off-topic-not-sc

[waxen aspen]

No that's not enough

Perfect

[jaunty lark]

It is the firepower

You see a ship in the shape of a serrated arrowhead yet try to arm it with guns

A knife never runs out of ammo

[cinder oasis]

Anyone got recommendations for some chill game to play? VR or plain

[gray spindle]

pokemon

[waxen aspen]

RuneScape

[fierce wadi]

Minecraft vr

[jaunty lark]

@cinder oasis Darkwood, this little war of mine

Good time wasters that immerse you

[unreal dune]

Those are the opposite of "Chill game"

[jaunty lark]

I see them as chill

Just start it up and pick up where you left off

I mean when you’re in yeah you’re dying but

Maybe darkwood isn’t as chill

War of mine is slow

If you’ve never played oblivion or Morrowind I recommend that

10/10 a mandatory life experience

Fuck I don’t know many chill games besides that

[unreal dune]

VR: Hot Dogs Horseshoes and Handgrenades is chill gun shooting. Load up and blast some hot dogs into mustard

[jaunty lark]

Oh shit there’s that one fighting VR too

Like that one but bloody as shit

[unreal dune]

Gorn?

[jaunty lark]

With swords and all

Nah

The cooler one

[unreal dune]

Sword and Sorcery

[jaunty lark]

Blade and something or magic and something

It might be that

Blade and sorcery

The vr game

[unkempt sluice]

Red dead redemption 2. Go hunting or fishing

[thick mirage]

Hey all, I hope this does not break the rules as I do not believe it to be advertising. If I need to move this to another channel, or remove it all together, please let me know.

I write code in my free time and I am looking to add to my portfolio, to land a professional development job. I am planning on doing a 100 Days of Code project where I design something useful and will be used by others. Currently, the idea is to be an alternative to an established software, allowing users to control in game vehicles with mobile devices, focused on Star Citizen until it is polished and has an active user base (please do not say the established software name, to ensure Reddit rules are followed). I have a key difference planned for this project to attract users.

This project will be free and open source for the community, with the goal to be a portfolio item I maintain and NOT a business nor passive income. I am hopeful some of you from the community will help contribute, starting in the form of UI/UX and logo designs. If you would like to assist, please reach out!

[unkempt sluice]

So something like a certain app with the initials GG, but free?

[lofty fossil]

A Township Tale

[thick mirage]

Correct, but I don't want to even say the initials. I think the subreddit has a filter on that. Free as in no paywall for anything. The goal is for my portfolio and not income.

[jaunty lark]

Why not make a Reddit post ab your software yeg

[unkempt sluice]

Also, games to chill to, Space Engineers

[jaunty lark]

And link it here

If you speak to a Reddit mod I’m sure they wouldn’t be against it if you’re doing it free and it’s for the game but that’s just me

But I’d talk to them ab it

It’s a very cool idea

I’d love to be able to be on the road driving to a plant and when I get there I could control the wheel for my friends at home or help in a battle

There’s also the app that lets you control your ship tools and all from the iPad

Could reach out to the devs of that

[thick mirage]

I can do that for sure. As long as I follow the rules not saying a specific name, I should be good.

[jaunty lark]

And ask to work with them or something

They could help you some w dev and yoy them

And dope bro

Cool idea

[unkempt sluice]

I don't think it's going that far @jaunty lark, just like the other one, it shows you vehicle interfaces that you can interact with through touch

Not that you can play the game while on the road.

[jaunty lark]

Yeah that’s what I was mentioning

He should speak with them if his intent is to make that software

Could work with them

[unkempt sluice]

SC melts people's laptops and desktops, your phone would catch fire and explode

[jaunty lark]

Theirs just lets you have a device you can control it all easily from

Depends on the format you present it really

He could do a different camera or a UI made view that’s clever

[thick mirage]

I have thought about that, but I really want it to be open source and for the community and not something I do for income. I have a decent enough job that I am not hurting.

[jaunty lark]

Division almost did the drone and phone thing at one point and players tested it and it worked

[unkempt sluice]

Division runs on a different game engine too though, doesn't it?

[jaunty lark]

Yeah but it’s no cherry to run

It’s still a computer game

Has bad memory problems

[thick mirage]

What flair would you all recommend for the post? Creative , Discussion or something else?

[jaunty lark]

Not sure maybe tool? Software

Discussion too

[unkempt sluice]

Yeah, but the engine sc runs on is still a work in progress

[thick mirage]

It would not be able to integrate with the game beyond what the established software does. Mostly due to the lack of an API with Star Citizen, and I do not want this to be flagged at any point as an engine hack, just a tool to help with the immersion.

[velvet ravine]

When a maaaaaan needs a gunner
Can’t keep his mind on nothin else
He’d trade all the UECC
For the good shot he found

[modest moth]

rule 6

[gray spindle]

lmao

told he should post a link to a reddit post instead

cited for rule 6 when he posts a reddit link

[thick mirage]

Is it the reddit post? Not asking for votes. I assumed advertising would be for sales.

[cinder oasis]

Oh good one, I even have it in my library

[unkempt sluice]

Raft on creative mode. Because fick that shark

[cinder oasis]

Oh yeah, and flight sims! I've got MSFS and X-Plane - they can be very chill

[unkempt sluice]

I like games where I can hunt, or build

[jaunty lark]

Wait so the server is partnered with the Reddit right

[unkempt sluice]

For just chilling

[cinder oasis]

The Forest, super chill 😂

Nice calm cave exploration

[velvet ravine]

They just like harassing people with the discord wands

[marble sphinx]

you cant do that here

[jaunty lark]

@thick mirage that’s my bad

[marble sphinx]

oh I was scrolled up

wew

[jaunty lark]

I assumed since the discord is partnered with the SC Reddit you could

Post links to their Reddit

[marble sphinx]

?????

[thick mirage]

Removed, sorry.

[marble sphinx]

it's not partnered, the owners are the same, this discord is from /r/sc

[jaunty lark]

So we can’t post Reddit links?

To the SC Reddit

[marble sphinx]

you cant post links where you beg about stuff or promote stuff

doesnt matter if it's reddit or not

[jaunty lark]

Rip

[marble sphinx]

People could get away with it if they would start a meaningful discusion about it. But instead most of the time we just see text and link copy pastas

[cinder oasis]

I've been meaning to discuss the fact that I happen to be a nigerian prince and am looking to give away my riches to these Trusted Mr. Members. All I need is some taxes upfront and I want to have a discussion about that 😂

Nailed it

[thick mirage]

Would it have been different at all if I added the link to my message above where I was seeing if anyone would be interested in helping?

[unkempt sluice]

I think the rule is zero advertising/ self promotion etc.

Which is funny, because some channels all they are is advertising for organizations and the promotion of such

[jaunty lark]

Hopefully the post itself will get attention

And yeah I just don’t even cola

There’s hypocrisy but it’s for logical reasons that I fully get

[unkempt sluice]

I get the reasoning, I do

But he was initially trying to find a proper channel to post in as well, so as not to flood a chat with ads

[jaunty lark]

It was my bad I told him to post it here

I didn’t think of people already abusing it to shit

[unkempt sluice]

At least he wasn't trying to be belligerent about it

[gray spindle]

Way to go might be a post in #imadethis with the proof of concept and ask for contributors there

[unkempt sluice]

Maybe? If he has anything to show this early on.

[unreal dune]

Are you jonesin, man?

If you continuously just irritate the mods and poke at their rules, you're going to make it hard to treat you fairly

[unkempt sluice]

Hrmmm....

[thick mirage]

I think that might be the route I move next. I am going to redo my Proof of Concept and get a little video together.

I am sorry to have taken this over like that, we can now move back into other off-topicness 🙂

[gray spindle]

I definitely want to see more people contributing to the project

I think you could make some high quality open source tools with good community support

[unkempt sluice]

Since we do have a mod here watching, is #imadethis correct path for something like what @thick mirage wants to do, @unreal dune ?

[sour python]

#the-airlock is it over?

[unreal dune]

It's better now

[unreal dune]

Yes that seems reasonable

[unkempt sluice]

Thank you, @unreal dune

[cinder oasis]

People who can't treat people fairly when irritated shouldn't be mods or have power over anything.

[unreal dune]

Ah yes, very insightful

I didn't say we couldn't, just that they're making it hard

[cinder oasis]

Fair enough.

[marble sphinx]

Well, that's because those channels are exactly specialized for that

[unreal dune]

We consider it very important to treat everyone fairly, no matter how much they poke and prod and irritate based on their perception of how we're doing our jobs

I'm mostly just warning that it's certainly not doing them any favours to continuously question our actions

[cinder oasis]

If your actions are fair I don't see that anyone should need to be warned of questioning them

Nor why you'd mind that

Even judges elaborate extensively on their thought process and justifications when deciding on sentences

[unreal dune]

Implying that we're "Harassing" people when we Warn them is not something we want to continue

[cinder oasis]

Not just because it's good for others to understand them even when they're fair - but also for the judges themselves to be open to reinterpretation if they're affected by outside influence or emotions

[marble sphinx]

dude, it's just a discord server. If someone is being n ass they get warned or kicked. It's not quantumscience

[unreal dune]

To be clear, no one will get punished for voicing their opinions and asking for reconsideration

At the same time, I believe I'm in my rights to verbally explain that it may not be in their best interest if they're being belligerent about it. My intention isn't to threaten them

[cinder oasis]

If you have a responsibility, it's worth taking it seriously. If you don't take your responsibility as a mod seriously because it's just a discord server - then why on earth should anyone take your rules seriously?

Time for a bath. Later

[sour python]

that's the first time i've heard /r/sc discord mods aren't serious enough lol

[unreal dune]

[marble sphinx]

This is not what I said, I said, that most of the time someone gets a waring or kick or ban, it's because that person is being an ass or broken some obvious shit. This isnt a court or something.

The moderators of this server do a way better job than they have in the past.

So that's a good thing

[rose ferry]

Better than in the past because that’s when you were a mod

[lethal hatch]

[unreal dune]

[marble sphinx]

I heavily dislike people who have to hold someones mistakes in the face everytime an interation happens.

[rose ferry]

Because every time you make a comment about the mods you make it seem like you’re the moral authority on what’s right and wrong

[unreal dune]

Scrim, relax man. He served us a compliment

[marble sphinx]

I have no words, dude, i dont know what scrims problem is. Ive been very possible of you guys for quite a while now and all i get from scrim is REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[rose ferry]

He has a hard time dishing out compliments without tacking on a negative onto it

[lethal hatch]

who knew.. grag was a mod

[cinder oasis]

The way I'd approach this issue is to take a cue from judges elaborate explanations of their thought process to the public. Just because you make a fair decision doesn't mean it's immediately obvious why to others

Explaining decisions serves a purpose, even when you're right

[unreal dune]

In this case, I feel like it was very clear that they were punished for Harassment, as noted in the Warn log and in the messages preceding the Warn

Additionally, I don't feel the need to explain decisions when the "Request" for those decisions is to explain that the Mods are harassing everyone

[unreal dune]

You're not helping with that last part there

[marble sphinx]

Yeah and it was a mistake, but i think i got better at it with birco and general in life

[unreal dune]

There wasn't even a negative on that one

[rose ferry]

Fine, phrased it incorrectly. You know what I meant

[unkempt sluice]

Woah

I get that I'm nobody but maybe it's time to move on from this?

[marble sphinx]

It's just mindboggling to me that some people just cant get over it. I do recieve mostly negative or dismissive posts from scrim and slim.

I thought i can build new relations with scrim with the botstuff, but this recent post showed me that nothing has changed.

Im not butthurt or angry or anything, I just want to have a good time with people who like sc

:D

[unkempt sluice]

Before everyone starts earning warnings? Just maybe?

[marble sphinx]

why would anyone get warned for that?

hah

[lethal hatch]

wew, if i do say so myself

[marble sphinx]

wew

[charred current]

member when I got instakicked from veterans for one wew "violation"

[unkempt sluice]

Please no

[lethal hatch]

one wew too much, veal

[marble sphinx]

wewception

[lethal hatch]

LOL

[unreal dune]

Just a peek

[cinder oasis]

Jesus christ monkey balls.

[marble sphinx]

why would wew be a non vet thing

[charred current]

ngl that was so childishly petty am not even mad

[marble sphinx]

hah

[charred current]

actual adult reasoning

wew

[marble sphinx]

wew

[lethal hatch]

Wews unite

[lofty fossil]

wew

[lethal hatch]

[charred current]

execute order sixtywew

[marble sphinx]

this is the land of the wews now

[lofty fossil]

I missed some drama

oh well

[marble sphinx]

if I can have a discussion, I have no idea how wew became actually my thing. Like, i dont remember how it became a thing.

I just kept using it and at some point everyone did

[unreal dune]

Apparently it was a @spark marsh thing

[charred current]

I see a similar pattern with origin ship

[marble sphinx]

well I only arrived in early 2017 here

[marble sphinx]

ikr

hah

[sour python]

wow. the history of wew.

i like to say "wew" instead of "gf" after a dogfight in game now lol

[cinder oasis]

Let's make the new one Wubba lubba Dub dub

[lofty fossil]

it's like going 'woo!' or 'wow' or 'wha..?' and is flexible given the situation

[sour python]

no

[lofty fossil]

therefore, wew

I use it as a kinder off-hands response to a situation in a channel whenever I end up back on here for some reason

[marble sphinx]

i use wew as a placefiller, if that makes sense

anyways,

wew

I need to finish my take-home-exam

[velvet ravine]

Smh if that really comes hard for you im not sure how you got that title. Go on and cast your little level 3 invisibility spell on me

[gray spindle]

not a fuckin clue what you expect to happen if you're harassing staff

surely you can work out what happens

[velvet ravine]

Harassing that’s rich, you deserve these mods

[sour python]

get help

[marble sphinx]

lmao

[lofty fossil]

[unkempt sluice]

Damn. Here I thought the drama was done

[gray spindle]

it doesn't matter what i think you're doing, it matters what the mods think you're doing lmao

[velvet ravine]

like I said

[cinder oasis]

What @velvet ravine said is completely fair.

[velvet ravine]

S
M
H

[unkempt sluice]

All this over a guy posted a thing in the wrong channel

[velvet ravine]

No no

It’s more

[unreal dune]

Which? That if we can't handle our emotions we don't deserve to be mods?

[velvet ravine]

Just a man with a dream for a gunner

[unkempt sluice]

Legit asked which channel was apropriate first too

[unreal dune]

Dread was warned for harassing a user after they repeatedly told him to stop

Cherri that's completely separate

[unkempt sluice]

I only was around for today

[unreal dune]

It happened today

[cinder oasis]

If treating people fairly comes hard to you when irritated - that it's not the right position for you

[velvet ravine]

If you look around and see these constant bicker matches between mods and users, that’s a sign of a thing, now stfu and leave me alone I’m eating Cheetos

[unreal dune]

You literally pinged me

[unkempt sluice]

If there was before, and I'm not doubting he probably gave some more questionable statements, I get it

[cinder oasis]

It's not a personal thing @unreal dune - Just a logical statement

[unreal dune]

Sure, I agree with it

[velvet ravine]

Bitch you pinged ME rawwwarrrrre

[marble sphinx]

I dont think being disrespectful is a good thing

[cinder oasis]

Are you a led zep fan?

[unkempt sluice]

This, honestly

[velvet ravine]

Then have your dumb little chat where literally one risks ever being offensive idc

[unkempt sluice]

From mods to civilians

[velvet ravine]

I’m a led zep cover band enthusiast

[marble sphinx]

a what

[sour python]

i don't see constant bicker matches with the mods tbh. i do occasionally see these kinds of behaviors from some guys who focus on people like mods and feel like they have some kind of duty to pick fights with em. seek therapy.

[cinder oasis]

Ah. I'm a huge led zep fan, don't listen to cover bands though.

[velvet ravine]

Well don’t yt dread zeppelin then, it might offend you

[cinder oasis]

I'm rarely offended. Just not interested in cover bands

I don't have to hate everything I'm not into

[marble sphinx]

yeah, there are only fights on rare times, the mods doin a good job not getting to crazy with modding and the same time not too loose

[cinder oasis]

That'd be far too time consuming

[velvet ravine]

Thing is if I’m harassed for a dumb reason by the mods then Im Immediately put on the defensive so yea I can see how you could see that thru a narrow outlook

[lofty fossil]

Shitty behavior and violation of rules on a community and continued to defy requests to stop when you violate them doesn't give you a free pass to continue being shitty.

It's seriously that simple.

[unkempt sluice]

Break time?

[velvet ravine]

But I won’t say harassed…that their word! I was minorly inconvenienced

[charred current]

I don't even know anymore, I mean most of the time I guess

[cinder oasis]

The mentality of either agreeing or not with authority, regardless of merit, is an authoritarian outlook

[lofty fossil]

If you have such a problem with following any rules at all, you're welcome to leave. Or you can change your behavior as requested. Stop fussing around like you're going to change the whole server under your own personal rules.

[unkempt sluice]

I need to get popcorn if this keeps going.

[charred current]

but also feels like a lot of people go through life actively looking for something to offend them

[velvet ravine]

Smh

Anyways eating Cheetos stop pinging me

[unreal dune]

[sour python]

I saw this deep in the youtube video years ago... that was nothing but a repeat loop of somebody narrating "Cheetos... are.... gross. Cheetos.... are.... gross." while zooming in on cheetos. quality brainwashing 10/10 would do it again

[cinder oasis]

Time to wash my hair, make it shiny

[velvet ravine]

Just for the record I made the crucial mistake of asking someone about 5 times to be my gunner jn a hammerhead gun ship which said person claimed wasn’t a very good ship and they would never be my gunner in, in a public chat over the course of about 24 hours or what ever it was. So yea big creepy guy I am for trying to be silly in what I would have thought is very obvious way. Smh a thousand times you will rue the day you interrupted my cheesy finger crust session

[unreal dune]

Your humor needs work, friend

[marble sphinx]

german humor, I can with

[velvet ravine]

I’m the funniest person you never knew you ever met

[lofty fossil]

Your humor doesn't translate well over the internet here.

[velvet ravine]

And your rules are breaking my back! Oh life!

[lofty fossil]

Sounds like your problem.

[velvet ravine]

Who tf else’s problem would@my@back breaking be?

Oh right the people who depend on me

[cinder oasis]

Plot twist: He doesn't know because you stalk him

[velvet ravine]

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot@make@him pee

[cinder oasis]

Nor can you make him be the "gunner" on your "hammerhead" :D

[velvet ravine]

Lol

Careful you tread into dangerous lands

[modest moth]

Make with the funny

Where's the funny

[velvet ravine]

[modest moth]

Acceptable

[velvet ravine]

[lofty fossil]

are turtles still in SC or have they been removed for a while?

[modest moth]

What do you call a person who studies the crucifixion of Jesus?

A cross examiner

[lofty fossil]

eh

[modest moth]

Maybe Janus can do better

?badjoke

[gentle wadi]

What do you call a beehive without the b's? An eehive.

[velvet ravine]

What you call a joke with no punch line

[modest moth]

Harassment?

[velvet ravine]

Give this man a prize

[modest moth]

[velvet ravine]

[modest moth]

I got it right

Oh no, the turtle is being harassed by that fire

[lofty fossil]

only elmo can start fires

[velvet ravine]

Quick mute him@for his own safety

[lofty fossil]

we're trying to save the turtle

[velvet ravine]

If you can’t hear his screams he’s not really dying

[modest moth]

[velvet ravine]

: screams in silent turtle :

[cinder oasis]

What's the difference between priests and acne

Acne waits until a boy is 14 to come on his face

[velvet ravine]

[lofty fossil]

wew

[dense forge]

@velvet ravine X4 is actually really, good. the tutorial is complete trash, it has an incredibly steep learning curve

in here now because talking X4 there will get ma @$$ booted

[velvet ravine]

yea I know they are really touchy

maybe I try it again, i AM that bored

[dense forge]

once you get the hang of it, build your own ships, stations, fly anything, space legs.. good ship variety. covers most bases, and has a story if you so wish\

lots of different ways to play that game really

[velvet ravine]

yea I think the stopping point for me was coming across some npc bending over a table and having some ostrich looking bendy neck thing going on

[soft tendon]

can i has a role yet

i been good for very long

and i helped a lost soul last week

plus i strimmed live on discord minecraft to my lil bro for an hour or so

[lethal hatch]

[orchid urchin]

[sweet anchor]

https://mobile.twitter.com/lawrenceyang/status/1416485869091913728

Lawrence Yang (@lawrenceyang)

@K__Med Yep, games will load faster off internal storage, but games still play great off an SD card. When IGN came by, all the games they tried (and shot footage of) were played off a microSD card.

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Twitter · Jul 17, 2021, 7:52 PM

No way

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/onmj52/steam_deck_to_feature_quad_channel_lpddr5_5500mts/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Updated from dual channel to quad channel as well? Wonder why this wasn't listed on release

[orchid urchin]

Happy Eid!

[median sandal]

Not even bribing works

[rigid mantle]

Who knows about the Ptolemaios ship in Gundam 00?

[proven linden]

Who here is interested in helping create a fan-made Terran Trade Authority book?

[gray spindle]

book?

[proven linden]

Right now we're just putting a bunch of fan made stuff into a coherent storyline

But the goal is to bring more attention to the franchise

And a book will probably be the end product

[proven linden]

An art book

Posting server invites isn't allowed here, but I can DM the link

to anyone who's interested

[scarlet notch]

Mm resolution

[sharp ridge]

4k native VS 4k fsr enabled(1440p render res)

[idle canopy]

4.9k messages to go

[fierce wadi]

i dont see any diffrences, may be my lack of technology in my pc

[sharp ridge]

Fun fact: You can enable FSR in Star Citizen on Linux

[worn light]

lmfao

[austere hemlock]

https://youtu.be/tMHhXzpwupU

Wally Funk's first spaceflight. Apparently some other bozos are going with her

[meager lava]

I dont see on either and i have 8k screen

[meager lava]

Uhm

[meager lava]

I dont get what your trying to show...

[soft tendon]

my BEST guess, is that this is a view overlooking some treetop foliage, and the second pic shows perhaps a fire and some smoke, with a meager attempt at dousing the fire.

Could be completely wrong tho.

[brittle goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41IPwI2kb8w

"Astronaut" Bezos going to space 😄 idk somehow sounds funny to me ....

t-16

[fierce wadi]

is this in SC??

oh this is off topic, nm

[sharp ridge]

Btw you can enable FSR in Star Citizen on Linux

[sweet anchor]

How?

[fierce wadi]

idk what FSR is

Googlefu tells me it s fidelityfx super resolution, this is relevant to my 5700xt's interest 🥔

[lofty fossil]

AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution

similar to Nvidia's DLSS, where AI-processed machine learning fills in details when upscaling from a lower resolution to a higher one

at less performance cost than rendering at the higher native resolution

[jaunty lark]

I wanna be

A shining star

In fancy clothes

Driving fancy car-ars

[brittle goblet]

FSR is also for those with weaker/older cards. While DLSS is probably the most powerful if you have RTX card , FSR has some advantages where it avoids ghosting and imput lag where DLSS may cause

Although i heard DLSS 2.2 has fixed ghosting and imput lag

[unreal dune]

It has improved those things

DLSS is absolutely the superior technology by a long shot. But only if you have the right card and the right game
FSR just works for everything

@ancient jasper Setup of the V2 was real nice

The V2 doesn't have any actual "upgrades" per se, it just kinda works in some community suggestions and parts

Like a proper glass bed, better thumbwheels and feeding

[subtle mantle]

I mostly bought my 3d printers to print miniatures for table top games. I eventually want to make my own.

But I've printed a couple decorative items.

[unreal dune]

@fierce wadi Yeah that's the main issue with Resin. Messy and toxic

[unreal dune]

I have whole boxes of Miniatures now for my D&D games

[ancient jasper]

Nice to hear that the QC has seemingly improved from Creality, they used to be a dice roll every time.

Don't get me wrong, I loved my Ender 3. I daresay it was a good thing to have an unreliable machine because it forced to me understand how it worked and how to fix it. As such I appreciated the mechanics and capabilities of the machines.

If you don't mind the slightly smaller 18cm^3 build volume, I'd highly recommend the Prusa Mini, absolutely excellent workhorse. Only issues I've ever had were my own doings (unconventional solutions) .

[unreal dune]

Mostly 1-inch base sized for stuff, but some other big ol' monsters

[subtle mantle]

I would absolutely suggest better bed springs on the v2 ender.

The stock ones were super garbo

And a glue stick. Lol

[unreal dune]

Mine were OK, but I still upgraded

[fierce wadi]

yeah i got those yellow springs

[unreal dune]

And I use Hairspray for the bed

[fierce wadi]

i don't need glue on my v2 though it sticks really well

[subtle mantle]

I'm making my own ttrpg and I want to eventually make my own minis for it.

[ancient jasper]

You still use a glass bed @unreal dune ?

[unreal dune]

Yeah

[fierce wadi]

the v2 has the textured glass bed

with a BLTouch it sticks really well

i print with PLA if that makes a difference

[subtle mantle]

Mine didn't stick well.

[ancient jasper]

Would recommend PEI spring steel if you can. Lovely stuff, no more scraping prints off, heats up much quicker and you don't quite get the shiny base.

[unreal dune]

Oh, PEI powder coated?

I've thought about it

[ancient jasper]

yeah

[subtle mantle]

I have an issue with my resin printer printing minis with bases. The program always wants to put a ton of supports under the base instead of putting the base on the plate.

[unreal dune]

I don't have to scrape off the glass though

[subtle mantle]

I just always have too much going on at any time.

[ancient jasper]

smooth PEI is nice, but not really worth replacing the glass for imo if you don't have to scrape.

[subtle mantle]

Depression takes up like 70% of my time. It can be a really pain to schedule in learning new things.

[fierce wadi]

i have like 20 rolls xD

[ancient jasper]

no, no. Textured PEI is lovely stuff though.

PET-G prints without any barrier adhesives and comes off flawlessly

can also print PLA on it, though you do have to be a little aggressive to get decent first layer adhesion.

[sweet anchor]

Guys hear me out. A steam deck but without a screen or controls. But with ports

A tiny gaming pc

[fierce wadi]

you're talking about steam machines

which failed

lol

[sweet anchor]

Except I'm not

[subtle mantle]

Lol

[ancient jasper]

as a lovely bonus, you don't get that smooth bottom effect from the smooth print surface, and when you do get stuff to stick, it will not come off during printing. Textured = greater surface area.

[subtle mantle]

Thats almost exactly what a steam machine was. Lol.

Which, I still think was a good idea, they just bungled it.

[sweet anchor]

Steam machines were not mobile hardware in a box, it was overpriced hardware in a box

[subtle mantle]

Which is partly why I'm not sure about getting a steam deck. They are like Google in that they drop ideas quickly.

eyes narrow at the idea of Google glass

[fierce wadi]

if it can't run SC not interested

[sweet anchor]

You can run sc on Linux yes?

[subtle mantle]

eyes narrow further about g+

[fierce wadi]

spec wise

[subtle mantle]

eyes closed and seething about gchat

[sweet anchor]

Its also a 720p display

I'm sure it will run, just not well

[lofty fossil]

800p

[fierce wadi]

^

800p is absolutely fine for a screen that size

[lofty fossil]

I've been wanting something to replace or at least update my Switch

[sweet anchor]

Its litteraly 720 on a taller aspect ratio

[lofty fossil]

Nintendo gave us

an OLED with a dock that has ethernet

[subtle mantle]

Resolution isn't the issue for SC.

Lol

[sweet anchor]

Its only 80 more rows

[lofty fossil]

[fierce wadi]

where is the 720 in the resolution can you show me?

[subtle mantle]

I don't regret my switch because I loved Zelda, but I haven't touched it in a very long time.

[sweet anchor]

I dont get why people were making fun of the switch for being 720p but then see the steam deck and say it's it's much better. It's a bigger screen with basically the same resolution

Lower ppi

[fierce wadi]

i liked breath of the wild but it is so overrated

[sweet anchor]

I dont mind either

Switch display is fine

[lofty fossil]

the OLED version is bumping up to 7" as well

[sweet anchor]

Yeah

[vague hamlet]

800p is 720p but worse because now pixel conversion for standard resolutions isn't 1:1

you'll never notice 80 extra rows lol

[lofty fossil]

maybe 800p screens are available and 720p aren't

with the chip shortages and all

[vague hamlet]

i don't really play a lot of pc games in a context where i'd need an underpowered mobile device

[fierce wadi]

@vague hamletthen just run 720p with borders if you hate it so much

[vague hamlet]

and if i did i mean, i'd probably use a laptop

[sweet anchor]

720p is 1280x720, steam deck is 1280x800. Its just 720p with 80 extra rows to make the display 16:10

[vague hamlet]

but maybe there's a market

handheld consoles have seemed pointless to me ever since i stopped being driven around by my parents

[fierce wadi]

@sweet anchori'm not seeing 720 in 1280x800 the 720p means the 720 in 1280x720

so it is 800p

[vague hamlet]

shut up nerd everyone knows the difference

[sweet anchor]

Calling it 800p is the most technically correct but it's not exactly wrong to call it 720p

[fierce wadi]

@vague hamletyou wouldn't want to play SC while laying a brick?

[sweet anchor]

Also this

[vague hamlet]

it's the same resolution with some additional rows

[fierce wadi]

it is wrong because it isn't 720p lol

[vague hamlet]

no?

i don't wanna play any video games while shitting

[fierce wadi]

"this weight weighs 7 grams, it is a 5 gram weight"

[vague hamlet]

sometimes i read

[fierce wadi]

much sense

[vague hamlet]

it's a 5.5 gram weight vs a 5 gram weight

and calling a 5.5 gram weight 5 grams in conversation would be accurate

[fierce wadi]

calling it a 5gram weight would still be wrong

[sweet anchor]

I mean, people call the Sony phone displays 4k even when they are half the pixels of 4k

[vague hamlet]

you're a pedant and a nerd and i don't respect you blocked

[subtle mantle]

When someone says 720p, they are referring to a known common as a reference point for shared understanding.

Anyone should understand that and would technically be obnoxious for correcting them as 800p.

🧐

[fierce wadi]

😂

[vague hamlet]

jk blocks are limited

[subtle mantle]

cough cough

[fierce wadi]

giving me incorrect facts feel obnoxious

[lofty fossil]

that's 102,400 pixels you're dismissing though

all pixels matter

[subtle mantle]

If you want correct facts, Google it. If you want discussion, relax.

[vague hamlet]

they're not facts, every day conversation isn't bound to precise data reporting

it's the same reason i say it's "8:30" when someone asks me what time it is and it's 8:32

[subtle mantle]

Actually, no. That one white pixel is a pita.

[fierce wadi]

you dirty pixalist

[lofty fossil]

hence why all pixels matter. not just 99.9% of them

[fierce wadi]

ignoring the minority pixels

[subtle mantle]

Omg, nooooooo you made me burn my casserole!

[unreal dune]

[vague hamlet]

point is the steam deck screen resolution is probably fine for its size

which is too small

[subtle mantle]

Lol

[vague hamlet]

if 800p is enough your screen is too small

[fierce wadi]

once it was 3:45pm, someone told me it was 3:30pm, so i was fucking late

give me an exact time plsthnx

[vague hamlet]

"now you can pay several hundred dollars to have a lesser version of your pc gaming experience on the uh"

"subway i guess"

pc gamers with disposable income who use public transit, there are dozens of them

[lofty fossil]

or I want to separate gaming from my computer which I use for work

[vague hamlet]

in a handful of cities that have that infrastructure and aren't convenient to drive in

[vague hamlet]

you use your expensive personal computer for work?

[fierce wadi]

i also don't want to carry my HEAVY ASS COMPUTER with my weak little arms to a friends house

steam deck i can shove in my bag

[vague hamlet]

i use my work computer for work and my computer for gaming

[sweet anchor]

i can either buy a gaming laptop to use for school and gaming at my dads house, or i can buy a steamdeck for gaming at my dads house and a cheaper laptop with better battery for school

[lofty fossil]

I do freelance work, so yes

[vague hamlet]

oh i see

[lofty fossil]

and the work I do involves VR

[vague hamlet]

why wouldn't you also use that workstation for gaming though

[fierce wadi]

i'd love to be able to take a PC gaming system to my friends hosue

[sweet anchor]

a gaming laptop is more powerful, but its also a big hassle to carry around and the battery doesnt last long enough for my school and the fans are noisy

[fierce wadi]

instead i have to take my PS5 which is a big boi 😢

[lofty fossil]

I can, but like I said I want to separate myself from work with a separate machine, and steam deck is way cheaper to play a backlog of stuff than buying a semi-decent machine, while also being a substitute for my Switch

[fierce wadi]

i like big bois but that isn't the point

[sweet anchor]

also, i do travel quite a lot

besides just my dads house

if it were just my dads, id buy a gaming pc for there

[lofty fossil]

with steam cloud saves it means I can switch between either, or possibly even use my main machine to stream to the Deck while at home without needing all that beefy power in it

[fierce wadi]

so the whole "steam deck isn't for me so it is pointless for everyone" just doesn't work

[lofty fossil]

might also be able to do more basic VR development with it on the go

[fierce wadi]

what kinda VR stuff do you do auron? that is pretty cool

[sweet anchor]

valve is working on implementing a feature that lets you play a game, pause it, put your deck in sleep mode, and then start from where you left off when you get to your pc

[vague hamlet]

i don't think it's pointless for everyone but i think it'll struggle to find a market

[fierce wadi]

hopefully valve aren't expecting a massive market like the switch so they don't abandon it

if their expectations are set right should be good

[lofty fossil]

I have a couple side projects (one game, one social) I'm working on, but for work I'm on a contract for 3D CT scan visualization in VR for some hospitals in the Netherlands

[vague hamlet]

that's tight

[fierce wadi]

that is some fancy skilled work

i work at sainsburys

F

[subtle mantle]

I would mostly argue that if a billion dollar company thinks there is a market for the steam deck, there probably is. Lol

[lofty fossil]

I've been coding for 21 years now self-taught and did 8 years of mobile gamedev

[fierce wadi]

that mobile gamedev

did you make cute wifus?

[subtle mantle]

Oh cool. Make me a game app. Kthnx

[vague hamlet]

lol the same company also made the steam machine and the steam controller

[fierce wadi]

waifus*

[lofty fossil]

did, as in the past

I hate mobile

[vague hamlet]

the latter didn't deserve to be a failure but was

good mobile gaming is terrible

fuck touchscreens i hate em

[lofty fossil]

it made me hate myself as a human being

[fierce wadi]

i'm interested in these waifus

[lofty fossil]

so many dark patterns in the entire ecosystem

[subtle mantle]

Lol

[fierce wadi]

you did god's work, thanks for your sacrifice

[vague hamlet]

maybe you should consider talking to women

[subtle mantle]

You mean the exploitation of dopamine in our children?

Naaahhhh

That'll turn out fiiiiine

[fierce wadi]

i'll go look in a mirror and talk to myself xD

[vague hamlet]

you can still talk to other women

what, you think i'm going to recommend talking to men? god no

[lofty fossil]

humans are terrible

[median sandal]

@unreal dune can I get mod? 👉👈

[unreal dune]

No

[subtle mantle]

I legit have a hard time talking with men these days. No lie. Women are more more interesting and socially adept.

[vague hamlet]

i have like, one male friend i actually talk to

[scarlet notch]

[lofty fossil]

I have several roommates and we talk about all kinds of stuff

[subtle mantle]

Yes @lofty fossil , we get it, you live an awesome life.

[scarlet notch]

[subtle mantle]

[lofty fossil]

I really don't, my life is boring

[vague hamlet]

and maybe two women apart from my gf idk everyone i know moved after graduation or is still religious

maybe i should make more friends

with all the time i don't have

[subtle mantle]

See. I told you. Lol

[scarlet notch]

How many friends do you have

[subtle mantle]

Jk, all people Americans suck.

[vague hamlet]

i guess it depends on how you define friends

[scarlet notch]

Friends arnt people you just go out and do stuff with

[vague hamlet]

there's lots of people i know and am generally friendly with but there's only a handful of them where i'm like, dming them deep fried memes at 2:45 in the morning

[marble sphinx]

yes

sure

[fierce wadi]

i remember posting something and the religious people from school were all like "you should find a nice christian boy"

how about no

[lofty fossil]

oh

[scarlet notch]

Ok

[vague hamlet]

nice christian boys have weird entitlement complexes and are usually secretly racist ime

[scarlet notch]

What type of

HUH

[fierce wadi]

i've only met one legitimately NICE christian boy

[lofty fossil]

[subtle mantle]

You mean like the ones that don't wipe their butts because "its gay, and homosexuality is a sin"?

[scarlet notch]

Are you like in the Deep South?

[vague hamlet]

SoCal, actually, but I grew up in a religious part of it. It's not all LA

[fierce wadi]

@subtle mantleif i say "doesn't she look pretty?" they freak out as if i committed an awful sin

[meager lava]

This conversation took a sharp turn dam

[fierce wadi]

not like i am going to jump on someone because i said they look pretty lol

[lofty fossil]

I know plenty of religious people who are nothing like what y'all are talking about.

[fierce wadi]

@lofty fossili don't doubt that, i've just only met one

maybe it is my area

[lofty fossil]

Probably your area.

[vague hamlet]

I grew up with religious people and find that they tend to be superficially nice but two-faced

[subtle mantle]

Reminds me of a study they did on children using game theory. Long story short, they found that Christian children were much more likely to offer deals that were beneficial to themselves while non religious children were much more likely to offer fairly distributed deals.

[vague hamlet]

not all of them, but enough of them that i don't trust them

[fierce wadi]

i honestly don't have anything against people being religious

[vague hamlet]

nice is cheap

everyone is nice if they want something from you

[scarlet notch]

I wanna see that

Lol

[subtle mantle]

I'll see if I can find it.

[vague hamlet]

have you ever played Settlers of Catan with a church group??

[lofty fossil]

People who wear <specific part of their life> wrapped around their body as a full on persona tend to be extreme in whatever that is, and make it patently clear to everyone else. Others with the same attributes aren't necessarily even known or recognized as such, so it also is about confirmation bias.

[vague hamlet]

"do unto others" my ass

[vague hamlet]

My lived experiences are relevant and your dismissal doesn't count for much.

[meager lava]

Do unto others?

Tf is it supposed to mean?

[vague hamlet]

Growing up Christian made me dislike and mistrust Christians. Most other people who left my community feel the same way.

[fierce wadi]

@meager lavait is supposed to mean treat others how you want to be treated

[meager lava]

Oh

I mean yea

But if someone is rude to me f them

[fierce wadi]

agreed lol

[vague hamlet]

Well yeah, if you're rude to someone you'd expect them to be rude back to you, though

[fierce wadi]

i tend to be really sarcastic sometimes though

comes with being british i guess

[lofty fossil]

I've seen plenty of awful people too

Personally I think all religion is crap

[vague hamlet]

I don't think it means "only be nice" it's more "have the same expectations for yourself as for others" or whatever

[fierce wadi]

i'm not saying most americans don't understand sarcasm but... most americans don't understand sarcasm

[vague hamlet]

americans love sarcasm what are you talking about

we like british humor, just not all of it

sorry but your version of the office is super depressing even though ours is kind of vapid

[fierce wadi]

i've had so much of my sarcasm go over their heads lol, maybe it is another one of those regional things

i don't like the office

have you seen "The IT Crowd"?

great nerd comedy

[vague hamlet]

i love the IT crowd

[median sandal]

Thank you dababy

[lofty fossil]

IT crowd ftw

[vague hamlet]

also mitchell and webb

[fierce wadi]

we can be good friends then!

[vague hamlet]

and i mean americans have loved monty python for ages

[fierce wadi]

have you seen red dwarf?

[lofty fossil]

yes!

[meager lava]

How did it ended with humor after going to talk about religion?

[vague hamlet]

lots of americans watch british tv it's just not as like, universally accepted

[lofty fossil]

red dwarf is fantastic

[vague hamlet]

i have seen red dwarf! wasn't my favorite series but it was charming and funny

[fierce wadi]

red dwarf and black adder ❤️

[vague hamlet]

"personally, i disagree with your opinion. moving on..."

[meager lava]

This conversation is taking some of the sharpest turns in history in like seconds...

[lofty fossil]

I only had like 5 TV stations to watch and all of those aired on one of them

[meager lava]

XD

[vague hamlet]

accepting differences of opinion is easy and fun for the whole family

[unkempt sluice]

I think sarcasm might be a regional flavor thing.

[subtle mantle]

Lol no. I honestly don't really enjoy the company of Christians, or at least American Christians. They tend to see themselves as superior and thus more deserving of things, not to mention how they hand wave their hypocrisy away.

[meager lava]

Ikr :(

[subtle mantle]

True. Furries for example. Lol.

[fierce wadi]

people from california and new york like sarcasm

[unkempt sluice]

What's pretty commonly understood as sarcasm in one country or state doesn't always translate in another one

[fierce wadi]

maybe it is the south that don't understand it

[vague hamlet]

I don't think British sarcasm is necessarily lost on Americans, but some of it might not carry over because of different communication standards. Plus, we have to understand the situation for observational humor and that kind of thing to work.

[subtle mantle]

You have to have critical thinking for that.

[vague hamlet]

Deadpan humor isn't unfamiliar at all, though.

[lofty fossil]

not a bad example

[unkempt sluice]

The south also speaks a whole different language in some areas

[fierce wadi]

oh good example, a lot of furries have it as their entire identity

[vague hamlet]

that's what i'm implying lol

[subtle mantle]

Yeah, I was being kind of serious. Furries and BDSM people tend to let their interests be their personalities and they let it seep into everything else.

[lofty fossil]

Yup.

[unkempt sluice]

Maybe language nuances are what doesn't translate as sarcasm

[subtle mantle]

Like, cool, I'm glad you like something, but we were talking about getting lunch, why do you need your fur suit and or leash?

[fierce wadi]

"lets go to KFC" "okay let me grab my fursuit!"

[sweet anchor]

time to cut off contact

[vague hamlet]

I've noticed this too, and they get really defensive about it. "Don't kink shame!" Why not?

[subtle mantle]

I live in Texas. You're 100% right.

Certain political parties that are prevalent in the south push agendas that prevent critical thinking skills.

It works with their form of propaganda, which is extremely simplified messages. It also prevents them from understanding the oppositions messages, since they tend to be more nuanced.

[vague hamlet]

Literally why not? Like, don't tell me about your shameful predilections if you don't want to be shamed. It's private for a reason.

Nobody cares, but don't ADVERTISE it to someone who's not involved.

[subtle mantle]

Nah, some people need a little more shame in their lives. Lol.

[vague hamlet]

It's true.

[subtle mantle]

Like, I'll have a discussion with you about your weird things. But don't put me in weird public positions with it.

[vague hamlet]

Like, idk if you're into heterosexual sex in the missionary position for the purposes of procreation, maybe don't advertise that to me, a total stranger.

[lofty fossil]

When you need to overwrite your persona and/or make it sexual is when I have a problem with it.

Otherwise I literally do not care.

And if you do, I don't want to hear about it or see it.

[vague hamlet]

And that's the universal vanilla 85% type shit, not the weird niche stuff.

[subtle mantle]

There is a great episode of Atlanta about it.

[vague hamlet]

And yeah like, people who use furry pfps on tech or gaming forums, for instance

[fierce wadi]

i remember some guy talking about his bunny fursuit he made, he made a bunny one because it has a short snout to give good blowjobs

[subtle mantle]

Nice 🧐

[vague hamlet]

and it's always some stupid obviously sexualized pic and they're like "no guys it's innocent i just like disney's robin hood lol"

[subtle mantle]

Was he a good Christian boy?

[lofty fossil]

wew

[subtle mantle]

I mean, maid Marian can get it.

[lofty fossil]

well I'm going to work on my cross-medium framework for a bit

[unreal dune]

Gonna say, everyone, that while there are certainly some Strange people out there; I wouldn't suggest you paint entire groups with the same brush

[subtle mantle]

This is my painting, sir.

You have your own canvas. 🧐

[median sandal]

Woah

You just said that to a mod

[fierce wadi]

@unreal dunewhen a group of people sexualise animals i am going to have a pretty big brush

[subtle mantle]

It's a bit more nuanced than that. It's actually kind of interesting how it came into being.

[vague hamlet]

I'm going to generalize anyone foolish enough to tell me that they're a furry and not expect to be mocked for it

[fierce wadi]

High altitude atmospheric flight. Just got back from the Middle East.

[vague hamlet]

And I would have gotten away with it, if not for you meddling kids!

[median sandal]

Woah, how high were you

[vague hamlet]

how was the weather

[fierce wadi]

clear skies

[subtle mantle]

Well, that's kind of mean. I'm not saying furries are all bad, I'm just saying all my interactions with them have been sort of "bro, can you pocket that for 2 seconds?"

[fierce wadi]

@fierce wadifake pic earth is flat

[fierce wadi]

lol

[lofty fossil]

sarcasm

[fierce wadi]

clear skies

i was friends with a flat earther, it was sarcasm xD

[lofty fossil]

was

[subtle mantle]

Flat earthers are... painful for me to acknowledge.

They literally make me sad.

[fierce wadi]

conspiracies was his whole identity, literally all he ever spoke about

[median sandal]

Are you a pilot??

[subtle mantle]

I just.... I used to have such high opinions of people as a whole. But then people like flat earthers exist.

[fierce wadi]

I didnt pilot the aircraft. I was just flying at a really high altitude.

[subtle mantle]

It's just such a ... ugh

[median sandal]

Ahhh I see

[subtle mantle]

I'm even pretty ok with some conspiracy theories because, Jesus, the government has done some pretty crazy things.

cough cough mk ultra cough cough

But flat earth is just such a display of a lack of critical thinking skills and delusion.

[vague hamlet]

The conspiracy people I've encountered have literally all been people of average/below average intelligence who resolutely identify as being well above average intelligence

[subtle mantle]

Sir, my brain coach tells me I'm a genius.

[fierce wadi]

this a million times

they think they're smarter than all the average people who think the earth is a globe

[subtle mantle]

Now excuse me while I bounce ping pongs on a hammer.

[vague hamlet]

Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary it's always "I'm the only one who can see through this"

[fierce wadi]

most of them think they are "enlightened" and we're "asleep" and need to "wake up"

[subtle mantle]

This actually scares me about getting older. Like, will I slowly start losing my ability to not be dumb?

My poor brain.

[fierce wadi]

you're already half way there buddy

[vague hamlet]

Yes, but probably slowly enough that you won't have to worry about this.

[fierce wadi]

kidding xD

[subtle mantle]

Hahahaha.

sweats in tbi

[vague hamlet]

I kind of hate the 9/11 and moon people more than the flat Earthers. The flat Earthers are dumb, but like, obviously, ludicrously dumb. Truthers and moon landing people are always like...somehow they think that the government is both infinitely malicious and infinitely competent, when it's neither of those things.

"THEY BOUGHT OUT ALL OF THESE SCIENTISTS AND WITNESSES AND PEOPLE THEY PAID EM ALL OFF AND THEY KILLED THOSE PEOPLE FOR OIL MONEY"

jesus, did you base your entire worldview off a "disturbed" music video or something

[subtle mantle]

At least those had some level of logical thinking or motive behind them.

Flat earth theory has none whatsoever.

[vague hamlet]

that's why they're worse, flat earth is just crazy and/or stupid people

while it's alarming, i'm relatively comfortable writing them off as totaled

[subtle mantle]

But again, I will never 100% discredit most things because people went around saying the government was abducting them, pumping them with drugs, and torturing them, and then we found out about mk ultra.

And turns out- they were. Lol

And that's only what we've gotten to see. Lol. Who knows what was destroyed.

[lofty fossil]

I think conspiracy nuts felt invalidated for a portion of their lives and that getting in on some 'secret' information makes them feel powerful and above other people for some reason

[subtle mantle]

Or that one test they did with dropping chemicals in the atmosphere to see what nuclear fallout would be like.

[lofty fossil]

There has to be some kind of psychological pattern for that to emerge.

[subtle mantle]

Or, you know, lead in everything. Lol

[fierce wadi]

@lofty fossilsome of the communities, like flat earth, tend to be very close knit too, making them feel validated and loved

[lofty fossil]

Echo chambers are a dangerous thing, especially since they can reach across the world instantaneously, and then block and filter our any opposers to that exact chamber

[subtle mantle]

Have you seen that Netflix documentary on it?

It's obvious to me a lot of them just do it because it gives them friends and attention.

[lofty fossil]

In the past people couldn't just block someone like they can on the internet, not to the on/off switch capability

[fierce wadi]

@subtle mantleyeah that sergeant guy in it has such an inflated ego i noticed right away

[gray spindle]

Good read on echo chambers and epistemic bubbles https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/episteme/article/abs/echo-chambers-and-epistemic-bubbles/5D4AC3A808C538E17C50A7C09EC706F0

[lofty fossil]

Aside from like.. moving, or changing jobs or schools etc

[lethal hatch]

Flat earthers just do it to have an excuse to be antisemites

[vague hamlet]

MK Ultra is totally plausible. That being said, I can't help but notice that most of this insane, illegal shit happened in the heights of the Cold War and it tended to be the same people in charge doing it.

[subtle mantle]

Exactly. It's pretty obvious that the big people behind flat earth are pushing the agenda for personal reasons.

[subtle mantle]

Or they just got better at hiding it.

[vague hamlet]

MK Ultra was the US government testing LSD to see if it could be used for mind control, basically. They experimented on servicepeople of color. Big surprise, not unprecedented at all.

Horrible, but par for the course if we're talking mid 20th century.

[subtle mantle]

They experimented on just normal random people who had nothing to do with it at all too. Lol

It was insane.

I'm like 99% sure it was the precursor to modern interrogation techniques.

[lofty fossil]

These days (or in general) it's hard to say what's real without having solid proof though. Speculation can just dive into more conspiracies, and that can carry in waves on social media.

Which is why I mostly dumped social media

[vague hamlet]

If you think they could cover up 9/11 being a false flag thing you're vastly overestimating the competency of the various governmental bodies. It's a reasonable thing to expect, but it's not a reasonable thing to tell all your friends that it happened and they're wrong for questioning you.

[subtle mantle]

I hate having social media. But my job requires it. :(

[lofty fossil]

At least Discord is a live chat without algorithmic display of info and is only filtered by mods.

[vague hamlet]

Like, I think that it's possible Kennedy could have been killed by the US government, but seeing as I have no evidence I'm not going to say that it happened.

It's just a suspicion. Like, hm, that's a little convenient for some people. I wonder how accurate the official story is MAEKS U THINK etc

[subtle mantle]

I don't put anything past the rich and powerful. People don't realize how many of them don't see the rest of us as actual people.

[lofty fossil]

It can be fun to theorize, but to stand your ground on a theory is

[marble sphinx]

hello hello it is me grag

[subtle mantle]

I also don't put anything past dumb poor people either, because I. Have. Seen. Some. Shit.

[vague hamlet]

I know everyone likes to jump on the "eat the rich" bandwagon but I'd still take the rich over the very poor sorry it's not a movie most richoes i know can at least hold down a job

i guess it depends on how you define rich and what situation we're talking about

but yes i'd rather have jeff bezos at my back in a zombie apocalypse than the meth-addled bakersfield guy i'm imagining as a counterpoint

[subtle mantle]

I'd rather have neither tbh.

Neither are probably trust worthy or care about my personal well being.

[vague hamlet]

neither does the middle class

the whole class warfare fad lately is dumb and i'm not a fan

it seems to mostly be students and NEETS on the internet

[lethal hatch]

hello grag

[subtle mantle]

Lol.

[vague hamlet]

i mean i'm generally disgusted by the excesses of the upper class, but moreso the upper middle class than the actual upper class where they're flying private jets around to meet with foreign dignitaries or whatever

spending years of income on a yacht is incompetent and stupid, for instance, but if it's trivial i mean...it's probably a sound business decision if you play it right and also it's probably fun why wouldn't you

[subtle mantle]

There is a lot of evidence and studies, and a lot of history, backing up the issues of class warfare.

[vague hamlet]

i guess nobody should have that much money maybe but...why not? i don't care, no skin off my nose unless you're like "but it could be YOUR money" and it's like, it's not

[vague hamlet]

There's a lot of neo-Marxist economic theory and social theory that's just that, theory.

[subtle mantle]

You're going off the rails.

[lofty fossil]

can we just get rid of money kthx

[vague hamlet]

I'm not, I'm saying the evidence isn't really evidence

[subtle mantle]

Ok.

[lofty fossil]

let's move on to the star trek utopia where people just do things they want to do and we have replicators for everything

[subtle mantle]

AI might provide this, but I doubt capitalists will allow it.

[vague hamlet]

Literally impossible to run a society like this, who would do all the jobs that aren't fun or fulfilling

[lofty fossil]

machines?

automation is replacing a lot of that anyways

[subtle mantle]

Essentially, labor needs to be free and everyone achieves their needs for free before we can have a star trek like system.

[vague hamlet]

Sure, but if you can automate EVERYTHING what do they need us for?

So what, we're just children who suckle at the teat of our machine slaves that can do everything without us having to punch the clock?

[subtle mantle]

Again, off the rails.

[vague hamlet]

I mean I'm fine with robot overlords tbh but like

Star Trek didn't seem to really address this well

I do love Star Trek, it's just not sensible

[subtle mantle]

You're a kid aren't you. Lol

[marble sphinx]

wtf

guys

[lofty fossil]

having minimum wage jobs where people have to suckle the teat for every bit of labor they do for the most menial of things doesn't really address fulfillment of living intelligent creatures either, but that seems to be "fine"

[vague hamlet]

I'm not really sure why you're being so patronizing about me being dismissive of Marxism. If anything, that's a sign that I'm old.

[subtle mantle]

Wait.... money isn't the end goal?

[marble sphinx]

get yah toxic ass puuhlitics out of here, boiiiiiii

[subtle mantle]

My life...oof

[lofty fossil]

self-fulfillment and purpose is the end goal imho

[vague hamlet]

Sure, I don't like it either. But frankly, are all people that useful? Can we afford to have a high standard of living for everyone and still generate the resources necessary to maintain that consistently across the board?

Also, if we can, how do we motivate people to continue producing that?

[lofty fossil]

that's the tricky part

[vague hamlet]

If I had the same life as a database admin that I had as an unemployed guy, I'd never work. Nobody would work, except for bored people.

[subtle mantle]

I mean, firstly, it wouldn't hurt to not brainwash people into a mentality of production...

[vague hamlet]

It would, though.

[meager lava]

Was gonna say a futur for you child but yeah...

[subtle mantle]

Screw them, amirite?

[meager lava]

Yea why not

Honestly beeing under a tight regime might not be bad to straiten up the world

[vague hamlet]

That's such a ludicrous counterargument. "People don't want to work without compensation" "Because they're made that way by society" Like, no, people don't want to expend energy on staying alive but we have to because entropy

Like, what, we need a utopian economic system that's dependent on changing what appears to be basic human nature

[meager lava]

Utopian is fiction sadly....

[lofty fossil]

I think it's possible but it'd take many hundreds of years for society to make the slow shift, if it ever did

and that's if it kept shifting in the same direction the entire time

[meager lava]

Theira ways tp speed up a change of mind fpr societe

[lofty fossil]

that tends to end up in a lot of bloodshed though, or economic ruin

[meager lava]

Yea
..

[lofty fossil]

all of this is far too complex to reduce to a simple state though

[vague hamlet]

Yeah, that seems like it'd be necessary. And I'm pretty sure we'd go another path of less resistance.

Star Trek's vision of humanity is earnest and endearing, but often seems a bit naive.

Not to say that you have to be cynical

[lofty fossil]

it would seemingly be nice, though. for a utopian freedom of doing whatever you want without having the burden and stress of bills and the like

but our monkey brains need motivation

[marble sphinx]

There is no such thing as an Utopia.

[vague hamlet]

Just like, "in the 20th century, humanity was foolish and short sighted" like bro no we did some amazing stuff in the 20th century

[lofty fossil]

btw, the show Utopia is awesome

[vague hamlet]

humanity is just short sighted and foolish in general

we didn't change that much

[lofty fossil]

the british one anyways, never saw the american amazon one

[subtle mantle]

Just general advice to anyone who might read this, but if you seem to always have an answer to everything, then you might benefit from some self reflection.

[meager lava]

True

[lofty fossil]

Yeah, and I think as the older you get the more difficult that is to realize.

I'm excited for Breath of the Wild 2

[knotty dust]

i am also excited about ashes of creation

[lofty fossil]

otherwise I don't have any other games I care about in the future. too many in backlog to play currently

aside from SC

[knotty dust]

you guys know Ashes of creation?

[subtle mantle]

Let's keep that in #star-citizen

[lofty fossil]

sounds like an RTS game

[subtle mantle]

🧐

[knotty dust]

its a upcming mmorpg

a very ambitious one to

[lofty fossil]

I can barely fit one MMO in my life

SC is that MMO

[knotty dust]

ashes is more a classic style mmo

fantasy game

https://ashesofcreation.com/

here have a look yourself

[subtle mantle]

Again, #star-citizen if you please.

We must keep the chats clean and on topic.

Do not make me call a mod.

[knotty dust]

its worth a look

[lofty fossil]

this is a place for discussion of any topic

[knotty dust]

still in development tho

[lofty fossil]

like how Rimworld got its new expansion today

[knotty dust]

they just released their alpha

[lofty fossil]

where you can combine memes

Each belief system is built around a collection of 1-4 core memes, where each meme represents a core idea in the belief system. By combining memes and changing the details of how they are expressed, you can create a near-infinite variety of different belief systems.

[subtle mantle]

Lol

[lofty fossil]

[knotty dust]

and to get acces you need to pay 500 bucks

[subtle mantle]

I really like playing ttrpgs and always wanted to like mmorpgs, but I hate people, so I'm at a real conundrum.

How to enjoy people without hating them. Hmmmmmm

[lofty fossil]

I hate how almost every MMO ever made in the past 20 years is practically a reskin of WoW

[subtle mantle]

Yeah.

[knotty dust]

ashes is not a wow reskin

[subtle mantle]

One person makes money and everyone just follows.

[knotty dust]

far from it

[lofty fossil]

anything that deviates from the WoW formula is often doomed to failure within a year

[knotty dust]

like New world

[lofty fossil]

or is overtly grindy

[knotty dust]

new world will flop so hard

i am sure of it

[subtle mantle]

I just hate how games have become so efficient with everything.

[lofty fossil]

unfortunately I missed out on Everquest

[knotty dust]

i played a lot of runescape back in the day

[jaunty lark]

Same

A lot

I had 4 acc with 99 wc

[subtle mantle]

Original EQ was great. No third person. No maps. No voice chat.

[lofty fossil]

the only MMOs I played were runescape (free, not paid), Ragnarok Online, and Earth & Beyond

[knotty dust]

you was able to get a partyhat? @jaunty lark

[jaunty lark]

Everquest fuck that

Yeah and my sis got a dragon mask

From party room

Big steal

[knotty dust]

ohhh

how much coins is it worth?

[jaunty lark]

I got party hat through flipping

Idk back then it was around 300m

200-300

[subtle mantle]

Now every game has a GPS map, a minimal, auto travel, fast travel, etc.

[jaunty lark]

That was way back when

In falador

Everquest got shot on by

[lofty fossil]

gotta make sure the casuals don't get lost and quit playing

[jaunty lark]

Adventurequest

[subtle mantle]

Even when playing something as great as Witcher 3, I realized I spent more time watching the minimap than playing.

[jaunty lark]

Lmaooo I’m playing

[knotty dust]

how is final fantasy 14?

[jaunty lark]

There was so many adventurequest games

[knotty dust]

is that a good game?

[lofty fossil]

HZD lacks a minimap and I enjoyed BotW more without one

[knotty dust]

i see big streamers playing it

[jaunty lark]

Yes it’s good

[knotty dust]

lots of people seem to be praising it a lot

[jaunty lark]

I don’t play it but my friend with his head up his ass half the time got it

Plays it non stop

[lofty fossil]

I've only heard good things about FF14 in the past 5+ years

[jaunty lark]

Been months since I talked to him

[subtle mantle]

Its good by today's standards. But it's not what I wanted in an mmo. Worth trying though if you're bored. They have a free weekend coming up I believe.

[knotty dust]

ohh

[jaunty lark]

ESO I recommend HEAVILY

[lofty fossil]

I want dragon quest 10 in the west

[jaunty lark]

Mootie convinced me to get back in

[lofty fossil]

I hate ESO

[knotty dust]

i got ESO

[lofty fossil]

it feels like a mockery of ES in a WoW formula

[knotty dust]

but i did not get hooked

[jaunty lark]

I got into ESO back in 2014 and it was ass

Was so hyped been a big ES fan

Game is much better now

[knotty dust]

ESO on launch was shit

[subtle mantle]

Exactly.

All of these efficiency mechanics they add into games makes our brains just go on auto pilot.

[knotty dust]

you guys remember SWTOR?

[jaunty lark]

Launch ESO was abysmal

Yes

[lofty fossil]

I heard of it, never played

[jaunty lark]

I had 3 max sorc

On SWTOE

[knotty dust]

i played it abit

[jaunty lark]

SWTOR

[subtle mantle]

I love that ESO has equalized levels for stuff.

[knotty dust]

its good

[lofty fossil]

for some reason I never got into the star wars games except rogue squadron

[jaunty lark]

And a max bounty hunter

SWTOR is utter shit

I love it tho

It’s for something ab it

[lofty fossil]

I hate level equalizing

[jaunty lark]

Got*

[knotty dust]

SWTOR is basically KOTOR as a mmorpg

[subtle mantle]

I've never been much if a SW fan. I think it's over rated typically.

[jaunty lark]

ESO has optional equalized

Even then it’s not fully

[knotty dust]

before SWTOR we had Star wars galaxies

[jaunty lark]

Like Cyrodil pvp w level equalization, but if they got level 50 gear and you’re level 20 they’re gonna shit on you

YES

[lofty fossil]

I don't like ESO because if I run through a cave full of enemies they should be chasing me forever

it's not ES without that

[jaunty lark]

The game where you load into your char and be in the middle of a spawn camping war

Galaxies was wild

[subtle mantle]

I just like that I can be max level and my new friend who is level 5 and we can do content together still.

I don't play eso though anymore. Same issues of efficiency for me. You just teleport everywhere.

[lofty fossil]

the autoattacks and ability cooldowns are lame. it's not ES, it's just WoW reskinned. again.

[subtle mantle]

I hate fast travel.

[jaunty lark]

Yeah when ESO was coming I was like

Literally don’t even do skyrim

Go back to oblivion

[knotty dust]

i remember seeing lego universe on tv and getting all excited to try to make a account to following day to find out the game was closed down 😦

[jaunty lark]

Work w that concept of cyrodil and expand

Make it coop

Nah were gonna make an MMO ES

[lofty fossil]

imagine a drop in/out co-op gameplay like borderlands, but in ES

not this MMO crap