industrial-professions

[worthy scroll]

I love Drake but the Cutty kinda sucks now.

[tepid basin]

I use my MSR for now

[west wyvern]

Are there multiple rocs? Or just one

[worthy scroll]

Two. One is for multicrew.

Needs a second person to use the laser.

[west wyvern]

Okay so my only option is the single got it

I suppose grinding more bounties isn't gonna take too much longer, I can make 400k an hr if I really focus on vhrts

So I believe I'm going freelancer max

[tepid basin]

It's a good boat

Plenty of chunk and not too annoying

[still junco]

can you put the contents of your ROC into the freelancer cargo or whats the reasoning behind this

[tepid basin]

You can put the Roc stuff into a box and place that in the freelancer.

[west wyvern]

Wait

Can you not put items from roc storage into ship storage?

[tepid basin]

@west wyvern Go up to back of Roc and open the cargo hatch. Right click the materials and click store commodities (something like that) and it puts it in a box for you to put on your ship's cargo grid.

Fill ROC back up, repeat.

[west wyvern]

The cargo grid as in the storage scu in the ship? Or will the boxes be boxes that take up space in the place you put the roc

Say I had 100scu of storage capacity, and I put a 10scu worth roc box on the grid, would it take up 10scu in the ships advertised storage

[tepid basin]

@west wyvern Where you drive the Roc up onto and where cargo is stored physically on the ship

Yes, it would

[west wyvern]

Oh I get it now. I'm so sorry for my smooth morning brain

[tepid basin]

No, it's a good question but my question is why would that matter?

Why not directly sell your product after mining?

[west wyvern]

Bigger hauls

Unless I'm doing that quantanium stuff lol

[tepid basin]

You wouldn't sell Quantainium and Hadnite in the same location

and even still, the boxes you pull out are 1 SCU boxes. So to get 10 SCU of boxes, you'd need 10 boxes.

[west wyvern]

Yeah it was just an example, still new to mining, the only mining I've done was hand mining and prospector mining so the roc stuff is a whole new thing to me

Made assumptions based off that

[abstract jewel]

Right now, there's no interface for moving stuff into ship's cargo grid manually. (On the roadmap for Sometime Soon Now...)

But the little ROC cargo box will show up as part of your ship's cargo if you remove it and place it somewhere on the ship.

It's carryable. You can put it wherever you want.

[west wyvern]

Just like the little boxes you might find on a personal mission right?

[abstract jewel]

Yeah.

[west wyvern]

So then freelancer max right now would be very expensive for the same job compared to cuty black

[abstract jewel]

Well, all ships are basically mobile garages when you're ROC mining.

[west wyvern]

Understood. Thanks for teaching my tiny baby brain

[abstract jewel]

Mind you, with the current state of the servers, I'd be more worried about losing the whole load to a 30k than maximizing my haul per trip.

[west wyvern]

I did have a really bad day on Saturday with 8 30ks in the span of about 5 hours, after that it's not been a problem

Though I'm still somewhat worried

[tepid basin]

@west wyvern 30ks are the plague of miners and cargo haulers everywhere

but a cargo hauler can go from 3 mil aUEC to 10,000 aUEC because of a 30k in the blink of an eye.

[west wyvern]

I'm gonna just get the cutty black and probably only mine for 30 mins to an hour at a time

And dump it

[tepid basin]

Yeah. I don't do the boxes thing because of that.

Just a few quick tips.

[west wyvern]

I'd love to do ship mining but that prospector kills me a lot

[tepid basin]

Get away from landing zones/outposts when you ROC mine

do you own a Prospector?

Have you gotten an upgraded laser?

[west wyvern]

Rented

I'm glad I only rented it though, because that ladder really makes me not want it right now

[tepid basin]

Buy to own a prospector if you have a cargo ship to transport the material

I love my prospector buttt.....

Mole is best daddy

I own both 😉

Well. Sorta.

[livid depot]

Is cargo hauling profitable again? Or are the terminals still always full?

[manic whale]

You can crouch after calling the nasty ladder to avoid being killed by it. ...also, if you plan to buy Prospector, I would go for MAX+ROC combo now, which gives you good hauler for Prospectors refined cargo in the future.

[west wyvern]

Maybe sometime after cutty

[regal berry]

320 SCU cargo

[manic whale]

just dont write me that the cargo is outside the ship

[tepid basin]

It's cargo pods on the outside.

Those black triangles.

I was big sad, wanted it for my ROC but can't.

[glad trench]

Wut ship?

[manic whale]

As I like the overall design more than that boeing-ish Hercules, the pods are just calling for being shot at 😄

[abstract jewel]

Well, wouldn't most pirates try to avoid shooting at the loot?

[tepid basin]

The new one

That is displayed

[regal berry]

https://youtu.be/3B3J6AJjBRw

[teal mountain]

Railen

[regal berry]

He goes a lil indepth

Has 2 large shields and is probably fast!

[glad trench]

Where? Also is it that new alien cargo ship

[abstract jewel]

Shiny and new...

[regal berry]

concierge can see. tomorrow the rest i think. and probably also in ISC every minute

[tepid basin]

I might pick one up.

Might.

[regal berry]

cargo getting some alien love

[obsidian stone]

My Precious! RIP my FL Max.

[tepid basin]

@obsidian stone Careful. It can't carry vehicles.

and I can't spell either.

[obsidian stone]

I know. Falling back on my Cutty Black for that.

[tepid basin]

I don't think I will need it. Not interested in ROC mining tbh

I

[abstract jewel]

Modular vehicle pods at some point, maybe?

[obsidian stone]

For me , it closes the cargo cap gap between the Max and C2.

[tepid basin]

I have one now. Replacing my MSR

Should've taken my parts off my MSR but well boo hoo

It's a gap closer between nothing and my BMM

[obsidian stone]

Lol. You could at least get yourself an Aurora CL.

[tepid basin]

Ewwww

[obsidian stone]

I’m using for low volume, high value runs atm.

[tepid basin]

Shit. The non Warbond doesn't come with LTI

Didn't even look >_>

[glad trench]

How much

Is that alien one

[tepid basin]

$225

[glad trench]

Fuck

[tepid basin]

Warbond is $200 with LTI and comes with a skin

[glad trench]

Wonder if it has an interior

[crimson mantle]

It has multiple decks

[tepid basin]

It does

Gonna need to ask support for my buyback token. xD

[glad trench]

Damn

[tepid basin]

Need to get LTI. on it if I am getting it.

[abstract jewel]

It's super pretty on the inside...

[glad trench]

Damn....

That do be nice

[obsidian stone]

My Precious!,

[glad trench]

Wonder if it can fit and roc

[crimson mantle]

External cargo pods = no space for vehicles of any knid

[obsidian stone]

No cargo bay, per se

[tepid basin]

It cannot.

[tepid basin]

Me want. Grabby hands

[abstract jewel]

Cargo is in external pods, and I don't think you can fit a vehicle on that antigrav elevator thingy...

[obsidian stone]

Damnit CIG. Just when I thought I was done filling out my fleet.

[tepid basin]

Forreal

I was hoping to secure another LTI token, too bad you need warbond for that

[coarse cape]

hopefully everyone will be able to buy it during alien week

would be sick

[glad trench]

I'm sure they will

And then get it.in two years when it releases

[coarse cape]

lol

just need a cargo ship and an industrial ship then my fleet is done

would be sick to have this in it

[tepid basin]

My fleet is already....

Nauseating

[coarse cape]

lol

mines pretty boring atm

talon and corsair

[tepid basin]

After support gives me a buyback token or I get impatient and just buy it with $$

https://fltyrd.net/h/danny1144/

[obsidian stone]

CIG needs to start offering therapy in their ship packages.

[coarse cape]

yep

[tepid basin]

Yeah, but you gotta buy their appearance then wait 5 years for them to be made.

[manic whale]

Who really needs another cargo ship? Boeings just got released. As if there wasnt any other work to do for those people resources.

[obsidian stone]

Who needs another ship, period? Nobody asked for another hauler but It’s what we got and I’m taking it. This Alpha doesn’t require more ships. It needs game loops/content, imho.

[steady willow]

I think you mean Northrop Grumman, lol

Eh Boeing fits too it looks like a B-2 had a baby with a Galaxy

[tepid basin]

I mean. I like the C2 but I just can't find myself to care about it. It's too big for ROC mining.

[steady willow]

It's just fun to fly. Handles very well for how big it is.

Fights well, it's tough. I mean, I wouldn't buy one just for ROC mining.

Aside from the hydrogen fuel costs not much reason I'd bring it over my Connie for ROC mining tho

[tepid basin]

I hate overlap. It will really overlap with my BMM

[steady willow]

Shouldn't have upgraded my BMM. Oh well.

[manic whale]

If the ship is already built and meant to be a surprise in alien week for those, who bought/buy it, I get it. If CIG wants just another money, why they didnt push more of those big ships which were sold in 10sec after the shops opened? I feel like we´re building a roof right on the foundations of a house without having the walls (server meshing, icash or whatever its called now)

[tepid basin]

BMM gonna be a god.

When they finally finish it

[manic whale]

you have all kind of ships for all kind of professions and ships which are not fully completed yet but already flyable also. And guess what. Here we give you another ship.

Its like someone saying to me, Iam an idiot and Im just noding my head

[tepid basin]

Yeah, trust me. I get it

[manic whale]

I really wish all of you get the Railen as a surprise just in few days from now, not joking.

[tepid basin]

Alien complete pack is up tho

[rain tundra]

Quick question, I've seen people say to refine quantanium at cru-l1 because it gives a bonus, but is there any one specific place to find quantanium? preferebly in space

[wary gulch]

most of the L3s are good for quanta mining

[spare bridge]

Are there any CCU chains running to get up to the Railen and save a few bucks?

[foggy stone]

For selling refined materials what is everyone’s favorite hauler? Does it depend on what you use to mine (prospector v mole?)

[oak lake]

i mole mine then load up cat but cat is a lot of extra space, cutty black would be more than good enough

[spare bridge]

cutty can't do it, a full load of ore is 96 scu, even after refining that's what? 70ish cargo? cutty only has 46

[worthy scroll]

Is there a bug that makes extracting not work? I can break stuff just fine, but extracting isn't working for some reason.

[abstract jewel]

I get that all the time when ROC mining. Usually just kinda give it a minute and it'll randomly start working on its own?

[worthy scroll]

I landed and powered down, trying that out.

Still nothing.

I wonder if it has something to do with the mining head itself not going into extraction mode when I put it in extraction mode. The animation doesn't happen.

And now it starts working.

[severe cosmos]

I used to ge that alot while ROC mining i would just hit M to shut down the mining mode then restart it and 90% of the time it would start working

[worthy scroll]

I had tried that a few times with no results. I was about to relog and suddenly it worked again.

[severe cosmos]

alot of is dsync i as after you try extracting and it works it takes a good minute to warm up the next rock for breaking that was always how it worked for me lol

[worthy scroll]

Probably just the servers being incredibly laggy again. Now mining isn't working.

[severe cosmos]

yeah had a few Quant rocks blow up on me this morning and this morning due to massive spikes

yesterday morning*

[worthy scroll]

Wow, yeah. Mining started working, broke the rock, and now extracting isn't working again. Geez.

If it's lag, this is the worst I've ever seen it.

[severe cosmos]

lol yeah its gotta be dsync might be able to log out and grab a new server but make sure you store everything wouldn't want to lose what you have

[worthy scroll]

I haven't gained enough to justify trying to save it. Just going to relog.

[severe cosmos]

lol alrighty man good luck

[steady willow]

That happens sometimes with mining ime

[ember star]

I’m considering grabbing a BMM because I no longer have a large cargo ship anymore. Will it take more to crew it than a HULL D?

[dusty pumice]

where can I sell the orb after I refin them?

[abstract jewel]

Any of the major planet cities will buy refined ore.

[tepid basin]

I am tempted to get the new alien hauler........ I keep staring at it like a crackwhore.

[dusty pumice]

am at hurston

[tepid basin]

No you aint

You gotta be in the Central Business District in Lorville on Hurston

[dusty pumice]

Got it

Thanks

[ember star]

I have it. I’m probably going to buy a BMM CCU for it and sit on it

[tepid basin]

I have a BMM but want something a bit smaller

[ember star]

I have the opposite issue. I have a bunch of small haulers but nothing that can carry over 1000

I had a Hull D but melted it for a Polaris

[tepid basin]

I got an Orion. That chunky Boi gonna need support.

[hollow sedge]

I'm having a hard time narrowing the search in the issue council. Before I spend the 5m credits, can anyone confirm that the mole is functional? I know there were a bunch of issues before and they got deleted from a lot of people.

[tepid basin]

I flew mine the other day.

She felt fine.

Anything in particular you're concerned about?

[ember star]

I used one about 3 weeks ago and it was fine

[tepid basin]

She mine. She don't wine. It great time.

[hollow sedge]

Not especially. There were a lot of strange things happening with landing gear, turrets not operating, tables disappearing, etc. Until it was just unable to even spawn anymore.

[ember star]

A lot of ships are having landing gear issues

[tepid basin]

I mean. I haven't extensively used my Mole lately but did encounter the turret issue.

But that fixed itself

Just started flying and after a bit, it worked fine.

We couldn't get in the seat. So he used the other laser.

[tepid basin]

Use P to turn the weapons on and off and that supposedly fixes it.

[hollow sedge]

I'm more than willing to mess with it and get it to work, as long as there is a good chance it will. Many thanks to ya both!

[tepid basin]

If not. Just reboot the entire ship.

[ember star]

Something like the Carrack doesn’t have weapons

[tepid basin]

That reminds me. I gotta get back to my mining charts....

[ember star]

So you’re just screwed hah

[tepid basin]

Yet that is the ship that I learned the trick about from.

[ember star]

So it works?

[tepid basin]

Apparently. I haven't tested myself but multiple offhand accounts confirmed it.

[ember star]

I’ll give it a go next time

[tepid basin]

If not. I just reboot the fucker anyway. Her own damn fault if she teabags the ground like Bill Cosby.

[whole fractal]

Anyone got a good spot for mining

[sand sail]

What's the DL on trading these days? People still moving Laraninte for cash or is there hotter cargo?

[tepid basin]

Trading bad.

[tepid basin]

What are you mining for?

[sand sail]

Yeaaaah I was just looking at some videos about that

[whole fractal]

Quantanium

[sand sail]

So much for moving on to a life without bloodshed.

[tepid basin]

@whole fractal Aaron Halo or Clio

[whole fractal]

Thanks

[terse stream]

So I just got the aurora pack, any suggestions on making money so that I can buy a ship to fly in space to mine?

[abstract jewel]

If you wanna get into mining quickly as a new player, do a handful of easy missions and then go rent a ROC and a Cutlass to take it ground mining, which should only cost like 31k a day. Which you'll make back in the first run easily with a tidy profit to put towards a new ship fund.

[manic whale]

What I posted earlier: theres mostly a certain hierarchy in mining - rent ROC+Cutlass Black 》buy ROC+rent Cutlass》buy Cutlass》buy Prospector》upgrade from Cutlass to Freelancer MAX》buy MOLE》buy Caterpilar. ..if you're OK with bounty hunting, I would suggest to make money for renting Constellation Andromeda. You can go up to VHRTgrouped missions with stock/rented ship equipment.

[abstract jewel]

Also probably wanna pick up a Pembroke or Novikov suit so that you're not always minutes away from dying of exposure while driving around on moons to mine gems.

For seed capital, the Halt Illegal Surveillance missions pay 20k a pop and will get you used to the scanning mechanics you'll need for mining.

Sometimes enemies show up... but most of the time, you don't even have to bother fighting them.

[hollow sedge]

anyone wanna chat and just mine

[balmy knot]

what is more profitable in a cutlass... trade routes or illegal monitoring?

the monitoring guarantees 20k, but trade can provide up to 27k per jump between Walla and Lyria

[delicate girder]

I miss-remembered what refinery I used to refine some ore. Is there a way I can figure it out in game without going to every refinery and checking?

[edgy lynx]

a messag i show if work order is finnish at ur connexion

[delicate girder]

Where is the TDD in Area 18?

[balmy knot]

Wow... just lost 500k to a 30k... thanks SC

screw trade routes

[manic whale]

nobody cares, you are in alpha testing. Harsh statement maybe, but true.

[steady willow]

trading is gambling rn

which is a shame, but that's how it is

you wanna make safe money, go bounty hunting

that's called IRONY

i think maybe

[balmy knot]

BH is tough when you don't have the cash saved up for doing the VHRT

Flying around in a Cutlass isn't going to cut it. Back to Illegal Transmissions

[balmy knot]

You're right, no one does care. SC is basically a BH fest atm until things stabilize

[delicate girder]

BHing in a Cutlass is actually pretty good I think.

I just successfully mined, refined, hauled and sold the refined stuff. In this game that deserves a metal!

[spring sentinel]

especially for your server xD

[steady willow]

You can BH well in a Cutlass, but you'll probably wanna team up for the crazy VHRT stuff yeah

But I mean, 48 S1 Sparks or Arrows or whatever ain't bad

I dunno, I haven't flown one since like 2018

[delicate girder]

The profit for all the hours of work for that whole mining, refining and hauling didn't ad up to one decent ERT BH.

[balmy knot]

What are the chances of finding my Cutlass floating in space with all the cargo inside after a 30k?

[spring sentinel]

small

but during ILW i had a c2 respawn with 600 SCU of Gold

[balmy knot]

oh... nice

here is hoping i get that same luck

[spring sentinel]

still lost the cargo though

landed in not loaded hangar, turned out I landed under hangar

[delicate girder]

And all the other times you'd fall thought the floor with no problem except when you would want to.

[balmy knot]

Funny, I can see the cargo when I go to 'Sell', but it keeps giving me a 'Service Error' when I try to actually transact it

[west wyvern]

I feel like I'm a bit stupid, where is the fuel Guage in the roc?

[torpid mesa]

are they patching for alein day or whatever

was mining just got a disconnect and now i cant launch the game at all?

[west wyvern]

Oh God ok alright just sold my entire haul and it was worth 120k

And the Graycat was only like 20% full

[lavish monolith]

Doesn't have one

[lavish monolith]

Is it the ROC Ds? Otherwise this is impossible

[tepid basin]

Probabbly

[whole fractal]

Are greycats worth buying if u don’t have enough for a prospector?

The roc specifically

[oak lake]

roc is cheap af and can do good mining

[whole fractal]

Cool thank you

Is it like able to mine quantanium?

[oak lake]

Good question, someone else should be able to answer that. I think so though

[obsidian stone]

I feel it’s a worthwhile investment provided you have a ship capable of hauling it around.

[whole fractal]

I’m trying to get a cutlass black first

So I can haul it around

I’ve been renting prospectors but have had no luck yet

I think I need to get some other people to mine with me so I can get better quantanium, a base prospector really struggles with mining even basic quantanium rocks

[dusk gazelle]

I'm about to dive into the mining biz today for the first time, bought a ROC with the work my Cutlass Black did.

[whole fractal]

Nice

[coarse cape]

No, it’s made to mine small rocks that appear with a diamond shape when scanned

[whole fractal]

Thanks

[coarse cape]

iirc they have a mass of like under 1k

[obsidian stone]

ROCs do well with Hadanite

[whole fractal]

I’m gonna mine in my rented prospector again today

I just need to find some buddies to help me out

[coarse cape]

Try the roc out and go for hadanite rocks

You can net 220k on a full load

And you don’t have to refine

[whole fractal]

Sweet I’ll do that

I need to buy the roc first

[coarse cape]

If you go to Arial, Aberdeen, or Daymar they should have some roc minables if you scan

[whole fractal]

Alright

[coarse cape]

Just make sure you’re pretty damn low and not going super fast. Like try to stay below 110m/s

[whole fractal]

I’ll go get quantanium to buy the roc and then I’ll go mining

[coarse cape]

You can rent it iirc

And the cutlass to carry it

[whole fractal]

Ik I can but I have the prospector rented out already today and I might as well use it

[obsidian stone]

In all honesty, by design, quantanium is harder to mine and requires some experience with lesser rocks.

[coarse cape]

Yeah

[whole fractal]

Yea

And it’s highly competitive

[coarse cape]

Plus stock prospector with no consumables is going to struggle with most quant rocks

[whole fractal]

That’s why I need to find some friends to help me out today, if I got a second prospector with me we won’t struggle as much

[coarse cape]

Might need like 3 or 4 with the stock laser lmao

You do you though

[obsidian stone]

Mining quantanium with a stock build and no consumables, lag will also make things much harder.

[obsidian stone]

I would take you up on that if I were in front of my rig.

[whole fractal]

I’m not either I’m going later today

[obsidian stone]

Keep me in mind. I might be on later as well.

[whole fractal]

I would hope the other person isn’t using a stock laser

[whole fractal]

Lemme send u a friend request

[coarse cape]

I would offer to join but I’m on vacation and my laptop can’t handle sc

[whole fractal]

That’s cool

[coarse cape]

But in a day or two I’ll be back home

[whole fractal]

Enjoy the vacation

[coarse cape]

Thanks lol

[steady willow]

so if i have a prospector and a c2 what should i be doing with them now

what are the cool kids doing these days

[worthy scroll]

Park your C2 where you refine. Mine, refine, put in C2, fly away and sell.

[steady willow]

VERY GOOD SIR that's about what i anticipated

[blissful oxide]

A C2 fully loaded with quanta is worth more than 5M

[steady willow]

that's a lot of pressure

[manic whale]

thats why "is worth more than 5M" , cause it can cost your mind 😄

[worthy scroll]

I haven't had the nerve to try quanta again since my first experience with it. Granted I was running blind in the refinery trying to find the terminal.

[hazy sand]

hello

[tepid basin]

So thing about ship mining you can either sell the Ore Raw or Refine it and sell the refined ore

[hazy sand]

Can it make decent money?

[tepid basin]

You need a way to transport the refined ore and sell it. A prospector and mole cannot do that. Refining takes time and will require you to have an extra ship to transport your refined material

[hazy sand]

Oh

[tepid basin]

Quantainium Mining is the most profitable thing in the game. Selling it raw is... Less than ideal cause refined material sells for double it's unrefined counterpart

I have some charts available to help you understand. They aren't finished but I plan to finish it tonight

[hazy sand]

Sure I love charts

[hazy sand]

How would I refine the ore after mining it raw?

[green sundial]

go to a lagrange point station and head to the refinery

[hazy sand]

So if I get the prospector, how would I go about refining and selling?

[tepid basin]

What other ship you have?

[hazy sand]

My only ship is the 300i

[tepid basin]

Soooo you unless you wanna make 3+ trips to Lorville. Either Sell raw or buy a Cutty Black first.

Or rent a ship for cargo hauling

[hazy sand]

Is the cutty black great for cargo transport? Maybe I should do cargo first and grind some money that way?

[jolly bronze]

The thing with refining is that the jobs stay there long terms

[tepid basin]

Errrr.... Sooo.... Cargo is crap atm. like too much risk, too little reward.

[jolly bronze]

So overall it doesn't actually take that long

[hazy sand]

Can I grind enough money with the 300i?

[jolly bronze]

Go mine, then put it in the refinery

[steady willow]

What's the best drive to use on the Prospector?

Industrial? Military?

[jolly bronze]

Then go off an mine again

[tepid basin]

@steady willow Atlas.

@jolly bronze Nope you are too far ahead here

He has a 300i and wants a prospector.

[jolly bronze]

Easily. Bounty hunting is the best way to make money right now and the 300i can do that handily

[tepid basin]

He needs to be able to transport that refined material.

That is true. Bounties is great in the 300i

[hazy sand]

Any specific thing I should upgrade or change first on the 300i to make it better for bounties?

[jolly bronze]

You can rent a transport ship, and it's not that much at the end of the day if you sell all your jobs at the end of the week and rent for 24h

[jolly bronze]

Looking at the default loadouts, first thing I'd upgrade is the shields, either 2 fr-66s or 1 fr-66 and 1 palisade

[tepid basin]

I did mention that.

[hazy sand]

Awesome thank you

[jolly bronze]

The default weapons are okay, but I'd lose the cannon and the ballistics as ballistics need reloads and cannons tend to be more trouble than they're worth for me

[manic whale]

Your main "mission" after landing on station with refinery is to store the ship. The cargo is safe after that.

[steady willow]

I think meta for high BH is like, 1 big distortion scattergun, 2 smaller attritions for the 300/vanguard series

[hazy sand]

Which weapon would you suggest as the "main" trigger weapon

[steady willow]

but i don't have a 300 so idk lol

[hazy sand]

That fires continuously if I hold down the trigger

[jolly bronze]

CF-337

On all 3

Set them up as one group

[steady willow]

https://www.erkul.games/loadout/8OXYxaAQ

[hazy sand]

I can fire (3) laser weapons at once?

[steady willow]

here's what i'd do personally

[jolly bronze]

Yeah, but attritions and scatterguns are hard to use, for a new player basic laser repeaters are much nicer

[steady willow]

attritions aren't hard to use, fire in bursts

they overheat for a second or two, nbd

[jolly bronze]

I wouldn't use attritions until you're on VHRT or ERT bounties

[steady willow]

nah attritions are great and fun

but cf lasers are also fine i just love attritions

[jolly bronze]

Yeah, but staying within their envelope is quite hard

[winged verge]

I’m trying to figure out the best ships for selling refined ores in the city. Anyone have some good recommendations?

[hazy sand]

How much would a build like this run me?

[tepid basin]

Y'all are all over the place. Hot diggity.

[steady willow]

i dunno the 300i is agile he should have an easy time of it

[jolly bronze]

If you're a new pilot it's hard

[tepid basin]

Click the Add Non Stock to Cart button beneath the pic of the ship

[steady willow]

3600 for the 3 attritions, about 40k for both fr shields but just one is still a huge upgradew

[jolly bronze]

About 110000 for the whole thing

[steady willow]

you don't need the powerplant unless you're overclocking the shields probably

[hazy sand]

wow

[jolly bronze]

But you can grab things piecemeal

[steady willow]

^

[jolly bronze]

and that's not much at all once you're on higher bounties

[steady willow]

you'll be fine for the lower level bounty missions trust me

[hazy sand]

Ok I think I will upgrade to laser repeaters and my shields first to begin with

[jolly bronze]

Stock is fine to begin with

[steady willow]

get one fr shield for the faster regen, get better guns (cfs or attritions, pick whatever you like)

[hazy sand]

I see there's 3 laser repeaters, is it possible to fire all 3 at once?

[steady willow]

if you use attritions, overclock them and try to keep them almost overheated and stay close

yes, fire all 3 at once

weapon groups are basically only for special loadouts or special weapons

it's not mechwarrior lol

[jolly bronze]

Keep in mind the attritions linked have some major drawbacks. They do more max DPS but they deal that damage when hot and have massive dropoff. If you're more than 600m away or don't keep them hot, the panther is better

[hazy sand]

Just one panther?

[jolly bronze]

No, all 3

[jolly bronze]

You can set weapons groups on the weapons MFD page

[tepid basin]

Yes

[winged verge]

I’m trying to figure out the best ships for selling my refined ore solo. Any suggestions or favorites? I’m considering : freelancer max, caterpillar, Mercury star runner and railen. I want to feel protected and avoid pirates.

[coarse cape]

Railen might be good just depends on what stats it’s going to get

[winged verge]

Yeah looks nice, I’m afraid it will be easy to spot it and hit it due to it’s size tho

[coarse cape]

Prob will but iirc it had large shields

[outer glade]

So what's the consensus on the new ship yay or neigh

[spare bridge]

As it stands, it's a tough cargo hauler with a nice interior and a decent amount of cargo, it's not the most efficient hauler, will probably never be meta. We'll have to see the range of the QT drive and its scm and afterburner speeds to get a fuller picture, but I imagine it as a tougher hauler than the Cat at least for Pyro runs.

[steady willow]

use it to sell DRUGS

[coarse cape]

Hopefully it releases soon since they got most of it done

[delicate girder]

Question: Favorite ROC mining locations? I've tried to make this work a couple times and can't find many rocks before my session crashes.

[coarse cape]

Back in 3.11 I went to Arial a lot

[delicate girder]

Any good suggestions to keep your ROC and it's booty until a sell? I'm assuming that one suggestion is to logout in the bed often with the ROC inside?

[worthy scroll]

I'll keep that in mind.

[delicate girder]

Can't get my mining arm on the ROC mining arm to pitch up/down/right/left. Where is that in the binds?

[coarse cape]

Toggle it on them off

[delicate girder]

What? You mean turn mining on with the M key? I did.

[coarse cape]

Yeah meant that

Usually works, you could try powering it off then on or getting in and out of the seat

[abstract jewel]

Is the ROC actually driveable?

Cuz you can blow out the cooler and end up with a fairly nonfunctional vehicle.

[delicate girder]

It's drivable. Everything seems to be working but I can get the arm to move.

[coarse cape]

^

[abstract jewel]

In terms of the actual keybinds, I wonder if the mining arm doesn't use turret controls. Can't test that at the moment...

[delicate girder]

I'm looking into the turret thing right now.

Can someone send me a pic of the part of thier binds which should control the arm? I'll compare.

Just found this. Where is that vJoy stuff CIG is talking about?

The paragraph was a change is 3.12.

[torpid mesa]

anyone looking to do some mining?

[balmy knot]

Do the places that buy 'Illegal Cargo' change?

I'm not able to sell SLAM anywhere... tried CRU-L4, CRU-L5 and Hurston 'Reclamation'... no one is buying it

[crimson mantle]

It doesn't change but they only buy so much 😦
Drugs in particular are only sold by the pocketful

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/SLAM

[balmy knot]

yea, I used that site, but CRU-L4 and L5 won't buy any of it

[crimson mantle]

You may have to wait for their demand to replenish

[balmy knot]

ah

[crimson mantle]

If you see the commodity in the terminal but can't sell there, you have to wait unfortunetly

[balmy knot]

ah ok, thanks!

[crimson mantle]

Next time you can try a refresh rate filter so you don't buy low-inventory items: https://i.imgur.com/3XNgXCy.png

[balmy knot]

hm... how does that work? Because i was trying to run the Laranite route between Wala and Lyria, but they didn't have the amounts available to make the route profitable

[worthy scroll]

I wish there was some kind of visual for these trespassing zones on the moons. I'm just poking along, then suddenly it says I'm trespassing. So I do a hard 180 and hit the afterburner, and it keeps saying I'm trespassing and will be prosecuted, with the zone apparently never ending. Only way I've found to get out of it is to vertical and hit orbit.

[balmy knot]

Is there a way to know the 'demand' at a particular location?

According to the site, the demand comes back every... 20 mins?

[worthy scroll]

Hmm, my mining modules disappeared. That stinks.

[steady willow]

Yeah, I really wish there was a visual indicator so I didn't have to abruptly stop my 1000ms burn through the atmosphere or risk JAIL

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-adventuretime-time-million-years-gif-5669545

[worthy scroll]

I'm just creeping along at scm and turn around as soon as I get the warning, but it's like the zone suddenly lasts to infinity in the direction I had come from.

[crimson mantle]

Right, even laranite at 2k/min is very low supplied. Depending on your ship, you might have to look at 50k+ refresh rates to make sure. It's all a game of chance nowadays :/

[delicate girder]

I bought two ROCs because I keep getting the "Not able to access that ship and this time." message. Wish I could figure out how to have that not constantly happen.

May have to buy three of them.

[oak lake]

I'm not sure having more than one should fix that

[paper night]

So, can the Mustang Alpha do courier/delivery missions?

[delicate girder]

I agree, but it does.

Damn, damn, damn! Sometimes I can move the mining arm in the rock and sometimes I can't! There's a setting about vjoy that I swear helped my problem with this before, but now it's not!

[reef narwhal]

There was a bug where this would happen, so you had to try spawn it from a different moon

Also when the mining arm isn't responsive you may be in Armistice

Also hello Biggun brother

[delicate girder]

Yes, that's still a bug and that is a fix. So is having another ROC.

[delicate girder]

LOL

[reef narwhal]

I find after mining with the ROC it's better to destroy it rather than store it either on a pad or in your ship once you're done. The not able to access bug seems to not happen as much that way

[delicate girder]

So F ing frustrating!!!! I can't move the mining arm again!!!!!

[paper night]

Sometimes what I do is go to hte power settings and move the arm and laser up in the priority list

[delicate girder]

@paper nightwere you having a problem getting the mining arm to work at all?

[paper night]

Yea, I've had times where the arm just sits there deployed

[delicate girder]

It will deploy the and undeploy just fine.

It will fire just fine.

[paper night]

Between turning the thing on and off again a bunch of times, disabling and reenabling the arm, and messing with the power priorities, it eventually responded

[delicate girder]

It just will not point in the right direction.

[manic whale]

yes, its called buypiscesortitan

[reef narwhal]

Yeah that's about all you can do. Turn it all off, get out, get back in, turn it all on etc etc

[paper night]

That means no :p

[delicate girder]

What does open cargo bay do in the ROC?

[reef narwhal]

opens your rear cargo bay

[delicate girder]

Does that need to be open to such gems in?

Bet not.

[paper night]

No

You need to open it if you wanna get stuff out by hand for wahtever reason

Or put stuff in it

[delicate girder]

Las time a tried this I could move my mining arm but when I came time to suck it wouldn't suck.

[paper night]

That is also sometimes a server issue

As before, I just restarted the vehicle, turned on and off the arm, set the power priorities, etc

And it eventually succs

[reef narwhal]

yeah sometimes extracting takes a good minute...and you have to keep the arm perfectly still the entire time

[delicate girder]

I did it for ten minutes staight from every angle and distance.

But, as I said, now I'm back to not even getting the mining arm to point right.

Oh, I have a clue now. When in the ROC now I can't even position my mouse to one of the MFDs. It won't turn to it.

[paper night]

Sounds like might be part of it.

[reef narwhal]

maybe just head to another server

[delicate girder]

That's always the solution around here. Must be the server. It usually isn't for me lately.

What's the MVG_pitch_up and MVG_pitch_down stuff? I tryed mapping that and it didn't seem to help.

The arm start working for no reason!!!! WTF!!!!

[reef narwhal]

yeah..lol. bugs

[delicate girder]

If you finally mine some is it a good idea to get in the bed and logout?

[paper night]

I'd sell it before logging out

Also probs best to not log out in a bed in your ship, is a bug that'll get you trapped there sometimes

[reef narwhal]

yeah avoid bed log out like the plague

[delicate girder]

I can sell at the mining place on the planet right?

[paper night]

Uhhh, don't think so

The best place is the stations orbiting the planets like Everus Harbor, etc

[reef narwhal]

yeah you can

[paper night]

At their Admin area

Oh, cool

[reef narwhal]

for Hadenite etc.

same place you spawned your ROC but look for the building with the orange lights

[coarse cape]

Don’t recommend bed logging on planet surface. Will usually make you fall though the floor

That or your roc says bye and despawns randomly

[delicate girder]

Mother Fjkflsking Bullshit! Should have tried logging out. Went to the mining facility and right into the admin and 30k!!!!!

CIG if you're listening You Suuuuuck!!!!!

They're not I know!

They after it 30ks, for me it always goes into an endless fake I'm reloading the game for you screen!

Almost always have to kill the app and restart it.

The only thing you can do in this game is bounty hunt! Nothing else actually works, it just intentionally wastes you time!

[manic whale]

its not a game

[coarse cape]

Welcome to servers

They can’t exactly stop 30ks in this point of development until maybe sever meshing and icache are fully in

[edgy lynx]

even with full tech enable , a serv could still crash. just we wont lose anything

[delicate girder]

That's the line that came with the Kooliad. Any line that sounds like we can't expect a half way stable game (after 8 years and nearly 400 million) because ... is Kooliad talk! 😉

[signal sundial]

If I get the company pack, I get the reclaimer, orion, starfarrer, starliner and crucible. I want a merchant man, but do not really want to spend much more then that on ships. If you were to decide which to get rid of, the starfarrer or the starliner which would you get rid of and why?

[delicate girder]

Anyone know if you logout in a ship whether you'll have the contents of you ROC when you get back?

Or maybe I should store my roc to save the contents like you can do with a ship?

I now gotten 30k ed twice tonight by going out mining new a mining settlement then bringing it back to the settlement and trying to sell!!!!!!!!!!!

I really need to know the right way to do this without getting fucked at the last minute!!!!!

This time it was six whole rocks of hadenite!

[manic whale]

If you´re worried being 30Ked, mine enough to fill your backpack and transfer the rocks in there to have at least something if the server crash kicks in. Or just mine 1/2 of the cargo space and go sell. If you store the transport ship with ROC in it and logoff, it should be there ready for the next mining session. I dont know if the rocks would stay there also, but there´s nothing easier to try it yourself. Just pick anything, dolvine..

..oh, I misread - logout in a ship isnt currently recommended! ...and what would you achieve by that? You would login in the ship on another (maybe same) server and before you get to the shop, 30k could be there again 🙂

[delicate girder]

I'm about to find out of the contents of the ROC stays. I really like the backpack idea! I'll try that if it's there.

Looka like you loose the cargo in the roc.

[manic whale]

yup

[delicate girder]

I just wanted to fully try this so I can eventually say from the authority of knowing that mining is or is not viable in this release. I've done the ship mining and it is, without a doubt useless right now. I'm leaning toward ROC mining being mostly useless also, but I'll try some more within a day or so. If it proves to be useless also, then bounty hunting is truly the only game play CIG has made viable in 8 years. That's very sad if true!

[coarse cape]

Yeah def, we just don’t have to worry about how severe they are

[manic whale]

if you´re using "useless"= less profitable, then yes, mining and cargo hauling is useless right now against doing pew-pew bounties. And its not sad. You are in test environment, not in released game, you´re here to stress the system and report the bugs. You cant demand all the functions to be working, cause you spent money for the game, cause its not a game yet.

[coarse cape]

Cargo is really only dead because of the new shop inventory thing they did in 3.12 iirc

[delicate girder]

No. I'm really defining useless as game play state not being saved.
Server crashes are fine but the losing of game play progress is something that everyone has been surprised to see when the start playing for many years. It criminal that more development focus hasn't been given the saving of game state. All of the talk about server messing is a blinded by science type of smoke screen at this point. They could have done it long ago if they gave a crap.

[manic whale]

...and Im pretty sure, that everyone of us agreed with that somewhere in the "conditions and rules"

[delicate girder]

You're focusing on the money. I'm not.

[coarse cape]

You do know you sign stuff when you get the game about being an alpha tester

And it’s stated many many times about this game being buggy. So honestly it’s not worth complaining about game loops being temporarily gone. You should be happy you can play the game

[manic whale]

mining, cargo, bounties IS about getting aUEC, money 🙂 and if you write its useless = you are not getting enough money that you like to have

[coarse cape]

Yep

Also they’re going to lower the cash input for bounties at some point anyways

[delicate girder]

Alpha shalpha! Nearly 400 million and 8 years. I'm talking about progress to be proud of and progress to be ashamed of. CIG is more guilty of the later I'm afriad.

[coarse cape]

Output*

[coarse cape]

Yes, but you do realize they’ve had to make their own tech to make the damn game right.

And stated before they put stuff in print when you got the game about it being an alpha test state and things may or may not work as intended

[delicate girder]

Sounds like the same kooliad talk I've heard for years. Any you do reallized that every one who every says "and you do realize" is being silly.

😉

[coarse cape]

Mhm

Ok well I’ll just let you have your opinion and that

[delicate girder]

Saying "you do realize" if a typical patronizing comment too many people use which tries to belittle the other person into agreeng. It makes me laugh every time I see it.

Not trying to belittle you by say that. Just pointing it out.

[coarse cape]

Cool

^

[delicate girder]

CIG is at the top of money spent and almost at the top of time spent (lacking a couple years now). GTA is the one that still hold the crown for time but took only 250 million as I recall.

CIG has received many times more crowd funding than all other crowd funding which has ever been done combined.

If they don't get done soon all other game tech will surpass them at their own tech game. Other games have the equivalent of FOIP and do it better. Other games have way way way better AI. Other games are surpassing in many ways soon.

Right on! I only say these things because I wish CIG to succeed.

Space game are my thing! I'm Tripple Elite in Elite Dangerous three plus times and I play NMS, X4 and other older ones.

[coarse cape]

You also got to remember cig had to make their own engine and tech to make this game plus star marine, arena commander, pu, ptu, hangars, and sq42

So I don’t see how it’s fair to compare it to games like gta

And crowd funding doesn’t determine game release lol

[delicate girder]

Every game company of any size eventually has to do that in order to get a competitive edge. CIG just states that to blind everyone with science.

[coarse cape]

Mhm

And how do you know that?

[delicate girder]

Frontier (the makers of Elite Dangerous) have thier own game engine. Hello Games (the makers of NMS) have their own game engine etc.

[coarse cape]

Yeah but they’re not on the same level as what star citizen currently is.

[delicate girder]

And I'm an old time (small time) game developer myself.

They are on the same level, just in other ways.

For instance Frontier focused on other things such as a more realistic universe physics than has ever been done even in the renowned "Space Engine".

Hello Games has pushed farther than any other game maker in many ways too.

Hello games has pushed the procedural game development (which Frontier originally poularized back in the 80s) farther than any other developer by far.

They're also responsible for pushing voxel games back into a new renaissance.

[manic whale]

...I´ve deleted my OTs. #industrial-professions , pls

[delicate girder]

Yeah I digress. Sorry

[blissful oxide]

Well, it's not only about game engine
They would need enormous time to create univers, features, etc..

Frontier tried to create feature and get out of alpha faster than SC
But now they have issue where the base is bad, and where it's really hard to add anything (see Odyssey, and how they struggle)

NMS has issue about multiplayer aspect (I mean, even coop is horrible, both from tech and design), dunno if they ever will be able to "fix" that, or if they even want to

UE looks great, but has always been very bad for persistance/scale
Maybe it will be different in version 5, I personally don't think so

SC want to do everything, it will takes time, like a lot
No other game/studio can achieve that, cause it needs money and time, but, a fucking lot
If it wasn't with crowfunding, SC would never be alive

I mean, the ambition of SC is a terrible loss financially. Who would build a game for 15-20 years, with an enormous team, that only a niche will buy ^^

[sharp tinsel]

well. that niche already spend over 300 million bucks right?

as a old wing commander, starlancer,freelancer fan this alpha is already my childhood dream

if there is enough content via sandbox and community driven after release in 4 years or so: damn. this game will get me hooked forever

[blissful oxide]

Same, but will we redo the same for another game ?

[ancient ivy]

Hopefully this game will provide enough content that we don’t worry about the next game in the future as we will be too busy playing this. With its foundations technically would you ever need to build another, just constantly expand upon this one surely?

[glad trench]

There wudnt ever be a sequel

It's a mmo rpg

Those don't have sequels basically

Especially modern ones

And with the time it takes to build

It absolutely will not be in Chris Roberts lifetime

Or some of ours

[ancient ivy]

Yeah but a lot do create expansions etc. I always wonder if they should focus on a smaller amount of gameplay loops than they have planned and to release the game sooner say in 5 years and then bring the others in later on to help progress quicker.

[coarse cape]

anyone know if its intentional to lose sub components for mining when you have to claim your ship

cuz its hella annoying having to rebuy all my sub components after the game decides i need to reclaim my ship when i get to another station

[abstract jewel]

Dunno about "intentional", but that's the way it's currently implemented, yeah.

[coarse cape]

ah mk

[north oyster]

Yes, you lose everything except the laser head. That's why I stopped using passive components.

I buy 10 or 20 of the surge, etc and just use those

[tulip wing]

anyone wanna teach me how to trade or mine?

[warm marten]

Where can I land on planets to pick up hauls of cargo?

[regal sedge]

Trades consoles

Chubin stations

HDMS stations

On moons

Mining facilities

[north oyster]

Trade is pretty much dead at this time. Mining has some nice options however the rental Prospector is garbage. I would recommend renting a ROC and Cutlass Black AND buy the Pembroke armor set. Go to Aberdeen or Arial and mine hadanite. ROC will get you about 200K aUEC per load.

[tulip wing]

Nice

Thanks for that

[north oyster]

After one or two runs you can then go buy the ROC for 172K at New Deal.

I would buy the Freelancer MAX after that instead of the city to transport the ROC

Then buy the Prospector after that

[rugged stump]

Why i trading dead?

[steady willow]

Risk

Disconnections aren't handled correctly rn

You're supposed to just appear back in your ship floating in space with your cargo all intact, but instead you respawn at the last station you landed at and have to claim your ship, which doesn't insure the cargo even though it's supposed to

So if you get disconnected, your whole investment's gone

Trading is fine if the server is stable but that's chancy at best

With mining, you only lose your time and whatever ores you were hauling. With bounty hunting, you only lose time if the server dies or you do. So, trading isn't very practical right now.

It still works, it's just more trouble than it's worth compared to other options

[rugged stump]

And what is the pembroke suit for?

[north oyster]

High Heat environments

[north oyster]

There is a complete disconnect between the supply and demand of all trade commodities in the game. I have a Hercules C2, you can't fill it (not even close). This goes for CAT, Carrack and all other cargo ships in the 'verse. Trade will be mostly dead until the "cargo refactor" a year from now. Until then, CIG will enable a "special" trade log when events like the upcoming NineTails Lockdown happens. In the Journal a special entry will show demand and surplus that players will be able to access. Much like what happened at Invictus Launch Week

[north oyster]

If you have any questions, be sure to post them here, tag me or DM me and I will be glad to help.

[weary idol]

NineTails Lockdown? (Noob is asking)

[north oyster]

This will be a system wide event where a gang of rouge outlaws will blockade stations (maybe Port Olisar) and we will need to battle them and also bring in supplies

The blockade will include Quantum Travel cancelling so you will have to charge in from a fair ways out

[weary idol]

Thx for your quick response

[knotty pond]

Anyone down to mine in prospectors, starting at Cru L1 now, headed to the belt.

[weary idol]

Sounds cool and interesting.
Due to the fact that there are so many CIG, SC, whatever Pages...
What is a good source (official or community made) to constantly follow those informations?

I mean: discord, reddit, spectrum, youtube
That is so overwhelming much input 🤯

[north oyster]

This discord is a good source for quick questions and discussion. Because each patch changes things, YT vids will give you a basic understanding but you will find that hours of trial and error in the seat is how you will master it.

[north oyster]

Here is a good guide to get you into Aaron's Halo from CRU-L1

My route is to aim for ARC-L3 and kill the QT around 11.5M km

[crisp bobcat]

Whats the best place to sell refined quantanium from CRU-L1

[glad trench]

Two questions

Refined quantanium is not on a timer aye?

And can you just keep refining or does your order expire; like is there a time limit to get your order once its done?

[crisp bobcat]

No time limit that I know of

I am about to find out anyways. Currently it stays in the refiner. @glad trench

[glad trench]

epic

[crisp bobcat]

Only issue I have seen is some people saying if there is a patch it deletes all completed work orders. Depends on the patch though

[coarse cape]

once refined quant is stable. and you can have an infinite number of refinery orders afaik until a patch update hits

[lofty wagon]

What is the max mass and resistance you can crack in a prospector with a helix head?

[glad trench]

Based

I wish we cud but like a place to store cargo that we don't want to transport right away

[steady willow]

C2 Hercules vs Merchantman - wild speculation go

[worthy scroll]

I can't get any quantanium rocks to break anymore. Tried the helix and lancet, all it does is blip up a little, then back down to zero, never goes very high at all.

[steady willow]

I wonder how the Merchantman will work as a "solo" ship with the NPC shops and all that

[lofty wagon]

I am having the same issue and it was not happening a few days ago.

[worthy scroll]

Most I've seen progression go up is maybe 10%, then it drops back down to nothing.

[dawn elbow]

Hi

I'm new to the game and getting started with mining

I'm trying to refill my limpet but having trouble finding the right menu

is it supposed to be this one that appears as unavailable?

[worthy scroll]

Probably because you're in the wrong game.

[dawn elbow]

😵 🤣 🤣

[lofty wagon]

yup that sounds like what is happening to me.

[worthy scroll]

Couldn't say, I've never mined in Elite.

[dawn elbow]

Thanks anyway

I didn't realize I was on r/starcitizen

[worthy scroll]

All good. I'm about to head back that direction myself, SC just isn't playing nice lately. At least not well enough to justify the time.

Probably tried mining for 4-5 hours today and didn't get a single rock cracked because stuff just isn't working.

[steady willow]

off topic but not all space stations offer all services, that station probably either doesn't sell limpets or you don't have enough rep with that faction for them to offer you that service

[mortal kettle]

go to starport services, and look for advanced restock i think

How do I EVA and then go back into MOLE without dying?
elevator kills me

[violet horizon]

What’s best trade running in a cat now days

[manic whale]

sadly, something like this and its just theoretical, from calculator, havent tried it. Tried Titanium yesterday and could not fill Cat. So I just added whatever was available and was gone to Area18. I dont know what was the profit in the end, I´ve done that 1 run and was back on mining 🙂 Thats the situation right now.

[coarse cape]

y'all think this is ok for a cat or no

like is this route ok or should i try somethin else

[manic whale]

you can try and report back 🙂 ...I dont think the Laranite will be there

[rugged stump]

Doing cargo is a nighmare, tried chainen delivery missions, just to chill and explore while earning a buck, server crashes, lost it, died from my ship ramp, lost it, helmet randomly unequiped (or there is a button i don’t know about) and suffocated, played like, basically played an evening and earned nothing xD

[mild pumice]

I bought a random load of E'tam for 370k and ended up just cutting losses on it, 2 hours trying to sell at Grim Hex (9 units sold) and the Scrapyard on Hurston (150 units sold) sold then rest for about 90k to CRU L4 just to get rid and back to bounty hunting...

[pliant matrix]

never buy big quantity of vice. it's hard to sell actually and price go down very fast

[mild pumice]

Yeah I've learned that now lol. If it's trading in such small amounts it's fine but they need to add a) risk b) margin that makes it worth while

[rugged stump]

I don’t think any risk is lacking, before you know the disconnect you hahaha

[manic whale]

God of 30Ks, just dont pls... 🙏

[pliant matrix]

🤣

[manic whale]

mommy is safely home 😬 ..I don´t know why I like this suicidal b-word

[pliant matrix]

how many scu already for starfarer?

[manic whale]

..we´re just 2ppl on the server and Area18 feels still like on free-fly 😄

[manic whale]

291, I was transporting something around 250

[pliant matrix]

nice!

[mild pumice]

@manic whale what did you make on that run?

[rugged stump]

Is the prospector a good ship to rent to start making some money?

[mild pumice]

@rugged stump personally I'd rent a cutty black and ROC

Prospector doesn't carry much and with refinery time I think you won't make much more than the hire cost back

[rugged stump]

Cutty is my startership, i did rent a eoc yesterday but i only managed to make 100k in like 3 to 4 hours

[mild pumice]

I think put 4x GT220 gatling and go bounty hunting you'll make 100k/hr easy. But if you want to try mining give it a go in the prospector

[hollow sedge]

So I have no idea how to mine or what to mine, but I want to get started and I have a question.

When I fill up my ship and I'm ready to go unload, do I need to be going somewhere specific for maximum profit or just anywhere with a refinery?

[manic whale]

it was refined cargo of last week work. Almost stupid profit for such a long gameplay time, 1.mil 😄 , I´m such a drama queen 😄 ...mix of rocks, not only Quant.,Bexalite,Laranite, but the cheap ones also. ...but Im now over the hardcore grind, just having fun playing 😉

[hollow sedge]

Also don't wanna use the prospector. Just wanna use my cutty black unless I can't

[rugged stump]

Depends on what you mined

I think

[mild pumice]

@manic whale that's still a nice chunk of creds, see why you were praying to the 30k gods

@hollow sedge can only use the cutty to surface mine with a ROC

If you want to mine in space you need a dedicated mining ship

[hollow sedge]

@mild pumice what is a ROC?

Could I just mine by hand or is that not feasible?

[rugged stump]

A mining car

[hollow sedge]

Ahhh okay..

[rugged stump]

You can rent it for 4000 a day

[hollow sedge]

Having a lot of trouble figuring out what I need to be doing in my cutlass

[rugged stump]

Scanning

And loading the roc in and transporting it

[hollow sedge]

So you first scan the surface of the planet to see where the ore is, yeah?

[rugged stump]

Yes

If you find the ore you want, you land the cutty, drive out the ROC and go mine it with the ROC

roc mines rocks that are too large to mine by hand

[hollow sedge]

Okay. Thank you.

[rugged stump]

Ships mine rocks that are too large to mine by the ROC

I’m a starter as well so i’m not sure but i think i’m correct

[hollow sedge]

Guess I just need to find a place where I can spawn ground vehicle. Haven't found one yet but haven't looked either.

[rugged stump]

On outposts on planets

[hollow sedge]

Gotcha. That also where I can rent it?

[mild pumice]

Rent it from a refinery deck

[hollow sedge]

Okay. Got it.

[mild pumice]

Daymar is a good place to mine, gonto one of the mining outpost to request the vehicle, fly away and bit and scan (tab to open scanner) you're looking for the diamond symbols for rocks you can mine

Hadanite is what you're looking for

[manic whale]

nah, in my hardcore days I first ROCd to the Sentinel and from there made 55mil. on bounties only with the help of various ships. I´m done with it. ...so 1mil. is not so much in current gameplay options.

[hollow sedge]

@mild pumice took a screenshot. Thank you bro.

[rugged stump]

Are there mission that make you enter ships and kill pirats on foot?

[chrome cloak]

One, yes

From near microtech

Called “boarding in progress”

[rugged stump]

Does that earn good?

[manic whale]

Its 45k for 20kills + 2destroyed enemy ships

[jolly bronze]

You don't need to have the prospector when it refines. You can chuck all your jobs into the refinery and then transport them once the rental is up

[jolly bronze]

Time/money wise, no. You can get far better aUEC/Hour bounty hunting

[flat herald]

is the reliant a good substitute for a cutlass if I want to go mining

as a beginner

ahh shoot nvm

the ROC doesnt fit :(

[crimson mantle]

The smallest ship the ROC fits in is the back of the nomad

[flat herald]

was hoping for a 2 crew ship

guess its freelancer or cutlass then

[crimson mantle]

Then cutlass or freelancer max 🙂

[flat herald]

can the max carry more than 1 ROC?

[crimson mantle]

Haven't tested that myself, but could be. I'm sure someone has tried on youtube 😄

[flat herald]

ooh looks big enough

[crimson mantle]

Looks like a very comfortable fit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4odR_sg_qRQ

[flat herald]

great!

thanks

[crimson mantle]

2.1M in game 😄
https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/ShipShops1/6c6e9731-3d70-4f1b-84c2-9dbf3c1f97c7

[flat herald]

i was thinking about renting it

[flat herald]

oh wait nvm you cant

[ancient ivy]

No you can’t rent the freelancer max in game. If you just want to rent a ship to go ROC mining I’d advise renting the cutlass black

You can get two ROCs in a cutlass black

[tacit delta]

Is ROC mining profitable

because when I tried it, finding the gemstones it can cut is just horrible experience

[steady willow]

So if you and a friend wanna go Roc mining, can I like...bring a few in one ship? How would that work?

[jolly bronze]

Depends on the exact ship. It's exactly the same as regular ROC mining apart from you need something big enough to store two ROCs

[ancient ivy]

It can be yes. It’s abit of a knack getting good and quick with the scanning etc. You need to fly very close to the surface as the range that the 💎 are picked up is a lot shorter than the rocks are. so if your flying too high then your going to struggle. try looking for hadanite on Aberdeen

[tacit delta]

Cutlass black holds 2, but if the pilot is one of the driver, the pilot's need to enter first

[ancient ivy]

A full ROC makes 220k

[tacit delta]

How close usually?

does the scan power matter

[ancient ivy]

Have a ship that’s big enough and drive multiple ROCS into it

[tacit delta]

I was told that gemstones require low scanning power, but that doesn't seem to make sense

[ancient ivy]

People say that so that your not picking all the rocks up miles away and chasing your tail after them.

Id do a couple clicks in on your scroll wheel not right in which will change it from 360 scanning to just directional in front of you not right in. And then fly very close to the surface. I run a mining corporation I would come and mine with you and happily teach you but am at work currently.

[tacit delta]

Oh now that makes sense

[steady willow]

Is it true that I'd get ownership of all minerals brought onto the ship from everyone's Roc(s)? If that's true I guess the owner can just venmo people, but it's a bit sad

[ancient ivy]

No currently whoever’s ROC it is can sell it themselves to the station.

I took two new corporation members roc mining last night and they both handed it in at the end and earned their money

[civic ocean]

Are commodity price alerts synced between servers?

[blissful oxide]

Yup, all trading system actually

[pallid temple]

...No

Its an outpost

[ancient ivy]

Go to HDMS Anderson on Aberdeen off of Hurston of your ROC mining

That’s the best place for Hadanite which is the most valuable rock you can mine

[torpid mesa]

thats daymar and thats all hadanite

and thats about 45 seconds old the picture

hahaha

[glad trench]

bro

u lucky fucker lol

14

wow

that could be like

180k right there

[torpid mesa]

ya unfortunately i was fly the prospector and nobody wanted the location

hahaha

usually someone will buy it in the side chat for 20 k

i see those all the time ....

...when i dont have my roc anyways hahah

[steady willow]

I like the Herc so much I might be a little sad when the BMM comes out and I no longer have the C2 loaner.

I wish cargo hauling worked better. I'm legitimately using the fucking thing to do group VHRTs lol

It's basically a big daddy freelancer

[north oyster]

Loving my C2 but I consider Trade pretty much DEAD until the cargo refactor and Quanta is brought online. Not totally dead because during events we will have the Journal entries to give us some cargo runs. So we shall see.

[glad trench]

when is cargo refractor supposed to come out ?

[steady willow]

Yeah, I haven't used it to trade a single thing 😦 Too risky, and the investment is too damn high.

[north oyster]

There are some low risk but, albeit, low return runs that I have been doing just for activity. Scrap from TDD/CBD to the DMZ of Port Olisar, then hop over Celin to one of the farms to pick up processed food. You'll make about 45K between the two runs. I do it just for exercise and getting my little Starlifter out of the hanger.

[north oyster]

It is on the roadmap but the comment was "lots and lots of planning because this will touch every aspect of the game"

I don't see it this year and probably after it goes Alpha 4.x

[steady willow]

That's fun. I've considered doing low-risk trade runs when I'm moving between locations or refueling just to cover costs, but the time it takes to look up commodities makes it too inconvenient to be worth it lol

[north oyster]

The Journal does offer a "little" help here because it list Overstock of processed foods on several moon outpost. The scrap is a hit or miss. You can buy scrap both at the Admin and the TDD. Sometimes I only get about half a load, but I run with it anyway. Once I unload at PO (recommend overclocking your shields, when you land, turn off ONLY the engines, run in a stow. -- note, when you spawn your ship again to leave it will be on with shields up but you will need to overclock them again).

You sell the Food at the Admin of Area18, Lorville or NB and they will buy all of it.

[steady willow]

PO doesn't really stress me out, lol, except for the people who try to finagle you into CSing yourself

I think the shields stay overclocked if the ship never despawns but I might need to check that

[north oyster]

If you stow it, they do. The thing is that the time for ATC is now only a few seconds. By time you run in to the Admin terminal, sell and start running back they announce they are going to stow the ship. So I stow it first thing then recall it when heading back out the door.

[steady willow]

Ah, right, makes sense. I forgot about that since I've only really been bounty hunting

[tacit delta]

What's the Scrap and Waste stuff you can buy in MIC-L1?

My friend bought one Waste in an attempt to troubleshoot his cargo and he can't get rid of it ever since

[north oyster]

I've never bought Waste, But according to SC Trade Tools, it shows you can sell it in the refinement center (like at MIC-L1, not the Admin). If this doesn't work then I would suggest that they claim their ship at another station. Scrap has a value (very small, but it does have one). Scrap can yield about 20K in a full Herc C2. Port Olisar is the ONLY place really buying scrap at the moment.

[tacit delta]

It's not a joke item?

[crimson mantle]

It's a poor trader item 🙂

[tacit delta]

Speaking of poor trader, I see there's a "cargo" variant of Aurora but it only holds 6 scu. I mean what could that be for?

6 scu doesn't seem like it can get you off the ground

[obsidian stone]

To start out in trading?

[tacit delta]

the fuel costs seem to overrun whatever profit you can get

[little ether]

Certainly for totally legal commodities for the legally handicapped.

[north oyster]

Only good for pizza deliveries

Or vice

[north oyster]

I can see hauling "Waste" as a tier 0 for reputation for Trader's guild when that eventually comes online.

Waste would make more sense when tied into Quanta and associated with reputation for building trust and leveling with guild play. Otherwise it really doesn't have any usefulness in the verse

It would make more sense if they Paid you to take it and then you Paid a center to offload it to them. aka "reverse trade" style

[jolly bronze]

Well smaller vehicles like that probably aren't going to be doing much in the way of hauling, but things like the courier contracts we have now. Small scale delivery, last mile stuff, or potentially low volume high value cargo

It's the space equivalent of a delivery van, not a bulk hauler

[blissful oxide]

Could be for some small but high risk cargo too
Like, you won't ever do drugs with a C2

Like we don't move drugs with airliner irl 😄

[teal wing]

Call them pharmaceuticals, problem solved

[flat herald]

If Im gonna go ROC mining what are the places to check out?

[blissful oxide]

Arial/Aberdeen

[little ether]

Is quantainium mining still good?

[north oyster]

Like Globy said but also be sure to have the Pembroke armor

[flat herald]

is there anywhere I can go if I dont have the armor

[north oyster]

Yes, with the right refinery it'll bring good coin

[north oyster]

You really limit yourself without it because Aberdeen and Arial are the best for hadanite

Microtech north pole is not too cold with heavy armor

[glad trench]

What's everyone's favorite consumables for the Lancet? For thiccc hard to break /unstable quantum rocks

[little ether]

As far as doing it with the rental prospector is concerned.

[north oyster]

Surge is most certainly needed, then the options from there vary. Stampede is one to consider

[north oyster]

Not sure the Arbor laserhead can do it, but it does have one slot that you can add a Surge to which would help. I wouldn't get a rental Prospector but rather spend those funds on a Cutlass Black/ROC/Pembroke Armor rental setup and then earn enough to get your own Prospector

[steady willow]

HELIX + SURGE GO

[north oyster]

Helix is the best laser but the Lancet gives that 40% increase strike zone for quan harvesting. Hard to beat that

[glossy peak]

whats a good config for a mole if mining solo?

[steady willow]

don't use a mole for that, use a prospector

[glossy peak]

its mainly for when my friends arent on, and i dont have a prospector rn

[sage kernel]

so whats the best high price cargo run these days that you can actually fillup on?

[crimson mantle]

Titanium, if lucky
https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C2%2520Hercules%2522,%2522investment%2522:2000000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:3001%257D

[north oyster]

That doesn't exist at this time. In the C2 I run full load scrap to PO. Then go to Gallate on Celin to get a full load of Processed Food. That loop pays about 45K

[steady willow]

First I take my Hercules C2 out, and then I use it to kill VHRT bounties

[coarse cape]

does anyone got a good spot to mine quant? been having trouble finding any

[tacit delta]

Where is the north pole of microtech?

[stable gazelle]

I've been mining lots on Lyria, jump to any site on the light side and head to areas with mountains

[blazing ravine]

Would anyone recommend hiring a cargo vessel to sell refined goods or is it best to just sell unrefined. I have a prospector and am unsure whether that would be worth my time?

[stable gazelle]

full Prospector load of refined quant is about 250k so think its worth it

[blazing ravine]

thats all the convincing i needed lmao ty

[stable gazelle]

you can rent a cutty for a day which can carry the refined

[north oyster]

Drop from Orbital Marker OM-1. It will take about 4 minutes to reach the surface. Pro-tip: it is always daylight there

[north oyster]

You take a 60% cut in profit when you still raw over refined. Don't mine anything under agricium. If not in a rush, pick the slowest, high yield for cheapest cost.

I'd recommend getting a MAX to have on hand to haul jobs to market. Also makes the best ROC transport

[tacit delta]

you need to load the entire thing in one go, so if you mined too hard, you'll end up with nothing because your cargo space isn't enough

if you don't have something like cutlass black or whatever medium freighter, sell them raw so you can get some money

better than paying for the refinement and getting nothing

[blazing ravine]

awesome cheers for the advice

[acoustic garnet]

IS anyone doing mining atm?

[lunar marsh]

Someone any tips for mining and finding quantanium? I was looking for 10 hours around Lyra in the “motherland” after watching a YouTube video but not a single quant stone.

[acoustic garnet]

no idea i seek that knowledge as well

[lunar marsh]

Feels like taking everything above Agricium and refining it is faster than looking hours after quantanium

[acoustic garnet]

more than likely yes

but Quantanium needs the best mining drills

even with a Mole i need the level 2 drills

[lunar marsh]

I have the Helix 1, but I think I’m gonna stick around Crusader only, Yela and deymar is nice

Made more with ROC mining 1 hour than I did today in 5 hours haha

[acoustic garnet]

this belt of rock belt is where i mine

@lunar marsh

[lunar marsh]

What ore you mostly aiming for?

[acoustic garnet]

I aim for densities of 70% or better for as little dirt as possible and i stay away from any/ all agricium

i prefer 100% pure substances but that is a long mine time

[lunar marsh]

I tried to focus on Larenite and above but as said. Idk what’s better, faster runs with lower value or longer runs with only high value

Found this online earlier

[acoustic garnet]

the issue with that is Time over Profits

[lunar marsh]

That’s the refined prices tho I believe

[acoustic garnet]

the more trips i make = more profits even if it is only 40K loads at times

if i am really picky i dont take anything below Tungston and that makes good proffit

if i have a full Mole crew i aim for Copper on up

if i have the solo mining Tungsten on up

[lunar marsh]

Exactly, I made 60k each 30min unrefined, more worth than “maybe” getting quantanium

[lunar marsh]

I only take agricium and up

[acoustic garnet]

if you can quantum cancel in time this is the best area to mine for the shortest trips if you sell at ArcCorp

i find mine claim jumping isnt good fields to mine in

[lunar marsh]

Maybe I’ve done it wrong but I always had more luck with planet mining on Yela and Deymar, and then jump to CRU L1

[acoustic garnet]

well do you have Planetary or Space mining ships

i can join you @lunar marsh and tell you all i have learned to try and help you

[lunar marsh]

Prospector

[acoustic garnet]

and we can take out my Mole

[lunar marsh]

Taking a break right now after all that failed mining 🥲 but thanks for the offer, would love to try the mole in the future

[acoustic garnet]

this is the mole i have

@lunar marsh

I am however looking for people to Mine with right now

[north oyster]

One of my favorite charts to help you get to Aaron's Halo. Kudos to the author whoever it is. From CRU-L1 because it has the 3% Quantainium refinery bonus

Quickest is kill QT travel at 11.5M Km from ARC-L3 and you'll be right in the middle

The chart can be a little confusing when you fist look at it, so let me clarify a little. Let's use CRU-L1 to ARC-L3 as an example.

The Chart marks both sides of Aaron's Halo. It's width depends upon the angle where you are traveling through the asteroid belt is.

When you leave CRU-L1 heading to ARC-L3, it's about 22M Km away. As you get to the first edge of Aaron's Halo, your distance from ARC-L3 will be 12.7M Km away. When you are 10.2M Km away from ARC-L3, you have passed completely through the asteroid belt.

That why I mentioned killing your Quantum Jump at roughly 11.5M Km away from ARC-L3. That puts you about in the middle of the belt. The Belt is about 2.5M Km side at this point.

vngd.net are the authors of the charts. They have a distance chart for each of the refinery stations

[stable gazelle]

i mine Lyria and find lots of 7 - 8 rock groups of Quant. I also saw the motherland vid, but just jump to anywhere on light side and head to areas with mountains, didn't have much luck with motherland either...

[lunar marsh]

Awesome thanks gonna try it next time

[topaz marsh]

You guys thing i could mine a 6k mass rock solo in a prospector?

[storm ridge]

I mean you can mine it, but probably not collect it all

[topaz marsh]

alright

ill prob be able to get all the quant at least

[north oyster]

Not in a rental, right? But you can mine up to 8K rocks with the right combo of consumables. I've yet to find a rock I can't crack.

[topaz marsh]

Not a rental and alright

[unreal jetty]

How do I do big cargo missions?

[crimson mantle]

There are no big cargo missions, only freelance commodity trading

[unreal jetty]

Ok

[acoustic garnet]

anyone want to join me in Mining?

i also posed in LGF fyi

[topaz marsh]

When mining quantanium if i break the rock and some of the red bar is full do i lose some quantanium?

Because from the calculator im using im getting a lot less than it shows

[crimson mantle]

No, but the chunks may fly away/under the ground

[topaz marsh]

Ok

[acoustic garnet]

actually yes you do loose some the explosion of the ore will case some chunks to despawn depending on the size of the explosion

unless it was recently changed

but i have completely lost ore due to it

[topaz marsh]

Ok so ill start trying to better break the rock with less red lol

[crimson mantle]

Oh well TIL!

[coarse cape]

anyone else lose mining heads when your ship explodes randomly?

just happened and lost my helix

[fathom silo]

Mining Vs trading.. which is more profitable? 😊

[coarse cape]

mining imo

[ancient ivy]

Currently mining by far.

[topaz marsh]

How do i sell my qunatanium i refined it and put it in my cutty now what?

[crimson mantle]

You head there 😄
https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522itemName%2522:%2522Quantainium%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:1,%2522showDetails%2522:true%257D

[topaz marsh]

Alright thanks

[crimson mantle]

The TDD is not the planet admin, make sure you go to the correct console

[coarse cape]

what do y'all recommend for cracking quant rocks above 7k mass with a prospector?

had to get a smaller one and got like 11 scu from it

[glad trench]

Surge also damn that's a big quantum rock

[ancient ivy]

depends on the amount of quantanium in it. we regularly find up to 8k planet side on microtechs moons... but alot can be at like 11 percent quant only a few are like 26- 45 percenters

[tulip shuttle]

Hi guys, i am pretty new to mining and i love it. I have a Argo Mole and looking for couple of cool/patient people to come along. let me knowe

know*

[oak lake]

Make sure to post in #looking-for-session

[tulip shuttle]

yeah im new here didnt see it until after

[urban sky]

Should I buy the cutlass or the prospect first

[whole socket]

well, you'll need a ship with cargo capacity, if you hope to sell the minerals you've mined with a prospector then refined at a station

[north oyster]

You can rent a cutty, so I'd get a Prospector first. You can stack many jobs, with the cutty you will need to make more runs. I would suggest buying a MAX after the Prospector. The MAX has 120 SCU and can carry plenty of refinery jobs and also makes one of the best ROC transports in game.

The Rental Prospector is pretty close to worthless. It will teach you the ins and outs but will not be much of a money maker. Best to rent a Cutty/ROC combo if you're going to spend the money.

[urban sky]

I already own a roc

[glad trench]

damn not a single good quant rock on micro moons for me today

[topaz marsh]

how much roughly is a full prospector of quant worth? (refined with dinyx)

[hollow sedge]

does anyone know wheres the best place to do roc mining?

[urban sky]

Each Aberdeen is my go to but you need an enviro suit

[hollow sedge]

can i use the pembroke armor?

[glad trench]

around 300k give or take

if u luck out with fast quantanium spawns u can do 300k every 15-20 minutes in the prospector

[topaz marsh]

Sweeeeet

[glad trench]

i however; have not lucked out at all in the last 10 hours

this morning i got a 40 scu quant rock in 10 minutes

and then nothing for the rest of the day pre much

[topaz marsh]

oh

[glad trench]

i normally do luck out

but today has been terrible for me regarding finding above 30% quantanium rocks

[topaz marsh]

Yea today ive only been fining <5% lol

found 3 chunks of 7+ and they were all shit

[glad trench]

i found 3 60s earlier all chilling together, wished i had a mole for it lol

[topaz marsh]

Nice lmao

[glad trench]

but apart form those, ive had nothin all day

[stable gazelle]

This was just after i jumped to the Orphanage marker and about 5 mins of searching on Lyria, all the 7+ spawns are quant rocks and this had a couple of 30% ones. Didn't manage to take advantage as the game crashed, but they are out there

[hollow sedge]

if i were to rent a prospector to do quantanium mining, can i change the mining head to put the modules?

[jolly bronze]

No

[hollow sedge]

damn that sucks

[ancient ivy]

Yeah renting a prospector isn’t really worth it. Grind bounties or ROC mining to get your 2mill and buy one

[foggy stone]

I’m so close to getting one in game. If I didn’t have to use my ROC mining to instead also do the extraction portion I’d had filled my roc on a run earlier today. I can’t seem to get out there without massive issues

[steady willow]

How much faster is the Prospector than the ROC? I owned one before the ROC came out, so I kind of missed the boat.

I bought a ROC to try it out but haven't gotten around to it basically

[coarse cape]

well with the roc your limited to one ore while in prospector you can do many,

plus you have to sell roc ore raw

[steady willow]

that's so sad

does the roc have a higher value per unit, though?

[glad trench]

u can sell prospector ore raw too

hadanite from the roc makes more per unit

but u also dont get as many compared to prospector ores

The prospector makes VASTLY more money then an ROC

[wheat solar]

Used to be able to do it in the hangar. They fix that?

[blissful oxide]

And a Mole even more 😄

[glad trench]

ehhhhhhh moles hard to use solo

amazing tho if u get a fat quantum rock

[blissful oxide]

yeah

[north oyster]

Not really because the game play is really different between the two. If you look at what you can earn Per Trip, then the ROC wins hands down. If you look how much you can earn the quickest, the ROC wins.
Now if you look at a focused process of mining with the Prospector aiming for Quantainium, picking the best refinery, picking the best refinery job then taking a week or so to stack multiple jobs to fill a CAT or C2, the you get a very sweet payout (4, 5 or more million aUEC in that run). BUT to say the Prospector is "VASTLY" more money isn't accurate. Because in that week or so of stacking refinery jobs, you can have made 10 or 20 ROC trips which is about 2M to 4M of aUEC also.

I enjoy both game loops of mining, it allows switching up and also both pay really well

[north oyster]

yeah, they effectively cut off all methods to make the rental worth anything. The fact you can't do changes in the field is a serious flaw in the game (imo).

[blissful oxide]

Even per run the Mole/Prosp is more profitable
With a mole you can get 300k to 900k in one run

And a run take ~20-30m
While a run in Roc take usually way more time, and will do ~280k

Though, using ground vehicule is very cool

[north oyster]

MOLE wasn't a consideration nor the ROC-DS. Each unto their own, I was just pointing out that "Time and Income" portion. The Prospector 100% full of Quan with best refinery method will get you about 260 to 290K. You say "20 to 30 minutes" but that is not cash in hand UNLESS you sell Raw (60% loss). You need to add time to refine, time to deliver & sell. In those hours of waiting, a ROC miner can making turns. Even if, worst case, an hour per turn that still 200K per hour. The income from both the Propsector and the ROC are pretty close in $/hr. The nice bonus is making to to market for one nice fat check.