industrial-professions

[sonic laurel]

The max isn't one of the three

[north oyster]

as small and compact the Nomad is, that is a definite. I'm just not a fan of backing in the ROC, plus the original drama with the ROC and Nomad burned me out. I still have my Nomad buyback and actually had two that I used for LTI tokens.

[sonic laurel]

I'm probably going to snag a ranger with LTI for the token

[north oyster]

The MAX just feels good to fly for me. If you're use to a Nomad, I'm sure it wouldn't be a pleasing experience

[sonic laurel]

No I can't stand the dildo series

And they made the cutty fly just as bad

[north oyster]

Agreed, any low cost ground vehicle automatically gets collected for LTI

About 6 or so months ago they finally tuned the MAX's performance (all the FL series, for that matter). Overall, the hauling for refined ore, ROC escort and even low end bounties and surveillance missions, she shines

[sonic laurel]

I hope they tune the cutties performance

[north oyster]

agreed, they're giving her the Drake stomp down for now

[hallow swallow]

are you guys talking about cutty performance in atmo?

[north oyster]

Overall

She still performs ok for me but I'm not one to push a ship to the edge

That's coming from a guy who is happy with the MAX's performance, LOL

[hallow swallow]

right right. I mean it could be better but i'm ok with it in atmo, like the quirk of having to pull the nose up slightly to stay level. keeps the flying hmmm "engaging" shall we say.

I used the cutty red for roc mining couple days ago. tried the freelancer max before that. right now, in fact after i do a trade run i'm going to do one round of roc mining in the taurus.

the cutty is the most unstable to fly but as i mentioned i do still like it, i can get low and still keep an eye on the pings.

[north oyster]

I will want to try out the Taurus more. I'm just a little avoidant of Lifts over ramps

[hallow swallow]

i like the max, i just don't like the cockpit view.

[north oyster]

The MAX makes me happy but I concur with the view. I've gotten use to it for the most part

[hallow swallow]

i like the taurus most at the moment. sure i have to find a flat spot to land, but the lifts with roc are working really well right now.

i tried putting a nox in ther yesterday and all hell broke loose.

it's cool. after landing. i can hit the button to drop the cargo lift, while at the same time jump into the roc as it's decending.

[north oyster]

My main "Wipe Recovery" plan includes the MAX & ROC combo as one of the pillars to greatness

[hallow swallow]

yes yes. my plan too.

plan b is taurus, do some quick cargo runs, rent roc. a full load will already allow me to buy a roc in game.

or even box missions would do.

[north oyster]

I do have my original ROC I bought with LTI. It's basically a token but while I have it, might as well use it

[hallow swallow]

Laranite run. Taurus + ROC + 144scu cargo. Wala -> Area18 ( graphics got super buggy on approach so escaped atmo) -> New Babbage. Profit 68+k. That's pretty ok right?

[wraith jungle]

how much cargo space does the ROC take up in the connies?

[hallow swallow]

a little over 30, depends how you park maybe. the taurus' bay is 176 empty if i'm not mistaken.

[wraith jungle]

thanks
it's 174, but I've "only" got the Andro, so gotta be a bit more conservative regarding cargo space. is it still worth it at that capacity?

[elder hill]

Is it possible to fit an X1 in the back of a Cutlass Red?

[alpine rune]

Is the cat worth it?

[north oyster]

The CAT has a rich future ahead of it besides just Cargo, so that's a loaded question. Yes, it's a great ship but for trade and close to cost (CAT 4.6m aUEC) you can pick up a Hercules C2 Starlifter (4.9 aUEC) that preforms WAY better than a CAT for that role

[alpine rune]

I was ccu from a 400i

I committed to it

[north oyster]

I plan to ccu my 400i to the Hull C

Or melt if price is below

[sonic laurel]

I'm actually planning to earn up to a C2 and use it to run astatine and eventually laranite

[north oyster]

After the reset coming in 3.15, it may take a little while to earn up enough for a full laranite run (if we can find that, I'm thinking that will be a rare event). But I'm happy with the heartbeat fix to preserve our cargo investment from 30k's

[sonic laurel]

astatine will likely be my bread and butter

when I am hauling

[north oyster]

agreed, diamonds and titanium good also

[sonic laurel]

25% return on ast plus the ability to deliver it to port O is just lovely

[north oyster]

lots of upside to that for sure

I'm still trying to get use to the new position of PO, it throws me off with it upside down (relatively speaking) to Cru

I know they did it for the view

[sonic laurel]

naturally

[alpine rune]

is trading in a good spot for 3.15?

Ive heard they drastically increased the amount of resources

[north oyster]

The hotpatch was applied to 3.14 and 3.15

What I understand is they fixed the issue where the game thought everything got sold when a server crashed. So the game never had any inventory

[sonic laurel]

Pretty solid place

[teal trench]

wait 3.15 is out?

[pale crane]

On the PTU

[frail roost]

Unfortunate that it's not sold anywhere in Crusader space...

[marble crater]

I recently upgraded my Cutty to a Taurus and & been enjoying ROC mining & trade runs with it. Even fits 2 Rocs quite nicely when I tried with a friend

now if they would just change the damn scanner lol

[hallow swallow]

When cargo hauling was at an ok place, other than commodity alerts, how do you guys decide what you want to move at that particular time? What's your plan of attack?

[marble crater]

I just use SC Trade Tools

[frail roost]

http://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes and set the Stock refresh to 1/10x your ship's maximum cSCU

So take your SCU and add a 0 to the end.

[hallow swallow]

is that under "Show stock details"?

[frail roost]

Yes.

Just setting it to 1000 should be close enough, honestly.

And you can filter out location types (such as Cities, if you want to dodge train loops) below that.

[hallow swallow]

nice i'll give this a shot. thanks!

I've used the site only as reference. Didn't know about the trade routes

[frail roost]

If you want to get really fancy with it, you can even do "circular" routes with more stops so you're never/rarely flying empty.

[hallow swallow]

last night I did that coincidentally. after a ROC mining run, went to a mining outpost to sell it. It happend to be a good spot to pick up an almost full cargo load of laranite. Went off to sell that before logging out.

[frail roost]

For example, one of the circular routes listed on my screen right now is
HDMS-Ryder$Astatine>Port Olisar$AgriculturalSupplies>Bountiful Harvest Hydroponics$Processed Food>HDMS-Ryder

What are you flying?

[hallow swallow]

A Taurus.

all i'm getting is Laranite suggestions.

[frail roost]

Nice. What, 160scu?

[hallow swallow]

i put my ship, and 400000 for initial investment, then 1000 in min refresh rate. Others left as default.

174scu.

something like that.

138scu if I have a ROC in the cargo hold.

[frail roost]

Well. Good luck finding a full load of Laranite, unless it's been massively buffed since I last checked.

I tend to haul Astatine, I think?

Until I lost a million credits in a day to dumb bugs. One I couldn't take off, the other blew up my ship.

[hallow swallow]

in the last couple of days I was able to do 2 full loads, but i don't trade primarily, wanted to try out trading. yesterday's strip got me half load from one output, then flew over to the other outpost on the moon to fill up the rest. then went off to a TDD.

[frail roost]

Nice.

[hallow swallow]

dude. i've never been more nervous flying in this game then when i'm doing trading

when my game stutters, my heart skips a beat lol

i'm exaggerating.

a little

ok i see, if I put in smaller investments, now i get more diverse commodity suggestions.

[frail roost]

This is the snip from my trading log for that day.

[hallow swallow]

omg those loses

scary

this sheet is a great idea

[frail roost]

Yeah, it very much prioritizes raw profits in its calculations. It seems to show whatever the most expensive cargo you can fill your ship with first.

[hallow swallow]

might set up a similar sheet when 3.15 drops.

get into more trading

[frail roost]

Here's mine if you want to tinker with it. I blanked the data, but the column labels should explain everything.

[hallow swallow]

Thank you!

[frail roost]

You're very welcome. Good profits to you!

[bright flame]

Handy sheet! Thank you for sharing

[frail roost]

Hey, I figure I put forty-eight god damn hours of working time, spread over a week, into building and debugging it, might as well share it around.

[lean moth]

is clio good for mining?

[hallow swallow]

What ship was this btw?

[pale crane]

Thanks for sharing your hard work with us lazy people man 😁

[cedar flower]

it was buffed

on a bad day you can still fill about 100SCU of the stuff in a taurus and have it fully restock over the time it takes to deliver
good day is full loads galore

average profit ruiing laranite in the taurus is about 70-90k

going from arcorp Mining 45 on Wala to area 18

[hallow swallow]

i concur

just had 79k profit on the same route.

same ship too haha

i did have to wait about 10 mins because there was a guy who finished loading his c2 just as I arrived at the location.

[turbid plinth]

how's moneymaking in the current sandbox?

still same old?

laranite @ a18 and lorville, quantanium?

[north oyster]

What type of mining? Ship or ROC? For ROC, Aberdeen and Arial are best for laranite. For ship mining, I'd suggest Aaron's Halo but any planet is worth exploring

[lean moth]

ship for quant

[north oyster]

Quant is most often (at least for me) easily found and harvested in the asteroid belt. If Quantainium, then you will want to use CRU-L1 as your base because refinery offers a 3% bonus for refinery (only place in Stanton that does)

One quick tip to get to the belt is to start at CRU-L1 and aim for ARC-L3. Travel for 11.5M km and kill your QT jump there. @lean moth

[humble magnet]

Prospector mining - if you enjoy chilling on a beautiful planet and take your time finding your rock, I found Lyria has some 40% quantanium rocks if you put the time in

[hallow swallow]

On avg how long once your reach the surface would it take you to find a quant rock on lyria?

[north oyster]

Some seem to indicate that you have to be in the right area to find it in abundance

[humble magnet]

it varies - as it should...it took me 15 - 20 min

[hallow swallow]

It's the same with hadanite gems on aberdeen. it's the best moon for it, but even then there are hotspots.

[humble magnet]

I dont want abundance . 1 rock was more than enough for the prospector's capacity- had to leave a 100% behind

[north oyster]

Not sure a fair comparison for ROC mining because PING is totally screwed up with that.

[crude crane]

What is the best trade route for the C2 now?

[north oyster]

But yes, it is random and scattered

[hallow swallow]

does anyone know if the placement is randomized and changes, or is it fixed in the game systems thingy, i don't really know how to describe it.

[north oyster]

Depends on how much you have to put in for a trade, check SC Trade Tools for ideas. Scrap is easy from large city to PO.

@hallow swallow great question but that is probably one those mystery things. The % is set but the locations are not

[hallow swallow]

fairest thing I would imagine is to have it change from time to time based on the %.

otherwise you'll have cities born out of those fixed hotspots.

[north oyster]

@crude crane Titanium, Diamonds and of course Laranite are good ones to look at. Also Astertine is good.

[humble magnet]

@hallow swallowi think you answered your own questions and yes i believe locations are randomised too

[hallow swallow]

haha yeah.

i need validation.

[humble magnet]

just in case you dont have it already: https://sc-trade.tools/home

mining is there too

[lean moth]

i never find quant tho 😦

[stuck sequoia]

How profitable is mining?

[north oyster]

I have made hundreds of millions of aUEC. Other than that, not very profitable

[spiral birch]

Is mining without refining still profitable?

Because I don't have a ship to store the refined ore

[marble crater]

Can just rent a Connie for around 70k credits

[spiral birch]

okayy thanks

for one day ?

[marble crater]

Yeah per day. just queue up a few refining jobs then rent a transport ship when it's time to sell

[spiral birch]

thanks

[marble crater]

Fun way to try out a couple of transport ships too

[spiral birch]

It makes me want to try it even more

[marble crater]

You can sell the first couple of mining runs as ore to get some credits up quick too. Refining will just double what you can make

[wraith jungle]

what do you need to be able to refine ore?

[crimson mantle]

Some pocket change and a ship able to carry the entire refinery job (32 SCU if you mined in a prospector)

[wraith jungle]

what do you mean by refinery job? is it an item you have to store in the cargo hold?

I've got a connie andro, I'd have to rent a ROC, and that'll take up space too :-/

[crimson mantle]

You go to the refinery with your prospector and start a refinery job. It takes some time and some credits. When it's done, you take the refined ores in a cargo ship and go sell them in a city 🙂

[wraith jungle]

ahh, okay then with a ROC I'd stock the unrefined ore in my transport, take it to the refinery and go get more raw ore. when the refinery is done I'd deliver the refined ore?

[crimson mantle]

The ROC doesn't need refining: you sell the gems straight up 🙂

Feel free to check https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer with a location filter to see where

(usually on the planet you mine)

[wraith jungle]

oh okay, so it does mine different stuff actually?

[crimson mantle]

Yes, the ROC mines gems, whilst the prospector and mole mine ores and metals.

The different minables are on https://sc-trade.tools/ores

[wraith jungle]

ah, okay makes sense. kinda sad, I wanted to try out ore minig too, missing the ship for that tho

[crimson mantle]

You can rent a prospector and try it out, although the default loadout is not very good.

https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ShipRentals1/f68ee841-88d1-46f3-a1e2-5dc71d9d5d97

[wraith jungle]

mhm, I'd rather buy one ingame once I can afford it. but thanks for the thorough explanation!

[crimson mantle]

My pleasure

[jolly adder]

So thinking of upgrading from the Mustang. Been looking into the 315p. I know its personal preference, but would I be future proofing myself by buying the 315p over the 300i for salvaging?

[pallid temple]

Neither is a salvaging ship

[jolly adder]

315p shows it having a mount in the front for salvaging

[pallid temple]

That's a tractor beam, it's not quite the same thing

[jolly adder]

I see. So what will be the purpose for that in the future? hmm now im second guessing if I should just get the 300i.

[lilac hedge]

the tractor beam?

picking stuff up.

Cargo, moving debris, ore etc.

[jolly adder]

I see, so not pointless.

[lilac hedge]

Not entirely

[north oyster]

TRADE UPDATE CIG is testing the Server Crash Ship Recovery in the 3.15 PTU. Now we will be protected against 30K's for our cargo and mining.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/ptu-feedback-server-crash-ship-recovery

[sonic laurel]

yay! Now I just have to go from a nomad to 4.9mil for a C2!

[north oyster]

I'll be testing it in the PTU with a C2 for sure. Since the PTU is so prone to 30Ks, it won't take long to see how it works.

[mortal kettle]

if scanning for gems does not improve, how bad is rented prospector? quant out of question probably with no lancet or consumables. worth it for other ores?

also bad qt drive

[sonic laurel]

I was driving a prospector and found tons of quant

quant forms in certain places

[mortal kettle]

no, i know, but hard to mine with arbor mining laser and no consumables

[sonic laurel]

my advice is to hop into a MOLE with someone

[frail roost]

Herc C2

[lean moth]

can someone explain the wait times im still new to trading i dont get it im smooth brain

[frail roost]

Means you may have to wait and sell part of a load at a time.

As the commodity is used up.

[lean moth]

so if i sold 6600? i would have to wait for ages?

or wait 7 minutes to sell 6600 again?

[frail roost]

Wait 7 minutes to sell 700.

It refreshes 100/min

I think it calculates the time as (Your cargo size)-(Max demand)/(refresh rate/minute)

[lean moth]

so this isnt worth it at all then

[frail roost]

Yeah, no. Drugs are butt-fungus for trading. Pure profit is nice, but it takes so long to sell that you could make far more with other commodities.

At least when you're trading in anything bigger than like a Pisces or 100-series.

[lean moth]

do you have a route in mind?

[frail roost]

Literally set the filter to "avoid selection">Vice

Anything will be more profitable than drugs.

[lean moth]

ah ok cheers bro

[copper peak]

"100 units per min" wait 52 mins to sell them all

[marble crater]

can 2 rented prospectors crack a typical 4.6T+ Quant rock with stock lasers/loadouts?

[echo folio]

how do i even get cargo into my ship? is it just the trading posts ive seen?

[wintry ruin]

Terminals in outposts [not emergency shelters] cities and space stations are how you load and unload cargo. Mainly by buying and selling it. Also refinery terminals will put your refined ore, which at that point is identical to the ore you buy at mining outposts, into your ships hold to.

[crimson mantle]

@frail roost @lean moth
You are correct: the trades with wait times (drugs) are not worth it: you'll sit there for a long time trying to sell.

[north oyster]

Great question, seeing you'll have twice the power and twice the green zone, it might be worth testing. I'm thinking you can and if not, then you can crack most all, including Quantainium, for sure

[marble crater]

Yeah might have to give it a go & see if it works. Not too hard to find Quant clusters in the Halo

would make rented Prospectors a decent option if 2 can crack a rock

[teal trench]

is a cutty an alright ship to start off trading in?

havent played in a few months

[obsidian stone]

A ship with a larger cargo hold would be better of course but a Cutty Black is not the worst ship to trade in granted it will take you more trips to progress your profits.

[teal trench]

savin for a c2 rn

[obsidian stone]

Grinding with a Cutty Black?

[teal trench]

lmao ye i havent played since like july

[teal trench]

fuck i actually have a prospector i could mine some quant

[wintry ruin]

Might want to stop grinding for a second or two then. When 3.15 releases it'll include a wipe of progress thus far. Anything bought in game will be gone, as will cash and reputation. This should be happening Soon™. I've heard some estimates of the 26th but we're ultimately not sure. Smart money is some time this week or early next month.

If you bought it via the Store with RL cash, were rewarded it for an event or something or it otherwise appears in the 'hanger' section of the website for you, you'll have it post-wipe.

They're doing this as they're updating not only the inventory interface and introducing looting but changing how inventory, physical items, cash, ships, reputation and more besides, work together. Bright side is it'll mean they can selectively reset only specific areas of the databases in the future rather than having to wipe it all.

[north oyster]

The Cutty is the Swiss army knife of star citizen. It's good at everything but great at nothing. If you're trade focus then I would look at the freelancer max as entry level

[obsidian stone]

I would concur with this suggestion.

[safe tree]

I've just started the game and starting handmining I know the caves are on Hurston bt can't find them and is there other planets tht I can handmine

[north oyster]

Doing low end bounties and also the surveillance missions might be better pay. Deliveries will receive a rework in 3.15 also allowing decent income without having to do three stops

[safe tree]

@north oyster thanks

[worthy scroll]

Yes, make box missions decent again like they used to be.

[north oyster]

I agree 100%, July of 2020 was when I started playing and deliveries provided bread and butter until I could get on my feet

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, I funded a lot of ships with deliveries before they made them pointless.

And I just enjoy doing that kind of stuff a lot more than combat missions. Relaxing gameplay.

[north oyster]

I miss the times of being able to clear over 100K aUEC doing runs from Crusader system to Microtech. But I will say I did grow weary of landing on skyscrapers

[lucid ridge]

anyone tested roc mining on the PTU i cannot seem to sell the ore in the roc anywhere

[north oyster]

They did a fix on the last patch where the storage for the ROC could not be accessed. I've not tested because when I tried to spawn the ROC at the Commons, it would not. I totally forgot about the garage under NBIS

[north oyster]

Just now in #sc-testing-chat from Wakapedia-CIG (as posted on reddit)

Hey hey! Another quick update! We have been testing a major crash fix on a few servers in secret and it looks to be helping. This was a major crash that was happening frequently. We will be hotfixing servers shortly here with this fix! Same changelist and there may be a very short downtime for connecting to regions while it happens.

This is for the PTU continual 30k crash cycle that has made testing pretty rough

[dense pond]

my buddy was selling ore from a roc a few days ago

what are some good trade routes for a freelancer?

right now ive been doing the top route on sc trade tools for it but on there the prices are way off for me currently so loooking for help here

says i should make 38,000 per trip but i only make 18,000

if you dont want to share your routes themselves if someone could just lmk what good prices are for different commodities it would be appreciateed

[signal coyote]

hey guys, new to SC...just wondering how much would i expect to profit per hour roughly hand mining if i choose to do so? im trying to work up to a prospector

[teal trench]

dont hand mine lol

ur not gonna make anything

[signal coyote]

so like 5k

[sonic laurel]

Once 3.15 hits PU it can become much more lucrative

But missions are likely to be better

[oak lake]

Prison mining doesn't get u merits does it

[main saddle]

It's the main reason to mine in prison: merits to get out sooner.

[oak lake]

I was under the impression it just reduced your sentence directly

Rather than granting merits to spend

[main saddle]

Unless anything changed, different gems are worth different amounts of merits. When you deposit mined gems, merits are granted and applied toward sentence reduction.

Used to be you’d get to keep any overage for future use.

[waxen sail]

Gib cargo route

[pallid temple]

It does

[hollow sedge]

if anyone wants to do some mining and cargo expeditions in my carrack just dm me, kinda bored, willing to pass all the profits on to you since i don't need the money

[sonic laurel]

no more selling merits?

[wintry ruin]

I've been in a few times, never been able to 'sell' merits, just buy stuff with them. Doing the missions or handing in ore gives you merits and knocks time off your sentence.

[oak lake]

Selling merits just means sending em to another player for money

[dense pond]

where did you buy/sell at?

[dense pond]

or what wass the price per unit for buy and sell?

[hoary ferry]

25UEC to buy 31.01UEC to sell

[dense pond]

idk how you found a 25 buy price, i can only find 26 and 27s

[hoary ferry]

HDMS-Lathan to Central Business District at Lorville

[dense pond]

ok thanks

[hoary ferry]

Or HDMS-Bezdek if no stock at Lathan

[dense pond]

ok thanks for the help

[dense pond]

just got to lathan, buy price is 27.32 for me

[hallow swallow]

The prices fluctuate.

[dense pond]

yeah mine have been high all day but his was like base price, just find that weird

[hallow swallow]

yours is a little high yes, i've been avg in the 26 range the last few days.

[dense pond]

Yeah and mine has just been goin up constantly

Up to 27.44 now

[dense pond]

Whats next best after lanarite? Like if that price gets high enough what would you suggest switching to

[waxen sail]

Are you able to fill in one go?

[dense pond]

in a freelancer you can

[crimson mantle]

The best places are usually the ones with the highest "refresh rate": https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Laranite
So Wala, then Arial

And try to sell at Loreville/NB for best sell price

If you can't fill all the way, check the alternative commodities: https://i.imgur.com/OGiEvFW.png

[jolly adder]

Are all Vice items treated equally or are some picked up more than others. Also does having stealthier ship make it easier to buy/sell?

[jolly adder]

I should clarify. Are some picked up by scanners more.

[crimson mantle]

No, if you are scanned by police they will see

Some vices you can legally possess a handful, but never in trading quantities

[jolly adder]

I see. Do stealthier ships have a harder time to get scanned?

Like can you invest in making a more stealthier ship just for that

[crimson mantle]

I'm not sure stealth plays a role with NPC police yet, but I do not know 😄

[jolly adder]

Interesting

[wintry ruin]

TL:DR stealth is irrelevant.

Stealthy ships can help you slip past griefers camping drug labs, but I've rarely seen them there. And even assuming they're not within 3km of the lab [about the minimal detection range of a stealth fit stealth fighter] you're only going to achieve such a small profile in a stealth fighter with no cargo hold.

As for getting past stop and scans. Doesn't matter. In time the Connie Taurus and the MSR will.have shilded compartments for.smuggling but this isn't implemented yet.

Any other ships cargo hold will be an open book if a police ship gets in your face and scans ylu

[crimson mantle]

I think the last 6 SCUs of the MSR doesn't show on scanner, but I don't know if it bypasses police as well 🤔

[jolly adder]

Thank you, exactly what I was looking for

[crimson mantle]

Also, from my experience: no shop buys enough vice to make it worth your while. You are better off trading literally anything else 🙂

[wintry ruin]

But all of what I typed is irrelevant to this: drugs are bad for making money.

Assuming you can fill a.modest hold.like a Nomads, you're going g to be waiting hours for the station you're selling at to reset its stock so you can sell it a dozen or so more units.

[jolly adder]

I see.

[crimson mantle]

It's better since the "fix", but you were never meant to pull up a pick up truck full of drugs and wholesale them 😛

[jolly adder]

So its more of a thing to do right now to tell all your friends that you deal drugs in space.

[crimson mantle]

It can pay for gas between point A and B, if you happen to stop by a lab

But that's about it

[wintry ruin]

Small ships are fine, single digit cargo holds but even then, not worth the hassle.

[jolly adder]

Right

Missions just pay more, less hassle. I mean for starting out in smaller ships.

[crimson mantle]

Absolutely

[jolly adder]

For me it just sounded like a real cool and fun concept. Hopefully in the future it becomes an option.

[crimson mantle]

Even if you were able to make that run with no wait time to sell (good luck with that! 😄 ), it's less than a legal monitor mission: https://tinyurl.com/4p258k38

[wintry ruin]

Trade tools can answer better but unless there's a refinery station with a drug sales terminal you can park a.hugh ship load of drugs and just sell.it each time you come back from.a.mining trip its mostly just a waste of.time

Sorry for random '.'s BTW, mobile taping

[jolly adder]

No problem and thanks for the into.

[hallow swallow]

I was only doing laranite runs to earn enough to get a prospector. @crimson mantle mentioned alternative commodities above you could take a look at. I didn't know about it either and will check it out.

[humble magnet]

And thats only because @crimson mantle is such an amazing beacon of knowledge and information. Thank you !

[thick sorrel]

hey, sorry if i am writing on the wrong channel. what should i do when i have delivered the shipment to a specific place and nothing happens? i lost ~40min for this quest and i wont let go 😄

[humble magnet]

Hmmm have u tried delivering to either delivery box machine or npc guy ?

[thick sorrel]

yes, machine wont open

[grim oxide]

it's not that machine

the machine should look like a red big vending machine

[humble magnet]

I know it shows that place but if its not registering it may be bugged...and that has hppnd to me before, tried retracing steps, from before landing ? Asked for landing permission and then redelivered....maybe

[grim oxide]

https://i.redd.it/1yd6be4spef41.jpg

[grim oxide]

this is the machine you want to deliver it to

[thick sorrel]

error

[grim oxide]

do you still have the mission?

[thick sorrel]

yes

[grim oxide]

or did it fail?

[grim oxide]

are you sure? is it still display in your "accepted" missions in your mobiglass?

oh

i think you're on the wrong outpost

there's 2 delivery locations for two packages right?

do the numbers in the delivery location and the package match ?

they probably dont since you've already delivered on of the boxes

[thick sorrel]

im the right spot

[grim oxide]

uuuh

ok come in vc and stream it if you can pls

[humble magnet]

Weird

[thick sorrel]

its my third time with a similar problem 😄

[grim oxide]

wow

i never had the bug before

but could you come in vc ?

[thick sorrel]

issue: got dc right now, so the problem has not been resolved, gg 😄

[north oyster]

You might also want to contribute to an Issue Council ticket about it too. That way the problem has a documented trail

[dense pond]

Ok thanks, the route i currently do doesnt have an alternative commodities on the trade tools site, but my prices finally went below 27auec to buy so im happy lol

[safe tree]

So I tried loading 2 smal cargos in my mustang alpha and the load bay was stuck and when lifting off both fell out any help?

[hallow swallow]

box missions?

[jolly adder]

if its a box mission you need to put them behind the seat.

Two ways.. Easy way, tractor beam... Harder way is to park next to a ramp and jump into the seat behind you. You look like a total knob doing this though.

[dense pond]

If u have a mustang why bother trying to do cargo, just do bounty missions or somthing its more of a fighter

[jolly adder]

True. Box missions are fun if you want to listen to music and just chill out, but you won't get rich fast.

[dense pond]

So currently what generally gets a higher aUEC/min. ROC mining or Prospector mining

[dense pond]

Nah they arnt fun to me, almost everytime i do then the mission breaks and is undoable

[hallow swallow]

if you go quant mining there is a lag in when you get the money. but it's big money

rock mining is more instant but you need to do more work to find the gems.

[coarse cape]

You both get around 200k per full load. For roc you get around 220k for a full load of hadanite and for prospector iirc it’s around 240k for full load of quant. With roc once you fill it you can instantly sell it for cash but with prospector you have to wait a certain amount of time depending on which refinery method you do.

With prospector you also need a cargo ship with at least 32 scu to transport the refined ore

[dense pond]

Ok cool so it sounds like the roc probably is more efficient?

[coarse cape]

You can use a cargo ship for the roc to transport it or you could drive it from the mining outposts but it will take longer

[dense pond]

Me and my buddy use cutty blacks to transport rocks around

I havnt done it yet but he has used his black for that purpose

[coarse cape]

@dense pond really depends. Recently it’s been easier to mine with a prospector but roc mining is good for beginners since you can rent the cutty and roc or freelancer and roc to get started

[dense pond]

Before i got into it i figured i would try to see if a prospector would be better

[sonic laurel]

nomad is cheap and holds a ROC

[coarse cape]

With prospector mining you can rent it but it’s a waste of money to rent since the stock laser is crap and you can’t change rented ships components

[dense pond]

I thought u could switch out remted. Did that patch that?

[coarse cape]

It was a bug

You’re not supposed to

[dense pond]

Ah

[coarse cape]

It’s like customizing an airport rented car lol

[dense pond]

Lmaoo

[coarse cape]

If you can get like 2.4mil for prospector and laser with sub components it’s def worth

[dense pond]

Yeah but will that money i can get a ship thats not solely for mining😂

[coarse cape]

Yeah lol

Really just depends. I used to like roc mining but 3.14 gutted it lol

[dense pond]

Seems really expensive to me for a ship that only really serves one purpose

[coarse cape]

Yeah but you can make millions lol

Plus you can stack refinery orders to sell in one go

[dense pond]

But how quickly can you make millions?

[coarse cape]

Pretty quick depending on where you look

[sonic laurel]

if you are solid at it a prospy with mining injectibles and a lancet looking for quant on lyria can mine about a million in quant in a 4 hour play session. though you have to wait a day and a half to refine it afterwards.

though you can mine more while it refines

[coarse cape]

Yeah

You can just land go to the refinery, set the work order, take off and go again

[sonic laurel]

personally I prefer ROC mining

[coarse cape]

Same

It’s fun

Tho I got a Taurus to do it sooo

[dense pond]

Dude i just wish doing trading was more lucrative

[coarse cape]

They did a hot fix so it’s better then what it was before

[dense pond]

Seems to me it should be the best way to make money, its the only method that really has risk

[coarse cape]

When I get access to ptu I’m going on and testing routes

[dense pond]

Like if so@ething goes wrong you can lose a shitton of money

[coarse cape]

@dense pond bounties are going to have risk now of losing gear

[dense pond]

So to me that should mean theres a higher reward

[coarse cape]

Well trading also depends on the econo

Economy*

If it’s crap you won’t make much

[dense pond]

But even if its good you will lose hours of work if your guy trips on the stairs and dies

Thats happened to me twice now

[coarse cape]

They’re fixing that soon

So*

[dense pond]

But with the new risk in bounty missions will that risk be as much as cargo? Lose a ship full of cargo and that can easily be 700k if you have like a caterpillar

Or am i wrong on how much money goes into loading up one of them

[coarse cape]

Well yeah trading is going to have more risk

[dense pond]

So therfore it should have more reward i feel like

[coarse cape]

But you can’t just have it be a flat reward

Like it depends on what you’re buying and who you’re buying it from. Who you’re selling it to and what you’re selling

[dense pond]

Thats not what im sayin im just sayin if your risking that much you should be able to profit more than 1/10th of the risk per run

[coarse cape]

What ship are you cargo running with and what are you hauling

I’ve been trading with s Taurus and it’s been going great for me

[dense pond]

Currently not really talkin bout myself as i only have a freelancer hauling laranite,

With the high numbers not myself, i reallise with a small ship my margins will be lower

[coarse cape]

Yeah

Well also they probably want it balanced since it used to be super over powered and that’s all people would mostly do

[dense pond]

But even with the smaller ship i risk 175k in order to profit 18k sometimes

Like thats rediculous

[coarse cape]

idk man ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Welcome to alpha

[dense pond]

Thats like nearly half my money😂

Only have 500k rn cuz i lost everything to a staircase twice

[coarse cape]

Ah rip

I’m losing everything next patch lol

[dense pond]

Well yeah cuz wipe lol

I just hope they fix stairs killing you for no reason

Ive died more to stairs on wala then i have to anything else

[coarse cape]

They talked about in the recent scl so pretty sure it’s being fixed

I think it was scl

[north oyster]

The HeartBeat 30K protector with the hotfix for Trade, running Trade routes will be a viable income strategy in 3.15 Live. Of course you will need to have enough aUEC to buy. So you will need to do basic Deliveries (which have been improved in 3.15), Bounties and also Mining (for those of us who have the ROC & carrier). Once you can run trade, you will be more insured against 30K failures. For the Stairwell kills, you will need to be sure they get an IC ticket to be fixed.

Not sure this will satisfy the "how do I make millions quick" question but it will be a solid path to begin gaining aUEC

[hallow swallow]

Maybe I haven't spent enough time out, but It's been hard for me to find quant on lyria. I have heard it's a great moon for it.

[sonic laurel]

You have to know where to look

Quant is found in the piedmont regions around mountains on cold moons

And to a lesser extent the plains a couple of KM past the piedmont

Sometimes in the mountains themselves but not as much

[north oyster]

Hawk gaming did a video where he helps you pinpoint the location of the Quan on the planet. I forgot the outpost that is key and there is a specific mountain range to go to. Maybe worth looking up

WAVE 2 is open on PTU

[hoary ferry]

o

[hollow sedge]

Has there been any data on minables’ location distribution changing in 3.15 ?

[north oyster]

I think the setup is about the same. @crimson mantle will probably highlight an chances that are worth noting

[hollow sedge]

Yeah I was too chicken to ping him

[north oyster]

The Radar PING of the ships for small deposits is an issue still

[hollow sedge]

Ohh that makes sense

My friend on ptu said he couldnt find roc minables

[crimson mantle]

As soon as it goes LIVE, i'll update the website and post the comparison with 3.14 on reddit 😄

[hollow sedge]

And I thought thatd be your answer anyways, thx sc trade tools

[crimson mantle]

Things do change a little during the PTU cycle, so what I datamine now is not reliable

[hollow sedge]

Yeah i get it

[north oyster]

The ship ping will only show ROC deposits within 1K of the ship

[crimson mantle]

Also I'm not wave 1, so I too need to wait 😅

[north oyster]

it's totally fubar since 3.14

Wave 2 is out

[hollow sedge]

Thx tripper, didnt know that it was a known thing

[north oyster]

So OPEN Wave should be in a day or two

[north oyster]

I'm pretty salty about this issue. ROC mining is one of my joys since it was rolled out. Still frustrated by this treatment, LOL

[hollow sedge]

Yeah we had avoided it for 3.14 and with crash recovery and reset were going to try it again

Tho Im not clear if the 30k recovery will recover boxes

[north oyster]

3.15 is going to offer some golden upgrades for Trade and also 30K recovery while doing trade

Your ship will be restored in the exact same status as it was at the last heartbeat backup

NOTE you do NOT Claim your ship

[hollow sedge]

Ok cool, so my 10 boxes I pulled from my roc should hopefully be somewhat preserved

[north oyster]

It might take 10 minutes but you wait until you can retrieve your ship and everything will be in it

in theory

All the feedback on the 30k recovery function has pretty positive

[hollow sedge]

Yeah i heard about 10 minute wait

Ty guys

[sonic laurel]

is there a heatbeat for your ROC? If I 30k do I have to wait for my ship to restore and then fly back to my ROC which will be where it was and half-full of hadanite?

[fierce crater]

For the radar ping issue has anyone tried angling their radar?

[north oyster]

I'm thinking we will need to empty the ROC into a box each time in the ship to insure preservation. I've not tested the aspects of ROC with heartbeat. I think the Prospector will be safe though

[north oyster]

Directional changes doesn't change the distance of signature returns. I wish it did. I tried with a very tight cone and got the same results when running 180 or 360 radius scans

[thick sorrel]

guys, why i cant sell the goods? thanks!

[hallow stratus]

I think you can sell only a limited amount of it

That or this game is being bad

[shell edge]

Based on the price I see on that terminal, I would suggest that there is an oversupply of SLAM (if there had been an undersupply, the price would be closer to 180), and I would guess that the inventory of the terminal is full. Try wait about 10 minutes and see if it changes.

From SC-trade.tools: SLAM ¤180 UEC Max 500 units + 20/min

that formula is basically your problem

[thick sorrel]

thanks! 🙂

[hallow stratus]

Also neon is the superb drug to sell

If I remember

[shell edge]

remember that trade is shared over all servers

so a trader on another server can fill up a terminal 🙂

[hallow stratus]

Ghetto server mesh

[thick sorrel]

sice i have a whole ship loaded with goods, should i wait outside the terminal or drop by once in a while?

[shell edge]

the trade terminals update about every 10 minutes, you can then see the amount of units it updates with (in theory it should update with 20units/min), but action of other traders on other servers could change that number.

I rarely sell drugs, but on other goods, I just set a timer for 10 minutes, and check the terminal a few times in that period.

[thick sorrel]

so what do you recommended to sell except drugs?

[shell edge]

with the ship you use, I would actually reccommend drugs. but probably look a drug with a bit higher refresh rate

[thick sorrel]

first of the firsts, mustang 😄

[shell edge]

but I trade with a hercules C2, and drugs are not reccommended for that, imagine having to sell 69600 units of SLAM on that terminal 🙂

[thick sorrel]

would takes to wipe 😄

[shell edge]

even if nobody else sold it, it would take me 58 hours to get rid of it..

constantly selling every 25 minutes

[hallow stratus]

Neon is the best

Unless you got no cargo space

[thick sorrel]

i have starting ship, mustang alpha

[hallow stratus]

Ah

Don’t even think it’s profitable

[thick sorrel]

so what is the best for start?

[hallow stratus]

For cargo with mustang?

Or to make money

[thick sorrel]

yup

both 😄

[hallow stratus]

Nothing

For cargo

It will be to slow

Ship combat will be ur best bet

Ai is extremely bad

[thick sorrel]

ok, thanks!

[inland lily]

Trading in this game is very much a volume and margins thing; so small quantity selling is ever going to be hard to make a lot out of given the time it takes vs mining and other activities.

When Jumptown v2 is active, that may change, but its how things seem to be with both the PU and PTU for now

[elder hill]

Are you able to put Cargo on your ship as well as a vehicle? What happens if you have a vehicle on board & than you go to a terminal to buy cargo?

[crimson mantle]

Feel free to give a shot to https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes
Vices are bad in general 🙂

[wintry ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/hugs-not-drugs-teacher-make-good-choices-advice-dont-do-drugs-gif-15384805

[pulsar pollen]

I can't seem to sell gems from my backpack. Somebody suggested stowing them in my hatch area (Aurora as I'm new) and the terminal would see them.

[signal coyote]

hey everyone new to SC, im working on getting some credits to purchase a prospector.My question is, should i just grind it out doing missions, or should i take what i have in the bank and rent one now? would i be able to make what i need in lets say 3-7 days one stock equipment?

[elder hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/a52c9z/psa_if_you_have_a_vehicle_with_scu_capacity/

This post is a few years old but does this essentially mean that if you have a vehicle on your ship, the game will know how much SCU the vehicle takes?

So in theory you could load up a vehicle & than buy a few extra units of cargo to fill up the rest of the space in your cargo hold?

[grim belfry]

Anyone know where the black market at Cru I5 beatiful glen station is I cant find it

[hallow swallow]

I just got a mole to try out for solo play. I have some experience with a prospector so wanted to see how it is with the bigger ship. Modules are limited per laser so any recommendations on laser/module setup? I know at least one i'll have to get a lancet.

[hallow swallow]

Yup this is how it works. Tried this very recently. I had parked a ROC in and took up about 30+sCU of cargo space. I was able to fill the rest of the hold with cargo. When you fill the cargo it will be placed around it. However I parked the ROC very specifically. So I don't know for sure if the game will move the vehicle to accomodate for the cargo. Or Say if I parked it at an angle, which would take up more space IRL, maybe it would reduce available sCU for cargo.

[elder hill]

Wow this works way better than I thought I would. I backed up my ROC all the way to the back. I had about 22 SCU leftover & bought some hydrogen to sell near nearby. It actually stacks the boxes around the vehicle!! That's so cool

Now I get to think about all this flammable gas near my mining car in the back of my tin can aka Cutty Black

[elder hill]

and of course Everus Harbor was glitched to death and partially loaded xD.

as well as my ship's controls dying twice on the way back from Ita. Had to power cycle the ship

I stored my ship before logging so hopefully the lil bit of hydrogen is still on board.

Probably won't be tho

Glad I was able to test this before 3.15 tho

my goodness storing it worked we did it lads

[hallow swallow]

Awesome. I posted a picture of a roc dwarfed by boxes in the cargo hold of a taurus. Pretty neat to see how well it worked. Based on where I parked I think I could've taken out the roc. And parked it back again. Albeit very very carefully. Might try that sometime.

Uhh with cheap cargo

[fluid sun]

Is selling hadanite and aphorite broken right now? I've been all over the place and can't find a terminal that even shows the stuff in my bag.

[marble crater]

if you have some space in your ship you can try making a personal crate and leaving it on your ship to sell at a terminal

[fluid sun]

I have the Aurora. Can I just drop them on the floor you think?

[marble crater]

yeah anywhere on the floor works

[fluid sun]

Will try it, thanks.

[frail roost]

Toss 'em in the sleep hole!

[fluid sun]

Does the ship have to be on the pad or can it be put up?

[frail roost]

Either works.

[fluid sun]

Slick

[frail roost]

For relevant locations, it doesn't even have to be on the pad. Just being inside an X-distance bubble/radius does it.

For example, you can land a cargo ship on the ice outside New Babbage Commons garage and walk in to sell your cargo.

[fluid sun]

Sounds like a cool place to visit!

[frail roost]

Cool? More like cold.

Microtech's a snowball.

With a few gorgeous forests scattered around.

[mortal kettle]

can you store hadanite in a nomad from a roc in 3.15?

or possible to make a crate and put it inside nomad?

[marble crater]

you can do that in 3.14. Has personal crates changed in 3.15?

[bright star]

I believe it isn't possible in 3.15.

[marble crater]

well that sucks

[covert kite]

Is it good money to do the overstocked understocked trade runs?

[frail roost]

Maybe reliable money, but other commodities have better margins with good refresh rates.

Anything with a refresh over 1000/min on http://sc-trade.tools is a good bet.

[covert kite]

How do you check refresh rates?

[frail roost]

“Show Stock Details” on the trade route page.

[covert kite]

Ok thx

[teal crater]

cargo running still fucked?

[lyric snow]

For big ships, yea

Has anyone tried splitting your cargo hold into like 4 different runs?

[north oyster]

Trading has had a hot fix and also 30k has been removed as a threat to trading now. So, it's not

[north oyster]

Not sure I know what you mean by this. As related to legs for trade runs? Trying to understand the question.

[obsidian stone]

I think he is talking about maximizing mixed loads for maximum selling potential at destination.

[north oyster]

I've not done any heavy trading in 3.14 Live since the hot fix. For the future of Trade, the 30K protection from 3.15 will be very welcomed as we build up our income back to the warchest we had built over the past year and half.

[trail adder]

I just arrived to Lorville to sell some gems aaaand I crashed

That's a lot of money down the drain

First time mining too

Whew! I got to keep my stuff this time

[crimson mantle]

As long as you request landing somewhere that can spawn your ship, you should be OK 😄

The real problem is when you crash just after leaving the planet outpost

[trail adder]

Thanks for the advice. I accidently unequipped my backpack and all ore disappeared lol

[crimson mantle]

Ouch

For gems you usually don't have to sell far from where you mine though

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Hadanite
or https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer with a planet in the location filter

In most cases you can just turn around and sell to an outpost right on the moon where you mine, then go right back out!

[trail adder]

Thank you!

[crimson mantle]

My pleasure

[gaunt panther]

hey me and a buddy are having a issue where his ship doesnt show up in the cargo buying menus

[north oyster]

I saw your comment and was about to mention you can sell gems most everywhere when I saw SC Trade Tools got you up to speed. Better luck next time. Also ProTip if the outpost has "Mining" in it's name, you'll be able to sell the gems for a little more (or use to be able to, SC TT will have to correct me on that one).

[jolly adder]

As someone who is just starting out, box missions seem to be a lot of work for the payout.

Is it because I have low rep?

[coarse cape]

they dont get better with rep

[north oyster]

3.15 makes changes to the delivery missions and also bump the pay.

I think I heard about rep that involved delivery missions in 3.15

[jolly adder]

Oh awesome. Thanks I had no idea. I'll look into it.

[north oyster]

One was a very high paying delivery, I think it was over 14k aUEC

[jolly adder]

I'm still learning. The rep system needs some love. I still have no idea how it works. Is it by region or who the company is who offers it.

[fluid sun]

This took me more than a day to figure out and nobody specifically said it so I'll throw it out here for anyone else who's oblivious to it... when you drop gems while inside your ship, then it creates a personal crate. Once you have that your ship will show up on terminals to sell it. I haven't found a way to add stuff to that personal crate though. So whatever you dump first is what will be in that box. I do think you can make multiples but it's pretty tight in an aurora so I didn't.

[hallow swallow]

This is from your personal inventory?

[fluid sun]

Yeah, from your personal inventory, drop commodities while in your ship. It will prompt to make a box. Once in a box items will show up to sell on the terminals.

[hallow swallow]

Interesting. Good to know. I only knew it was possible for ROC mining.

Thanks for sharing

[marble crater]

Are you referring to 3.14 or 3.15 ptu?
in 3.14 you can hit I to access inventory, wait a sec for the loot to load, then right click on it & select Store All Commodities. It will create a box at your feet

[fluid sun]

What you said, my bad.

3.14

[marble crater]

sorry we should have mentioned that bit when you were asking the other day. I think this is changing in 3.15 though

[fluid sun]

So not the drop option. The store option is blocked in other locations and not in your ship. Duh, guess I was still confused.

[marble crater]

not sure if you can add more to the same box though. seems to want to create a new box each time

[north oyster]

I got a few brief moments in the PTU, my goal was to test ROC mining. Gone are the days of just dashing off in to the star field of space and showing up to mine. You have to plan your actions. You need to consider the consequences of places you go and things you might need. You need to get gear and make sure it is in the ship. Just where to you plan to keep that Pembroke armor? The new game play is going to shock a lot of players. The change is (to me) profound.

[woeful moss]

I like it

[north oyster]

Absolutely, play is much more purposeful

[obsidian stone]

What? Logistics are going to be a thing?🤣

[tardy flower]

@north oyster do you know if scan gems are more simple in 3.15?

[marble crater]

that's some good points about extreme weather gear I hadn't considered

[obsidian stone]

One of the reasons I'm a bit salty that the MSR doesn't have dedicated suit lockers.

[pallid temple]

It does

[obsidian stone]

Where? I'm flying one currently.

[pallid temple]

In habitation

[obsidian stone]

I believe those are for general purpose storage. They aren't dedicated for environmental suits.

On other ships, suit lockers are located next to airlocks which the MSR is also lacking.

[coarse cape]

Msr needs an elevator tbh

[obsidian stone]

Agreed. it could use an airlock with suit lockers in the vestibule of the habitation/bridge/rec area.

[north oyster]

I'm testing that next but my anticipation is that the Ships radar PING is still messed up and you only get a hit on deposits that are within 1K meters of the ship. The community hasn't made enough noise about this nert for CIG to consider fixing the issue.

[obsidian stone]

I'm not a dedicated ROC miner but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy from scanning in 3.15

[north oyster]

I'm thinking you're right on the money

[languid dust]

Hello, is there a way to find ROC minables through ship scanner? I was able to find ROC minable rocks only if I flew directly over them by chance. :/

[frail roost]

IIRC, they will not appear on scanner further than 4km out, so any hits past that can be disregarded.

[tardy flower]

Thanks !

[hallow swallow]

My personal best single haul of Quant. Thanks to @north oyster for the donations to get a Mole to try out.

The slight inconvenience of soloing a Mole is ok when I can bring back this much quant.

[carmine jacinth]

Hey folks,

Fairly new to SC, and tried giving mining a go today! I rented a prospector, headed on out to some space rocks, but that’s where things fell apart.

None of the rocks appeared scannable. Whether by pressing ‘v’ to bring up the scanner, clicking around, holding, scrolling in and out to vary the scope, getting right up against the rocks, being a little further away - nada.

Likewise tried just going into mining mode, all sorts of distances and angles and different rocks - Nada. No beeps, no boops, no outlines.

Quit the game and reloaded in case it was just being buggy, repeated all of the above - nada.

Anything I’m doing wrong here?

——
Edit: Playing on 3.14
Edit: Surface mining working just fine, just the space mining giving me trouble

[marble crater]

some rocks are just bugged in 3.14. If you stumble across a dud just gotta keep looking. it's pretty annoying

I've come across 5 bugged quantainium clusters in a row which has been my worst run

[hollow sedge]

How do you solo mole cuz I keep having to play hot potato with the seats

[carmine jacinth]

I spent about an hour going rock to rock with zero outlines or scanability - was pretty disheartening since the 51k aUEC I spent to rent it for 24 hours was everything from the last couple days of playing I saved up.

Probably checked 30-40 rocks with no way to mine them.

Oh well. Maybe 3.15 will bring a new hope for space mining 🤞

[marble crater]

oof that's aweful luck

another thing you can try is quantum jumping say 200km ahead to find a new patch

[hallow swallow]

that's pretty bad luck. When I go out I will definitely find those duds. I move on, then try with a new cluster. Also sometimes you can try move your reticle away from the rock slowly until you get some signal strength indicator, hold the scan button then move the reticle slowly back towards the rock, it might scan. More likely than not, just move along.

[hallow swallow]

I just did a run in the Mole solo. I've only been out with it a few times, but I've been doing a lot of mining with the prospector before that. It helps to keep some things in mind when scanning. When you get a ping a cluster. Scan it and see what value it gives. I forgot the units (ms, mx?). Anyway, a value of 5000 means there's one rock. You want at least 10000, then it's worth closing in to investigate. Quant rocks are more likely found in pairs or more. Once close enough to scan the rocks, do that and take note of the mass and instability. Most asteroid in the belt are 4.5k to 5.1k in mass. If instability is around 4, it's ok, you'll get a low percentage of quant in the rock. But if it around 7, then you know it's definitely worth going down to the mining laser for a more detailed scan. Yeah it's kind of inconvenient, but if you're diligent with the scan and have a rough idea what to look out for it helps reduce switching seats. I'll probably still take the prospector out a lot. But if i'm not rushing I can see myself taking out the mole. The larger carrying capacity makes it worth the effort when you find a nice batch of quant rocks, and I don't have to be too picky about extracting the rocks. Enough capacity to pick up trash.

[north oyster]

Was this on a moon or in the Asteroid Belt? Or was this around a Lagrange point?

The scanning issue does happen often. I would say keep going and looking. I had times when it took about 30+ minutes before I found something.

[north oyster]

Dang, nice haul!

[strong kelp]

There's some sort of lag server-side with the rock substitutions. I've developed a pigeon-superstition that you have to fly directly at them the last 1km (don't crab or fly past them) so the server knows you mean business. Patience is a virtue.

[fluid sun]

Did you hit Tab to do the initial scan?

[desert crypt]

Liberator: those side-canisters (currently cosmetic), CIG should see about making those canisters ejectable like on the Prospector, and make them useful modular items. I envision you can choose/load canisters for different purposes. Eg. if military, the canister can be ejected at landing and become a temporary field hospital or command center. They could also contain fuel and when deployed, act as temp refueling station. If you are doing colonization, they could be temp shelters. So many possibilities really.

[hollow sedge]

Nope

The canisters follow the rule of cool

They do jackshit

[vast summit]

I thought about getting one for hauling a miner, but im kinda waiting on the details of the mobile refinery.

My thought would be to use the Liberator as a mobile hangar/warehouse for mining operations.

[hollow sedge]

Yeah just wait on the Orion that will be a great mining operation ship

[desert crypt]

it's why i said "they should see about making them..." as in, turn them into something useful

[carmine jacinth]

Thanks all for the replies!

@north oyster - Was out at ARC-L1, just trying the rocks off the station there.

@fluid sun - Yessir, tab for ping, scan mode & mining mode to try and get some sort of info on the rocks. Can always see the asteroid symbol and distances from tab pings, just can’t get the scan highlights /outlines to show up.

@strong kelp - Haha! I’ll give your method a go, about to hop back on for a bit and try some more.

[fluid sun]

And you hold down lmb? I'm new so I'm sure I'm not adding much here.

[north oyster]

not so, contributions are always welcomed!

[hollow sedge]

You don’t run tests to figure out what the disease is. You test to see what it isn’t and from there you find the treatment.

[north oyster]

Disease is often the symptom, not the true problem Don't treat the symptom .... but then again, that is all allopathic knows how to do

[vast summit]

I want to like the Orion, but its just too big for my tastes.

And with it being capital size, its mobility will be limited.

And by mobility im talking useable jump points

[north oyster]

It is massive, and it will not be possible to run unless you have a guild or team working with you. No solo players need apply

[agile dagger]

Hey all! I'm looking to get into mining with a small crew (<5) and am trying to pick a ship for this. Any suggestions?

[desert crypt]

One possibility: (assuming 5 ppl) Start with an Argo MOLE and two Prospectors. Work on mining knowledge, skills and coordination. Then when the mobile refining ship is available, swap a Prospector for a refining ship. The second Prospector can be swapped as needed to ferry the refined ore for sale.

The addition of Mining Gadgets might happen soon, it could be you’ll need one EVA miner engineer to be ready to go out and attach mining gadgets, so One MOLE, one Prospector and one of them carriers the EVA mining engineer. The engineer becomes the “flex guy”, who does various roles. Some asteroids have surface mineables, so he could stay out there doing that between his gadget duties.

[mortal kettle]

you could do 2-3 prospectors and a scout or two, or maybe a mole with pilot and two miners and a scout...

[agile dagger]

I was thinking of basing the team off of a Cutlass Black? Seems like a manageable ship size, but has decent storage and upgrade options

[mortal kettle]

oh, you mean for ground mining?

[agile dagger]

I’m afraid I’m a tad noob-y to anything not just the bounty missions. I’m not sure I understand the distinction?

[mortal kettle]

freelancer max makes a nice ship, can hold multiple rocs and has 4 seats up front. cutlass black has less room for multiple rocs

roc is a ground mining vehicle, usually cutlass black when mining is used for that

as transport

prospector and mole are mining ships

prospector is a single seater, mole is for multicrew mining with a pilot seat and 3 mining seats

[sonic laurel]

cutty black holds 2 ROCS well and 3 with care

[north oyster]

MAX offers considerably more room and better cargo function. The Cutty, FL and MAX are all respectable ships for what they can do

[sonic laurel]

cutty black is a great "team ship" if you plan to play with one other person. If you have 3 or more people then a connie

[north oyster]

Connie is sort of that golden pivotal point in ships

[agile dagger]

So far our “team” is just two of us. But we’re hoping to get a handful of other friends with us once we get things up and running

[sonic laurel]

then cutty black is probably the most flexible

[agile dagger]

What do those nicknames stand for? Lol I’m having a hard time keeping all the ships straight

[sonic laurel]

freelancer max, freelancer, cutlass black

[agile dagger]

Thank you

[mortal kettle]

freelancer max is a variant of the freelancer or fl, cutty is cutlass black

freelancer holds 66 cargo scu (cargo) and freelancer max holds 120. cutlass black holds 46?

[north oyster]

My apologies and thanks Volt for picking up the reply

[mortal kettle]

if you do get a freelancer max, or a constellation taurus, you would be better set for mining with a ship and transporting refined ores

because of increased cargo capacity

taurus holds 176 scu

[sonic laurel]

max isn't exactly a 2-man ship

cutty has wider gameplay while the carrying capacity only matters if they are intense prospy or mole mining

[mortal kettle]

it can be with pilot and turret

[sonic laurel]

that being said the only real answer is to wait until CNOU makes a 3 man ship :^)

[mortal kettle]

if i solo mine with roc, i prefer nomad for its handling over cutty tbh

[sonic laurel]

Nomad is my ship 100%

[mortal kettle]

i melted my nomad ;; to upgrade my freelancer to a max

but i'm going to buy a nomad with auec

[agile dagger]

okay, that all makes sense

I'll take a look at those ships

thanks

Is there a good spot for me to look at what ships can get which upgrades? If im going to buy a new ship, I want to be sure it'll be worth upgrading

[mortal kettle]

https://www.erkul.games

in general, a ship can fit components compatible with its size. there are various categories, like civilian, military, stealth...

weapon hardpoints are different for each ship.

this is a default avenger titan
https://www.erkul.games/loadout/idi1i2RL

you can customize it to something like
https://www.erkul.games/loadout/flIm9b8B

[agile dagger]

Cool! thanks

[pulsar pollen]

Question: I have just retrieved a BlackBox for a mission and the mission says return it to Area18. I'm here and I don't see anyplace to drop it off at?

[frail roost]

There should be a navigation point/mission marker

[pulsar pollen]

There isn't sadly. The mission reads that I have picked up the box but there isn't a location to deliver it. The text just reads Area 18

[frail roost]

I know there's a delivery box at the A18 hab...

Try there?

Or maybe at the Admin office.

[fierce crater]

So question, if I borrow my friends Cat and I'm the one who docks can I buy and sell cargo from it or do I need to rent one or own one to do that?

[karmic nimbus]

I believe only the owner of a ship can buy/sell cargo to it

[quaint grail]

How do I get rid of cargo on my ship , I have 66 units of scrap I have no idea what to do with it

[north oyster]

Port Olisar buys scrap, try there @quaint grail

[quaint grail]

Thanks

[crimson mantle]

Should be fairly easy to find a buyer 😄 https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Scrap

[north oyster]

Jack Axton (THE Trader of Star Citizen) just posted a refresher on trading that will be helpful when 3.15 goes live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NxTYWawbvM

[open viper]

is C2 worth trading in with the way the game is right now or should i just go with something smaller?

[desert crypt]

Wait until 3.16 cuz Hull-C drop likely comes with larger scale trading.

[open viper]

well i have a C2 so i was not sure if i should bother using it with this next patch

or just something smaller

[north oyster]

C2 is fantastic ship for trade. Regardless of what you pick, you'll need to build up you funds in game to fill them up. I just posted a video by Jack Axton, he covers what you can earn and the best routes.

[hallow swallow]

I'm trying out a ROC and nomad combo again. Last time I did it was scarily unstable. Seems better now, but as the back goes up the ROC slides forwards. I'm sure it's fine, but it would be nice if it looked neater. Any tips?

[north oyster]

There's a few nomad fans here, they'll be able to help. I'm a little partial to the MAX

[open viper]

hmm ok

[north oyster]

PTU is now OPEN PTU ... if anyone wants to try it

[hallow swallow]

🤯

[north oyster]

TIP if you download the PTU, when 3.15 goes LIVE you can use that downloaded version and just rename the folder to "Live"

[open viper]

thats what i do when i download PTU.....i just make a copy of live and let it update to PTU

[sonic laurel]

it's probably angle and depth. That being said it's perectly fine since all that matters is that teh game registers it as belonging to the same physics grid

[open viper]

not sure if thats a good idea tho

[hallow swallow]

I'm going to try this. Don't want to wait so long for the download

[open viper]

just make sure you aim it at the right folder

[hallow swallow]

folder should just be \PTU?

[open viper]

yeah make a copy of LIVE and rename it to PTU

let PTU download just a bit

[hallow swallow]

sweet

[open viper]

close the launcher and replace the folder

when you open it back up it should scan whats there and update it

[wintry ruin]

Turn the Roc's engine off

[north oyster]

Also, the ROC does not close up when you exit it. You have to manually close it

[frail roost]

I’ve been able to fill my C2 every time since the recent hotfix, for about 4-500k each time.

[open viper]

ok

[frail roost]

And a profit of about 160k per load, depending on the cargo.

[open viper]

only gonna have 35k when 3.15 comes out

painful

[crude basin]

How to make money with the ROC since ROC minables are almost entirely undetectable in 3.15?

[green light]

Agro, Cargo

[ionic ore]

I put manual about my panel for SC. Its in my own lang, please use google translator if you want to understand 😉 https://www.starcitizen-hub.pl/topic/78-xec-panel-kontroler-do-star-citizen/

[safe tree]

I have the aroura cl how do I use the 6 cargo slots I'm new.to the game

I have been placing cargo inside cockpit but can see there is space underneath for cargo how do I use this ?

[obsidian stone]

The cargo area on the Aurora series is not functional as intended for its final design. You can still use the 6 SCU but you will not be able to see it. This will allow your Aurora to haul very small amounts of different commodities.

[fluid sun]

Do you know if 3.15 fixes that?

[obsidian stone]

No. It won't be addressed until the Cargo Refactor is in at least.

[fluid sun]

Okay, so get another ship asap lol

[obsidian stone]

why? The Aurora series works just fine.

[fluid sun]

I don't understand then. You said it's not functional as intended, can't see the cargo, but it's just fine?

[obsidian stone]

Yes. It's more a visual graphics problem. As far as gameplay is concerned, it's works just fine.

[fluid sun]

For me it's my only ship ever so I don't know what I'm not seeing and it's been a little confusing. I plan on getting an avenger titan asap I think.

[obsidian stone]

I understand. The intent for the Aurora and Mustang series of ships when it comes to cargo hauling is that they use a modular container that attaches to the underside of the hull (think mini-shipping container). Until they add the feature into the game, those ships handle cargo with "space magic". You can still use the specified cargo capacity without the shipping container.

[fluid sun]

Thanks, I saw that space and wondered what it's for. How does one use that space magic? What kind of cargo is that? Just from mining or boxes etc too?

I assume mining. Boxes just go on the inside.

[obsidian stone]

At this stage of development, you can use the cargo area to haul commodities which can be bought at trade terminals located at most locations throughout the system. Every station, landing zone, and outpost will likely have a trade terminal selling and buying various commodities. When you make a purchase, the items will be "magically" deposited to your ships cargo hold. You will not be able to see it though.

[fluid sun]

Got it, just that visual piece on the ship is missing. Thanks.

[obsidian stone]

Correct.

The reason it is missing goes a little deeper into development of some upcoming systems but i provided the simplest answer i feel.

[north oyster]

The rate of return on time versus income has gotten messed up because of the radar ping but the deposits are still there and there are ways to find them but it takes much longer than it used to. ROC mining is part of my income plan, it just won't be nearly a lucrative as it was prior until CIG fixes the issue

[desert crypt]

Tangent Aurora/Mustang: SC ships should be evaluated as “% mission ready”. Eg. Carrack is only 30-40% mission ready cuz it’s missing so much of its intended features not yet implemented. 3.15 adds medical, but still bulk of its features (plus general features like Engineering) still pending. So on.

[exotic cloak]

Decided to come back for my yearly check in of the game and it looks like mining is good again? Gonna be fishing for some quant rocks when the new patch hits :)

[obsidian stone]

You might have to be very specific with what type of mining you are referring to. There are issues to mining depending on what you're referring to.

[exotic cloak]

Last time I played, asteroid mining was bugged. You couldn't actually find minable rocks. Now it seems like going mining for Quant in asteroid fields is lucarative?

[obsidian stone]

Asteroid mining is still lucrative. Previous iterations were arguably more lucrative. The problem with asteroid mining is you will find "ghost rocks". These are "mineable" deposits that do not have any scannable minerals in them. Also, in previous iterations, scannable clusters of mineables would contain at least on substantial quantanium deposit. Now these clusters might not have any quantainium in them. Granted, I haven't mined in weeks but thise are the issues I am most familiar with.

[exotic cloak]

Gotcha. Yeah, last time I played both Cargo and Mining were in the gutter so its good to see its at least somewhat good now.

[obsidian stone]

Cargo is just now getting it's groove back.

[frail roost]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes and put in your biggest pledged cargo ship and starting cash. 35k in Scrap from Yela to PO makes 12k, but you could make more seed money running "illegal surveillance" missions first.

[bright quartz]

am i doing cargo right?

[safe tree]

@obsidian stone thanks man

[hallow swallow]

human trafficking. not cool man

[bright quartz]

lmao

[north oyster]

Be sure to test the PTU, this is going to be a totally different beast with game play. Way different than anything we've seen before. I think it's going to catch many by surprise

ROC mining is now nearly worthless with 3.14 (and still in 3.15) "broken" with ship ping not picking up deposits unless within 1k of the ship.

The broken scanning of mining deposits is mostly gone but does still happen

Not sure if the Helix was King the last time you played but it's now the Lancet.

Trade is WAY improved with a hotfix

[exotic cloak]

Yeah, ive been doing a bit of research. I have a 300i and a prospector. So when 3.15 goes live I guess I will use the 300i to get some early credits to outfit my prospector with a lancet and mods. Then go quant mining until I have enough refinery orders waiting to justify renting a cutty/lancer to run the quant to market.

[obsidian stone]

Research is KING! Good on you and good strategy.

[hallow swallow]

So I'm trying ROC mining with a nomad. There's some great things about it. But with stock components on the moon of Arial, it overheats so often and my systems shut down. I did not realize that heat currently played that big a role in the game right now. Or is there some thing wrong? I plan to pick up some industrial strength coolers that should double the cooling according to erkul and give it another try.

[pallid temple]

You can't swap out components on the ROC

[hallow swallow]

no i mean the Nomad is overheating as i'm flying around scanning for gems.

no issues with the ROC

[pallid temple]

Oh the Nomad

Coolers don't make a difference currently

[hallow swallow]

ah then wonder what's going on. I've tried ROC mining with other ships and never had them overheat.

this is every few minutes. I am flying fast. when the warning comes on. i stop and park before it dies on me while i'm flying.

[sonic laurel]

It's a bug

[hallow swallow]

damn, it's a nice little ship for the job. I've tried a few of the other common ones, and the Nomad is super nimble skimming over the ground. when I find a deposit I can park it with the back facing the gems and I use the rock directly on the ramp. don't even have to drive it out.

ROC*

[hollow sedge]

Nomad can carry roc? I thought it was a starter cargo like the mr or titan

[pallid temple]

It can carry a ROC

It's a "premium" starter

[hallow swallow]

it had alot of issues before. technical stuff, but the ROC fits nicely and doesn't jump around anymore when the ramp goes up.

needs to be parked in reverse though.

[pallid temple]

Yeah once they fixed ship elevators it wasn't as bad

[hollow sedge]

How much is it?

[pallid temple]

$80 excluding tax, or 952k in-game

[polar flame]

tried ROC mining last night but found that 80% of the stones I found has spawned inside of another bigger rock and were unable to mine. So frustrating. Contributed to the IC bug

[hallow swallow]

Which moon?

i had the same issue

can you link me the ticket i can help contribute too.

in my case i tried to roc mining first in 3.14. on Arial, started at HDMS lathan and headed south. right after i tried on 3.15, same starting location and heading. it looks to me like there is a lot more large boulder coverage in that location. it does look more detailed. but as you said, found 3/4 hadanite deposits under large boulders.

[north oyster]

They are specially addressing that in 3.15 also

[polar flame]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-12324

there are a few of them open

[north oyster]

p Patch broke the 30k protection. q patch to fixed the broken that was previously fixed

[vernal birch]

Have they ever said anything about being able to sift out specific raw materials after mining them? Like if I mine a rock with titanium and beryl and then want to sift out the beryl and inert materials so I can just get the titanium

[pallid temple]

You can't do that no

The Prospector will at some point be able to dump the inert ore but that's only it

[north oyster]

That's not implemented yet, when the refinery ships come out I suspect we will see T0 of this option for the MOLE and, to a more limited extent, the Prospector

[hollow sedge]

i just want the orion

[upbeat sable]

where can i rent the prospector?

[fierce crater]

https://starcitizen.tools/Prospector

[crimson mantle]

Those type of questions are best answered at https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ 😄

I'm fairly sure the info is datamined, so it will stay up to date

[coarse cape]

dont rent a prospector lol

such a waste of money

[frail roost]

Renting a Prospector is a perfectly viable way to get seed money for trading. Then once you have 200k+, trade until you can buy the Prospector. Then you can outfit it as you wish.

How are mining attachments doing on PTU?

Is there still a way to buy about 50 Surges and keep them around?

[hallow swallow]

Yes I just started on the PTU and was wondering how you handle ship components. If take a quick trip with a 100i get some component for another ship in another location, is there a way to move that component to the location of that other ship?

[polar flame]

nope

[slender geode]

am miner

[teal ridge]

Is it still worth doing drug runs to make serious cash 💸 💰 🤑

If anyone is doing any drug runs later let me know. Looking to learn the ropes and know the locations and sell points etc

[amber terrace]

Jumptown 2.0 event will be drugs + serious cash, until then it's not reliable

[teal ridge]

@amber terrace when is Jumptown 2.0

[amber terrace]

soon ™️ I expect early 2022

before that we should have Nine Tails Lockdown, i'm not sure but here you might be able to do money with medical supplies

i expect these events kinda soon, because for me that's the reason of recent trading refresh hotfix

[hallow swallow]

Anyone tried space mining in the PTU? I get info on both sides now when I scan rocks directly. Just wondering if the new way they are presenting info.

And secondly, when I scan a ping bubble, it doesn't show me the info to determine the number of rocks in that cluster. Anyone have this issue too? I rely on these to make finding quant rocks as efficient as possible.

[heavy nova]

in your second picture your scan strength is at 5%, I dont know much about scanning but I'd think that might be problem

[hallow swallow]

i'll check it out. in 3.14 that didn't matter, as long as you had a signal. Could be something they adjusted. Thanks for pointing it out.

I tried it, when i get closer by the time it reaches 45% signal strength, i'm close enough for the scan to show me rock icons.

[heavy nova]

have you tried narrowing the scan with the mouse wheel?

[hallow swallow]

just tried and same thing. I think it could be a bug, because sometimes the letter w in the 'overview' is cut in half.

[heavy nova]

well I mean it would be logical if you needed a specific percentage for the scan to reveal the rocks

[hallow swallow]

hmm i feel like the point of scanning the bubbles is to get a rough idea of the cluster size of rocks, if interested you go in close to scan the rocks directly.

I haven't seen this reported in council in 3.15. there are issues with scanning gems on the surface too. There was already a ticket for that and added my contribution.

[candid river]

Hang on a second; if the total output of a refinery job is greater than whatever my largest ship can pack at once, I'm SOL for picking up the refinery yield?!

[pallid temple]

Yes

[candid river]

Whoever greenlit that shit

Off to the rentals it is

Maybe in 3.15 you'll be able to transfer it to station inventory? I haven't tried mining in PTU yet

[pallid temple]

No

[jolly adder]

So in 3.15 you can access the ships inventory and drop ore. I am still a noob, but does this now make it so you can filter out all the crappy ores and just take the good stuff?

[terse vine]

Would seem like it, even if you have to ditch it from the vehicle, should be possible.

[hollow sedge]

im useing a prospector any good quant mining spots rn im between cru l1 and arc l3 but it takes me roughly 2hrs to find a rock with atleast 30% quant

[hallow swallow]

are you in 3.14 or 3.15 ptu?

[hollow sedge]

3.14

[hollow sedge]

ofc get back to the staion with that rock i found random game crash wasnt even 30k just black screen randomly in elevator and it says the ship got destroyed so it lost all its components and cargo

[hallow swallow]

in 3.14 it shouldn't take 2 hours to find decent size quant rock

[hollow sedge]

most of the time i find just 5% rocks

[hallow swallow]

from cru L1, travel to arc L3 as you are and come out of QT when the distance reads 12.5 km. around there.

[hollow sedge]

thats where ive been mining

mainly tungsten gold diamond those ones then there are multiple 5% rocks rarely do i find a 30% rock

[hallow swallow]

i don't know maybe the rolls are not going your way. on a low outing i can get maybe 6-12 scu of quant, medium 20 something, on good days i can fill up prospector with quant. I got a mole to try and was able to get 63scu of quant from 2 rocks next to each other!

so the fact that it's taking you 2 hours to find a decent rock is strange to me.

if i find a 15-20% quant rock i'm ok with that and will crack it.

[hollow sedge]

30% quant rocks will give you 20 + scu of

[valid schooner]

If I'm mining with friends how do you hsare the money ?

Like split it up at the end or ?

[sonic laurel]

either agree to an amount of pay or a split. Once you calculate the final earnings you use a calculator and send them their fair portion

[candid river]

Anyone know of good locations for a rented Prospector with a stock head? Quant and big ole rocks aren't really an option so maybe Laranite or something?

[north oyster]

Moons mainly, look for rocks below 6k. You'll not be able to crack high content rocks. The idea is learning the ropes with the rental, not making a lot of aUEC

[candid river]

I mean, I've got to get to the 2mil for the purchased Prospector somehow, but I'm thinking that's best earned other ways

I'll try a few locations and see what's what

[exotic cloak]

Is Arc L3 still good for quantanium in 3.15?

[north oyster]

I've not checked out ARC-L3, I normally drop out of QT in Aaron's Halo when going in that direction

[slender geode]

tbh if u cant equip a lancet on ur rented prospy, might be better of just renting a roc and mining that way

at least that way

u can get the most out of roc mining instead of the least from prospector

[maiden brook]

Where did the mining terminals go in PTU? Not seeing them at any of the refineries. Just a clothing terminal and rental. Sure we can buy the stuff off the walls and shelves.

[hallow swallow]

it's the same terminal

scroll with the mouse cursor over the tabs, it's hidden off to the right.

[maiden brook]

OHHH scroll

[hallow swallow]

yes yes

[maiden brook]

they really need an arrow letting you go over

[hallow swallow]

there is a ticket issued for this problem, and i mentioned this exactly. either someone tells you it's there or you discover it by accident.

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-17235

you can help vote for the fix.

[north oyster]

I contributed to this also

[terse vine]

You can mine in random spots of space?

[north oyster]

Inside Aaron's Halo you can. From CRU-L1 go 11.5m km towards ARC-L3. Kill the QT jump, you'll be in the middle of the belt

[rose apex]

can you mine with anyship or do you need a specific one?

[tame elbow]

Only the prospector and mole can mine large rocks

Some rocks are small enough to be done by hand

You mine small rocks with the mining attachment on the pyro multitool

[candid river]

I struggled with finding ROC minable rocks. As a matter of fakt I only found some when I took it inside a cave but the opening was too narrow to go deeper in, not to mention the danger of doing like Timmy and falling down a well

[terse vine]

Can you mine with the pyro multi-tool when in space?? That would be awesome.

[tame elbow]

Yes

[terse vine]

Ohh wow, that I'm going to try out in 3.15

[hallow swallow]

I never saw this in 3.14. I found gems on asteroids in the PTU.

[marble crater]

cool! never seen that before

[terse vine]

Do you need any specific equipment to yeet yourself of your ship in space?

[worthy scroll]

Just an open door.

[terse vine]

and the helmet on. Yeah that should be fun to try out.

I remember doing the same thing in X4 Foundations, but was splattered on the spinning rock, while being unable to escape its gravity pull 😦

[worthy scroll]

Used to be a somewhat common bug to get glitched out of your ship. That was when you realized that even when you're moving "slow" in a ship, it's still moving frickin fast. Because it would just leave you lol. And when it happened in QT? Ha.

[terse vine]

Quantitively Terrifying.

[worthy scroll]

I've picked up more than a handful of people that happened to. Kind of fun to do it that way instead of backspacing into a respawn.

[terse vine]

It's going to be interesting to see the how well we're going to adapt to the medical gameplay stuff and death consequences, especially mining and trading.

[worthy scroll]

Well, people aren't supposed to die very often. Killing isn't meant to be something that's normally done. We just don't have all the stuff to make it work like that yet.

[terse vine]

There are very few games like that with the option to murder isn't the go to response, I'm intrigued as to what they're going to do to discourage that mind-set.

[safe tree]

Anyone need any workers need to make some money currently have 422 up 😄

[terse vine]

422?

[safe tree]

422 up

Ue

[slender geode]

I mean, roc mining does suck, compared to a prospy. But if u cant get the most out of a prospy, might as well get the most out of a roc.

[frail roost]

It's UEC, fyi. or more accurately, aUEC while the game's in Alpha.

[safe tree]

@frail roost 👍 👍 👍

[lofty dock]

hey guys! I'm trying to get into the mining game loop, and honestly I don't know where to start. Any recommendations?

[sonic laurel]

crack a few rocks by hand to get used to the laser and then try to rent a prospector or hop on someones MOLE

[ember star]

IMO ROC mining is the easiest to learn and get started with

[north oyster]

Finding deposits is an issue though

[keen minnow]

can anybody tell me why tthe cat are out of sale?

i thinking over days about days now ist out

[floral willow]

CIG were doing a Caterpillar green paintjob for ... Halloween? Whatever the in lore event is called. And they were selling the Cat during that promotion, which ended yesterday I think

It'll be available again during IAE in a few weeks, and then be unavailable for a long time

[tardy flower]

Greetings,

In 3.15 Delivery missions have reputation. Can someone telle me how many you can earn for final mission ?
Does delivery missions become a goog way to make money ?

Thanks 😉

[inland lily]

Done at least up to a 40k package collection and redeliver from bunkers in the chain; not sure if there's more after that.

[tardy flower]

40k for several package in different location/same moon ?

[inland lily]

3 package pickup from one bunker location, 3 location drop off. Can't remember whether it was same body, but it certainly wasn't across the star system, and didn't take that long

[tardy flower]

Thank you @inland lily 😉

[inland lily]

Hardest bit was identifying the packages - all the delivery boxes look identical in the bunkers

And there were at least 6 or 7 in there

[tardy flower]

Packages have a serial number ?

[inland lily]

Doesn't show in inner thought though until you get them out of the bunker, but the mission text does tick them off when you grab the right one.

[tardy flower]

Last question for now @inland lily
Delivery have one or multiple reputation ? What are the difference ?

[inland lily]

I just did a repeating series for one company/rep, not sure if there are different ones in each area like the security reps

[mortal kettle]

is stealth broken in 3.15 ptu?
stealth fitted max https://www.erkul.games/loadout/JtxEanQm
default max https://www.erkul.games/loadout/ES0qTEYA

similiar for prospector

[hollow sedge]

Good quant mining spot for a lone prospector?

[mortal kettle]

lyria near mountains, hur L3, aaron halo

getting to aaron halo
https://cornerstonebase.space/login/articles/articles/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes-3-14-0-live-rel1-2

[hollow sedge]

Thank you!

[knotty musk]

Guys wich planet is the best to mine white ROC

[open viper]

@knotty musk can try Aberdeen and Arial

Hadanite is what you are looking for in a ROC for the most part

[atomic lark]

why cant i seem to drop into the asteroid belt anymore, where is it again? i know its not correct on the map

nvm i found it

[hallow swallow]

Behind Aberdeen and Arial, Daymar is also a good place, plus more flat terrain for easier landing. roc mining gems on the side of hills is a pain in the butt.

[fluid sun]

Anyone have trouble aiming with the ROC laser? I can't keep the scan and the laser on the rock at the same time. If I move to put the laser on I can't see the progress/power etc.

[hallow swallow]

because the laser blocks it?

[fluid sun]

No, when I scan the rock I get the power bar etc. If I then turn on the laser it often misses the rock. I then move the laser to hit the rock but then the scanner stops so I don't see the powerbar anymore etc.

[hallow swallow]

3.14 or 3.15?

[fluid sun]

15

Never owned a ROC yet on 14

[verbal onyx]

I went mining with my backpack
Arrived at the station with my inventory filled
Exchange station wouldn't even let me select personal inventory as an option
I unequipped my shit
And reequipped it
But now my backpack inventory wont show
how the hell do i view my backpack inventory again

[hallow swallow]

ROC mining from my experience in 3.15 has been wonky. So when you first start scanning, on the righ the bar white bar will go up and then will give you the info of the gem contents. After that scan is done it will change to the thick bar, with green optimal section, and red danger zone above it. Is this what you are seeing?

[fluid sun]

Yeah, I see that , but often when I then turn on the laser to start charging the rock the laser misses.

So then I move it to hit the rock, but then I lose the scan with the power meter.

[hallow swallow]

you can't aim the arm when the laser is on?

[fluid sun]

I do, but it's like the scanner and the laser have different aim points.

[hallow swallow]

hmm, you should be able to move the arm and it will get back the info. when you aim it at the right spot.

[fluid sun]

Yeah I can but then the laser misses again.

lol

[hallow swallow]

hmm ok one thing is that you may see the outline of the rock, but there could actually be some ground blocking the laser.

but otherwise sorry i'm not sure what's going on. As i said there is some weridness with ROC mining overall in 3.15 that was fine in 3.14. But the scanning with the laser part is something I didn't have any problem with in 3.15.

[fluid sun]

I'll try some more, thanks

[fluid sun]

The laser also looks like it doesn't come straight out of the gun. Comes out at an angle.

[frail roost]

Can you post a screenshot? Just aiming at the ground with the laser on will work.

If the laser’s not lining up with your crosshair, that’s a bug.

[fluid sun]

I'm working, I can tonight. Can you link where to report bugs? I was on an issue council or some such page but wasn't clear to me if that was for PTU or PU etc.

[keen minnow]

where i can find the stampede modul in 3.15

[frail roost]

http://finder.cornerstonebase.space should tell you.

[shell edge]

@fluid sun You report bugs at https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/, and select the correct version you are reporting the bug for when you write the report or contributing to an existing report.

[verbal onyx]

just started cargo running and im not making much money. anything i should do?

[thin escarp]

wait til 3.15

[verbal onyx]

lmao i would rather learn the game now

[hallow swallow]

check the pinned comments at the top, there's some helpful links

[fluid sun]

Wait is there a ROC you can control from the cockpit? I have one that has a second seat on the side but I see videos of ones controlled by the driver.

[manic whale]

Yes, its

Z_s roc

[stark torrent]

Greycat Industrial (GRIN)

ROC

The Greycat ROC (Remote Ore Collector) is a single-seat mining ground vehicle. It is designed to mine larger crystalline mineral nodes that are beyond the reach of a hand tool, but too small for the Prospector or Mole. This single seat vehicle is small enough to be transported in ships such as the Cutlass Black, Freelancer, Mercury Star Runner, and Valkyrie, allowing it to be easily transported around the surfaces of planets and moons.

Role

Mining

Crew

1

Cargo

0.00 SCU

Length

5.00m

Height

3.00m

Beam

3.00m

Mass

3,920 Kg

Combat Speed

N/A

Max Speed

N/A

In-Game Price

172,000 aUEC

Pledge Price

US$55.00

Status

Flight ready

Links

Pledge store · Presentation · Trailer · SC Unpacked · #DPSCalculator · Hardpoint.io

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[fluid sun]

lol that's why mine didn't fit in the cutlass black

[verbal onyx]

is there anything i can do while i wait for a trade terminal to restock

[shell edge]

chat?

🙂

as for your earlier question, have you figured out some profitable runs?

[verbal onyx]

i have indeed

got started and doing well

[shell edge]

Good 🙂

[verbal onyx]

just patiently waiting for the restocks

[shell edge]

just remember to mitigate risk for 30k, and not use all of your wallet 🙂

[verbal onyx]

i just hit max storage with my ship so i wont be using all of it thankfully

[shell edge]

what ship are you using?

[verbal onyx]

rented the avenger titan

[shell edge]

nice little ship

[verbal onyx]

indeed it is

[fluid sun]

does a ROC fit in a titan?

[shell edge]

no

[fluid sun]

aw

[shell edge]

but cutlass black can be rented, and it has space for it

[fluid sun]

i just bought both on ptu, do you know where on lorville you can access your ground vehicles?

[shell edge]

go to the perimeter line

Not space port line

[fluid sun]

makes sense

[shell edge]

then you will get to terminals where you can spawn vehicles

there are several gates around lorville

[verbal onyx]

when i went to the rental place there was only a limited number of ships

does it differ on location or

[shell edge]

yes, it does

and some ships can be rented at the cargo decsk and refinery decks on some stations

decks*

[verbal onyx]

would you recommend a ship for me to rent next