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hollow sedge
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@lethal wigeon the Aaron belt is still there, you just have to figure your distance to kill warp from A to B as you try to pass the orbit path where the belt resides. 🙂

cinder osprey
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I've had this, idk what to call it but basically when I shatter a rock it doesn't... explode? Like the rock breaks but all the pieces are still assembled in the same places as they were so it makes it really hard (and in some cases impossible) to mine all the pieces of it, and then when breaking it down even farther some of the pieces end up being under the map.

hollow sedge
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yea for me the scans are only 10km between each other. I dont use vtol mode, and again Im not full speed but half way to full speed. that third line up from SCM speed is where I slap that thingy. 🙂

wicked oracle
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oh don't mine on a moon you will vera rarely find quant

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mine in asteroid field hur L3

cinder osprey
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I wasn't having luck there, maybe I'm in the wrong place hm

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I was just looking at SC Tools and it says Microtech's moons statistically have the highest concentration of Quant. And then someone else said Lyria is the best place for Quant. So I tried the moons last night and I'm trying out Lyria now.

wicked oracle
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give it an other try no joke, i try for 3 days to mine on a lot of different moon and i never find a rock with more than 10% quand, in hur L3 it take me max 15 minutes

cinder osprey
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I mean I've been finding them, just not super common I guess

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Like I said 8k mass 60%. Its really easy if you end up finding a cluster of 2-6 Quant rocks because you're almost guaranteed to find at least 1 with a decent %

hollow sedge
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I hadnt ever found quant to be that plentiful on lyria but not saying it isnt... just not my experience.

wicked oracle
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3 trip today and everytime it never took me more than 15 minutes to find one. i cut my time between trip from 2h ( on moon but never came back with quant) to 40 minutes ( in Hur L3 100 quant)

hollow sedge
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because cru l1 offers the highest % for quantanium I feel kinda stuck around crusader for mining quant. despite that, Lagrange points hold the assumed highest % probability, possibly for quant

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L points without a refinery that is.

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I haven't found quant around cru l1 ... for example. but havent kept searching after no success so I could assume maybe some is there?

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its nice to know that theres still better than 50% deposits .. wow. wonder where cig capped it

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I have heard MT has great quant but mic l1 has 2% so I dont go there. though I have tested there. planet/moon surface mining will allow for larger than 5k mass deposits so for team mining, etc... planet and moon mining is still king imo. depending on the % probability of course.

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@lethal wigeon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BKKud6HIdk though levski is gone, this will help you with the numbers 🙂 NOW the qd instantly shuts down so you have to figure that in

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lethal wigeon
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@hollow sedge cheers man , was afraid it was gone

hollow sedge
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np

cinder osprey
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Do you lose mining consumables when you store your ship?

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I keep losing them when I didn't use them all or have to claim my ship so idk where they're going

wicked oracle
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i quess you do because i have experience the same thing

hollow sedge
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or if you use them. *

cinder osprey
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Hm, I stored my ship after mining quant and all of them are gone

thorny copper
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quant will break down fast in your cargo

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you have to hurry to refinery once you've finished mining it

hollow sedge
cinder osprey
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yeah potentially

bronze sinew
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What's the "best" cargo you can transport and sell with a cat?
Or is pretty much everything so unavailable it's not worth it?

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and yes, i am aware of SC trade tools, but it just shows me stuff thats unrealistic. I wont wait 5 hours or so to buy/sell over 500 scu of Medical supplies

fickle zephyr
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the "+ 1 447/min" is important

undone socket
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Is trading working now or still bored?

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*borked

thorny copper
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Will likely be borked until they finally squash the refinery bug

crimson mantle
bronze sinew
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Uuuh I did not know about this. Thanks 😁

unreal flax
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does anyone run cargo anymore?

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are there any decent routes?

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Cause i really liked cargo hauling

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sad to see it broken

rain nebula
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I do have a trade route

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ill pm u it

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just incase of any pirates

north oyster
# unreal flax does anyone run cargo anymore?

Yes Cargo is still there, more of a wildcat operation and you have to explore or tap into folks that know like @rain nebula who have experience for trades and routes.
HOPEFULLY Trade will get the love in 3.13 like Bounties got love in 3.12

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Then you have great tools like @crimson mantle that improve your chances

rain nebula
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i dont even have a cat

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i know the routes but dont have a ship for trading

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-+

untold crest
north oyster
daring raft
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Keeping in mind the MSR only has 114 scu available. Is there any cargo runs available that can bet me some profit?
Also understand it’s broken right now

north oyster
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Diamonds are a good solid run. From T&M on Celin to a TDD at A18 or CBD on Lorville

daring raft
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Cool, thanks!

north oyster
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Check SC Trade Tools for ideas also

rain nebula
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Yea i just joined the verse last decembre

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@north oyster did you grind for your cat?

north oyster
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I did grind for most all my other ships including my 600i

north oyster
rain nebula
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wdym loaner ship?

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im smooth brain so I dont know much of sc vocab

north oyster
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my apologies, There is a system in CIG that if you get a ship that isn't available yet, then they give you a loaner ship(s) until it comes out. For the Hercules Starlifter C2 it is both the Mercury Star Runner and the Drake CAT

rain nebula
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ah

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i wanna the the HULL A

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so what loaner ship would i get?

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Also do i keep the loaner ship after i get the ship i ordered

north oyster
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Not sure about the last point, I really don't know if you keep loaners

north oyster
rain nebula
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ok ty

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yea im looking for a good hauler for 200 so i can start making alot of money cargo hauling

north oyster
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The MAX offers good capacity for decent cost. She flies like a freaking brick but she is dependable. I use one almost exclusively for hauling the ROC around, so she makes me plenty of aUEC

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You can CCU your starter pack up to a MAX to save money or just buy the ship right out. Or you can get the Hull B or C. Hull A way too small. I would definitely lean towards the Hull C for trade (over the CAT, the C2 or any other trade focused ship)

fickle zephyr
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cutlass red roc carrier master race

north oyster
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Red offers some good options and some "not ideal" options working with the ROC

fickle zephyr
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like crawling under the roc to get in

north oyster
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LOL

fickle zephyr
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or backspace in

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i dont have to be scared loosing focus on checking survival time

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i dont need water

north oyster
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I have a small fleet that waits hand and foot on the ROC. The Cutty, Valkyrie, and MAX. the ROC is that valuable an asset

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Two cutties, the black and red

fickle zephyr
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i have all drakes

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drake fanboi

north oyster
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GIB Corsair

fickle zephyr
misty sonnet
north oyster
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Correct

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Good point

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I had never flown the CAT before I got it as a loaner for the C2, I can see now why so many have sworn by her. She's a fine ship, ugly as sin, but still a fine ship.

misty sonnet
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she's an awesome ships, sits in my hangar collecting dust since they broke cargo so thoroughly with 3.12 😦

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really hope they fix things with 3.13

north oyster
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Likewise ... small wildcat trade options are out there but as a game play loop, trade isn't an option

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I'm no prophet but I wold like to think that 3.13 will be for Trade what 3.12 was for bounties

misty sonnet
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with a full crew and a decent long range load out, she's dependable. https://www.erkul.games/loadout/AtUAk22J

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throw in a couple fighters, and you can quickly see why pirates love her

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I hope so...

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I've tried small, and medium cargo runs... they just don't pay well

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even tossing in box missions isn't helping

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not when I can make 70k in 10 minutes doing a group vhrt

north oyster
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precisely

misty sonnet
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one other thing folks forget about the cat... she's going be modular as well

north oyster
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True and that has some serious future possibilities that can be fun

cinder osprey
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I finally decided to buy the game after playing for a few days. I got the Cutlass Black and now want to work towards fully customizing it. I see the erkul.games website but the way it works confuses me, anyone willing to help me understand it a bit better? lol

north oyster
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How can we help?

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The cutty has one size 2 shield (sadly) the FR-76 would be good here

cinder osprey
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Well, I just want to find out the best possible modifications to the ship but the website is a bit confusing for me

north oyster
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The QT premio is the XL-1 but the Crossfield is maybe the best between speed and fuel

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I understand, and it was for everyone that first started using it

cinder osprey
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https://www.erkul.games/loadout/8LjAuMqH
This is what I setup, its basically the best of everything as far as I can tell, what I'm most curious about atm is the Coolers. It says I'm only using 687k but with these 2 coolers it can go upto 17600k. But I feel like the 676k is wrong?

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north oyster
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don't worry about messing with the manned turrent for now, you'll hardly ever use it

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Everything else looks good. The industrial coolers are great but are not that fast on recharge, the impact of coolers is up in the air (they are vital but sometimes you don't need to sink cash into them). The Military coolers are faster in that respect

cinder osprey
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Well, I wouldn't say that

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I have 2 friends that play with me, I'd like to do maybe BH missions and let one of them use the turret

north oyster
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Sure, if you have the aUEC to spend, then go for it

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that's great, I'm more of a lone wolf

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I started with the Titan package but the game really took off for me when I got the Cutlass, so I think you made a great decision

cinder osprey
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Yeah, I figured it wasn't much more for the price

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I've spent 100$+ on other games, Borderlands 3, COD, etc so why not, this game is more than likely going to be played a lot longer than either of those ever will

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Since it'll be in development for at least 200 more years ;)

north oyster
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I would then go ahead and get the ROC ingame and have it as an earning loop also

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If funds are limited, then you can rent it for 7000 aUEC and make enough to buy it in one trip

cinder osprey
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I might rent the ROC and try that out first, I think I want to go for a Prospector first if at all possible

north oyster
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I have both

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it's good to change up

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Bounties are meta now in 3.12, so the Cutty will do great with those also

cinder osprey
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I've been doing a little Quant mining, I'm not very good at finding the rocks but mining them doesn't seem to be the hardest thing. Stressful? Yeah. Difficult? Not as much

north oyster
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The nice thing is that the cutty can normally take two prospector runs to market for you

cinder osprey
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Made 350k on 2 Quant trips with my friend, so like 175k each since we were mining together. Then we had a 30k that lost us 2 good rocks so that was kinda depressing, also I had a weird thing happen with my quant trip

sonic laurel
cinder osprey
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I took it to the station with no blinking light then as soon as I landed the light was flashing red very quickly and told me to jettison the cargo or it'll explode

sonic laurel
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The cutty is the bee-knees

cinder osprey
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When there was no prior blinking or warning and I definitely didn't take more than 15 min 🤔

sonic laurel
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the corsair is the only thing which could be better

north oyster
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GIB Corsair

sonic laurel
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I love drake interiors

north oyster
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the loaners for it are also pretty nice

sonic laurel
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what loaner?

north oyster
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for the Corsair

sonic laurel
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what do you get?

north oyster
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The Connie and the Bucc

sonic laurel
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yo what

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you get the connie as a loaner?

cinder osprey
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Corsair is just a really big Cutlass Black it looks like? lol

north oyster
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yes

sonic laurel
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4 size 5 and two size 4 front facing

cinder osprey
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ouch

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but its the same as the Cutlass black? Multi Purpose?

north oyster
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she might get nerfed, we are talking about a Drake

cinder osprey
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Looks like it can carry a bit of cargo and small vehicles

north oyster
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It's larger than the cutty

cinder osprey
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yeah thats what I mean

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its like a direct upgrade from it

sonic laurel
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it can carry the ursa rover +32 SCU cargo or 76 SCU cargo I believe

cinder osprey
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damn, thats nice

sonic laurel
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yeah

cinder osprey
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It might be one of the ships I aim for then

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My current favorite concept ships are the Merchantmen and Orion, they both look dope af

sonic laurel
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I love the connie but hate the interior

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hmmm. how much will corsair be at ship sale I wonder?

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150 right?

cinder osprey
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150? Thats not bad, I was considering my next upgrade to possibly be Freelancer Max at 150, but if the Corsair is 150... well that might be a different story then 👀

sonic laurel
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it's 232 on the grey market

north oyster
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sad, I can't remember what I paid for it, but I melted and did a CCU up to it

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I turned my Nomad token into the Corsair

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If interested, it will be an option at fleet week or Invictus week

sonic laurel
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I have an aurora lol

north oyster
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hold off on grey market because you might eventually regret not having those funds count towards the game (just my opinion)

sonic laurel
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considering upgrading my game package to the cutty black

north oyster
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that's what I did (from the Titan)

sonic laurel
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but I have a in game purchased cutty

north oyster
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The game took on a whole new world for me

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ah, then if you get it as part of your real fleet, then when the "great reset" happens, you will be set

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or just wait until then

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no rush

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I'm holding a Nomad LTI buyback that I will get and turn into a Prospector when the wipe happens (this or next year)

north oyster
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They're gonna get BIG

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hollow salmon
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Is it worth to buy the MOLE?

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How much can i make with 2 people and one Mole?

north oyster
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Mole is good but two people in a Mole can't make more than two Prospectors

hollow sedge
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prospector flies easier, quicker, takes less time to get in and out of atmo, to and from station and belt etc... though it can hold more than a prospector, I wouldnt use a Mole for Quantanium unless you had enough to fill it up from one deposit. thats just me tho.

north oyster
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Concur

strange burrow
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I disagree, I use Mole for solo mining and with my friend.

Atmo flight is moot when you only mine in the Belt and it isn't really that slower in QT and regular flight since most time is spent mining and the asteroids are only 4-5k away from each other most of the time.

Using the Lancet for solo mining will let you break 95% of the rocks you find. You will do less trip to and from the refinery with the 96scu.

Even mining Quantinium is better with the Mole. If you choose your rocks wisely, you'll easily fill over 32scu with one good rock(35-40%) or two average. That's even picking up a very minimal amount of Inert mats.

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A run to and from the Belt will take 3min to go and 3min to come back plus 3-5 minutes to drop off the goods.

So doing that with a prospector will cost you 12-16 more minutes if you do 96scu with a prospector instead of one with an Argo

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A run will take me between 30-45minutes if I cherry pick only the best materials. So in my usual 3h plate I'll do from 4-6 runs (384-576scu total)

If it were only Laranite it would have a value of 1.1-1.7mil.

With a prospector I'd be able to do a run in 20-30min. So 6-9 runs. For a value of 576k-864k.

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YMMV but in my experience the Argo Mole has too many advantages rn, even for solo mining.

I wouldn't use it for planetery and moon mining tho.

cinder osprey
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What does YMMV mean? 🤔 Never seen that before lol

cinder osprey
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Anyone know if there's anyway to know if you can sell a commodity at a place before traveling there?

cinder osprey
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I've been getting the "Service Error" when trying to sell Commodities a lot but I realized that the ship I have it stored in, somehow needs to be claimed and is technically stored at another station (even though I purposefully don't use it because I only use it as storage) but could that be why I can't sell my cargo? Or is it simply just the, too many people are selling that atm bug and I have to try another time?

strange burrow
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Your mileage may vary YMMV ;)

north oyster
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I hate that refinery bug, it is totally killing all mining/refining/selling and trade except selling Raw ore or selling ROC harvestables

rustic condor
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what is that bug?

north oyster
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some call it the "infinite money" bug, but basically crashes the back-end servers.

rustic condor
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i just mined quantainium and got back with my prospector from free flight(i never flew faster than the red mark on speed)
then i got out without the warning sound happening and ran as fast as i could towards the refinery on cur l1
when i was there i couldnt see the prospector at the refinery screen but i saw it on the selling ore screen
so i tryed to sell it b4 it would expload and got an error message that the trade failed after some time passed i could finally see it on the refinery screen but the quantainium dissapeared...
did i do something wrong? do i have to store the ship right after i landed or is there a way to refine it?

north oyster
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Did you STOW the ship before going to the Refinery?

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Yes, stow the ship and it stops the timer

rustic condor
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fml i will try that

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i just kept doing the runs 3 times now wondering what do i have to do
damn thx man

north oyster
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this is the refinery sell bug

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notice the bottom left aUEC figure. That keeps growing

wet shadow
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i am about to go out mole mining...... anyone here wanna come along?

cinder osprey
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Also stowing the ship, in my experience, solves any instances of it not showing the ship in the refinery screen for whatever reason. So its just a good thing to do

sonic laurel
rustic condor
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got that same bug with a foodbar inside my personal inventory

north oyster
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but this means that what I enjoy in Star Citizen is completely FUBAR

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I want to wait until it gets to a Trillion dollars first, LOL - photo moment

gritty jackal
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man idk who said lyria is a good quantum spot

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because is terrible

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found 1 qauntum rock after 40 minutes

pallid lake
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Yela still a good spot, I have found quite a bit of qt out there

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some trips take longer than others but I always find a good rock 45% or so

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enough to fill a prospector usually

cinder osprey
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the 3 moons of Microtech technically have the highest concentration of Quantainium

real narwhal
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Is there anything i can do about unstable cargo, ship wise?

Upgrade? Powerslider somewhere?

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Prosecutor btw

cinder osprey
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Prospector* lol and nothing I know of but I'm also new

north oyster
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When working with quantainium, do Not start gathering the ore until the whole rock is cracked and ready to extract

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If you have two rocks, crack both all the way down

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Gather and haul ass to the station

gritty jackal
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with the prospector its not worth

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depending where you mine i guess

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if its anywhere where you are warping between the main planets i wouldnt

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almost all ones you swap it to use to much fuel so you would need a pit stop in between

real narwhal
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@north oyster thank you

cinder osprey
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The Prospector is nothing but worth it, I've only played this game for about 4 days but I've made probably 1.2mil today with about 5 Prospector trips and plan on doing a few more and start refining before I sleep then turning it all in when I wake up

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But I do have a question. Is there a limit to the number of work orders you can have active/inactive at a time?

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gritty jackal
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Had a bunch of luck a few days ago but not my quantum runs been super dry

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Having to settle for a 10% rock that eventually shows up

cinder osprey
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I mean, just keep looking. I just spent 30 minutes and finally found a 30%

rustic condor
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is there a workaround for that bug where u can't store the ship?

willow girder
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Leave the server

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or get out pilot seat and kill yourself.

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usually that stores the ship too

jaunty portal
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gm, has anyone seen where when scanning a planet for ROC mining, you only see ship mineables?

crimson mantle
bronze sinew
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Roc mining is fun.

I hope there are rare gems in the New caves

north oyster
# jaunty portal gm, has anyone seen where when scanning a planet for ROC mining, you only see sh...

here's few things to keep in mind when scanning for ROC mine-able ore.
First: The ping for these will not pop up unless you are with 2k of them AND you scan at 100%. So I would encourage you to go near the large ore and then do a full power scan because
Second: Most ROC scanables are located near the large ore, so their presence can be "hidden" by the large ore hits. Being near the large ore means it will not spawn a box when the ping happens, just the ROC ore will throw out a box.
Third: GO SLOW. Hauling ass and pinging as you go makes sure you will miss about 90% of deposits. Plus the ship's scanners on the Cutty, MAX and other non-mining ships don't seem to grab the ore as readily as on the Prospector. But this might be my impressions only

pallid lake
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cutty low and slow for roc mining, I will concur with that. I am barely skipping off the ground in my cutty while scanning for ore

jaunty portal
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Appreciate it👍 I wish I could upgrade the scanner

pallid lake
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I check the rock out before landing too, if its hand minable hadanite I wont stop either

coarse cape
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Msr is pretty good as well for roc mining if you have other people with you

north oyster
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You can tell is just a Hand mineable if it is .11 in size

jaunty portal
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Scanning from the cutty sends to be hit and miss too

sharp rune
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I am curious does lending a mining vehicle work for the person borrowing? As in, are they able to sell/refine materials or would I have to?

north oyster
pallid temple
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The owner has to

sharp rune
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Thought so :). So I'll have to be around to take out 2 crew moles xD

rustic condor
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where can i sell much refined quantainium in one go?
i tried in lorvile but i have to take 3 or 4 turn to empty the stash at my freelancer

crimson mantle
north oyster
rustic condor
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oh damn so it will be faster if i go from big to another big city or what should i do thne?

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or going str8 to area 18 like sc trade tools told

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but considering that... mining isn't very efficient unless you just sell the raw ore cutting your own margin

cinder osprey
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I mean, it depends. I usually just sell at the terminal when I'm busy doing other things

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I tab out and tab back in every few minutes to check if I can sell then go back to what I was doing before

rustic condor
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yeah but considering that u can do more money just selling it and doing some long trade hauls while beeing afk in quantum travel

lilac hedge
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CARGO TROLLEYS

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Game changing!

daring raft
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Can I take a trolly into a cave and bring the missing dude out?

pallid temple
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Probably not

pliant jewel
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I am not sure if this should be in here but has anyone purchased the starfarer, if so do you like it?

topaz ivy
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guys where is the best spot to mine quantanium

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im in HUR L3 for 1 hour and dont found anything

daring raft
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I found a 46%er in HUR L3

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thats where I usually go

north oyster
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The ONLY thing not broke in mining is the ROC selling the gems and selling raw ore at the refinery from the Prospector and MOLE

topaz ivy
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I like the ROC but it's like a pain in the ass, because you have to get off and on the ship constantly

north oyster
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Only do for hadanite that is 3 or more clusters

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Last time I made over 200k from two stops. But that was a good run, not normal

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Normally 4 stops

cinder osprey
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I want to Upgrade my Cutlass Black but don't understand the https://www.erkul.games website. Can someone explain/help me upgrade it? lol

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north oyster
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For weapons, the Cutty comes with mixed weapons. Not ideal.

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I would suggest Either ballistic or energy but not both at the same time. There is a lot of debate on "the best" and it really comes down to budget and preference.

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Gimballed or Fixed ... with the desync, gimbal is having a little rougher time

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actually eveything is a little rougher, LOL

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For the Quantum drive I would go with either the XL-1 or the Crossfield. The Crossfield is almost as fast and doesn't burn as much fuel

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For Ballistic, if you stay gimbaled, get two more GT-215

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For fixed, go with the GT-220 on all 4 points

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For Energy, Attritions have been popular (only available in Lorville)

cinder osprey
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Yes I plan on all Energy Weapons because I don't wanna deal with Ballistics

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idk which weapons I prefer when it comes to gimbaled or fixed as I don't think I've used both types yet?

north oyster
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I would switch the two ballistics and stay gimballed and try that

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that way you're not investing too much

cinder osprey
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So all gimbaled and all energy?

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Also idc about the price

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I just want to upgrade it as much as possible, I think I have like 600k to spare or something and I'm buying my own Prospector so I can make more if need be

north oyster
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Two more scorpions will run about 11k aUEC

cinder osprey
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The thing that confuses me the most is the coolers I think

north oyster
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Don't let it

cinder osprey
north oyster
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they are not a big factor but keep the ones you have and if the ship overheats, then upgrade

cinder osprey
#

This is what I built when looking at the website, the coolers say they only use like "585k" out of like 14,000k or something so I'm confused as to why I would need coolers so good?

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I just don't want my weapons to overheat since I'm going full Energy, thats the main thing

north oyster
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Testing will be key here

cinder osprey
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I see

north oyster
#

You can just take her up and start firing into space and see how long before overheating

cinder osprey
#

I'm also just trying to get a feel for the website, it gives so much excess information its overwhelming

north oyster
#

the layout of the new site isn't as good as the old, imo. But once you get use to it, then you can use it as a tool

cinder osprey
#

it seems useful for most things

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like I can see the shield capacity, charge rate and cooldown pretty easily but things like the cooler confuse the fck out of me

#

weapons (mostly) make sense

north oyster
#

I would stick with military as for speed

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Like the industrial power plant has a lot of juice but she's slow

cinder osprey
#

speed being the QD?

north oyster
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speed in regen times, etc

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check out some of Subliminal's videos on YT, he explains a lot on those

cinder osprey
#

Hm, alright

sonic laurel
cinder osprey
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Laser cannons for what?

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The pilots guns or the turrets guns?

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@sonic laurel

sonic laurel
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no turret guns unless you have a friend

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also change all your missles to rattler II's or arrester 3's

cinder osprey
#

I do and want to upgrade my turret, like I said money isn't something I'm worried about, it doesn't seem upgrading ships is the biggest cost and I'd rather my friend be able to use my turret than not

sonic laurel
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6 LF-33's

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or quarrelers if you want more range for slightly less damage

tacit otter
wicked oracle
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hello citizen, i would need your help if possible, i try to sell hadanite from my roc and i can processed the transaction but it result in a transaction failed service error. does anyone know how to fix this

gritty jackal
#

Man my luck with quantum recently has been shite

magic shard
sonic laurel
magic shard
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Because of speed / maneuverability?

jaunty portal
#

did the black cutty's scanner just change where it can't scan mineable rocks?

fallow glacier
bronze sinew
#

tfw a full Caterpillar of Titanium earns you 30000aUEC.

That's NOTHING.

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gah...

fickle zephyr
#

impossible to trade now

fallow glacier
#

Hercules will have no functionality in .13 than to carry around tonks and ballistia for some " fun " .
Till they fix trading/inventory restocks. Fingers crossed.

jaunty portal
#

I wasn't certain if the cutty's scanner shoud scan mineable rocks... it used to but doesn't seem to now

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didn't want to open a bug report unless it is supposed to

north oyster
fallow glacier
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Some rocks are bugged

hoary monolith
#

anyone got some tips for not getting lost in caves while hand-mining? I usually get to a point with a huge dropoff that I can't see a way out of so I turn around.

north oyster
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Glow sticks

jaunty portal
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thanks 🙂 makes sense if is the rock

manic whale
north oyster
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Or lack of rocks. I've been on some moons that didn't have anything to scan for about 5 minutes

jaunty portal
#

or rocks that scan but there is nothing there or they disappear

north oyster
#

that happens in the asteroid belt for sure

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If using the Cutty then you are carrying a ROC? Be sure to scan at 100% unless looking for large ore to then scan for minables after that

jaunty portal
#

yeah, I have been doing that.. but all it is difficult to not hit the ground :). Large ore is what I end up getting A LOT

north oyster
#

That's a good start. when you are near the large ore so that the icons show up, then do a 100% scan and look for minables. They will not show up unless you are within 2k of them

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You don't want to be moving fast

jaunty portal
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I put the cutty into vtol mode

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and crawl across the ground.

north oyster
#

I don't like how I loose my forward control in VTOL, so I never do that (personally). I go about half to 1/3 speed

jaunty portal
#

hmm, I may try that.. I am still trying to figure out the flight controls .. I want to use my hotas but I believe I have to hand edit the XML file to allow the use of all three (mouse/kb,hotas, and game controller)

north oyster
#

if you are too low, that could be an issue also. I think about 500 to 800 works good

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Do keep your landing gear deployed, just in case

jaunty portal
#

no, I try to keep that up as I keep ripping off its whiskers 🙂

north oyster
#

as long as the ramp doesn't damage, it is a good trip

ornate rock
jaunty portal
#

@ornate rock, yeah everything I have seen on that is around 2015 or before.

ornate rock
#

it's all easily doable from within the game

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probably because it's really not that complicated and doesn't warrant extensive tutorials any more. tho there are a few on youtube.

north oyster
#

I use dual sticks, m&k, etc and I have never directly edited a file

jaunty portal
#

I have edited my ED version so I just haven't taken the time to fully figure it out yet.. thanks for the suggestion , I will take a look at that channel

ornate rock
#

back in the super early days of SC, you even had to edit your ships loadout in xml files pawsLol

north oyster
#

ouch

jaunty portal
#

what are some good gimbled laser weapons for cutty? Any suggestion? I have snowpacks already and upgraded PS

ornate rock
jaunty portal
#

sorry wrong channel for that.

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yeah, I realized that as soon as I typed 🙂

ornate rock
#

if you want to go ROC mining, tbh drop any weapons from the ship, so you're not even tempted to fight back and instead focus on running away

north oyster
#

Always keep your weapons on the cutty, but on the Prospector, no need

ornate rock
#

cutlass black is probably the ship that has the best chances, but if you're not very well versed in pvp and have to defend yourself on top, probably better to run

north oyster
#

chg out the ballistic for all energy and you're good

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Run is always a good option. I've had NPCs attack me in the Prospector

ornate rock
#

imo it's the best options unless you really know what you're doing

north oyster
#

I normally mine where there is not a single soul on moons, but the game will spin up an NPC to keep me busy for a bit

ornate rock
#

can't even remember when I've seen the last hostile npc on a moon

north oyster
#

Get this, I dropped from an Orbital Marker the other day and an NPC spun up on me when I got to the surface!

ornate rock
#

I ran into crusader security a few times

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that was kinda weird being in mid air getting told to hold for scan pawsU

north oyster
#

Glad they dialed those down a little. I've been stopped and scanned 3 times just going to the pad to land the Prospector, for pete's sake.

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In a row! not different times but one after another

jaunty portal
#

yeah, I was looking at other missions as well if I get bored with mining to grind creds 🙂

north oyster
fickle zephyr
#

i havent been scanned once in .1

north oyster
#

yeah, scanning by patrol seems to be off in 3.12

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with Trade and Refinery 100% bent and broken, I guess I will just do Raw Ore sales and ROC mining

ember star
#

I finally found a working Diamond route. Are there any working SLAM routes?

north oyster
#

which route for diamonds? T&M on Cellin to a TDD?

ember star
#

T&M to Hurston

north oyster
#

yea, T&M is always dependable. I've never messed with Vice because it takes so long to sell off

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SC Trade might have some ideas

ember star
#

I tried SC Trade but every outpost only sales 20 at a time

fallow glacier
#

I got scanned like once at everus and once near hur l3 when mining in .12

north oyster
ember star
#

I'll continue traveling from Cellin to Hurston then.

fallow glacier
#

Yeah seems to happen sooo rarely

ember star
#

Maybe next patch

north oyster
#

@ember star I've not check it on a long time, but Astatine from Wela to Area18 use to be a good run

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it's also much shorter, time wise, than the diamond run.

ember star
#

Which outpost?

north oyster
#

Also, Scrap back from CBD to PO might make the run back a good one

ember star
#

I like that because PO is so easy to land on

north oyster
#

I don't recall if it was 061, 56, etc, sorry

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Scrap is a nice filler to avoid an empty trip back

ember star
#

That's a good idea.. Diamonds to Hurston then Scrap to PO loop

north oyster
#

it'll add a few extra coins to the purse

ember star
#

I just wish it paid enough to rent a cat.

north oyster
#

Also, if you before jumping to Hurston, if you will swing by PO and request a landing, that will anchor your ship there just incase a 30k hits you on the way

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what are you running the cargo in?

ember star
#

MSR

north oyster
#

ah, ok, yea, limited for the moment and not much return on the scrap

ember star
#

Yeah, which is why I usually go after drugs

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I think diamond is 20k each run now

north oyster
#

which isn't terrible

ember star
#

Which is fine because I work IRL while I do it

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And I have the fastest s2 drive

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Maybe 10 minutes per run plus some time at Hurston to scoop some fuel

north oyster
#

MSR is a thirsty little ship

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I'm dreading the fuel cost on my Hercules C2

ember star
#

Yeah I can only imagine

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When I first started using my MSR I shit my pants seeing how much it is to fill it up compared to the Connie

north oyster
#

agreed, I kept using my MAX to save fuel and cost

ember star
#

Now that I scoop I dont get below 10%

north oyster
#

good to know, the C2 is suppose to have two nice scoops, so we shall see

ember star
#

If you need to go AFK just land on Hurston and when you get back you'll have some fuel.

north oyster
#

I do the same thing when I mine with the ROC in the MAX. I turn off the engines but leave the ship powered up (use the "i" key not the "u"). It never drops below 98% fuel

cloud condor
#

How long can you stay afk in your ship before the server kicks you out?

north oyster
#

varies, I've been parked (I normally bring up my mobiglass) for about 10min with no issues. But then again a 30k might kick you also.

ember star
#

Trading is risky because of that. You could earn 20k or lose 80k

north oyster
#

that's why the anchor to a station trick helps a little

gritty jackal
#

im starting to despise borase

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keeps spawning where my quantum should be

ornate rock
#

go search for borase then

#

you might just end up finding only quant

gritty jackal
#

keep going in like 40 minute searches with no qiantum in places i found like clusters of 8 quantum

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tragic

north oyster
gritty jackal
#

Borass

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It keeps spawning in clusters and a pair of 2

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Making me think it's quantum

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Wana shoot it

north oyster
#

lite it up with the laser and watch it go boom .. just be sure to be far enough away

pallid lake
#

man I just love spending an hour trying to sell such a small amount of ore

manic whale
cinder osprey
#

Anyone been having trouble finding Quant recently?
I've spent 30~ minutes a few times without finding almost any Quant rocks in general and the best ones I've been finding is 10%~

north oyster
pallid lake
#

I know its broke, I'm always lurking here. That was just a small frustration outlet post

north oyster
#

big frustration for me because this is the game play that I most enjoy. It has dragged on for multiple patches. discouraging for me

hollow sedge
#

after more testing I discovered that you can use any ore type in the refinery exploit.

hexed breach
#

I just don't get it why use exploit just making servers more unstable 🙂

north oyster
cinder osprey
#

What does the exploit do exactly?

#

Duplicate your mining trip I assume?

north oyster
#

I'm pretty sure some have bot scripts that keep selling and selling on each cycle

cinder osprey
#

Ah

#

Well hopefully thats patched soon, idc about people having infinite money, if you want to not have fun thats on you. Just annoying not being able to sell anything anywhere because its all capped

north oyster
#

it happened to me and I had to claim my ship to kill everything

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lost inventory and time

cinder osprey
#

Is this bug something I could come across on accident? I've been doing lots of mining, not really trying to deal with that lol

ashen burrow
north oyster
#

by accident for me, on purpose with others. I was filling my CAT with refinery jobs. I spent ALL WEEK getting her ready. On the last day, I had 4 jobs to put in the CAT but for some reason it would not work. So I took what I had to the TDD and, tada! I have the bug 😦

north oyster
#

they only adjusted the backserver tick time for refresh. Nothing was done

#

I have another ship that is bugged out. So I have completely stopped all trade and refinery

#

The servers are getting the living dog beaten out of them

ashen burrow
#

never had and issue to sell cargo since3.12.1

#

obviously some station have a limit

hollow sedge
# north oyster seems it originated with having to use Quan and duplicate ships, now it just hap...

you still have to have more than one of the hauler, and both have to have random refined stuff before confirming 6 or more orders of said ore to exploit. In Hawkes original video, they said it was Quantanium that was bugged, and that you had to have that to get it to work. but the truth is, any ore will work because Quant is no the factor of the issue. Its multiple orders being confirmed before the terminal has a chance to catch up.

hollow sedge
hollow sedge
hollow sedge
north oyster
#

I had put about 15 loads in the CAT before it bugged out

gritty jackal
#

finally

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hit a50% quantum

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and a 20% next to it

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hopefully doesnt despawn and i can go fill up again

hollow sedge
#

Ive noticed as long as you dont crack the deposit, it would be there should be able to find it again. If you crack it and put 30km or so distance from you and that deposit, the shards will all become inert and you wont be able to collect them.

gritty jackal
#

noticed that too

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found the same spot and the 20% rock was left

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rest of that 50 had disappeared though unfortunantly

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included a deposit of 100% that was in the purple and a 100% chunk that wasnt cracked yet

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sad times

magic shard
#

ROC bugged out after I mined nice Hadanite deposit. I must have left at least 50k behind lying on the ground 🙂

sullen minnow
#

F

hollow sedge
#

@gritty jackal yea so solution to that is to have a friend or alternate account sit on the deposit. Having two accounts, two computes, will be really helpful for solo miners alike. 🙂

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Not sure if SC is worth all that though

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wont be like in eve online where I have over 100 accounts, all useful and specified to function and purpose.

grim cloud
#

Do we know if cargo running is going to be viable again in 3.13?

teal wing
#

The tea leaves say yes, the knuckle bones say no

spice rune
#

does anybody have an argo mole that i could join for like 75% 25% to you

pallid lake
#

so I am stuck on what ship to buy. I want to do cargo / mining both of which I am hoping get fixed very soon. I am about 400k short on the cat. should I get that or something more universal? I run mostly solo so I do not know what would be better

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any advice would be helpful

manic whale
#

FreelancerMAX+Prospector / Caterpillar+Mole maybe?

pallid lake
#

so I have a prospector already and have been renting freelancer

manic whale
#

so It depends in the end on how many refinery jobs can you run using Prospector = how much cargo space do you need.

pallid lake
#

I have few days off per week and usually how I have been doing is mining non stop on my first day off then running cargo on my second

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the rental freelancer has a cargo of 66scu so I have to spend a whole day running all the refinery runs I stack up

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but once cargo is fixed right, I was going to mix it up and do both mining and cargo runs

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I was thinking with a cat I could stockpile on my days off then sell maybe 1 or 2 nights after work

manic whale
#

...oh, the FreelancerMAX isnt for rent, didnt know that. It could "take" 4xProspector runs. ...cat sound like a good plan 👍

pallid lake
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I figure its safer to leave in my ship than in the refinery

north oyster
#

not sure I would encourage any game loop that has refinery. Gadget Bent

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MAX is great for Prospector runs and also hauls the ROC like a boss

pallid lake
#

got my cutlass for the roc

north oyster
#

I have three ships that wait on the ROC. The MAX is my main stay because it is super easy RORO with the extra wide ramp. I keep my cutty near by and also a Valkyrie

manic whale
#

...when we mention Prospector here - dont forget to power down the mining head, if you´re not using it. Full A-stealth equip + Atlas QD + weapons OFF + Lancet ON=5132EM ..Lancet OFF=372EM 😄

north oyster
#

I think SuperMacBrothers did a "stealth" setup for the Prospector that cut its EM signature by 75% (give take). Same video had him cracking the largest rocks in the game

pallid lake
#

wish they had a showroom floor cat

north oyster
#

agreed, Drake what's up with that?

digital thorn
#

Where can I find out details about the different refinement processes?

north oyster
#

let me look, it is important to be aware of that

#

I was looking for a chart with percentages of lost material. The High yield only loose 5%, the lower yield loose 20% right off the bat from your work.

unknown.png
#

I use the Dinyx but it takes a day and few hours, aka 1 day, 6 hours. But is cheap and keeps most of your ore. The Prometric is the same thing but fast and very expensive. The Cormack is trash.

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So, when you see "moderate yield" that means it looses 20% of the load.
"High Yield" only looses 5% of the load in processing.

green sundial
#

actually the 2 highest yield processes lose no materials. its just that everything has a base yield of 95% before station bonuses

#

thats from the XMLs

north oyster
#

that's what I was looking for, thanks for posting

fallow glacier
#

They changed dinyx processing cost from lowest to moderate after 3.12.1

#

Probably because everyone is using it

north oyster
#

I was using it and didn't notice a yield decrease, I will have to verify that. Of course, Refinery and Trade are pretty much FUBAR, so no need to do anything until 3.13

fallow glacier
#

Yeah yield is same , only processing cost changed

north oyster
#

ah, sorry, missed that. Still very reasonable

fallow glacier
#

Totally , kinda weird they changed it

north oyster
#

who is one to understand the mind of the CIG beast?

fallow glacier
#

You're right 😂

ember beacon
#

Does anyone have a good mineral prices chart?

#

For Roc mining and selling to PO that is?

north oyster
#

The gems that mine with the ROC stay at a specific price (I believe). Also, you sell them at the stations on the moon

#

you can't sell them at PO or any of the orbit stations or the TDD locations

north oyster
#

From that page

unknown.png
#

Refining is really messed up. I would tell you (for now) just to sell the raw and also do ROC mining

green sundial
green sundial
north oyster
#

I miss the diamond run from T&M to PO, that was a quick turn around and decent profit

jaunty portal
#

anyone having trouble with ROCs not spawning on Ariel?

bright steeple
#

no problem with roc on ariel here 30 minutes ago before a 30k

jaunty portal
#

hmm, it just keeps saying red x can't find it

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will try again later

#

thanks 🙂

#

are you on the US servers or just best?

bright steeple
#

US.. but I've also 30k'd twice in 15 minutes so I wouldn't expect anything to work at this point

jaunty portal
#

ah ok

#

thanks 🙂

bright steeple
#

np 🙂

jaunty portal
#

is there any tracking site for stability?

pallid temple
#

No

jaunty portal
#

thanks again

bright steeple
#

not for minute by minute, no

modern hedge
#

"Consider visiting only well-stocked shops by using the Show stock details filters."

#

wut?

#

says this on the sc trade webpage

#

found it

#

xd

gritty jackal
#

do any o the large cities really have a cap when you go to sell?

north oyster
#

they have the largest caps and the highest refresh rate, but it is a hassle none the less

real narwhal
#

Area 18 rarely gets capped but I've seen it when an org was running multiple caterpillars

north oyster
#

it's capped right now, can't sell laranite or agrcium except in very small batches

pallid lake
#

it seems like the quantanium refresh is like 800ish everytime. I had to sell my last 6600 today in 800 chuncks

fallow glacier
#

Till the refinery exploit/bug is fixed, you'll have trouble selling your stuff

cursive charm
#

Does dumping work for getting rid of quantanium only?

hexed breach
#

yes, only quantanium

storm epoch
#

Hey guys, just came back to the game.
Figured out to drop Quantanium at the new refineries at the specific stations.

I delivered a haul into my Cutlass and flew it over to Area 18, but I can't seem to sell it.

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Is there a new place to sell?

fallow glacier
#

Nope, gota wait for the server tick to refresh the stock.. it goes out of stock in seconds after refresh

north oyster
gritty jackal
#

I have had some instances where my ship dumps inert materials on its own

#

Idk what causes it

hollow sedge
#

Any guides for someone looking to get into trading?

#

This is the cargo and mining channel...

sharp rune
#

lmao XD

#

size 9 torps still cargo.. payload cargo 😛

fallow glacier
north oyster
# hollow sedge This is the cargo and mining channel...

Trade has some serious challenges at the moment. If you do trade, then there still exist options. There is a bug that is jamming the servers as it relates to trade.
Hopefully next month with 3.13 it will have some love and trade will be shored up. You can do trade now, but there is added risk beyond the normal risk

storm epoch
dreamy sapphire
#

where can I rent a prospector?

hoary monolith
#

@dreamy sapphire Refinery decks on any L1 or HUR L2

quartz tendon
#

So trading is not really viable this patch?

#

Maybe I'll try some mining

north oyster
north oyster
quartz tendon
#

That doesn't sound all that fun

#

I haven't done much on bounties. I guess I could look into that

#

Being a better shot would probably help though

north oyster
#

What size trade running are you thinking? CAT? MAX? Cutty?

#

I have some ideas you can try

quartz tendon
#

Still kind of building up my stake so more like max size

north oyster
#

Ok, it won't be big coin but it will be profit. Try diamonds from T&M on Cellin to TDD. Or astertine from Wela to Area18

quartz tendon
#

Despite the crappy cockpit I find the lancer to be a pretty fun sized trader

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I don't need big coin, I'm just happy to make some profit

#

I will try that run out

north oyster
#

Love the MAX. Flies like a brick but great fuel economy. Also fantastic for the ROC

quartz tendon
#

Hmm, I haven't tried getting the ROC in there since I heard it could be tricky sizewise. Is that not the case?

north oyster
#

ROC is fantastic. 3.11 it was broke but ok now

#

You can rent one at refinery store for about 4000 aUEC or but at 172k

#

Buy at New Deal Lorville

quartz tendon
#

I have one. I just never tried putting in the lancer since I heard the clearance was tight

north oyster
#

You have the MAX or regular lancer?

quartz tendon
#

Reg

north oyster
#

It will fit, the rear turret doesn't block

#

MAX is easy peasy

#

Just test it and see if you like it or not

quartz tendon
#

Yeah can't hurt to try it I suppose

north oyster
#

I made 168k and 203k on two runs with the ROC the other day

#

You sell the gems at the outpost on the moons

quartz tendon
#

The moons are mostly the good mining spots still?

north oyster
#

Yes, the Pembroke armor set you can get for half price at the refinery stores if you don't already have one

#

Aberdeen and Ariel were two good moons for hadanite

quartz tendon
#

Yeah picked the Pembroke up ingame recently

pliant jewel
#

Are there any areas to find quantanium or is it really just driving and scanning around. I’m fairly new to mining and have been finding mainly diamond, bexilite and etc... Any tips would be welcome 🙂

tacit otter
pliant jewel
livid jackal
#

Anyone up for making some money mining? I have a Mole and willing to split profits 50/50. I have 350k+ in upgrades

#

Looking for just 2 more people. Message me if interested

tacit otter
livid jackal
#

Ok

hollow sedge
#

@north oyster so trading isnt very viable right now? What about smuggling? Trading,smuggling,passenger hauling and exploration are all i want to do tbh. Combat isnt my forte. Although depending on rental price i could try mining with the prospector i guess. I like mining

north oyster
# hollow sedge <@141362761555771393> so trading isnt very viable right now? What about smugglin...

I've never messed with vice. The main challenge is how fast you can off load the cargo. Good margins but small quantities. Trade isn't fully dead but cookie cutter success isn't there any longer. Likewise, I'm not a big PvE or PvP player.
I would say try renting the ROC and Cutlass Black for a day. Get the Pembroke armor also. All this can be done at the refinery store found at any of the L1 points. Try Aberdeen or Ariel. Also you sell the gems collected at the moon side outpost trade terminals

digital thorn
#

Does refined Quantanium explode?

crimson mantle
green sundial
#

until someone blows you up

hollow sedge
#

Are prospectors for rent somewhere?

hardy iron
molten raptor
#

new deal at lorville.

loud belfry
#

looking to learn how to do trading

#

anyone can help?

crimson mantle
# loud belfry looking to learn how to do trading

Hello! You can start by taking a look at this 1 min primer on how trading works in Star Citizen: https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq
There are several tools made by the community to help you buying low and selling high. I can recommend mine, https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes.
N.B.: At the moment, there is a dupe glitch that makes it so trading any refined metal/mineral is very frustrating. Other types of commodities may still work OK, but won't yield as much profit.

SC Trade Tools
SC Trade Tools

Optimized Star Citizen trade routes

SC Trade Tools
SC Trade Tools

Optimized Star Citizen trade routes

crimson mantle
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Feel free to play with the filters (https://bit.ly/3r5h3Ch) to find something worth running that might be available in sufficient quantities.

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digital grove
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is salvage ship worth it these days?

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like Aegis Reclaimer and stuff

crimson mantle
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Well, salvage as a mechanic is not in the game yet.

digital grove
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good to hear.

thick elbow
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Probably a dumb question. But I just started playing. Figured I’d do some cargo runs for cash. I spent all day in Stanton and didn’t complete a single mission. Everyone I tried something bugged. Ship, location, game crash. Etc. is this normal?

olive talon
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hey everyone, I'm about to buy the caterpillar (with aUEC). Is there a better ship for cargo?

sonic laurel
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nah

manic whale
sonic laurel
manic whale
olive talon
fallow glacier
north oyster
north oyster
thick elbow
north oyster
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yes, both will

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upgrade the shields and guns

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but stock will function also

thick elbow
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Well I wanted to upgrade. But need to make $$. Hence the cargo runs. But if they can’t ever work .... I guess I’ll have to do bounties

north oyster
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Cutlass Black is also a great carrier for the ROC. You can rent a ROC super cheap at the refinery store for about 4000 aUEC and give it a test

thick elbow
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Roc?

north oyster
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Remote Ore Collector

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it's a pretty fun game loop of mining

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also get the Pembroke armor set there for half price

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You can run small trade from Wela to Area18 doing Astatine

thick elbow
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I’ll have to check it out. Anything is better than flying around all day for bugged mission

north oyster
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you'll only net about 5k, but it is a short hop

thick elbow
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I lost all my money yesterday reclaiming my ship

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5k is better than losing

north oyster
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I never pay the expidite fee, I always wait, LOL

thick elbow
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I played from 7am til 4pm .... did not complete a single cargo run

north oyster
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Deliveries?

thick elbow
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Yes

north oyster
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I call that "running pizza"

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I think those will get a nice rework soon, they need some attention

thick elbow
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Lol I called it intergalactic instacart

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My cutlass kept glitching, switched to the avenger got to my first location and the drop off icon was below the floor of shibin mining .... could drop off in container or give to npc

north oyster
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You use to make good coin doing deliveries. You could stack up to 10 or more from one area to another, like Crusader to Micro Tech. You could make over 100k aUEC but it would take awhile

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Are you running an SSD and 16g of RAM?

thick elbow
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Ryzen 5 3600, Asus x570 plus mobo, gtx2060, 32g ram, 1 tb nvme m.2

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Yeah it’s not a pc issue lol

north oyster
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rgr, much nicer than mine

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your Internet healthy?

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The icon below the building has been around for far too long also.

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If you cutty can spawn properly, then you can run some small trades that might be worth your time

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OR you can look at renting a ROC. But don't do that until you can buy the Pembroke armor

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Look up some videos on mining with the ROC before trying it. It is simple to grasp but does have some aspects that could throw you

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With the ROC, I did two runs and made 168K and 203K just a couple of days ago

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You look for hadanite and you sell the gems at the outpost stations on the moons you are mining

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I'd suggest trying Aberdeen and Arial for mining with the ROC

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One trick I will share, it takes about an extra 3 minutes to arrive but you will never be griefed by players or ever be in the dark when trying to mine.

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Which ever planet you are mining, QT to Orbital Marker 1 (OM-1)

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Drop to the planet surface from there. That is the north axis of the planet and it never gets dark there.

simple river
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How's the cargo trading this patch? Is it possible yet to find enough supplies like agricium to fill a cat?

lofty crest
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depends how patient you are

crimson mantle
simple river
crimson mantle
simple river
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Ah damn. I miss the days of filling a cat with agricium and selling it over and over haha. Guess I'll need to find a better way to make some money

crimson mantle
north oyster
simple river
north oyster
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I did a small run to TDD in Area18, took two days to sell of the agricium and laranite I had

simple river
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lmao

thorny copper
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yeah I was sitting on a max full of laranite for a week trying several places

north oyster
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even is someone has the infinite cargo bug, it doesn't matter because you could have 17Billion worth of Agricium or laranite but can only sell 20k per cycle.

ornate rock
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wouldn't be the first time someone was bored enough to use an autoclicker

north oyster
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I don't even know what that is, LOL

ornate rock
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a program that automates clicking

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ofc against ToS, but that hasn't stopped people using them.

safe kraken
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Wait...

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Autoclickers are against TOS?

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Are you kidding me?

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Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications.

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That is such a silly rule.

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There's no way they'll never enforce it, ahahah.

ornate rock
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banned in pretty much every online game

visual karma
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hey guys where is a good spot to mine these days with a prospector?

distant sapphire
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@visual karma surface or asteroid mining?

thorny copper
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Less chance of getting disturbed mining asteroids and often more profitable/purer deposits, but little more planning involved

visual karma
distant sapphire
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I like Ita and Magda for surface mining. Less crowded and has tara and bex so you won't be fighting with the traders to sell lara and agri. Asteroids is where the money is, but you need patience and the right equipment setup with consumables

visual karma
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where would a good place to ROC mine these days too?

north oyster
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I like Aberdeen for Hadanite

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I would recommend QT to OM-1 then dropping to the surface. It is always daylight there

safe kraken
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A lot of games I used to play almost require an autoclicker to avoid permanent nerve damage.

gritty jackal
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just selling quantum has been annoying

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almost have it all sold

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10 scu at a time

silk delta
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Is there a way in-game to find our what a station/outpost is buying before flying there with the goods?

hallow crag
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Guys what is the best way to earn money with a Nomad? It's been ages since I last played and don't know how the game grown in terms of money making

safe kraken
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Bounties and monitor missions are the only profitable ventures with a Nomad at the moment.

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I suppose you can also do some ROC mining.

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But the combat is better.

hallow crag
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thanks for the heads up

limpid plover
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Does the ROC still give 200k per haderite tank full?

daring vale
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I am dealing with an unusual situation of sorts - after having picked up 300k worth of medical supplies, there is simply no location to offload at all. MICL1 purchasing only 1k credits worth of cargo made sense, as did other R&R stations, but Microtech, Hurston, ArcCorp... literally every location is buying only 1k credits worth of cargo maximum?

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Is there literally no location that accepts more than 1k credits worth of medical cargo?

green sundial
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not really. I'm afraid you bought all that for nothing but a slow sell

north oyster
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limpid plover
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daring vale
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SC trade tools is what suggested the route :c

kindred merlin
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is trading dead? or still workable?

north oyster
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I would call trading "very challenged" in this patch. That will include refining in the mining game loop @kindred merlin

north oyster
crimson mantle
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I personally usually go with a refresh rate of about ¼-½ my ship's total cargo.

daring vale
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Looks like I will be selling the medical supplies at Lorville.

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Now, I am suspicious that the SC trade tools are not being honest, as the routes calculated for valuable metals says there are no wait times at all.

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At a full hold value of nine hundred thousand, which is exactly the same figure that out me in this medical supplies situation...

crimson mantle
daring vale
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Area18 it is then...

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I am happy they removed those flight path tunnels...

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It makes landing easier.

crimson mantle
daring vale
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It is mainly an issue of repeating the moonshine debacle - it is a struggle to offload a Caterpillar hold.

crimson mantle
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You can always hover over the aggregate prices in the trades presented to see if they differ from what you see in-game. Then you can make the call if it's worth it or not!

daring vale
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I just need places to dump cargo without taking a loss :c

crimson mantle
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True. Hopefully 3.13 brings some QOL for trading!

daring vale
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Even at a partial hold, 300k hurts

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I went into this to earn 200k, and instead I risk losing 300k :c

safe kraken
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That’s trading currently.

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Waste of time.

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And money.

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It’s getting worked on in 3.13 though.

coarse cape
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^ just better to do bounties for cash currently imo

rustic shoal
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Wait what, trading is a thing, I thought all we had were those painful package contracts

digital thorn
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how many completed mining jobs can I stack up? Like if I wanted to load a full Caterpillar, could I?

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@rustic shoal yes cargo hauling is a thing.

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but it's often risky due to bugs, more investment up front

rustic shoal
digital thorn
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yes

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see sites like sc-trade.tools

rustic shoal
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I will, thank you

crimson mantle
rustic shoal
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I see, thank you

north oyster
safe kraken
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This current issue is even more tedious though, since it's impossible to trade 90% of the commodities in the game.

rustic shoal
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Yikes 😦

thorny copper
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hauling used to be one of my fav passtimes in the game, haven't bothered since december or so

fickle zephyr
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isnt it fun to buy laranite for 1 million just to be able to sell it for 1 000 100

rustic shoal
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Yes 😭

crimson mantle
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Pretty much every ore/metal sells for base price because of the refinery glitch 😦

winged island
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Is the Orion available this patch?

lofty sluice
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@winged island No, it’s not on the map for this year

winged island
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Thanks a lot. @lofty sluice

hoary monolith
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Any suggestions for finding ROC minables? I know to go low and slow, using 50% pings. Any other recommendations?

ember star
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@hoary monolith Are you talking what planet/moon? Or just finding them?

hoary monolith
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finding then once I"m on the surface

green sundial
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but what moon are you on when you're looking?

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and what ship are you using?

hoary monolith
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aberdeen in a ROC

bright vortex
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how much could I make on a fully loaded prospector?

hoary monolith
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depends on the cargo. quantanium is high risk/high reward. other cargos are safer but lower profit

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all prospector mining is bad right now due to refinery/trade being messed up

green sundial
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ROC mineables should be plentiful on aberdeen

bright vortex
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when you get something like the caterpillar or the hull E, do you get special hauling contracts or do you just stack the 8000 aUEC cargo contracts

crimson mantle
bright vortex
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sell them to NPCs?

stable lion
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I'm looking forward to bulk delivery missions

bright vortex
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cuz i watched a few vids about people hauling 100k

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and how do you know the selling price of commodities at certain locations?

crimson mantle
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N.B. Trade is kind of broken in this patch, because of a refinery bug.

hollow sedge
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Cutless Black or FreeLancer?

bright vortex
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alr thanks again for the info

stable lion
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what materials are to be avoided because of that bug? any type of metal or mineral?

crimson mantle
stable lion
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right

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and what kind of outposts are suitable for specific sizes of cargo ship in terms of supply and demand?

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I assume some places would be okay in a small ship but no good for a medium or large

crimson mantle
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Correct, but it also depends on the commodity, even within the same outpost.
That's why I added an inventory filter (https://i.imgur.com/3XNgXCy.png) 😄
I personally usually use ¼-½ of my ships cargo capacity (100 units = 1 SCU) to be sure to only trade in available goods.

Imgur
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So in a cutlass, which can take-in 4600 units of cargo, I might set that filter to 2000-2500 to make sure that the goods I'm trying to get will be there.

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Not a guarantee, but it will increase your chances.

stable lion
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okay

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I'm not expecting to make megabucks or anything but it sounds like a good excuse to fly around and see some different locations

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it would be nice not to lose money on purpose, bugs aside

crimson mantle
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You technically cannot lose money, as the lowest buy price is set to the highest sell price. But you might break awfully close. And then there's fuel costs.

stable lion
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yeah

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oof there's no circular routes with stock at 5000 units / minute

hoary monolith
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does anyone have a youtube vid of scanning for minables for the ROC in a Cutlass? I'm having trouble finding them and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or if its normal to spend a lot of time looking.

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The vids I've found tend to scip the scanning step or don't show the amount of time spent really looking

thorny copper
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You fly around sending pings with your cutlass and look for rocks having a "diamond" HUD symbol

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Usually the detection boxes appear smaller than larger ship size rocks

hoary monolith
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what altitude/speed/ping strength? I've been cruising at ground level going under 30 mps and pinging at 50%

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All I find are the boulders

thorny copper
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On arial it should be fine between like 500-1500 altitude, I usually run the ping to max

hoary monolith
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about how long does it take you to find a rock to mine?

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I searched for about 45 minutes earlier today and didnt find any - just got my ROC last night

thorny copper
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Usually it shouldnt take more than a few mins to find a deposit, but you'll want something like 3-4 rocks in a group at least to make it a worthwhile stop imo

hoary monolith
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I went that long with only finding boulders. I might need to get a little more altitude

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I was flying at tree-top level

stable lion
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roc mining in a group sounds fun because you could have one person looking for the next set of rocks while a couple of people mine with rocs and then fly to where the scout found the next lot

thorny copper
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Done that a few times in party

hoary monolith
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My eventual goal is for my player two to scout rocks and fly defense for me to mine

proud hearth
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I know trade runs aren't exactly working well right now, but looking ahead at ship purchases, for a medium-sized cargo hauler what do people think between the MSR and FL Max?

hoary monolith
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but she needs to learn how to play first 😄

stable lion
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I only bought a roc ingame recently myself

thorny copper
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One guy flies arrow or other fast agile scout looking for stones, and also double as bonus anti-griefing escort

proud hearth
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yeah ideally both your scout and your ROC hauler are decent in a fight in case some griefer shows up

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and you have dedicated pilots for both so they're combat ready while the ROCs are crackin rocks

thorny copper
proud hearth
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more profit in maintenance? You mean fuel costs?

thorny copper
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Yeah, also repair/claiming fees if needed

proud hearth
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hmm, I guess it'll also come down to the creds cost in game, if it's 2x the cost of the FL Max then I'll just get the max

thorny copper
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Firepower is lackluster if you fly it solo too

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But its also quick enough that you probably can make a run for it

proud hearth
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I swear ship classifications are weird sometimes

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FL Max is listed as "Heavy Freight" and the Drake Caterpillar is listed as "Medium Freight" 😕

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... are these numbers right?! the Mass and Hydrogen/QT fuel numbers seem extremely high on the MSR comparitively.

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and the mass too, according to those numbers the MSR is 3x the mass of a connie?!

thorny copper
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Yes its fatter and has extremely powerful thrust for its size

green sundial
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the hydrogen number is because CIG didn't want to spend the time adjusting its consumption rate/intake rate

fickle zephyr
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3x the mass and 7x the thrustor power iirc

sharp rune
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Are you able to give hadanite/dolvine mined a roc which u stored in a crete from the rock to other players to sell? I know with "stolen cargo" you use to be able to go to Hex, even tho its not stolen, it shows up at mining out posts on the friends ship, but no options under sell - ship doesnt appear to have cargo. Was wondering if they went to Hex could they sell it there?

They 30k'd on route and lost the cargo so couldnt test yet

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Ive had someone steal my roc before and sell the cargo in 3.11, left door on rock open outside after getting blown up in my ship

hybrid hearth
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the ROC has cargo access at the back, any player can open it and take ore from it

north oyster
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Agreed, Let the other player access it from the ROC, then there isn't an ownership issue

upbeat vector
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I wish I could add people from my org/friends list to my ships, so they can use them/sell ore/refine/transport on my behalf. Would be awesome to then allot a commission based on goods sold/bounties completed.

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That way my friends/org could use my mole/cata, I'd get my share and they'd get their share, without any ownership issues

lethal portal
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is there noticeble difference in where to haul refined ore? Loreville, NB, A18? In terms of price and ease of selling (shop stock not full)

daring vale
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@crimson mantle I was able to offload those medical supplies at Arccorp (with a considerable profit too). Many thanks for the tip.

crimson mantle
# lethal portal is there noticeble difference in where to haul refined ore? Loreville, NB, A18? ...

All the prices are the same, if the stock levels are the same (but they usually aren't).
The places with the highest refresh rates (marked +X/min) will be the most profitable.
Area18 (https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Quantainium) is a good spot usually, but make sure to check the inventories for the specific ores you're trying to sell.

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sharp rune
hybrid hearth
sharp rune
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so I was asking if he took it to hex, Does hex still take "stolen" or
"illegal" cargo. Maybe it had nothing to do with that, but he didnt take the cargo out of my rock, he took a crete I had already taken out of a rock

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mining out post

hybrid hearth
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was it in the ship that was on the pad ?

sharp rune
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it would show for me in sell, but soon as either 1 of us removed it from my ship to his, it wouldnt let him select it under sell no ship appeared there but in the buy tab the ship showed it had the hadanite

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yea he was on 1 pad I was on the other

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He was on the larger pad, I was on the smaller 1

hybrid hearth
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i dunno then, perhaps it was still bound to the original person who made the box

sharp rune
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Im thinking that was it, because its technically my "storage", or it became stolen cargo but it would say that on the panel and it didnt.

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I will have to try getting him to remove the cargo next time xD I just happened to have 2 cretes was testing how giving them worked. I guess u cant at that point.

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also good to know someone cant steal it once u take it out of roc

crimson mantle
sharp rune
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Mkay so in other words if the player I want to have the roc cargo doesnt tske it out of the roc themselves its stuck to my inventory so to speak

lavish nimbus
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What is the most you can make per hour mining with the ROC? Can it even come close to mining quantanium?

sharp rune
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Hasnt been as nice as 3.11 but 60 mins i got 2 1/2 loads

lethal portal
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Average I would say 180k/hr. But still, if yoy effective

lavish nimbus
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Are any planets especially good for mining with the ROC? Or are they all about the same?

lethal portal
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Not the same.

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Aberdeen is top, but rough terrain

lethal wigeon
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aberdeen , put hadanite in your Pembroke + ROC and it's around 250k per hour

lethal portal
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Arial is next and much smoother

lethal wigeon
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Arial is smoother? what am i reading

lethal portal
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And you can remove ore from ROC. In case you already full, but there are nice cluster with 9 rocks

lethal wigeon
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arial is known for its little spikes everywhere

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crimson mantle
# lavish nimbus Are any planets especially good for mining with the ROC? Or are they all about t...

They differ widely: https://sc-trade.tools/mining?q=%257B%2522depositType%2522:%2522Greycat%2520ROC%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Dolivine%2522%255D%257D
Those are the best places if you don't care for terrain nor Dolivine (https://sc-trade.tools/ores/Greycat ROC)

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sharp rune
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SO I guess i'll have to test some things with group Roc mining this weekend when I go out, The plan was to take 1 ship capable of carrying up to 4 or more Rocs and go out mining, storing the Rocs cargo on ship and splitting later,

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But if it has to be the player who is going to sell the material who has to remove it from the ROC, not sure how it will work with storing it on 1 ship even temporarily before moving it to another. If the person who remove the cargo can still sell after its been put on another owners ship.

proud hearth
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trade terminals see each ROC as their own distinct inventory evne when it's parked inside another person's ship right?

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I mean, for simplicity's sake you can have the owner sell all the ore and then just transfer creds out

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but if everyone brings their own ROC onto your ship I think that works?

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wait, I must be wrong otherwise selling stolen ROC's cargo wouldn't work, nevermind

sharp rune
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Yea I know I could just give them the money, but I figured it be more fun stacking cretes up, and also allow us to keep going instead of having to sell once all rocs are full. Mind you, if we even got that far... Might just take long enough to fill all 4.

proud hearth
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yeah just filling one ROC usually takes me a couple of hours

sharp rune
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I was able to get a couple boxes in like 90 mins

proud hearth
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and often I sell before it's full to avoid 30ks either

sharp rune
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and with 30k Ive always been able to sell after

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so long as I didnt remove the cargo

proud hearth
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ah ok so they keep their inventory after a 30k? is that before you claim?

sharp rune
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yea, so what u do is go back to where u had called it

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9/10x u can retrieve that ROC

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however do NOT look inside the roc cargo hold and DO NOT get in it.

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just go straight to the storage sell panel and u should be able to sell it

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if u get in or check the cargo it will bug as empty and the cargo is lost

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Claiming is an Instant loss too of course XD

proud hearth
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ok so you specifically need the "retrieve" option at whatever station, retrieve it, then immediately sell cargo before interacting with it

sharp rune
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exactly

proud hearth
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weird, but good to know, thanks

sharp rune
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it will often say its on that moon/planet when u go to claim/retrieve it.

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and u can even call it from another outpost on that same moon, but best result is return to where it was u had been.

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but its location could say "unknown" as long as ur on that moon/planet specificially the outpost u had used before 30k, u can usually get the Retrieve and it will spawn for you.

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If you could call say a cutty to outposts, u could save ur 30k'd Cargo also, my ship is often there when I claim also but because its "too big" you can't retrieve it.

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the same applies to Prospectors/cargo runns if u get close enough to a station pad, that can retrieve ships, so long as you have been assigned a pad, u can retrieve that ship/cargo and sell. Same rules apply. Do not interact with the ship before u sell.

mellow delta
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Trading with 12 scu

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Is it possible for an ok income?

north oyster
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mellow delta
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Does smuggling help?

north oyster
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that small you might want to look at VICE

crimson mantle
mellow delta
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Thanks

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Eh, around 9k, best scenario. Its 12scu so its ok

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:stonks:

north oyster
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that's actually pretty nice for such a small run. I have run 120 SCU and not made that much before. Remember that vice sells off slowly also

mellow delta
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If i get into smuggling how do i avoid getting scaned/busted in general

fickle zephyr
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9k profit on SLAM?

mellow delta
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?

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Im new so idk whats slam lol

fickle zephyr
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druqs

mellow delta
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Ah

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Lol

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315p if anyones wondering

north oyster
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if going to the darkside, be sure to stake out your process. Check YT for advice

stoic hawk
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Especially since you just told anyone reading this channel you're about to go buy some SLAM, not likely they're on your server but y'know

north oyster
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315p is a nice little ship, good ride

fickle zephyr
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315 is perfect for drugs

north oyster
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agreed

mellow delta
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Hehe

north oyster
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"yet"?

mellow delta
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Yes

stoic hawk
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:thonk:

mellow delta
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Yet

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Invictus week is what im waiting

north oyster
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I would look at a different starter ship, to be honest

mellow delta
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Why?

north oyster
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That's when I started playing last year

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Even though the 315p is a great little ship, she is far too limited (imo) depending upon your budget, I would go Titan as a min or Cutlass Black for best results

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but the 315 will do bounties great, so maybe good considering

fickle zephyr
north oyster
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Some have gone with the Nomad, but I'd suggest going to the cutty if going that far

fickle zephyr
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1200 units is 12scu

mellow delta
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Yes

north oyster
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wow, that's way more than 9k if I"m reading it right

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aUEC is the currency of SC

mellow delta
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Ye

north oyster
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but it is all UEC

mellow delta
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I just put vice and 315p

crimson mantle
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If you're planning on getting the game, make sure to use a referral code from your friends/favourite community member/random person 🙂

mellow delta
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I did

north oyster
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agreed, that's provide extra aUEC

mellow delta
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I have an acc already

north oyster
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or UEC rather

mellow delta
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👍

north oyster
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yea, can log in and wonder around but won't have a ship

crimson mantle
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If you fill-up a 315p with SLAM, you can profit 72k (in the best case)

mellow delta
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Bruhhhhhh

crimson mantle
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Takes 144k of investment

mellow delta
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Stonkers

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Oh

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144k

crimson mantle
mellow delta
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Welp, some one here is going to grind when he gets his game and 315p

mellow delta
crimson mantle
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Combat missions and bounties are good way to make cash, they've just been buffed and are fairly fun.

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The 315p can take on quite a bit

north oyster
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Start with what you have, bet half the funds. Do a run and repeat process

mellow delta
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And its a bit more than the titan if im not wrong

north oyster
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Bounties are meta atm, this patch is totally spilt to that side

crimson mantle
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Yes, the titan has 8SCU of cargo (800 units)

mellow delta
north oyster
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I was going on cost vs features

crimson mantle
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Well, players usually won't care if you carry drugs, until you've got a bounty on your head.

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Oh fair enough, the titan is great.

north oyster
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Love the 300 series, I own a 325a ... she's a dream

crimson mantle
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And you'll most likely run from the police when they stop to scan you anyway 🙂

north oyster
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usually a fine, so that works

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20k fine though

fickle zephyr
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better to get a fine for not stopping for the police than the police scan your drugs

mellow delta
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True