industrial-professions

[bright flame]

Those poor bastards

[ornate rock]

no one is trying to steal scrap, it's either you pay the ransom for your cargo (and your life) or you're gonna get blown to dust.

if I wanted to steal your cargo, I'd have to run the stuff myself afterwards, that doesn't make a lot of sense, could've started with hauling in the first place.

I'm only interested in the booty

[bright flame]

I imagine a Hull E's signature will be so massive you'll see it before you see Crusader when it's on the far side of the planet.

[ornate rock]

the Javelin at Jericho can be seen over 300km out right now

and we're just at the beginning of the scanning implementations, there's probably gonna be ways to chase a ships QT signature as well

[bright flame]

Probably pretty similar, then

[ornate rock]

how many cap shields does the jav have?

[bright flame]

4

[ornate rock]

hard to say, it comes down to signature more than size, I guess the Hull E will be significantly lower since it wont run such a crazy power budget

[bright flame]

So probably see the Jav before the Hull E

[ornate rock]

but even a hammerhead can be seen 100km out

[cedar flower]

Hulls can also turn off certain engines

[ornate rock]

doubt that will have a huge effect on signature, at least right now powerplants are the main contributor to sig, then shields

but right now modules are a bit messed up anyway, so lots of room for changes

[north oyster]

Possible, but we will be in Alpha 4.x by then with a full system wipe of accounts

My take is that Citizen Con will announce Alpha 4. I think Jarred dropped a hint today on ISC at minute 5.

[bright flame]

I expect 4.0 to be when server meshing and Pyro come out.

[ornate rock]

yea, that hint doesn't really sound like 4.0, just that inventory mechanics will massively change how we approach a lot of things in the PU

[pallid temple]

4.0 will be when static server meshing and Pyro are implemented

[thorny copper]

big rigs stanton edition

[cedar flower]

Stanton truck simulator

[bright flame]

SpinVTOLs

Space Runner

Freelancer (hey wait a minute)

[proper hound]

game why you do diz

[tacit otter]

margin only defines the risk you take by purchasing it
its the raw buy/sell price per unit that defines actual profit

[rain pivot]

Where do I pick up the starter mining gear

[slim atlas]

weep and move on for the larger clusters, had a double whammy one like that on a cliff side so it was like.. cant drive to it nor crack it even if I could

[chilly herald]

is the ROC worth it for mining or save up for a mining ship?

[slim atlas]

if you have a transport it can be worth it provided you can sell all you mine lol

[chilly herald]

i have a cutlass black to haul it around

but the only mining ive done was in prison lol

trying to learn something that will make money... tried bounty hunting...sucked at that lol

i'm still a nooblet tho, only a few days in game

[nocturne blaze]

Does mineral rocks spawn at the event? or not so much

[proper hound]

No

[bright flame]

Now that'd be cool. XT with the need for raw minerals that just so happen to be in the rocks around the wreck sites.

[thin escarp]

@chilly herald if ya still around i can show ya minin

[devout notch]

whats the most effective way to make money with mining?

mining all rocks you find or just going for quant

[gilded bluff]

hey guys Caterpillar lifts on the sides and front still don't go all the way down, do they?

[smoky gust]

Look at all them hadanites clipped by the hill and the boulder

Not sure if this is a server spawning bug or what, had a blast earning 400k within 2 hours yesterday, but barely find any ores in 4 hours today, and when you found a bunch it is either dolivine or ... these buggy messes ^

[humble magnet]

I've had very little luck finding any hadanite rocks, 1 or 2 always ending game with less than half hull capacity, i think its bugged

[humble magnet]

Some pussy tosser shot me down in my rented Prospector and said something about mining in "safe zones". Where are these safe zones and do people regularly shoot down defenseless prospectors that can hardly kill a fly with those weapons.

Mining with a rented Prospector that doesnt allow you to change the mining head or add any consumables is useless by the way, waste of money...cant crack an average rock with it....

[hollow sedge]

I've been doing a lot of research on this. There a ring of asteroids around the system, that's safe. Let me find the YouTube link.

https://youtu.be/a-AUB29y5ug

I think it's this one.

[humble magnet]

@hollow sedge thank you for this ive also been at the Aaron belt and enjoyed some chilled time relaxing whilst mining.

[quartz tusk]

hew guys, I'm new to the game (bought in 2013 and first time playing), couple of questions:

1. Is there a way to get in/out of the aurora mr without 3-5 tries? When I enter the ship there is a good chance I just get thrown out at the other end or somehow glitch around in it.
2. I'm running medium settings on a gtx 3060ti and a 5950x and the perf is very sluggish, I read the game is demanding but this setup runs doom eternal on 4k close to maxed out. Is there a setting or something I should change?

3. How do I pick up that rock to deliver it? It's from a mission

[high haven]

stand farther away from the door in the arurora and it'll be less prone to boot you out the other side.

[quartz tusk]

thanks @high haven

any idea what to do about that rock? I've been sitting there for 10m 😄

[unique hearth]

That rock isn't for the mission you show in the Screenshot. You're looking for a package/box to deliver. Untrack and retrack mission and check your map.

Rocks like that need to be mined using a mining ship.

Then the ore is extracted and taken to refine/sell.

[quartz tusk]

ah thanks

how do I leave the ship? I pressed every button on the keyboard but there's only explosions. Google says ctrl+f but that just briefly zooms in

[unique hearth]

Are you sat in the seat of stood up?

[quartz tusk]

sat in it

[unique hearth]

hold y

or shift + U

[quartz tusk]

thanks!

man this game is so frustrating to get started with, is there a tutorial or something to play that I somehow missed? I mean just getting out of the planet and the quantum travel and everything took ages to figure out (go to "friends" to open the space port hatch? really?).

[unique hearth]

I would recommend you take a look at the Guide system on the RSI website. They help newbies out with learning SC. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17342-Welcome-Hub-Guide-System

It's a great game when you get used to all it's quirks, Stick with it 🙂

[devout notch]

whats the most effective way to make money with mining?
mining all rocks you find or just going for quant

[unique hearth]

I personally tend to go all Quant, but keep an eye out for anything else valuable such as Borase, Bexalite etc if in large deposits.

[north oyster]

Did anyone reply and let you know ROC mining is close to dead in this patch?

[devout notch]

yeah they fucked it up

you can only pick up roc mineables from 500 meters away

[maiden basin]

Anyone hyped for BMM

[coarse cape]

See if higher settings will give you a bit more FPS. As it will put some of the load on your 3060

[thin escarp]

@humble magnet never rent a prospector. its trash. save up to buy.

i can show ya how to mine too.

@devout notch i only go for quant. if ya need hwlp learning i can show ya the ropes etc.

[chrome mural]

hey cross

[thin escarp]

@quartz tusk you need a mining ship for that rock

@chrome mural o7

[chrome mural]

holy shit never knew the actual size of thos rocks

[quartz tusk]

ty, unfortunately I cannot figure out how to get to that menu in the first place 😂 would love to try the "play" approach even though reading the "over 1000+ articles" sounds fun, too 😂

whats a fun thing to get started with the game? Carrying boxes while trying to avoid glitches when entering a ship is not only frustrating but also very boring

[chrome mural]

u can do illegal survaillance missions they give 20k and take 5mins

they are fun

[quartz tusk]

do you recommend it at all for casual playing? I'm afraid I'll forget all the weird shortcuts and interactions you need to do for simple stuff. But I can see that it could be fun once you master all that

[coarse cape]

You can do casual play

I usually hop on for an hour and just fuck around and hop off on some days

[quartz tusk]

what do you usually do @coarse cape ?

[coarse cape]

Well right now since xeno is up i do one of those if it ever works. Other wise I’ll just do some missions

[quartz tusk]

what's xeno

[coarse cape]

Xenothreat

It’s this server wide event going on

You can earn a good amount of cash from it as well

Once it works ofc. It’s been pretty buggy for a lot of people

@quartz tusk I would keep doing delivery missions unlit you can afford armor/weapons and some new shop weapons

[quartz tusk]

that's the carrying boxes thing right?

[coarse cape]

Ship*

Yes

[quartz tusk]

How many hrs do you think I should plan on doing that before the game starts being fun? 😂

[coarse cape]

Prob like until you get 20k or so from it

So like 1-2 hours I think

Once you get some good ship weapons you could try mercenary work

[quartz tusk]

i have this which one do I need? The rec?

[coarse cape]

@quartz tusk UEC. Rec is for arena commander and star marine

[steep dune]

I want to ask what is a good mining or cargo ship for a beginner I just bought the game yesterday and I’m still figuring out the game.

[bright flame]

Prospector and Cutlass Black make a good mining/hauling combo when starting out. You can rent both of them on refinery decks in any -L1 station.

[steep dune]

Thanks I appreciate the help!

[supple ivy]

Just mined on Lyria ( with Prospector ) looking for some Quantanium, what percentage is worth mining ? 30%v and above? 🤔

[humble magnet]

SC - "Fixed respawning from bed log out" - me 45 minutes later after 3 timeouts on loading page : Nah !

[thin escarp]

@supple ivy yeah 25% and up aint a bad run

@steep dune i can help ya get into mining. lemme know if ya need.

[humble magnet]

Thanks man, Ill save up for one,1 mil to go...

[sharp latch]

Thinking about spending some cash on upgrading and buying a Nomad and a ROC. I feel like it could be a good match before I have the cash for a prospector. Any thoughts from the community?

[teal wing]

A ROC isn't too expensive in-game, and the ground vehicle pledges tend to be more expensive than their actual in-game value is likely to reflect. I would go for the Nomad and get the aUEC to buy a ROC in game, if that's the path you want to go down.

ROC mining is pretty weak this patch though, but has been a good source of money in previous versions.

[wintry ruin]

Not sure about the roc going in the normad, never tried it, but I love the Nomad but I'll caution getting in and out of it is a bit of a pain, especially in Zero G. Like, don't use the automatic 'enter/exit' in zero G, you'll waaste time at best and cause damage at worst. Pop the hatch open and go in and out manually.

It's very handy for the event atm and cargo hauling missions as you can just yeet the parcels in the back and call it a day

[sharp latch]

Good tip. I actually haven’t seen any vids of the roc fitting on a nomad. So maybe that’s something I’ll have to dig for.

[wintry ruin]

I was considering buying one as in I'm trying to get to the store at Hurston but terrain's missing

If you an wait like a half hour. I might be able to report back

[sharp latch]

Yea I like the whole pick up truck ASP look.

[wintry ruin]

It is 100% space pick up truck and I was giggling all the way from the wreck site to Jericho aat sub light because of all the containers just hanging out the back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813206877286301707/883064221359812628/unknown.png

"What OSHA?"

[sharp latch]

That’s a good idea. I’d appreciate that. Might pm you on that.

[wintry ruin]

Getting out into gravity is okay but getting in, just stand right at the bottom when the ladder deploys and pray

[sharp latch]

So what are you doing? Over never seen so many containers like that. Kinda new I only keep up with patch notes not game play.

[wintry ruin]

Oh it's the Xeno threat event

[sharp latch]

I thought that was only combat, there’s a little something for everyone huh?

[wintry ruin]

I highly reccomend you try it, it's a very good way to make cash. I went from about 100k to 1mil the past week and that was spending a few dozen grand here and there on clothes, guns, pimping ships and buying lots of burgers to show off to my friends while streaming

God damn it

Sorry, I keep getting the same bit of hurston missiing at the vehical buy and can't get in

[sharp latch]

I have a Titan I can fill the back of that thing up no problem.

[wintry ruin]

Titan's good. I got the Stalker but not tried loading it yet. Very narrow space

You'll want the tractor beam tool

[sharp latch]

Might do that and just buy nomad with aUEC until I feel I like it and then buy one.

[wintry ruin]

Okay, trying another server

Nomad's only 952,800 out of Hurston

You do a few good runs and you'll be there in no time

[sharp latch]

Yea. I’m sitting on 200k now.

Will you be playing in like 6-7 hours?

[wintry ruin]

Broadly:
It's mostly shooting. There's NCP's in the wreck site, there's frequent attacks at the Jericho station to attack the NPC UEEN Javalin parked there. There's also a post hauling second stage event if the first half is sucessfull that features thre Idris's, the Jav, the UEEN support shipss and a buncha players just throwing lead and lazor at each other and it's spectacular.

But for the first stage, in addition to defending the Jav periodically and swatting NPC's in the wreck site there's wrecked cargo ships. Go in on foot, kill the NPc's on foot and then open the cargo hatch to yeet supplies into waiting ships. You can entirely do nothing but be the pilot of that waiting ship.

[wintry ruin]

"maybe"

There's all three kinds of mission container I've found so far in there. Damage, Quantum and Time Sensitive cargo. You can haul one or if you're clever, fast and have a couple extra helping to load, all three.

Once the wreck's cleared, best to toss the yellow QT sensitive crates and the Blue Damage sensitive ones into a ship. Then if you can load it up fast enough, the green ones with a timer go in too. About 20+ mins on each and at non-QT speed it's about ten minutes at ~1k/m back to Jericho station to drop them off.

Just sit back and cruise. And watch the cash roll in, you get credit for helping out at all and a bonus if you succeed. I thought it was an error at first when I checked my balance after the first round, I got that much 🤣

[sharp latch]

Hmm. I’d love to give that a try. Sounds fun, I’ve been doing a lot of container missions might as well go out there and give it a whirl.

[wintry ruin]

Oh yea. You'll have no problem finding a server for it. I notice there's a voice chat on Discord ehre for it. Might hop in there for ssome coordination.

[sharp latch]

Yea. Thanks for the advice!

[wintry ruin]

Of course!

[wintry ruin]

Okay so it's shonky as all hecc, works best reversing, and took me going up onto one side of the ramp before it bounced down flat again, but you can squeeze a Roc in the back of a nomad

This is the larger, two person Roc. I THINK the standard one seater is aa mite smaller but don't quote me on that

Oh no... it fell out when I closed it up

[wintry ruin]

Update, if you really wedge it in there, it fits. And if it fits, it sits

With my sensible hat on I'd still advice a Cutty or a Connie (I'm a connie fan girl) but yea, you could try your luck with this

[teal wing]

That's so jank, I love it

[bright flame]

Jank is best

[wintry ruin]

I THINK the one seater Roc's aa bit smaller and probably fit a bit better

But it'd still be dumb

Aaaand CTD

Where do we sell the stuff we pick up in the Roc? Mining outposts?

[waxen sail]

yes sir

i think😅

[bright flame]

Oh yes, the standard ROC is almost half as long and a good bit narrower and definitely fits.

[wintry ruin]

Fits a lot better in the Connie:

[north oyster]

Don't rent the prospector though, the rental is pretty pathetic and you can't even make back what you put into renting it. The best thing is to save up and buy it

[thin escarp]

^

instead come ride in my mining machine as @north oyster would say

haha

[wintry ruin]

I can't speak for cost/reward but if you want to practice mining in the prospector, the interface in the Roc (at least the 2 person one) is practically identical.

[north oyster]

I would recommend not wasting too much time in a ROC this patch, hopefully they will resolve some of the issues with it but it is a massive time sink for the amount of cash you can earn with it

[wintry ruin]

I was doing okay picking up the hand minables in it until I crashed

[north oyster]

There are a couple of other issues in this patch besides the ping problem. The components are dying out quicker this patch and also the bug of the laser and collector swapping

[wintry ruin]

Components dying?

[north oyster]

Yes, I've had the coolers or the computer die in just one trip multiple times

[wintry ruin]

Didn't know they implemented computer compnents yet

[north oyster]

On your display panel if you switch to component health you can watch it go down

[wintry ruin]

My Hornet ghost died suddenly in space moments after a xeno event earlier. A good couple minutes after the last shots were fired.

My guess at the time was the cooler was damaged in the last skirmish and the heat built up in the remaining time but if I got that or the power plant damanged near to dead I guess they coulda degraded

Had to thumb a lift in a passing Vanguard bomber that was almost as beat up as me 🤣

[north oyster]

I used to be able to get over 10 trips out of a ROC before I had to reclaim it. Now I feel lucky if I get two

[wintry ruin]

Noted thanks. I mostly picked it up for the antics and because I'd been wanting to try it for a bit so I suspect I'll be back in the Prospector before long even if it was running well.

[north oyster]

Really hoping they will restore the ROC mining because it's a great diversion when you get tired of mining in the prospector

The live servers should be going down for about 4 hours, in about 15 minutes

[bright flame]

I do quite enjoy ROC mining and hope it's fixed in 3.15

[wintry ruin]

Just got 30k'd just there so I'm leaving it for now. Got the connie with the Roc to orbit, hoping it's still in there when I log back in

[sharp latch]

Looks like something I’d be interested in. I’ve spent days out in the black with an SRV in Eilte mining up mats. I think it would be pretty cool to do it here especially if there’s something to make some coin off of.

[sharp latch]

Anyone near by knows how this fits in a Cutlass?

[bright flame]

It does not

[tame elbow]

ROC fits fine in a cutlass

I primarily ROC mine in a cutlass red

[bright flame]

When it's functional (lacking laser bugs and you can actually find the nodes in reasonable time) it's a pretty good means of making money and quite immersive and interesting. It's just too damn riddled with bugs right now

[bright flame]

ROC-DS does not fit

[tame elbow]

The DS? My bad

Yeah I used the DS in a Phoenix

[bright flame]

No worries! Hard to tell the two apart.

[sharp latch]

https://youtu.be/AwzdvbvB0uQ

6:45

[bright flame]

I did some DS mining with my Taurus at the start of 3.14 and left a long write-up on Spectrum about it. I found it fun and enjoyable, just couldn't get more than a few bits of ore in my DS after over an hour due to bugs

[wintry ruin]

I'm doing solo but I went for the DS just for the extra cargo space, I dun't mind hopping out between rocks

[bright flame]

The animation to get in and out of the laser could stand to be half as long, otherwise I don't mind the effort of repositioning, either.

[wintry ruin]

I'm not saying I'm a min/maxer but like... I like to get involved in what I'm' doing for a stretch. I'd find it more annoying to get out and fly back somewhere to sell the crap

Yea, did the MFD screens in the cabin work for you? They seemed functional but they didn't move into place for me. Not like I terribly need them, mind you

As in they hinge inwards back into the cabin when you go to open it up, but when you're in place they don't hinge back so you can actually use them.

[slim atlas]

hopefully with the glitches getting fixed on mining and such cargo rates will not be as bad lol

not as free money will slow down a lot of folks from doing mining and transport for cash lol

[supple ivy]

@thin escarp thanks Cross! And curious how many work orders can you refine the Quantanium ? And secondly what's a recommended good cargo haular to put it in once refined to sell ? I've currently got a Connie but I'm hearing everyone saying put it in a Cutty ? 🤔 bit confused cause Connie holds more SCU

[slim atlas]

depends on how much of a material you have

[thin escarp]

nah connie is solid

[slim atlas]

like I hold off tell I can fill a cat with materials lol

[thin escarp]

they say that because some people cant afford connies

also. you can stack up your workorders. ive had as many as 29 at one station if not more.

[wintry ruin]

I'll back the Connie over the cutty every day of the week as poor @sharp latch can tell you aas I've been up in their IM's answering that question for em

[thin escarp]

currently i have 5 finished and 14 more being worked

[slim atlas]

when people suggest the cutty its cause you can rent it

[thin escarp]

i only use moles.

to mine tho. ive retired my prospectors

[supple ivy]

Oh my...

CONNIE is such a workhorse!

[slim atlas]

pretty much like for me my shipping goes if its too much for my cutty it goes in the cat, once the hull series comes out it will be cutty/cat/hull

[thin escarp]

i usually run 3 cats of quant at a time.

stack up my orders

usually around 15 mil

[wintry ruin]

But objectively, the only thing the Cutty has going for it is it's smaller and more manoeuvrable which helps if you're new to flying larger ships (Connie was my first, I'm used to how her heavy backside handles) and perhaps the layout of the cargo hold.

There's more volume in the Connie but it's vertical (Both in raw SCU terms and 'how many small craft can we squeeze in there?' terms) so you can fit more craft side by side on the Cutty than the Connie.

For Xenothreat and other similar considerations, the Cutty being smaller with a rear ramp + side doors does come in handy for versatility of loading but even in first person only, I've had no problem bringing the connie in under the wreck'ed ships and popping a side airlock open.

And it can be annoying to get on target against fighters in the connie but when you do, it's standard load out of 4x size 4's might as well be a fly swatter against those mosquitoes. I've had no problem with NPC's getting through the size 3 shield either.

[supple ivy]

Thanks @wintry ruin @thin escarp @slim atlas good advice! 👍

[wintry ruin]

I wrote up a more detailed thing for poor Ray if you want to see it...

[supple ivy]

Alright let me have a gander...;)

[wintry ruin]

I'll IM it as it's a textbox aand a bit. Anyone else curious let me know

[slim atlas]

I think the first article for long haul quarterly will be "Which hualer is best for me" just like you see on the stations lol

[wintry ruin]

Connie, fookin' fight me, m8

[supple ivy]

So I hear on the other thread about a maintenance today at 4pm. Lot of people getting worried about wipes etc , I'm not too worried as I understand it's just Alpha and I love the grind anwyay. But curious would this effect the refine process ? And should I sell up ? Any thoughts ? 🤔 I know miners are a lot more laid back in this channel 👍

[sharp latch]

Lol

[sharp latch]

More laid back because we mine and watch Star Trek or the expanse while we play

[wintry ruin]

Oh crap. I had some stuff I've been meaning to sell except Xeno got in the way xd

[slim atlas]

I dont think you'll see a wipe tell they do proper inventory

[sharp latch]

All profits deposit to rayness25

[slim atlas]

as that would be a nightmare for the DB to do a transfer to

[supple ivy]

Lol so true Beltawolda! @sharp latch

[sharp latch]

Oh hey! Big question. So in Elite if I wanted to grab another ship, all cargo had to come with, is that the same for SC?

Havnt tried to store a ship with cargo.

[wintry ruin]

I'm preeeeeety sure anything bought and sold directly from terminals or picked up via mining will

However any parcels you place in the back like in Xeno, or plushies or other such things is a bit hit and miss at the moment.

There's a bug that causes the opposite however. If you drop off cargo for xeno you can log in and pull the ship with everything still in the back and it still couts

[sharp latch]

Oh?

Wait like duping?

[wintry ruin]

Something like. Not intentionally I think but I almost QT'd with a handful of the QT sensetive cargo in the back...

[proper hound]

They soft reset at 3.14. I lost 7 order of quant

They will do again at 3.15

[supple ivy]

Interesting.🤔 soft resets. Okay cheers.

[wintry ruin]

What exectly does 'soft reset' mean?

[pallid temple]

You ever done a character reset? That's what it is

[wintry ruin]

Newp

[proper hound]

Reset your location. Your char and ship loadout. Destroy all consumeable
It is final phase if all attempted to fix a bug has failed like bed log bug

Would be much bettee if they just reset location

[wintry ruin]

Keeps bought ships, cash, components, armour, guns, clothes?

[stone coyote]

What are good ores to mine?

[wintry ruin]

https://gyazo.com/445d364ec0b0bf1f8f9eb0efafc84f84

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/#raw-materials

Site's a bit outdated but that table's still good

[smoky gust]

did they just... reset refinery works with the new patch?

[proper hound]

Yep all we be kept

[smoky gust]

Oh praise emprah refinery works are safe.

[proper hound]

They only do it between update. But sometimes....when it get wonky they will soft reset as well
They will let you know i think

[smoky gust]

I see

[wintry ruin]

So those 60 to 80 percent yields i got are safe? Phew

[stone coyote]

is mining broken?

[wintry ruin]

Not the last time I checked. Although some hand mining rocks seemed impossible to crack with the multi tool earlier.

Are you in a ship, roc or mining with the multi tool?

[shadow lava]

asteroid mining is currently broken

just curious though- are there stats on the Prospectors and Argo Moles capacities?

is it 3x more than the prospector?

[finite berry]

96scu in the mole

[solar plinth]

Hi guys, I have a bunch of scraps but PO terminal won't let me sell it, my ship won't come up, any ideas?

[teal wing]

Have you stored it, or is it still on the pad?

[solar plinth]

I tried both ways

[proper hound]

See if they will buy your scrap on trading website

[proper hound]

Some place refuse to buy stock if they dont demand it so it wont show up

[solar plinth]

@proper hound my ship won't even show up in the sell tab. Sorry I'm new, what do you mean trading website?

[proper hound]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Scrap

um

they do buy it

weird idk

[solar plinth]

I was on PO, I'll try that website, that's a great resource

Thank you

[gilded bluff]

guys what exactly do we know about Ore nodes in general?
Do they spawn randomly all the time or it is when player comes in range? How long is the ore node alive, does it de-spawn on its own after limited amount of time or only when players crack them.
What about the cracked rocks, how long do they stay in the world before they de-spawn?

[smoky gust]

Which is the closest station to access Aaron's Halo?

[true verge]

Anyone got a fix for ROC mining when the laser stops progressing the charge level? it's so disheartening when you find a bunch of hadanite rocks and it just bugs out hard :/

[smoky gust]

So far the only way that i've tried which definitely fixes this bug is logout and login again.

However this also means losing all ores that have spawned.

[true verge]

Yeah :/ big sadge, thanks for the reply my dude

[slim atlas]

You can park and store your rock and bring it back out, it will fix it

Part of why I started roc mining with a pal, if that happens you can have them "stake the claim"

[wintry ruin]

I was mining fine before maintenance last night. Only issue i had was sometimes a rock would be flagged as mineable but be totally uninteractable

[wintry ruin]

I have managed to nip back to a station about 20 km away from the rock I was mining, sell and return but 20km isn't all that far

[gilded bluff]

alright, that's something. So they don't re-spawn if you move 20 km away from them.

Ive noticed broken chunks of quant start despawning after longer period of time. 30-45 min maybe.
As time goes on they seam to grow more and more unstable and you hear the sound of rocks overloading by themselves to. Until they explode/disappear

[north oyster]

That's accurate. You should probably mine two or three at one time at the most.

[slim atlas]

So another thing on those rocks you cant mine swap to your scanner I found if I scanned them with it I was able to mine

If they dont scan move on to another

[north oyster]

They despawn similar line they explode

[wintry ruin]

I can't even scan them

There's a separate issue with the miner scanner not scanning if you already scanned it. Swapping to scanning mode and scanning do fix that

[north oyster]

That's a bug that was a huge problem back in May that has returned (like bugs do)

[shadow lava]

yeah, thats what I mean
flagging asteroids that are not actually scannable (for me last night, it was around 50-80% of them)

tried everything, scan mode, mining mode, switching, getting closer / further away, zapping it with the miner, absolutely nothing fixed it

[wintry ruin]

Yea just scanning mode on approach.if it dont play ball. Keep on truckin

Also has anyone figured out a way to stop rocks showing up when you're not even in scanning mode and not in a mining ship?

[gilded bluff]

do we know how the unbroken rocks despawn? and what are the conditions for the new rocks to spawn?

[supple ivy]

16008 messages....anyone have a solution to this ?

[wintry ruin]

You'll probably want to turn off mobile push notifications for you phone. If you're deskopt, not really a lot else to do short of muting specific rooms or a whole server.

Personally I got discord set up so it doesn't make noises at me for any messages, only calls and streams and the like and I can chase white dots around in loading screens at my leisure.

[north oyster]

I found that if I try to get into three or more asteroids that the purples will despawn before I can get to them, so nowadays I just crack two and harvest all those. Not real positive the time frame but it seems like it's close to 15 minutes

[wintry ruin]

I'mma just start hunting for the rare high yielders that had been escaping me until recently.

[gilded bluff]

To me it feels like more 15min honestly. I may take few hours and test this one day.
But I was asking about unbroken/untouched rocks. The one you just scan and leave. How or when do they de-spawn.

[ember star]

3.16 is going to be the cargo patch and I’m excited

[stone steeple]

does anyone have any resource recommendations for best Caterpillar component upgrades? I finally have in game $$ from XT and want to start hauling in my cat but want it to be as upgraded and capable as it can be. havent spent a lot of time experimenting with components

[wintry ruin]

QT drive first

For the Cat, at least

[north oyster]

There is a couple of factors here. First, when you scan them they randomly show a result. If someone else comes behind you (at a distance) and scans them, they will get a totally different result on the yield. I don't know the cycle for regen and also I'm normally in Aaron's Halo, so it is so massive that we would never find the same spot again until the game updates to personal navigation waypoints that we can set.

[north oyster]

temper your expectations least you get chopped up and spit out

I thought cargo refactor was going to take until next year

[north oyster]

Obviously you will want a top notch Quantum drive, the TS-2. For the shields, since she now has TWO, I would say one Parapet and one FR-86. Maybe complement the Power Plants with swapping one of the Ginzel's for a JS-500

[gilded bluff]

waaait you are saying the Ore composition changes if different person scans them? Given they come a bit later and dont go close to the first person?
Is this a fact?

[north oyster]

You use to be able to scan a deposit and then go 20k away, return and rescan for new percentages. The type of ore would remain the same. CIG capped that, so now the distance is way greater than that

[smoky gust]

What are the best passive modules for lancet?

[wintry ruin]

That a miner?

Unless you're actually having issues cracking open rocks, I say go for all the Filter's. Gets rid of innert materials, makes each run more profetable

[smoky gust]

i see

[stone steeple]

Thank you! I'll give this a shot and see how she flys

[north oyster]

Just keep in mind that you will lose the passive modules like you do for active modules if you get a 30k, etc.

You spend a whole lot of funds on them and they are not persistent

[smoky gust]

Noted. Thanks man.

[gilded bluff]

interesting! Thanks for the info.
Do you know are the rocks static in the sense, do they appear on the exact same place after some time has passed once you break them initially?

[north oyster]

My impression is that they are static to a zone but might be random in that zone (on planets). As to the asteroid belt, it's anyone's guess. @gilded bluff

I'm hoping the zone idea works because I'm going to test it with trying to find ROC mineable deposits. I was planning of using some of my prior experience running search patterns (in the US Coast Guard) to try to locate deposits quicker around areas they would normally spawn.

[wintry ruin]

GPS and planetmaps on the MFD's plz

[plain drift]

Or just a location based bookmark system well i'd settle for a big spray painted rock at this point 😛

[wintry ruin]

Just have someone with an inventory full of flares throw them out the back of the ship as you move along

[slim atlas]

Imo the stock cat is fine for most things

Maybe later upgrades but atm not needed

[wintry ruin]

Heh, yea. If you have cash to burn, pimp out the QD first in a Cat.

But really, it's good as is for it's main jobs.

[solar plinth]

So I've been trying for days, probs not even worth the time but where can I sell metal scrap?

[wintry ruin]

If Olisar doesn't, there's a recycling plant on the moon around the other side of Crusader form it. Lemme look up the names

[solar plinth]

PO my ship doesn't even show up in the terminal at admin

[wintry ruin]

Must sell it there, then.

Strange, I'm not seeing it listed...

[solar plinth]

I'm flying to Euterpe now

[wintry ruin]

I'm not in game, can you see a place on Cellin that's called 'Reclamation' or something similar?

What am I doing? There's a site for this...

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Scrap

[solar plinth]

I'm on the site now, just was wondering if I was doing something wrong

Thanks for the help tho 🙂

[wintry ruin]

ArcCorp > Wala
Crusader > Daymar
Crusader > Orison
Crusader > Olisar
Hurston (don't ever go to Hurston)
MicroTech >Euterpe

[ruby moth]

The admin terminals are probably not the right place to sell it.. the TDD terminals are where you want to sell actual cargo

[wintry ruin]

I'm not sure about them being 'loose' in the hold like that but it should seem to work there

Except for scrap according to this site 🤣

[crimson mantle]

There is a strange issue this patch about ships not showing up in the selling terminals. Some people report that changing armor and checking the terminal again may fix the problem.

[ruby moth]

@solar plinth try that ^^

[solar plinth]

I'll try that @crimson mantle thank you

[jagged wing]

Is there any point to trading anything other than scrap?

[floral prism]

titanium sells really well

[wintry ruin]

Practically everything sells better than scrap but scrap is about the only thing its hard to make a loss on. At least the last time I did trading heavily but that was a couple years ago.

You had to buy from thenright places low enough and sell at the right places high enough. Scrap on the other hand varied little ... but it had a tiny margin and you needed something with a Cat sized hold to make it worthwhile

[crimson mantle]

Fluorine is actually the most abundant commodity there is, in theory 🙂

Scrap is a nice safe bet though, and you can trade it without landing on the surface!

[solar plinth]

@crimson mantle confirmed, changing a part of my armour made my ship show up at PO and a sold the scrap 😃

[topaz dust]

Hey all, sorry for the dumb question... I've been getting a fair amount of 30k's. I am thinking of just selling the raw ore instead of processing as I have lost 2 constellations full of processed ore.

Is anyone else doing this?

[bright flame]

I do that sometimes when things are unstable or a patch is likely to come soon, yes. Better to get half value than none.

[topaz dust]

thanks!@bright flame

[proper hound]

you can hop server until you found one that have low pop (much less likely chance to get 30k)

[wintry ruin]

I spend a lazy 30 mins mining another batch and window shopping to see how stable it is before hauling

[wispy apex]

I have found a few websites that helps with trading, anyone has a favorite?

[chilly herald]

whats the best place to mine

[devout adder]

I'm wondering the same thing. BC the two I found conflict

[wooden fractal]

Hi, Im new to SC, I just recently started hand mining and I am having a problem selling. I have hadanite in my backpack and I go to Admin to sell. I go to the trading console>sell> Select Location and nothing pops up for personal inventory. Is there anyway around that or am I doing something wrong?

[crimson mantle]

@wispy apex I keep mine up to date with the static data from the game's files. That being said, the economy is dynamic in-game, so prices do vary minute to minute (see https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq for more info)

[undone ibex]

is the nomad a good starting ship for hauling refined stuff?

it has 24 scu

[thin escarp]

@undone ibex nah. cutlas black

@wooden fractal where did you go.

@chilly herald best place depends what you are mining with.

ina roc. I've had my best luck on magda lately. in my mole with the new scanning being kinda borked i use a visual method in the the halo

lyria seems nerfed. but ive always done fairly well at cru l3 and hur l3.

in my prospectors/moles

if anyone needs help lemme know. i also run a weekly saturday night mining operation for huge $$$ and training.

[plush cypress]

Can someone explain why cargo hauling is bad right now?

[obsidian stone]

https://youtu.be/qBsZXcFlgzI

[plush cypress]

Thank you

[wooden fractal]

@thin escarp first I was at hurston. Ive just tried selling again at port olisar and the same thing is happening. Ive tried leaving the materials in my backpack and also crated them and i still get no option

[slate galleon]

This is about all I got.

[devout adder]

One thing that would really help is a way to see demand in game.

[slate galleon]

Like a delphi for supply and demand.

[thin escarp]

@wooden fractal weird.

[slate galleon]

Try creating a crate and placing it on a ship?

[devout adder]

Or minimum one of those big screens they have every where. Anything would be better than what we have now which is nothing.

[wooden fractal]

@slate galleon tried that as well. I'm stumped. It basically eliminates mining for me at the moment. I've gone to multiple areas trying to sell and its the same each time.

[slate galleon]

Your trying to sell to TDD not Admin right?

[thin escarp]

^

[wooden fractal]

Lol that could be my problem. Didn't try that. I'll give it a shot and report back. Is there a location at Port olisar that I can sell?

[thin escarp]

oof

no

go to area 18 or lorville

area 18 is ez cause its near habs

[wintry ruin]

Nomad's a good ship hands down

Quite probably the best single seater starter

Depends how much you gotta haul but if it's a small amount the Nomad does it terribly well. If you got more and you got the cash, next up in the multi-crew medium sized ships would be the connie line. After that you're onto larger, dedicated haulers like the Cat or the Herc.

[wooden fractal]

@thin escarp @slate galleon reporting back, I just logged back in, i was at port olisar, decided to go to admin 1 more time before i moved. everything worked fine this time around. Must have been some weird bug. Thank you for your help

[lyric sleet]

where is a good place to find hadanite

[woeful gorge]

how profitable is a cutty b + ROC combo rn?

[lyric sleet]

it can be really profitable if you can find hadanite

finding the hadanite is the problem since it only shows up on scans at about 1k meters

[woeful gorge]

rip

[lyric sleet]

yup

after an hour of searching found 30 pieces

[woeful gorge]

neato

[crimson mantle]

Here are the best spots: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Ground%2520vehicle%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Hadanite%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

You do need to fly very low to detect them now :/

[slate oyster]

I'm at Ambitious Dream and it seems there isn't a way to sell/refine ore from my Personal Inventory. Something I'm misunderstanding?

I don't have a source to sell/refine from when I access the terminals.

[crimson mantle]

Make sure you are are the mining deck, not the admin

[slate oyster]

Thanks for the help! I went to both, no luck. I can't find confirmation info anywhere but it seems these gems that were FPS mined are just that; gems. These don't seem to be refinable and can only be sold as commodities, is that right?

I stored the gems I mined as commodities onto my ship and I was then able to reveal the option to sell them at the trading post in admin, but I still can't sell them at the refinery.

In other words, gems and ore fall under different categories, it seems.

[floral prism]

lyria still a good place for prospector mining?

[bright flame]

It's still viable, yes. You'll just likely find rocks you can't crack with a Prospector alone. Still, it's easy to identify Quant rocks as they're the only ones that come in groups of 2+

[crimson mantle]

Oh, the gems! Indeed they are "normal" commodities. Next time give a try to https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer. You can even refine by location to find one near you 😄

[floral prism]

ah yea just had this issue hahaha

[balmy fulcrum]

is the upcoming patch for xeno ending going to override all mining work orders (delete them)? curious since i just saw people talking about it possibly happening and that they arent mining cause they think its likely

[bright flame]

It's always possible at any time. The hotfix for trying to make XT stop crashing (It was worth a shot) did not clear work orders, so unlikely that one that stops XT will not, either. Still, always be prepared to lose all your Work Orders unexpectedly.

[balmy fulcrum]

alrighty, thank you

[slate oyster]

Got it, thanks!

[foggy iron]

Put it this was, the patch to put in XT did wipe all pending refinery jobs.

[balmy fulcrum]

well you and Anrill have now said 2 different things so

oh wait i misunderstood

just woke up, my bad

[smoky gust]

went aaron's halo and prospect for 2 hours. 0 rocks with more than 30% quants

[balmy fulcrum]

Also, just refined materials for the first time and the only vehicle it lets me load my resources into is my greycat, can i not load refined materials into my prospector?

and if not, how would i sell the resources out of my greycat?

[tawdry hemlock]

Nope. You need a Ship with Cargo Space. Like the Freelancer.

[balmy fulcrum]

fuck i did not know that, thank you

[balmy fulcrum]

but once again, ^

any recommendations for a cargo ship tho?

[cedar flower]

what size and price range are you thinking?

[balmy fulcrum]

not really picky since i dont have a single one yet, what would be the cheapest ones? (just blew all of my money on the prospector and i have like 40k )

[crimson mantle]

You can rent a cutlass black to ferry one propector load at a time

[balmy fulcrum]

thank you

[cedar flower]

if you got more cash I suggest a Freelancer

[slow shell]

is cargo running currently working or is it still broken

[hollow sedge]

Hey guys I'm fairly new, question, how do I get to aaron's halo that I keep hearing people talk about?

[crimson mantle]

There is some profit to be made if you own a very large cargo ship

[hollow sedge]

I want to mine something better that the L1's have to offer

[crimson mantle]

Do you mine only quant, or the other valuables?

[ruby moth]

But with the money issues, and server craashing being so predominant, none of us are running large cargo right now.

[slow shell]

i'm grinding towards getting a Hercules to do some cargo runs

[hollow sedge]

I'm not quite good enough to mess with quant yet

I'm mining in my pros and shipping in my Cutlass, so small loads

[crimson mantle]

Then you are right, Aaron Halo is the best spot if you don't want to go planetside: https://tinyurl.com/w6jcwyd7

There's plenty of diagrams and video tutorials out there 😄

[hollow sedge]

But how do I find it, lol?

[crimson mantle]

If you don't mind moons, there are good options though: https://tinyurl.com/ys9e7w38

[hollow sedge]

I keep finding videos that so "go to aaron's halo"

[crimson mantle]

There you go 🙂
https://cornerstonebase.space/login/articles/articles/36-refinery-to-aaron-halo-mining-routes-3-14-0-live-rel1-2

[crimson mantle]

Fluorine is just about the only commodity abundant enough to run with a C2: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C2%2520Hercules%2522,%2522investment%2522:200000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:25000,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[hollow sedge]

Thanks!!!

[balmy fulcrum]

nice, rented a cargo ship, loaded my refined quant into the rental. Only for the refined goods to despawn

oh nvm now its back wtf

fucking sigh of relief

[tough quiver]

@crimson mantle Just wanna say thank you for your tools, they are amazing

[north oyster]

Did you get the info? When I get back to my computer I have a few helpful charts

[hollow sedge]

@north oysterI did, thank you!

[north oyster]

Aaron's Halo is a fun place to mine with no worries of being poached unless the game spawns an NPC (has happen to me, but very rare)

[hollow sedge]

NPC's I can run from, its the tricky players that get me.

[north oyster]

I'd recommend the Helix laser head

You can get that at Hur-L2 or PO

Remember size 1 only

If you decide to try Quantainium, the Lancet works best because of increased Green zone

[north oyster]

I removed the laser guns and gimbals off of my prospector, I don't want to waste any energy on something that is worthless

[hollow sedge]

I've been doing well with the Lancet so far. I'll try the Helix

[north oyster]

Ok, then no need to swap then. Helix is pretty expensive, so if the Lancet is doing good, then stick with that

[serene quest]

Should I pick up a Cutty (have ROC) , or a Prospector?

[undone ibex]

.. i dont get it

im trying to load my refined quanta into my freelancer

it has 36 scu

its completely empty (ive checked the cargo hold)

but in the refinery computer it shows 3000/2400 scu.... wth

[teal wing]

Cargo isn't always visible in the cargo bay, it's entirely possible you have cargo aboard but can't see it

[undone ibex]

and how can i check it?

ive sold my whole cargo two days ago

[stone coyote]

what can you mine with the propestor anything thats worth somerthing it wont even charge up

[thin escarp]

if u a rented or stock laser on prospector

you really aint gonna break shit

@stone coyote

[stone coyote]

I have a lancet mh1 mining laser which one do you reccomd?

Recommend*

[trim meteor]

The lancet is good enough for everything in space, it can take awhile to charge up a rock, I recommend using a surge module to get it up there quick

[stone coyote]

I have problems with the asteroids not scanning though so ive been stuck with surface mining

[trim meteor]

Yup, that is a major issue atm, around 50% for me are unscanable 😦

but sometimes you find a really good one

[stone coyote]

ah damn hopefully next patch things will be no as bad. what are some good spots for space mining?

[trim meteor]

There are not so many that I have found so far, a few tips from youtubers, but none that was worked out "well" I often spend upto 1hr finding an OK rock

[balmy fulcrum]

nothing is more painful than being unable to mine a 40% quant rock with a mass of 6.5k

ive been enjoying mining tho

[bright flame]

Yeah, that's why I don't mine Lyria much. Finding a juicy rock I can't crack alone is such a sad.

[balmy fulcrum]

luckily i managed to find another 40% one i could crack, went to the refinery with a full tank of quant. first time pulling it off and i feel accomplished lol

[stone coyote]

whats a good build for the prospector?

[bright flame]

Lancet + Surge/Brandt/<whatever>

[balmy fulcrum]

what other planets do you recommend mining at?

[bright flame]

Lyria is really the only way to go for quant rocks. The alternative would be Aaron Halo, where you won't find a rock a Prospector can't crack due to 5100 being max size.

[balmy fulcrum]

thank you

[idle charm]

"mining laser 1" is the main laser on the mole right?

[lyric sleet]

is there a good place on aberdeen to look for hadanite

[frail roost]

Best load since the Refining update!

[wintry ruin]

Daym

[quasi pagoda]

So, is there any way to get your ROC back that has been impounded on a space station?

[frail roost]

Going off my spreadsheet, I currently have about 954k in refined Quant processing or waiting for pickup.

[frail roost]

Claim it, it's an instant claim at any ground vehicle station.

Sucks if you had cargo though.

[shy nebula]

which is a better place in terms of frequency and quality of rocks? the Halo or Lyria?

[crimson mantle]

Purely for quantainium?
https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Spaceship%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Quantainium%2520%2528Raw%2529%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[shy nebula]

yes

[crimson mantle]

Planets have "more per volume": see above

If you want to stick to space, those are the places: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Spaceship%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Quantainium%2520%2528Raw%2529%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%2522Asteroid%2520field%2522,%2522Lagrangian%2520point%2522%255D,%2522locationTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

That's the datamined answer in terms of raw quantity of quaitainium per location 😄

Of course some places may be more convenient, etc.

[shy nebula]

thanks!

[quasi pagoda]

Yeah, about 450 hadanite, and I went to the shipping terminal. They can take the cargo, but only 18 right now. I guess I'll come back and sell it off. Good think I have a second roc.

[pine patio]

Has anyone found any way of making cargo runs even semi profitable?

Literally seems pointless ATM. :(

[quasi pagoda]

Not compared to other activities

[pine patio]

I mean, anything would be nice. The commodities alert seem pointless and everything sells the same price at every location now i guess?

Filling up a C2 with scrap for 20k feels sad.

[marble crater]

yeah I used to enjoy doing a bit of space trucking in Elite. have to wait for them to really implement trade gameplay

only trade i do in SC is moving Quant

[delicate girder]

I remember there was a way to tell a small ROC mine-able rock from the distance. What was that? It was something like if the rock is within 1500M and something something ...

[pine patio]

If only we could move other people's refined ore for them. Can't even do that. Lol

[marble crater]

yeah can't even crate up some Hadanite to give to someone

[delicate girder]

You can't? Haven't tied it but thought you might be able to do that.

[marble crater]

can physically do it but shows up as stolen goods on their end when I tried

then they can't sell

[tribal bison]

Is mining fixed? https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-9980

[bright flame]

I'd love that if part of the refinery station was a player hauling station, where you could sell your refined or for a % of their value and then other players could purchase the load and then sell it.

I quite enjoy the hauling part of mining.

[marble crater]

yep sell the refined ore to other players and leave them with the 30K mess lol

[delicate girder]

Does this mean the rocks are two small to mine with a ROC (and have to be hand mined) or does it mean the rocks are under the fucking ground?

I tried to go out and mine them with my multitool but couldn't find them.

I have another case tonight where the outline of the ROC mineable rocks were there but I couldn't find the rocks. I assumed they were underground then. Man this is fucked up!

[smoky gust]

Sometimes mine-able rocks were clipped into boulders and slopes, so yeah kinda messed up.

[delicate girder]

Well, tonight it's been 100% of the time that this type of thing has happened to me on both Arial and Aberdeen.

No chance of getting those right?

Six oout of six finds and they're fucking hard to find.

[proper hound]

Tip here: if you can clip the mining gun insude the rock. You can harvest it

[deft sequoia]

I have a ROC and a conne, but i don't know which planet go. Any recomendations?

[delicate girder]

The mining gun of the ROC I assume?

Is the Store All Commodities option the one which creates a delivery type box which you can put on a ship?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[delicate girder]

How much hadenite (for instance) can a box hold?

[azure prawn]

As much as your ROC can hold

[gilded bluff]

are Cyclone RN beacons in the game atm?

[delicate girder]

Can a ship dock at a port and keep a vehicle now?

[quasi pagoda]

It sure can

[supple ivy]

Silly question. Using the Prospector and surged the living daylights out of my first rock and destroyed it...:(

Question ...if I press Alt 1 ) to use it and the.Alt2 ( for the Brandt how do I switch it off ? How do I get back to the normal Lance laser ?

🤔

[quasi lark]

So cargo refreshes a certain ammount every minute?

[delicate girder]

Be stored with the vehicle I mean. Is that a yes? Does it work with a ROC which might have contents? Does it work in all ports where you can store a ship? Anyone tried it with a Nomad?

[supple ivy]

Anyone here get stuck in the Prospector chair ? Unable to get out after a huge haul ? Honestly it's almost like the bug knows when you going to do a good run lol 😫

[wintry ruin]

Can you interact with anything?

Shift plus tab activates a cursor(that can't interact with anything) and loxks up input. Same again turns it off

[supple ivy]

Nothing. It's a bug. Has happened twice to me and generally happens after a good haul. You get stuck between you and the chair. The only thing you can interact is the door ... But the chair locks you in... Kind of like a kick in the nuts.. for all your hard work...😫 😩 only thing is backspace... But at that point whole Quantanium is gone .

[quasi pagoda]

Never get out of your chair between loading up and landing at the station.

Once you have landed at the station you can safely backspace and go sell/refine your cargo.

Edited: spelling

[slim atlas]

If you are going from station to station on it make sure to buzz atc and get the land checkmark before you leave, if you do 30k your ship will show up with all the stuff still if you do

But that wont work for quant lol

I personally dont enjoy quant mining, the time crunch on it is annoying

[wintry ruin]

^

[supple ivy]

Thanks for the tips. Yeah money doesn't yield much comparative to the time invested but the journey of search and find is definitely rewarding 👍

[wintry ruin]

You luck out on a few runs with high value rocks with high percentages, refine them using the high yield, low lost, very long time method back at the stations then just go out for more ore. Rinse repeat a few times then come back the next day to find a small fortune in refined junk waiting for you and haaul that very carefully to where you want to be

[thin escarp]

@delicate girder go to magda to roc mine. trust me

@supple ivy come mining with me today i gotchu

[supple ivy]

Thanks for tip @thin escarp but yeah out of the PU now.. appreciate the help & invitation m next time! . 👍

[thin escarp]

gotcha np. lemme know next time you pop kn

in

[hidden palm]

can anyone help me with mining?

[tame elbow]

What kind of mining

[hidden palm]

roc

so gem

[tame elbow]

You go to a mining outpost, spawn your roc, load it into a ship, scan for gems, gather them and sell that at the mining outpost

Easy as pie

[hidden palm]

i can find the gems

cant*

i scan go to the boxes and it just shows rocks

[tame elbow]

Fly around and scan for them. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. Only small close by deposits will be gems. Far away ones are usually big rocks

Can't seperate the two from your pings until CIG changes it unfortunately

[hidden palm]

okay ty

[quasi pagoda]

Easy to tell the difference between a gem and a rock.

If you see a box at a distance of less the 4k, it's a gem.

Don't scan boxes from a distance, you will only detect boxes for gems at 1500m max, they will change to gems at 500m .

To find gems you have to fly low and slow. I mean really slow.

I have more luck driving 60 and stopping regularly than when I go 90-100, and over 100 it's almost impossible.

[thin escarp]

@hidden palm you need to fly low. id try magda

[lyric sleet]

I've had a little luck finding gems by taking an investigation mission and using the cave area as a start point for searching for them

[main saddle]

Yeah, I had my ROC stored on my Nomad for a while. Recently, it was with my Taurus over several gaming sessions.

[main saddle]

If you land without authorization, your ship gets impounded and you end up standing at the terminals and you can go to the refinery deck and set up your job.

[balmy fulcrum]

although i frequently get stuck in the chair, i dont see how you manage to lose a whole haul of it, what requires you to get out of the chair so often? lol
i always get stuck in it when landing at the station but by that point i just kill bind and still can make it to the terminals in time

[north oyster]

Not sure if you got answered but if you get a Prospector you will need a ship like the cutty to carry the refined ore to market. Right now ROC mining is really screwed up because the PING is total trash for small deposits. You have to be within 1000 meters to pick them up. If you get a Prospector you can rent a cutty to take your refined ore to market until you can afford to buy the CB. I would say go for the Freelancer MAX over the cutty because of better transport for ROC and much more cargo for refinery jobs.

[north oyster]

ROC mining has taken a huge hit in this patch. First problem was the PING and taking forever to find deposits now. Second is that the Laser fails (the old bug of laser and collector swapping roles). Third is that the ROC components are now failing at an excessive rate. I feel luck to get just one run before failure. Last attempt with the ROC was I found 6 hadanite rocks and it failed after the second rock being cracked. It's about totally FUBAR at the moment.

[north oyster]

Yep, the PING is totally worthless for small deposits like we mine with the ROC. Now they don't show up unless you are within 1k meters of the deposit. And then the ROC is failing with the laser bug and also components failing quickly. it's like someone at CIG took a sudden hate towards the ROC and screwed it over this patch.

[bright flame]

I could live with the tiny scan distance, as it makes the process more time consuming, but the sheer bugginess of ROCs in almost every aspect of them, makes it just not worth it. I hope it gets some love soon as I quite enjoyed ROC mining when it was mostly reliable.

[paper coyote]

is mining bug ?

[north oyster]

For the whole time 3.14 was in PTU, the issue of the PING distance was listed as a "known issue" until they apparently couldn't resolve it and just listed it now as "works as intended"

[north oyster]

Yes, the laser is swapping with the collector a good bit

[paper coyote]

ffs ok thanks

[north oyster]

It was a bug they took care of at the May/June but apparently it has revisited us again

[gilded bluff]

do the refinery jobs reset when you reset the account?

I mean do the jobs dissapear

[lyric sleet]

If I 30k do I lose everything in my roc

[autumn pebble]

From my experience yes

[lyric sleet]

Thought so

[graceful garnet]

now if I transferred some of the roc gems to my backpack and then get 30k'd, do they stay in the backpack at least?

[north oyster]

Yes, I believe that the refinery jobs do not persist through a character reset.

[north oyster]

Yes they do but you need to swap the armor out that you have stored the gems in. So if you loaded up your Pembroke armor, you need to then swap to another armor set. You might keep it if you're wearing it but I don't think so. I always swap the armor to something else and I have never lost any gems that way.

[graceful garnet]

hm I see

[north oyster]

I keep two sets of Pembroke armor just for that since they hold a fair amount.

[graceful garnet]

hah, good idea

[supple ivy]

No you are correct. I jumped on to a different server and the haul was still intact. ;) So yeah thank goodness!

[serene quest]

Much appreciated!

[native cedar]

What is a great beginning ship for doing cargo runs?

[mystic quail]

Most of the ships you can get early dont have that much scu so cargo isnt really worth it.

[paper pewter]

How beginning?
Nomad
Cutlass black
Freelancer
Constilation
Trade as a concept is in a tough spot as it seems there is little supply.
https://starcitizen.tools/Cargo#Ship_Cargo_Stats

https://scfocus.org/ship-sale-rental-locations-history/

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Constellation%2520Taurus%2522,%2522investment%2522:500000,%2522profitType%2522:%2522pure%2522%257D

[wintry ruin]

Nomad but given how poor a return most cargo hauling is atm you really want something bigger of you want to make a living fro it. Caterpillar or Hercules

If they're too big, Connie class. 96 scu for most. The cargo hauler has a hundred and something.

[chilly herald]

wheres a decent place to mine with a prospector

[paper pewter]

Rainbow data https://img.guildedcdn.com/MediaChannelUpload/08b121e39ce29556f3b3c54619d2746c-Full.png?w=1052&h=802

[deft sequoia]

could anybody help me mining with a prospector, i rented one yesterday but i dont know where to find quantanium

[ornate rock]

have you ever mined anything?

[deft sequoia]

yes

[ornate rock]

k, just making sure you don't jump from 0 to 100

Quant is pretty common in the aaron halo and on Lyria, also used to be fairly common in the Yela belt and on Daymar I think, but not sure if that has changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al97C_VdFUE
this video explains how to get to the Aaron Halo and how to find it on Lyria, might wanna skip around a bit guy talks a lot for little info

[paper pewter]

And my biggest single tip is double clicking the trigger sets mining laser power to zero.

[deft sequoia]

Thx for the info : )

[formal urchin]

does the table also apply to 3.14?

[serene quest]

If I use CRU-1 to refine, do I also have to pick it up there, or can I access my order via another refinery?

[deft verge]

Has to be from the same refinery

[serene quest]

thanks

[crimson mantle]

https://sc-trade.tools/mining does apply and always will, if you have doubts about other sources 😄

[thin escarp]

@deft sequoia you cant break quant with a rented prospector

its useless stock laser aint cracking nothin

[tacit laurel]

is there any viable trade routes for the MAX right now?

[pearl elbow]

let me know if you find one, I love hauling cargo

[north oyster]

As other may have already mentioned, the rental Prospector is extremely limited in what it can do. You will need to focus on pure volume what whatever you can get and either sell it raw (about half earnings) OR if you have a cargo ship Cutlass Black or larger, then refine and take to market.

You will be hard pressed to make back your investment as the current rental configuration stands. This is a complete failure by CIG in this area.

BUT you will learn the basics. Also, you can team with the King of Mining, @thin escarp and be in a great position to Learn and Earn with his team of MOLE ships.

[wintry ruin]

What's the best armour with heat resistance?

[north oyster]

You can do small trades in the ArcCorp area. A number of stock items spawn in quantities that the MAX can take advantage of. Be sure to check out @crimson mantle for good ideas

[north oyster]

Pembroke

It is listed in the Undersuit section, not the normal armor section

Easiest to find at the Refinery Stores

[wintry ruin]

Thanks, all I got is Novikov right now

[north oyster]

FYI for all you Traders!! Ship Showdown is now taking votes. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ship-showdown2021/live-showdown

[north oyster]

Novikov is great for those frozen planets but she don't do too well on Aberdeen or Arial

[tacit laurel]

oh man should I upgrade my max to a cat since it's available

[north oyster]

CCU? Trade isn't your friend right now so that might be a waste of funds

I've got a C2 that is collecting dust

[tacit laurel]

for the future, I still have a warden for current stuff

[north oyster]

I plan to upgrade my game package Cutlass Black to a MAX because she is great for ROC transport (if it ever comes back as a viable game play) and refinery job deliveries to market.

[tacit laurel]

I just want to be a space trucker 😦

[north oyster]

Yeah, I plan to get a Hull C for that

[crimson mantle]

It's bound to be a lucrative career again in the future.

[tacit laurel]

Ok, I just gotta decide between the CAT and the Starrunner

[north oyster]

the MSR is really sweet and fun but way less cargo than the CAT. The Starlifter is a beast for cargo and trade but little more pricey in that range. The CAT is the perfect balance between cost and ability. It's future ability to do other things is also a big plus

[shell edge]

it is the C2, not the MSR

[north oyster]

Ah, the Starlifter, ok

I love my C2 Starlifter and plan to keep it despite the state of trade

[shell edge]

I'll keep mine until Merchantman, or another loaner....

[tacit laurel]

iDK HOW TO FEEL ABOUT THE c2, IT'S JUST NOT SPACEY ENOUGH FOR ME

oops caps

[shell edge]

I kind of wish I could get to try out the Hull C too, before MM

[north oyster]

This fall I will try to secure CCU path to the Hull C and maybe the Orion if I'm feeling rich.

[wintry ruin]

Excuse me, where's the hand cart option?

[north oyster]

LOL, I Know right?

[wintry ruin]

https://i.redd.it/drygd7bn2mj71.png

I've yet to find a functional one

Very valuable, just flying off the lot

[north oyster]

The Argo Cargo made it though

[ornate rock]

they announced that like two days into the contest

on the official twitter iirc

[north oyster]

And of course they would have be voting against my favorite utility ship, the MAX to advance it

[tacit laurel]

maybe I'll just keep my max

I'll just use my leftover $40 in store funds to buy a Dragonfly lol

put that in my MAX until cargo is worth putting in it

[north oyster]

Also in this patch the MAX has unlimited laser ammo, you can fire all day long with no delay

[tacit laurel]

Also the max has respectable cargo space to earn in game currency when trading becomes viable again

I can just work towards the bigger ones

[chilly herald]

is refining worth the trouble ?

[marble quail]

can anybody help me with how to sell stuff from fps mining? i got some hadanite and i have tried both storing it on my ship and keeping it in my backpack. i've gone to mining outposts like edmond and stanhope and the admin terminal at lorville and nothing ever shows up under source on "sell". can't for the life of me figure out how to sell it

[obsidian stone]

Compare the prices of refined vs raw in https://sc-trade.tools/home

[north oyster]

Yes, but knowing the type of ores to refine and the type of process to do it comes into this gameplay loop

Never refine anything under Agricium

The slowest, highest yield and cheapest works best BUT you can't be in a rush because each load takes about a day to refine.

Some refineries offer a bonus or a penalty for what you are refining

[foggy iron]

Oh no. I had a free Freelancer after flying the cutty and I hated the handling of the FL so much I never flew it again. The max flies the same. Yecch. Yes it is bigger than a cutty but I would still save for an MSR to get the same cargo while flying better. Just my opinion.

[north oyster]

Depends on what you get use to. I love the MAX and have logged many hours in her. The Cutty is my game package ship. The Roll-On and Roll-Off (RORO) of the MAX with the ROC is fantastic. The handling of the MAX is great for low, slow scanning. The fuel economy of the MAX is like no other. Never run below 98% hydrogen. Overall, I will be trading in my cutty for a MAX at the "great reset"

[tacit laurel]

as someone who doesn't follow the game that closely, what does "great reset" stand for

[north oyster]

I would also volunteer that the handling of all ships have changed and they had tweaked the MAX where she handles really well for a ship of her size ... not as good as a Crusader ship, but still good.

[north oyster]

When they wipe all the accounts for the next version of the game aka Alpha 4

[tacit laurel]

so it will get rid of all my ships besides my starter?

[north oyster]

Everything for everybody set back to pledge

What you own from real world purchases is what you will have

[tacit laurel]

and it just gives us the store money equivalent?

oh oh

I see what you mean

maybe

[north oyster]

all ships, all aUEC, all components, inventory, etc. Only what you have in your hanger on the webpage is what you will have in the game. Just like starting over

[tacit laurel]

I see what you mean

now

[north oyster]

sorry to confuse

[tacit laurel]

So I'll keep my Aurora upgraded to a warden, and my standalone MAX

[north oyster]

yes, anything you've bought in the store online with real world funds is yours through the whole game and into retail release

I have a small fleet that is focused on industry like trade and mining

My daily driver is my 325a that I can also use for bounties if I have to go that route

[tacit laurel]

I think I'm just going to hold on to my current ships, and use the $40 I have left on the store to buy some single seater for just flying around

[north oyster]

yeah, I have an Aurora for short hops and quick claims

I have to treat SC like an alcoholic does liquor ...

[tacit laurel]

although I should melt my MAX and just buy the showdown version

same price, but gets me more insurance time

[north oyster]

that's a legit option for sure

all my ships have either LTI or 120 month insurance

[marble quail]

not trying to be a bother but can anybody help me with this? new to the game and can't figure out why i can't sell at any place i go. ship or personal inventory never shows up under source

[ruby moth]

change your armor and then go back into the terminal

[marble quail]

i'll try that. thank you!

[serene quest]

Are you able to load what you can in a smaller ship (Titan) and come back for the rest?

[thin escarp]

no

@serene quest

[serene quest]

Much appreciated

[gritty pasture]

hello, which place i can sell hardanite?

[plain drift]

Is there an easy way to find your way back to your ship and ROC if you happen you die in an unrelated manner (heat bugged out and killed me when i took the helmet off to try and cool down faster) so everything is fine it didn't explode but have only the vaguest idea which hemisphere of the moon i was on let alone exactly where i found the last cluster.

[crimson mantle]

Just about every planetary outpost: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Hadanite

[outer wigeon]

Where do you mine with a roc now? Basic Lazer, >if there's even any different ones atm

[thin escarp]

@outer wigeon i have my best luck on magda now

[outer wigeon]

Thanks

[pliant fjord]

Are shop inventories clientside?

[thin juniper]

no

[pliant fjord]

aight

[smoky gust]

Taurus vs Freelancer MAX in terms of firepower output (for self-defense), which is better?

Need to find a dedicated cargo for carrying quants to planets and cutty black is way too slow (due to 48 SCU cargo size)

[wintry ruin]

Tarus. This message brought to you by the Connie fan club.

[smoky gust]

Does it flies better than MAX tho, in your opinion

[wintry ruin]

Handling? Been a while since I've flown a freelancer, and check the Erkul site for the raw manoeuvrability numbers but: god no. Connie is a big girl and all that mass is in her aft. She's been my main ship since my first day in the verse so I'm used to her though.

Lots of fire power for the pilot, though. Connie line also has one or two gun turrets, that parasite fighter is an unexpected punch in the right hands and with a size three shield you can certainly take a few hits before you need to worry

[smoky gust]

I thought Taurus doesn't have snub fighter bay? But anyways thanks for your pov man, i'll probably go for Taurus.

[wintry ruin]

You night be right , I am very tired right now

[serene quest]

Asked this exact same question earlier. I’m debating on the Taurus as well, just as an all arounder doubling as my bounty ship.

[smoky gust]

yeah with those firepower should be suffice. Not sure about the maneuverability tho. But still those large cargo capacity is good

[frail roost]

Yummy! Actually managed to fill up my C2 with worthwhile cargo... Titanium!

[spiral olive]

niice

[gilded bluff]

guys is there a list of hidden bases/places for this patch?

[fleet gulch]

If only they were actually solid

[wintry ruin]

I'll warn you both getting those guns on target and keeping them there against small.craft is an ask

[smoky gust]

Noted. But probably I only use it solely as cargo transport to cities so should be fine 👍

[wintry ruin]

Ah then yea that should be good. I might have advised another model for more general use. If its JUST cargo hauling I might recommend looking at the caterpillar for sheer bulk

[plain drift]

Yeah firepower is nice but bringing a connie to bear on something like an arrow is a pointless task that just results in you spinning around while getting peppered. Its a bit different if you have crew to man the turrets in that case its way less of an issue but as a single pilot large ships don't tend to be very handy against smaller ships. Missiles can help but you'll quickly find once your out of the off the surprise alpha strike smaller ships will just sit inside your missile stand off range and you end up having to try and outrun them to get enough space to lock and fire which even the AI seems pretty good at shutting that down let alone another player who will know exactly what the deal is once you try it once. Besides getting your connie dunked on by a light fighter hurts on an deep deep level

[dim dew]

why does every time i get below 5000 scanning feet from the box gems , it disappears?

[wintry ruin]

They have to crack the shields first. I sat in a swarm of npc fighters in the Connie and wasn't terribly bothered

[north oyster]

Gems only show up at under 1000 meters. So if you're scanning something at 5k, it is the echo of a larger return like a large ore deposit - which I found can echo back from over 12K

[undone ibex]

with my prospector i get echoes somewhere in between 8k to 9k

they remain visible until about 15k after youve discovered them

[north oyster]

both are large ships, with the Connie having a fair amount more to move around. The MAX got some love two patches ago that fixed the issues with thrusters, lights, etc and does pretty good overall for handling but neither ship will fly like a small fighter (of course). The connie has some crazy firepower and solid defenses now and is a premium ship to fly. The MAX is my go-to ship for now but I do have the CCU for MAX to Taurus sitting on ready.

[north oyster]

Yeah, the echos, their "moving" and scanning is still somewhat confusing and a mess. Just using it in Aaron's Halo was an adventure. Not so bad planetside but PING remains worthless as related to ROC/FPS size deposits.

[undone ibex]

i think thats where im mining

its on left upper side of the map, right?

12.5mkm away

sometimes it takes quite some time until i find a roid thats worth mining

many only have like 3 - 7% quanta

only a few 20-50%

[north oyster]

I've not nailed down all the "inputs" from the interface and HUD. To me it is a downgrade from the previous rendition.

Oh yea, I found a cluster of 9 Quans and only one was above 10%

[undone ibex]

is there a faster place for mining quanta?

[north oyster]

@thin escarp has that aspect down pat for best locations. I still run the asteroid belt for convenience and ease of use.

[undone ibex]

is there a way i can tune my scanners and the ping?

most of the pings i cant scan at 8k+

[north oyster]

It's a canned package at the moment. They do promise more granular control later

I really liked the previous PING implementation because they were separate items and also you could control range and power

My joystick mapping is still a mess in this patch and ping is making it all the more irritating. Also, the scanning isn't engaging as it should when working with mining, you sometimes have to fire the laser for the scan to update

[undone ibex]

oh yea its killing me

also if you have a lot cracked rocks and are sucking up the tasty quanta

searching for the ones with 100%

its killing too much time to scan the rocks again

the information should be saved somehow

[north oyster]

absolutely

[undone ibex]

i always scan every rock. and then you have to scan them all again

[north oyster]

It was saved and quickly retrieved in the old system, they need to bring that aspect back

Switching back to laser (set to lowest pwr) and hitting it with that is the quickest way to bring scan back online but that also waste time

[undone ibex]

yes thats what im doing. but its still a lot of wasted time

[north oyster]

agreed

[undone ibex]

what im also missing is a display where you can check your cargo

[north oyster]

It would be nice if contents was persistent on the HUD rather than having to swap to mining mode to check levels

[undone ibex]

the pilot should be able to see his cargo. and the displays back in the cargo rooms should also be used for checking the cargo

[north oyster]

heck, most of the time my cargo doesn't render, so I just fly blind, LOL

but the ship having a status would be nice, that's for sure

[undone ibex]

some things like transfering cargo should be possible to order via your mobiglas

if you order via mobi maybe with some kind of a fee

i can order a pizza with my smartphone today lol

[paper pewter]

What is actual percent quantum of a bolder if it return 6000%?
Was is divide by 40?

[undone ibex]

i dont know sorry

[north oyster]

Move the decimal two places over to the left. I'm not sure if it'll be a 60% rock, I've not seen one that high. When you scan it with the laser you will get a more accurate reading without the 100x error of readings

[magic flume]

That would be a 60% rock however that doesnt acount for the amount of inert material in it so in reality it can be much lower if it has a lot of inert

But yes it is just dividing by 100

[hollow sedge]

Is cargo hauling fixed yet, and has the duplication glitch for ore been removed yet?

[north oyster]

I forgot to test the dup glitch last night, but I hope to test it again. I don't think it will be addressed until the next patch

Cargo hauling from refinery to TDD?

[paper pewter]

no, i am 90% sure that my razor doing scouts had the sensor say 6700% quantum and i saw multiple 5000% titanium's https://i.imgur.com/xbOrOev.png

[north oyster]

I've noticed that the scans are all over the board from initial scan results to laser scanning before cracking. The laser stage shows the traditional "corrected' percentage concentration of ore in the deposit. I haven't documented yet how that is all working out but the trend that I have noticed is that you can't really use the initial scan for anything more than "yep it has a bunch of Quan" to "nope, nothing in that rock"

[paper pewter]

If it was at least consistent then a mustang alpha could pre-scout, calculate what the correct percents are, and call over the mining ship.

[thin escarp]

@paper pewter it's useless to scout ina non mining ship. the data is to fucked

[paper pewter]

is there no pattern?

[wintry ruin]

We need to be able to pin rocks like targets when we note high concentrations.

[paper pewter]

i have never brought a deliverable cargo box with me for that purpose

[raw shell]

meh, two 30ks in a row just when I finally start mining a decent rock.

mickeysoft has my fking number today

they need to port this to linux.

[lethal walrus]

How's the drake caterpillar

[paper pewter]

strong cargo capacity, very difficult to load vehicles, poor agility and top speed, fun with 2 gunners https://i.imgur.com/hewiOe3.png

[coarse cape]

Pretty sure that cat will have lifts in the modules for grouches

Vehicles*

[slim atlas]

When they fix the lifts youd be able to fit most ground vehicles

The standard one should have lifts but they arent added yet

[lethal walrus]

Guessing can make allot of credits with it?

[paper pewter]

Supply is very poor across the system currently. Profit margin is around 20% provided you can find cargo.

[slim atlas]

If you can get a full load of valuable cargo yes, but that is the hard part at the moment

[raw shell]

isn't the m4 about the same price, in game?

[coarse cape]

m4?

You mean c2?

[paper pewter]

StarRunner    4.9 million
C2 Hercules   4.9 million```
https://uexcorp.space/ships

[coarse cape]

Yeah

[raw shell]

oh meant the m2 herc

[coarse cape]

It’s a little more but holds less iirc since it’s made for hot drops and vehicle transport

But you get more armor and an extra turret

[raw shell]

ah but the C2 would compare closer

4.9 mil, 696 scu

[coarse cape]

Yeah

Though trading is borked so would see much use

It’s nice to have if you got a mole or prospector though

[raw shell]

looks sexier than the cat. That caterpillar is like driving a 200m shoebox

[coarse cape]

Fr

But it’s also drake

And surprisingly it’s not held together by duct tape

[slim atlas]

The big thing is with the cat is both turrets are active, dont think you can do that with the c2

Plus you have more guns for the pilot

[raw shell]

good point

[coarse cape]

Pretty sure co pilot gets one?

Or is that only for the m2 chin gun

[slim atlas]

They get access to two but only one at a time

[coarse cape]

Ah

[slim atlas]

The cat with a crew of 3 you can lay down a wall of fire

[coarse cape]

I know in the m2 the co pilot gets a chin gun

[slim atlas]

I will say if youre doing any eva in zero g the cat is quicker to exit

[coarse cape]

Yeah

[slim atlas]

But if you need a tank its c2 all the waya

[coarse cape]

You have to open the cargo doors on the herc or take the crappy elevator

[slim atlas]

Though if I am roc mining solo I just use the cutty instead

[frail roost]

To be accurate, both turrets on the C2 will fire regardless of which you're controlling, IF they both have line of sight.

[bright sinew]

Do you get to keep ore you mine in prison? because I'm like down there anyways

[modest helm]

Mole + Taurus or Mole + Max? Thinking of a good miner + hauler package. Taurus hauls more but is bigger and more expensive. Max has 56 less SCU is smaller and less expensive. Thoughts?

[wintry ruin]

Nope. Take it up with Hurston Dynamics.

[bright sinew]

why live

[manic whale]

Taurus/MAX is in my thinking good addition for the Prospector as can haul aprox. 5x its load. For MOLE, I would chose something similar = 5x 96SCU

[modest helm]

ok thanks. That would be the Cat or one of the Crusader haulers.

[manic whale]

yeah, for ingame money anything. For $ I would look for Cat or Hull-B

[bright sinew]

If I rented a mole, would I be able to quantanium mine with it stock?

[bright flame]

I do MOLE/Taurus personally, as I like the greater protection the Taurus has over the MAX, as well as that extra cargo room, which I've made use of many times. It is more of a challenge to land, however, it's been my experience you get sent to hangars that your ship barely fits into with both, so the differences of landing are pretty minor. The TTE (Time to Exit/Enter) for MAX and Taurus are very similar, too.

[wintry ruin]

Deffo practice landing either with an empty hold. Or like, do any loaded landing with kid gloves on and the speed limiter barely off the stop to be safe. I love the Connie and can land her in first person without sweat either hanger or pad but it took time getting there.

[bright flame]

I'm quite confident in landing the Connie, as well, and even rather enjoy that part of it. I still hope they add in a landing UI to make it clearer if my massive tail protrusions aren't hitting anything.

[manic whale]

You cant rent MOLE

[wintry ruin]

Oh we need the UI for sure, or even a camera. Lights directed at the landing gear for night landings is a must too.

[cedar flower]

does cargo have weight?

It does not feel like it does, but maybe someone can enlighten me more

[crimson mantle]

No, not at the moment: loading up on 500 tons of gold doesn't do a thing 😄

[cedar flower]

good, and I thought I was crazy for getting no issues by loading 120 SCU gold into my freelancer and feeling no extra weight

hope thats changed soon, or I may actually land with my fully loaded hull class on a planet >:D

[raw shell]

anyone know the best place to look for Aphorite?

[crimson mantle]

Yes I do! Just scroll down: https://sc-trade.tools/deposits/Aphorite
😄

[raw shell]

damn, was just searching hurston and didn't find anything. Ok thank you!

[crimson mantle]

With the new radar rework you need to fly really low 😦

[wintry ruin]

Only show up as a box on the HUD 2k out and a gem at about 500m

[raw shell]

yep flying low and slow

[hollow sedge]

When I was mining earlier the mining GUI kept resetting to the scanning thing, is there a known fix?

[woeful gorge]

is there an estimated profit for mining hadanite in a roc?

[bright flame]

I think it's 220k for a full load?

[gentle spade]

For how long do you usually have to fly around to find a few rocks that can fill up (>70%) a prospector?
I usually fly for 1.5 to 2 hours to kinda fill mine while on the MT moons.

[marble crater]

I usually go to the asteroid belts & time ranges from 2 minutes to 2 hours lmao

[deft verge]

Can recommend the asteroid belt

20 min. Nice way to start the day

[tacit otter]

They both fire regardless of LoS, however, they will converge correctly if they can

[tacit otter]

not if you lock the hallway doors open

[tacit otter]

M2 gets 2x S5 for pilot, 2 2x S4 for copilot, and 2x S4 for gunner
That is more firepower than the cat

[wintry ruin]

Also significantly more tanky because all Drakes are made of paper and balsa wood:
https://gyazo.com/91eb6b5fd742b571d4257688de808df5

[north oyster]

Someone might have already replied but I'll chime in also. ROC mining is on life-support this patch for a couple of reason. 1. PING does not pick up ROC size deposits unless you are within 1k meters. So you can spend hours scanning and come up with maybe 3 deposits. 2. There is a bug of the laser/collector swapping roles and you can't mine any longer 3. the ROC components are now dying at an accelerated rate.
So 3.14 isn't a good patch for ROC mining. Otherwise we use to be able to pull about 220K aUEC each trip.

[north oyster]

You're going to be hard pressed to find ROC deposits in this patch. The issue is the PING fails to pick them up unless you are right on top of the gems.

[north oyster]

you may have a duplicate keybind or joystick setting. You can remap the scanning/ping. My setup is totally wrecked since 3.14 and I'm still trying to clean it up.

[raw shell]

yeah the ROC is a mess. Twice now I can mine a group of rocks, then after that rocks just won't charge. They scan ok but just no charging. Is there any kind of work around?

besides storing then respawning.. which seems to be the only fix

[north oyster]

Same, I found a nice deposit of 6 hadanite rocks, and was able to crack 2 of them before the ROC laser went fubar.

[raw shell]

damn that sucks

[north oyster]

Reclaim is about the only way, but since 2 minute wait, it works

Just miss the days of being able to store ROC in ship and use it for about a week without missing a beat. Now the whole game loop has been (once again) destroyed.

[raw shell]

looking for an issue report to pile onto for this.

[north oyster]

I need to do that also. HOWEVER, the issue with the PING is troublesome. For the whole of 3.14 PTU, the ping failure was listed as a "Known Issue" but just before the patch going Live, they changed the problem into "works as intended". Maddening

[raw shell]

I notice lately even the boxes don't show up until after I see the gems and pass them up

but at least you can find them with persistance.. this broken ROC crap is just game over

[north oyster]

I'm going to keep hammering CIG about the issue until it (pun intended) shows back up on their radar.

Time to VOTE !! We have the MOLE vs Reclaimer.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ship-showdown2021/live-showdown

Not a difficult vote for those in the mining guilds, LOL

[hushed fog]

is mining worth it because i don't know how to do it but i want to

[wintry ruin]

I'll add to this unminable deposits (Ten in one cluster!) and gem's spawning in under the ground or inside bigger rocks that you can't mine on top of the usual bugs, 30k's and what not that affects other parts of the game. Including money up and vanishing right now.

[raw shell]

It's worth it when it works

[deft verge]

Mining feels great when you get a full haul of Quant and manage to get it to the refinery quickly. But sometimes it takes a while to find a good rock and sometimes when you find one, you'll get a 30k and you'll have to start over.

[crude fox]

Barely realized the cat got an update to its shields

2 size 3 strongholds

[hollow sedge]

I am not talking about it swapping to pinging and scanning, I am talking about when you have the mining laser out, and you are pointing it at a rock, the first thing it does is scan it or do some sound thing for a few seconds then you can mine.

It keeps swapping between the mining and that starting scan or sound thing.

[wintry ruin]

Leave the mining mode laser active with 0% throttle

[north oyster]

The Ping/Scan is wonky at best. The current setup doesn't keep the status of the ore you have already scanned. Plus initial scans are reported in the pathetic 1000% mode instead of actual readings. Then when you switch to mining, it "might" rescan but to kick the scan in, I have to hit the rock with the laser. Then the scan shows a more accurate reading (way different from the original ping/scan). The whole system is still messed up as it relates to mining, which I think was just an afterthought to the programmers that implemented the system.

[hollow sedge]

Ok, thanks.

And what percentage in a rock should I be looking for (when mining quant).

[north oyster]

I keep my laser bottomed out and use it as a "scanner" for ore after finding something to take a look at.

[north oyster]

You first ping scans will show something like 4300% ... that should be close to a 40% Quan rock. BUT that won't be known until you do the laser scan and get ready to break it.

[hollow sedge]

Ok, thanks.

The new scanning system is so annoying.

[deft verge]

Yeah, use the V scan mode to see at a distance if it has quant, if it has quant fly towards it with mining mode and then make sure it has a good percentage

[hollow sedge]

K

[north oyster]

I found a 9 Asteroid Quan cluster. Only one was above 10% showing a 2300% reading. 😦

[hollow sedge]

Was that in the Aaron halo?

[north oyster]

yes

[deft verge]

Ouch, I dunno what's worse, that or not finding one at all

[hollow sedge]

Yeah.

[north oyster]

I always mine in the belt, it's much more relaxing for me

[deft verge]

Same

CRU L1 refinery is like my home right now

[hollow sedge]

I swap between the halo and Lyria depending on how much I am finding

[north oyster]

That 3% Quantainium bonus makes it worth being home

[deft verge]

True that, and in the asteroid field there's no gravity, atmosphere or wind fighting you

[north oyster]

I always aim for ARC-L3 and fly 11.5M km to drop out of QT. It always seems to be a happy place

[hollow sedge]

I spent weeks mining quant, then I didn’t know I had enough to buy a c2 until after I bought an MSR

[north oyster]

Very cool

Very good ships too

[hollow sedge]

Both of them are good but I wish I got the c2

[deft verge]

Nice, been thinking of getting a C2. I have the cat but no idea if it's a worthy upgrade

[north oyster]

Real dollars? I have the C2 but besides running refinery jobs (and I normally use the MAX for that) it really doesn't have any purpose at the moment.

[hollow sedge]

Nah, in game money.

[north oyster]

I got a Tonk just to say I had something to put in it

[deft verge]

Yeah I have the cat for irl

[north oyster]

ah, rgr, That works. When you said "upgrade" that threw me because there is no upgrade in monopoly money

[deft verge]

Once trading gets fixed I imagine I'd do that as well

I like to keep track of different costs and try to make a profit

[north oyster]

I do have the HULL C on my Christmas list too

[deft verge]

At least I did when I played BDO

[hollow sedge]

Has there been any good update to trading?

[north oyster]

NO 😦

[deft verge]

nah, trading is totally fubar

[north oyster]

We won't see that until Cargo Refactor and also guilds for Trade

When we get reputation and also quest dealing with Trade events

[hollow sedge]

K

Ok, I gtg.

Cya.

[north oyster]

o7 L8r

[deft verge]

see ya

[open viper]

i feel like ROC mining has a lot of annoying things attached to it compared to just using a prospector

comes down to is it worth dealing with all the annoying stuff

finding a flat place to land, getting in it, mining, park and get out, fly somewhere else and repeat

i have had a lot of issues with the ramp of ships not being flat and i end up getting the roc stuck on a planet due to it

just cuz the ramp is just a small bit off the ground

[raw shell]

the roc isn't worth the trouble. Too broken right now

too many things broken

just today:

1. took it out, mined some rocks, dolvine
2. found more rocks, rocks would not charge
3. looked for more rocks, hoping rocks were bugged. Still wouldn't charge
4. Then mining laser would not even come on
5. Went to ground vehicle pad and tried storing/respawning roc, hoping that would fix it. I was able to store, but when I went to respawn it the pad was unable to retrieve it.
6. tried logging out in ship, getting another server to respawn.. could not get out of bed.. had to crash, loosing forementioned meager harvest of dolvine.
7. fine.

went to report issue... web page could not log me in, needed to approve pc, could not send code to validate.. bleh.

[woeful gorge]

😔

[north oyster]

ROC mining is a blast, love it ... sadly it has been killed off in 3.14. The challenges you listed as to getting down and low on the planet surface, spec'ing out landing, deployment and working directly on a moon or planet surface is exactly why I love it. It is an excellent change up from when I get tired of sitting in the cockpit of my Prospector.
Once you find a good ship and get use to it's handling for ROC support, it makes a huge difference. Of all the ships I have, the Freelancer MAX won out as the best RORO ROC support system. So much so that I will be CCU'ing my game package Cutlass Black to a MAX when the "great reset" happens (when they wipe all accounts for the next version of the game).

[open viper]

i had fun using the MSR

when i had one

[north oyster]

Agreed, the MSR is an excellent ship and would make a good ROC support ship. My issue is that it has a much larger footprint as compared to the MAX. I'm able to land on a raised ridge on a moon and deploy with no issues where, when in the MSR, landing on the surface is more of a challenge.

[open viper]

true

[raw shell]

I really hope they fix the roc soon, I really do enjoy it when it's working

for a mostly solo miner player... what do you guys think, C2 or an M2?

C2 for the cargo space, or M2 for the armor/firepower?

[open viper]

all i have atm is

[raw shell]

are you happy with the C2?

[open viper]

i have not used it a ton but i like how it flies

nice looking

huge cargo space

[raw shell]

yeah much sexier than the caterpiller

[open viper]

i hope the caterpiller will be nice down the road when they add in the modality

changing out parts

thats one of the selling points i think

caterpiller is not just a cargo ship

[deft verge]

Yeah, one of the reasons I am not sure if I want to upgrade my cat to a c2

[open viper]

at the same time you could upgrade and once the cat is good melt it?

or buyback?

something

[deft verge]

True, could do that