industrial-professions

[fluid sun]

what's a good way to get your vehicle and ship to meet up?

[shell edge]

cutlass black has 46 SCU, and the freelancer has 66 SCU, so those would probably be good options for you, if you want to trade

[verbal onyx]

sweet

[shell edge]

both can be rented at the cargo deck at everus harbor I believe

[verbal onyx]

awesome thank you sm

my backpack is bugged lol i started off mining but then i couldnt even access my backpack inventory

stupid bugs

[shell edge]

yeah, can you drop the inventory of the backpack inside your ship?

[verbal onyx]

like i cant even put shit in the backpack lol

it just goes to my pockets

and chest rig which isnt right because i have te backpack equipped

[shell edge]

tried it out on PTU? Big changes coming to inventory in the next patch

[fluid sun]

if you're on PU there are issues with backpacks disappearing etc

in PTU they will be separated from the chest core piece

[verbal onyx]

idek how to switch versions so im still in the main one

[shell edge]

it is not that difficult. Make a copy of the Live folder, and rename it to PTU, then go to the website into your account, and then settings, there is something called copy account to PTU...you will then get an email with a password to the ptu site, go to that site, log in once, and after that you should be able to select PTU from the launcher....install the latest patch, and you should be good to go. Read more here: https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000668488-Install-the-Star-Citizen-PTU

[verbal onyx]

awesome thank you

man this restock is taking forever. i have so many units left

[fluid sun]

Any good way to load the roc into a ship? How do I find the perimeter gate I come out of by ship? Seems hard to do in the dark in a storm around Lorville. I know I can just go and insurance claim it where I need it but it's more fun to load it etc so just wondering if there's a trick. Will there be an indicator for the ROC when I'm flying?

[shell edge]

different restock rates at different places, also, the shop inventories are shared over all servers, so that might factor in as well

[verbal onyx]

fucks sakee

so there isnt anything i can do

[shell edge]

you can find the places with the largest restock rates? 🙂

have you been at SC-trade.tools ?

it lists the restock rates pr minute

(still takes about 10 minutes though, to see the update)

also lists max shop inventory

I made a little spreadsheet for myself for trade, but it is not meant for public consumption, I would have prettied it up a bit then, but feel free to use it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EoKXTAxW7QOqwr0nkktFm7AmRir3uYK8quppi_vp36w/edit?usp=sharing

change the SCU to match your ships SCU

there are unfinished parts of it

you will have to make your own copy if you want to change some numbers

[verbal onyx]

where on sc trade tools does it list the places?

so does this mean that every 10 mins i can sell 115 units?

wait

dont answerthat im dumb uec is the currency

[shell edge]

there is a separate menu for shops

where you can look up stats pr shop

10 units pr minute, maximum stock of 800 units

and it is not SCU units 🙂

[verbal onyx]

damn so that really sucks then

[shell edge]

yes, and it can be very difficult to sell as well, especially with larger quantities

drugs, that is

[verbal onyx]

maybe i should take drugs out of my runs then

damn im literally stuck in hex core the elevators are fucked

[shell edge]

well, it is the best choice if you have little cargo space, but once you upgrade to a bigger ship...it is difficult

and you may have to wait a bit

[verbal onyx]

guess ill wait here for restock after akk]

all

christ i have to wait an hour

[shell edge]

how many units do you have?

800 units?

[verbal onyx]

598 now

488*

[shell edge]

yeah, you have to factor in waiting time, and how many runs you could do in that time with a smaller profit pr run...

sometimes it might be more economic to do more frequent runs with less profit pr run, than having to wait for the big payout

[verbal onyx]

so instead of buying max just buy a little?

[shell edge]

no, it is more about what type of cargo you choose.... take me for instance, I could make most profit pr run in a hercules C2 by filling it up with laranite, but I usually will have to wait a long time to get it filled up to max capacity of my ship (696 SCU). It might be more profitably for me to do 2-3 runs of titanium in the same timeframe.

I am opportunistic when it comes to laranite, but I will take titanium when it is not available

[verbal onyx]

ive just been switching resources whenever the site gives me a higher price

lmao grim hex elevators still aint workin

gosh

[shell edge]

do the EVA route 🙂

[verbal onyx]

i dont think i even have an eva suit

[shell edge]

any armor or undersuit will do, just need a helmet

if you follow the arrow next to the admin office on GH, there is an EVA route out of the station

you can then land on the pads and go in and get your ship

or is the elevators to the hangars that do not work?

[verbal onyx]

awesome i got it

[verbal onyx]

WOOOHOO i sold my shit to another station in one go

[bright star]

[mortal kettle]

appiejuice, you can set filters to ignore vice (drugs) on sc trade tools, or set a minimum refresh rate such as 1000/minute. 100 units = 1 scu

[keen minnow]

thx

[hallow swallow]

Trying to sell some scrap at samson & son's on wala in 3.15. anyone faced an issue with the terminal not showing your ship in the sell menu?

[maiden brook]

If you are having issues getting out of the seat in the prospector, do a gender swap so you wont have the issue in the future. Bug seems to affect male characters.

[frail roost]

Seems to more effect people who don’t take their hands off the controls during the animation.

[maiden brook]

I press it and let go. I do nothing else. If it was that issue as you stated then it would be on both genders. Not just one.

[frail roost]

as a Male character, I've had about a 1% chance of getting hit by it when I left the controls.

[bitter wave]

ohhhh, that's why i got stuck in my prospectore this morning! Thanks for the tips then

[mortal kettle]

oh great, another mining exploit

[cold ridge]

Does the new ARGO ship function with the MOLE in any way ?

Like, are we ever going to have a use for the amazing cargo bags

[crimson mantle]

Not at this moment

[hollow sedge]

What’s a good place to sell azatine?

[verbal onyx]

why the hell wont the charge level on this rock go up

[north oyster]

Normally the TDD's (or CBD in Lorville)

[hallow swallow]

3.14 or 3.15?

[verbal onyx]

nvm laser is too weak

all good

[north oyster]

There is also a bug when the laser stops working

[hallow swallow]

haha ok. there is a bug tho for roc mining if that happens. there's a simple workaround.

[verbal onyx]

what should i do

[verbal onyx]

can i eject certain materials in the prospect

[pliant matrix]

not at the moment.

[crimson mantle]

It's all or nothing for now

[verbal onyx]

poop

[rose apex]

if

i want

to do cargo run

what ship should i get

and most importantly

is it worth it to do cargo

[crimson mantle]

There will be a wipe of all cash in the next few days (for the next patch, 3.15)

But yes, cargo is worth again

Fell free to use https://sc-trade.tools/home to see what's the best for you and your ship

[rose apex]

oh yeah i know for the wipe i am planning what i want to do

and so uh what would be the best cargo ship?

[crimson mantle]

Well, the biggest one right now is the Hercules C2

But there are arguments to be made for the Caterpillar

Then the Constellation Taurus,
Then the Freelancer MAX

[fair cloak]

Will they wipe the cash though or keep the persistance?

[pallid temple]

Its a wipe

[crimson mantle]

Everything will go: you will start with whatever your hangar has in the website

[rose apex]

mmh i really like the hercule but idk bitween the M2 and C2
C2 has more space but M2 is cooler and a bit more firepower
are the turret automatic or do they need a player?

[fair cloak]

Nice... I like those.

[crimson mantle]

Currently, the turrets all need players.

[dense pond]

M2 is supposed to be a military drop ship

[rose apex]

i just like the gray paint xdd

[crimson mantle]

We don't know how many will be able to be automated in the future, or how many years in the future that will be 😄

[crimson mantle]

You can look at comparison videos online.
For cargo, the C2 is the obvious choices though. There will be more paints in the future.

[rose apex]

Yeah ill go for the c2

i meaan ill just farm for it lol

Also if i got it right during the iae you can try ship for free?

[crimson mantle]

Yes, on Crusader day you should be able to rent it for free

[idle knoll]

hey all, just a quick one... am i the only one who gets that bit infuriated at cSCU? i wish it didnt exist and anything less than 1 SCU was in mSCU 😦

its a meaningless gripe i know but yeah it bugs me

[crimson mantle]

You should see all the annoying conversions I have to do when datamining xD

[idle knoll]

also from the sounds of the current know issues list.. is roc mining basically broken in 3.15PTU?
Surface FPS Deposits are missing collision, preventing mining

[north oyster]

FPS/ROC mining is in need of a lot of love. Besides the Radar PING totally unable to find deposits unless you are sitting on them, you have the coolers burning out in one or two runs, the laser failing and a few other items. Now the deposits themselves being un-minable. Yeah, this will have to be fixed before it goes live. BUT I have seen CIG ignore the issues and push the patches to live anyway. 🙂

[idle knoll]

yeah the 1.2km ping range sucks for sure, but what annoys me most is that the roc sometimes gets desync'd about if its in extract or fracture mode

amd relogging doesnt fix it either

[sonic laurel]

This is going to be a mission and MOLE patch for me

at least until I buy my C2

[hallow swallow]

I get that it is an alpha, so if they don't fix the ROC mining right now exactly. I understand. But it's still frustrating as hell.

[fair cloak]

Welcome to how cargo hauling has been for the lats 2 patches.

[unkempt spoke]

Hey does anyone have a general hourly estimate for the prospector on income from that?

nothing exact, just average rough income from the ship

[polar flame]

varies greatly by skill / luck /stability of server

[unkempt spoke]

yeah just looking for a general

I understand its going to vary

like in trading I can guarantee a $70k/hr even in the worst of circumstances but that can approach $200k

[mortal kettle]

prospector can get 400k-500k / hour in materials, but needs to wait to refine and transport / sell refined materials

and i've had times flying around 30 minutes without finding a good rock. sometimes i find a good rock in less than 5-10 minutes

usually does not take 30 minutes to find a good rock though

after wipe i'm going to do halt illegal monitor missions in my taurus until i can buy an xl-1 for taurus, burst for prospector, lancet, some consumables, and enough to refine some quant

[mortal kettle]

If I un-equip a mining consumable, and equip again, does it discard old one and give me one with max charges? i forgot

[hollow sedge]

ok i need to know, Is the Lancet or Helix mining laser more worth it for a MOLE?

[idle knoll]

for the mole? why not both?

[unkempt spoke]

Lancet+Stampede

[hollow sedge]

sorry i guess i should have been more specific haha, i mean more towards Solo mining

[hallow swallow]

if going for quant mining you'll want the lancet

[idle knoll]

yeah u want that stability, u can use consumables to get the charge into the rock

[hollow sedge]

awesome, thanks!

[tardy flower]

Yeah Lancet for Quantainium, but if you have a Mole, take some beers and have a crew 😁

[sonic laurel]

remember that the more lasers are on one rock the easier it is to be in the green zone

two lasers can be at a steady say...10% while a primary fluctuates by small amounts

there is no rock that triple lancets can't pop easily

[midnight egret]

Anyone happen to know if the Andromeda cargo bay or the Phoenix cargo bay can fit both a ROC and a Cyclone in them?

[mortal kettle]

Good, exploit fixed
"Fixed an issue that caused fully minable nodes to drop when dropping gems on the floor"

[frail roost]

The reports I saw on that one indicated that the mineable nodes didn't drop anything when popped.

[mortal kettle]

they did if you stored at a hab and did a character reset, they would become mineable

[frail roost]

Lol that's busted. Glad they fixed it.

[frozen moss]

trying to sell slam i bought it from lyria and gallog says reclamation on hurston will buy but the console won't let me sell. any help?

[north oyster]

Check SC Trade Tools, but the buy cycle is extremely slow. It's going to take a long time to sell any quantity of slam

[crimson mantle]

In this patch SLAM is only bought in 2 space stations: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/SLAM

Don't trade in drugs though: the wait times are way too long if you have more than a few units.

[north oyster]

On these last few days of 3.14, are there any players that would like to get a Prospector to try and fly? This is good for 3.14 only. This is an in game aUEC purchase. My internet has been where I can't play but it connects long enough to wire funds. DM me if interested.

[cedar grail]

Does aUEC carry over

[north oyster]

Nothing is carrying over in 3.15

Total Reset, aka wipe

[cedar grail]

Cool I get to get rid of my 289 aUEC

And start over

I’m broke as hell lol

[lethal kayak]

@north oyster do we also loose the ships bought with aUEC?

[mortal kettle]

"total reset"

[north oyster]

Yes, it'll be just like the first time you logged in

[lethal kayak]

so all the effort... for the prospectors... the MAX's... the Hammerhead... all gone

wow..aint that shit

[mortal kettle]

i'm looking forward to starting over

[lethal kayak]

i like to come back once every few months.. test out the new patches... then go... this... this is just crap

i cant push more time into farming just to test it back again

[mortal kettle]

there used to be a wipe every patch

[lethal kayak]

a long time ago...with money infnite glitches and duplications and shit.... yes

[mortal kettle]

hasnt been a wipe for a year and a half

they are implementing new inventory and testing economy

also there were too many auec from exploits in economy

[lethal kayak]

they did wipe aUEC at some point if i remember correctly.. not ships tho

wiping ships is just...

i dont care if they wipe aUEC.... i can always go farm some lovely asteroids in my prospector...

but if patch wipes it all? bah... aint starting it all in the Aurora

[mortal kettle]

what do you think people brought with exploited auec? ships

[lethal kayak]

It's not like they added new content... box deliveries.... some tier1 missions.. the same old grind....

it doesnt matter if people bought ships with exploited aUEC... they can drive one.. and thats ok... if u have a new economy thats completely different

whats the point in now grinding AGAIN for a ship u already grinded for...because some people exploited? much wow... so fun

U can wipe ships with a BETA launch.,..sure thing.. this game is alpha...

[mortal kettle]

TESTING

payouts have changed since last full wipe

[lethal kayak]

as in...driving ships around...testing ... etc... grinding is not testing

[mortal kettle]

there will be more wipes in future

[lethal kayak]

and u dont need to test grinding linear money curves... they have the data for that

What i'm saying is they are killing the fun of this game

[mortal kettle]

alpha

[lethal kayak]

How are you gonna test the manouvering in atmosphere of a hammerhead if they change something?

by grinding the aUEC? lol

[mortal kettle]

testing of progression in different career paths from a fresh start for balancing

and maybe again after salvage is fully introduced

this was announced in september

Currency Hotfix and Upcoming Wipes
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/currency-hotfix-and-upcoming-wipes

[open viper]

its alpha there are going to be wipes

this is normal for any game

[north oyster]

Career building in different trades like cargo and mining isn't grinding to me

[open viper]

this should not come as a surprise

[north oyster]

They are splittings the current system into three pillars so now they can wipe one aspect without destroying everything

[open viper]

game has a lot of ships but as i don't care for combat im not really sure what to buy......i already have a C2 and a prospector

[mortal kettle]

mole

maybe a medical ship

[open viper]

hmm

mole would be nice if i had others to play with

[oak lake]

join an org lol

[hollow sedge]

hey guys i need a hand i have the greycat roc and im trying to mine in arial, but i can only find the really big rocks, can someone help please?

[mortal kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMbZsk_IdU

also, wipe soon. wont hurt to practice roc mining though

@hollow sedge

[hollow sedge]

yea i just baught the roc

[main saddle]

Did some analysis on refining a load of Laranite at Arc L1 of profit versus processing time (sorted by processing time). Ferron Exchange looks like a fairly solid choice.

From the same figures

[north oyster]

This IAE you might want to consider getting the entry level salvage ship. I've got a setup similar to yours (Prospector, C2, Corsair). I know I will need to do some basic deliveries and missions (illegal monitors, etc) to get enough funds to begin mining and trade.

[north oyster]

Great work, thanks for putting this together.

[main saddle]

Same ratio held true for Hephaestanite too. Think I'll use Ferron Exchange. 33% of the time needed at only about 3% profit loss, it looks like.

[north oyster]

Just like Volt mentioned, the ROC has some challenges with the radar PING. This was listed as a "Known Issue" the whole time 3.14 was in the PTU but suddenly changed to "works as designed" just before 3.14 dropped Live. It is a problem that we need to make more noise about to CIG. Until then, you will need to be within 1000 meters of a deposit before you see it.

[north oyster]

I normally default to Dinyx since I'm not in a rush but knowing Ferron gives you as good results faster for increased price is worth keeping in mind.

[main saddle]

not sure why XCR exists lol

[north oyster]

Noobie trap

[main saddle]

for Heph, it's actually a net loss from raw

[north oyster]

I need to see if I can find the bonus listings for the different refineries. I know that CRU-L1 is the only one with a 3% bonus for Quantainium in Stanton.

[main saddle]

i might have an older listing

yeah, the one I have is from 3.12

[midnight prairie]

Are med supplies still a limit on sale?

If so how many SCU can you sell in amount of time

[real yew]

Can you refine Ore that you've bought at a mining outpost?

[main saddle]

No, that's already refined, as such, and traded as a cargo commodity, to my knowledge. The refineries only see what's in a mining ship.

[amber terrace]

think in Quanta: one day demand fo refined is through the roof at let's say Area18. Profit is 3-4x than normal. Players rush to mine, refine and sell. But that demand will only lasts for a few hours before Area18 is flooded.
Here XCR will be viable and it will be the folks who arrive after waiting for their Ferron/Dinyx that will make loss because there's no demand left.

[hollow sedge]

Oof ok thanks anyway

[north oyster]

Very good point. We will also need timely alerts. I wonder if they'll tie this level of "information" into reputation

[regal pier]

In the latest build of SC 3.15, Admin trade terminals at Everus Harbor & Baijini appeared to have service errors when I tried to sell cargo of any amount - I think more areas were affected, too.

The 30k protection seems to have done its job, though.

I was able to sell at Area18's TDD. Until that get fixed, kinda recommend avoiding Everus & Baijini for selling - not sure if it was just the distilled spirits for the commodity prices or the trade terminals were broken - will have to mess with the terminals more.

Was having much better luck with SC Trade Tools, anyway.

[amber terrace]

Alerts are working even now. Currently it's a bit weird that they inform only about low profit commodities and not something like Laranite but it tells me getting supply/demand info for players is priority with Quanta.

[mortal kettle]

sc-trade.tools , look for refineries under mining

i'm going to make my home arccorp and just stick to arc-L1 even though it doesnt have quant bonus. closer to arccorp

also i like the shops

[north oyster]

I'm still up in the air for my initial actions of rebuilding. Testing a couple of options

[mortal kettle]

prospector should come with arrow, i'll use arrow or taurus for bounties or illegal monitor missions in hurston area to build up some cash for a few parts and consumables and refinery costs

i have a shopping list
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRgJdU17uoI_wwMoUWKM9wg_TSwZsVVqc0CA28ek5WE/edit?usp=sharing

[hallow swallow]

In the PTU the ROC mining extraction is also an issue now. Unless it has been fixed the last couple days. With the latest 2 patches, I've been disconnected or crash out of the game so quickly I haven't been able to leave NB to try anything.

[mortal kettle]

i think the coolers are bugged too on ROC?

I have not tried it, but you can hand mine gems on asteroids now, might be more fun / easier than roc mining now

would just need mutitool + orebit, and armor + backpack

and ship

i think i will go try that on ptu

[real yew]

I've heard the Prospector is bugged in 3.15 so that you cannot get out of the pilot chair anymore?

[pallid temple]

That bug has been around for a while

[mortal kettle]

weirdly, only for male characters. just make a female character

[pallid temple]

Fairly easy to get around, just hold Y and don't touch any input

[mortal kettle]

it's different now

[north oyster]

Yes, they burn out in a heartbeat

[pallid temple]

Different how?

[mortal kettle]

can still get stuck without input, if male

[real yew]

interesting! Y is for seat exit? (My input are all cutomized lol)

[pallid temple]

Y is the default

[real yew]

Ok, I use X for that

[north oyster]

Don't forget to place what items you will need in the ship's inventory, like appropriate armor for environment (if using a ROC)

[mortal kettle]

oh, im trying hand mining gems on asteroids

[hallow swallow]

I didn't know this was a thing, then I saw 2 white diamonds on an asteroid. I was like wth is that. Moved in closer and surprised to see gems on the asteroid.

[mortal kettle]

ok, so apparently you need to be within 100m to see gems on asteroid

if i point at the asteroid, i get the green and red zones

but not if i point at the gem on the asteroid

also could not scan gems from ship, might be a bugged one

[daring bough]

Is drug running really profitable in game

[mortal kettle]

no, because it takes too long to sell

another one without a gauge

and another one. haven't been able to mine any of the ones i found

easy enough to find but can't mine them without a gauge

[frail roost]

As Volt said, buying Drugs to sell is pointless when it’ll take a month to empty your hold.

[daring bough]

Wait why

Would it take so long

[tame elbow]

There is no demand for drugs

People don't want to buy them

[daring bough]

Let me guess all risk no reward for using

Or buying

Or touching

[tame elbow]

I don't know what you mean- but people can buy drugs but have a hard time reselling them

[daring bough]

Any applications besides oding your enemy

[tame elbow]

Trading posts in Stanton don't want them

[mortal kettle]

slam for example is Max 5,000 units + 2,000/min

[main saddle]

Good point. I’ll need to analyze some other ores, but right now, it seems like for Laranite, XCR doesn’t really offer much benefit over just selling the raw ore. And for Hephaestanite, it costs more than selling raw.

[tame elbow]

You can't consume the drugs

So no, there is no application at all

It's just cargo

[daring bough]

That’s what medicine guns are for

God those where hilarious

[tame elbow]

You can't put SLAM in a curelife handheld

Drug cargo are just cargo

[daring bough]

Yikes

Useless indeed

[mortal kettle]

wait that doesnt seem right

too high

[tame elbow]

Unfortunately, yeah

[mortal kettle]

https://sc-trade.tools click on show stock details
keep in mind if it says 100/ minute, 100 units = 1 scu

for example with nomad
https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522CNOU%2520Nomad%2522,%2522investment%2522:100000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522SLAM%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:5000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%2522Vice%2522%255D,%2522itemTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522maxVolume%2522:22%257D

look at the right side, below the selling price

[mortal kettle]

oh, refresh rate was correct but the buying price there is very low

[hallow swallow]

Anyone try fit a roc in a 400i? Reddit posts from about 3-4 weeks ago it seemed possible. I'm not able to now. The top of the roc is too tall to fit under the ship before I reach the cargo bay.

[frail roost]

IIRC, CruL4 terminal was put in as a way to clear your hold without sacrificing your ship.

[frail roost]

They reverted the change that allowed it.

[hallow swallow]

Gah

Must have missed the memo

[frail roost]

It made the landing gear way too stiff. Like landing on toothpicks.

(The change was to max out the landing gear travel, disabling the suspension system)

[hallow swallow]

Well there goes 400i and ROC mining combo

[frail roost]

Yeah…

FreeMax is better for ROC anyway.

Or a C2 for, like, 10 of them.

[hallow swallow]

I mean for sure it's more practical. But it's not as pretty 😆

[upper phoenix]

Do boxes still fall out of the Cyclone?

[mortal kettle]

uh oh.... has this happened to anyone? https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-21672

[manic whale]

what?

[real yew]

Hi, does anyone know if the mining scanning mode works in 3.15?

[real yew]

Or a Cutty Red

[main saddle]

Sorry to reply twice, but I wasn’t fully awake yet when I read what you’d said 😅 and I totally missed the point you were making about price fluctuations with Quanta demand — in which case, the XCR refined product might turn some worthwhile profit.

[toxic snow]

hey dumb noob question, what kind of equipment do you need for hand mining? would i be able to do it in my aurora?

[shell edge]

@toxic snow Backpack, pyro multitool, orebit mining attachment, a ship, and some armor that can tackle the environment you are mining in.

[toxic snow]

@shell edge thank you!

[molten plank]

Does anyone know where some cool caves are that the roc-ds will fit into?

[main saddle]

Caves are hard to locate. Take a missing person search mission and it will tell you how the cave can be accessed.

[molten plank]

Cool, where might I find one of those missions?

[main saddle]

in the general tab under investigation

Typically are some planetary caves at Hurston and Microtech, as well as most moons.

[clever spruce]

Exploring caves with my flashlight is difficult.. beam doesn't go far or wide enough. Is there a trick / item I should be purchasing?

[mortal kettle]

asteroid hand mining is fun

[main saddle]

there are flares you can buy to drop as needed. I haven't used them. I haven't done a lot of caves. I'm not claustrophobic, but, yikes, after going far enough into a cave, I just want out 😅

[mortal kettle]

can hand mine gems on asteroids :)

just no extraction mode to hoover them up

[main saddle]

Yeah, I do asteroids when I mine 🙂

[amber terrace]

and I was about to take a nap myself 😄 . Yeah, right now game is too static for this to make difference but I look forward to the future where detailed knowledge about both the market and these refining methods will be crucial to make profits.

[main saddle]

true, true

[mortal kettle]

would be nice if there was more than 1 viable place to sell quantainium to

low price on area18? could take somewhere else

[crimson mantle]

Yeah :/
It's really just Area18 in 3.14. We'll see if they make big changes in 3.15

[mortal kettle]

is there a way to show price range? i forgot if desktop shows it, on mobile at the moment. like 80-88 for quant?

on commodities page

also on best buyers

full taurus at 88/unit is 1,531,200 auec of quant, but if selling at 81, drops to 1,409,400

for quant i would still sell

[crimson mantle]

Not at the moment, but it's on my list 😄

[mortal kettle]

cool, thanks

[mortal kettle]

I love this tool
https://scorg.tools/mining

[teal ridge]

Does anyone find roc mining a faster way to make cash than the 11 or 12 k VHRT bounties?

Is roc mining hadinite still useful? 🤔

On Arial or can hadinite be mined somewhere else 🤔

[marble crater]

Slow to find rocks since the 1km scan range change

[pure dove]

how do i get the argo mole. or what the free minig ship?

[open viper]

theres no free mining ship?

you get the argo cargo for referring a friend

i think

[crimson mantle]

The current referral bonus is the Argo MPUV Cargo, not the mole! They are very different ships 🙂
https://starcitizen.tools/MPUV-1C

[pure dove]

okay, thx. is it a way to get it with out refunding it and then buying it again?

[crimson mantle]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but here are the details of the promotion: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/18367-Fall-Referral-Bonus (scroll down for the Q&A)

[pure dove]

okay thx.

[frigid musk]

wish there was an easier way to pick up all those rocks

🙂

[hallow swallow]

Not only that, in PTU ROC extracting is wonky. Each gem you extract contributes less sCU than in 3.14.

[flint drift]

And in 3.14 ROC mining is just not worth it..

[north oyster]

ROC is FUBAR at the moment. Really salty about CIG's handling of this gameloop.

[mortal kettle]

a lot of rocks don't scan properly also

[mortal kettle]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-14907

had same issue hand mining

doesnt scan so no mining gauge. tried 5 gem nodes on asteroids, only 1 showed mining gauge with multitool

i hope they fix it

[hollow sedge]

anyone up for some cargo missions?

[flint drift]

When 3.15 is out on PU am 100% onboard then!

[hollow sedge]

when is the "Live" update due?

[flint drift]

Well i think we were expecting it the day before yesterday... But i would bet on this week maybe on Friday we will have it.

[slim atlas]

I'm thinking like weds or some random day

that way the servers gradually get more players due to full wipe and dont have a mass of players on at once

[north oyster]

Seems there are some issues that could constitute as blockers. But that's never stopped CIG before. Thinking end of week

[thin escarp]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-15-0u-ptu-7864040-patch-notes/4532306

one of the big ptu bugs for miners guys

it's one of the things stopping 3.15

pls upvote

rocks are disapearing after first break.

[crimson mantle]

Now that trading sort of works, they can't have the whole game be fun at once! 😄

Jokes aside: It'll get fixed, it's too big not to

[bright star]

[real yew]

Can somebody tell if the scanning mode for mining is fixed in 3.15?

[real yew]

reading through that page... is there anything that is NOT currently broken in 3.15??

[unkempt spoke]

For me nope, I had to put the game down because it broke

Hopefully whatever gets pushed to live is actually playable but I'm getting a whole lot of purple textures right now on any graphics setting but very high

[lilac hedge]

3.17 hype

[unkempt spoke]

maybe in a year we'll get 3.17

[mortal kettle]

try deleting user or shaders folder

[unkempt spoke]

yeah that works but I have to do it every single time I launch the game 🤷‍♂️

[frigid musk]

New at mining .. but does a Greycat ROC need attachments?

this doesn't seem to be working

[hallow swallow]

the ROC can't mine those big rocks

only a prospector can.

at a mass of 5.4k, it'll be a little tough even for a prospector, buy doable.

[frigid musk]

got it!

but the diamond symbols dissapeared as soon the charging was done.

I think that's a thing from the current PTU

[mortal kettle]

scanning is busted right now

rocks do not scan, mining gauge does not show sometimes

maybe i was just on a ghost rock

but happened with hand mineable too

[tacit crater]

I’m looking to pick up a cargo hauler during IAE and I’m split between the C2 or a Cat. C2 obviously has a larger hold, but I don’t know whether it will be viable once cargo gets physicalised. Anyone here got any views?

[crimson mantle]

What do you mean once cargo become physicalised?

You can always rent them for free during IAE and see which one you like better.

The caterpillar will have modules in the future, but the C2 handles much better

[tacit crater]

At some point in the near future cargo will be physicalised to the point where it has to be manually loaded and unloaded, either by you or by NPCs

[crimson mantle]

That's what they said, yes

[tacit crater]

I was wondering whether the Cat would be better in that regard…. Or whether it actually won’t make a difference what ship you have

[crimson mantle]

As far as I know, there are no details on that

[tacit crater]

I’ve tried both and honestly like both 😂

[crimson mantle]

But the C2 has two giant ramps, so you can still load by both ends without needing fancy equipment

[tacit crater]

That’s very true

[crimson mantle]

The maximum crew requirements might also be something to consider

but again, we don't know if different ships will take longer to load by NPCs

[tacit crater]

Maximum crew requirements?

[crimson mantle]

How many people it takes to fully crew the ship

for the C2 it's listed as 2

[pallid temple]

That's minimum crew

[tacit crater]

Ah I see

[crimson mantle]

The caterpillar is 4

[pallid temple]

Maximum crew is how many people the ship system's can viably support

[tacit crater]

I mostly play solo so lower minimum is better

But I don’t think you have much of a disadvantage running a Cat solo?

[crimson mantle]

Probably not, but we don't know how the turret automation will work exactly either: remote turrets vs manned, etc.

[tacit crater]

True

[crimson mantle]

They did say some stuff, but until it's in the game it's a gamble

They are both fine ships and cost about the same in game, so there isn't a clear winner I don't think

[tacit crater]

Maybe I’ll go with the C2 to start and can reassess once we eventually know more about physical cargo

Be interesting to see if they’re going to make any changes to the Cat during IAE too

[crimson mantle]

The C2 is a great ship regardless 😄

[tacit crater]

Too true

Thanks for your input 😁

[mortal kettle]

c2 is quicker to get from pilot seat to exit

[past sequoia]

Anyone know if starfarer is getting revamped soon? I thought I heard something (especially after news it’ll have refining)…

[lilac hedge]

Like a gold pass? idk but it will get it's refueling function in 3.16

[north oyster]

They've mentioned it several times in different shows. It seems that there is some love coming for this beast, however just as it's an early release, so will it's day in the sunshine be a long time coming (imo). Salvage, Refueling, refining and more

Soon (tm)

[sharp phoenix]

anyone have a link to crossfire's mining guide?

[north oyster]

After they a YT personality?

[mortal kettle]

I don't know who that is but Loud Guns has some good guides on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thYQmAW_zzI&list=PLIK7rixM0gzoB-71biNcaYANX8EXtbwym&index=4

https://youtu.be/fPK_96yCWb0

[hallow swallow]

These are great guides. He covers the topics very thoroughly.

[hallow swallow]

So I just had a death while delivering a package. ended up back on banjini, then the game crashed after getting out of the hospital bed.

will my ship still be at the moon i left it on? It had some laranite cargo too. Or should I do the wait 10 mins then try to claim it at the ASOP?

i'm in 3.15 PTU

[pallid temple]

No

You didn't suffer a 30k

[hallow swallow]

confirmed, it's all gone

that's annoying. I died as I was placing the box to finish a delivery mission.

[frigid musk]

Finding handminable ores ... just fly over the surface ?

[bright star]

It's easier to find them in caves. Just take any mission that would lead you to a cave like the Missing Person mission.

[frigid musk]

ah yes! that would be a good idea 🙂

where can you sell them ? i got a few i just wanna test this mechanic out formyself

[bright star]

3.15 or 3.14?

It's currently bugged to sell items from your backpack.

In 3.14

[frigid musk]

running ptu

[bright star]

Then you should be fine. You can sell them at any mining outposts or at Admin around landing zones.

[frigid musk]

ah k thanks

[crimson mantle]

For any future questions of that nature, feel free to try https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer 😄

[real yew]

The Hull A looks like a cricket

[frigid musk]

Some of these rocks are inside bigger rocks.. those are a deadend i take it

[mortal kettle]

yeah, bug

[north oyster]

The FPS/ROC deposits are warped and getting worst by every new patch. CIG appears to be just ignoring it for now, unfortunately.

[tardy flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-zoolander-ben-stiller-gif-4151126

We will strike back CIG !

[north oyster]

I want my ROC mining back

[mortal kettle]

me too

[lilac hedge]

Work started on the cargo refactor last month

i wanna see that design doc

[steel radish]

Is ROC mining not good in 3.15?

[tardy flower]

Yeah if you find rocs....that's thé hard part, you can only detect them at 1km...

[molten plank]

I can't wait until you can load refined ore into a friend's ship

[north oyster]

Or your own refinery ship

3.15 going live. 2230 UTC it will be down. Not sure for how long

[crimson mantle]

Aka the Starfarer!

[vestal plume]

is there any value in running an all-stealth a-grade build on a 400i?

[mint plinth]

hey im usually into combat and wondering if anyone can help me out with some trading / mining to make money

currently clanless and been a backer since 2014

[slim atlas]

have to toot my horn, called it

[heavy bloom]

Tried to do some trading now that 3.15 is live, unfortunately storing my ship at loreville ate the ship and cargo. Only have the option to claim the ship and can’t sell cargo at a terminal

[vague eagle]

Whats the best mining head for quantanium in an argo mole?

[inner hinge]

Lancet

[coarse cape]

How’s trade so far. Haven’t had a chance to test during ptu and haven’t been on my pc yet

[crimson mantle]

Exactly the same as 3.14.1: with the shop inventory fix and the 30k protection, it's not bad!
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qr8ube/315_traders_miners_patch_notes_summary_datamining/

[coarse cape]

Sweet

Looks like I need to find routes on your website lol

[crimson mantle]

There might be a bit of a gold rush right now, but there are a few safe routes

[coarse cape]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking anyways

Kinda nice cig gave us that extra 100k

[urban sky]

When it comes to profit in this wipe how good is it

[latent pasture]

you guys got an extra 100k?

I got 20k start, which is sti ll more than I think I got before but

I wouldn't mind a 100k jump

[urban sky]

If you took part in xeno threat

[coarse cape]

Look at patch notes lol

[hallow swallow]

I've seen in some 3.15PTU build/combat videos that stealth is nerfed somewhat and not a focus this time around.

"Items stored in long term persistence such as mined gems are currently not stackable (This is something that will be coming in a future update". Is this related to ROC mining extraction?

[north oyster]

Bounties might yield faster cash until you can do trade. What ship are you going to trade in?

[north oyster]

I was watching Jack Axton and he was busting it on trading, already broke 1 Million

[coarse cape]

jesus

[north oyster]

Well, Jack is one the best as it relates to trade

Here’s his trade refresher course- https://youtu.be/7NxTYWawbvM

[coarse cape]

oh yeah i saw that when it came out

[hollow sedge]

how much does cargo running really make?

[mint plinth]

i want a cat eventually , but atm i only have a nomad for cargo

[dense pond]

trading currently good in 3.15?

[hollow sedge]

^

[crimson mantle]

Yes, cargo is worth it right now

You have to be careful with your routes, but there is good money to be made

Avoid vices 😄

[dense pond]

better than 3.14?

like end of 3.14

[crimson mantle]

Exactly the same as the end of 3.14.1

[dense pond]

ah ok cool

you think wala to lyria would be fine?

idk what the typically safe routes would be really

[crimson mantle]

Usually it's outpost to city

What ship do you trade in?

[dense pond]

havnt traded to much, just started in the last few weeks of 3.14.1 and didnt do much cuz i knew a wipe was coming

currently trade using a rented freelancer

[teal trench]

is roc mining better now?

[crimson mantle]

You have a lot of options: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Freelancer%2522,%2522investment%2522:50000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:1000%257D
Feel free to add a location filter, like "Stanton > Hurston" only

[dense pond]

i was making about 28k-35k every 10 min doing Arccorp>wala to Arccorp>lyria during 3.14.1

which for my broke ass isnt that bad lol

[crimson mantle]

Here are some routes for only around arcCorp: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Freelancer%2522,%2522investment%2522:50000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%2522Vice%2522%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520ArcCorp%2522%255D,%2522locationNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

No that's good

[dense pond]

actually got that route of of the trade tools site

[crimson mantle]

Should be the same now

[dense pond]

was the top route for freelancer

[crimson mantle]

Well, there's always a bit of a gold rush effect after a patch, but the routes are the same

[dense pond]

in an ideal world making 38k a trip

but i couldnt get the base buy price so i would make a lil less

[crimson mantle]

Yeah 😒
The website only ever shows the best situation
Reality is almost never that good

[dense pond]

all the numbers on trade tools are based off of the base prices correct?

[crimson mantle]

Correct

[dense pond]

ah ok, you know the likelyhood of getting correct numbers?

[crimson mantle]

I have the formulea to calculate the prices, but we cannot access the inventory levels of the LIVE game, so I can't use them

[dense pond]

ah so basically the game wont allow you to do live prices

[crimson mantle]

You can always use a bigger "refresh rate" filter to trade in better supplied commodities

The margins are smaller, but then again, trading in those last few units of Laranite doesn't make much

Well, there's no public API to fetch the data and it's against the TOS to hook into the client

but base price for now

I'm working on something, but it's not a simple problem 😄

[dense pond]

ah, i hope they change that, it would be real cool to be able to see routes with current prices

[crimson mantle]

There is a journal alert for that

but only on some select commodities

(the worst ones :D)

[dense pond]

yeah i havnt found those useful yet tbh

damn im really like 400 auec from getting a freelancer

a rented one that is

llike bruh

[subtle gazelle]

anyone else having issues collecting in the ROC?

fracture mode works but collect mode doesnt

[elder hill]

Are the No Questions Asked trading consoles still open?

[compact lynx]

hey sorry if this has been asked, on erkul for 3.15 it says you can only buy the mining heads from tammy and son's on lorville and shubin on NB, i am on Lorville right now and the terminal doesn't display anything?

[elder hill]

Ugh I still cannot figure out trading in this game

I am always ending up at places with full shop inventories

I thought I wasn't even taking that common of a route for some of the trading I was trying to do

[hallow swallow]

yeah it was messed up in the PTU, guess it wasn't fixed yet

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-17534?contributionId=d6b2660e-58a6-44a1-afc9-3b54f8fd46f3

if you got a moment you can contribute to the ticket. hope it gets fixed!

[hallow swallow]

it's there on the terminal but hidden. mouse scroll over the tab to the right you will reveal a utilities tab.

[compact lynx]

@hallow swallow thanks man, i went to NB and got the gear, kinda of sucks the refineries don't sell this stuff anymore...

[hallow swallow]

do they not? could it be the same problem where the tab is hidden? i haven't really tried mining in the PTU. 3.14 was great for mining.

[woeful moss]

@hallow swallow @compact lynx I remember there being a message here where someone had the same problem at a refinery and that fixed it. So yeah, should still be possible iirc

[lethal portal]

how is ROC-mining so far in 3.15?

[frigid musk]

if you can find those rocks... ur ok. 😄

[lethal portal]

i've heard that in PTU you can't even suck them into ROC, since that mode was bugged

[frigid musk]

had no problems with that

[lethal portal]

thx

[hollow sedge]

how much does ROC mining usually take

make*

[crimson mantle]

A full load of pure Hadanite is something like 145k 220k

[tardy flower]

Only 145k?!

[crimson mantle]

Let me double check my numbers 😄

[tardy flower]

It was 245k 😉

[pliant matrix]

How are 30k so far after update? I'd be willing to do some trading now that we're back to start

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, it should be closer to 220k
https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522itemName%2522:%2522Hadanite%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:800%257D

[crimson mantle]

With the new 30k protection, even if the server crashes, it shouldn't be too bad as you can recover the cargo

[pliant matrix]

Sounds nice. Cargo remains in the ship then?

[crimson mantle]

You need to wait a few minutes, then go to a ship-spawning terminal. Do not claim. After a little bit you can simply respawn the ship and the cargo will be inside.

[pliant matrix]

I see. Seems tricky and pretty random tbh. But that's a start. Less risk is still better than full risk 🤣

[ivory vault]

Time to reinstall after 4 years and see whats been added

[orchid frigate]

same!

[ivory vault]

lol starting over brand new basically for me, im sure i wont remember how to even take off anymore

[orchid frigate]

me too

implying i knew how to take off before

[pliant matrix]

Well I started playing 3 years ago and stepped back a bit on last year because weapon stats and mining being messy but it did changed a lot on last years

[ivory vault]

Looks like i upgraded my aurora to a cutlass black 2 years ago but never actually reinstalled to try it out back then. hope its a decent ship

[pliant matrix]

Best multirole atm I think

[left fox]

Anyone else having issues with the ship not showing up with clicking "Select Location" from the terminal?

[marble crater]

the claim bug seems to have returned as well. stored my Taurus and it instantly went into claim mode at the terminal. several other people on the server had the same thing

only happened once for me though but thought it was worth a mention

[open viper]

i had this happen at a outpost even when i parked really close

i ended up going somewheres else

[left fox]

Ya, i've tested it on 2 outposts, same result

😐

[open viper]

buggy

[left fox]

It happens 🙂

[open viper]

yup

[whole socket]

Has anyone located the s1 Lancet mining head in 3.15? I’ve only found the s2 and the item finder I’ve been using was up to date for 3.15 PTU, but it looks like things changed when it went to PU.

[crimson mantle]

https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ShipMiningHeads1/ba94a262-bc0a-4484-9bbd-a4be7a2ec3e7

Could be a less obvious terminal, or you might need to scroll. They never make it easy 😛

Annoying, I've just read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qr8ube/comment/hk66lqn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

They should have it in stock, would make sense 😄

[lament smelt]

Anyone else use the visual scanning method for mining and finding they can't see a damn thing in the new patch?

[lament smelt]

Cru l1 you now have to scroll the top bar with mouse wheel to find mining heads and lasers

Looks like just clothes etc but they are there....

Took me an age to figure it out

Lol just read up...

UI design ftw...

[upbeat sable]

do i have to refine to sell the ore?

[hallow swallow]

oh no. is small trading consoles like on samson and son's on wala not detecting our ships??

[frail roost]

You can sell the raw ore at the terminals to the left of the refinery terminals, but it’s only worth half as much as refined.

[hybrid vigil]

Be Careful about trading, looks like your ship may go to Claim stated when you store it. Just Learned the Hard way when i tried to sell my Diamonds at Lorville 😦

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-17526

Well, back to delivering Boxes 😦

[real yew]

Can you log out in a Prospector bed and be back in at the same place later? Anyone know? Asking because the Prospector bed doesn't show a log out text option

[north oyster]

Bed Logging is like Playing Russian Roulette, works most of the time but sometime you're going to eat a bullet. If you do the bed log, make sure you are not in the atmosphere of the moon/planet. I normally QT to a OM marker and log out there.

Also, when you lie down, then you need to use the F key and look for Log Out

[real yew]

ok thanks! I'm in deep space right now .I'll give it a try

[real yew]

a but the Prospector shows no log out text for that. Only a "Get Up"

didn't work. Maybe because I exited to the main menu

[waxen needle]

Best non-surface mining location for quant?

I've heard HUR-L3 and the belt outside Crusader area. Anyone have some secret locations I should know about?

[vast summit]

is it weird that i find myself preferring the Impact over the Helix for mineral mining?

[north oyster]

I'll test it tonight and see if I'm getting the same thing. But the principle should work on any ship with a rack

[waxen needle]

It's the same for the Mole right now as well

[white minnow]

Where is the lancet mh1 now??

[vast summit]

HUR-L1 has it

[white minnow]

Erkul is wrong then :S

[atomic lark]

Any workaround for the prospector chair bug?

[vast summit]

Tammany and Sons also have it

[atomic lark]

Kinda annoying to jump prone my way out of the middle of the chair every time

[vast summit]

Female character

[atomic lark]

Interesting

[vast summit]

Otherwise use the sleep emote to clip through the bottom of the ship

[white minnow]

Really? It is said in Erkul but I wnet there and the terminal was not showing any mining lasers

[atomic lark]

Ive been able to jump/prone my way out, its just annoying

[vast summit]

Mouse over the categories, and use you mousewheel to find utilities

Ie undersuits, personal weapons etc

[vast summit]

Yeah, then its probably best to switch to the famale character model until they fix it.

Also what they really need to do is make the chair rotate

Hopefully they will do that on the next pass

[devout adder]

Anyone doing ROC mining?

[shy stag]

if i had a roc yes i would be

[devout adder]

lol

[shy stag]

just had to reset my acct XD

[devout adder]

ouch

[shy stag]

so only got my aurora and dragonfly

would love to be on a mining crew rn though

[devout adder]

I'm about to go buy a ROC but not sure if I'm going to go Aberdeen or Arial. As Aberdeen spawns used to be meh for hadinite

[shy stag]

do you have a second roc by chance?

[devout adder]

nope don;t even have one yet

[delicate girder]

So other than bounty hunting which is probably eternally the best money, what is CONSISTENTLY the next best money making in the game IN 3.15. Is it within cargo and mining?

• To me, cargo seems like an economy of scale so, with my small ships, it's not the choice early on.

[raw shell]

oh man they fixed roc mining. This is so much better than 3.14

[delicate girder]

Nice! In what ways did they fix it?

[raw shell]

the scanning isn't derpy anymore

doesn't take forever to regen the throttle graphic if you move the laser away and it didn't glitch at all

so how does it work now if I have a roc filled with hadonite in the back of a cutty and I get a 30k. I don't loose my rocks?

[delicate girder]

Can't remember what derpy means in that context.

[raw shell]

It used to take a long time to show the green/red zones on the hud... and it would glitch out and take forever to regen, causing you to overcharge it and blow it up in your face

[delicate girder]

Haven't tested it yet, but I hear that if you have any cargo in any vehicle and 30k, you just need wait 10 mins or so and resist the urge to claim the vehicle. At that point, the vehicle becomes retrievable anywhere.

Hope that applies to the ROC!

[raw shell]

oh man me too, that would be a game changer

Also the ROC would sometimes spontaneously loose power. Hope they fixed that

[delicate girder]

You have a ship big enough to carry two ROCs? I don't yet.

I don't even have one that can cary one yet.

I'm grinding in my Avenger Titan.

[raw shell]

rented a cutty

[delicate girder]

I may buy a Nomad or wait all the way to a Connie.

[raw shell]

the way a roc sits in the back of the nomad really bothers me, visually

looks like it's going to fall out

[delicate girder]

I don't like the Cuttie much any more. It doesn't maneuver a whole lot better than a Connie (decoupled) and I always would break the back of the Cuttie with the ROC.

Yeah, getting the ROC into the Nomad is an art, but you almost never harm the Nomad by doing it.

Another thing that kind of annoys my about the Cuttie is that as it flies, it always sound like a half asleep person blowing on a tuba!

[raw shell]

this is just to get started again for quick cash. The valk is my favorite roc hauler. Plenty of room

[delicate girder]

The the burrito is a nice ship! Fun to kill too!

[raw shell]

yep one of my favorites

[delicate girder]

For some reason I always end up getting the Connie Andro over the Valk though.

I know that's kind of a bad comparison in some ways but ...

[raw shell]

oh yeah night and day

connie is good for fighting and bounties and all kinds of stuff. Valk is pretty limited and sucks as a fighter... well I sucked fighting in it.

[rose hazel]

Any idea when the Hull E will release?

[slim atlas]

eventually

also oof and kinda a heads up, if you have an issue happen with full cargo while disconnecting the 30k saving wont help

lost 100k and starting from scratch

my ship hit the ground as I 30k'ed and lost it all

[sonic laurel]

Could you clarify where the danger zones are?

[compact lynx]

hey not sure if any mods want to pin this, but did a video on how to buy mining lasers and modules in the refinery terminals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgJgXo6wfwg

[slim atlas]

Happened to me at GH hoping it was a 1 off

[sonic laurel]

So there are certain places and things that stops the heartbeat from functioning?

[daring vale]

Is trade still broken, or can I actually empty a hold now?

I'd like to start moving medical supplies, but if it's going to take a week to sell three units out of a hold of over a thousand...

[hollow sedge]

I’d like to speak to someone about Illicit cargo 🙏🏼

[slim atlas]

Not sure yet keeping an eye out

[worthy scaffold]

where is a good place to start mining in a prospector? its been awhile since ive played

[whole socket]

Thank you! I had actually been using your tool, and was worried that things changed between the PFU and PU releases. Now I know it’s a scrolling issue (duh)

[regal pier]

It still depends. Some rates are still overwhelmingly hostile to the player which seems just insane to me.

[coral lion]

Is selling scrap bugged or something? I have been trying to sell my full cargo hold of it all night but my ship doesn't appear on the trade terminals at the scrap yards and at stations I don't even get an option to sell it lol

[crimson mantle]

Port Olisar is still the best place to unload scrap: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Scrap

But you may be facing a bug as well

You can try changing armor and see if your ship shows up after

[coral lion]

Yeah I tried oli but scrap didn’t come up as a commodity I could sell ):

[crimson mantle]

😦

[coral lion]

I’ll try the armour switching tomorrow tho, Ty for the help (:

[hallow swallow]

you mean, if i have a set of armor in the ship i can just chnage it and try selling again? I also ran into this bug at the trade terminal in samson's and sons on wala. my ship was practically on top of the place. it still would let choose my ship. ended up having to off load it to olisar

[ancient fractal]

hey can i no longer sell scrap at PO in 3 15?

[crimson mantle]

There might be an issue with scrap at the moment: https://status.robertsspaceindustries.com/

[undone socket]

where is the best place to roc mine?

[gusty plinth]

boy oh boy is there issues mining completely different from the last

HUD is now unreadable with its weird contrast it has. Hit box for the mining scanner is super narrow. Then after blowing up a rock on accident. it completely disables my ship can't move. Leaving the prospector pilot seat seems to guaranteed be bugged to get you stuck in the seat. Yikes...

[hallow swallow]

no issues with prospector if you character is female. And it sounds like they haven't fixed ROC mining from the PTU. But another user earlier here mentioned that everything is working well. I don't know what's up. Need to rent a ROC and try it for myself. Otherwise I'll need to stick to trading and bounties. But even then there are some issues on some trading consoles in smaller places that won't allow you to select your ship from the menu so you can sell stuff.

[carmine jacinth]

Hey folks, having a pretty hard time trying to sell some scrap.

Gone to all 5 locations on SC Trader to try and sell, all the locations show up like this ( except the planet scrap yards where the C2 wouldn’t show up at all on the trade consoles to sell from)

Won’t let me select the scrap to sell, this one over at Port Olisar, am I missing something?

[frozen harness]

Is mine hadanite worth anything?

[tardy flower]

If you find some, yes

[woeful moss]

https://status.robertsspaceindustries.com/ someone mentioned earlier that there was a bug with po

[hallow swallow]

I had issues selling scrap on surface scrap yards, but port olisar was working fine for me.

[hollow sedge]

anybody else lose their cargo once storing their ship at lorville?

had that issue twice and lost about 150k worth of cargo because of it

[woeful moss]

can't you make it to tdd without storing it?

as a workaround?

[delicate girder]

Anyone determined if after a 30k whether or not packages are protected like cargo? My experience has been no. You'd think it would be everything in the ship.

[hollow sedge]

don't you have to store your ship first before it can show up in the trading console?

pretty sure packages are not protected after a 30k

[strange raven]

Anyone else having contract withdrawn after completing box delivery evaluation an re-evaluation

[glad trench]

i forget, does carrack scanner detect hand mining nodes for roc?

[woeful moss]

I was always able to sell even if it wasnt stored

[pale crane]

No you don't. And some times it isn't recommended.
At PO I couldn't sell cargo when ship was stored but could sell after retrieving it. (I think that's because when stored the ship is considered being at Orison)

[marble crater]

so is ROC mining working well in 3.15? Bounty Hunting is really buggy for me not sure if ROC is any better

tried some trade but claim bug ate 50K credits so going to stay away from that for a bit

[glad trench]

taking carrack to building deliver missions, not advised

the ship is infact bigger then the landing pad

[hallow swallow]

Insteresting point to keep in mind. in 3.14 i'm guessing you could store and sell?

[pale crane]

I have no idea I only tried in 3.15 PTU and haven't played 3.14 at all.

[hallow swallow]

oh ok. Anyway good tip.

[ancient fractal]

Thanks

I parked my C2 in grimhex because i needed to buy a new space suite and helmet so that i could sell at po

When they put the ship into storage i only had the option to claim it and not retrive it.

I lost a full C2 because of that so i recomend when you are selling dont take any detours 😂

[cold ridge]

Guys, i was under the impression that cargo hauling was going to be somewhat more fun and profitable after this patch

but every time i go somewhere to buy something, there's usually less than 4SCU of things available

[marble crater]

is trade stock still shared between all the different servers? I assume there's alot of people trying to make creds through trade right now

[hallow swallow]

I just did a very quick ROC mining test on Daymar. Not much has changed from the PTU. I couldn't sell my ore at the nearby surface mining facility. My ROC didn't show up on the list. Flew back to Olisar where I was able to sell.

[cold ridge]

Did they not say they were going to mediate this though with faster restock times? i've gone to the start of 7 different routes and each time i get there i can't even buy more than 3SCU. I'm flying a connie and it's literally not possible to make any money

[paper perch]

i know nothing about cargo and trading, how profitabale is it? what ship do you need? how quick is it? (really appreciate feedback)

[raw shell]

There's a bug report for the ROC extraction bug, if anyone would like to contribute:

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-22653

[obsidian stone]

Trading and cargo hauling gameplay can be very profitable. You can use any ship with interior standing space to start with delivery missions. For trading, a ship will need a dedicated cargo hold.

Does any have any details on the new cargo reputation system? Are there any bonuses/rewards locked behind the tier levels?

[crimson mantle]

Nothing tied to reputation for commodity trading

[obsidian stone]

Just delivery missions?

[crimson mantle]

I don't know about box missions

I didn't see anything related to reputation, but I could be wrong

[obsidian stone]

Covalex shipping and the other logistics companies are offering reputation now.

[crimson mantle]

I don't know what effects these have 🙂

[open viper]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-17526 known

[pale crane]

They did a hotfix for the stocks a few weeks back iirc. I tried it and it worked at the time, could load a C2 with cargo.
But maybe the new patch bugged it again and they need to do another hotfix?

[obsidian stone]

As with all trading, it depends on what you are buying and selling. Some commodities are going to be constrained by supply as they are more popular do to the profit margins. Other commodities will be more available as the margins are not as lucrative.

[cold ridge]

I honestly don't know. i've spent two hours today trying to haul something and ANYTHING of value has been less than 4 SCU available

I don't see why the supply has to be synchronised across all clusters. literally not a damn thing else is synced between them, why does that have to be 😂

Why can't we just compete with the other traders playing on that cluster

[wise zephyr]

how fucked am I if i bought 100k worth of Altruciatoxin and can only sell 9 k at drim hex

*grim

[shy stag]

They are synced for one reason. People use to hit a server with a trade org. Wiped it clean then hoped to the next.

[obsidian stone]

I would say pretty fuct. Vice is hard to sell anywhere.

[wise zephyr]

nice so how do i not be fucked in the future

can i like server hop or something?

[obsidian stone]

Stay away from Vice until CIG decides how to tune the demand for them.

[wise zephyr]

wdym by vice?

[cold ridge]

Illegal cargo

Drugs, mostly

[crimson mantle]

You might be looking at at least 30 mins

[wise zephyr]

is oh i didn't know that was illegal

[obsidian stone]

Vice commodities are those commodities which are likely to net you jail time if caught.

[wise zephyr]

ah fuck

[wise zephyr]

wait so if i try again in 30 mins i there should be demand?

[crimson mantle]

You'll have to try every ~5 mins for something like 30 mins, yeah

[wise zephyr]

i've got 2479 scu of cargo to move

[crimson mantle]

If no one else is trying to sell

You can also cut your losses at CRU-L4 illegal terminal

you will lose money though

but it's better than 0 😄

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522itemName%2522:%2522Altruciatoxin%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:2479,%2522allowWaitTimes%2522:true,%2522showDetails%2522:true%257D

[wise zephyr]

yeah i was thinking that

i was on that

it said do this trade

[round sleet]

I was trying to mine in 3.15 but couldn't find the minerals in my ROC in the trade pannel, what's with that now ? Did anything change ?

[crimson mantle]

I'll try to put some warning about vices in the future 😛

[wise zephyr]

so what does "Max 4,000 units + 100/min" mean then

[crimson mantle]

It means the shop can buy/sell up to 4k units at once (it's warehouse size if you will) and that its inventory comes back at the specified rate

but that inventory comes back split among all the different servers

[wise zephyr]

what so i need to server hop to sell then?

[crimson mantle]

No, it means that server hoping specifically won't help 🙂

[wise zephyr]

ok so if i understand this right, in 100mins in theory i should be able to sell 4k scu

[crimson mantle]

if no one else is trying to sell, yes

but other people are, most likely

[wise zephyr]

ok good so i guess ill just go farm illegal surveillance until then

ok in guess ill have to keep checking in

[crimson mantle]

sure, coming back once in a while is better than sitting there 😄

[wise zephyr]

woo only 2k scu left to shift xD

[wise zephyr]

Is it your website?

[crimson mantle]

It is indeed

[wise zephyr]

do you have a github for it by chance? Just cause im a computer networking degree student and need write a web page for and assignment and it's been a while since I've done that. Would really help to look at someone competent's code xD

[crimson mantle]

I have a repo to track issues and suggestions, but unfortunately it's not open-source, no 🙂

[wise zephyr]

oh well worth a shot xD

[crimson mantle]

most of the code is data-mining anyway, the endpoints are quite simple

[wise zephyr]

yeah, but just also assuming you did it all yourself, it's really well lay out

1.8k left xD

[raw shell]

suddenly all the gems I find are inside rocks, like the last 4

[hollow sedge]

Is ROC mining still broken?

Sorta

for me some gems are in bigger rocks that you cant get and then when you go to pick up gems they circle around the extractor thing and slowly go in

and they dont even stack

[shy stag]

What's the current best spot to roc mine?

[raw shell]

for the most part, it seems much better than it was in 3.14. The laser interfaces work much better to bring up the GUI interface. There's a bug with the collector laser where it sometimes stops collecting

depends on what you're after. There are charts that say what you can find on what moons

the hot hurston moons seem popular for hadanite

[shy stag]

Welp time to go broke buying Pembroke armor

[crimson mantle]

Still Aberdeen by quite a margin: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Ground%2520vehicle%2522%257D

[wise zephyr]

Am i right in thinking the orphanage is gonna always be low in demand

[crimson mantle]

Probably, yeah.
Revenant tree pollen and distilled spirits are the only things they buy in bulk

[wise zephyr]

so what should i sell, i have 150k an andromeda and 0 clue

the site says larinite to orphanage

but that's like guaranteed no sell

[marble crater]

well gave ROC mining a go and some weird bugs to deal with the collecting side of things (kinda swirls for ages at the nozzle). Found if I just targeted small clumps at a time and pulled the collector laser away to some empty dirt it had no problems grabbing everything
Couldn't sell at any outpost terminals but no problems selling at Spaceport Admin Offices. Made a little over 200K from a trip but that 1km scanner sure made it slow

[sonic laurel]

Astatine from wala to arccorp

I believe

[wise zephyr]

dw I have a plan already but thanks

unfortunately sc just informed me that fazing through the planet is part of that plan

[hollow sedge]

any recommendations on cargo hauler thats around 2-3 million ish? to get started with quant mining that is

before i buy a C2 or Caterpillar

[carmine jacinth]

Can anyone confirm they have successfully sold Scrap in 3.15, anywhere?

[round sleet]

Anybody else having issues with ROC not appearing in trading consoles ?

[carmine jacinth]

Curious if this indeed is the issue I ran into yesterday in PO

[carmine jacinth]

My C2 wouldn’t show up on surface stations, no idea about ROC

[verbal cargo]

try transferring your load to the station inventory and then try to sell

[round sleet]

One piece of ore by one ?

lol

[verbal cargo]

yep...

[round sleet]

Nah

[verbal cargo]

they are working on stacking them in the next patch

[marble crater]

Can sell it at a spaceport admin office

I couldn't sell at outposts

[verbal cargo]

there's a claim ship bug at spaceports, so that's risky

[round sleet]

Yeah it did appear in the admin console, weird

So quick question, when buying a ROC instead of renting it, is it worth it upgrading it ?

[marble crater]

You can upgrade a ROC?

[round sleet]

You can't ?

[marble crater]

Didn't think you could

[round sleet]

oh well

[hollow sedge]

are you able to mine bexalite in a rented prospector?

[marble crater]

No idea. Going to rent 2 prospectors tomorrow with a friend and see if they'll crack anything

[obsidian stone]

I don't have an informed answer for that but an educated guess would say "not" because the rented Prospector is such low-tier and bexalite is a higher tier ore.

[hollow sedge]

i gotcha

[hollow sedge]

that was my plan

i was hoping getting maybe something out of it

[raw shell]

well apparently the ROC still randomly runs out of power and dies at times.

[hollow sedge]

sounds like the roc is just straight up broken lmao

[rain gale]

So is the reputation for delivery missions location specific

Or just one all encompassing system

[hollow sedge]

best place to sell Hadanite?

(i know i keep asking questions but im curious)

[thin escarp]

on facility

mining facility

same place u pull ur roc from normally

on a moon

like shubin mining facilities and HDMS's

etc

[real yew]

does cargo hauling work in 3.15?

[crimson mantle]

Yes it does 🙂

[daring vale]

Can I legitimately empty a hold, or does it still take a week to sell just three units if medical supplies to any station?

I want to make this Hercules work.

[crimson mantle]

You have to pick your commodities: medical supplies are not bought in bulk

For the hercules, try Fluorine, Titanium, Gold, Diamond

[daring vale]

Diamond is the reverse, isn't it? It sells in bulk, but good luck getting it in bulk.

[sonic laurel]

Did they changed astatine? It had a great investment/risk/return ratio at the C2/caterpillar level

[crimson mantle]

Not in the last few patches, no

[sonic laurel]

I think it's wala to arccorp

[robust aspen]

what are good commodities to trade with a connie taurus?

[round sleet]

Does anyone else have the issue of having minerals "float" around the arm of the ROC when you try to pick them up and often ending being yeeted away ?

Seems like a bug, even tho the ROC is not full the minerals are not scooped

God damned I just wish that for ONE patch mining would not have an issue

[hollow sedge]

i think i know what you mean

idk why it always overshoots lmao

and its only once or twice per rock so

[round sleet]

I actually have the issue with all of them now

[hollow sedge]

that sucks

[round sleet]

My ROC just doesn't scoop anymore

[hollow sedge]

maybe its a 3.15 thing then

is it in multiple servers that it does this?

[round sleet]

idk, I don't really want to switch and lose the ROC's content

[hollow sedge]

i gotcha

thats wierd though

[upbeat pagoda]

Cargo noob here

what should I be trading in my C2

I've done a few hydrogen runs

on yella

[crimson mantle]

Give a shot to fluorine as the next step up: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C2%2520Hercules%2522,%2522investment%2522:250000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Fluorine%2522,%2522Hydrogen%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[upbeat pagoda]

THanks

[sonic laurel]

drugs seem to have gotten a lot more viable to trade as well

[round sleet]

And of course my fucking ROC doesn't appear in the admin consol, so I'm gonna lose the load

I'm so fucking fed up with mining

What's the difference between pure profit and profit over time ?

[heavy bloom]

Where can I sell Scrap? Couldn’t get the ship to show up on the sell tab in any salvage yard on planets, and Port Ollie wouldn’t take it either

[crimson mantle]

One is optimized by profit per hour, the other doesn't take time into account at all

[crimson mantle]

Scrap might be bugged at the moment 😢

[heavy bloom]

Oh dang, well atleast it wasn’t an intentional thing! Guess I’ll do some missions to get money back haha

Thanks!

[sonic laurel]

biggest single run profit vs auec per minute of looping a run

[upbeat pagoda]

I went to benson mining outpost and theres no trading terminal here?

or am I blind

[crimson mantle]

Usually it's in the same room as the guy, but not always

[upbeat pagoda]

There is no guy?

There's the room you walk into through the airlock with the package delivery thing

then a bigger room with a non interactable terminal

and then 2 side rooms

[obsidian stone]

am currently at benson Mining Post and the terminal is where it usually is for me.

[upbeat pagoda]

I'm an idiot

It was behind me

lmao

[crimson mantle]

If you look in from the main door, it's at the back left of the room

Ah ok, glad you found it!

[upbeat pagoda]

I only got 45k as aposed to the 50k it said I'd get, is that just cause someone else is trading it?

[crimson mantle]

Correct

The website only shows the best possible cases. More details at https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq

There's no way to get the live inventory data for 3rd party tools at the moment 😦

[frail roost]

With LZs and their Stations being linked, has anyone tried landing a cargo ship at, say, Bajini, and taking a shuttle down to sell at TDD?

[obsidian stone]

That tactic works at Tressler/NB for me.

[frail roost]

Sweet. Might pick up a Herald to use as a fast shuttle...

[upbeat pagoda]

anyone tell me why I can't sell?

[obsidian stone]

Depends on. the specific commodity.

[upbeat pagoda]

Usually there's a button to click before you drag isnt there?

it's not there

[obsidian stone]

That location might not be accepting hydrogen

[upbeat pagoda]

;_;

It was yesterday

damn 3.15

[north oyster]

Thanks for the update and tips on mining. I'd brought my ROC over to HUR-L2 from MicroTech in the MAX and I was hoping to test today on Aberdeen

[north oyster]

The Freelancer MAX has 120 SCU, I use her a lot

[carmine jacinth]

I just spent 5 hours trying to sell scrap as well - on scrap yards the ship won’t show up at all, and at PO and the like, scrap doesn’t show up in the acceptable items

[robust aspen]

devlin scrap & salvage wont buy astatine even though SCTools said it does

[north oyster]

There are factors ... and the demand is based off of the whole not just the server you're on. SCTools pulls directly from the game files, so it is something CIG side if it is beyond players selling there before you.

I normally sell Astatine at the TDD on Area18

[robust aspen]

gotcha

[frail roost]

Anyone found anywhere that can both SEE MY SHIP and BUY SCRAP in 3.15?

[north oyster]

I've not tried a scrap run in 3.15 yet. I use to buy at A18 and run to PO. Not sure if that is still a valid run. There was some odd issue going on between Grim and PO during the PTU

[frail roost]

PO sees my ship, and sees the Scrap inside, but no longer buys Scrap as of yesterday's hot"fix".

[north oyster]

Thanks, good to know for now

[brittle plinth]

Has anyone else had issues with the ROC extraction mode just spinning minerals around the mining head? My friend and have not been able to use the ROC for mining because of this. https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-22649

[unique solar]

when will cargo be fixed?

i heard its bugged

[crimson mantle]

Only scrap from what I gathered

[minor moon]

PO does not buy scrap atm

Which is nice

As I have a Cat docked at PO with a hold full

[rich bane]

Haven't played over half a year, is ROC mining still a thing?

[brittle plinth]

ROC's and Rocks still exist so yeah. I like ROC mining as a way to transition into the prospector.

[north oyster]

ROC got hosed in 3.14 and CIG saw fit to carry that into 3.15

[brittle plinth]

I was mining with very few bugs in 3.14. They messed with the inventory code on it for 3.15 and it seems to have broken the ROC

[rich bane]

So Prospector is more profitable again?

[north oyster]

Lots and lots of mining bugs for ROC and Prospector mining

Quantainium mining is very profitable

[compact lynx]

anyone know where you can surges from these days?

I have a suspicion you have to to go NB to get them now 😐

[unique solar]

so i can still use sc trade tools?

[north oyster]

Surges?

[frigid musk]

guys.. what's wrong with my rock ... it wont move anymore 😄

there's no power for anything

[marble crater]

time to get the jumper cables out 😛

[frigid musk]

sounds like .. i've no idea what's going on

suddenly it starts again ... the heck 😄

[copper elk]

guys

why when i click tab and then right lick my cutlass starts to shoot

how do i ping the diamonds

[frigid musk]

just tab

but the range is pretty bad to detect them.. have to be within 1km

[copper elk]

mh just tab?

[marble crater]

default is tap tab yeah