industrial-professions

[devout thistle]

Where's the Lancet Mh2?

Microtech? couldn't find it at my old refinery

[quiet night]

Dumper's Depot (Area18) 23,500 Area18
Dumper's Depot (Grim HEX) 23,500 Grim HEX
Tammany and Sons 23,500 Lorville
Refinery deck store (HUR-L1 Green Glade Station) 23,500 HUR-L1 Green Glade Station
Refinery deck store (MIC-L1 Shallow Frontier Station) 23,500 MIC-L1 Shallow Frontier Station

[umbral folio]

so would it be worth it to rent a big ship and just go for some cargo trade runs?

or to ask different. Whats the fastest way to make money if you cant attend jt and your rep with bounty hunter guild is on level 2.5

[chrome jay]

what rock sizes can the Roc mine please ?

[pastel flame]

Start grinding up bounties

[umbral folio]

Really the fastest way? Dang

[pastel flame]

It's not even close.

[umbral folio]

oof ok ty

[chrome jay]

my laser doesn't want to absorb it just throws em away

[pastel flame]

Don't despair, bounties can rock with the right ship and loadout. 700k/hr

[umbral folio]

hmm ok yeah since i really would love to have a constellation im thinking of renting it and grinding away this weekend. With that big ship it should go pretty fast

[split falcon]

speaking of, ship recommendations?

[umbral folio]

vangard is probably also pretty good for fighting. (heavy gun ship)

[split falcon]

yeah but which vanguard lol

[umbral folio]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/vanguard/Vanguard-Warden this one

[distant wagon]

@chrome jayget out then back in your roc, usually works for me with that bug

[split falcon]

vanguard wardens obsolete now, its canons can be bought and its specs are copied over to the other vanguards minus the specialities of the other ones

[chrome jay]

yup it did thank you

[distant wagon]

good deal then

[chrome jay]

do i need to transfer my minerals from roc to my ship

to sell them

[distant wagon]

no, leave them in ship and select it on console

[chrome jay]

cause trading console isn't detecting my rock inside my cutty

[distant wagon]

using correct terminal?

admin in refinery stations

[chrome jay]

i'm in shubing mining station

admin

it lets me buy but not sell

[distant wagon]

you dont need to have roc in ship there tho do you?

[chrome jay]

i have my roc inside my ship

but nothing appears on my sell screen

[distant wagon]

take your roc out of ship and does it show ? i usually only sell at the big stations

[chrome jay]

big stations like what

cause there's a red contact here i'm gonna dip

[distant wagon]

hur-l1

[chrome jay]

thanks

[distant wagon]

oh ya good idea

[chrome jay]

he locked me as i quantumed

do i need to store my ship with the rock in it ?

[distant wagon]

at the stations you do yes, i dont think you can on the surface outposts

[chrome jay]

i went to Cru L1

[distant wagon]

cool someone with a real answer ;p

[chrome jay]

this was my first roc run

@distant wagon not even in the refinery

it's not being detected at all

[distant wagon]

thats the admin terminal in the galleria?

[chrome jay]

ah nope it was the refinery

going to admin now

to see

i made it

thanks a lot

[distant wagon]

nice, glad it worked

[thin escarp]

@umbral folio bounties def isn't the best money making loop if you own a mole or prospector. I'm pulling 1.3-1.4 mil a hour

dudes 700k average is heavily relying on having a ship that beat bigger bounties on top of being a good pilot and the mission even working which can be buggy to all hell

[worthy scroll]

That awkward moment when you forgot to request permission to leave.

[umbral folio]

so you are trading?

[thin escarp]

@umbral folio mining.

in the mole.

mining is the most consistent stable game loop.

[worthy scroll]

Cargo running is very stable, provided you aren't looking for only the highest priced stuff.

[thin escarp]

@worthy scroll or scrap or drugs

anything of decent value

but if you get beyond all those things yes. cargo running is apart of the game and can make a lil profit.

[worthy scroll]

I pretty much just do laranite, what I can get of it, then titanium. Titanium alone is fine.

I was running cargo on the PTU last night, and I was actually able to get full loads of laranite. It was amazing lol.

[thin escarp]

that's because it's the ptu

[worthy scroll]

Of course

[thin escarp]

we always can do Laranite on ptu

[devout thistle]

Yeah those aren’t accurate.

[thin escarp]

@devout thistle gotta scroll right on terminal in refinery

the clothing terminal in refinery

[devout thistle]

[thin escarp]

slide over and you'll see the laser and consumable tab

[devout thistle]

shieeet

[thin escarp]

yep

[devout thistle]

I knew I was missing somethinf

[unkempt fossil]

can someone guide me into how I can mine quantanium>

??

[thin escarp]

@unkempt fossil I can send you my guide

just sent you my guide and 2 videos.

lemme know if you have questions

[uncut grotto]

What would be a good CCU in the future for bigger and more efficient mining operations?
At the moment me and my friends are using a prospector each but I have an Anvil liberator that will be used whenever it comes out.
But what would be a good CCU after that? Our mining group is just getting bigger and bigger by each month.

[pliant matrix]

You can start by using mole for now. Not sure if there will be like "mining capital" ships coming ATM 🤔

[crimson mantle]

The Orion exists as a concept

But who knows when that will come out! 😄

[devout thistle]

Liberator and Prospector, then get an orion

I can see it now

A liberator full of prospectors and ROCS

[rough plinth]

@distant wagon so your investment ended up getting me the tarus now xD

so wooo big cargo ship 😮 lol now i just need to get the mole

[uncut grotto]

i know right that was my thought before buying it haha

[distant wagon]

@rough plinth damn nice, was a 30k well invested then

[pastel flame]

Vanguard Sentinel

Best sustainability and most reliable kills.

Join us in #flight-combat-racing !

[worthy scroll]

Thanks whoever left behind 1 🤣

[analog field]

Finally got my prosp bought after getting distracted by a roc and 100i

[analog field]

Random question. I hate how not precise the mouse wheel laser power is, anyone got a stand alone slider thing that the can recommend

[subtle cradle]

I wonder if the laser power slider could be set to up down mouse movement with a toggle button

[unkempt fossil]

looking for a mining duo partner

[uncut grotto]

Alright so, at the time of me purchasing the Anvil Liberator we were only 5 people in my crew. We decided that I got the mobile mining hub (the Anvil Liberator) and the rest got prospectors.
Right now we've gotten an addition of 6, so we're up to 11 people.
We've now ended up with the following:

• 1 Anvil Liberator
• 2 Greycat Industrial ROCs
• 2 ARGO Moles
• One of my friends may buy a Hull C in the future
  and then finally 5 prospectors
  The rest of the crew will be refueling, repairing, rearming or defending.
  I know it may seem like an overkill but the problem we have is that me, as the owner of the Anvil Liberator (mining hub) live in Sweden (CET / CEST depending on season) along with 2 others. The rest lives in the US...
  My question basically is if I also should get a Prospector or MOLE since we barely will have any ships when I'm online.

5-8 people are almost always offline when I'm online. The only exceptions are when they are not working / are in school, usually on weekends.
Same goes for my friends here in Sweden.

On weekdays we only end up with 1-2 prospectors and 1 ROC.

These are of course plans for the future since the Anvil Liberator won't be out for a pretty long time. I can just hope that the rest of the parts go as fast as the first parts did.

[thin escarp]

@odd snow lemme know if you wanna go mining today

[grand furnace]

what modules do I need to buy for prospector was it surge torrent or smth

[pallid temple]

Surge, Stampede and Optimum

[north oyster]

If you're doing asteroid belt then you only need the surge

[grand furnace]

I am at lyria area

[worldly ledge]

Anyone here ?

Would like opinions

Just about to buy Hercules and leaning towards the M2

So the question is C2 or M2 ?

To me the M2 spec seems better other than scu and if I’m running a 3 man mole then there is also 3 seats on the bridge in the M2

@thin escarp I’m interested in seeing your guide and video, I have a mole but don’t get 1.5mil per hour anything to help me find the rocks faster 👍🏼

[worthy scroll]

If you want to run cargo, get the C2.

[hollow sedge]

I just had the same internal debate too. I went with the M2 purely out of preference interior and extra turret (and better stock components), despite the smaller cargo. Literally the only thing C2 is better for is higher cargo, but how often can you fill a full C2 anyway? The extra seats are useful if you have dudes to carry.

[worldly ledge]

@hollow sedge my thoughts too !

[hollow sedge]

Truthfully if you want to min/max trading, obviously the C2, but if you want to use it anything else whatsoever, M2

[worthy scroll]

You can fill it every run if you want. You won't fill it with the "good" stuff, but you won't be able to do that with any ship big enough to justify running cargo. But you can always grab the next item down.

I pretty much run titanium with splashes of laranite. It makes good enough money.

[worldly ledge]

I’ll be running quantainium with it

[hollow sedge]

That's fine, I get that. For my small fleet the M2 fit better and it was worth the 174 less cargo.

Toz, I guess do you wanna mine for 16 prospector loads or 21, before you transport? that's the only difference then lol

[worldly ledge]

😂

Exactly

[worthy scroll]

Yeah pretty much. It just depends on how often you want to go sell. You can get a cheap Taurus for that if you want.

[worldly ledge]

But that’s only 174scu

[hollow sedge]

That's actually what I was going to buy (because I had no cargo ship) but decided to skip it and get a Herc

I think selling a full C2 is about 6m, so if you wanna see that big number, C2? If you're okay with more frequent travel and have friends, M2?

[worldly ledge]

Yep

[hollow sedge]

If you want to look around inside of mine before buy you can

[worldly ledge]

Would love to tomorrow

[hollow sedge]

If you are ever gonna have an A2, then it makes sense to just get the C2 also

[worldly ledge]

A2 is not an ingame purchase though ?

[worthy scroll]

Erkul doesn't show a buy place for it, so maybe not.

[hollow sedge]

No, I think it's $750, only out of game real money

Maybe you could CCU to get it a little cheaper though, but usually not by much

[worldly ledge]

I won’t be doing that 😂

But if you are about in the morning would defo like a look at the m2

[hollow sedge]

Sure

[worldly ledge]

Ahh depends where you are I suppose

[hollow sedge]

EST

[worldly ledge]

Ahh it’s 1am here

Will try and catch you in the morning your time then 👍🏼

And on that note… goodnight

[hollow sedge]

Alright! I'll be around!

[odd snow]

I recommend surge, stampede, and FLTR-XL.

[analog field]

I grabbed a lancet, focus 2 and two torrent 2

[lost zinc]

anyone on wanting to mine?

[thin escarp]

@lost zinc i can probably get ya in one of my moles

[lost zinc]

@thin escarp thanks I had some issues and had to do a player reset. I’ll be back on in a few hours .. I would love to ride the mole with you

[vast fiber]

How much money do people normally make in a prospector best case ?

[thin escarp]

200-270k if you know what your doing

[vast fiber]

Would u say ita faster then say bh mish ?

[queen tendon]

@gentle thorn

Hey bud this channel will. Be helpful for mining info and advise I think

[gentle thorn]

ok

thanks

[queen tendon]

I can’t spell 😂

[pastel flame]

No

[analog field]

Sucks when you can't sell at the refinery console. Dang bugs

[analog field]

Also a good time when the rock ui vanishes and that makes you blow up

[quiet night]

unscannble rocks just a thing or am i being a plonker and not doing right ?

[weary quarry]

They are , if they don't scan then normally I go to the top of the rock facing towards the ground , then wait a few seconds and that normally works for me 😁 If that doesn't work then fly to another set of rocks , scan them and then fly back to the first rocks that didn't scan and try again 😁

[quiet night]

Ah i will give that try ty

[weary quarry]

Your welcome

[analog field]

Worst case assume they are trash and move on, plenty of rocks! 😄

[quiet night]

yeah thankfully after that bunch ive found four 30scu loads of quant so thats enough for today

[cedar flower]

I wonder how effecient you could mine by not going for quant
so you take everything but quant and use the "filter" modules on your mining head

[mortal locust]

Can i do some cargo with someone Im so confused to how it works i lost money instead of getting more after following a guide :/

[pastel flame]

In the end it just won't match up because Q is double the next highest material.

[cedar flower]

but you can get much faster runs

and are more likely to fill your cargo hold

[cedar flower]

what did you try to trade?

[mortal locust]

it sold for 9k when i sold it

[cedar flower]

I suggest doing runs with laranite

around arcorp

also what ship do you use?

[mortal locust]

i rented a Constellatoion armadas someting like that i only ave it for another 5 hours but i own a cutlass black

[cedar flower]

Andromeda

[mortal locust]

yea

[cedar flower]

good runs

[mortal locust]

ty

[umbral folio]

o7 got a question. Would it be worth it to rent a prospector to mine? Does it even come with the right mining laser so i can mine quantanium? You cant change loadouts of rentet stuff right?

[pallid temple]

Its not worth renting a Prospector

[uncut grotto]

Would this be a good fleet for mining operations, or should I change anything? I've never really been into mining, so I don't really know what miners I should bring.
If my crew stays the same size until the release of the Anvil Liberator, we are going to be a total of about 10 people to operate everything.
3 in the mole,
1 in each prospector (2 people in total)
That would leave 5 people on the Anvil Liberator, 2 of them ready to hop into an arrow each if we detect a threat.
NOTE: All these ships will fit onboard the Anvil Liberator if the development team doesn't decide to make it smaller, which I don't think will happen. Yes, it would be hard to get everything onboard. But it's not impossible.

[devout thistle]

I don’t think it’d be hard to get those aboard. It’s an alright set up, by all means I’d shove those prospectors inside if they fit and keep the arrows on top for QRF

[thin escarp]

@quiet night if ur in space ghost rocks are a thing. not on moons though

[devout thistle]

Side note, if I was you, I’d use 1-2 more people on your liberator to act either as further security in arrows. You can fit two arrows per pad.

[devout thistle]

Thanks for the help with the mining heads btw. Got a 30 solo load of quant last night.

[thin escarp]

if your doing laranite cargo runs good luck. half the time you cant get any.

[devout thistle]

You run a mining org right? Or is that someone else?

[thin escarp]

@cedar flower yeah you won't make like any money doing that.

bexalite and borase Taranite are somewhat okay to mine

@uncut grotto your talking content that's years away. right now I run weekly mining operations with moles and scouts and a small security team. but what your gonna run into with the liberator is the lack of a refinery. that quant timer will hurt ya.

when the time comes having an orion in every op is a necessity

[worldly ledge]

@hollow sedge hi are you about ? Wouldn’t mind a quick look inside your m2 if possible please

[hollow sedge]

Can someone help me start out with mining?

[worldly ledge]

@hollow sedge you need to speak to @thin escarp

[hollow sedge]

alrr

[lusty willow]

LOL miners claim mining is the best and fastest way to make money, b bounty hunters claim bounties is the fastest way to make money, now which one is it???

[uncut grotto]

of course
theres really no way for us to know when concept ships will be flyable
1 year, 2 years, 3 years? we really dont know but i just like setting up fleets

sometimes i just take some random ships and see how well they would work together

[uncut grotto]

hmm i guess that would fit a prospector?

[hollow sedge]

the thing is i wanna be able to do both

bounty when feeling adventurous and mining when i wanna relax and sit back

[lusty willow]

yes both is fun for sure

[hollow sedge]

i have been doing combat and the make me decent amount

but i heard prospector mining makes u decent amount too

[lusty willow]

well my 1st mining experience was more stress full than bounties, I got bullied of my gems a couple of time

[hollow sedge]

haha

[worthy scroll]

If a Prospector fits in that, it'll be a very tight squeeze.

[thin escarp]

@lusty willow I made 5.7 million yesterday mining.

you can't expect amazing results when you try mining the first time. gotta know what your doing.

@hollow sedge def can show ya hot to average 200-270k a run ina prospector.

[lusty willow]

yes I understand that just did not expect the total bug out of the ROC and then to be bullied off the gems didnt help either. Your 5.7 I am sure was not with a ROC?

I am not running a prospector, still need to get to the 2 mil mark barely scraping 500K at the moment

[hollow sedge]

i saved up to 3 mil for a good or hoprfully maxed setup for mining to make most profit

but i have no idea where to start

[thin escarp]

I'll send my guide to start

[lusty willow]

you mentioned Aberdeen, what is Daymar like for mining?

[thin escarp]

not as much hadanite as aberdeen or arial

[lusty willow]

the hot weather suit I can get in the orbital station at aberdeen?

@thin escarp would you say teh freelancer is more beneficial to use with a ROC than a Cutty?

[thin escarp]

@lusty willow no

not a good fit.

[lusty willow]

where do i get the hot weather undersuit

[thin escarp]

arc l1 has Pembroke

it's at most refineries I believe. but I know 100% it's at arc l1

[lusty willow]

awesome thanks @thin escarp

@thin escarp Prospector is around 2mil aUAE?

[thin escarp]

2 mil 61k

another 26k for the lancet. 20k for modules ish

[lusty willow]

ok so I need roughly around 6 mil for a sentinel and prospector fully kitted

[north oyster]

The short coming here is refinery, and there may be a smaller refinery option that would need to be included. Swap the MOLE for refinery is what I'm thinking

[north oyster]

I have found the FL MAX to absolutely fantastic with using the ROC. It offers wide and easy RORO (roll-on, roll-off), it offers excellent fuel efficiency, handling is decent if you don't over speed, it is small and compact and can land in tight areas much easier than an MSR or Taurus. I've used the MAX exclusively for ROC mining for over a year.

[lusty willow]

thx good to know, Max is just kinda expensive though

[north oyster]

First dollars spent should be for the Prospector, it will then feed all your other SC dreams

[north oyster]

2.1M aUEC, about same price as a Prospector. Worth renting a ship to haul refinery jobs until you can buy one

Plus the MAX can carry about 4 or more Prospector refinery jobs at one go

The 120 SCU is a good amount of space

I CCU'd my MAX to the Taurus but then bought the MAX in-game because I found it more handy for ROC mining and use

You can buy the cutty to use for ROC transport (I did this for the longest originally). Now remember, ROC mining isn't in a good place at the moment, CIG has ignored some critical issues with its gameloop since 3.14

[lusty willow]

@north oyster ta thx for all the info

[north oyster]

I'm late to the conversation, but what are you focusing on for the moment? ROC mining or working up to Prospector?

[lusty willow]

Well I been doing bounties mainly to work towards a sentinel, but also wanted to try the mining aspect, been playing just over a week so not to clued up yet. Everyone has been telling me not to rent a prospector, so I have a Titan and a Cutty, bought a ROC in game and just wanted to try that side too to see what it is like and to figure which side will make the the most money the fastest in the beginning

[north oyster]

They are right "rent a prospector" is a bad idea because it can only train you. You'll be hard pressed to earn back the rental fee. The ROC/Cutty combo is a good earner but you will be having to put in a number of hours to get the hang of it and earn back your investment. A full ROC of hadanite is about 225K aUEC (or more). Sadly though, with ping, scan, and a few other challenges, your earnings per hour won't be fantastic.

If you buy a Prospector, then that is the start of some serious earning potential. Your runs can be about 250K to 275K aUEC per trip. Your cutty can take refinery jobs to the market (it can take about two)

[lusty willow]

Well I am willing to put in the work to get the hang of it, I struggled in the beginning with the bounties but by keeping at it I got better and worked my way up to VHs

[north oyster]

that's awesome. If I could offer advice, I would say earn up the funds for the Prospector. Add in the Lancet laserhead (not expensive) and you are pretty much ready to go

[lusty willow]

So from the sound of it I will just have to chip away at it untill I get my 1st 2.5 then I will have to decide what I want to get the Sentinel or the Prospector

[north oyster]

There are other tweaks, but they are secondary to what you really need.

The Prospector will be a cash cow for you if done right

[lusty willow]

OK awesome thanks, seems like one I have a prospector I will be able to make the funds fairly easy to get the Sentinel 2nd

[north oyster]

I think so, I've earned over 10M aUEC and I've not had that much time to play. I have some simple tips when you are ready to make it pay you most coin per minute as possible.

[topaz drum]

The Prospector will earn 2M for the Sentinel pretty quickly

[lusty willow]

Awesome thanks so much, truly appreciated

[topaz drum]

Yep.. I’m about 12M since the wipe

[bronze pier]

Did they fixed the bug when a new patch comes out, all your work orders are deleted ? 🤔

[north oyster]

NO, you should anticipate a refinery wipe when a new patch it applied

[topaz drum]

I wouldn’t risk.. if you know a patch is coming I pull and sell.. better 80% than 0%

Even the “minor” patches

[north oyster]

Tru dat

I have already cleared all my refinery jobs for now and I'm going with Ferron Exhange for any new jobs and then taking them to market as soon as done

[uncut grotto]

hmm alright

[north oyster]

I've been toying with the same idea that you are laying out here, but mine would be a more solo centric setup. The idea of having Salvage, Mining and Refining operation and using the Liberator as the base for those operations.

[uncut grotto]

yeah i guess that would be a good idea in some situations
imma think about it and try to find something new

[north oyster]

I originally thought the Odyssey would be that ship, but that was a fail. The more I look at the Liberator, the more appeal it has to me. I will certainly be buying it in-game for that focus

[uncut grotto]

as soon as i heard about it i checked it out
i really wanted to buy it when it was out with LTI but i didnt have the money so i waited until november and bought it at the anvil day of the IAE
kinda rip i didnt catch the LTI in time but atleast i got 120 month insurance

[north oyster]

They consider 10year to be essentially the same as LTI. I bought the Argo they offered because that was a cheap LTI token (well, 10yr token). I may get a CCU to the Liberator from the Argo I bought this Invictus Week

[uncut grotto]

i gotta say, i really love the condor paint for the liberator

[north oyster]

I'm hoping the "time to flyable" for these ships will be quicker than previous jpg's. Still waiting on my Corsair. I picked up the 400i to use as an LTI token for the Hull C. I can't wait to apply that CCU and get the Hull C running jobs also

[uncut grotto]

im pretty sure that the corsair will be out the end of 2022 or start of 2023

[uncut grotto]

i feel like the simple shape of the liberator will have an effect on the completion speed
just like we can see on the first parts of development

not even 4 months before they were complete

meanwhile other ships can take half a year up to who even knows how long

@north oyster have they scheduled a time for the release of Pyro or is it still just a speculation? or maybe hinted a bit?

i really havent checked in on the Pyro development part of star citizen

the thing is i have a bit of hope that the liberator will be released only a couple months after pyro, since it was after all made for "travel between star systems"

hmmmm i wonder which ones that can be?

[north oyster]

That will be dependent upon server meshing. At that point the game will become alpha 4.0

[uncut grotto]

yeah... i think the liberator is kinda dependent on that too since ive heard a lot about how the servers really wont like carriers

dont know if its true, but i just gotta keep my fingers crossed

that it wont be 100 years before the release of the liberator

[brisk vale]

whats the best laser for solo mining quant in a mole?

someone told me lancet but idk where to buy

[gentle thorn]

best planet for ROC??

[quiet night]

Clothing terminals at the refinery’s, tabs at the top, use your mouse wheel to scroll them as the utility tabs hidden as buying t shirts at a refinery is apparently more use than actual mining heads

[thin fjord]

As far as mining, I know the prospector is preferred for a one man crew but what about a ship for trading/hauling?

[coarse cape]

i like any cargo ship above the taurus

so cat carrack c2/m2

and taurus ofc

[worthy scroll]

Cat is working on the PTU, so hopefully it'll be working on the next update for the PU.

[mental granite]

im ROC mining and the gems just swarm the extraction laser but dont go in storage at all

[unkempt fossil]

I need help with mining, can someone help out with me

??

[vast fiber]

do people make ok mony doing cargo runs ? whenever i land somewhere to pick up any cargo acording the the trade website the terminals never seem to see my ship is this normal ?

[analog field]

@mental granite getting out and moving a gem into your personal inventory from the roc can fix that

@unkempt fossil what's the issue

[astral oasis]

Looking for some people to A). Fill my mole and have a scout, or B). Run my 3 prospectors and a scout for them. Everyone gets paid good.

[mental granite]

Thanks, that worked!

[analog field]

Np! It's wonky

[mental granite]

A lot of stations, especially those without landing pads, have abug where they wont detect your ships. this makes cargo hauling really rough right now, but normally cargo is decent, slow paced low profits

[coarse cape]

i make about 30-40k per run in my taurus and that run can take like 10 mins give or take if the place wants to sell me stuff or buy stuff

[vast fiber]

oh nice then

[unkempt fossil]

@analog field Everytime I try and break a rock that's above 25% it just doesn't break open on the quantanium

I need help plz

[analog field]

What are you using? The rental prosp won't break big quant rocks.

With a lancet 2 torrent 2s and a focus 2 I've broke 48% quant 5k mass rock

[mild anvil]

Do we still have ghost asteroids? (show as minable but don't scan)

[analog field]

Correct but only in space. Planet side doesn't

[unkempt fossil]

how do I mine bigger rocks?

[analog field]

Better ship or more than one person

[rain tundra]

Now that JT is over I'm trying to figure out how to grind the last bit of money I need, is trading working right now?

[hollow sedge]

Are caterpillars still broken?

[worthy scroll]

Yes, but they're fixed on the PTU, so they should be fixed on the next patch for live.

[hollow sedge]

Ok. Ty

[coarse cape]

it is, just depends on ship and commodity

[analog field]

Better to mine for more consistentcy

[coarse cape]

well i mean if they have like a taurus they could trade astatine for good consistency

[brisk vale]

@quiet night thanks:)

[fossil glen]

Best planet to mine Quant?

[analog field]

Lyria or the belt

Lyria has no ghost rocks but has people who will kill you and rocks the will be to big for a single prosp to pop

[thin escarp]

just dont jump to a place directly.

go to an OM

and fly down

[olive wagon]

Does anybody know of a ROC mining calculator

[fresh ivy]

Does where I hit a rock matter when mining?

[thin escarp]

@fresh ivy nah

@olive wagon for?

generally people just mine hadanite

til they fill up

[fresh ivy]

ah well, can't quite crack this rock then

[thin escarp]

@fresh ivy prospectors can have a hard time breaking big rocks.

like over 5500 mass

you need to have the correct modules to break the bigger ones

like surge

[fresh ivy]

Yeah, I'm kitted out with modules etc

just couldn't quite get through this 7700 rock

but i could get painfully close

[thin escarp]

rough

[fresh ivy]

7700, 48.7% quant

wanted it bad enough to get creative

[thin escarp]

damn

thats juicy

[analog field]

There any way to fix the not able to sell ore at the terminal?

[toxic citrus]

What kind of a place are you selling it at

And what are you selling

[analog field]

Wanted the check the price of unrefined quant in my prosp before i refine, but won't show up at the sell terminal

[thin escarp]

you wearing a backpack?

[analog field]

Nope

[thin escarp]

server hop

its 44 instead of 88

if its unrefined

[analog field]

How exactly does a server hop work
I know you can change from usa to eu but not servers within us

I can refine but not sell, super odd

[toxic citrus]

Well you can refine it, no?

And then sell it later for more

[analog field]

I generally refine if i get a ton and just sell the smaller loads to keep cash up to refine

Just strange it works sometimes but not others

[analog field]

Seems it's a very very common bug with no work around

[keen badger]

SO i havent ran any cargo in a while. Is 3.16 improved compared to prior patches? Seems like whenever I try to run cargo its either out of stock or I cant sell

[fresh ivy]

Trade is a mess atm

Also, mmm, perfect 32 SCU of quant

[keen badger]

Shame thats like my favorite thing to do

[hybrid arch]

Anyone tryin to Quant mine?

I got a mole

[umbral folio]

its supposed to be the best way to make money atm. Always refine the ore and then sell it. I heared you can make millions pretty quickly that way. Also lot of yt vids available for this topic

[lapis magnet]

Is there a place where I can fill up an MSR full of Agricium without all the wait?

[lusty willow]

There is also a danger of you blowing your ship up if you cant deliver within in 15 minutes though, high reward but also high risk

[gentle ibex]

in the aron belt how long does it take you guys on average to find a decent quant rock ?

[lapis magnet]

depends where you drop out

if you're looking for quant though Lyria is very good

Is there a bonus for refining Quant at Cru L1?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[lapis magnet]

how much of a bonus?

[pallid temple]

3%

[quiet night]

I spent about an hour mining yesterday afternoon, 4 loads in my prospector made me over 950k when I sold it this morning, just need to luck on your side finding the rocks, decent audio book or music on and it's pretty relaxing and easy money

[umbral folio]

yeah also heared that the only thing that can take longer is actually finding the ore. Sometimes you are lucky sometimes you search for while. I am actually working on getting better bounties atm to be able to afford the prospector and start mining.

[analog field]

Once you find popping is usually easy

Roc can make ok money too

[north oyster]

Hurston system -Aberdeen or Arial. I think Aberdeen is the best but it is also the most hilly terrain. Arial is pretty good and is mostly flat as a board. The issue with ROC mining is that the PING is close to worthless so you are flying blind hoping to bump into a gem deposit. It is functional but CIG broke the system with 3.15. Also the collector is wonky and you have to go slow with it only scooping up from the edge and doing single or double gems at a time. Some say you can just backup and let them drop to the group, but I turn the engine off while I mine (old habit from when the ROC would just creep all over the place when you tried to mine).

[north oyster]

for Aaron's Halo, the outer bands is where you want to look to search for Quantainium. As an example, CRU-L1 to ARC-L3, if you drop out at 12M km or higher (closer to CRU-L1) you will be hard pressed to find any rocks. I have found you need to drop out at 11.5M km or closer to ARC-L3, even in the upper 10M km range. Hitting the kill switch near 11.3M km might get you good results. Not all the time, but sometimes I even drop right on top of a high % rock.
If you have a high failure rate of unscanable asteroids, that is a bad server.

[north oyster]

If you want to learn the ropes and earn while you do, hook up with @thin escarp and his crew. You will gain the skill set pretty quick with their industrial operation. You will come away very glad you have a MOLE to use.

@crimson mantle I just wanted to drop a quick note and say Thank you for your website. I really appreciate it and its contribution to the SC community.

[umbral folio]

I guess the Roc has a cargo where it puts the gems. Can you actually shift them over to like a cutlass? Or do you have to load the roc into your ship and fly somewhere to sell it?

im thinking about a 2 man operation here. Where a m8 flys over you with a cutlass for usuable pings and guiding. And as soon as the roc is full just off load into the ship and go on while the other sells stuff

[north oyster]

You can do it that way, I'm not sure if boxes in the ship have the 30k protection. Also, you can sell the gems at any outpost, they do more require refining

[unkempt fossil]

Is there anyone I can mine with at lyria??

[umbral folio]

what is the 30k Protection?

[astral granite]

Anyone every get a full 96 scu of quant mole

Ive came close but

[crimson mantle]

3

[devout thistle]

Where’d you go to mine that?

[astral granite]

No in the belt thats 4 sure

Lyria haha

[devout thistle]

Shieeet

Guess I’m hopping to Lyria

[astral granite]

Lmfao

[devout thistle]

Paradise Cove area?

[astral granite]

Literally all of lyria

[devout thistle]

Gott damn

[astral granite]

The only clusters on lyria are quantanium clusters

So we just search for clusters and long as percents are good we mine

[devout thistle]

8k rocks too right?

I just need to time my surges right and I can solo them

[pure walrus]

When I mine with the ROC, Im forced to aim with my head tracking. How to I bring control back to my mouse?
The only controls I've unbound from the mouse was flight pitch and roll/yaw

[devout thistle]

There’s a keybind you can see in the FOIP control area that turns off tracker.

I bound it to “

[pure walrus]

ok, thank you. That works

after 4 hours the neck gets a little tired

[devout thistle]

Yeah no joke lmao

[boreal gate]

What is a good money making cargo mission on the cutty black?

[cedar flower]

Laranite is always good

[boreal gate]

Is it broken in 3.15 though?

[glacial dagger]

It's not broken, there jsut isn't very much at any one time due to everyone buying as much as they can

[boreal gate]

Oh I see

[worthy scroll]

You usually have to buy the next desirable item, which doesn't pay anywhere near as much, but unless you want to spend hours filling with only the good stuff, it's what you do. You can still make good money with enough cargo space doing that.

I'm not sure a Cutty would be big enough for it to be worth it. You might make more doing box missions, which are pretty low pay for the work involved.

[pure portal]

can you only buy drugs during JT?

[topaz drum]

you can buy drugs anytime, but you can only buy and sell small amounts.. JT was special because there were an unlimited supply and unlimited demand so it was very profitable

[pure portal]

ok

[worldly ledge]

Anyone had any problems with the Hercules Starlifter not storing at the consoles ?

[hybrid arch]

could use an extra hand mining on my mole. '

[faint river]

@worldly ledge the problem is the same for most big ships (Hercules, Carrack, etc…)

[worldly ledge]

@faint river just wasn’t sure if it was something I was doing like pulling too far forward ?!?!

[faint river]

No it’s not you it’s a bug

[pure portal]

how do i set up my prospecter to mine quantanium

[frozen harness]

Anyway to avoid the large surcharge at refineries?

[frozen harness]

Lancet MH1 minjng head with surge, stampede, and whatever 3rd module you choose. Atlas quantum drive, take off the guns.

[pure portal]

where do i get modules

[distant wagon]

@pure portal https://imgur.com/a/7Rwn1fy

[analog field]

I use lance, 2 torrents and a focus 3 can break 5k 49%s

[north oyster]

The server keeps a "heartbeat" of your ship. I think it's updated every few minutes (3, 5, not sure). If a 30K happens, you log back in at your spawn point, when you go to the ASOP you will have an option to retrieve your ship (Do NOT Claim) and it will be in the last state is was before the 30K. In theory you do not loose your cargo. This does not work for client crashes or if your ship is destroyed, etc.

[north oyster]

Port Olisar is a good spot for Surge (remember, get Size 1 for the Prospector) and other components. Of course the first thing is the Lancet laser head, and upgraded QT engine is recommended. I use the Siren (just below the VX-00 fastest QT). If you mine in Aaron's Halo, then no other components are required. I do use Surge to speed things up. If you mind on the moon surface of Lyria, then you will need other items to help with the larger boulders above 5K.

[pure portal]

is there a website i can look at with the modules and lasers?

[north oyster]

Most all your Refinery stores have components. CIG creates an artificial scarce condition, so you have to look around

[pure portal]

i mean DPS calculater is telling me i cant get the lance head

[north oyster]

Yes, the Lancet is the best laser head for Quantainium mining, and it's not very expensive. The Helix, which use to be king of the hill, while still the most powerful does not give you a reasonable "green zone" to charge the ore. And to top it off, the Helix is the most expensive laser at over 120K aUEC

[north oyster]

I'm not sure if this site is up to date, but might be worth checking out:
https://uexcorp.space/trade

[thin escarp]

@north oyster I sent him my guide he should be good now

[loud vigil]

idk if anyone has said this or not but if you are solo mining with a mole absolutely have to have this setup.

mining laser for breaking should be as follows: lancet, with surge, brandt, and i prefer vaux S3 for the lesser instability

extract laser: helix (faster) with 3 Filter S3... gets rid of 60% of inert

i just got a full mole with just over 80SCU of pure quant. worth a whopping 704,000aUEC.

[acoustic garnet]

that is situational tho supposing you find enough Quantanium

[lusty willow]

Hey all, I am a bit confused, why is the Lancet the best lazer for the Prospector? Doesnt the Helix have a much higher power output or is lower better in this case?

[loud vigil]

Even with lower quant rocks this still makes breaking easier, and filters out inert materials.

Even if the rock isn’t enough to fill your cargo with the inert getting taken in the lancet reduces instability by 75%, the helix collects the materials faster allowing for more time to get back safe, the surge makes breaking faster and possible if it’s a big moon rock, Brandt helps the instability again, you could even swap out the 3 filters for the module that increases extract time, but I’d rather have the filter for those nice big clusters.

And the filters make small % rocks next to large % rocks actually worth cracking for that little bit extra.

[acoustic garnet]

i usually look for the 30% plus rocks

before any breaks

[acoustic garnet]

Lancet is slower to break by a little margin but more stable in terms of less energy spikes within a Minable object

[loud vigil]

I do too. I’m just saying. When there is a 10% rock next to a 30 most people ignore the 10. But with filters you can actually get a decent bit without getting a ton of trash.

[acoustic garnet]

true

now do you use the Dy Sulfide whatever to refine it

[valid pawn]

is prospector scanning broken?

[acoustic garnet]

there are False rocks in planets and space that are not scannable

[valid pawn]

...oh what the

i just got the prosp and was wondering what was going on lmao, i thought it was broken

[acoustic garnet]

they will show up like normal rocks and physically be there but they are fake

[valid pawn]

ahh okay, thanks

[thin escarp]

@valid pawn only ghost rocks in space

lyria doesnt have ghost rocks

make sure you kitted that prospector out with laser and modules

[urban sky]

Is quant mining in a prospector profitable

Seen things saying you can make 500k an hour on a bad day

And was wondering if it was true

[feral coral]

Does Jettison cargo not work? o,0

Rather jettisoning the mining cargo I mean

Nvm guess only when it's really unstable

[umbral folio]

yes it is true, all depends a bit on luck how fast you find the ores. Could be anything between 250k- 700k or more per hour. Or Less if you dont find stuff. I tried ROC mining yesterday and was kinda unlucky finding that stuff but even then i made 100k ez not even a full cargo, it just got late and i locked out

[thin escarp]

@urban sky you can do 200-270k easily per run

runs can take like 15-30 minutes depending on your skills and a lil luck

some of my guys pull 2-3 mil a day

i did 5.7 mil yesterday

but i'm using moles.

[umbral folio]

yeah mole OP 😄 getting there is the hard part. Im currentyl saving up for a prospector to then go for a mole. I dont expect that i need much longer then this week to finish it (while working normally)

[marble crater]

well you also need a crew for the mole so doesn't fit everyone

[umbral folio]

oh ok what do you need it for?

thought you could fly it on your own and mine away

[wraith tusk]

It's more fun with a crew, but you don't need it

[marble crater]

having tried both solo Prospector is way faster than trying to solo a mole

[umbral folio]

why is that ? @marble crater

[marble crater]

you can either fly or be in the turret, so everytime you need to move even a tiny bit you have to physically travel across to the bridge

[umbral folio]

ahh ok

do you guys put the cargo directly into a refinery or do you shift it into another ship ( might not even be possible as i think about it)

espiacally cause its volatile af

[thin escarp]

@umbral folio drop it off at the refinery

once refined

its not volatile

once ur ship is stored the timer stops

[umbral folio]

ok ty

[thin escarp]

def can show ya the way if ya want.

i also have a bunch of guides

[umbral folio]

sure, but i am still working on getting my prospector. Currentyl i am either doing bounties or renting a cutty and ROC to mine

mining with a ROC was actually surprisingly profitable

[urban sky]

I’m going for a prospector so I can buy a bunch of ships I want in game

The Connie, 600i, Valkyrie, harbringer and a few others

[worldly ledge]

Finally got the beast .... my new M2 ... ahhhhhhhh

she got a big mouth too , lol

[umbral folio]

uh nice Gz man

[worldly ledge]

on a serious note... does anyone know why no matter what components are used Erkul games says the shields will always eventually overheat on the Argo Mole ? I've already had this happen so upgraded both shields and cooler but havn't tested since doing that last night. it was only today i thought i'd check Erkul

@thin escarp ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[thin escarp]

@worldly ledge nice man!

[worldly ledge]

@thin escarp actually it was about the question above but i think i see the problem is due to the charging/idle switch on erkul

[thin escarp]

@worldly ledge i never upgraded those on my mole

never had a issue really

[worldly ledge]

@thin escarp ships computer was screaming at me about the shields overheating

[thin escarp]

upgrade the power

[worldly ledge]

constantly

[thin escarp]

or overclock it

i'll just overclock it

[worldly ledge]

ok thanks... sidenote... next ship is for occasional scouting work, when i get it i'll give you a shout

@thin escarp

[thin escarp]

gotchu man

[tropic swallow]

I was very happy yesterday

Found me a rock with 32 SCU of Quant in it

Well it had 44.. so a friend took some as well 😄

[worldly ledge]

wow, what size & % ?

@tropic swallow on lyria ?

[tropic swallow]

Yes boss

I beleive it was 7.8k rock

I was not paying muhc attention my friend found it

It was 44% though

[worldly ledge]

@tropic swallow was it in a cluster /single / pair ?

[tropic swallow]

Pair

I found a cluster of 9 rocks.. with and 11% 17% and 24%

And my friend found 1 44% rocks

So we mined theirs lol

2 lancets make it really easy to mine..

@worldly ledge

I know it is viable to mine QT on Lyria solo in the Prospector. Even with a lancet, but I find it easier and a lot more fun to do it with another person.. That way they can find rocks while you are on route to the refinery etc.

Either

Lancet x2
Lancet + Helix

I take the Filter module, lifeline and a stampede. The Helix does not need modules, aside from the filter where necessary as I refine all the QT and split the profits

[worldly ledge]

@tropic swallow yep i know 🙂

i use surge/stampede/brandt on either side and then filter with the center laser

😆

[umbral folio]

sick you made the icons yourself?

[worldly ledge]

@umbral folio yep

[tough gust]

wheres good places to mine?

[worldly ledge]

@tough gust quant or hadenite ?

matching pc too 😆

its all about the orange hahahaha

ARGO all the way

@umbral folio

[uncut grotto]

its really nice
i got it as a loaner ship for the Anvil Liberator
i just love the looks of it

[umbral folio]

lolol sick 😄

[worldly ledge]

yeah i had to get a couple of paints for it too 🤦‍♂️

[uncut grotto]

ooo damn

[tough gust]

@worldly ledgeboth

[worldly ledge]

really like the blue iridescent one !

@tough gust Aberdeen for Hadenite ( use heat suit from refinerys and buy ROC when can and upgrade coolers )

[uncut grotto]

looks hostile af

[worldly ledge]

@tough gust the belt or lyria for quant

@uncut grotto

[uncut grotto]

nice

[tough gust]

@worldly ledgethank you

[worldly ledge]

@tough gust occasionally reset the ROC by claiming it... you can park outside hut to sell hadenite and then just run over and claim the ROC back to the pad to re-fresh it ( first time i did it though it made me jump because the old ROC becomes red and looked like a pirate lol

@uncut grotto THIS is hostile !

[umbral folio]

wait you can just claim the ROC and the cargo stays in there?

[uncut grotto]

yeah that paint is awesome

[frozen harness]

Can you actually crack any bigger rocks with the mole solo

[worldly ledge]

no... do mining, sell cargo then claim

@umbral folio in between runs

[umbral folio]

ahhh ok makes sense

any idear what i can avoid to dont loose the ROC while its in a ship (besides just claiming it from station to station)

[worldly ledge]

@frozen harness yes but still use surge then stampede

2 surge then a stampede

[worldly ledge]

what do you mean ?

[umbral folio]

Lost my ROC in my catty yesterday while changing moons laded ROC gone

[worldly ledge]

thats a bug, never happened to me

[umbral folio]

i might have had a fight in between 😄 so i am not sure if its the fighting that made it glitch out or the warping

[worldly ledge]

i fell out of my ship warping because i was too close to the station before i warped

actually i lost a real world money paid for suit until the next server wipe or i have to reset character because of it

[umbral folio]

lul also a good one. What also happend to me ( which i reported) is when you are on a station go in and dont store come back out and warp away the station might have actually startet storing your ship so you get teleported back and you have to reclaim your ship. The bug here is that the station voiceline didnt make it through

[umbral folio]

i heared about that. At least you can get it back at some point ^^

do you know what happens if your rental runs out ? Does the ship just despawn or will it be on the next docking?

[worldly ledge]

don't talk to me about rentals ! i lost 800,000 credits because of a rental connie !

[umbral folio]

oooof

[worldly ledge]

it said expired but didnt expire and was still able to load work orders onto it from the refinery by accident after renting another connie ! couldnt get them back !

i just wish cig would hurry up and make expired retals disappear from the list everywhere

[umbral folio]

yeah or just dont let you put up orders that would exceed the rent time

[lusty willow]

Anything I can upgrade to make the ROCs mining a bit faster?

[pallid temple]

No

[lusty willow]

ok thanks 🙂 much appreciated

just take soooo long to fill the 80cSCU in it

What to do when extractor has overheated? my system shut down and now I cant pick up the gems?

[glacial dagger]

How long have you been using your ROC bud?

[umbral folio]

lul it can overheat? 😄 never had that

[glacial dagger]

It cant overheat, but they do have a lifetime now

[lusty willow]

for about 2 hours I would say today, engines wont even start

[glacial dagger]

Yh, sounds like it ran out of juice

I suggest manually loading everything onto your ship and then claiming your roc

[lusty willow]

seriously damn..... 40 cSCU 🙈

[glacial dagger]

Yup

That's why I dont normally go beyond about an hour to an hour and a half in the same ROC

[lusty willow]

can I repair it?

[glacial dagger]

Nope

Even if you manage to drive the ROC onto a vehicle pad, you cant repair it to recharge

if you time it right, you can just pull everything from the ROC into the ship your carrying it in, but it sounds like you weren't that lucky. I hope you have a lot of personal storage

[lusty willow]

oh ffs this sucks, so you pay 172K for a thing that stops working after a while

[glacial dagger]

We think it runs out of battery, and currently refueling doesn't count as recharging

hopefully CIG will fix this soon

And dont forget, you can still claim it and get a free one virtually instantly

[lusty willow]

is there a way for me to put down a beacon or map marker so I can come back to the same location, I do not have a backpack with me as I never knew this crap could happen

[glacial dagger]

Nope

You can try leaving your vehicle there and going to get one, but it might get despawned

hopefully when they work on the nav-mesh, we will be able to mark locations

[lusty willow]

i thought things dont despawn?

[glacial dagger]

It's iffy sometimes

Give it a try. the worst that can happen is you might lose your ROC

Wait, where are you mining??

[brisk vale]

Where can I sell refined ore that isn’t the major planet side city’s

[worthy scroll]

Kind of. Pick up a box mission, grab the box for said mission, place it where you want a marker to be.

Then you can track or untrack the mission to have the box show or not.

[umbral folio]

Good to know that the ROC has a invis battery / charging level. So i guess the best is after 1.5hours sell your shit and spawn it new? Or doesnt it "charge" when you store it?

[rose root]

Any Aussies having issues mining tonight? Even on aus servers I'm getting scanning/mining desync. No net issues

[faint river]

@lusty willow did they fix the ROC? it was really buggy before.

The last time I tried you couldn’t mine anything 😂

[autumn mist]

is the actual JT lab back in its normal spot on Yela?

[limber holly]

The Roc is indeed fixed

[lusty willow]

mining is fine I just did not know it could break, was my mistake not the rocs

[limber holly]

I'm having a different issue though: When I scan rocks for Roc mining, 80% of the time it doesn't actually show what's in the rocks

anyone have a solution to that?

[lusty willow]

that from your ship or from the ROC?

[paper pewter]

Are refinery jobs lost on the updates 16.1 16.2 16.3 ?

[umbral folio]

i had that too only thing that helped was switching servers

[umbral folio]

ive just read on reddit that the cooler seems to die on the ROC due to wear and tear. I will check this later maybe you can check right now if it looses durability if you are mining atm

[lusty willow]

canbtg mine or move at all at the moment, every 15 min or so I can move it for about 10 seconds before it shuts down again, it does however fix if you claim it

[worldly ledge]

Guys.... Like I said earlier.. claim your rock in between runs, it will reset its health. Just leave it outside the place where you sell... run over to the other hut and claim it

*ROC

I used to do a few runs and then claim

also if mining on aberdeen ( the best place for hadenite ) try and buy a ROC because you can then upgrade the coolers on it ( just buy the relevent coolers (check erkul) and then they automatically get attached

[umbral folio]

would be good to have anykind of indicator for this. I was hoping the cooler would be good for this instead of having a stopwatch everytime you turn it on 😄

[worldly ledge]

i never used to fill the entire 80scu i think i always sold at 50 scu just in case

@limber holly I never scanned rocks for ROC mining .... fly up to patch of rocks hold F and scroll wheel to zoom in ... if its PINK it don't STINK ( you can't apply this rule to real world situations 😆 )

[limber holly]

fair point

[worldly ledge]

@limber holly @umbral folio another tip is to get voiceattack ( software ) and create a button ( or voice command ) with a repeat rule on press and hold a button that then pings the radar every 3 seconds with 1 press to cancel...... this saves having to constantly mash the tab key

turn and burn on anything that is below 1200

[autumn mist]

anyone know what the sell timers are for drugs from JT?

[midnight lantern]

is there a way to see what is on my ship while in it? does cargo show up in normal inventory?

[autumn mist]

@midnight lantern press I and go to Vehicles tab

that’s what your ship’s local inventory has in it.

I as an India

[midnight lantern]

This extends to materials purchased from traders as well? I know clothing and werapons show, but I cannot see the scrap i purchased 😥

[autumn mist]

Scrap won’t show in your local inventory @midnight lantern

If you want to see cargo that you purchased visibly, go look at your cargo bay

[north oyster]

Just be sure to not LEAVE your ROC in your ship when you claim it because you will have a dud ROC stuck in your ship (not that I personally know why!!)

[worldly ledge]

yep forgot to mention that lol

[autumn mist]

Cargo(stuff that is traded and bartered) shows up in a ship’s cargo hold. Personal items are different however, as those are everyday items like helmets, guns, Medpens, etc.

For example all of these boxes here are cargo. These are drugs I bought from JT.

This is different from a ship's inventory since these aren't personal items I can interact with besides selling and buying them

[north oyster]

ROC components wear out quick, it might be good to park every 2nd or 3rd trip to sell off the gems and reclaim it to make is fresh again. However do not leave it parked in your ship when you go to claim it, it will turn into a ROC size paperweight and will stay there until you claim your ship 😦 ... ask me why I know this, LOL

[north oyster]

Love this, LOL, and yes, with scan being totally screwy, this is the way to go

[autumn mist]

do ROCS have different modules and shit rn like Prospectors do?

or have they not fleshed out ground mining that much yet?

[midnight lantern]

I gotcha. I must have been doing something wrong then. I only have a starter ship, and I think it only let me buy 3 scrap, unfortunately I couldnt see it anywhere, and I tried selling it at a place, but it wont let me select it. I will keep messing around to figure it out

[north oyster]

No, they are complete at the moment, @autumn mist

[autumn mist]

@midnight lantern did you store your ship?

[north oyster]

Scrap is broken, you will need to claim your ship

[midnight lantern]

i did, I am guessing you cannot sell if it is stored?

[autumn mist]

not really any point to even buying scrap I’m pretty sure.

@midnight lantern nah I was gonna recommend you store it but looks like scrap is just buggy.

[north oyster]

Scrap, when it's not "crap" is ok in very large volume like in a C2

CIG totally broke Scarp trading awhile back, it's still fubar

[midnight lantern]

interesting. is there a way to get rid of it? i'm guessing you cannot just dump it or something

[autumn mist]

Holy shit the server tick timers for selling Widow and Slam are so god awful right now

[north oyster]

The only way to clear it is to claim your ship.

[subtle cradle]

Yeah drug trade is broken as well

It stinks

[north oyster]

you'll need to go to another station and make an insurance claim

[autumn mist]

@midnight lantern since your ship is stored right now, I would recommend you spawn it and fly to another station but don’t land on the pad. just leave it hovering somewhere off the side of the station

that way none of the stations have any idea where the fuck your ship is. and then you can file a claim on it

[midnight lantern]

alright. i'll give that a try. appreciate the help, i guess i'll just avoid that commodity

[autumn mist]

laranite is pretty decent rn for hauling

but if you can’t fill up your ship entirely, go for titanium instead

[hollow sedge]

trade tools website broken? always says no results

[faint river]

@limber holly thanks man

[acoustic garnet]

LF MOLE team / Mining in Aaron Halo Belt / need 3 Boom Operators

[limber holly]

Still the case?

[subtle cipher]

anyone got any good tips for making bank in the c2 hercules (cargo)

[acoustic garnet]

yea

[rain karma]

Really enjoying mining and getting decent results with Quant. Next stage for me is transporting it all. I haven't been super active with mining due to JT (could have made so much more money) and I've still got about 160 SCU so that's a number I can definitely increase. Today it took me 2 hours and 5 trips to move the refined Quant from ARC L1 to Area 18 for selling and that's going to really eat into my profit making, so I want a bigger ship to reduce this.

I've been eyeing up the Starfarer Gemini primarily for this role, but also to act as a drop ship for the org I'm in and I also think the refueling element also sounds useful. What makes it so attractive is the flexibility of it; it's got loads of storage, heavy armour and shields, and decent firepower.

Another way would be to go down the Mercury Star Runner route. I've loved this ship since I first watched the 'Architect Reviews' YT video for it and will be getting it when I can. My thought is that it can still do large transportation for mining, but I've always wanted it and I love the data running idea.

Is there anything else I should consider? Have I missed something?

[paper pewter]

Freelancer max = 1.3 mole loads
C2 herc = 20 prospector loads
Have you done cost analysis of the cutlass black or freelancer available to rent in the refinery deck?

[rain karma]

I'm using a prospector atm and generating around 160 SCU per day of Quant.

Freelancer max is undeniably the most cost effective, but it also doesn't seem to have the flexibility of being a drop ship, heavily armoured, or the refueling part/increase what kind of gameplay I can do whereas the others do.

Currently running a Cutlass Black.

[midnight lantern]

Im guessing all kinds of commodities cannot be sold at all trade locations? is there a central location that will buy all types of cargo?

[worldly ledge]

@rain karma i love my new M2 !

[paper pewter]

@rain karma constilation line? Those are more all purpose than a pure cargo ship.

[worthy bough]

anyone need a crewmate right now?

[worldly ledge]

@rain karma can do 4.6mil in one run

[rain karma]

I love it too. Absolute beast. One of our guys has got a cargo one which is cool. I just fancied something different. How does the M2 compare to the star fairer in terms of toughness etc? I love the bombing runs.

[worldly ledge]

@rain karma i don't know i've literally just bought it yesterday

and 2 paints

[rain karma]

Yeah, constilation Taurus I think I was also debating.

[rain karma]

Lol. She's a beauty.

[worldly ledge]

@rain karma had to get the orange paint to go with my mole

[north oyster]

C2 returns varies but I'm hitting between 80K to 120K per run

[north oyster]

I know you already know this, but you are dancing on the knife's edge if the new 3.16.1 patch goes LIVE. I would be burning the roads with that cutty running it to A18 TDD. I use the MAX or Taurus for most my runs

[paper pewter]

there's cargo to buy?!

[north oyster]

Yes, actually "plenty" but you just have to have luck and timing on your side

[paper pewter]

im still tramatized by 30ks 5 seconds after i buy cargo

[worthy bough]

no one need a hand mining?

[north oyster]

Can't help that but 30K's 5 minutes after buying isn't bad

[rain karma]

Yeah, I am. I've got 5 more loads that'll be done refining tomorrow and then I'll be waiting until 3.16.1. If I lose it, I lose it. Ha.

[north oyster]

@acoustic garnet was looking for a crew

[north oyster]

yeah, I cleared house this past weekend. Just running cargo now until the threat is over

[rain karma]

If it happens, it happens. Alpha game so everything will likely get wiped again at some point. Bought the Prospector with IRL cash to get money back up again for when this happens. Currently debating if I should buy the Starfarer IRL with next pay packet too.

[paper pewter]

(its got a lot of doors to go though)

[worthy bough]

@acoustic garnet you got a crew mining vessel?

[north oyster]

The Starfarer has an awesome future with both refueling and refinery options.

[north oyster]

Zero to Hero is a good exercise. I got too rich before the great reset. I didn't realize becoming too wealthy in the game would make one so unmotivated

I did like sponsoring other's to help them get into mining. I was able to spend down before 200M before the wipe

[rain karma]

Wowsers

[rich bane]

What is the sate of mining atm? Prospector/ ROC, last time i was active mining, when ROC was introduced. Tried playing again like 2 months ago, but everything was broken mess.

[rain karma]

Pretty decent, but I only just started playing about 3/4 weeks ago

So I don't l ow what it was like before

Can make a fortune mining Quant

[worthy bough]

that what im trying to get into rn but i cant find a crew

[rain karma]

I honestly think it's broken based on how much you earn in such a short space of time.

[rain karma]

Crew for mining Quant?

[worthy bough]

yeah seems no one is mining rn

[rich bane]

Are you using Refinery?

[rain karma]

What do you need a crew for? I'm not being an arse, just interested?

[rich bane]

Probably for MOLE

[worthy bough]

i dont have a mining ship or anything and thought itd be nice to crew up

[rain karma]

Ah

[worthy bough]

and i leave for like 2 weeks so no point in renting

[rain karma]

You can rent a Prospector. It's better to mine Quant in a Prospector, either on your own or in a group of 3/4

[rain karma]

Have been, yep

[analog field]

@rain karma i don't know if you know this but you can drop the heavy ship at the port and take a smaller one down to the city to sell to save a tiny bit of time

[worthy bough]

its too expensive for me rn

[analog field]

Do boxes/handmine to get the 50 @worthy bough or rent a roc/cutty and do that

[rain karma]

Yep, thanks though. I only have a Cutlass right now, but I'll be using that trick when I get something bigger.

[rain karma]

I can send you the money if you want to rent one and try it out?

[worthy bough]

nono its alright haha imma be away from my computer for like 2 weeks itd be a waste of money

[rain karma]

👍

When you're back, give it a go

[north oyster]

Ship mining is great, if not the best option to earn serious coin in the game. ROC mining is still messed up and hardly worth the effort.

[north oyster]

Check with @thin escarp and his crew. They run a huge operation with multiple ships and players doing massive mining. They train and pay you while you learn. He has this system down to an art.

[worthy bough]

do i tag him or dm?

[thin escarp]

guys do not rent prospectors. the stock laser is useless and it will turn you off mining haha

[north oyster]

LOL, I was just trying to type that out

[sacred idol]

Trying to sponsor me now lol. Just started, still saving for first ship

[pliant matrix]

I need a 600i to carry my refined ores if you've extra money :3

joke

[north oyster]

Currently I'm rebuilding to a base of funds (aka what I consider zero starting point) which is about 50M aUEC. After that, I will be hoping to help aspiring miners get started.

[sacred idol]

Geez, thats still a lot of money. How do you make all that so quickly?

[north oyster]

Mining and Trade. But mainly mining. Let me know when you get close to your goal for a Prospector.

[sacred idol]

Started a few days ago, still in the Mustang. Doing bounties to save up a little and buy a new ship, Haven't decided exactly what to get yet.

[north oyster]

Starting with the Mustang does limit you because you can't do deliveries. The Titan is a good next step and might be worth looking at

[pliant matrix]

go for gladius next. about 1.1mil+100k for weapons. you'll keep it until VHRT and then start making good money (65k/20min)

[thin escarp]

before the last reset I was a billionaire. the last 10 days before 3.15 I gave 800 million to new players/aspiring miners

[sacred idol]

1.1mil is a lot of money, spent maybe 10 hours and up to 400k

[thin escarp]

I run massive scale mining operations. 30-45 deep.

@sacred idol I can help ya earn n learn man

[sacred idol]

Id be down to learn from the master lol

[pliant matrix]

it's an invest. yes it takes time but rather go straight to 1.1Mil than spending 700k in a titan then 1.1Mil in a gladius then 2.2Mil in a pros

[north oyster]

I recommend working Cross and his team, he's a proven leader in this field. You will gain a lot by plugging into & learning and earn

[pliant matrix]

the grind for bounties rep is long too btw

[thin escarp]

it took alot of work. probably have done 2k + mole runs since it came out it feels

[pliant matrix]

Or yes get carried. That's a nice shortcut if you find someone honest enough 😉

[thin escarp]

@north oyster we just hit 200 mil mined in the last 33 days

[north oyster]

Top notch dude, congrats to you and your team. Well earned

[sacred idol]

hehe, would love that. But im fine working for it also

[pliant matrix]

Same 😉 I'm now slowly farming VHRT for getting my prospector+mining head+modules but I take my time

[acoustic garnet]

so why the actual fuck am i having my MOLE at MIC L1 being shot down while landed after having full landing clearance every fucking time i land with Raw Quant

[sacred idol]

Doing MRT with the mustang, also crewing on peoples bigger ships and being gunner

[thin escarp]

i'd use arc l1 instead

@acoustic garnet

also maybe security was tryin to scan you but the message didnt go through

its happened to me recently

[acoustic garnet]

IT has happened 2 times now

the station just kills any landed ship there

if you spawn it there its good, you land it it is killed if it is a MOLE

wont happen with any other ship

[fathom silo]

So, is ROC mining still Bugged as Hell or?

[thin escarp]

its a bit shakey but with good luck and knowing what ur doing

you can pull 200k a hour

@acoustic garnet just impound it

pay the 5k

its worth not dying

where have you been mining. the belt?

[willow coral]

Does anyone have tips for where I can learn more / read more about cargo/hauling guides? How to make money doing it?

[thin escarp]

cargo can be kinda sus rn.

you gotta go for the lower tier stuf

[willow coral]

I have enough saved up for a large ship

[thin escarp]

all the high tier still is hard to get ahold of

[willow coral]

so you're saying I'll never be able to fill a ship with a 500 capacity lol?

[thin escarp]

you can with the cheaper stuff that yields way less profit

[willow coral]

whats a normal profit per run or per hour hauling?

@thin escarp thanks for the tips by the way

[thin escarp]

hauling broke my heart so the only thing i haul now is mined materials.

that ive refined

[north oyster]

Try CRU-L1 or ARC-L1 ... also, I am assuming you do not have a crime stat? If so and you were attacked be sure to contribute to the Issue Council and put in a ticket about the problem.

[north oyster]

Trade is ok, but it is not in a great place. You do now have the 30K protection "heartbeat" that will preserve your ship incase of a 30K. With a C2 you can avg about 80K to 120K per trip on trading but you will need about a million to play with. Of course you can use what you have and go with that. I would check out Jack Axton's "Trade Refresher Course" video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NxTYWawbvM

Also, remember that SCRAP is DEAD, don't mess with scrap

[willow coral]

thanks @north oyster

i'm gonna check out his vid

is there any ship currently better for trading than a c2?

[north oyster]

No, at this time the C2 is king of trade as to volume

690 SCU

Now when the Hull C hits the game, all bets are off

[thin escarp]

@north oyster cant wait

and then give me my 2 orions chris

pls

[willow coral]

lol thatll be a new world

[north oyster]

I've not worked out what is the cheapest ship per SCU to buy. The CAT is 4.6M while the C2 is 4.9, it is worth the extra 300K for the C2

[thin escarp]

i hit billionaire with moles. i'm going for trillionaire with orions.

https://tenor.com/view/so-be-it-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-star-wars-gif-17602502

[north oyster]

LOL, I do want to get an Orion but I'm more of a lone wolf. I'm thinking of a pimped out Liberator with refinery, mining and salvage

[thin escarp]

someday you'll join one of my operations.

[north oyster]

I hope to, this new job has ripped about 15hrs out of my week because of the commuting. Not loving it except the extra cash

[thin escarp]

i literally had to drive from boston to north dakota

im in colorado now. and head to michigan tmr

[topaz drum]

That's my plan: Liberator + Prospector/Vulture

[north oyster]

safe travels, getting cold out there

[rain karma]

Isn't the Cat supposed to be modular though? So you'll be able to extend it in the future?

[valid pawn]

ive been trying to find quant for about 2 hours, am i doing something wrong or is my rng bad lmao

[topaz coyote]

@rain karma from my understanding - you won't be able to make the Cat bigger. you will just be able to change what it can do such as be a cargo hauler OR be a command center (just an example).

[raven cypress]

Hey, quick question is there a timer on how long a completed order can stay in a refinery

[rain karma]

Ah, OK. I thought they'd be able to stick more containers in the middle (obviously up to a maximum size).

[rain karma]

Where are you looking?

[valid pawn]

i was at the halo, then moved to lyria

[rain karma]

Lyria is the way.

[hidden jewel]

We should invent a new crypto currency and call it Quantanium, so we can mine quant irl

[valid pawn]

i spend 5 hrs trying to find quant..lmao

[pure portal]

what is a good planet to find quant on?

[valid pawn]

apparently lyria is really good

theres just risk of getting pk'd

[pallid temple]

Lyria has so much Quantanium it's actually insane

[valid pawn]

whats a good drop point, i dropped at sal-2

[pallid temple]

Sal-2 is one of if not the best location to start from

[worldly ledge]

DAMN - biggest single trip i've done ... check that Quant !

4381 11%

7968 25%

5462 47%

4367 17%

3535 10%

couldn't take it all 😆

think it works out at 716,000 credits !

@thin escarp

[hidden palm]

what ship did you use?

[worldly ledge]

My mole 😁

[hidden palm]

how much is the mole in game?

and how long did it take you to mine all that?

[worldly ledge]

5.13 mil

Not sure , under 1hr

[valid pawn]

what are some good mining modules for mining on lyria? using a prospector

[worldly ledge]

Surge/stampede/Brandt or fltr

[valid pawn]

ty

[worldly ledge]

Look up videos on how to break big rocks with a surge and stampede, make sure you have a lancet

[valid pawn]

yea i got a lancet

[sterile bough]

Imm in a slump on finding rocks. 2 days of mining no luck on belt or Lyria

[worldly ledge]

I gave up on the belt for a bit because I was getting loads of ghost rocks

[sterile bough]

Same

[analog field]

An ursa will fit in a Connie right?

[thin escarp]

@worldly ledge nice dude

[mental granite]

Where do you go to sell refined stuff?

[analog field]

Any of the main towns,i sell at loreville

[boreal jacinth]

Hey guys I'm new to hauling, is there a preferred site for figuring out trade routes?

[velvet turtle]

has anyone managed to sell scrap ?

[analog field]

It's busted

[velvet turtle]

frick

well im pooped

[north oyster]

When looking in the belt, from CRU-L1 fly to ARC-L3. At 11.5M to 11M Km drop out of QT. Where you look in the belt is critical

[analog field]

Some have crazy good rocks others have trash

[tawny gull]

What's an average haul for a full load in a Prospector these days?

[keen crystal]

200k to 270k

[marble skiff]

If I'm going ROC mining, what's better, Connie Taurus or MSR?

[still valley]

I would suggest the Connie (has better weaponry to defend itself, larger cargo bay), but the msr is very manuverable too. I own an msr and roc.

[coarse cape]

msr is better for roc mining imo

connie flies like a brick in atmo

[still valley]

https://starcitizen.tools/Constellation_Taurus
https://starcitizen.tools/Mercury_Star_Runner

[coarse cape]

plus its annoying to use the ramp for the taurus instead of just opening a door and driving out

elevator*

[marble skiff]

I have both the MSR and the Taurus already

[coarse cape]

imo i would use the msr

[marble skiff]

How do I avoid the glitch that makes all the minerals fly into everywhere while I'm sucking them

[still valley]

Yeah. Msr has higher future earning potential due to specialty.

[still valley]

Hold mining arm still, only extract a handful at a time

[still valley]

Check the pinned messages

[fringe kettle]

Are there any viable trade routes for small ships at the moment? Looking at the 6-12 scu range.

[astral oasis]

How did you do that? and in what ship?

I dont understand all the modules

[worthy scroll]

You simply won't make enough money to justify doing it with how cargo currently is. You're better off running delivery box missions, provided your ship has an accessible interior.

[fringe kettle]

Darn

Guess it's time to level up delivery missions

[uneven scaffold]

Do folks chain the box missions? Seems… complicated

[cerulean thicket]

Anyone looking for a MOLE crew?

[keen spruce]

I just bought my Mole, what would people say is the ideal loadout for mining quant? I've heard running 3 lancets is good, but I've also heard having one of the lasers be a helix with fltr-xls is good.

[thin escarp]

@marble skiff the msr imo

@keen spruce i can send you my mining guide

has loadouts for moles prospectors etc. tips tricks where toos how toos bug fixes

[rain karma]

Out of interest, does a mole provide any advantage over a Prospector other than storage and being able to mine bigger rocks due to 3 lasers?

I'm more thinking about Quant stability duration as it makes the extra storage redundant unless you're really lucky. I think 3/4 people in Prospectors is more efficient than 3/4 people in one mole.

[thin escarp]

@rain karma mole is def superior

[fringe sierra]

can i get a guide too @thin escarp

[thin escarp]

yep

[fringe sierra]

was considering buying a mole

[rain karma]

@thin escarp how?

[thin escarp]

i usually do 2 lasers.

and a scout

and i'm pulling 700k every 30 minutes

1.4 mil every hour

its more than a prospector. which your solo. if you dont find shit. your popped.

faster breaking. more stability breaking.

my greenzone is huge. literally 0 chance of death unless a laser goes rogue

[rain karma]

So you use how many people? 3 or 4?

[thin escarp]

including myself 4.

but im lazy i could easily hop in a laser

but i wanna make others money. i'm already rich

[fringe sierra]

how does solo mole compare to prosp?

[thin escarp]

this is just 33 days.

[rain karma]

So I can do 200k to 250k per Prospector per 45 mins.

With 4 prospectors, that's 1m per 45 mins.

[thin escarp]

good luck reproducing that with 4 prospectors at in that timeframe.

[rain karma]

We do.

[thin escarp]

ive been running massive scale operations. its just not effienct.

ok then you guys are perfect amazing miners. with the best RNG 😄 what do you want me to say

you asked me a question i'm giving my answer.

i'll outmine all 4 of you guys every time

[rain karma]

We've been doing it fairly successfully for the past 3 weeks or so. Sometimes it's a pain.

I'm not arguing with you, just trying to understand how it's more efficient given then countdown on Quant.

[thin escarp]

if you scoop more than 10 scu the timer goes up

so on the second rock.

you get time back

so i fill up every time

[rain karma]

We generally run 4 people, one is usually doing a delivery run, and the other 3 are scouting or mining. If we need help, we call in someone else.

[rain karma]

Damn, didn't know that.

[thin escarp]

yeah its nice.

saved my ass a few times.

when we were being greedy

[rain karma]

Lmao. Greed gets ya

[rain karma]

How is this recorded?

[thin escarp]

i have my own website.

keeps track of payouts

refining time etc

[rain karma]

Sweet

[thin escarp]

my members can log and see when they will be paid and how much

etc

[rain karma]

Gg

That's sick

[rain karma]

Again, just to apologise how I may have come across here. Didn't mean for it to be argumentative.

[thin escarp]

all good man

i had a long night i probably came off a lil aggressive myself

you should totally come check out how i run an op

you'll be able to perfect that 4 man team of yours into a massive money maker

[rain karma]

I'd just woken up too, so was probably me being accidentally short. 😂

[rain karma]

For sure! What time zone are you in?

[thin escarp]

depends on the day

[rain karma]

Lol. Well, I'm UK time and generally get on between 1800 and 2300 (GMT) with about an hour for dinner.

What's your in-game name? We'll arrange something when you're free.

DM me if you'd prefer.

[thin escarp]

Crossfires is my ign

[autumn mist]

hauling probably gonna get an uber buff next patch

what with Hull A and cargo refactor on the horizon

also I kinda don’t understand how the persistent hangar addition is supposed to work. is it just giving us a hangar to store cargo or can we permanently store our physical ships there like we used to be able to in the Hangar modules?

[terse creek]

Can you explain that to me ? it reset the timer ?

[thin escarp]

@terse creek so say you cracked a rock. scooped it. timers going. your cracking a 2nd rock you flew too. "hopefully not to far" break it and scoop it all in one go. adding more quantanium adds stability. we've noticed you need to scoop at least 10 scu though for it to go up. the more you scoop the more time you get back. though it will not go back to 15 minutes. you can get some valuable time back.

[terse creek]

that an awesome trick, thanks

[weary quarry]

Morning. Is it better on lyria or belt with the Mole ?

[thin escarp]

@weary quarry lyria

[weary quarry]

Cheers 🍻

[analog field]

It's there some rhyme or reason to how rocks break? Had some 30% rocks crack into zero 100%quant pieces and 20% have two full

[reef narwhal]

Lyria get nerfed?

[pallid temple]

Not at all

[analog field]

Rng gonna rng

[reef narwhal]

marvellous

[analog field]

Having upgraded lights would be great for cave mining

[keen spruce]

I'd definitely give that guide a read if you send it to me. I'm well-versed in mining in my prospector now, but am very unfamiliar with the mole.

[teal crater]

New to mining and I just purchased a prospector

What's a good transport ship that can hold at least a single refined prospector haul?

[urban flame]

cutty black

rent one for 27k ish at any refinery

that or a connie taurus cant rent the taurus tho

[teal crater]

Thinking about melting a redeemer and grabbing a connie or maybe even a2

[urban flame]

A2 is the bomber, it can only hold a bit more than the connie taurus

you want a M2 or C2

C2 holds 672
M2 holds 468
A2 holds 234
Taurus holds 174
cutlass black 42

[odd snow]

@teal crater If you are subscriber, rumor has it that the C2 series is next months ship.

[pallid temple]

Yeah the Hercules is February

[odd snow]

Hope they fix cargo by then to give us a chance to try that loop out

[teal crater]

Poggerssss

[pallid temple]

The cargo refactor is 3.18

So after February

[coarse cape]

Cargo is fixed rn but like