industrial-professions

[quasi pagoda]

Yeah fair enough.

[lyric sleet]

I think I'll still try and duplicate it because if it is an order limit, new or a bug, its new so it should be known

[pulsar geyser]

Ive saves enough credits to buy a Prospector. Any suggestions on ship upgrades? Like quantem drive and stuff

[gilded bluff]

first think you need for prospector is the mining laser and few active upgrades.
QT and other stuff, well you can do very well without all that

[bright flame]

Atlas is the best QT drive, though get that last

[wild summit]

this game is actually broken

ive tried so long to get quant

and nothing works

Ive found a 40% rock

and my lancet cant go through it

like cmon

ahh

It was becase it was a bad rock

oh nvm

its happeneing with the other one

[gilded bluff]

what was the mass of the rock? Did you use the active upgrades? I do it with surge, stampede and Brandt

[finite siren]

we got no way to mark a good mining spots right?

[fierce crater]

Box from a box mission should do the trick

[hollow sedge]

I have searched for an hour now and i havent found a single ROC minng spot on aberdeen or Arial 😦

ROC mining was more fun when it was new

[teal wing]

The fun needs a few additional layers of tedium before it matches the design vision

[hollow sedge]

its awful man i cant believe this is real

They basically removed the whole Laranite ores from the Planets and this is the new gameplay of it

Who would actively removed gameplay from the game

[wild summit]

whats the closest refinery to that belt that eveyone goes to?

[foggy iron]

Cru-L1 is OK if you aim for Arc-L3 then drop out.

Drop out between 12,750 & 10,250 from Arc-L3

[bright flame]

They are there, just very hard to locate. Have to basically fly right above the ground and ping every few seconds, looking for pings within 1500 meters, and occasionally flying directly over a patch. Definitely not viable, IMHO. I was hoping they'd boost it to at least 4000 meters, but alas, no. ROC mining is also extremely buggy, once you do find a patch.

[hollow sedge]

i did it as you just said

for 1 hour

i didnt saw 1 of those thigns

[bright flame]

I primarily go from ARC-L1 and fly toward Hurston for the Belt, and sell at Area18.

[hollow sedge]

"looking for pings within 1500 meters,"

What do you mean by that ?

Like can you set the Ping to a distance ?

Or you just mean generally it will trigger in bound of 1500m

[bright flame]

The ROC-minables do show up with ping, but only at 1500 meters, so you have to ping constantly from just above the ground and go pretty slow to see them.

[hollow sedge]

yes as i said

i spamed ping over the ground

saw hundred of big ores

not 1 Diamond type icon

[bright flame]

Yep. They're too rare and seen from such a short distance I've only ever found 4 patches in my attempts, and two of those I couldn't mine anything from.

Just unviable right now, sadly.

[hollow sedge]

Really sad

I mean yeah nerf Roc Mining profit but dont nerf the gameplay

[wild summit]

oh ok

so does flying fast affect quant

like will it blow up if i fly fast

[bright flame]

Nope. Pretty sure you have to hit something or land very hard for Quant to explode (Or encounter a bug). I can swing around wildly, boost, and go top speed in QT in my MOLE and I've never exploded.

[wild summit]

oh ok

Ive got 15scu's of quant

not great

I think

but ok

Im half full but couldnt be bothered to gather more lol

[wild summit]

thanks tho

[bright flame]

👍

[wild summit]

if I deliver it

this will be my first refine

[bright flame]

15 SCUs of quant is about 120k credits, should you get it refined and delivered, so still a tidy haul

[wild summit]

ooh

its tense

I havea couple of minutes to deliver and dont know where the refinery tablets are :

oh no I dont know where to go

ahh I found it

did they patch the dupe glitch

[bright flame]

Yes

[wild summit]

ah thats a shame

[lyric sleet]

how much is the mole to rent

[delicate girder]

Worse than the fact they patched the dupe bug is two other things. 1) so many of the astervoids/rocks are duds (as high as 75% won't scan at all) in 3.14 and 2) they're apparently greatly nerfed the occurrence of high percentages of quant in roids.

The third insult to injury is when you get to the TDD selling location they usually won't buy but a small percent of your quant at a time forcing you to wait and wiat to sell it all!

[bright flame]

MOLEs are not rentable currently. Have to buy it outright, and they are 5.1 million.

[lyric sleet]

UGH

[bright flame]

Log out to main menu and sign into a different server region. You should find a server that'll take all the quant.

[delicate girder]

Anyone use a mole as a single pilot?

[bright flame]

I do. Definitely takes a lot of getting use to, and I actively prefer it over Prospector, particularly for the 3X cargo.

[delicate girder]

One thing good about the Mole vs the Prospector is that it doesn't kill you about every fifth time you get into the ship. CIG is really going to have to fix that and a lot of other random death point before they release peradeath.

[lyric sleet]

my prospector doesn't kill me, i treat her right and refuel every time i dock lol, although if you open the ladder before getting in it doesn't seem to kill you

[bright flame]

My MOLE sprains my ankles by occasionally turning the ladder down to the laser like a 90 degree slide instead, but never kills me outright

[wild summit]

how have i found 8 quant all in the same 10km

[bright flame]

juicy

[delicate girder]

8 separate or 8 in a cluster?

[wild summit]

two 2's. and one group of 4

unfortunately they only have like 2%

or were over 6k mass

[delicate girder]

You in the Halo?

[wild summit]

nah

lyria

[delicate girder]

Yeah, realized that as soon as you said over 6k mass.

[wild summit]

haha

[bright flame]

I'm gonna try some more Lyra mining. Have had some decent luck with it, and while the zoom method in the Halo is super effective, it's not nearly as fun.

[wild summit]

I like lyria

less bugs

for me atleast

[delicate girder]

Maybe I'm just not good enough at the zoom methid yet but it's not fantastic for me.

It gives me tons of dud roids.

Wish CIG would fix the dud roids thing.

[bright flame]

I consistently get at least 40 SCU of Quant within 15 minutes with it. Only when I get a string of dud clusters does it not yield so well.

I'll sing the songs of praise as soon as they fix that annoying bug

[wild summit]

whats this method?

[delicate girder]

Last night, through three different server connections, I was getting 75% dud roids with the zoom method.

[bright flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadGv7QVcJw

[wild summit]

oh

[delicate girder]

That method is fantastic when you don't get 75% duds.

[wild summit]

ncie just got another 28SCU's

nice*

nvm

My wifi just turned off

gotta love it

[raw shell]

The unscannable rocks kind of make this not with the time.

[delicate girder]

Been to all the server regions and they're all will only buy a small qty.

[bright flame]

They definitely make for frustration when you keep coming upon them

[bright flame]

Yuck. May be best to just come back later if you can.

[delicate girder]

Been doing that for the last day.

Selling 1.5 million of quat at 25k every ten minutes plus travel time to the TDD in many cases is a bitch.

After I get done with this I'm done mining for a while.

[proper hound]

Before the free fly event I had no trouble to sell a whole cargo load of a MSR.. now it takes ages..

[bright flame]

Makes sense that a lot of free flight folks are flooding the market right now.

[proper hound]

Maybe its more profitable to sell it unrefined.
~130k for a full prospector load unrefined.. but instant cash.
If you measure the time to refine and do all the selling in small bits..

[bright flame]

I do sometimes just dump at the refinery just to be done with it. Still, I quite enjoy the effort of flying my Taurus over and getting that big juicy payout.

Will probably wait until late night to unload my current work orders.

[proper hound]

I love this part too. Esp when you see your work in the cargo bay (when its not bugged and invisible).
But I really hate to stand at the trade terminal and sell small parts of my load every 10mins+

[delicate girder]

Anyone having better luck selling large amounts of quant at a time (over 100k aUEC worth) at Loreville or Area 18?

[bright flame]

I typically sell at Area 18 and usually >300k. Free Fly is likely flooding the market right now, though.

[lyric sleet]

I get that in the halo just pulsing my scan and looking for groups, rarely do I get unscannables. I'll start the scan as soon as the rocks are pinpoints and switch to the asteroid symbol

[lyric sleet]

I was able to sell about 150k worth at lorville and area 18 last night but haven't tried today

[delicate girder]

Totally didn't get what you were saying there. Was there a technique for not getting as many duds in that somewhere?

[lyric sleet]

So I'll drop out at 12.5 million km to arc l5 and the set my cruise control and start just hitting tab to pulse my active ping

While doing that I look for groups of 2 or more rocks, when they show up as pinpoints I'll start to scan and by the time they've switched to the asteroid symbol the scan is about a quarter of the way done

[delicate girder]

So you don't use the parallax zoom technique?

[lyric sleet]

No not at all

Don't even know how to do it

[delicate girder]

Talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadGv7QVcJw

[lyric sleet]

I mean I know what it is just never watched the vid to learn how to do it

[delicate girder]

It's pretty effective once you get the hang of it, but I'm thinking it may possibly be more prone to producing duds. Then again it could just be my bad luck.

[lyric sleet]

I may watch it and give it a try but the way I do it I find at least a cluster of two within 5 minutes of dropping in

[delicate girder]

So what speed you usually cruise at and do you just go mostly in a straight line?

[raw shell]

do many of you solo with the mole? Tried that today, it did not go well

wonder if it's "got to get used to it" or if it just sucks

[bright flame]

I'm pretty well convinced that ALL duds are Quant rocks, so if the only rocks you even look at are Quant rocks, then you'll see a lot of duds

[slim atlas]

yeah I'm thinking the quant is having a spawn issue

[bright flame]

I solo MOLE mine. Took me a while to adjust to it, but now I love it and would never go back to Prospector.

[lyric sleet]

I'll set the limiter right underneath where it turns red and just look for deposits scanning so when I'm within about 5k meters I can see how many pinpoints

[slim atlas]

prospect is like a micromachine when it comes to storage

[lyric sleet]

If more than one I start scanning, if one I move to the next one

[bright flame]

The majority of my Quant hauls in my MOLE are >32 SCU, so yeah

[delicate girder]

Players probably crash the Mole more at first because it slows down more slowly right?

[slim atlas]

I dunno, I fly a cat as my main ship so...

[raw shell]

I didn't crash it.. just was a pain lining up with rocks and trying to break them. I thought the mole would be able to break 7k+ rocks too, but nope

[bright flame]

It slows down WAAAAAY more slowly than it speeds up, yes. I decorated stations with MOLE wrecks quite a few times before I adjusted

[delicate girder]

It can with multiple lasers on a rock. So can multiple Prospectors.

[lyric sleet]

If slows down faster if you 180 and use your main thrusters to slow

Plus if I remember right "x" is that beautiful space e brake

[bright flame]

Oh yes. Expanse that Brick

[slim atlas]

any of the big ships treat it as you're driving something huge, it stops long and turns wide

and if a pirate is in front of you, dont stop you got mass on your side

[raw shell]

x+shift too

[slim atlas]

depending on things may be x shift plus w or any of the other directions

helps reduce speed faster as that boost runs out fast when youre seeing a wall in front

[raw shell]

I think my mole is bugged too.. It keeps jumping around on pads. Completely floated away on PO

[slim atlas]

free range mole lol

[delicate girder]

Do you turn off the engines when you land?

[raw shell]

yeah with "i"

[delicate girder]

Several ships cando weird things when you bring them back if you don't have the engines turned off when stored.

[raw shell]

check this out.. it was skittering around when I just pulled it out of storage and now it's jammed on the pad, can't take off

[delicate girder]

And the engines aren't even on?

[raw shell]

well turned them on once I got in, finally worked it out of there. It's handling really weird

going to try storing it and bringing it out again

[delicate girder]

I'm not sure the Mole is worth it for me. Other than the Projector killing me every few entries and the MFDs being kinda bugged I really like it. Not sure the extra cargo space will be worth the grind to get it and the extra inconveniences. Also, finding multiple 35%+ quant roids is hard for me lately and extracting that much on a tight schedule is very hard for a single player too.

[lyric sleet]

Might not hurt to repair in case something got damaged when you tried to leave the pad

[bright flame]

Prospector is definitely much less complicated for a purely solo miner. I like the added challenge of the MOLE, but it's not for everyone.

[delicate girder]

I also like the view the Mole has. Is the view as nice in the Mole? Can't remember.

Down to 250k of quant left to sell! Woohoo! Been at this for hours doing other stuff and checking back every few minutes. Only 8 or so more sells.

Definately not ming much for the next few days. The free fly can't get over too soon!

Hope CIG learns from this mining stress test and improves shit!

[raw shell]

I just hope it's the free fly causing all these problems

[slim atlas]

unfortunately not lol even with free fly we got too low spawn rates for cargo with everyone in one system

[raw shell]

as opposed to CI saying "hmm. people are making too much money mining. We need to fix that"

[slim atlas]

dropping prices would have been wiser and not kill mining/cargo

keep the action going but mean more work for the money

[raw shell]

but.. making the money is the fun part

[quasi pagoda]

Yeah, it's annoying.

ROC crystals show up as boxes from 1500m and turn to crystals at 500m

You have to fly low and slow over the landscape. I fly at 90, about 100m up.

You will know you have crystals when you see a box icon within 5km of you (big rocks turn to the rock icon at 5km)

Any box icon less than 5km will be crystals.

But the whole process is tedious. I prefer prospector mining now.

@hollow sedge

[candid scarab]

What planet has the most gem spawns? I dont really care about types just spawns themselves

[quasi pagoda]

I have had the most luck on Aberdeen, but that's just my experience.

You will need a high temperature suit if you are on Aberdeen though.

[coarse cape]

god damn so many dud rocks

every roid but 2 are duds for me

[quasi pagoda]

If you are having a lot of duds I find server hopping helps.

[coarse cape]

yeah im about to bed log rn

[quasi pagoda]

I hope you have better luck!

[coarse cape]

thanks

[delicate girder]

We need a mining ship which can haul a ROC too!!!!

If a Mole had that too it would be a must buy! What it needs is a hoist that grabs the top of the ROC for fast loading and unloading!

I'd pay a couple more million for that "Mole ROCstar" version or sacrifice a thrid of it cargo space.

[bright flame]

I think that'd be interesting if surface deposits always/often had ROC-minables, particularly if cracking the surface deposit broke off ROC-minable chunks. That'd be pretty sweet.

[proper hound]

is there a selling cap?

got 10k quant i want but i can only see 3k

[bright flame]

Refined? If there's people flooding the market (As to be expected during Free Fly), the TDD centeris can run out of demand and you have to either wait or switch servers to find one that isn't flooded.

[proper hound]

aw

[quasi pagoda]

I thought the servers were all unified now?

[delicate girder]

From what I've seen all the servers are flooded during this free fly.

Took me an entire day to sell my 1.5 million in quant.

[bright flame]

Nope. I've swapped servers a few times, with the first couple having no demand, with the 3rd or 4th taking my full, 500k+ load.

[delicate girder]

What TDD did you sell at? I tried multiple servers and regions at the NB TDD and demand always sucked.

[bright flame]

Area18. I've had to swap servers as much as five times, but I always manage to sell everything, even if it's over a million

[quasi pagoda]

Well then, good to know thanks.

[raw shell]

When freefly ends on the 27th, do they do another character reset?

[marble crater]

hope not I don't want to have to get all my Certs again

[finite siren]

oooh that would be nasty move

[rapid sigil]

anyone else finding issues with the green are red thingo not popping up

i go into mining mode

aim it over the rock

wait a bit

nothing comes up

[raw shell]

Yes, sometimes if you start the laser it will pop up. If a rock doesn't scan/outline in yellow, it won't work though.

[rapid sigil]

also how do i jettison cargo

its giving me a warning

[tardy cosmos]

alt+j

I think?

[rapid sigil]

not working

do i have to be landed

[tardy cosmos]

Dunno :P

[rapid sigil]

3 mins and my ship goes boom

[tardy cosmos]

Left alt + J should be the correct key combo

There should also be a way to manually do it somewhere? hold F and look around

[rapid sigil]

spam press or hold?

[tardy cosmos]

Try both, you're set to go kaboom any minute now

[rapid sigil]

and there goes my hard work

why is the jettison so difficult

[terse creek]

finally got my 2M05 for the Prospector ! yaaaay . Tell me it isn't too buggy with the new scan mode

[raw shell]

I think if you press the blinking cargo button it jettisons too, I've never tried it though

[rapid sigil]

the rock gets outlined... nothing, unless i find the right spot on the rock its there until i turn my laser off then i have to relocate on the rock to find it again and by the time ive done that the green has depleted

and also sometimes before i turn my laser on it comes up then i turn it on it disapears

[proper hound]

should i get a herc or a MSR?

purpose is to transport mostly mining stuff

[foggy stone]

There us a button you press when the light is flashing yellow. go into interactive mode and push it that way if left alt + j is not working.

[foggy stone]

How close to the rock are you? I have made sure to stay about 25 away because when I get closer it gets finnicky

[rapid sigil]

i stay around the same

25-30

[quasi pagoda]

The Hercules carries a lot more, if it's primarily for mining cargo, I would consider the freelancer max.

But out of the 2 I would personally go with the herc, gives you a bunch of cargo hauling capability too.

[raw shell]

any way to wipe the windows in the mole turret? can't stinking see out of it

[wild summit]

: )

I dont really understand cargo

Like is it all illegal

or can you do some legal cargo haling

[bright flame]

Prior the trade being crippled, yes, you could take the biggest hauler ships and fill them with medical supplies or food or whatever and take it to a different port and sell for a profit. The quantities available and demanded are just so small right now that the profit is tiny.

[wild summit]

oh

k

Man I cant seem to load in rn

[raw shell]

if you want to pile on about the rock scanning issue:

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-6369

[wild summit]

ffs I cant log in

[coarse cape]

I also think the problem is the servers being linked together and people still trying to cargo haul

Basically first come first serve

[bright flame]

I can't say I understand how the commodities system works currently. Definitely makes profiting from trade quite impossible.

[lyric sleet]

This is in fact the reason trade is bugged, there's a total number of resources for trade and when a server goes down and a new one comes up, it pulls from that total but doesn't refresh it accordingly

[hollow sedge]

Someone in the chat was saying manual loading of cargo will be added next patch. Is this true? Ive looked at the roadmap and seen no reference of it

Ive been hauling some scrap around. Usually make 2k AEUC profit. Shame anything actually worth hauling is impossible to sell

[bright flame]

The first phase of physicalized inventory is supposed to come in 3.15. What that means, exactly, won't really be known until the PTU for 3.15 opens up

[finite siren]

hauling quant to area18 with star runner is so scary

[raw shell]

why?

[finite siren]

jumping to area18 crashed me through planet

well that 1mil lost

[delicate girder]

Out of curiosity, where were you jumping from when that happened?

[spare flint]

What do y’all think of this? Haul E coming soon!

[finite siren]

baijini point

[desert loom]

I think there probably isn’t enough agricium anywhere to fill up a hull E

Even if you could, investing 238M aUEC into a single trip seems super risky

[spare flint]

If you’re sitting that high why not right

[gilded bluff]

I had the same with same amount of cargo aprox. 2 days ago

but I was in a connie and desynced

[ancient ivy]

anyone else having issues finding quantanium since 3.14? just spent an hour in regular places on microtechs moons and didnt find anything over 6%. also spent time in asteroid belts and same issues. this a common thing since 3.14?

[teal wing]

Anecdotally yeah, not sure if that's reflected in the datamined values though

[ancient ivy]

youve lost me with that comment. can you explain that to a simpleton

[teal wing]

Sorry, I've seen a lot of people mention that quantanium spawns seem lower and 'dud' rock spawns seem higher since 3.14, but it's difficult to prove objectively. One way would be to get values for rock spawns from the game files and compare them to 3.13, but I've not seen that anywhere yet

[ancient ivy]

right ok i see. i have never delved that deep before, but certainly from an in game perspective myself and a few people i know are finding the same.

[round lintel]

Yo ever since the mining nerf is there any place better to mine with the ROC than Arial

[delicate girder]

Wait, baijini point is in geo sync above Area 18 isn't it? How does that get you inside the planet? If that's the case then maybe it's a batter idea to just slow travel down from the space ports above the capitals when we have big hauls?

[crimson mantle]

I have datamined all of that and found no difference between 3.13 and 3.14 🙂 (on the metrics I've compared, which I believe is all)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ozhpaq/314_miners_patch_notes_summary_datamining/

If you look at the quantainium curve for the deposits, you'll notice that 50% of the rocks have less than 3% Quant in them. It's very rare to find a good one: https://sc-trade.tools/deposits/Asteroid (Q-Type)

[coarse cape]

welp mining this patch is fucked for me.... looks like im going back to bounties since i get duds and constant 30ks while mining

plus bed logging finally took a toll on me lol

[teal wing]

I suspected that might be the case, thanks! Confirmation bias and probability at play ^^

I remember having more success with quant mining in 3.13, but that could be down to a bunch of things

[crimson mantle]

Right 😄
Scanning changed, so maybe it plays a role

[desert loom]

An 11% margin has a Kelly criterion of 50% assuming 95% success rate. 50% suggesting that at max you should risk 50% of your total worth.

[rapid sigil]

whats the best jump drive for a prospector

[desert loom]

Class A military are the fastest and best as long as you're staying near a planet

if you're jumping between planets (or the equivalent) you might want to look into a Civ or Industrial drive

[rapid sigil]

atm im running the atlas

i think its a civ class

[desert loom]

I think atlas is class A civ

either way, class a military will be fastest

[rapid sigil]

even if im going lorville to port o?

[desert loom]

no I would use Atlas there probably - if you have the fuel for the military one why not, fuel is cheap

[rapid sigil]

probs gonna run the atlas for long range jumps

and buy a mil A for short range

[desert loom]

for hauling the refined stuff I would always use a class A military

faster is more important b/c you have an inherent server crash risk

[rapid sigil]

i run a pretty small quant line, but ill be sure to buy a class A mil

[spare flint]

I mean agreed

[desert loom]

idk if 95% is fair

[rapid sigil]

what size jump drive does the prospector take?

[marble crater]

Faster Drive is also good when mining as you have a blowing up risk

[raw shell]

is there a way to see what's in your ship's cargo other than the trade center terminal?

[marble crater]

don't cook it lol

[proper hound]

anyone know how to fix the UI so dam blurry on my game?

[bright flame]

Tasty

[ancient ivy]

Where was this?

[proper hound]

halo

[ancient ivy]

Oh nice. I scouted the halo the other night me and another and had hardly any luck. Nice one!

[proper hound]

it is on pure luck

[remote lodge]

Thinking about getting ROC vehicle. But I saw that there is the 4 wheel ROC and then some with 6 wheels. What's the main difference between those 2? Cargo space?

[pallid temple]

One is multicrew the other is not

[remote lodge]

Oh, alright

[quasi pagoda]

One is good the other isn't.

Go the basic roc. The roc DS makes no sense.

[remote lodge]

Kk and is it possible to take the roc with cons. Andromeda?

[proper hound]

@ancient ivy feel the power of rng jesus

[ancient ivy]

You lucky sod! 😂 I’m not jealous.

[quasi pagoda]

Too bad you can't mark the location to come back.

[gilded bluff]

yes, you can load the normal ROC in connie but the cargo lift is still a bit wonky and will possibly damage the vehicle sometimes.

[proper hound]

my buddy is right next to it lol

[remote lodge]

Don't like to hear that... :D

[rapid sigil]

is the torrent III breakable?

[lament smelt]

Sheesh takes forever to sell quant these days. The market flooded?

[finite siren]

Fastest ive ever found a cluster xD

[quasi pagoda]

Yeah, free fly means everyone has a prospector.

Harder to sell than to mine it.

[quasi pagoda]

Nice, I had one where I dropped out of warp, and first ping I found a cluster 7km from me. Easiest run I have ever done.

[finite siren]

now im finding cluster and can scan but cant get heat on em :/

[lament smelt]

Ah may wait till next week then

[finite siren]

havent had any problem selling quant at area18. expect once yesterday when quantumdrive drove me through planets core and i lost 1mil cargo xD

[lament smelt]

May give it a go in lorvile atm as it was nearer

[fathom silo]

Current state ROC Vs Prospector?

[wild summit]

Haha. Now I haven’t heard that before

[quasi pagoda]

I have been selling today. About 100k at a time.

[lament smelt]

Yeh taken all morning to squeak through just over a mill

[spare flint]

lucky man

best modules for lancet quantom mining?

[proper hound]

brad

brad

and more brad

[finite siren]

how do u break bigger rocks?

[proper hound]

start crying and ask for friend to help

[glacial dagger]

Bro, no

[finite siren]

i hope cig fixes mining before 3.15 or atleast in 3.15

[north oyster]

I think we are stuck with what we have for this patch. No gameplay loop is worth soiling a .1 patch with .2 if they can help it.

[wild summit]

how does selling refined stuff work?

Ive chosen my ship and clicked delivered

do I just go to my ship?

or request it?

[quasi pagoda]

Once it's delivered to your ship, you retrieve your ship and fly to a trade centre

[wild summit]

k

I figured it out

im at area 18

and

I cant sell the quant

The line is greyd out

can I not sell here?

[bright flame]

That server's Area18 is flooded. Quit to main menu then sign into a different server region and check again. You may have to switch servers a few times to find one that has room.

[wild summit]

ah will i tget rid of my quant tho

[finite siren]

logging out wont remove your quant as long as your ship is at hangar or stored

[wild summit]

it sfine I just waited and was able to sell it

you know that zoom method

is it literally just looking for clusters

cuz its kinda hard

[bright flame]

It is a bit squint-o vision, but it works very well (When there isn't a ton of unscannable rocks about, anyway)

[wild summit]

I prefer lyria

can usually find quant very quiackly

[quasi pagoda]

Same problem :/ just by my ore damnit.

[finite siren]

😦

im done with space mining until they fix it. 4/5 clusters either unscannable or wont react to laser.

[wild summit]

mine on lyria trust its easy

[bright flame]

Lyria is certainly great, but I swear every good rock I find is 7000+, so I can't crack it solo.

[wild summit]

oh

I usually dind some really good rocks

just found 4 quant in like 3 mins

got 40% quant

and 30SCU's

[bright flame]

Nice. I'll probably still go there occasionally for variety.

[north oyster]

Not sure if the cargo will work as well as last time, But XenoThreat has now started

[north oyster]

Even using the surge and stampeded combo?

[bright flame]

Every time I've tried that the re-scan that happens every time you use a consumable causes me to lose the green zone while the Stampede is running.

[north oyster]

Yeah, 3.14 has brought us all kinds of mining happiness including killing ROC mining. Lots of warm fuzzes for sure

[manic whale]

Pew-pew needs to be tested 😉 ...not crying about hauling/mining, just saying

[spare flint]

There is a temp fix to this. Shoot a rock with the lazer and then go back to the one you wanted to scan. its only a temp fix and works 80% of the time

[bright flame]

I like ROC mining! Not for making money, but it's entertaining.

[spare flint]

I have a Argo MOLE if anyone is interested and bored DM me to tag along

[finite siren]

Ok yeah quantanium us hard to sell right now

[native latch]

can i go mining with anyone ive only been on for a week and im 400k away from a space ship trying to get some mining going to get more money

[pliant fjord]

What is the highest cargo hold ship I can rent?

i imagine the freelancer

[manic whale]

Andromeda 71k

[bright flame]

Yep, the Andromeda carries more than the Freelancer, though is quite a lot more expensive to rent

Freelancer holds 66 SCU for 33k, Andromeda carries 90 SCU for 71k

[pliant fjord]

Ah ok

trying to get into trading for some chill cash

This is what a discord bot gave me, does that look decent?

theer was a diff route with both places on arccorp but it's the same commodity/prices

[bright flame]

Neat. I've not used that bot before, so I don't know, but I may have to try that.

[wild summit]

How much does 32SCU’s of quant sell for again?

Like 200k?

[pliant fjord]

About 300k ish

3,200 x 80

[pliant fjord]

so 256k

[bright flame]

32 SCU of raw quant refines to about 30 SCU of refined quant, which sells for about 240k

[wild summit]

Alr thanks

I have 5 orderes of quant

[delicate girder]

I believe if you're at CRU L1 you can get nearly all 32 SCU of quant refined on the most efficient processes which will yeaild about 281k from which you would subtracts the refining fees and quant price at the time. Managed to do it at least a couple times.

[bright flame]

Ah, yes, using CRU-L1 does help, and if you get the best price it helps, too. 240k is kinda the 'base' level of what you should get at the very least.

[meager torrent]

Hi, i am new to mining. Can someone recommend me the best setup for mining. I have a prospector

[bright flame]

Here is a pretty thurough guide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al97C_VdFUE

Here is another method worth considering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadGv7QVcJw

For gear, I recommend Lancet 1 mining head, Brandt and Surge for consumables, then whatever passive module you like the look of.

[spare flint]

trading is fucked to shit rn so let me know if this works

[pliant fjord]

didn't, there was next to no supply

[spare flint]

Thats what I thought

All supply routes are fucked at the moment

I'd wait to trade when 3.15 comes out @pliant fjord

[pliant fjord]

yeah it kinda sucks

iirc the scrap routes are the only reliable routes

Buy at CRU L1, sell to Port Olisar

[spare flint]

delete this unless you want it to go out of stock

[pliant fjord]

well idk i just heard about it in the local chat lol

[meager torrent]

Thanks

[slim atlas]

hate to give up my good spot but over 20km from grim hex seems to be scannable quant by the boatload

have tried the last two days and have had good luck with it

[tacit otter]

Where are FLTR-XL modules sold?

[tacit otter]

Is it worth using 3 of them? or is it more worth to just do it faster with other modules?

considering how expensive they are...

[finite siren]

Depending what you mine, but still no 😄

[bright flame]

I run three of them on one of my MOLE lasers to help prevent filling up on inert when doing mining ops. Not all that useful, ultimately, but a bit helpful sometimes.

[finite siren]

If u mine quantanium you wanna get only 100% chunks anyway. For other mining its ok.

Im trapped in elevator.. power went off from panel 😂

[quasi pagoda]

Lol same thing happened to me recently . Just had to backspace out.

[finite siren]

yeah done it 2 times now :S

[tacit otter]

Im trying to mine and its literally being unplayable because every time I start using the mining laser it tries to scan the rock all over again
I cant see the optimal and overcharge range and its literally unplayable to mine without that

[quasi pagoda]

I find it only re scans I I move. You have to stay extremely still

[tacit otter]

Im literally sitting 100% still and its flashing on and off.

as soon as I touch my laser it rescans

Im 100% not touching my mouse, the VJoy is still in the deadzone

[austere canopy]

I have cargo of ore and stuff in my ship to sell but I can't find anywhere that will buy the ore

I even saw a thing saying olisar buys ore but it won't register it

[quasi pagoda]

Is it refined or not?

Basic ore you can sell on the refinery levels of the gravity well stations.

Refined ore needs to be sold at a TDD in a major city.

[tacit otter]

Does Orison buy refined Quantanium?

[proper hound]

not at the moment. But they will after dev expand Orison in 3.15

[crimson mantle]

There's no way you'll be able to fill on Laranite at the moment 😄
Try these, and use the "alternative commodities" to pad the rest of your hold.
https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Freelancer%2520MAX%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:10000%257D

[slim atlas]

Atm I think were strip mining as we take what we can get

[hollow sedge]

Hello all, new here . What can i do with the illegal cargo ? Is it profitable, im asking cuz there is a place that sells illegal cargo at lorivlle

Is it worth trading and if so where to take it to ??

[crimson mantle]

It's only good if you take a pocketful at a time, while in transit. It's challenging to sell more than a few SCUs at a time 🙂

As to where to take it, you can refer to https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer

[hollow sedge]

Thank u sir

[strange zealot]

So, Orison's TDD doesn't buy commodities. It's a copy of the Admin terminal. There's an Issue Council report that needs just one more reproduction to get it Confirmed. Anyone want to post one to get it over the line?
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-12908

[bright flame]

Interesting. I have no desire to go to Orison for selling due to how long it takes to get out of the atmo, but yeah, that's no good. Maybe if the prices there were significantly higher than elsewhere I could see making the trek.

[crimson mantle]

There actually is a proper Orison TDD setup in the files, but it's unused 😄

[cedar flower]

scrap trading makes no sense currently

Buysers and sellers are the wrong stations for both in a logical point of view

[crimson mantle]

Oh I'm not arguing: commodity trading is quite strange in many places. I'm just reporting the data 😄

[cedar flower]

no worries m8

I just used your site, because it has the prettiest UI

btw most the prices I noticed are no longer up to date

[crimson mantle]

It's hard to keep the motivation to keep these up to date patch after patch, especially when trading is not so good. That's why I automated mine 😛

[cedar flower]

ah I see
Where does it take the data from?

[crimson mantle]

The games .p4k directly, through https://github.com/dolkensp/unp4k

[cedar flower]

interesting

[crimson mantle]

Erkul uses the same tool to pull the ship info

[wild summit]

Is dolivine worth a lot

[crimson mantle]

It's the least valuable of the hand minables: https://sc-trade.tools/ores/Ground vehicle

[wild summit]

Oh cuz I found it in a prospector

Go away

[cedar flower]

I finished my graph on the trade with metal and how little sense the current flow makes

[bright flame]

Well, the way I see it sometimes rational layouts don't work for making gameplay interesting or fitting with the intended loop by the designers. Kind of like how ships have a 'max speed' in space in SC. It's necessary to have the thrilling dog-fights instead of shooting bullets at tiny dots thousands of miles away and watching them softly pop.

[ornate rock]

just gonna leave these here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VFw1F-olQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2muGWtX8e7g

second one is the more recent info and recaps a lot from the first

if you only have time to watch one, watch the second. but the first one has some additional info that's still good to understand.

[cedar flower]

I gotta say that a realistic flow of metalic items actually would improve trade of them.

so lets say you dont want to mine, you can still bring ore from mining posts to refineries and turn it into metals yourself for further selling
this also would give people of salvage ships a place to sell salvaged parts to scrap yards

people then can go ahead and buy scrap from a scrap yard ad bring it to the refinery
this all is a much nicer gameplay loop than what we have now.

[ornate rock]

watch the video @cedar flower

[cedar flower]

I just watched the second one in full and well, it had no mention of them changing the places where materials are bought and sold
just that they change the pricings dynamically

[ornate rock]

that might be in the first then, I might be mixing up their contents, been a while that I watched them.

[bright flame]

That's a point. Having more paths for haulers to take would make them all the more appealing.

[ornate rock]

the whole trade system is going to be replaced, so you are likely to waste a lot of energy if you try to suggest changes to it that are already addressed with quanta

[cedar flower]

well we dont know if they also plan to change what place sells what
so better make them aware of it before they bring the new system online

this will reduce overall workload thats needed to balance quanta

[ornate rock]

yes we do know that it's going to change

the whole trade system right now is a dumb placeholder

it's going to be a completely dynamic system where only the raw materials are "generated out of thin air", each product in the chain afterwards will be created via factories (AI controlled) depending on the supply they get, adjusting prices both for input and output dynamically depending on existing storage.

[cedar flower]

thing is
What places allow what materials to be sold there?

if it is right now not much will change

[ornate rock]

you should really watch the citcon video cause I can't possibly explain it better than Tony Z himself

I swear there was another video on the topic recently but I can't find it... or I'm just making stuff up again

[floral notch]

Is there a way to stop the rocks from flying everywhere when mining. It becomes a real pain trying to track down every individual mineral.

[bright flame]

The more overheat there is in the rock, the more it flies apart, so try to have the red zone completely empty by the time the green zone fills up. However, server lag and randomness can still cause some rocks to spread out far more than others.

[woeful gorge]

so re: #star-citizen
im early game with a 315p and dont really understand how to make bank outside of shooting stuff
if i wanted to switch over to trading/mining gameplay, how long would it take to grind enough aUEC for a ship that's better at either? and are there any resources on how to noncombat grind?

[bright flame]

Trading is a non-viable for making money right now, the system is seemingly deliberately broken right now until the next system is implimented, likely once they add additional solar systems.

For mining, you'll want to rent a Prospector at a refinery (Any station with an -L1 in the name), and get to know how to mine on the cheeper ores until you can save up and buy your own Prospector, since you need to own it in order to change the mining head, and you need a better head to mine Quantinium. Once you have that, you can make bank, though combat is still the best method of straight grinding money.

[woeful gorge]

:o neat

how are the cheaper mining ores in terms of profit?

[gilded bluff]

By mining top 4 of the non quant ore you can get somewhere in the range of 100 000ish UEC per full Prospector cargo.
In the terms of time, depends on your speed, knowledge and luck.
If you are mining purely for the profits, get someone experienced to team up with you in Prospector or someone to show you what to do in MOLE.

[woeful gorge]

double neat

[proper hound]

There are xeno event at the moment. If you willing to spend sometimes to play it. It will give you around 200-300k per event

[proper hound]

Around 2-3 days of play you will have enough to buy your own peospector ( event last for a weeek)

[woeful gorge]

im not very good at combat >_>

[proper hound]

Dont need to. Just hover around and help with phase 2 transporting cargo

[woeful gorge]

:o

[proper hound]

Or just ask someone to let you join their ship

People are desperate asking player to be their gunner

[rapid sigil]

what does yield mean in refining

[proper hound]

The amount you will get after refine

Say 1000 in with high yield refine you will get close to 1k

Moderate yield get you 800 refine

Low yield even lower

[rapid sigil]

whats the best method for refining?

[proper hound]

Depend you want to collect ore in 12h or in 1day and 12h?

12h cost more. 1day and half cost dirt cheap

Ferroc od dynx

Or*

[rapid sigil]

alright thanks :D

[cedar flower]

You pay for quality either with time or cash

Either you pay little but wait 20h
Or you pay alot and wait much less

[daring vale]

What's the minimum recommended for Laranite, Taranite, and Bexalite content in a rock?

The website keeps suggesting that two percent is okay, but I find that figure... dubious...

[bright flame]

Really should aim for at least 20%, though 30%+ is preferable. It's arguable that taking any rock is worth it, but better to hunt a little longer, I think

[smoky gust]

Looking to get a ROC in game for mining, however with my current ship 315p there is no way to carry the roc around. Eyeing a Cutlass Black or Freelancer (Base/MAX) currently, any output on which ship is more versatile?

[bright flame]

I'd recommend renting a ROC and Cutty black from a refinery station and give ROC mining a try before you commit. It's very difficult and buggy right now due to the 1500 meter ping range of ROC minables and the bugginess of ROC mining laser.

That said, The Freelancer base cannot fit the ROC, only the MAX can, and it's easier to drive into than the Cutty black, but it's more expensive and larger. Though if you end up finding a mining partner the MAX can fit two ROCs.

[smoky gust]

I see. However I see most people scan from the ship first instead of using ROC to scan for minables?

[bright flame]

Yes, the way it's worked in the past is that you fly around in your ship, pinging for minables, and then land and get in the ROC. However, for some reason, both ship and ROC scanners can only see them for 1500 meters away, so you have to fly low and slow and ping constantly to see them, or just stumble upon them as you see the icons at about 500 meters.

Even on Aberdeen, which is the most abundant planet, it can take 10-20 minutes of crawling around to find a single patch, so it's a low slower than it used to be.

[smoky gust]

I see. Thanks for your advice. I will rent and try them out first.

[marble crater]

Freelancer Max will pair better with a Prospector compared to a Cutty down the line too

[snow nacelle]

Hi. I have some larger cargo-ships and I wanted to try out space trucking. But looking at the missions they seem to never involve more cargo than I can bring in my interceptor.

Currently, is the main use of large cargo for trading?

[blissful oxide]

Yes, and even that it's not very profitable due to stocks.
Though, they are working on a complete rework

[grand trail]

Anyone need a turret guy for your Mole? I wanna make some auec to get a prospector

[wild summit]

How much is a prospector?

[crimson mantle]

2,061,000 at Loreville
https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ShipShops1/f68ee841-88d1-46f3-a1e2-5dc71d9d5d97

[wild summit]

K thanks

I have 1.1 mil atm

So gotta do a bit of grinding

Which transport would you suggest?

MSR or Herc

[crimson mantle]

The Prospector has 32 SCU of cargo, so it depends how many refinery jobs you want to stack before selling.

[teal wing]

Freelancer MAX is a good, cheap hauler for refinery loads, but a bit finnicky planetside

Any idea if a refinery wipe patch is coming any time soon, or is it a pretty safe time for stacking refinery jobs?

[crimson mantle]

Next patch is far away, but who really knows? 😄

[teal wing]

Still traumatised from losing 2 mil to the surprise 3.14.1, I was able to sell everything an hour before patch but it didn't carry over

What are the chances of it happening twice in one patch though

[hexed crow]

I think as long as you utilise the vtol key it is extremly easy to handle planet side.

[pallid temple]

The Freelancer MAX doesn't have VTOL

[teal wing]

Boost is a good substitute though

[thorny copper]

since they buffed the freelancers thrusters/handling its doing fine imo, pre-3.13 it was incapable of taking off from planets without using afterburner

[teal wing]

Oh huh, I didn't realise they'd fixed that ^^

[strange harbor]

How long can you keep a load of finished refined ore at the refinery before it disappears?

[coarse cape]

Wasn’t the freelancer going to get a vtol of some sort. Remember seeing a video on the sc channel with it rotating it’s thrusters

[teal wing]

I think that's been dropped, iirc it was the original Freelancer ship trailer from like 2015 or something

[pallid temple]

https://youtu.be/vO7RxsZpcKc

This one

[gilded bluff]

I just got the MOLE, is there only one/main light on the mole?

[coarse cape]

oh yeah

[gilded bluff]

damn

[coarse cape]

oh no wasnt talking about you

was talking about the video lol

mole iirc has the big light on the front of the cab and i think some side lights @gilded bluff

[gilded bluff]

no lights on the turrets?

[coarse cape]

no

[grand trail]

Anyone mining in a mole and need a turret guy? Pick me pls. I need to make a few 100k to get my prospector!

[daring vale]

@grand trail I'll pay you the 100k.

[gilded bluff]

Is there a preferred QT drive upgrade for the MOLE? The cool downs are terrible on the stock one.

[coarse cape]

i like the xl 1 for s2 qt

[bright flame]

XL-1 is the way to go with MOLE, yes. Fastest drive in the game, too.

[gilded bluff]

thank you

[thin escarp]

its my Saturday night weekly mining op! if you need money or wanna learn to mine this is your chance!. no exp or ship needed. starting at 10pm est. dm for info!

[hollow sedge]

spending the next 45 escaping jail

[finite siren]

Whats wrong with bigger ships trying to quantum to area18 they turn 180degrees and quantum straight away from arccorp??

[ornate rock]

I assume they want to reach the orbital station. if you're 'behind' the planet it's the easiest way to just look for the city and do a spline QT instead of trying to find the correct orbital markers.

[finite siren]

nah it will do planetary quantum animation for minutes if let alone. so far ive tried it couple times but always had to go bajini point and then fly manually to city

[undone ibex]

can i have multiple work orders at the refinery?

[proud umbra]

was trying out the cargo transport mission. I accidently dropped my second package in my ship while trying to place it. It went into the floor of my ship I guess. I couldn't retrieve it. Is it better to load these on the cargo ramp? I have the 325i

[undone ibex]

so start one, then go out with my prospector and collect new ores, come back and start the next one?

[strange harbor]

@undone ibex yes you can have multiple orders at refinery. Remember you will need to have a cargo ship that will be able to fit that entire order in or it won't let you take it. You may need to rent a cargo ship to take the refined ore to market.

[undone ibex]

yea.. i just realized it

now im screwed ^^

[teal wing]

I used to rent the Constellation Andromeda for 24h each time I needed to move refined materials, before I had my own cargo ship

[smoky gust]

All these for a 30k 10 minutes later

[teal wing]

[strange harbor]

@undone ibex If you need money from mining now. Sell the unrefined ore to make money to be able to rent a cargo ship

[north oyster]

Bring able to find any deposits is an accomplishment in and of itself

[finite siren]

Well i just 30k'd right after scooping full cargo and trying to qt at refinery >_<

[undone ibex]

any advice on where i should go mining with a rented prospect?

and what to look for

so far ive just mined some random asteroids

im at HR1

[oak lake]

@finite siren QT bug introduced in 3.14, doesnt always happen, but seems to be mainly when there's no line of sight

[smoky gust]

All I can say is fly slow

and ping like theres no tomorrow, in 180°

[smoky gust]

i feel your pain 😥

btw anyone knows how to fix that bad where your mining laser suddenly cant burn anything

[finite siren]

had that couple times, server change works, dont know any working immediate workarounds :/

[smoky gust]

there are 8 hadanites in front of me tho, and the laser stopped working

ill try the forbidden way aka bed logout on mah cutlass

[finite siren]

It will fix laser but likely you will lose those hadanites 🙂

[smoky gust]

yep. they are gone.

[bright flame]

Random asteroids is kinda the way to go. The big money in mining comes from Quantinium, which you need to purchase a Prospector to get the right equipment for.

Mine random stuff to make money, take part in XenoThreat to make more money, and then buy that Prospector and get Lancet + Brandt and Surge

[north oyster]

That's 3.14's gift to all of mining. I've been on the middle of 8 hadanite rocks and it dies after just cracking 2 rocks

[smoky gust]

Right i'll call it a day. 100k in 3 hours. Horrifyingly slow

But that is minus the original ~600 hadanites that were 30k'd

[bright flame]

My favorite is when my mining and extraction lasers invert, so I have to blind-run the golf game to crack anything and laser-extract. Not fun.

[finite siren]

This freefly i managed to mine enough money to buy prospector, freelancer max, and hornet :>

[bright flame]

Nice

[north oyster]

For the Win!! That's awesome. BTW, the MAX is my favorite ROC transport and cargo hauler for refined ore

[north oyster]

The ping issue with small deposits is something we need to hold CIG's feet to the fire about. It is ridiculous how stupid broken that is for those who enjoy ROC mining

[bright flame]

It does rather seem like that they deliberately impede certain game loops to prevent players from doing them, in which case they ought to have a 'Please test' and 'Please avoid' list for loops they want tested.

[thin escarp]

@bright flame asteroid mining is life

👍👍👍

[bright flame]

Yes, yes it is!

[storm flame]

can you sell refined shit at Orison?

Since it has a TDD

[bright flame]

Not yet. It has terminals, but they don't accept the right stuff yet.

3.15, probably.

[stone coyote]

What’s a good starter cargo route I finally got the game running

[thin escarp]

cargo is borked

[coarse cape]

yeah cargo is really bad

hopefully it gets better in 3.15

[stone coyote]

ah heard the same about mining

[proper hound]

Mining is okayish

But trading bring almost nothing

And 30k will absolutely desyroy your sanity

[thin escarp]

pulled 10 mil mining last night

4 + moles goin

[blissful rain]

Nice

Where's the best place to find quantanium

[sonic vector]

where do i mine hadanite gems

can't seem to find any

[wanton heath]

witch cargo ship is the best for quant tranport and hard for private to get in?

[teal wing]

'Best' depends on how much you want to transport at once and how much you want to spend. Freelancer MAX is a pretty good choice at around the 2 million aUEC mark and can carry about 4 Prospector loads (~1 million aUEC) of quantanium, but after that is the 5 million aUEC class of ships like the C2/M2, Mercury Starrunner, Constellation series or a Caterpillar.

At the moment I'm using a Constellation Taurus because it has a S3 shield, a fast quantum drive, and can carry about 6 full loads of quantanium from a prospector.

[wanton heath]

is it easy to solo C2?

[teal wing]

Yeah, though like the other ships you won't be able to use the remote turret weapons without a co-pilot

[wanton heath]

I got 4M wut should I buy?

C2 seem more fun

[teal wing]

That would be my pick, though I'd suggest asking in chat if you can test-fly one to make sure you won't be disappointed with it.

[wanton heath]

alright thx

[jovial saddle]

is there hadanite in lorvile?

[proven moth]

which moons are good for hadanite?

[crimson mantle]

These ones: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Ground%2520vehicle%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Hadanite%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D 😄
Some of them will require special armor to walk the surface though!

[proven moth]

thanks

[untold wyvern]

Hi. I just started playing this game. How would you go about starting mining? I tried FPS mining, but my backpack is broken and I cant sell in terminals. But is FPS mining how you start out until you have some money? How much I need to start mining with a ship?

[frigid jetty]

You can take part in the current XT event, earn a decent amount of money from an hours work (you could just do the cargo running in the mission, no need to fight - just make sure to find a wreck that’s already got the cargo door open unless you want to get into an FPS fight with ai pirates)
Start to finish can earn you 200-300k at least

You can then rent a prospector mining ship for 3 days - I can’t remember exactly how much that costs

But rent it for 3 days and earn your rent back and more in no time, you can rent for longer days and earn money until you can eventually earn enough to outright buy it

[thin escarp]

it seems aberdern and arial got nerfed

ive been going to magda

@untold wyvern i can show ya the ropes to mining. take ya on some of our mining ships til you have enough for your own

renting prospector is the worst thing to do. you cant break shit with those stock lasers.

[untold wyvern]

prospector is the starting ship for mining?

I have to do a character reset so I atleast can do some FPS mining atm

[north oyster]

Rey, the issue isn't the hadanite deposits but rather the new PING doesn't show the deposits unless you are literally on top of them - less than 1000 meters.

[north oyster]

I would take @thin escarp up on his offer. You will get good time on a laser breaking rocks, you'll get good coaching and you'll make good aUEC. He's got a mining machine operation going. Do that until you have enough to buy a Prospector in game. You'll also need a cargo ship like a cutty also

[raw shell]

I keep running iinto patches of hadanite that will not charge up. They scan, the charge gauge comes up but they don't charge. Anyone know any work arounds to make this glitch into working?

tried getting out/getting back in, cycling power on the roc... too nearly an hour to find this patch dammit

[teal wing]

Tried shooting the rock? Somebody said that worked for them, but it could be incorrect. Worth a shot though

[raw shell]

nah didn't help, thanks for the suggestion though

tried flying out of scan range and flying back.. shooting with the ship.. still no joy

[marble crater]

i've been getting that. seems once it bugs I have to join a new server

[cedar flower]

My fleet plans

[teal wing]

Nice, the Connie will also be good for atmospheric cargo, as the Hulls won't be able to go down iirc (maybe the B can?)

[bright flame]

The A can, for sure. I believe the B can replace some of its cargo capacity for landing legs. C, D, and E, definitely not

[cedar flower]

A and B can go down fully loaded

Cig Currently works on reworking the landing gear of the B to be able to land fully loaded

[eager surge]

I'm having a hard time finding the things that are like the gems don't icon, I can only find the big rocks

I'm just running around pinging and going towards stuff flying close to the ground but I'm having no luck, any tips?

[bright flame]

Neat

[cedar flower]

350 SCU of cargo in a 90$ ship ain't bad

[bright flame]

That really all it does, which is the trade-off. The guns are piddly, it probably flies like a Carrack on drugs, and probably takes two minutes to spool, but it'll get your stuff where it needs to go

[cedar flower]

Yeah

Though, I can't wait for the C
That's thing will be pretty underrated in it's combat and defensive ability

Specially against small craft

[bright flame]

Three remote turrets with 2 Size 2s, and one remote turret with 2 size 3s is certainly enough to fend off small fighters, at least in the current patch, true.

Makes me wonder how effective NPCs in turrets will be, and how expensive they will be to have.

[cedar flower]

Also large shields and quite a few hit points on the hull

I can see a Hull D and E be nasty, being capital ships

[undone ibex]

where can i buy a lancet mh1? at cru1 i can only find a mh2. and whats the difference between them?

found what i need to know

is there any known bug purchasing equipment?

i bought the laser 3 times now and it doesnt appear in my ship equipment window

[bright flame]

https://finder.cornerstonebase.space/ShipMiningHeads1/ba94a262-bc0a-4484-9bbd-a4be7a2ec3e7

MH2 only fits on the MOLE

[bright flame]

If you bought the MH2, it only fits on the MOLE, so it won't show on the Prospector fitting screen

[thin escarp]

lancet mh1 is at cru l1.

also po i believe

this should help

[undone ibex]

same for the helix?

the helix II

but the helix II and the mh2 are both size two

[bright flame]

Yes, all of the Mining heads have a 1 and a 2 version. The Prospector can only take the 1 version and the MOLE can use both.

[undone ibex]

doesnt the prospector have a size 2 hardpoint for lasers?

[bright flame]

It's called a size 2, but it can only take the size 1 mining heads.

[undone ibex]

oh god 🤦‍♂️

[bright flame]

Same way that Size 2 gimbal mounts can only take a size 1 weapon

[undone ibex]

just spent 170k for nothing 👌

dammit ^^

[bright flame]

Woops.

[undone ibex]

first i thought it didnt work, then i thought it was a bug

[bright flame]

Well, if you ever get a MOLE, the best layout for it is three Lancets, so you're set.

[undone ibex]

so i have to go to CRU1 and by the lancet mh1 there

here at hru1 they dont have it

thanks for the informations

[bright flame]

👍

[north oyster]

This is the mine/collection swap. I've had it hit two rocks into cracking a 6 rock cluster. Be sure to contribute to any outstanding issue council reports or submit one

[north oyster]

PING will only pickup small deposits when you're within 1000 meters. It's totally screwed

[turbid heath]

Does anyone know the yield percent of ferron exchange?

[bright flame]

95%

[turbid heath]

Thank you

[bright flame]

https://uexcorp.space/refining Lets you pick the method and input the ammout you have to get exact yields

[simple hawk]

The only difference on the 1 and 2 size lasers are the optimum range on it. Nothing else

[bright flame]

XCR sounds like you'll end up with the same profit as if you just sold to the refinery, after fuel costs of hauling to market.

[dreamy sapphire]

Does Micro Tech or its moons have any good spots for quant mining?

[bright flame]

All three moons can spawn Quant, though not as often as Lyria

[dreamy sapphire]

Thanks

[thin escarp]

@dreamy sapphire if ya havent found quant let me know I'm getting on soon. gonna be doing some runs.

ferron exchange and dinyx solventation are the only 2 i use.

rest are garbage

@undone ibex i can take ya mining to recoup that cost fast.

[crimson mantle]

@dreamy sapphire
Technically, microTech's moons are better than Lyria: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Spaceship%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Quantainium%2520%2528Raw%2529%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D 😄

[jovial saddle]

how long does it take for the shop inventory in a station to reset?

[crimson mantle]

People usually report 10-15 mins

But the whole inventory won't come back, only a tiny fraction

You can check the shop on https://sc-trade.tools/shops to see the datamined refresh times. In real life it does seem less than that though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[jovial saddle]

hmm so what's usually the stock for hadanite at station?

have 488 pieces rn

[crimson mantle]

Next refresh rate should take most of it, if not all

Planetary outposts buy the most though

right where you mine it! 😄

[worldly trellis]

Trying to roc mine on Arial and all the scanner displays are rock icons (aside from box icons). No diamond icons yet. Only a few dozen km away from outpost. Am I doing something wrong?

[north oyster]

This patch has destroyed ROC mining because the PING fails to find any small deposits unless you are within 1000 meters.

[worldly trellis]

😞

Welp, thanks for letting me know.

[bright flame]

Yeah, it sucks, but that's just the way it is for now.

[thin escarp]

@worldly trellis if you need help making money mining i can show ya the ropes

[worldly trellis]

Thanks so much for the offer. Only going to be on for a little bit more tonight, though, then gotta turn in.

[undone ibex]

thanks for your friendly offer. now i know whats wrong and can start working ^^

[jovial saddle]

should I get a prospector?

is mining still worth it

[deft sequoia]

Hi, which is the cheapest ship than can fit the roc?

[ornate rock]

I think the Nomad in theory? but it was always sketchy with the ramp

after that cuttie and freelancer (in the normal one it's a super tight fit tho)

[deft sequoia]

ok, thanks

[ornate rock]

I'd go with the cuttie tbh, the extra annoyance you have to deal with in the Nomad and Freelancer aren't worth it imo

[teal wing]

Prospector mining is still pretty frustrating, but can make decent money once XT ends. Refine a full Prospector load of quantanium and you get about 250k aUEC on selling.

[jovial saddle]

how long does it take to get a full load of quantanium usually?

[teal wing]

If the server is performing well, average of about 30 minutes plus time to refine and sell. Usually the server isn't performing well though, so it can be a lot longer. In terms of time/aUEC, bounty hunting is probably still the best choice, but I think ship mining is second best this patch.

[simple hawk]

around an hour, but then it takes two to three days irl to refine it

[teal wing]

An hour for a full prospector? I guess that might be closer for somebody who is new ^^ I use ferron for refining, so it's only 12-14 hours to refine

[simple hawk]

you loose cash,, lol,, ok sierra,, ;D stress less , live longer ;D

ohh,, and the Mole takes a bit longer to refine when its full of quant,, might have blended a little,, so mutch quant ;DDD

[north oyster]

The Prospector rental is 100% worthless and you will be hard press to make back your investment. The Prospector purchase is well worth it because it is still a valid game loop despite all the current bugs that have comeback or are new. The 3.14 patch is really brutal towards all mining but it is still functional (unlike trade). You will also need to get a small cargo ship to carry your refined ore to market. The Cutlass Black should be the smallest ship for that job (don't get a Nomad or Titan for this).

You can stack unlimited refinery jobs so you can then rent a cutty or freelancer to carry jobs to the TDD. Also, do not mine or refine any ore that is below Agricium

[floral prism]

Trick for roc mining is to ping frequently and keep track of all the findings, if when you ping it returns something less than 1.5km away its most certainly a gem

[north oyster]

Go Slow, Go Low, ping often but regardless, the ratio of "time invested to rate of earnings" is about 10% of what it was from previous patch. Add to that the laser/collection bug and it turns into a less than fun adventure.

[thin escarp]

@jovial saddle if ya want to get into mining i can show ya.

i think mining is still a meta.

[north oyster]

I would take @thin escarp up on his offer, he has a regular factory going as it relates to mining and helps a lot of players. Worth your time to learn all the ropes and aspects of the gameloop (imo)

[jovial saddle]

thinking about getting into it

I have 5mil auec atm and might just buy the prospector ingame

I did some ROC mining but got pissed with the scanning system

[thin escarp]

@jovial saddle can average 250k+ in a prospector if properly trained and such.

per run.

i always recommend getting money ships especially with how patches have been lately.

[teal wing]

How long does it usually take you to fill a hold in a run? I can find big quant clusters really quickly in the halo, but most of them are duds so it really drags the time out

[thin escarp]

average a 2 runs a hour just about. sometimes 3.

[raw shell]

not sure what just happened here, hoping someone can advise. Pulled my ROC out on a cold planet, started to mine a hadanite rock, before it even broke the roc overheated and shut off. Now it won't even start up. Is this a legit mechanic or did something glitch out on me?

powers off, powers on but drive train doesn't work and the mining arm/laser doesn't work. what the hell

overheated?

[deft sequoia]

When i am in my roc, how can I scan to search ores or this stuff?

[steel elbow]

maybe tab?

[deft sequoia]

And "v" works to scan ships?

[ruby moth]

if you got into mining mode, you should automatically scan rocks

[ruby moth]

V can scan ships and rocks, but in the ROC you shouldn't have to use it

[deft sequoia]

alright, thanks

[nocturne blaze]

Whats the best lazer for the prospector?

[supple ivy]

Wes just said Lancet @nocturne blaze

[nocturne blaze]

Sure but it has low energy, and it used to be the helix so im just confirming? unless erkul is wrong

[north oyster]

There have been excessive issues with the ROC in this patch. I've had the cooler burn out, the power plant fail, the lasers fail, etc. It is almost where you need to do a reclaim for each trip to be sure it will last BUT then it doesn't even last for one trip.

[north oyster]

For Quantainium, the Lancet offers a very large optimal green zone. But you will need to be sure to have the Surge consumable. I also keep the stampede with that too. If you're just beginning, I'd recommend using the LifeLine too to keep you from blowing yourself up as you learn the ropes.
My favorite laser head is the Helix but it doesn't offer the sweetspot like the Lancet if you're doing Quan. But works great for everything else.

[spiral olive]

If you aren’t mining quant ur wasting ur time tbh

[north oyster]

Not really, I enjoy mining all the other ores too. Anything Agricium and above makes nice coin. Yes you can make way more with Quan but sometimes I don't want to be stressed with Quan mining and running.

[spiral olive]

Fair… but quant still makes way more money Than that prob

[north oyster]

It does, and it has made me tons of aUEC. But sometimes I just don't want the mess with Quan and I mine all the good ore I come across

[spiral olive]

quant mining can be frustrating and annoying hah yep

[north oyster]

agreed but that is why we get paid the big bucks to bring it to the refinery. I miss ROC mining the most in this patch, hate it that they effectively killed it off. I use to switch between the ROC and Prospector to keep things interesting. No more this patch.

[spiral olive]

Yeah. The fact they said they are keeping the radar the same is mind boggling too

They will have to change it

Roc mining is pretty much impossible

[north oyster]

we've got to fight this. For almost the WHOLE PTU patch of 3.14 the issue with the PING and small deposits was listed as a known issue but suddenly some programmer decided it was working as designed. This is bullshit through and through

[bright flame]

It's been fought. CIG is unmoved. They either aren't interested in fixing it or cannot fix it in the current state. No reason to think it won't be fixed eventually, ROC mining is just sidelined for now, like trade.

[spiral olive]

Ya it’s kinda bullshit to completely ruin a game loop though

Trading I get, but roc is easy fixable

[novel nacelle]

I think, being and Alpha, and we being the Alpha test users; it makes development sense to degrade some aspects of the gameplay in order to push your Alpha testers to play the newly developed game loops. The ROC was fleshed out and works pretty well. Trading worked pretty well, box delivery worked great- especially to push people into the city of Microtech. I would expect bounty hunting to be nerfed- except where it promotes the next thing: medical gameplay

In other words, I think some of these issues are intended by CIG

[pallid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-gif-10587157

Sure

[teal wing]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[proper hound]

is there any place i can find hadanite in microtech?

[bright flame]

That's not something we can know. It may require a major rework of a system that's going to be completely replaced in order to get working.

That said, I do wish CIG would communicate and tell us that they know it's non-functional and if we should just expect it to not work or what. That side of things is frustrating.

[spiral olive]

The idea you could only scan rocks from 1 km away came with the new scan mode, they would just replace the ROC rock node with the ship node and change the GUI

I could still be oversimplifying it, but it’s not a giant deal to change the way you scan a rock

[bright flame]

It is oversimplifying as only the CIG devs knows what sets that scanning distance.

It could be a simple variable they've decided to deliberately keep low

Or it could be an entire subsystem of the whole kernal that prevents those nodes from being visible to the scanning system until 1500 meters out and major reworks of the entire object spawning system would be required to increase the number.

We don't know, so assuming it's an easy fix is not helpful

All we know is the way it functions currently and that 0.3.14.1 did not fix it. We'll see what happens with it in 0.3.15

[spare flint]

Best place to ROC mine?

[thin escarp]

magda

[fossil bloom]

Just bought a prospector and started doing this … not burned out yet but I know it’s gonna happen

[smoky gust]

How's hydrogen fuel efficiency of MSR vs Cutlass Black? I see that my cutty drains kinda fast when prospecting for ores on a moon.

[ember star]

MSR drinks fuel like crazy, but has good intakes so while you mine in refuels itself

[smoky gust]

Ah. So not much difference from cutty then. Guess I'll stick to cutty for now.

[ember star]

Well, the MSR also has a huge tank

[thin escarp]

@fossil bloom i can show ya how to make bank with that prospector if ya need help

[tacit otter]

I cant seem to find any ROC rocks on Aberdeen. Did they change something about that in 3.14?

MSR has a cargo bay big enough to fit 4 ROCs

[thin escarp]

scanning is sus for rocs

can only find when within 1200m

i had better luck on magda

@tacit otter

[smoky gust]

You need to fly real low, and real slow, and hope for the passive radar to pick up those ROC rocks within like 1200m.

[tacit otter]

only passive??

[proper hound]

You can scan it but only the one that have less 1200m will be rock

I mean ping

May as well fly straight and hope rng will hel0

[outer crystal]

Roc mining is still workable for me but it clearly is much harder to ping rocks. I fly very low and sloooowww. Eventually, you’ll get a gem hit. It’s nowhere near the most efficient way of mining (nor profitable) but there’s something so nice about discovery gem pings after looking for ages and then pushing out the greycat from the bay

[jovial saddle]

is mole worth it for sp?

or do you need friend with it

[bright flame]

You do not need it, no. I solo MOLE mine a lot and quite enjoy it.

It's a lot more difficult and time consuming that Prospector, but you can find a motherlode of Quant and gather all of it rather than only take home 32 SCU

[ancient ivy]

Where’s everyone quant mining in 3.14? Really struggling to find Any rocks I was in Aaron halo for an hour and 15 last night and found one 5% quant rock

It’s been a pattern this patch for me

[teal wing]

I'm using the visual scanning method in the halo, that's been working really well for me and I've been consistently filling the hold on my Prospector. The only downside is how demoralising it can be getting 4-5 dud patches in a row, but that's rare.

[teal wing]

https://youtu.be/RadGv7QVcJw You could give this a try, or try HUR-L3 or Lyria ^^

[ancient ivy]

Ok cool I will give that one a try thanks 😊

[raw shell]

Finding quant rocks greater than 25% takes a lot longer now, unless you're very lucky

[devout notch]

whats the best place for roc mining
went to aberdeen and didnt find any rocks

[mystic quail]

can you still dupe orders at refineries ?

and if yes how ?

[north oyster]

Hawks Gaming had a video on how to do that

[crimson mantle]

It's still Aberdeen, but the ROC deposits are a lot harder to find with the new scanning refactor 😦

[devout notch]

thats bullshit, they should revert that. 500 meters is unfair

[lunar ravine]

Do you do solo mining with the Prospector or the Mole? I have both but I don't really know which one is better. Actually, I think the Prospector's hold is quite small...

[bright sinew]

Hey guys, is renting a mining ship practical?

[crimson mantle]

Only if you plan to check out the mechanic for yourself: the stock laser won't be able to mine the most valuable ores.

[bright sinew]

Thanks

[chrome marsh]

Hello everyone! I went out mining this morning in the Aaron’s Halo with the Mole. Found at least 15-20 group of rocks/asteroids and not 1 rock was scannable? Wtf. Have they not addressed this issue yet? They talk about adding other game play in the next update but why in hell don’t they polish up what they already have implemented?

[gloomy sierra]

Hey lads, I'm thinking about getting the mole with aUEC, is mining worth it with a crew or am I better off with bounties and my warden?

[ember star]

Mining depends on luck. If you get lucky, you can make a shit ton in less than an hour.. if you're unlucky you can waste your time all day without making money

[thin escarp]

@gloomy sierra i average 600k+ per run in my mole. its worth. i have 6 now.

i can show ya how too lemme know

[raw shell]

you have six moles?!

(jk) 🙂 solo mole is my favorite ship now.

[thin escarp]

@raw shell yes. i run some huge mining operations.

every saturday. we mine 10-15 million in quant.

[raw shell]

wow nice, I thought you worded that oddly, didn't think you actually had 6 moles

just brought in 40+ scu of quant in my mole

[teal wing]

How do you use the six? Three active with three in reserve in case the others are claimed, since you can't have more than three ships active?

[raw shell]

That was Cross, he has a crew. If you want to get into this, perhaps he's hiring?

oh that was Zodiac asking

[bright flame]

Cross is a mining machine

[thin escarp]

@teal wing yep. just whenever they get back. store the filled ones. put the fresh ones on pad ready to go. rinse repeat

[teal wing]

Nice ^^

[mild pumice]

got a little trade loop, Alu from Edmond to Lorville and Scrap to PO, 50k profit in my C2, anyone have something better? Takes maybe 20 mins if you don't mess around

[echo glen]

which mining laser is good for the Prospector?

[thin escarp]

lancet

mh1

@echo glen

[bright flame]

That's basically the only viable one at all right now.

[north oyster]

Well, only for Quantainium is the lancet the easiest to use. I'm a fan of the Helix and still use it most of the time even without the enlarged sweet spot that Lancet brings to the table.

[echo glen]

and what's a good mining module?

[thin escarp]

@echo glendef surge if ur hunting big quant rocks

brandt aint bad

[nocturne blaze]

Is using cats still profitable? Whats the best things to use it for outside fo the event rn?

[ruby moth]

any major cargo is not recommended

[rain pivot]

Any valuable cargo runs anyone can suggest?

[ruby moth]

you'll just flush your money away

[nocturne blaze]

So trading no buenos in 3.14

[ruby moth]

not yet.. hoping soon

[rain pivot]

Ohh ok

[nocturne blaze]

Outside of the event, whats doing well for money? mining?

[rain pivot]

Dagnabit

[ruby moth]

mining is great. Pve Bounties are good paying

[rain pivot]

Do I've got shit 300k auec and want to start mining. What do I do first?

[teal wing]

Not ROC mining though, that's been slowed right down due to scanning changes.

[kind marsh]

does that explain why ive been scanning for like 30 mins on aberdeen and not found any had

?

[teal wing]

Yep

[compact girder]

Anyone had problems with the trading console not showing anything when you try to select a location?

[nocturne blaze]

is it going to be fixed, do we know? Kinda shitty if its intended

[thin escarp]

i'm about to go mining if anyone wants to learn

[steady willow]

Cool guys use the Helix

[proper hound]

guys

is new baddge have place for miniing hadanite

[pallid temple]

No

[proper hound]

okay thanks

[rain pivot]

Is it possible to ear enough mining by hand in my c8x to be able earn enough for a prospector in a timely manner? Or should I do other activities to earn the auec

[pallid temple]

Hand mining is definitely not worth the time currently

[rain pivot]

Understood

Cargo running it is

and bounty hunting

[teal wing]

Unfortunately cargo running is also not worth the time for a number of reasons (in terms of aUEC profit)

[nocturne blaze]

but prospector good ye?

[cedar flower]

will the larger hulls have a medical bed?

[pallid temple]

Most likely not

[cedar flower]

I think I read that the E might get one, due to its sheer size

I mean its the 2nd longest playable ship in SC

[cedar flower]

so it would be cool to get it there

[thin escarp]

prospectors are still viable. so is mole mining

if anyone needs help shoot me a dm.

[coarse cape]

I wonder how much the hull e will cost ingame

[bright flame]

Probably at least $5

[gilded bluff]

I wonder how much Orion will cost in game.

If carrack is 26

Can Orion go for more then 35?

[cedar flower]

imagine you grind for that... and then wipe, or bug that causes you to lose all your money

I would just backspace myself then XD

[gilded bluff]

well I wouldnt grind solo for that myself in alpha, no

well at least not like hard grind. Considering you can earn quite good money right now I would maybe easily leave the money on the side.

[bright flame]

Prior to XT I solo MOLE mined once a day for about a month and bought an HH with the funds. Definitely wouldn't recommend hard grinding, but a little bit every day to unwind is quite nice.

[cedar flower]

when I hardcore grind I do the illegal surveilance missions
they have a really high Credit / min rate and can be done with any ship

that may change though if the freighter missions we get soon(tm) give more

[maiden basin]

The Hull C is getting gold standard and should be ready by the end of October.

[ornate rock]

I would not make that assumption

gold standard means they are adding space for modules, weapon racks, armor storage, travel supplies and other things I forget.

it doesn't mean that it's ready for the PU

[maiden basin]

I know

But check the progress tracker

[ornate rock]

progress tracker isn't a release tracker

it just displays the sprints that are currently being worked on, there is no way to tell if more work needs to be done afterwards

they need the hull C in SQ42 afaik, that's why they upgrade it to gold. but it's probably not functional enough for the PU (at least I've not heard them focus on physics grids that are required to make that happen)

[cedar flower]

From my reading the grids are pretty much done and the Hull just needs last finishing touches and testing to come in 3.16

[ornate rock]

oh right, it's actually slated for 3.16, complete forgot about that

[teal wing]

When is the cargo refactor planned for, also 3.16?

Or am I being wildly optimistic?

[ornate rock]

very

[crimson mantle]

Right now the Hull-C could only haul med supplies and scrap. There's isn't enough inventory of either of those to accommodate a super-freighter though 😄

[ornate rock]

I mean it's probably similar with quantum tech (Tony Z's brain child) how it is with icache and gen12, they will add parts of it to the game slowly

so you wont really see "that big cargo change" but bits and bits until it's all in the game

we already have the dynamic events for example which are part of the bigger picture of quantum tech

[cedar flower]

hauls trash around just to further fill cargo spaces for a pretty look

only loaded its pretty

I also love the little engineers balcony at the rear

[maiden basin]

It just pissed me off that the ship is still not in game even though the model was complete 2.5 years ago

And I feel sorry for the guys who bought it in 2015 and six years later it’s still not ingame

[ornate rock]

imagine they had given it the reclaimer treatment

it's in the game but pretty much useless

[maiden basin]

That would be worse I guess

But if the cargo don’t change and 3.16 comes out it will be useless

[ornate rock]

I could imagine they'd add a few routes for bulk goods between stations

[maiden basin]

And the orbital yards it has to deposit cargo arent added either it would still be useless, since most high value goods are on planetary stations

And obviously the C cant land

[ornate rock]

couldn't the C land with folded in bottom racks?

not quite sure where the cutoff point was for that

[maiden basin]

Well something like that

[cedar flower]

Port Everus and Tressler both are large cargo ports
then there is all the Refinery stations in orbit

ollisar is the replacement for the Covalex station in the crusader system

[maiden basin]

Ah I see

[cedar flower]

so we do have plenty cargo ports

[maiden basin]

I just hope cargo ain’t busted when the C releases

[cedar flower]

the cutoff was the Hull B
past it none of the huls can land when loaded

Hull A and B can land with full load

[cedar flower]

same, though cargo missions should be a thing by then

though you can make some pretty decent profit with scrap trading
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Scrap

[maiden basin]

True that

I just hope the respawn rates are better because I don’t want Hull E users to drain the servers of cargo in future

[cedar flower]

1.35 per unit to buy a full load at 621000 credits bought in CRU L1
1.85 to sell it for 851000 credits in Olisar
profit is 230000 Credits just with scrap

the total travel time is also minimal, cuz CRU L1 -> Olisar is not a very long jump

[maiden basin]

Shows how much the C can make

Imagine that with Laranite

[cedar flower]

thats a few seconds jump distance

and the risk should not be all to crazy, because you carry low value cargo

[cedar flower]

last time I checked laranite had a lower profit margin than scrap

[maiden basin]

Really?

[cedar flower]

yeah

the difference between sell price and buy price is much lower than with scrap

[maiden basin]

Hmmm

But either way the C is gonna be a massive moneymaker

[cedar flower]

most likely

but you also need quite a bit to invest when trading

or you just run cargo missions

[north oyster]

Cargo is getting totally refactored. By the time that is done there will also be reputation for traders. We will also not be the owners of the cargo we carry (in the mega haulers). Trade is going to change in a huge way

[maiden basin]

That’s coming by 3.16?

[bright flame]

I'm looking forward to that. I want to have Hull C and just lazily lug someone else's stuff for hours at a time.

[cedar flower]

Ill get my C with the November sale

will LTI it as well

[maiden basin]

Same

[bright flame]

Definitely going to nab some CCUs for it in November. It's probably going to shoot up in price a bunch with 3.16

[cedar flower]

totally

depending if the Loaners for the Hull D and E change and how the cargo system works I may upgrade the C into one of them later on

[maiden basin]

Planning to ccu from my Taurus to a C

The E is gonna be a massive game changer

Due to its sheer cargo capacity

I can imagine Pirate missions like ‘Intercept a Hull E carrying weapons’ or something like that.

[cedar flower]

good luck taking one down

2 Capital shields
and a decent armament

[maiden basin]

It only makes sense

Would be a high risk high reward

[bright flame]

And I imagine anyone that's flying such a thing will be doing so with the backing of a large org behind them to ensure safety.

Might well be one of those vessels you get as a target for group missions against NPCs fairly often, but will very rarely see a player use, as moving that much matterial will only really be useful for big corps between two undisclosed locations.

[cedar flower]

Im crazy enough to use them alone

and laugh at pirates trying to steel my scrap

[ornate rock]

there will be a lot of people trying to fly those things solo