industrial-professions

[north oyster]

yes, you'll see the building as you come to the landing pad. It'll have two small pads and a blue tower

on aberdeen I go to anderson's (?)

[shy magnet]

i see that

[north oyster]

once you pick up the ROC, be sure to leave the immediate area, don't scan and mine near an outpost

[shy magnet]

hdms anderson

got the armor

[north oyster]

When searching for gems and you find some. Try to land in a level area and make sure the ramp is level to the ground as much as possible. It makes it easier to get in and out of the cutty

When you go to sell, just leave the ROC in the cutty. It will sell from there

I have to run, best of luck. Let us know if you have any questions and share how it goes for you.

[shy magnet]

k

thanks a bunch

[north oyster]

you bet

[shy magnet]

@north oyster

thank you

[north oyster]

Awesome!!!!!!!! For the win!

That made my day

[shy magnet]

[north oyster]

That one run was enough to buy yourself your own ROC. After that you can save up to buy your own Cutlass black or freelancer Max

I use the MAX to transport my ROC. Very easy to get on and off with it

[shy magnet]

is it possible to edit the roc?

like add better parts

[coarse cape]

iirc, no,

but i havent checked the roc out in the vehicle bay in a few months

[north oyster]

No, the ROC is set for now

[tame elbow]

amazing

[ebon moon]

They'll tell you the hangar trick to upgrade your head doesn't work here, but I've heard many instances where it still does. Look up how and try it.

[stuck lynx]

@crimson mantle do yall have your own discord?

[woeful moss]

So, anybody know if routes are better in .13 or can't that be said until it lands in pu?

[crimson mantle]

I do not. Maybe it's something I should look into 🤔

It's hard to tell in the PTU because:

• the activity level is not the same as in LIVE
• the devs will patch the shops even during late PTU: I've seen it happen a number of times previously

[north oyster]

Like SC Trade Tools, said, the PTU doesn't offer the load on the gameloop like Live does. I have run multiple trade routes with no issues at all. BUT I also did that in 3.12 PTU and look what we ended up with 😦

CIG is aware and there is a total rework on cargo and trade coming. They are going to do some type of "patching" for 3.13.x because of the Hercules coming online (of which I'm one of them who is getting one). So we are all hoping for the best

[woeful moss]

thanks for the answers guys

btw love your tool @crimson mantle

[lilac hedge]

i doubt cargo and trade is getting the refactor in 3.13

hopefully by years end, though

[crimson mantle]

I'm cautiously optimistic that the following will help, at least a little bit:

Even if it's just prices/inventory levels

[tame elbow]

hopefully. They said they're keep a close eye on the available trading resources at different place and will be patching it over time

from SC Live:

CURRENTLY THIS PERSON IS SAYING THEY CANNOT BUY ANY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMODITIES. IS THIS BEING LOOKED INTO?

I think it depends on what this person considers significant.

In particular for certain shops and stuff like that they're not supposed to be carrying a hell of a lot of inventory. And also the way we refill that inventory changes and adjusts and basically... Where it's currently at in particular with these changes going in now we will be updating. I guarantee you. We will be updating that. It will just be stuff that happens. I don't know if it can be hotfixed and if it can be then we'll update it right away and it wont require us to do a new patch.``` *-Todd*

I know its a mess of an answer but that's what he said word for word on All About 3.13

lol

[north oyster]

In that same show, while he gave a nod towards getting trade "hotfixed", it was mentioned the total rework (think it was the words he used) that @crimson mantle pointed out. He said towards June/July but sooner the better.

[old lake]

Has anyone been trying the new mining sub components?

I cant be in a game long enough to complete a full mining cycle

[tame elbow]

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[verbal cargo]

are the new babbage roof top cargo deliveries coming back in 3.13?? miss doing those

[thorny copper]

they never left

I've done a couple in 3.12

if its the typical delivery missions you refer to

[verbal cargo]

8k for 1 box,

[tame elbow]

The 1 box deliveries are likely gone forever

[stuck lynx]

yes def look into starting a discord server. It would grow pretty damn fast.

[dim compass]

anyone have any idea why i cant sell my materials ive refined no matter which trade console i go to on any planet? i go to sell tab, choose the ship that hasd the cargo i wish to sell. it shows the mats i have in cargo but i cant sell...

its like this for every terminal i go to

[glacial flicker]

Anyone looking to buy merits?

[tame elbow]

what rate

you do 5 to 1?

[glacial flicker]

I can do that

@tame elbow I have left 67,000 to sell

[teal wing]

Are you trying to sell at the Trade & Development Division / Central Business District terminals at A18, NB or Lorville?

[dim compass]

i went to admin office in lorville and it was the same thing as the picture i showed above

and im trying in A18 and thats where in took that screen shot above

[crimson mantle]

Only the CBD will buy refined ores in Lorville: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Taranite
If that's where you were, it might be a bug 😦

[dim compass]

I'm using your tools rn. thats how i found out these places buy what i have

are their diff trade terminals or something?

[crimson mantle]

Sometimes the console will take a while to populate, give it a moment. Bugs are still possible though.

Yeah, admin vs. CBD vs. TDD are all different shops

they will buy/sell different commodities

[dim compass]

so on a18 which trade terminal do i want to go to? i'm not sure if im at the right one

[crimson mantle]

in Area18, you want to go to the TDD

might be a subway ride away

[dim compass]

ok thanx so much. i think im at the wrong one

YES! ty so much

figured it out.

thanx to you!

[crimson mantle]

Perfect! Glad to be of service

[dim compass]

just a few more questions... the ship your selling the cargo from, does it have to be located on the planet your're trying to sell to? also, if you claim your ship at another planet when it has cargo loaded, do you lose that cargo? So you have to physically fly that ship to where ever you plan on selling to?

[crimson mantle]

• Your ship has to be at the planet, yes
• If you claim your ship, the cargo is lost
• You do have to bring the cargo over to the sell point 🙂

[dim compass]

ok perfect. i figured all that would be the case, it makes sense. LOVE the site btw, super helpful!

[north oyster]

I was underwhelmed by the new subcomponents and their performance. I made sure to pick the highest grade of each one I could find (I think HUR-L2 had a great selection). There was one to remove a % of trash, another to help stabilize and a few others. The combo I went with (don't recall actual) left me unable to tackle large boulders. I needed Surge consumable in the mix. I plan to test a little more today, but not thinking they are useful at this point and need a little more balancing.

Another thing, I've not verified, is that some claim that the subcomponents are not persistent and they get lost like consumables. Which is a rip if you have spent 180K aUEC to outfit a laser head.

[old lake]

Yeah they directly said the sub components will be lost on claim which is a terrible idea

[north oyster]

CIG said that?

[old lake]

I’ve seen some people say the sub components help the mole way more than the prospector

Yeah like either last week or the week before

I think last week

[north oyster]

it's not worth the risk then, heck you could get a 30k on the way to mine and loose your investment. I'll just stick with consumables in that case

If better in MOLE than Prospector, then a balance issue also (imo)

[crimson mantle]

Lost on claim, working as designed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVaqFNTgsk&t=23m55s

[north oyster]

ouch, not interested then

[ornate rock]

that is ... not good design

[north oyster]

concur

[ornate rock]

they probably help the mole more cause of laser stacking

[crimson mantle]

We can hope they change their mind with enough feedback

[ornate rock]

where you just activate the other lasers on low power to get the stability bonus etc

[north oyster]

With Stampede, Surge, and LifeLine (optional), I can crack any rock in the 'verse

with a Prospector

[ornate rock]

where do you even stuff those new thingies?

same slots?

[north oyster]

yes

[ornate rock]

ah... guess it makes sense to tweak a little if you're only using two or even just one consumable for the most part anyway

[north oyster]

Might be worth risking that cost for a stability sub, not sure

[ornate rock]

nah with the things getting lost on claim it really doesn't make sense

sometimes I have to claim ships even if I land them correctly

[north oyster]

I think the wonderful "Half Price Sale" of the Refinery stores is going away in 3.13 also. Sad to see that leave

going to buy a 10pack of the consumables I use, hopefully they will persist across the patch.

[tribal bloom]

do you guys know what the best astroid feild for mining is

[crimson mantle]

https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522MISC%2520Prospector%2520or%2520Argo%2520Mole%2522,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%2522Asteroid%2520field%2522,%2522Lagrangian%2520point%2522%255D,%2522locationTypesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D
Feel free to use the filters to remove the stuff you don't care about

[tribal bloom]

thank you

[glacial flicker]

200,000 merits for sale

[tribal bloom]

what are merits

[north oyster]

Prison credits. But the post not in agreement with forum rules

[teal ridge]

Anyone know what's the best Rock to mine in the prospector? Location? Sell location?

[crimson mantle]

Stock prospector, or upgraded?

[teal ridge]

I could buy the it? What's the best lazer as well

[crimson mantle]

You can check https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-12.18373/

Once you know the basics, feel free to give a look to:

• https://sc-trade.tools/mining
• https://sc-trade.tools/ores/MISC Prospector or Argo Mole
• https://sc-trade.tools/deposits/Granite Deposit

[teal ridge]

Not a fan of reading. Probably could take someone 60 seconds to say what location to mine and sell

I got the cat the other day so if I mine in the prospector, I can make use of the cat

[crimson mantle]

• Daymar has the most value per volume
• If you want to stick to Quant, the moons of microTech are the best
• If you want to stay in space the L3 have the most quant

You can sell there: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Quantainium

That being said, 3.13 is just around the corner: things might change 🙂

[teal ridge]

I think I'd like to mine on a planet especially if I can sell there as well very handy. I guess if I get 30k while mining I lose the cargo or if when I go to sell it ☺️ when an order is complete and I have to pick the cat, what exactly do I do with the cat

If I mine at micro, where can I sell because I hate the who train ride. So what would be the second best planet to mine and selling point

I only want to mine Quant

[crimson mantle]

You can mine at the moons of microTech for Quant, then sell the raw ore at MIC-L1 Shallow Frontier Station

[teal ridge]

What lazer do I need that's the best

I'm never at micro, so I don't mine on micro just the moons around it?

[crimson mantle]

It's a bit nuanced in 3.12: https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-12.18373/#post-354235
one or the other, but you might need consumables

[teal ridge]

Do people just sell it raw or get a business to refine it? Is there a big difference money wise

[thorny copper]

Yes its considerably more valuable refined

[teal ridge]

Right so mine moons at micro, refine them at mic l1 but where do I sell the refined

[crimson mantle]

Any of the big cities: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Quantainium
(But only the big cities)

[teal ridge]

Thanks, you're very helpful

[thorny copper]

Indeed he be

[teal ridge]

I think I'll just rent it for the day and see if I like it so where should I mine with a rented one and what rocks should I stick with?

[north oyster]

it's about a 40 to 50% difference in what you get. However, in 3.12 with the refinery bug, selling your refined ore is the issue. I tell folks that selling raw allows faster turn around and also voiding the common issue of getting hung up at the TDD not able to sell very fast. Took me two days once with a small load in a cutty.

For 3.12 I'd suggest selling raw or mining with the ROC. Not sure what 3.13 will offer, this problem isn't directly addressed by CIG but I'm confident they are aware of it.

[north oyster]

Renting a Prospector normally doesn't go great. The default laser if very limited and you can only attach one consumable. If you were going to rent anything, I would rent the Cutlass Black/ROC combo and get the Pembroke armor (at the refinery store). This offers much greater profit, much faster and without any of the limitations that you have with the Prospector rental.

[tame elbow]

you can't

protip: shut off your engines while mining

it will cool it down quicker

[crimson mantle]

The only real way is to note down the distance to the nearest 3 objects (outposts, oms, etc.)

[glacial flicker]

thats a lot

[tranquil pike]

how much I can make with a prospector in 3 hours?

mining

oh

interesting

you need to use 2 ships?

LOL

okay

most of them are outdated

thx sir

[north oyster]

I'd hold off on Prospector until maybe 3.13 drops

And renting a Prospector isn't a great money earner

Unless you change the laser head

They say you can change it in your hanger, I've not tried that yet because I own a prospector

[tranquil pike]

why?

[north oyster]

This current patch has a lot of challenges with refinery and selling what you refine

3.13 will be dropping middle of next week or sooner

You can make a whole lot more money mining with a ROC

[tranquil pike]

oh ok

[tranquil pike]

for free?

if you rent of course

[north oyster]

One trip in a ROC will net you 150K to 220K aUEC. You can rent the Cutlass Black, ROC and buy Pembroke armor for under 55K aUEC. Go to Aberdeen or Arial. Sell the gems at the outpost on the moon you are mining. If the outpost has "mining" in it's name, you will make about 10% more profit.

You can rent them at the Refinery Store, HUR-L1 or HUR-L2

[tranquil pike]

I'm already mining with a roc and a cutlass that I bought

[north oyster]

Most awesome. The Prospector is fun and worth buying. Renting is a little rough.

If you decide to rent for this weekend. I would just sell raw (40% less profit but faster turn around)

[tranquil pike]

If I rent it to make the money to buy it then it's good?

[north oyster]

you will make money faster with the ROC than Prospector rental

[tranquil pike]

bruh

[north oyster]

Rental will limit what rocks you can crack, only smaller <5K rocks

[tranquil pike]

oh

[north oyster]

The OEM laser head is about worthless

[tranquil pike]

you cant refine minerals you mined with the ROC right?

[north oyster]

No need, they are gems

[tranquil pike]

ok

I'll do a lot of bounties and mining until I have the cash to buy a prospector then

[north oyster]

I lost big time the first two times I rented a Prospector but I learned a lot. But I eventually bought one and it was worth it

I now have 3 so that I don't have to wait for insurance claim LOL

[tranquil pike]

LOL

[north oyster]

If you buy the Prospector, HUR-L2 has the Helix at half price

[tranquil pike]

oh

[north oyster]

Next patch, the half price sell for the Refinery Store is gone

[tranquil pike]

anyways I would have checked on erkul

[north oyster]

I would upgrade the power plant and shields, take the guns off and run the Helix laser head

[tranquil pike]

take guns off? hum

[north oyster]

they are worthless anyway and they take power away from the laser head

[tranquil pike]

just don't run into people lmao

[north oyster]

you can't do anything even if you do and have guns

[tranquil pike]

oh lol

[north oyster]

I normally stay 50k or greater from outpost.

One trick is to drop to the planet surface from an orbital marker

If you do this, it will take about 3 or 4 minutes. Go ahead and flip to get ready to burn once you enter atmosphere, or you might crater

[tranquil pike]

👍

[north oyster]

If you drop from OM-1, it is always daylight there. OM-1 is on the north axis and is always pointing to the star

[tranquil pike]

wow

[north oyster]

Pro-Tip, LOL

[tranquil pike]

xD

I see that

[north oyster]

I use that for mining in the ROC also

You can also do that when mining in the Prospector if you want. I use to crack the rocks then pick them up. I would also box them in the Prospector. It's faster to move it from the ROC to armor storage but it's fun to get out of the ship once in awhile.

NEVER crack more than two rocks though

It will KILL your frame rate if you break too many rocks apart

you can also have two sets of armor and make twice as much

[crimson mesa]

On the PTU is there still a risk if you log out in ship bed you get infinite loading screen?

[reef narwhal]

On which moon?

Any?

[hoary monolith]

all planets/moons

[reef narwhal]

Nice! That is a pro tip and a half, Cheers!!

[north oyster]

Like tektrixter mentioned, all the planets. For the moons, the OM are about 140km above the surface. For the planets, these OM are 450km above the surface. Planet dive will take about 7 minutes, moons take about 3

[reef narwhal]

So OM-1 for what could be the North, whats the OM for the opposite pole? Or does that depend on the planet/moon? I've never delved too far into this tbh

[hollow sedge]

You know... the Cutty sure is a nice ship for ROC mining.
But this one's much better.

[north oyster]

Can't tell, is that the MSR?

[glacial flicker]

anyone need merits?

[subtle cradle]

Are you claiming the 600i is better than the cutty for roc transport @hollow sedge?

Not my experience at all

[blissful oxide]

@crimson mantle followed your advice for Quanta mining
Damn, you were so right
Found 7 quanta rocks in a same spot, all with 15-30%
Made close to 1M in one run 😄

[white dove]

MSR good roc transport

[sharp rune]

is anyone else having trouble getting TDD's to work after PU went down yesterday? I cant get any menus to load and when they do it doesnt show any of the ship with refined materials.. all my poor mining 😦

Even the normal trade panels dont wanna work

[glacial flicker]

anyone need any merits?

[crimson mantle]

Nice find! Only 2.6% of quant clusters have 7 rocks!

[hollow sedge]

All the doors and elevators can be a bit annoying, but at least they work.
But the major difference is in handling, and visibility.
The 600i is just cruising in comfort, while in Cutty you gotta constantly struggle with the controls, so you won't hit the ground.

[hollow sedge]

How fun is mining in this game i want to get into it since it seem very relaxing

Is it somehow similar to elite dangerous mining?

[pallid temple]

No

[hoary monolith]

It is relaxing, but nothing like ED. Get enough credits to rent a Cutlass black and a ROC and try it out.

[shy magnet]

for roc mining is it better to get in your ship and fly around to scan? or just scan in the roc

[ornate rock]

did prices for ranta dung and amioshi plague increase on the PTU? cause...

I remember that they were effectively worthless back when they were first introduced, I just picked them up for fun

I get more monies for 5 pieces of poop than for 8 chunks of hadanite

[tribal palm]

Scan from your ship

only look at stuff that shows up under 2000m away

stuff that shows up from further away is larger deposits you can't mine with ROC

[shy magnet]

k thank you

[next solstice]

wow 10!!

and they all sucked, RIP

[tribal palm]

I saw some youtube video where the guy found 16 in one spot... I think 7 is the most I've ever come across (and they usually suck lol)

[tribal palm]

can you mine the larger deposits you would normally use the Prospector for if you have multiple ROC?

[hollow sedge]

Probably no...
But you could try.

[pallid temple]

No, you can't

[teal ridge]

Best planets to mine quantamium?

[crimson mantle]

Same as yesterday 😄
microTech's moons

If you mean planet planet, then microTech itself is the only choice at all 🙂

[teal ridge]

@crimson mantle oh yeah lol someone told me to to crusader plantes and I didn't find shit

Yes I mean mine an actual planet planet

[subtle cradle]

No mining on the Crusader planet lol

[teal ridge]

Planets around crusader lol

[subtle cradle]

It's moons

[crimson mantle]

The crusader moons have exactly half as much as microTech's: https://bit.ly/3v3WlEp

[subtle cradle]

Not planets

[teal ridge]

My bad mine moons. Right so I can mine quantamium on microtech

May go buy a prospector as the rented one isn't good

[teal ridge]

@crimson mantle what's up with mic l1? It's not there lol

Fine found it

[teal ridge]

@crimson mantle is there a good spot on clio to mine quantamium? Keep getting diamonds and laranite

[rigid rapids]

will this get me a lotof money?

wait

i have no storage option

can i sell it without selecting a storage option?

[pallid temple]

No

[teal ridge]

@rigid rapids you probably need to fix/ claim a ship you want to move the goods in

[rigid rapids]

i have a prospect

and a mustang

which will work?

[pallid temple]

Neither

[rigid rapids]

so i shoudve gone 400 by 400

so the mats are stuck?

[teal ridge]

You need a ship to move your refined goods that's if you did refine them. Some use a cutty black some use other ships. Rent a cutty black or something

[rigid rapids]

OK

30k yaay

[crimson mantle]

It's all random unfortunetly

If you want somewhere with "almost only" quantainium rocks, head over to the L3 asteroid fields.

[rigid rapids]

can u put refined ore into a party members cargo?

[crimson mantle]

Unfortunately no, only in your own ships 😦

[tardy flower]

You can rent a cargo ship 😉
Cutlass black on rafenery station do thé job

[dusky kernel]

how is cargo hauling these days?

any better

[subtle cradle]

It's very bad

Cant sell most cargo as shop will buy very limited amounts

[dusky kernel]

still

[ashen burrow]

If some1 interested or wana learn mining as well I am looking for group for Argo mole

[static quarry]

Man I used to love space trucking. Chill on chat. Make decent money. Sightsee Stanton. I hope it gets there again

[north oyster]

I'm thinking it will. Next few months it'll have some hot fixes but look for the whole system to get a total rework

I have a Hercules C2 on delivery, I didn't buy it to haul Tonks

[north oyster]

I need to drive into the Tools website, but since PO is now a hot zone, is there other good spots to sell scrap? It's it all space stations?

*in 3.13 PO will be open season on everyone

[crimson mantle]

From the PTU data, nowhere comes even close to PO 😢

[north oyster]

This is sad

[pliant matrix]

same I'll haul scraps instead xD

[north oyster]

That's why I was asking SC Trade about scrap options

But hopefully by that time something will be adjusted a little

[unique lion]

They nuke CRU L1?
That one used to buy tons of scrap as well

[crimson mantle]

Oh you can buy scrap alright, but it looks like only PO will buy it in any meaningful quantities

And PO will not have a safe zone in 3.13

[warm marten]

Besides mining is there any huge cargo carrying missions? Not three stupid boxes

[crimson mantle]

Not at the moment

You can buy and sell cargo yourself, but there are no missions for it

[warm marten]

Buy cargo?

[north oyster]

This will probably come about at the of June/July as they work in a game loop that will support the Hull series

Trade at this time is a "you buy it, you own it, you sell it* model

[warm marten]

Where do u buy cargo?

[north oyster]

Check SC Trade Tools, but basically all over the verse at a variety of The Outpost and stations

It's what you buy that is the challenge because there has to be enough supply and demand, right now in this patch it is broken badly and I would not recommend getting involved in it. Wait until 3.13 drops into live

[warm marten]

Any news when that’s getting dropped?

[north oyster]

My speculation is maybe by Thursday

But it's anybody's guess at this time

[warm marten]

Why specifically by then?

What’s ur reasoning?

[north oyster]

Because of prior patches going to open PTU testing, which means any and everybody can come into it

It sort of indicates they are more confident in it, even though this patch does have some challenges that need to be overcome

[warm marten]

Yeh true

Thanks anyways man 👍

[north oyster]

👍

[subtle cradle]

Isn't trading in 3.13 just as bad?

[north oyster]

It could be, often for fixes and modifications in that area cig doesn't really let us know what they do

[subtle cradle]

That is what I've heard from people in ptu

[north oyster]

During this patch they repaired the freelancer max which really surprised me, it had terrible thrusters now they work

[ornate rock]

I've not heard anything about the refinery glitch, so... that might be good

[north oyster]

Unfortunately that glitch will not show up until the system is under full load, but we're all hoping that it is gone

The trade runs that I have done in the PTU have been fantastic, but that is not a good representation of what we will see in live

Except for that one time when I stepped through the planet after loading up my cat with Laranite and titanium, that was fun and a quarter of a million dollar loss

[thorny copper]

From what I heard the dupe glitch was not reproducable in ptu so that's promising

[subtle cradle]

Awesome

[rigid rapids]

i cant scan asteroids

is there a fix?

[rigid rapids]

hello fellow miners

ive found a 30% quantanium rock

i cant mine it

anyone wanna help me plz?

[crimson mantle]

You can try to move in closer to the rock. Sometimes overclocking your laser gives it an extra edge.

Otherwise, you have to stock up on consumables for situations like this.

[rigid rapids]

im practically touching it

and i have helix drill bit

[crimson mantle]

Helix is not as meta anymore in 3.12

Hopefully you can get it, or sell it to someone in the server by creating a beacon. That rock is better than 90% of the quant rocks out there!

[rigid rapids]

how

u

create

beacon

plz

tell

[crimson mantle]

Well, either get in a party with someone, you will show up for them and they can come to you.

Or use the tab in the mobiglass after you sold it.

So they know your location and can come to you.

[rigid rapids]

hello

[crimson mantle]

You cannot mark it for yourself to come back at a later point though 😦

[rigid rapids]

anyone wanna buy my 30% quantam asteroid?

nooooooooo

[crimson mantle]

You can check https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-12.18373/#post-354235 for info on mining heads in 3.12. It's a bit nuanced now.

[outer orchid]

Hi. Is there a way to mark a spot so I can go back there in another opportunity?

[river cove]

Want to try some planet mining in test best place? and equipment?

I have a cat to load

[odd hinge]

Not really. Can't really make beacons right now. Can try leaving behind a vehicle

But stuff like ore etc despawns anyway if you get too far away

[pallid temple]

You can use box delivery missions as a marker

[north oyster]

in the PTU? I wouldn't waste time in 3.12 Live build because of refinery time and potential issues selling off your refined ore.

They will reset the refineries, so you will loose all jobs when 3.13 goes live

Yela is great for surface mining with the Prospector. As well as Daymar and Aberdeen.

[long cosmos]

Does anyone else has refinery issues? I have 2 finished jobs but can't collect them.

[north oyster]

Make sure you ship is large enough and also it is not set to a different station. What size ship are you putting the job in?

[long cosmos]

That's my problem it won't show any ships to select from. I only have the Misk Prospector.

[hoary monolith]

you need to have a cargo ship to recieve the order - you can rent one at the refinery deck

[long cosmos]

Thank you I'll give that a try.

[hoary monolith]

your best bet is to get enough credits to buy a cutalss black to transport cargo and as a good small mulit-role craft

its also good for bounty hunting up to MRT/HRT

[long cosmos]

Do you know how much the cutlass is in game?

[hoary monolith]

https://starcitizen.tools/Cutlass_Black

1,385,300 aUEC

[long cosmos]

Not to bad. But an old lady has to do a lot of netting for that.

[hoary monolith]

add 500k to get it fully outfitted for bounty hunting

its something to work towards

[long cosmos]

True that. I have been doing mostly mining and its a slow process.

[hoary monolith]

a good way to generate credits is to rent a cutty and ROC and go mining on Ariel or Alberdeen

sell the gems at the local mining station on the moon

its a faster gaming loop and avoids the refinery/selling issues in 3.12

[long cosmos]

Interesting.

Thank you for the tips I'll give that a try.

[hoary monolith]

you should break even on your first run and after that it's profit

[long cosmos]

I am just hesitant buying anything in-game cause I always am afraid of resetting everything else.

[hoary monolith]

only get Hadinite or Dolivine

https://sc-trade.tools/mining

[long cosmos]

Cool thanks.

[outer orchid]

True that.

[long cosmos]

In regards to resets on updates is this only for money or for items too?

[hoary monolith]

only major updates come with a wipe

there hasent been one in over a year

a full wipe will set you back to only things you've paid real money for

[long cosmos]

I see. Thank you

[hoary monolith]

which is why my pledge ship is a cutty black - regardless of what the meta is after a wipe I have a multi-role ship that can get me going

[long cosmos]

Good point.

[dusky kernel]

how is the drug trade is it the same as cargo

[crimson mantle]

It's viable in small quantities

[hoary monolith]

treat it as a bonus, not a main cargo

can take a while to sell off

[north oyster]

the quantities are extremely limited in the selling side. You can only off load a very small amount each cycle. You'd be there a month trying to sell off a CAT load or drugs

[subtle cradle]

You'll be there until first disconnect as there's no vehicle storage where you sell your dope

[plain belfry]

yo bois. Any tip where to sell ore or refinered ore? Is there any market which show me where is the best price?

[crimson mantle]

The big cities are your only choice, but with the dupe exploit it's very challenging 😦
You can try in the off hours.

[plain belfry]

many thanks!

[crimson mantle]

Some places may buy more than others though, you can look up which ones here: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities

[plain belfry]

alright, thank you much

[tardy flower]

Greetings everyone, Can de know how drugs trade will be in 3.13? 😉

[crimson mantle]

From the PTU files: there's some improvements, but I'm waiting for the final patch to call it.

[tardy flower]

Nice...Can i know what kind of improvements ?

[crimson mantle]

The "No Questions Asked" Trading Consoles may be coming back

[tardy flower]

And drugs lab still have quantum mark on the starmap ? 🤬

[crimson mantle]

So far, there are no hidden locations that I could find: everything is on the starmap.

All of this is heavily tentative: they regularly change things during PTU

[tardy flower]

I hope this. I prefer when drugs lab was hidden locations.

[plain belfry]

guys, did you somebody try to load ROC to Freelancer? Does it works?

[pliant matrix]

It's not the best but it fits

Enter slow and with arm extended

[plain belfry]

@pliant matrix alright, thank you ❤️

[brisk totem]

Why are people saying cargo was bad in 3.12 and what are they doing (so far) to fix this in 3.13 if at all?

[ember star]

Because demand is low so you cant sell it. It's partly because of an exploit. I dont believe 3.13 has addressed the issue.

[brisk totem]

okay

thankyou

[crimson mantle]

There was also an issue with duping the refinery jobs. That may have been fixed and, if so, will help the general state of trading.

[north oyster]

There was what was originally called the "Refinery bug" that would cause ore that was refined and then put in a ship to suddenly bug out and turn into "infinite cargo". The TDD would say you had 12 Billion aUEC worth of cargo. Of course, you could only sell so much at a time. This totally jammed the trade terminals. Once I did a trade run from T&M on Celin to Area18 TDD (diamonds) and it sold on one pass. Then a few days later that same trade run took two days to sell everything.

[north oyster]

I"m thinking it has been addressed and different CIG comments are claiming trade will be "much improved". We won't know anything until it is placed under full load in Live PU.

[devout adder]

o7 Peeps. SO! Where's the best place to pick up a ROC right now?
edit
N/m i figured it out.

[north oyster]

Great feature of the new 3.13 patch coming out: Vehicle engines will now have a off/on keybind!!!! YES, this is awesome for those who use the ROC. Happy, happy

[gentle spade]

Hello, where are good places to go Prospector mining?

[toxic crown]

cruL3

@gentle spade

also

does anyone know

why the lancet mH2

sounds so goddamn loud

my ears hurt

[gentle spade]

Thanks o7

[toxic crown]

me+3 buds are using a MOLE

and we put 1 helix 2 lancets

the lancets are SO LOUD

[gentle spade]

Also, what can I expect to get in terms of % for, let's say, Quantainium?

[toxic crown]

thats probably the best place to mine quantanium

[crimson mantle]

Exactly this: https://sc-trade.tools/deposits/Asteroid (Q-Type) 😄

[tame elbow]

I gave up on mining quant

it keeps bugging and poofing when I land on the pad

[gentle spade]

Thank you!

[plain belfry]

Hey guys, i have a question, is quantanium from refinery volatile? Than, i need to transport for selling it somewhere... (sorry i dont know correct word xd)

[pallid temple]

Once quantanium has been refined it is no longer volatile

[plain belfry]

@pallid temple THANK YOU MUCH. Your answer helps me a lot...

[north oyster]

Most anywhere but if Moon side, then Yela is a great spot. Aberdeen also is really good.

Quan mining is most successful in the asteroid belts. CRU is said to have the highest concentrations there

For Prospector, the Lancet is popular for Quantainium but you will also want a few consumables like Surge, etc.

I use the Helix by default and rarely have to use consumables but its good to have them onhand.

[dull moat]

I picked up a bunch of boxes from debris, how do I sell them?

[crimson mantle]

Out them in the cargo grid of your ship and look where those commodities are sold: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities

[dull moat]

thank you. My 325a doesn't have a grid, what should I do?

[crimson mantle]

Oh the 300 series 🙂
You can try putting them in the habitat, there's a chance it might work.

If not you're not losing much, those few units won't make or break you.

[subtle cradle]

325a has the cargo elevator

Or does it still not work?

[crimson mantle]

Last time I tried it wasn't exactly "functional"

[subtle cradle]

Yeah I remember now, it wouldnt go up again. But iirc the boxes stayed on the cargo grid even through QT

[dull moat]

yeah elevator was tough, so I put all 15+ boxes on my bed

I found my way to a trading terminal thingy on a smaller station

I see a guy and a terminal next to him, he says "the terminal is your best bet"

the boxes inside the ship don't shop up on the terminal, I also carried a single box with me to the terminal

but cannot figure it out.

[crimson mantle]

A station or a planet-side shop?

[dull moat]

Station

apparently they also sell nothing

[crimson mantle]

Do the boxes show up under your ship? Even if not in the main selling area?

The terminal may just be bugged if they sell nothing

you can wait a bit

[crimson mantle]

ok so you will be able to sell those, once the terminal loads

they are recognised as "in your ship"

*if the station buys them

[dull moat]

I guess they don't sell them. Alright then. How do I go about refueling?

[crimson mantle]

sit in your ship on the pad, power it up, bring up your mobiglass, go to the wrench app, select refueling and wait a bit

[dull moat]

ok

everything is unavailable, even if I'm at INS-Jericho, whose description says "repair and refuel"

[crimson mantle]

Repair and refueling has been touch & go for a while unfortunately 😦

[dull moat]

Huh.

Seems like I'm unable to do anything in this game.

Oh well.

[crimson mantle]

Wait, I just realised: were you at the dynamic event location? INS-Jericho was only used during the xenothreat attack, it's otherwise useless: they offer no services whatsoever.

Try literally anywhere else and it will have a much better chance of working.

[dull moat]

it's nice that the description says it does

thx.

[pliant matrix]

Considering last patch note does it mean véhicules like roc won't fall from nomad or Connie's?

That'd be amazing

[pallid temple]

There's been good results so far

[pliant matrix]

I liked nomad but didn't kept it because of elevator being unusable with roc

[daring vale]

I just hope trading is fixed...

It would be nice to buy and sell a full hold of medical supplies now and then...

[pliant matrix]

One thing at a time. Elevator problems are at least 2-3 yes old. Maybe more. It's good news if it's on its way to be fully solved

[left hemlock]

Trying to decide on a multi-role ship for my next purchase. I'm trying to decide between one of the Freelancer, an Avenger, Connie, or Valkyrie. Some of these have some emergent gameplay options which aren't quite there yet, like the Avenger and Constellation. Basically -- which one will end up being the most fun.

The avenger seems interesting, but can't really handle cargo at the moment, and unlikely to ever be able to fit a vehicle.

I don't quite understand why the Valkyire can only cary 30 SCUs, except that maybe the drop ship area of the hold isn't considered part of the cargo grid?

[crimson mantle]

While those are indeed multi-role, they all heavily lean towards one/two gameplay. Things to consider:

• budget (be it $ or UEC)
• crew requirements (you'll have to repair modules in the long run!)
• visibility/handling
• overlap with your other ships, etc.
  In the end, try to check some tours/guide and forge your own opinion.

Don't forget you can rent most, if not all of those, in-game for very cheap.

The valk can only stack boxes 1 high, because reasons 😄

[left hemlock]

Renting is why I'm basically not considering the Cutlass - cheap enough to just rent whenever needed.

[crimson mantle]

What I meant was, there's no need to speculate: rent them and check for yourself which is the most fun for you 🙂

[left hemlock]

Handling always makes for more fun. Despite looking the most aerodynamic, the Avenger doesn't seem to be either fast or maneuverable, at least on paper.

True.

Waiting for fleet week to run them through their paces.

The other option would just to get something completely frivolous like a 350r

[thorny copper]

unless you need the bed or interior space, the M50 is much more fun

I don't really want to pledge for a second ship but if I ever were it would probably be an M50

[left hemlock]

Hm. Interesting. How is the sideslip / thrusters on the M50 as compared to the 350r?

[thorny copper]

I don't know the numbers between them, but its definitely faster and more nimble in either direction

at least for now

this stuff could of course change later

but this is probably a better discussion for #flight-combat-racing or just in general star-citizen

[left hemlock]

ofc

[north oyster]

The Freelancer MAX is a great ship. I use it for the ROC and offers excellent RORO with a wide ramp. The cargo carry is good (120 SCU? I think). I've used it exclusively and keep my cutty on standby reserve.

Oh, ok, didn't see was looking for fighter, scratch that

The combo MAX/ROC and along with the Prospector has made it where I can purchase any ship ingame if I want it.

[left hemlock]

Funny thing, it's pretty easy to steal a Freelancer MIS from an NPC, and with a full load of missiles it's a versatile ride. I've managed to reliably get a ROC loaded into one - you just have to get a running start.

[dull moat]

Any suggestions for what to do with my friend on our next gameplay session? Spent hours trying to haul cargo crates from debris to no avail. Had other big bugs, some even making the game unplayable. In short, we did nothing useful for 4-5 hours because there was always a bug or undocumented feature such as not being to refuel at INS Jericho preventing us, so we just gave up.

what actually works in this game?

If we go mining, will it just suddenly blow us up, indicating it's not well-implemented yet?
If we go bounty hunting, are we just going to meet hammerheads and notice you can't do this with smaller ships?
If we go trading, are we just going to find something broken again?

[pliant matrix]

Alpha TM

But well bounty hunting works well just pick the good missions

Mining is decent but you're never safe from a server crash or pirate attack

Be a pirate also if you want to be the one bothering people

You can even trade but again pick stuff that are easy and less risky to trade

There are things to do in this "game" just remember it's not a finished one

[dull moat]

Yeah thanks. How to tell apart the good missions or better stuff to trade?

[pliant matrix]

@crimson mantle know better for trade things.

For bounties just do VHRT missions it's doable alone and you wont meet too difficult enemies

except if you're flying auroras or mustang xD

[short hamlet]

The main issue about mining is that if you encounter server crash, also known as 30k (error code 30000), you will lose all cargo on the ship, otherwise it is ok

bounty hunting difficulty is clearly defined by the target level, which you will get an idea about what to expect after a few tries. Hammerhead will only appear on ERT difficulty, which you most likely haven't even unlocked yet. Even at lower difficulty, bounty hunting can still bring in good income steadily. At higher difficulty it is easily the most profitable profession. (Not sure if upcoming 3.13 change this)

Heard trading is improved in 3.13, not sure how it works, maybe others can share the opinion

[dull moat]

thx

[short hamlet]

I would suggest you do bounty hunting to get some steady income first, then try mining and trading. It is almost certain CIG will rebalance the economy in the future and bounty hunting might no longer be the money printer it is right now, so it is best to know how everything works

I just scrolled up and saw that you have a 325a, it is literally capable of killing even Hammerhead once you have some experience in combat and know what loadout to use (might change in the future if they improve server stability and ai performance..etc, this game is not supposed to be as easy as it is right now)

[north oyster]

The new patch coming out this week (the rumor) claims to be more stable in a number of factors. Depending on what ships you have access to, the Bounties are great with a Hurricane that two people fly. That is a beast of a ship in fire power.
Mining is great team play in the MOLE, but that might be a little expensive to start off with (I don't know if you can rent those or not). But I would wait for the new patch before mining.
ROC can be rented dirt cheap for about 4K. If you have a ship like a Freelancer MAX or Valkyrie, you can carry both at the same time. The ROC game loop is excellent pay also. Each ROC can average 150K to 220K per run.

[dull moat]

thanks dan

[north oyster]

Is it with you and one other mate?

[dull moat]

yeah us two, best ships we own are 325A and a hornet

[pliant matrix]

I'd say do some bounties to save enough to buy a cutlass and two ROC then go mining in it

or rent this all too but I like to own my ships 😛

[north oyster]

remember if you go the route with the ROC, you will also need to buy the Pembroke Armor set for places like Aberdeen, Arial and Daymar. Yela will need the Novski (spell?)

[short hamlet]

325A and hornet together will easily kill any bounties once you get used to combat

[woven dust]

Can I fit a roc into a Cutlass?

[crimson mantle]

Yes, without any issue 🙂

[woven dust]

Woo!

[knotty bear]

I love mining tbh and cargo it’s fun

[bright star]

Ok is there an issue with scanning rocks atm?

Hopped two different servers. Unable to scan a single rock.

[crimson mantle]

It's a frequent problem with a bunch of ad-hoc solutions, but you may just have to move on to the next rock :/

[bright star]

Real shame

[crimson mantle]

Some people will say to exit the prospector and EVA out to a certain distance, then come back in, etc.
It may just be time-related. Hard to tell 😦

[bright star]

It's very inconsistent. The other day had this problem, but still managed to scan afterwards. Today, it just doesn't seem to work at all.

[crimson mantle]

Well, 3.13 is just around the corner, with whole new unscannable asteroids! 😄

[bright star]

Oh yes please!

[crimson mesa]

I enjoy ROC mining. I don't enjoy having to go back to a station before logging off to avoid the infinite loading screen bug. That's what has happened to me when loggin out in my ship and trying to return later to continue mining

[woven dust]

Do ships work as spawn points if you used a bed and die running around on the ROC?

[astral crystal]

no

only for logout

[woven dust]

Guess I'll be extra careful, mining in a ROC as dangerous as hand mining?

[astral crystal]

well the medbay in cutlass red, carrack, etc can be set for respawn point

[astral crystal]

depends on the server performance

[woven dust]

Oh, neat. Didn't know that about med bays, real reason to bring one along.

[pliant matrix]

Also don't mine near outpost. I usually go 100-200km away in a random direction to avoid pirates

[woven dust]

Like PC pirates or NPC? Saw someone in a red Gladius named pirate something dive bomb and blow up someone's 890 jump at olisar.

[pliant matrix]

Players

[woeful moss]

PC pirates that kill you and loot all your gems

[pliant matrix]

It's common to make a blocks around a station and make people pay for access

Or just kill for fun

[toxic crown]

@dull moat dont bother mining

or cargo hauling

waste of time

you make 10x more money and learn 10x more about the game doing bounties

takes a 5 min youtube video to learn how to mine

[woeful moss]

Dont bother doing bounties, mining or cargo hauling. Get into the slave trade and let others work for you, you make 100x more money and don't have to learn nothing about the game!

[toxic crown]

1. go to crusader
2. accept all VHRT group and single bounties
3. kill all crusader bounties
4. fly to hurston
5. accept all VHRT group and single bounties
6. kill all hurston bounties
7. repeat step 1

youll make way more money than cargo hauling or mining

like not even close

for the hammerhead missions just wait behind an asteroid far away and they just slam into them

easy 90k w/ call to arms enabled

@dull moat

[woven dust]

Sir, if anyone is going to slam into asteroids it's going to be me.

[toxic crown]

hello hammerhead driver

[woven dust]

I pilot

[toxic crown]

the UEE would like to send you to training

asteroid avoidance training

you see those BIG rocks?

DONT HIT THEM

[woven dust]

It's a big ship and hammers break rocks. Basic science.

[toxic crown]

damn youre right

i can see how the uninformed may take the ship name the wrong way

youd think it would destroy the asteroid on the way to its foe

like some train w no brakes

[woven dust]

Yep, you just need to get some proper angular velocity to break the rocks up.

[toxic crown]

now THATS mining!!!

none of this laser shit

just slam into the rocks w a hammerhead

[woven dust]

Follow me for additional mining tips

[dull moat]

Thanks, will try these out for sure.

[reef narwhal]

anyone else having issues with terminals not responding when trying to sell shit?

[manic whale]

They arent buying shit

[lavish monolith]

Is trading in 3.13 better? Like, can you actually buy stuff in medium quantity? Like freelancer MAX?

[ebon moon]

I could always fill a cat with scrap in 3.12

[north oyster]

Yes, Trading was pretty solid in the PTU - HOWEVER, sometimes that does not translate to LIVE PU all the time. The primary culprit, the refinery bug, should not be active. We can only hope.

[north oyster]

PO won't be a nice place to sell scrap in 3.13

[lavish monolith]

okay, wanted to try trading a bit more in 3.13. Will try a route now aswell

On live

[north oyster]

I did several runs in a MAX with Astatine from 61 to A18 TDD and that went great. They also seem to have fixed the thrusters and Lights in the MAX, which is very welcome change.

I did several CAT runs of blended laranite and titanium with no issues

[lavish monolith]

wanted to do MAX from a station on MT I think to the TDD on NB with Astatine

okay

[north oyster]

I'm guessing you just land at the Commons and run in the backdoor to do that? Sure better than all the time to travel from the space station

[lavish monolith]

yep

[north oyster]

I think the Astatine is around an 16k to 18k haul profit

[lavish monolith]

I think up to 24k

at least thats what SC Trade tools says

idk if thats corrcet

[north oyster]

I've not gotten over 20k in the ArcCorp, so I think the market will fluctuate

[lavish monolith]

hm k

[north oyster]

I hope they open other stations other than PO for scrap, that's not going to be a good run any longer

Today's patch said something about increasing the delivery mission pay out in Hurston ... I'm wondering why only Hurston.

[lavish monolith]

is scrap trading worth it with the freelancer max?

[north oyster]

No, not really, a full CAT is only about 20k

[lavish monolith]

hm okay

[north oyster]

It was to avoid an empty run

[lavish monolith]

ah ok

also, when I land in a hanger with something in it, should i store it directly when I get to the main lobby?

[north oyster]

I do as a rule

you don't have too

[lavish monolith]

I always thought it would despawn xD

thats why I ran for my life

[north oyster]

it just times out and gets stowed, you keep the merchandise

[lavish monolith]

okay good to know

[north oyster]

Quantainium is the only thing that requires a panic run

And stow it as fast as possible

So can't wait for my Hercules C2 ... but I have enjoyed the CAT. I also am excited about the MAX getting tweaked with thrusters, that makes large planets ok to land on now

[lavish monolith]

yeah i just changed my mind, doing a laranite run lol

[woeful moss]

I think it's volatile missions

[north oyster]

it is, just thought it odd that increase for Hurston but not MT or AC (if arccorp has those)

[ebon moon]

That's fine, I was making a reference to 3.12

[north oyster]

In the PTU Port Olisar turned into a shooting gallery. I think they adjusted the "zone" so that station defenses will react. I haven't check it out this morning.

[ebon moon]

Isn't that a good thing?

[north oyster]

It would be nice if the station defenses worked in a free fire zone, yes

[pallid temple]

Yeah they incorrectly adjusted the zone, and now adjusted it to 20km

[north oyster]

Any feed back Doc if that has helped or "assisted" at all?

[pallid temple]

Oh I gave up on the PTU weeks ago

And it won't let me install it even if I wanted to check

[north oyster]

rgr, sry to hear that. I'll see if I can check it out later unless they roll it out Live before I get back home

[pallid temple]

People are pretty vocal about changes concerning PvP anyway

[north oyster]

it's an odd setup in this game. Can't claim to want to be balanced then allow lawless marauding with no consequences.

I'm all for folks having PvP fun, but total free for all isn't a game

[pallid temple]

The solution is halfway here, but said solution doesn't work 100% of the time because the servers are absolute shite

[north oyster]

concur, LOL

[pallid temple]

Like those turrets at PO and the R&R stations will fuck you up if they can track you

[north oyster]

I'd like to see them in action and being halfway accurate but like you mention, "IF they can track you"

[pallid temple]

Like they'll fuck you up less in 3.13 due to CIG basically committing genocide on shield holes, but they're still powerful

[plain belfry]

boiz, can u tell me someone please what means Jettison Cargo? thanks...

[crimson mantle]

It means you dump all your cargo into space 🙂

[ornate rock]

you drop all the things

[plain belfry]

oh, thanks, i think that, but i couldnt find any good explain... Many thanks @ornate rock @crimson mantle

[ornate rock]

only useful when you somehow manage to gather too much unstable quant, don't think you can even jettison when you have no quant loaded

that might've changed tho

[plain belfry]

Yep

😄

[lilac hedge]

Really wanna know when cargo refactor is coming. I know the work is scheduled for this quarter but who knows when we'll see it come around

that's gonna be huge for muh gameplay loops xD

[brisk totem]

@crimson mantle how long will it take to update your website if 3.13 goes live today?

[crimson mantle]

Couple hours max 🙂
I'm ready! 💪

[brisk totem]

Hell Yeah!

[crimson mantle]

(It mostly depends if they drop the patch in the middle of my work day :D)

[brisk totem]

lookn to make money off my CAT this patch

[brisk totem]

makes sense

[pliant matrix]

I can't wait to check scrap roads 😛

[pliant matrix]

did it even happened to any of you to go mining with your roc and while you're on the field mining your ship vanished?

[north oyster]

she's going live with all her glory

"bugs"

[tame elbow]

[timid kraken]

Did they mention the exploits in the patch notes?

[tepid hawk]

Anyone know if hauling is "fixed" in the latest patch?

[tame elbow]

its been out for like 15 minutes lol

going to take more time than that to figure it out

[tepid hawk]

true

[frail sigil]

we can ROC mine with the connie now!!!

ROC no longer bounces around inside the connie

[teal wing]

Everyone laughed at Connie in 3.12

Who is laughing now

[pliant matrix]

anyone tried nomad elevator with roc?

also connie probably isn't the best for roc mining. you lose a lot of time going from bridge to cargo and going down on the field

[hollow sedge]

hows trading in .13 trader ppl? never tried it but figured i should if it's not broken this patch around

[lofty crest]

give it some time

[wet sedge]

Guys I am using a cutlass with some refined material inside.. where can I sell it?

Refinary stations I cant.. also I am in a city and cant

where do i sell it ?

[still valley]

Landing zone trading divisions. The only place you can.

[wet sedge]

Already managed to sell it.. but the question is.. i was full cargo with a cutlass with refined ores.. and sold all and gave me 8k only ? wtf?

really?

you mine it.. wait hours to be refined.. put it in another ship.. go to a city.. use metro.. and sell it full cargo for 8k ??

[green sundial]

what did you mine?

[wet sedge]

titanium and another one

is there a list of the best ones and prices?

is this one accurate?

[gritty pendant]

When I sold it on Area18, quantanium was 80.53aUEC/Units.

but this data is 3.12, so now it may be changed

[crimson mantle]

Updated for 3.13 😉
https://sc-trade.tools/ores/Spaceship

[wet sedge]

ok but even tho it seems taht doesnt worth it.. i was like for a longgg time and found 1 quantanium.. and the ship cargo is very bad..

with cutlass + ROC i get 200k each time full cargo easier

I dont know why they make the game with a ship worth 2m way bigger than a ROC and even tho gives u less money and more work.. crazy company

[wet sedge]

Is there a way to increase the prospector cargo? and where can I find the good ores like Quantainium? I was in a moon that people told me there was but could not find

crazy game

[mortal kettle]

user error / lack of knowledge
can get 500k /hr mining in prospector

without counting refining time

search for Loud Guns mining on youtube

[desert echo]

@crimson mantle Are trade routes and commodities accurate enough to trade consistently?

[ebon moon]

Yeah, buy a mole 😛

[ebon moon]

I found getting a full tank in of quant is quicker and takes less time than filling up on hadanite in a roc/cutty and is less clunky because it's one shit instead of gong in and out of another that barely fits the ROC.

[crimson mantle]

Hard to tell so early in the patch, but highly supplied goods should be OK

[desert echo]

Gotcha gotcha thanks

[woeful moss]

Some ppl say it's still the same problem of everything being sold out when they get there

🤷‍♂️

Trading isn't the focus of the patches lately though

So maybe when starliner comes out

or whatever that thing is called

herc a od b or whatever

😆

[lofty crest]

depends if its against larger ships or nah. gonna test n see what kinda stock we saying

if it can just about fill a connie at 96 then it may be a case of planet hopping

[woeful moss]

My brother is testing with the freelancer max and he says he has to wait an hour to get it filled at most places

[ashen burrow]

Wher3 I can buy ROC DS?

[hollow sedge]

In the pledge store.

[lofty crest]

whats he filling wiht?

[woeful moss]

laranite and astranite or whatever the second one is called

[lofty crest]

time to test the scrap market then

laranite is never gonna fill a hull again

[woeful moss]

maybe a mustang or so xD

[lofty crest]

laranite used to be like 5 units so big sad

i doubt much will change with herc maybe a rework of prices but eh

system is too small to not do static prices and levels

[pliant matrix]

they shouldn't mix the stock with all servers too. Make a reduce stock for each server so everyone can play decently

but if we earn too much money we wont pledge for ships anymore xD

[lofty crest]

hahaha not like exploits earn so much more

but trading isnt really the focus because non of the systems are really in place, once the dynamic nature of the universe come online trading will get a lil boost at the very least

[woeful moss]

yes exactly. At some point trading will be better. We shouldn't forget that we are testing an alpha and not playing a released games. As annoying as this is. If we're lucky we will survive until the day they release it 😄

[lofty crest]

just kinda wanna use my cat :/ and it sucks that its just kinda sitting around

my fave ship

[pliant matrix]

I bet on herc for future trading but seems I'll have to wait a bit to really make it useful

I'll just fly a huge ship for fun while then xD

Or carry a bunch of merlin

[woeful moss]

@lofty crest yeah I get that. I really like it too and it sucks that you can't really use it right now

[fathom silo]

Have scannere and radars been reworked?? Cant find anything to mine when scanning in my nomad 😂

[torpid mesa]

is anyone else have major problems with this patch? i cant use my mobiglass at all and the exteriors of ships arent spawning in, its like invisible on the pad but if i go inside evertything is there, but third person shows a shell of the interior rather than the exterior

just wondering if i should bother trying the character reset or wait for a hotfix patch

[dense fractal]

Delete your shaders folder @torpid mesa that usually fixes issues like that for me 100% of the time

[torpid mesa]

ill try that thanks @dense fractal

[north oyster]

There is a sub component that will cut down your inert intake (forgot the % for top tier). The cost is collection speed.

Wow, new patch and lots of new traffic on channel, LOL
fun to see

Has anyone had a chance to see if they put in the keybind for Engine OFF/ON for vehicles like the ROC? The servers for vehicle loadout manager and also for the stores crashed last night so I couldn't try it.

[pliant matrix]

it's the same as for ships

you mean the "flight ready" one right?

[north oyster]

No, the Engine Off/On like the letter " i " that we can for ships. It wasn't there for vehicles. Real pain when mining in the ROC

[pliant matrix]

why do you cut engine for mining?

[north oyster]

ROC rolls, they've fixed it some but still happens. Then there is also the coolers which can and do fail.

[north oyster]

just to reiterate, never collect or refine anything under Agricium. Some do harvest Hephaestanite but it isn't worth it to me. Borase is awful as to how it breaks down. Bexalite is great. Quantainium is the big ticket but comes with a price for admission.

[north oyster]

Thanks SC Trade, great chart. I think the sub-chunk purity claim for Borase is way over stated even with its 1.5 star, that stuff is trash as it relates to breaking clean.

[crimson mantle]

My pleasure!
Those ratings aren't my subjective opinion: Borase has a "clumpiness" of 0.3, same as Beryl and Hephaestanite 🙂

[north oyster]

LOL, I understand, I've just grown to hate that stuff and never stop for it any longer. Not worth it at all.

[undone socket]

any idea if trading is working now?

[shell nacelle]

wher is best place to roc mine

[north oyster]

it is ...

[north oyster]

I have found Aberdeen and Arial to be great. You will need the Pembroke armor

I did two runs on Aberdeen and pulled 160k and 203k respectfully

Remember to Go Slow when scanning

[crimson mantle]

@north oyster is correct, even for 3.13 those are the two best places: https://tinyurl.com/2rz76kn2

[wet sedge]

Guys I have a prospector.. I bought a HELIX 1 to use with my proespector.. but when I go to the vehicle loadout manager.. the mining laser option is gray

where do I find the HELIX 1 to use with my prospector?

[crimson mantle]

Rented ships cannot be edited

[wet sedge]

found it

thank you

its not rented

I found it already

thank u tho

😄

is there a way to increase

the cargo ?

[pallid temple]

No

[shell nacelle]

i cant find anything

[north oyster]

It's your method more than likely. Here's a quick run down of tips to help

Go low (around 1k above the surface)
Go slow (about half of optimal speed bar speed)
Scan at 100% - handminables only show up when you are within 2km from them

You will see the large deposits, get near them and do a full power scan. The small deposits often hide in the large ore blue boxes

when the small deposits hit with a box, they are usually smaller. The actual gems Icon will not show up until you are about 300 meters from it

[shell nacelle]

what ship is better to use. cutlass black or connie

[north oyster]

You want hadanite and in 3 or more as a rule

I've used a cutty most of the time originally. Now I use the MAX most of the time

The cutty because smaller and easier to manuver than a connie

But any ship will work if you do the correct techniques

it's going to take some time to catch on to the nuances of mining that way. it is simple in some aspects, little more challenging in other aspects

[shell nacelle]

wtf#

my ship just got impunded for blocking parking spot when i just got in it after spawn

[north oyster]

that's a bug that happens sometimes, it was an issue when this was in the PTU but they claimed they fixed it

If there is a issues council report on it, you should contribute to it

[pliant matrix]

also I found the dark side of aberdeen to be way too dark even with lights on. I actually crashed my nomad because of a cliff that came too fast on me (not my fault that damn cliff is fast 😛 )

[north oyster]

Try diving down from OM-1 ... it is daylight all the time there. Aberdeen is the darkest place I have ever seen in this game

Freaking pitch tar black there

[pliant matrix]

well I started on a daylight side then while I was mining a 8 hadanite rocks it turned black. since my roc was almost full I tried doing another one but crashed

[woven dust]

Feels like something out of Pitch Black when the sun goes down.

[pliant matrix]

Is it me or nomad have a shitty scan? I find roc mineable easier with cutlass

[timid kraken]

nomad is a small ship

so it has a weaker scanner

[keen perch]

Aberdeen is defiantly a blackhole

[pliant matrix]

yeah and lights doesn't really help

[north oyster]

Prospector at night on Aberdeen is doable ... ROC is suicide

[next solstice]

Is mining bugged in space?

I haven’t found a single scannable rock

[north oyster]

not that I've heard

[next solstice]

They all miss the little white target indicator

[north oyster]

Do the ore icons pop up but they don't scan?

[next solstice]

Yea

Rock icon yes

But not target indicator

[north oyster]

that's the server sucking wind

keep going, one time I had to hit about 10 asteroids before it started scanning

[next solstice]

Hmm okay will try a little longer

[next solstice]

Couldn’t find any

Surface rocks work

[north oyster]

Might want to file an issue council ticket about that or see if someone else did you can contribute

[verbal cargo]

arial not spawning rocks?

[next solstice]

Is trading back on the menu?

In 3.13?

[crimson mantle]

There's always a bit of a "gold rush" effect whenever a new patch is released, so it's hard to assess for sure 🤔

[dusky wedge]

oi guys

do you think its worth to buy the taurus now and have it (when 3.14 releases) as a cargo runner for refined ores?

and will it take a full load of prospector mining?

and was thinking if it might rise in price when flight ready

[crimson mantle]

The prospector has 32 SCU, so anything with more cargo than that can take a full load without any problem 🙂

[dusky wedge]

but like

when refined i had like 1700 cSCU

what does that correspond to

[crimson mantle]

That's 17 SCU

[dusky wedge]

oh

[crimson mantle]

SC uses the metric system of prefixes, so c is centi: 1/100th

[dusky wedge]

alright alright

and the Taurus will get somwhere within 200 SCUs?

[wet sedge]

I have a prospector with a helix 1 installed.. and even tho I cant mine rocks in the space that has quantanium.. seems that it doesnt have the power

is there something i am missing here?

[crimson mantle]

The only known fact is that it will have more than the other connies, who have 96

[dusky wedge]

yea

was thinking between the freelancer max and taurus

as a little cargo runner for mined ores

idk

[crimson mantle]

3.12 changed a lot of the balancing around the mining heads, check a recent mining guide for pointers!

(The Helix is not the be-all-and-end-all it used to be)

[wet sedge]

damn

i am like hours now

trying to mine something i just cant

crazy

i actually followed some tutorials and

what people told me around here

seems that its very hard just to mine a rock in this game

hahahah

[crimson mantle]

The biggest rocks usually require consumables in a prospector

As they are balanced towards the MOLE multi-crew miner

[wet sedge]

anyone that mines here with prospector now something? all tutorials on youtube only before the pçatch

[wet sedge]

I am mining quantanium and suddenly my ship is saying to eject the cargo as it is danagerous.. what is that?

[pallid temple]

Quantanium ore is volatile cargo, and will eventually degrade and explode

[wet sedge]

2h mining to find quantanium

i land

and now i am bugged inside

my ship sit

nice

gg

[hollow sedge]

what to look for on Hurston moons when looking for a spot to spawn ground vehicles? ppl told me "any hdms" but first one i tried didnt have one, or im too dumb to find it

[barren meadow]

This has probably been asked, so forgive me XD Besides the sinkhole in Kudre, are there other caves that allow for ROC mining?

[teal wing]

Hover over a pad you're not cleared to land at, and your ship will be impounded. It'll store the ship and cargo and put you inside the station

[daring vale]

Is trade still broken?

[white dove]

At the hdms look for the small blue pads, vall platinum bay. Go inside and you can spawn them there

[limpid ore]

is scrap running still a thing?

[crimson mantle]

If you're brave enough to go to PO, they're still buying

[limpid ore]

yeah

[pulsar sky]

I tried it today and I couldn’t even fill a Freelancer

I managed to get a max of like 10SCU of laranite and titanium each

[daring vale]

:C

[outer orchid]

There's this prank in this game: box delivery, where it makes you go all over the system picking up boxes, and after 1h, when you try to deliver the last one, there's a random bug that makes you totally fail.
🤬

[nocturne blaze]

Mole has those refining things in it, are they useful yet? are they planned to be doing something?

also can someone explain the new refining system, and if its still viable/profitable to run a solo mole?

You go mine -> refine for multiple days -> get less money than prospector? or whats the deal here

[tame elbow]

Mole doesn't have a refinery and never will

It works the same as the prospector except you cannot control the mining laser from the pilot seat and can carry x3 the SCU

Your earnings is based on how lucky you are in your rock finds.

Many people say that if you're solo then you should just use a prospector because walking from the cockpit to the mining turret is a hassle

A mole doesn't earn less money than a prospector but arguably you're wasting extra time moving from chair to chair

[jaunty lion]

Made 100g ROC mining hady's on Daymar in about 45 minutes today. Payout didn't seem quite as big.

[tardy flower]

@nocturne blaze the Orion will have an inboard refinery.

If you find a crew if seven membre + escort or will be the best mining thing 😍

[devout ibex]

any1 know why i cant sell my tungsten anywhere?

[teal wing]

Are you trying to sell at admin consoles or the Trade and Development Divisions?

[tame elbow]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Tungsten

[gritty zephyr]

Whats the best cargo website calculator right now?

[tame elbow]

https://sc-trade.tools

[north oyster]

It depends on the gems you mine. Dolivine is more abundant and not worth that much (it is worth something though). What you want to focus on is Hadanite. If you get 50% of a load of hadanite, that's about 110K aUEC. Also, when you sell it, you will get about 10% more profit if the name of the outpost has "mining" in its name.

I would also suggest trying Aberdeen or Arial over Daymar

[jaunty lion]

I would also in 3.12, not sure of the best places in 3.13. I was honestly surprised to come across so much on Daymar, I was just looking for caves and stumbled across some good clusters.

[ebon moon]

Use ur cat to transport your mining cargo

[fathom grail]

Where is the best place to ROC mine these days?

[sonic laurel]

Aberdeen is the most abundant hadanite place but it's also hard to navigate given the yellow fog and such

[blissful oxide]

@crimson mantle I can confirm there is more than only Quantanium in Lyria
Though, Groups of rocks seems to only be Quanta (from what I saw so far, could be wrong)
Even without only Quanta, Lyria is awesome

[eager lintel]

has anyone had any problems with the Mole's side lasers

[blissful oxide]

You can't access them ?

[eager lintel]

not at all the middle one is working

[blissful oxide]

Not a bug 🙂

Removed access to Carrack and MOLE turrets when landing gear deployed/landed to prevent clipping issues.

Put landing gear back up, and you will be able to access them 🙂

[eager lintel]

thanks man you amazeballs 😄

[next solstice]

Hey guys what is the state of trading at the moment?

[subtle cradle]

Wow why is unrefined quantanium worth so much?

Oh its a mole innit?

[blissful oxide]

Yes, it's a Mole fulled with 94% quanta though, first time I get that much ^^

[subtle cradle]

Yeah makes sense then. Good job filling an entire mole before blowing up

[blissful oxide]

Got a chunks of 3 rocks with 28 to 48%
It seems to appear way more often

[subtle cradle]

6-7000 rocks?

[blissful oxide]

But you have to be atleast 2 players to "break" biggest rock

[blissful oxide]

4-7000 yes

More than 5 days of refining though

[subtle cradle]

Lol

Yeah and more than 5 days of trying to sell as well probably

Stupid systen

[blissful oxide]

Nah, at Area 18 you can sell pretty quickly

[subtle cradle]

I cant

[wet sedge]

Hey guys.. i Have a prospector.. mined a quantanium rock now. 20% quantanium. Mined everything inside it. Back to refinary. only 28k. I see people on youtube doing the same with rocks like 10..15% quantanium getting 100..130k.. how is that possible?

[subtle cradle]

Or couldnt before 3.13

[wet sedge]

28k with the other crap materials also

[blissful oxide]

What was the mass ?

[wet sedge]

what do you mean?

[subtle cradle]

The size of the rock

[wet sedge]

10% quantanium rock isnt the same as any 10% quantanium rock ?

[subtle cradle]

No

[wet sedge]

it was an asteroid.. broken into 4 parts

than i mined all 4 parts

[subtle cradle]

10% of 4000 isnt the same as 10% of 7000

[wet sedge]

true

[blissful oxide]

You can lost some part during the process also, if you get into red part
Or just bad luck

[wet sedge]

ahhh ok

its so hard or almost impossible

not the get inside the red..

its always like

4...5 instability

[subtle cradle]

Try using Lancet head

[wet sedge]

its just crazy its in the green suddenly jumps to the red like crazy

i am using lancet

i was using helix but was worst

[blissful oxide]

Yeah, it's easier with a Mole, since you have S2 head, and more laser if you have someone with ya

[subtle cradle]

Oh probably server latency then

[wet sedge]

ahhhh ok

yes.. i imagine..

is there anything else I can buy to have a better instability?

apart of the lancet?

[subtle cradle]

That will get much worse if playing on another region server

[wet sedge]

any consumable?

[blissful oxide]

You can buy sub component
But you will lost them if you reclaim ship

[wet sedge]

I see

[blissful oxide]

And will loose optimal range window

[wet sedge]

well.. just bought a prospector but dont know now if that was the best choise.. to be honest.. cutlass and ROC was way less buggy and easier to mine

hahaha

[blissful oxide]

Ship mining is more random ^^

[wet sedge]

yeah i can see that now

[subtle cradle]

I prefer the roc over prospector in this shitty version

[wet sedge]

3.13 for me is way more buggy

crazy things happening .. I can list like 5 funny new bugs i encountered since 3.13 launched

[subtle cradle]

You're not dependant on supply and demand of a shop with the roc

[wet sedge]

true

[north oyster]

REQUIRED VIEWING FOR ALL WONDERING ABOUT TRADE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyJ_-tfwOSw

[echo garnet]

im cutty and roc mining
anyone wanna wing up?

[hollow sedge]

Have they fixed the trading thing now? Can I actually haul cargo?

[devout ibex]

loreville wont buy it

[tame elbow]

CBD should

In Transfers

[lilac hedge]

i wonder if local inventory/removal of global inventory is something that's gonna happen in 3.14

[main saddle]

So, I did one of the QT-sensitive cargo missions on Hurston. I stayed mainly above atmosphere, but, wow, my windshield is trashed! 🤣

[north oyster]

They pay 20K aUEC for that, right? They should've offered more, imo

[coarse cape]

anything with trading and mining thats changed in the past week or so. havent been on lately

[sharp rune]

anyone done much cave mining?

with ROC DS

[nocturne blaze]

I really dislike how prospector feels. Here's to hoping they make a smaller mole

[subtle cradle]

No it's all the shitty same old afaik

[manic whale]

I may be wrong, but maybe there´s no so much effort put to repair the selling bug until hauling needs to be tested when M2/C2 are released. 3.13 brought ROC DS, which isnt affected by the exploit, caves, UI reputation, shields.. and this is what we are determined to test, cause dont forget - this is alpha of the game and however rude it may sound, we players of SC are test subjects collecting data, the more ppl on 1 section of the game (refineries, BH, dynamic events...), the more data. ...and I get it why. I want this game to be working. I want it to be good.

[woeful moss]

I don't even think trading is bugged. The idea is having multiple systems and a working economy across them. So they don't want anyone getting rich by doing a little trading in only one systems

[manic whale]

bug=refinery restock exploit

[woeful moss]

Nvm then 😄

[lavish marlin]

Hey, can you change Greycat Roc mining laser?

[pallid temple]

No

[idle blade]

Does Erkul not work for mining heads? can't add any to cart

[crimson mantle]

Here are the changes in the last patch, data-wise:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/mwiu73/313_miners_patch_notes_summary_datamining/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/mwhsp0/313_traders_patch_notes_summary_datamining/

[unreal flax]

is the orion a limited ship?

[crimson mantle]

Apparently so: https://starcitizen.tools/Orion