industrial-professions

[hollow sedge]

thanks 🙂

[wise thunder]

once you refine a bunch, is there no way to break up your lot of refined stuff to carry it on a smaller ship?

like my reliant core only can do 600scu but my smallest load is 900

[worthy scroll]

You mean 6scu?

I haven't mined in a long time, but I believe you can take just some of what you have at the refinery. Just make several trips.

[wise thunder]

the "collect" button wouldn't light up until i swiched to the free flight star runner that holds way over each refined batch

[marble crater]

can't split up orders so you need a cargo ship with enough space to load the order in full. plenty of options that can be rented

[worthy scroll]

Ah, good to know. I had misremembered.

[wise thunder]

thx 19

lame but thx 🙂

[marble crater]

maybe in the future they'll allow split deliveries

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, the Kore is a very small cargo ship, it doesn't have enough space for much of anything. But that's why it's a starter ship.

[wise thunder]

fun that it spins tho

[marble crater]

should have a couple hauling options from free fly at least

[wise thunder]

yep the star runner works great. just enjoy the kore

[wise thunder]

i can see tho why renting the cutty black and the ground miner car makes sense because then you can transport your refined stuff in the cutty, otherwise you need the prospector and then ALSO another rental huh

[cerulean lichen]

What cargo ship is everyone planning on grinding towards post wipe?

[marble crater]

Raft and M2 for me. Haven't owned either of those ships

[worthy scroll]

I already have a Cat, so I'm not sure if I want to get something else. I've had a C2 in-game for a while, but I really don't like flying that thing. I'll probably just stick with the Cat.

Has there ever been any talk of a medium salvage ship? We have the Vulture, small, and Reclaimer, heavy. Man I'd love to get surprised with an Argo medium salvage.

[marble crater]

I have access to a Connie loaner but want the Raft for 3.18 Cargo Refactor assuming there isn't another wipe in between

Hope the Cat gets its Tractor Beam then too

[cerulean lichen]

I’m debating on raft or caterpillar for IAE. So my goal is to get both after the wipe to test drive them. I only recently got both now, but haven’t done much trading so can’t tell much. Hoping to figure it all out before November.

[worthy scroll]

There are two ways to think about those ships. How they work in the current state of the alpha, or what they'll be later on. The Cat is going to be something very different down the road, while the Raft will always just be the Raft.

[marble crater]

with Cargo Refactor the Raft could be very quick re:load times. have to wait and see

[sharp latch]

Has anyone tried to do the illicit cargo missions using the MSRs hidden storage area?

Im purposely gaining my reputation with Red Wind to try these out when 17.2 goes live. But I’ve never utilized the hidden storage area for the transport of illegal goods.

[scarlet sinew]

I don’t think the smuggling spaces work yet. I could be wrong, but I swear I was told the shielded cargo area on my Taurus didn’t do anything yet, so I’d assume MSR tunnels are the same.

[sharp latch]

Hmm. I’ll have to test this out I guess. Maybe I’ll go buy some drugs and pop them in there and wait around to get scanned by security

I’ll pop over to #helpdesk and ask over there.

[scarlet sinew]

I did run across a video of a guy saying he noticed he could keep dead bodies in the Taurus smuggling area, and he’d pass the scans. Problem is, I don’t actually know if dead bodies in the cargo gets you in trouble at all since I’ve never tried it lol.

I believe the was tractor beaming bodies from bunker missions into his ship to loot all at once.

[north oyster]

Not sure dead NPC bodies count as contraband but would be good to know. The shielded areas have not been implemented

[vestal ravine]

What rental ship has the largest cargo space? I know the C2 is not rentable. Thanks!

[viscid hazel]

Where can i find info about the ship cargo grid sizes?

[sacred raptor]

i use this sheet i found linked on reddit a while back. it still gets updated pretty quickly after patches.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CyizYbgT6JlR1ggATBemxM8prWAR05YYImSJI7gyA8w/edit#gid=187086502
there's a column for cargo capacity of each ship

[polar pulsar]

Guys

Im new to cargo

And i would loike to know if i should store my ship b4 sellingh?

*like, *selling

[ember grail]

Storing your ship is usually best practice on the off chance you don't store it and your ship gets impounded/padrammed

[polar pulsar]

Okay

Thanks

Is there a way to search foir destinations in the star map

[ember grail]

Nope

[cerulean lichen]

If your looking for good ways to determine routes there is an online tool you can use that should show you best routes by putting in how much you want to spend and what ship you have/cargo space. It’s not 100% accurate but it can help you get an idea to then go check the route in game

[misty coyote]

Padramming is going to be less a thing in 17.2 as they give you hangers now.

Which also means i can stop wearing flight suits all the time.

[fallen atlas]

People still ram in hangars all the time too. Nothing like someone following your ship in at grim and ramming right before they get kicked out.

[cobalt rivet]

I honestly have never been pad rammed, but I don't go out looking for fights either

I notice pvp gets a little toxic between competitive people

[cerulean lichen]

I tend to hide from other players. It’s lonely but have never gotten into a fight

[cobalt rivet]

You don't have to completely hide yourself tho it certainly helps 🙂

I just think its more inline with salty pvpers than it is random trolling

[cerulean lichen]

I don’t really have people to play with anyways so living solo in the verse has worked for me. I still see people in stations or in armistice zones but outside that I tend to avoid people

[cobalt rivet]

I am always down to play with people as long as I don't have to wait 15 minutes for them to get ready

[cerulean lichen]

Yah I did one of those guided events to get some skins and while no fault to them SC decided to crash a few times for them.

[thin escarp]

if anyone runs into pad rammers you can let me know. i'll have one of my guys add you and come take care of the issue

took out a whole org of pad rammers last night.

[sacred raptor]

you're a beautiful person

[pastel flame]

I love murdering pad rammers

And clipping the action for CIG

[thin escarp]

@pastel flame some dude tried to pad ram me last night. but i hopped out the ship and recorded it literally seconds before he smashed into me and he died LOL

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-go-to-the-shame-corner-shame-shame-on-you-shame-corner-gif-21519457

[pastel flame]

Amazing. Bye bye account.

[half grotto]

At one point dead bodies of criminals would flag your ship as hostile, not sure if that's still the case

[cerulean lichen]

What would be a good early game trader you guys think? A freelancer or cutlass?

[marble crater]

freelancer max is pretty hard to beat as a cheap hauler. Cutlass is better if you want a more combat capable multi role but falls short for trade

[toxic citrus]

Freelancer max is unbetable right now as a cheap hauler

Until Hull B I'd say

[cerulean lichen]

I’ll aim towards that then. I’ll grind the 45k delivery missions until I can afford it. Other option is the store, but definitely better to try a ship in game before buying anything

Hull series like B should be very cool once added. I’m so pumped for the cargo stuff coming this year

[scarlet sinew]

I just want my Taurus’ tractor to work

Mostly for shenanigans, but still

[marble crater]

Ship tractor beams have so much potential gameplay lol

[cobalt rivet]

Like dumping scraps in space station docks

[marble crater]

like picking up a ROC miner & taking them on an adventure

[surreal rain]

I found a bit of large quantanium rocks and may need another operator to help mine. any takers?

[north oyster]

That good to know, I appreciate the info. I wonder how this will change or if it will.

[onyx crow]

wow, that'll be sick

but how would the transaction happen?

[cobalt rivet]

I just want to be able to litter

[scarlet sinew]

Like swinging scu boxes around like a flail

I also fully intend to take peoples’ ROC mining loads with it. Pick up ROC, drop it from super high to destroy it and kill guy inside, pick up profits and leave lol.

[north oyster]

some creative marauders, that's for sure

[stiff fulcrum]

Alternatively, charge ROC miners a small fee to come get them unstuck so they don't lose their ore

[twilit wren]

Asteroid belt mining is still busted. Many rocks you find are not scannable.

[north oyster]

If you are using active angle ping then you won't waste time on the duds. If there server you're on is hosed, it will normally run way more duds than normal.

[cerulean lichen]

Wonder if pyro will bring need trade commodities or minerals/metals to mine. Be interesting if cig has a goal to make only certain things available in specific systems.

[cobalt rivet]

Like a piñata

[cerulean lichen]

I came from elite dangerous and always loved the commodity variety and how prices, demand and supply shifted. I sorta hope SC becomes like that but it’s going to take more than just Stanton and pyro to see anything like that

[north oyster]

Quantum is the system that Tony Z. is building. It is a continually living, thriving system that runs continuously and Players only make up about 10% of the population. All trade, demand, etc will be handled by this system. If you didn't see Tony Z's presentation from about this time last year, I would highly recommend it.

[north oyster]

PTU is now Wave 2

[cobalt rivet]

what does wave 2 mean?

[fallen atlas]

Once a build is stabilized and features are completed, we then roll that build out to a wider audience. The current PTU release format is as follows:

    Evocati: Our smallest group of testers who help us get our releases ready for a proper public viewing more quickly! Picked from Issue Council posters with multiple submissions or contributions and from our most active PTU testers.
    WAVE 1 Subs and Concierge Wave: All RSI accounts that are active subscribers and all of our Concierge members will be invited to join the PTU testing after we open this wave.  This is sometimes referred to as Wave 1.
    WAVE 2 Active Participation Wave: All members of the previous waves plus any players that have been very active and involved on the Issue Council, plus players with the highest amount of playtime across all game modes.  This group is sometimes referred to as Wave 2.
    Open PTU: The PTU servers and access will be opened to all backers with a game package.```

[cobalt rivet]

god bless u

[marble crater]

hah same long time Elite player as well & you definitely take a working trade/bgs system for granted after a while

[fathom badge]

hi im trying to upgrade my prospector and not sure what to get for it i got a lancet mh1 and not sure how to procced any sugestions?

[gaunt fiber]

I'd upgrade your quantum drive too

Atlas drive is the best IMHO (you can buy it at HUR L5)

[sacred raptor]

if you mine on lyria i'd get some surge and stampede modules as those will allow you to break the higher mass rocks with some practice

[fathom badge]

ok thanks

[sacred raptor]

if you mine in the halo those are unnecessary since the largest rocks there are easily mineable solo with no mods. you can add stuff like fltr to cut down on the inert stuff

[tight latch]

has the wipe happened yet

[north oyster]

No, the wipe will come when 3.17.2 build goes LIVE

speculation is end of coming week

21st or 22nd timeframe

[north oyster]

JEEP for the Win

[cerulean lichen]

I’ll look into that. Didn’t know that’s what quantum was but not I’m definitely interested.

[sacred raptor]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/18162-Quantum-Quasar-And-Virtual-AI

[north oyster]

I will forewarn that that video is maybe the most density packed dialog I have ever watched. No wasted words from Tony Z. ... I've watched it a couple of times and I am amazed each time.
Thanks @sacred raptor for the URL link

[sacred raptor]

NP 🙏

[north oyster]

Just rewatched the video again. Amazing to see how much is now being implemented into the game that Tony Z said was coming. Though the Streaming aspect has been a rough road, it is good to see all the work coming to light.

[bright peak]

Have they improved on scanning for asteroids in the ptu?

[north oyster]

That improvement won't happen until they implement more server meshing. This was asked a few months ago when Todd Pappy was on a show. He said the dud scans were an issue that would require server meshing.

[bright peak]

Ok. Have most people moved away from asteroid mining then?

[sacred raptor]

no

mining is still quite profitable

may be fewer people doing it right now and for the next week or two

until the patch/wipe

[real axle]

Quant mining on Lyria is still pretty profitable

[north oyster]

With the Active Angle ping method, you can know if an asteroid is a dud or Non-Q rock from over 11Km away. I made 16 quick trips into the Halo and pulled over 3.5M aUEC

Lyria is popular but I mine in Aaron's Halo exclusively

[tidal forum]

when does the wipe happen? i want to upgrade my drake to a prospector

course after the wipe the mining locations will likely be rammed

[north oyster]

What you buy in the Real World is untouched

[tidal forum]

yup exactly.. want to do an upgrade before the wipe

[north oyster]

CR was on twitter today with (his brother?) and they talked about 3.17.2 going live in about 7 to 10 days

https://twitter.com/Croncy1/status/1548289486534037506?t=fQMp4FvKe4Mf-cjk6L0nHg&s=19

🚀Croncy🚀 (@Croncy1)

I believe @Eruhilde actually organised this, but was super cool to see this video during the meet up! Thankyou @croberts68

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 16, 2022, 12:52 PM

[fallen atlas]

I just don't see that happening with state of PTU

[tidal forum]

is it normal that a claim must be filed even tho you didn't blow up your ship? just logged out for a week?

[fallen atlas]

happens from time to time.

[north oyster]

Fridays patch is almost functional. The prior 3 were total trash.

I did about a two hour run before RL demands. Made a few trades to buffer my anemic wallet

[cerulean lichen]

Well the max is kinda fun to fly. Not much to interact with inside the ship but that’s just from its age. Now time to try running some cargo.

[north oyster]

One you get use to the Brick flying characteristics of the MAX, she shines. I will let you know she flies 1000% better than this time last year

[fallen atlas]

Yeah, I know it'll get better before then, but we're not even on open PTU for stress testing and they're already having pretty bad CTD/30k issues.

[cerulean lichen]

Do freelancer paints also apply to the max? Like do you think the new guide livery for the freelancer also will work on the max or do we not know that yet?

[marble crater]

I can use the same black paint on the Freelancer MIS & MAX

[tidal forum]

does CRU L3 have a refinery?

[sacred raptor]

nope

only the L1s and HUR L2

in 17.2 PTU as of a few patches ago the other L2s with stations also had them. so a couple more upcoming

[north oyster]

There are some new stations with the new 3.17.2 patch but I don't believe it includes any new refineries

at this time only MIC-L1, ARC-L1, CRU-L1, HUR-L1 and HUR-L2 are the refineries of Stanton

[sacred raptor]

MIC-L2 and ARC-L2 had refineries as of a couple of PTU patches ago

[cerulean lichen]

So max is definitely fun. I feel like a freighter captain with it

[north oyster]

Thanks Peej, I had heard some were added but didn't have the specifics

[north oyster]

The MAX offers one of the best aUEC to SCU cost in the game. And can serve multiple roles easily. She's a good ship, imo

[misty coyote]

I concure.....

What I dislike about the Freelancer series, and this is only for the brave idiots who bed log.... Is how long it takes to both lie down, and get up....

Ffs.... Stop stretching and go float through the ship hull!

[viscid hazel]

I only float through the floor when i spawn back in to my FL. :)

Or in to the cockpit stairs to be exact

[misty coyote]

Even getting in..... My guy fidgets around getting comfy

[viscid hazel]

A good pose is important when getting into bed.

I cant wait for the wipe to come so i can start fresh.

[crimson oak]

I just finished the extremely tedious task of moving all my crap from area 18 to grim hex. Thousands of drag and drops, one single item at a time. Next patch I promise not to buy so many weapon attachments. God they were a nightmare.

[fallen atlas]

Move All Coming Soon ™️

[crimson oak]

ya know the frustrating thing is that I always only really end up using an optic and a under barrel light thingy.

move all would be nice but stack all would be just as fantastic, just simple UI mechanics like that, selecting multiple items at once either with the mouse or shift key + arrows etc.

[cerulean lichen]

I’m still debating where I’m going to set myself up at. I love microtech, but trade and mining is so much better on Hurston and area 18

[crimson oak]

yeah you can do basically everything in crusader ive found

[cerulean lichen]

I love crusader but man flying through the atmosphere sucks

[viscid hazel]

Is there a staring city which has all kids of shops?

I mean Food/Guns/Armor

[cerulean lichen]

New Babbage I’d say.

[viscid hazel]

I think i'll start there after the wipe then.

I liked Hurston but it doesnt have all of the shops available.

Well mostly i would need a Pistol and a Backpack when im starting from a starter city. :)

[fallen atlas]

Use Port Olisar or grim hex

Just sucks for bringing in specific delivery missions

[cerulean lichen]

You can set your respawn at Port Olisar?

[crimson oak]

gotta set your home at Orison but can move your regeneration spawn point at PO or Grim Hex

[scarlet sinew]

I’ve been using CRUL1

[cobalt rivet]

what makes you say that?

Is there not a refinery near MT?

[scarlet sinew]

It’s solid as well. Armor and guns, and it’s a super short jump to crusader proper.

[fallen atlas]

no, but you can set it to grim.

[vestal ravine]

MIC L1 has a Refinery and I believe Port Tressler has a better gun shop, a Cargo Center and looks cool.

[tidal forum]

hey all... if you have a full load of quant.... land safely at a facility and quickly hit backspace..... will your ship auto park?

i read it on reddit... but i haven't been successful... my ship still explodes

[cobalt rivet]

did they move the brandt mining module from ARC L1

cant find it

[north oyster]

I have moved to Area 18 as my primary spawn. All the shops are right there in town central - Dumpers (ship parts and weapons), Cubby's (armor, arms), etc.

[north oyster]

are you searching in Live or PTU? Live you will need to go to Tammany&Sons(Lorville), Shubin (NB) or PO's Dumpers

CRU & ARC L1 also if in PTU

[cobalt rivet]

hm... PO seems like the least painful out of them all

[north oyster]

The only challenge with PO the last time I went there (to by some Surge units) was that they were out of stock at that time. Hopefully not the case now.

[worn dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpVEoau6FYQ&t=33s&ab_channel=RedMonsterSC

[crimson oak]

Thanks Bacon, I can't be arsed setting up scripts like that but it's a great potential solution to share.

also kinda depressing in a way

[worn dock]

Yeah, a "bulk move" button is coming, they said, but not this patch

[crimson oak]

oh what, i thought it was this next patch coming when we're getting it

that's disappointing

[worn dock]

maybe I misunderstood, which isn't difficult to do with my hearing loss

oh, what's your screen resolution? If you're running 1920x1080, I'll send you the Voice Attack profile after I make it

[crimson oak]

Oh it's fine, I'll live

Thanks for the generous offer though.

[foggy rain]

Can you make money by doing chill cargo?

Since wipe is soon I don't want to spend time grinding bounty or mining

[deep vector]

Yes you can, sub optimal and not that big

[fading escarp]

@foggy rain you're reputation will remain after the wipe, doing bounty or mercenary work. Yes I relax and chill out doing trade runs.

[foggy rain]

How do I do trade runs?

[fading escarp]

could I make more, being shot at and killed, probably yes

[foggy rain]

How can I do trade runs?

[fading escarp]

voice ?

[foggy rain]

wdym?

[fading escarp]

join helping friends voice

[deep vector]

You buy things in one place, sell at other

[foggy rain]

ik ik

But like where do I do that

I also don't have $$$ for a ship lol

So no point of my getting help if I can't get cargo yk

[deep vector]

Which ship you have?

[foggy rain]

100i lol

[fading escarp]

I sent you an invite to my voice chat

[foggy rain]

I don't have a ship mate

So there really isn't a point

For me to learn cargo, don't you need a big ship?

[fading escarp]

no, that's where we'll do a joint op

[deep vector]

You can start with nomad which less than mil

[cobalt rivet]

cutlass is love

[deep vector]

Hull A better for cargo

[misty coyote]

Freelancer rental, 37k

Ish.

[north oyster]

I can send you funds to get the Freelancer MAX if you want to try it

[foggy rain]

Sure

[north oyster]

DM me your SC handle. I'll be back at the house in about 30 min

[foggy rain]

Alright

Lucksxx

[cerulean lichen]

Ah tripper is just our local freelancer max dealer😅

[misty coyote]

I'll take 2!

[strong wolf]

hey every one i am having some issues buying mining modules, the screen at the refinary doenst seem to work this it at ARC-L1 and at CRU-L1 is this normal?

[north oyster]

they're broke

Fixed in next patch

[misty coyote]

What does everyone buying list post wipe look like?

[north oyster]

check finder.cstone.space for other locations

[strong wolf]

thank you

[north oyster]

Can you clarify what you mean, sorry, I'm not sure I follow

ah

Ok, surprise, I'll be buying the FL MAX to add back into my fleet

I have a Taurus but I like the MAX better

Other than that I actually own the ships I need to start right out the gate

[misty coyote]

First thing I'm buying is a days Freelancer rental... Then A Nomad..... After that a RAFT.... Then switch to some fighters...

[north oyster]

I take a different approach ... I have a minimum amount of aUEC that I want in my wallet at any given time. So I will be working on establishing that before I buy anything

[misty coyote]

Aaah. That's fair... I can never wait to buy the things... I have a props pledged.... Trying to persuade my mate to sell me his c8x

[north oyster]

Pieces is such a wonderful little ship, it is the true Shuttle Craft from Star Trek

[misty coyote]

Yep.... Its easily one of my favourite...

Other post wipe plans?

[north oyster]

After I get about 50M aUEC in my wallet? I like the 600i, so I might pick one of those up. Not sure

[cerulean lichen]

I never had more then 8 million in my wallet.

[north oyster]

I feel broke if I have anything under 10M

[cerulean lichen]

That said most I ever had was 8 million. Though I only started in April.

[north oyster]

I'll probably never have as much as I had in Pre-3.15 wipe, I had over 18 months to build funds and I was clearing over 1M per day

sometimes hitting over 1M per hour

[cerulean lichen]

Earn that all from mining and trading?

[north oyster]

yes

Trade was pretty sweet for awhile before it got nuked

ROC mining was crazy good for awhile

Prospector mining was way more profitable also

[misty coyote]

I realised why trading and hauling feels good....

It's like buying highs, but your making money off it.... Just wish the economy was set up to find those back planet bargains.

[north oyster]

Soon(TM)

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh ok. Still debating if I want to do trading or mining post wipe.

[misty coyote]

I'm going to start in one and move to the other.

[north oyster]

Mining is by far way more profitable

But I always run trade and mining

Switch up between the two and also between ROC and Prospector mining

[cerulean lichen]

I’ll probably do what I first did in April. Grind for a cutlass, and get a roc. Then use the roc to get a prospector. Can use the cutlass for transport refined stuff.

[north oyster]

Because the Prospector prints money, I'll be doing that until at least 10M+ aUEC

[north oyster]

solid plan

[misty coyote]

That does sound like good progression..... I have a prospector.... So I could do the same....

[north oyster]

Do you also have a cargo ship?

[misty coyote]

Melt down..... Get something sweet and rent a ROC and Cutty.....

[cerulean lichen]

I fly the cutlass so much I always debate pledging it with how much I use it. The good news is it’s so cheap it’s not hard to grind

[north oyster]

agreed

I have a fleet that I've pledged that has built up over the years.

[cerulean lichen]

I always thought pledging would be a useful thing but with how many good ways there are to grind to afford ships you want it’s never an easy answer.

[north oyster]

agreed, it is nice that even with a basic pledge you can earn whatever ship you want in-game

I started out with the Titan, she was such a fine little ship

But finally CCU'd to the Cutlass Black and the whole game changed for me there

Star Citizen Alpha 3.17.2 PTU is now open to ALL BACKERS

[cerulean lichen]

Titan is amazing ship and I love it.

[onyx crow]

If only I could retrieve it.

[north oyster]

you will after the wipe, that'll all be fixed

[onyx crow]

I know :/

I can't wait for this wipe

[north oyster]

this week, pretty confident since it is now in OPEN

[cerulean lichen]

Wipe will be nice. I’ll finally get rid of those 12 cutlass blacks I have in my hanger

[north oyster]

all the rental ships for the ILW free fly, etc

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh yah, the cat from invictus will be gone from me then.

[tight latch]

i wish i could pledge the caterpillar

hauling ship

[cerulean lichen]

Will be available at IAE in November

[tight latch]

so i will be able to pledge it in november

[cerulean lichen]

Should be. During invictus and IAE, those are the 2 big ship expos in game and a ton of not all the ships you can own right now or buy as a concept will also be available on the pledge store.

[thin escarp]

@north oyster im about to be broke but

thats the fun of it.

right now i stand to lose 275 mil but ive given out 800 mil in the last 45 days 😄

ima go throw the rest to new people until the wipe 😄

[cerulean lichen]

Damn you guys make a lot in game!

[tight latch]

will the orion be added by the IAE event

[cerulean lichen]

Should be. Can never say 100% but from what I have been told about IAE concept ships like that will be available. Though be warned those big ships your listing can be multiple hundreds of dollars or even over the thousand dollar mark

[north oyster]

You've got to understand that @thin escarp is a monster factory of activity. His team probably scoops more Quantainium than any other organization in the game.

[rugged axle]

Sounds like I need to get in with cross lol

[north oyster]

I would recommend checking his group out. They have a top notch setup

[cerulean lichen]

Ohh so that’s org stuff. Never really looked into org gameplay since I had always played games like sc solo, but it be interesting. It’s all a question of how much free time I have to dedicate

[thin escarp]

why suffer alone!

it hurts less when the homie next to you went through it too

[north oyster]

I normally don't go much over 100M aUEC, sadly I get unmotivated if I get too much coin. When I had close to 1B aUEC I was worthless, LOL

[tight latch]

facts

[thin escarp]

@north oyster thats why once i buy all the ships i give most my money to new players

or to lost corps racing league

[cerulean lichen]

True. I just can’t say how much free time I get. I’d hate to join any group then not pull my weight as I don’t have as much time as other might.

[north oyster]

Same, I like to scholarship out hundreds of millions of space money

[cerulean lichen]

What are orgs like when it comes to mining and trading focused ones?

[thin escarp]

huge mining operations

every saturday we get 20-40 people together. split into mole teams. "with scouts" and we mine 15-25 million in quant. each mole team splits there profits equally

and we track all the orders on our website.

[cerulean lichen]

Wow that’s a big group

[hoary depot]

whats the best place to mine quantanium on lyria?

[steady vale]

It is really random. I always just go on to the side the sun is on. After you ping at a 360 angle, pick one, zoom to a 2 angle and ping again. If there are 2 rocks on top of each other (can tell by the little white boxes that pop up) then it is quantanium

Most likely

[cerulean lichen]

You know what. I’m pledging a cutlass black. I use one so often that it just makes sense at this point. Should be the last ship I’ll ever need to pledge as well as I’ll have all I need to grind early game. I can trade and roc mine any time then

[scarlet sinew]

Solid ship to pledge imo

I pledged a Taurus for the same reasons (it’s basically a Cutty Black on steroids lol).

[cerulean tree]

so it looks like i'll be flying my 325 again for this patch

due to red wind delivery missions being in drug labs and being able to buy drugs as a bonus while running boxes

apparently they're not worth unless you pair with that but it seems like a fun loop

[cobalt rivet]

Ye man

Its what im gonna do

Also because i like roving around the moon in my little scooty

[marble crater]

I remember thinking that a year ago lol. Cutty is a solid choice though enjoy!

[cerulean lichen]

Ok and purchase sent. Sure it’s 100 dollars, but it’s definitely going to be worth it since I fly the ship almost daily. I got my avenger for anything fighting related, the cutlass as my industrial do all ship, then my tali base concept which will one day be my base ship. I have everything I need now to start off any wipe.

[north oyster]

Any reason why you didn't CCU your Titan to the Cutty?

[cerulean lichen]

I honestly love the titan to much as a ship to ever give it up. It’s hard to put into words, but the ship is special to me and didn’t think I’ll ever be able to replace it. Plus I prefer to fight in a titan than a cutlass.

[marble crater]

Nice I started playing with a 300i then upgraded to Cutty. Ended buying a 325a later on cause I missed it lol

[vocal lava]

Does anyone know the most profitable route I can take with 600k to start with and I have a C2

[thin escarp]

@cerulean lichenpretty cheap in game

for a titan 😄

thats how i measure my ship buying now

[cerulean lichen]

Maybe so but for how often I play, it helps to have a good starter ship fleet. Small but effective

[marble crater]

Nice I only have 3 ships but I love them

[fossil tangle]

Best cargo route for quick money?

[dapper mesa]

There's really not one currently unless you have a c2 or a cat. Cargo is currently very high risk due to crashes and bugs with low rate of return.

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[dapper mesa]

It's much easier to see pings in the dark

[steady vale]

Perhaps, but I enjoy the sunny side. More of a preference but still have no problem finding quantanium

[icy venture]

What's the highest % rock you've found planetside? I'm curious because I mine the Halo and was wondering if there is a benefit to planet mining?

[marble crater]

percentages still cap out at around 49% but planets have much larger rocks that get to over 8T mass which is perfect for Mole crews

also the change in scenery can be nice if you're just Prospector mining

[icy venture]

Yeah, just in a prospector here. I've tried Lyria but I didn't have much luck and I saw too many other players, spooked me

[marble crater]

for the Prossy the Halo is your best spot. Lyria would just be for something different

[icy venture]

Is there a loadout that would allow me to crack a 8k rock?

[marble crater]

Lancet with Surge, Stampede + Optimum is what I use. it's quite sketchy though as you have to fire the Surge module twice to get enough power to hit the Green so you can easily blow yourself up trying

You can find rocks around the 5T size too which is perfect for a Prospector

Going in with a friend in 2 Prospectors is a safer way

[icy venture]

Yeah I was thinking the Helix with surge might do it, just don't like using gadgets

[marble crater]

2 Lancets will chew through the big rocks

for solo it's not really worth it unless you're in a Mole so you can take advantage of the extra capacity. This was 1 rock around 7.8T

[shadow lichen]

anyone down for some cave mining?

[blazing cedar]

#looking-for-session

[north oyster]

Titanium and Gold are two good items to get. Titanium out of Bezdek and Gold out of Humbolt. Astatine is also awesome trade, out of Ryder and Woodruff

[cerulean lichen]

Titanium is a great bulk thing to trade. Though it’s always good to check the buy price compared to what trade tools online show you to know if your hauling is worth it.

[north oyster]

I was surprised to see the PTU go to Open over the weekend. They must feel pretty good about it. Thinking if that is the case we could have it pushed to LIVE by Wednesday to Friday

[cerulean lichen]

I’d love that! While the updates content doesn’t interest me to much the wipe and duplication bug being fixed are what I’m really looking forward to

What I’m really looking forward to is just starting out fresh with my cutlass and hauling stuff around and roc mining again.

[hallow fractal]

I was wondering (because I'm too lazy to download PTU), isn'T the next patch gonna include the possible "stealing" of our cargo by transferring all to the thiefs own ship?

[north oyster]

That will be later when 3.18 comes out with the Cargo refactor

[hallow fractal]

Honestly, I can barely wait for it. Finally gives some "risk" factor to transport and makes a new job for ppl. Caravan guardian. To protect others carrying values. Tho the value of the cargo I think should be waaaay higher for that. :/

[north oyster]

I'll be sure to hire you when I load up my Hull C!!

[cerulean lichen]

Yep refactor will make pirates a thing and the need for protection on large hauls. On the surface refactor May just seem like adding things to make trade more dynamic but it has an impact on so many places and makes new gameplay loops

[north oyster]

The cargo refactor touches every single aspect of the game so this is why they are taking over 3 months of testing on that one single aspect beginning this month with evocati group.

New PTU patch today, looking at improving stability. Everything they do from here on out will be critical because it will be The LIVE build we play until about November

[marble crater]

No possible way it'll be buggy

[hallow fractal]

Don't hire me to protect you. I want to splay SpaceTruck Simulator too 😄

[north oyster]

Space Trucking is gonna be awesome!!

[cerulean lichen]

Yep. Definitely excited about non combat professions getting some work done on them

[vocal lava]

so should I buy titanium than if I cant get a full load get gold?

[north oyster]

You don't have to buy a full load. Titanium offers a greater return because it is more expensive than Gold. So, for example, you have 250K aUEC but it would cost 600K aUEC to fill the C2. The ONLY buy about 200K aUEC of cargo and go with that.

[vocal lava]

You have american truck simulator but SpaceTruck Simulator is better

[misty coyote]

Is there any way of pledging the Argo RAFT?

[vocal lava]

ok so should I scrap laranite runs?

[verbal cargo]

maybe at IAE in the fall, thats when I got mine

[north oyster]

Laranite is extremely limited, you can buy what you find but fill in with other ore

[misty coyote]

Maybe on the grey market then?

Are we allowed to talk about that?

[verbal cargo]

wait till IAE, you might get an LTI token with it or be able to put together a CCU chain to save a few bucks

[misty coyote]

That's in October right?

[sacred raptor]

November

[misty coyote]

Well... That's all well and good....but I want it now.....

I have a Freelancer Max... It bothers me it has more haulage space....

I like the max and all..... Multi role and all that..... Love that Argo Raft tho....

[hollow sedge]

@verbal cargo another person from Seattle I see

[tight latch]

well when i wipe happening again

likw the update is there an actucal date on it

[cerulean lichen]

With the patch. Last prediction I saw was between Wednesday and Friday but that’s just a guess and not a official date

[tight latch]

of this week

[cerulean lichen]

Probably again can’t say anything for 100%. Fact ptu is open to all means they feel confident but it could easily be delayed

[tight latch]

k thanks

[north oyster]

The disadvantage of grey market is that dollars you spend are not helping the project nor do they count towards your "levels" in the game as towards Concierge status, etc

[north oyster]

The green light to go LIVE happens when conditions are met, not a certain date.

Open PTU generally means they are in the last stage of game blocking bugs being resolved

The desync is the biggest challenge they've had this patch, so that's been the main focus.

[misty coyote]

That's fair....I still really want a RAFT though

I don't think the project will suffer for the $20 I'm dropping on the CCU

[north oyster]

True, I bought on grey market before I realized that I would've been concierge way sooner if I had not

[misty coyote]

How does a CCU work?

Do I need to own the ship first>

The springboard ship I mean

[north oyster]

It's pretty simple once you have the basic concept down. Say you have a Titan but you want a Cutty Black. YOu have to own the titan to upgrade it to the cutty

[misty coyote]

It's the timing I'm questioning...Do you applyt the upgrade when it's valid?

[north oyster]

I had a ROC that had LTI, I upgraded to the Corsair. The Corsair now has LTI

[misty coyote]

Example, I have a MAX now, so I have to melt down my account and do a few shinanigans to get a Freelancer....

[north oyster]

The CCU can sit in your inventory without being applied

[misty coyote]

Aces

[north oyster]

No melting required

[misty coyote]

I haven't got the required ship yet

I need to melt, get the required standalone ship first

[north oyster]

Is it your game package also?

OK, @misty coyote what are you trying to do? I need to understand a little better where you are at

[misty coyote]

I'll be pledging the C8X as my package, and the Freelancer as a standalone

Upgrade the Freelancer to the Raft then

[native marsh]

you'll want to do the upgrade ship option if its your base game package as you wont be able to play if you independently melt the game package first

[north oyster]

Is the Raft more than the MAX in cost?

[misty coyote]

No

...

I dunno

In game, it's a little less

[north oyster]

ah, ok you can't CCU then. You can only CCU UP in cost

[misty coyote]

Yep

So I melt

[north oyster]

Do you have an LTI token?

[misty coyote]

I buy the C8X and the base Freelancers

Nope

I don't care about LTI

[north oyster]

ok, fair enough

[misty coyote]

This is just the easiest I found so far....Freelancer to RAFT with 12 months insuarnce...

There might be better deals

Loads of Nova to RAFT, just can't find a Nova

[north oyster]

You can buy a Nova in the store I think, let me check

yeah, looks like "not at this time"

[native marsh]

could do something like get a mule and then upgrade it

[north oyster]

artificial scarcity

[misty coyote]

Can't see that as an option.

[north oyster]

I would say wait and buy it in-game in the next patch (if offered)

Then when it can be purchased from store, get it then

[misty coyote]

Though your words are wise, and sage like....

You know when you just wanna get

[north oyster]

oh, I have paid my stupid tax with commas in the check

I would suggest looking for a RAFT CCU that comes from a common always available donor ship. You may have done this, but it is worth the effort

[misty coyote]

Freelancer is the easiest

There is a Buccaneer one too

[north oyster]

If not, then look at a CCU chain that gets you there

Chrome has a plug in that called the Star Citizen CCU Game. Might be worth checking out

[worthy scroll]

It's also a site.

https://ccugame.app

[north oyster]

LOL, I just realized I have 8 ships that are Loaners

[misty coyote]

Nice

[native marsh]

oof... painful on PTU right now

[north oyster]

really? crashing?

[native marsh]

no having loaners lol

none of them will copy over

[north oyster]

oh, yes, simulating the wipe, LOL

or rather, "starting with just basic ships"

I was doing trading and mining in the PTU just to have a little bit in the wallet

Hard to test new stuff when you have to focus on surviving

[native marsh]

true, though when the beacons are working correctly they ramp up pretty quickly and pay well

[north oyster]

I see that. I was watching Astro doing some of those.

[native marsh]

they're back-end sent from the quanta system to the servers though and it seems like the service was down all weekend

[north oyster]

The Quantum system is going to be fun when working good, with all those little quantas running around broadcasting for help

[blazing cedar]

Yo uhhhhhhhh

Where's a good place for ROC mining?

[native marsh]

aberdeen for hadanite, but you'll want to pick up a pembroke suit first

[scarlet sinew]

Lyria is ok too if you’re on that side of the system and don’t want to bother with the suit.

[blazing cedar]

Thought so, just wanted to make sure I had the right one

[jagged whale]

What's the thickest layer of the halo?

[native marsh]

generally band 5

[jagged whale]

is there a chart that will show me when to stop QT for each band?

[native marsh]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[jagged whale]

Much appreciated!

[crimson oak]

Is there no delivery company for Crusader? Only delivery missions I get there is 2 QT sensitive missions from Covalex.

[north oyster]

Not Lyria, but Daymar as the second place for hadanite. But Aberdeen is the best place because hadanite spawns in the hottest of enviroments

[cerulean lichen]

Ahh Aberdeen. Such a dreadful place but riches to be made in hadanite

[north oyster]

I actually enjoy the planet once you're properly bundled up in the Pembroke suit

technically moon

[worthy scroll]

That's no moon, that's a mining node.

[north oyster]

LOL, roger that

I do miss Microtech being all hadanite, that was fun to mine then

[cerulean lichen]

I love microtech but all the money feels like it’s at Hurston area.

[scarlet sinew]

Oops, I meant Daymar

[cerulean lichen]

Just need a suit locker on my cutlass in the future to store my pembroke suit and I’m all good😅

[north oyster]

Whenever you go to outpost like to retrieve your ROC, be sure to check the loot boxes around there. They sometimes have extra Pembroke helmets, etc

if nothing else, they have drink and food in the loot boxes, these are good to keep in the ship also

New PTU Patch is out

[hollow sedge]

Is Cargo good with a C2 right now are nah?

[north oyster]

With C2 and enough aUEC, it's not bad

[hollow sedge]

ight thanks

[north oyster]

Scrap pulls a little under 25K to 28K per trip, Astatine pulls about 100K aUEC, titanium and Gold are in between

Profit

[cobalt rivet]

profit you say?

[scenic parrot]

Average cargo/mining enjoyer

[marble crater]

lmao

[cerulean lichen]

Well yah obviously 😅 I have no shame!

[compact depot]

Wish I could just shoot a rocket and crack open the rocks. Would save so much time.

[north oyster]

Rich Kitty is closer what miners and traders are @scenic parrot

Right @thin escarp 🙂

[thin escarp]

yeah i'll laugh and count my money while you jump around looking for us.

[compact depot]

New to mining. It says I'm full but the shop says I don't have anything to sell??

[cerulean lichen]

So what class do you guys think the cutlass black fits in best? Light cargo, light transport, or maybe armored light cargo/transport like a armored truck?

[worthy scroll]

It's classified as medium freight (also fighter), that seems to suite it pretty well.

[vocal lava]

Could anyone help me with cargo or atleast money wise so I can get a 890J before wipe it is my dream ship and want atleast a couple hours to fly it

[real axle]

You’ll enjoy flying it for a few hours then hate life because the thing is a whale and practically useless lol

[warped python]

any idea where to sell slam all the terminals I look for are outdated and have been removed?

[vestal ravine]

Did you try the no questions asked terminal on Cru l5? I think that's right...others can confirm.

[vestal ravine]

Grim Hex

[misty coyote]

Admin at Grim hex might

[warped python]

I’ve checked cru l5 and it seems they have removed the locker room as well as the one I hru l5

[north oyster]

If you have a Prospector, you can only sell the raw material you mined at a refinery. Refineries are found ARC-L1, CRU-L1, MIC-L1, HUR-L1 and HUR-L2

New PTU build probably today

[north oyster]

Suppose to be CRU-L4 and CRU-L5. SC Trade Tools show CRU-L4 as the bigger buyer

[misty coyote]

Is there any point on upgrading the components on an Argo RAFT?

Besides the weapons.....

[deep vector]

Xl1 is a must

Weapons useless

[misty coyote]

2 S3 Repeaters is something on the remote turret....

Better than nothing

[north oyster]

The QT and shields maybe. I don't if the components besides the QT engines have been tweaked or not. I think all components are still flatlined until they can be optimized

[compact depot]

Awesome, thank Pervy Sage.

[cerulean lichen]

So excited for this wipe! I’m all set with a plan of mining and trade now it’s just a wait.

[misty coyote]

Yeah same.... Like the game is on pause.....

[cerulean smelt]

for the mole, are the bottom thrusters bugged? they dont seem to work much at all unless I boost

or is that just a feature of the thicc boi miner ship

[north oyster]

Are you switching into VTOL mode?

[cerulean smelt]

I end up having to just to increase altitude and not plummet to a planets surface

even despite coupled mode being on

first time driving one so dont know much about the feel of it yet tbh

[marble crater]

Hit K to turn on vtol in the Mole for when you need to hover in spot or do vertical take offs

[vocal lava]

The most risky cargo I have ever done

a full c2 of laranite

[worthy scroll]

Heh, I picked up a full load with my Cat on the PTU. Then couldn't store the ship, only claim it. Sold fine though.

[deep vector]

It’s just outdated balancing

[north oyster]

As a rule, the only Laranite you will find in bulk will be on the PTU

All commodities are in bulk on the PTU because very few players trade, etc

This PTU might have a little more competition because of the starting aUEC

[shadow hawk]

Hey I’m new. Is there a way to tell how much a station will buy of a commodity (the demand) before they stop buying it?

[little cliff]

https://uexcorp.space/trade

This is a handy tool I use often

As far as I know, there isn’t a way in game to track that info. I could be wrong tho

[misty coyote]

The journal will show some info in mobi

[north oyster]

short answer NO
tldr: Trade isn't in a good place right now and it only favors the largest ships in the game. The cargo refactor (3.18) will change everything about trade as Quantum becomes more integrated into the fabric of the SC Universe.

[cobalt rivet]

switched from Helix to Lancet,
the difference

why even have Helix

literally just lancet and surge

mining is still boring af, I hope the bunkers contracts arent swamped

[vocal lava]

nope its PU

[cobalt rivet]

how many workorders can be put at a single station

[gaunt fiber]

I’ve never seen a max… I think it’s as many as you want

[cobalt rivet]

[sacred raptor]

i believe at some point the cost will be more dynamic based on workload but there is no max that i'm aware of. i've had 20+ at times

[cobalt rivet]

that prob more than I am willing to do at any one time, but good to know

prob do two full loads on a prospector and then fk around the rest of the day

[viscid hazel]

how much money can one make with roc mining?

[gaunt fiber]

full load of Hadinite gets you around 280K in the ROC

but usually the ROC breaks down before you can fill it up

[viscid hazel]

Can it be repaired?

[gaunt fiber]

yes

on any pad

[viscid hazel]

I was thinking of trying mining post wipe.

Already have FL

[gaunt fiber]

ROC mining is worth trying

it’s far easier to find gemstones than Quantanium in a Prospector/Mole

[cobalt rivet]

finding quantanium is easy, finding a 40%+ rock not so much

but either ways if you do mining you gotta start somewhere, unless you pledged a prospector and cargo ship at get go

all I got is a Cutty, I might just rent a ROC until I can afford one

then work my way to a prospector

kinda sucks you cant upgrade a rental

[sacred raptor]

i wouldn't waste the money renting a ROC unless you just hate everything else. run monitor missions for 45 minutes and you'll have enough to buy one

[cobalt rivet]

how much is a ROC ingame

[sacred raptor]

172K

[cobalt rivet]

lel nvm, I can get that much in 3 bunkers

[sacred raptor]

yeah even faster

[cobalt rivet]

how much is prospector ingame

[sacred raptor]

2.1m

ground vehicles in general are cheap. i think nova probably the most expensive and it's under 600k

[cobalt rivet]

my first purchase will be a PTV

so I can go beep beep on moon

damn this wipe

got me demotivated

needs to happen already

honestly I might just do bunkers and skip ROC mining I forgot you gotta make runs to and fro to sell the rocks

versus just cargo dumping in refinery/tdd

unless you can just sell straight from the ROC

[gaunt fiber]

you can sell straight from the ROC

it can even be in your ship while you sell from it

[viscid hazel]

Sounds lazy enough for me. :)

[celest parrot]

I'm not 100% sure this the best place to ask, but, I've been playing again after a long break. I've been doing the mission where I need to go to the destroyed starbase and pick up the package (for 5000 credits) and deliver it. About 1/2 the time it works great I go to one of those yellow drop off places, click the drop off, it opens and I get paid.

But the other half, I go to one, click it and it says "Not Found". After that happens, I have no idea what to do, so I've been abandoning and logging out in frustration.

Is that mission just buggy?

[onyx crow]

Check out the first pin in #helpdesk for some of the current bugs of the patch

to know what to avoid and/or look out for

[celest parrot]

Thanks! Well, that explains it.

[royal oasis]

So, I want to grease through quant mining. For the sake of simplicity, I'll list all the stuff I already know. I do know how to get to those Halo things, as well as their locations, I know how to scan and mine rocks, and I know how to pilot without blowing up my ship. I know how to refine, but that's about it when it comes to refining, I don't know how to choose the best one. Finally, I have Star Citizen installed on an SSD, get out of my head.
My question is, what is the setup I'll need for my prospector (no consumables), how do I find a rock that I know will fill my cargo space with quant from afar, do I really need to go to one of the four primary residences to sell this stuff, and how long does the whole process take?
Let's say, I want to make 1 big cheese. One morbillion. A million aUEC. How long would that process take, with optimal refining, balancing time, refining cost, and yield, as well as stacking refining orders? Just the work and waiting together, including the extra runs for the other orders, how fast could I hit that mark?
Thanks,

[sacred raptor]

a prospector with a lancet head should be able to solo crack every rock in the halo currently. modifications are not required.
for finding an appropriately sized rock, a 5k mass 32% quant rock perfectly cracked is 32SCU. if you can find one 35-40%+ that is obviously ideal. personally i do not waste a lot of time finding that "perfect" rock. if i find something quickly that is a lesser percentage then i just grab it. "bird in the hand..." and all that. it's up to you to determine the threshold that fits your playstyle

[onyx crow]

That is the #'s you're looking for when trying to filll the prospector

[royal oasis]

ah, thanks

so, in a sesh of 4-6h, would you say i could acquire 1m aUEC? or even more?

[sacred raptor]

you should be able to get 2-3m in that time unless you have absolutely atrocious luck

[royal oasis]

holy smokes

quant mining it is

[sacred raptor]

if you're very new and don't know the groupings and stuff you won't make that much

[royal oasis]

what, the 5k= 1 rock, 15k= 3 crack rock?

[sacred raptor]

personally, i stick to lyria as i find it easier to get what makes me happy there, i know the groupings well, and the scenery is way better

[royal oasis]

oh

what about Halo 2?

i heard there's one from Hur-L4 to Arc-L1

like those things

[sacred raptor]

some people swear by halo, others by lyria. if you want to try halo then go for it. halo will be "safer"

[royal oasis]

as in i have a smaller chance of being ganked by an invisible rock?

[sacred raptor]

pirates

allegedly

here's the halo density survey. it's from 3.16 but perhaps it's still accurate. i don't see one for 3.17
https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/65-aaron-halo-detailed-shape-and-density-survey

[royal oasis]

i have a friend to operate protection, let's just say pirates are the least of my concern

[sacred raptor]

here we go this is what i was looking for

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[royal oasis]

i mean, kaboom! blam! pow! hearing them say "You're not half b-" and then get cut off by the sound of their ship fucking collapsing in itself

[royal oasis]

oh, i'll check it out right now

[sacred raptor]

those routes are also from 3.16. no idea if they're still good for 3.17. like i said i mostly stick to lyria. haven't done any halo mining this cycle

[royal oasis]

i'll try out that, and then lyria or whatever it's named see what fits my playstyle, probably both, because i like combat as well as peacefulness

and one last question

[royal oasis]

Who is Aaron Halo, and why are people calling him dense?

[sacred raptor]

[royal oasis]

so do you recommend going for HHL or HLH?

i didn't specify that

obviously high yield errday, but pay money or wait it out?

[onyx crow]

I always go for the Dinyx

if I'm not in a pinch

[royal oasis]

how long does that take

[onyx crow]

depends on the load

[sacred raptor]

either ferron or dinyx. ferron takes about 14 hours for a perfect quant load. it's what i usually use

if we're in the eve before a patch you can run pyro to make sure you don't have orders tied up since patches will reset any refining jobs

with a wipe pending it doesn't matter since everything will go poof

[onyx crow]

with the wipe pending so closely, or at least it feels close, I haven't felt like mining

[royal oasis]

wait, system jumping cancels jobs, or are you saying i shouldnt queue jobs during a patch

[royal oasis]

oh yeah this is for after wipe

[sacred raptor]

if you have refining jobs running, any normal patch will clear them out

[onyx crow]

for sure

[sacred raptor]

so the goal would be to sell everything before the patch

[onyx crow]

I can't wait for this wipe lol

[sacred raptor]

same

[royal oasis]

so, other than 14 hr initial investment, pretty much 2m per hr?

[sacred raptor]

no

[royal oasis]

well if i keep a rythm

[sacred raptor]

you said 4-6 hours earlier which is where i said 2-3m if you know what you're doing and don't have terrible luck

[royal oasis]

oh yeah, that's what i mean sorry

[sacred raptor]

500k/hr should be pretty easy

up to 750k/hr+ with some luck and skill

[royal oasis]

yeah that's more than enough, i wanted 250k/h initially

anyways thanks for help

[sacred raptor]

i don't time myself on runs normally because i don't like the pressure of trying to min/max. what i have timed though i seem to get a good rock into the refinery in 15-20 minutes most of the time.

obviously there will be outliers

sometimes i will QT on top of a 40% rock. other times i'll search for 30-45 minutes and nothing better than 10%

[royal oasis]

basically RNGesus

[marble crater]

Halo is a great spot to learn, won't run into anyone and you can crack all the rocks with a Lancet head (i like to bring Surge still). Lyria is great but you will run into larger rocks as well that need specialized loadouts/techniques if you want to go for them

You cannot tell from a distance how much Quant is in a rock, only if the rock is Q type

[royal oasis]

like, better mining lasers or heads? or more along the lines of a Mole?

[sacred raptor]

active items

[marble crater]

Dumping 2 Surge charges to get enough power fo rlarge rocks then activating Stampede the moment it hits the top of the green bar then a Support module (eg Optimum) to help get through the initial crack (for rocks over 6T). It's a process solo

[sacred raptor]

surge/stampede specifically

and if you don't time the double charge of surge correctly and overcharge you go poof

[marble crater]

You get to avoid all of that in the Halo

just zap rock

[sacred raptor]

⏫

[royal oasis]

yeah i just played a ton of Isaac, so anything involving specific builds will probably send me to a psych ward

[marble crater]

I prefer Lyria myself but Halo is the spot to learn

[royal oasis]

once i know, all the stress is gone, that's how life is

but for starters i'll try halo

[marble crater]

best way is to just get out there with a Prossy + Lancet MH1 and have a go. once you do a loop of the process you'll have answered all your questions

[royal oasis]

thanks. but what about a mining head? just keep it stock, or are lasers and heads the same?

[marble crater]

Lancet MH1

[sacred raptor]

you need a lancet for quant. the stock won't cut it

lancet is cheap though. ~20k

[marble crater]

Stock is aweful, makes the rental Prossy next to useless

[royal oasis]

i thought lancet was the lazer module

[sacred raptor]

make sure it's the size 1 head too. size 2 is for the mole and won't work on the prospector

[marble crater]

here's the latest in how to scan in the Halo(doesn't work on Lyria) to avoid dud rocks and find Quant from 12km out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLOx_bfg_eM&t=448s

[royal oasis]

this guy on youtube was doing a tutorial, but he was taking pride in how he never cuts or edits his videos, but it's like 35 minutes, and 25 of those are useless, and after he already told me to get the lancet, he says "I'll show you which mining head to get, that's important" so i though they were different things

[royal oasis]

there are still unscannable rocks?

[marble crater]

yep and there will be more unscannables until server meshing is out. was confirmed by the devs

tied to server health

[royal oasis]

🗿 top tier development prioritization

[marble crater]

it's more that what's in game exceeds what a 1 server setup can cover

[royal oasis]

makes sense. server meshing is crucial at this point

[sacred raptor]

there are a lot of annoyances in game that are tied to server health

[marble crater]

yeah it goes waaaay beyond dud rocks lol

[royal oasis]

like all of the AI in the system having a collective braincell count of -3?

[sacred raptor]

yep that's another one

[marble crater]

but they're trying to push through and add what they can for the sake of progression

[sacred raptor]

i had the horrifying experience of doing a bunker on a fresh server once. i died pretty quickly

mostly because it was a surprise

[royal oasis]

i play insurgency sandstorm competitively

[sacred raptor]

had i realized it i would have died less quickly but probably still died because the AI was really terrifyingly good

[royal oasis]

😎 probably the most pretentious thing ive said but i think i'll be fine

[marble crater]

unfortunately the Ai doesn't abide by regular fps gameplay lol. the level of jank in SC will catch you out at some point

[royal oasis]

oh yeah, i have died to absolute gank fights where the enemies emerge from cover in a single tick, crank a couple 90s like a greaselord, and then 360 noscope me like the sweats they are, all within half a second obviously

[marble crater]

yeah they don't run, they teleport while still shooting lol

[sacred raptor]

and when the enemies don't, the friendlies will teleport into your line of fire

[royal oasis]

i wouldn't be surprised if they hit a clip at this point

[sacred raptor]

i failed 4-5 bunkers in a row the other night

god i got so tilted

[royal oasis]

on copium?

[sacred raptor]

"i can't end the night on a bad note"

[royal oasis]

they also shot me for teabagging a dead body and then shooting it, which i don't know if they adding being a butthurt bitch boy snowflake into the game, but i personally think is insensitive to me and the rest of the BDSM community

anyways, thanks for all the help, cheers.

[north oyster]

You are aware that the new 3.17.2 patch will wipe all refinery jobs, right? Just making sure

[rugged axle]

But the answer is as many as you can find

I quit mining when they announced the wipe lol. Just been doing bunkers and bounties. Finally hit tier 5 on the bonus payout last night.

[north oyster]

Nice thing is that the reputation you earn will persist

[marble crater]

did a bit of ROC mining in ptu and seemed super smooth

[north oyster]

Awesome to hear. Regular Prospector mining is good also

"smooth" wasn't a word we could use for a long time in this build

[marble crater]

smooth isn't a word you can use in most builds lol

[north oyster]

I could be 100% wrong but if this last patch is stable, we might have one more PTU patch, but I can see this going Live between today and Friday

[marble crater]

I had a good session on the patch before the busted elevators and was 80+ player count for 2 hours with no issues. was amazing

[north oyster]

It all depends on how the Seige of Orison went last night

[cobalt rivet]

Yea i was just testing stuff

[north oyster]

I think I had about 30 refinery jobs running at one time - first and last time of filling up a C2. I don't care to have that much stress in one delivery again!

[cerulean lichen]

All 30 of those quant?

[cobalt rivet]

Thats all im gonna do when i get the prospector

[north oyster]

All Quantainium, If I recall it was about 6M aUEC trip

[cobalt rivet]

is there anyway to trade cargo with players?

[sacred raptor]

not currently

[misty coyote]

Oh now see that's why I like hauling...

All of the flight combat or bunkers combined don't have the freak out factor of carrying 6m creds in your ships...

Given the amount of stupid crashes I've done in the last few days.

[cerulean lichen]

Damn!! Can’t wait to get a prospector after the wipe to start working towards hauls like that

[north oyster]

I'm not a stress junky any longer, so I normally only stack about 8 to 10 before hauling to market

This is my Dream Carrier ... just hoping she will grow a little more because I'd like to carry the Expanse, the Prospector and the Vulture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8yTHduCMNc

[cerulean lichen]

I was doing 3 full prospectors full of refined quant before hauling them to market

[north oyster]

that's a good number. I normally use a smaller ship like the Taurus that physically limits me from carrying too much at one time. I keep my C2 parked somewhere else to avoid the temptation

LOL, I think I watched that Liberator video about 5 times

[kind musk]

Not a lot of weapons on that thing, seems like it’ll definitely need escort ships

[north oyster]

MOTD for PTU: (Thursday) Hello there! We are working on a possible new build for release later today but in the mean time, we will be running Siege of Orison on the PTU Today for about 4 hours starting at 11:00 CDT | 16:00 UTC!

[stray spoke]

can an avenger titan fit a graycat?

/ roc

[scarlet sinew]

No

Smallest ship for a ROC is a nomad iirc

[stray spoke]

yea ok

[cerulean lichen]

It’s an interesting ship. While I’d probably never pledge one I’d most certainly look at grinding for one once it’s added. Seems like the perfect ship base

[north oyster]

I agree, getting it in game is the best route and my original plan. I did finally get a CCU from the Endeavor to the Liberator because it was more inline with what I wanted from game play

[burnt lodge]

Hey is the mole fixed in the new patch?

[stray spoke]

where is the best place to mine around crusader?

[north oyster]

Yes, it is fixed and working in x.2 patch

[north oyster]

Prospector or ROC mining? For Prospector, all the moons of Microtech have Quan deposits but the environment weather conditions are pretty rough

[burnt lodge]

Great thank you

[stray spoke]

does anyone wanna go mining with me, i accidently bought the 2 person graycat and i am poor now. we split 50/50.

[north oyster]

What's your SC handle, I'll send some funds for you to get another ROC and the Prospector

[stray spoke]

sc handle? is that my ingame name?

[north oyster]

yes

[stray spoke]

UselessMango

that is it

[ivory gust]

Just park next to the gems and switch seats, you don't need a second person

[north oyster]

give me a minute, I have to remote into my home computer

[stray spoke]

it needs a person in the driver seat to work

[ivory gust]

No it doesn't?

[stray spoke]

it does, i tried like 20 min to get it to work

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory gust]

Laser wouldn't turn on even in mining mode?

[stray spoke]

like the screen was powerd off, i tried clicking 'r'

also checked with: right click + f

[ivory gust]

R from driver seat, then probably need to click a button somewhere on the mining seat's panel to turn on (using f)

Not right click

[north oyster]

Funds wired @stray spoke

[stray spoke]

wait wtf 3mil!, thanks man!

[ivory gust]

Yes, way to go, just buy people out of their problems instead of teaching them how to play the game

[north oyster]

3.17.2 might go LIVE today or tomorrow, so it might be short lived 🙂

[ivory gust]

Hold F, move mouse up to top row above the panel, find Power On, then left click

[stray spoke]

i did not know i would get so much

[north oyster]

I've think I've guided and instructed a few souls over the years

[ivory gust]

So why not guide and instruct this one on how to use the thing he already had?

[north oyster]

Because the ROC-DS is a piece of garbage and I'd rather burn them to the ground than look at them

So a chance to see one not get used is exciting

[ivory gust]

Learning how to interact with panels is far more valuable than having a normal roc for the couple of days until the wipe

[stray spoke]

i know how that works

[ivory gust]

Evidently not

[stray spoke]

i do

[ivory gust]

Hold F, mouse around until you find the power on button, then LEFT click

[stray spoke]

yea thats what i know

[ivory gust]

And you didn't do this in the roc ds's mining seat (after turning it on in the driver's seat) because...?

[stray spoke]

i did all that

[ivory gust]

Dunno what you missed then, but it definitely doesn't need someone sitting in the driver seat to use the mining laser

but yes, the roc DS is garbage in general, go grab a normal one and go from there

[north oyster]

I've not been in a DS but I would think that the Miner pod is much like the turret on a MOLE or gunship, so it does have to be powered up.

[north oyster]

Red Monster SC does a good review of 3.17.2 patch from a mining perspective. Worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NBlr_Kxt4

Also, from today's patch
Hercules Starlifter variants should no longer spawn with the MFD’s pre-set to show two targeting MFDs rather than showing target & self status hurray!

[cobalt rivet]

Anyone know cost of hurricane off top their head

[native slate]

1.2 mil

!erkul

[cobalt rivet]

Nice

[wary tusk]

#DPSCalculator

• Calculator • Shops • Ships • Weapons •

[native slate]

check there for the accurate price

[cobalt rivet]

I know bout erkul was looking for quick answer 🙂

[native slate]

Ah ok

[lyric nest]

what was wrong with the mole? what has been fixed?

[sacred raptor]

It couldn’t extract this patch

[marble crater]

extracting is a handy feature

[cobalt rivet]

whats difference between ROC DS and ROC

[ivory gust]

ROC DS is crap. It moves the mining functionality to a second seat, so the driver gets to sit there and pick their nose while the miner does the work.

It's also bigger than the normal ROC, so can't be carried in all the same ships.

It is strictly worse than the normal one with no actual benefit.

[cobalt rivet]

capacity?

Also which mining laser should I get

for ROC

[ivory gust]

You can't change the mining laser on the roc

And yes, you're correct that the DS does have 4x the cargo capacity of the normal one, but that's not really worth the tradeoffs

It would be interesting if they also gave the driver a mining laser, or at least extraction

[cobalt rivet]

im guessing the ROC DS wont fit in a cutty

[ivory gust]

Haven't tried, but probably can't fit given how tight the normal one is

[cobalt rivet]

gonna try it LOL

pppfftt

it loks like it fits

tje, tores

tires

def does not fit XD

dont try this with your ROC DS and Cutty

I dont think its coming out

[marble crater]

ewww roc ds

[undone palm]

Any idea to trade? I mean is it still the worst income in the vers?

I have carrack/star runner as the highest cargo carriers

[ivory gust]

Not the worst but not really worth it in anything less than a Caterpillar or C2

[rain lava]

Carrack is really ok imo

[lyric nest]

should i get a c2 or a mole & raft?

[rain lava]

In game or pledge

Both can be cool it depends what you want to do ?

[marble crater]

depends how much you enjoy multi crew mining

[undone palm]

But Whit the assets I have?

[undone palm]

Any idea of good trading routes?

[north oyster]

There are a couple of decent ones if you have a large ship.

Scrap from Area 18 to ARC-L1 is about a 28K fast run. Then Gold from Humbolt to A18 TDD.

Titanium from Bezdek to Lorville CBD

And Astatine from Ida to Lorville CBD

[rain lava]

No sorry

I didn’t have made cargo in a long time

[lyric nest]

pledge, i currently own a c2 but the mole and raft combo for mining and refining transport is kinda op

[lyric nest]

i solo mine with the mole

[rain lava]

If you solo mine prospector is better imo

But if you want the mole wait until he work again

In 3.17.1 he don’t work

[marble crater]

also with the scanning changes in 3.17 solo mole is going to be rough

[lyric nest]

whats all being changed?

[nova elm]

And? In one week it's going to work.

[marble crater]

the boxes don't show how many rocks are there until 300 metres. you can however get that info from a mining head at range

but you'll need someone in the turret

[rain lava]

True

[lyric nest]

i see, well i could get a prospector, raft combo. idk tho i feel limited when flying the prospector tbh

[nova elm]

That's a good point.