industrial-professions

[forest mesa]

itll do it slower but safer

if ur running prospector though u might not be able to break some bigger mass rocks

[tepid hawk]

question 2, where's a good place to mine? I heard HUR l3 is good

[forest mesa]

depends on what u are lokoing to mine

[tepid hawk]

quant

[forest mesa]

planetary or asteroid field ?

i would recommend daymar in the crusader system

[tepid hawk]

Asteroid seems better for quant since I can leave the rocks floating and then grab it all when it's time to leave

[forest mesa]

Same thing for planets id recommend planets for prospector mining

especially with the lancet ull run into smaller mass rocks

[tepid hawk]

alright sounds good, ill head to daymar

[forest mesa]

GL mining

[tepid hawk]

Thanks!

[forest mesa]

BTW question how much money do you typically make per prospector run ?

[tepid hawk]

I just bought it, haven't mined since 3.9

[forest mesa]

Gotcha well lmk if u ever have the urge to group mine

[stiff forge]

So I'm new to this game (like 1 day old) how do you mine?

[manic whale]

You have all the info pinned up here. Watch the video/read the tutorial

[tepid hawk]

Should I be expecting 100% quantanium hauls when going solely for quant?

Or is quant always a very low amount in a roc filled with other less valuable materials

[forest mesa]

No though i would not extract anything under 50% quant when you do break the rocks

you can find quant rocks from 1-40% is what ive seen so far

[tepid hawk]

Alright, so I guess what I do is find a bunch of quant deposits, break em all up, and then vacuum the ones above 50% and get going to the closets refinery

[forest mesa]

id probably suggest finding a good 15-30% quant rock with decent mass on it break it all up scoop up the highest % first and work ur way down

[glacial oxide]

I often find 47% rocks and never go below 15% ones

@tepid hawk start at the highest one and take low ones if there's no high left

[forest mesa]

Anybody here up for some mining while everybody else is rushing xeno threat ?

[round lintel]

Is Arial still best for ROC mining after the nerf?

Haven't really done any since 3.10

[pallid lake]

I did quite well there last night lots of hadanite nodes

[tepid hawk]

aberdeen

[pallid lake]

how did you do on QT runs?

where can I buy the Novikov armor?

[subtle cradle]

Is there anywhere to sell commodities in the crusader system? Or what is the closest TDD?

More specific; refined quantanium

[pallid lake]

I always sell at area 18 or lorville

[tepid hawk]

How much would a full cat of quant be?

Ive been lucking out tonight and by tomorrow I'll have a lot

[pallid lake]

so it sells for like 80ish per unit, how many a cat hold?

[tepid hawk]

576 scu

I cant remember the conversion between units and SCU

[pallid lake]

1 = 100?

[tepid hawk]

ah okay thanks

time for math

[pallid lake]

I think

[tepid hawk]

i think

it's 10

not 100

Cause a full cat of quant would be 50mil

5mil sounds way more realistic

[pallid lake]

so my cutty has a hold of 46

or 36?

[tepid hawk]

oh no nvm I think

[pallid lake]

so the titan I am in now holds 8scu

or 800 qt

[maiden brook]

Source is from Sheppard75 on Reddit

[tepid hawk]

oh god i didnt realize "stop and collect" meant stop the process entirely

i ruined 2 full quant huals lmao

[vital glen]

hey guys what is the max mass rock i can fracture in a rented prospector?

[hollow sedge]

Ive cracked 5000+ mass with Stock mining head.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kgzdlq/struggling_mining_solo_with_a_helix_mining_head/

give this a read

even with stock mining head and surge, you can do tricks

You will find 5000 mass rocks all day long in lagrange points btw.

planet moon side you will find 8000+

Not sure about aaron halo yet as i havent ventured out there much

[subtle cradle]

Yela astroid belt is good for quantanium and bexalite. Not sure how good the standart mininghead is with the instabil quantanium rocks tho

[hollow sedge]

the lower the quant % of a rock, usually, the lower the instability as well. At least I have noticed this from previous patches, cant say for this most recent. A beginner miner could potentially make his or her way by using the stock head and mining small mass and % quant rocks still.

[subtle cradle]

Hardly worth it in my experience. Tried it when renting a prospector

[hollow sedge]

Being that we get spoiled at say, hur l3 with 40 - 50% at 5000 mass, and its close to a refinery, Yela, also Daymar might I add, has some Quant on it, and hur l3 are pretty decent areas

was it not good?

yea I used to use the helix

for quant...

lancet is the one to get

You cant still change the mining head on a rented prospector in the Hangar ?

used to be able to

[subtle cradle]

No mining 15% rocks was not worth it.
No you can't sadly

I couldnt last patch at least. I wouldnt recommend renting a prospector at all. Dont even think u can add consumables

[hollow sedge]

well considering you can find Bexalite pretty easy around Daymar, it is the next best thing to mine really.

really?

wow

that does suck

[subtle cradle]

I didnt try that. But could imagine bexalite might be worth it

But I so rarely find any decent bexalite rocks

[hollow sedge]

bexalite is the 2nd best to refine

I havent found the best place to find anything other than quant sorry

I found decent enough early in 3.12 on daymar though.

not a fan of atmo and all though

[subtle cradle]

Atmo?

[hollow sedge]

atmosphere

mining on surfaces with thick atmo is kinda wonky

[subtle cradle]

Oh of course lol

[vital glen]

can you switch a rental prospectors mining head

[hollow sedge]

fuel is a bit annoying, i tend to use AB a lot and wear my thrusters thus is all crashes me into the ground lol

[subtle cradle]

Not last when I tried @vital glen

[vital glen]

as i am having trouble mining anything with the stock setup

what is the max mass you can mine with it

[subtle cradle]

Deja vu

Scroll up mate

[vital glen]

thanks mate

[hollow sedge]

thought he was trolling for a moment

[subtle cradle]

Must've just missed it lol

[hollow sedge]

yea

used to be able to crack 5k mass

i did a lot of it

but ive been mining a while and am really good at it so i can say it was possible, but can i say you could do it the same say? idk ... im annoyingly determined to get something done and will fail 10 times to find out i cant do something and i know most people are NOT that determined

[subtle cradle]

And dont listen to the Hot tip saying the deposit is too hard to mine. It's all lies

[hollow sedge]

yea sometimes you can crack it when it says you cant

but then 8000 mass rocks wont crack with a stock mining head either so lol

just take into consderation

@vital glen

[subtle cradle]

No not even with Helix I think

[hollow sedge]

you can

Ive cracked up to 8200+ with a helix

[subtle cradle]

Oh ok

[hollow sedge]

cant say what hte max was now but it was over 8200

for me

and that was 3.11 iirc

[subtle cradle]

I only use Lancet tho. Helix is to instabile with quantanium

[hollow sedge]

for quant yes

for me, quant was relatively out of my reach in past patch cause of its spawn probability and me not having a good location to find large deposits in. I used to find GREAT agricium deposits and some quant just below om 1 on yela

and then when that mining bug was around, used to get 20% quant that way from a commonly found 2% quant

now, 3.12, quant is 15% likely spawn prob at hur l3 for example.

[subtle cradle]

Try the astroid belt of Yela. Pretty sure source of quan for me

[hollow sedge]

I will again. .. but i kinda have a lot of money atm and no need to work for $

but for testing sakes

[subtle cradle]

Nice

[hollow sedge]

I havent found good quant in yela belt as of yet.

[subtle cradle]

Wish it was me lol

I get +30% there all the time

[hollow sedge]

48.88% at @ 5000 mass was my top, and i find that every 30 - 60 min of searching at hur l3 now

[subtle cradle]

+40% actually

[hollow sedge]

I seen someone found a 49%

seems 50% is max?

[subtle cradle]

I've gotten over 50% i'm pretty sure

In Yela now. I'll see if i can screenshot one

[hollow sedge]

I would be excited if you did

I wonder what the max is then

[subtle cradle]

Well doesnt matter much in my prospector tbh. Doesn't take many % to fill it up

[hollow sedge]

Ive noticed at 5000 mass give or take, 30% fills it up with 100% quant

30% or better I mean

[subtle cradle]

Yeah sounds right

[hollow sedge]

I could host a fleet of miners if I had that many pilots

2 moles and 4 prospectors ...

so far

4 cats to haul it all away

[subtle cradle]

Damn lol

[hollow sedge]

till we get a wipe that is

[subtle cradle]

What do u use all those ships for?

[hollow sedge]

collecting dust

lol

even in testing and pre release, we gets the $ and the gurls and the drugs and we win

[subtle cradle]

Lmao

[subtle cradle]

The new xeno threat really screws us miners over tho. The server turns to poop when too many players are doing it it seems

[still moat]

hey guys, does anywone knows good trading routes for the carrack?

the trading tools are not realy working yause i canot fill my ship

[azure prawn]

Is trading got fixed this patch? (3.12.1)

[crimson mantle]

Have you tried with a bigger refresh rate?
https://i.imgur.com/3XNgXCy.png

Unfortunately, the servers haven't been behaving as expected lately.

[hollow sedge]

cig said they fixed that infinite money bug but it isnt fixed

with refinery loop

[elder anchor]

I do like this idea. why a cutty red though?

[bright lotus]

that would be a more @wet shadow question. Most likely is what they have.
I just reformatted what he said prior to make sure i read his message right.

One theory i would put out there is if you have a cutty red. you have med beds, so if you set those as your spawn points for death. then you can mine for hours. Dont have to really worry about food or water since if you die you spawn at the cutty red with full food and water again. At least that is my line of thinking looking at their plan

[wet shadow]

@elder anchor cutty red has a great scanner on it, you use the cutty red to scout the big rocks

[elder anchor]

what about the ones that are supposed to be scanner ships, would those be even better?

[round lintel]

Yo, refinery decks. The refiner's don't seem to notice ore I've got in a box in my hands, was I supposed to leave it on my ship?

[pallid temple]

You don't refine gems

[forest mesa]

im always down to mine but what we typically do is use 3ppl mole 1-2 prospector it doesnt have the best scanners but if u come across really good quantanium u can have the prospector extract and haul to refine while keeping the Mole going

[hollow sedge]

hey so I have a ROC but I dont have a ship to carry it so does anybody with a ship that can carry a ROC want to team up and split the earnings 50/50?
I am on EU servers DM me if you are interested

[hexed breach]

just rent a cutty black

[unreal flax]

Hi, can someone recommend a ship I can buy Ingame for trading? I got a budget of about 5million but I haven't really looked around the dealer ships

[ornate rock]

cat is around 4million

[hexed breach]

just brought freelancer max for 120 cu in game, they weren't kidding when reviewers say a flying brick 🙂

[coarse cape]

Get a caterpillar

[forest mesa]

Anybody doing some mining today ?

[tepid hawk]

If I 30k while hauling refined ores to lorville or a18 I'm screwed right?

[pulsar bloom]

yes

[pallid lake]

anyone know the largest freighter (most scu space) that can be rented in game?

[dusky fjord]

Caterpilar

[pallid lake]

do you know what station that can be rented from?

and does that mean this is not up to date? https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/ShipRentals

just found that link btw

[pallid temple]

You can't rent a Caterpillar

[pallid lake]

yes didnt think so

[deep robin]

guys where do we sell refine items?

[pallid lake]

what items?

[deep robin]

gold diamonds quatinium ect

[pallid lake]

loriville or area 18 is where I usually sell

that type of ore

[deep robin]

thank u!

[noble condor]

i believe the new C2 Herc has more cargo space than the cat

[coarse cape]

Pretty sure yeah but it’s a fuel drainer so

[noble condor]

ive been looking for a good cargo ship to buy, and id save up for a C2 but it would probably be a while until it is available for in game purchase

[coarse cape]

Yeah

Cat is good anyways

Only cargo ship I have is a msr but I might pledge for a tarus

[noble condor]

ill probably either go for the cat or freelancer MAX, as i currently only have 3 mil

[coarse cape]

Well you’re close to cat so it would prob be better for a cat

Imo I think max is more for roc mining/small cargo jobs

[noble condor]

yeah, i think my main goal for a cargo ship is for transporting refined metal after using my prospector

so cat would be best

[coarse cape]

Yeah

I’m grinding up for a prospector currently

[pallid lake]

how much is the cat?

[noble condor]

being able to swap the mining head is extremely helpful

[coarse cape]

Around 4 mil @pallid lake

[pallid lake]

eek, long way to go

[noble condor]

where do we buy it?

[coarse cape]

Uh

[noble condor]

cause levski got the boot

[coarse cape]

I don’t remember honestly

Yeah

[noble condor]

i heard the cat was moved, but dont know where

[coarse cape]

Maybe NB?

[noble condor]

i guess ill look around

ive also been tempted to buy the mole, but as i am mostly a solo player im not sure if it is worth it

[coarse cape]

Yeah

Moles good if you have 3-4 people

Mole is*

[noble condor]

i guess the mole is good for solo as it as 3x the cargo, but the 5 mil may not be worth it

[coarse cape]

Eh

Most of the time you need 3 people to help crack rocks

[noble condor]

i guess ill stick to the prospector until i find a group to play with

[forest mesa]

Hmu if ur ever looking for Mole crew or do some Prosp with Mole mining OPS

[noble condor]

alright thanks for the offer!

[elder anchor]

Is there a way to see how much stock an item has at the station other than trying to see if it will or won't fill up my ship? And also how can you find out it's spawn rate?

[pallid lake]

whew had to avatar reset but didnt lose my refinery runs!

[forest mesa]

ya same i sweating for a second

[pallid lake]

lol I was freaking out!!! I was at the end of 7 hours and just rented a freelancer to start hauling them all in

[pallid lake]

wow freelancer handle like a bus with no wheels in atmosphere

day off well spent.... 6 prospector runs for QT to start off the morning, then roc mining for the next 7 hours waiting on the refinery runs and the last 2 hours selling all the ore

[proven moss]

need a pilot for the mole. will pay 1 mill per run

[daring raft]

After waffling hard over the last few days I decided to forgo the Harbinger I was eyeing and went with a Prospector. Just curious what a good haul looks like in this behemoth. QT seems to be the go-to. It has a 15 timer so makes me nervous (intended I’m sure). Just wanted to ask here before I delve into content creators and the YouTubes

[strange burrow]

@noble condor you can swap the head on the rental to put a lancet if you want to be efficient. You just need to rent it and buy the head. Return to the main menu and load into your hangar. There you can equip the head an consumables.

If you are serious about mining and do it daily, I easily recommend splurging on the Mole. I just bought it with my friend and it is really good.

I play it half the time solo, the other half with just my friend and it is great.

Equip a lancet under the cockpit and an helix on the side.

I never encountered a rock I couldn't break solo. Some were more long to mine because the power didn't go up fast and the instability made it rough but you can still break them.

The 96scu is very nice so you maximize your mining runs. Also be sure to mine in the Aaron Belt. Planet side the Mole can be a pain

[strange burrow]

@daring raft here is the list of minables you should focus on to make your trips worthwhile:

Quantinium, Bexalite, Taranite, Laranite and Agricium.

Try to limit the amount of Inert you pick up as much as possible. 32scu of QT goes for about 256k and Agricium for about 83k

Make sure to equip the Lancet head(perfect head for easy mining and QT)

[strange burrow]

@proven moss how can you pay one mil per run if a run can only net 768k if you have 96scu of only QT?

[frail knoll]

Haven’t played in awhile. Helix no longer the one and only mining head you want to use?

[strange burrow]

Nah, it was nerfed about 80%

Lancet reduces instability and resistance by 75% it also makes the optimal window bigger

So for solo and especially quantinium mining the Lancet is a must.

But the helix does provide more power, so it is a great second head on a Mole since perks are additive

[tardy flower]

Greetings everyone. Just a question : Can we change the head of the starfarer to make the gemini able to creat fuel ?

[pallid temple]

Probably not

[static cosmos]

Yes you can replace the middles with the scoop, though the difference in refining is unknown atm

[forest mesa]

Me n my buddy are the same if u guys ever wanna crew up hmu

[hollow sedge]

my ROC keeps exploding inside my Cuty when returning to an outpost to sell, never taken damage, any idea why that happens?

[frail cairn]

why cant i sell any of the quantanium i mine lol

i cant sell any of it, ever

after processing

[willow girder]

Really?? What ship and where?

[strange burrow]

@frail cairn Just to make sure to cover the basics:

You need to refine/sell ores at a refinery(All the L1 stations or HUR-L2)

Then you need to sell the refined materials at the TDD(not Admin) in Lorville, Area 18 or New Babagge.

The stock is global and can be full. So you need to either server hop or wait between 5-15 minutes for a refresh to be able to sell more. The best refresh rate is currently at ArcCorp(need validation if it is still accurate).

[frail cairn]

@strange burrow yep, went to TDD and tried selling every 20 min and it was just full everytime

at arc corp

there must be some dupe or something ppl are just filling the market up w/

[strange burrow]

That's strange. Yesterday it was full for each of my run but the usual wait around worked.

[pallid lake]

Alpha that looks like a different error, if the market was full you wouldnt even get that far in the transaction

[safe kraken]

It’s completely broken.

Same thing happened to me at Grim Hex.

Needs to be fixed. Rate of what I was selling is supposed to be +100/min and it was a very inconsistent +18/10min.

I just eventually cut my losses.

Trading is a joke right now.

[ornate rock]

I think the refinery dupe wasn't fixed with 3.12.1

ye, looks like it's still in LIVE

[strange burrow]

The refinery dupe? The one where you over collect a work order?

[hollow sedge]

I think the most I was able to sell in one go was around 170 million credits. now look at the markets lol

cig did NOT fix the refinery bug no ..

though it is stated so in the patch notes

[safe kraken]

Love how they ruin trading instead of fixing the exploits.

Because honest traders are clearly the bigger issue.

[strange burrow]

Yeah, I can't wait to have proper trading. I upgraded my pledge to a Freelancer for trading and can't even do it right now.

[safe kraken]

Hopefully it gets fixed in 3.13.

[hollow sedge]

hopefully

[hybrid stump]

Hello

New player here

I am able to use referral code? I been playing for 3 days now

[hexed breach]

I think you had to use it when you made your account not sure if you can still apply it

[hybrid stump]

Aww alright thanks

[crimson mantle]

You cannot retroactively apply it. If you have friends though, you can send them yours for when they sign-up! 😄
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/account/referral-program

[proven moss]

need a pilot for the mole. will pay 1 mill per run half up front

[forest mesa]

Damn chuck ill pilot 3 for ya next time with that kinda pay

[obsidian crypt]

That's tempting

[unborn lintel]

hey does cargo still suck right now???

[iron solar]

That's sound enticing, but I don't know if I'm experienced enough.

[proven moss]

need a pilot for the mole. will pay 1 mill per run

[humble minnow]

if you're still up for it, i'll pilot. i'm bored anyway

[hybrid stump]

I'm only

Online

[lofty crest]

yes, TDD will take full stock but good luck getting a full cargo hold in normal times

refresh still at 7minutes

ish

[teal crater]

what is a good site for trade routes... hard to find one as most locations have literally 5 scu of stock

u have a cat and 1 million to spend

used trade tool with stock option but damn cargo running has seen better days why do any of this when you can do a pretty easy bounty for 60k that takes 10 minutes...

[lofty crest]

cargo running is dead

focus on combat etc, report it more, the quicker they work out combat n stuff the quicker we can get back to trading

[unborn lintel]

yeah i tried to fill my cat up with titanium an it was only giving me like 7 each time after waiting like 20 mins. well time to start mining again thanks yall

[crimson mantle]

With the inventories behaviour being so off, there's unfortunately not much to do: all the good stuff is out-of-stock 😦

[teal crater]

yeah you can do scrap for 30k per run but not worth the money you risk and bad return

mght save up some aUEC and get a prospector

but then again bounties seem to be better then anything

[velvet fractal]

if i put a completed order in a ship that cannot hold the whole order - does the ore that doesnt fit save in the refinery so i can come around again to pick the rest up or does it dissapear?

[pallid temple]

It won't let you collect it if the ship can't hold it all

[velvet fractal]

huh, thanks for the info man 😄

[velvet fractal]

why cannot i sell at new babbage?

[willow girder]

You are at the mining terminal.

What you wanna sell is cargo though.

Go to trade & development

Refind ore is a normal commidity

So its normal cargo

[fast hull]

I'm kinda new to cargo, does anyone have some good runs I can do in my freelancer?

[pulsar bloom]

trading is bugged right now with a lot of items out if stock or not being able to sell

[fast hull]

Amazing

[crimson mantle]

When it is fixed though, I developed https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes explicitly to help traders! 😄

[fast hull]

Thank you so much

[onyx rapids]

Hey guys, how and where to I get my ROC into my ship? Sorry just reinstalled the game

[crimson mantle]

You land to a "mining" outpost on a moon or planet and go to the building with the blue spire thingy. They will have pads to spawn ground vehicles.
From there you can go out and explore, or load it in your ship.

[fallow turret]

can I tag along with someone and mine I ahvent done it yet would liek someone to show me the ropes

[proud forge]

I'm down. Let me know. I got a ship and we can use

Lf Mining and cargo delivery 1/4

[pliant matrix]

do we have an idea about C2 release date or period? I heard june or july some times ago but I've been off for a while

[crimson mantle]

Tentative for 3.13: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/release-view
So could be as late as mid-June if not delayed.
Not earlier than late March.

[pliant matrix]

ho I see

nice

I just upgraded my msr to C2 since I missed the chance on last event

wait if 3.13 is Q1 it's meant to be march at last. Or better bet for a report on Q2 maybe

[crimson mantle]

They did say that the C2 was planned for a "3.13.X" release, like the MSR was in 3.11.

[pliant matrix]

yeah so during Q2 wich mean between march and june (being optimistic xD)

[opal robin]

Gallog still the most up to date website for trading? my friend is trying to trade and used gallog, the outpost it told him to go too doesnt have what gallog says it should. anyone know why that is?

[crimson mantle]

I cannot say for Gallog, but https://sc-trade.tools is updated with the latest patch data.
Granted, cargo running has issues in 3.12.1: a lot of inventory is out of stock.

[opal robin]

Thanks, Ive linked it to him. hopefully it works. 3 of us just pooled our money to buy him a Cat to do trading in

but its not going well so far lol

[crimson mantle]

I've heard reports of even titanium shortages.
Best bet, with the refinery dupe-bug still happening, is to avoid trading anything minable. YMMV.

[strange burrow]

Yeah people are abusing that and it is breaking everything for everyone.

[strange burrow]

Anyone know why all of a sudden my ship randomly shuts off and gives me unstable power plant warnings?

Also, since yesterday everything I mine shows up as Inert material in the HUD but is fine when Im at the refinery

[sonic laurel]

thinking about scanning quality hadanite deposits and selling the location to ROC miners. I was thinking something like 5k per hadanite rock. Sound like a decent business model?

[safe kraken]

5k really cuts into profits, and then you’ll be more of a guide because it wouldn’t be realistic to give out maps.

[sonic laurel]

yep. beacon

[safe kraken]

So you’d probably be better off monetizing your business by offering services as a guide and taking a final cut.

Less complicated.

[sonic laurel]

I want something I can do at work. Scan dead ground and find 9 hadanite. get paid then be a beacon for someone to show up. then I move on

[safe kraken]

It’ll be harder to get customers at random like that.

Especially with the events going on.

[sonic laurel]

true

[safe kraken]

And the time that it would take for them to actually get to you and drop the rocks that they’re currently work on might actually cause them to come out at a loss, especially with the 5k payment per rock.

I’m sure that you could get into some various different orgs and mining groups that would keen on having a guide.

I know I would hire one. It would double profitability.

Dedicated guide as a job would be far more realistic than charging for finding a rock, although both could probably make money eventually.

[sonic laurel]

honestly it was an idea I had while hunting for ROC's to rob XD

[safe kraken]

[sonic laurel]

money is money

[safe kraken]

That’s the other thing.

I’d be worried about pirates.

Setting me up.

[sonic laurel]

no profit for pirates

pirates want people who have been mining awhile

[safe kraken]

Except you’re gonna get profit if someone brings their ROC.

And anyone who is interested will already be out there with a ROC.

Probably half-full.

80-100k easily.

[sonic laurel]

yep. xeno-threat dried up targets. Now I'm willing to be legit for cash lol

[safe kraken]

For real.

All legit ways are now awful too.

Except for mining.

Trading makes me want to cry in this patch.

[sonic laurel]

bounties are wondermous

I do that most of the time while wishing piracy had more ways to make money

[strange burrow]

We don't do that here. It's #industrial-professions we don't talk about #flight-combat-racing! ||/s||

[violet coyote]

How do you know it's MISC?

[half grotto]

Tfw replied to over a 1.5 month old post

CitizenCon panel

[ornate rock]

that's more than a month

[violet coyote]

@half grotto During the CitizenCon panel they mentioned that the ROC would have been either MISC or ARGO, but it turned out to be Greycat Instead. I don't remember them saying anything related to a potential manufacturer when it came to the Starter Refinery ship.

I'm also hoping it's going to be MISC for synergy with the Prospector and I'm trying to find out if that info is officially out there somewhere.

[fallow turret]

In need of another crew member taht ha sno distractions

DM me if interested

[small holly]

Hi, anyone has a good trade route/tip? I haven't played the last 2 versions, did laranite runs back in the day.

using a Nomad now

[sonic laurel]

https://sc-trade.tools/

[small holly]

nice, thanks

what's your usual choice for trading?

[sonic laurel]

whatever I steal from ROC miners

[hearty pike]

Impact or Lancet laser for prospector>?

[pallid temple]

Lancet

[vocal chasm]

@sonic laurel not the best chat to brag about that

[sonic laurel]

perhaps not. but shouldn't you be mining my hadanite? :^)

[vocal chasm]

xD nah I'm switching to bounty hunting since the MAX isn't the most fun ship to mine with. I mean you can hover in place but your engines will almost overheat by doing so.

But if I get bored of that maybe I'll give it a try

but I'll make sure to be save of pirates like you ^^

I have my ways

[sonic laurel]

do make it interesting

[mint cloud]

just kiss already..

[sonic laurel]

Not on the first date

[vocal chasm]

whatever

[thorny copper]

don't mine on planets with MAX

stick to moons and it won't have an issue staying in the air

[hoary monolith]

Other than missing person contracts, whats a good way to find caves for hand mining? some of the missing person caves take too long to get to.

[sonic laurel]

There isn't one honestly. what ship do you have and how much money? Because a ROC is the way to go tbh.

[hoary monolith]

I've got a Cutty and am getting the credits together to buy a ROC

hence why I'm doing hand mining. I'm not good enough for doing bounty hunting yet, and combat to me is the least interesting thing to do in the game

[sonic laurel]

it's way faster to do investigations

and 30k -proof

you can earn the ROC in a couple of hours.

[hoary monolith]

I'm still new, made 15k today in about 2 hours mining with a investigation mission. wasted a lot of time on mining thing other than Hadanite, getting lost, and flying to the cave.

Next time I need to bring oxypens and some flares

and only stop to mine Hadanite

[sonic laurel]

not cave investigations

there is a PI mission. if you do it right it pays 10k and after the first time only takes like...5 minutes to get through

and it is reoccuring

[hoary monolith]

I'll take a look next time I'm in game. Do I need to be in a particular area for that one to be avaliable?

[sonic laurel]

crusader

it takes place in a damaged station called convalex shipping

also there is the security post pirate mission where you FPS some pirates for 21k

[hoary monolith]

I'll head to CRU and see about the PI mission.

[sonic laurel]

it's under your personal tab

[hoary monolith]

thanks for the info

[sonic laurel]

np

[wet shadow]

any miners out here wanna crew a mole?

[pallid lake]

@hoary monolith I think you can rent a roc for a day for 2,700 and a single hadanite trip is like 200k, enough to buy a roc and bank some profit

[hoary monolith]

Cool.. I'll give that a try tomorrow.

[pallid lake]

actually 4700 at cru1 now

best power plant for a prospector? anyone?

[sonic laurel]

is the stock one not working well for you?

[pallid lake]

mining out in the astroids, always running low on power by the time I find the right rock!

[sonic laurel]

power or hydrogen fuel?

[pallid lake]

power

[sonic laurel]

power is produced as long as you have hydrogen fuel

can you screenshot your issue?

[pallid lake]

so whats the little power meter that starts around 1700 and drops during ship use

[sonic laurel]

screenshot it for me

[sonic laurel]

that's how much power you're using

[pallid lake]

I get computer saying warning power low all the time

it gets lower and low all the time as im flying

[sonic laurel]

weird

when I flew one it didn't do that

[pallid lake]

if I drop a full power scan it knocks 30 off the top

[sonic laurel]

just keep going

you won't bottom out

your PP puts out a certain amount of juice. As long as everything you use stays under that limit you're gucci. If you go over one or more systems will temporarily shut off

[pallid lake]

its under 1000 since that screen shot

[sonic laurel]

keep going

[pallid lake]

I usually find that 30% + qt rock before it runs out anyways I just thought it was something I needed to upgrade

[sonic laurel]

nah. default is fine.

ship don't run out of power unless they are running more modules and overclocking than the PP can keep up with.

[pallid lake]

thats what I was trying to figure out

I have had a roc die on me and I figured I ran it out of power... just stalled at the base of the ramp and I had to manually move the cargo

[sonic laurel]

you must have something set wrong

[pallid lake]

nothin overclocked weapons off full power to engines and shields

even if I just jump in and go ans change nothing it does the same thing

[sonic laurel]

maybe you throttled your PP output

[pallid lake]

trying to run it down now. turned everything back on

[pallid lake]

I am not sure this menu is what I think this menu is

either that or it is not functioning as it is supposed to

[vocal chasm]

As far as I know you never need to change anything in these 2 menus that you showed in your picture exept if you switch to the items tab where you can overclock stuff.

So removing all power from your weapons could've caused a problem.

[hoary monolith]

How hard is it to make back the cost of renting a ROC for a day as a newb? I've done some hand mining, but am interested in trying out the ROC.

[hexed breach]

renting roc is not expansive you will need another ship to haul that around cost do addup
on good mining few hrs you can make it all back

[hoary monolith]

I've got a Cutty to haul the ROC and I've already got the exposure suits

only new cost will be the ROC rental - sounds like I'll be good to go

[gray remnant]

i wonder if prospector goes free fly tomorrow

[hoary monolith]

that would be cool

[gray remnant]

so the stage 3 in xeno is only combat?

[hexed breach]

roc holds 800 units of ore if you fill like 200 up and put into boxs to sell on your ship should net you around $150kish auec

[sonic laurel]

about 1/3rd of a single load pays you back and then some

[hoary monolith]

In that case I know what I'll be doing next.

[sonic laurel]

hopefully avoiding me

[hexed breach]

all depends on luck

[sonic laurel]

because I also want that hadanite you mine

[hexed breach]

pirate 🏴‍☠️

[sonic laurel]

nonsense

businessman

I offer my services to all

even people who don't want them

[vapid geode]

does drug run work at all in this patch?

[hollow sedge]

does any cargo work in this patch at all?

[strange burrow]

Cargo is dead rn

Only worth it if you are a masochist

[vapid geode]

scrap route still works in case you are unaware of that

rn I have trouble to even find a terminal for illegal goods

[terse fable]

yep scrap works great, make about 2.5k per run carrying 96SCU

[idle sigil]

star runner or freelance max for cargo?

I'm playing mostly solo and very casual player

Currently I have a Titan

[lofty crest]

max for cargo

but trading is pretty null n void atm

[idle sigil]

why cargo void?

[lofty crest]

low refresh rates on commodities coupled with low supply make hub jumping take way longer to fill up anything

[idle sigil]

ahh

so its really just mining then?

[sonic laurel]

bounties

[idle sigil]

for value time spent

[sonic laurel]

nothing beats being quick at bounties right now

[idle sigil]

ok. so the titan may be good enough till cargo gets better

[lofty crest]

combat is the main focus atm, cargo will get its time in the sun

[sonic laurel]

how much AUEC do you have?

[lofty crest]

but its gonna need a few background things

[idle sigil]

21

[lofty crest]

in the end cargo will be huge money

[idle sigil]

just started playing again after about a year and some change

freelance max will only go down in price never up correct?

[thorny copper]

doubt it will do either tbh

[idle sigil]

i just meant down in a sale or something like that

not perm

[hoary monolith]

where is a good place for ROC mining? I tried on Cellin but only found a few
Aphorite deposits that I could mine with the ROC - most of what I found was too big

[sonic laurel]

arial

[hoary monolith]

what location on Arial?

[sonic laurel]

bezdek

[hoary monolith]

This is my first time with a ROC, so I'm not sure what to look for other than scanning and going for the diamond icons

[sonic laurel]

that's it

[hoary monolith]

I'll give that a try

[sonic laurel]

mine hadanite and dodge pirates/bugs/30k's

[hoary monolith]

well, my first session ended with a bug that blew up my cutlass/roc/what little I had mined

[sonic laurel]

such is life

[hoary monolith]

yup, it's an alpha

[wet shadow]

so whats the deal with cats crashing into planet at a-18? or is it just me?

[hoary monolith]

I just hit Hurston unexpectidly - it was like my thrusters gave out

[thorny copper]

did you mistakenly decouple? happened to me a few times

[hoary monolith]

i might have. for my joystick its the same button, just with a modifier

[thorny copper]

ahh

wish the game better indicated when those things were on/off, but guess its on the to-do list

[hollow sedge]

If anyone is planning to haul Titanium from Lathen Ariel to Everus, don't. Gallog is full of shit

[crimson mantle]

Everus doesn't buy Titanium: https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > Hurston > Everus Harbor > Admin 😦
Close to Hurston, only 2 places do: https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer?q=%257B%2522itemName%2522:%2522Titanium%2522,%2522itemQuantity%2522:1,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2520%253E%2520Hurston%2522%255D,%2522locationNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522%257D

[fickle zephyr]

is there a time limit on hauling refined quant?

[hexed breach]

yes, from first extraction it is 10min the alarm goes off at 7min and beeps gets faster till it explodes no time limit for refined ore

[pallid temple]

They said refined

Refined Quantanium isn't volatile

[hexed breach]

ah didn't read that part ty

[pallid temple]

And the timer is 15minutes

[hexed breach]

15min is the beeping timer correct at 7min?

[fickle zephyr]

👍

i like that is say time until quantanium goes inert

[winged vault]

hey guys, so I have a full cargo of diamonds in my Cat but it's not letting me sell any of it at lorville or grimhex when I went, I was wondering if anyone else is having those issues with diamonds?

[old stump]

I think trading is a little broken I couldn't sell anywhere I went

Disregard try Area 18 just had some luck

[winged vault]

alright I will, @old stump Appreciate the help

[wet shadow]

do not take a cat to a-18!

i have lost 6 loads out of 9

acorp is eating cats

or its just my dumb luck

[old stump]

@winged vault I would hold back in that case read rookis message

[wet shadow]

my loads are from mining tho, separate jobs with ppl

[fickle zephyr]

does it exit QT too low?

i have lost a few million to that

smack right into a skyscraper

[strange burrow]

Hangars love to bite Cats

[hollow sedge]

Actually Area 18 buys them also

Seems like you guys need to update also

Trading is still a mess

[lofty crest]

trading isnt gonna be the focus for a while, not until they do a decent pass over things

if you really wanna do it you need to be planet hopping from one place to another

and even in that the ratio of time to profit is way lower than doing bounties

[meager saddle]

Absolutely

[steel flame]

Trade is Useless currently for a while now and trade system not coherent

[safe kraken]

The economy doesn’t exist in-game.

Not even close.

And the stock issue is just horrifying.

In a system like Stanton, there’s no way that a Freelancer should be able to clean out a station.

[lofty crest]

from what i understand stock is shared over not just one instance but several so multiple people are competing for tuppence

if you want hope just watch Tonys panel on the economy system from one of the come

coms

its amazing

[ornate rock]

stock is shared between all servers in a region afaik

[pallid temple]

Its all the servers

[crimson mantle]

Oh we're all updated 😉
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Titanium

I was listing the places near Hurston only

[lime ledge]

where is the best place to mine atm? (i have
prospector)

[bronze sinew]

Oh for fucks sake.

Could anyone have told me that you need to LEFT CLICK to scan a rock in Scanning mode?

I literally ragemelted my Mole because I didnt know T.T

[whole onyx]

https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/bd9af7c8-708d-4fb1-9a6f-9ccf52a18cb4/page/uQomB

[lime ledge]

oh shit

thanks 🙂

[whole onyx]

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/

this is super helpful too

I'm just heading out to experiment with the Roc and try out the refineries myself

or maybe those don't apply to gemstone mining...

https://vngd.net/mining-guide

for refinery info

[devout badge]

is it updated ?

A friend told me few weeks ago they nerfed the mining ?

we used to play in september, I appreciated the mining, but he told me that mining changed since the september free fly

[dense burrow]

S4G's is updated for 3.12.0 last I saw.

[whole onyx]

Not totally sure, I've mined since and still made some decent money

[devout badge]

And Yela/Daymar still are good spots ? Considering time travel between Mining and Selling at Port Olisar ?

[dense burrow]

Yeah - Latest ver is 3.12. Mining was not touched in 3.12.1 so the document is still valid.

[devout badge]

Or is there something more opti ?

[dense burrow]

For that I recommend using SC Trade Tools mining chart.

https://sc-trade.tools/mining

@devout badge SCTT will give you an OVI (Ore Value Index) which will help you decide which planets are worth focusing on. It gives you what deposit type is found on each planet so you can set your loadout accordingly.

TLDR: Aberdeen, Daymar, Ita, Magda and Yela are the highest output moons (on paper anyways)

[devout badge]

Oh ok thanks I see

I just need to know what each deposit means

like difference between obsidian and shale

But thanks mate, very appreciated

I'll stay on Daymar and Yela then, it's closer to the first selling thing

[dense burrow]

@devout badge - You can click on each deposit on that page (downward facing arrow) and it will expand each deposit to show what is generally in them / the weighted value of finding that mineral in a rock.

Example

[inland berry]

can someone explain to me how cargo running works?

and how much profit will i get with a nomad?

[dense burrow]

Buy Resource/Trade good at Location A - Sell at Local B - Profit

[inland berry]

ok

[dense burrow]

@inland berry Depends on what cargo you are carrying and where you are selling it.

[inland berry]

roughly

is it better than doing merc missions with 20000 each

[dense burrow]

As I said, it depends. Generally speaking the top payout this patch is ERT mission running (PVE Tracker Missions). Trading can be super profitable but there are problems with it right now.

[sonic laurel]

so aberdeen is the hottest place to mine now

[inland berry]

roughly how much....

[dense burrow]

On paper it is @sonic laurel

[inland berry]

a number just to base around

[sonic laurel]

are there other factors that make it less desirable?

[devout badge]

Yeah, I think I'll need to put an more focused eye on it then now being working :p Should be pretty simple to understand I think ^^^

[lofty crest]

with super low refresh rates shared across servers, you are fighting for very little scu

[sonic laurel]

for hadanite mining?

[dense burrow]

@sonic laurel There is a level of randomness that comes into play. Sometimes a planet (Aberdeen for example) will have absolutely crap deposits, but Yela might be pumping out high value Laranite deposits.

[lofty crest]

oops thought i was talking about cargo my b

[dense burrow]

Certain regions seem to sometimes alter their ore ratio.

I found Daymar and Arial easier to mine Hadenite because of the visibility as well.

[sonic laurel]

so I have a ROC and a cutty. Where would you recommend I mine?

[dense burrow]

Try Arial. The planet is a bit more forgiving to fly around.

The dust storms on Aberdeen can be nasty

[sonic laurel]

arial. got it

thank you

[hollow sedge]

guys... why argo MPUV cant have QD size 0? and like 20 quantum fuel? just to go around planet..

i mean.. in other side of the planet

to be nice small drom ship

or to get goods for javelin etc? till its in orbit of some planet

cose for example.. to get from lorvile to everus for MPUV is pain in ass\

[pallid temple]

I mean my only question is why

[hollow sedge]

not asking for trans planetary QD

[pallid temple]

Why would you even consider flying the thing

[hollow sedge]

cose of its cocpit

way better than valkyria cocpit

8 ppl in pod

unarmed dropship.. for tide places

cose it size

to transport like ppl from city to orbital station

to transport food supply to huge warship in orbit

[wet shadow]

about to take a mole out anyone wanna mine?

[sonic laurel]

any ship with interior space is fine for a dropship

avenger could drop 10 people

[hollow sedge]

have you tryed it since 3.12?

[split minnow]

Aurora can drop a dozen people but its like a Clown Car in space

[hollow sedge]

terapin can drop even more people in space after it qj..:D

have you guys heard about people get died after QJ becose of force reaction?

[pallid temple]

It happens if you QT really close to a moon or a planet

Most common cause for it is Crusader

[hollow sedge]

soo what does drop ship do? QT to middle of deep space?

[pallid temple]

No

Its to drop off foot soldiers to wherever they need to go

[hollow sedge]

moust likely on planet or moon

all i ask is just size 0 quantum drive on that tiny little argo.. and few points of quantum fuel.. to get around planet

[pallid temple]

s0 quantum drives aren't a thing

[hollow sedge]

but could be

[pallid temple]

Highly doubtful

Its either s1, 2 3 or 4

[tribal shadow]

Quick Question, I am trying to sell hadanite at HDMS-Hahn from my Greycat ROC, and it tells me transaction failed come back later
and I had the same issue yesterday
Anyone know a solution

[wide marsh]

I was able to sell at port olisar @tribal shadow

[tribal shadow]

okie I'll try

atm I cant even pull out the roc either

[winged hare]

100% noob here anyone got the time to show me the ropes on mining im hoverring above a moon atm but not sure what rocks to look for that i can mine

[ornate rock]

best to check in #looking-for-session or search for a guide on spectrum: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/playstarcitizen

wrong link, fixed. click on play, then "request a guide"

[ember star]

Now that I have a Connie, I want to do some drug smuggling. I know of the routes thanks to the trader tool, but is there anything I need to know about trading SLAM?

[sonic laurel]

15 minutes of spamming a terminal per SCU you want to sell

[whole onyx]

How long has the roc stayed stored in your ship when you log out? I was delighted to find my roc ready to go on login.

[sonic laurel]

permanently though you might spawn your ship to find your ROC inoperable. It's not perfect in recallign states. So be cautiosly optimistic

[devout badge]

I can't mine Shale depositfs with a Helix 1 head on the Prospector ?

I managed to mine a little 2000 mass but with 1cm green and the instability made me explode

But heavier resistant I couldnt mine

[daring raft]

The poor guy I was helping through chat to ROC mine.....I hit the dreaded 30k....I have to assume he did too

[safe kraken]

Wait until the next patch, ahahah.

Unless you just want to wait for a few days to sell your drugs.

[magic shard]

So I am about to try mining today and I have few questions:

1. freelancer can fit one or two ROCs in, right?
2. Can I spawn the ROC in ship when starting on a space port / station?
3. What would be a good location for ROC mining?
4. What is the easiest way to transfer the mined ore to the Freelancee? Do I have to drive in?

[safe kraken]

1. My MAX can, but I’m not sure about the normal Freelancer.
2. No.
3. Aberdeen is my favorite.
4. Just leave it on the ROC and fly to the little landing zones on the moon and sell the cargo there, directly from the ROC.

[ornate rock]

normal freelancer can fit a ROC, but there's no space to go around. so you either drive in in forwards and you have to open/close the back door with a keybind (it's not set by default), or you drive it in backwards and walk around the ship to get into the pilot seat.

[magic shard]

Ad 2. so how do I get the ROC in the ship when I start at a base / station?

It will be a 2 player operation, so we have the ability to have one player flight ship back to sell ores while the other one is mining.

[ornate rock]

also when mining on Aberdeen you need the heat resistant armor combo, Pembroke.

[magic shard]

Even inside the ROC?

[safe kraken]

You can’t do that. Spawn it at the landing zone on a planet.

[ornate rock]

ye, it's open

[safe kraken]

Yes.

[magic shard]

oh, that's kind of important thanks a lot!

[safe kraken]

Also, you can’t transport the cargo back in the ship. It stays in the ROC. You finish the run by taking the ROC back.

And then sell from the ROC.

I mean, you could transfer it into a suit...

But this is pointless.

If you have two people, it is better to have one guy fly or look around for good rocks.

While you mine.

[ornate rock]

https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/
the full suit consists of an undersuit and a helmet, comes with all armor pieces and a backpack.
Pembroke heat, Novikov cold.

you could unload the ROC and store the minerals in boxes inside the ship... but I'd not recommend that

once the ROC is full I'd go back and sell

[magic shard]

Alright.

[safe kraken]

Yeah...it’s just not useful really, hahah.

[magic shard]

That's a shame, I thought it would speed things up a little.

[ornate rock]

when the server 30k's you lose everything, rather be a bit less optimized and don't lose money

[magic shard]

I see, so I get more effective by losing less.

[ornate rock]

though 30k's have been somewhat rare lately, but I'd start of safe and then see how much you want to risk

[magic shard]

Though the idea was to to have one player mine while other flies back, so we would still only lose 1 haul...

Ok, once I get back with the ore I have to go to refinery and use a terminal there?

[ornate rock]

meeeeeeeeehhhh you could do that, but when you do that you will have a tendency to stay close to the outpost

and I don't recommend staying close to outpost

you might meet someone like me

[magic shard]

Griefers?

Yeah, I heard that 🙂

[ornate rock]

and you don't have to refine minerals, you can just sell them at the outposts

[magic shard]

But at a lower price?

[ornate rock]

I don't think there are price differences on minerals yet, they are all fixed price everywhere.

[safe kraken]

[ornate rock]

I might end up stealing that one :3

[safe kraken]

Hahahah

Go for it.

[strange burrow]

@devout badge Mining with the stock Prospector head is pretty much useless and frustrating.

Change the head for a lancet and you'll be able to mine almost any rocks except some of the largest.

If it's a rental, you need to go to your hangar to change the head as it will not let you do it in-game. Be careful to remove it before the rental finishes or you'll lose it. (Not really relevant since it cost only 11k and you'll make like 250k-500k with a day of rental)

[devout badge]

@strange burrow I have buy the Hélix with 3000 power... I tought it was the best head ?

[pallid temple]

Not anymore

[strange burrow]

Yeah it was nerfed by 80%

Lancet is -75% instability and resistance +increased optimum window.

Perfect for Quantium too

[devout badge]

So i just spend 50k in a shitty laser head ? 😩

i'll go buy the Lancet 1 in PO then. Thanks buyz, I'll try it today 🙂

Power Transfer of Lancet 1 is only 1400. Is it really enough to mine alone ?

[strange burrow]

Plenty, do mind that the resistance is cut by 75% so it requires less power to mine rocks.

The green bar will also charge a bit slower but it is easier to stay in it, so it's a good tradeoff

[devout badge]

Ok, i've take it. Do you recommand any consommable with this head @strange burrow ?
I confess that in the few mining session I've made, I've never used any consommable

[strange burrow]

Consumables are more of a nice to have with this head, but go with Optimum, Stampede and Lifeline.

First one will help with more unstable rocks by doubling the optimum window and increasing power slightly.

Second one will boost the charge rate when you want to fill the green bar asap(be careful it also boosts the red one if you overcharge)

lifeline is almost useless but if you get lag and overcharge a rock by accident you can pop it to protect yourself from the explosion

[devout badge]

all right perfect

thanks a lot mate

[strange burrow]

Not a problem

[still valley]

Guys. With refining in prospector, if you only need to refine one thing as the rest are ore, what happens to the items you don't refine?
Do they get discarded, and if so, is it best to sell the ore before refining the raw materials?

[crimson mantle]

Everything not selected is lost forever.
You cannot sell part of your load "raw": it's also all or nothing.

[still valley]

Ah I see. Thank you.

[crimson mantle]

Think of it as a big bag of mixed rocks: you either sell the whole thing, or you refine the whole thing :/

[silk delta]

Should I not land a Prospector near a rock I'm trying to fracture? I just blew up my ship after properly fracturing a rock in the green zone

[steady geode]

Hey fellas, I have a newly christened Cat and 950k, what are the best cargo runs right now?

Gallog says Laranite between ariel and PO, that still up to date? been a while since i used it

[crimson mantle]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Caterpillar%2522,%2522investment%2522:950000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:15000,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%255D%257D

But trade is a bit broken right now. Still, useful as a future reference

[steady geode]

Broken?

Thanks for the link tho 🙏🏼

[strange burrow]

@silk delta ideally it is better to stay airborne while mining on the surface (except in high wind).

It gives you the ability to back out when you break a rock. They are glitch and can break dangerously even in the green zone.

[silk delta]

Couple other questions. Does mining laser power increase the closer you get to the rock? Does instability decrease if you are landed on the ground?

[crimson mantle]

The inventories do not seem to refresh as fast as intended, leaving most shops with no/very low supply.

[steady geode]

Ah

Seems like a returning issue from like 3.8/3.9 times

[strange burrow]

I highly recommend mining in the Aaron Belt, way safer and easier

@silk delta The heads have an optimal power range. Most are between 30m-40m. Closer and you won't see a difference but has you are further away it will decrease the power

It is useful when you need some extra control on your power output

Instability is only controlled by the types of rock/minerals and the buff your head adds. I. E: The Lancet mining head removes 75% instability.

[silk delta]

I haven't tried the Belt yet, but can I do it with the Prospector or do I need something larger?

[strange burrow]

Prospector is fine

My preferred way into the Belt is this:

-Use CRU L1 as your Base/Refinery.
-QT to Crusader
-QT toward ARC L3
-Stop at 15mil from ARC L3 (It should put you directly in the densest part of the Belt)
-To validate you should be at roughly 4mil from CRU L1.

This leaves you plenty of time to go back with Quantinium without risking an explosion.

[sonic laurel]

It's great seeing people working hard to make sure they are nowhere near pirates or marauders

trading off time per load for safety

[strange burrow]

Pickup only Quantinium, Bexalite, Taranite, Laranite, Agricium and Hephastanite. Those are the valuable ones.

It really doesn't add that much time to go there imo. I make about 500k per hour there. Better than I did mining on moons and a bit closer than doing the route between Hurston and ArcCorp

[sonic laurel]

in a prospector?

[strange burrow]

In an Argo Mole. With my rental Prospector I made between 100k to 350k per hour.

Always depending on luck tho

[sonic laurel]

are you solo or with a group making that?

[strange burrow]

I've spent 45 minutes finding a single rock or I can find 3 QT rocks at 30%+

Solo, sometimes with one of my friend

The amount doesn't vary much with or without my friend but it does help with QT when there is more than one rocks.

[proud hearth]

I've been trying out the prospector on free-fly, it's quite nice! Feels like the cargo hold fills up really quickly though

is there a way to selectively harvest so I can leave out crappy ore I don't want?

[crimson mantle]

No, you have to be very careful when choosing which rocks to vacuum up 🙂

[proud hearth]

alright, noted, seems like that would be something miners would have access to in the world of star citizen

or at least, a way to jettison ores you don't want (like volatile ones about to explode)

[crimson mantle]

Well, you already have magical scanners that can analyse the composition of boulders 😄

[ornate rock]

the idea is that you pick and choose valuable rocks to scoop up

[proud hearth]

I don't know if that's magic, we can already kind of survey rocks IRL can't we?

[marsh osprey]

is roc mining bugged atm

do people roc mine at all in this patch?

[proud hearth]

I haven't tried it, but it seems like quite an effort given you need a ship to transport and the roc as well

[ornate rock]

IRL we also can't just pick the ore out of shitty chunks, we still need to process a lot of inert material

and SC doesn't try to be realistic anyway, they aim for authenticity

[proud hearth]

... 😕

authenticity meaning...?

[ornate rock]

things are consistent within the world and are believable, but don't try to follow any realism standards

[proud hearth]

right, basically the game world establishes it's own rules and limits and abides them, I get that

[ornate rock]

and fun always beats realism basically

[proud hearth]

right... I'm just saying it would be "fun" and still flavorful (within the bounds of expectation of the game world) to have mining ships be able to filter out the inert materials from valuable ore.

maybe not in the harvest beam, but at least once it's on the ship

[sonic laurel]

the biggest magic in all of star citizen is their magical powerplants, thrusters, and artifical gravity. If those were real life would turn upside down in a day.

[ornate rock]

picking up just the right ores is what makes a good miner. if you could just remove all the garbage from your harvest, there'd be one factor less

an experienced miner knows which rocks are valuable enough to pick up and which to leave behind

[proud hearth]

plus, having a way to ditch unwanted ore gives the player more meaningful choices in the sub-game of mining. You can mine low % rocks in areas that may be safer but it takes more time to get to the good stuff you really want, or pursue higher yielding rocks at the risk of piracy or environmental hazards

[ornate rock]

that's how skill is represented in the game, if you could just chugg the garbage out afterwards it would be much easier and much more boring

[proud hearth]

it would be easier but much less profitable I think, you're still spending the time to harvest junk rocks, just filtering afterwards

[ornate rock]

it'd really just cater to people who are too lazy to learn the mechanics

[proud hearth]

I think there's already skill checks in being able to even operate a mining ship, finding suitable rocks, cracking them without failing that mini-game, and then returning the ore safely

[lofty crest]

it would reduce the choice, if a rock has 1.5% Quantum in you would still mine it cus you could then flush the ore you didnt want

[proud hearth]

that is a choice you're making, to spend more time of a 1.5% rock or keep searching for a higher yielding rock

in other words, if I just take any rock that appears, it might take me 5 hours to fill my hold with quant, but I was able to do so eventually

or, if I'm a skilled miner, I find the high yield rocks and get it done faster

that's more player choice

[ornate rock]

yes, or you just return to the refinery in between and dump the inert over there

which is the usual place where inert stuff gets separated from valuable minerals

ores in rocks aren't coherent blobs of material, it's better to think about ore as a fine dust, intermixed with worthless (inert) dust.

all caked into a big rock

and only a refinery can do the job of splitting the good dust from the bad dust

[proud hearth]

we also have examples of people sorting the good dust from the bad dust manually... panning for gold. You don't just keep it all and sort it out later, you filter it as soon as possible so you're not wasting time transporting crap

we can debate flavor reasons indefinitely. All I'm getting at is that one of the current gameplay mechanics of mining is that you have to scan and ping and find the best rocks to harvest to make the trip worthwhile, I get that. What I'm proposing is that there should be some merit to miners sifting through bad rocks for good ore, even if that's more of a timesink.

[sonic laurel]

this calculus changes when existence occasionally resets and anything not locked down to sell vanishes

[ornate rock]

gold is a very special case though and even there most gold is still washed out with cyanide or other chemicals

[proud hearth]

plenty of ores besides gold can already be filtered from "bad dust" on site, like iron

[ornate rock]

have you ever seen hematite? you can't get the iron out of those things without serious processing

very rarely in river beds you have near pure iron oxide layers, but that's... rare

[proud hearth]

right, I'm not saying you filter down to pure ore on-site, that would trivialize the need for refineries

[ornate rock]

but ye, we wont get inert dumping. people have proposed it several times over the years and every time the answer was "nope, don't pick up trash"

though afaik the original concept for the prospector had a separator

[pallid temple]

Yeah the Prospector had the functionality for jettisoning ores you don't want in the concept

The hatch is still there on the back as well

[ornate rock]

does jettisoning have an animation right now?

[pallid temple]

Yes

But you can still only jettison volatile cargo

[ornate rock]

I've tried to see it, but never managed to switch cam fast enough

[pallid temple]

Yeah before it didn't have any animation to it

[proud hearth]

Question - with the free fly prospector, I know you can't normally change the loadout on them, but I've heard it's possible with some fiddling (maybe a bug/exploit?). Is it worth try to kit it out or will the stock loadout make decent money?

[sonic laurel]

You can change modules on free fly ships to my knowledge

[strange burrow]

Just go to the Hangar and you'll be able to change loadout on locked ships

[proud hearth]

hmm, going through loadout manager in mobiglass seems to keep them locked, is there another way to change modules?

[silk delta]

@strange burrow, I couldn't find the Aaron Belt between CRU L1 and ARC L3. Stopped at exactly 15M +/- 50k, no luck. Didn't quite line up with the rocks on the map (but then again, what does?). I'm gonna try the Hurston-ArcCorp route

[strange burrow]

The rocks on the Map aren't placed correctly

You need to go from Crusader to ARC L3

I don't K ow the exact distance from CRU-L1 but you need to make roughly 4mil toward ARC-l3 from there

If you can't find it what I do is that I'll stop at 16mil and then do small 500k jumps until I'm good and note the distances

[silk delta]

I've gotten messed up pretty badly a number of times now where the mining bar on the right freezes up for a few seconds then jumps up unexpectedly, often times into the red-zone. Not sure if that is a problem with my computer, my connection, or a server thing

Definitely not instability, these are big jumps after periods of the bar doing absolutely nothing

[strange burrow]

It's the server lag. Happens all the time. You'll get used to it after a while and notice the anomaly asap and react by cutting your power or backing up

That's one of the reason to keep Lifeline as a consumables.

[proud hearth]

Lancet or Helix for a newbie with a prospector? 🤔

[pallid temple]

lancet

[proud hearth]

is it strong enough to crack rocks on it's own? The description reads like it's more intended for support on a mole 🤔

[pallid temple]

Not if you read the stats

[proud hearth]

I see the resistance modifier, which seems really nice

[strange burrow]

If you mine asteroids, the Lancet should break stuff easily up to 5200-5400 in size.

With rocks, it varies but if I recall it's 5k and under for most.

[fickle zephyr]

you just need to figure out that aaron halo is between where it looks like it is with full zoom out on the map and crusaders orbit

then its easy AF to find from anywhere to anywhere

[ember star]

@crimson mantle can you add a filter for legal and illegal items?

[crimson mantle]

It's on the list 😄
https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/issues/22
The problem is that the definition of what's illegal changes by jurisdiction, but I'll get to it!

In the meantime, almost everything in "Vice" is illegal, you can filter it out like so: https://i.imgur.com/jAm9Vql.png

[north oyster]

I wonder about the direction of Trade and Cargo with the refinery/TDD bug (not sure if it has been fixed yet) and the C2 coming online in 3.13. We can't run a CAT as it is now. I'm hopeful, most certainly. I don't want to think the investment in the C2 jpeg would go to waste.

[crimson mantle]

They just did a whole rebalance of the economy (Recipe TDD on the roadmap). We can only hope they'll make it work as intended!

[elder trail]

in all fairness, not much will work as intended until all the pieces of the engine are in place

[north oyster]

I'm little nervous about my jpeg not being useful when it comes to being flight ready

I know many before me have experienced that already

Reclaimer

Starfarer

I'm creating a ton of refinery jobs to fill a CAT to stress the TDD terminal for sales. Hope to try that this weekend to see how it goes.

[storm dove]

alrighty then... and good evening all.... noobish question... i already got confirmation that when my refined stuff is complete, i need to store them in my ship that has enough cargo... for some reason it shows me just this free fly C.O Mustang, not free fly Freelancer....

any idea what's going on?

[still valley]

Is *anyone *selling refined ore right now? I need to know if it's not fucked. .___.

[storm dove]

i woudl but can't pick it up because only option for storage ship seems to be C.O Mustang (free fly) that doesn't have enough space... and can't choose anything else, for example Freelancer...

[daring raft]

ROC mining in a cutty red.....y or n?

[lofty crest]

n

[kind patio]

If I have both ore and unrefined materials on my prospector, do I need to sell the ore right away before refining the rest?

[north oyster]

Masa, Can you scroll through the ships on the drop down list? You should see all ships, regardless of cargo capacity (I'm pretty sure)

If you did the free fly you should also have the RSI Aurora, can you see that in the list?

[storm dove]

Yeah, I finally managed to find Freelancer from list, for some reason didn't find it first, not sure if my scroll was not working or what.

[north oyster]

That window is maybe the smallest scroll window ever. Glad you got it

[wet shadow]

@daring raft I do it all the time

[hexed breach]

you can just not recommanded either roc goes crazy if not parked well or you will glitch thru ship

[daring raft]

does the ROC flop around? Heres my scenario.....I picked up an MSR and have been using Cutty Black but wanted to run the MSR most of the time but like the idea of the red so was going to swap black for red for some variation. I just wanted to know how viable redRoc is

[hexed breach]

yes

[daring raft]

So plausible just with some heavy caveats.....like might bounce and explode

[hexed breach]

if you have enough room like cutty black and such you are fine

[wet shadow]

The roc will flop no matter whatsoever

The red works great for me

You just have to make sure it’s center and always remember to put the arm down before you unload lol

[hexed breach]

now if you do insist on using cutty red extending arm of roc lets you leverage your way out of ship if not straight sometimes

[wet shadow]

And you have to park it in face first can’t back it in

[daring raft]

cool.....im sure I will use the MSR more but I think the red is cool so I am going that route

[wet shadow]

So when you go to get out and the door opens is when crap can go crazy there is a learning curve lol

Msr burns way to much file

[hexed breach]

in the red you use pilot controls for doors

[wet shadow]

⛽️

[daring raft]

I tried the Nomad and learned what crazy is

I just roll the throttle back on the MSR and it help greatly with fuel consumption

[north oyster]

The MAX works great for the ROC, I keep a cutty and a Valkyrie as backup ships also

[covert beacon]

Anyone else is finding unscannable minable asteroids?

[north oyster]

that's common

it varies by server

[covert beacon]

Its a bug?

[north oyster]

sometimes the more scannables in one area, the more likely they won't load

happens on surface but not near the rate as in asteroids

one time the first 10 asteroids I came up on were duds, then it finally started pinging correctly

[covert beacon]

Can we have more than 3 work orders in one refinery?

[crimson mantle]

You can have as many as you want! 🙂

[covert beacon]

Nice

Is it planned that you can collect smaller quantities of the refined ore? So you can transport it with smaller ships?

[hoary monolith]

With the FtF Prospector, is it worth trying to mine Quantainium ? I'm not sure if the default mining laser/QD will work fast enough.

[manic whale]

Caterpillar vs. Mole??

[crimson mantle]

Quantainium is by far the most difficult thing to mine (https://sc-trade.tools/ores/MISC Prospector or Argo Mole). The default may be able to do it, but not in an enjoyable manner.

[crimson mantle]

Two questions:

• Do you have friends that want to fly with you? (The MOLE alone is sub-par)
• Do you like to mine?
  N.B.: Trading is a bit broken atm.

[hoary monolith]

That was my suspicion. I enjoy hand mining, and I rented a ROC and did a few hour in it. I don't have friends that play consistently to group up with.

I've got about 50k aUAC and a Cutlass black

[manic whale]

no and no 😄

[crimson mantle]

Seems like no to the MOLE then... 😄

[hoary monolith]

I"m hoping having the prospector until the 25th will allow me to earn enough to buy a ROC, then use that to work up to my own prospector

[crimson mantle]

You could try your hand at bounties to get some more capital. Otherwise, your options are https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Cutlass%2520Black%2522,%2522investment%2522:50000,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:50,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%255D%257D
N.B.: Trading is a bit broken right now

[hoary monolith]

I've heard that the low level bounties are easy and profitable, but I'm more interested in mining (and eventually exploration and salvage). Hauling cargo seems too risky with server issues to be worth it.

"killing people is, like, my least favorite thing to do" - Carl

🙂

[crimson mantle]

You can always hop on to https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/guide and find yourself an expert!

There are also good guides in the pinned messages.

[covert beacon]

Where do you sell refined ore in loreville?

[hoary monolith]

I might try some of the short routes and limit myself to 25k aUAC to ensure I don't lose my shirt to a bug. I've been looking at your trade tools, but didn't realize how specific it could be.

thanks a lot

[crimson mantle]

Lorville > Central Business District
https://preview.redd.it/0nwd07c1r4421.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f125ef3220c0a1bf46dfaaa1be3d1c6401e0ff14

[covert beacon]

Nice ty

[crimson mantle]

*with the caveat that inventories are kind of bugged right now
Still some routes of the lower value stuff still work passably well.

[manic whale]

I´m just on top of my ships pyramid. From my perspective, those 890J, Carrack, Reclaimer, Hammerhead are team ships, whole squad should have an interest in using them = purchase them together as well. ..not interested in 600i, dont like Starfarer in its current form and thats it. Under those are Constellations, Retaliator, Vanguard, which I have, Valkyrie is for a squad again, not interested in small fighters for now. So theres a Mole, Prospector (aka why just dont take a Mole with +SCU), Cater.

[ornate rock]

weren't gate 1-3 and 4-6 rings?

[hoary monolith]

any commodity you'd recommend? Right now I'm looking at Diamond - picking up from several HDMS areas and selling at Reclamation & Disposal Orinth

I'm not going to try running illegal cargo, so I filtered out the "vice" category - that might be enough to make it "low value"

[covert beacon]

Can i collect different work orders to the same ship? Does it work?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[covert beacon]

Is it possible to split a collect between small ships?

[pallid temple]

No

[covert beacon]

I think i will cry if i have a 30k

[hexed breach]

been there lost whole load earlier today about 240k auec 🙂

[fickle zephyr]

[hexed breach]

[wet shadow]

QUESTION!!!!!!! drug runners!!!!! i have had a few ppl tell me they fixed widow? is this true? can you buy and sell a lot at a time now?

[hexed breach]

I think that is still not the case saw leadnap gaming do a video recently about it only small amounts can be sold at once

[wet shadow]

you got that video you can message me:)

[hexed breach]

https://youtu.be/EzYmH_jA0a4

[wet shadow]

your a pimp

[north oyster]

that's the exploit, what's crashing trade and game. makes for fun times

[fickle zephyr]

refinery bug

[north oyster]

real simple to do

[strange burrow]

Yeah, can't mine and refine properly because of people exploiting

[fickle zephyr]

the exploit is pointless too because you cant sell anything

what does it help to have a trillion worth of cargo when the shops will not buy more than like 50k worth

[strange burrow]

Lol yeah but with QT you make between 500k-2mil per trade each 10-15 mon

[fickle zephyr]

quantum travel?

[strange burrow]

Quantinium

[fickle zephyr]

only at area18

dangerous to take a cat there

[strange burrow]

Dangerous everywhere

The hangars love to chew big ships

[fickle zephyr]

if you have a problem with parking you can just park on top/in front of a hangar you are not assigned to

poof parking violation

instant ship store and character teleport

[proven moss]

will pay someone 1 mill to transport me from arcorp to microtech then to lorville then back to arcorp. a round trip

[eternal loom]

@proven moss can do!

[main saddle]

funny how those 30k's come just as you load your roc back onto your ship and take off

[slow mountain]

i think we was in the same server lol @main saddle

[main saddle]

yeah, i recognize your name lol

i just KNEW it would happen

i was tryna beeline to the outpost

[slow mountain]

i called it fr though

[fallow glacier]

Trying not to do anything till free fly ends
30k's will probably go down after that

[main saddle]

Meh, I was pretty much wanting to do something other than bounties. Was trying my new Connie with the ROC. It would have been nice to actually make it back somewhere to sell the Hadanite, but I ended up going out to the belt in my Prospector (27 minute claim time on the Connie) and got a decent load of Laranite and Borase being processed.

callin' it a night

[reef narwhal]

its not even really an exploit at this stage...even from normal game play you can stumble upon this bug and go ham. Needs to be patched out asap!

[fallow glacier]

I've seen people literally giving out millions of credits with this " exploit "

I mean feature

[strange burrow]

Well not so normal gameplay since they did the first try at patching it.

I'm not gonna say any steps so people don't try to do it and f the system more but the fact that you need duplicates and most do it with a Caterpillar seems pretty intentional.

Since there isn't any good gameplay loop where a borrowed ship can act like a rented one, there's really no point in having two imo.

[fickle zephyr]

there is trade routes and technices that benefits from more than 1 cat with solo play (one way trading, backpace the other way)

and you can hire pilots

[smoky flax]

Guys I attempted trading for the first time last night but everywhere I went seemed to only have Waste and/or Scrap for sale. Am I missing something?

[wind summit]

its all being wiped out because the system is too small the support the population.

and the economy isn't really simulated yet.

the risk of trade just isn't worth it atm. you can make much jmore doing group bounties getting 40-70k every 10-15 mins.

[lofty crest]

where were you going?

but rn do bounties or mining

[fickle zephyr]

https://sc-trade.tools

if you insist

scrap isnt too bad though unless it have changed in 3.12

scrap is/was an awesome comodity for 1 way trading with several cats

5 minutes 28k profit

maybe more like 10 minutes in reality

[north oyster]

last night was a 30k crap storm and the game finally crashed to desktop. Called it a week after that

[fickle zephyr]

freefly 🍻

[north oyster]

yea, I might just wait until that is over

[smoky flax]

Yeah I usually do bounties/ monitors. Just having a look about to see the other aspects of the game and thought I was doing something wrong lol.
I can’t remember everywhere I tried but New Babbage and Port Ollisar we’re in there. A bunch of stations

[north oyster]

I tried to do a mining run 4 times and crashed each time

[fickle zephyr]

i dont understand why its that way though since its the same server cap

[north oyster]

they increased server cap yesterday to 50

might have been better to leave it at 40

Also, I would be in the middle of mining and get a pop up saying I'm 23rd in line and dump me back to the game menu. Salty

[fickle zephyr]

[hoary monolith]

@crimson mantle Last night I tried selling diamond at Reclamation & Disposal Orinth and only had a profit of around 2k instead of the 6k listed in your wonderful tool. How frequently are price updates needed?

[crimson mantle]

Please refer to https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq 🙂

I'm working on something to alleviate the issue, but for now I can only use the data in the game's files.

In short: the website shows the best case scenario.

[hoary monolith]

ahh. Maybe add a note to that effect on the trade search results page? Or if I missed seeing one, make it more noticeable?

Thanks for making the site - it greatly simplifies trying to mine or haul cargo

and if you need help, let me know - I've dabbled a bit in web dev

[crimson mantle]

It's in the tips and the F.A.Q., but I could try to make it more visible.
Later on there will be an option to check the prices depending on player activity, but it needs some work first 😉

[north oyster]

With the rash of 30k's the past couple of days, might want to proceed with caution

[hoary monolith]

With the free fly event that's to be expected. I'm only looking at short runs, point to point, on Hurston. I'm trying out all the non combat game loops to see what I like, so not investing too much into cargo, maybe 25k aUEC for a few loads.

[crimson mantle]

You can always hover over the buy price to see how different it is from the actual price you get in-game. 🙂

Same from the sell price and total displayed profit. This way you can manage your profit expectations.

[north oyster]

I think that will work perfectly. I was toying with doing a few runs in a CAT with iodine, diamonds or even scrape where my frontend risk is low.

Running asertine from Wela to A18 is a good run