industrial-professions

[deft verge]

Will probably depend on if the skin for ship showdown is good

[open viper]

the cat is always able to be bought as long as you have beat pirate swarm

[deft verge]

Havn't played that gamemode yet, probably should

[north oyster]

C2 will pretty much remain the king of planet side trade and cargo delivery. So I plan to hold on to it because of that aspect. The Hull C is on my wishlist for big transports. The C2's performance over the CAT is hard to pass up when looking at one against the other.

[raw shell]

thanks all, just purchased a new C2 🙂

[north oyster]

I love mine, LOL. I even use it once in awhile as just a daily driver because it is fun to fly. You do a scrap/processed food trade route. You don't make much but it is entertaining, nonetheless.

I also purchased the black livery, love it being that color.

[gilded bluff]

blasphemy!!

[north oyster]

blind dedication to Drake, I see, LOL

The CAT is a good ship, but it's one that only a mother could love its looks

[gilded bluff]

Im getting really worked up here my man. What is this anti-Drake campaign?
Such a lovely and interesting ship did not deserve this

[north oyster]

LOL, I'm a Drake fan also but I also walk in reality as it is related to "sexy" ships. The CAT is as ugly as a ship can come. 🙂

[raw shell]

faster quantum drive might be in order for this

did you guys stay with the stock quantum drives?

[north oyster]

First thing!! I forgot to mention that. It's got the WORST one for stock

I'd spring for a TS-2 if I was you

[raw shell]

I'll l ook for that right away, thanks

[north oyster]

You can find it at PO, New Babbage or CRU-L5 according to Erkul

runs about 94k aUEC

[raw shell]

cool thank you 🙂

[gilded bluff]

I respect you sir for your contributions here but your taste in ships is terrible 😄

[slim atlas]

its ugly like a pug but you cant help but love it

[crude fox]

It’s okay I got the cat last night ❤️

My sexy elongated behemoth

[gilded bluff]

damn straight 😄

[crude fox]

We’ll be laughing when we are able to detach the pilot ship from the mothership! And change out the modular cargo rooms.

[gilded bluff]

we are already laughing mate. For that superior taste in ships 😄

[delicate girder]

My ROC just stopped working but it still have power. Don't understand what happened.

How do I tell if it's out of hydrogen or something? How do diagnose?

It has power but it won't drive. The mining arm will go out and in and move, but it won't fire.

I turned it off and on with the U key.

Don't think the server has problems because I was able to get out and store the ore I have mined so far in me bag.

suggestions?

It just turned off while I was mining and it won't come back on.

[simple hawk]

Have you exploded something close to it so it might bee damaged? Can easily get damaged in transport or when on ground driving.

[delicate girder]

There was no explosion. It just shut down as I was mining.

It was not giving me any warnings when I shut down.

[wintry ruin]

It might be component degredation. I've never had a Roc spawned long enough to see for myself but seems this patch reduced the life of it's parts, they degrade over time. If it's been out long enough they might have just broken.

[delicate girder]

My ROC stopped working and I want to pick up these Hadenite by hand, but when I get out of the ROC and try to pick them up, they're not there.

[raw shell]

Just found the biggest spawn of aphorite.. was up to 300+scu vacuuming it up when.... 30k.

didn't even count the rocks there were so many. Was around halfway through breaking them cry

[lone sonnet]

dang thats rough

anyone want to go mining?

or actually cargo hauling lol

whichever

[raw shell]

if you 30k on a moon in a roc, is it a set thing you can't reclaim the roc on that moon and have to go to another to claim it or just totally random fail?

[lone sonnet]

whenever that has happened to me, going to another moon has worked

[raw shell]

OMG, I went back to the moon I 30ked on, my roc was retrieve, not claim, and all of that sweet aphorite was in the cargo!

[lone sonnet]

dude nice!

[raw shell]

did NOT see that coming

[wintry ruin]

SELL IT FAST!

[raw shell]

lol yep making a b-line to the admin office

[thick pumice]

What's the difference between lower resistance and more laser power? For mining modules.

[pure silo]

can the starfarer refuel people yet?

[hollow sedge]

https://gyazo.com/07ff9d9485e1491b7b6fe214544a61a1

[crimson mantle]

Instability is more volatile with more power

[crimson mantle]

Not yet

[thick pumice]

and I guess more power will allow me to crack bigger rocks? or is that lower resistance

I will find a video to watch about this, sorry

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, I don't want to misspeak, as it's not my area of expertise 😛

[thick pumice]

thank you for answering though, omg look at all of these emotes

[slim atlas]

pretty much yeah you can crack bigger rocks, but the catch is fine tuning the laser is reduced think of it was you'd have a pick axe for a starter laser and it goes all the way up to a jack hammer

[thin escarp]

@thick pumice i can help ya get the hang of ship mining

[rose forge]

is trading still broken?

[hollow sedge]

if you can break a rock depends on the mass and resistance of a rock relative to your laser power and resistance reduction.

while the instability inceases the charge-level 'wiggle'
if you count on the instability and lag to crack your rock, you're wasting time.

for cases like quantainium, the Lancet laser is preferred over the Helix as its able to crack rocks with high resistance easier.
up to 5.1k mass without any modifiers or consumables. (so literally 100% of all asteroids right now)

the lancet doesnt have much Power though, since its designed as support-laser. so charging a rock alone takes its time. time which can be reduced using passive mods.

[ornate glacier]

are there any tradin routs

[delicate girder]

What's the best technique to locate ROC minables in 3.14? In 3.13 it seemed like you could find them by active scanning, but after trying a lot in 3.14 it seems to me that active scanning is mustly if not totally inaffective at finding ROC minables. It seems that I just have to fly as low as possible and maybe not faster than 300mps. Any pointer or links from anyone would be appreciated!

[raw shell]

like you said, fly low and slow. I constantly ping and look for boxes <2,000m. That's about it. I fly slower than 100mps too

[hollow sedge]

What are the key binds to use consumables and passive mods?

[quasi pagoda]

Yeah I am noticing that I miss a lot of bodes even going at 100m/s. I now fly at 60m/s stopping and starting. Never go more than a couple of mins without seeing a node.

Also really low. Like 200m skim the ground.

[wintry ruin]

Passive are always active and don't expire. Consumables I believe are alt 1-3

[hollow sedge]

Ok, thanks.

[foggy iron]

I have had this and it seemed to be an overheating issue as when I switched everything off and waited for a while, it started working again. It was months ago so I cannot remember how long I waited but I feel that it was at least 5 minutes and could have been 15!

[deft sequoia]

if i store a ship with cargo in it and disconnect, when i am back will this cargo still there?

[delicate girder]

Probably that too, but in my case it turned out that the ROC's power plant was damaged.

[delicate girder]

It most likely will be as long as you 1) store the ship at a port or 2) have a successful bed log (not recommended but it works some times).

[deft sequoia]

thx : )

[delicate girder]

Also, you can sometimes increase the chances of retaining your cargo by getting in the habit of just requesting docking at ports your near even if you're not landing.

Even though it's probably not needed I even request docking again as I'm leaving a port when I have cargo.

[tacit laurel]

The MAX losing because of a meme hurts me spiritually

😔

[fleet gulch]

What's a better alternative to a Surge module, a Torpid or a Forel?

[fleet sentinel]

Its not a meme, the argo cargo is the best ship in the game

[delicate girder]

Is the NT 999-XX loction on Yela a cave?

[white cairn]

Sounds like a drug lab

[fleet sentinel]

No it's an outpost

Also im 90% sure it is actually some form of drug lab

[lost canyon]

Heyy, is trade(hauling) still crap ?

[delicate girder]

Definately, unless you count mining, refining then hauling to sell.

Then again, mining itself is fairly fucked right now if you consider all the dud rocks/roids in ship mining and how unproductive and hard ROC mining is now.

Add to that the fact that if you make any money in the game right now, you have around a 50% chance of having stolen out of you walet by some damn game bug. 3.14 is a dumpster fire!!!

[wintry ruin]

2mil into the void! My Valk shall have to wait!

[delicate girder]

I've lost nearly 5 million in three separate instnaces of having money stolen out of the walet.

One of the instances we a gift I sent to another account. The other account said it was there and they received it, then it was gone the next day.

Made me look like a fool for recommend the game to them.

[sleek yoke]

Any suggestions to a new player, I have a Roc mining, I I usually rent the Connie to take it out, is this worth it ROI or should I continue to do monitor missions until I can get a prospect or a Argo cargo

[delicate girder]

I had a $100+ ship upgrade I was going to do, but CIG is going to have to do a lot better and make this right before I make another buy.

[wintry ruin]

There's cheaper things that'll fit it you can pick up, but sadly mining is very buggy now. Bounty missions are the most reliable and steady source.

[sleek yoke]

I’m dogwater at space combat 😦

[wintry ruin]

Step one, get a HOTAS
Step two, get a nimble ship
Step three, get a lot of caffeine

[delicate girder]

Alternate step three, learn to fly in asteroid fields and play cat and mouse with the NPCs.

[wintry ruin]

LRT and VLRT bounty missions are normally doable with only a moderate ship and a bit of bull headdedness and are good practice for cutting your teeth on.

[delicate girder]

I hate what they've done with group bounties. It seams the in 3.14 all of them make your fly across the system a time or two to get them done. Makes them completely useless. Also, If you're in a group you have to split up. That kind of defeats the having fun in a group thing.

[wintry ruin]

So far I've done medium risks' and they've all been within the same AO, just perhaps separate moons.

[north oyster]

Others might have chimed in, but ROC mining is mostly dead this patch. The new PING can't pickup roc deposits unless you are on top of them. The laser is failing and now components in the ROC are failing.

[bright sinew]

just try to get behind the enemy, and always keep moving, never fire if you wont hit

also the locked gimbal mode promotes movement, use that

[hollow sedge]

Im new looking for a teacher and to have fun

[delicate girder]

Well you have the right attitude for sure. What do you want to learn first?

[delicate girder]

I'm curious. What do you mean "promotes movement"? Would there be better way of putting that for more clarity?

[wintry ruin]

Not something I've thought of myself but he's got a point:

Gimablling means you fly more in a straight line, or at least a gentle arc, while the gimballs do the aiming for you.

Fixed means you need to move your ship rather radically by comparison to line up the shot manually. Fixed weapons do gimbal, there's no way to stop them, but the center of the crosshair has to be well within the lead indicator for this to occur...

so you really have to move the nose of the ship more, which means moving the way the ship itself flies. You moving more means you're more evasive and harder to hit. Add to that that I've found myself adding more burst from my strafing thrusters to alter the aim point without changing my bearing which in turns makes me more evasive while following a target.

Ultimatly, using fixed makes you fly better because you gotta fly better to get hits and not die!

[deft sequoia]

is it worth to buy a caterpillar right now?

[idle charm]

almost 49 :(

[hidden palm]

anyone wanna help me mine?

[ember star]

For mining? Sure. For trading? No

[stiff hemlock]

Whats the best spot for ROC mining?

[balmy fulcrum]

didnt wanna deliver my quant cargo anyway : D
(i blew up as soon as the QT ended)

game decided to throw me underground when i tried to QT to arc corp

[bright flame]

That's happened to me, and QTing down to the surface makes me nervous every time

[shadow osprey]

This is our corps mining calculator, can be opened google docs or excel

let me know what you guys think

we use this every weekend in @thin escarp 's mining ops

[delicate girder]

That's why there that port right above each of the capital cities so you can fly down without QTing to avoid spline death when it really matters.

[ornate rock]

plz read the rules and only post IC reports in #bug-hunt-chat

[pallid lake]

thanks for the information

my current record for a single mole ride

[ornate rock]

it's actually not very obvious in the rules, but falls under the asking for upvotes thing. the channel was created specifically to keep people from posting IC reports in the main channels

[gilded bluff]

two times to me, which is why I never QT to cities anymore when transporting quant

[thin escarp]

@pallid lake did you sell it raw? thats worth like 775k refined..

[pallid lake]

no thats only my first indicator how big the refined income will be

[thin escarp]

@gilded bluff where do you sell if not at cities?

@pallid lake if you see the guide snokones posted you can find the exact amount once refined.

the ledger

[pallid lake]

it doesnt not work when you have the inert material bug

[gilded bluff]

oh I sell at the cities but I dont QT to them. Flying manually is slower but safer

[thin escarp]

when you go to the refinery. it says how much scu. then type that info in the ledger.

[hollow sedge]

ROC mining tip. After extracting your precious precious, put the laser back on fracture mode and give it a blast for a couple of secs, only then hit M to turn mining mode off. Have found that workflow tends to keep the fracture mode working for subsequent deposits. Maybe it keeps things synced with the server and stops it getting confused which mode it's in. Another tip if you're using the Drake truck to move around your ROC bobcat and finding that the open and close buttons at the ramp sometimes go off into never-never-land and you get stuck inside... when in the pilot's seat hit F and look down to the throttle quadrant... use the Open/Close External command there instead of the buttons. These 2 things have helped to finally get a good mining shift done.

[north oyster]

3.14 has put ROC mining is in a very difficult position. There are a multitude of issues that prevent ROC mining from working. 1. PING does not show ROC deposits unless you are right on top of the deposit. 2. The Laser/Collector actions are swapping and killing the chance to harvest deposits. 3. Components on the ROC are failing at a very high rate, making it where you are lucky to get one or two jobs done before the ROC fails and has to be reclaimed (there are NO repair options for the ROC)

[north oyster]

Great tip, I was wondering how the mechanics of failure were getting activated, at least this will help you keep being able to mine the deposits you find. I use the MAX now as transport so I don't need to worry about the cutty failing on me.

[stiff hemlock]

Oh dang so mining in general is just buggy as of this patch. Sad to see its a fun gameplay loop

[slim atlas]

though to be fair with the ROC mining pings you arent limited to 32 or 96 on storage, you can keep doing it

[jovial saddle]

is there a way to get the backpack back without account reset?

[spare flint]

Nope

[thin escarp]

@stiff hemlock can be. still hella profitable though.

[stiff hemlock]

Yea I did quantum mining and its pretty fun and intense just hard to find the rocks in the asteroid belt between CRU L1 and ARC L4. And I have bad RNG lol

[thin escarp]

@stiff hemlock def can help ya with that.

[cedar flower]

https://imgur.com/a/gvqlK
So appearently the Hull C also has a small internal cargo hold????

But I cant see where it would be located inside the ship

[wintry ruin]

Room on the engine block but I'd keep that all for engineering if I were designing the ship.

The pictures shown show an abundance of room at the end of the front section's neck to fit such a hold as shown in the first pic, although there'd be little to no room between the inner and outer hulls most likely.

[cedar flower]

you mean the room next to the little balcony in the rear?

[wintry ruin]

https://gyazo.com/6d6d4ff8a1373a7e08dbcd44ccecee3a

[cedar flower]

ahh

mhh, would make sense to have it above the tunnel

is there like more information on that room?

[wintry ruin]

No idea but at the far left it looks like there's a door out.

Shape of the walls kinda fits the slope of the wall/hull

[fleet sentinel]

Here's a hull-c whitebox

[cedar flower]

it does not seem to be there

[fleet sentinel]

You can see the doors on the left

[cedar flower]

mhhh

also that area is hollow for the spindles

that room is a mystery

[cedar flower]

thats its preview model and not the ship we get

[fleet sentinel]

Should still give a rough idea of where doors could be

[cedar flower]

side by side of the new vs old model

[fleet sentinel]

Ah, nevermind then that's a pretty big difference

[cedar flower]

that side door is also a docking port
the cargo room uses the internal doors

thats why I am so confused about it

I however could see it being behind the landing gear acces

this area here

[fleet sentinel]

Yeah i can see some sort of ramp/elevator coming out there

[fleet sentinel]

Or maybe a chin ramp? I can see some kind of bulge right at the front there, but dont know if there would be enough space in the cockpit then

[cedar flower]

thats a turret

2x S3 guns

[fleet sentinel]

No no, im saying something like this

[cedar flower]

no, that would be to steep, also there would be no space for the landing gear to go

it has to be behind the gear

[fleet sentinel]

True

[idle charm]

so like is there any actual reliable source of quant?

[autumn flame]

Does anyone know if the rucksack is bugged? I can buy the item but can't equip it. It isn't showing in my inventory at all

[thin escarp]

@idle charm whatcha mean

like hot spots?

[idle charm]

yeah, sal-2 on lyria, can never find anything, hurl-l3 never find anything

halo, never find naything

[thin escarp]

@idle charm I'll be on ina few hrs i can help ya

[proper hound]

anyone know where is a good place for aphorite?

[lethal portal]

how am i supposed to understand this percentages?

[quartz crescent]

It’ll probably be 32%

[quasi pagoda]

It's gibberish, just get close and check quantities with the mining laser.

[lethal portal]

thanks, looks like propper values can be seen only via turret

[bright flame]

Two things to look for:

Instability, at the top middle
And the presence of Borase

If the Instability is > 6.0, then look if there is Borase in the rock
If there is no Borase, then it is >30% Quant
If there is Borase, then it must be at least 7.5 Instability to be 30%

[lethal portal]

great, thank you!

[bright flame]

Also, the way to read those number is:

Divide the number by 100
That is the % of the rock's non-inert materials.

However, Inert Materials can be between 5% and 90% of the rock, so it's basically useless.

Instability is the only way to tell with Quant.

With the other ores, you have to scan it with a mining laser (Mining mode in Prospector, turret with the MOLE) to tell.

[lethal portal]

it's a bug or CIG's perverted understanding of how miners should suffer? ))

[obsidian stone]

Its just the first iteration of a gameplay system that needs to be iterated on until it reaches its intended state.

[bright flame]

Very much a bug, but one CIG evidently is unable/unwilling to fix currently. Hopefully 3.15 fixes it. Or breaks it more. We'll see

[sleek yoke]

Hey what’s they best place to mine Gems 💎?

[ember star]

ROC

[sleek yoke]

Yes but when I take my roc is Aberdeen really the best place ?

[ember star]

Or Arial

Daymar is ok too

[timber furnace]

anybody willing to teach me how to use the roc or mining? having some trouble learning

[sleek yoke]

Ok skyhawk here’s what you want to do get what ever u transport ur roc and fly lower than 1k meter and fly at a slower speed till u get the hang of spotting the BOXES ( spamming scanner as much as you can) > 1k out those are GEMS anything out side that rang is trash…. I use cruse control and fly straight for while….. but you want to cruse right above the ground and take in as much info as you can

[timber furnace]

okay, ive tried that and idk if its a bug but my scanner button has been having issues and not working properly

[sleek yoke]

You have to fly right over the gems

I order for them to pop

[coarse cape]

is roid mining still borked with duds or its it a bit better?

[timber furnace]

so the scanner wont work if its not right above it?

[sleek yoke]

They are bugged apparently

[timber furnace]

ah, so best option is to wing it and try to find them on the radar?

[sleek yoke]

Yea by Spamming it

Like u want to set you self up to be able to not worry about where u are going, but reading all the numbers that pop up.

INFORMATION TAKE IN is extremely key for success….. this is like training to execute that same move at full speed, once u have the hang of getting successful at a lower speed step it up a bit each time

[timber furnace]

okay, ill give it a shot, thank you kindly!

[sleek yoke]

Yea bro the key is don’t give up on it

[timber furnace]

will do! i love this community so much yall are super helpful

[sleek yoke]

Has anyone compared Roc mining with the prospecter?

What they pay out is hourly on the 2 ?

[bright flame]

Prospector is way higher presently, due simply to how hard it is to find ROC minables and how often the ROC bugs out.

[sleek yoke]

Guess I’m going to keep roc mining to get that prospect 👍😬😂

[hollow sedge]

Has the ore duplication glitch been fixed yet?

[tardy flower]

Not yet 😒

[gleaming quail]

do you guys think 32 scu of prospector is enough for what it is? im just into mining and have to go back and forth with the prospector to mining quantanium but after refined only have like 10 scu of quantatium and haven't sold it yet. Don't know how much I will got from that 10 scu...

[quasi pagoda]

If you are on in a few hours I would be happy to show you the ropes, but it's essentially just you fly low and slow.

Skim the ground at no more than 60m/s they will pop up every few mins.

You are looking for boxes that are less than 4km. They will always be gems not rocks.

[quasi pagoda]

What refining method are you using?

A full load of pure quant is worth around 200k. If you have other stuff in it, that will reduce your profits.

If you only have 10scu of quant you may have made bad decision on the refining process, or you picked up a lot of inert. It can take a lot. Always use the highest yield refining process, and pick up the most pure quant rocks first to ensure the most pure load.

[quasi pagoda]

It has. There is a new one though.

[hollow sedge]

Do many people use it?

[quasi pagoda]

No idea. probably, it was made public by a YouTuber. Lots of people know about it.

Hopefully they fix it soon.

[hollow sedge]

Yeah, it completely ruined the economy.

[gleaming quail]

I think i pick up less quant than others org. I used dyn and flex menthod

[gleaming quail]

cutlass for transport refine cargo good enough for msr or others ship better?

[tardy flower]

If you use Prospector 32scu, Cultass Black with 46 scu is good.
You can rent a Freelancer for more cargo.

[tardy flower]

Dynix at CRU-L1 if you want to optimise Quantainium run.

[gleaming quail]

i usually refine at arc l1. So which menthod should I use over there?

[tardy flower]

ARC-L1 is the 2nd best place for Quantainium. Dtnix method is slow, cost lest but have a great yield. So if you want to make money and you have time, use Dynix one.

[gleaming quail]

yeah, so I use correct one! 😄 thks for the advice

[north oyster]

Others might have mentioned this but ROC mining in the 3.14 patch is in a very bad place. The new PING is worthless for small FPS/ROC deposits because you have to be (literally) right on top of them within 1k meters. You can still find deposits, I think I found 3 in 1.5 hours of searching (1 dolivine, 2 hadanite). Then add to that the laser failure (tip: members say hitting the deposit with the laser before turning mining off helps prevent bug). And then finally, the components on the ROC are failing at an excessive rate.

[north oyster]

CRU-L1 gives you a 3% Quantainium refinery bonus, only place in the Stanton system that does.

If not in a rush, one of the better refinery methods is Dinyx Solventation. Is it slow but provides lowest cost with best yield.

[manic whale]

#industrial-professions message

[boreal ibex]

hi guys, can you sell refined ore in Orison TDD?

[crimson mantle]

Orison TDD is not working as intended in the current build :/

[thin escarp]

not yet

i always sell at area 18

since habs are near TDD

@boreal ibex

[wintry ruin]

Low cost for high yield is the best whether you're min/maxing or just looking to make some cash. Takes time to refine, just do as many runs as it takes to fill up the cargo hold of your chosen hauler, leave them refining come back in the morning

[boreal ibex]

alright, thanks guys. Much appreciated @thin escarp @crimson mantle

[potent dome]

When the ROC's mining laser drops to 0, does it regenerate over time? Or does it mean the mining trip is over? Also what does the icon between the heart and temperature mean?

[sleek yoke]

Get in and get out

[sleek yoke]

It’s a bug 🐜

[potent dome]

Thought the laser was worn out lol. Thanks

[raw shell]

made this reference for sites to spawn ground vehicles if anyone's interesting. Got sick of clicking to look up the moon/planet on the standard one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1skMPsaI4Mv_vOmlwHGfdN9x8M5OJtgCrXOharcI672g/edit?usp=sharing

[stone coyote]

wheres the best spot for mining with the prospector

[raw shell]

Lyria, imho

or the asteroid belt/Halo

if you're going for quantanium, that is

[wintry ruin]

Anyone got the chart for the refiniery bonus yields anywhere? Seem to have lost it

[manic whale]

google? https://sc-trade.tools/refineries?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:99999,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:1000,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Medical%2520Supplies%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520microTech%2522%255D%257D

[wintry ruin]

Not the site I was thinking of but thanks!

[fleet gulch]

So what's the most efficient way to dump off these stupid dumbass rocks I've been microwaving?

[manic whale]

in english?

[fleet gulch]

Last time I tried to bulk sell I couldn't get rid of half of it before the suits told me they were drowning in rocks

Yes, I'd like to sell them in English.

Habla no korea

[manic whale]

sorry, dont understand your language

[fleet gulch]

Oh sorry, let me edit

There we go

Okay fine. What's the most efficient way to sell refined quantanium in bulk?

[raw shell]

I take mine to lorville or area18

TDD center

[deft verge]

Area 18 for me

[manic whale]

yeah, Area18 has highest refresh rate for buying it. If the demand is full (quant greyed out), just wait by the console/come another time/switch server location. Nothing more you can do

[fleet gulch]

Hmmm, alright, thanks

[gloomy hawk]

I'm having issues finding Quantanium.

[round sleet]

So quick question, I am attemtping mining with a ROC that I rented, I go on a planet but can't find any rocks I am able to mine with a ROC, what am I missing ?

[gloomy hawk]

I was told that there was supposed to be a good spot between L1 and Hurston at like 12.5Mkm but I can find it.

[wintry ruin]

It's not you, Roc rocks only show up at about 1km on the scanner

[round sleet]

So what ? Do I have to fly like super super low to find them ?

[deft verge]

Yeah, like only a few hundred meters above the ground

[round sleet]

So what's with that giant cube thingy from the tutorials ? Is that out dated ?

[deft verge]

Yes, previous ping system in older versions

[round sleet]

Oooh wait is it the diamond icons ?

[deft verge]

With the roc, look for a jewel shape when you ping

Yup

[wintry ruin]

As someone who is very into Roc mining has said in this server alread your best bet on Roc mining is to wait for the next patch and hope they fix it I'm afraid.

If you are still wanting to, fly low. like really low. You'll see a cube appear not on the world but on your hud every time you ping.

If that ping reads anywhere form 3-10km and is still a cube, that's a larger rock you can't Roc mine, don't get excited.

If that ping is still a cube at 2km or less, that's a roc minable one and it'll turn into a gem when you get closer.

[round sleet]

Oh so rad, I've been missing them completely ! Thanks !

You have to take all the shards manualy or am I missing something .

?

[wintry ruin]

In a roc, right click

Then point that new lazor beam at them

[round sleet]

OOOOOH DANK

I already love that ROC holy cheese

[wintry ruin]

It's bit buggy this patch but when it works it's fun

[gloomy hawk]

I am not loving mining at the moment.

Everything is different, and I can't find squat

[round sleet]

It's my first time doing it so it's pretty new and enjoyable for me

[gloomy hawk]

It is fun... I just can't seem to find the asteroid belt. and I'm frustrated

[round sleet]

So one I'm done mining, my next stop is a refinery I assume ?

[wintry ruin]

Roc? Nah just head back to any mining facility on that planet and sell it form the vehical's inventory

[gloomy hawk]

YTou should be able to sell at any vendor.

[wintry ruin]

Hand minabls you don't refine

Although you can probably fit a lot more in the Roc, check the HUD, there should be an indicator of cargo capacity

[round sleet]

So onyl refine once you get into a Prospector ?

[wintry ruin]

Or aMole, yes

[round sleet]

Cool, so directly sell the other stuff ?

[wintry ruin]

Yup. Head back to most facilities planet side, the one you spawned the roc at should work, and find a building marked I think Storage, there'll be a terminal in there

[round sleet]

Cheers for the help 🙂

[wintry ruin]

👍

[sterile mist]

same

[round sleet]

Is it a known issue that somethimes despite having the laser on a rock it doesn't do anything ?

[wintry ruin]

Yuuuuuup

I had it happen to the hand tool while I was flying for the hell of it over Daymar a couple minutes ago and decided to investigate some rocks I literally flew over the top of at about 400m/s

And maybe 4m above them XD

[round sleet]

30K aUEC, not bad for a first session. 2 more of them and I'll be able to buy the ROC

Then mine more, buy a Prospector

Rince and repeat I guess

[wintry ruin]

I hope so

[round sleet]

Note to myself, Ita is a MISERABLE place

[wintry ruin]

There is a bug at present with, alst I checked, no work around where you just straight up loose cash.

I lost 2 mil, I was half way to buying a Valk!

[round sleet]

what the fuck

Taxes, got to be

I assume it is better to put the ROC back into storage before putting the ship into storage in a station ?

[sand scroll]

I haven’t really done any cargo hauling since 3.10 or so... is it profitable these days?

[slim atlas]

I leave it on my ship, it stays without much issue

[north oyster]

I have some easy charts when I get back to my computer. The easiest is to start at CRU-L1 and sun aim for ARC-L3. Go 11.5M km and then drop out (kill engines). This will put you about dead center of Aaron's Halo.

Cargo trading still dead, for the most part. The spawn rates are all fubar. One day trade will return

[sharp latch]

Quick question. Just got an ROC, what’s the best planet for mining with it?

I want to capitalize. I’m marking 20k right now doing mercenary missions but combat isn’t my thing. I just feel like when I go hunting for gems I’m flying forever to find them.

[peak solstice]

does anybody need help with contracts, like at all. I just reset my character because of glitches so I have no money

[sharp latch]

I did a reset the other day lost my money.

I didn’t think money was supposed to be lost.

But here we are.

[peak solstice]

I had almost a million

it just went

bye bye

[sharp latch]

I got up to 400k pretty quick doing the mercenary missions.

I hear bounty hunting is good but I’ve been getting to my bounty with like 2 other NPCs there and I always get rocked.

[peak solstice]

do you think it's worth it to do combat mission in rented ships

or jsut stick with the mustang alpha

[sharp latch]

Um. I’ll be on in like an hour. You can use my 325i until you blow it up. Lol

325a

[peak solstice]

ahhh that would help, until then i'll see how well i do with the mustang

[sharp latch]

The mercenary missions that you need to destroy the the monitors at comarrays pay 20k a pop

I get access to them over at Crusader.

[wintry ruin]

What Ray said. You can cheese those missions without fighting. Fly around the array first pinging. Get close to tag the monitors so the HUD tracks them. Then start blowing them up. Not only dose it mean you don't have to run around scanning against the clock [timer starts when you kill the first] but NPCs only spawn when you start blowing monitors

[rich dirge]

I've been ROC mining all day today, the ROC absolutely sucks this patch, I would avoid it altogether

a single ROC now doesn't have enough laser power to crack most resource nodes, you need 2 ROCs now to be able to extract from every node

[distant berry]

can someone take me on a run with them i dont need any money i just wanna know how to do it all

i think my goal is trying to find out how to rent a prospector and to go mining i just dont know how

[shell edge]

Hi DAD. I can take you on for a little while

if nobody else have responded yet

[coarse cape]

Don’t rent a prospector unless you just want to test out how mining works

The stock mining laser can mine crappy rocks that you won’t get profit from at all

[gleaming quail]

Is this a bug or I missing something here? Why I can't sell my quant? pls help!

[thin escarp]

wait like

7-10 min

[rich dirge]

there's a common bug that lets you equip rentals with mining gear but I forget how to trigger it

[coarse cape]

They patched that lol

[rich dirge]

rly? I had it yesterday

[coarse cape]

Huh

Pretty sure it was patched in like 3.12

[rich dirge]

I was able to put Lancet head and surge modules on a rental

I took it out and died and claimed, and then I was able to equip it

[coarse cape]

Still it’s a odd chance of getting it

[gleaming quail]

I sold it by login out and log back in. but in return lost my suit and the amount of money is cutting in half.... from 200k to 100k with that same amount of scu

[coarse cape]

And if it doesn’t work for reason you’ve wasted probably over 100k

[smoky gust]

Lost 1.4M
tried reset
lost another 1.2M
This is fine.

[deft spire]

F

[round sleet]

So quick question, I just went through a couple ships on the wiki and saw a few labeled "crew 2-4". What's the deal with these ? Are they like not flyable at all alone or is it a recommendation ?

[manic whale]

Just recommendation, mostly cause there are no pilot-controlled guns on that ship

[round sleet]

Thanks 🙂

[marsh sentinel]

So I have been checking some things out and I'm thinking about ditching my Carrack for the Polaris and it's hard to resist the features...however the most recent info on healing and medical beds does not mention the polaris at all and it's supposed to have one ya??? Let's not forget both Carrack and Polaris has decent sized cargo hold for being an "all arounder" so to speak

[manic whale]

cant see medical bed/section on Polaris

Ah, OK "Rooms not listed in the brochure include an armoury, med bay, brig, Captains Quarters and secondary quarters for the fighter pilot or second in command."

[rustic jackal]

Hey, is there anyway to keep the optimal power level UI on when you turn off the laser for a sec (to reset)?

[wintry ruin]

Not really, turning it off is meant to be an instant emergency cut off. It's better to practice feathering the throttle so you don't need to cut it off fully but adjust it constantly and instinctively. However if you have a slider on a HOTAS set up to be the laser throttle then you can return it to the same spot but that does require muscle memory.

[rustic jackal]

I see, so don’t turn it off instead drop it all the way down?

[wintry ruin]

Yup. If you're using the mouse wheel, that means just scroll like crazy

[rustic jackal]

I’m trying to work out the best input, I’ve got a old hotas but mainly been using dual sticks for everything else

So a analogue absolute input might actually be good then?

[wintry ruin]

Also this patch there's a minor bug related to turning it off and on again that causes the scan info to be lost and it's a PITA, dropping the throttle to niil rather than cutting it off gets around that.

[rustic jackal]

Ah

That’s probably what I’m seeing sometimes then

[wintry ruin]

Oh yea. I had it set up on one of my thumb knobs a few updates ago but now that seems to not be viable as I use it for something else which NOW responds when I'm in mining mod when it didn't before so I use the otherwise unused thumb slider. TBH I just use that for either emergency cut off without actually killing the beam (slide it all the way up) or if I need to microwave on full for a bit (slide it all the way down)

And I stick with the mouse wheel for actual fine control

[rustic jackal]

Hey again 🙂

I’ve got those bound to up and down

Yeah, I had it on that and have turned it off for mining

I’ve got the thrustmaster t16000 lark, forget what the throttle is actually called

Might be a bit over the top to have that just for mining xD

Yeah. It’s pretty stiff. I’ll map the slider in a bit and see how I get on, mainly I just like the precision for landing, I’ll have a think 🙂

Don’t suppose there is a way to have a shift for a axis? So I could have it bound twice kinda thing?

Fair enough, maybe I just need a curve setting up

Sorry, think I need that explaining in more detail.

[wintry ruin]

First time out in a while, first time going after Quant specifically:
https://gyazo.com/4ce7f0ebe8faa3d8d8568307a9f8e160

[rustic jackal]

I wish I could find something like that, nice

[wintry ruin]

I wish ?I could crack it

[rustic jackal]

Ah, fair point

[wintry ruin]

Okay... ain't haappening. the instibility wiggle is like eight times bigger than the green zone

What lazor and modules should I be using for solo mining in the prospector?

[teal wing]

Lancet with Surge will get you pretty much anywhere, I like taking brandt or stampede too for quantanium mining

[wintry ruin]

Thanks!

[marsh sentinel]

yeah and that's what irks me a tid bit. Like I like the possibility of upgrading to the polaris since the description makes it seem like it's a bigger version to the carrack's abilities

but I don't want to try and search to buy one if it's not gonna have the same features but with a much bigger hangar

[marsh sentinel]

true@vivid sleet money isn't an issue just prefer a proper investment if u will lol

carrack has nice all around and more cargo than the polaris but man that lfight fighter hangar is just ........smexy

[manic whale]

I´m using the Thrustmasters throttle action for Accel. limiter and the pinky wheel for mining laser. Both set to Sensitivity=1; Deadzone=0

[stoic hawk]

So I'm looking at grinding out the last 500k on bounties to nab a prospector to look into quant mining, as I had a lot of fun with it during the last free fly it was available. Is selling refined ore still borked? I definitely remember never being able to sell anything last time I mined.

[teal wing]

Should be okay now, the market was super saturated during the free fly because lots of people were using the free Prospector.

You may still have to wait while selling during busy times though.

[stoic hawk]

Ahh fair enough, as long as its not likely to take me 2hrs to sell a freelancer full I'll take it.

Time to get grinding when I'm home from work I guess!

[ornate rock]

It got worse this patch afaik, doesn't help that the most recent patch also seems to have introduced some big with the aUEC database

[pallid temple]

It's still fucked

It's been fucked since this time last year

[ornate rock]

Half of the IC is money bug reports

[pallid temple]

Yeah I lost money too

Lost the million I got from XenoThreat

[stoic hawk]

Logged in -250k yesterday, saw a couple peeps in chat down 2m

[pallid temple]

Feels like a lifetime ago since the 3.9 Infinite Laranite Rush

[stoic hawk]

So uhh, does this mean selling mined quant is not a good play or are you guys talking about literal trade runs in cats etc?

[pallid temple]

Both

[stoic hawk]

Eurghh

Going out of my head doing bounties aha

[rustic jackal]

As in, don’t bother doing mining right now to make bank?

[stoic hawk]

That's the question, seem to be getting different answers from different people

Would like to get something concrete before I drop 2m on a prospector and bankrupt myself

[manic whale]

better spend the money before you are visited by the aUEC "thief" 😄

[wintry ruin]

It's honestly not reaaaaly worth grinding up cash for any reason with the aUEC bug at present unless you can buy a ship or components with it asap as they don't seem to bug out like that.

I lost the 2mil I made on XT I was saving for the 4 and a bit mil Valk. Ah well.

[rustic jackal]

Yeah…fair, when xeno was on I was saving up then buying a ship ASAP as you say

[wintry ruin]

Some people have even reported buying shit, logging in the next day, they still got the stuff they bought and the money is back

[rustic jackal]

Now it feels much more risky with how long the grind is

[wintry ruin]

Mhhm. If you're close to it then yea, stop talking and start grinding it out.

I was only halfway there and just taking it slow after the XT binge but the cash evaporated and I'm like 🤷

[rustic jackal]

Aye, I’m personally not. Want a coni and only at 1mil right now

[wintry ruin]

Oh well. Just fly around and have some fun.

[rustic jackal]

Exactly

[wintry ruin]

Welcome to the Connie club when you get one then!

[rustic jackal]

🙂

[deft sequoia]

which header do u reccomend for quant mining?

[rustic jackal]

Most of the guides seem to recommend a lancet, in my experience it’s mega under powered but I think that’s the idea. You use that plus a surge module to get you to where you need to be

[raw shell]

seems extra hard to find any quantanium rocks over 2% today

haven't found any

[finite berry]

seems to have been very much the norm of late

[inland lily]

3.14 made them a lot rarer

[bright flame]

It's underpowered, but it will crack any space-rock, and the wobble and green zone will be much more managable.

[rustic jackal]

Is it just a matter of waiting then?

If you don’t use a surge?

I get in really close and put it on full power but on some rocks it does nout

[bright flame]

It can take 2-3 minutes for it to get up to the green zone, yes.

If it's not going up on a space rock (Planet-side rocks can be impossible to crack with only one laser), then make sure you're are close enough. There's a bar at the top right that should say 'Optimal'. If it says 'Sufficient' or 'Insufficient' then you're not close enough

[teal wing]

I find it depends on the instability of the rock pushing your progress up, which means it can take a while if you don't have much luck. Lancet can (iirc) crack any sub-5199 mass asteroid (so all of them), but it doesn't mean it will be quick

[rustic jackal]

Aye, cheers, I made sure I was close enough but fair enough that it can take minutes.

[manic whale]

see, and I get the best result with Lancet vs. Quant rock with +-35m , what is labeled as "sufficient" only 😄

[chrome mural]

Eh

How

[bright flame]

Which is why I use Surges, as that knocks off that 1-2 minutes of wiating to fill up

[chrome mural]

Where do you get surges?

[bright flame]

It's possible that being further back reduces the wobble to make it easier to keep in the green zone, but I'm not sure on that.

[bright flame]

https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ShipMiningMods1/46643b07-bb39-4ac1-83e4-d428f0c01a75

[rustic jackal]

Is one usually enough or do you use two? I’ve been using two just to have e a backup and also have a stampede as per the popular vid on the tubes

[chrome mural]

Thx

[bright flame]

I run 1 Brandt and 2 Surge. Each of them has 5 charges, so that'll last me 3-4 outings, usually, as I tend to break 2-3 rocks per group in my MOLE.

Stampede always caues re-scans for me, which has led to blowing rocks up more often than I like, so I just don't use them.

[rustic jackal]

Ah maybe that has also been my problem

[gritty pasture]

hello, can i use normal mining mode prospector for quan ?i mean i just bought prospector and havent upgraded it

i mean without modules.

[bright flame]

You can break a 10-15% Quant rock with the default setup, but to do more than that you need a Lancet mining head.

Other than that, you do not need modules at all, they just make it faster or easier.

You can also use Helix mining head, but that's hard mode for Quant mining.

[ocean juniper]

is mining profitable anymore?

[rustic jackal]

Question, can I leave the stuff at the refinery for however long I want? As in, do I need to collect it within a certain timeframe? Are there any bugs with leaving it there? Just thinking of making a big stash then going to buy a ship to mitigate against the aUEC but atm

[bright flame]

Very. I have over 5 million aUEC worth of jobs cooking in the refinery right now

[bright flame]

Jobs will get wiped whenever a patch is released, such as 3.14 and 3.14.1. So, don't leave them there forever. However, they will persist through character reset and don't have a timer on them exactly. I've had one sit there for almost two weeks.

[rustic jackal]

Ahh, I see, fair enough. I’ll see how I get on in the next few days, cheers

[lethal walrus]

man

why is the carrack so expensive. Id try to save up for it with aUEC but every time I log in my bank account is almost zeroed out

[tardy cosmos]

I mean, It's the carrack

[lethal walrus]

600 buks man

600!

so how did people wind up getting the carrack. Did all these people buy it or somehow am I missing something with money making

[north oyster]

Carrack is a fun ship and maybe the only true exploration ship currently available (considering the incoming "healing" stuff). They'll need to rebalance the abilities of the top tier beds for exploration

[wintry ruin]

This seems backwards... I wouldn't want to take a Mole in atmosphere very often

[bright flame]

It's definitely challenging to sling the MOLE around in atmopshere, but it's very doable. Alternatively you can do a two-Prospector team and try to find a big rock that'll fill both ships.

[wintry ruin]

Need to get the thing with the ejectable pods already so the Prospector can just hoover the ore up (eject the inert materials like the fluff says it can do) and have someone else haul it back to the refinery while you keep microwaving.

[inland lily]

My prospector's pods have been missing since 3.14.1 .... thankfully they are purely cosmetic

[wintry ruin]

Yea but they're meant to be ejectable

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/p8wbirojgctc1r/source/MISC_Prospector_Storage.jpg

Also the miner's meant to be a tractor beam too which wold be handy for just nudging rocks you don't want to mine away

[inland lily]

Oh indeed, like the modular aspects of the Cat ... and some day ... some day ... some glorious day ... both will be a thing

[wintry ruin]

And it's supposed to be able to filter out inert materials on the fly so you just get pure raw ore back to the refinery...

😭

[tardy flower]

You will be able to drop bags, put empty new one and go back to mine.

[tardy flower]

To filter the inerte you can buy item for your mining head

[wintry ruin]

I do but the fluff on the prospector says the inert is meant to come out the back of the ship

[tardy flower]

I hope for that!

[proper phoenix]

which laser do i need for mining in Prospector?

[distant berry]

hey im looking to join maybe a group or just help someone im trying to learn and make money i plan on being online a for a few hours lmk

[inland lily]

lancet 1 is the one used by many Pup; lower power than Helix but more controllable

[proper phoenix]

noted

do i need any modules for it?

[tight crescent]

Do we know what causes the ROC to stop gaining charge level?

I'd like to overcome it rather than having to fly back and forward 200 times 😂

[proper phoenix]

[frail roost]

I personally run a Reiger C3 (larger Green zone) , a Surge module (+40% Charge instantly, cuts out several minutes of waiting), and a FLTR-XL(reduces Inert intake) on my lancet.

[ancient ivy]

i wanna know how they manage this as you can have 8 extra bags if you fill them all and give them to someone else to go refine how do you get more if they dissapear with them? do they get empty bags back to give back to me or do i pay for 12 more. im curious.

[wintry ruin]

There's another ship designed to pick them up.

Presumably you'd buy more from any old refinery station but it'd be for pennies, I hope. They're empty space bags.

[cinder merlin]

I cant manage to find hand mineble ores for the roc

[violet viper]

Fly really low (just above collision alert) and really slow (around 50ms). Rocks are > 10km apart and you can scan only 1.2km. So luck is also a mandatory requirement.

[manic whale]

there should be 3x4 extra cargo pods in Prospector, as it is described as 128SCU (1x32installed + 3x32in reserve). Just like MOLE should have another 3x6 pods in reserve. Also, If everything´s going as planned, it should be the Hull-series what would transfer the pods to Orion/Starfarer/Station with refinery. Hull being in roadmap (although just Hull-C and Hull-A later, another variants shouldnt be hard to add), Starfarer (or another ship which was stated as Starfarer to maybe not spoil the new unannounced ship) said as capable of refining, it looks like the mining circle begins to close slowly 🤓 🙏

Hull-B - 384SCU = 3xProspector (128 * 3) or 1x MOLE (96 * 4)

[ancient ivy]

Nice!!

[manic whale]

Just theory, but compiled from already available informations

[cedar flower]

doesnt the proespector only have 32 SCU?

[manic whale]

yes, for now, without the cargo pods swapping feature

[cedar flower]

ohhh, so it carries extra empty bags with it?

thats cool

[bold finch]

Doesn't matter cause QT blows up in minutes

[bright flame]

I could see mining ops where you have a Hull A or Hull B flying between the mining group(s) picking up full containers and flying back to station to drop off before splody, allowing the miners to stay out in the field.

Or if its dangerous space, a Railen

[blissful oxide]

Maybe the RAFT too if it's true

[bold finch]

Isn't there going to be cargo ships that can transport QT with no timer?

[bright flame]

I'm not aware of such a thing, though the Orion should be able to just process it in the field.

[steel cobalt]

Prospectors filling up a moored c2

[wintry ruin]

Fly low. Like really low. Low enough that you're just cresting small hills and have to get out of the way of big ones (Do this on the sunward side of a planet unless you're confident at night flying... even then just do it during the day)

Keep the speed low. 100m/s or less.

Tap Tab to ping the scanner. You'll see either cube icons which are too far for the scanner to identify, rock icons which are prospector mineable big deposits or gem icons which are Roc/hand minable deposits. You want the gems. However you have to be close first.

Watch for cube icons appearing on your HUD. If they show a cube icon anywhere from 10km-2km, they're going to turn into larger rock icons when you get closer, and thus are worthless.

If they're still a cube at 2km or less, that's a roc/hand minable and what you're looking for. Get closer and it'll turn to a gem icon. Land, get out, do your thing. Rinse repeat.

Few things to be aware of like the Roc's components seem to fail quickly. If you can't get it back into your ship to fly back in time you'll have to empty it into your personal inventory manually, leave and reclaim the Roc and fly back to sell it.

There's also many cases of deposits being unminable. You can dump all the energy you like into them, they won't even blink. There's no known work around for this last I checked and it happens as much as half the time or more if you're unlucky.

[north oyster]

CIG is reporting a total database wipe for 3.15

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/currency-hotfix-and-upcoming-wipes/4335834

[marble quail]

Hi guys. New propector miner here. Is there a minimum amount you need to sell QT at A18 after refining? I'm looking at the SC trade tools site and do you actually need 50,000 minimum? I think I only got 1700 from my first attempt.

[bright flame]

Nope. You can refine exactly 1 unit of Quant if you want.

A18 and the other TDD centers will get flooded and won't accept any more if some other player came in just before you and offloaded a full C2.

You'll need to either come back later or server hop to find one that has available inventory

[marble quail]

Very helpful. Thank you. So that first run of mine is only worth around 150k? What's a good number to make per hour in the prospector?

[bright flame]

1700 quant will be around 130-150k depending on current Quant price. It fluxuates between 80 and 85 per unit depending on how many people are selling, though it's usually only 80-81.

Ideally you'll get at least 2000 refined quant per run, so 1700 is pretty alright. As you get better at finding rocks and picking out the purest chunks, you'll get better at filling the Prospector with only Quant and get that average up over 2500 refined per run.

[marble quail]

Really good to know. So the dinyx still pays around 130-150k? Thats the best option if you can wait the longer processing time right?

[bright flame]

Dynx and Ferron are the only ones worth doing as they have 95% return. Others either cost too much or take too high of a cut from refined ore. Ferron costs twice as much, but takes about 1/3 the time, so it's up to you if you value expedience over efficiency.

[marble quail]

Got it. Is there a max payload you can carry once it's refined? Can't seem to find it on the wiki.

[bright flame]

Only the payload capacity of your hauling vessel. Cutty Black can take 48 SCU (Hence why getting >20 is good as a Cutty can carry two loads), but a Caterpillar can take 576 SCU. If you're brave, you can fill it completely and haul everything in one go. You just might struggle to sell all of it without a lot of server hopping.

[wintry ruin]

Kinda figured this'd be coming what with the changes to inventory

[north oyster]

Very true. I enjoyed being a venture capitalist helping new players. I built hundreds of million in aUEC before, I will do it again

[north oyster]

What ship do you have to carry your product to the TDD?

[marble quail]

I have a prospector. Only been playing a few weeks. Mined my first QT today. Just trying to learn the ropes.

[north oyster]

Ok, but you need to rent out own another ship to take the refined ore from the refinery to the trade center

[wintry ruin]

Low cost, high yield is the way to go. Forget about the time constraint. Just think in terms of multiples of your cargo running ship's and make it a long term project. Work it out so you can fill roughly just your whole inventory of your ship once or twice or five times, fill the refinery with work orders and leave it 'till the next day. Come back, make a few cargo runs.

[wintry ruin]

...Can I borrow like four mil when the 3.15 goes live please? I was halfway to a valk when I lost the 2mil from XT! XD

[marble quail]

Oh really? I didn't know that. So the prospector won't bring it to sell? I thought all i needed was a prospector to make money lol. All i have for other ships is a titan avenger

[bright flame]

Correct. You need 2 ships to handle refined quant. You can sell direct to the refinery from the Prospector, but at 1/2 value.

Once its refined, you have to collect it and store it in a different ship and then fly that ship to A18 or another planet with a TDD.

[wintry ruin]

You can sell the ore directly at the refinery but it's worth half the value if you'd have refined it

[marble quail]

so i could use my titan avenger to fly it to A18? just a smaller load

[wintry ruin]

You also just sell it all in the one lump, or refine it all in one. I wish we could sell the quartz, beryl and the like at the refinery then refine just the good stuff but cest la vi

[bright flame]

Only if your refined load can fit. The Titan can only fit 8 SCU and you can't load a ship that doesn't have enough room.

So, best bet is to rent a Cutlass Black from the downstairs shop until you have enough funds to purchase one.

[marble quail]

thanks for all the tips. i've watched some videos but they leave a lot out.

[wintry ruin]

Huh, I've not tried to over load a ship yet, I just assumed anything spare would be lost

[wintry ruin]

This is another good reason to save up several loads of ore.

[bright flame]

I still occasionally learn something new. There's a lot of little details that experienced players just get used to and don't think to mention.

[raw shell]

is there anything you can do when your ROC just runs out of power and dies? Lights come on but no mining and wont' move. I have 200 SCU hadanite in the back too

It won't let me drop the stuff into a crate either

[north oyster]

We have a member who hires for training and mining. You will earn a fair amount while you learn the ropes. Just ask for @thin escarp

[wintry ruin]

I need to remember this...

[north oyster]

I sent you a DM 🙂

[wintry ruin]

It'll min-max your cost of renting the ship against having SEVERAL trips worth of ore to sell before you return to mining. Drake black fits 46 SCU so get anywhere from 180ish SCU woth of ore to pick up at the refinery then rent one...

And because you're hauling the valuable ore, fly the route you intend to fly without anything in the hold first. Get you used to the ship, and hopefully if there's any crashes to be had they'll hapen when you're not carrying your goods.

Thank you thank you xd

[raw shell]

why no store all commodities? 😦

[thin escarp]

I'll def be mining alot more once wipe hits.

maybe have my operation twice a week

[north oyster]

LOL, yep, I'll be rebuilding my empire again too

[wintry ruin]

Count me in, Cross.

[thin escarp]

but yes i always down to train and help people learn.

[north oyster]

My core fleet was built on the basis of "rebuilding from the wipe"

[north oyster]

too much for the suit, you need to split it

Or, are you making a box?

I think it's limited to 50 gems (I might be wrong here)

[thin escarp]

@north oyster yeah it wont hurt me to bad. i mean losing a billion sucks but. i wont really lose my key ships.

[wintry ruin]

I take it ships bought in game will be wiped too?

[marble quail]

i definitely need some mining training from @thin escarp

[thin escarp]

@wintry ruin yeah

@marble quail i gotchu

[marble quail]

that'd be awesome man. only been playing a few weeks and did my first QT load today on lyria to arcL1. have a lot to learn

[wintry ruin]

I need to head to bed, at most, in an hour and a half or I might make a night of it with you now, Jefe.

[marble quail]

yeah i'm actually "working" from home right now. i probably won't be able to get on again for about 3 hours until my kid goes to bed. but i typically get on every night.

[north oyster]

It's great to see you stay focused and on task, when I hit about 750M I sort of lost my motivation. That irritated me, so I started to fund "projects" for other players, LOL

[raw shell]

usually it dumps the entire cargo into a crate but guess it won't on a moon surface?

[north oyster]

I might be wrong, but I think you need to be in a ship to take that action

[raw shell]

yes it appears so. I have to load a few into my pack, walk to the ship, then I can put it in a crate. The ROC keeps over heating. Any way to prevent this?

[thin escarp]

@north oyster i gave away around 750 mil to new players in the last year. so i was just like you ha

[wintry ruin]

I need to get into you guyses servers more... xd

[north oyster]

Some of us where fortunate to fly during the great trade boom and then when mining was even more lucrative. When the ROC came out, some planets and moons were 100% hadanite!! talk about quick turnovers

[wintry ruin]

Pfff, must have been between updates I played then

WTB one more week of XT without server crashes and aUEC vanishing off the ledger when 3.15 comes out, plz.

[north oyster]

That would be really good if they had another XT so that extra funds could be earned pretty quick

[wintry ruin]

Not only was that fun and hella bank making, it was fun seeing a server of up to fifty randos all working towards one goal. Even more fun the spontaneous groups that came out of that for actual organisation and god DAMN I've got some good memories out of that last week. Not just the epic space fights form both single seater ship and multi-crew gun boat perspectives but on the earlier phase of cargo running... GIGGLES were had

[north oyster]

True, I think CIG has found something solid. I hope they build on that wisely

[wintry ruin]

It would but honestly... the cash would be secondary. I just want to rope the friends I made out of the last one up for more Antics and see what we get up to with new friends.

But too much of a good thing. Not even sever crashes and all, just that having it too often would ruin the magic

I hear there was another event that happened some time ago other than Xeno, might be a good alternative.

[north oyster]

The Nine Tails Lockdown, but it didn't flow nearly as well. Many of the aspects of the event were broken

[wintry ruin]

I captioned this one: antics
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/884375109538828318/884556076991795270/unknown.png

Someone over voice "Don't get too close to the edge, you'll lag out."
Someone else getting too close to the door "Oh shit..."

[elfin bronze]

What ship is that?

[raw shell]

Looks like the valk

[wintry ruin]

Valk

We had the full 'nam playlist blaring on the bot

[bold finch]

Does your ship even lift bruh?

[coarse current]

Hey Guys 🙂 - Where do I find a good miningspot?

[full bronze]

check out some of the 3rd party websites

https://uexcorp.space/ships

[wintry ruin]

#industrial-professions message

[wintry ruin]

https://gyazo.com/9625bd9c4bf1460e57f1f35874351060

4x100% chunks and another at 60 something

And the lifts aren't coming...

120k at the refinery terminal. If a wipe wasn't impending I'd be rich! 🤣

[wintry ruin]

Anyone know how wide a Herc's cargo bay is?

I need to know for, ah... reasons...

[floral prism]

you cant land?

[wintry ruin]

I just need to know if the bay is eight meters wide or more....

[floral prism]

ah cant confirm that, but there are youtube videos with what fits inside a herc lol

[wintry ruin]

OMG, something like 11 Merlin's... Carrier time.

[floral prism]

yea its not bad at all, will also be pretty good when we get races in, will be a nice racing ships freight

[wintry ruin]

I keep meaning to bring one ot Daymar and blast through the canyons but the one with the connie always spawns down a wing and even when I do re-dock the stand alone one something always distracts me

[north oyster]

with the reverse thruster bug, it might take canyon runs to a whole new level in a game of Lawn Darts.

[wintry ruin]

Idk about a bug?

Where are the good canyons these days anyway? Last time j been there I only found ones a few hundred meters long. Used to be they went for kilometres

[teal mountain]

[tardy flower]

Greetings everyone,

Trade is in a very bad situation. Can you explain me why we have stock problem and if 3.15 will fixe that.

Thanks 😉

[inland lily]

Supply/demand is supposed to be driven by a background service called quanta which is effectively the background 'verse sim; atm that's still a work in progress, so don't expect things to change with trade in 3.15

It could of course; cross fingers, but I wouldn't rely/start making plans for trade making a miraculous recovery anytime soon

[floral prism]

3.15 will prob make it worse tbf :S

at least in the first weeks/month bc after wipe everyone will be grinding again the auec lol

and not everyone will have a ship suited for bounties

[stoic hawk]

Easy start for my fellow trash pledge ships, halt illegal surveillance 4 times, spend the 80k on a Connie rental for the day then turbogrind bounties until gg rich

[north oyster]

Here's Jack Axton's rundown on the "state of trade". It's detailed and exposes an issue that frankly I don't think CIG was even aware of:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/possible-explanation-to-why-trade-is-bad-right-now/4036253

When anyone posits on the future, we don't seem to get any clarity from CIG. In fact, CIG pretty much refuses to acknowledge any issues on the subject, which is a point of contention.

I purchased a Hercules C2 that can either haul scrap or haul a tonk, there is nothing else. Then CIG came out with another cargo ship to sell. All the while, there is nothing in the game that supports trade. I don't see 3.15 being any better because there has not been one sentence from CIG to the contrary.

[bright flame]

My take on it is that intra-system trade is supposed to be poor. The corporations that own Stanton already have the resources they need from the planets they have. A 5-minute journey is not going to pay well or have much throughput.

Things were artifically inflated many patches ago so CIG could see how players traded and used the systems that trade involves. However, that's all done and Stanton is back to where it should be in the big-picture.

Once Pyro opens, as well as other systems, trade is going to be big again, as moving goods across systems is going to take time, and there will be matterials and goods that are rare/non-existant in one system and abundant in another.

So, trade is already tested, CIG doesn't need any more tests of the system, in its current state. However, once inter-system trade comes into being it's going to be a hot item and probably the best way to make aUEC for a while.

[ornate rock]

"fixing" trade is a waste of dev resources

a replacement is in the pipeline, until that's ready nothing will change

just cause people insist on messing around with a broken system should not take away resources developing the new one.

[north oyster]

Translation: It fubar, but that's ok

[quaint island]

guys does anyone know howmuch it will cost to fully refuel a C2

[north oyster]

Hydrogen and Quantium?

I've never let mine get that low on runs around Stanton. The stock QT engine is trash, so I use the TS-2

QT fuel is 88K and Hydrogen is over 20M

[craggy garden]

hey what do I do if im stuck in a cave on delamar

[north oyster]

unfortunately, Backspace if you are trapped

I wonder how they are going to deal with things like that in 3.15

[ornate rock]

Delamar?

what magic did you use, sir?

[gusty plinth]

Someone tell me not to buy a caterpillar so I can talk myself out of it

[thorny copper]

if you want a hauler the C2 is much better bang for back in the near futures meta

[gusty plinth]

But is the c2 on pledge yet? Cause I love the c2 and the msrs design

[thorny copper]

caterpillar is kind of a one trick pony in its current state, can't load vehicles because no ramp or lift, only does cargo (and maybe some crew combat), while C2 not only has 120scu more but can also load several vehicles or even small ships

C2 is in the pledge store, it might be temporarly unavailable though

[gusty plinth]

Honestly that's a better argument for against that I ever thought to get.

[thorny copper]

if you plan on keeping the cat for long it might be worth to pledge since it will improve with more features at some point, but in the current state of the game it kinda suffers vs the competitors

[gusty plinth]

Hauling is a want of mine. The c2 design is much more appealing than the cat. The crusader line overall is a great look. Even if the msr has the worst entry method.

[thorny copper]

yeah I'm liking the C2 quite a bit, used to do a lot of hauling in the cat but trading has been suffering for long now, it will improve with player database getting wiped in 3.15 hopefully

[gusty plinth]

Yeah. It's weird cause trade is such an easy concept numbers wise. Not sure why they've ignored it for so long

[thorny copper]

for whatever reason adjusting the inventory database to make up for the broken exploited economy of the game isn't a priority, I can only assume they have some larger plans for how the whole thing should run with the whole inventory etc rework to hold off this long

[bright flame]

As this is alpha software, testing takes priority over gameplay. The current trade system is broken, but it's also being replaced once server meshing comes online, so any time spent getting the current system working would be a waste of time and purely to appease trade-minded players. So, it will almost certainly be broken, unless fixing some other important component fixes trade in the process, until server meshing comes online.

[winter raptor]

Anyone got a poor man's miner build?

[sharp latch]

Is the vulture in game?

[pallid temple]

No

Its expected at some point early next year

[sharp latch]

Love it! I feel like I joined the verse at the right time!

[cedar flower]

Also consider the Hull series if you like to haul

Cargo most likely will see improvements in 3.16 when the mighty Hull C comes around

[bold fjord]

is daymar good for mining?

[north oyster]

For the Prospector? Lancet is pretty cheap, you'll want to get a couple of surge to have on hand

[north oyster]

For ROC or Prospector?
ROC mining is dead this patch.
I would say Aaron's Halo is one of the best spots for mining

[bold fjord]

roc mining yeah

[north oyster]

ROC suffers because PING is worthless to find deposits

I would suggest Aberdeen or Arial

You'll need the Pembroke armor

[tribal bloom]

whats the best place to medical supplies for 9 tails

[acoustic patrol]

shipwreck

[thin escarp]

magda is also a new hotspot for roc mining

[slim kernel]

Is cargo running really as bad as people are telling me rn, currently just got my carrack and was hoping to do some runs

[acoustic patrol]

good luck get soem cargo

[dim igloo]

I really hope that they release a new cargo system soon

its my favourite thing to do

[marble crater]

moving over from Elite I definitely miss a bit of space trucking

[coarse cape]

just wait for cargo refractor lol

[marble crater]

not much point in pvp piracy when there's nothing to trade with

guess there will just be a line of interceptors camped at Area 18 trying to get Quantainium maybe?

[acoustic patrol]

sc trading be like spending 3 mil of cargo to earn 250k
assume you get enough cargo

[open ginkgo]

should i do a ship upgrade from a tali to a cat?

[tardy flower]

What do you want to do with a Caterpillar ? More cargo, be modular?

[open ginkgo]

ye

i think hauling cargo to pay for other ships could be a way to go

love the design of the tali but rn after you shot the 6 torpedos it becomes a bit useless

or you just do deliveries

but i see hauling rn is bad?

[inland lily]

Yep, v bad

[tardy flower]

Nevers useless with a crew

[tardy flower]

Still CIG fixe it 😉

[inland lily]

That feeling you are getting after shooting the 6th torp will be magnified 1000th fold doing any cargo runs until the system changes

[acoustic patrol]

tali is mini hammerhead without torp

for reference, if you self s9 torp your tali would become red with 25000 repair cost

[north oyster]

If you want to do trade and not worried about over the top profit, there are routes you can do. Scrap from A18 to PO, then run to Celin to one of the farms and get processed food to take back to A18. The whole cycle will gross you about 40k.

[inland lily]

Do it in a C2 and you'll eat like 20k in fuel, but if you absolutely HAVE to trade 😉

[north oyster]

Not near that much for fuel, in my experience. I use that route to knock the dust off my C2 every now and then

[inland lily]

its the farm leg that eats into it

[proud sapphire]

question, I want to load a vehicle into my ship. If I retrieve both, will they will in the same hangar/pad?

[inland lily]

No

[proud sapphire]

so what is the best way?

[north oyster]

They may offer that one day

[inland lily]

Easiest way is to take the ship to one of the outposts, land on big pad, goto blue light hab and summon the vehicle, then drive vehicle into ship

[north oyster]

[proud sapphire]

i see thanks

[north oyster]

Come to think of it, that is going to be a big issue in 3.15

I'm still convinced that 3.15 is Alpha 4

[inland lily]

Beginning to feel that way @north oyster

[glacial saffron]

I'm scanning cellin and found seven stones, looks like gold, titanium and copper. I'm not sure how much that is worth. Does anyone want it.

[wintry ruin]

I'm exaggerating, but not by a lot:
A rock of pure titanium or gold is probably worth less than a rock of about ten percent Laranite, Bexalate, Borase or Hephastanite. (Sp) And of course, Quant is the juciest of them all.

[glacial saffron]

Cool, thanks for the info. I'll keep scanning

[wintry ruin]

I found a rock that, once I broke it down, gave me four whole chunks of Quant at 100%, and I topped up the tanks with one at 60% + random crap. That one rock was worth about 220k after refining and that was dumping some less valuable ores and selling just the Quant and the half an SCU of Borase.

[glacial saffron]

Are their planets or astroid area that are the best right now, or is it all spread out?

[wintry ruin]

Also if you see a rock that has 'only' modest percentages of the above valuable stuff, don't be affraid to break that in half. If you get lucky you can get all the good ores in one chunk and the junk ores in the rest.

This is prospctor mining, fyi. The maths is different with a Mole with a larget cargo hold

[glacial saffron]

right now for mining I only have a ROC, so I figure I'll let others know if I find something else.

[wintry ruin]

Aaaaah

Well you're not breaking the bigger rocks with that xd

If you get a prospector, head to Crusader L1, QT towards Arc L3 (I think) and drop out of QT about 11.5mil km away. You'll drop in the middle of an asteroid belt and probably be surrounded by Quant rocks.

Load up then fly back to Cru L1 to refine it at the refinery there (that has a +3% bonus to Quan yield)

[glacial saffron]

Nice. I'll probably wait for 3.15 to grind up to a prospector. Hadn't thought about dropping out of Qt to search for belts though, that sounds interesting.

[wintry ruin]

As for hand minables, I believe Lyra and Magda have been touted as places for those but there's so many bugs and the scanner is so nerfed trying to find them it's not really worth it

You can see the belt on the map and in lore it's dense enough you can't QT through it but that mechanic's not implemented yet.

[glacial saffron]

Ohh, yeah, I see it on the map. that is interesting. The longer I play the game, the more I learn. Pretty cool so far.

[wintry ruin]

Any questions ask away, that's what this server is for!

[glacial saffron]

Thanks! I will.

[dusk whale]

having issues with cracking rocks and the energy meter getting interrupted by the scanning progress bar - everyone else having that happen or just me?

answered my own question, seems like it's not just me 🙂 https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-9980

[regal sedge]

Well

Went for a 3 hours surface mining run

Had 4 crates full of hadanite

Game freezed

Alt+F4

Hadanite lost

Lil reesumee of my SC Afternoon

[pure frost]

roc lazer isnt moving when i hit m

[wintry ruin]

Put the lazor on at 0% thottle and keep it at 0. If you need to stop putting energy because you've got too much, don't turn it off. That's what seems to trigger the re-scan. Instead drop it to 0 as quickly as possible while leaving it on.

If you have a slider, knob, throttle etc on a stick I'd recommend using that.

[dusk whale]

Rescan triggers on consumables too. Or moving the laser regardless of power. I use a slider already

[queen coral]

So I just a ship that can mine can I get a tutorial on how to mine stuff.

And what I need to do.

[acoustic patrol]

you get close to a rock
you press v
you press and hold left mouse
you press m
you scroll wheel up
you press and hold left mouse until the bar reach green zone
keep going

[river shale]

Anyone know why ive got Consumer goods on my ship

and what are they

[sharp latch]

Do you have e a couple 100k to donate to a long lost friend?

Lul just teasing.

Yo rock when you getting the motorbike license?

Did you start classes yet?!

[azure ledge]

hey whare can i currently go to rent a prospector?

[shell edge]

@azure ledge At Refineries at L1-stations (like CRU-L1, Hur-L1 etc)

[thin escarp]

@azure ledge dont rent!

its a huge waste of money

cant change the laser off it.

[foggy spear]

Well hello all, I'm considering the game. I have played a bit of elite dangerous. How flushed out is mining and trade? Is there an up to date guide I can check out. Just doing some homework before I purchase.

[coarse cape]

trade is kinda fucked atm

mining for some people is also kinda fucked with a lot of dud rocks

[foggy spear]

Well thanks, how are other aspects of the game?

[languid current]

After mining a full load of ore in my ROC I disconnected and now I'm spawned back away from my ROC and ship it was parked in the back of. Does all my ore disappear inside the ROC does anyone know? Or if I fly all the way back there it'll still be in it's inventory?

[oak lake]

Highly recommend playing during freefly or buying the game and returning if you don't like it, one month return policy. Being part of the community for a week or two can definitely tell you how you'll like the game in the longer term. See if you can tag along with some folks with big ships too. Mining is a great money maker, so is bounty hunting

[wintry ruin]

If I had to pick one word: Buggy.

[steel cobalt]

so in near future we can upgrade thrusters or downgrade them etc ?

[wintry ruin]

https://gyazo.com/1653131bf26d4f58542e54667d95918a

[wintry ruin]

I heard a rumour this'd be next update at orison but just a rumour

[steel cobalt]

nods

i want so SUPER soup up my MSR thrusters

:3 or downgrade my sabres to the point its invis in 3 digits in ir

lucas mentioned at some point minn falcon was inspierd by some guy in his tudio about moonshine runners, orinary car souped up caddy v8 in em

intresting tbo

run on blend of gasoline and moonshine too lol for extra oomph gotta stay away from the 'law

[north oyster]

Odd one sided conversation it seems

[north oyster]

I joined back in 2014 but never really played until last year. It is a blast to play, steep learning curve as you may imagine. Overall if one keeps the fact that this is an open development (sandbox) "demonstration" instead of a polished game, then you will really enjoy it. The scale and scope is unparalleled by any game. But it's a two edge sword, you will get really frustrated if you think its going to be anything close to a polished game. Trade has been abandoned until the company finishes the cargo refactoring. Mining is solid despite the resurface of bugs. ROC (remote ore collector) mining is hamstrung because of the new PING system, but that will be hopefully addressed in the next patch.

Speaking of the next patch, that will more than likely be the next Alpha version (my opinion) because of the massive changes coming.

@foggy spear at the end of the ship showdown there might be a free fly. If not, then there is CitizenCon on Oct 9th I would recommend attending for a good overview. Pretty sure there will be some surprises despite Leaks best efforts.

IAE in November is a great time to check out the game also.

[lethal walrus]

anyone know where to sell SLAM?

[inland lily]

CRU-L5 hidden terminal

Dont expect to sell large volume at any high rate though

[lethal walrus]

dang

I bought 200k worth

[inland lily]

Just leave whatever its in parked at CRU-L5 and pop by there every now and again 😉

[lethal walrus]

is there a way to move storage from one container to another. Its all in my carrack

[inland lily]

Not currently

Semi-academic atm with 3.15 on the horizon and both the cargo and the aUEC its worth disappearing anyway. Put it down to a learning experience about how demand volumes for anything rare are busted atm

[north oyster]

demand is for practically everything is busted (not just rare) because for each 30k, the whole system thinks that everything in that crashed server was "purchased" causing the game to destroy all spawn rates and prices.

[north oyster]

FYI: Showdown freefly is up until September 29, 20:00 UTC with discounted starter packs
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/18322-Discounted-Starter-Packs

[foggy spear]

Thank you all for the information. I will definitely check out free fly when I get some time later this week.

[livid kernel]

Question, is selling mined by hand stuff like hadanite working? I can't seem to select my inventory at the sell terminals

[ember star]

You can only sell them at specific terminals

[livid kernel]

Interesting ok, any advice where I can go? I've been to all the major cities and a few mining outposts so far

[bright flame]

I like that boulder. That is a nice boulder.

[bold finch]

About as good as it gets

Funny thing is that you’d fill up on QT long before you’d mined it all

Then again you must be in a mole so maybe not

[bright flame]

Yep, MOLE'n it. Got the whole thing and a 20% er nearby, too. Tis why I fly that big ol brick

[bold finch]

It’s risky with 30ks but a big payoff indeed if you can nab it all in time. I just have terrible luck finding rocks more than 20-30%

[bright flame]

I definitely don't find the best rocks on every outting, but I average about 50 SCU per trip with 5-15 minutes of searching to find a good rock. Sometimes it takes upwards of an hour to find a couple 20s, but other days I land right ontop of a juicy set and get 70+. It's quite variable, and I like that

[crimson mantle]

These places buy Hadanite: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Hadanite

[livid kernel]

Appreciate the tools! For sure have used them a lot. I can sell from my ship ok, but just not from my backpack for some reason

[crimson mantle]

Oh, yeah some people say switching a piece of armor may fix it.

Otherwise, "it's an alpha" 😄

[wintry ruin]

Sometimes it's worth breaking down smoler percentages if you find a cluster together. If you're lucky with the split that 8% can all wind up inside one chunk of the fractured rock.

[steel cobalt]

i kind want CIG to build a spaceship version of VVA-14 plane

a protype

[bold finch]

Just a reminder that’s one thing we don’t have… oceans to explore

[wintry ruin]

Yet...

[steel cobalt]

naw it can be a spaceship bc it looks like 1

lol

[tardy flower]

They are océan on Hurston

[coarse cape]

You can explore them…just don’t touch it with your ship…

[manic whale]

With Salvage T0 on roadmap, I dont see any info to on-ship-tractor beam 🧐

...also tractor beam being listed on obvious ships like Cat, Reclaimer.. its should be on Railen and Nomad, even on Gladiator also 🙂

[inland lily]

the ship tractor beams cover a bunch of teams, as its not just for salvage, but also for cargo loading; atm all they have talked in the immediate future is the personal version

[languid current]

Is there a trick to finding Haderite? I am flying about 1k in altitude in my Cutlass Red scanning every chance I get around mountains in Arial but have only found 2 nodes in about 2 hours of flying

[pale crane]

Some people said that pinging for hand mineables is kinda fucked this patch

[languid current]

Damn

[wintry ruin]

The mining lazor on ships needs aa tractor mode even if all it can do is nudge rocks, and only rocks, and only push them away a short distance just so we can sort the piles we're mining. Either that or a means to flag the juicy rocks. Shoot flares at them or something.

[mild pumice]

it only shows up now within 1k so maybe need to get lower, I found some but it was not easy like before

[inland lily]

Tend to find more hand mineables driving around on the surface rather than flying, or just use the cave shortcut

[languid current]

Thanks I think I found the trick, you find the cube shapes and fly low to them like 2k from them and they'll show up as either rocks or the diamond shapes for the haderite

[wild summit]

yo guys

how much will a full ROC of hadanite sell for

roughly

[north oyster]

3.15 had an issue with the new PING that was listed as a "known issue" the whole time it was in PTU. The issue is that PING can not pickup ROC/FPS size deposits unless you are right on top of them (within 1000 meters). Sadly, just before going live, CIG changed the problem of PING into "works as intended" and that is how they killed ROC mining in this patch.

[north oyster]

220K aUEC

Argo Cargo leads C2 Hercules by about 500 votes as of this post with 2.5 hours left open to vote

[sharp pebble]

Whats weird to me is that there are millions of registered users listed on the RSI website but we only have 24k votes.

[north oyster]

that's a ratio that is typical with the human race

[wild summit]

ah ok thanks

[north oyster]

ROC mining is a staple of mine but in this patch it has some serious issues because of the PING. Return on time will be way off for now

[wild summit]

i got nothing lol

after a while it stopped me from mining

the charge wouldn't go up

so I only got 300SCU

[lethal walrus]

my first time https://i.gyazo.com/e1a6e950e638dc02faf6bb82e1053506.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/7f135c61cf648b0f85772aadae24b2cb.jpg

words cannot express

[slow shell]

Noice, I wished I owned one

[north oyster]

That's another bug, the laser and the collector actually switch roles, such a pain. One way to avoid this is to always switch to laser before turning off the Mining Mode. It is certainly a hassle. Another bug is that parts on the ROC are wearing out at an accelerated rate.

[wild summit]

ah I see thanks

[north oyster]

such a great ship

[marble quail]

@north oyster so get this, I was in the MAX last night and was taking a full load of QT to A18. buddy who's pretty new wanted to ride with me in the co-pilot seat. I get right above A18 and am requesting to land and my buddy decides to test if he can turn the engine off. ship shuts down and I couldn't figure out how to get it running again in a matter of seconds before we nosedived and blew up with a full MAX load. lol so tilting

[north oyster]

OUCH, that puts a big check in the "Experience" column. One thing to maybe keep on hand is a short list of important Keybind commands. The engines are controlled by " i " (letter "eye"), U turns off everything, R of course is "ready ship". I use the engines on/off all the time when ROC mining because I turn the engines off each time I exit the cockpit to go mine with the ROC. Then the same letter turns them back ON.

[lilac hedge]

Gib cargo refactor

[marble quail]

yeah it was crazy. i tried I, engines didn't respond, I tried R, nothing. it was like since he turned the ship off it wouldn't let me turn it back on for some reason

[marble quail]

it was definitely an experience. then i went back to lyria to try to make up the money and do some mining and had my first pirate experience. they demanded money. i refused. they blew me up lol

[compact flint]

Is this the wrong channel to ask cargo/mining related questions?

Sorry, new to the game and this discord

[shell edge]

@compact flint Should be exactly the channel

[north oyster]

Welcome to the 'verse!!!

[coarse fog]

when fps mining how do i see where the pieces of mined rock are on my hud?

[shell edge]

@coarse fog you will have to look in your inventory (shortcut press I), there you can see what you have stowed)

[compact flint]

Thank you!

[north oyster]

We're here as you have questions come up

[compact flint]

Okay so I pledged for the prospector, and I’m currently renting the cutlass to deliver, and I was trying to figure out if I should upgrade to a big cargo and rent the prospector to save up for the MOLE or if I should upgrade to the Mole and rent a big cargo to save up for a big cargo

Sorry if that doesn’t make sense, still don’t fully understand myself

Just wanna mine haha

[thin escarp]

@compact flint dont rent the prospector

its awful renting

cant change the stock laaaser at all

[north oyster]

The cutty rental will work if you own the Prospector. The rental Prospector like Cross said is a POS setup, you can't earn back what you invested in the rental cost. You can even sell material raw until you have enough to rent the transport ship. Hopefully by that time the ROC mining will be restored (PING issues) and then you'll have a second method to earn funds mining. I would say look at getting the MAX (in-game currency) when you have enough after the "great reset" of 3.15

[compact flint]

Okay awesome thank you guys so much, I appreciate it. Will I have access to my prospector I pledged for after the reset still?

But yeah I’ll just keep the prospector and not upgrade and go from there once reset happens. Only reason I’m doing so much now is to try to get the hang/feel for the game so when reset happens I’m ready

[north oyster]

Anything you have in your Hanger will be available in the game after the reset. BTW, I sent a DM to you when you get a moment

[compact flint]

Okay cool thank you, and I’ll look right now! Sorry have notifications off

[lavish wharf]

Hello, cargo still worth or absolutely no ? I'd like to began trading with a caterpillar

[bright eagle]

so im new to the game and i was doing a delivery mission. i put half of the packages in my ship, but then i died from the stairs lol. if i recall my ship will it still have the cargo? or will it despawn?

[inland lily]

it will have gone @bright eagle

And not in 3.14 @lavish wharf, demand is still highly gated and your risk of losing cargo is high

[bright eagle]

sorry? what do you mean? am i still able to complete the mission?

[inland lily]

No, the packages will have gone if you recall the ship, so might be wise to abandon the miission and grab another

[bright eagle]

oh

woopds

so i need to cancel

[north oyster]

Trade is still VERY BROKEN. There is not really anything that works. You can practice by doing a scrap run from a TDD to Port Olisar then running over to Celin to one of the farms and picking up processed food to take back to the Admin (Area18 or Lorville, etc). That full loop might make you about 30k or so.

[north oyster]

Since it was a mission, you may have to abandon it and then pick it back up to finish it.

[bright eagle]

it was a contract i just used mission bc i didnt remember what it was called

[north oyster]

Ah, I see Witchspace did answer, sorry for the duplicate

[lavish wharf]

God makes me sad, tought they patched it for Hercules merchant version till they broke it. Well, maybe I should go back minning ?

[north oyster]

I bought a Herc C2 on the illusion that they would fix trade, LOL, silly me

Now for a side trip in the Star Citizen universe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb2ihK0ubRA

[cedar flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHW3w09Lruc

[north oyster]

Interesting concept about the defense aspect, I'm not thinking we'd see it utilized that way but that's just me. I do have the Hull C on my wish list (no interest in the larger classes at the moment). @cedar flower

On this scale we will see trade move away from "owning the cargo" to being contracted to carry the cargo. I see reputation being a key point here also.

[north oyster]

BTW, for some reason, the audio was pretty rough for the first 2-3 minutes. Also seemed to be some distortion and clipping through out on the audio.

[cedar flower]

thats most likely because I use a not so great headset microphone

and propably something messed up on the sound recordings, I tried the voiceover feature of my editing software

[cerulean magnet]

Hey question about mining, does anybody know how the laser beam intensity is done behind the scenes?

Or rather, why it's plagued by input delay and generally being very difficult/unresponsive to changing the intensity?

[pallid temple]

Its because of the FPS and server tick

[cerulean magnet]

Ah so seeing as both are, sort of less than ideal at the moment. There's not much to do other than JusT uPGRADe Ur pc and being lucky with a good server.

[pallid temple]

Basically

[blissful oxide]

isn't the delay intended ?

[pallid temple]

No

[blissful oxide]

oh ok, thought they were

[inland lily]

You can bind the mining laser throttle to an analog throttle in absolute mode; wont help with the delay, but at least you know were it will head to and stop

[north oyster]

This something we've had to deal with ever since they rolled out mining. It's sort of a sudo-rubberbanding. One way to keep tabs on this is to always be adjusting your laser power. When you notice your input not showing up, then you need to pull down because if you charge up, all the charge will be rolled out and dumped in a single moment on the rock. Then you're riding the in the redzone big time.

[cerulean magnet]

So the entire thing is effectively controlled serverside, only listening to inputs from the client? That begs the question, why isn't the intensity controlled clientside?

[blissful oxide]

Might be better to handle multicrew, or prevent hacking/cheating I'd say

[cerulean magnet]

For multicrew I can agree but cheating and hacking I wouldn't necessarily say it could do anything

[north oyster]

the result of the laser impact mining is (apparently seems) managed server side. This might be because laser has no affect on non-destructible items, etc. I'm not a programmer, so I am only speculating.

[cerulean magnet]

idk it seems like an odd choice

[north oyster]

A few overcharge explosions will give the miner experience in how to anticipate and compensate for the issue. I just consider it part of the gameplay atm

[cerulean magnet]

Whatever the server has to handle related to the rock itself, absolutely should stay on the server but changing the laser intensity from 0 to 50 has such a drastic delay and imprecise control. The ship throttle seems on the surface to be quite similar in design but the delay is comparatively less and easier to be precise with.

I think that is due to the difference in performance during those two situations however.

[gilded bluff]

the laser responsiveness depends on the laser you are using. Server lag is one thing but responsiveness (lack of) I think is actual feature.
Or am I wrong here?

[cerulean magnet]

Oh, interesting

So it’s supposed to be delayed intentionally

[gilded bluff]

yeah looks like

[blissful oxide]

That was I was thinking too
but not sure apparently

#industrial-professions message

[north oyster]

The Helix has a 50% lag on response. I thought you were talking about when the mining totally stops responding then bounces back with a massive surge because of a server lag.

[north oyster]

In 3.13 build

Hadanite is there, but the PING can not see it unless you are right on top of it within 1k meters

3.14 has basically killed ROC mining. You can still find deposits, but your return vs time will really suffer.

[sullen musk]

I'm trying to look up where I can buy the backpack with 120k storage capacity, anybody recommend a site?

[bright flame]

The Aril armor is the highest capacity armor. You can get it either in the pledge store or on the cargo deck of Banjini, Everus, or Tressler

[north oyster]

I thought the Pembroke had the largest storage (along maybe with the Novika)

Pembroke can be purchased at all refinery stores, iirc

[sullen musk]

ty

[bright flame]

Woop, actually it's the Novikov. The Aril is an armor set while Novikov is an 'undersuit'. Damn things are hard to sort.

[sullen musk]

oooooooh

Why does leg armor have carry capacity, does it add to 'backpack' space?

Oh I see how it works, it adds a leg stoage space. If I stow an item and backpack is full does it start filling up the next piece of gear I wonder

I went to a cave for a mission and it was huge and I slipped and died. I want to fly a small ship into there....is there a way to load the argo into the herc?? I was trying to figure it out previously but you can't have 2 ships retrieved at a dock at once.

[cedar flower]

you can spawn the argo in mining stations where you spawn ground vehicles
the argo is also small enough to fit into the C2

[sullen musk]

I was wondering if that was it, tyvm!

[tidal comet]

So, I know I've been away for awhile, but is hand mining and selling, not a thing anymore? Trading console menu's won't show my rocks for sale..

[sullen musk]

I was having the same problem. I put all my stuff into a box in a ship to see if itd see it as cargo at a console but then o flee the herc I to the ground because I'm still trying to figure out night flying in this game.

[tidal comet]

Yeah, re-logged and still can't sell from my backpack... that was my hustle, made all kinds of credits that way. Lol, just spent a bunch of time mining for nothing..

[north oyster]

There have been numerous comments about inability to sell gems from personal inventory. If you would be sure to either contribute or create a Issues Council ticket so that they can become aware of some of the challenges associated with the 3.14 build.

I rarely do FPS mining, but I might do a little to see if I can duplicate the problem and support an IC ticket

[inland lily]

Its a bug with some 3.14.1 backpacks @tidal comet - unload the gems into personal inventory containers on your ship and leave them there. Then unequip the backpack. Goto a trade terminal and select your ship as the source.

There's already a bunch of IC issues about it.

Literally having the backpack equipped stops trade terminals responding to you.

[north oyster]

Thanks Witchspace, I knew there was an issue but I'd not gotten the details

[stuck shoal]

Where did you get the box?

[inland lily]

The box appears by magic when you right click the gems in your inventory and take the put in box submenu option

[north oyster]

AND you have to be in the ship

[tidal comet]

Ok, thanks for the reply, I will try that.

[cedar flower]

storm prevents me from flying closer to a giant quant rock, so I have to wait it out

doing so while chilling with pico

there it is, the unreachable rock

[sharp latch]

Chess board in MSR would’ve benefit you here.

Should be standard in all ships.

[proper hound]

anyone have the halo belt map where it will give you how far you need to jump out

[pearl elbow]

o/

[wintry ruin]

Cru L1 > Arc L5 (I think... It's the one on Arcorp's orbit towards Microtech)
Drop out of QT at 11.5mil Km

[inland lily]

CRU-L1 -> ARC L3 12.5mil

[foggy iron]

I have it as between 12,750 & 10,250

[cedar flower]

here the full PDF with all stations
https://cornerstonebase.space/login/articles/articles/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes-3-14-0-live-rel1-2

[wintry ruin]

So 11.5? XD Someone in this room suggested 11.5 and I've lost count of how many times I've broken down quant rocks and gotten 100% chunks in that region so I 100% reccomend it

[north oyster]

CRU to ARC-L3 I always drop out at 11.5

[wintry ruin]

o7

Helped me immensely, thanks.

[unique forge]

hey guys, does the Mustang Alpha in the starter pack come with the working cargo bay/pod?

[pallid temple]

No

[unique forge]

oh well, cheers m8

[fleet sentinel]

Well, it does, but it's broken

[weak hound]

Also, it's shit

[wintry ruin]

Yeaaaaa.... The Aurora would be a better choice than the Mustang.

I'd recommend an Aegis Avenger titan as a starter
Or a C.O. Nomad if you have/are willing to invest more cash.

[sterile mist]

anyone manaaged to make a proper Instability/quant % chart ?

[orchid zinc]

Whats a good ram stick for star citizen

I need some fps

[flat herald]

32 gb, something above 3000mhz

[north oyster]

Maybe 3500 would be a better minimum

[bright flame]

That's not really possible, since all ores have instability, so you only really get vauge ideas based on how much quant and borase and beryl there is in the rock.

Pretty much have to scan with a mining laser to get a clear %, though >7 instability for non-Borase and >8 for Borase is usually 30%+

[sterile mist]

cheers 🙂

[unique forge]

if I'm doing box contracts can I log out at a space port with boxes in my ship & log back in & continue?

[wintry ruin]

Probably not. Even if the boxes survived the relog (storing things on your ship like that is presently hit or miss, normally miss) the actuall mission will be dropped when you relog so at best you'll wind up with a random box in your ship and no where to put it

[grim breach]

How do I turn on the mining mode in the prospector

[pallid temple]

Hit the M key

[unique forge]

Cheers m8, persistence for contracts when logging in & out would be awesome

[wintry ruin]

o7

[cedar flower]

Hull-C Loadout:
2x S2 Cooler
2x S3 Shield
1x S3 Power Plant
2x S3 Pilot guns
3x Unknown turrets (Rear Bottom, Rear Top, Front Top)

this was leaked about 3 months ago
dug it up after the latest news of the C

[north oyster]

This is one of the most fleshed out game loops, so you may want to watch a few videos and get familiar with the process otherwise you'll get pretty frustrated

[fleet sentinel]

I expected no pilot guns honestly

[odd rose]

when is cargo insurance going to be a thing

[ionic ore]

never

[jagged saddle]

A long way away.

[open plaza]

would I be able to mine that rock with the roc

[manic whale]

Is that a question**?** If so, then no.

[naive maple]

Any word yet on whether Trade is profitable again in 3.15?

[wintry ruin]

No firm answer I think

I don't think it'll be viable until server meshing, is what I heard

Can't remember if that's in 3.15 but even if it is there's other criteria too

[worthy iris]

I have raw ore stored in my ship. I'm currently at ARC-L1 and when i go to the refining terminal, there is no location available for me to select the raw ore from my ship. Am i missing someting?