industrial-professions

[toxic citrus]

Cargo ships are only good for quant runs

Cargo in its self pays like shit

[jade holly]

For now

[obtuse sand]

got it

will cargo refactor change up prices or the loop in a way that might make it more lucrative?

[toxic citrus]

Most likely

[obtuse sand]

hmm, by then they’re probably gonna do a full ship anyway

[toxic citrus]

Who knows

[obtuse sand]

what’s a good ship for doing quant selling runs?

[toxic citrus]

We might have Hull B by then

[toxic citrus]

Any big cargo ship

You wanna be able to jam as much quant in as possible

[obtuse sand]

C2 it is

[toxic citrus]

C2 and Cat are good ones

[obtuse sand]

oh yeah i was thinking about the cat

it’s a very nice ship but the poor vehicle compatibility kinda led me away from it

[toxic citrus]

Mmh

I personally like the look of Cat

But C2 can haul more

[jade holly]

Oh, yeah, me and my friend did a quant run in the cat. It blew up on landing

[toxic citrus]

Sounds like pilot issue

Probably

[jade holly]

It really wasnt

It spazzed out when it landed

[toxic citrus]

Hmm

I will probably buy the Cat anyway lmfao

Gotta get a fatlancer first tho

I really need a quant runner desperately rn

[jade holly]

Just black cutty it

[toxic citrus]

Eh

I was thinking that, but nah

Ill just rent one and do multiple runs and then buy a fatlancer

[jade holly]

Sounds like a plan

[toxic citrus]

Mmh

Just waiting for .17

Dont wanna risk it

[hardy mesa]

I love cargo runs not the best for credits but hey do what you like

[toxic citrus]

Mmh

[jade holly]

I like stacking boxes 👀

[hardy mesa]

Can't wait for hull b

[jade holly]

No lateral thrust

Gonna be interesting

[rancid bane]

Hey guys, got a question about roc mining/handling in 3.17. Someone in game chat made the claim that roc and hand mining would be easier because they would show up on pings at a greater distance. Is there any truth to this? Spent about an hour looking over patch notes and couldn't find the answer.

[toxic citrus]

Apparently they show up at a 2km range now

[rancid bane]

@toxic citrus nice, does that include hand minables?

[toxic citrus]

Should

[rancid bane]

That's amazing. I was just telling some people how much scanning for hand minables made me want to off myself

[gilded onyx]

Can ya'll give me some tips for finding actual quant rocks on Lyria?

[thin escarp]

@real axle def can show ya how to get close to 500k an hour in thr prospector.

@gilded onyx I can send you my scouting guide

[gilded onyx]

Please do

[light moon]

I would love to learn aswell

started mining a few days ago

[rancid bane]

@thin escarp shoot it to me as well thanks.

[thin escarp]

I gotchu

[simple river]

Could u send it to me as well?

[thin escarp]

@simple river for sure dm me

[jaunty hearth]

Hey, does anybody have a list of the planet outposts that are busted? Just so I know where to avoid when trying to do trading runs

[hardy mesa]

For me wala in general I get stuck in quantum every time

[idle blade]

Hook me up

[real axle]

I’ll take the offer. Thanks 🙂

[spiral charm]

What button fires the mining laser pulse thing to bump up the power or whatever?

idk its name

[hoary olive]

LMB to fiya tha lazaaa....then use scroll up on mouse wheel to accelerate the power

But you also need the attachment for the little mining laser the Orbit I believe

[lime musk]

Is there currently a bug with rental prospectors? I rented one earlier and tried it out. It wouldnt allow me to use the laser. I pressed M to enter mining mode, then scanned a rock to see its contents but the laser wouldnt turn on or let me increase its power

[thin escarp]

@lime musk rental prospector is trash

[lime musk]

Was just testing wether i would like mining or not

[pastel musk]

Can you please send this to me as well

[pastel musk]

Send me this pls sorry i responded to the wrong message

[ruby mango]

quant mining? Im interested

can a rental prospector even mine quant

[light flare]

Yes. Tho takes forever yo heat up a rock

And only small mass rocks

[deep vector]

Instability ew

[light flare]

Lol

U might as well be rubing the rock with your hands trying to heat it up

[deep vector]

Reminds me of solo cracking 7+ with lancet without modules

[thin escarp]

@ruby mango don't donit

[quick sand]

Can you use a Mole for solo mining or just stick with the Prospector

[hardy mesa]

You can it takes some skill and if you overcharge the rock you can't run

[rotund prairie]

so if i mine stuff but don't refine it, will i still have it after th patch?

[toxic citrus]

Nope

[rotund prairie]

kk ty

[toxic citrus]

any cargo in ship inventories is wiped

[deep vector]

You can, and in 3.17 definitely can

[deep vector]

That’s why full shields every time))

[empty kite]

Not possible without assistance

[deep vector]

Yep

[dusk steppe]

why do you say definitely in 3.17? did something change?

[toxic citrus]

Mining gadgets.

[young flare]

Is it better to rent ships and the save up for a decent one? I’m relatively new and already have prospector. Just not a cargo ship to sell my items

[deep vector]

Gadgets

[deep vector]

Cargo you may rent

Save for fatlancer

[young flare]

So keep on renting untill I can afford the fatlancer 👀

[deep vector]

Just after patch collect a couple runs of cargo ship before renting one

Then rent Connie and cash in couple millions

[young flare]

What’s a Connie? 😅

[deep vector]

Constellation series

Large ships with capacity from 96 to 174 scu

For refinery runs 174 better, Taurus it is

[young flare]

Alright..tyvm for your help 👌🏽

[north oyster]

This might be helpful. A rental prospector is a great trainer. Also you fill find you can break larger rocks in the Asteroid field than you can on planet surfaces. Do not try to go for Quantainium, but rather look for anything above Agricium. & Laranite. Bexilite is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTjNnzHqO8

[north oyster]

Like Immortalfox said, you can rent to move your refined jobs. The Freelancer MAX carries 120 SCU and the cheapest cost per SCU of any midlevel haulers. It also makes a fantastic ROC escort.
please remember that all refinery jobs will get wiped with the new patch, clear all your jobs as soon as you can

Freelancer MAX just cost a little over 2.1M aUEC. Not too shabby

[young flare]

Ah okay tyvm for the info

[cerulean lichen]

Can’t wait to go ROC mining after the update. My biggest issue was nodes stuck inside terrain and that has been fixed from what I have heard

[arctic haven]

will an ROC-D fit in the hold of a cutlas?

[deep vector]

Should

Cutty can fit three regular rocs

[north oyster]

No, the ROC-DS will not fit in the Cutty.
I found this on Reddit: As others have stated the ROC-DS effectively has the same footprint as an URSA rover. So in order to carry the ROC-DS around you'd need something with a larger cargobay like the Constellation, Valkyrie, Mercury, etc. Basically all the ships that were advertised/shown to be able to carry an URSA rover will also be able to carry a ROC-DS instead.

I would not recommend the ROC-DS for anything at all unless you picked one up as an LTI token. As a functional ship in the 'verse, I honestly think it was created just to garner up some cashflow

[real smelt]

anyone want to mine some QUAN together ?

[idle blade]

Patch coming any day now. Not many people going to be mining

[north oyster]

The patch will wipe all refinery jobs, so to avoid loosing all that effort most everyone is holding off. Some of us lost millions of aUEC because of this wipe during upgrades.

[real smelt]

rip

[gilded onyx]

I mean you say that but the refiniery at L1 is at 90000% capacity

[north oyster]

LOL, I know right? I don't think the NPC's of Quanta world know when the user is going to download a new game

[gilded onyx]

I thought quanta wasn't in till 3.17

[north oyster]

ReBoot lingo from a long time ago. Yes, parts of Quanta will be introduced in 3.17

[gilded onyx]

Can I transfer cargo between my own ships?

Specifically I was thinking about using a lighter craft to haul goods to a central point, and load my carrack to carry it all at once

[silk ridge]

nope, not yet at least

[north oyster]

Like Sleepfish mentioned, the cargo is on a "grid" and locked. When the Cargo refactor happens (in theory) all cargo will be able to moved and manipulated at will. In fact, they are saying that cargo will be delivered to our hangers and we have to load the ships ourselves in the future, aka Soon(tm)

[gilded onyx]

Yeah, I noticed when I lowered the cargo bay on my Phoenix the cargo just floats there, and also I can walk through it

But I was hoping I could transfer it between ships either via the trade console or the mobi

[rotund prairie]

what are these slots for?

[pallid temple]

For mining modules

[toxic citrus]

Mining modules that you can buy around the verse

[rotund prairie]

do i need to go buy them before mining quant with this?

[toxic citrus]

Nope

But if you want to, sure

[rotund prairie]

what benefits do i stand to gain by getting modules?

[toxic citrus]

First of all, they are kinda risky since if the prospector explodes they are gone

The modules vary, some decrease stability

Or increase the optimal window

And ofc theres negatives to them too

[rotund prairie]

is there a meta module loadout for quant mining in a prospector?

am i massively missing out by not getting modules?

[toxic citrus]

Maybe this?

Theres 3 good loadouts in it

[toxic citrus]

Not necessarily

[rotund prairie]

ooh ty ty.

[toxic citrus]

Modules will just make your life a little easier or harder

[north oyster]

there is a guide pinned to this forum at the top

[glacial dagger]

The set up I personally prefer with a prospector is a Lancet I loaded up with 2x Rieger C3 and 1x Vaux C3

[rotund prairie]

cool thanks for all the tips guys

[glacial dagger]

Ends up with a +14 in Optimal charge window (the green zone) and -8 in instability (how much the power will fluctuate inside the rock)

[rotund prairie]

can i not mine quant without modules?

[toxic citrus]

You can.

[light moon]

The most meta is def surge and stampede and last one is mainly personal pref but you gotta be really careful or else you will blow yourself up

[glacial dagger]

You can, it's just modules can help provide support for different areas

Also, there are two categories of modules, active and passive. Active have 5 charges and will then be deleted after all uses, whereas passive can be used indefinitely but is less effective than their active counterparts. Be careful though, claiming a ship for transportation or destruction of vehicle will wipe any equipped modules, passive or active. The mining lasers are fine though

[north oyster]

I mine in Aaron's Halo and don't have to use any modules. I do use Surge just to speed it up. Lancet is really the only change you need.

[sleek root]

If i wanted to get into running cargo, where should i start?

[cold mauve]

How to multitool mining?

[north oyster]

With a Hercules C2 Starlifter

[north oyster]

once you have the multitool with the mining bit, you take a mission to locate a body for insurance, normally these are in caves.

[north oyster]

This is a pretty good tutorial from the king of Trade, Jack Axton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NxTYWawbvM

[cerulean lichen]

Do you guys watch or listen to anything while mining? I have found myself listening to Spotify a lot while roc mining

[hardy mesa]

I watch speedruns while mining and running cargo

[robust widget]

what are decent modules for mining quant. that dont cost a fortune

[marble crater]

Surge, Stampede, Brandt are some great cheap modules

[robust widget]

i blew up a ship with a lancet and now i dont have it anymore.. is that suppose to happen or is that a bug

[cerulean lichen]

Had my best haul in roc mining yet. Netted 160k in about 2 hours of mining on Daymar

[robust widget]

just got my first quant haul back to an L1 safely.. wasnt very big but i need to get down my route /timing

[austere void]

Is it worth running Cargo with an avenger titan?

[soft meadow]

Not really, you need to either rent a ship and do a bunch of cargo running to pay it off or do high-value commodity trading

You can buy commodities like Laranite in small amounts then sell to nearby areas, but with only 6 aUEC profit per unit you’d make like $50 profit lol

[austere void]

Yeah so not worth it 😁

I'll stick to bounty hunting

[green zealot]

do illegal monitors mission on microtech

easiest auec youll make

[austere void]

Oh yeah?

Won't I go to jail? 😂

[green zealot]

no?

you just have to destroy probes

[austere void]

Oh

I'll have to give it a shot. Thanks!

[green zealot]

yeah look up a tut on yt

[austere void]

Yeah doing that now. Thanks 😁😁

[green zealot]

anytime

[austere void]

That looks crazy easy lol

[green zealot]

it is

[cerulean lichen]

How is the prospector? Thinking of that as my next ship if I continue ROC mining, that or the freelancer max to do trading

[marble crater]

Prospector is amazing if you enjoy mining

[queen glen]

which spaceport carries the lancet mining laser for the prospector?

[cerulean lichen]

Thing is I know I find ROC mining enjoyable, but don’t know if I’d fine ship mining enjoyable or not. Though I’m only at 800k right now so I got time to save. My cutlass and ROC give me good options for now

[soft meadow]

@cerulean lichen how much do you make per hour with a ROC/cutlass setup

[soft meadow]

Nevermind i googled it

[cerulean wyvern]

Hello people

I am looking to buy a ship where I can fit the Roc. I would go for a cutlass but I feel like something bigger.

[teal wing]

Freelancer MAX is a good ROC carrier, or if you want even bigger the MSR is pretty good (but there are a lot of doors between the cockpit and the hangar)...

Constellation series are also good, can get two ROCs on the belly elevator

[sacred loom]

Connie also would be better if u wana run Cargo or for carrying your quant

altho u need a big ship really for trading

But i love Taurus for Quant deliveries

[robust osprey]

yo man idk if you know this but the cutty is really good for roc mining, the other ships are large and awkward to fly/land in atmo as they have terrible translational movement (the ability to change direction and speed) which the cutty does excellently . cutty also has the smallest footprint and with some of the awkward as fuck ridges ect you have to land on to mine gems is a big boon. there is also no way to efficiently move cargo from the roc to a ship other than moving the thousands of hadanite single stacks one by one which wastes so much time you might as well just go empty the roc at a mining outpost by selling it so the cargo on the larger ships does not really help all that much. if you dont want the cutty for some other reason than these go for it but i just wanted to make sure you know why the cutty is a fan favourite for roc mining specifically

i didnt want to buy a cutty so i just rented one roc mined enough to get a prospector and now im clearing 3m+ in a day of mining

[austere void]

What exactly are you mining. And how long is a day? 😁😂

[robust osprey]

haha i didnt have a stop watch running but i mined for a few hours in the morning solo on the belt band 5, then did some shit around the house hopped back on and played with some buddies for a while longer. i only go for quant

i wasnt clearing 3 mil until i learned where in the belt to go and how to find the good rocks quicker

but now its easy to get at least 30-32 scu of quant in 20-40 minutes

[austere void]

🤨 share your secrets master

[stoic hawk]

1. go band 5 2) scan for a while 3) find a huge cluster of unscannable quant rocks 4) do this 4 more times 5) settle for a shitty 26% rock and go home crying

[robust osprey]

https://cstone.space/resources/knowledge-base/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes

[willow jackal]

Want to get the liberator, then carry the expanse and either Prospector or Vulture on it, and just live in space while filling the 400 ccu of cargo in the liberator 😄

[robust osprey]

if you cant scan just jump into qt a for a second and it fixes it, keep your qt for arc l1 or cru l4 set and just fly at that point and scan stuff on the way, stops you from recoving the same ground by accident

@austere void

[stoic hawk]

Ye I'm mostly meming, I was comfortably pulling full prospectors in every 45 mins or so last week, just scan bug 8s irritating

[robust osprey]

oh and check rocks with your mining laser only go and look at q type rocks @austere void

[robust osprey]

haha for sure, i actually misclicked replying to you, was supposed to be the dude above your comment

[austere void]

😁😁

Thanks for the tips. Sounds like I need to get into mining

[robust osprey]

hell yeah man good luck with it, oh and if you have a buddy in another prospector i would dou mine lyria instead, lyria sucks to solo mine though so only do with a homie

[north oyster]

You may already know this but are you aware that any refinery jobs you have running when 3.17 drops to LIVE will be erased? A wipe will happen to all jobs in the refinery.

[robust osprey]

i havent mined in two damn days because of this

sadge

[north oyster]

The Prospector is the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs kind of ship. If you get it first, even if you have to rent a cargo ship, it will pay for everything faster and quicker in aUEC earnings than anything else.

[north oyster]

I hear you, it is very frustrating. Last patch I lost a week of mining but I did do some quick ROC mining, trade and a few other things while wait for the patch to drop.

And it might not even drop no matter how much they want to push it because 3.17 is very rough still. It is a gamble

[robust osprey]

for sure, im dealing by grinding my bounty hunting up with my prospy i managed to buy a sentinel and a c2 both decked out 😄 almost at ERT's

[austere void]

How long it take to refine stuff?

[robust osprey]

using the best refining method (ferron) it takes 12-14 hours depending on how full your load is

[austere void]

Ouch

[robust osprey]

haha yeah i just mine and then ship it all in one go in my c2 or a rented conny before that

[lean valve]

Where are some good places tp mine in the ROC? I just bought a ROC and already own a cutty black.

I've only been playing a little bit so I don't know the verse that well.

[robust osprey]

roc mining is kinda pain right now before 3.17 but i would go to aberdeen

[north oyster]

The Freelancer MAX makes the best ROC escort of any ship in SC. You have a wonderfully wide ramp, the ship is small enough to allow to you get in to any spot for mining. It offers the best SCU to cost ratio of any ship in the game 120 SCU for only 2.1M aUEC. She is an awesome ship. I use her exclusively for ROC mining for a couple of years now

[austere void]

Where do you put it all while you go get the ship?

[lean valve]

Yeah i experieneced the pick up issue a few times. Only mined with friends I met in game teaching me a bit, today is my first solo venture into the verse

[north oyster]

Ferron is about 12 hours for a full Prospector load (32 SCU) of Quan

[robust osprey]

its all refining in arc l1 refinery

so i'll mine for the day, wake up get my c2 load it up fly to area 18 sell it all then go mining or bounty hunting

[austere void]

But isn't quant time limited?

[north oyster]

Hadinite is a hot planet product, so you'll find it on Daymar, Arial and also Aberdeen. Aberdeen is the best spot. I would recommend QT to orbital marker OM-1 and dive down to the surface. The reason you want to do it here is that it is sunlight 24/7

[north oyster]

only as raw

it is stable when refined

[austere void]

Yeah so I'm confused in the mining then transporting to refinery

[lean valve]

Ty I'll make a day of it!

[austere void]

What do you do to store it until you gave a good load to go refine

[north oyster]

Ok, I can help if you need some info

[lean valve]

There are some rocks that will fill an entire prospectors hold in one go.

[austere void]

Oh

[north oyster]

You mine it, you have 15 minutes, you run to the refinery, stow ship (stops timer) and then go refinery then

[robust osprey]

so you find a rock that will fill your whole cargo in one

[austere void]

Smart

Big brain energy

[robust osprey]

anything above 4000 mass and 37% quant

[north oyster]

Do you own a Prospector yet?

[cerulean lichen]

Maybe I will aim to get it then

[lean valve]

I'm working on one now. I've helped some players mine and find rocks to learn. Got some decent pay for helping too XD

[austere void]

Worth Renting a prospector? 😁

[lean valve]

No

[north oyster]

No, not really

[dusky dune]

How much do you get for a full Proc of Quantanium?

[lean valve]

You can't upgrade it to mine Quant.

[austere void]

Oh

[north oyster]

You can "make table" and earn back your rental cost but you can't do Quan mining

[robust osprey]

i think the fasted route to a prospector would be spamming illegal survalance missions

[dusky dune]

^

[robust osprey]

full load? its almost 300k

[dusky dune]

Noice

[north oyster]

Luck of the draw. You find a suitable rock or asteroid. I never worry about finding the "best" I will mine any and every asteroid over 18% because that is at least 180K aUEC rock

[robust osprey]

im a little more picky than that but my homies are the same as you @north oyster

im probably too picky haha

[north oyster]

If you refine properly (Ferron or Dinyx) and use CRU-L1 with the 3% Quantainium refining bonus, you will make roughly 278K aUEC for one load

[north oyster]

I go for ratio of averaging about $240K aUEC per trip

[austere void]

Jesus

I'm in the wrong business

[north oyster]

I've made 100's of million of aUEC mining

[austere void]

Hmm

Here I thought I was gonna be rich off of delivery missions. 😂😂😂

[north oyster]

But I also enjoy it, it is never a grind

[north oyster]

we all start there, and that's how I worked my way up

[dusky dune]

@austere void If you have an Aurora, put 4 guns on it and spam Illegal Monitor missions in microtech and thy give you lots of money

[lean valve]

@austere void I got lucky, I just asked in game chat some good ways to make money. An a guy was like, I need a guy for my mole, I'll pay you and teach you a few things. Here I am three days later just over 100k shy of my first mill.

[north oyster]

The trick with illegal monitors is to find all 3 monitors first!!

[austere void]

I got a titan 😁. But yeah someone mentioned that last night. Was gonna give it a whirl

Will rockets lock onto the monitors?

[austere void]

Yeah I was on a mole I guess with a buddy of mine. But timezones affect gameplay 😁😁

[north oyster]

Titan is a great ship, she will do ffine with those

[lean valve]

Yes you can hit them with rockets easy, lock 2 and fire.

[austere void]

Mint

[lean valve]

I had the Titan, then upgraded to the Cutlass Black to play with a IRL friend. Who then lost his job the next day, and realyl hasn't been able to play.

[north oyster]

there's a group here that does massive mining and they pay well also. So that is always a good option

[austere void]

That's 💩

[unique dome]

both of those ships are excellent for the space combat bounty hunting missions, which can bring in money as fast as mining does once you level up your bounty hunting rep and unlock VHRT bounties

[austere void]

Oh?

[north oyster]

If you are interested I can recommend someone and his Org that does a ton of mining. They literall clear about 20M aUEC a night when they mine

Only stipulation is 18+

[austere void]

That's not an issue 😁

[robust osprey]

man i must be grinding vhrt's wrong because im not making even close to what i make mining

[austere void]

I've been doing some bounty missions but can't get a mission worth more than 8000

[unique dome]

for vhrt single vhrt missions around yela are fast af, if you can do ERTs they pay out 100k

for the ERT groups, and thats also fast af if you have the right ship/setup to solo them, e.g. vanguard sentinel

with a cutty though, vhrt is going to be the fastest

[north oyster]

You want to speak with @thin escarp and his crew. They have one of the most advanced and effective mining ops going in this game

They provide training and pay equally for all participants

[austere void]

Mint

[dusky dune]

What do you need to join his crew tripperdan?

[austere void]

Went to do an ERT. Got blown to nothing 😂

[north oyster]

DM or tag Cross in this forum

[dusky dune]

Gotcha

[robust osprey]

i just unlocked ERT, what setup on the sent would you recomend?

[north oyster]

They are rocking over 400 members now but they are still focused on making things happening

[unique dome]

2x EVSD (distortion cannons), 2x MVSA (laser cannons) 1x M7A

[north oyster]

#flight-combat-racing is a good place for help with that

[austere void]

Wow. Just a few people 😳

[thin escarp]

@north oyster over a half billion auec in 2022

[lean valve]

😮

[austere void]

😳

[robust widget]

When is it suppose to drop?!

[austere void]

Soon ™️

[lean valve]

^

[north oyster]

that info would be worth a lot of money to Miners because we are all stopped in our tracks at the moment.

[lean valve]

So quick question, mining mode in a prospector stops ship movement controls right?

[north oyster]

no

[lean valve]

Dang, so I couldn't bind x and y on my hotas to control the mining laser

[robust widget]

I need the practice and $$ right now.. so I'll continue to mine even if I risk losing a few orders

[north oyster]

The basic modes do shift some controls but it does not stop axis control

[north oyster]

I hear you, that's a path many of us walk... almost like having a million wrapped up in cargo knowing a 30K is brealthing down your neck

[austere void]

Isn't there protection for that?

[north oyster]

Ferron is maybe your best bet, but that is still 10 yrs or so

[north oyster]

Now there is, but that wasn't always the case

[austere void]

Ah

[robust widget]

I thought they fixed that

[north oyster]

Heartbeat is now implemented, nice interim concept to hold us over until a real fix happens

[austere void]

Knock on wood... I've never had a 30k

[north oyster]

Bless your little virgin heart

[lean valve]

What's a 30k?

[north oyster]

3.17 will be a baptism by fire guys

[lean valve]

Crap now they all know I'm a virgin..

[austere void]

Guess I'm not the only one 😁😁

[lean valve]

I've been playing a week as of today.... I've been baptised daiyly...

[north oyster]

Yeah, 30k is the ban of alpha testing, it will tap you on the shoulder very soon

ah, yes, the game does have a steep learning curve, I agree. But it is worth it imo

[austere void]

I've had it a week. But only a few hours of playtime

[lean valve]

So my first hour or so was great, walking around learning things. Then I thought I'd try my new HOTAS and fly... Loaded a profile I grabbed off the RSI site, and tried buttons. First button turned the ship on, I thought ok this is good. Next button sent my butt ejecting into the ceiling....

[north oyster]

find Buzzzkiller, he has some awesome keybind suggestions

[lean valve]

In the last week I've probably put in 50+ hours...

[austere void]

That's not bad. I found a guy who was showing me the ropes. Showed me how to get to my ship. Was telling me how to get into it and my PC crashed 😂

[north oyster]

I run dual sticks, really love the 6x axis control of freedom

[lean valve]

Doesn't the X56 have 6 axis? or is that different?

[robust osprey]

damn duel stick sounds nice

[north oyster]

I got the low cost Thrustmaster 16000TM units, they have been a blast

[austere void]

What's the point to dual sticks

[north oyster]

sorry, I don't know about those

[austere void]

What do you need all that for?

[north oyster]

you can control all 6 axis of flight at one time

[lean valve]

Ah, then yes, I have that.

[austere void]

Hmm

[lean valve]

Up/down, left/right, roll left/roll right all on the stick.

[austere void]

Interesting

[north oyster]

An example is that one time I was attacked by an Ion leaving an outpost. I was in a C2 Hercules. I was able to do a corkscrew rolling climb out of the atmosphere and the ship never landed one shot

[austere void]

What the hell lol

[lean valve]

Where do I get my ROC out at on Aberdeen? I only know of the place on Daymar.

[north oyster]

Any outpost that has a Platinum bay pads

There are two, forgot names, give me a second

Anderson and Norgard

Do Not go near Klescher

[austere void]

🤔🤨

[lean valve]

Roger

[north oyster]

that's the prison, you will get a crime stat and be shot

[lean valve]

TYSM for the info!

[north oyster]

Also, FYI, every planet has orbital markers aka OM-1 etc

OM-1 is on the north pole of the planet.

[austere void]

Well shit. That's good to know

[north oyster]

It is ALWAYS daylight under OM-1

QT to OM-1 and dive down to planet from there

it'll take about 4 minutes to get to surface

[lean valve]

Will do!

[toxic citrus]

Any rocks for sale?

[cerulean wyvern]

Alright I'll take your message in consideration during my purchase

[cerulean wyvern]

Yeah. I had the Max and back then it had no light functions and I was like a mole trying to see anything at night time. that experience left a bad aftertaste. But Imma calculate the Scu to cost ratio in the pledge store as well. Did not think of doing that before

[robust osprey]

honestly mang i'd just rent while roc mining and then buy a prospy

[lean valve]

It's 1k meters and below to find ROC ore right?

[austere void]

what is ROC?

[north oyster]

for 3.16, it will change big time in 3.17

Remote Ore Collector

A nice little mining buggy, lots of fun

[cerulean wyvern]

Renting puts me on a time pressure

[north oyster]

but your investment is only 4k for a rental, super cheap

[robust osprey]

its so cheap

[north oyster]

You can earn enough in one trip to buy the ROC which is only 172K aUEC at New Deal

A full ROC of hadinite is about 250k aUEC

[cerulean wyvern]

That is a good argument

Ok what ship should I buy then?

[austere void]

😄

is 400i any good?

[toxic citrus]

nope

[austere void]

That was easy

[topaz coyote]

Hey... The 400i is good.. it just doesn't serve any purpose at the moment.. Much like the Reclaimer and all other exploration ships... 😉

[cerulean wyvern]

There are no bad ships

[fresh kiln]

100i...

[light moon]

Aurora ln

[teal wing]

Aegis Reclaimer

[rose skiff]

if they do get a purpose later on, what would u think they would be?

[deep vector]

Shush

It’s more useful than you

Did VHRTs and ERTs with it

[light moon]

Just buy a retaliator or hammerhead instead lol

[dusty mountain]

So I want to do some training and found a good grinding method. Should I start off getting a cheaper cargo ship for like 3 mil or just go for the hercules or caterpillar

[light moon]

Freelancer max is best scu for your money's worth

If you need a cheaper ship the cutlass ships can haul 42 scu I think it was

[cerulean lichen]

I found a trade route for between Arial and lorville for 27k per run in my cutlass. You guys think that’s a ok route?

[topaz coyote]

That is a great question. I'm not sure how CIG can make a game loop for exploration. Sure they can have things for players to discover but how do you "reward" that action. I suppose it can be an achievement-type-thing where you earn UEC for discovering the crashed C2 or something like that. Tough question to answer but I suspect there has to be some plan for it as they have a shit ton of exploration ships.

[rose skiff]

i actually cant wait, cause sc has amazing graphics, desigg and detail in everything, when exploration does get put in, its gonna be some of the most peacefil and jaw dropping aspects, at least thats what i think

[topaz coyote]

It just cant be for shits-and-giggles though. Don't get me wrong - I agree with you but there has to be more to it than just that though, right? I have a 600i Exp and want to be able to do something with it other than just look fancy outside a port.

[rose skiff]

yeah that makes sense, it could just be for the rich and priviledged, doing exploration missions with many bottles of champagne

[light moon]

Many you'll be.able to research flora and turn it in to like science corps or something

Imagine a research ship

With a lab and stuff

[shell wren]

Earn a certification for some kind of Researchers guild ..after that you get assigned missions to explore caves or certain systems, asteroid belts, etc

[signal jacinth]

Where can i go ROC mining, best place?

[jovial kiln]

I finally have enough money saved up to buy the Hercules for trading. Should I spend the money on it?

[rotund prairie]

my first two mining trips make a good representation of my progress in rock selection

[toxic citrus]

Not seeing any quant

[rotund prairie]

barely learning the basics. wanted to have more than 14 minutes to get my bearings lol

[toxic citrus]

Rightyo

[rotund prairie]

but yeah managed to not bring back any inert material at all on second run. happy with that progress so far

now im off to get my first mining paycheck

does it matter where i sell?

[lapis musk]

Any Tdd

Or lorville cbd

[rotund prairie]

and those are on all major cities?

what's lorville cbd?

[hollow sedge]

wheres the quantainium?

[rotund prairie]

needed more than 14 minutes to get my bearings

[signal jacinth]

where is the best place to go roc mining?

[quasi oriole]

hi guys just a question, is possible to make money only with cargo ? (without mining) Thanks!

[idle blade]

Yes but high risk vs no risk with mining

[raven parrot]

mining still holds a bit of risk if you have asshats who like to kill people for no reason nearby

[toxic citrus]

Not really

[raven parrot]

but not as much as cargo of course

[toxic citrus]

Certain places are super quiet

[idle blade]

Mining has no initial investment. Just time spent

Invest a mil in cargo….you’ll fly more careful then u ever have n pray the server stays stable

[toxic citrus]

yep

[quasi oriole]

wdum?

[hollow sedge]

Looking for mining crew. Argo Mole here. DM or just join Voice Channel 8

[long flax]

i can mine

but i want 3.17 first

[hollow sedge]

lol well you might have to wait then 😦

we can still sell raw

[cerulean lichen]

I maybe able to later tonight, though my only experience is ROC mining. I’m sure more skilled people will join you though

[idle blade]

You have to invest your own money into cargo and risk being killed or DC’d and losing it all. Mining just requires your time. If you lose a load of ore, you didn’t initially pay for it so no loss

[north oyster]

3.17 going LIVE

[silk ridge]

30 minutes Patch warning... If there's Quant to sell, do it NOW

[north oyster]

Sell now or forever lose your refinery job for 3.16

[toxic citrus]

There goes 2mil

sucks ass

[silk ridge]

I have nothing to sell, but I will go to Lorville and unequipp my modules. ... Just to be safe XD

[north oyster]

you can go stop the job and take what was refined now

[toxic citrus]

Nah its under maintenance

and everything is at the beginning pretty much

im not gonna bother anymore

[north oyster]

we have been saying this for weeks

[toxic citrus]

Yeah, im not gonna do anything about it anymore

I just have to bite it

[north oyster]

ah, rgr

I didn't lose any this time around, but I have a history of losing millions to an patch

and honestly, you only lost your time

[cerulean lichen]

So ready to ROC mine tonight! Just got my first pembroke suit and everything. Time to go where the money is

[austere void]

what all do we lose with patches?

[toxic citrus]

and 2mil

I just needed one more day

[north oyster]

No, you lost your time. If you had taken 2mil from your pocket and lost it, then you lost 2mil

you were going to earn 2mil but that got truncated

[toxic citrus]

im not gonna bother with SC for a bit i really need to cope

[north oyster]

having a ship full of laranite that you paid out of your pocket and it 30k on you (before heartbeat) ... now that is a solid lost

Okie dokie, take care and hope to see you in the 'verse some time

[toxic citrus]

I hope ill at least get something from all the spare gear i've got.

[north oyster]

3.17 is going to be rough too, so it might be the best time for a break, LOL

[austere void]

oh??

[north oyster]

yes, this is a rather challenging patch, lots of changes equals lots of crashes

But I'm planning to keep sloshing through the murk and mud

This isn't really a Game per se, but rather this is a sandbox demonstration we get to play in while they develop it

If a patch falls and kills a thousand players in the 'verse, does it make a sound?

[teal wing]

It does on Spectrum

[austere void]

lel

Whats some of the most significant changes?

[teal wing]

Well, ||the 16 is turning to a 17|| and some other insignificant stuff like mining gadgets, refuelling, and a river on MT

[north oyster]

more than most realize, but a lot of back server stuff. Ping changes also. But she's has some new tech that is really rough at this stage - Streaming for objects in and out of the verse

Quanta is now showing up in a few items

For those who have the most current PTU, you can just rename it to LIVE when the patch is deployed

[austere void]

wat lol

not gonna lie i think it would be pretty badass to do ship to ship refueling

[ancient star]

selling items is the most significant

and i guess refueling, but not as beneficial with stanton since theres gas stations everywhere

[austere void]

buy my fuel or we send fighter ships after ya

LMAO

[robust widget]

looks like .17 just went live

[placid bridge]

wdym by selling items?

[ancient star]

you can sell items like armor and guns now

[robust widget]

guess 2 of my mining orders will be wiped

[placid bridge]

sick

[north oyster]

No guessing, pretty confident they are. If not, then bonus!!

**Best feature of 3.17 is the ATC Key bind!!! **

[austere void]

oh thank god

[placid bridge]

ATC?

[north oyster]

Air traffic control

Now there's just a single button you can map that will hail them for you

[placid bridge]

hudge

[robust widget]

thats great

esp when you have a load of boomboom on board

[placid bridge]

whats the bind?

[austere void]

set it to whatever you wnat

[wintry mango]

Hmm, what's the recommended mining gadget for quant?

[robust widget]

head or modules ?

[wintry mango]

Neither, gadgets

[robust widget]

lost me there im a noob

[wintry mango]

New items in the 3.17 patch

[robust widget]

oooo

where do they fit?

[wintry mango]

On the rocks

[lilac patio]

what is the best mining gadget right now?

[wintry mango]

That's what im asking 🙂

Can finally clear out the inv

[orchid folio]

can anyone give me 2 mill so i can get started in mining

[wintry mango]

lol

[fallen pewter]

Is there any value in hand mining

[wintry mango]

Very low

You're better off hiring a cutty black and ROC

[cerulean lichen]

Wonder how the Hull A is going to be for doing trading.

[toxic citrus]

Same as a normal FL

Which means pretty shit

[wintry mango]

Id say the same, one of the better for its priceclass, but nothing compared to the real cargoships

[undone socket]

is roc working in live now?

[simple river]

Any changes to cargo hauling in the new patch? Or is it still as garbage as ever?

In regards to profit I mean

[toxic citrus]

Same ol' garbaj

[simple river]

Fuck

I have been waiting 2 fucking years for it now... Was just 30k after 30k back then and now it's 0 profit almost

[toxic citrus]

Waiting for .18 too my friend

[simple river]

Ooooo is .18 when cargo gets changed?

[toxic citrus]

Cargo refactor

Hopefully

[dense knoll]

do vehichle tractor beams work yet?

[simple river]

Oh so nothing good though in terms of cargo profit?

[toxic citrus]

No

[toxic citrus]

Cargo will be physicalized

And the system probably gets tweaked a little, too

At least i hope so lmfao

[simple river]

Ah guess it's great but don't honestly care I just wanna be able to make money hauling cargo

Lmao I sure as shit hope the system gets tweaked I wanna use my ships already!

[toxic citrus]

Yeah.

I almost had a freelancer max

But it slipped away with .17 ruining my plans

[simple river]

Lmao shit man that's to bad

[robust osprey]

anyone flying up to the box things on radar and finding no rocks?

[narrow quarry]

whats the qeuivalent of a surge module in this patch? can't find the locations of them on erkul

or do they still exist

[lilac patio]

yeah, scanning is bugged

[robust osprey]

damn any work around?

[lilac patio]

havent found one

[vestal ravine]

My cargo runs average 20 to 25 K...Freelancer class.

[hollow sedge]

hey

anyone know where to get power plants? they arent at dumpers depot anymore

[wary gust]

Is refueling actually profitable?

[paper kite]

ok big question, i had a full load of quant refining, and now that the patch is live, have I lost all of my quant?

[atomic lark]

anyone know if they fixed the pilot seat in the prospector or do i still have to be a female to get in and out of the chair

[wary gust]

Pretty sure you would yes

[paper kite]

fuckkkkkkkk thats the last of my money 😭

[wary gust]

Every patch its safe to try to sell/ refine your quant before

[hollow sedge]

anyone know where to get power plants? they arent at dumpers depot anymore

[paper kite]

i still had like 16 hours before it was done refining

[wary gust]

Im pretty sure they are

[wary gust]

As in a commodity or ship part

[hollow sedge]

ship part

i just chcked they arent here

[wary gust]

Prolly gonna have to get in orison they made it to where you can carry parts in cargo ships etc this patch

[hollow sedge]

ugh

[wary gust]

Yee the pc killer

[austere void]

Can you explain?

[wary gust]

Alot of the ships parts in game are located in orison at the shop there, but some other places do carry ship parts but its more of a limited supply

[sharp crypt]

Out of curiosity, have they mentioned why the hull A has an initial cargo listing of such a low number?

[austere void]

So like need people to do cargo missions to resuplly the shops?

[sour cairn]

they are still working on the cargo refactor

[austere void]

Ah

[wary gust]

Mainly because there waiting for the cargo refractor to make ship invs bigger. So the hull series ships will have a bigger capacity in the future. Plus the hull A is just the starter for the hull series so dont expect it too have much cargo space

[wary gust]

So when someone buys/sells an item in a shop it will take one out of the inv but not sure if quanta is implemented with that system yet

[austere void]

Ah

[wary gust]

if youd like to know more about quanta heres this

https://starcitizen.tools/Quantum_(game_system)

[austere void]

Ah thanks

[wary gust]

Np

[sharp crypt]

Thank you for the answer! True, I was mainly comparing it to the Maxx 122 and the hull B 300+

[wary gust]

The hull A is a much smaller ship compared to the max, plus the max is a dedicated cargo hauler also

[sharp crypt]

Yeah good point about the size difference and the unfinished stats on the Hulls @wary gust

[prime cliff]

Anyone have a mole with the FR-76 or the Rampart shield? Was thinking one of each but wanted some input.

[wary gust]

I imagine that once the cargo refractor comes out the Hull A will prolly have about 96scu or 117scu would be my guess, but don't quote me on that

[austere void]

When you're talking different haul letters. What do you mean?

[hollow sedge]

WOW THE MINING UI IS TINY

how make bigger?!?!

[sharp crypt]

Are you referring to the A, B, etc we were talking about?

[austere void]

Yeah

[sharp crypt]

Those are the names of the Hull series ships and are different sizes. Hull A is smallest, Hull E is largest.

[austere void]

I see

[orchid folio]

can someone give me 2 mill so i can get into mining

[harsh pollen]

Anyone need a miner or a hauler?

[drowsy finch]

wdym?

also has anyone had problems spotting while looking for rocks

[frigid harness]

where do you buy ores to sell them

[drowsy finch]

on lyria, there are a ton of boxes but none of them spot into rocks until I get really close

how did they change prospector mining in this new version?

[hardy mesa]

detection range of rocks was greatly reduced from like 5k to 1.5k

[stone gyro]

The not being able to scan ping signatures is killing me.

[sour cairn]

You have to be close to scan

300m and closer

[stone gyro]

I understand how to scan the rocks. I mean the ping signatures from the scan.

You used to be able to see how many rocks were in the traces of a ping.

[drowsy finch]

Is there a new strategy to finding rocks or are we just screwed

That's what I liked about prospector mining compared to roc mining. I liked being able to set the cruise to 500 and just wait

[sour cairn]

I thought the mass was going to go up and the rock count was going down

[drowsy finch]

I would have liked that

Now it's like filled with rocks but I have to go to each one individually to see them

[sour cairn]

Is that with the roc or prospector

[drowsy finch]

Prospector

On Lyria

[sour cairn]

Damn do I have to buy my mining heads

Nvm still good

[hallow shore]

so, if I want to hypothetically, just spitballing, get into the mining game

as a violently new player

is it mostly done in corps and stuff?

[stone gyro]

I learned with someone then have mostly solo mined since.

[hallow shore]

I see

[stone gyro]

As someone who had more fun in 3.16.1 mining then anything else. Who paused mining waiting for the patch to drop. I will say I'm not having the same fun trying to mine right now.

[hallow shore]

most of all I want that sweet sweet money, and doing it by industrial means is ideal by me. also large scale mining ops are rad as hell

given I'm not clear on whether mining caps are already a thing

visions of Rorqual 🤤

[stone gyro]

Orion'll be in given time. Mole is the biggest miner right now. Prospector is the solid solo option.

[hallow shore]

I may not have the luxury of a friend to mentor me so, any kinda handy guide or at least advice on how to work my way up to one and what to do with it?

also taking any help regarding hauling. pretty passionate about space trucking but it looks a little more complex in execution than any other spess games I've played

frankly I'm pretty lost on how to get started on anything 😔

[stone gyro]

I'd recommend either https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/guide for a more guided approach or watching some youtube video's to try to understand it yourself.

[hallow shore]

gotcha

thanks for the link!

[frigid harness]

!orison

dam

[wary gust]

You thinking about trading or like delivery missions?

Also anyone know if refueling is profitable?

Thinking about getting a starfarer

[hardy mesa]

cant access my starfarer so i cant tell

[wary gust]

Whats going on with it?

[hardy mesa]

store issue

[toxic tide]

Any luck finding quant on Lyria in 3.17? Seems dry

[hardy mesa]

they took my money but the order is stuck in pending

[wary gust]

On rsi?

[hardy mesa]

yup

i have a support ticket out already

[wary gust]

Could just have to give it some time

[hardy mesa]

not when they took my money thats the hard part

[wary gust]

True its kinda iffy

Do i get a starfarer or get a hull a

@hallow shore if you need a explanation on trading ill be in one of the vcs

[hardy mesa]

if the starfarer is right and its actual storage it has more room than the hull a but it might just be fuel storage cant tell the hull a is strictly external cargo cant hull a roc

[wary gust]

Starfarer is strictly fuel vc the hull a which is a cargo ship granted i already have a cat but my goal is to get all the hull series ships

[hardy mesa]

hull a has a warbond pack for 80 usd so not a bad choice starfarer is 300 and the Gemini is 340 usd food for thought when picking @wary gust

[hollow sedge]

has anyone figured out how to make the UI bigger for the mole?

Its so tiny

[wary gust]

True itll be a hard choice

[serene lotus]

anyone need a scout

[wary gust]

Anyone have a starfarer i could tour?

[wary gust]

Im getting a Hull A im starting to think that refueling isnt going to be super profitable since its gonna be based off of how many players are actually doing it

[sour cairn]

well the starfarer is only going to be helpful to smaller ships with limited fuel supply

itll really take off with launch of pyro

[marble crater]

Ship refuelling kinda isn't needed until Pyro is in imo

[sour cairn]

yea pretty much

[marble crater]

But it's good to see it done, one more thing off the checklist

[sour cairn]

its not the easiest thing to learn how to do either you have to watch the fuel gauge closely when filling ships

[marble crater]

Would be good for events like Xeno where everyone is out for hours

[sour cairn]

yea but that would benefit the fighter ships that run out in minutes when bigger ships dont even look at the fuel gauge

[hallow shore]

I'd def be down for trading if it's something I can do this early on a starter ship

but I kinda assumed I'd need a hauler to make it profitable

[wary gust]

What ship do you have

[hallow shore]

aurora

I don't mind delivery missions but, space is an even bigger issue for those I feel

I just do enjoy me some spess trucking

[wary gust]

True youd have to do alot of lower trades but you could keep doing delivery missions or other missions until you get more money. If youd like to use one of my ships for delivery missions you could

[hallow shore]

what kinda starting cache you figure would be needed to make trading reasonably profitable?

[wary gust]

The best way to be profitable in trading is things like a freelancer max, caterpillar, c2 but to just start trading you can use the aurora but you wont have alot of profit

heres a good site to use

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[hallow shore]

to note I'm new enough that I don't fully grasp how you buy and sell things to begin with

also goddamn the catterpillar is expensive ;-;

[sour cairn]

selling scrap if you have the capital isnt a bad start but u need something to move that cargo with

[wary gust]

I can show you the ropes here in a bit

[wary gust]

True

[hallow shore]

my goals are to do mining, medical and hauling really

but they all seem a bit hazy on how to really get started on them from the ground up

[wary gust]

They kinda botched mining so your best bet would be hauling until they make medical an actual activity in game outside of beacons

[hallow shore]

that's fine by me

as I said I do love me some spess trucking

[sour cairn]

well u can build up capital with some missions and then try the rental prospector but its going to get hostile fast when u cant break the good rocks solo

[hallow shore]

but proper haulers are real pricy and I'm not sure how to work my way up to them

[drowsy finch]

Yeah I like 3.16 mining more

[wary gust]

Yeah i have a guy saying that you gotta be like super close and its way worse now

[frigid harness]

whats the best ore to buy and sell

[sour cairn]

thats cause they added more consumables

laranite

[frigid harness]

hmm

where would i want to buy from, then where do i sell

[hallow shore]

I'm more than happy to eschew mining for hauling, honestly hauling was my end goal from the start

I just assumed mining would be a cheaper entry point to accrue some capital

my real end goal is to own an Endeavor tho... once it exists

;-;

[sour cairn]

buy on the moons hard to say where exactly now but they have a few choices and then head to the main planets to sell

[frigid harness]

my end goal is to own an 890

from this website im prob gon buy from bezdek then sell lorville

https://sc-trade.tools/

[sour cairn]

yea but its a hot spot so youll have to build up stock its going to take a while to buy

[wary nexus]

is cargo still profitable in 3.17

[frigid harness]

what do you mean by that

to build up stock

[sour cairn]

limited supply of ore so youll have to make multiple trips to make anything

[frigid harness]

multiple trips to different facilities>

?

[sour cairn]

i mean you can but ive found mixing ores or materials can generate a profit too but you have to gather the pricy materials as much as possible

[frigid harness]

what ship do you use

@sour cairn

[sour cairn]

ive been trading with the c2

[frigid harness]

i got a freelancer max

[sour cairn]

ok thats not that bad not hard to fill either

but still by the time u get there you might be able to only get 10 scu of cargo unless its a fresh server

[frigid harness]

huh

how long is the claim time of a c2

[hollow sedge]

12 minutes?

[sour cairn]

it used to be 30 idk right now

[frigid harness]

dam and i thought the 11 minutes for the max was alot

[sour cairn]

the bigger the ship the longer the wait time

like if you had an 890 its almost an hour

[frigid harness]

oh

better not crash it then

im claiming my max right now because i died from falling from the c2 in the orison showroom

[sour cairn]

yea they do need better barriers in certain areas

if you want to make money as a hauler you might as well be a miner then 100 percent profit only loss is refining cost and time

[scarlet rover]

SC Trade Tools is great, only downside is the data is pulled from the game files. I.e., it doesn't account for changes in price due to in game buying and selling. The game models supply and demand based on player activity across ALL servers, not just locally. Therefore if a ton of people in the game are buying Laranite it'll run out of supply across servers, and if they're all selling it at TDDs etc, the price will go down due to lower demand from the AI

[frigid harness]

ah

[scarlet rover]

The data on SCTT is the "base" value you would see before supply/demand modifiers are added

[hallow shore]

now that I think about it

would it be worthwhile to rent haulers as a new player?

assuming enough leftover to move stock around

would they pay for themselves that way?

[scarlet rover]

As of the last patch, it's hard to do that without something as large as say a Herc C2

due to the reliance on margin

other issue is the upfront capital investment in the cargo - need to have enough cash to buy the goods to sell them

it's still doable on say a Freelancer but you'll be grinding out lots of trips and still need enough to start loading the ship

[hallow shore]

I suppose so

[scarlet rover]

I've been hoping they'd add "hauler missions" like bounties, so people could start earning a flat rate hauling stuff, instead of just those little box missions

[hallow shore]

I just have little faith on delivery missions, they feel like a lot of work for not a lot of money

[scarlet rover]

Yeah I'm with you there

[hallow shore]

but I'm not sure how else to get the capital going for some bona fide truckin

[frigid harness]

and they sometimes dont even work

[scarlet rover]

one thing you can do, get your rep with a delivery company up enough to get the security post delivery missions

those actually seem more reliable and it's 40k/job for 3 boxes

[sour cairn]

wtf when did that become a thing

[scarlet rover]

it's been a thing since last year at least

[hallow shore]

that's a bit better but even then, aren't the cheap haulers like over 1M

well, I guess not the actual cheapest

[scarlet rover]

what do you mean?

[hallow shore]

like, I'd have to do a pretty massive number of even those missions to get something worthwhile

I suppose to rephrase my worry into a question

[scarlet rover]

oh I'm talking about grinding those delivery missions to get rep, once it's high enough they'll offer you more valuable delivery missions. you're still just grabbing 3 boxes and moving them somewhere else, but they're all in one spot so you don't have to go outpost to outpost for them, and you get 40,000 aUEC for the job instead of like 4k

and its just 3 boxes

you can fit them in like an Avenger or even a 100i

[hallow shore]

is there a middle ground hauler to look into? even something like a Freelancer is kind of a long term goal

[drowsy finch]

Is the cutlass black a decent hauler?

[sour cairn]

yes

[hallow shore]

like, where would I go from my lil babby Aurora

[scarlet rover]

I would say so

[hallow shore]

I'm a fresh start and only have 26k to my name

[scarlet rover]

hm. the Aurora has room for some crates in storage as well right?

[sour cairn]

freelancer is 66 scu priced at 1.64 mil

[hallow shore]

yeah, I've done one (1) delivery mission in it

and now I have some three crate missions available

I hope it has the room ;-;

[scarlet rover]

I had more luck doing the higher level ones bc you go to a single location for pickup, and a single location for dropoff. That has meant less risk of hitting a random bug when running post to post

[scarlet rover]

I'd have to look it up but I thought it did... it has a little trunk like thing on the underside, right?

[sour cairn]

i think they added that or they are adding that

[hallow shore]

I just put it on the cabin

the mustang has a trunk

but it's useless

trying to put a crate in it got me killed

so I switched pledges lmao

[scarlet rover]

lol

[drowsy finch]

I think I will switch from mining to trading with this new update. My cutlass will make do for now

[scarlet rover]

well I know the Avenger is popular as a starter hauler. Even the 100i has a little storage space underneath

I have hopes they will look at trading updates for 3.18, since that's when they've scheduled the "Cargo System Refactor"

supposed to make all cargo act like crates you can interact with

[hallow shore]

I don't have the physical cache for the Avenger I'm afraid

[scarlet rover]

i.e. if the ship crashes or gets blown up, the cargo will fly out or around

[scarlet rover]

#goals you can save up credits in game then

[sour cairn]

keep mining no loss with that just time spent

[scarlet rover]

jump on the next event they do, those usually have good rewards

[hallow shore]

it can be bought with in game money?

[sour cairn]

all ships can be brought in game with each major patch

except the ones that have to be found and rebuilt

[orchid folio]

can someone give me 2 mill for a prospector so i can get into mining?

[scarlet rover]

https://www.erkul.games/loadout/2szgDS8w
this says it's 785,600 aUEC to buy, available on Lorville and the cargo offices of some stations

[hallow shore]

that is

still a lot of money ;-;

[scarlet rover]

less than 1M! silver lining lol

[sour cairn]

what ship is that

[scarlet rover]

Aegis Avenger Titan

[orchid folio]

you can buy broken ships for less price ?

[sour cairn]

no not in game yet

[scarlet rover]

Right now you can either donate to the development, and get a ship (pledge), or save up in game credits to buy one in game

[orchid folio]

i need 2 mill 😦

[scarlet rover]

Starters in game can run from 250,000 - 1M aUEC

[sour cairn]

rent the prospector first then make ur profit with that to own one

[scarlet rover]

You can find it for rent at mining stations

[drowsy finch]

I kinda forgot about the update today. Rip my 1.2m in the refinery

[hallow shore]

could I realistically make at least a mil renting a prospector?

I thought mining took a blow

[sour cairn]

idk fully im hearing its harder to find certain rocks but i havent tried it yet

[drowsy finch]

It's much harder. It's not just hard, it's annoying

It's annoying like roc mining

[sour cairn]

what did they change

[drowsy finch]

The boxes don't scan into rocks until you are less than like 1000m away

[grim hornet]

i want to get into cargo running and minnig what a good ship to start with?

or to rent

[sour cairn]

it was like that before i thought i had to be within 500m depending on the ship cause they updated the hud

if ur going to get into mining prospector and hauling at least a cutty black

[grim hornet]

ok

[hallow shore]

how much is a cutter black?

[sour cairn]

1.35 mil

[hallow shore]

oof

[grim hornet]

whats a good way to make that mony using a mustange alpha?

[sour cairn]

box missions easy start just tiresome

[elder mauve]

what ground vehicles can fit in the Freelancer DUR? (Sorry if this is the wrong channel for this?)

[sour cairn]

not many its only got 36 scu so is going to be tight should have got the cutty or the max

[elder mauve]

I understand that it's going to be tight, I just wanted to know if any will fit in it.

[sour cairn]

i havent flow one in ages but if its like the standard freelancer it should be able to squeeze a roc in there so any thing that size should be possible

cyclone maybe

[sacred loom]

3.17 live now?

[sour cairn]

yes

[sacred loom]

Oh dear time to redo everything lol

[sour cairn]

no u keep all ur assets just lose character

[sacred loom]

All bounty’s have to be restarted

LRT-ERT Gotta do the Certs

[sour cairn]

yea possible

[sacred loom]

100% have to with a character reset

Which essentially this is

Pretty sure all your items will go to your home base to

Weapons/Armours etc

[sour cairn]

yes

[sacred loom]

Pretty shitty that is if u have piles of ship weapons

[knotty mountain]

is it just me or is quant harder to find on lyria?

[sacred loom]

In 3.17?

Gotta be surely, it’s like 1000m ping now right

[hallow shore]

hmmm

frankly still not sure how to get some starting capital going, guess grinding delivery missions is about as reliable as it gets much to my dismay

I have 30k to my name and a dream of space trucking 😔

[sacred loom]

U can hire a ROC for 5k a day u will need something to transport it tho

Can make a bit of starting cash like that

[hallow shore]

I think I'll lower my expectations and try to grind my way to a Nomad, it sounds like it has at least enough SCU to make trading a viable source of income

it ain't much

but it's better than just 3

still a million tho

[sacred loom]

U want make hardly anything trading without a huge hauler. I spend 700/800k in my C2 to make like 130 back

[light moon]

I rec cutty black

[hallow shore]

if that's per round trip that's still a pretty decent margin

[light moon]

as a cheap option

[sacred loom]

Yep, just remember u can game crash and loose it all

Not as profitable as bounty’s

[hallow shore]

what am I supposed to do then

[sacred loom]

Get a bounty ship

I rekon

[hallow shore]

not really interested in combat is the problem

sad to hear it's the most profitable option if that's the case

[sacred loom]

Or ROC mining then

Can make 500k+ an hour bounty’s. Quant mining u can make heaps to. ROC I can get 240k or so in 90 mins

[drowsy ember]

The reason combat makes so much more is people don’t need to spend 45 minutes looking for a mineable rock

Only to find out that is full of some cheap metal

Mineable and scannable

[hallow shore]

well, how expensive is it to get into bounty hunting if that's my last resort?

also please elaborate on what ROC is

for I have literally started playing today

[weak hound]

Diethyl

Please join me in my VC

I can teach you and you can help me

[wary gust]

Anyone know the binding for the extending of the hull a?

[hallow shore]

ah, can't VC right now

sorry shug

[scarlet rover]

@hallow shore this was patched out last year, now if you crash with a loaded ship the cargo should remain

[scarlet rover]

the ROC or "remote ore collector" is a ground buggy with a mining laser

[hallow shore]

question

would it be feasible to make around 150-200k an hour trading in a Cutlass Black?

[scarlet rover]

this is true, it can also fit a ROC in the external cargo bay

[hallow shore]

the cutlass black is not that expensive of a rental at 27k/day. thinking of grinding my way to around 100k as a starting capital, then using that for trading to start and build some more money from it

according to trade tools it estimates routes of like 4-5k per minute which is not bad

but I'm not sure how generous of an estimate that is

[scarlet rover]

I think that might be possible... with an upfront investment of around 120k, you could make 25-30k per run in ArcCorp or Hurston

[scarlet rover]

Just remember that's the optimal base data, before accounting for supply and demand which increase purchase price and depress selling price

[hallow shore]

well, according to trade tools with that much starting out there are 45k/run options

and yeah I don't think it's a fully foolproof kinda plan

but it's a lot better than trying to amass enough for a big ship through missions ;-;

and it should if nothing else pay for itself and then some

I could work my way up to that Nomad in a few days

[scarlet rover]

true, you might need to start with missions to get enough money to BUY the cargo for the trade runs

[hallow shore]

yeah, as I said, I'd start trying that at around 100k

no less than 70k past the rental

[scarlet rover]

it'll cost you over 100k to fill up a Cutty B with Laranite

[hallow shore]

my bf is the one who sold me on this game and no shit he's enjoying it, he loves bounty hunting lmao

[round current]

laranite is good agracium and distilled spirits or stims are good trades

[hallow shore]

maybe I should assist him to get to that starting cache faster

100k is also not that hard to get from missions

[scarlet rover]

what does he fly?

[hallow shore]

I sure could do with those 40k ones because 9k triple box deliveries are greying my hairs out

I don't know, what I know is he's dying to get his hands on a scythe

[round current]

i wouldnt use star citizen trade websites for routes just yet mainly cause they havent updated there commodities from 3.16.1 yet

[scarlet rover]

Well Cutty B is also good for mid level bounties... plus it's a two seater and has a turret on top

so great for tandems

[hallow shore]

interesting interesting

good to know

[round current]

cutluss b is good all around

[scarlet rover]

Cutlass Black is a good all-rounder with solid weapons options and a nice cargo hold for hauling as well

[round current]

its one of the better multi purpose ships

[scarlet rover]

great minds 🙌

[hallow shore]

I'd still rather shoot for the nomad out of personal aesthetic sense

but maybe if/when I become a filthy rich decadent elite I could get a cutty B to call my own

furthermore I don't full grasp how cargo space works yet

[round current]

nomad is a decent starting cargo hauler

[scarlet rover]

I love both. But I think they both fill similar roles - decent weapons and nice cargo space. Nomad as a starter and CutB as a midrange

[hallow shore]

as in, the nomad has less cargo space, but still makes more money per round trip than a cutlass can?

[scarlet rover]

Nomad comes with nicer bed though, plus a kitchenette and preworkout

[scarlet rover]

nah right now the more space you have the more money you make - so a Cutlass would have the Nomad beat

[round current]

nomad has half the storage space a cut b has

[hallow shore]

for some reason if I look using both on trade tools, with the same starting funds, the nomad results in more profitable runs

[scarlet rover]

check "pure profit"

[hallow shore]

yes, pure profit

https://i.imgur.com/6pg7ZJG.png

versus these

[scarlet rover]

oh those are different goods, that's why

the second pic is shipping narcotics

[hallow shore]

but are those goods the cutty can't haul for whatever reason?

[scarlet rover]

no they're just illegal drugs

[hallow shore]

couldn't I just take the same routes on the cutlass for even more profit then?

or would the extra cargo be an actual detriment in this case

[stone gyro]

You could. Less stuff changed in 3.17 I wouldn't though. Might get stuck with cargo you're waiting to unload.

[scarlet rover]

theoretically but I don't know the availability of Altruciatoxin right now

[stone gyro]

I would stay away from illegals starting out.

[hallow shore]

that's fair enough

also what's the take on the RAFT

I had my eyes on it too

it's 10k more to rent than the Cutty

[scarlet rover]

that's why they all say go to Grim HEX - it's an outlaw station where you can sell drugs

[hallow shore]

but it does have like twice the cargo

it does also seem non-trivially slower tho

[scarlet rover]

personally I love it. Got it when it came out. The VTOLs and landing gear are sexy

issue is it's designed for post-Cargo Refactor, since its crane doesn't work yet

RAFT is meant for long hauls, it's got huge gas tanks, heavy armor, and is designed to dropoff and pickup conexes quickly

right now the Cutlass, C2 etc are more efficient

[hallow shore]

so would you say it's less worthwhile for just quick money building routes?

noted

...I still want one

I love freighters they bring me immense joy

[round current]

cutlass and c2 are good ships the freelancers are also good

[hallow shore]

but, priorities

[scarlet rover]

same haha the interior is super well designed

[hallow shore]

so for now my gameplan is to grind up to like 100k, maybe 120-150k if the missions are kind and/or I get some bounty hunting done

[scarlet rover]

@hallow shore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHQyPZB7ZRY

[hallow shore]

then rent the cutty b and start running some short routes

is that logically sound or am I going to go broke

[scarlet rover]

that sounds solid to me

I would second Gared above and say avoid the narco routes for now - as a new player you're prone to getting busted by the cops, or catching a Crime Stat and having a player bounty placed on your head

[hallow shore]

for sure

would rather keep it above the table

just to play it safe

[scarlet rover]

not trying to tell you not play how you want, just the reality of the learning curve

[hallow shore]

tho that does lead me to reconsider the plan of shooting straight for the Nomad, if it would actually have worse profit margins than the cutty

[scarlet rover]

Cutlass is 1.3M aUEC to buy tho

[hallow shore]

oh yeah, it is

that's feasible

for some reason I was convinced it was closer to 2M

I was mixing it up with the RAFT I think

[round current]

im enjoying myself with a freelancer max as cargo hauling shiips

[hallow shore]

also I'm pretty ignorant on how ship parts and upgrades work. if that is even a system that is currently in and not just an abstract idea

[stone gyro]

For the most part not at the moment. Most things are equalized at the moment.

[hallow shore]

but once I do buy a cutty B could I hypothetically tune it out to be more efficient if less offensively capable?

ah, gotcha

I don't know how dangerous SC players are but I've played more than enough EVE and E:D to know that a freighter that sacrifices all defenses is a piggybank on thrusters 😔

[mossy shuttle]

You can fit a more efficient quantum drive if fuel economy is an issue

Most of the important stuff can be upgraded or at least changed around. Shields, weapons, etc

[hallow shore]

I doubt fuel efficiency would be a factor for short routes but if it increases spooling and engagement/de-engagement speed it would be pretty worthwhile

[mossy shuttle]

Yeah, different drives have different attributes like that

[hallow shore]

also what's the take on the Caterpillar?

[mossy shuttle]

Cat is the coolest big hauler, but the C2 is technically better

[stone gyro]

It's a nifty ship. Gonna be better after the cargo refactor. Currently not as good as the C2.

[round current]

ok ship for hauling if you get into a fight better have an escort

[mossy shuttle]

I bought a Cat purely because it looks cooler

[hallow shore]

how likely am I to get into a fight if I'm not looking for it

[round current]

ye c2 hercules great cargo and can handle its self in protection

[mossy shuttle]

Good point, the cargo refactor will benefit the Cat enormously

[hallow shore]

and yeah as far as the big freighters go it's definitely my favorite looking

maybe I should make it my current end goal