industrial-professions

[devout thistle]

Like an actual PTU update?

[coarse cape]

When live servers get updated your work orders get wiped

[devout thistle]

Sick

Also, I transported my work orders into my vehicle buut this server's bugging out, can I server hop if my vehicles still stored?

[thin escarp]

@opal yoke what process are you choosing?!

you should be choosing dinyx solventation

@devout thistleyes you can

[devout thistle]

Sick, thanks.

Just made another 500k

[thin escarp]

good shit. i'm about to sell off 6.5 mil in quant myself

[fierce tundra]

Can the ROC-DS fit on the back of a Nomad, like the ROC, or is it too big?

[coarse cape]

too big

its about the size of an ursa

[devout thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-have-mercy-lord-have-mercy-im-bout-to-bust-im-bout-to-bust-bust-a-nut-nut-gif-19236822

6 near full things of quant

[junior arch]

Tis sexy. I've had 10+ near full things of Quant. But from a mole EG: ~8000+ 🙂 I'll have to share next time I do. I know quite a few others from the org who have the same

Only because; Cats feel like overkill unless you fill that b up

[hollow sedge]

anyone need a mole minner crewmate

[knotty bear]

hey uh so what modules should I have on my helix? I’m trying passive so I’m thinking 2 vaux c3 and 1 reiger c3

[opal yoke]

@thin escarp I was using Dinyx Solvenation on a Prospector load of about 30 Quant,2 Beryl. Paid about 34k in Crusader-L1

[thin escarp]

impossible

i just did 78 quant dinyx solventation.

from a mole and it was 15k

[opal yoke]

What?

How the frick?

[thin escarp]

you chose wrong maybe

didnt save when u changed it

[opal yoke]

Though keep in mind it was most likely a bug

[thin escarp]

not likely they really worked on those

workorders

[opal yoke]

I figure it has to be, because even if I chose the wrong process, Hurston still paid me less than my load x the price they paid.

I am not saying that I made no money because of some error, but it literally gave me too little money.

[north oyster]

what is the method of refinery? if you are choosing the default you are giving most of the ore away in the process.

Oh, I see you're reply further down about which process.

[north oyster]

I have run into issues at TDD trying to sell Quantainium, so might not be able to sell it all in one go. I had to wait around and it wasn't that many SCU either (less than 40)

[devout thistle]

Oh I don’t do one goes

That’s millions I am not risking

[north oyster]

wise miner

[devout thistle]

I spent to long looking for that quant for ThirtyKay to ruin me

[north oyster]

I filled a CAT once but I didn't like the stress, so I normally just use my cutty or MAX

[devout thistle]

I got a free lancer i use

i miss my c2 i melted but at the same time never used it for cargo if that caliber

[north oyster]

I still have my C2 but use it for scrap and processed food runs. Just for a change of pace because you only make about 40K on that round trip

[devout thistle]

Traders life is shit right now

Mining and bounties are just the ultimate switch up

[north oyster]

totally FUBAR, you're right

[devout thistle]

I’m mining all this shit for my eclipse so I can get back to my old days

Also preparing for xenothreat

[north oyster]

I'll see if the C2 might be useful during 9-Tails or Xeno for a big run

[devout thistle]

Definitely will be I’m sure

Thats what I was really banking my c2 on when I pledged for it at concept

Carrying all those damn packages

Unfortunately I’m a stealth bomber at heart so it was a short lived fantasy

[north oyster]

I don't see trade ever having a function until after CIG does the cargo refactor. Maybe, Fall of next year

[devout thistle]

Yeah I’m afraid you’re probably right

Blows because trading is uber cathartic

[north oyster]

They'll bring the Journal back to life for the two events, trade will have a little life during that time

[devout thistle]

[manic whale]

had the same with quant + laranite also

[north oyster]

I see the "can't sell crap" coming back in all its full blown glory

[paper pewter]

Are personal sized rocks and ROC sized rocks different sizes?

[crimson mantle]

They are! FPS rocks are even harder to find on the radar.

[opal yoke]

All in all in my 3 full loads of Quant.
1 got paid 1/3 of promised price.
1 got paid full price, jay.
1 loaded everything into my cutty but the quant, so I got like 400 in Beryl.

[north oyster]

Personal FPS rocks are about 0.1 in size and only show up on radar ping when you are within 400 m of the deposit. The ROC size deposits are 0.84 as a rule.

ROC size deposits show up around 2 to 2.2K (ping at 100%)

[north oyster]

As a rule (for current patches at least) never refine anything under Agricium.

[opal yoke]

@north oyster So that is a known thing that can happen?

[north oyster]

The price can fluctuate so you may want to have an idea of the normal per unit price for Quan and other products (Bexilite, Agricium, Laranite, etc) but as it relates to all material below Agricium - it's trash, you don't make anything at all with it.

On the one where you got less than you expected, I'm thinking that the TDD only bought a portion of your cargo

[knotty bear]

uhm

[north oyster]

Just remember that whichever passives you put on the Helix, you will loose them if you have to claim the ship like you do the consumables. Lots of coin to see washed away

[viscid herald]

[devout thistle]

alright, saw what you meant about TDD being out of stock

This fuckin blows

Is it server based or general economic change that I can't disregard server hopping?

[opal yoke]

Wasnt it , cargo hold was empty after, I even checked if the cutty had its full 46SCU after.

But I dont mind, I made my money on the next load so atleast I wont go poor

[crimson mantle]

Server hoping won't do you much good: all servers in a region, at least, are grouped together.

[devout thistle]

Damn, unfortunate. Thanks.

[thin escarp]

usually quant is at 80.19 or some shit

[junior arch]

It’s been up to 87 now that they fixed the infinite quant glitch

[devout thistle]

Can I just backspace on landing so I get to TDD faster for quant selling?

[junior arch]

Yes

Land in hanger; backspace; walk to TDD

[devout thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843079009976975410/851074422634315786/image0.gif

[foggy iron]

I was told that as soon as you store your ship, the quant is safe and you can take your time. Is that not true?

[wheat solar]

yes. It is safe and you can take your time.

[fair quest]

It’s true tested today myself

[foggy iron]

Thanks. I framed my question badly didn't I? 😄

[wheat solar]

hehe

[fair quest]

Does refined quant or other minerals expire? I have a bunch refining for 2 days but don’t think I can get on until weekend

[wheat solar]

i've heard a patch can wipe them but i dunno. other than that it should be safe.

[fair quest]

Ok cool

And is it better to take a bunch of small runs to sell my materials or just do it at once?

I have a cat

[wheat solar]

with game crashes and 30k disconnect i'd probly take a bit at a time. i lost 5 refinery jobs just the other day because of game crashes.

[acoustic rivet]

how much do u earn on average with a roc

i plan to bring my msr with 2 other friends so we will have 3 roc’s

[fair quest]

Btw what do people mean by refinery jobs?

I’ve never seen a mission for refinery’s

[shell edge]

Hello Chewychunga 🙂

[shell edge]

@fair quest There are ways to mitigate the risk of 30k (not eliminating it completely). As far as I know this method still works (although I haven't had a 30k with cargo in it to test it for a while). Once you leave the refinery, request landing at the refinery, but do not use it. In the case of a 30k, you and your ship will spawn with cargo intact at the refinery. Once you are near the planet you are going to sell at, fly by the station above the planet and request landing (do not land). This moves the spawning point closer to your end location. If you get a 30k during the decent to the planet, but before you have requested landing, you and the ship will spawn at the space station above the planet. Once you can contact ATC at the landing zone on the planet, contact them, and the spawning point is now moved to the final destination. If a server crash happens before landing, your ship and cargo will be stored at the final destination. This method worked great with trading (when that was a thing), but would not work on outposts, since you cannot spawn your ship there. Since no outposts are involved, you and your cargo should be safe. Sorry for the long writeup. TLDR: Request landing at space stations as you get closer to the destination, to update spawning points for you and your cargo.

as long as your ship can be retrieved, your cargo is safe, but when the ship must be claimed, it is lost.

[shell edge]

Refinery job: Just the amount of refinery processes you have going inside the refinery, it is not jobs for you, it is jobs for the refinery. You order them to refine stuff for you.

[foggy iron]

Chewy- When you mine asteroids you get raw minerals which you can sell straight away but if you take them to a Refinery Station (most of the stations at an L1 position eg CRU-L1, Arc-L1 etc have a refinery) you can ask them to refine the ore and then it is worth roughly twice as much. It can take hours or even days to refine a big load but then you pick it up and take it elsewhere to sell it (usually one of the City TDDs). There is a fee for the refining but it is still worth doing usually. I should clarify that you don't have to wait there for days 🙂 You go away and do more mining or something else and when it is done you will get a message. You then pick it up when it is convenient.

RAZ- In my experience, one or two clumps of rocks usually yields me about 70K. I normally go back and sell it at that point because I am scared of losing everything to a 30K or an accident but if you stick around until your hopper is full then I believe you can clear 300K,

[blissful rain]

When is cargo refactor meant to be done?

[shell edge]

According to the progress tracker and release view, tentatively Q4 2021

[north oyster]

The word is that this is something that touches every aspect of the game. The refactor is being approached with extra meetings between all the groups to make sure the communications and expectations of the change is clear. It was one of the things that stood out to me when I was watching the show and they were talking about it.

[blissful rain]

cool, it means everything needs to basically be physialised

[north oyster]

the idea and implementation will be interesting. Some aspects I don't like. I'm not one who's excited about taking a crap in a game, let alone having to play in a game like it's the real world. The pursuit reminds me of an anime this past season called "Full Dive: This Ultimate Next-Gen Full Dive RPG is Even Shitter than Real Life"

[potent wind]

Hey I’m new to the game and was wondering anyone wanna teach me how to mine and do cargo stuff

[shell edge]

Sure, I can do that@potent wind

If you still need it

[north oyster]

Mining is a good focus. For Trade, you can learn the basic concepts but that gameloop for trade is totally broken (for now). There will be a Journal entry that will use trade during some upcoming events

[novel nacelle]

For the record: trading gameplay is not broken; the mechanics of it work correctly. Trade is not worthwhile to earn money.

Just don’t want to give the impression that it has bugged mechanics

[north oyster]

"you can learn the basics" aka it's there but of no value. Take it as you wish

[potent wind]

Ok fairs

[grand quiver]

I am also just about to start the game but i would like it if someone can give me some advice on what to do since my friends dont seem to be able to

[gusty fiber]

Hello what are some easy missions to do for some money? And how do I open my map?

[crimson mantle]

F2

[thin escarp]

i transported 5 mil in quant last night. if you on a fresh server you shouldnt worry about a 5 minute trip.

[frozen lotus]

How can you tell if the server is fresh?

Besides things working

[coarse cape]

Look at chat history

Or see how fast your mobi opens and closes

[junior arch]

Typically we roll with so many that a new server is spawned for our group. That's one method 🙂

[flat herald]

what do I do if the trade terminal keeps telling me transaction has failed

:(

[hollow hollow]

Spam it and dupe

[flat herald]

oh my god

this is great terrible for the economy

[hollow hollow]

Yes

Amasing for economy

[flat herald]

time to get account reset lets GOOOO

its not giving me free money you lied

money printer epic fail!

[hollow hollow]

Oh

You don’t have a autocliclet

Nvm

[flat herald]

do you mean the refinery terminal or the trade terminal

[hollow hollow]

Refinery

[flat herald]

im talkin about the trade terminal

it wont let me sell my stuff

is my entire haul just bugged?

that would be really sad

oh my entire ship duped itself wtf

what is going on

[hollow hollow]

[thin escarp]

@flat herald did u server hop

[flat herald]

yeah, still was busted

Im flying back to lorville now

to investigate why I have 2 ships

and if they both are carrying a fuckload of quantanium

[patent quest]

hello

[north oyster]

Last time I took some Quan to market I had to wait multiple clock cycles to sell it all (and it wasn't all that much). Are you finding that also or are you able to sell it all in one go?

[thin escarp]

@flat herald its a bug only 1 has quant.

@north oyster sold the first cat off in 10 mins at area 18

[north oyster]

ok, about the same for even smaller haul (MAX)

[thin escarp]

@north oyster if u hop to aussie sometimes you can sell more. i also normally try to sell pretty early in the day. night time has more people selling

[north oyster]

pretty sure I hit at the peak of players selling, last patch I just parked the CAT and revisited to sell what I can when I could. It would take awhile (was when system was whacked with the infinite cargo bug).

[subtle forum]

When you are holding mined quant does the timer stop once your ship is stored?

[frozen lotus]

Yes

[subtle forum]

thanks

Can you stack refining requests?

[obsidian stone]

You can place multiple refining orders.

[north oyster]

Yes and currently no limits. HOWEVER, please be aware that a patch update can and normally WIPES all refinery jobs

[subtle forum]

Thank you

How many times can you use Mining Consumables once equiped?

[north oyster]

5x normally

Unfortunately you have to keep track, no count in game for usage

[thin escarp]

@subtle forum some are passive.

[north oyster]

Passives are always on

[thin escarp]

but i only use passives on moles.

[north oyster]

calling passive consumables is about right, LOL

[mortal kettle]

probably because of people using exploit to dupe refinery jobs

[north oyster]

Most certainly was the deal with the last patch, but the infinite cargo bug has been eliminated. The trade system is still hosed completely

[mortal kettle]

theres a new exploit

[north oyster]

oh? dang

[mortal kettle]

yeah. a popular youtuber posted it last week

[north oyster]

Reset of game is probably in 3.14 but feeling most certainly by 3.15

[mortal kettle]

this one duplicates work orders. still have to collect and transport it

as far as i can tell

[hollow sedge]

Reset game lol... just like in the last patch huh. Lol. They won't.

[junior arch]

They have stated they do NOT want to reset the game unless they have to. So it won't happen till they come out with a new system or Beta/Live. EG: iCache or Server Meshing might require they do a full reset

And yes; each city has a certain amount of Quant it will accept for a certain timeframe. I've sold at max like 1.2 mil in 1 sell. Then had to wait 15 minutes for the reset and then it only took 300-500k max every 15 minutes unless I server hop or wait a few hours then come back

[obsidian stone]

Probably because they want to tune the economy as it develops. Right now, ships and their components are the "carrot" at the end of the stick, as they say.

[north oyster]

CIG has amped the pending reset WAY more the past few months than they ever have since persistence has been put in the game. Now you have to acknowledge that fact reach time you launch the game.

[subtle forum]

Is there anyway to restock or change consumables to fresh ones ?

Cus I come back when i've used like 4 charges and idk how to just switch to a fresh one

[hollow sedge]

Wipe is confirmed for 3.14

[junior arch]

Do you have proof @hollow sedge

[robust sierra]

whats the most consistent way to find trade routes?

some of the websites ive been using havent been pulling through

[muted sparrow]

people

[robust sierra]

ah, yall got any good trade routes then?

[muted sparrow]

what do you mean? ships? creds? both?

[north oyster]

Trade as an income doesn't exist in the current 'verse and patches. The system is hosed. However, you can learn aspects of trade. You can run scrap from TDD/Admin to Port Olisar (fully loaded C2 earns about 20K) and then go to one of the outpost on Celin to get Processed Foods to sell at the Admin of a planet (like ArcCorp, etc). The round trip is about 40K with a C2.

You can do a smaller fun in the ArcCrop area by running Astertine from Wala to the TDD on Area18. Maybe about 10 or 12k with a Freelancer MAX

[robust sierra]

ok yeah im definently not in for the money, got a cat and im just doing it for fun so a load that i can buy and sell is enough fun for me!

[north oyster]

True, I run the routes because it's a nice change of pace from mining.

The CAT will do good. I run that route in the CAT and C2

PO is now a DMZ but I've not had too many issues. Maybe overclock your shield before you get there

BTW, I've had two Ford Rangers (1991 and 2003) and I really miss my '91. Such a great little truck

[crimson mantle]

These runs are all highly available: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:50000%257D
😄

[robust sierra]

oh nice! i just bought my first 01 edge not to long ago and i love them all

[robust sierra]

ok thank you a million ill look through all these routes

[robust sierra]

yeah i havent noticed much and ive had a few pad rammers but not much, thanks for the advice

[north oyster]

Jack Axton did that back in April, maybe one of the best summaries on Trade in SC that has been done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyJ_-tfwOSw

[robust sierra]

oh sweet thanks, maybe we can do some runs together later and you can show me the routes completely

[north oyster]

sounds good

[robust sierra]

neat! i should be on the rest of the day, just finished my work

just @ me when ever

[subtle forum]

So what is the best method to sell quant?

[junior arch]

Refine it first

Then sell it at one of the major cities

Area 18 is my go to due to how much it can sell at once

And how short the timer is for them to let you sell again

[dull sail]

so, i have a question: i just collected my first refined order of ore into my Carrack. Why isn't it allow me to sell it at CRU-L1?

i hit "collect" from the refinery, and now the ore SHOULD be in my ship right? how come it's not showing up anywhere indicating that it is in fact in my ship?

i think i know why. because it's refined. i need a different trading console don't i?

[rocky veldt]

can i find hand mineable in asteroids and if yes is it rare

[dull sail]

i don't think you can @rocky veldt

[rocky veldt]

well i remember hearing of it

[dull sail]

i've never seen any and i've done a bunch of asteroid mining - at least 5 trips

where can i sell refined ore? I'm near PO.

[stable gazelle]

You need to sell it at the TDD terminals on a planet, like Area 18

[dull sail]

that's the only places? there's nothing near PO?

not even mining facilities at moons?

i mean i aleready sold it at NB

but still it's good to know my options

and thanks for the response

[stable gazelle]

Area18 is the quickest from landing to TDD, no mammoth train trips

[dull sail]

i'm only selling shitty ore so i'd rather get a better price for it, and i heard NB has good prices

[foggy iron]

You can sell unrefined ore at the refinery or PO but most refined ore needs a major city.

[rocky veldt]

i just tried and ive found only hadanite on my trip to find this you need to find a sphere that is cut in the middle and inside there's a hand mineral ps i was at hur L1

plus its 30k proof because of the inventory

[subtle forum]

Is there anyway to restock or change consumables to fresh ones ?
Cus I come back to station when i've used like 4 charges and have 1 left, idk how to just switch to a fresh one for my next trip

[shell edge]

@subtle forumWhat happens if you unequip it, save, and then equip it back again?

[subtle forum]

Well it doesnt tell you how many charges it currently has does it?

[north oyster]

Since we have no idea of the sub-count of uses left on a consumable, I normally equip the one I use the most (Surge) in two slots. I try to keep about 15-20 of them in my inventory.
Now, if you want to make sure you have a fresh consumable, do not unequip it, but rather just click on the item to "add" it again. It will replace the partially used consumable with a fresh one. HOWEVER, you will end up with consumables that are used and will let you down.

[subtle forum]

I guess the only proper solution is to just make sure you use them all in one run

[north oyster]

The current inventory system is Binary. Example is that I have two Pembroke suits. If I fill one up, I can switch to the next one. When I go to sell, I can switch. If you have more than two, there is no way of knowing which one you are switching to. This is true with any item in inventory.

[oak lake]

There's been a bug recently where goods don't appear visibly in the ship

[subtle forum]

What secondary mining lasers would you guys recommend to do 6k+ mass Quantanium Rocks?

Currently using the Lancet MH2 as primary

I manage to do some that are under that mass with Surge and Brandt but over that seems to be my limit as a Solo Mole

[crimson mantle]

The big cities 🙂
https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522itemName%2522:%2522Quantainium%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:1%257D
Best place depends on what you have, but they will all accept it.

[tardy flower]

And with overcloking your mining head?
Think about recruiting some crew in your Mole 😉

[subtle forum]

Dude I didnt know you could overclock mining laser

I was asking for suggestion on the other lasers and sub comp on my mole, I have friends

[pallid temple]

Overclocking the laser has no appreciable affect

[tardy flower]

One Lancet, two Helix, you will break all rocs without sub comp 😉

[hollow sedge]

any good trade routes for the c2?

[obsidian stone]

Define "good".

[hollow sedge]

making more than 40k

and something that i can do rather quickly

i prefer to avoid the major cities

[obsidian stone]

The trading game loop is not in a "practical" state atm. Supply and Demand are not working and margins are low.

[hollow sedge]

what happened to astatine from hurston to hex

[obsidian stone]

I am not versed into the mechanics very well but essentially selling points/trade terminals are capped by how how much they can accept for trade. Other terminals are also capped by how much they can sell at one time as well. there are very few commodities that will fill up a C2 much less turn a decent profit.

[hollow sedge]

you ever just

[obsidian stone]

Yep. Thats the life were living right now.

[oak lake]

lmao

[subtle forum]

What would you guys say is the best passive mining modules for Quantanium

[paper pewter]

Oy, as i test I bought 2 SCU of widow
i can sell 0.03 widow at a time

[opal yoke]

Does Disposal Orinth no longer buy Slam?

[tardy flower]

What do you need. Less indtability ?

[crimson mantle]

SLAM is only bought, by the pocketful only might I add, at CRU-L5: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/SLAM

[opal yoke]

I tried checking where its bought but it didnt show me any places. and CRUl5 bought a total of 2

Its not like I have 3k loaded.

But thanks for the tip

[crimson mantle]

You can always sell at a loss at CRU-L4

[opal yoke]

Im checking all the places that would sell for profit, if need be Ill come back to that, thanks

[crimson mantle]

in the current build there literally only is CRU-L5

[opal yoke]

Really? Only that remains?

[crimson mantle]

Yep

Unless the trading servers are not in synch with the data files we get in the game, but that's very rare.

[opal yoke]

Eh I am relying on very old wikia entries and videos.
So I'll take your word for it

It seems wonky for me all week now, I literally spend 20 hours mining lately and only today found a rock with even a hint of Quant, so I thought I'd try something else for once

[tardy flower]

Do you know Aaron Halo for Quantainium ?

[opal yoke]

Yes.

I spent the time in Yela belt, Aaron Halo and Daymar, found a lot of rocks but no Quant the whole time

So I wanted a quick break from mining hence why I tried to transport some Slam.

[tardy flower]

Bounty can be fun and bring lot if credits.

[opal yoke]

I did that for over a million aUEC, but I can only do monotone pew pew in the dark for so long xD

Trade is utter fucked, Mining is unlucky, Bounty hunting makes me feel like a middle aged pe-teacher

Honestly not a good week for SC

All in all, 520k in 2 hours, 134k return. This almost hurts

[tardy flower]

Find people and spent time in spacebar having fun 😉

[north oyster]

Quantainium isn't that rare at all. Drop out of QT in Aaron's Halo between CRU-L1 and ARC-L3 (12m to 11.5m km heading to L3). Quan is abundant. Laranite too. Bexilite also, but haven't hit too much of that. I would recommend mapping CRU-L1 and using it as a reference. Plus when you harvest the Quan, you already have your Jump mapped.

*Yes, trade is FUBAR, but has been for about 3 patches. It will be an option when 9-tails or XenoThreat happens because CIG will open the journal.

[thin escarp]

@tardy flower no point going 2 helix's. its better green zone with 2 lancets and 1 helix

[tardy flower]

Yeah but the Lancet noise are juste horrible 🤣

[thin escarp]

so only have the helix throttle. lancets just have to be on it. doesnt matter the percentage of throttle

[shell edge]

two lancets at the same time, with one at about 50% and the other one throttling (on the first break) is not that bad.

but the sound gets very annoying when it gets higher up in laser intensity

[gusty fiber]

Where do I buy a mining tool and where do I sell my mining stuff?

[shell edge]

You can buy mining equipment at stations with refineries, or at Tammany and Sons at Lorville.

Where are you right now?

[gusty fiber]

Lorville

[shell edge]

Ok, then find Tammany and Sons

[gusty fiber]

How? Its so big

[shell edge]

it is a shop in Lorville (there should be map there)

look for an ingame map in Lorville

[gusty fiber]

I'm next to the ship retriever rn

[shell edge]

it will state where you are, and where the various locations in Lorville is

ok, you will have to take the tram back then

to Metro Center

[gusty fiber]

I'm on my way to metro center

[shell edge]

If I didn't have to leave in about 30 minutes, I'd be happy to join you and show you around, I will do my best to help you remotely 🙂

[gusty fiber]

Okay thanks this is my I love the star citizens so kind

*star citiziens community

[shell edge]

there should be signs pointing you in the direction of the shop

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Lorville?file=Lorville_map.jpg

here is the map you are looking for

[gusty fiber]

I see a sighn saying Leavesden square

[shell edge]

yeah, go there

look for any signs to Tammany and Sons

it should be down some stairs, with a vendor selling drinks at the right side of the entrance to the shop

[gusty fiber]

Yea im following sighns now

I'm am so confused I'm going the right way and it's taking me in a circle🤣

[shell edge]

let me open a chat with you

[thorn osprey]

i hope trade is fixed in 3.14 🙂

[opal yoke]

I was gonna ask, have we gotten any feedback as to a Cargo-fix, if just a temporary one, for 3.14? It seems rather dumb to leave 1/4 of your gameloops broken for so long, especially if a lot of your more expensive ships are meant for it

[foggy iron]

I think we had a bit of an 'overcompensation' situation. Originally trade was extremely profitable and people who could not carry large amounts of cargo complained that bounty hunting and mining were not worth doing. They nerfed it but went too far.

[subtle forum]

How many times can you stack refining orders

[shell edge]

Do you mean how many refining jobs you can have at the same time?

[subtle forum]

No?

How many times can you stack refining orders, from ores you mine into a refinery

[shell edge]

hmm, I not sure I understand the question, I refine all the time, I have like 7 orders in atm, not sure what the maximum is yet, haven't reached it yet

[subtle forum]

Ah ok cool

i've only done 3 at the same time so far and thought that might be max

[shell edge]

I have 2 completed and 5 processing atm.

[tired hill]

do you reckon i should give up mining a 6408 mass rock with only a lacet (prospector, no consumables)? 😄 ive been sitting here a while, but i dont wanna leave and look for one again 😦

[opal yoke]

Does getting impounded clear out your cargo hold?

[hollow sedge]

nope

the only thing that clears out ur cargo hold is claiming your ship or selling said cargo

[hollow sedge]

sell the location to someone in chat next time you come across a good rock like that

[tired hill]

oh, i can try that, yeah. thanks. although i dont think that particular rock wouldve been sold for a good price, it had 'just' 15%

but yeah, ill try that next time

[thin escarp]

10 pm est I'll be doing my weekly mining operation. if $$$ sounds good shoot me a dm. equal cuts for all involved. Mole mining, no ships needed.

[manic whale]

#looking-for-session

[thin escarp]

clearly posted in both locations but go off

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-laughing-you-lol-youre-funny-gif-7517608

[winged verge]

If I claim my cargo ship that is stored on a different station, will the cargo stored in the ship be lost then?

[oak lake]

Yes

[winged verge]

thanks

[winged verge]

How can i check if I have cargo in my ship?

[hollow gazelle]

looking for someone to mine with i have a mole and mic, but im fairly new to mining.

[oak lake]

Any trade console where the ship is at

[subtle forum]

Hey how does the Stampede Mining module actually work? I use it but doesn't seem to have any affect on the charge.

Does it affect other lasers mining the same rock?

[torpid mesa]

I might be wrong but I think the stampede is more like a stabilized Pulse to maintain the energy while your breaking rocks

So instead of hitting the rock with 60 % power constantly your hitting the rock with 60 percent power in pulses

@subtle forum ^^^^^

[thin escarp]

@subtle forum id just use the surge

[north oyster]

I've had as many as 14+ jobs stacked, it was risky but was trying to fill a CAT. I was aiming to get more than 20 but I think I stopped at 18. I can't recall atm

[north oyster]

I love the Stampede and it works great for the Lancet which is DOG-SLOW in charging.

I normally have to Surges and one Stampede loaded on the Lancet. No need to use stampede on a Helix, it charges in the green zone pretty fast

[thin escarp]

@subtle forum i've had like 34 in one refinery

[frozen lotus]

I use a surge and torpid right away and hit stampede when it’s in the green

With a lancet gear on a prospector

Mining quantanium

[whole fable]

how eaxctly do you get cargo on your ship when you buy it from a station

[shell edge]

@whole fableCurrently, the cargo appears magically on your ship when you purchase the commodities from a station or outpost. It will not do that forever though. Eventually there will be NPC's, or cargo-drones, or yourself and crew loading the cargo onto ships. That is at atleast the design goals for cargo: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14677-Design-Notes-Cargo-Interaction Ships like the ARGO SRV, will be used to load and unload larger ships (like the Hull -series). There is a cargo refactor going on currently with the following description: "Refactor to allow both found and purchased cargo to be picked up, moved around, and placed into the cargo grid of a ship.". It is scheduled to be done in q4 2021 according to the progress tracker.

[hollow sedge]

looking for a web dev 🙂 please DM me

I need sombody to mine with

me

[rocky veldt]

how many do i make with a full roc/roc ds

[crimson mantle]

if you sell at max price and you are 100% full of hadanite, 220,000 for a ROC

[rocky veldt]

and a roc ds

[crimson mantle]

You'll 30K before that happens, but technically 962,500 😄

[rocky veldt]

try me

[crimson mantle]

Given that you can empty the ROC into your ship's cargo, you can keep going as long as you want with both

[opal yoke]

How do I put Cargo from the Roc into my ship? I know I can move it from Roc to Inventory, but to my ship?

[crimson mantle]

You can dump your whole inventory to a box through the "hold F + right click" menu

[opal yoke]

Also have we heard anything about a cargo fix in 3.14? It seems kind of a waste to include the Taurus if its role is worthless.

That is genius thank you SC.

[crimson mantle]

They said the same for the C2 😄

I'll try to check the state of things when I can get my hands on a 3.14 build

[opal yoke]

You sir, are doing gods work 😄

[dire osprey]

The prospector can scan an asteroid at 2K, /And the Mole At 3K. Is any ships that can scan further ? I'm using a CX8 for scouting now.

[subtle forum]

Can I jettison out regular ore in my mole, not just Quantanium?

[manic whale]

Prospector is 1xSurveyor-Lite radar, MOLE 4xSurveyor. If you go by this rule, you could pick MSR, Terrapin, Cutlass Red,Blue

[dire osprey]

Thank you

[manic whale]

..oh, "scan further". MSR should be 5xSurveyor, I would start there. The rest should be better than Prospector and that CX8

[half badge]

whats the best place to mine w the ROC?

[hollow sedge]

daymar

[half badge]

and only go for hadanite right

sell at PO? or GH?

[blissful oxide]

For ROC best planet is Arial/Aberdeen
You can sell directly on the planet, on all HDMS

[half badge]

thank you

[blissful oxide]

here is more info
https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Ground%2520vehicle%2522%257D

(imo) Arial is better, cause it has slower rotation, less hot, less wind, etc..
And the difference of spawn isn't that big
Though, you can do Averdeen by going on OM-1, it will always be day here

[half badge]

very awesome thanks @blissful oxide . trying to save up for the ship

[north oyster]

Aberdeen or Arial. You need Pembroke armor also

[sage spire]

Seen a video of a dude doing trading in the 3.13 update, is it partially fixed?

[half badge]

thank you!

is there any bug fix for server lag or whatever, when your trying to mine and the rocks arent affected by your laser

rock charge level wont increase

[north oyster]

If you power cycle your ROC, that often helps. If there isn't any charge showing at all then your ROC could be faulty or the ore that you're hitting isn't registering with the server. If you try another server and get the same result, ditch the ROC and reclaim it. Remember, you may have to reclaim on a different moon from where you abandon it.

[half badge]

good tips

[north oyster]

You can drive it out at an out post and then try to reclaim it. Be sure to remove it from the ship before you reclaim it you'll have a dud ROC stuck in your ship

[half badge]

thank you for saying that!

great stuff thanks

[north oyster]

I've gone that, ended up having to reclaiming the ship

[foggy iron]

The cutty red and MSR have much better range than Freelancer etc. Red is slightly better than MSR but not much in it.

[rocky veldt]

how do you scout for ore

[shell edge]

use the scanning interface (TAB) on a ship, right click to send a ping, move closes and closer to the blue cubes, repeat pinging. Once you are near enough (different ships have different range they detect the ore at), you should see ore icons.

There is no ingame way to save locations atm, but one workaround is to use delivery missions (3 boxes picked up at the same place), and then use these as location markers.

[rocky veldt]

i mean asteroid

[shell edge]

what ship are you using_

you will need to fly to an asteroid belt (lagrange point) or the Aaron Halo first, and then use the method explained above.

If you need some ingame help, I am ready in about 20 minutes to go ingame.

well, to move to a server you are at, that is.

[north oyster]

I've found the trick of scanning with the MAX is speed of about 80km or less (half on the optimal speed range). The ROC size gem deposits will how up at about 2k (give or take, depending upon the number of rocks in the cluster). You do have to ping at 100% as a rule for the gem deposits. I normally find good deposits hanging in the "shadows" of large ore deposits.

I only had time for a quick run, I found one deposit with 9 rocks, it was about 80K aUEC for that one stop and a few minutes of time.

[paper pewter]

Today it was mostly the quantanium rocks that were unscanAble.

Would a misc Razor fit in a valkyrie or caterpillar?

[half badge]

Q on Clio? is it worth it?

mining in the mole w 3 crew total

[mighty pumice]

3 total?

i would suggest just go lyria

with 1 scout and 2 in the mole and if its a big rock your scout can just hop in to help break it up

otherwise Helix main laser and Lancet side laser should do the job just fine

if you dont mind hopping seats

[half badge]

why lyria? for quantanium?

[ocean turret]

Hello everyone

I'm trying to get a short little clip of a Mole

And have it be fully multi crewed

Does anyone want to help?

[half badge]

i have a mole

we are 3 crew rn

would welcome a 4th

[manic whale]

I´ve had a little ingame discussion, why the Taurus can´t have double SCU of "base" connie, why are the missiles racks an issue in that, its main feature should be that its significantly better (in terms of cargo) than MAX, ppl will be angry on reddit cause of this and so on, and so on...

thats why

...and even if they removed the racks and remodeled the rest, I wouldnt have another row of boxes on top of the default 3

..cause this

Just have a little bit of faith in the devs, let them work and if you dont like the outcome, you have an options from what else to choose

...by the way - I made a nice 3.500aUEC fortune with that 8min. run

[thorny copper]

yup it doesn't matter if you remove the missile racks because the ship isn't tall enough for the elevator to hold 4 layers

in a way, I don't mind it too much

[placid bridge]

Recently purchased a Connie, I've been hearing all about how shitty trade is.
Is trade ever at all worth it in this patch?

[crimson mantle]

You won't make bank, but there's still some money to be made: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Constellation%2520Andromeda%2522,%2522investment%2522:300000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:5000%257D

30k will set you back though

[placid bridge]

My luck with 30k's is a little bit ridiculous.

albeit i'm sure trading will change that

[thorny copper]

30k hasn't been as prevalent as it was 3.12 and earlier

they did improve stability quite a bit from 3.13, it still happens tho

[placid bridge]

I think I've gotten two in the past few weeks.

[rocky veldt]

ive never add one ill.Be it i don't play in long session

[manic whale]

I like the things with low cost:profit ratio, like Stims, Scrap and Distilled Spirits, where its only 2,7 runs to be flat with costs, so the 4th run is finally actual profit. To this point you are in danger to lose your investment through 30k. But those are now (except Scrap) quite unlikely non-tradable due to stock amount/refresh

...and as written, just for fun of hauling, not making somebody rich

[subtle forum]

Is there any way to calculate exactly how much Quant I have in rock using it's % and mass?

[paper pewter]

Like this? https://uexcorp.space/mining

[subtle forum]

Ah thanks

[fervent shuttle]

Does a Prospector make more than a ROC?

[obsidian stone]

Yes given you mine the best ores.

[fervent shuttle]

Like Agricium?

cus i know that one's up there

[obsidian stone]

Agricium is good.

[rocky veldt]

how much per day can we make by mining everything BUT quantanium

[oak lake]

about tree fiddy

[half badge]

when jobs are finished at the refineries... can i just leave them there until i want to haul them? or will they dissappear?

[manic whale]

I would say its the same for solo player going ROC vs. Prospector with its pros and cons. There´s little bit more hassle with ROC+its transport vs. Prospector, but ROC is insta money vs. Prospectors need to refine+haul the end product to market, if you want to get the same money as ROC. If I include luck of finding good rocks in the process, its 250-270k/h. ...with ROC its Hadanite as a goal, with Prospector I would certainly not aim at everything, but just Laranite, Agricium if you dont want to mine Quant. Those should be good breakable, have a good subchunk purity + you can add filtering passive modules to make the cargo more pure. It you would like to take everything you find, its hard to say how much would it be $ per hour . Theres too many ores https://sc-trade.tools/ores/Spaceship

[manic whale]

you can leave it there. Its wiped with every patch only.

[half badge]

okay thank you

[paper pewter]

What does this number represent?

[junior arch]

Purity

[paper pewter]

interesting, Do explain

[junior arch]

Little bit of Google-jitsu: First number is percentage of that material in rock. Second number (on right) is purity. So basically how much or amount of material it is grouped together. Basically the higher the right number the higher chance after fracture you will get rocks with 100% of that rock with no inert material. Kind of redundant. If purity is high there is a vein of that material grouped together and when broken you will get rocks with all of that material.

I personally never look at it

As long as the rock is >30% you are good as the breaks will be ~90-100%

Now the mass of course determines the amount of Quant you will end up with. The best find I've come across was a 8242 mass at 48%. Twas glorious

[opal yoke]

Personally I find that any rock above 40% and above 6.6k Mass fills up a Prospector with almost pure Quantanium. relatively reliable depending on purity

[shell edge]

@paper pewter@junior archFrom a purely mathematical point, the number on the right add up to 100, and is the relative share of the ore percentages if you do not pick any inert material, while the left number is the percentage of the rock including the inert material.

[junior arch]

IMO you could break something at 30% 6k mass with a prospector and still come close to the full 32 SCU. But I don't disagree. 40% will definitely give you 100% Quant

[junior arch]

I don't believe it relates to inert only (EG Any other material other than Quant) But I may be wrong. Either way; I don't think it really matters a whole lot. If you find something at 30+% and breakable. You are gold to get at it. Even if I was min/maxing I would take it on %/Mass alone before caring about the purity

[foggy stone]

I need the Orion and a mini fleet of Moles now. I came across this a little while ago.

6 were 2.x. 1 was 5.x. 1 was 35 and then 1 was almost 28

[tired stratus]

how much cargo can the taurus carry?

[junior arch]

Even if you find a dozen 5% you don't want them

If you find 2-3 above 15% it's still iffy. We typically find groups of 3-8 by each other. And only a couple are really worth breaking. Anything at such low % will only produce a very small amount of quant; and you'd end up with a lot of the other minerals+inert to get that small amount

[granite meteor]

We don't have a confirmed number for Taurus cargo yet

Hopefully more than the Freelancer Max, probably less than the Hull B

243 is the old number iirc, but that's probably not going to be any more accurate than the Carrack's 1'000 scu

[shell edge]

I must regret to inform you that you are wrong: Simply check ingame without any mining modules that modify any of the numbers (like FLT modules). I challenge anyone to get a higher unit of ore than the calculated value of ore (given the mass of the rock, and the percentage of each ore in the rock). It is a easy peasy to calcute the relative weight of each ore, with inert removed, and find the values inputted to the right. It works out in every case. In practice of course, you want to mine as little inert as possible, and take as many 100% chunks as you want, to maximise the amount of profit you get.

[junior arch]

Wrong on which point? That it only applys to inert?

[shell edge]

It is just the percentages of the ores, with inert removed.

[junior arch]

The left value?

[shell edge]

the left value is the percentage of ore in rock including inert, the right is the percentage of ore with inert removed (if I have typed wrong on left/right somewhere I apologize)

I used the asteroid in the picture for this example of expected units of ore.

[junior arch]

That is probably the best way to put it. I agree with you. I guess I mixed up left and right. I love the calculation I'll have to steal that for my use 🙂

[shell edge]

I can do better 🙂

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N1ZmoksX0xdVRFDH7LtBziVGcjpKdL-hPzZ3MfRiZ8k/edit?usp=sharing

go to the tab called Rocks to mine

there you can enter in the values of a given rock

just make a copy of the sheet if you want to use it for yourself

[main ore]

I was doing the calculations, i could make a freelancer max with >50,000 em rating LMFAOO this might be the play.

[manic whale]

168 default + 6 radar shielded

[raven oracle]

Half full ROC of Hadanite and the damn stupid thing explodes in the back of my cutlass right as I arrive at PO.

[junior arch]

Why you going to PO with it?

Just take it back to the mining station on the moon you are at and sell it there

But I feel for you 😦

[raven oracle]

Won't lie idk why I was trying to go all the way back to PO because I was at Aberdeen which honestly just made it all the more less worth it haha. Wasn't thinking.

I was chilling to music and didn't mind taking a long journey I suppose. Sometimes I like to take the long routes for fun. Guess it didn't turn out as so 😭. Lesson learned!

[granite meteor]

You can pull the cargo out of the roc and put it in a box in your cutlass

[raven oracle]

Wait you can??? That sounds way better.

Where is that box by chance?

[granite meteor]

Back of ROC has an inventory, you can pull from that into your suit inventory

From your suit inventory you can make a box of resources

Then you can put these boxes in your cutlass and keep mining

[raven oracle]

Interesting did not know

Thank you for that I'll use it next time I go mining.

[granite meteor]

Afaik that still works, I haven't been out ROC mining in a while, but I don't think there's been any changes to that process

[raven oracle]

Gotcha

Well ima head to bed because it's 3am but I'll try as soon as I wake up. Thanks for the info again!

[rocky veldt]

continuing the roc conversation where should i mine for hadanite with a good visibility

[manic whale]

Jumping from Crusader to PO puts you for a few seconds into planets atmosphere (you can experience, see the shakes) where the vehicles in cargo storage go boom :) 😀 . I hope it will be gone in the next patch.

[foggy stone]

It is a pain to do this though. You have to click to up button like 200 times to fill your suit inventory up once and then have to do that 7? times to empty a full ROC of hadanite. It’s worse for ore with smaller cSCU sizes

[rocky veldt]

no just right click the hadanite and click store all commodities no need to that

[foggy stone]

From the ROC?

[rocky veldt]

yes

[foggy stone]

Damn thing never worked when I tried it last patch. F…..

[rocky veldt]

well now it's faster

[foggy stone]

I could hug ya for letting me know lol

[rocky veldt]

no problem

for my it was the opposite i thought i could only make box from the roc and not the inventory

[paper pewter]

4 people went mining 4 boxes generated, ship destroyed by station guns, all 4 boxes carried to another ship on new pad, zero of four players had option to sell to admin office.

[manic whale]

was it denied as a stolen cargo?

[whole fable]

if anyone needs an escort today let me know

[obsidian stone]

how much are you charging per hour?

[manic whale]

Is this still SC, right?

[obsidian stone]

opps

[oak lake]

depends on your height and hair color

[whole fable]

LOL

6.0 BLACK

[oak lake]

lmaoo

[whole fable]

Lmao

[whole fable]

yoo check your dm

[devout notch]

what am i doing wrong in trading.

each time i tried to sell before the market was always full

barely making my money back

[obsidian stone]

Trading is not working properly atm. It's currently "broken" in this build.

[devout notch]

what is exactly broken.

[obsidian stone]

Basic Supply and Demand mechanics are not working as intended. The hope is that it will addressed in the next update with Nine Tails Lockdown.

[devout notch]

so they will be removed, increased or what exactly is wrong with them

[manic whale]

The supply/demand values and refresh per minute are hard coded, not dynamic and it gets supersaturated easily. So theres f.e. demand for 100 units of gold with 20units/min refresh and 10 players trying to sell 500 units 😄.

[tacit delta]

Hot take: cargo should be based on corporate demands, not you personally buying stuff and selling them

essentially, just make it a fetch quest

bigger profit requires bigger ships

You don't pay for the cargo initially, but if it's lost for any reason, you should pay for it

[foggy iron]

BTW, you can create a box either from the ROC cargo box or your suit inventory. Sometimes it is better to move ore from ROC to suit backpack and keep it there as a 30k or ctd or griefing or even a clumsy crash will lose everything except what is in your backpack.

Last time I moved everything from my ROC to a box, someone ran up my ramp as soon as it opened and picked up the box and there was nothing I could do to get it back.

[tacit delta]

Yeah if you attempt to shoot them you get crimestat instead

big brain move CIG

[manic whale]

why not? You're not the law.

[granite meteor]

That's freight contracts, they're not a thing yet

We have speculative trade atm, hypothetically it's here to stay

[split minnow]

@paper pewter next time try selling it at Grim Hex, they'll buy 'stolen' cargo no questions asked

[oak lake]

In places where the grasp of the rule of law is tenuous, I think it makes sense that there be no consequences for using a gun to protect your goods. Not necessarily shooting right off, but if someone's running off with your goods you should be able to shoot em

[tacit delta]

You're scanning for illegal monitor in the name of government, you get crimestat
Someone runs off with your cargo, you can't get it back

[oak lake]

Here on earth even, you can't rely on gov to prevent / punish folks taking your shit in some places, where the rule of law isn't all there

Especially during times of expansion / colonization

[north oyster]

We will probably not see Trade fixed until CIG completes the cargo refactoring for the game. Until then we will little breadcrumbs via the Journal entries that they will use during events like Xeno Threat and the 9-tails Lockdown

As a viable game play loop, that’s dead. Once fixed, you’ll see reputation come into play

[manic whale]

It was a joke 😄 Vonelis still obviously doesnt know what does it mean to participate on test of unfinished game and is complaining about features that aren´t in SC just now.

[oak lake]

Ah

[manic whale]

You can theorize what should be in the game or not, how should something work or not, all the day, but thats all you can do 😄

[north oyster]

Theory crafting is an Olympic sport in SC

[frozen lotus]

I mean the amount of theorycrafting of game mechanics is a bit much.

[junior arch]

Personally; I hope they eventually make your ship your domain. If someone is on my ship. Myself and everyone in my party should be able to kill that person without a CS

And/or Eject them from the ship

[main ore]

With the new shield changes, will stealth be any different for smuggling?

[tacit delta]

It is nice that you can use "it's a joke" card at the expense of others every time someone starts discussing something 😄

[hollow hollow]

[rocky veldt]

what will change with the cargo refactor

[devout notch]

what would be the best refining method

[green sundial]

do you want speed? do you want high yield? do you want low cost?

[opal yoke]

Unbelievable, I just made a semi-profitable cargo run

[green sundial]

you better log out of the game then

FUN DETECTED

FUN DETECTED!

DEPLOYING COUNTERMEASURES!

30K

[north oyster]

I’m traveling so I can’t test the new scanning in the PTU until Sunday. I wonder what surprises lay in wait for miners.

[north oyster]

Your persistence and efforts paid off. When trade is fixed, you’ll be ahead of the curve

[opal yoke]

@north oyster I just realized Sc-tools is a great tool and has minor mistakes in it, so I have started testing runs and noting down what runs are still accurate and which ones arent

[north oyster]

SC Tools is a great resource for sure

[crimson mantle]

The data comes from the static game's files, so you have to think of it as a data-mining website, not a LIVE service reflecting the state the servers are in right at this minute 🙂

More info: https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq

[opal yoke]

@crimson mantle I know it does, hence why I still use it. It's a great piece of help. I use your tool to find where to get my wares and where they are bought and use what I read in chat and whom I see to judge if I have to alternate the routes.

[crimson mantle]

If you do spot any mistakes, let me know! I'm eager to be as accurate as possible 🙂

[opal yoke]

None so far, some minor price difference but those are game-side so those aren't you

[crimson mantle]

Ah alright!

We'll see what new routes Orison enables!

[sharp tinsel]

is there something "secret" in finding appropriate quantanium clusters on moons like lyria?

i wandered around for 1 1/2 hours without finding a freaking single quantanium rock

tried to stick to mountains and so on.. idk maybe rnjesus thinks mining is nothing for me

[karmic nimbus]

@sharp tinsel i have been having more luck in the foothills of the mountains. Try going to Paradis Cove and looking around the flatlands at the base of the mountains. Also, you can zoom in and free look with f to see if a rock is quant before you go all the way over to it to scan it down.

[cinder steppe]

Are the cargo quantities fixed in the ptu?

[karmic nimbus]

I have also been playing with using a faster speed and just not scanning and waiting until rocks show up on my proximity HUD, then ill check them out. Seems you can cover more ground more quickly that way

[sharp tinsel]

will try that next time then, thx m8

[north oyster]

I very seriously doubt it. Trade is not on the radar at all. I'm thinking it will not be until reputation along with cargo refactor is done

Which ticks me off because I have a C2 collecting dust

I plan to get a Hull C also but for now only BH and mining is viable

The PTU also doesn't offer a good test for trade

[cinder steppe]

same

[opal yoke]

Weirdly enough I have been running Cargo for 5 hours now and had not a single lack of stock or sell issue or really anything. It just worked.

Split over multiple server mind you, even with other people doing cargo, so I either got super lucky or something is even more off with trade than usual

[crimson mantle]

At the end of a patch cycle like now, the player base is much less than when a patch drops or a big event like invictus is live.

If my website metrics are anything to go with, it's ~¼ of peak now

[opal yoke]

@crimson mantle I cant explain it, but I am glad I got a glimpse of what cargo might be able to do when you and a friend can just spacetruck through the verse making a couple hundred thousand whilst enjoying yourself,
Instead of forcing myself to grind ERT after ERT since mining has been giving me a hard time this week

I dont need Cargo to be a money printer, I just need it to be profitable enough so I can enjoy trucking without having to know that anything else I could do would prolly give me more money at lower risk.
Sure I put 400k on the table in my last run, but almost 90k profity in like 15 minutes are just a few k/min short of my Bounty hunting

[north oyster]

When the system wide events start, the space trucking will get a new shot of much needed attention. The risk will be higher though because we will need to fly into hot zones to deliver the goods. Might be interesting. I hope that two overclocked S3 shields on the C2 will be enough, LOL

[patent fiber]

does anyone know if the trading posts work again? Also where is a good place for a beginner to mine on the prospector?

[north oyster]

"trading post" as in outpost stations on moons and planets? The terminals do work but trade is broken. So you will often have no supply and then unable to sell what you have bought.
Also, with the Prospector, all the moons are good places. Just don't mine anything under Agricium in value. Print out the Ore list and their values so that you don't waste your time. Also, for refinery, Pick the Dinyx Solven ... it is slowest, cheapest but best yield.

I would recommend the Lancet and Helix as the laserheads you keep on hand. Helix is best for anything not Quantainium.

Lancet is much cheaper, so it might be the best to get first and learn with.

And in other Notes: the PTU patch notes of "known issues"
Unable to scan for FPS or ROC-sized mining deposits until very close

That's not fun

I wonder what they mean by "very close" ... 400m close?

[patent fiber]

I see. So mining is worthless until the trading terminals are working again right?

[opal yoke]

Mining works great

He refers to actual trade, aka buy-move-sell, that does not affect mining payout

[north oyster]

Oh, for selling refined ore, you can do that but occasionally you will not be able to sell everything in one go. You will have to wait for a few clock cycles. The refined material is purchased at the same rate as regular merchandise that is purchased and sold. So, you will be able to sell but some might require a little extra time.

[opal yoke]

Do the buy prices fluctuate as well?

[crimson mantle]

Oh yes, everything is dynamic

[opal yoke]

Gotcha, otherwise the price would have been off

[thin escarp]

@patent fiber id put the lancet. get surge and brandt consumable. and go to lyria

if you want quant.

which is the money maker.

[patent fiber]

where is the best place to sell refined ore?

[manic whale]

Trade centres in New Babbage, Lorville, Area18

[patent fiber]

huh looks like my refined goods can't fit in my avenger titan. Can I split them in half somehow?

[manic whale]

nope

how big is the cargo? You can rent a ship for it https://uexcorp.space/ships

[north oyster]

You can stack your refinery jobs. Then you can rent a freelance or cutty and take it to market

[patent fiber]

oh awesome

[frozen lotus]

But

When 3.14 goes live those wo will be gone

If you don’t sell them before

[patent fiber]

At what point does the timer start when you are mining Quantainium? When you start extracting it? When you break any rock for the first time that has it?

[frozen lotus]

It’s supposed to start once you collect the first fragment of quantanium.

I’ve probably done around 20 runs, and one time I had the volitile cargo alarm start flashing. I think it was a glitch.

So what you want to do is crack everything first and collect after you know which rocks you want

[patent fiber]

so before extracting, we want to break everything down to the bare minimum (purple/blue glow) right?

also thanks for the help 🙂

[frozen lotus]

Yep, and if the rock doesn’t have any quantanium, it gets ignored.

[thin escarp]

@patent fiber i got a quantanium mining operation tonight if you want in.

def will learn alot about big $$ mining

[patent fiber]

I might be down!

Can I load my refined ore into a buddies ship?

[manic whale]

no

[north oyster]

Currently cargo refactor (which includes mined raw ore) needs a total rework. There is a possibility that we will have more flexibility after the cargo refactor next year. We will be in Alpha 4 before that is done. @patent fiber

Until then, can't share the load

[opal yoke]

So, is Aaron halo worth the effort of having to blind jump compared to the easy access to hur l3 and others?

[frozen lotus]

Yeah, you’ll find more rocks

Just plot to arc l3 and drop from quantum 12-11.5

Jumping from crul1

[winter hazel]

where have yall been mining quant? thinking of trying out mining again

[obsidian stone]

HUR-L3, Lyria, Aaron Halo

[thin escarp]

@winter hazel were gathering in about 20 mins if u wannw find out n make bank

[winter hazel]

maybe some other time thanks tho

[chrome cloak]

Has anyone been able to scan for ROC mineables in 3.14?

[chrome cloak]

Oops, I'm dumb. It's a known issue in the patch notes: Unable to scan for FPS or ROC-sized mining deposits until very close

[round kelp]

is it profitable to rent a ship to mine in? i'm pretty new and want to save for a prospector

[flat herald]

eh you cant swap out the minin glaser

on a rental

so its a bit rough, lots of rocks you cant crack

[paper pewter]

Yes a rental prospector can be profitable but it does cost you time to learn how to mine. My first mining run on a rental prospector (50k) returned 12k credits. My most recent run on a owned+modifable prospector bought back 100k.

My recommendation would either be to rent a cutlass black and a ROC (car) or to rent a prospector and go with a friend who has their own prospector. This would allow you two to crack bigger rocks then what could be cracked by a single player. They can refine, transport, and sell in the future while paying you in credits now.

Some players hire beginners to scout for rocks in any starter ship or to crew with them in a mole.

[manic whale]

Prospector is listed in Erkul 3.14 as "unavailable" for ingame purchase. If its really so, any info why? EDIT: oh, I see. There are 2 Prospectors listed. ...mistake, or is it pulled from game files too? ..could be placeholder for something?

[elfin tartan]

Any trade changes coming with 3.14?

[manic whale]

I hope it wont change from hell to 7hells

[north oyster]

I plan to go into the PTU today, so I'll check

[manic whale]

I mean, It can get better with the coming of event, but also worse/same as 3.14 could be a patch for adjusting the flight/shield/weapons mechanics

[north oyster]

The changes in 3.14 are large enough to warrant a new version number with any other company

[manic whale]

They can tune it just when it comes to Live as it doesnt need to be tested in PTU, just change the numbers. ...as always, we´ll see 🙂

[north oyster]

I was hoping to test the new scanning as it relates to mining BUT that's broke for the ROC. I will take the Prospector out to Aaron's Halo for a spin

[manic whale]

...you saw the C2,M2 ingame prices?

[north oyster]

I just got back to town, I've not had a chance to load in yet

I accessed my computer remotely to download and install the latest PTU so that wouldn't have to wait

WELL CRAP ... getting the 16008 error trying to access the PTU. Oh well, no fun until CIG fixes this.

critical error - hope you don't get it

[north oyster]

I MAY HAVE found a solution for the error. Mileage may vary.
run an elevated command prompt (admin)
from the prompt run (without quotes) "ipconfig /flushdns"
then run "ipconfig /registerdns"

[opal yoke]

Is there any trick to finding Quantanium rocks over than just continuing with scan-fly-inspect, repeat?

[obsidian stone]

There is no ship vendor in Orison yet so I will be checking the other dealers to see if they are selling. them.

[manic whale]

Erkul is listing them (with prices) to Astro Armada and another one in New Deal

[arctic bloom]

is anyone having issues quant mining?

hopped servers twice and both times me and others were sent critical instantly after they mined quant

feels like <1 minute and not 15 minutes

[round kelp]

i have 1.4million and i'm saving up for a prospector. I've made all my money doing group mines in a mole. How should i go about getting the last bit?

[obsidian stone]

keep earning with MOLE runs, if possible. You're going to need to outfit that prospector with mining modules sooner or later.

[round kelp]

the gorup i found, buddy f*cker, only does it on satrudays. i'll look for other groups. ty

[obsidian stone]

NP. Nice to see you caught the reference. Tells me a lot.

You can always keep an eye out in #looking-for-session for MOLE pilots looking for laser operators.

[chrome cloak]

Is there a list of ships that will be able to refine ore?

[oak lake]

I'm not sure any ships have been confirmed as mobile ore refineries

There was some implication that the starfarer might, but I don't think its confirmed

We might also be getting a refinery ship announced soon

[chrome cloak]

Probably not the Aegis Vulcan?

[oak lake]

Oh, the Orion actually should have builtin refineries

[chrome cloak]

Yeah I think all I know about are the Orion and specutavely the Starfarer

[oak lake]

I don't think the vulcan will, it seems to be of other focuses, but given the hints at the starfarer anything could happen

[chrome cloak]

Yeah true

I'm trying to limit myself to only five ships. Right now I have Prospector, Vulture, Vulcan, Taurus, and I'm thinking of what I want the fifth to be

I like support and industry gameplay if you can't tell 😄

[oak lake]

Folks seem to think we'll be hearing about the new one soon

Thats a good set

Whats your budget / what size are ya thinkin?

[chrome cloak]

I prefer smaller ships

1-2 people

[oak lake]

I like em thick lol
Endeavor, Starfarer, Caterpillar would be some of my top choices to round out your list, but they're all thiccies

(And pioneer of course!)

But what else do we have on the small end of things 🤔

[chrome cloak]

haha wow

[oak lake]

Crucible seems like a good choice in that realm, perhaps the only other small industrial ship

[chrome cloak]

Can it be operated solo and with just two people too?

(speculatively)

[oak lake]

Its a bit larger than I think I expected, never looked at its specs before

min crew 3 max crew 8

Its large even huh

[chrome cloak]

Hmm yeah

Maybe the SRV?

or the Apollo?

[oak lake]

Starfarer appears to be independently operable though, we'll see once refueling is in the game
SRV / ARGO Raft would be good choices for pure industrial
Cutty Red / Apollo if you want to break into medical gameplay, I do think the apollo will be a little less ambulancy but still solo operable

[chrome cloak]

Oh yeah the Argo RAFT!

I could up the Prospertor to a MOLE and get a RAFT to compliment it

[oak lake]

Honestly, it would be pretty sick to have the full set SRV MOLE and RAFT

[chrome cloak]

I don't fully understand the SRV

[oak lake]

It seems neat, towing ships and moving cargo

[chrome cloak]

I like the layout inside of it

I mostly just want to fly around helping people, so maybe the SRV is worth a look

[oak lake]

My hangar is a bit haphazard right now, I'm totally interested in stocking up on Drake ships since they make some neat stuff
But ARGO has some of my favorite designs otherwise, and I think MISC makes some really cool ships despite the exteriors all being ugly
I want to see more like the pioneer though, thats one of my top choice capital ships

I think helping people gameplay will be a great addition, medical, towing, refueling I think will be cool, which is why I've got the cutty red and the starfarer gemini rn, as I await my endeavor

[chrome cloak]

There are too many good options

[oak lake]

Can choose between getting my degree and having a nice collection of jpgs

Best I can hope for is filling my buy backs with ships I might eventually want lol

[chrome cloak]

hahaha

When is the next time all the ships will be available for sale on RSI?

[oak lake]

Not sure about all of them, but generally thats IAE in november

[chrome cloak]

Oh okay cool

[oak lake]

Ya generally fly solo?

[chrome cloak]

Yeah, sometimes with one or two other people but mostly just me right now

[oak lake]

I do a fair amount of solo flight too but for some reason I prefer flying the big ships lol

Having big ships to run around can be pretty fun

[chrome cloak]

Big ships feel kinda empty and weird flying solo

[pallid temple]

It's almost as if they're not designed to be flown solo...

[oak lake]

thank you for your immense wisdom

They totally do seem that way a fair bit

Definitely more fun to have em fully crewed

[chrome cloak]

lolol

Yeah

[north oyster]

I've leaned towards keeping my fleet with Solo industry as the core. Trade, Mining and will look at picking up salvage

Goal is to be able to launch out of the gate earning good coin right after the "Great Reset"

[oak lake]

Good way to go

Hoping I get my merchantman by next reset

And that trade is fixed lol

Cause i def want to be able to get making some cash on trade finally

Soon as we're actually able to buy and sell in large quantities lol, and not lose a few mil to 30ks

[north oyster]

The cargo refactor is key here. Another thing that will change trade in a huge way is when we become contractors for trade rather than owners of the merchandise we are hauling. This will also see the introduction of the trade guilds

[slim atlas]

if they work it right, I'm hoping to be able to work with people mining, I can see a mining ship or two and refinery ship holding out in a good area and cargo ships buying at a lower rate direct from them taking the major transport risk

[chrome cloak]

The Merchantman is a mystery @oak lake

@slim atlas Exactly! Collaboration is going to be so much fun. Having like three people completing an entire workflow together.

[slim atlas]

maybe more once things get a bit larger, have those cargo haulers going to the best price points so could take a bit before they are back lol

[oak lake]

I agree, can't wait to be a mobile service that makes the economy matter on the player scale

I want to be able to sell resources to other players for base building etc too

[north oyster]

Tony Z. seems to have a lot of faith in the Quanta system that will be the god of the verse for all things in the PU

[oak lake]

I'm somewhat skeptical that it will make for viable commerce

Adding competition against players will significantly reduce the viability of trade for players

[manic whale]

Anybody having issues with selling quant? Been really smooth for me last days in contrary what I´ve experienced before

[rocky veldt]

is their a planned deliverable that will prevent lost cargo upon a 30k

[rotund breach]

Maybe icache

[foggy iron]

@fidOrka I sold about 55scu of Quant at ArcCorp this morning and it took it all. Last week it took three trades.

[manic whale]

me to, 2x90. Looks like its not so saturated. ...cause of players roaming in 3.14?

[opal yoke]

Trade will get a hefty punch, even if its slightly patched maybe in 3.14 the ability to buy the Hercules is gonna make a lot of "rich" people give it a try.

[chrome mural]

Whats the first miner a new player should get

[opal yoke]

How much money you wanna spend

And what ship you have?

If you can transport it, a Roc costs 100k and makes a good bit of money.
IF you cant transport it you will need a ship that can, aka rent a cutlass for 30k most likely

If you have some Auec get a Prospector for just about 2.2mil

[north oyster]

Trade is still FUBAR in 3.14, no change

[opal yoke]

Well yes

But what little profits you can make rn will be dwarfed even further

[north oyster]

There's a couple of paths. The quickest coin in pocket is to rent both the ROC & Cutlass Black (and buy the Pembroke Armor set) for roughly 50K aUEC. From here, to go Aberdeen and mine for Hadanite. You can sell at the outpost on the moon or at the Admin offices of space stations. One full ROC will bring about 220K aUEC.

Once your rental is over, go buy the ROC for 172K aUEC at New Deal in the Lorville space port

Rent the cutty again and repeat process. Then when you have enough, about 2.1m aUEC, go buy a Freelancer MAX. This will be the best to move your ROC around and also great for when you get a Prospector

Then with your next 2.2m aUEC go buy the Prospector. At HUR-L2 you can then buy the size 1 Lancet laser head. Also buy about 5 Surge and a few stampede consumables.

[chrome mural]

Freelancer is a miner?

[rotund breach]

No, you just use it to carry the ROC

• cargo boxes you pull off the ROC

[chrome mural]

Oh ight

So its like a 2+ crew operation right? At minimum

[rotund breach]

Not necessarily.

IMO ROC doesn't generate enough profit to pay out another person.

[chrome mural]

Slavery mouahaah

Jk jk

[rotund breach]

If you have a second ROC then a 2 person op is viable since you can mine out a cluster of rocks twice as fast, but a single ROC is solo business.

[chrome mural]

Me and my friend started yesturday and we are looking for the best way to make big money

[rotund breach]

Mining is definitely a good way. The real money is in space, but ROC is a great start.

Renting a second ROC is a decent way to scale. Cutty Black can comfortably fit two.

Eventually what you'd want to do is run Cargo/ROC + Prospector on the surface. The prospector breaks the medium rocks in about a second, and the cargo/ROC pilot just comes along to scoop up the minerals.

So roughly, 1. Prospector finds a medium rock. 2. Waits for cargo/ROC to arrive, then departs immediately to find the next rock 3. rinse and repeat until cargo/ROC is full.

Once you have two prospectors you can start moving into space to tackle the biguns, like quantanium asteroids.

[chrome mural]

Can you do anything else than sell ores with ores?

[pallid temple]

No

[chrome mural]

Refined ores sells for more id imagine

[rotund breach]

I don't understand the question. You can refine raw minerals at a cost/time commitment to make them more valuable.

Otherwise you can just sell them raw at the lowest price-point.

[chrome mural]

I ment like build a ship with the ores

[rotund breach]

No. You can't.

[chrome mural]

But yea that not a thing yet i belive

Shopkeeper said no so yea

[rotund breach]

You just bring the minerals in another ship to a business district to sell.

[chrome mural]

Ight

The game is honestly something ive been wanting to pkay for a while but never found it until 3 days ago

[rotund breach]

Go in understanding the reality of this project. It's not a finished experience and pretty much everything is subject to change.

Accomplish that and you're bound to have fun!

[tough tusk]

pledged the C2 in oct of 2020 ... trading was broken at christmas 2020 .... 7 mons later still no fix and been sitting on ship for longer does anyone know if there is a hint of when trading will be if ever fixed ?

[thin escarp]

@chrome mural i can show you guys how to mine fosho

[hollow sedge]

i think trading is where cig wants it to be

if cig wanted to fix it, they would have

don't you think so too?

[tough tusk]

not really

we cant afford to fly anything

[hollow sedge]

there are some ok routes

make like 30-50k

scrap

[tough tusk]

lol 50k ?

that would be enough to start up my ship maybe

[hollow sedge]

well its def not what it used to be

cig didnt like that

[tough tusk]

they better do something before i bail out sitting on my hands for 7 months to a broken gameplay loop ...is not the way

[hollow sedge]

i agree

[tough tusk]

i was hoping to find some insight

:(

[hollow sedge]

sorry i couldnt help

in the mean time, ur c2 would be better put torwards bounty hunting

[chrome mural]

That'd be dope :) but im not available for sum time today tho

[north oyster]

I have the C2 also, but trade will be "dead" until the cargo refactor. Before then we will have events that will activate the Journal with specials for Trade that will make great earnings HOWEVER, you will be flying into hot zones to deliver those goods.

[tough tusk]

that would be fine ...i dont care about danger just want some loops to play in

[north oyster]

There will not be too much dedication to the full development of any game loops until a later version of the game. They are still hacking the back-end engines. After the cargo refactor Trade will take on a whole new life. We will see trade guilds, reputation, quest, and more associated with trade.

[tough tusk]

yeah were waiting on it ...i already have the players sitting here waiting ...lol

[north oyster]

I'm trying to gauge the best solo fleet for getting back into the cashflow after the "Great Reset" that is coming. For me, Mining (ROC and Prospector) and Trade (C2 and MAX for small stuff) will be my core focus.

[tough tusk]

i had already sorted most of my fleet around trading back in 3.12

i have a few outsiders like a mole prospector and roc

and a vulcan

[north oyster]

Did you see where the CAT will now have two shields in 3.14? Beefing her up a good bit

[tough tusk]

oh yeah ...shes my old bessie

i have a pirate cat token but i havent gotten it back yet

[north oyster]

That makes her tough as the C2 and Carrack - shield wise

I'm going to CCU my cutty up to a MAX because it will be my ROC hauler. I have fallen in love with how easy and fun mining with the MAX as escort is.

I was hoping to get some scanning and ROC mining tested in 3.14 but for now the scannables is broken for the small deposits. I guess I'll run some loops in the Prospector to see how that does.

[maiden basin]

Anyone got 2mil to spare

Cuz I need a prospector

[north oyster]

danger, you might run into issues asking for funds on the forum

[maiden basin]

Oh shitting hell

I’m only asking becuz I can’t earn money fast

[north oyster]

If you are in global chat in the game, approach it a little different. Say something like, "hey, I'm about halfway to my goal for a Prospector, anyone will to help me get it quicker?" rather than coming off begging for aUEC. Just food for thought @maiden basin

[chrome mural]

If you dont know how to earn money fast ask for tips like i did and ur set

[thin escarp]

yeah i probably wont be on til tmr night

[chrome mural]

Ah ight

[outer scarab]

what are the sub item slots for for mining heads?

[tardy flower]

They are lots of mining sub item. Passive of active one. More power, less resistance or stability....

[outer scarab]

any recommendations for the helix head?

[tardy flower]

What do you mean, more power, less instability...? 🤣

[outer scarab]

idk this is all new to me

[tardy flower]

Solo mining in Prospector ? What do you mine? Quantainium ?

[foggy iron]

Yes. Quant but personally I don't bother with any rocks below 20% as you are committed to going home with whatever it yields even if it is not that much.

[green sundial]

need some sort of Q-stabilizer

even if it only gained you 20 mins

[tardy flower]

Lancet Surge Forel?

[quasi cloak]

has anyone tryed roc mining in 3.14 ptu patch yet?

[subtle forum]

Anyone know a way to get around 'Service Error' when trying to sell refined quant?

[north oyster]

There are scanning issues with 3.14 where the deposits do not show up (unless very close to the gems). I was going to try ROC mining to learn the new system in 3.14 but it is broken at the moment

[north oyster]

Where are you trying to sell it? Is that at a TDD like in Area18 or an Admin office?

[subtle forum]

I've tried selling it at Area 18 TDD and at Lorville Commercial

tried switching servers multiple times and restarting game

[north oyster]

not fun. This is a long shot, maybe go buy some other product so it is along side the Quan material in the CAT. See if that will sell and/or helps get the quan to sell also. Maybe fly to Wala and buy some astertine or something.

I would also do a bug report on the Issue Council

[maiden stirrup]

this happened to me as well a few days ago when i tried to buy widow, i tried restarting the launcher and switching servers but still happened

[round kelp]

im trying to do ROC mining in PU and having a similar experince

[north oyster]

The PU does work, it might be your technique. Going slow, scan at 100%, check near the large ore, gems can hide in large ore shadows, the gems will respond when you are within about 2k meters

[novel nacelle]

Any news about cargo balance for 3.14 ?

[crimson mantle]

As soon as the PTU opens to all, I'll datamine and check 🙂

They usually change it a fair bit between opening the PTU and releasing the final thing.

[thin escarp]

@subtle forum server hop should fix

ahh i see u did that

take off and reland. server hop before going to terminals

fixed mine

@outer scarab if your in a prospector id rock out the lancet mining head

with surge and brandt

[modest helm]

Is solo mining in a Mole worth it? I was thinking of skipping the Prospector and going straight to the Mole. I've been learning to mine in the PTU since I have access to both ships. More for practice, although my first trip in the Mole will be later today.

[opal yoke]

Mole has more cargo yes, but as a solo player you will never fill that up with Quantanium.

[subtle forum]

Solo mole mining is down to personal preference, it will allow you to min max your 3 lasers to do different things; mine bigger rocks, extract much faster, reduce instability and resistance. Overall it's much better then the prospecter, but there is a trade off having to climb ladders everytime you want to move the ship which puts alot of people off solo mole runs.

[modest helm]

I'll give it a go in the PTU to see if can handle the workflow. I figure I may end up in one at some point, why not go for it right away. My plan is to upgrade my bounty ship to a Sentinel then grind the 5M+ for the Mole.

[blissful rain]

cant wait for cargo refactoring, it will make cargo physical in the verse meaning lots of dynamic events on its own due to pvp and pirates trying to stel peoples cargo

I cant wait for cargo refactoring, it will make cargo physical in the verse meaning lots of dynamic events on its own due to pvp and pirates trying to steal peoples cargo

I truly believe that just having items physicality so anyone can grab it, will it itself create our very own xenothreat-like dynamic events that are pvp-centric

I believe cargo refactor is being worked on throughout this year and half of next year according to the progress tracker?

Are people looking forward to this gameplay?

[sage forge]

I'm looking forward to bigger containers, because hunting down hundreds of small pieces of loot is not a profitable use of time for pirates.
Who can, in fact, do this in the current LIVE version.

[rocky veldt]

actually cargo refactor is programmed to release at the end of the years

[sage forge]

By the way, right click your message and you will get 'Edit Message' and 'Delete Message'. Mentioning because you apparently wanted to edit and posted a new one.

[blissful rain]

end of this year?

as in 3.16 patch?

[rocky veldt]

well it says on the progress tracker that it's possibly done for december but doesn't mean that they will put it in game immediatly

[blissful rain]

true

[rocky veldt]

by the way do you know what will change with icache

[blissful rain]

yes

it opens the floodgates on stuff like physical components on ships, personal inventory, salvaging, medical gameplay and of course, cargo

[rocky veldt]

will it prevent cargo loss from 30k

[blissful rain]

Yes

[rocky veldt]

and it's coming when

any release date

[obsidian stone]

@rocky veldt Its on the website/roadmap

[rocky veldt]

ok thanks

[obsidian stone]

👍

[pallid temple]

That isn't a confirmed release date

[delicate girder]

So what is the max you can make on the shortest run with a cat full of cargo these days? Yes, I know it's dangerous, so I say if things go well.

Also are there decent cargo runs which don't require going down to planets?

I always just make money with ship bounty hunting since everything else seems too risky. I'd like to find that wasn't the case.

[obsidian stone]

who said it was?

[crimson mantle]

Are you also excluding moons?

[manic whale]

Nothing decent, but you can run Scrap for fun

[oak lake]

What are returns on scrap like?

[north oyster]

NO, nothing done for cargo or trade. Sorry 😦

[north oyster]

A full C2 of scrap will bring about 20K at PO

[oak lake]

lmao

and whats the cost

the risk

[north oyster]

iir, it's about 80 to 90k

[oak lake]

ok thats not bad risk

[north oyster]

Once you sell the scrap off, you can go to Celin to one of the farms to purchase Processed Food to take to the Admin of A18, Hurston or MicroTech. That is about the same as the scrap, so this cycle is about 40K earnings

[oak lake]

Good relaxing gameplay

[opal yoke]

I love Sc, but losing like 5 days of mining efforts just as you leave the station is just... oof

[obsidian stone]

did you lose it?

[opal yoke]

Yep, 30k just as I left CRU-l1 with my cargo.

[obsidian stone]

Ouch

[opal yoke]

18 Prospector runs of Quant over the last week. Entire day I didnt have a single bug or nothing

And now the game didnt let me in until I did a full restart so who knows maybe Ill be lucky and my ship will still be there, otherwise I may be out of money for the near future

[obsidian stone]

Don't claim your ship until yo verify its empty.

[opal yoke]

Oh sweet merciful SC god, I spawned in my ships bed despite not being there when it crashed. But the load looks empty.

Looks like I wont know until Im at TDD

[obsidian stone]

Correct. It could just be a visual bug.

[opal yoke]

Its Star Citizen, we never know

But I am counting on it

[blissful rain]

In a year's time IMO

Q3 2022

[manic whale]

2,7 runs. So the 4th run is your actual profit. Until that 30K can take your money put in it 🙂

[oak lake]

could be worse

[manic whale]

I´ve done 80% full Cat. cargo run to Arc10 and really dont know whos ill mind put in the hangar those breakdancing trolleys. Its not helping to keep calm 😄

[opal yoke]

Also whoever designed the hangars lorewise... It is allowed to have more than 1m clearance to each side with a 200m ship

[oak lake]

heh yeah

cant leave with carrack while the side turrets are manned

supposedly for space stations larger ships will be relegated to docking i beliebe

[opal yoke]

Its still a nervewracking experience when you know you have like 1.4mil in Cargo Loaded and they assign you a "perfect fit" landing bay when you know those larger ones are free

[foggy stone]

after 3 minutes of micro-movements I give up and jsut turn the carrack off and rush to stow it before the trolleys explode it.

[oak lake]

lmao no kidding

esp when the landing gear dont work

[oak lake]

there are larger ones?

[opal yoke]

If I may direct your eyes towards the center of the image right alongside the "road there are 2 pairs of elongated landing ports. Those are the ones you are assigned with a Cat for example, but if you look in the bottom right of Riker you can see much larger panels as well as in the topmost v-split.
Meaning I could technically be assigned 4 larger panels to not make it as tight a fit.

I know that it realistically doesnt make sense to not park a vehicle into a bay that is technically large enough, but I feel like with the lagspikes and low fps and the risk associated with crashing a ship or even just getting caught on something it would be nice for us to atleast get the largest possible pad available rn. Especially since our ships usually get stored after 5 or so minutes it feels.

[manic whale]

If I´m not certain with my hangar landing, I switch to 3rd person, but dont like it, not cool/realistic.

[opal yoke]

I prefer that too but I cant handle a cat like that because I have no good guideline as to where what is below me

[manic whale]

• mouse free look from top

...landing cam could be cool, a projection in coms MDF of view, hows the hangar floor "sees" you, like person in the centre of the hangar looking up on you.

[hollow sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-citizen-tonk-tank-gif-21699954

[opal yoke]

@manic whale Why not use the same system we have for docking? Just give me a green marked in the middle of my ship vs the middle of the bad and I am golden, no fancy cams. But not we have to BD-energy those easts into their spot

[whole fable]

anyon here been hit by mongrel squad??

[hollow sedge]

When mining quantanium, what should I be looking for ( Mass and percentage)? What are the best spots to mine quant? ( please ping me when you answer)

[paper pewter]

Roughly,
10% quant is poor
20% quant is ok
30+% quant is great

3000kg is solo-able
5000kg approaches solo+consumables
8000kg requires 2 lancet prospectors at 100% and no consumables. @Stratiax#8538

Some popular places include Lyria, Hur3, Aaron's Halo.

[delicate girder]

Complete fantasy which will never happen in game.

[delicate girder]

That's a complete joke. Why would anyone do that when they can make 90k+ in 10 minutes on a ERT?

Yes, I know that ERT will get much harder in 3.14, so lets say 70k on a VHRT in 20 minutes just to be safe.

How long does that dangerous 40k take round trip?

[paper pewter]

In my experience, there are two kinds of hammerheads. The overloaded server that misses 90% of shots, and the empty server where the HH hits 90% of shots.

[hollow sedge]

Thanks.

[shy magnet]

what mining heads to put on a mole?

lancet 2?

[shell edge]

@shy magnetI usually put 2xLancet MH2, and 1 x Helix II (the last one mostly for the powe, and for 3 consumable slots). When we are two people, I let the Helix contribute to power at 40-50% at the first break, and let the Lancet regulate (Helix lasers have a throttle responsiveness delay, so prefer not to regulate with it). Given the current noise generated by Lancets at higher laser intensities, I find that preferrable.

[shy magnet]

but can 3 lancets still break an 8000 mass rock?

[north oyster]

Not interested in what you like or do for earning aUEC. Someone asked about trade and I was providing information. I run the route because I want to. Over the year of trade and mining, I have earned more monopoly money than a lot of players. Enough to pretty much can buy all the ships in the game. So it not a matter of earning coin, it is a matter of having fun

[shell edge]

you should be able to

[shy magnet]

oh i cant use consumables on mole lancet?

[shell edge]

yes you can

I is just very noisy at the higher laser intensities

[shy magnet]

oh ok

[shell edge]

And for my ears, I prefer not to charge more than 50% on them 🙂

hopefully that will be fixed

[shy magnet]

thank you for the help

[shell edge]

the -75% buff in to instabiliity is worth it even at 0.1% laser intensitiy

[manic whale]

you can equip some passive sub-components, these are tuning the lancets noisy sound