industrial-professions

[lilac hedge]

For sure, the combination of ships that you'd want available to you is limitless. 3 players is all you'd need to operate your own little mining operation in the most efficient way possible.

Ferry 3 prospectors, leave the liberator tucked away somewhere or landed planetside, and have at it

granted, you'd be entirely defenseless, but it would be the highest profit margin

[cedar flower]

so it seems like the first steps of quantum come with 3.16 for 3 products and for the propability volumes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXy8HF1t70&t=4970s

[late mortar]

You can scroll through the category tabs with the mouse wheel and see "utility" which will contain the mining laser heads and modules.

[bright flame]

Yep, I learned about that after I'd gone out and announced the problem to everyone I could find. Lovely thing.

[late mortar]

Yeah, I had to dig a while to find that too, luckily someone had replied to the main Issue Council record with the steps. Now I'm faced with the reality that without the ability to transport mining modules to another station, you end up with a collection of modules specific to a station only available to your inventory at those stations. Aside from the one equipped that is. Ugh.

[north oyster]

Until we can load then in the ship's storage

[bright flame]

I was able to load mining heads and modules into my ship cargo and transport them. It's all the other ship components that can't be moved.

[late mortar]

How did you go about storing them as cargo?

[bright flame]

Buy them at the station, call the ship, go down into the ship, F+Right click->Personal Inventory, then change the top left tab to 'Ship' and then drag/drop heads and modules into Ship inventory. Reverse at home station.

[late mortar]

Thanks @bright flame !

[bright flame]

👍

[north oyster]

This is an important note! Thanks, I figured it was something like that but I had not taken the time to figure it out. Thanks for the quick summary

[gritty pendant]

is it possible to mine minerals with ROC in 3.15?

I guess CIG didn't fix the terrible scan system for ROC miners...

[wintry ruin]

You have to be within 2km for the Roc rocks to show up as unidentified contacts...

I had some luck finding a fly-into-able cave but the the bit I landed at couldn't fit the Roc through to the bit with the gems in so I just got a few on foot and got out tbh

[gritty pendant]

bruh

Currently drive-in cave works only as sinkholes 😩

[bright flame]

3.15 mining with current patch:

Fixed scanner: Excellent
Broken Paralax Scanning: Awful
Ghost Rocks: Still there
ROC mining: Still very broken as much as 3.14

[gritty pendant]

CIG must hate miners who earned huge money🤔

[north oyster]

1k is the distance, I wish it was 2k again

[gritty pendant]

I hope they will be fix those issues until MPUV-1M come

[wintry ruin]

Hence 'fly'in cave

[bright flame]

ROC collection laser acts.. interesting... in 3.15 PTU

[bitter jungle]

Hey. Your rocks are floating

[bright flame]

Orbitting. They just swirl around and around as the laser sucks them up, one at a time. Quite noisy and even jostles the ROC around a bit. Seems to work to get every bit as the cargo went up with each munch. Very weird, though.

[floral prism]

oh lol I hate when that happens

[bright flame]

They aren't exploding outward, like when you overcharge the rock. They're orbiting around the collection laser after the rocks were already broken. It's very weird and I wish I had capture software to take a video.

[floral prism]

now try that in a mountain slope lewl

[vocal chasm]

While we're talking about things that CIG didn't fix: Trading is still broken on the PTU right? 🥲

[cedar flower]

Trading got a hotfix few days ago

You can now fill a Connie Taurus with laranite and sell it easily

[quaint oxide]

Where and what's the best way to mine these days?

[woeful moss]

It should be the same state as current live trading after the recent hotfix that increased trading values

[vocal chasm]

Oh I see nice ^^

[north oyster]

it would be good to submit an IC about this or support one if there is already. Post the link back here so we can contribute to it if you do post one

[north oyster]

In a Prospector? ROC? For Prospector I really like mining in Aaron's Halo (Asteroid belt). A quick way to get there from CRU-L1 is to aim for ARC-L3, QT and the drop out of QT at 11.5M Km from ARC-L3.

[ember star]

Laranite seems to work fine but drugs are still broken

[amber terrace]

can't believe no one posted this already:
TRADING/MINING IN 3.15 SHOULD (CIG ™) BE SAFE FROM 30ks

source:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/alpha-3-15-patch-watch-personal-inventory-amp-i/

[teal wing]

Will probably be some weirdness happening if you get recovered with raw quant in your hold though

[wintry ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-green-slime-the-green-slime-gifs-explosion-space-station-gif-11666301

[amber terrace]

it depends, we could test similar scenario even now: if you activate self-destruct on pad, then die to store ship, will the ship get destroyed? In 3.14 there are also bugs with quant disappearing when storing ship but otherwise I think it stops the timer for volatile cargo.

[wooden nova]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-amazed-explosion-space-omg-gif-10279314

[valid roost]

So how many SCU did the ole Taurus end up with?

[crimson mantle]

I believe 174

[coarse cape]

Yeah 174

[tepid hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRoc-cIY108

It's finally over, we won against the 30k's

[hot marlin]

How much is 32 scu if hadanite worth

[rancid egret]

what is 30k?

[coarse cape]

error 30000. basically you and the other people lose connection to the server and it crashes. The server can also lose connection to the server room and shutdown

and when that happens in previous patches you would 99% of the time lose all your cargo and respawn at the last station you called atc at and you would reclaim your ship

[rancid egret]

ah, dayum. glad thats fixed

[coarse cape]

yeah

[spare flint]

You know what kinda loop hole that makes tho

Imagine you are getting chased

For that cargo

boom Pull the internet plug and 30k

your shits safe

[marble crater]

not sure what the devs will do to counter logging

[oak lake]

It seemed more to me to be something that activates with a server crash, not a client side thing with any 30k

[spare flint]

I mean I hope they got something in place

[teal wing]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they distinguished between server issues and client disconnection

[marble crater]

does simply logging out to the menu and relogging put you back in the same spot with your cargo intact?

[blissful oxide]

They specified the recovery is specific to server crash
So the only way to abuse it would be to provock server crash

[pale crane]

Getting chased with a load of drugs in cargo hold
Activate ddos

[thorny copper]

[woeful moss]

You'd have to go to the server the pu is running on and pull the internet plug there. Good luck

[woeful moss]

This would be possible. If there's no sort of ddos mitigation running. But in the long term it would also be hurting development. So whoever does this wouldn't want the game to ever release xD

[woeful moss]

It should afaik

[woeful moss]

Yeah in the spectrum post it specifically says:

[marble crater]

so if you're being pirated while trading could you just log out to menu instead a causing a 30k through disconnecting?

[waxen sail]

just logging out will not work

[marble crater]

you lose your cargo on log out?

[waxen sail]

yes, just like it is now, you will spawn and have to claim your ship

unless you log out in your bed

in your ship

[marble crater]

ahh ok so bed logging can be a thing then?

[waxen sail]

it can and it is

but there are issues with it, i hope they fix them in 3.15

[regal sedge]

Hello

I can’t find any good rocks

Went near HUR L3 then on Lyria’s surface

Found a 3% QT rock in 2 hours

[wintry ruin]

Buy a Lancet lazor
Fly to Crusader L1, land to set it as your respawn just in case
Point at Arc L3 and begin QT
Drop out of QT when you're 11.5milion km from Arc L3
Scan
Find Quant Rocks
Eat them whole
Fly back to Cru L1
???
Profffffits

[blissful oxide]

nop, because your ship doesn't despawn the moment you disconnect
It stays there a few minutes, so the pirate will just destroy it

[marble crater]

ahh ok cool ty, was wondering what happens with logging and pirate gameplay. Used to Elite where it sets off a timer if you try to log out

[north oyster]

Maybe when you revive from a 30k, you can retrieve your ship and then go straight to the refinery.

[spare flint]

Time to find my way to AWS

[blissful oxide]

Did someone tried drugs ?
Is it worth ?
Is it hard to buy or to sell ? Or both ?

[ember star]

It's not. You can only sell 500 units at a time.. Not SCU.. Units

I've been selling 10 SCUs for an hour now lmao

[blissful oxide]

yeah, so selling problem 😦

[ember star]

Yep

I'm finally at my last 487 units

and only made 100k

So maybe if you stock up on 500 units of each drug and fly around the system it's worth it

[blissful oxide]

I wished the problem was buying
So later on we'll need to get into Pyro to buy
Then try to comeback stealthy without jumpoint in order to not get caught by police
Then sell "easily" on Stanton

[ember star]

Actually, that might be the way to go. Stock up on 500 units of each kind of drug and make multiple stops

[blissful oxide]

probably gonna try that then, thanks

[ember star]

231 units left

[hot marlin]

When I’m refining I set it so it stores in my star lifter and where do I go sell it when it’s full

[north oyster]

TDD of Area18 or New Babbage or CBD of Lorville

If you are near MicroTech you can land outside the Commons and run to the TDD. But landing at a zone is safer because you won't loose your cargo if server 30k's on you.

I normally run to A18 as a rule because I just hate Hurston Lorville

[hot marlin]

Okay thanks one more question i can log off and still have the cargo stored in my ship as long as my ship is stored right?

[north oyster]

Yes, infact, if all you've done is transfer the cargo to the ship at the refinery, the ship is now at the refinery and it is in a stowed position until you spawn it on the pad. It is 30k proof in that position (buy maybe not "Bug proof"). I normally do not move any cargo to my ship until I am ready to go trade. You can keep it in the refinery que for as long as you want (but it will get wiped on a patch update, as a rule).

[wintry ruin]

Or a character reset

[hot marlin]

Cool thanks bro

[hot marlin]

What is the best ore to mine and where can I find it

That’s not quantanium

[wintry ruin]

Off the top of my head: Bexalite, Borase, Hephistanite and Larinate... And while there's probably a few better places you can find it in the asteroid belt again.

I might try finding another station though because the Cru L1 is favoured by Quant miners as it has a bonus to that yield.

[hot marlin]

when im refining do i have to wait for my order to finish or can i just go right back out and keep mining?

[wintry ruin]

Go out there again

Try and math up to whatever ship you use as a cargo haulers maximum capacity and keep that much ore refined and then haul it all to sell in one go

[hallow swallow]

Hi guys. Question. Considering the time limitations of collecting and transporting Quant, will I be able to mine more in an argo mole compared to a prospector? Or will the Mole be more suitable for less volatile ore (essentially quantity over quality). I haven't used one yet but I have a doubt that you can fill up a Mole with quant in good time. This is regarding solo play only.

[devout thistle]

you can hold more ore i'm p sure, but it all comes down to how you plan it and how quick you are mining

find the fattest rock or two rocks and mark them, then saw them down to their smallest forms before they start ticking

and collect one, then the other

unless you're looking for a quick payday, always bring delivery boxes and mark one big quant rock and then go secure another so you can maximize ore gain

[shell maple]

This ^^ the half hidden benefit of 3x the holding capacity, is if you have scoop chunks that are 50% quant, you don't have to go around checking you get all the 100%s first, wasting time scanning them all as you scoop, I generally just scoop everything I broke so long as I know the argo can easily hold what I'm breaking. Giving you that extra time if you've broke more than one rock

[wintry ruin]

Mole has three times the capacity of the Prospector but while you can easily hit that limit with normal ore using one person running between a couple turrets and the bridge, you'll probably blow up if you try to do it with Quant because of the time limit, you really need two people minimum, ideally four for most efficiency. If you've got a full crew, using it for quant shouldn't be an issue and even with a four way split you'll soon be rolling in it.

[hallow swallow]

@wintry ruin cool cool. That confirms my suspicions.

[solemn hollow]

how do you mine in the prospector

pls

[north oyster]

If you don't own one, then you can learn all the mechanics by renting one. Renting won't earn you much money because the laser on it is pathetic and can't crack higher value ore. A 24 hr rental should allow you to learn all the basics of the gameplay loop.

There are two stages of mining: 1. "Cracking" the ore down to smaller levels. You break the ore down, then you see "orange" outline. This means it needs to be broken again. When it is harvestable you will see a purple outline. 2. Collecting the ore you switch your laser from "Mining" to "Extraction" mode.

[grim breach]

Hey guys which one of the clusters is the best for mining

[north oyster]

Here is a guilde that will help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al97C_VdFUE

[north oyster]

"Clusters" do you mean the type of Ore?

[grim breach]

No, which one of the 'HUR L1, MIC L1 etc" is the best one for mining

[north oyster]

Most anywhere in Aaron's Halo is good. I get it by starting at CRU-L1 and aiming for ARC-L3. You go 11.5M km and then drop out of QT

[grim breach]

ah ok

i tried that once but didnt find any asteroids

[north oyster]

The you didn't drop out at the right spot. Here is a guide:

[solemn hollow]

Ik how to mine

[grim breach]

Thankss

[solemn hollow]

Bu[ idk how to actually mine with prospector

[north oyster]

I'm not sure I follow your question then

[solemn hollow]

How do you do the act

Theres a pilot seat which I can drive in

Wheres the drill seat

[grim breach]

i just accidentally jumped out of my prospector in QT rip

[solemn hollow]

Idk how mine in a prospector

[grim breach]

press m

find a good rock with good amount of material+

then start mining

[solemn hollow]

Ohhhhhhh

Riiiight

Thanks

[grim breach]

np

then after you split the asteroids in good pieces press right mouse button to change to collection mode

when i first started i aimed for the rocks with the most less amount of NERT materials

[solemn hollow]

Ik

Thx tho

[grim breach]

which is the best material to mine tho

[blissful oxide]

Quantanium is best, but also the hardest

[grim breach]

ah ok

i have a lot of condium and diamond with me rn

[hallow swallow]

These videos helped me figure out how to mine and refine, but feel like between the travel time, seeking suitable rocks, dealing with bugged out rocks. I just can't see how, for me personally, it's possible to earn over 1mil in an hour. I would say max 650k max for 1 hour of work, with the results coming a day and a half later.

to be hair I haven't watched this specific video and I only do quant mining.

[north oyster]

It's all a pot shot anyway because there is a fair amount of random results.

[hallow swallow]

with some roc mining when i want to change it up.

[north oyster]

If ROC mining gets restored, then I'll be a happy earner

[hallow swallow]

i watched a video recently, let me find it, by loud guns(?), and he gave some excellent tips. I've had to successful hadanite trips recently on aberdeen.

[north oyster]

Please do, I'd like to see that

[hallow swallow]

mined and fully loaded roc

his method of searching for them actually works well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVMbZsk_IdU&t=39s

[north oyster]

The PING limitation is really the deal breaker. Then add the excessive wear on components along with the laser failing, all that equals "let her be" awhile

[hallow swallow]

what i found out was that I was moving too slowly. it's about pinging constantly but also moving large distances. go around a speed of 300, this will minimize the ping scanning the same area. it does mean that you have to focus on the ping hits and quickly recognize the gems.

now i feel like when i want to roc mine, i am confident i can find hadanite. at the dense places of course. Eg Aberdeen, Arial, Daymar.

[hallow swallow]

Quantanium is the best then follow in this order, BexTBLA. Not my idea, saw it in a vid. Bexalite, Taranite, Borase, Laranite, Agricium

[north oyster]

Borase, as a rule, is trash because it breaks apart awfully.

[hallow swallow]

I did notice they were found on highly unstable rocks, mostly i don't bother because the effort to selling price wasn't worth it for me.

[lilac hedge]

Anyone think the BMM looks like something out of final fantasy?

[pliant matrix]

Banu ships could be add in either Final fantasy or even Star Wars without a problem tbh

[lilac hedge]

Gorgeous ship

I think it's going to be the highest capacity cargo ship that you'd want in unsecured space

[pliant matrix]

I loved having defender for almost a year as main ship

[lilac hedge]

Only thing about the BMM is that it'll be a pain in the ass to offload a full load of cargo, so it might actually not be the ship you'd want for short-haul journeys

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, it might be a real pain to load/offload

But well, atleast when it will be loaded, it will be well secured 😅

[solemn hollow]

im trying to mine an asteroid but its not letting me

[lilac hedge]

Harder to load and offload means it'll be hard to pirate

You're probably better off stealing the whole ship

[blissful oxide]

To incapacitate it, you'd need to destroy his engine
Harder to steal a ship that can't move :/

[lilac hedge]

Exactly. Piracy of those massive freighters is going to be a very complicated endevour

Safest way would probably be to bring a shit load of SRVs with you and tow the whole ship somewhere cozy to take your time looting

[blissful oxide]

Will be very fun though 😄

[lilac hedge]

oh for sure

Will give me lots to do as a marine

[solemn hollow]

how do you do cargo

is there like a webste that tells you what is good to buy and sell?

[floral willow]

You get journal notifications you can use as indicators of "buy here, sell there", that update as the game progresses

You can also use sites like UEX and SC Trades

https://uexcorp.space/
https://sc-trade.tools/

[blissful oxide]

I hope in long term everything will be like commidities alert
like:
shop has Big stock = low price to buy/sell
shop has Low stock = big price to buy/sell

[solemn hollow]

supply and demand

[wintry ruin]

Just bring a bigger ship that can fit the freighter

[wintry ruin]

https://sc-trade.tools/mining
Given the fact Trade was broken until recently this is a touch out of date in some areas but still overall good.

[frozen harness]

Misc freelancer or should I just mine?

[lilac hedge]

LOL like the Retribution?

A Vanduul Kingship, maybe?

Shove the BMM in there

gobble it up

[solemn hollow]

thx

[chrome cloak]

They're reverting the 400i, no more ROC for now

Maybe with 3.16 when they add the ramps that can adjust

[lilac hedge]

Prehaps

i mean, the Q&A explicitly says it was designed for the X1 and only the X1

anything else is a bonus

[teal wing]

400i with a dropped suspension, pretty baller tbh

[bold finch]

Everyone wants their lowrida 400i

[solemn hollow]

woooo

27 wantanium

27.75 quantanium

but 9 mins left

[north oyster]

Did a short run to Wala in the Freelancer MAX. Grabbed a 120 SCU of Laranite and jumped to A18. 75K aUEC profit. Not a bad run. Risk was 300K aUEC but that won't be a factor when 3.15 comes out.

[north oyster]

did you make it?

[solemn hollow]

Yus

[crimson mantle]

Out of date? I datamine straight from the game's files 😄
I'd be curious to know where you found it to be inaccurate.

[wintry ruin]

Huh strange. Also you said you were waiting till the cargo refractor to do major work in it

[waxen sail]

Getting a reclaimer and salvaging a ship with the crew still inside is my dream. Just keep on going until they surrender.

[fathom silo]

Hmm how is it looking for drug-trading 🤩🤩

[grim kernel]

hello 🙂 any thoughts on having 3 cargo ships to solve or largely alleviate the cargo loading timer ?

[woeful moss]

What loading timer do you mean?

[grim kernel]

@woeful moss loading timer that will be implemented in the future so that the cargo can't be instantly loaded into the ship anymore but would take time

[wintry ruin]

I think if you have three ships you're going to triple your loading times...

You should be able to hire NPC's to do it though so if you got a spare ship, you can take that out while the NPC's bumble around

[hallow swallow]

Hi. I'd like some thoughts. After the wipe. Which would you prefer. Quant mining with a prospector? Or cutlass black plus roc?

[north oyster]

Both are viable and I have both as an option after the wipe (Except I've CCU'd my cutty to the MAX, much better for ROC transport). The only considerations is that you will need to purchase the Lancet, though it isn't expensive, it is an expense. The ROC can earn straight stock config. The issue with ROC is that the PING really sucks so it will take a bit longer to fill her up (but we won't have to worry about 30k's and loosing all the hadanite). ROC/Cutty is a cheaper start, plus the cutty can be used for small trades and also deliveries. Then when you buy a Prospector in-game, the cutty can be used to transport refined ore to market.

Also, with the Prospector, you have to have another ship for cargo transport.

[hallow swallow]

You're right about needing transportation with the prospector. So you actually use the ping on the ROC? Normally I just take it out after I found a deposit while flying around in the ship.

[north oyster]

No, "Ping" in general in the game

[hallow swallow]

Ah ok

[north oyster]

I only unload/mine/load the ROC, all ping is done from the ship. Unless I'm near multiple deposits that are within a reasonable range.

[hallow swallow]

I think ROC+cutty (or max) can net more consistent earnings at the beginning compared to a prospector. As you said you do need extra expenses for the mining head and transportation

[crimson mantle]

It depends if you have other ships or not. A prospector alone locks you into mining, but a cutlass/freelancer can let you dabble in other things.

[north oyster]

Agreed, if having to make a choice, the Prospector option should be "Stage 2" or something to be reached. As to when first starting out, like SC Trade said, the Cutty/FL combo with ROC offers many more opportunities for game play.

[hallow swallow]

It would be after the wipe so I'm assuming I would only have the ships/vehicles I've pledged for. Everything else would be gone.

[crimson mantle]

Correct

But the ROC is dirt cheap, might as well count on it

[north oyster]

I do own a ROC (backup LTI Token), so that factors into my plans of rebuilding

[slim atlas]

The good ol pledge economic stimulus

I dont think folks will understand how much that is gonna help at launch

[north oyster]

I'm sort of excited about starting all over again. Did once, can do it again 🙂

[slim atlas]

I am too esp since cargo should be a decent time now

[wooden nova]

I wonder when they'll be adding a Map or GPS system in vehicles.
If they did, a ROC would be all you need to start your mining career

[slim atlas]

I dont think they will unless they do a scanning ship that stays in orbit for you

[wooden nova]

I remember them showing (or saying) that ground vehicles would have a map.. or at least a GPS.

[grim kernel]

you sure about tripling it ? i mean in my mind it's ship 1 go to point A and buy cargo then at that point i take ship 2 to point B and buy cargo again and take ship 3 which is at point B and go back to point A to again buy cargo but then i would take ship 1 there which would have the cargo loaded in it by then and i repeat the process ?

[wintry ruin]

Assuming you stop to unload it then yea
If the NPC's are doing it for you then you can leave them to it and go elsewhere

[grim kernel]

well what we dont know is the time it would take to load it otherwise there could be a waypoint to converge the time to move from point A to point B and the time to load said ship/ships

this can definitely be possible with the new star systems the thing is if it's worth doing it or not VS the amount of money it would bring

[wintry ruin]

I'm not sure what you mean?

[woeful moss]

Isn't it easier to have org slaves do it?

[wintry ruin]

Yes, but that ship will still be stuck there. You'd need another ship to take off elsewhere.

[grim kernel]

if it take say 20min to load the cargo in point A and lets say 17min to go from point A to point B then well yeah you get the idea ^^

yes that's why i said having 3 cargo ships

[wintry ruin]

I'd bring a craft with a QT capable snub fighter for the A > B leg and just take that back to pick up the first craft as it's being unloaded

[grim kernel]

oh damn i completely have forgotten about the unloading timer too xD

[crimson mantle]

They better make the whole timer mechanic engaging in some way. If it's just a "wait around" time I don't see how it can be fun.

It will even reduce the traffic for pirates.

Time will tell! 😄

[wooden nova]

immersion my guy

[wintry ruin]

I'm going to get through a few books either way...

And they better let us play Snake and the like on the MFD's on the bridge when we're on the graveyard watch and the Skipper's kipping in his cabin while in transit.

[strange raven]

When is next sale?

[main ore]

Hey @crimson mantle, not sure if you've said it yet but have you updated the website since the stock refresh buff?

no rush just wondering 😁

[crimson mantle]

Oh yes, all updated

(Technically the data didn't change: it now behaves the way it should 😄 )

[lilac hedge]

was the cargo refactor ever on the release view?

[north oyster]

Yes, the cargo refactor was about a year long process

It was on the road map, iir

[neon shard]

lol just lost like 350k to 30k just moments from lorville, hopefully the last such case with the new mechanics

[north oyster]

Hopefully it will be in one of the PTU builds this week

[worthy pike]

So I took my new roc out today and in an hour I found no mineables. The scanner showed the large rocks I'd normally target with my prospector but obviously didn't work. Am I doing something wrong? Clearly I am. Lol

[hallow swallow]

Choose a heading. Then start moving in a straight line at about 250/300 speed and keep pinging. look our for cube ping hits below or around 1km away. Fly low, around 1k, a little higher is fine. You will get a lot of ping hits so it might take a little time to train your eyes to spot the symbol you want. You can fly a little slower if you want to get used to it. Once you see the hit you want, break immediately and head turn towards it, at speed you will most likely fly past it.

What moon were you on? I believe there are only a handful of moons that are worth looking for the most valuable roc stones, which is hadanite.

[sonic laurel]

Is Arial still the goat for hadanite?

[hallow swallow]

I find aberdeen to be a little better overall

more consisten hadanite finds

[sonic laurel]

do cave on other planets have more hadanite than the surface?

like Microtech for example? I really want to mine out some flyable caves.

[hallow swallow]

i hope someone can chime in on that. i've never tried flying into caves. sounds kind of cool.

[main grove]

Reminds me of Airwolf. Entering and exiting caves

[marble crater]

only flown into caves to do fps mining in something like a Hawk/300i. not sure you'll be able to drive a ROC around in there with the terrain

[main grove]

The one on Microtech you can

[marble crater]

the ROC is ok for mining the tiny rocks?

didn't think a Cutty Black would fit in a cave

[hallow swallow]

i watched a video where they flew in a valkyrie

cutty black will definitely fit

[marble crater]

hmm must be a specific one then. most of the ones I checked out even a Reliant Tana was tight

only done it around 15 times though so there's heaps I haven't seen

[hallow swallow]

so in your case you flew in, then did hand mining?

[marble crater]

yah the caves I went to you couldn't get to the bottom by foot. was around a 150 metre descent into a big hole

I kinda got hooked on it as it's super fun

there's alot of crawling through tunnels to get to the next sections in the caves though so no idea how a ROC would work

[vast summit]

Be interesting to see what they add to the caves in the way of loot with 3.15.

[spiral birch]

Hello everyone!
I'm coming to you today to ask you for some advice.
In the game I am a transporter and I must admit that after many months of research, I still can't find a profitable trade route. I have almost no money left, so I'm desperately asking you if anyone has a profitable trade route. I know that often players don't reveal theirs routes but I appeal to the solidarity of the star citizen players.

Thanks and see you in the 'verse!

[strange raven]

https://www.gallog.co/

I usually take Agricium from moons around Area18 and sell it at NewBabage and take medical supplies back to Area18

Make sure you are selling at Loreville, NewBabage or Area18

[crimson mantle]

Check the bottom of https://sc-trade.tools/deposits/Hadanite
It's Aberdeen and Arial by quite a margin 😄 (This is only for surface rocks)

[crimson mantle]

You can give a shot to https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes as well. If you have a big ship, don't forget to add a "refresh rate" filter (~33-50% of the ship's total) to only trade in abundant commodities. https://i.imgur.com/3XNgXCy.png

[spiral birch]

Thank you all, I'll look into these sites.
See you in the verse'

[mortal kettle]

how is the c2 vs the cat? c2 holds more but how are flight characteristics? which is better in atmo/landing?

[crimson mantle]

The C2 handles much better:

• https://scunpacked.com/ships/crus_starlifter_c2
• https://scunpacked.com/ships/drak_caterpillar

It takes a bit to learn to land without face planting though 🙂

[mortal kettle]

thanks, ill save for c2 then next patch

pledge ships gladius, nomad, freelancer, plan is buy with auec roc, prospector, taurus, mole, c2 in order

or is trading better than mining with new refresh rates? should i get taurus before prospector and do trading instead?

[crimson mantle]

I can't say in terms of $/hr, but they are very different gameplay to begin with.

[mortal kettle]

i wish they would fix the bugged asteroids.
mining is lots of flying around pinging
i guess more interesting than sitting in quantum.
but landing / taking off is fun too when not in quantum. and walking around city to get to tdd

[crimson mantle]

At least the 30k recovery, if it makes it, will remove a lot of the wasted time of mining and risk of trading

[mortal kettle]

i hope so. how bad is the bug where mined cargo can empty it mentions in ptu known bugs?

often?

[crimson mantle]

No idea 😄

But it may be fixed before release

[mortal kettle]

cool

[cedar flower]

I actually prefer sitting in quantum doing long hauls than aimlessly flying through a asteroid field trying to find smth

The fun in hauling for me is landing and taking off and navigating.

And with cargo refactor loading

[mortal kettle]

yeah, i like the landing and taking off part

same reason i like box missions, but i dont do those to make money

[vocal lichen]

Anyone prospect mining and need a hand, dm me

[wintry ruin]

Prospector's solo

[lilac hedge]

We better start seeing some cargo refactor in this next season of ISC

[north oyster]

I did a small laranite run from Wala to A18 and cleared 70k aUEC in a MAX

[fathom silo]

What would be a good amount of auec to go with when runningyour first Caterpillar trading run?

[thorny copper]

depends on what you buy but probably around 3-500k at the very least, for higher value commodities you'll need upwards of 1-2mil or more

[true mica]

is there a good site to help with trade or do i just have to guess?

[coarse cape]

@true mica https://sc-trade.tools/home

i liked using this one when trading wasnt borked

but since its fixed ill prob use it again

[true mica]

ok thanks

[modern remnant]

How is it borked?

[coarse cape]

it used to be before the hot fix since every shop had linked inventories

so when a server crashed the system thought all the items in the shop were bought and nothing would be there, and some places had no demand for anything

[worthy pike]

@hallow swallow that's where I went wrong- I landed and was driving the roc and scanning lol

[main ore]

why are the mining precentages so weird

what is 524.93%?

[sonic laurel]

5.24 probably

move the decimal two to the right and round

left

I mean left

[main ore]

ok thanks

lol, to the right

50000% quantanium!!!

[sonic laurel]

all the quant

[wintry ruin]

But that doesn't take into account the inert mats, however once you break it down you might get pure 100% quant rocks and three or four of those will fill a prospector quite nicely.

[sonic laurel]

5% quant is awful

never settle for less than 20%

[wintry ruin]

I've spent 20 mins or more searching for higher percentages and they're nice when they come up but frankly, after ten/fifteen minutes I'm wasting time. Often I do get lucky with the breaks on what started out as 5% or so and wind up with some juicy chunks of 80% extractables up to 100% that fill the tank to capacity.

[north oyster]

I normally, if I have a bad roll and the server hates me, will begin to mine other valuable ore. Normally when I have about 60% of misc ore, that's when I find the 40% Quantainium rock

[sonic laurel]

if I see significant laranite or bex I will mine them and then "top off" with quant

[north oyster]

Bingo

Makes for a good haul every time, even if it's not top dollar

[wintry ruin]

This happened when I straight up couldn't find any quant a few times. I was like "Sod it, I just passed a 30% Hep, 60% laranite rock" or something very juicy

Like it was just two tasty ores and a bit of inert. Before I started Quant mining I'd have been very excited to find that.

[sonic laurel]

on lyria I found a 49% quant rock right next to a 37% quant rock

[north oyster]

Two ores I never mine any longer it's hep and borase, I've never had them break good for me

After the great reset I'll need to earn enough to equip the Prospector. So deliveries, ROC mining and maybe a few low end bounties. Once I can mine, I'll build enough aUEC to begin trade. But we all must remember that the cleanliness of theory is no match for the messiness of reality, especially in Star citizen

[simple hawk]

is the glitching on the hud when I do mining a part of the game now?

[wintry ruin]

What glitching?

[simple hawk]

the pixels on the hud thing that comes and goees when in mining mode

nno its not my pc....

[wintry ruin]

Multi-tool or ship? Either way I've not had issues with anything on the HUD coming or going except in the Connie's, and then not even this update... they just go blurry

[sonic laurel]

I'm going to pistol some fools and collect loot boxes. armor up and then buy a ROC and go roc mining

[simple hawk]

in prospector 3.15 PTU

[wintry ruin]

Before someone pistols your fool aase, collects your loot boxes, armours up, buys a ROC and goes ROC mining, thus continuing the cycle.

[north oyster]

No, there has been some glitching and blooming of the HUDs

[north oyster]

Sounds like the perfect plan

[simple hawk]

ok .. thx

[wintry ruin]

Asking in #4-8-0-live normally might be better as I think they're specifically for PTU but Tripper here seems to know all things Industrial XD

[sonic laurel]

I'm mining in cave to stay safe

[north oyster]

This PTU is pretty rough, way more so than 3.14

[simple hawk]

that is true, its a new game now ;D

[wintry ruin]

That just means you only got one way out.

[north oyster]

🤣

Or like me and get stuck

[sonic laurel]

that means only one entrance to concentrate fire on

[north oyster]

Caves love me, so much that they never let me leave

[ruby rock]

What's the highest SCU ship under 90 $/€ ?

[sonic laurel]

Nomad

wait. it's 95$ if you are buying a gamepackage though

[wintry ruin]

Flew a Connie into a vertical drop cave on Microtech the other day, level with VTOL on and everything, high beams sweeping around 'till I found a ledge, it felt wonderful.

[ruby rock]

I have a mustang game package already upgraded to 300i. Wanted to try some cargo next patch without spending more than 30€

[wintry ruin]

Then on the way out, still in the cave, I tipped her back, balanced her on her plume and just rocketed upwawrds. I wish we could leave scorch marks behind us... that way the hangers at Lorvil would know my displeasure every time I leave.

[sonic laurel]

are you just buying the ship or upgrading your 300i?

[north oyster]

I do need to visit the new caves, they were too popular when they first came out, so they were crowded and a death trap

[sonic laurel]

if you are upgrading I think the Max

[ruby rock]

upgrading

upgrading to nomad is 22€, freelancer is 55€

[sonic laurel]

okay. Nomad for sure

cutty black maybe

if you don't mind stretching

[ruby rock]

what's SCU of nomad and cutty?

[sonic laurel]

24 and 42

both can also bounty and both can haul land vehicles

[ruby rock]

shit that's a lot more, but it's double the upgrade price

22€ vs 44€

[sonic laurel]

nomad is my favorite ship in game

[north oyster]

I have many hours in the MAX, I finally upgraded my Cutty to a MAX for this reset

120 SCU and super easy RORO for the ROC

Cutlass Black is still the best entry level "Swiss Army Knife" of the game though

[sonic laurel]

nomad

[north oyster]

Good at everything, great at nothing

[sonic laurel]

because price

honestly hauling in anything less than a Max is a super waste of time. buy a nomad and do things till you can buy a Max in game

[wintry ruin]

Except going pop

[north oyster]

I don't live for a space crap, it matters not, LOL

[ruby rock]

how much is a freelancer and a freelancer max in-game aUEC?

[north oyster]

The MAX or the Taurus is when you get into serious game play in SC

[sonic laurel]

the max in game is 2 mil-ish

[wintry ruin]

Also feel of it. I can't remember if the Cutty has beds or not at this point but it's all just... ehh. Bare minimum.

Nomad I actually wouldn't mind living in, it's a nice interior.

[sonic laurel]

I believe

[sonic laurel]

cutty has two beds but no toilet

[wintry ruin]

I thought it did have a crapper

[sonic laurel]

the red does

[wintry ruin]

Either way the interior is just as fugly as the outside

[ruby rock]

By that mentality I could keep my 300i and grind with that until I can buy a freelancer. But I'd like to change ship as I've had this for 2 year

without paying a lot

[wintry ruin]

And i'd save my cash and go for a connie of some kind. It hauls good, it takes hits, and it gives hits

[north oyster]

FL 1.7M, MAX 2.1 (rough est)

I have that beautiful $10 CCU from MAX to Taurus if I ever want to upgrade that path

Love the 300 series, and my 325a will be good for entry level bounties and deliveries

[ruby rock]

anyone got a link to the ship sheet excel with all the cargo stuff and details?

[north oyster]

Not a spreadsheet but you can sort by Cargo, etc is https://www.erkul.games/

[wintry ruin]

It's about the only damned thing missing from Erkul's spreaadsheet

[north oyster]

Cargo is? dang, let me go look

[wintry ruin]

I know right? You'd figure it'd be in there

It shows up on each ships page, but you can't compare them in the sheet

[sonic laurel]

nomad is just better

[north oyster]

crap!! you're right

We need to ask him to add that

[ruby rock]

when was the 300i buffed to 10 scu?

as it says on that site

[wintry ruin]

Also there's a first time for everything XD

[ruby rock]

or is the site wrong?

[north oyster]

that is probably a blend of cargo and personal storage

[wintry ruin]

It's datamined from the games files directly I believe so if the site's wrong, the game's wrong 🤣

Yea that might be taken into consideration. The Connie Tarus has an extra cargo bay for smuggling, not sure how that'll work out

[north oyster]

All ships will now have some sort of personal inventory storage SCU, but now in pico

[ruby rock]

it also says the 315p has 14scu, while it only has 12 in reality. Must be something wonky going on there

[north oyster]

The C2 was like that, it showed more storage than what was on the books

It's the personal storage that is coming in 3.15

[wintry ruin]

I'm keeping a Pico the Penguin in the nose storage on the Sabre. At least until they let us bungie cord them to the nose itself.

[north oyster]

OUR "wonder bag" of infinite storage is going away

[wintry ruin]

No more hammer space.

[sonic laurel]

but I like hammer space...

[north oyster]

I like trains

[wintry ruin]

Honestly I'm glad, it'll be less of a bother running back to the station to pick up something I've forgotten than scrolling for months through half the armour and weapons and ammo in the game just to find the one thing I want that I bought five minutes ago...

Then doing the same for every one of the dozen entries on my ammo storage

[north oyster]

Well, it is going to be a rough adjustment, that is one thing I think I can predict

[sonic laurel]

I can't wait to stuff my nomad with bullets and instant noodles and soda

[north oyster]

They're taking @wintry ruin 's hammer and breaking everything apart

[wintry ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-prog-devs-pdmeme-hammer-ban-revan-gif-13710083

[vast summit]

Wondering how that is going to work for older ships that lack functional lockers.

[north oyster]

There will be a storage, T-0 we won't use the actual lockers

[vast summit]

Gotcha, cause yeah, they got a lot of work to do before thats viable lol.

[loud bobcat]

Well, there are ships like the gladius which have small storage holds built into the Hull itself. I imagine that will happen to most ships without dedicated item storage in them.

[steel zenith]

Anybody know the best places on Aberdeen to find Hadanite? I've been flying around with my Constellation Taurus and a ROC for at least an hour now and I've only found 2 rocks.

[woeful moss]

Yeah from the way they explained it in an isc, they said those small storage compartments are the ship inventory. Cargo is different etc.

Like if your ship as has drawers or compartments for things they're that inventory now. Hence not so much space as the cargo hold

[north oyster]

ROC mining is "Broken" for all intents and purposes because of the PING issue. The Ping use to allow us to locate ROC deposits up to about 2200 meters, now it is 1,000 meters (or less). We also have to deal with all the noise from large deposits over 15k away. So as you fly, you have to look for pings that are under 1K. We need to continue to contribute or create Issue Council tickets about this problem.

You haven't done anything wrong, it's just that messed up. Originally when 3.14 was in PTU, this problem was listed as a "Known Issue" but CIG never did anything about it

[split crest]

what's a good planet to do hand mining on and what armour should i wear when doing it? Novikov? I usually wear the mining helmet and torso for the aesthetics with light limb armour

[north oyster]

I don't do much hand mining, but Caves are what you are looking for.

[split crest]

yeah i know that much, does it matter what planet?

or do i just go to any

[north oyster]

Not really. I know for Hadanite (as a rule) that Aberdeen and Arial are great for those. The Pembroke armor (can get at Refinery store) is best for those hot environments

[split crest]

last time i tried hand mining i was unable to sell it iirc so idk what i was doing wrong

i was at a trade terminal

[north oyster]

Regular terminals in Admin offices or on outpost should work for you

I did hear once that if selling off of personal inventory didn't work, then you would need to make a box and sell it from the ship

[split crest]

right

[north oyster]

ok, time to head to work 😦

[split crest]

oof

[north oyster]

have fun

[undone socket]

has loot at derelict sites been implimented yet on ptu?

[wintry ruin]

I wanna raid that downed Jav

[undone socket]

has it been implimented or not yet?

[north oyster]

Not really. They need to polish the loot system, it's still not implemented. You can loot players but I don't think you can sell the loot yet

[blissful oxide]

Any idea of how much the BMM will possibly cost during the IAE ?

[north oyster]

Of gracious, I don't recall but I think in the $500 USD range

[waxen sail]

nah its gonna go up in price, noone knows how much, anywhere between 700-1000 is my guess

[waxen sail]

you planning to buy one? 😁

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, I'd like to upgrade my M2 into a BMM
But damn, the price could be 1200 I wouldn't even be suprised...
I hope it stay below 800 at IAE, then maybe increase in price later on until release x)
But that would be too good 😅

[waxen sail]

I bought a BMM last time it was on sale so I'm pretty 😊

[hallow swallow]

hi guys, i'm in a bit of a pickle. I filled up a ROC. Now if I drive it into my cutty red forward, I can get into the ship. Now i'm thinking I can get out to sell my ores, but I won't be able to get in again! Can I take my ROC out of the cutty and still sell what's in the cargo?

[blissful oxide]

You damn lucky

[hallow swallow]

nvm sorted. I took out the roc and parked it next to the cutty. The trade machine still recognized it had cargo.

[crimson mantle]

Nice!
You can also empty the back the ROC into a box and dump that in your ship. No need to even carry the ROC back 😄

[hallow swallow]

I tried this, but it seems that the roc has to be inside the ship. otherwise it won't let me do it.

[sinful trellis]

how are people feeling about cargo come 3.15? Or even this patch for that matter. I have an MSR and Im thinking of doing some runs.

[oak lake]

Supposedly its fixed

[sinful trellis]

hmm...guess it's time to do some trucking

[waxen sail]

yeah compared to recent patches its pretty good, you can make a decent profit

in my C2 i make about 125k per run

[sinful trellis]

noice

about how long from start to finish do you think that run is?

[waxen sail]

its from lyria (moon of arccorp) to area 18

so a pretty short run

no clue how long it takes but not very long

[fluid bay]

is anyone else as hyped for the cat's gold pass (2023?) as i am

[lilac hedge]

excited for the cargo refactor at the very least

hopefully the gold pass will come with A: disconnecting the command module and B: modularity

[fluid bay]

oh yeah

and lift gates working

it feels like they have the tech for lift gates and the command module already

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/65294/thread/prediction-iae-drake-caterpillar-major-announcemen

[hallow swallow]

Hi. So I find in the prospector that I move around the rock when I'm breaking and extracting. As a solo player is it going to be a problem in a Mole, since I would need to switch to the mining laser and out of the pilot seat?

I'm saving towards a Mole for the cargo space. So I don't have to be so picky with extraction. I think that would speed up the overall time with quant mining.

[zealous crest]

Is anyone else just completely unable to use trading consoles to sell/buy anything?

[hallow swallow]

working fine for me in the last hour. did notice some desyncing occassionally.

[zealous crest]

I've had a load of mining cargo that I've been unable to sell for days

[hollow sedge]

Hey guys. I have a question. I heard somewhere the cargo has been “fixed” for 3.15. Is that mean we can go back to do cargo the way it was some time ago or is it just for what shows up in the journal? Did they fix the amount of goods you can find in the outposts?

[spare flint]

Refresh rates have been slightly buffed. Still kinda the same before the buff but thats my opinion. I don’t think trading will ever be the same as before.

[hollow sedge]

I miss the good old trading. I use to make so much money between 2 30ks lol

[spare flint]

Yeah. I know the feeling man. Coming back as I said before in the other chat. I was highly impacted by this because I still remember all my old routes. And none of them were any good.

Highly recommend you try to experiment with routes. I’ve heard there are a few good places to trade to and from but it has to be a custom route. Something that no one else is doing.

[hollow sedge]

I used some website (forgot the name) which would give you the best places to buy and sale.
For some time now the mining has been more profitable. Been doing some quantanium mining to train for 3.15 and make some money as soon as possible.

After I’m in to experiment any route that nobody uses. I just wish the old trading gameplay would be back.

[spare flint]

I just bought a C2 for half the price on the market and total going to use it with my MOLE

[spare flint]

We all do.

[hollow sedge]

I use my M2 or the carrack with my mole or my prospector (depends if I multicrew or not) It’s a giod way to make money

[spare flint]

I went with the C2 because of the larger cargo space.

[north oyster]

I hate to speculate this, but sounds like the ship is bugged with your cargo. If you had been transferring the refined ore to the ship over time and keeping the ship to store the cargo, then that might be the issue. I would recommend only transferring refinery jobs at one time then spawning the ship to take it to market. Do not use your ship as storage for refinery jobs as they complete. The refinery has no limit on the number of jobs, so you are not in a rush to move it.

Also, are you going to the TDD/CBD and not the admin offices, right?

[north oyster]

Laranite will never return like that, however, that doesn't mean this hotfix they did doesn't help in a huge way. As you may know, every time a server crashed (which was often) the trade system thought that everything on that server had gotten SOLD and that was killing the inventory on all servers.

Now that this issue has been removed, the tick rate of goods will be more steady. I did a quick laranite run in 3.15 (I've not tried in 3.14) from Wala to A18 in a MAX and cleared 70K aUEC in that one trip.

[hollow sedge]

Glad to hear that. I tried some cargo in 3.14 and I couldn’t get more than 16 SCU regardless where I was going. Being able to get a descent amount of cargo and make money out of it is always nice. I will probably alternate between freight and mining to make money wafter the wipe.

[north oyster]

Other ores like Titanium, diamonds and agricium will be much more readily available and will still offer a good margin. Of course after the wipe, I won't have enough cash to immediately begin trading or properly equip the Prospector, so I will be doing Pizza Deliveries and also ROC mining until I have proper funds. Plus the illegal survey (?) and low level bounties.

[hollow sedge]

It’s going to be the same for most of us. Being able to have options is great. I glad I have ships with good cargo capacity like my M2 or Carrack or options for the mining like my prospector, mole , ROC or ROC DS. Even if it will be a struggle at the beginning it’s still better start than some.

plus some bounties here and there for some extra cash. I saw on the PTU the security missions pays better in 3.15.

[small chasm]

have they made commodity trading any more profitable?

[woeful moss]

The new cargo rates are on the servers already. So if you're not happy with how it is right now, not much will change with 3.15 besides the 30k band-aid fix. Take reports from ptu traders with a grain of salt since there are less players running there too. @hollow sedge

[hollow sedge]

I haven’t been able to spend much time to try the PTU and I haven’t tried trading on 3.15. I just wanted to know if the amount of cargo was better when you want to buy some. The price is what it is. I heard in a video on youtube they fixed cargo for 3.15. I was wondering if it’s just the fact you are not suppose to lose your cargo now or if we can make money out of trading again.

[north oyster]

Most certainly grains of salt from PTU but overall there is a small heartbeat of trade to be found in LIVE.

Speaking of heartbeat, the 30K defense will be a welcome change to for those who will be trading or mining.

I hope that rolls out in the PTU build this week to test.

[hallow swallow]

before the live release of 3.15, will everyone get a chance to try the PTU? Still not available to me.

[north oyster]

Still in Wave 1, I could see open PTU by the end of this week or first of next. But this is pure speculation on my part.

They've not updated the Message of the Day if there is a build being considered for Tuesday.

[hallow swallow]

cool cool

[hollow sedge]

@hallow swallow when you will see PTU open to all backers you will have the possibility to play it. Sometimes the PTU is open to everybody for a few days or more (depends on the stability of the PTU) before they release it to the live sometimes within 48h it will be live. You can’t know for sure how long the PTU is open to everybody but they always open it at some point to all the backers.

[north oyster]

they try to run an elevated stress test on the build before live, as a rule

[hallow swallow]

sounds good. I remember being able to play a PTU last year. I've just recently come back to the game a month+ ago.

[north oyster]

Nice thing about having it is that when LIVE rolls out, all you have to do is rename your PTU folder to Live and you're done (except for maybe a small patch).

[hollow sedge]

I never tried that… That’s actually a good idea lol

[north oyster]

Changes are MONSTEROUS in this build. It is going to be a shell shocking experience for everyone

[hallow swallow]

I used to do something similar with steam games back in the day, before they implemented moving game folders.

[hallow swallow]

I can't wait. I'm hearing about lots of bugs etc. I don't care. Love to try out new stuff, or check out changes.

[hollow sedge]

@north oyster indeed. I’ve been struggling the little I played the PTU with the all inventory thing

[north oyster]

They are not kidding when they say you will need to consider your actions and things needed. Even the process of setting your starting point will have huge ramifications to your game play

[north oyster]

Me too

[hallow swallow]

From that very first choice when you start the game?

[north oyster]

yes, your "home" will mean that EVERYTHING is dumped there

[hallow swallow]

All I know i don't want Orison. I can't stand the long flight through atmo

no matter how pretty it looks

[hollow sedge]

you can select any city in game

[north oyster]

I chose Microtech because of the ground vehicle bug, but that will need to be cleared as a game blocker before Live

[hollow sedge]

I chose Microtech as well. They have a good amount of equipments in the stores. I like Orison but as you said @hallow swallow flying out of atmosphere is painful.

[north oyster]

My old computer sucks wind even on a good day, Orison totally destroys it without a second thought. If I spawn there, it is the end of the line for me with 2 FPS

I have a Ryzen 7 7500G in the box, now just trying to find a decent motherboard to run with it. 32gb sitting in the box also. Ticked that I've gone through 3 MB and still can't run with it.

[hollow sedge]

oh wow. As long as you can run the game and know where you can’t go

[north oyster]

yeah, everywhere in the 'verse it good but Orison. BUT now the Crow's place has all the premium parts and NB Omega has been stripped of inventory

And there's no FedEx in the game 😦

[hollow sedge]

Not yet hahahaha. I’m sure they will think of something like that. Or someone being able to buy something for you in game.

[north oyster]

It'll be awhile but resell and transfers like that will eventually show up. Conversation of selling parts and ships back is also on the table.

[hollow sedge]

I look forward to do that. Being able to take armors, weapons and equipments from dead bodies and sell them.

I like the fact we can take them and keep them it’s already a good improvement.

[north oyster]

IMO, the Looting system has to be fully fleshed out before 3.15 rolls to LIVE

right now, it is not

Also, there is a dilemma of how to handle purchased and owned items from user's hanger.

[hollow sedge]

It’s like any new tech. It’s going to take some time before they figure the best way to use it.

[north oyster]

I do love the idea that if I'm out mining and a 30K happens that we can spawn our ship in the last state it was in (no insurance claim, no penalty). Also, I'm sure if it has Quan, that you can then direct claim the ore at the refinery after you get the ship. Talk about a super shortcut to the refinery.

[hollow sedge]

hahaha I like the idea way too much to think they might do that.

[polar flame]

Quickly hopping in between work calls: Have detection ranges for ROC/hand-mineable been adjusted in 3.15? In 3.14 I struggled to find anything flying around minus the lucky chance that I was flying directly on top of it.

[zealous crest]

I think you were pretty close to the mark, I did a character reset and I was able to use the trading console again. Think it got mega bugged because the cargo I had loaded had been sitting in the refinery since I had done a different reset

[north oyster]

3.15 is the same garbage as 3.14 for the PING and ROC mining, unfortunately. Seems we can't get CIG's attention at this time.

[north oyster]

OK, I need to keep that in mind. I normally try to clear all refinery jobs before any patch because they tend to get gone but I can see how some left between patches would get bugged.

[zealous crest]

Yeah that cargo bugged me pretty bad. Couldn't even buy sell in ships that had never touched said cargo haha

[frail roost]

Just to chime in on the LIVE trading hotfix, I lost 500k to my C2 exploding when I reentered it after filling it with *product.

Then another run, with a different product, I made 100k back.

[polar flame]

well that sucks

I was really hoping to do some ROC mining after the reset to get back into the money

[sonic laurel]

only takes 9 full ROCs to buy a cutty irc

not much more for a vanguard instead

[polar flame]

yeah ... but good luck filling those rocs if you cant find ore

[sonic laurel]

I don't know. I just fly level about 800 meters up at 400m/s and eventually find them

I just kind of pick a direction

[hallow swallow]

I do exactly this, except max move at 300m/s. Gives me a chance to identify the right ping then brake and swing back around. Usually I fly past it but the ping will stay almost up to 2km when I overshoot. It will be detected around 1km or less however.

[sonic laurel]

Nomad seems to handle well enough for a 400ms

[hallow swallow]

Aberdeen, Arial, Daymar, still the go to moons for Hadanite. Even within those moons some zones are more dense with gems then others.

[sonic laurel]

honestly I really want to fly down into caves. mine with the fps tool and with the ROC

maybe drop a mission box inside so I can fly back to it and continue

[hallow swallow]

Need to try this myself too.

[sonic laurel]

I'm down to bring a friend. one person hand mines while the other uses the ROC

[hallow swallow]

I wonder if it's worth it. I've never hand mined outside of prison

[sonic laurel]

we can fill the nomad inventory, both our personal inventories, and the ROC inventory

do you have a pledged ROC?

[hallow swallow]

No bought in game

Why?

You mean the ds?

[sonic laurel]

I'm thinking about post-wipe

[hallow swallow]

Ah

[sonic laurel]

I don't have a pledged ROC either lol

I was going to do bounties in my nomad

[hallow swallow]

Well. I'm still considering how to use my store credit after the wipe

[sonic laurel]

store credit?

[hallow swallow]

I mean whatever I've pledged towards the game I can exchange for game package and any ship upgrades. Or even the standard roc (I think).

[sonic laurel]

huh. I just have the Nomad, a game package, and a paint scheme for the nomad

that's it for me

[hallow swallow]

Yeah I started with a cutty package. Upgraded that to a prospector after learning about mining. Which has helped me earn enough to buy a few in game vehicles.

[sonic laurel]

I bought a cutty in game then grinded about 10 mil worth of bounties for various ships

they nerfed the hell out of my prowler

[hallow swallow]

Your willpower to grind is strong 😆

[sonic laurel]

not too hard at 2 group VHRTs per hour

[sonic laurel]

did they fix the refresh for all stations?

does Grimhex finally buy 100 altru per minute?

[crimson mantle]

Allegedly yes (split across all servers of course)

[sonic laurel]

all servers?

my life is pain

[crimson mantle]

Don't do drugs 😉

[sonic laurel]

When the Ore value index on SC trade tool says aberdeen is 629k does that mean the whole moon spawns in that many units worth of hadanite?

[crimson mantle]

No, the index (OVI) has no unit: just use it to compare with the other locations.

More is better

It's a "general abundance" value

[sonic laurel]

how is it calculated?

[crimson mantle]

Oh boy

[sonic laurel]

roughly

[crimson mantle]

Number of clusters per volume blocks * average cluster size * average deposit composition * ore values

[sonic laurel]

is this data-mined?

[crimson mantle]

It's not adjusted for rock size, so don't compare planet values with space values

[crimson mantle]

Absolutely: straight from the files

[sonic laurel]

neat

idk. all I want to do is sell a nomad full of slam

something about just sitting there with a ton of drugs in a pickup truck feels funny

[crimson mantle]

As long as you're OK waiting 😄

They do buy more than before

[sonic laurel]

20 per minute

[crimson mantle]

Yeah

[sonic laurel]

5 minutes per SCU

if I get the whole servers volume

[crimson mantle]

If you are lucky and not many people sell at the same time you can sell a bunch when you first arrive

[sonic laurel]

what is that 2400*60

not bad

but it takes way too long

[north oyster]

Yeah, you'd make more doing illegal surveillance missions than waiting around (or sell, then run to a mission, the come sell again).

[hallow swallow]

oh my I have done the same thing. I finally tried my hand at trading. I had a successful medical supplies run. Then thought I'll go all in and try move some SLAM. I've got so much still sitting in the hold. Oh I should done more research. Was a bit too excited. Didn't realise it was difficult to sell.

[sonic laurel]

1 SCU per 5 minutes if you're really really lucky

[hallow swallow]

i waited a few rounds, sold some off. then couldn't be bother anymore. Went over to cru L4 where I could sell the whole lot for cheaper at a loss.

[north oyster]

yeah, dipping your toe into the contraband sometimes doesn't go so well.

[pure dove]

what is the best plane to do cargo and combat and is fast, solo.

[sonic laurel]

intro-level or period?

[pure dove]

starter

[sonic laurel]

Nomad

[pure dove]

thx

[sonic laurel]

np

[wintry ruin]

Still the avenger titan.

Nomad is better for cargo, and I love it. But the titan can run rings around it

[pure dove]

thx

[sonic laurel]

this is irrelevant as NPCs are stupid

8 S2 and 3 S3 with 3 small shields

and 24 SCU

and ground vehicles

and bed

nomad is the all-rounder starter

[wintry ruin]

Won't be stupid forever, and players aren't.

I do love the nomad. If you can rent them both for a day I suggest doing so and seeing which you prefer.

Also the nomad looks good...

But the murder penguin looks better

[sonic laurel]

I wouldn't go after players in anything that wasn't a dedicated fighter

marginally better combat performance doesn't outweigh triple the ground vehicle and cargo performance imo

also I have a moderate hatred for anything that mixes pilot controlled gun sizes

[north oyster]

Don't badmouth my 325a, K?

[sonic laurel]

Just have two size 4's

[north oyster]

I was just wondering how many different gun sizes the Corsair has, LOL

[sonic laurel]

this wounds me in ways you can't imagine

it's fine for turrets to be different sizes

but pilot weapons being different gives me anxiety

[north oyster]

I think it has sz1, sz2 and sz3 for pilot, or some odd combo. Totally bizarre LOL

[sonic laurel]

nah. they're all S3-S5

[north oyster]

I thought there were a couple small calibers on the outlying wings

along side the missiles

[sonic laurel]

only the turrets are S2

everything else is 3-5

it's got enough guns to thoroughly explore a cargo ship

[north oyster]

LOL, I'm wondering if CIG will do the traditional Drake nerf on her

[sonic laurel]

I had to leave my love for drake behind because of this

I am now a CNOU stan

[north oyster]

Looking at the 400i, I'm more sold on the Corsair. I'll probably melt my 400i for the Hull C

[sonic laurel]

the corsair is my last hope

unless the cutty re-work is kind

I love my cutty but it's painfully slow for something with that much engine

[north oyster]

They did add in an extra shield for the CAT, if they can magically do that, they should give the cutty that when they mod a toilet in her

[sonic laurel]

it's my dearest hope

2 cutties and a mantis or cutty-blue should be a good small-gang hunt

pull from quantum

take 100scu of the cat or hercules

vamp

but we'll see

[north oyster]

Clean in theory, might be ugly in reality. The looting system, when they finally get one (3.15 should be there for it) will change the dynamics of the game in a huge way

[sonic laurel]

I wouldn't even try piracy until physicalized cargo

it's just too boring

[north oyster]

The refactor still has a ways to go

[sonic laurel]

part of me hopes 3.17

[north oyster]

that sounds about right. Next year might be crescendo crazy with change, and of course 4.x rolling out with Pyro. The pirating/cargo/looting will need to be developed by that point.

[sonic laurel]

do you think 4.0 will be here by the end of next year?

[north oyster]

most certainly, imo

[sonic laurel]

I mean. I agree that this coming year is cresting the hill

in terms of gameplay

[north oyster]

concur

[sonic laurel]

physicalized cargo and shards will be huge along with 2 new gameplay modes

piracy and salvage

[north oyster]

even static shards will be a massive bump, let alone the dynamic shards that will ultimately make it all alive

[sonic laurel]

single shard is a bad idea IMO

multiple dynamic is better

[north oyster]

I can see the merits but the downside is scary

[sonic laurel]

yeah

it's a huge tech undertaking with moderate benefits

I'm not sure even the whole set of systems needs more than a few thousand players to be thrilling

well...10 thousand

[north oyster]

just having a population beyond the 50 will be mindblowing all by itself, LOL

[sonic laurel]

well I'm talking about 100 systems

[north oyster]

I'll savor that thought for a moment ... so massive, so much to do

This will be Ready Player One level stuff

[sonic laurel]

I will have a very expensive setup for sure

[north oyster]

likewise

[sonic laurel]

I told my wife she better prepare for my second marriage

[north oyster]

I'm still in secret squirrel mode at the moment, the reveal hasn't happened yet, LOL

[sonic laurel]

Low-key

[north oyster]

very very

[sonic laurel]

I'm trying to get her to play

since she is a nerdy gamer type

then my kids

and I'll have my own crew

[north oyster]

awesome and good luck. Mine isn't at all but the idea has merit. My son is of the mindset "if dad plays it then it isn't worth looking at" for now. My daughter is too busy with her career but later it might be an option. We use to all play Lord of the Rings Online together, maybe one day with SC.

[sonic laurel]

the family that pirates together, stays together

[north oyster]

I was planning to get my son involved by having him help me get better with FPS since I haven't messed with learning it in game.

[sonic laurel]

I'm getting pretty decent at FPS now

I actually hate ship combat

[north oyster]

My situational awareness needs to be enhanced a little more. I was pretty good when I played Fighter Ace and could engage multiple bogies at the same time and still come out on top. Not so here, still haven't gotten the feel for it yet. Even with the Tobii and dual sticks, it still alludes me. But I'll get it.

[sonic laurel]

it's just not as satisfying as the fps combat

[lilac hedge]

Physicalized cargo, imo, is just if not more game changing than personal inventory

It allows actual coop gameplay for mining and refining, actual piracy that doesn't just share a gameplay loop with murder hoboing

[north oyster]

I agree, they said that the physicalized cargo refactor touches everything in the game

[lilac hedge]

I just want to know what we'll be able to bring up the freight elevator that they've talked about

Just cargo and commodities, or can we bring up empty external inventory crates, 32 SCU shipping containers, components, ship weapons, even vehicles.

[north oyster]

Some automation will need to be inline, can't see filling a Hull C with a handheld tractor beam

[lilac hedge]

extra saddle bags for prospectors

Absolutely, i really wonder how that's going to work. We're getting the hull-c soon, and how exactly will it work?

[floral willow]

Very slowly 😄

[north oyster]

it'll be just like all the other ships that got brought into the game without the infrastructure and mechanics to support it.

[lilac hedge]

Yeah, that's the real bummer

If it's just a reclaimer 2.0

[sonic laurel]

the hull series really doesn't need to be in game until we have other systems IMO

it will be like owning a starfarer

[lilac hedge]

Then again, might be a good test of the variable physics grids

[north oyster]

I'm still a little salty about my C2 collecting dust until the hotfix came out last week or so

[floral willow]

I honestly have no idea how CIG plans to implement that in the future. For this initial implementation, though, I didn't think manually loading and unloading cargo is in. Cargo is physicalized, yes, but it's still kind of just spawned on your ship

[north oyster]

true dat

[floral willow]

I'm almost confident that the loading time and having to either manually load cargo and/or hire NPCs to do it is a later feature

[north oyster]

Or the loading and offload will be included in the contract that was picked up for the haul

[lilac hedge]

Well, cargo isn't even physicalized, they're just static parts of the mesh right now, a "facsimile" as tony put it.

[sonic laurel]

I also need my ship tractor beam along with physicalized cargo

[lilac hedge]

Yup, cat needs those onboard tractor beams

[sonic laurel]

unless my greycat can move a whole SCU

[lilac hedge]

i'm surprised we haven't seen more tractor beam tech yet.

[floral willow]

That's a benefit the Caterpillar will have over something like the C2; you can use the tractor beam to load and offload cargo from your ship (allegedly)

[north oyster]

that goes back to the cargo refactor deal for tractor beam usage

[lilac hedge]

The cat is gonna be a hella efficient hauler

All those doors, the throughput will be crazy

but it'll probably be one of the easiest cargo ships to pirate

[sonic laurel]

efficient to rob too

[lilac hedge]

great minds

[sonic laurel]

indeed

[lilac hedge]

BMM will be the opposite of that

Having to get control of the cargo lift will make it such a hard egg to crack

[north oyster]

a decently armed egg too

[sonic laurel]

pirating a hull or merchantman means a boarding action

which makes me grin ear-to-ear

[north oyster]

I wonder if there will be a way to disable self-destruct

[lilac hedge]

I wonder how many SRVs you'll need to bring to tractor the whole ship off to somewhere else

Self destruct, imo, shouldn't be a thing

[sonic laurel]

no need. the penalty of self-destructing will be super-high compared to losing 100SCU of cargo

[north oyster]

Life/death situation, the attacked might want to make it as costly as possible for the attacker

[lilac hedge]

Because if you're getting pirated, and it's a lost cause, why would you not self destruct

[sonic laurel]

would you like to lose 30%? or 130%?

[lilac hedge]

30% of what?

[sonic laurel]

value

pirates are unlikely to rob all cargo

just some

[north oyster]

why not kill everyone on the ship and take the ship with you instead of remove cargo?

[lilac hedge]

If they've boarded your ship, why would they not just kill you and grab it all?

[sonic laurel]

because they are pirates

they get what they can reasonably handle and leave

and future traders know that being good little merchants means keeping things intact

and not losing everything

[north oyster]

a ship under attack will probably be scuttled no matter the outcome

[sonic laurel]

no

[lilac hedge]

absolutely

[sonic laurel]

that's a stupid thing to do

any pirates know that you have to have a reputation as fair

do what we say and things will go easy

you're confusing pirate with marauder

if pirates attack you might be able to pay them off with no boarding action

otherwise people will fight like it's the end

pirates hate risk

[manic whale]

fair pirate 😄

[sonic laurel]

yep

[lilac hedge]

i can definitely see the opportunities, but self destruction should either take a long time and can be disabled or cancelled

[sonic laurel]

if you start self destruction I might tag your ship and have my crew make it KoS until you write an apology note promising to be good and let us take some from then on XD

I will post it on spectrum

[lilac hedge]

Balancing around the goodwill of other players and a metagame that may or may not exist isn't a solution

[north oyster]

It will be interesting because of the "price of death" but I do see marauders being an issue that makes pirates look bad all the time

[sonic laurel]

marauders are lame

no mind for business

us pirates keep lanes safer by killing marauders who would threaten our little chunk of space

and the merchants all chip in to pay that price

that being said I have yet to see if CIG makes piracy tenable

[north oyster]

Now if that was the case, that'd be a tariff I could see

[sonic laurel]

sure we "levy a fee"

[lilac hedge]

I mean "taxing" people is pretty bog standard piracy affair, there's lots of options between that and marauding.

You might want to try and make off with a whole load if you have good intel on what's being transported

With or without bloodshed

[sonic laurel]

true but if we know you're a payer from past interactions we're unlikely to take much. though it might be a higher fee this time

repeat customers are lifeblood for any business

[lilac hedge]

I have no doubt we'll see crews running liberators or krakens with SRV fleets to intercept high value targets and jack the whole thing out of space

But those same HVTs might have the sense to hire escorts

Which means battle, which means fun

[sonic laurel]

yes

liberators and krakens are great

you can have a lib with 2 troop transports, 8 arrows, and a mantis

that's one hell of a force

[lilac hedge]

Libs are gonna be great

[sonic laurel]

big agree

but yeah. PSA is to always pay your pirate

[acoustic patrol]

in laser mine

[manic whale]

that works in movies or books, not in game

[sonic laurel]

I was paid several times and all things were returned.

walk up to a ROC with a charged railgun. 50k and I leave and you keep mining

he offered 30k

we settled on 35k

[manic whale]

he was an idiot

[sonic laurel]

nah. he got to keep his half load of hadanite

and keep mining

I got my piece and moved on

no lost time and a minimum of lost money

he was smart

[manic whale]

sure 😄

[sonic laurel]

he should instead abandon a full ROC of Hadanite? and have to claim everything again?

he had half a load and 5 rock in front of him

that's a 300k loss plus claim time, loading time, and finding new rocks

he lost less than 15% rather than 115%

[manic whale]

I dont see anything smart in letting me bullied by someone not willing to work, but stealing from somebody else instead

[sonic laurel]

the penalties for death only get steeper my friend

[manic whale]

I dont care. Its a game, not rl

[sonic laurel]

I'm fine with you losing everything, looting what's left behind, and moving on

your choice

[manic whale]

I believe in pirating NPCs, but you do this 3, 4 times to player and he will just move to other gameloop, no stress. If not, he´s an idiot for me.

[sonic laurel]

All other gameplay loops aside from bounties and fps missions or deliveries can be pirated though

you're going to massively reduce your scope over petty cash?

[lilac hedge]

That's also assuming you're operating in unsafe space; A pirate isn't going to try and stick up an area of space where there's like, 30 other mining ships and a security contingent, or a well traveled route where security is minutes away, instead of hours. whether those be players or AI. Cargo haulers, miners, and salvagers etc. will all have an opportunity to do so safely, but with a lower profit margin

[sonic laurel]

true. though marauders mights do that

kill everything then loot

[lilac hedge]

Sure, but a marauder still needs to survive to get anything out of it, or have enough time to breach a ship and board it, two things they won't be able to do if security shows up

Obviously that's system dependent, i assume piracy is going to be nigh impossible in terra

[sonic laurel]

well. security might just be more to loot

[lilac hedge]

I mean doesn't stanton security eventually send idris's to fuck with you?

[sonic laurel]

does it?

that's metal

[lilac hedge]

I think it does

[pallid temple]

It does

[sonic laurel]

that's beautiful

[lilac hedge]

Yeah, so Stanton might have idris's that eventually come, but Terra may throw an idris at you right off the bat

Just Idris' patrols to spare

Or maybe Hammerheads or Perseus's

[sonic laurel]

it's cool. I'll just maraud from a Bengal 😎

[lilac hedge]

I'd like to see someone bring a stolen Bengal into Terra and a UEE fleet come to match it

[sonic laurel]

it would be amazing

[wintry ruin]

I quite liike that. Rapid fire on the wings, single shot high damange on the nose for when the shields pop

[wintry ruin]

Also Bucc, II have a STRONG hatred for any ship that mixes more gun sizes than we have keybinds

[sonic laurel]

lol

I'm gonna try to solo the hammerhead in my Nomad

5 sec damage shield delay should make it possible

[manic whale]

..and If I deny to "pay your pirate", will you fly away to not become a marauder? I think not. Then you will become "marauders are lame"

[sonic laurel]

Marauders are lame because they offer no other alternative

no business sense

[manic whale]

will you fly away? Thats the question.

[sonic laurel]

of course not. only if you pay

[fallow shadow]

If you don’t pay up. Force will have to be used. With a probability of costing you more than it would have to comply?

[sonic laurel]

the difference between a marauder and a pirate is that the pirate offers a sensible alternative to being blown up and looted

[fallow shadow]

Right the marauder just come in guns blazing

Shoot first ask questions later mindset

[verbal oriole]

is there anywhere i can go to just join a call and mine shit?

[hallow swallow]

So cool I can separate the cargo space use. Doing a little cargo hauling between ROC mining.

[lilac hedge]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/itemstorage-box

i hope we can buy these

[sonic laurel]

that looks like 1 SCU

wait...2 SCU

2000k is 2 million mSCU right?

[lilac hedge]

They apparently spawn in 0.125, 1 scu and 2 SCU sized boxes

[sonic laurel]

hmm. As much as I want to believe I am in doubt. Imagine being able to load a Nomad with pure Hadanite

[lilac hedge]

Is that a bad thing?

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to do that anyway

[hollow sedge]

what ship is that?

[pallid temple]

That is a Constellation

Either a Taurus or an Andromeda

[coarse cape]

probably a taurus

cargo bay looks pretty long

[wintry ruin]

Bay looks long, cold be perspective. Colour scheme iesn't quite the Aquila, I can tell you that much.

[hallow swallow]

As the others have mentioned, it's the Constellation Taurus.

I parked the ROC there specifically to see how it would work when I added cargo to fill up the remaining space. I wonder how the game would deal with the boxes and ROC if I had parked it in the middle of the cargo bay. Would it auto rearrange? Something i'll try out.

[coarse cape]

@hallow swallow is that in 3.15?

[hallow swallow]

nah, sadly I'm not in the first wave of testers.

[coarse cape]

ah

didnt know it did that in 3.14

[hallow swallow]

figured it could be possible. when you have a vehicle in cargo, at the trade terminal the overall space has reduced on that ship.

[coarse cape]

ah

[sand scroll]

Yeah, it’s done that for quite a few patches

[opal yoke]

So coming back after 2 months, whats the state of cargo?

[spare flint]

@opal yokebout the same dood

[opal yoke]

So still shit, damn

Isnt 3.15 or 3.16 supposed to include the first Hull?

[pallid temple]

3.16

[north oyster]

Trade has a hotfix patch that has given it some life

[opal yoke]

Sounds alright then, so I can finally fill up my C2 then?

[north oyster]

Yes, but not laranite, LOL

[opal yoke]

Shaaaame, but duh

[north oyster]

The word is that some players discovered that every time the server 30k'd, The game thought that all that product had been purchased

[pliant matrix]

Guys between MSR and 400i as a multirole daily (except fight obviously) what would you pick?

[polar flame]

400i is not a multirole ship

its a luxury exploration ship ... DASSIT

low cargo, no ability to carry any current ground vehicles ...etc

if you want multi-role, go MSR

[wintry ruin]

Connie

[pliant matrix]

Connie is nice but too hard to stabilize on a rocky ground

[pliant matrix]

I tho they changed so the roc can fit?

[hallow swallow]

rocky ground as in? mountainous region?

[polar flame]

they did... then they said they will revert the change.

[hallow swallow]

or flat-ish area with a lot of rocks.

[pliant matrix]

yeah I'd trouble some times ago with elevator not touching ground or stuff like that. It was a while ago maybe they improved that since

[polar flame]

and Connies fly like a spoon in cold peanut butter

[hallow swallow]

i think they've improved. i'm flying a taurus right now. did couple rounds of roc mining yesterday

i do have to find a small patch of ground that is somewhat flat. zero issues with the ROC jumping.

i did have one issues when i lowered the cargo hold over a rock large rock, made the whole connie jump a little.

[polar flame]

yeah ... melted my connie for an MSR sadly

[hallow swallow]

I have seen videos from older versions where it was quite tough to deal with a roc and connie.

[pliant matrix]

I'd roc and msr when msr got released and it worked fine (except the hydrogen leak back then but corrected already)

[polar flame]

its just better at everything that I would do with a connie (no I am not taking out as a combat ship nor do I give a shit about a snub fighter)

[hallow swallow]

so i want to clear something up. when you guys say melt, is that to exchange for store credit on the RSI website? sorry if it's silly question. not a long time player.

[polar flame]

yes

[pliant matrix]

connie is a claimjumper killer or light ship sniper but once close range good luck

[polar flame]

exactly

[hallow swallow]

I also don't care much for the snub so I went with the cheaper taurus to try out for now.

[polar flame]

almost flipped my desk when fighting a stupid M50 in a connie. Fight took 15 minutes cuz the connie cant turn for shit

[hallow swallow]

agreed, i put on m6 and m7 canons and try to make the kill before it gets in close.

[hallow swallow]

one tactic i've had with those pesky m50's in the connie is to actually set it up so I fly backwards fast in decoupled.

this way the m50 needs more time to catch up and fly past.

connie can't turn to keep up, so i found this is one way to keep the m50 infront of my long enough to get in a few good hits, which is enough for the kill.

[polar flame]

yeah. thats what I ended up doing. The M50 spawned as the third add to a bounty that I killed before it even rendered.

[hallow swallow]

how did you melt for the MSR? i don't even see any purchase options on the website.

[polar flame]

oh ... i did it a long time ago

[hallow swallow]

ah got it

[polar flame]

when the green MSR and Tumbril were on sale together

Sadly the Connie is what brought me to the game to begin with. I saw the original video for it and was sold!

[hallow swallow]

i know many despise it's looks. but i love it.

i also love the look of the cutty.

so yeah.

[polar flame]

its beautiful ... and on paper, it should be one of the best ships in the game at its size

[hallow swallow]

the origin ships look nice but too pretty for me. haha

[marble crater]

i recently upgraded my Cutty to a Taurus. super happy with both ships tbh

[polar flame]

but alas ... CIG has a habit of making older ships useless when they drop new ones in their 'class'

I love my cutty black on my alt 🙂

[hallow swallow]

i think they'll go through some overhauls when more systems are close to final.

i hope anyway.

[jagged veldt]

is there a way to unload the prospector? It's full of useless ores but not quant

[hallow swallow]

no you can't

[polar flame]

just refine it

[hallow swallow]

you have to take all to the refinery

[jagged veldt]

ok

[wintry ruin]

They have. I've had little issue finding no more or less a flat an area I'd have needed for any other ship to put down in, and the fact you can drive in/out from either direction onto the hold is handy as hell in such situations.

[wintry ruin]

You can selectively refine what you want, so toss the rest, set it refining, go out, mine more, rinse, repeat until you have enough to fill your cargo hauler almost full. Then you're good to go. I say 'almost' because it won't let you over fill a hold obviously xd

[north oyster]

For ROC escorting and operations, I have found the MAX to be rock solid. The RORO is unmatched, fuel usage is phenomenal and she can land and fit anywhere on a planet.

So much so that I CCU'd my cutty to the MAX just for this. I do have the CCU for MAX to Taurus on standby if I want to take it up another level.

[sonic laurel]

Roro?

[north oyster]

Roll On, Roll Off

[sonic laurel]

So far I've tried three and my favorite is the nomad

Seems to be quickest to load and unload and terrain matters very little