#industrial-professions

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spare bridge
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I've heard trading is kinda borked this patch, so hopefully you can sell it

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I think they said no one's buying anything

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but haven't tried for myself

hollow sedge
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yea

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got bored of BH thought id try sth new

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but it looks like ill have to wait a bit

spare bridge
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2 steps forward, 1 step back with CIG

ebon moon
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I'm not sure, but you may be able to sell at PO or NB or whatnot. I had to keep my fully stocked cat a few days when I made a similar mistake in order to keep the demand. Made a shit ton of money, but I had to keep my Cat in port in order to not lose all that $$ to a 30k.

patent flower
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What is the most profitable cargo for a caterpillar? Some of these trading sites are outdated it seems

hollow sedge
hollow sedge
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not too bothered tho it was just a test run, albeit an expensive one

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we learn

fair fog
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Star Citizen doesn't have EVE-Online API

patent flower
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Ahhh, damn, remember when sites were accurate is all

woeful moss
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Well supposedly a trade alert is coming

crimson mantle
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@patent flower
@hollow sedge
I keep SC Trade Tools updated, if you want to take a look 🙂 The problem is that the economy is dynamic and the inventory levels are quite low during popular play hours 😢
Unfortunately it means that no one can have precisely LIVE data. Details here: https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq

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I'm excited about that trade alert too though! There's a faint possibility it will be usable by external sites, maybe.

hollow sedge
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oooh okay i see

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thank you for your service then

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glad to know that the website is updated

patent flower
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You're a legend mate

lean solar
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whats the best trade route for money and high risk?

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Also, why cant i sell my agricium at PO when gallog says they are buying

versed forge
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They might have overstock

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And they will stop purchasing it.

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Economy is live and will change dynamically

versed forge
lean solar
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that website doesnt work

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@versed forge so say this, does that mean i can go back and fourth continually?

unknown.png
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or will it stock out

versed forge
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I believe you can click that "Best circular route" to find a circular route.

lean solar
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so what does the /200min do

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or mean

versed forge
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It says it takes 5 minutes and 25 seconds to quantum between those two locations

crimson mantle
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Alright, so the routes with a yellow outline, like the one you posted, have a high chance of being out of stock/shop full when trying to sell.

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The "refresh rate" (+X/min bit), reflects the rate at which inventory replenishes, according to the data files.
In reality it may be slower than that, but a bigger number is better.

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200 is very low and will most likely be full most of the time/only accept a handful of units.

lean solar
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so say this is best?

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crimson mantle
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FeaturedSpace got it right 🙂

versed forge
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Sweet :D

crimson mantle
north oyster
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So PO not only place for scrap?

crimson mantle
lean solar
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@crimson mantleso how come the bigger number is better?

versed forge
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@lean solar better chance it's in stock

lean solar
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wait does min mean minutes?

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or minimum

versed forge
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minimum

crimson mantle
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*minutes

versed forge
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oh?

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Oh it's just right next to the word maximum

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I would expand that on the interface haha

crimson mantle
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Fair point
Max 500 000 units + 2 000/min means that the inventory is 500k units when full. When not full, it replenishes at a rate of 2k/minute

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At least according to the data files.

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The actual refreshing in the game servers seem to be a little wonky, but bigger is better.

lean solar
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so when its full, it will still replenish after 2k mins?

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and also, what happens if its full? Do i just go elsewhere and sell?

crimson mantle
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When you buy: there is a maximum stockpile the shop will have. When not full (someone bought some items already), the items return slowly.

When selling: the shop only has total capacity to buy a given amount. When not empty, the items in it will disappear (and make more room) at a given rate.

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If it's full, you can either wait to sell later, or go somewhere else, yes 🙂

lean solar
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so what are the chances that the non yellow outlined routes are not over stocked?

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Like is it within a percentage?

crimson mantle
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Well, the yellow is just a little formula I put in there to warn people about the very likely possibility of a wait time.

That being said, all shops, especially the popular ones, can be sold out at any given point. There's no way for me to tell 😦

lean solar
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so this is very much a gamble

crimson mantle
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(This is all unofficial stuff. I do my best with the data files info, but the live servers have a dynamic economy, so I can't know for sure)

lean solar
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its just that im buying a c2 hercules soon, and i dont wanna lose out on like 200k worth of cargo xD

crimson mantle
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It's safe to assume that trading will improve in the future. No guarantee when or how though.

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But it should be a viable career. Right now it's not the best it's been though.

crimson mantle
versed forge
crimson mantle
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You lose it all.

versed forge
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A time too many that's happened.

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To some poor soul..

crimson mantle
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I dream of the way we'll be able to safely cut a multi-leg run across different play sessions and not fear 30Ks, but we're not quite there yet.

versed forge
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100%

smoky remnant
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Are Arial spawns still broken?

lean solar
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@crimson mantle seems that that route was full

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yeah i might not do cargo

crimson mantle
ebon moon
smoky remnant
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What ore's should I be looking out for with prospector just quantanium or are there others?

proven lily
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Bexalite would be the next best thing

smoky remnant
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alr

proven lily
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just make sure you have a ship that can haul cargo after you refine it, refineries will let you rent a cutty black

smoky remnant
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Thanks for the warning

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And where would the best place to sell be?

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Guessing it matters what ores I get

hollow sedge
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try out this website

smoky remnant
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Ight thanks

hollow sedge
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this should help u out plenty with mining/trading overall

proven lily
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gonna give my carrak up for a C2

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should haul alot better

smoky remnant
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This amount here is in what it doesn't seem to say

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hollow sedge
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oh

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scu im assuming

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honestly it doesnt matter that much you just want to see whos buying at the highest price per unit and who has decent buying capacity

smoky remnant
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True

hollow sedge
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shit what do i know i tried trading once and lost 200k

lean solar
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What commodity is less likely to sell out?

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I used to do loads of hydrogen, but was wondering if it was the same

woeful moss
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Or roc and cutting

north oyster
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My speculation is that there will come a "new type of cargo trading" in that it will be mission/request driven. The player won't have to buy, own or risk loosing the cargo but rather will be contracted to pick it up, transport and then deliver it to designated port. The payout could be based off distance, risk, percentage of value, etc. It will also be an opportunity for CIG to develop reputation so that the "big juicy jobs" will have to be earned and not just any hotshot can buy a Hull E and rake it in.

tame elbow
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that would be ideal

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cargo contracts would be great if they were more dynamic

north oyster
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The Quantum world, the contracts and opportunities could shift to meet needs and market demands from around multiple systems.

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Communications would be important, Reputation vital and also maybe a bid system if there are too many freight vessels available to make deliveries

manic whale
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somebody else experiencing fall through the Prospector after climbing the ladder? I have to store it/retrieve to work, sometimes 2x

smoky remnant
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Sometimes

ancient ivy
# north oyster Communications would be important, Reputation vital and also maybe a bid system ...

I hope all levels will be an option. So for example you can either:

A.) be just a pilot that uses someone else’s ship and cargo haul for them for the least profit.

B.)have your own ship but your cargo hauling for others for a middle ground profit

C.)it’s your ship and your money invested in the cargo and your piloting it for full profit. Or you can get others to pilot your own ships and you’ll have to pay them ‘x’ amount or you contract out your cargo but it’s their ship and they pilot (or sort their own pilot out) and you pay them ‘y’ amount that you agree on.

When player to player trade windows appear stuff will really start kicking into gear for trading aswell hopefully.

north oyster
ancient ivy
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Yeah exactly. Also a really good Avenue for newer players who don’t have enough money to buy their own ships etc. Work your way up the ranks until you can afford your own smaller cargo ship etc. A proper career path.

But then I honestly believe on game release that people who buy it in a released state shouldn’t even start with a ship just a small pool of money and on a starting location of however many the game gives them. Then you earn money by doing ground missions working as crew for players that have ships etc until you can afford your own first ship. I mean the sense of achievement of having your own first flyable ship after working for others and using the in game shuttles to get to different planets for more work and working for others or joining an org to work alongside.

lilac hedge
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I'm just thinking of ways that could be exploited by pirates or malicious actors

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Like, if you're transporting millions (billions?) of UEC worth of merchandise on a hull E, with no buy in cost, whats to stop you from either selling it outright somewhere else, or having someone else do that and commiting fraud

ancient ivy
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Yeah absolutely there would need to be some sort of way to make it a contract and those things not possible.

Maybe a way where if you take the contract you can’t sell the contract and you can only hand it in to the agreed location and the money goes straight into the cargo owners account when sold. With regards to pirates you wouldn’t have that kind of cargo hauled without a very competent protection fleet

smoky remnant
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What should I mine with a stock prospector cause I can't mine quant and I found that out the hard way

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(renting mine)

ancient ivy
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Bexalite is the next most valuable

smoky remnant
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noted

lean solar
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yeah tbf, cargo running is rubbish atm

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i cant even fill my ship with anything aside from crap that i wont profit on

near aspen
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is there a way to not die getting into prospector?

versed forge
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@crimson mantle I have a Starfarer question again

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I need high restock and no gravity

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Maximum profit

pulsar robin
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Which planet happens to be the best for roc mining right now?

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Or moon

next igloo
pulsar robin
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I'll check it out thanks

crimson mantle
patent flower
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SC trade tools, you are a legend

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I need to figure out where to sell corundum

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Oh Area 18, apparently

mellow delta
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i havent played since 3.13 live dropped, didnt update it until now. is cargo any better than 3.12?

foggy bloom
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are there any good trade routes i can get started with hauling cargo on?

woeful moss
mellow delta
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📉 📉

woeful moss
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@foggy bloom sc-trade.tools

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add a https:// before that

foggy bloom
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thanks!

woeful moss
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Anytime buddy

woeful moss
# mellow delta 📉 📉

It might get better with the next patch. Rumor has it, that the mobiglass will receive a trading alert then. Maybe showing where stock is low and buying for high price and where it is sold cheaply because abundant

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But no idea yet tbh

mellow delta
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will wait, very gladly

woeful moss
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I'm still a bit sceptical. But it might bring life into the game. Because pirates will know where to wait, so hiring an escort will make sense.

mellow delta
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yh

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or

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pull a sneaky one

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stealth it is

woeful moss
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Well, if they're scouting the place that has cheap prices etc. then you won't be able to be sneaky. At least not with a transport ship.

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cute 😆

versed forge
north oyster
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Best use of rental credits is to rent a ROC and Cutlass Black (and buy the Pembroke armor). Then go to Aberdeen and mine Hadanite. That'll get you roughly 150K to 220K per run.

smoky remnant
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At least im not far I have like 700k rn and I believe its about 2 mil

lapis stirrup
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Dont forget that mining in a roc can easily lead to losing all cargo if the server goes poop,

north oyster
north oyster
quiet atlas
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hmm now they have removed the surge mining module how do i break rocks it was a great module 😦

coarse cape
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wait its gone now?

manic whale
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why wouldnt you break a rock without surge? 😄

coarse cape
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@quiet atlas its still ingame

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i got like 8 lmao

quiet atlas
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not at hurL1

coarse cape
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o

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i think its at cru L1

lapis stirrup
north oyster
runic edge
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stupid question, how do i spawn my ROC and get it to my spawned ship?

forest bridge
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hello, you have to land in a place with the right terminal. For example in Daymar and precisely at "Shubin Mining Facility SCD-1". Here in a building with blue lights, you will find a terminal that will bring up the vehicle. At this point, if your ship is big enough, you can load it.

silent aspen
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any tips how to get the impossible box? latterly tried everything i can think of just wont go orange for pick up...

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hexed breach
silent aspen
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server crashed and ended the mission but yeah thanks thats awesome advise will rememeber for next time

versed forge
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Okay ya'll, if CIG doesn't fix the Supply/Demand system this patch are they not just being negligent?

patent flower
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What is this supply demand glitch??

versed forge
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It's not a glitch.

patent flower
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Ahh

versed forge
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They integrated supply and demand into the verse, but in doing so they reduced supply to the point where no-one can ever fill a cargo bay.

patent flower
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Yeah, I've been having issues as well

versed forge
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Supply is genuinely unrealistic right now, and demand is incredulously stupid. If demand for something is reduced, stations still buy it, they just buy it at a lower price usually.

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But I'm mainly upset that I can't even seem to fill the hold of any of my ships unless I'm hauling scrap.

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But even when I hauled scrap last night I still could not fill up my Starfarer.

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Makes no sense.

patent flower
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My work around has been filling with multiple commodities. And I have 560 scu

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Still reduces profits so much though

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Sucks

versed forge
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I fill up with multiple commodities as well but the travel time is so stretched and profits so low that it isn't worth it.

patent flower
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Exactly

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Kinda ruins spending 500$ on a cargo ship

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Might just try slam lol

versed forge
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Well even spending aUEC on a cargo ship isn't worth it

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I tend not to compare gameplay to the USD pledges for ships because that's involved in funding the game, rather than balancing and playing it.

patent flower
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Fair enough

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At lease we're not trying to fill a Hull ship

versed forge
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lmao if Hull's were in it would be a nightmare

patent flower
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I can only imagine

versed forge
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What's upsetting to me is that there's a HUGE mining economy.

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Stations refine and buy refined/raw materials

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But obviously those materials need to be transported to Arrcorp or somewhere for use in larger production.

ruby jolt
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I continue finding ways to make the best profit
Now about mining: is prospector mining worth than bounty hunting? So i make about 300k per hour by killing pirates.
How much will i get from mining?
Is MOLE better for solo mining than prospector?

versed forge
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There should be a very stable economy where transporters are able to take refined and raw materials to locations

patent flower
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Indeed it makes no sense

versed forge
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In fact, I'd like to hear how you make 300k an hour just in case I could implement it into my own strategies.

patent flower
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Like a year ago, one could easily make that with a cat

versed forge
ruby jolt
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VHRT and monitors on Crusader

patent flower
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Exactly

versed forge
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And it was exactly what I expected, given the risks.

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I mean think about it; even ignoring crashes cargo hauling was still dangerous.

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There was a lot of pirating and stuff.

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Because that gameplay was more viable given cargo's profitability.

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Honestly the game was more fun.

patent flower
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Oh god yeah, more than a few times I'd be btfo

versed forge
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3.7 Cargo Hauling was PRISTINE.

patent flower
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I miss it

versed forge
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Ship hijackings were common, or attacks and such.

ruby jolt
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All the professions are so unbalanced in profit way for now :c

versed forge
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And especially given now that cargo can survive an explosion, pirates have even more reason to attack transports.

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But there are no transports.

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Because it's broken.

patent flower
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Hoping something changes soon

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20k profit for a full cargo is laughable

versed forge
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Like I said, CIG must be freakin' blind as hell.

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Because this is an easy fix

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Supply needs to spike, and demand needs to be based on price not units.

ruby jolt
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So does it mean there is no way to get more than 300k per hour now?
I heard Cat agricium cargo is pretty good

versed forge
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I mean if they just made supply follow mining it would be incredibly high.

versed forge
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Not in a reasonable amount of time.

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At the moment hauling is completely unprofitable.

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In terms of time spent for capital earned.

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Not to mention longer travel times risk crashes destroying your load.

ruby jolt
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That's weird cuz some hdms has like 300000 capacity
Oof

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Okey, i turn back to bounty hunting..

versed forge
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That capacity is for ALL servers on the verse

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Not individual instances.

ruby jolt
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Ye, i understand that. Just saw somebody here managed to make a few runs in a row with full Cat

versed forge
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I have not seen that, but if I did witness that, I would assume it was at about 1AM in NA minimum.

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Because you'd have to play when nobody is online to even get close to full stock.

patent flower
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Gotcha. Change my sleeping schedule

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Lmfao

versed forge
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xD

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I mean like if I have work/school I can't afford to be up at 1AM anyways lol.

ruby jolt
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1 am is 9 am here! That's like those memes about american asleep lol

versed forge
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yup yup xD

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But most people don't play in the morning

ruby jolt
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Need to check stocks at the morning

versed forge
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Yeah, I'd still expect them to not be fantastic. Australians are around at that time.

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There's no good time unfortunately xD

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Sometimes as an American I will play in the morning

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5AM-6AM very occasionally

patent flower
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I'm going to try slam I think

versed forge
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Slam the drug?

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From JT?

patent flower
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Yee

ruby jolt
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Another traveler we lost

versed forge
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Isn't JT stock like never restocked

patent flower
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Orphanage

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On yela

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I think?

versed forge
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Does it have a marker?

patent flower
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Nope

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Have to manually find it

ruby jolt
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Orphanage is on Wala, nope?

versed forge
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Ugh that's why I don't do that.

patent flower
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Probably not sure specific

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It's a pain but you nail it after a bit

versed forge
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Way too much work to get a half full cargo bay of something that apparently is in "low demand" at GH.

patent flower
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I go to cru5

ruby jolt
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Aren't not marked locations now marked after some patch?

patent flower
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But still takes a long time

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Not sure havent ran it in a year

ruby jolt
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Got to orphanage by QTing

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A bit time ago

versed forge
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Yeah they marked JT. I was very upset about that.

patent flower
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Oh damm

versed forge
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I remember when we used to bring my Starfarer Gemini to Jumptown, guarded by a double Vanguard escort and a ground assault crew of 6.

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It was such fun to take complete control and then out of nowhere another org would pop up with a Harbinger and a small fighter escort of its own scouting ahead for their own Cat.

ruby jolt
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Woah, i wish i participate in such thing

patent flower
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That sounds dope af

versed forge
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It was real fun. Of course I was the Captain of the SF and the organizer because I get 11-15fps

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But I'm fairly skilled in tactics and maneuvering to the point where I can be valuable.

ruby jolt
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The lower your fps the higher you are lol

versed forge
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lmao that's the way it's gotta be.

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But I did spend some time learning command for that purpose.

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But you know what Star Citizen should add that everyone agrees on?

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Transferring cargo.

patent flower
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Absolutely

versed forge
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You can luckily store cargo from the ROC into a cargo box and smack it on the floor of your ship.

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Which is a start at least.

ruby jolt
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Imagine unloading Cat by hands

versed forge
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That's the way the game is meant to be played in the future haha

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I imagine you'd pay NPCs to do it though.

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Hopefully.

ruby jolt
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I'll pay newbies to make it. They'll be my slaves

patent flower
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Oh god no

versed forge
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lmao

ruby jolt
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Pay with those water bottles

versed forge
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I'll pay you 7.25 aUEC an hour

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yeah good luck xD

ruby jolt
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bUEC you mean, in 20 years that will be beta

patent flower
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Imagine unloading a hull ship for 5000 profit

versed forge
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oh my god

ruby jolt
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Argh, i hate those pirates who just hunt without reason and profit. Just to destroy your ship. Can't leave the station safely

versed forge
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And people still want to just pvp, understandably.

ruby jolt
versed forge
ruby jolt
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Hmm

pallid temple
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Not really

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When a ship explodes and it has cargo, any cargo that spawns will be 12.5unit boxes and chances are it'll despawn right after spawning

versed forge
pallid temple
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Thanks for stating the obvious

versed forge
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You’re welcome 🗿

coarse quail
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can you store ore in the cutlass and if so how?

versed forge
coarse quail
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ok thanks

lapis stirrup
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Is the roc throttle input working as intended? Its constantly accelerating (no matter the analoge input) instead of holding a certain rpm.....

pallid temple
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There's no real speed limiter on ground vehicles

lapis stirrup
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Hm thats a little off... hope they have other plans

versed forge
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Indeed

north oyster
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They were supposed to have added a keybind to turn the engine off, I've yet to have located that

small imp
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i think its u

pallid temple
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I

small imp
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oh yeah propably I XD i was one off

north oyster
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"i" ("eye") is what is suppose to work. It hasn't but I'll try it again. Ever since I've had coolers fail on the ROC and also with the ground slide it does (greatly improved but still there), I always turn the engine off while mining. I'll check it again

coarse quail
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were do i take ore?

crimson mantle
coarse quail
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how dose one do cargo am on space station cru L1?

tame elbow
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did you buy it or mine it

coarse quail
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non am looking to do cargo runs do i have to by the cargo ?

quick geode
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what is ROC

pallid temple
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Remote Ore Collector, a ground mining vehicle

quick geode
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AH OK

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thanksd

brisk rain
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any one like to ming tonight with me need a pal system these quntaium rocks are hard to break alone now

elfin mulch
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What you think

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Mostly the cooler I'm not sure about, the drive is slower in short jumps in the long run but the spool time is what I was looking at there

elfin mulch
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Like tomorrow

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I'm about to sleep

mortal kettle
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Star Citizen Patch 3.13.1f : Greatly increased the Fleet Week trade commodity demand

mortal kettle
coarse quail
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ok is the sc trading tool useless coz 5 runs and its nothing like it says?

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and i only got 500 uec and the shop had full stock so could not even sell half of it

crimson mantle
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Hope that helps 🙂

north oyster
crimson mantle
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They added in new commodities, like fireworks, too

versed forge
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@crimson mantle how long do you think it'll be until CIG starts to correct the supply and demand in certain locations

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for example, a station the size of CRU-L1 would have thousands of SCUs of scrap at any point, maybe more.

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I just don't understand why the demand and supply are both so low

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SC in a recession lmao

hollow sedge
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well lets put it this way: if they wanted to fix the economy, they wouldve by now. the solution is as simple as increasing supply. its been like this for a good 3 months

versed forge
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And they will fix eventually.

crimson mantle
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They might not touch it until Quantum, but it's all speculation on our part.
I hope they take into account fluctuating and growing player population with whatever fix they plan on deploying: it's a big part of the problem from my point of view.

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We'll know more when Tony gives his presentation later this month.

versed forge
crimson mantle
versed forge
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Oh boy.

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Alright well thanks xD

shrewd forge
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looking for someone to show me the ropes of mining pm me if you want to help me learn.

crimson mantle
chrome cloak
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The Argo MOLE dining table is gone

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Weird change

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PTU patch F

outer orchid
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Hi, guys.
I'm going for a Prospector, since I am usually solo. I know what modules are for, but I don't know how to use them. Are they automatic or I have to press a key to change between them? What is the best combination of modules and laser? With out the modules, I can prospect already.

foggy bloom
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does anyone know how much quantanium i can sell at a time?

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surge and stampede are a must, Lancet MH1 and helix are good mining heads

tame elbow
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If it's a passive module then you don't do anything to activate them

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They are always active

outer orchid
tame elbow
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For a solo prospector I use Helix + 3 FLTR-XLs

outer orchid
tame elbow
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They are passive modules, yes. They stack up to allow you to extract more valuables

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x3 will reduce inert materials by 60%

outer orchid
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And increasing the green area situation?

tame elbow
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I have enough experience mining that I don't need any help with those areas

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You may browse the modules and find something that could make it easier for you if you are having trouble

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The safest mining setup is to go a lancet head with Stampede consumables for a power boost

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Makes mining easy.

outer orchid
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Thank you, @tame elbow
I'll research the module options. You helped a lot.

tame elbow
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❤️

outer orchid
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What about the Impact I laser so you don't pass on bigger good rocks?

foggy bloom
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i use the lancet with surge and stampede it cracks rocks like 6000 mass like a dream

elfin mulch
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Lancet, two surge and a stampede

hollow sedge
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is prospector mining actually profitable? ROC mining is nice but i find it to be too tedious

north oyster
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please note that you don't use two surges at the same time, you just have twice as many before they run out 🙂

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ROC earns a little better atm but Prospector allows you to stack refinery jobs BUT you need a ship to carry them to the TDD center

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Prospector requires more steps in the process (aka game loop play) where as with the ROC, once you get the gems you just sell them.

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Each has its own challenges to make the aUEC start to flow

north oyster
hollow sedge
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i like that

fathom silo
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Is Vice-running Worth it in current patch?

lavish monolith
north oyster
# lavish monolith My routine is to start at Everus Harbor , fly to Aberdeen, load it in and then m...

I use HUR-L2 as base of operations for all my mining in both the ROC and Prospector. Aberdeen is the best atm for hadanite since Arial is bugged and doesn't spawn ore or gems.
Also, when you stow your ROC, but sure to properly close it up before leaving the ship. The ROC by default stays open when you exit it. While they have improved the odds of getting stuck in it, this habit is a good one to keep from having it bug out on you when you spawn the ship with the ROC inside.

austere gate
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Looking for crew spot as miner on an ARGO mole. DM me 4 more details

lavish monolith
crimson mantle
quiet atlas
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buying the lancet mining head its not there to select for my prospector ive purchased it twice now

crimson mantle
spice garnet
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can you unload a greycat roc's storage into a box or only into your player storage?

crimson mantle
spice garnet
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@crimson mantle ty for the info

spice garnet
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@crimson mantle so after i put the items into a box from my inventory how would i sell it?

tame elbow
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You put the box inside a ship and can sell from the ship

woven trail
#

Hey all i'm a bounty hunter thats finally got enough for a prospector, just wondering how many refinery jobs i can stack at once? and i'm wondering if i can maximise profits from both by doing some mining then bounty hunting while the jobs refine. like what hourly earnings can i expect from mining?

north oyster
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If you are taking your time, there is a process that takes over a day but it has the lowest price and highest yield combo. They just added another one that is little more expensive but with a high yield. Be sure to know the types of refinery job or you could end up loosing over 20% of your ore to the process.

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Be careful of patch updates because they will often wipe the refinery jobs

brazen summit
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can't wait for Hull ship and cargo contracts

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Star Citizen container ship simulator

forest pasture
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Yea gonna be awesome

north oyster
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I may pick up a Hull C this year, otherwise fleet that covers trade and mining is complete for now.

Seeing trade getting some love does does the game good

proper dragon
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Is Arial still broke? regarding ROC minables spawn

mortal kettle
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yes, until next live patch. fixed in ptu according to patch notes

mortal kettle
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how is mining the same rock with 2 rocs? or better to mine different rocks?

versed forge
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I QTd to HUR-L3 and tried to mine but I rarely found rocks

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Like you know you fly for a while and scan and you just don't find that many rocks.

sage kettle
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is cargo running viable this update

crimson mantle
jade plinth
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where is the best place to mine quantanium right now

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haven't had any luck recently

crimson mantle
jade plinth
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thank you

hollow sedge
ancient ivy
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Yeah you don’t have to wait for over a day for it to refine. Some of the refinery jobs we’ve done have been like 3 days until complete

north oyster
hollow sedge
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Thank you!

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and by the way, what do I do with Inert materials?

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cant refine them, but i also cant sell them at an ore trading console

crimson mantle
hollow sedge
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i only figured that out after i filled half my inventory w it

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but nvm it seems to have disappeared on its own so ill assume thats how it goes

crimson mantle
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Once you dump it at the refinery or sell you load, it will go away.

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It will make your refinery job cost a bit more and take a bit longer though, so it's still good to minimise the amount of take in.

hollow sedge
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how can I do that? I know I can selectively succ the rocks with lower inert materials, but most rocks im mining are around 40-60% inert

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is there an item i can slap on to the laser or sth?

crimson mantle
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Most people will leave the sub-chunks that are not pure enough there and only vacuum the good ones. It's up to you though: it's a time vs cost personal evaluation.

hollow sedge
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fair

foggy stone
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Is it worth renting a prospector for a day or better to just save up and buy one in game? I never used one before and am unsure if a rental is waste of aUEC to learn. I plan on buying one no matter either way, and possibly with cash if it goes on sale

crimson mantle
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You'll have to stick with the lower tier ores though.

foggy stone
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i love roc and hand mining. i was a mining carebear in Eve for years

crimson mantle
foggy stone
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Thanks! Appreciate it

north oyster
foggy stone
north oyster
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Ouch! And I've lost full loads like that also. You'll enjoy the Prospector but a rental really doesn't give you the full story

lean solar
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Who buys Ast for the most?

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Is it PO?

crimson mantle
lean solar
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So how exactly do the biggest numbers mean it will be a better bet?

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Surely say 60 minutes is better than 8000 minutes

crimson mantle
# lean solar So how exactly do the biggest numbers mean it will be a better bet?

The refresh rate is a measure of how fast a shop's inventory returns 🙂
The +X/minute means that, in theory, that much stock replenishes every minute. For example, Loreville, with its Max 4 000 000 units + 30 000/min, buys a maximum of 4M units. However, whenever it does have stock in its inventory, it disappears at a rate of 30k/minute, to make room for more.
The fuller a shop is, the less its buying price will be.

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I do hope I made that clear 😄

lean solar
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right okay that makes sense!

north oyster
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Trade is broken at best, fubar at worst. I'm thinking they'll do a little trade trick for Fleet Week to try to sweeten the pot

hollow sedge
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Is drug running still broken or has it been fixed

north oyster
sage arch
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i got a prospector, any good places to start mining?

crimson mantle
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Complimentary resources are under the "Mining" menu

patent flower
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Theres missions that fill up a cat?

crimson mantle
patent flower
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Sad

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Mayhaps one day

elfin mulch
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anyone with a mole wanna hand?

lean solar
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Whats the most common moons and sites that people buy from?

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And what are the least common? Wanna switch up the routes

north oyster
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All the moons have outpost and stations, if you check SC Trade Tools you can get a list off all the Stanton system resources. What is available is varied. When laranite was big, Arial orbiting Hurston was the hotspot. Diamonds at T&M on Celin, etc. The previous hidden locations now have QT points, you can look at SC Trade to see what they are selling and buying. @lean solar

dreamy chasm
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Refinery calculator 3.13 updated with refining times and new look. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mCnZ3_jGrH8PH-rrReSb6q1gPT6crlge3SE-tr_BW8Y

Google Docs
Refinery Calculator 3.13

PXCalc

Units,Materials,MIC-L1,Cormack,Pyro,Gaskin,XCR,Ferron,Electro,Dinyx,Therm,Kazen,Materials
Agricium,0,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,Agricium
Aluminum,-8,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,Aluminum
Beryl,3,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00,¤0.00...

hoary trout
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hey folks!

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I'm planning on getting the C2 or M2 and would love to know if the state of Trading is still rather borked

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I enjoyed mining with the ROC but was rather annoyed at loosing all my profits over and over in random glitches

woeful moss
fair fog
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Can someone pin what Sarlacc posted? Super useful

sage arch
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New to mining with the prospector, any module recommendations?

hoary trout
versed forge
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CIG FIX CARGO plz

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thanks

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I'm just gonna start saying it every day.

north oyster
# sage arch New to mining with the prospector, any module recommendations?

The Lancet and the Helix are both popular for different reasons. I personally use the Helix most all the time. Helix more power, the Lancet larger green zone. You will also want to attach Surge (be careful with this, you will blow yourself up if used wrong), Stampede or optimal are other good ones

sage arch
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TY

north oyster
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There's a great video on lowering the signature of your Prospector from having one like a C2 to a much smaller signal. It includes info on busting huge ore boulders. I'll see if I can find that

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This is a great little video worth watching by Ryan at SuperMacBrother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLHd3PMuWs

YouTube
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versed forge
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stealth

hollow sedge
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i never understood stealth prospectors

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are plp actually dying in those things

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like just run

teal wing
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New miners: stealth Prospector loadout
Also new miners: pinging on 100% strength all the time

north oyster
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Stealth isn't what it is, but it is decreasing the default signal by 70% and the range down to 4.5k instead of 20K plus to target you. That's my take on it @hollow sedge

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100% ping is needed for hunting gems, otherwise you don't need more than 25% for large deposits (give or take)

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And yes, griefers will quickly shoot down a Prospector. It's like shooting fish in a barrel

coarse quail
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this mite be a dumb qestion but after you refine the ore how do you load it in your ship to take it to sell ?

coarse cape
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iirc you spawn your cargo ship on the pad and go to the refinery deck and go into the terminal. Then press a button(forgot what it looks like) and select your cargo ship

pallid temple
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You don't need to spawn the ship to have cargo loaded into it

earnest rampart
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hello, haven’t played star citizen since January, is cargo still broken?

spice garnet
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so i got a prospector and a helix 1 mining lazer but i cant seem to break rocks with over 7000 mass are they bugged or do i just not have enough power to break them? should i be decreasing the resistance of the rock or upping the power of my laser with moduels?

mortal kettle
crimson mantle
earnest rampart
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Oh

earnest rampart
crimson mantle
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Or so they hope 😄

earnest rampart
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ooh that’s way closer than I thought, hopefully it’s at that time, was thinking about delving back into the game sometime this week

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thanks for the info

crimson mantle
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It's also the start of free fly, so your performance may vary

pallid temple
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The free fly begins on the 22nd

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Not the 21st

crimson mantle
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I stand corrected! 1 day of respite then

earnest rampart
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wooo

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but yeah thank you for the info, will definitely make the most out of those 24 hours

foggy stone
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Is there a way to tell what a gem is when scanning from the Cutty black? It's disappointing to find a gem pile, get the ROC out, and then find out it's dolvine

crimson mantle
coarse cape
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anyone got some decent spots for prospector mining, been wanting to get back into it

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nvm

north oyster
# coarse cape nvm

I normally mine on Aberdeen but Yela is also good. They have low gravity and are easy to maneuver on. The Asteroid belt is always good but it takes a little bit of planning to hit it just right.

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Arial isn't showing ore spawns this patch, should be fixed when 3.13.1 drops at the end of the week.

coarse cape
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Sweet thanks

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I just got to rebuy some consumables for my prospector since I randomly exploded then I’ll try again

stuck lynx
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@crimson mantle will your site be updated for the new commodities come 3.13.1?

And did you determine if you are going to get your own discord up and running?

crimson mantle
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Discord link can be found on the website already, in the top navbar or the footer

stuck lynx
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LEGIT!!!!!!! TY @crimson mantle

tulip hornet
rustic shoal
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What is trading looking like this patch?

tulip hornet
rustic shoal
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Fucking awesome

wraith topaz
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Eh little better - the journal stuff is good

north oyster
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Watching the journal might offer done options.

spice garnet
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did the update wipe work orders? i had about 9 or 10 before i got off last night and now they are all gone?

idle blade
north oyster
plain sun
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did they fix the trading?

plain sun
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I HAD 2 MIL IN THAT

coarse cape
thorny copper
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why tho

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Its pretty well established fact that you stand the chance of losing stuff from a patch update

bright star
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I just made 132k from trading fireworks

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I'm digging this Commodity Alerts

woeful moss
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nice is that a limited event?

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Gotta try out that hercules I got as a loaner for bmm 😄

bright star
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Herc would definitely make more

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I used Carrack for that trade btw

woeful moss
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Can you make a screenshot of that trading alerts screen?

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Won't be able to play for a bit yet sadly

bright star
woeful moss
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Thank you!

bright star
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No problem.

woeful moss
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Does it also show overstocked goods?

bright star
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Yes

woeful moss
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Like buy somewhere for cheap. store ship and get it out when that commodity is understocked somewhere else

bright star
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Basically just buy from Overstock, and sell at Understock

woeful moss
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Oooh nice, thanks again

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That's awesome

bright star
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Indeed

woeful moss
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Should make trading more fun definitely!

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can you say how often it is updated?

bright star
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Not sure. But I do know it's different from time to time.

woeful moss
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Okay thanks again for the infos

hoary trout
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Proud owner of this beast:) anybody have some good recommendations for jump drives?

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tawny elbow
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Pontes, TS-2 are good

hoary trout
pliant matrix
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Can't wait to be back home and do the update. I waited for my herc for so long after buying it 😁

sudden haven
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So just confirming

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880k fireworks Hur to NB= 100k profit roughly

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so alot of risk but money if you are careful

hoary trout
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I did a mistake

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I bought a lot of SLAM and now I'm stuck waiting for the no questions asked shop to refresh

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so I can painstakingly sell of a couple SCU at a time

sudden haven
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like 696 in SLAM?

hoary trout
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no just 286 SCU

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thats all I could afford

sudden haven
hoary trout
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not even

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286 units

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thats like 3 SCU

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and I can't sell it haha

sudden haven
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lol

hoary trout
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if I go to any other station I'd make a huge loss afaik

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help

sudden haven
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R&D Orinth?

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maybe that will help purge it

leaden reef
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F

hoary trout
sudden haven
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I thought Disposal Site Orinth goes hard

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but it is a new patch

hoary trout
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hmmm

sudden haven
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i just don't sell vice

hoary trout
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I'll check it out and report back!

hoary trout
pliant matrix
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vice must only be trade in small ship. imagine if someone arrive to sell a truck of coke in the street xD

hoary trout
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well

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live and learn I guess

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it's going to take me hours to sell these many units haha

pliant matrix
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yeah and the more you'll sell the lower the price will be. not even sure it'll be really profitable. better drop and do some bounties instead to compensate

hard siren
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Hello where do you buy fireworks from?

crimson mantle
hard siren
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ok

pliant matrix
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that's quite a big boy xD

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patent pumice
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Hey all o/ has anyone compiled a list from the commodity price alerts or is that too volatile?

hoary trout
crimson mantle
pliant matrix
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it's fun to fly. way more than cat. and inside is very nice and practical. you swich from seat to cargo or outside very fast

blissful oxide
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Faster than MSR ? (to get out)

pliant matrix
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same tbh. just two doors to reach the elevator and you're out

blissful oxide
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Nice

olive wagon
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When are they gonna fix the prospector slingshoting us out of the ship when we enter it

crimson mantle
olive wagon
hoary trout
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also it's incredibly more flexible, with having 3 entry/exit points and all

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yesterday my hatch on the MSR bugged out and I had to do some very janky shit to get in

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but with the Hercules you're incredibly fast, especially if you use the ladder

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shift + s on the ladder and you'll slide down suuper fast

blissful oxide
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we can shift on ladders ? 😮

undone socket
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is trading working now or still not??

ancient ivy
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with the new commodities price alert i am trying to buy construction materials in area 18 but cant see them and couldn't sell in new babbage earlier. are the cities broken or am i in wrong place?

bright star
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So far, all Commodities Price Alerts trading had all been done via Admin areas.

inner mortar
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Do places like Arial still sell cat's worths of laranite like a few patches ago?

bright star
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No

inner mortar
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Ah. Is there another cargo I can mass buy, then?

crimson mantle
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The new commodity price alerts in the journal let you know where the good deals are.

inner mortar
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Thanks a lot!

muted frigate
#

I rembered more profit before the trade stop

elfin mulch
#

they went and broke mining? I just tried quant extraction and was set to blow immediately

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the rock didn't sit after I cracked it either, It went from crack to hull, to immediate danger warning

blissful oxide
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Is there a way to know the buying price ?
I only see selling price, and was a bit sad seeing the price going from 13.99 in the journal, to 13.10 in the Admin office 😅

pulsar sky
#

has anyone been able to play this new patch? I literally have 2 fps the entire time

blissful oxide
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I do, no problem so far, very stable

pulsar sky
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odd

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Maybe its just New Babbage

blissful oxide
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Was in New Babage 😦

pulsar sky
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huh

blissful oxide
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Try to get out of cities just in case ^^"
First load is pretty heavy too

pulsar sky
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i managed to get in a ship and my game froze and eventually crashed 😦

blissful oxide
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How much RAM do you have ?

pulsar sky
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16gb

blissful oxide
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Try to allocate the Pagefile to your SSD
Had that problem in 3.11 or 3.12
Upgraded my RAM solved the issue, but allowing Pagefile on your SSD should also work 🙂

elfin mulch
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yeah I did another testrun of QT mining and when I got to the refinery the QT was gone in the manifest

pulsar sky
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I'll have to look into how I can do that

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thanks

blissful oxide
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I hope it helps 🙂

snow merlin
snow merlin
blissful oxide
snow merlin
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really? Perhaps it was slow ram maybe?
and yeah HDD makes this game very hard to play.
I run everything on samgung 980 Evo NTFS and its smooth af

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sorry not ntfs I mean.. M.2

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nvme not ntfs lol

snow merlin
blissful oxide
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I had the game on the 970 pro nvme, but the pagefile on HDD (yeah, was dumb 😂)
Having the game on HDD is another problem ^^

snow merlin
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what do you mean page file?

inner sandal
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32 gb of ram with the game on an SSD, i9, and a 2070s and game was repeatably crashing in New Babbage so...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

snow merlin
inner sandal
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You're telling me

snow merlin
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im going to try running it right now to see if anything is wrong

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havent played in like...6 months

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i do that so It's exciting every time i come back in hopes of the game being better but im usually disappointed lol

blissful oxide
# snow merlin tbh I have no idea how much ram games use. Theres not really indicators that sho...

Task manager (ctrl + alt + supr)
It will show memory use (and also your CPU/GPU use)
I get from 8go to 25go used by SC x)
Usually 16go is enough, but if you run multiple chrome tabs (which use lots of memory) at the same time, it can be tough
And if the game really need it (launching QT for example, or loading big city/ship), and you don't have space for memory on your ram available
then your PC will switch to your pagefile
(basically it will do what your Ram do, but on your HDD/SDD (which are way slower))
If your pagefile is allocated to your SSD, usually it should be good (not ideal but should work)
If the pagefile is on the HDD... well... it's way too slow x) The game will bug, freeze, or even crash when the pagefile will be used

snow merlin
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ive noticed running chrome when a game is running slows it down actually lol

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oh so if you have 32gb ram like I do, relocating pagefile shouldnt be needed right?

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im assuming the pagefile gets installed wherever the game does? or is it wherever the OS is installed

blissful oxide
blissful oxide
snow merlin
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ok thanks for the explanation

blissful oxide
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np 😄

snow merlin
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think i should delete the user file?

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some people say that

blissful oxide
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Hum, from my last read, user file isn't used anymore ?
Or changed place ? I'm not sure

crimson mantle
blissful oxide
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It can't hurt to delete it anyway 😄

pulsar sky
hollow sedge
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Hello im french , and is my birthday today ( 24 yo ) i play "el_ratel chan .
Flmy safe ( im bad with english ^^ )

sweet slate
hollow sedge
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@sweet slate thancks i farm 4.500.000 for by mole is verry long 😢 ^^

coarse cape
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Mole is pretty fun

sweet slate
coarse cape
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^

hollow sedge
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y i farm all day for buy ^^

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@coarse cape y but is long for buy ^^ x)

coarse cape
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Yeah

sweet slate
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Yeah, it takes a while

coarse cape
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I only got a prospector lol

sweet slate
#

You could try to change up your missions and stuff ever so often

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Try to keep things interesting

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Maybe do some trading and pick up bounties along the way or something like that

hollow sedge
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i go ry thancks

coarse cape
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Good luck

hollow sedge
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thancks ^^

tacit otter
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so for anyone curious about trading using the new commodity price updates...
I started working on creating a spreadsheet for calculating commodity prices at different locations
you have to enter the numbers fresh when the prices update, but then it will automatically tell you which locations are the best with a row highlight, and calculates raw and margin profits

I could also make a minimum trip distance formula for the top results...

With how it calculates results, the lowest sell prices and highest buy prices are all that matter, the other two columns do nothing, but you could make a duplicate sheet just for personally documenting the ranges youve seen
Also, the cells filled in the table are the minimum required, if any of the minimum sell column is empty, itll try to divide by zero (so far)
I can probably fix that but hadnt fiddled much with excel formulas until the last couple hours
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/677228989453959170/845248003006660659/2021-05-21_1.png?width=1289&height=676

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raw profit per unit is arguably the most important number to factor into which prices to take, as that determines your total profit,
however, having a higher margin means you risk less capital

The highest margins will have lower raw profit per unit, as theyre the safer trades, so its up to you to balance your risk level
However on top of all that, youll need to risk a certain amount to reach a profit rate higher than competing professions

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some trades simply arent worth taking though.
For example, to fill a hercules with AV equipment, it would cost around 13m aUEC, and profit you around 110k aUEC, but construction materials would net the same profit at half the purchase cost, so less risk

woeful moss
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@tacit otter maybe you should get in contact with @crimson mantle

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It's a great idea and maybe if you put your head together it can be implemented to his website

tacit otter
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Im sure his website already uses the exact same/more complicated calculations as what Im putting in the spreadsheet

but having the spreadsheet is a nice way to be able to do it yourself using the new price updates in the MobiGlas Journal, and to make the data more reliable in the short term since it updates frequently and might be different per server?

woeful moss
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Supposedly commodity availability and pricing is consistent across servers. But I like your idea and it's nice work

tacit otter
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I fixed the divide by zero errors.

tacit otter
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improved readability and better formulas

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tacit otter
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works pretty nicely

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tacit otter
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65k profit for a 650k risk
One-way time

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crimson mantle
tacit otter
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honestly, some of these routes are so short

tacit otter
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You can make up to 760k/h in a C2

granite lichen
#

hey does anybody know a good place to ROC mine? the main problem is the only ship that i got capable of carryng it is the carrack and is too big

crimson mantle
granite lichen
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ty, i know about the cutlass but i dont really have a lot of time so i dont now if it would be worth it

crimson mantle
granite lichen
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in fact my plan was to buy a prospector, but the nomad is a cool option too because i dont really have a small/medium ship

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ty for your advice, quite helpful!

crimson mantle
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The prospector does "respect your time" more, as you don't have to go get the ROC, etc.

granite lichen
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Yes, but the fact that i dont really have a way to move my equipment quickly...at least without ship on ship spawning

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because the carrack is way to bulky

crimson mantle
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Well, if you can move cargo with your carrack this patch with the new event commodities, you may be able to afford both!

granite lichen
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Yeah, that would be awesome, had some bad experiences trading in 3.10 (i think that the 30k in that patch where way more common) and never really tried moving cargo again

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but the carrack is a hell of a hauler for the time beeing

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by the way first time i log on NB and the NPC are on place

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it's good to see that fleet week is comming yumyum

crimson mantle
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All up to you of course 😄
You can try finding the best commodity for your ship and capital, then find the best routes with the journal alert: https://tinyurl.com/768t2y87

granite lichen
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yup, gonna use those tools hahaha

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but arent the trade items capped?

crimson mantle
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Inventories are not infinite, correct.
But this patch they added in the journal a price alert entry

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So figure out which commodity you should haul, the buy it low at a location detailed in the journal, and sell it high at another location mentioned in there.

granite lichen
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And those are the event commodities you were talking about?

crimson mantle
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Correct!

granite lichen
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okay, then i'm going to try those

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because regular items right now are a no go, am i right?

crimson mantle
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nah, the other stuff is still the same. Maybe even better now that most people are doing event commodities. But the stuff in the journal in guaranteed to be in stock.

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The new event items are also very profitable, and the routes are really short.

granite lichen
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and what commodity would you recommend? i've got 170k auecs rn

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fireworks, for example?

crimson mantle
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Then try to match a low price seller and a high price buyer on the journal entry

granite lichen
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okay, thanks!

woven trail
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Is it worth renting a Connie andromeda for trading on these events or not

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I've only got fighter ships at the moment

crimson mantle
tacit otter
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Based on all the numbers I gathered in the last few hours, I feel like bounty hunting until you're capable of affording the upper mid range (a large ship loaded with fireworks) is better than starting too early with trading. Because, while using an M2, it takes a full load of fireworks on the shortest route to compete with high end bounty hunting.

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some of the numbers I had after a couple hours of trading, though I didnt list any times in there, I was running fireworks and made about 275k/h with the M2.

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the margin columns dictate the profit rate compared to the amount of capital you're risking
the profit columns show raw profit per unit, which will determine the actual amount of total profit you earn
those numbers are displayed as a "best case scenario" from their particular location based on the mins and maxes of the spreadsheet

woven trail
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yeah looks like BH is still king for me until i can get something else

tacit otter
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These commodity prices have been shifting up over time >_>
I havent seen them change in a negative direction yet

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FW current max sale is like .11 UEC higher than it was then, thats a 5% increase

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AVE profit went up by nearly 6% during the same time period, from 3.59 UEC/u to 3.8 UEC/u

tepid hawk
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Hauling doesn't seem that bad right now, Made 250k off of some goods earlier.

cinder osprey
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Any tips for ROC mining?/Where to go?

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Also what to mine?

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@tacit otter Wouldn't you make like double if you used C2 instead of M2?

north oyster
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You want to mine hadanite. Also, get the Pembroke armor set of you don't already have it

cinder osprey
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You just mine the like.. little rock clusters right?

north oyster
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Go slow, ping at 100% because the gems only show up when about 2km from them

cinder osprey
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Do you only ride around on your ROC to find the clusters? Would be using a ship be too slow?

north oyster
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They often hide near the larger deposits

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Ship

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Might want to check some videos out on the process

cinder osprey
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I know everything about Quant mining, just never tried ROC before and friend wants to

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Is there a huge difference in renting/buying one? Does customizing the parts actually affect it that much? I know it does for the Prospector

north oyster
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ROC mining is good coin

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The ROC is fully capable in stock layout, you cannot modify it at this time

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Can earn about 150k to 220k aUEC per trip

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Or more

cinder osprey
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how long do your trips take?

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if you're lucky and if you're unlucky. Whats your times like?

north oyster
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Varies

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Like in the Prospector

cinder osprey
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I know I've been lucky and finished a full Quant trip in under 10 minutes. But unlucky you can search for 45 minutes and be depressed

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Wait, so you can't modify it even if you wanted to?

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@north oyster Also are there gems in caves that you can ROC mine?/Would it even be worth it if so?

north oyster
crimson mantle
north oyster
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As for caves, other drops like space poop is worth a whole lot more

crimson mantle
north oyster
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Rats

cinder osprey
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Where do you sell the things you mine by hand/with a ROC? Is the only place the refineries or is there other places as well?

crimson mantle
plain nest
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any experience using a freelancer DUR together with a ROC? is the better radar worth the hassle?

crimson mantle
plain nest
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really? i found some comment about the freelancer radar being better, and in the description in the wiki they talk about "a more advanced scanner"

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*freelancer DUR radar

crimson mantle
plain nest
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oh :/

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as much as i like my cutlass, the radar for the ROC-mineables doesnt really do it for me

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about the radars, is there any way to mod them? the wiki seems to have plenty of radars, but i cant seem to find any real info on it

tacit otter
cinder osprey
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Not double, its like 20-30% more

tacit otter
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174 SCU

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but like Ive said many times, Im not concerned about being the fastest
Im not buying two hercules with RMT
It makes the most sense to own the M2 because it can still do a solid job of trading and the military transport roles

main grove
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What does commodity value mean. I spend a fortune on cargo and the reward is suppost to be pretty good, but when I sold all of it I only got 45000aUES but I spend about 150000 on the cargo. So I made a loss.

wind summit
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dang, that hasn't happened to me yet. I've had some crappy runs where I only made 10k or so, but never a loss

hollow sedge
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Guys is trading good yet?

pliant matrix
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made a 32k profit with 125k invest earlier. went well not lag on panels or else. And commodities price updates in journal is very helpful imo

pliant matrix
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how does the roc fit in cutlass red? I heard it can but never seen it myself

distant sapphire
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it is a tight fit, but is workable

main grove
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What is the most up to date website for selling cargo, because Galactic Logistics is completely wrong

pliant matrix
pulsar sky
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Can i not sell my cargo after a 30k if I was at a place with ATC?

north oyster
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If the place you're at doesn't buy, then it won't show up as an option to sell

pulsar sky
north oyster
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Long shot, but maybe take the ship to another station to sell

modern hedge
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how does anyone make money hauling when everything is out of stock lol

crimson mantle
modern hedge
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sc trade tools?

crimson mantle
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Hello

modern hedge
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oooh, in the menue

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not using the website

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ah

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commodity price alrt?

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alert

crimson mantle
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The journal entry is not super user friendly. I personally find a good route on the website first, then make sure they have stock in-game

crimson mantle
modern hedge
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and i go to overstcok right

thorny copper
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where does one go about selling their fireworks

tacit otter
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honestly new commodities are STONKS
the numbers I listed before in this channel were the worst rates Ive seen
theyve only gotten better

thorny copper
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Yeah looks like I might be doing some trade runs again for a while

tacit otter
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I just got fucked by the price update though, lmao
Right before I got to the admin to sell, prices updated and FW dropped by more than 1 UEC/unit

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dropped my profit by 40k, from 14.95 to 13.78

crimson mantle
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The new event stuff is well supplied, short routes and profitable. It's nice to use the cargo ships for once.

thorny copper
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hope it stays that way until 3.14, its been a long time coming for taurus to prove its worth

sly quartz
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Just been trying to sell something at the trader but to have half the cargo left on do I need to find another buyer for the product or do I need to wait until the shop has emptied it's contents? pls help

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I went to Jumptown bought 34 SLAM and it said on the SC Trade Tool I could get 35, then went to my drop off @ Glen Station tried to sell the item and only sold 9 Units the prices were wrong for buying and selling. is the SC Trading Tool Broken?

north karma
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been enjoying the trade loop so much I got too brave

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my game crashed while all my money was in my c2 😦 aaaand my c2 crashed without me there to help it along

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I now have 22aUEC. Have to save for a penguin lol

tacit otter
coarse quail
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well i must say every-time i have done it i always make a complete loss

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no its extremely broken for example, i did a test am stud at the station it wants me to deliver, after doing the check the station dose not want it coz its full

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so i had 16 slam left and it says as soon i input all on the trading tool take it to No Questions Asked" Trading at witch am stud at right now but its full

tacit otter
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show your buy and sell prices

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SC Trade tools cant tell whether a station is full or not, thats not part of the tool

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it only lists what stations may buy or sell

coarse quail
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so the tool is usless then

thorny copper
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Its as useful as it can be with the information it is given, which is not all of it

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To find realtime rates you need to actually login and check for yourself

crimson mantle
crimson mantle
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As the others helpfully pointed out, the website is more of a fancy way to datamine the static game's files.
Unfortunately, some knowledge of how the economy of Star Citizen operates is required.
I'll do my best to convey that in a future update and will try to make it more transparent.

patent pumice
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Hey guys I'm trying to get in to mining, and I was wonder how I would know what level of instability the mining laser I have can mine

crimson mantle
patent pumice
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Hmm, so if I were to try mining Quantainium it would be more about the size of the asteroid/deposit I've found rather than the material?

north karma
patent pumice
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Gotcha. Thanks!

spice garnet
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Does the fltr-XL module stack the -20% inert material if you have multiple of the components?

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Follow up question does it filter out the material when I break the rock or when I suck up the material

manic whale
granite lichen
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hey, got a question, where is the best place to mine with the ROC? i've seen places like aberdeen but i didnt find anything there

foggy stone
granite lichen
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nomad+roc, quite similar

cinder osprey
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Anyone else having problems with the Prospector?

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Me and Friend have died like 8+ times trying to get inside of it the last 2 days

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As we try to enter the ladder it looks like it pushes us up into the ceiling and then we die from what I imagine is suffocation

crimson mantle
manic whale
tacit otter
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updated Fireworks numbers from occasionally checking prices ingame
the orange values on the right are assuming youre using 522 SCU in an M2, since I use the M2 :P

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C2 is 33% more profit/cost, and Cat is 10.3% more

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this is just the money though, doesnt factor time at all, as the automatically green highlighted rows are the highest buys and the lowest sells

timber flame
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Anyone having a bug in the Mole where the left & right mining seats you cannot use?

cinder osprey
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What is the cheapest ship that fits a ROC?

coarse cape
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freelancer can but its a bit tight due to the turret

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oh and the cutty can as well

woeful moss
tacit otter
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you can make 1M/h doing AVE in a C2

winter garnet
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AVE?

rustic shoal
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Yeah new commodities are hype from what I here

cloud slate
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new commoditites hmm

rustic shoal
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menu that is

cloud slate
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1mil an hour in a C2 is really bloody good

manic whale
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yeah, if you can risk 17mil. into 1 run 😄

cloud slate
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the server crashes is the main issues haha if you takes escorts then your pretty safe

manic whale
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yes, running 4x17mil. to get that 1mil/h thinkcry

cloud slate
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best we can do atm while trading is gutted lol

lapis snow
manic whale
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This can do you 1mil/h, but in that hour, you can lose the 650k investment cause 30K 🙂 and its not so profitable anymore

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blissful oxide
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Well, since 30k are so rare right now, I call that very profitable ^^
Especially since it's the easier job (comparing to mining of even bounty)

manic whale
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I would not bet on a 30K rarity. Lost my passive sub-components from Prospector (cause Hangars are off Facepalm ), bought them again, lost them again 😄 . Tried the Fireworks run, yeah its easy money, but I dont know what I would do losing the investment on last run 😄 . Money gone, 1h of playtime gone.

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I rather risk 1 Cater run full of refined goods, than this. ...not mentioning ROC mining, which is almost instant money and bounties being kill=money

blissful oxide
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You're very unlucky ^^"
Since 3.13.1, played something like 15h
And had no 30k, nor heard people came back from 30k in chat

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It's the most stable version I ever played 😄
Except for framerate lol, but wel... invictus 😅

manic whale
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sure, I play almost exclusively on "Best" servers, for refinery-stock market choose a servers location with nightime (2-4AM) just to be sure. Im without 30Ks for 4days, but then comes THE day 😄 from time to time.

visual karma
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am i reading SC trade tools right? its saying that there isnt wait times for laranite anymore at bezdeck and lathan?

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crimson mantle
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In really, the supply is most likely lower 🙂

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you can use a refresh rate filter of 2k+ to show only the shops that are better supplied than those

visual karma
crimson mantle
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The website doesn't know the state of the game's servers unfortunately. Think of it more like a fancy datamining tool 🙂

crimson mantle
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But they share their inventories with their other copies on other servers

visual karma
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cool so i can hop. ill just make a run and see how it goes 🙂 i got a excel spreadsheet of my trade history and i wanna see 3.11 compared to now lol

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itll be interesting

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thanks for the continued help SC! o7

half condor
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Hello! i got a question about where can you find qunatinium?

crimson mantle
half condor
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ARe they found on planet?

crimson mantle
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Oh yes

half condor
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Alright, thanks a lot

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I was looking over internet all over to find a good spot

crimson mantle
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I keep the website updated every patch 😄

half condor
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is hadanite worth to farm?

lyric nest
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if they sell a hull series tomorrow is it even worth getting if the loaners are a Hercules and a cat?

polar flame
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ok ... so I'm trading fireworks.

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the Commodity price alert has NB buying at 14.95 but the terminal at planetary services says 13.82

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is there another terminal at NB that is buying at right price?

crimson mantle
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Even CIG can't broadcast commodity prices, so imagine what chances we have, as 3rd party websites xD

coarse quail
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after refineing the ore how do i know were the best sell point is ?

crimson mantle
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It's also pinned 😉

elder island
woeful moss
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While I was playing yesterday I think every 15 Minutes or so I had an update.

hollow sedge
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are rocs broken rn or is it just my roc that just refuses to mine 80% of the time?

pliant matrix
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I'd lot of server lag since invictus. Servers are assaulted more than ever so that's maybe why

hollow sedge
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yea that makes sense

obsidian stone
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Does any know if the Commodity Price Alerts will persist past Fleet Week?

pliant matrix
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I don't think it's linked to "fleet week"

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it's a feature

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I don't see the point to add a feature for an event only

gentle spade
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It's all quantainium at minimum 8%, most are at >20%
Sadly I only have a rented prospector 😦

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hollow sedge
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idk if an unmodded prospector can handle quantanium. For me it could never crack those rocks

foggy stone
hollow sedge
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also, when it comes to mining, do ores spawn in specific places on the planets (say, certain biomes spawn more of ore X than other biomes, or ore Y spawns more near the poles), or is it all random?

crimson mantle
north oyster
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So @crimson mantle what was your take on Tony Z's presentation and how that would affect trade? I had to superglue my brain back in my skull, the dude does not waste any words.

crimson mantle
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I have to go through it again, but I have some concerns:

  • 1000s of perfectly knowledgeable NPCs won't leave much room for players to haul the best stuff
  • The economy system is already obscur enough as it is, this brings it to a whole new level: it will have to be very clear in-game what is happening, because otherwise no one will have a clue as to why things are the way they are
    I'm sure it will be addressed in some way, we'll have to wait and see.

And finally: I'll have to rework large swaths of my website/parsers/data structures 😢 xD

north oyster
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The system to hook into the data would be a total rework, but the potential (stress "potential") to have live data stream with ticker tape accuracy might be fun.
Competing with unobstructed VNPCs could certainly throw a wrench in Tony's vision. I think that is why he stressed "learning" and "adjustments" because the kamisama AI might not be balanced for a long long time

crimson mantle
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To me, the system needs to come with real NPCs: tons of haulers, pirates picking on them and police chasing those. If it ships as a pure simulation, it will only greatly exacerbate the problems we have right now.
Those systems also often fall into 2 behavioural patterns: perfect equilibrium and 2-state back-and-forth.
They can mix it up with events and stuff, so we'll see how interesting they can make it 🙂

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Overall, as for the rest of SC, I'm cautiously optimistic 😄

north oyster
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Well, the luxury of the vNPCs is that they can pop in and out of "real NPC" status based on Players near by. I did like the concept of a persistent world of NPCs that would be there as we dropped in the game and still be there when we leave, just not visible when not needed.

foggy stone
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I agree that balancing perfect knowledge of the vNPCs with the imperfect knowledge of the PCs is going to be a hard line to walk. I would hope that the AI gets smart enough to dumb itself to our level

north oyster
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The demonstrated dynamic trade terminal was promising also.

north oyster
nimble mica
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I’m in orbit right above Hurston, where is my nearest space station to fix my ship and sell some minerals?

crimson mantle
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You can repair at the planetary port too, that's closer

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no selling ores there though

nimble mica
north oyster
nimble mica
crimson mantle
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Oh, for hand mining gems you can usually sell them directly on the planet you mine them at.
Unfortunately, it looks like you lost your gems 😢
Next time, change armor torso to store the backpack away: it should protect it from death.

nimble mica
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Ffs

north oyster
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So you have gems that you have mined by hand? Like SC Trade said, they can be sold at the outpost on the moons and at the Admin offices of the space stations.

nimble mica
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How do I check my health it’s only my second night?

north oyster
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Food and drink is sometimes it's own mini-game. it depends upon the hours and exertion you have done in game.

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you can stow water and sealed food, so grab a energy bar and water to have next time

nimble mica
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How do I watch my health so I know when it’s getting low?

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Or if I’m Thirsty or hungry?

north oyster
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it will show up bottom left of HUD in your helmet

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Water and Food as a percentage until you die

nimble mica
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The bit can’t see because the Suit has a glitch and covers half of it.

north oyster
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are you in the Pembroke armor or Novikov?

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Not F1 mobiglass view, but your normal view, it will show up there

nimble mica
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Novikov

north oyster
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OK, cold weather suit. So doing things around Microtech or cold moons, roger

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You do want to swap to another suit or just your undersuit when you have it full of inventory. That way it is preserved

nimble mica
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What do I find the investigation missions under? Start small

north oyster
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Normally under the regular mission tab, the options under the Personal Tab are usually nefarious in nature

nimble mica
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I’m at a space station and when I unequipped my helmet I die, I’m right in front of the pizza place buying water, am I doing something wrong

north oyster
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Really? That might be that station. When you revive, take your helmet off then

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There are bugs where the atmosphere is missing in some areas. I went into a bar once and died right away

nimble mica
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It’s only when I stand in front of the pizza place, it must be a glitch I can stand 1 m further back and I don’t die

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Tell me why I am dying

ancient ivy
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Ingame bug. There will be an error in that exact place where they haven’t loaded in the oxygen overlay. To see your food and water levels hold F and right click you’ll see them in bottom right corner

dark tendon
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Best guess for Taurus SCU capacity?

coarse cape
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prob 200

dark tendon
silk delta
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Does Quantanium start decaying as soon as the rock is broken down to purple, or only after you start collecting it?

coarse cape
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as soon as it goes into your cargo bay it starts the countdown

silk delta
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So I can leave quantanium rocks broken down to its purple outline indefinitely without it affecting the countdown when it finally starts getting collected?

coarse cape
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yeah

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unless they changed something in the past week it shouldnt start the countdown until you collect