting areas the PDS is not already focused on

But if you look at them one on one, head to head the idris wins, Tactics of course change the effectiveness but base on base is what the rating is based off of.

Which is the best and most equal playing field to understand the strengths and weaknesses

[pearl coyote]

where did you read this

[sharp gyro]

Lol XD I mean I agree its a capital killer, But it has to be supported Like any ship does. They want naval warfare, You dont need destroyers or carriers or battleships, etc in alone.

Which I don't think anyone really understands that.

[pearl coyote]

the polaris straight up isnt made for combat

[sharp gyro]

I disagree with that, mainly due to the torps lol

and that is has capital shields

6 size 4's and a size 5 with 28 size 10 torps XD

and 32 size 2 missiles

Though the shields is up for debate, I've seen dev posts saying 2 capital, and then others saying 2 Large

so we shall see

[pearl coyote]

the ship pages are written by marketing to make the ships sell better by making them sound much stronger than they actually are

and on the polaris's description of what it can do it literally says light combat

[sharp gyro]

Yes light combat. Remember though, destroyers Irl are ment for light combat

it is a support combat ship

[pearl coyote]

irl destroyers are not made for light combat

[sharp gyro]

It is a destroyer/Hunter killer,

Irl destroyers are very much light combat, they are not meant for sustained and need support.

again, The larger ships are built to play like naval ships

[pearl coyote]

also i wouldnt compare irl to sc since sc uses irl words but with different meaning

[sharp gyro]

Effective and niche

But need support

Yes which is why i dont use SC descriptions

i use well, U.S descriptions since SC dont make sense.

[pearl coyote]

which is worse

[sharp gyro]

Not at all, if we followed naval doctrine and classification the polaris fits a destroyer

Fast, light, Lots of firepower.

[pearl coyote]

polaris is only 2 of those

[sharp gyro]

Easily built to punch above its weight

Size 10 torps

[pearl coyote]

it doesnt have lots of fire power

[sharp gyro]

Size 10 torps is alot of firepower bud

There is a reason only two ships rn have size 10 and above.,

[pearl coyote]

if you think you can hit a gladius with a size 10 torp your on crack cocaine

[sharp gyro]

Javelin and polaris

BRUH who said using

a Torp

On a gladius

You are the one on drugs LOL

[pearl coyote]

because thats what the polaris will most likely end up fighting

[sharp gyro]

Not at all again the polaris is meant to fight larger ships

[pearl coyote]

that arnt in the game

[sharp gyro]

"Punch above its weight"

And even then, the larger ships are getting a rework

which lessens the effects of fighters on larger ships

with armor and such,

[pearl coyote]

not larger ships

capital ships

[sharp gyro]

No all larger ships, Hammerhead included.

and the Polaris is classified as a capital, following SC terms

Dont forget that

[pearl coyote]

thats misleading

[sharp gyro]

You said capital ships

[pearl coyote]

the polaris is a capital ship

[sharp gyro]

SC classified it as a capital ship

[pearl coyote]

but it wont be getting the same treatment as the larger capital ships

[sharp gyro]

It was stated to apply to all ships, that are larger, as a fighter swarm shouldn't tear a hammerhead to shreds easily

[pearl coyote]

the polaris will have the weakest capital grade armor

[sharp gyro]

Weakest, still stronger then other ships of its size

[pearl coyote]

what other ships of its size

[sharp gyro]

again, a Hunter killer, you compared it against a gladius when me and the other guy said larger ships, so at this point you are pulling at straws.

[pearl coyote]

isnt the closest to its size the idris

the polaris isnt a hunter killer

[sharp gyro]

It very much fits the definition of one

But we can disagree as much as you want.

[pearl coyote]

this is what the polaris is irl

its quite simply a general use corvette class ship that functions in multiple roles

it is not the death star hunting capital ships

[sharp gyro]

You mean this

[pearl coyote]

every capital ship in the game will pick up the polaris before the polaris sees it

[sharp gyro]

Again, as Ive said,.

1 on 1

[pearl coyote]

and more than likely kill it

[sharp gyro]

The polaris will not succeed

The Polaris

Is a support, capital destroyer/Huunter killer

[pearl coyote]

hunter killers operate alone

[sharp gyro]

Yes, they CAN operate alone

if a polaris attacks a ship

with NO Pds

[pearl coyote]

no they mainly operate alone

[sharp gyro]

It will deal enough damage it could win

No they do not lol. Hunter killers simply state what it can be tasked to do,

[pearl coyote]

the only time a hunter killer isnt operating alone is when its defending an aircraft carrier

[sharp gyro]

So in a fleet

as I stated

A fleet, operates as a fleet,

[pearl coyote]

and what does it do when it picks up a threat

does it stay with the fleet

or go off alone

[sharp gyro]

It depends ON the threat

exposed, no PDS

Yes

PDS no

[pearl coyote]

in real life

[sharp gyro]

In real life its the same thing

a Hunter killer

does not chase

what counters it

If a sub, is acting as a hunter killer, is it going to chase something with sonar? built to find and destroy subs?

No

It would not.

[pearl coyote]

yes

thats exactly what they do

they first hunt and then kill

[sharp gyro]

LOL you are dumb, subs do not target what is built to counter the sub

[pearl coyote]

hence "hunter killer"

[sharp gyro]

The sub kills everything else

to enable to fleet

a HUNTER KILLER
is an enabler

It destroys what does not have PDS, so the rest of the fleet can handle the PDS

[pearl coyote]

"But it actually means something that hunts and kills (eg a submarine with a sensor package specifically designed to locate enemy ships, with weaponry designed to destroy said ships once located)."

[sharp gyro]

LOl Again, that definition applies

To the polaris

[pearl coyote]

yes but the polaris is missing the detection part

[sharp gyro]

I said does a sub, Hunt a ship thta has weapons BUILT to counter the sub

and you said Yes

which is false

[pearl coyote]

every single ship in service has sonar

[sharp gyro]

The polaris does not miss the detection part. it has a capital class sensor

[pearl coyote]

now every single sub has sonar counter

so what i said stands

[sharp gyro]

Counter sonar,

So if The enemy has a gun

and You have shields

you countered the gun

The issue is

the PDS hard counters torps

the polaris

Can NOT change that

hense, A SUB would not attack a SHIP that can detect it no matter what

Especially if it is BUILT to kill subs

you proved my point

[pearl coyote]

a hunter killer sub first detects the ship and then kills it

[sharp gyro]

while trying to say i was wrongf

silly goose

Which a Polaris can do

with a capital class sensor

[pearl coyote]

thank you for proving my point by showing the polaris can not only NOT detect ships first but ALSO cannot KILL ships with PDS

[sharp gyro]

And the size 10 torps

[pearl coyote]

making it neither a hunter or a killer

[sharp gyro]

So

Because the PDS

Defeats torps

Its not a hunter killer

Guess the sub aint a hunter killer to

thanks for disproving yourself

[pearl coyote]

can a sub sink a ship yes or no

[sharp gyro]

You arent very sharp bud. Just because a ship has a counter,

does not mean it is not a hunter killer

[pearl coyote]

can a sub sink a ship yes or no

[sharp gyro]

A sub can, just as a polaris can

A polaris can sink a ship to bud

[pearl coyote]

im sorry what was it that you said about no torp getting through pds?

[sharp gyro]

You do understand that does not make it a non hunter killer

Does a kraken have PDS?

Nope

Big ship

Only ships to have PDS rn as capital or large combat ships

Idris, and Perseus

[pearl coyote]

i dont actually know about the kraken

[sharp gyro]

Only two with PDS

Those two

[pearl coyote]

im assuming as more capitals get out of concept

[sharp gyro]

that are combat

[pearl coyote]

they will get PDS

[sharp gyro]

THEN if that WAS the case,

I'd be wrong

If not,

Then im right

and so far the data,

all released

supports me

so again it is a hunter killer.

took to long to go full circle, for you to use a hypothetical, that isn't supported,

[pearl coyote]

so the closest ships to be released counter your argument of it being a hunter killer

which are idris and percy

[sharp gyro]

Lol, So two ships with PDS, only two and the rest no

[pearl coyote]

the rest are figments of our imagination

[sharp gyro]

You truly are not very sharp. a Hunter killer is not a insta win button bud

Hunter killers are strategic tools

You dont use them to kill everything as I said earlier

You just dont know enough to truly argue back except, one ship counters it, there for it is not a hunter killer.

which if that is the case, No sub, No ship in existance, is a hunter killer.

[pearl coyote]

no 2 ships counter it

which are the ones that actually matter since they are getting worked on

[sharp gyro]

2 ships, out of 10+

Only two effective combat ships with PDS

[pearl coyote]

the 10+ that literally could end up with death beams on them

[sharp gyro]

Again, Hypotheticals

[pearl coyote]

cause not even CIG knows what they are doing with them

your 10+ ARE hypotheticals

we dont know if they DO or DONT have PDS

[sharp gyro]

Im done arguing with a brick wall. You defeat your own arguments and cry wolf the moment you do.

We do based off the info provided

No PDS was mentioned for any of them

[pearl coyote]

the marketing information to get people to buy it?

[sharp gyro]

so goodluck bud, your ignorance truly is astonishing

[pearl coyote]

you are looking at a unicorn that cig marketing gave you to buy the ship and using that fake information that is only what they thought it MAY have at the time as data for your argument

a clear example would be the reclaimer claw

CIG marketing told you that it had a claw you could use to grab shit in not only videos but in descriptions and images

[sharp gyro]

If I was looking at it like a unicorn, I'd say it could beat the idris, as shown in the marketing

But i did not say that

[pearl coyote]

you cant say polaris good no ships have PDS when nobody has reviewed any of those ships since marketing

[sharp gyro]

You are grasping at straws and using arguments of me following marketting when ive went against their marketing.

You truly are ignorant bud.

[pearl coyote]

did you not just say only 2 ships have pds

[sharp gyro]

Based off information released WAY Before the polaris yes.

[pearl coyote]

ok pause

[sharp gyro]

Which was NOT released to appeal to polaris marketting. It was released to appeal to THOSE thips

[pearl coyote]

all that information

marketting

[sharp gyro]

Ships*

So you are the one falling for their marketting then

Maybe they wont have PDS, its meant to make you wanna buy the idris and Perseus

Thats your logic

[pearl coyote]

im pretty much only looking at idris

[sharp gyro]

and its flawed.

[pearl coyote]

but it does

[sharp gyro]

But it doesnt, not released yet, still in concept.

[pearl coyote]

theres video footage of it and walk throughs

[sharp gyro]

Your logic rn,

[pearl coyote]

like ingame

[sharp gyro]

Video footage of a polaris blowing up an idris

Ingame.

[pearl coyote]

which im sure the polaris will be able to do

if the torps hit

[sharp gyro]

jesus man, you are just trolling at this point LOL you got me

Shoulda known ye were trollin

[merry herald]

Absolutely not. That would invalidate torps as an anti capital weapon which is like, their one job.

[merry herald]

This is assuming they hit.

[sharp gyro]

Again, it is meant to be used against ships without PDS or ships that are saturated with missiles

Cut and dry thats just how it is

[merry herald]

It is meant to be used against Capital ships. Capital ships have PDS. Besides, if PDS can hard counter torps, why do some ships have multiple PDS per side?

[sharp gyro]

to cover all angles

[tired owl]

s10 is idris, s12 is bengal main turret

[sharp gyro]

@stuck sonnet doesn't matter when I shoot 100 rounds

[drifting breach]

It’s gonna be hilarious watching all these Polaris and Perseus cultists get wrecked by a random Idris because they keep trying to prove that they can 1v1 larger ships without a fleet

[sharp gyro]

@stuck sonnet you do understand, ammo is being reworked for larger ships,

That is not gonna be the case at all.

@drifting breach I am for the polaris but I understand it is meant to do a LOT of damage supported in a fleet or alone attacking ships with no point defense

But nobody seems to understand that

[drifting breach]

The argument is sound i think most people argue with feelings and partly their wallet because they fell for a sales pitch from some YouTuber or something and can’t admit that

[sharp gyro]

Look I've spent 12 grand on the game thus far and plan on getting more lol, but to know what you have you need to understand it's purpose. Just upsetting to see everyone saying it's absolutely dog shit or that it's OP, when it's neither. Was like a two our argument yesterday xD

[gritty osprey]

Just buy both, then you don’t have to argue about which is better.

[sharp gyro]

Both of what?

[gritty osprey]

Idris and Polaris

Or P M and K

All the ships

[sharp gyro]

Oh, I mean, I have the P and K, just need the M then I'll have most combat capital ships excluding the kraken

And I'm not arguing necessarily which is better, but both ships are meant for vastly different roles.

So I have a all 3 that can perform differently for what I need them, and for the organizations.

Then I could technically say supply the K, P, and M alongside a javelin.

I supply*

[gritty osprey]

I’m fine with just the P with the K pack. M will be my post launch credit grind I guess.

[sharp gyro]

Nothing wrong with that man, chase your goals.

My goals are more or less helping to create a large org or creating a powerhouse for new and experirnced players lol.

Experienced

So that's why I'm getting th3 ships beforehand

[pearl coyote]

same, i would get bored not having a target to work for

[sharp gyro]

Definitely a real feeling.

[merry herald]

NO!

[spring stirrup]

keep your eyes pealed the frigate is coming

[sharp dragon]

Im hyped already

[merry herald]

This is your daily reminder that the Polaris is smaller, faster, cheaper, and can kill any Idris, anywhere, on any day of the week.

[reef flame]

msr kills polaris

[sharp dragon]

Your on a lot of delulu again xd but nothing new that your not the smartest

[pearl coyote]

ive decided to not argue with him and instead kill him in his polaris with my idris every time i see him

[drifting breach]

Aurora beats Idris and is way cheaper

[pearl coyote]

😂

[sharp dragon]

[merry herald]

[merry herald]

[merry herald]

Not if I kill you first.

[merry herald]

What do you think I’m launching at the Idris?

[pearl coyote]

the idris can carry more

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/290198044585230346/1197820037717827584/347_Inside_Star_Ci_1197816523800969216-Trim-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[drifting breach]

i need to change my fleet to idris with 50 furys

[sharp dragon]

#1116446283985588281

rules

dont just come in and shit talk

we didnt do that in your stinky hole aswell. we just said facts and showed examples

you just talk shit

[merry herald]

Yes you did.

[sharp dragon]

yeah we did say facts

your right

[merry herald]

Lies.

[sharp gyro]

@merry herald Rules say dont go to Other channels to specifically talk trash, We went to polaris and say its a great ship but dont overhype it and state its the best above all. We dont even say the idris is best above all as well. its called bein realistic.

[merry herald]

I'm not trash talking. I'm just saying it's a huge ship that has a one hit wonder weapon, a couple of fighters, and not very many turrets for it's size and that is bad.

[sharp gyro]

"Bristerian, Origin Simp (🐋) — Today at 3:23 PM
Idris bad."

Your first statement

I end my case.

[merry herald]

And I have proof!

[sharp gyro]

You came here specifically to talk crap, Its as simple as that bud. You dont have anything else but to start crap.

[merry herald]

I cam here to divert the Idris conversation away from the Polaris channel. Keep Idris in Idris chat. Although I do admit that it was a bad conversation starter.

[sharp gyro]

Not at all bud. You came here for exactly what you first said. Me and jav are bein realistic. You just cant handle that. We both love the jav and the idris. We both explained their specific uses and strengths/weaknesses. You just wont accept the fact an idris is a counter to a polaris.

[merry herald]

The Polaris is meant to kill capital ships. The Idris is a capital ship. You have it backwards.

[sharp dragon]

Its ment to kill vandul not uee

[merry herald]

Everything large.

[sharp gyro]

Polaris is built to kill capital ships yes, With its torps. But the idris has countermeasures specifically to support other ships in defending against missiles and torps

@stuck sonnet No because we are fans of the polaris as well. We praise the polaris as well we just wont blatantly lie about it.

dont be salty

[merry herald]

Countermeasures which will not be 100% effective as you have suggested.

[sharp gyro]

Again, wont be 100% yes, But they will be extremely effective.

If an idris shoots down all your torps because you didn't missile spam, You are countered.

Torps Require a missile swarm to go through.

[merry herald]

Not very effective is modern naval warfare is anything to go by.

[sharp gyro]

You dont understand a single thing about naval warfare, you gave out a bunch of examples yesterday and all of them required one thing. speed and numbers. Neither of which the polaris has.

[merry herald]

It has speed and it doesn't necessarily require numbers.

[sharp gyro]

It does not have the speed, and not the numbers. Normal torps from an eclipse are counterable. And thats smaller. Speed is lacking from torps for a reason.

[merry herald]

It is a very fast ship. It has 4 tubes and a missile turret for a reason.

[sharp gyro]

Very fast in a straight line. Hit and run ship, as I stated.

You are delulu, always will be.

[merry herald]

The Idris isn't fast in any direction.

[sharp gyro]

You wanna be specific the idris Is the fastest capital ship going straight. Outpacing it's competitors. But I have to give the polaris something since you can't handle the idris winning.

[merry herald]

Not even close. It is definitely the Polaris.

And when master modes are in, My torpedos will be able to catch up rather easily.

What does?

[pearl coyote]

all speed numbers are fake until its in mastermodes

i dont think it will be the fastest but i dont see it going 45

oh i didnt know it had been changed

maybe it will go that slow

i believe they fully intended for it to go 1400 m/s when they wanted capital ships to be the fastest

but the plan has changed very much from what they believed initially

[pearl coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/elm-gif-26102787

[south canopy]

Hey so uhhhh, anyone else searching for a repeat of the thing that happened the other day with 4 full interior idris spawning on hurston?

[merry herald]

I heard about it but wasn’t there. Try bedlogging planet side and relogging?

[south canopy]

Me and some buddies found EIGHT idris on one of the crash sites on a moon at hurston, all of them non-interior versions but with the new blue paintjobs and no glitched hangar door out the side, this was on march first, the reddit post found 4 of the same model but WITH interiors just two days ago at another crash site near zephyr

I believe it has something to do with these npc "Patrols" that are spawning around, ive found a few on hurston, its worth checking it more i think

[merry herald]

How? Why? Do they only spawn around Hurston? What decides on interior vs no interior?

[south canopy]

As far as specifics i have none, all i know is we found 8 of them at a crash site at amoon of hurston, magda, and the reddit post found them at a crash site on hurston itself

[pearl coyote]

it does tho

[forest wagon]

Is this in-game?

[pearl coyote]

it was recreated in game during the idris event

that screenshot isnt

[forest wagon]

Everyone I've talked to said it didn't fit

[pearl coyote]

who did you talk to

[forest wagon]

4/5 people, don't know any of their names

[pearl coyote]

well if they did the event and tried then they would know it did fit

the wing tips fold when landing gear is out in game so it doesnt hit anything

[forest wagon]

They did the event, they tried, it didn't fit.

[forest wagon]

They said height was the issue

[drifting breach]

Bold of you to assume they can read

[forest wagon]

I deleted my messages - People do it all the time in other clubs, thought it wasn't a rule

[dreamy lynx]

This is general for all large multi crew ships, Do you think we will get NPC crew. As it wouldn't be impossible but would he tricky to set up a fully crewed idris and aswel as in the future a base on a land claim

[merry herald]

Yes.

[tame oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-idris-ship-space-spaceship-gif-23928674

[tame oriole]

Wouldn’t the wings be folded in

[umbral bolt]

I believe many people dream about flying large ships with minimal crews, supplemented by NPCs. However, I don't think it will work like that. If it were that simple, everyone would do it and there would be no challenge. Another aspect is the strain on servers from the AI; even if NPCs are eventually introduced, it will be limited by CIG. I wouldn't trust that the available number of NPCs will be sufficient to operate a ship like the Idris. It's an unpopular opinion, but it just won't happen that someone could replace players with a larger number of crew on capital ships.

Of course, this is just my subjective opinion, but I think many people dream too far beyond reality.

[vestal solstice]

I see this response repeated constantly about AI crew being unfeasible but what exactly would capital ship PvE missions entail?

[drifting breach]

what it really will boil down to is how good can server meshing truly get

[pearl coyote]

In the current state I agree about NPC limitations however if they actually succeed with server meshing and replication later than there wouldn’t be any limitations in regards to NPC’s since each capital ship would be treated as it’s own server

They have stated they are against full NPC crews since they want player interaction but you will be able to skeleton crew your ships with NPC’s, we have yet to know how many are considered a skeleton crew and how effective those will be

I don’t believe the hurdle for capital ships will be the crew requirement and instead it will be the operating costs associated with maintaining a capital ship and the cost of repairing damage/reclaiming

[sharp gyro]

^

[river shuttle]

is the idris $1500? or $1000?

looking to buy one.

[pearl coyote]

$1500 or $1300 warbond

[merry herald]

K is $250 more.

[forest wagon]

Hey there idris enthusiasts, so I've got a question.

So the Idris P compared to the Idris M, has more cargo, faster speed, but loses a railgun.

However, according to the website, all of the turrets on the P seem smaller. Instead of having S5's on the turrets, they're S4s.

And the main turret on the front of the P only seems to have S5's on it instead of the S7's.

Are the turret weapons significantly smaller on the P or am I not reading the information correctly?

Also, does the Idris P loose it's missile room? If so, how big are the missile in the M, and is it even worth the cargo space?

[sharp gyro]

The weapons are significantly smaller.

The reason being is the hull, the hull size for the M is larger than the P, you can upgrade and militarize the P in-game when it's added. But it'll cost alot.

It'll come with increased armor and weapon sizes.

As well as the railgin

[forest wagon]

Thanks, I was originally thinking about upgrading a Polaris to one, but because the weapons are significantly smaller, then I might just wait for it to be in-game.

However, just for 100 bucks more, the Kraken is looking real nice 👀

[sharp gyro]

The kraken is pretty sweet

Great support ship in combat for fighters and bombers

Versatile since you can have different ships to make your ship oriented towards different gameplay, all bombers for anti ship or ground support. All fighters for screening, or a mix, etc

[pearl coyote]

the hull size is the exact same

we know this because the idris P has the mount for rail gun so if you buy the rail gun you can mount it on your idris p

and they have said we will be able to buy the rail gun in game

i believe they said we needed UEE reputation to buy it

also im fairly certain the idris p will just be 1 size down compared to the idris m since thats how they have always done military conversions for civilians

[sharp gyro]

I thought it was stated the Hullsize is a few meters different due to armor plating,

atleast everywhere I've looked its stated the M is like 5 meters or so longer

And they stated you could do a conversion from P to M, they never said the P couldn't have a railgun without the conversion

[merry herald]

All correct. They are smaller. And yes it does.

[merry herald]

Yes. 100 SCU or a number of S10 cruise missiles. I say not worth it.

[forest wagon]

Gotcha - Idris-M isn't purchaseable?

[merry herald]

No. Polaris is as good an Idris M or better.

[merry herald]

Correct. Idris P and a K kit or Polaris. I went with Polaris.

P is a glorified armed cargo freighter with not much cargo while K is good at killing fighters. Polaris is a capital ship assassin.

[forest wagon]

What I might do is - Buy Polaris, have fun with it for a year till its in-game, buy an Idris-P, and then when Im tired of it, buy a Kraken

But maybe the Polaris will capture my heart

And I'll never want to upgrade again

[merry herald]

Get a K for the P.

[forest wagon]

I mean its almost 1000 SCU.

[river shuttle]

ima sell everything i have in my hanger for a idris p

[merry herald]

But it requires 20 crew which is about 50 SCU of profits each.

Unlike an M2 which has 600 or so SCU granting 300 SCU of profits per person.

[forest wagon]

Ah.. I see your point.

[river shuttle]

wish me luck guys o7

[forest wagon]

I don't need to make a decsion now anyways, wont be atleast another year before I do anything.

[merry herald]

It should be a combat ship that can also hold cargo. But the Idris can already hold cargo so the added cargo room in exchange for missiles just sucks.

[river shuttle]

would being conciage give me a better chance at buying a idris?

[forest wagon]

I see your point. And does the K upgrade the turret selection?

"Compared to the Idris-P, Idris-K has an additional size 10 laser beam, four point defense turrets that replaced the remote turrets, and a missile turret that replaced a manned turret."

Im interested in the PDS turrets, not so much the missile turret though.

[merry herald]

I’m unsure. It gives more turrets and gives it a lot of PDS and a laser and a missile turret.

[forest wagon]

Why did they have to make the Idris M substantially better than all of the other varients 😭

[merry herald]

It has more PD turrets then an M as well.

[merry herald]

Because it’s M. M only has 2 PD turrets though so even M owners want a K.

[forest wagon]

But will the extra PD be worth the substantial turret downgrade?

I guess my question is. How much easier can a Polaris blow up a K compared to an M?

[merry herald]

No. Definitely not.

[forest wagon]

Right.. so in the end, the M is the best.

And you can't buy it.

[merry herald]

Harder. The Pd turrets hurt its torpedos. Thing is, the K doesn’t have many weapons which could attack a Polaris either though.

[merry herald]

You can in the $15K pack. Correct.

Polaris is definitely competitive though.

Price is cheaper, function is similar.

[forest wagon]

I got that, but I hope I never spend 15k on the game

[merry herald]

Same. I’m at 5.5K though. X_X.

[forest wagon]

Damn. I don't want to go much further than conceirge.

[merry herald]

Me, space marshal because I wanted a gold spacesuit for AC.

[pearl coyote]

proof

the length difference is the rail gun not hull difference

the p doesnt come with rail gun stock

so its technically shorter

[pearl coyote]

but the p with the rail gun is same length as m

[sharp gyro]

If thats what they were calculating into it then that explains it.

But none the less the M has more armor and weaponry than the P, so there is some sort of militarization package that improves armor and weaponry

[pearl coyote]

yes the m has more armor and larger sized guns im only arguing the hull of the ship is exactly the same

[drifting breach]

I thought with the other ones not having torpedos it’s different

I mean well not really know until they’re all flyable but it’s my understanding that the m has the torpedo room and on the others it may be storage

[merry herald]

That is correct. Truely a shame.

[merry herald]

Has the Idris K appeared in game yet?
If so, I was wondering about the standard laser turret and PD turret locations? Same as on the P as I don't think I have seen much of how they differ from the M. I know they do but hadn't found much on it so which turrets are kept and which turrets differ?

[pearl coyote]

the k doesnt exist

there is no idris K

the k kit just comes with pdts/missile turrets and a energy beam gun that you can put wherever you want on your idris p or m

[merry herald]

So does it come with a Ps 7 S5 laser turrets or an Ms 6S7 turrets?

[pearl coyote]

it doesnt come with any laser turrets

the k is not a ship

just guns to change the loadout of the p and m which ARE ships

[merry herald]

So if I upgrade the P with a kit, it jeeps the Ps turrets?

[sharp gyro]

I don't think so, it does one of two things. Adds the ship parts to your storage so you can replace them, or flat out replaces (more like adds weapons since it doesn't change any of the already present weapons) to the idris P.

Making it an idris K.

It adds the PDS weapons, the missile turret and idrirs size 10 or 12 laser beam to your central hull slot.

[sharp gyro]

So it's basically nothing less of an upgrade.

if I'm correct.

Definitely helpful if you don't have an M, from spending 15 grand.

[merry herald]

I don’t have an M but the turrets are still smaller then an M and I still lack turret numbers and turret size compared to an M don’t I?

[pearl coyote]

The p and M have the exact same hard points

Cause the k kit wouldn’t work if they didn’t

[merry herald]

The M has larger hard points by a large margin.

[crystal ravine]

I keep hearing the claim that the p has less armor than the m.
However I can't find anything official to back that up.
Would anyone here have proof for that claim?

[merry herald]

No proof but I remember it has lighter armor so it can maintain a higher speed.

[crystal ravine]

I mean tbh I think people pull that out of thin air since I cannot find cig saying that.
Only thing that has been said is that it doesn't have the torpedo room and spinal gun so it's faster and has more cargo

[merry herald]

Or main turret up top. Does it not have the room or does it literally not come with torpedos in which case they could surely be found in the verse?

[sharp gyro]

The hard points can be upgraded for larger turrets/weapons.

It was stated a P could be made into an M ingame.

Through a militarization process

[merry herald]

Upgraded through the mobiglass or upgraded at a shipyard?

[sharp gyro]

Yes and no, I've seen it listed that the P has less armor while the M has more armor due to it being militarized. I believe I even saw this on the website itself.

[merry herald]

Upgraded as in larger weapons or as in increasing the turret sizes? Must we buy larger turrets or does it auto upgrade with the weapons?

[sharp gyro]

That I do not know, but they said it is a militarization process

[merry herald]

I assume this only adds back the missile room and armor right?

[merry herald]

Cost assumption? 100k/1m/10m/100m?

[sharp gyro]

Most likely either building rep with Uee and buying either the specific turrets, or the rep allows you to hand it over for a fee to be militarized.

Most likely a fuck ton

I'm expecting when the game is done for everything to go atleast 10x more expensive then they are rn. Atleast the big ships.

[merry herald]

How does one buy a new turret type?

[merry herald]

😭

[merry herald]

And also pay 10X as much, right?

[sharp gyro]

Ahhh sorry so from my understanding is on release. The ships being bought with cash go away. If you already purchased one you keep it, but all the real money transactions for 90% of the ships, excluding beginner ships. Go away

So basically in-game prices go up a fuck ton.

[merry herald]

I am aware. Somehow, I doubt that.

[sharp gyro]

And most likely the grey market.

I do have worries they wont.

But if they know what's best for the game. It probably is best to remove that aspect.

Due to what they want this game to become. Funding at the beginning was required. But for the end process removing real world money from purchases in-game as much as possible would be needed for their endgoal.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if they supplement that by adding "DLC" ships, ones where you fork up the cash like here to get them in game without earning them.

But that's to far to be accurate.

[merry herald]

I still don't get how they will make money.

[crystal ravine]

yea thats on the fan made wiki.
store page descibes it like this

[merry herald]

So the gun will slow the ship down and not the armor?

[crystal ravine]

thats what im reading. no change with armor is ever mentioned

[merry herald]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-gif-23437635

Then why did I buy the K kit?

[crystal ravine]

i mean i got it for the s10 laser gun

[merry herald]

I wanted an M but bought a K instead because I am not spending 15K.

[crystal ravine]

from this years ILW page btw

[merry herald]

Pain. So do the PDCs replace the remote turrets or are they extras that are added on?

[pearl coyote]

The size is different but they all share identical hard point positions

[pearl coyote]

Replace

[merry herald]

Is there a size difference? What is different about them?

[pearl coyote]

imagine a f7

the f7a has bigger turret

f7c has smaller turret

both have a turret in the same spot

idris M = F7A
Idris P = F7C

the idris K kit just gives you different turrets to swap out either partially or fully any of the turrets on either the M or P

So you can choose to only use 1 of the PDT's from the K kit and have the rest be a the default idris p/m or go all in and swap all turrets for the ones in the pack

[merry herald]

But what does a PD turret do that is special that a remote turret cannot? Is it just sizing? Wouldn’t a PD turret be very small?

If it is smaller, why would I want something smaller?

[pearl coyote]

PD turret comes with built in Blade specifically to target incoming missiles/torps

its not meant to be player controlled

but im assuming it can be

[merry herald]

Ah, interesting.

So when the Idris releases, Blades will already be out?

[pearl coyote]

well....

they have never specified the idris K release......

[merry herald]

*P. 🙄

Same as the M, right??

[pearl coyote]

we know when the P is being released

not the M/K

[merry herald]

When?

SQ42 right?

[pearl coyote]

P is released with SQ42

so prolly next year

[merry herald]

Not M or K? But how, why??

[merry herald]

October…?

[pearl coyote]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry herald]

[pearl coyote]

they havent said the M/K wont come with SQ42

but as far as i recall they havent said they would either

im assuming the M and P will both release with SQ42 and if blades are not ready then K wont be

[merry herald]

Is the Jav complete?

[pearl coyote]

nope

they said it would be released post SQ42

so no clue

[merry herald]

Any images of its interior layout so far?

[pearl coyote]

theres some

part of it is usually open for tour as part of ILW

[merry herald]

Like, an interior cutout?

Like this but for Jav?

[pearl coyote]

not as detailed cause most of its not done

[merry herald]

Most?

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-gif-23437635

[merry herald]

Is it atleast planned, even if not modeled?

[pearl coyote]

parts of it need to be done for SQ42

assuming not all of it or it would be completely done

[merry herald]

😭

[sharp gyro]

I mean they have a partial jav interior, so it is being worked on, just slowly

[vestal solstice]

Has there been any mention of the MPUV bay allowing for more than one MPUV?

[pearl coyote]

if it fits it fits

https://youtu.be/DtUvVnLvXmc?si=u5lJ6JZSSmRkcRCj&t=630

personally i dont see it fitting

more than 1

cause it needs to hook to the roof to land

[vestal solstice]

I have delusions of using an Idris for salvaging support missions, the MPUVs would be great to grab spare cargo.

Ideally, avoiding parking them on the flight deck

[pearl coyote]

you mean like mpuv tractors?

idris could do that but a ironclad would probably be better cause the roof opens up and it comes with tractor beams so you dont need mpuv's

[vestal solstice]

I would prefer to use the Ironclad for rear guard / clean up and an Idris for kicking the party off for High Value cargo.
Theory crafting warning

[merry herald]

Definitely. It fits like, 2? But does the door close over the bay or is it permanently open?

[pearl coyote]

it has room but only 1 landing clamp on the roof

the doors to the snub hangar is the floor

so you dont want to have a snub landed in tha room that isnt docked or it will either explode or fall out

[merry herald]

Does the floor close? Is it capable of that?

[pearl coyote]

yes

its closed by default and opens when mpuv leaves

if it didnt close you would not be able to board the mpuv

the panel to open and close is on the left

[stable yarrow]

Is there any speculation on whether an ironclad can fit in idris or is that a hell no?

[merry herald]

Lol no. But an Idris can probably fire an Ironclad.

[crystal ravine]

Seeing that the ironclad is about as big as a liberator.
No way

However it's good target practice for the main gun lol

[merry herald]

Isn’t it much larger??

[crystal ravine]

about the same

lengh and width theyre about the same

unless fleetviewer is wrong with their liberator model

[merry herald]

I thought Ironclad was much bigger but I might have been mistaken.

[pearl coyote]

they are the exact same length however both are in concept so that can change

[crystal ravine]

True

But at least it's easy to say no way to the fatterpillar fitting in the Idris no matter what lmao

[merry herald]

Probably agreed but why is the M always depicted with an extra rear turret and the K is not?

[frank aspen]

the pictures are probably not up to date. they made so many changes over the years

especially when they announced the k-kit

[merry herald]

So which is wrong? And which came out earlier?

[frank aspen]

i have no idea

i just know you cant rely on their content/statements

[pearl coyote]

originally they did have different number of turrets but K kit made forced them to make them equal

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

[merry herald]

Ah. Interesting.

[sturdy gazelle]

Could a fully crewed Idris-m take a fully crewed javelin head on?

🤔

[pearl coyote]

no

[merry herald]

I don't know... But I am melting my Idris P because I already have a Javelin.

[frank aspen]

p version

understandable. even with a k kit it would be a pain in the ass to convert it fully into the m version

[merry herald]

I bought a K but realized it was just a lot of money for something that didn’t even come with all its weapons. Meh, Maybe I’ll buy a Kraken instead.

[drifting breach]

Get the k version and grind for the M parts you want in game

[frank aspen]

how about no

[drifting breach]

Ew

Old people

[frank aspen]

not that old

[drifting breach]

Yes you are

[frank aspen]

i was just stupid enough to buy a jpg file instead of a used car

[drifting breach]

With depreciation i think the Idris is worth more than that used car would be if you sold it

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298