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[blissful oxide]

It's 40% loss not 60%
I'm pretty sure than even without refinery, a Mole still make more (I'm talking solo Mole).
Roc DS isn't a better option (contrary to Mole), until we get some cave or something. Since we can create box with basic Roc.

Though, it's also about difficulty.
Mole mining (or even prosp) is harder than Roc mining (quanta mining speaking).
Which is why Quanta mining is vastly more profitable than Roc mining.
And which is why Bounty Hunting is also more profitable.
Cause once we get server meshing (or stable server), bounty hunting will be harder than roc mining (probably more than quanta mining aswell ?)

[north oyster]

A lot also depends upon the condition of the Patch and game play focus. A couple of patches the ROC was totally worthless. Now the Prospector kills me about 2/3 of the time, LOL

I love mining in the Prospector. It's what I call "fishing" because I can go out and just take my time. I don't do much Quantainium mining because I've spent a year mining like a madman and now I have all the monopoly money I could ever want (until next "great reset" wipe). The ROC is fun in that you get out on the planet and the challenge of being good at finding the gems. Both mining game play loops are a lot of fun to me.

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, roc mining is so cool, it's the only ground vehicule gameplay right now
And since they remade the "how vehicule drive" recently, it's so much better

I love to drive into planets, and just drive x)

[north oyster]

I see yet a fair amount of change coming to the mining game play. The last "hint" included a new gadget involved in mining. Needless to say, everything is going to change in every aspect to Trade, Mining, Bounties, etc.

I do miss the days of working out of Levski and making fast Quantainium runs from Aaron's Halo. It was crazy good aUEC, almost like the haydays of laranite trade

[quasi cloak]

I like mining with the roc but I wish there was a way to control the speed instead of full on or full off

[flat herald]

is prospector mining much better than the ROC?

oh you guys just had that discussion

a pal and I are vibing together and mining with the ROC and its super fun

[north oyster]

Ground vehicles as a whole have some serious issues in SC. However, as a rule, I never take my ROC too far from my MAX. If I find two nice nodes of gems near each other (under 1.5km) then I will run between the two.

[flat herald]

im just wondering if we rented a couple prospectors how it would go

[north oyster]

With two rentals you could do something because the stats stack on the targeted Ore

[flat herald]

yeah thats kinda what I figured

[north oyster]

otherwise, the rental is worthless because the Arbor laserhead is a POS

2M aUEC, I'd do bounties or ROC mining to get enough to buy the ship at New Deal

[manic whale]

As I changed mining heads on Prospector and MOLE right away after the buy just like most of players do, I have to try that stock Arbor someday, cause I havent found anywhere what it is capable of

[north oyster]

They did add where it can have ONE item slotted, which makes it almost usable

having rented a Prospector twice before buying one ingame, I can vouch for the POS claim

[flat herald]

how do the consumables work

are they one time use then you gotta buy a new one?

or is it a cooldown

[glad trench]

The max you can make per prospector run is 289k

The max u can make per roc run is 230k

To roc mine. You must first load your roc into your ship. Then look for a hadanite spawn. Which cud be shit. Or cud be ok

Let's say you find the average 8 rock vein

That's a decent amount

You fly over to It, park. Take out the roc. Mine it. Scoop it. Park the roc back in. And drive off for another

Now u got maybe 150 hadanite from that. Maybe 200. U gotta fill that bitch up way more

To fill an roc. It's gonna take a lot longer then 20 minutes

And u aren't going to get as much as a prospector can

I've actually done the math.

And in the time u fine one hadanite vein

I can be loading up with quantanium from a asteroid. And making almost 30k in 15-25 minutes per run

This is vastly more then the roc

Because u gotta keep finding those rocks along the planet. Untill u fill it up with like 800+ hadanite

[steady willow]

You have to do a lot of searching in the Prospector, too.

[glad trench]

Not really

[steady willow]

250k per refined mining run is...bad.

That's what, an hour?

[glad trench]

250k per 20 minutes is much better then anything else

[steady willow]

If you can fill up in 20 minutes after launch that's impressive

[glad trench]

Obviously there's gonna be times rng screws u

[steady willow]

It usually takes longer than that to even find a rock with QT in it, much less one that has enough to be worth it

Oh, sure, it's just 20 minutes for a run is like...almost best case scenario ime

having to land and spawn the rover and drive it in IS an extra step, no doubt about it

but i do think it's a little disingenuous to act like it's that much more complicated than the prospector

[glad trench]

I got super lucky the other day and as soon as I got to my spot. A 46% quantanium roof was the first one

[steady willow]

also, in the prospector, you have to fly the prospector

and while i love that little ship, it's underpowered and handles lot hot garbage even in vacuum

[glad trench]

Well the prospector is so easy to fly

[steady willow]

if you fly it scm speed, yeah

but i got places to be

[glad trench]

Not even

[steady willow]

FULL AFB

😄 😄 😄

[glad trench]

It's fine to fly at 400 m/s

Over that tho

And ur gonna have stopping issues

Which is bad in an asteroid field

[steady willow]

400 m/s is scm speed don't let the man tell you otherwise

the bar is a LIE

[glad trench]

True

[steady willow]

I like the moons more than the asteroid fields. Asteroid fields are boring and there's no sense of scale.

Moons you have that panoramic view and at least feel like you're going fast.

[glad trench]

Nah tho I've been finding quantanium fast by following the data on SC trade tools

Like worst case I search for 10 minutes lately before finding one

Altho there was one day I found nothing

But finding a good hadanite vein is actually worse

Imo

That's why people sell hadanite veins

[steady willow]

I learned to mine before refining was in so I'm not as organized about it

gross i'm not paying for information, what is this an old detective movie

[glad trench]

A lot pay for veins ye

[steady willow]

"Maybe twenty dollas'll jog my memory!"

"Another 10 and I might even remember the address."

[glad trench]

Someone sold me a 38% quantanium rock the other day for 10k

Which is worth

Tho I rarely ever find people selling quantanium rocks

Wish they did more

[flat herald]

what do you do when mining quantanium? mine one rock then go refine it?

[glad trench]

Yeah as long as I can get full or close to full from the rock. Ye

If it's in a cluster.of them I usually add it all up how much I cud get.and if I can get enuf..I mine the cluster

The dream is when they add the cargo refractor system

So you can have the mining ship keep mining while the cargo ship takes it back

[blissful oxide]

Maybe the Argo Raft 😄

[coarse cape]

how do you even count how much quant is in the rock

like ik theres the mass of the quant and the percent

[shell edge]

percentage of quantanium multiplied by mass of rock

[coarse cape]

ah ok

[glad trench]

The rule of thumb is any quantanium rock above 35% and over 7000 mass. Is likely going to give you a full haul of quantanium for a prospector

[steady willow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-cute-math-formulas-gif-17580986

[glad trench]

5000-7000

[shell edge]

I have made my own little spreadsheet to keep track of refined and unrefined materials, as well as a small guide for myself on what rocks to mine, if anyone wants to use it and improve on it, feel free: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N1ZmoksX0xdVRFDH7LtBziVGcjpKdL-hPzZ3MfRiZ8k/edit?usp=sharing

[north oyster]

In the past year (12 months of playing) I've made over 100,000,000 aUEC mining in both the ROC and the Prospector. I like and enjoy both. You can't layout a "this is what you make per hour" because a lot of it is luck. I have made 200k in ROC mining with two stops while spending over 35 minutes flying the Prospector and finding nothing. Then flip that can come out QT right on top of two huge Quan rocks and filled up the Prospector in no time flat.

I contend that the two are both great earning and earn at about the same rate in time.

Between the two, I would average about 500K to over 1M per day. It use to be a lot easier and faster with the Prospector when there was no refining. And it use to be easier and faster with the ROC when planets like MicroTech was 100% hadanite.

[tacit delta]

I've been flying low beneath OM-1 Microtech and I can't find any gemstone

I'm flying so low I frequently almost collide with the ground

is that too low or

[flat herald]

are the side lasers on the mole just completely bugged and unenterable?

[manic whale]

I was able to comfortably crack rocks of 35-40 resistance, so without having any money, I would start with something like laranite/agricium, sell unrefined ore, first upgrade would be some consumable, maybe passive component, which could I reequip to some better mining head, which would be second upgrade and a start for quant mining.

[coarse cape]

They were working just fine light night for me

[flat herald]

I got em to work

[flat herald]

what are some good places to mine that arent on planets

[pallid temple]

HUR-L3 is pretty good for Quantanium

There's also the Aaron Halo belt

[glad trench]

Arc l3 is godly for quantanium

[coarse cape]

yeah hur l3 is pretty good you just got to watch out for players

[north oyster]

You don't need to fly that low. 700m to 1km is fine. What you do need to do is go slow. At or below SMC speed. You need to ping at 100%. When you come up on a large ore, do a scan while you are near it, gems often hide in the large ore shadows.

Hadanite and other gems will only return a hit when within 1200 meters or so

Ones that pop up at 400 or less might be .1 hand mineables

Aberdeen and Arial are best spots for hadanite

Be sure to have the Pembroke armor set there

[tacit delta]

What's "SMC speed" ?

[whole socket]

space combat maneuver. the speed marked by the red line on your speed limiter. the speed at which your ship is most responsive to handling and at which ship to ship combat is "ideal"

[coarse cape]

or white depending on the gui

[tacit delta]

That's what that marker is? Damn I never knew

[flat herald]

if im mining quantanium, what % should I settle for

[minor knot]

Like 30 or higher

Just be sure to give yourself time to get the shit sold or you'll blow up

[flat herald]

how much would you get from selling that

assuming the mass is god

good

after refining of course

[minor knot]

No clue dont play the game just watched a shit ton of videos

[flat herald]

ah yea

[glad trench]

Assuming u fill up with nothing but quantanium

Which is kinda easy

It's rng

U will make about 290kish

If u refine

Half If u don't refine

[manic whale]

what?

[wheat solar]

I always mine The Aaron Halo.

[stable gazelle]

Quant is volatile cargo so you have a timer to get it back to the station. sharp manoeuvres also affect the stability of it as well so have to fly carefully. otherwise....boom

[steady willow]

DON'T LISTEN TO HIM PEDAL TO THE METAL SPEED IS OF THE ESSENCE

no probably do listen

[manic whale]

you dont need to "get the shit sold"

[minor knot]

Yes but if you aren't quick about it...

[north oyster]

One trick if you are running short on time with the Quantainium as you land on the pad is to EXIT the ship then suicide on the pad. This will auto-stow your ship immediately and FREEZE the doomsday countdown. From here you can spawn in the hab, run to the refinery and process the job.

If you are aiming mostly for Quantainium, the you might want to do your refinery business at CRU-L1 because it gives you a 3% refinery bonus for Quan. This is the only refinery that does that (I believe).

[tacit delta]

I have purchased my very own Greycat ROC

Now to rent a Cutlass Black and mine away

[north oyster]

The cutty works great as a ROC carrier. I would look at getting a MAX in game when you have enough to purchase your next ship to carry the ROC. The MAX is much easier to roll-on and roll-off than the Cutlass.

[blissful oxide]

Try MSR, it's even better 😄

[north oyster]

MSR is a super nice ship, twice as expensive to buy and twice as expensive to operate, otherwise an excellent choice

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, price is high D:

[north oyster]

MAX is easier to land and operate with the ROC (imo). The MAX never runs out of hydrogen and the scoops recharge fuel at a crazy rate. I never dip below 98% when mining. (TIP: when you exit to mine with the ROC, leave the ship running but turn off the engines with " i ")

[quasi cloak]

What modules would you recommend with the lancet laser on the prospector

[tacit delta]

What does engines do actually? Because my shields charge with just power on

I know it provides power for thrusters, but I was under the impression they'd be in charge of charging shields

[pallid temple]

Engines are thrusters

[torpid mesa]

Powerplant charges everything

[tacit delta]

wait, the powerplant is not the engine?

[pallid temple]

The powerplant/plants provide power to components on ships

[north oyster]

Correct, the "Engines" are just the main thrusters. When you turn off the "Engines" you are turning off all thrusters on the ship.

[torpid mesa]

Think of the powerplant more like a generator then an engine same concept turning fuel into power

[tacit delta]

[main saddle]

landing without clearance works quickly. it gets impounded faster than i can exit the ship.

[north oyster]

Good point but the last time I tried that it was over 60 seconds for ATC to collect the ship. I guess it would depend upon which color of warning you in as you land.

That was at PO where they probably have their own set of rules

[flat herald]

Is there any trick to mining quantanium with the lag and server hitching?

Consumables maybe? If so which ones

[polar patio]

use a Lancet

[flat herald]

Will try

[north oyster]

Lancet with the with Surge and maybe Stampede. Lifeline is good to have if just learning to use surge. Use Surge wrong and you go boom real quick

[foggy stone]

An org mate recommended Brandt with my Lancette I and it works well enough for me

Is everyone super picky on what they get or do they hit two refineries to maximize refinery yields? Or do you refine the good stuff and then sell the rest as raw ore?

[north oyster]

Brandt is pretty popular, I've not used any consumable to Surge (with both Helix and Lancet). For Quantainium, the refinery to use is CRU-L1 because it gives you a 3% bonus for Quan.

[foggy stone]

I saw in the screenshot above from @mellow birch that there was some ore they didn’t refine and was wondering why not if you’re already there

[north oyster]

I never refine anything under Agricium. Anything else is a waste of time and money. Not sure why they would refine quartz also.

I don't mess with Heph either

Borase is worthless in that it breaks terribly. Bexalite normally breaks pretty good

the maximum you can make from a 100% 32 SCU of Quantainium in a Prospector is 281K

So the return on a refined load of each ore in a Prospector (assuming 32 SCU) is
Agricium = 86,000 aUEC
Laranite = 97,300 aUEC
Taranite = 103,800 aUEC
Bexalite = 129,500 aUEC

It will be less than this because refinery choice and method also effect yield

[steady willow]

you're like the mining hokage

v nice

[north oyster]

when something pays you 10's of millions, you pick up a thing or two about it, LOL

I'm confident that the way we mine today probably won't exist by time we get to the end of the year. It is going to change a good bit

[steady willow]

almost certainly, but you've got tables and everything ready

i made most of my money off a trade bug in like, 3.11 or 12

had a loaner cat full of medical supplies that wouldn't empty when i sold them

[north oyster]

3.14 will see changes that will reshape mining a good bit

[steady willow]

so i camped out in microtech selling the same cargo bay over and over until a 30k finally forced me to claim

now i have a hammerhead i never use yay that was stupid shoulda bought a 600i or something

[north oyster]

Early on I had the Quantainium bug like everyone else. I had to sell the same load multiple times. If you didn't then your ship would blow up when you tried to take it out again

[steady willow]

not bad at all lol

[north oyster]

yeah, more than once I'd spawn my Prospector and get ready to leave Levski and the volatile alarm would start beeping. I'd have to land and go sell the cargo again before I could leave

BTW, I think you would've really enjoyed the 600i. I certainly do

[outer scarab]

can i sell stuff i mined anywhere or only in refineries?

[coarse cape]

if its refined usually anywhere

[outer scarab]

does it have more value if i refine stuff than just selling the ore's straight away?

[jolly bronze]

Yes, double

You sell refined goods at cities and raw goods at refineries

[outer scarab]

I’ve been following a sheet for what’s valuable since I have no idea what is and isn’t lol. This will be good value if refined then?

im at refinery now when they finish does it automatically get stored in my ship or do i have to collect it?

[oak lake]

You have to choose a ship to put it in once its done

[jolly bronze]

You have to collect it in a ship with a cargo hold big enough to store the job

[outer scarab]

damn i dont have any ship with space for cargo yet 😦

ill have to sell straight up

[oak lake]

You can rent a Cutty

Which can hold all that

[flat herald]

whats the deal with the asteroids that are unscannable

they seem to be everywhere

[hollow sedge]

Is the greycat roc worth it?

[flat herald]

yeh

ROC mining is loads of fun

you can rent it for like 5k if you want to test

[flat herald]

What ship should I rent for running my mining hauls around

probably a freelancer I guess

[steady willow]

cutlass black is probably better

cheaper to rent iirc, easier ramp

freelancer max is better if you wanna haul vehicles

freelancer will get the job done tho

[manic whale]

no

no, he doesnt need to ramp

h doesnt need to haul vehicles

yes

[flat herald]

yeah Im talkin about selling refined stuff

cutlass black is awesome for taking the ROC around for sure

[manic whale]

yeah SCU/rent aUEC is better for Freelancer

[tacit delta]

Does Freelancer have more storage capacity?

[manic whale]

yes, 66scu

[thorny copper]

freelancer max very gud

[flat herald]

unrentable tho :c

[flat herald]

no feeling like running through 2 shopping malls, riding several elevators, and navigating the catwalks to get to the refinery to process your haul before it goes critical and sends half the station to kingdom come

[manic whale]

timer goes off after storing your ship, so your only mission is get out of the ship-take an elevator to lobby-store

[flat herald]

oh you can store it?

neat

that sounds handy.

[native granite]

it worse when ur ship is bugged

[flat herald]

Mole pilots trying to find out what continent they stopped in after accidentally turning off their speed limiter

[naive maple]

Is there any way to reset the 5 charges on the mining consumables... I hate to leave the station to only find out there is but a single charge of Surge left!

[ancient ivy]

You have to buy another module I believe it’s a 5 charges and it’s used up.

[north oyster]

That's why I keep surge in two slots because keeping track is right near impossible.

[manic whale]

you mean draw marks on piece of paper? 😁

[terse stream]

Can you send me that sheet?

I’m hardly making any money from mining.

Gonna start doing combat missions instead.

[tacit delta]

Where are asteroids for space mining usually located?

Around the LX mining stations?

[obsidian stone]

thats a great place to start to learn and improve your skill.

[west ember]

does cargo halting ok now?

[obsidian stone]

No

[acoustic garnet]

no it isnt

only through mining can you Cargo Haul

[west ember]

thx

[naive maple]

@terse stream Bounty Hunting is FAR superior in terms of aUEC earned/hr ,... I mean, by a factor of 4-5x superior

I only started doing mining again to check out the new passive modules and cause BH'ing got boring and grindy

[blissful oxide]

Lol no
Quanta mining with Mole (and possibly prospector too ?) is more profitable

harder for sure, best more profitable

[naive maple]

ERT Group Bounties net 90,000+ each mission and take 15-20 minutes in an Eclipse, so even Quant mining can't compare to that as it will easily take an hour to find, mine, return and drop off at Refinery... not to mention all wiped away in a 30k... none of which applies to BH'ing

[blissful oxide]

20-30m per run
And it gives 300k (for bad rocks), to 900k if lucky

That's more than bounty ^^

[naive maple]

full prospector is $250,000... and good luck finding a 30% Quant rock "immediately"

[blissful oxide]

With Mole it's 900k for full
And you can find bunch of 8-12 rocks of Quanta in Lyria

Common run is half a Mole
Good run is full one

[naive maple]

20-30 minutes per run?... to find that much Quant and fill a Mole solo?... No, u have never done that, not even once under a lucky star.... but, yes, "theoretically" possible

i found a single 38% Quant rock in my prospector last night... about 10 minutes into searching... another 10-15 mining and 10 more dropping it off at the Refinery... that was Rare but the first and best 250k aUEC I've made mining Quant... we'll see if I can make it to A18 to sell it tomorrow

meanwhile I make an easy 500,000 aUEC doing ERT group bounties for a couple hours each day in the Eclipse... just really bored with it currently

[blissful oxide]

Well, that's my primary job on the game, made multiple run with filled M2 of quanta ^^

In Lyria, you find a chunk of quant in under 5m, really ^^

Really, a common run is 20-30m
And I fill half a Mole

[naive maple]

@blissful oxide yikes!... aren't you ever worried a single 30k could erase a couple weeks worth of mining if it hits while you are doing the full M2 sales run?

[blissful oxide]

Sometimes better, rarely under

[blissful oxide]

Nah, never had any 30k since 3.13.1

[naive maple]

oh hell, i get at least 1 every 4 hours of gameplay, some days worse

[blissful oxide]

Which is weird, cause I know many people still have many
But lot of people never had any since 3.13.1 too

[naive maple]

which servers are you playing on? AUS?

[blissful oxide]

EU

[naive maple]

I'll have to check that out

do you solo mine in a Mole?

[blissful oxide]

Yup, I really like the ship 😄

Though, I agree that it's way easier to get money with bounty
But if you get good at mining, it's more profitable

Until they nerf it

But bounty will get nerf when server get stable too

[naive maple]

i do too.. but i'm only ever aboard in Org Mining runs with 2 other miners as we split profits and the pilot jumps into the middle seat to collect with the FLTR-XL equipped there

so the side seats break it up and the pilot/center seat collects

[blissful oxide]

For multi crew mining, it's better that others get their own ship, as recon.
So they can find perfect rocks while the Mole travel back to refinery

[naive maple]

we have scouts that get 15-20% tips as well

they actually come out on top i think, cause they find multiple rocks for ALL the crews and get multiple "tips" per night

well, I'm gonna go do an ERT Bounty mission to fund my mining consumables and glitched away passives,.. so i can spend some more time wandering the HALO belt again

L8r Y'all

[blissful oxide]

Imo it's better if the actual crew get their ship too, it's easy to leave their ship and come back to them between each chunks, but a bit more difficult to "manage" everything I guess

Try Lyria ! It's way better than Halo Belt 🙂

If you find chunk of rocks there, it will be quantas 🙂

[naive maple]

Lyria huh?... will do... Thx for the heads up!

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, SC-Trades did some data mining, and thought the planet only had Quanta rocks.
Which is partially true, there is still some random rock.
But if it's a chunk of rocks, it will be quanta 🙂

[north oyster]

I think someone posted that outside suna 21 station was huge Quantainium deposits. Don't go to close to the station, it'll give you a trespassing

SPAL 12 on Lyria

iirc

[bright terrace]

What's a good beginner mining ship?

[thorny copper]

There's only really misc prospector if you want to be ship mining currently

[terse stream]

With BH aren’t you literally killing players though?

[thorny copper]

Other option is a ground vehicle miner like greycat roc but you'll need something like a cutlass of freelancer to transport it in

[terse stream]

Someone told me trading with a caterpillar was pretty insane $

[thorny copper]

There is bounty hunting with npc targets too

[terse stream]

Oh

Interesting

[thorny copper]

Kinda piece of cake for most part and good payout

[terse stream]

I was doing the missions where you shoot the beacons

Was like 20,000 per mission

Took like 5 minutes each

[thorny copper]

Yeah claim jumpers is a lot more effort

[terse stream]

Is that the mission name for shooting the beacons?

I’m not at home so I can’t check lol

[thorny copper]

Yeah, you're essentially destroying sentry turrets placed out on asteroids, easier to hit than npc bounties but takes a lot more damage and their guns are rather dangerous to get hit by

[terse stream]

The beacons i am talking about didn’t shoot back

[thorny copper]

Might have been the illegal surveillance job then, or the mining claims were bugged

[terse stream]

Yes

Illegal surv

[thorny copper]

Yeah that's relatively simple I guess

[terse stream]

Are the bounty missions more than the illegal surv missions?

[thorny copper]

Depends, you start out with easy low paid targets and work your reputation up to heavier well paid stuff

Can be anything from 4500 to around 100k a job atm

[terse stream]

O nice

What ship do you recommend?

Right now I only have a prospector and some other little baby ship

[thorny copper]

For pve most ships will do the job if youre a decent pilot with a good loadout really

But if you're relatively green to ship combat and want something tanky and forgiving the vanguards are a no-brainer pick

A cutlass or freelancer will do fine too if you want a ship thats more versatile for other gameplay as well

[iron mason]

How much is a prospector ueac?

[pallid temple]

2million

[iron mason]

And upgrades and load out probably another 100k?

[glad trench]

Nah not even

Lancet+consumables+good quantum drive is only gonna set u back 50k

[cinder steppe]

When they fix cargo, yes

[thin escarp]

going to running a pretty big mining operation tonight if that interests anyone dm me 🙂

around 10pm est

[tacit delta]

So I need some confirmation

I had my ROC in a rental cutlass when I DC

When I returned to the same planet, I get the option to retrieve my ROC but fails

Trading console acknowledges my ROC's cargo but attempting to sell shows an error

My question is, is there a way to get my cargo back? I heard stories about people waiting a day or two and their cutlass spawns back with everything inside

It seems that when I DC my cutlass and the ROC in it despawns because their status is unknown, I can't track them, and when I went looking for them they're gone

I found a place where I was mining and they weren't there

I know I'm joining the same server instance because I was playing with friend in a party and he didn't dc

[split minnow]

Try going to the last station you landed the cutlass and first see if you can sell your cargo. After that file a claim on the cutlass, then spawn it. You might find your ROC inside since that's where the game remembers it being @tacit delta

[tacit delta]

I'll try it next time, thanjs

The cutlass was outside scanning tho

And I can't track it

If that works, it might salvage mining for me

Because I always DC an hour or half

[coarse cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768553629103161345/856040433725341746/Squadron_42_-_Star_Citizen_Screenshot_2021.06.19_-_21.18.28.52.png

for 5k mass and 29% not bad lol

[tacit delta]

Btw when you say station, do you mean mining stations, or the big stations listed as the location in fleet manager?

I just lost it again to 30k and it's listed as being in microtech

[tacit delta]

well fuck

Its detected in Port Tresller

but I can't sell

[manic whale]

its gone, get over it

[ancient ivy]

Unfortunately I think you’ve lost it. Fidorka that’s a pretty harsh answer they’re just trying to salvage their profits.

[manic whale]

I dont care if somebody takes the truth as harsh. SC is in alpha testing, we´re testers without any warranties or rights to claim this games functionality.

[tacit delta]

I don't see why attempting to claim lost ores is "truth"?

you're trying to be a hero without an enemy

[manic whale]

the cargo is lost. This is how it works now in the game. End of story

[tacit delta]

and that relates to you how?

neither your server, nor pinged you

[manic whale]

what? You asked here something, I answered. Take that advice or let it be. I dont care nor I discuss it further, you can solve it with VtrSlaney

[tacit delta]

I was talking about it with someone else

You barged in, made a lot of assumptions of what I was thinking, then proclaimed yourself Harbinger of Truth

[split minnow]

I don't know if it even works for mining's cargo, but a workaround for 30k loss abatement is to swing by a station and request landing, you don't actually have to land. Then go on to where you were going to sell. If you get a 30k before you get there, sometimes your cargo will be at that last station you either landed at or requested landing at @tacit delta

And try to shrug off any unwanted comments, toxic salt goes along with such a huge pool of random strangers.

[tacit delta]

That's something I'll try next time, thanks

[oak lake]

Wtf why is it so hard for folks to be polite sometimes

[lucid forge]

uh quick question, why can i only buy 20 scu of med supplies from deakins? i thought they make 1000 per click

tick

[crimson mantle]

1000 units is 10 SCU 🙂

but inventories are also shared between servers: other people may be buying the same stuff

[earnest rampart]

hello, haven’t played since January, is cargo still messed up or did that get fixed? Been wanting to get back into the game and cargo was my money maker

[coarse cape]

From what I’ve seen still messed up

Though people are trading scrap

[earnest rampart]

:( no Laranite?

[terse stream]

Is that why trade routes are ALWAYS bought out?

[earnest rampart]

How profitable is that?

[coarse cape]

Don’t know how profitable it is

[terse stream]

Can you tell me how cargo used to work and what is wrong with it?

[thorny copper]

no trade routes are bought out because the game economy is still broken

people are sitting on hundreds and hundreds of million credits from various exploits and keeps buying up everything there is

[earnest rampart]

hopefully there’s something that’s at least above 30k in profits so I can give crew worthwhile moneys

[thorny copper]

and the "market" hasn't been adjusted for it

this is why we need a new wipe of everyones accounts

but cig won't gib

[terse stream]

Wipe of cash?

Or ships too

[thorny copper]

credits and ships

[earnest rampart]

my super hornet doe :((

[terse stream]

Why wipe ships

[thorny copper]

but credits alone would be nice

I want ships to go too tho

[terse stream]

I’m not paying more irl cash to get the same ship.

[thorny copper]

I only "own" one ship technically

but I have every ship in the game

bought them all for credits

its kinda boring having nothing to buy, being reset back to just my pledger would be a nice fresh start

[earnest rampart]

I have 2 + the referral dragonfly

[earnest rampart]

when do you think the economy will be fixed?

[thorny copper]

when they do the next wipe

but another exploit might appear just fucking it up all over again tbh

so its hard to say

[earnest rampart]

so it’s just people having tons of money that’s caused this

[thorny copper]

pretty much, and cig's lack of adjusting the market for it

they want it to be more realistic with limited stocks and all that, but it just leads to like 90% of traders getting locked out of that gameplay loop

[earnest rampart]

so if I were to do a laranite run would I be waiting forever?

[coarse cape]

yeah a wipe would be pretty nice

[thorny copper]

you'd have to camp an outpost for like hours regularly checking the stocks yeah

[coarse cape]

what ship

[earnest rampart]

MSR

[thorny copper]

and even then its far from a promise you'll manage to fill it

[coarse cape]

yeah def

[earnest rampart]

Figured

[coarse cape]

honestly better to mine and sell refined ore

[earnest rampart]

[coarse cape]

or bounty hunt

[earnest rampart]

bounty hunting and mining are meh

Imo

[thorny copper]

checking the journals for commodity price alerts might have some viable trade routes

[coarse cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny copper]

buying fireworks and audio-video equipment or what its called

[coarse cape]

the problem is selling it sometimes

or 30ks

[earnest rampart]

if I’m with a friend 30ks aren’t an issue since I load back in the same spot

can confirm that was the case at least 3 times

[coarse cape]

well if both of you 30k thats a problem lmao

[hollow sedge]

that just means that u got disconnected from the server

[earnest rampart]

ik

[hollow sedge]

usually. 30ks means the server died. that means your position is lost

[earnest rampart]

if the server actually gets kill tho

yea

[main saddle]

I was flying my Mole yesterday and stopped to read the plaque on the wall by the elevator 😅

[coarse cape]

lol

[main saddle]

Argo's corporate lawyers are top notch

[covert beacon]

Wheres the best location to mine quantanium?

[ancient ivy]

in a mole or prospector

[nimble umbra]

Lyria. Scout out the non snow covered areas near the mountains.

[covert beacon]

Prospector

Cant find shit anywhere

[nimble umbra]

Then it’s a short trip to arc L1 to refine

Our org pulled a little over $7 mil worth of quant out of lyria in just a couple hours.

[covert beacon]

Nice gonna check

[glad trench]

That a lotta quant

That a lotta chedder

[coarse marlin]

Lol my org pulls 440m UEC ever 2 weekz

C:

How many people have a mole, better yet who does NOT have a mole has has been WORKING to get one?

@everyone

C:

[oak lake]

Why would you try to ping everyone

[thin escarp]

^

[coarse cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768553629103161345/856330905841041438/Squadron_42_-_Star_Citizen_Screenshot_2021.06.20_-_16.32.12.56.png

b

first quant rock of my run as well

[glad trench]

i got a prospector

i usually find rocks that gimme 32 quant

[glad trench]

myself

[coarse marlin]

you want a mole?

[glad trench]

im working to it ye

[coarse marlin]

I can buy you one

[fallen musk]

I've been working towards to too yeah

I've actually been in some dudes mole once and that shit blew my mind

I've been roc mining and I bought a prospector to try to mine quantanium until I found out you couldn't swap parts on rentals

[glad trench]

ye i can pay u back with the money i get from it; did the same with the prospector

[north oyster]

The Mole is a great ship but for solo, it's not the best by far.

[coarse marlin]

I make 440m UEC a month im good

dm me

[fallen musk]

440m what in tarnation

lmao

[north oyster]

Sounds like one of those spam links, LOL

Though I pretty much averaged about 500k to 1.5m aUEC a day for about a year. Missing the days of Quantainium mining in Aaron's Belt 15 seconds outside of Levski (no refinering needed) and also when MicroTech was 100% Hadanite. Talk about raking in the coin.

[elfin tartan]

sugah daddah

[clever seal]

how do i see how many uses left on my mining consumables?

[coarse cape]

you dont

[thin escarp]

i only mole mine so i use just passive modules.

got a pretty nice loadout.

440 mil every 2 weeks is def sus. i'm sure related to the new CIG messages on load screen.

[coarse cape]

yeah

its def possible though

[lime thistle]

Hook it up with a prospector or msr

[tacit delta]

How the hell do you make 440m a month

[glad trench]

i mean if u mine enuf anything is possible

hell u cud probably mine so hard that the game releases next week

[thorny copper]

exploits

[steady willow]

tax fraud

[coarse cape]

Begging

[tacit delta]

Pls sir I beg of you
Gimme the entire game's ships Just 890 Jump What about just MSR I'll settle with Talon Shrike No wait don't ban

[manic whale]

why exploits? Just mine a million/hour, 12h a day for 30 days 😀 ..also wrote, that his org makes 440/14days, so he's in 2men org 🙂

[topaz marsh]

Is it possible to crack a 8167 mass rock solo in a prospector?

[manic whale]

why would you do that?

[topaz marsh]

cause its a 35 percent quant rock lol

[signal jacinth]

Where is the best place to ROC mine ?

[topaz marsh]

abeerden

[tacit delta]

Isn't that like the worst

Because the winds can knock off your cutlass and you're fucked

[north oyster]

Yes, but will take a little practice. You will probably have to use TWO Surge consumables on it. When you start, after a few seconds of the laser at 100%, be sure to note the position on the charge meter where the laser is at. Once you hit with the first surge, be sure to note now much of an increase you got from that blast (this important). Since you won't be able to reach the green on the first blast, you allow the reading on the laser charge indicator to drop enough so that the second blast will put you in the middle of the Green zone. Yes you will blow yourself up as you learn to do that. So you might want to keep a lifeline on hand just in case

[north oyster]

As a follow up, here is an excellent video done by SMBRyan about just that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLHd3PMuWs

[north oyster]

Like MG said, Aberdeen and Arial are the best hadanite moons in the Stanton system. The nights on Aberdeen are freakish black dark, so you will certainly need to aim to scout only on the daylight side. I would suggest diving down from OM-1 because it is always daylight on the north axis that OM-1 marks.

[worn escarp]

note to self: do not Place boxes in the 300 series' cargo elevator

[north oyster]

I'll also record that note to avoid the same mistake. I don't think I've ever opened the cargo ramp (if there is one) on my 325a

[worn escarp]

I wonder if Drop works or if it'll lead to the same kind of disaster

guess I'll science it

[north oyster]

I think you can carry it into the cabin

[worn escarp]

yeah, I know that the cabin works (kinda); just want to see if the elevator works

another note: if you do use the "Exit Ship" interaction option, let the full animation play out, or you'll fall through the floor later :E

it's bouncing...

yep, doesn't work; elevator gets stuck

so for now the only purpose of these elevators is to look pretty when you're carrying commodities I guess

it's much better behaved on the kitchen top

[dusky kernel]

drugs are they worth?

[tardy flower]

Not yet. Selling is very, very slow.

[dusky kernel]

what about cargo then?

[tardy flower]

Pretty broken this patch.

[dusky kernel]

Any advice for making money just came back to the game

[tardy flower]

Bunty hunting is clearly the way for this patch

[dusky kernel]

Mining?

Is it decent or?

[tardy flower]

Yes Mining is quiete decent

ROC/Prospector/Mole ?

[dusky kernel]

Roc with a buddy

Who is trying to get me back into it

[tardy flower]

Roc so go on Aberdeen and look for Hadanite. It will be great for money 😉

[dusky kernel]

How much roughly

[tardy flower]

You can sell a full cargo of ROC for more than 200k

[dusky kernel]

Shit really?

Jeeez

[worn escarp]

do you need a specific ship to mine?

[dusky kernel]

Any where specific in Aberdeen?

[tardy flower]

Far away from an outpost (Jeep in mind pirate ans grieffer existe)

[dusky kernel]

ye

[tardy flower]

Yes.
Roc : mining on ground véhicule
Prospector : solo mining
Mole : crew mining

You can rent Roc and Prospector 👍

[tardy flower]

Make your aUEC great again !

@oak lake you unmasked my accent ^^

[oak lake]

Les français s'exposent toujours 😉

[worn escarp]

la autocorrect française

[oak lake]

et les ?,!,: recevront toujours une espace avant

[signal jacinth]

@north oyster thanks 🤘

[north oyster]

I would recommend avoid renting the Prospector unless you just want to learn the gameloop, you are hamstrung with a worthless laserhead and can't really make any earning with it.

[hollow sedge]

yea just do bounties till you can buy a roc.

prospector and mole mining kinda suck rn

[terse stream]

Yeah but what head do you need?

[tardy flower]

You can't change Roc head 😉

[north oyster]

ROC is a complete package, no mods (att) needed to make max coin

[north oyster]

Be sure to get the Pembroke armor before you go there. You can buy this in the refinery store. Armor is listed in the undersuit section and don't forget the helmet also

[little ether]

Half a C2's load of Quant sold for around 3.6 mil

[little ether]

Haven't seen profits like that since the ye old'e days of the laternite gold rush.

[manic whale]

just lost a 110scu quant cargo due 30K. Never happened to me before. I´m not a virgin anymore! 🥳 🥳

[shell edge]

Welcome to the club...

[dusky kernel]

how does the commodity price alerts work?

[coarse cape]

just tells you whats being bought and sold iirc

good for making routes

[weary idol]

someone with a Starfarer here?
is the rafinery actually working? can you transfer mined stuff to the starfarer already?

[manic whale]

Starfarer is hydrogen fuel collector-refinery-support. It doesnt haul mined stuff from mining ships

[weary idol]

oh okay. so I did misunderstood something. good to know. Thank you, cheers mate o7

[coarse cape]

it has cargo grid so you can transport cargo but its main purpose is to transport and i think make fuel

[weary idol]

i just saw a YouTube Video, where a dude was talking about the Starfarer as a refinery- and not only as a cargo- and refueling ship. So I was curios, if someone knows something more about that, because I was always unsure about the 'missing link'-ship between a Prospector/MOLE and a classic Cargo Hauler.

[manic whale]

No, you heard it well 🙂 Im watching it just now, latest Star Citizen Live https://youtu.be/pnPBHdHWSM4?t=2082

[weary idol]

yeap, thats it ^^

[manic whale]

It would be maybe a role of the leaked Argo Raft to collect bags from Prospector/MOLE, make it somewhat cubic shape and somehow magically put it in the Starfarer, cause it has only ramp access to cargo hold section. ...maybe there would be released new module for the Starfarer instead of those fuel tanks or you would have a choice to remove fuel tanks and Raft will dock to Starfarer 😄 , cause we have that mechanics ...just theorycrafting here 😄

...I thought they were speaking about Orion that whole time as a refinery platform

[weary idol]

Yeah that could be. I also thougt that this ominous ARGO R.A.F.T could be that kind of "bag-to-SCUbox"-transfer-Ship. But you could be right with that module switching on the Starfarer. We will see. I am just hoping, that CIG will somewhat finish this "gameplay-loop" so we can all finally make some good aUEC with our friends, mining rocks and sining miner songs xD

[manic whale]

or the easier way - they showed, that there is already (working? in the development) refueling arm on Starfarer. So the transport ship with ore could attach to it and transfer its cargo this way - there´s no need physically moving crates or bags right now. Just like with Prospector. You land and see your cargo in refinery, nobody´s taking it physically from the ship. ...and that same with end product hauler. It can attach, transfer and boxes appear in say Caterpillars cargo hold. ...will see 🙂 Im also looking forward to this gameplay

thx for pointing that out, will watch the next episode more carefully 😄

[foggy stone]

The only thing with taking crates manually from the prospector/mole in the future is that damned Quant timer. They would need to expand the gameplay loop to allow for stabilization to give the team enough time to off load and store the quant.

[weary idol]

since we're on the subject of loading and unloading cargo anyway: Does anyone have a good source (text or youtube video) on the subject? A friend once told me that it will take different amounts of time, depending on the type of ship -> A caterpillar is supposed to be faster than a C2, if I understood correctly!?

[shell edge]

this is from 2015...some ideas may have changed since then: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14677-Design-Notes-Cargo-Interaction

[weary idol]

Ah thank you :)

[shell edge]

https://starcitizen.tools/Cargo

[thin escarp]

whoever said mole mining sucks is derpin

775k run.

just gotta know what ya doing.

[shell edge]

I love my Mole

[thin escarp]

mined almost 900 scu of quant saturday alone.

in 3 hours.

[still junco]

BALLER
id love to have a MOLE but the whole having to change seats is making me stick to the prospector, since i play on my own

[thin escarp]

I run a org so i always can get some of the guys to fill seats in my moles. i feel ya though solo. its not really a solid vibe. prospector is solid too.

@still junco

if ya ever wanna get into some mole mining shoot me a add 🙂

[still junco]

have you change the quantum on your mole?

[thin escarp]

yep x1's on all

[still junco]

or do you feel is good enough to get to the refinery on time

alright

dont know which one is x1

ill look into it

also what seat/arm of the mole do you feel is the most comfortable to mine

[thin escarp]

this is my mole loadout rn

[still junco]

ty for the info man
very kind

[thin escarp]

yeah i dont run into issues getting to refinery. been mining for ages so i got it down to a science.

if ya ever have questions hmu

[blissful oxide]

what ? That's the most profitable job currently

[thin escarp]

^ i wouldnt go that far.

its close.

a skilled bounty hunter that runs into no bugs and always has missions available will beat us out most of the time.

but i average around 600k a mining run in my mole. which takes aaround 25-30 minutes

[coarse cape]

yeah mining is good just got to be lucky with your finds and server status

[thin escarp]

i use scouts so i dont waste time

[coarse cape]

yeah that works

when i quant mine on planets i look for rocks with red veins and just hope its not too big to mine with my prospector and that it also has a good percentage of quant to get

[steady willow]

Bounty Hunting is more efficient than mining rn if you have a good setup for it, and the barrier for entry is lower (or less exclusionary)

However, mining is profitable and fun and doesn't punish you for collaborating with friends, so there's that.

Trading is about the only thing you can't really do effectively, partially because of issues with the market mechanics rn and partially because the risk of 30ks costing you your entire uninsured cargo is too high

[coarse cape]

You also need a pretty good ship to make profits

[whole wagon]

Weeps in cargo ships........

[glad trench]

damn thats a flex and a half

6 mins tho is not long to get back

[thin escarp]

@glad trench ez

[misty swift]

What do you mean by you use scouts? Do you have a couple of friends or people out there looking for resources?

[manic whale]

^^ there goes soloing MOLE 🙂

[manic whale]

Helix is your mining head? Why are you adding resistance with double Rieger + lower laser power with XTR = weakening Helixes main feature, power?

[blissful oxide]

But you rarely make 1.2M per hour with bounty
You are closer to 600k, 800k you are on a server that spawn AI fast

Mole mining is 800k-900k for common luck (when experiencied ofc)
But can go up to 1.5 to 2M per hour with pretty good luck/server.

Which can't be done with bounty.
Cause if you get fresh server, you will get shredded by HHs x)

[covert beacon]

Whats the best passive mining modules to mine quantanium?

[north oyster]

Surge is a given, especially for larger rocks and also saving time. I normally keep two of my slots occupied by Surge. The others depends upon taste and laserhead used. Stampede is good for the Lancet because it charges so SLOW when you are in the green zone. Stampede gets you through the green zone in no time flat

oh, you said passive

[covert beacon]

Yeah haha

But nice info nonetheless

[north oyster]

sorry, I don't waste money on those because they are lost just like active

When in the PTU I was testing passives extensively and wasn't impressed with even the top tier. But then you wrap up about 120K aUEC and get a crash 15 feed off the pad and loose all that coin. Not for me.

[covert beacon]

Ah ye losing them sucks, didnt know about that

[hollow sedge]

you dont really need passives at all for quant if u have a lancet head

unless ur mining rocks with low percentage in which case a fltr-XL might be nice to reduce the amount of waste u pick up

but u very very rarely need it

[coarse cape]

I use surge, optimum and torpid for quant

I can general mine stuff around 6000 and less

[north oyster]

SC Leaks had some info on the upcoming single use gadgets that you will be able to place on the Rocks to help with the mining. Seems there will be 6 new items

I don't know if more than one can be used at the same time, I think they can because we can do combo now with both passive and active components

[wise ruin]

Whats a good route to do? I have a cat

[paper pewter]

😔 Trade as a whole is in a bad place currently.

[thorny copper]

I'd check journals for commodity price alerts, probably the most sure way of trading currently

[stable gazelle]

https://sc-trade.tools is good for trade routes but need to take into account refresh rates and avoid drugs

[paper pewter]

for the first time ever i saw a place sold out of biowaste

[long elk]

what do you do when a place does not have enough supplies?? do you just wait for them to have the stock or do you came back later?? and what about if the place your selling it to has low demand and you cant sell it all do you wait or go somewhere else??

trying to get into hauling mass cargo with the caterpillar and i have no clue what to do

[thin escarp]

@misty swift yeah like I'll have my org mates or friends to scout for quant rocks in fast ships

@manic whale with all that laser power on moles resistance aint shit. also the green zone thicccc

also its a typo. all rieger c3s no c2s

@hollow sedge you wanna get the most profit. but also having the speed scooping cuts down on time.

i can have that one laser scooping my 2nd to last rock so i can keep moving.

[junior arch]

And although I agreed that BH'ing before 3.13 was more profitable. Now that you have to fly further to get to the bounty and they take their sweet time to show up. Mining has started to take the lead when it comes to profitability > hour

Now; you still have to contend with 30k's and possible patch/character resets. EG: 30k can lose your whole Quant load when moving from Refinery to Sell. And a patch can clear all your refinery orders if you aren't staying on top of them

But with a good 3-5 man Mole crew. With 1 scout; you can rake in 120-170k per person every 30-45 minutes. (Granted people know what they are doing with scanning/mining)

We've definitely walked away with each mole crew breaking 1 mil per person after a couple hours of mining

[blissful oxide]

Interesting
It might makes the Mole finally "worst" for soloing
And even encourage multicrew 😄

[oak lake]

im having more success than 3.12 with bounties since before not all bounties would have a QT beacon on them, I'd have to fly anywhere from 100 to 500 km

[winter hazel]

who else just likes to do box missions just to explore

[north oyster]

That's how I learn the core basics and locations in Stanton

[indigo wind]

back in the day illegal box missions were pretty profitable

[tardy flower]

https://c.tenor.com/LmJVhs-GXzwAAAAM/a-long-time-a-while-ago.gif

[north oyster]

I don't see it lending to making the MOLE worst for solo. There is always "extra time" needed in the MOLE to transverse between cockpit and mining chair. There will be extra time needed to EVA out and back.

[steady willow]

Doing clustered box missions in New Babbage with my Banu Defender was so much fun.

[blissful oxide]

Hum yes but, getting to turret is somewhat fast
Getting outside take way more time ^^
And having someone waiting on the elevator, might be even better than 2 prospectors
Dunno, we'll see ^^

[north oyster]

on that, yes, I concur. Travel time to exit on the MOLE could be a real factor. I see what you're saying then

going to be fun to find out. Since I mine in the Belt most of the time the idea of directly engaging with an asteroid sounds ok, but the payoff needs to be sweet for me to leave my comfy chair

[manic whale]

I would say its the same like in a current discussion in #flight-combat-racing about efficiency of ship+turret gunner vs. 2x ship . Instead of bringing friend into MOLE, each of you can take Prospector - double the radar, double the mining power, 1 Prospector could have just FLTR modules and be the refinery delivery boy, while the other continues to scan.

[blissful oxide]

Imo, a dedicated scanner ship + Mole is better than 2 prospector

Though, about flight_and_combat, with 3.14 coming and capacitors, one hurricane might finally be better than 2 bucaneers
Since manned turret will now provide better firepower, according to Manned turrets have their isolated weapon capacitor system which will regenerate weapons faster and provide a deeper pool.

(for more info debate https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/o6fa6h/314_might_be_very_good_for_multicrew/)

[north oyster]

I think the MOLE is the only true multicrew game play in the verse so far

[obsidian stone]

The Hammerhead might have something to say about that.

[blissful oxide]

Hammerhead, Hurricane, Tonk + Herc, M2, Retaliator
Max/MSR + Rocs
Connie + P-52/72

There is many fun multicrew, but the 3.14 might enhance that more (for combat atleast)

[ebon moon]

This seems low. I used to break 200k-250k on the prospector everytime I went out.

[junior arch]

Consider what was said though. 4-5 people splitting a mole worth of Quant on every run. Full Mole is ~700k-ish/5=125-150 each

But it's a more consistent amount since you have a scout finding you Quant

[thin escarp]

and thats every 25-30 min

[junior arch]

Where you could be out there flying around for 1-2 hours before you find anything in the Prospector

On top of that. Multi-Crew is WAY more fun than solo prospector mining

If you aren't playing this game in multi crew; you are missing out on 80% of the game (IMO)

[ebon moon]

Completely agree with this.

[ebon moon]

Sorry, 200-250k/hr

[potent wind]

Is there a cargo or mining team here then

[oak lake]

Team? Are you perhaps #looking-for-session ?

[north oyster]

this argument against the Prospector as to why the MOLE is better isn't logical. You find what you find regardless of the ship. The Prospector can crack any rock in the verse as a solo. This may change (and probably will) but the new EVA components will level that playing field also.

As to the MOLE being the "true multicrew" is that most every ship over a single seater has turrets... the MOLE is one ship that is built around team play that has an actual game loop process. Having a HH fully manned doesn't offer any more game play than a Hurricane with two players. I just see the mining gameplay loop as more complete than bounties, trade, etc.

Each patch will change most everything about the game but for now, this is pretty accurate statement

[paper pewter]

Im having a hard time finding roid in space, while on surface its easy. Any suggestions? Ive owned the prospector for half a year now.

[obsidian stone]

@paper pewter Try around the refining stations. Not as abundant as planetside mining but close to refining facilities.

[north oyster]

When you drop into the Belt, how are you getting there? I would suggest trying the jump between CRU-L1 to ARC-L3. When you leave out of CRU-L1 towards ARC-L3, Kill the Jump at about 11.5M Km. You will be about dead center of Aaron's Halo.

[oak lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572706150286622720/853392501220835359/Aarons_Halo_CRU-L1_white.png

[north oyster]

Advantage of working out of CRU-L1 is that it offers (and I think it is the only refinery that does offer this) a 3% bonus for Quantainium refining.

[paper pewter]

I have been to Aaron's belt both by counting kilometers as mentioned above and by sight looking at the system map only. It feels like it find it takes 4 pings per roid in space vs one ping on surface.

Yes there is a +3% refining bonus but on a 300k roid thats only 9k. I get the impression that selling where others are selling lowers the price toward 81 uec which is 95% of 85 uec, in other words isnt the sale location and travel time more significant than 3%?

[blissful oxide]

That's precisely why Arc-L1 is the best refinnery imo ^^
It's very close to Arcorp, and so both Lyria and Area 18

Best place to find Quanta > 3% bonus

[paper pewter]

Does anyone else hate space mining and love surface mining? I was around 6.7 M Km from nearest lagrange point.

[obsidian stone]

I'll get back to you on that when the Orion is launched and strip mining is viable.

[north oyster]

I do both but prefer mining in the asteroid belt because it is completely devoid of anyone else. Perfect

[opal yoke]

So, is trading worth anything or can I just expect it to be for the fun of it with like 10k/h profits?

[steady willow]

I never asteroid mine anymore. Too boring.

gimme those VIEWS

[north oyster]

Trade is fubar, nothing worth hauling until the journal reactivates during events like the 9tail lockdown

[opal yoke]

Define fubar, like low profit fubar or like, Ill make more money singing karaoke in port Olisar kinda fubar?

[paper pewter]

Lorville Full

[coarse cape]

f

[junior arch]

My argument was that you will have more people searching = more likely chance of finding something worth mining. It wasn't a Mole > Prospector. As much as it was a Group > Solo. But you are wrong if you think the Prospector can crack "any rock" in the verse. I don't think you'll ever break a 7-8k mass rock with a prospector until they make that possible. But I don't think that's the plan/goal

And good places to Mine Quant: HUR-L3, CRU-L3 and Lyria are our go to places. We do the belt once in a while; but it's much more spread out.

Personally; using the rendering of the Minable rocks on planets has been my go to. EG: Go To Lyria with a crew. Scout/mole fly high enough that all the other stuff (non mine-able debris) disappears. Then you don't even have to scan; look for large groupings and fly down to them.
Filled 95-96/96 of the mole pretty often using this method. As you find multiple 30-49% together

[junior arch]

For trade; it's very unlikely you will find enough of anything to buy to then sell. And if you do; the prices are so inconsistent you might fill a CAT full (spending ~400k as an example) then turn around and sell it and get (~410k) 🙂 so not really worth the time/effort/risk. There are some smaller trade goods in the journal now; those are pretty accurate. But still not as high a quantity to warrant doing it. I've tried every patch they say they "fixed it".

[junior arch]

I want to elaborate on this more. It's not meant to be an attack.

If you have 1 scout. And that scout picks up a delivery mission/share it and bring the 3 boxes with them. That scout can be searching indefinitely (find something drop a box by it and move on) and letting the mole mine/sell/repeat. So they have an endless supply of quant. (Granted the scout knows what they are doing). This would also work for a 2 man crew using a prospector/scout (or 2 prospectors).

But it is more fun (imo) to fill a mole with 4 people and have 1-2 scouts. Nothing against the solo prospector mining; I personally do solo mole mining as I've also filled it to ~96 by myself and that's ~700k to myself after refining... (but not as fun to me)

[trim zinc]

So question, are there any current trade tools that are up to date that are reliable for trade routes etc?

[obsidian stone]

@trim zinc There are tools that are commonly used for trade but the problem is that they are not going to be accurate given the state of the economy at the moment with the current build. We can only hope it improves or achieves a better state in the upcoming patch. here are two references that are commonly used.
https://sc-trade.tools/home
https://www.gallog.co/

[thin escarp]

@junior arch spittin dat truth.

every saturday we send out 3-6 moles and average 800-1200 scu of quant.

and none of that really comes out the belt

[agile palm]

can you see cargo in ships or is that now glitched?
because its not showing up in my freinds c2

[steady willow]

sometimes it happens

it is known

[dire osprey]

Any good cargo runs for a C2 for practice ?

[inner socket]

Run any supplies from a mining station to main cities, port o is spotty but good too and grim as well. Just do some hurston mining location and goto lorville, or mining location on a moon in arccorp and goto a18

[blissful oxide]

Sell at Area18
Sold a one time 4.4M worth of quanta without issue

[glad trench]

Area18 quantanium stock never lets yah down

Same with microtech tbh

Lorville always full

[north oyster]

Ah, ok. Thanks. And YES, the Prospector can and does crack any rock in the verse. I've done 8k rocks. I'm be glad to provide a video sample that was done (not by me, but I used his guide to crack the rocks)

[north oyster]

My apologies, this is an old military term we use to use
fubar = f**ked up beyond all repair.
Trade will be operating on patches until the cargo refactor is done

[blissful oxide]

If you have a video showing someone solo cracking a 8.8k rock, with 50% quants and rest of qwartz
Please show me

[strange cove]

Is there a way to allow some one else to pick up and deliver your refined stuff, I feel like that would be something good to implement for people wanting to do different things

[north oyster]

This is my guide and it works perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLHd3PMuWs

[north oyster]

no, not for awhile. I'm pretty sure when the cargo refactor happens that this could be an option

[blissful oxide]

On that example he's doing it on low value rock
On 8k+ mass with ~50% quant, the bar decrease way too fast to break the rock before it's out of green zone saddly 😦
Work most of the time though, but not for the most valuable rocks :/

[north oyster]

I've cracked 30%+ at 7.8k with this method. Stampede is key when in green zone

I'll just say that every rock I have found, I can crack it and harvest it

You do run out of surge real fast though. I finally dropped lifeline and doubled up on surge

When you miss, the explosion is awesome

[blissful oxide]

gotta retry

[foggy stone]

I just got into belt mining. I’m seeing roids that ping on scanner but when I get to it I just see a rock icon and my scanner won’t read it. Is this common? Are they too big for my prospector? Are they server artifacts?

[north oyster]

Yes, unfortunately. It depends on the server. I would have times that I found no duds then just the other day 8 out of 10 asteroids would be duds.

[foggy stone]

Bummer but thanks. Hate the idea of chasing a series of them, missing out on valid roids

[north oyster]

agreed, but the valid ones you scan leave markers that helps you maintain spacial awareness and direction. I normally set a QT point (usually the L1 that I plan to head back to) so that I have a general direction I keep scanning in

I also do not scan 360, I only scan forward of my ship

I start with lower power scans and work my way up until I get a ping.

also as you approach, do some low power scans (about 10% to 15%) because the large box you saw may have asteroids at different corners of the box

Doing an over power scan completely misses near by targets.

Of course ALL of this is changing in the next patch

[hollow sedge]

Are lagrange points better for quant, compared to Aaron's halo?

[foggy stone]

That’s super helpful! Thanks @north oyster

[north oyster]

I'm not sure there is actually game data that can be pulled that differentiates the ratio between Lagrange points and Aaron's Halo. @crimson mantle would know better about this than me

[hollow sedge]

idk about actual hard data, but general player consensus

[thin escarp]

@north oyster yeah if you are mining trash.

then u can mine 8k.

no ones mining 8k 40%+

unless ina mole.

@foggy stone asteroid mining def has ghost rocks. i can show ya some places though if you are interested.

[north oyster]

Like I said, I've cracked >30% 8K rocks that filled the Prospector using Surge. Not trash rocks, thank you

I'm sure if I find a 50%, that I will be able to crack it also like the 30 and 40 % ones

I've even done it with the Helix and targeting the very small green zone over the nice 40% bonus of the Lancet

[crimson mantle]

Here's the detailed answer: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Spaceship%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Quantainium%2520%2528Raw%2529%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%2522Asteroid%2520field%2522,%2522Lagrangian%2520point%2522%255D,%2522locationTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

[junior arch]

I stand corrected 🙂

Oh hahaha. Thats not quant

You aren’t breaking any quant above 6k. Anything else is useless to me 🙂

But I did say “any rock” so I was wrong technically 🙂 but yea. You won’t have the same results with any of the higher end ores

When I see someone put in a refinery order with every ore they picked up. It’s makes me sad inside.

[north oyster]

I have cracked Quantainium 8k with high percentage

[obsidian stone]

https://tenor.com/view/why-fail-poor-choice-yikes-gif-19205909

[junior arch]

I’d need to see proof. I’ve tried with surges and helix as well as lancet. But you can’t possibly stay in the green zone. You can’t keep surging to green to break it either as it takes too long to get low enough to surge to the right point. But I’ve also talked to many other miners across the org who have done this a long time. And the general consensus is you need at least 2 lasers if you go above 6k for quant % worth mining (30+%)

[thin escarp]

agreed. next time you pull off one of these 8k 40%+ quant breaks record it.

you seem to be the devils advocate type tho.

[north oyster]

Unless they "adjusted" things this patch, I'd been doing it for many months. But I will certainly let you know. It might be a week or two, my chance to play lately has been interrupted by RL far too many times

[thin escarp]

lol there we go. thats what i was waiting for.

[north oyster]

Also, you can't do it without stampede either. And @thin escarp I've got nothing to prove to you, if go you anal then you'll never get anything

[thin escarp]

what. lol

dude I'm a billionaire from mining. I don't need help. I'm here to help others with relevant and factual information.

giving new people hope that they will break 8k thicc ass quant rocks is just bs. because you did it back in 3.12

[junior arch]

I mean. What’s the point too

[thin escarp]

^

[junior arch]

Anything under 6k will fill a prospector

[thin escarp]

^

[junior arch]

Not sure why it’s an argument lol. Newbies shouldn’t be wasting time on anything above 6k with a very specific load out. Which I wouldn’t probably be rolling unless that was my goal

[urban sky]

Is there a more profitable way for cargo other than laranite

[manic whale]

My new workaround for obtaining lost passive modules due to 30K is re-equip them to another Prospector 🙂 , so I can finally let go the wait for reopening Hangar game module, which how it looks like will come back with its reworked form.

[elfin tartan]

Is the argo mole bugged for mining atm

[blissful oxide]

nop, what's your issue ?

[elfin tartan]

nvm think I found out the issue

[blissful oxide]

You couldn't access side turret ? 😄

[elfin tartan]

nah, you guys didnt gift it into my account yet

[crimson mantle]

Laranite is the most profitable commodity, but it almost always out of stock.
So it really depends on your ship. If you have a big one, you can try these routes: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:1000000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:20000,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[urban sky]

I rented a Connie

Did some routes but could never get a full load of laranite

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, you can fill on something else (https://i.imgur.com/OGiEvFW.png) or change route.

[obsidian stone]

Anyone know the latest speculation of what the SCU capacity is for the Taurus?

[manic whale]

168SCU

[obsidian stone]

How strong is your conviction with that number? So, the Railen would be the next progressive step in SCU?

[manic whale]

Saw a reddit post based on the latest SClive video, where you can see the Taurus cargo hold. It looks like base area of 14x4 rows of crates x 3 height.

[manic whale]

yes and until its up you get a Caterpillar as a loaner, which is 70$ more, so if you´re into cargo hauling, I would say you´ll be set.

[obsidian stone]

Just trying to figure out how to haul stuff in the 200 Scu range without hacing to run around in an oversized ship.

[proper star]

any idea where to sell slam?

[manic whale]

I think running cargo exclusively will be always about big volumes, 400SCU+, to be profitable. I have my Taurus planned as a refinery end product carrier, not just cargo money-maker

[obsidian stone]

I am thinking the same thing. I just don't like gaps in my hauling capacity.

[hollow sedge]

titanium in a max is not bad

[manic whale]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:9999,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522SLAM%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

[obsidian stone]

A ship with scalable modular cargo capacity would be perfect.

[proper star]

is this updated? cru l5 was buying 2 unit at a time

[manic whale]

That was not the question 😄 ...I don´t know.

[proper star]

well thanks

[manic whale]

There´s also a Hull-series on roadmap, but not the B-variant, which should be able to land on surface while loaded. I´m looking forward to see, how it´ll be loaded when buying stuff on land stations, what would be the mechanics for the containers just not magically pop-out on the arms when you get back from the terminal 🙂

[crimson mantle]

It's absolutely up to date.
That being said, the economy is global and dynamic already, and there's no way to get that data from the LIVE servers. The website reflects the static game's files.
You can view the refresh rate for everything by checking "Show stock details".

[crimson mantle]

But SLAM is only bought by the handful, it's a terrible commodity to trade 🙂

[proper star]

I see, tested trading first time today, as i see with the wrong item lol

[thin escarp]

Doing a big ole mining operations 10pm est tonight if anyone is interested dm me. Equal cuts for all. No ships needed 🙂

[acoustic rivet]

i thought trading was a waste of time

i heard from someone that u had to risk/invest a lot for small profit

[thin escarp]

trading be sus. thats why i only see refined goods

from mining.

[foggy iron]

Yes you do have to invest a lot to get a reasonable return. As an example, buying 100k aUEC of cargo will give you between 10k & 15k profit. Sometimes you might get 20k. The problem is that any mistake or bug can wipe out that 100k of cargo so it will take another 5-7 successful runs just to get back to where you started. A 30k while mining or bounty hunting only results in lost time.

[paper pewter]

first trade run in 2 weeks, 30k error, 10 seconds after take off 😦

Infantry or Car or Ship mining Davis?

https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-test-refinery-deck-refinery-guide-v3-12.18413/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kgbox6/312_mining_refining_cheat_sheet/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kcgduz/star_citizen_mining_quick_reference_pdf_for_312/

https://starcitizen.fandom.com/wiki/Refinery_Deck

Helix head was rebalanced, Lancet seems to be the new most used mining head. After refinement cargo must be moved by a cargo ship. Refineries will allow you to rent a cargo ship.

[hollow sedge]

what can i do with that?

[thin escarp]

@verbal kraken i can def help ya

it hasnt been nerfd

[bright steeple]

I just spent 4 hours and haven't found a quant rock above 6%.. is anyone else having this issue or am I just having really fd up luck right now?

[coarse cape]

actually mining is pretty good rn if you stack your refinery orders, like a few days ago i stacked about 5 orders from my pros and sold them for about 630k

[thin escarp]

@verbal kraken i get from 500-750k in my mole i can afford to wait. stack my refining orders.

overall i'll win everytime

[blissful oxide]

Where do you find ?

[thin escarp]

@bright steeple where are you going??

[junior arch]

I would be searching on Lyria, Hur-l3, cru-l3

[thin escarp]

Also in about 2 hours i'm gonna be loading up 3-5 moles full of crew if that interests people. equal cuts for all aboard.

[junior arch]

Lyria has become my new love; due to planet mining being a little more fun than space

[thin escarp]

big $$$

lyria beefy

[viscid herald]

Finally got me a Mole, problem is the server has been crashing. If I finally do get a chance to mine and the server crashes, do I lose all my cargo?

[thin escarp]

if you aree out flying

then yes

if you have landed on station and called for landing whatever

then u should be ok

you should totally come to my mining op tonight 10pm est.

you'll make a ton.

[bright steeple]

@thin escarp sorry, got into showing someone around the verse.. I've tried cru-L3 and arc-L3, both of which I've had good luck with...I'm just chalking this up to really bad luck today

[hollow sedge]

So I'm guessing trading isn't fixed yet

[opal yoke]

Nope, still meh.

What would you guys suggest running on a Prospector and for what targets?
I was thinking lancet or Helix?

[blissful oxide]

Mining quanta, go lancet
Else, go helix

[manic whale]

[north oyster]

Interesting, only downside is you need multiple Prospectors (which I do have). So you pull the passive off of the lost Prospector to another ship before you claim it? OK, that might be a nice work around.

[north oyster]

So for a little over 100K aUEC you can have a nice way to earn good coin for a whole month

Can't forget the extra 10 or 15K you need for the Pembroke

[manic whale]

yeah, looks like they swapped it with "3days" rental, cause there´s some outrageous sum

[north oyster]

ah! I missed that

[opal yoke]

So what modules would you guys suggest for Quanta mining in Prospector. I am running Lancet, Surge, Rieger, FLTR

[thin escarp]

@opal yoke lancet. and snag surge and brandt consumables

[opal yoke]

Thank you kindly

[thin escarp]

i only run passives on my mole

[manic whale]

The only difference between S1 head (Prospector) and S2 one (MOLE) are the effective ranges. Besides that its the same equipment, with the same properties, so there´s no reason to not run it with passive modules also.

[thin escarp]

thats not even what i was saying

and unless you wanna be waiting forever to crack quant you will def want surge.

i said i only use passives on my mole because i dont need a jump to break bigger rocks. because i have more lasers

[manic whale]

no

[manic whale]

more lasers=more ppl=profit split. The profit for 1 miner is the same as he would use Prospector himself in the end. But yeah, its definitely more fun to mine in a group 🙂

[thin escarp]

okay ima break it down for ya.

solo prospectors have to be lucky enough to find the rocks. then spend alot longer breaking the quant. without a surge thats even longer. when i take my mole out. im averaging 600k+ every 30 ish minutes. because i use a scout that cuts down on time and makes it more efficient. and generally i dont have every laser full. id rather have a scout and 2 lasers than no scout and a full mole.

so in 2 hrs I'll mine around 2-3.5 million in quant. no prospector solo is touching those numbers. even after split each dude is making more.

weve tested this.

[junior arch]

I would agree with Cross. From my experience. $ per hour is greater when you have a mole crew and scouts. Scouts being key. The more you find faster… the more money you make. One person in a prospector has a lot less chance of finding what they want and/or can even mine.

There has to be a mathematical equation to it. I’ll work something up in the future. Require data points

This is the same for ROC mining. 2 people, 1 pilot dropping off the ROC and searching while they mine. 3 people 1 pilot 1 scout 1 miner. 4 people we run 1 pilot 1 scout 2 miners.

In my experience the more scouts the more profit. And the scouts skill is important obviously. Know how to ping properly and what to look for

For the passive vs usable… I also tend to agree. Passives are low performing utilities. In a mole where you don’t care about the size of the rock or your power output (2 lasers are breaking anything) you really just use them to make it smoother.

In a prospector you need the help from more powerful modules (on use) as you aren’t as likely to be able to break the rocks above 4K without them. Up to 6k (I wouldn’t even attempt anything higher than 6k to avoid wasting time)

With that said, sure you can run passives. But you probably aren’t breaking anything above 4K without a lot of time spent waiting and hoping

[junior arch]

Yes they do

On the other hand with on use modules unfortunately when you use another It cancels out the already running module

[junior arch]

Well; if it's 100% inert; you aren't getting anything out of it. I believe it's based on the inert % itself. EG: 85% Quant with 15% inert; you will see 90% reduction (with 9 FLTR) of inert = 1.5% inert left (98.5% quant)

yep

We currently concentrate more on smoothness of mining > filtering inert

Mainly because we don't hit anything less than 30%

If you get above 30% with a hofsted you will mostly have 90-100% rocks to extract

And we've had plenty of 96/96 runs with Moles with this method

no need to worry about filtering

[manic whale]

I dont need to, but thx. Not disparaging your finding in mining at all, you have your methods, I have mine 🙂

[thin escarp]

@manic whale lmao okay. I'll just be here counting my money.

[proper phoenix]

how much can i earn in mining?

[thin escarp]

@proper phoenix my crew made over 600k each in about 2 hours with minimal work

[proper phoenix]

crew?

[thin escarp]

yeah i had 4 people.

[proper phoenix]

solo mining?

[thin escarp]

a prospector run can net 200k ish give or take if ya know what you are doing and find the juicy stuff

[proper phoenix]

so i need good ship

[thin escarp]

thats after refining.

a prospector is solid for mining. around 2.1 mil once kitted out.

you could use a roc which is 172k at lorville. and then transport it around in a cutty lookin for hadanite

[proper phoenix]

im around 1.4mil and im dreaming about Hornet

[thin escarp]

can make around 200k a hour doing that too. if you dont run into bugs or pirates.

[proper phoenix]

cutty = cutlass

and roc?

[thin escarp]

roc is the land mining buggy

[proper phoenix]

172k buying?

or leasing?

[thin escarp]

buying

[proper phoenix]

if i blew roc up is it part of insurance?

[thin escarp]

you can reclaim it

[proper phoenix]

[thin escarp]

spawn them at mining facilities on planet etc

[proper phoenix]

pepog

should i...

i've got one or two cutlasses

[thin escarp]

172k is a solid investment and you can make that back.

[proper phoenix]

do i need anything else beside Roc?

[thin escarp]

@verbal kraken we dont go mining without scouts anymore.

[proper phoenix]

scout = other player?

[thin escarp]

@proper phoenixa roc and a ship to transport it around to find the rocks.

we do big ops or alot of multicrew mining. so having a scout cuts down on the time each run takes.

which means more money for all ya know

[proper phoenix]

oh so it doesnt matter for solo mining

[thin escarp]

a scout is a player in a fast ship.

solo mining is SOLO

😄

[proper phoenix]

pepog

^ me

[thin escarp]

[proper phoenix]

^ me after spending that 172k

[thin escarp]

always got seats available if yall wanna tag along

[proper phoenix]

Hadanite is it rather rare?

[thin escarp]

@verbal kraken@proper phoenix

pupek i'd go to

[proper phoenix]

im tooo freeeesh

[thin escarp]

arial or aberdeen

nah man we pretty much show everyone the ropes

[proper phoenix]

oh its place where im doing quests pretty often

[thin escarp]

no ones to fresh.

we legit had 5 new people last night we showed them how to mine.

[proper phoenix]

i dont know

im gonna try Roc

can i add you to friends in discord? maybe in future i will ride with ya

[thin escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369

[junior arch]

yeppers

[proper phoenix]

mine now

how do i spawn it i cant find any terminal for it at outpost

why does platinium bay isnt responding to my request for landing?

got it

[safe egret]

can you upgrade rented prosp?

[devout ibex]

are there like any actually viable cargo routes rn?

[coarse cape]

you cant upgrade any rented vehicle from their stock loadout

[north oyster]

No, not really. There will be during the xeno threat and the 9-tails lockdown next patch

Trade will be broke until the cargo refactor

You can haul scrap to PO and processed food to city Admin. Only about 40k round trip in a C2

[north oyster]

Those aUEC for a Prospector rental would be better spent on a Cutlass Black and ROC (and buying Pembroke armor) combo. You can make about 150K to 220K aUEC per run on the ROC.

ROC is so cheap you will be able to buy one on a single run. 10 or 15 runs and you've bought a Prospector

[proven token]

Yes the balance of making money via mining seems to be a mess

[manic whale]

What mess? You either take a ROC+transport or Prospector vs. MOLE for multicrew. Moneywise its +- the same with some pros and cons to each method.

[north oyster]

I would contend that CIG removing the option to mod a rental sort of made the Prospector rental very close to worthless. I don't fault them but I would think they would offer a better OEM laserhead or the option to "pay more for an upgraded rental"

[coarse cape]

Be cool for any renter ship to pay an extra charge for adding components. Would def make a lot of rental ships worth more

[hollow sedge]

Where should I go mining for max Profi

And where do I get my roc out of storage

[foggy iron]

Best hadenite is Aberdeen. Second best Arial.

Pick up ROC from any HDMS

Just make sure you move at least 50km from the outpost before starting to scan or you will get pirated. Preferably day side so laser does not become a beacon to bring them in.

Personally, I would say 70k is a more normal return per trip.

Not saying you cannot earn more but as a beginner it is unlikely.

Plus the longer you stay out trying to fill your space, the more likely you are to lose everything to a bug or mistake 😉

[hollow sedge]

Ok but on what Planet

[blissful oxide]

Best hadenite is Aberdeen. Second best Arial.

[dusk whale]

i had the laser bug out on my ROC 3 times trying to get Hadonite... is there any fix for that other than loging out and back in?

[thin escarp]

yeah rented prospector is trash.

@dusk whale does the laser like work but its not charging the rock?

[dusk whale]

laser doesn't fire at all @thin escarp

even after powering up/down all systems

[thin escarp]

yeahhh

[dusk whale]

i bed logged and it worked after logging back in

[thin escarp]

i'd just claim it on a different system

gotcha

thats a common bug

with rocs.

[dusk whale]

but then it stopped working after it flew to some hadonite heh

[thin escarp]

thats why i gave up roc mining. i just take out the mole.

[dusk whale]

well, i wanted to give it a whirl and eventually got it to work

[thin escarp]

good shit 😄

[dusk whale]

just took for ever

mostly, finding the hadonite

[thin escarp]

aberdeen? or arial

[dusk whale]

aberdeen

[north oyster]

Radar, ping, scan and probe are going to totally change with the next built (or in 3.15, not sure) but scanning for small deposits takes a little extra time to get down pat. More is caught than taught as it relates to finding deposits and not missing them.

Couple things to consider (and you might be doing these already)

1. Go slow (about 50% to 70% of the ship's optimal speed)
2. deposits will only show up when within about 2k (normally 1500 m)
3. small deposits will "hide" in the return of larger deposits
4. you will need to ping at 100% for small deposits
5. I normally hover over a large ore deposit and do a 100% ping to see if I can pickup small gem deposits near the large ore.
6. the small handminable 0.1 deposits normally show up at 400m, not really worth your time

[paper pewter]

Anyone a picture of the three sizes of rocks, infanty/car/prospector or know the masses of each?

[junior arch]

I agree with Tripper. I also go much slower/closer to the ground and do short wave pings more often when looking for Hadanite/ROC minables.

Due to the chance something bigger will "overtake" the smaller one

[hollow sedge]

where is a good place to mine with a ROC?

[dusk whale]

Aberdeen and Arial I believe, higher chance at Hadonite

I think I prefer Prospector mining though

[hollow sedge]

yeah but pros rental is not great

I love the game play with the Pros just can't afford one atm

[opal yoke]

Filled the Prospector with Quantum, 124k ore sell price. Refined for 30k. Just flew to lorville to sell... 134k for the load.
Excuse me?

[quick terrace]

anyone up to mine this with me?

they're too big hshsh

[midnight wharf]

why cant I sell my things

[coarse cape]

first one you can mine with a pros if oyu have surge

@quick terrace

[quick terrace]

I don't :')

[coarse cape]

oh

rip

you could prob mine without it but it'll take a while

[quick terrace]

oh I've got time hshshh

btw

is there a way of debugging off the prospectors seat without backspacing?

[coarse cape]

not that im aware of

[quick terrace]

what was the surge thingy u were talking to me about?

[pallid temple]

It's a mining module that when activated increases the energy level of the rock significantly

[coarse cape]

but as a downside can make the shatterdamage incredibly high

[quick terrace]

where do I buy it?

[coarse cape]

think you can buy it at arc l1 and cru l1 iirc

[regal pier]

iirc, not all places are willing to purchase all the same items, much less at the same prices. Where are you trying to sell? I'd try at the trade center on Area18.

[devout thistle]

Do work orders stay in the refinery for an infinite amount or finite amount of time?

[pallid temple]

They stay there until there's an update