off-topic-not-sc

[low copper]

like, yeah Ironhide was brutally murdered, but it got the point across

[honest dragon]

cause they wouldnt have had to spend the first 25% of the movie explaining who the new female lead is

or have the super weird car dealer arc

they could have focused on the actual story line instead of fitting all the important shit in the last 40 minutes

the final battle was by far the best battle scene out of all the movies

[low copper]

oh yeah it was so rushed and spliced

like, how the fuck did Bumblebee and the others get caught? there was no explanation

[honest dragon]

yeah...

[low copper]

i will say though, driller was terrifying

[honest dragon]

when he was taking down the building

[low copper]

but shockwave died a disingenuous death

how they also sidelined optimus was also lazy

getting him trapped in cables, free for any Decepticon to kill but no one did?

[honest dragon]

shockwaves death was just them trying to recreate the blackout death hype from transformers 1

having all the humans team up to kill the 1 dude

[low copper]

starscream as well.... his death was... something

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-starscream-you-cant-hide-boy-you-cant-hide-you-cannot-hide-from-me-gif-21990543

till the final battle, the movie was fine, barely excusable, but the plot and the splicing of that final battle were just.... sigh

well, that's enough complaining, i gtg o7

[honest dragon]

o7

[tropic heath]

Best shockwave is IDW

Best Soundwave is Prime

[tropic heath]

Best Starscream = Armada

[low copper]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-prime-transformers-decepticons-starscream-dancing-gif-15929200

[honest dragon]

shockwave in IDW looks cool af but the prime version looks like IDW with massive upgrades

[tropic heath]

I think Prime took elements from IDW but I mean backstories

[honest dragon]

oh

[tropic heath]

Shockwave from IDW was deep as fuck

[honest dragon]

im only thinking of designs

[tropic heath]

I know a guy on twitter who made a remake of TFP Shockwave 3d model

The guy modeled the entire shit out of it. All mobile parts.

[honest dragon]

the one thing i would change from prime shockwave is the gun arm, i would have made it into something that could also be used for science

[tropic heath]

He always been a gun arm

[honest dragon]

it is cool af

it has been a gun arm but its always appeared to be like a multiool capable of more interactions then just shooting

[tropic heath]

He has it for self-defense as far I know, but it's not like he can't remove it.

[tropic heath]

I know he does welding with it

[honest dragon]

cant weld with the prime gun

https://tenor.com/view/shockwave-transformers-tfp-walk-walking-robot-gif-12280191

[strange bluff]

Sitting at station waiting to meet a waifu and my trains are cancelled wtf +1 hour wait

im remembered why transport is so shit

[tropic heath]

I still prefer the IDW version

[strange bluff]

bro i cant 💀

the squeel for help from the bag

[fierce wadi]

I think my water is tainted

[pliant mauve]

If it's brown, then your place probably had its water shut off for a short time. (My apartment building has it shut off 3 times a year at least.)

[fierce wadi]

We're on well water out here in the mountains, and had a metric shit ton of rain lately, so that's probably why

I'ma get it tested

[safe quest]

Very sad day this morning

[drifting pewter]

Why

[safe quest]

Owned the drone for a total of 8 hours. But thank goodness for protection plan. Leaned my lesson - no flying anywhere near trees

Was trying to do a low flyby

It'll be about 10 days till I'm back in the skies again lol

[drifting pewter]

That sucks what drone is it

[noble panther]

yeah I probably could've told you flying near obstacles is bad lmao

I was born in the year of the dog, I got that dog in me

@zenith folio hey u wanna play poker?

[safe quest]

DJI Mini 2 SE, already sent it out for replacement. 29 bucks to replace

[drifting pewter]

Looks great

[safe quest]

It had a total of 54 min flight time before crash

[pliant mauve]

Geebus. I just looked at the weather map and... the USA is boned:

Canada fires still going on, causing severe air quality issues.

[hot cradle]

Looking at getting the 3 Pro when I have the money, looks like tonnes of fun, when you're not becoming part of a tree anyways

[indigo badger]

Toasty in the southwest

[simple mason]

you guys need to chill out

[viscid loom]

Just zoom in and stay about 5-10ft above tree line; I do sweeps like this all the time. I've crashed mine once when the wind picked up and yeeted it into a tree

[safe quest]

Need more batteries, they go quick. Can't find a multi battery charger or individual batteries anywhere

[viscid loom]

Same issue with my original Mavic Air. I'm sure it'll be the same with my Mav Zoom 2, I keep forgetting to charge them and they just... die permanently

[safe quest]

I was also going to get a 2nd drone but no stores near me have the dji mini 2 se so I was going to pick up this at my local bestbuy https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6534909.p?skuId=6534909 but don't know if the camera will be as good as my mini 2 se

[viscid loom]

It says it's got a 4K camera, but doesn't provide the f stop or framerate. Hard to tell from just the sales spec sheet

[safe quest]

That is the part that concerns me

[umbral helm]

Probably has a shitty sensor

Shitty lens as well

[safe quest]

I'll just wait for my dji to get replaced

[viscid loom]

probably the best play tbh

[safe quest]

I got an idea while my dji is replaced how about going to opposite of up? Chasing gladius MINI Underwater Drone, 4K 1080P 12MP UHD Underwater Camera, Remote and APP Remote Control, Adjustable Attitude ±45°, Dive to 330ft, ROV with Backpack, Bobbin Winder, Advanced Remote Control, Waterproof Wipe https://a.co/d/ahRZona

Safer than oceangate

[floral patrol]

What colour is this, brown?

[viscid loom]

I had a submersible drone that we used in an old Atlas-F silo that filled with ground water. I had no idea (but should have) that they were wired, and for obvious reasons

[viscid loom]

burgundy/maroon-ish

[umbral helm]

Magenta

Maroon

Mixed the two up my b

[floral patrol]

What is maroon, I'm too colourblind for such exotic colour names

[simple mason]

its a dark red

[umbral helm]

Dark reddish brown

[floral patrol]

Alright thanks

[lapis spear]

Maroon is a very sexy red ngl

[floral patrol]

The only named colour I know is my favourite which is navy blue

Like very dark blue

[umbral helm]

It my fav (I have 50 favorites)

[indigo badger]

Yeah it is

[lapis spear]

@indigo badger did you end up getting your guide stuff done?

[indigo badger]

I did last weekend, haven’t done any of this weekend’s set

[lapis spear]

dm if you wana chain a few

[umbral helm]

Chat GPT is so useful for generating lore

[low copper]

another saturday in the US

[pliant mauve]

Too bad that isn't on PC in the west yet: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2139230/BLUE_PROTOCOL/

Steam

BLUE PROTOCOL

An Epic Journey Through TimeYou are on a quest to uncover the truth about your origins. On your travels you meet people from many worlds and make new friends with whom you share your adventures. Eventually, you find yourself facing an inescapable destiny that will determine the fate of planet Regnas.Action-Packed CombatIt doesn't matter if you'r...

Release Date

2024

▶ Play video

[turbid basalt]

im currently playing in JP right now

[pliant mauve]

Good for you. I'm going to be a good little boy and wait.

[tiny isle]

Gamers

[fierce wadi]

Bruh I live in Arkansas and lately it's felt like I live in a Rain Forest

Weather's been whacky lately

[viscid loom]

same in north texas. 100 degrees AND thunderstorms? cool

[fierce wadi]

dude it's nuts. I wonder if the earth's core stopping has something to do with it?

Idk I'm no proctologist

[viscid loom]

I hope so. Mega volcano when

[fierce wadi]

The sooner the butter

better

I'm hungry

[sour pasture]

hi gamer

[rugged kite]

Damn just fired up https://store.steampowered.com/app/1332100/Starship_Simulator/ to have a play with and it shows some definite promise.

Steam

Starship Simulator

Starship Simulator is a space exploration sandbox, where you serve as a crewmember aboard mankind's first experimental deep space exploration vessel. Your ship is tasked with the mission of exploring the galaxy beyond Sol to seek out habitable worlds, with standing orders to conduct science and make successful first contact with any alien specie...

Release Date

To be announced

▶ Play video

[silver briar]

London?

[low prawn]

Yes

[pliant mauve]

It will never compete with any current Space Sim game on the market, least of all Star Citizen. It looked okay, until I saw the planets and UI.

[exotic reef]

I don't think it's trying to, though

It absolutely seems to me like it's meant to be basically a star trek simulator, and honestly it looks like it could be a pretty good one

It looks ambitious and interesting, if nothing else

[rugged kite]

LOL No one said anything about it competing against anything. It looked interesting and shows promise is all, but I would say it exists in a significantly different space than any of the games most would assume it competes with.

[silver briar]

agree, how THIS can compete with anything?!!!?!?

without a doubt a masterpiece

[tulip token]

Reddish Brown / claret

[tulip token]

It’s just asset mix for me, shaders look like stock unity ones

[modest blaze]

my favourite role

[still violet]

Its very satifying when SC is less broken than other games. CP2077 has been broken since its 0.60 patch with and without mods...

[viscid loom]

Mannnn I don't know how I got suckered into buying WARNO. It's literally the same as its predecessors in all the wrong ways

[noble panther]

best role

[abstract pelican]

https://youtu.be/t1rOAMxSLVE

Its important to know the past.. to understand our future

[noble panther]

@vale moth

https://youtu.be/S2f5doGnqBc

your theme song 😄

"that's paradise" everytime u walk in

[vale moth]

Much appreciated. I'll play this very loudly wherever I go now 🙏

[noble panther]

beautiful

[waxen carbon]

does anyone know when the idris will be flyable

[umbral helm]

Next 10-15 years

If it isn’t locked in by CIG for the next patch, we have no clue. No one does. Not even leakers.

Perhaps its flyable soon™️ if they can complete SQ42, then you might be able to expect it in the shortest term of “next 5 years but only after server meshing”

But seeing as squadron probably has 5 more years of development itself….

[abstract pelican]

Don't be dramatic. Idris will be released after sq42 is done.

[abstract pelican]

Lol

[umbral helm]

SQ42 has been “nearly done” and in a polished state 3 times since 2015 lmao

[abstract pelican]

Exactly

[umbral helm]

I give it 3-5 more years tops. Definitely not releasing this year or the next.

[abstract pelican]

2 -3 years seems accurate

[abstract pelican]

With this said.. you could always Steal an idris. Its not impossible and you can feel the limited uses.

[mellow badge]

[umbral helm]

People have been saying this for 9 years l m f a o

I won’t be surprised when they delay it again in 3 years

[mellow badge]

it's never wrong tho

Squadron is always 2y away

in 2y it will be 2y away

and in 4y it will be 2y away

[umbral helm]

SQ42 Release Date = currentYear + 2

[mellow badge]

the Xiaco'tican will rise up from the depths of the Pacific to reclaim the Americas and it will still

be 2y away

[abstract pelican]

I think sq42 will release with nix

In 2 yrs

😄

[umbral helm]

oh yea we’ll get pyro AND nix in 2 years ya

[mellow badge]

real

[umbral helm]

Anyone here run primaris hellblasters in their 40K army? Building them n I don’t know what’s more useful.

Heavy plasma (left) assault plasma (right)

[fluid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-pool-chill-flamingo-gif-22586025

[onyx flint]

Nokia's remain superior

[pliant mauve]

Just a month and a couple days until our physical copies start getting shipped.

[mellow badge]

Im all digital im afraid

[pliant mauve]

If you got premium, you'll get to play the same day as us then. (Game Pass is "Day One" according to Todd. Which would be the 6th.) But we'll get our physical copies before the first of September, probably. Usually the case with big game releases.

[mellow badge]

Ofc I go premium

[pliant mauve]

I'm actually kind of glad they limited physical quantities pretty tightly, because it means they can ship them out easily.

And if they really wanted to, they can always produce more after release.

[mellow badge]

I figure since Early access is being sold as an upcharge the physical versions will be digitally locked

not like Zelda

[fluid anchor]

Imagine if the Aurora actually had a use. 😂 that would be funny, if they actually made it good at something other than being a size 9 torpedo

[tepid ocean]

It's use is a starter ship

[fluid anchor]

To give an intro to what happens if you die?

[tepid ocean]

This is #off-topic-not-sc btw

[simple mason]

no buggy space game here

[fluid anchor]

I know…

[tepid ocean]

So why talk SC in here

[exotic reef]

This is like, the one channel in this server thats not intended for discussion of buggy space game

[fluid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could-care-less-diagnosis-gif-23246946

[pliant mauve]

*couldn't

[fluid anchor]

No

[pliant mauve]

Yes. because if you "could" care less, it means you do actually care.

[fluid anchor]

No

[mellow badge]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-merriam-webster-hate-word-crimes-gif-8714472

[fluid anchor]

No

https://tenor.com/view/cat-could-not-care-less-i-dont-care-gif-26009123

Better?

[pliant mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[fluid anchor]

I could care less 😈

[simple mason]

that means you really care about how he feels about your grammar

[fluid anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

[simple mason]

i couldn't care less

[fluid anchor]

I could care more

[modest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-who-asked-gif-25054183

[wet current]

I could care fewer

[umbral helm]

I should care more 😔

[drifting pewter]

I could care some

[indigo badger]

I wish i could be capable of caring

[rugged lotus]

hey guys, im getting a new cpu, can anyone tell me the best Motherboard for Intel i9-13k?

[heady scaffold]

https://pcpartpicker.com/
This website is what I use. I recommend you look up the generation of CPU you have and then start browsing sites to see what they say regarding various motherboards

I find though that if someone tells you "just use X" they have a hidden motive. Modern Desktop hardware develops itself into niches that can be identified with enough time, and they all give features and capabilities you may want or may detest.

[mellow badge]

The "best" motherboard is significantly more than the CPU itself

what are you looking for?

[rugged lotus]

@mellow badge for gaming and multi task

[mellow badge]

And what is your budget

cuz they range from like 250-2 grand

[heady scaffold]

That's kind of vague, but aight

[mellow badge]

most boards will do gaming and multitask, that's moreso up to the chip

[heady scaffold]

Looks like average might be 300 USD, although sub 200 exist for that type

[mellow badge]

the boards are for:

USB amounts
Overclocking
RAM configs
Storage configs
that kinda shit

[heady scaffold]

RGB compatibility and WiFi too

[mellow badge]

As well as WiFi capabilities, or fitting your GPU etc etc

Soundcards stored on the board, some of the "mid" 4-500$ boards will boast a fuckton of features but have crappy sound because corners be cut

Are you a naughty naughty internet denizen that uses no lube antivirus and is prone to get a rootkit? Make sure you have a clear cmos button

[heady scaffold]

My poor hundred buck Tomahawk had quite nice sound til I fried it with EMI from my GPU :c

[mellow badge]

Same, I bought a Schiit Hel 2E for that reason

[heady scaffold]

That's a bit too deep imo

[mellow badge]

excellent purchase it was

Also, that's not really tomahawk specific I found out

Most boards nowadays aren't really equipped for the amount of EMI and general shite coming from the modern top end GPUs

[heady scaffold]

Basically, there is quite a variance in Motherboards... but at same time there isn't.

ATX is the usual form factor (size type) with Micro ATX and then ITX being progressively smaller. I do not recommend using either unless you know what you are doing

[mellow badge]

yeah, but just trying to paint a picture of what the motherboard offers

Yeah, they're all special but they're also all just a motherboard

I'd wager the performance difference between OC on a 400$ board and a 1400$ board is probably like...5%?

[heady scaffold]

Aye. I need to procure a new one in not so distant future. AM5 just came out and I don't plan on sticking with AM4 for my excessively purchased 7900 GPU

[mellow badge]

Not including the ungodly amount of damage you're going to do to an i9 if you run it at a high OC on a 1400$ board

AM5 still has some teething pains but it's fun

Sometimes it retrains my memory and I have a 40s BIOS

[heady scaffold]

eh, it'll be nice though to have some new future proofing

AMD was nice enough to allow the previous chips to be used for newer and older boards similarly

@rugged lotus If none of this helped, then take a gander at #sim-and-pc-hardware to see if they'd help further.

Commercial, Private, or Military @compact granite

[compact granite]

CLicked the wrong channel

[heady scaffold]

weak

Good luck though.

You'll need LASEC if you have glasses for Military, but once you get in deep with Private or Public flights you rake it in

[rugged lotus]

Thank you for all the info. I'm still pretty new to this, so I'm just trying to get a set up with i9 and use ddr5. Idk how to overclock and m.2 ssd. That's all that I can think off and know.

[mellow badge]

So, already

Z790 is the socket for intel 13th gen, and some Z790 boards will be marked "DDR4"

you will need to purchase the not those ones

M.2 sockets come standard nowadays, but you will need to decide how many sockets you will need

some come with 2 or 3, some come with 4-6

[drifting pewter]

its funny the mods only check normal channels

[lapis spear]

[mellow badge]

Mods are always watching, wazowski

[rugged lotus]

@mellow badge thnx for the info

[drifting pewter]

[mellow badge]

🫡
#sim-and-pc-hardware will know more about actual good motherboards than me

When i had a 13900k I used Aorus Z790 Extreme

bad motherboard, do not use

[drifting pewter]

still cant find it

[lapis spear]

True. Don't mean we know wtf we're reading tho.

[mellow badge]

It was actually a very intense political discourse

I'm surprised y'all let it slide

[fierce wadi]

shidded and farded

[heady scaffold]

meanwhile my first motherboard had but one, and I was happy

although I did get a 2.5" SSD as well

[drifting pewter]

POV the kid at the family party who saw you have a phone

[heady scaffold]

funny thing is that don't work anymore since even the kids got their own phones now

[drifting pewter]

im so old my memes are old

[heady scaffold]

don't worry; just call it "vintage"

or Nostalgia bait. w/e

People are litterally digging up memetic info from millenia past to joke on; El-Nasir (probably mispelled) is a good one

[drifting pewter]

so im relevant again

[heady scaffold]

maybe

[indigo badger]

Pov the dresser wasn’t restrained

[fierce wadi]

shidded

and

farded

[dense needle]

Meguel has been muted for 1h with detention.

Jul 17, 2023, 12:13 AM

[indigo badger]

[umbral helm]

Just got done doing a bunch of yard work. Feels good. I feel bad for Europeans tho bc they’ll never know how it feels to own a yard - all of them living in high rises and flats n such due to the plague rats and garden gnomes or whatever sort of animals life in Europe

Average European suburb (no lawns in sight)

[fierce wadi]

What's up chucklefucks

[flint scarab]

Why is my star citizen not launching lmaooo error code 19000. Says it can verify my login credentials help

[fierce wadi]

Prolly got banned

[flint scarab]

I’m like 2 days old bro

[fierce wadi]

speedrun

[indigo badger]

Lotsa people getting that error code not just you

[drifting pewter]

Salty af

[cedar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hk8Qp8dd0

Super intense episode.
A ton of allegations that also line up with current movements to untangle certain programs demestically. I highly recommend it and make your own opinion.

[mellow badge]

don't badmouth my beloved MIC

[fierce wadi]

wut?

[fierce wadi]

I wonder how many commemorative silver dollars I can fit in my ass

[lapis spear]

Ima up this by 2 days each time till I hit a limit

[strong plume]

anyone who want to do the guide thingy with me for the rewards?

[exotic reef]

#looking-for-session

[inland inlet]

Hey guys I have a chance this month to get either an LG C2 48” oled 120hz or a 4070ti, I’ve just bought upgrades to a R7 7800x3D, my current GPU is 2070super, I can get the other next month so which first quality or performance? Any help would be great, oh and the screen I’m on now is locked 60hz

[umbral helm]

4070ti n wait for microled monitors - I used a c2 48” as s monitor w/ a 2070 super, and even though it looked fine w/ games running in 1080p/1440p, the 2070 super isn’t gonna be great for it.

I will say games look better on medium + HDR on a OLED vs max + non HDR on a non OLEDD

[inland inlet]

I use a tv most of the time due to back issues and having to sit on a sofa

[umbral helm]

I feel you on the back issues. I will say the C2 48” is my current TV and I really enjoy it. It does struggle against sunlight tho

[inland inlet]

I’ve got the sunlight issue covered aha got a pretty dark gaming room

[umbral helm]

Yeah I mean I gamed on the c2 w/ a 2700x and 2070s no problem

Oh I will say you will need a usb c to hdmi 2.0 adapter

[inland inlet]

Someone has just suggested I look into the 7900xt or xtx over the 4070ti is that a good idea?

[umbral helm]

Yes absolutely

[inland inlet]

What for?

[umbral helm]

I went from 2070S to 6950XT, I don’t miss the nvidia exclusive feature.

[inland inlet]

Is the new AMD cards better than nvidia now?

[umbral helm]

Output of HDR @ 4K120hz

[umbral helm]

7900XTX is a better value than the 4070ti for performance

[inland inlet]

Could I get a link

[simple mason]

they are for value

[inland inlet]

What about performance

[umbral helm]

Cable Matters 48Gbps USB C to HDMI 2.1 Adapter Supporting 4K 120Hz and 8K 60Hz HDR - Thunderbolt 4 to HDMI 2.1 Adapter, HDMI 2.1 to USB C Adapter - Maximum Resolution on Mac is 4K@60Hz https://a.co/d/hGwcjYK this is what I used

[simple mason]

rtx4090 is the best performing but at almost every price point that you can get an amd card it will perform better

[inland inlet]

Is the xtx currently AMDs best card?

[simple mason]

the best amd card is the 7900 xtx which costs about 1k where i am while the 4090 is like 1.6k

[inland inlet]

Thankyou 🙂🙂

[simple mason]

i got a 6950 for about 650

[umbral helm]

4070ti and 7900xtx are pretty neck to neck, you lose RTX and DLSS but imho RTX is a gimmick and AMD FSR is very good vs DLSS

[simple mason]

nvidia have been focusing on ai more so gaming value is getting worse

[inland inlet]

If money wasn’t an option would you still take a 7900xtx over an RTX 4080-4090?

[umbral helm]

Not over a 4090

4080 yes I would choose a 7900XTX bc I’m red gang 💪💪💪

4090 is an actual giant jump in performance tho.

[inland inlet]

Red gang?

[umbral helm]

AMD = red, nvidia = green

[inland inlet]

Ahhh okay

[hoary prairie]

I got a 7950X + 7900 XTX and it works well, which is to be expected though.

[umbral helm]

There are performance benefits to choosing an AMD gpu and AMD CPU

[inland inlet]

I’m getting the 7800x3D

[hoary prairie]

I dont know specific GPU comparisons for SC though. Only the normal zoo of benchmarks

Yeah I'd go for that too for a gaming pc.

[inland inlet]

Ordered it today 🙂

Just deciding on what card to get cos I’m at a loss

[umbral helm]

Smart Access Memory isn’t available for AMD cpu and nvidia gpu, only a system with both AMD GPU/CPU. It’s a 10-15% performance boost in some titles

[inland inlet]

So if I were thinking 4070ti or 4080 go for the 7900xtx instead and if thinking about 4090 then go for that

[umbral helm]

Ya

4090 is if you want maximum powah

[inland inlet]

I want consistent 120fps ideally at max settings on most if not all my games

[hoary prairie]

wont happen in SC most of the time

[inland inlet]

Yeah but that’s SC 🤣 on about everything else

[umbral helm]

If you want 4K 120 FPS on the C2 yea 4090 is the way to go

[hoary prairie]

Just remember the RAM. Go for a minimum of 32 GB. That is a good set. Can go 64 GB but that isnt always needed, however for such a system the way to go imo.

[inland inlet]

Awesome Thankyou

[inland inlet]

Yeah getting 32gb DDR5 6000mhz

Will double it when I have more cash aha

[hoary prairie]

I went for 96 GB even and may upgrade to 192 GB even when I finally sit down on a free day and get GPU-P in HyperV running instead of gaming, so I can multibox soon 👀

So yeah so much of "not enough RAM" and SC. You can easily fill up 40-50 GB for the whole system when you have SC and a few other programs running. Sure a good chunk is just "reserved/inactive" and not actively in use, but still, you get what I mean :D

[viscid loom]

Holy shit, lottery is up to 900M
Somebody win it and buy CIG

[gleaming pasture]

@ionic wave https://www.lollaparis.com/

[ionic wave]

Oh music stuff

[umbral helm]

Ohhhh my wallet hurting this morning

[viscid loom]

the fuck currency is that

[ionic wave]

Nice try Dollars

Fro real ist new Taiwan dollars

1nt$ is 0.03us$

[viscid loom]

I thought they were on the Yuan or whatever china uses

@umbral helm you're taiwanese?

[ionic wave]

That is a expensive hobbies

[umbral helm]

No they just be having all the airsoft stuff

[viscid loom]

Man I remember 20 years ago I had to order all my shit from RedWolf in china

[umbral helm]

I figured I’ll never own a real m249

[viscid loom]

ALWAYS got held up in customs

[umbral helm]

Why not get an airsoft one that uses gas instead of sewing machine

[viscid loom]

I mean... you can get the Civ variant maybe

[ionic wave]

You where not too far ngl

[umbral helm]

Yeah I know bout that

[ionic wave]

Is this even legally ownable for a normal citizen

[viscid loom]

yes

[ionic wave]

[mellow badge]

pretty sure the tip just needs to be orange maybe

[viscid loom]

I think that's illegal

[ionic wave]

What orange tips do ?

[umbral helm]

It’s semi auto

[viscid loom]

signifies a fake weapon

[umbral helm]

What r u asking is legal the airsoft or the m249S

[ionic wave]

O I was thinking orange tips on bullet

[umbral helm]

M249S is semi auto only so it’s just a rifle

[ionic wave]

Oooo ok

[umbral helm]

The airshit is legal as well bc it’s airshit

[ionic wave]

No brrrrrt less fun

[viscid loom]

The ability to use STANAG mags or 100-200rd boxes....

[ionic wave]

I never tryed airsoft

[viscid loom]

the gas guns are fun

because BRRRRT

[ionic wave]

Air soft doesn’t sound soft tho

[umbral helm]

Yeah the gas m249 sounds better than an Aeg

I only use gas blowback airsoft stuff

[ionic wave]

Plastic ball are hard

[umbral helm]

Solely bc it sounds cooler

[ionic wave]

[umbral helm]

AEG probably better in every single way

[viscid loom]

most people will shrug off a shit ton of them before actually calling their hits

and a lot of arenas have engagement distance rules that nobody follows, like you can't mag dump people at point blank range

[ionic wave]

[mellow badge]

I want to discuss Starfield

[viscid loom]

I am ready

Let's discuss it

[ionic wave]

Solo game ewwww

[mellow badge]

I hope I can hijack the UEE Vigilance

[ionic wave]

🙃

[viscid loom]

knowing bethesda... probably not
Knowing modders, maybe

[mellow badge]

But big ship

also, yeah not buying for a second that it'll be as mod friendly as skyrim

probably going to come baked in with creation club 3.0 and mod purchase credits

[ionic wave]

Sound like editor greeed again

[viscid loom]

Bethesda is will never be anywhere near as bad as Paradox though, holy shit

[ionic wave]

lately it look like Big editor does care that much about the quality of the game and just want to milk us dry

Hey Swys

[exotic reef]

Creator Club makes me want to put an IED in Todd Howard's mailbox

[ionic wave]

I’m off topic in the good Channel today

[mellow badge]

Yeah, no way they dont try something scummy

After trying with Skyrim and getting shot down

then again with FO4

[exotic reef]

Then again with Skyrim again

[mellow badge]

I think they realize it's because they gave players freedom then took it away

[exotic reef]

It actually worked that time, paid mods exist now

[mellow badge]

this time they'll just give it heavily restricted, then loosen up the restrictions due to backlash

https://tenor.com/view/i-guarantee-it-gif-4634339

[simple mason]

creator club was only good when it had free stuff

[mellow badge]

But the restrictions will still be restrictions

[viscid loom]

FO4 mods are the best. I added all kinds of shit like real-world weapons and armor.
Made the game actually fun

[exotic reef]

I hope Bethesda has realised now that people only love their games as much as they do because of mods

They would be nowhere near so beloved without them

[simple mason]

i had to use mods to get fo4 to work with ultrawide

[mellow badge]

They have

and will try to monetize it

[exotic reef]

Yeah, they will

[mellow badge]

I guarantee there's going to be something fucky

[exotic reef]

The community fought them the first few times

Then creator club was just

[mellow badge]

like, the pre-ordering bonus is a fucking skin pack

[ionic wave]

SMH imagine selling content made by the community

[exotic reef]

Allowed to exist apparently

deemer

[ionic wave]

It’s not fully made by community

[exotic reef]

I know it's just a community design

[simple mason]

didnt they work with the designers?

[ionic wave]

Yeah but idk feel ok when it’s just a comunity design

[exotic reef]

I wasn't here when it happened so maybe

[simple mason]

me neither but i think i heard something about it

[exotic reef]

Oh yeah, the redeemer is in no way comparable to paid mods I was just joking around

[mellow badge]

I'm waiting to see what the BS is

Will it be: modders encouraged to charge for mods, simple as?

[exotic reef]

Creation club out the ass, day 1 DLC, season pass

[mellow badge]

or will it be: full modding suite only avaliable if you charge for mods/sign up for CC

I think it'll be the second one

[ionic wave]

Season pass on a solo game

[exotic reef]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to lock modding behind the CC

[viscid loom]

@umbral helm how would you make this gradient less shitty

[mellow badge]

They technically didnt lie on reveal when they said modders paradise

[exotic reef]

They did it with FO4

[umbral helm]

Gonna have to do glazing but tbh it looks fine to me. You already have great transitions between the colors

[mellow badge]

i think this will be the case, and theyll give the excuse that CC lets them port mods to console for a uniform experience

[exotic reef]

Which will hamstring the PC mod community because no SFSE

[mellow badge]

and people are gonna be

[umbral helm]

I think that’s great for tabletop, definitely above average / better than tabletop standard

[mellow badge]

Eyuuuup

[viscid loom]

My lahman medium did not remove the gloss 🥲

[umbral helm]

Try painting over a matte finish

Should kill the gloss

[viscid loom]

instead of painting the metal color first?

just primed?

[mellow badge]

Something bullshit is gonna happen, im sure of it

so far, an SP game with only skin MTX? Seems too good to be true

Or maybe it'll just be the usual dogshit optimization

[exotic reef]

I reckon they're gonna pull some bullshit

[ionic wave]

How to milk you more

[exotic reef]

Day one DLC, season pass, creation club out the ass, skin mtx, and I bet there's some bullshit they'll surprise us with on launch too

[simple mason]

at the bare minimum the performance will be bad

[exotic reef]

Solid odds we see framerate bound physics again too

I don't trust em not to unfix that one from fo4

[ionic wave]

[indigo badger]

Even if it’s a mid game Bethesda is still gonna make bank just from all of its diehard fans

All they needed was that one gameplay trailer

[simple mason]

i feel like less people said shit like god howard after f76

fanbase is definitely still there

[indigo badger]

I say it ironically at this point

I don’t think I ever fully enjoyed a Bethesda made game, I was too late to the show for fo3/fonv, only having played fo4

Doom was super good but that was Bethesda publishing

[simple mason]

doom is id right?

[indigo badger]

Yeah

Bethesda’s name is on the credits so I’ve heard people say it’s a Bethesda game

[simple mason]

and they made Wolfenstein

[indigo badger]

Ye

[simple mason]

i hope they dont release another fallout game for a while

[indigo badger]

I thought the pattern was they alternate between fallouts and elder scrolls

[modest blaze]

that's only true if you count skyrim SE as its own game

[mellow badge]

Gta VI when

[indigo badger]

Lmao I fully do not care about gta 6

[mellow badge]

I think that game's gonna slap unnecessarily hard and also force me upgrade my PC again

[indigo badger]

When they announced they were pulling back on the caricature of American culture that made the 5th game what it was today I’m like “cool save me some money”

[exotic reef]

Bethesda is a publisher and a developer

They published Doom and Wolfenstein but they deserve no credit for them

[modest blaze]

this time with shark cards that you buy from an actual store in game

[mellow badge]

???

[exotic reef]

Wait what what do you mean?

[mellow badge]

I hope they keep their weird peer to peer to server MP so i can hack in billions againn

[modest blaze]

as well as the dishonored series

[unkempt viper]

Rockstar has provided very little reasons why their next installment of GTA will not also cement itself as one of the greatest developed titles of all time. Just like 3 and above.
San Andreas re-release was a shameless, poor quality port sure but they care so much more for landmark releases.

[indigo badger]

Nvm I read a story that someone reported that they were gonna dial back the offensiveness of the gta series with the 6th installment but looks like that was only a rumor

[unkempt viper]

Predatory prices on their online game mode does not reflect their ability to provide historic game development overall.

[indigo badger]

I remember reading a supposed quote that said something along the lines of “the current America political climate is already a caricature of itself so we don’t want to contribute to it” or something similar

[exotic reef]

It'll be a good game it'll just be shitty on additional monetisation because T2 are greedy little fuckbuckets

[indigo badger]

gta+, separating next gen from current gen, REMOVING HALF OF THE CARS IN ONLINE FROM THE STORES

[simple mason]

t2 throw around lawsuits like crazy

[exotic reef]

Just like GTA V/O was and just like RDR2 tried to be before they realised that whales care way more about sci-fi bullshit than anything western themed

[exotic reef]

This is why I uninstalled it

Unforgivable to just cravenly wrench out content like that and paywall it

[indigo badger]

I was like bro I’m glad I got the faggio mod and the cheburek because I’d be fucked now

[exotic reef]

A real new low for those greasebag scum

[unkempt viper]

Knowing, like all GTA's since SA, that there will be a fully functional modded multiplayer experience curated outside of heavily monetized Online play which is generally avoidable is enough for me

[indigo badger]

Mfers tryna drip feed cars that were already released

Also doubling the price of the mk2 lmao

Like that’s gonna help anything

[mellow badge]

I wonder if they're gonna try to crackdown on fiveM/RP type modes to add their own

[indigo badger]

I got good memories of that game tho, still got my full PRB garage

[unkempt viper]

Unless they curate the mode to serve the same function, which would cut into their own profits, they wont.

[indigo badger]

The Zion classic with the PRB body pillow in the back is my favorite

[mellow badge]

the mode existing as it does now cuts their profits

[exotic reef]

If they do I will fucking

do nothing because I am ultimately powerless to do anything about the abusive behaviours of videogame corporations

[mellow badge]

or maybe theyd just acquire fiveM and hit anyone else with boundless C&Da

[simple mason]

no pipe bomb?

[indigo badger]

Calm down Ted

[exotic reef]

I'm not sure it does

I think those people would just

Not play GTAO

[simple mason]

there was a streamer that said he would drive through his isp headquarters and got banned

[unkempt viper]

Before fivem it was ragemp, before that SAMP. No matter how many cease desists they send, on a long enough time scale the community prevails. Literally 20 years of that active external development

[indigo badger]

I’m just floored that gta rp is one of the top streamed games currently, like when did gta become popular again

[exotic reef]

Since the VI leaks

[indigo badger]

Pokemon romhacks be like

[unkempt viper]

Yeah exactly.

It was absolutely idiotic for GTA5 not to include the same online tools and features to create the gamemodes people are wanting to play. I was shellshocked then but over time it proved to be a marketing/financial decision, I anticipate the same for 6

[exotic reef]

I hope someone makes a GTA competitor that isn't owned by a shitty moneygrubbing corpo shitheel

I want GTA to get Battlebit'd

[indigo badger]

saints row

Also Minecraft had a gta mod server that actually got cease and desisted

RIP grand theft minecart

[exotic reef]

Saints Row could have been it but then they Saints Row 3 & 4'd and the remake/reboot/rewhateverthefuck was not well received

[umbral helm]

Saints row 3 wasn’t terrible imho but 4 and beyond were so fucked

Saints row 3 just didn’t compete with GTA and it needed to

[compact granite]

Saints row was a good series until it leaned a little too hard on the scifi aspects

[indigo badger]

Saints row and duke nukem were both such good series that just hardcore flopped

[exotic reef]

Well Nuke Dukem got development hell'd for 15 years and then sucked when it came out

Be keen to see a reboot though

[mellow badge]

saints row 4

[umbral helm]

😩🤤

Breakfast is served

[clever bison]

I am tired of holding my peace, I am going to say it!
The Bene Gesserit, are way fucking cooler than Jedi

[exotic reef]

I don't agree but I respect the opinion

[indigo badger]

The who what

[exotic reef]

The Bene Gesserit from Dune

[compact granite]

I tried to watch Dune

[exotic reef]

Eugenicist space nuns

[compact granite]

Not my thing

[exotic reef]

Read it if you can, its a good read

Haven't seen the films

[compact granite]

I only like audio books and havent listened to them since I stopped commuting

[exotic reef]

I also only like audiobooks

[umbral helm]

Based non book reader

[exotic reef]

The Dune one is quite good

[umbral helm]

Books are for stupid heads

[exotic reef]

But if you don't listen to em anymore that's fair

[clever bison]

The voice, complete control over their bodies, and minds.
Subverting every culture as advisers and missionaries for hundreds of years, all with this plan to create the perfect being. Creating mythos and prophecy in those cultures so they have control over religious beliefs by prophecy that they started in the first place. It's just badass.

[compact granite]

The best audio book is World War Z

[clever bison]

They don't have the moral high ground that the jedi have, but they have some damn cool stuff going on

[compact granite]

Amazing voice acting

[umbral helm]

Yet they lost to Timothy chalamet

[indigo badger]

The jedi use child soldiers

[umbral helm]

Now that is bad ass.

[exotic reef]

The Bene Geserit are a lot more morally dubious than the Jedi

Personally I just like the more martial and spiritual feel of the Jedi

[mellow badge]

I listened to this at work, incredible

[clever bison]

He is space boy twink wonder. how couldn't you lose. It was written, and foretold. It just didn't go exactly as how the bene geserit wanted. But it totally upended the empire

[mellow badge]

Battle of Yonkers chapter 11/10

[exotic reef]

I like the space warrior-monk vibe more than the subterfuge-y eugenics vibe

But they are undeniably very cool

[clever bison]

Oh I get it, I would still rather be a Jedi, but the mythos and power that these groups of women have, is awesome.

[umbral helm]

I would like the bene gesserat more if they were big strong dudes with big muscles maybe just wearing speedo and instead of the voice they just flexed on people and mind controlled them with big bad muscles oiled up to the max so slippery that they can slip into someone’s mind with their muscles

Call them the bene flexerat

[mellow badge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-he-mean-by-this-dove-gif-21002811

[clever bison]

Bene Chadserit

[compact granite]

World War Z the movie was disappointing compared to the book. The only good thing about the movie was the Philadelphia scene

Imagine if they made World War Z as a Tom Clancy style movie instead

[clever bison]

the movie was forgettable other than the CIG for zombie crowds

[mellow badge]

the book was awesome though

Fav chapter probably the ||chinese submarine||

actually idk, so many good chapters

[clever bison]

Man I thought I was really going to rile up some nerds with space warrior monks vs space nuns

[compact granite]

I like how the book referenced Land Warrior and even brought up legit flaws with it

[mellow badge]

I like how the book painted a really believable descent into completely fucked

but also an equally believable return from fucked

[indigo badger]

Just gib me 40k chaos marines at that point

[clever bison]

The 40k lore is so brutal, and how incredibly powerful a space marine is compared to a normal person

[mellow badge]

brutal bloated*

[clever bison]

That is probly true, but nerds back in the day liked to read, and the more to read the more books there were to buy.

[tepid ocean]

https://youtu.be/fmPsQcuHUMM?t=30

what on earth is that matthew

[unkempt viper]

He means Bunnyhop, Igor, Sir Baudelaire himself is goated, obviously.

[indigo badger]

Boltgun is such a fun installment to the 40k game universe

[scenic field]

I just discovered Foundry for TTRPGs btw if y’all havnt used it it’s such a perfect tool, makes Roll20 look like shit

[fierce hare]

The TLdR of it is 5th is only popular atm due to Critical Role, not cause its a decent sysytem

[exotic reef]

5e has its flaws, but so does every edition

[fierce hare]

Only one i ise online. Bought it waaayyy back in its alpha

[scenic field]

And dnd being popular in pop culture now and it being the newest edition

[remote mesa]

@scenic field @fierce hare

4th became far too unwieldy at high levels and it took away the unique aspects of classes by having everyone use fundamentally the same abilities just with different flavor text

[compact granite]

I need lunch

[scenic field]

It’s just way to basic

[fierce hare]

Ya it does but 5th has way more issues than 3.5

[exotic reef]

3.5 is too bloated and crufty for me, 4e doesn't support dungeon crawls

[fierce hare]

Wat? Yes it does

[remote mesa]

No, it's popular now because it's the only one currently being supported/printed

[scenic field]

Nah the difference between classes in 4e is 1000x greater than in 5e where every class I just “I use my basic attack again”

[compact granite]

Do I want Chipotle?

[foggy socket]

I want mucho burrito

[fierce hare]

Which it wouldnt be anywhere near as popular as PF or earlier versions if not for CritRole

[viscid loom]

Just a tortilla filled with entirely too much sour cream for me, thx

[exotic reef]

In that you can technically do a dungeon crawl, sure, but tonally it just isn't consistent with the original spirit of a dungeon crawl the way OSR games, for example, do

[fierce hare]

This

[remote mesa]

The only class that just uses their basic attack and that's it is the champion fighter, everyone else has interesting things to do.

The biggest issue with 4e is how it destroyed the variety and depth of the magic system

[exotic reef]

Light tracking, food, water, all that survival shit is basically not there in 4e from what I've seen

4e Monster Manual goes hard though

[compact granite]

sour cream, cheese, and that corn salsa only plz

[fierce hare]

ADD and 4th are the only ones where build differences and skills truly matter. Actually allowing for the crawls.

[scenic field]

Wym it has way way more variety than 5e could ever dream of. You are so restricted in 5e it feels like you are playing a level 1 toon the entire time

[fierce hare]

Naw its there. Even more detailed than in 3.5 but most dont use it cause “too hard”

[scenic field]

Nope, all that is there

[exotic reef]

Personally I have to homebrew the shit out of 5e to make it what I want, but no other system actually gets close to being what I want either

[exotic reef]

Loot is also way less of a big deal, which is a buzzkill for me

[fierce hare]

Its eother cantrips or basic attacks in 5e. As for the magic system 4th switched to a full action economy with a vancian cover.

[remote mesa]

It's not real variety, it's just doing the work for you to flavor your attacks.

As for magic, how does it have more variety? Casters in real D&d versions can have dozens of spells available to them, in 4E you just get a handful of abilities

And at high levels 4E was just awful, you needed an instruction manual to play your character

[scenic field]

I’m doing a dark Sun campaign right now where all that stuff I hardcore tracked

[unkempt viper]

5e benefits from magic itemization greater than previous versions. If your DM isn't dolling them out you're going to have a lackluster time until you get higher levels

[scenic field]

A handful? You get pages and pages

[remote mesa]

Of which you can only pick a handful

[fierce hare]

In what 4th? Thats my biggest complaint. Its like diablo with the requirement of items to flesh out some builds (ie some slayer and skald builds)

[scenic field]

4e has even more impactful magic items on top of having impactful powers already, win win

[scenic field]

No you can have all the pages wdym

[remote mesa]

Not every ability needs to have two paragraphs of descriptions. Sometimes bashing someone upside the head is just bashing someone upside the head, you don't need three different side effects from that "ability"

[fierce hare]

So like every other dnd release outside of 5? For the manual part. 5e mechanically is the worst dnd release thus far. One is looking to take that crown

[remote mesa]

... No? You have to choose which abilities you got at level up, you don't get them all

[scenic field]

There’s plenty of abilities that are basic

[exotic reef]

Yeah in 4th. I really like seeing a a character's actual achievements reflected in their sheet and loot is a really fun way to do that

[scenic field]

I’m not talking about that, I’m saying a high level caster has pages of abilities

[fierce hare]

Which is a problem. Youre building around items instead of a character. And 5e fucks your skills no matter if youre trained in them or not and requires the dm to fluff around them

[remote mesa]

None of them are basic, they all have side effects

One of the players at my d&d 4 table would spend like 5 minutes reading all their abilities every time their turn came around and then just go "uhhhh, I'll twin strike I guess"

[fierce hare]

4th has way more magic items than 5th due to their need to finish builds and paths. Pretty much 4th level +

[scenic field]

I’ll send you my character sheet right now and you can see, it’s extremely basic abilities for the most part

[remote mesa]

Which is still much more limited than 5e or 3.5 or whatever where a high level caster has the whole book

[unkempt viper]

As a tiefling warlock, who was bestowed a flying broom to Eldritch blast like an orbital cannon from atmo, it was enjoyable for me

[fierce hare]

Thats just an unknowledgeable player though sadly. And thats 90% of 5th players

[remote mesa]

But 5th makes it much easier for people like that because they don't have pages and pages of abilities to try to comprehend

[fierce hare]

What?

[remote mesa]

Sure, a high level caster gets pages of abilities but so does everyone in 4e

[fierce hare]

Which is fine from a business position cause it allows for more new players with a smaller, if any, learning curve. It just doesnt make the system immediately great or good as a whole though.

[scenic field]

This is extremely basic stuff, nothing complicated at all

[fierce hare]

Which is what made it decent compared to 5 or 3.5. Every player had choices and you didnt see the exact same builds at every table like in 5th.

[remote mesa]

Sure, but for more experienced players it makes the role playing part of it better since you have more room for your own whatever instead of having the system define that for you

[fierce hare]

Only reason critrole swotched was money. They all enjoyed PF better

[scenic field]

except 4th has like a bazillion options for you to choose so you can define yourself

[remote mesa]

PF is just 3.5e which is basically the same as 5E

[exotic reef]

That is just not true at all

[remote mesa]

Except with decades of awful and OP books

[fierce hare]

Not in 5th. Atleast without heavy DM handling skills and etc. skill checks are pretty much non existent at most tables cause the DM has to fudge it all…. Everytime. If they use the default rules that is

[exotic reef]

3.5e is not basically the same as 5e

[scenic field]

3.5>5

[remote mesa]

I think you're on too much MJ, your math is bad

[fierce hare]

PF/3.5 and 5th ed are like trying to compare a fine dining establishment to a McDonalds mate

[scenic field]

i used to be a paid DM by wizards of the coast, i actually play tested DnD NEXT before it got turned into 5th and i also play tested 5th and was sending in tons of feedback to wizards about it, all negative of course as i hated it

[exotic reef]

I tried to look at PF2e but it's just too crunchy for what I want

[remote mesa]

And in that analogy, 4E is a buffet

[fierce wadi]

Lmao I saw people talking about it being hard to get people into destiny 2, Oh I checked how much it would cost at cheapest itd cost over 400 dollars for the full d2 game which makes it so hard to get new people into it. it felt like nothing because I paid over the course of years

someones reply- FR I pay only $100 a year such a small amount but its hard when its all at once

Lmao as if spending $100 a year vs all at once would make it any more enticing lol

also hi

[remote mesa]

Just like master modes eh?

"Oh, this is too easy, I don't want noobs being able to join my exclusive hobby"

[scenic field]

YES

[fierce hare]

Wait what? How so? Thats the exact oppisite of what it was. Unless im misunderstanding what you meant.

[scenic field]

fucking casuals as mother fuckers ruining all my hobbies!!!!

[fierce hare]

Hey Me too!! Ive still got my card somewhere around here!

[exotic reef]

The simplifications it makes compared to PF1 are cool but there's elements of PF2e that I'm just on

[scenic field]

haha nice im sure mines somewhere

[exotic reef]

It's been a while since I read the book so I can't think of any examples but there are parts that are just too annoying for me to want to deal with

[fierce hare]

Dont get me wrong, 5th was good for WOTC and DND but horrible for the TTRPG Landscape as a whole.

[scenic field]

doesnt 5th edition not even use minions or bloodies, 2 of the best mechanics to come out of 4e

[fierce hare]

Not minions perse, but it still has some bloodied mechanics if they use alternative rulings

[exotic reef]

Yeah they threw the baby out with the bathwater on a lot of stuff with 4e from all the nerdrage about it

[remote mesa]

My other issue with 4E was the power creep that happened in the later books they published. At least with 5E if you want to be something from the normal PHB that's still viable, but in 4E if you didn't have the later book options you might as well not bother

[scenic field]

this is just untrue

[fierce hare]

Ya the good strides they made with 4th ed they threw away. Then CritRole and others help assuage that some but it still didnt fully overwrite them.

[exotic reef]

4e did some stuff that I really enjoy and I'd love to play it some day (no digital tools makes that difficult tho)

[remote mesa]

Minions are something that a DM can easily introduce

Bloodied, ehhh

[exotic reef]

4e's monster manual was 🔥

[remote mesa]

Orly

Compare the PHB versions to the "Heroes of the blah blah" versions. Power creep

[fierce hare]

Thats def not what happened. Unless the DM that ran the stuff for you purposly did it. Some of the later books actually made some of the OG builds even stronger than say.... the one skald build which was hands down more broken than the current Pally/lock munchkining. Even without min maxing lol

[remote mesa]

Exactly, you needed to get the later books in order to be strong enough

[fierce hare]

Youre first line right there is the biggest problem with 5th. The DM has to homebrew way to much to make the game(s) decent.

[scenic field]

most of the classes i play come out of the first PHB and my toons always destroy

[fierce hare]

You misread what I put. The OG Builds were never pushed down upon power wise. Unlike 3.5 and Def 5th ed.

I mean how long did it take them to fix, in writing, the ranger?

Or the Druid?

[remote mesa]

We don't talk about rangers

Druids are fine

[fierce hare]

Ya now.

[exotic reef]

This is definitely my experience, but that's just because I like my game slightly crunchier than 5e but not quite as crunchy as PF2e

[fierce hare]

Hell Baldesingers were fucking broken for a long time and were delayed 4 times lol.

[remote mesa]

Druids have always been fine

There is no war in Ba Sing Se Baldur's Gate

[exotic reef]

Druids have always been pretty good from what I've seen tbf

[scenic field]

i made a broken bladesinger years ago in 4e and ive been trying to remember how i did it for years but i cant figure it out, unless they erratad something that made my build not possible

[exotic reef]

Rangers though

Boy did they drop the ball on rangers

[fierce hare]

I think you need to be put with someone who knows PF2e lol. Its no where near as crunchy as most others. One of the reasons I honestly prefer it over some of the others out there. Good math base, Good Mechanics base, and if I want to change stuff its easy to without having to redo 12 other things like with 5th Ed.

[remote mesa]

Sad part about druids is that Moon circle isn't in the SRD so Solasta doesn't get that, there's no wild shape based circle in Solasta

[fierce hare]

Naw druids were incredibly lacklust except Ciricle of the Moon? Or there was one other Circle which was the only one viable for a while.

[exotic reef]

Maybe it is just that I haven't played PF2e; I do struggle with learning game mechanics without playing them

[remote mesa]

I'm sorry I can't hear you because you're covered in webs because I'm a giant spider

[fierce hare]

If you ever wanna walk through or help with it just hmu. Been trying to plan a nice more "realistic" campaign but its incredibly hard to find people. And since im moving in Sept to a place with shite internet ive kinda put a hold on it lol

[exotic reef]

Every class in 5e has one subclass where wotc dropped the ball

[fierce hare]

"one" kek

[exotic reef]

At least one, anyway

[fierce hare]

Ya

[remote mesa]

Isn't there a meme for that? The three headed dragon with one derpy one

Perfectly applies

[fierce hare]

5th Ed fucked with Action Economy too much, and they completly shat on skills.

Its back to 3.5 where you either have a combat effective character or a social effective character with the standard rules and without DM Manipulation and changes.

[exotic reef]

Four Elements monk, Beast master Ranger, Purple Dragon Knight or whatever the fuck they generified that to (cavalier?), Etc

[fierce hare]

Thats one thing that made the Matts so successful. Both are damn good at hand wavium, as well as doing it on the fly.

[remote mesa]

Be a bard, paladin, warlock, or sorcerer and you can easily be both social and combat

[remote mesa]

4 elements monk is a travesty

[exotic reef]

I want to be like Colville when I grow up

[fierce hare]

Lol no you cant. Bard pushing hard on performance? Ohhhh you at this show and youre level 20 and supposed to be one the best dancers in the world, sorry your skill rating is still too low to not roll failures on more than half the rolls lol

[exotic reef]

I mean, not bearded or a man, but otherwise like Colville

[fierce hare]

You know MCC is here right? Dude hangs out and speaks up once in a blue moon.

[remote mesa]

Wat

I mean, sure, if the bard hasn't been putting points into performance, of course he's going to fail high level, that's their own decision

[scenic field]

So just all the classes that use CHA lmao

[exotic reef]

He's how I found out SC was actually playable after hearing about it in like 2014

Never seen him in this server though, that's neat

[remote mesa]

Yes, if you want social-ness, be a class that benefits from cha. Obviously

[fierce hare]

Naw even with pushing it. One of my biggest personal upsets in 5th ed was playing a Cleric that literally, per the rules, went to school about Hunting Demons and such. Get to one, cant tell people its name cause even though I rolled an 18 the "dc" was like 28 or some shit. Even though in the world its one fo the most widly known baddies during innastrad lol.

[scenic field]

I had plenty of strong men who knew how to use that Intimidation with no CHA, not really do able in 5th

[remote mesa]

If the DM is setting the DC too high, that's the DM's fault

5e using bounded accuracy means that the DC shouldn't be that high

[exotic reef]

It is absolutely doable, you can switch the attribute skill checks get made with

[fierce hare]

Oh you build a character around persuasion?? Welp better hope you get a nat 20 or 18+ on almost every role or youll never be able to use it.

[exotic reef]

In this case, it would be Intimidation (Str)

[remote mesa]

Again, this is the DM failing to set the DCs correctly

[exotic reef]

Technically that's a variant rule but I don't know anyone that doesn't use it

[scenic field]

Real rules only at my table

[fierce hare]

Thats based on the Books. Doing the Take 10 makes it even worse in most occasions which is WHY the dm has to step in and edit it. Where they shouldnt have to step in on something that simple. PF2es skill system is much MUCH better comparativly.

[exotic reef]

My sibling in Bahamut, the variant rules are literally in the DMG

They're just optional

[scenic field]

No handicap

[fierce hare]

No, thats the system mechanics at default. Which is -the- problem I have with 5th ed. Requires Way WAY to much homebrewing to be decent.

[scenic field]

Dark sun campaign only. All will suffer

[fierce hare]

Dark Suns great but I gotta have a character that would fit it. The main ones I enjoy playing right now just wouldnt work in it lol.

[remote mesa]

It doesn't require home brewing at all, it requires DMs to understand how bounded accuracy works

The DC to identify a common demon type should not have been 28

[scenic field]

I’m playing a wild dwarf warden in the one I’m in

[exotic reef]

Gotta agree with Chris on this one, that DC was way too high

[fierce hare]

Yessss and even then most still FAIL in things they have to roll for and still have to roll for some shit that should be common knowledge for them. Per RAW

[fierce hare]

Again, per the Books it was higher than it should be.

[remote mesa]

I'm sure that you remember everything you learned in college

[scenic field]

Schools for fools

[fierce hare]

Not common knowledge stuff.

Take for example a Paladin. If the group goes up against a Vampire most Paladin paths would KNOW its a vampire based on its aura/etc. Nope, gotta roll for it.

Where as 4th Ed, Pf2, and others a lot of that shit is given cause youve already surpassed the knowledge level "requirement" for it.

[scenic field]

Hey my Vryloka has taken huge steps to ensure his secret is safe

[exotic reef]

You don't actually have to roll for that, that's not a rule I'm aware of

[fierce hare]

As a reborn Its tough getting around some NPC Paladins lol.

[remote mesa]

Fairly certain monster knowledge check DCs never had a RAW value specified

[exotic reef]

Certainly it's one I wouldnt call for a roll for

[fierce hare]

Depends on if the DM is heavy handed on RAW based on beast knowledge etc.

[scenic field]

“Someone smell that? Smells like death.”

[fierce hare]

Requires either Religion or Nature 15+ for most vamps

So even if you train for it theres <50% chance youll fail and not "know" it

[exotic reef]

Gonna need a source on these rules, these don't sound real

[fierce hare]

MM

[remote mesa]

Even experts make mistakes sometimes

[fierce hare]

Van Helsing would not mistake a methhead for a vamp lol

[exotic reef]

Somewhere in MM it says that monsters have DCs for knowledge?

[scenic field]

But back to 4e vs 5e, in 4e, my character feels like an actual hero that can slay demons and bring down dragons. In 5e it feels like we are all a bunch of peasants hoping and praying for a good roll

[exotic reef]

Looking it up rq

[fierce hare]

For things like racials, hp, stats, etc ya.

Might be more specific in DMG I havent played 5th ed in 4-5+ years

[remote mesa]

Turns out you don't need accurate identification to know that a stake through the heart will work

[fierce hare]

Which isnt the point for the skills in 5th Ed are shite topic

[fierce hare]

EMF put an example of one of them

[remote mesa]

All of that assumes it's been identified as a lizard folk so that's presumably less than 15 dc

[fierce hare]

Shouldnt have to roll for that lol

[scenic field]

Not necessarily. Could roll to try and figure out what it is.

[fierce hare]

That'd be like trying to roll to figure out if a white guys white.

[scenic field]

Less than 15 “idk some monster let’s kill it”

[fierce hare]

Now figuring out what type of lizard folk it is sure.

[exotic reef]

That's not a 5e book

[fierce hare]

One thing that I really like about PF2e.

[exotic reef]

I just looked it up in the 5e MM, there's no rule for knowledge checks at all

[fierce hare]

Is it not?

[exotic reef]

No, that looks like 4e to me

From the fonts and stat blocks

[scenic field]

That’s just 5e being less fleshed out then

[exotic reef]

I prefer knowledge checks to be ruled on the fly anyway personally, I don't think you actually need a rule for that

[fierce hare]

PHB 177-178 is part of it, goes into deeper detail in DMG. I was wrong about it being in the MM. My apologies on that one

[remote mesa]

For something easy like that, DM should set the DC to 10, and a character who has any points in the relevant knowledge skill won't fail

[exotic reef]

Checking rq

[scenic field]

More lore more better I always say, unless we are talking hand tying Star citizen lore

[fierce hare]

But yet again, requires the DM to do the Take 10 instead of standard system. Something like that shouldnt be a variant.

[remote mesa]

No? That's not take 10, that's just how it works. Anyone with a +9 or more can't fail a DC10

[fierce hare]

Oh, I read the "DM Should set the DC to 10" as using hte take 10.

[exotic reef]

Just checked that area of the PHB, nothing I could see

Looked like the right section

[fierce hare]

Again though its one of hte reasons why i personally enjoyu the PF2e way of doing it. Its in stages, Depending on if your Trained, Expert, Master, etc.

[exotic reef]

Maybe it is just in the DMG

(fucking stupid how these books are arranged tbh)

The PF way of two books, one for Game Rules and one for Monsters, is way more usable

[remote mesa]

Oh god and the index is the worst

[fierce hare]

Unless it was removed from the "newer" PHB's which is common with 5th ed (yet again stupid) its in the bit about Intelligence checks.

Thats one thing thats keeping me away from "One." A Drow shouldnt get the same ability score benifiets as a dwarf or etc. Fuggin stupid

[remote mesa]

Racist

Obviously a size tiny fairy should be able to be as strong as a size large goliath

[exotic reef]

Yeah, don't see it in the DMG either

[fierce hare]

Something i honestly dont get. I mean someone whose born in the northern US is gonna be more adaptable and used to the cold than someone born in florida. Same thing

[exotic reef]

Must have been errata'd out or something

[scenic field]

I made one of these once, it was unstoppable

[exotic reef]

The removal of racial stats in One is dumb as hell

Different physiologies behave differently

[fierce hare]

Doesn’t surprise me they are errating most of what made DnD… DnD

[exotic reef]

Fantasy peoples should not just be different flavoured humans in these games, they should actually have different traits

[fierce hare]

Shit theyre gonna have to completly redo the moon sea lore cause of all the slavery bits lol

[scenic field]

Making it essentially just flavor is ridiculous

[fierce hare]

Yep

[remote mesa]

It's still there

"inhabitants of those planes"

[exotic reef]

Oh yeah I'm an elf but you can't tell because I behave and think and have the exact same fucking stats as a human

[remote mesa]

Why are you upside down wtf

[scenic field]

Idk why modern stuff have this weird thing about pretending slavery isn’t a thing

[exotic reef]

Shareholders

[scenic field]

Of course

[fierce hare]

You pulled a me and had the phone upside down with auto rotate on lol

[exotic reef]

Slavery is controversial and controversial means less money let's sanitise the shit out of everything instead

The D in D&D stands for Disneyland lets gooo

[fierce hare]

Pop cultre and the court if public opinion

[remote mesa]

Wdym, it's always been "Boba Fett's Firespray" and has never had any other names

[remote mesa]

Rofl

[exotic reef]

Nooooo we can't put "Slave I" on a lego box, people might not buy it

[fierce hare]

Its the whole orc/drow debate all over again though. THose races have always been "evil" sure theres more offshoots with decent orcs over drow but theres 0 reason unless the world setting states otherwise why Faerun Drow shouldnt be murdering fucking evil assholes in general. But if someone tries to do that with orcs or drow the whole racist card is thrown up and about how wrong it is lol.

But ill digress about going into that deeper here lol

[exotic reef]

That's a whole complicated issue that I get around by just not having objectively evil species

[viscid loom]

They also want to stop calling the biggest bedroom in the house the "master bedroom" because... yeah.

[exotic reef]

(except for creatures that aren't persons)

[remote mesa]

Plus there was always the option with DM permission to have something that went against the "normal" alignment of a culture

[fierce hare]

Which is 10000000000000000% fine.

[indigo badger]

I’m not Australian

[fierce hare]

I had someone get all pissed off in one of my campaigns cause goblins were distrustful little fucks and considered evil. The player in question didnt know that due to player interaction and world lore the goblins literally tired to genocide EVERYONE THAT WASNT A GOBLIN cause their Diety told them too lol

[mellow badge]

man is an objectively evil species

[fierce hare]

Mans worst species.

We dont deserve Dogs, Cats, and other pets

[viscid loom]

average origin fan take

Dogs and Cats are lucky to be subservient to man, free food

[indigo badger]

100% agree, lord of the flies was right

[fierce hare]

I have a massive love for Dark Elves so in all my worlds Drow are seperate from "dark elves" and even then the Drow are split down the middle between the sterotypical evil fucks and those going "Hey, we have evolved past that shit... come on ...."

[scenic field]

Malekith was the true Phoenix King

[fierce hare]

Shit i went on a tangent.

[fierce hare]

Norse Dark Elves =/= Sterotypical fantasy Dark elves sirrrr!!!

[remote mesa]

I mean to be fair, sure, the "typical alignment" and to a lesser extent the normal ability bonuses/penalties should be a culture thing not a species/race thing, and the books have always done a poor job conflating that... But in fixing that they went too far the other direction

[exotic reef]

They fixed it in 2e with "usually x"

[scenic field]

They only got Norsed up after they got kicked off the donut

[exotic reef]

dunno why they didn't just keep that shit

And then specify in later books that it was cultural not biological

[remote mesa]

Pretty sure the 5E MM called out that alignment was "usually" not "always" for sapient creatures

[exotic reef]

It did but not in the stat blocks

[fierce hare]

Dunno in Faerun, up until the Spell Plauge a lot of races kept to themselves outside of specific interactions. Sure you had places like Neverwinter but you'd never fucking step foot into the southren moonsea as ANYTHING but a Higher Elven species without being specifically invited. And even then it was TOUGH getting in.

[exotic reef]

This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion because executive pigs are scared that they might not make all of the money if their product contains complex ideas

[remote mesa]

Saving one word per stat block saved them a ton of money on ink

[fierce hare]

Cancel Culture is a scarey as fuck thing.

[hoary prairie]

@noble panther Ready to be held? It'll be lovely 🔪🫂 👀

[scenic field]

Have y’all played dnd online with Foundry before? It’s really like nothing else, it’s more like playing a video game. Fully animated 3D maps and tokens, when you use your attacks animated abilities automatically happen, it’s really on another level

[exotic reef]

Foundry looks good, but personally I use Tabletop Simulator

[remote mesa]

Yes but that's a culture thing, not something inherent biologically

[fierce hare]

Yep main one Ive used since it was in Alpha. Soon as it was able to be in my hands I dumped Roll20 and other platforms.

[exotic reef]

Roll 20 is ass

[noble panther]

im being sexually harassed

[remote mesa]

Tabletop simulator seems way too janky and laggy for a lot of things

[scenic field]

I was looking at them all and was told foundry is the best for 4e

[exotic reef]

It is janky, but it's way more fun to prep than most VTTs

And it was immersive and one time purchase

Plus, real virtual table and real 3D model minis

[remote mesa]

Sorry DM, I accidentally hit the "flip table" button again

[scenic field]

I only discovered it recently and it’s like I’m a new dm all over again I’m so excited about it lol

[remote mesa]

Also supports VR which is cool, but if the table had a lot of scripts running that really didn't work well

[noble panther]

?roll d20

[exotic reef]

Yeah, I don't use any scripts, I just play like I would at a real table

[scenic field]

Roll20 sucks

[noble panther]

😠

[fierce hare]

But it would be biological as they had lest envrionmental pushes to adapt to. So in a sense it would end up being a racial thing. Personally I agree with you though. Like a human from the spine would have different stats than one from say Waterdeep or some shit. But that gets to be way to much for most DM's to handle imo.

[fierce hare]

Oh its great if you need help with it msg me.

[scenic field]

Will do, thanks

[fierce hare]

I like Tabletop Simulator for a couple of the groups i had IRL during the pandemic. But I'd personally rather it all be IRL than using any VTT.

[exotic reef]

If I buy Foundry do my players have to too?

Or can they access the games for free?

[remote mesa]

I doubt it

If you've never spilled mountain dew on your map in tabletop simulator then it's not accurate

[fierce hare]

Nope. Foundry is self hosted, or you can pay someone to host it for you.

[scenic field]

Yea irl is best but it’s just so hard to get people to depend on to always show up these days, everyone is always busy with their kids n shit

[exotic reef]

So I just host it and they log in to it with a browser or something?

[fierce hare]

They can acces it via the link you give them. You just want to make sure you set up their username/pass ahead of time.

[exotic reef]

Rad

[fierce hare]

Pretty much

[noble panther]

https://tenor.com/view/nat20-d20-20sided-die-20-dnd-gif-15085902

[exotic reef]

I'll keep it in mind if I run another game online

[noble panther]

i rolled a 20 you guys

[exotic reef]

In-person is always gonna be best though

[fierce hare]

Thats the one thing im kinda excited about with my move. New area, well Ill be returning to that area, but last time i was there the TTRPG scene was like 20 people lol.

[exotic reef]

It might be slightly more awkward and inconvenient but it just hits different

[noble panther]

i'd play dnd but i'd need to learn how to play lol

[fierce hare]

Its one of the best. Takes a bit more prep and set up than Roll20 or some others but you can do much more with it without a stupid ass pay wall.

[scenic field]

Highly recommend it, here’s a video showcasing it https://youtu.be/_d7k8ognC0w

[noble panther]

my character will be named Andre, he's a giant

[exotic reef]

Is the prep less of a pain in the fucking ass than Roll 20?

[fierce hare]

Eh you'd be better off going into Pathfinder or GURPS or one of the dozens of other systems right now. The DnD Community is a bit heavy handed.

[exotic reef]

Because that thing is a fucking jank machine

[noble panther]

heavy handed? like for petting?

[fierce hare]

in some places yes, in some no. IE Its easier to set up lighting and LOS/FOW than R20 is .

[scenic field]

It’s 100x more intuitive than Roll20

[exotic reef]

My hatred for Roll20 is unbridled and ceaseless

[fierce hare]

No like if you build a character a certain way youll get blasted/cancelled/banned.

[fierce hare]

Get in line lol.

[noble panther]

jesus lol

i just wanna have a giant named andre who's quest is to get bitches

[exotic reef]

This isn't my experience with it, but YMMV

[noble panther]

ymmv?

[fierce hare]

Or in the DM Side if you post an online LFG post and not include LGBT+ Stuff youll either A) Get little to no views, or B) Get fucking ousted as some type of -ist.

[exotic reef]

Your Mileage May Vary

[noble panther]

oh x)

[noble panther]

is it twitter? lol

[scenic field]

If you want to dive into the deep end and join a dark Sun campaign let me know but it’s the hard core version of dnd

[fierce hare]

It honestly depends on where you go tbh. Reddits LFG can be hit or miss. R20 LFG was heavy HEAVY handed.

lol Dark Sun being hard core is an understatement.

[noble panther]

a beginner mode would be great lmao

[fierce hare]

Its like trying to play diablo on hardcore Ironman mode being 20 levels behind everything and getting no loot.

[scenic field]

And all the weapons are made of wood and stone and everyone kills you if your use your magic lol, I love it

[exotic reef]

Honestly, see if where you live has any game stores and go along to an event one day

[fierce hare]

Hit up Reddits LFG and find someone excepting newbs or make a post within their guidelines about wanting ot learn to play. You being new will get a ton of people/options.

[exotic reef]

They're usually pretty welcoming

[noble panther]

this sounds way more up my alley 😄

[fierce hare]

Best advice is best.

[fierce hare]

What state are you in?

[noble panther]

massachusetts, the best one

[fierce hare]

Or are you out of the US?

[exotic reef]

My city alone has like three and it's not a particularly big one

[scenic field]

The one I can’t spell

[noble panther]

to gain entry you must spell the state

[fierce hare]

Theres a ton in east or south east mass. Springfield has a bunch gets sparse the farther out you go.

[fierce hare]

Where im at now has 0 but an hour away both east and north you can find dozens.

[exotic reef]

Anyone in here backed Flee Mortals!?

[fierce hare]

Since I was already apart of the WOTC program there was one that was about 2-2 1/2 hrs from me that offered to pay me double what WOTC was giving me to run their Adventurers league stuff.

[exotic reef]

I can't fuckin wait to get mine, the packets look rad

[fierce hare]

Havent even heard of it lemme google it

Ohhh matts thing

[exotic reef]

It's an MCDM monster book for 5e that takes a lot of cues from 4e

[fierce hare]

Naw, its something I wouldnt back tbh.

[exotic reef]

And generally just makes monsters fun and interesting

That's fair

[fierce hare]

Ya if I was still playing 5e or running games in it I'd def look into getting it.

Once its out ill borrow it from someone and see if its something I wouldnt mind adding to my huge list of shit I still gotta transfer to PF2e lol

Almost done with WoW and FFXIV classes/races.

[exotic reef]

Yeah I plan to keep running 5e for a while, at least until I find a system that's more close to what I want

[fierce hare]

What are you looking for? If you dont mind me asking.

[scenic field]

Just play more 4e you know you want to

[fierce hare]

kek I'd love to get into a good 4e game.

Would give me a chance to revist some of my favorite characters of all time.

[exotic reef]

Its kind of hard to explain. The easiest way I could describe it is somewhere between PF2 and 5e?

[fierce hare]

Though not sure how they'd be outside of those specific campaigns lol.

[scenic field]

I’m in two right now, dming one of them

[fierce hare]

Ehh those are "bottom" level when it comes to TTRPGs tbh. Going to other ones are either going to open things up (IE Gurps) or close them off depending on the system.

Theres a couple out there that are hyper realistic using d6 systems but holy fuck balls mom. They are Brutal and difficult to get into

[exotic reef]

GURPS is something that's never particularly caught my eye, seems super bloated and crufty

[fierce hare]

It -can- be. Its designed to be an open system that allows for literally anything and everything.

[exotic reef]

And the more rules light stuff like Dungeon World just seems too hollow for me

[remote mesa]

Obvious answer is to use the WOIN system http://www.woinrpg.com/

[fierce hare]

One that I h ad fun with but its damn near impossible to find people that want to play it is one of the Final Fantasy rule sets and the Pirates of Dark Water books. But the latter is literally pretty much only a couple one s hots.

[fierce hare]

NO. NO GET BACK NO.

[remote mesa]

I've got the books if you want to come over and do a session sometime

Should only take 20-30 hours to make a character

[fierce hare]

20-30 hours KEK. Thats lowballing sir.

[remote mesa]

Of course, that was using the pregens

[exotic reef]

I like tactical combat but I also value rulings over rules while still wanting some crunch. If I had to describe what I actually want I'd say like... An Advanced 5e, but made by people that know what fun gameplay is

[fierce hare]

Shti what was that one system that people used for mech games. Great base but holy fuck a basic character sheet was like 12 pages of standard size a2 paper lol

BACK AND FRONT

[exotic reef]

Lancer is the only mech game I know of

[fierce hare]

Pretty much 5e. They cleaned up the math a ton and opened up things mechanically to allow for player growth without having to DM hand wave a lot of stuff. Also gives the DM a huge toolset to world build and set up the campaign as they wish

[remote mesa]

The battletech rpg?

[fierce hare]

Wasnt lancer, gonna have to go through my google docs and find one. An EX Gf got me into one that was based around Zoids.

[exotic reef]

My only issue with 5e is that its missing a bunch of shit I want

[fierce hare]

No battletech was pretty straight forward.

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But it's pretty trivial for me to homebrew stuff in and I already have

[fierce hare]

says 90% of 5th Ed DMs lol

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So, I guess I'm good lmao

Still, always willing to play a new system

[remote mesa]

You know the game is bloated if battletech is "pretty straight forward" by comparison

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No fucker willing to run them ever but hey