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[marsh harbor]

Has anyone found any Aphorite in a ROC? 🤔

[fair fog]

@marsh harbor yes, it spawns as handminable 0.11 stone. Requires 100% scanner charge to find

@marsh harbor Note: I use Constellation Aquila with ROC and it has rather neat sensors suites for finding stuff.

[marsh harbor]

I meant the larger stones you can't hand mine, I believe there's a bug in the game files that stops it from spawning so want to check if anyone has seen any.

[chrome cloak]

Still having 30Ks on 3.12 PTU?

[runic scarab]

Is there really nowhere to sell slam these days?

[crimson mantle]

Correct! In 3.11 SLAM is impossible to sell. I'll update https://sc-trade.tools/commodities once 3.12 goes LIVE and we'll see then 🙂

[marsh harbor]

Nowhere to sell it on the PTU either

[tranquil elbow]

Does anyone know what happened to trading? I was doing a bunch of trading yesterday with my Andromeda, because I wanted something more fun than ROC mining. And then suddenly I could only buy for 140k instead of 248k. I thought I just had to wait for a server tick, and then I got a 30k while waiting. On the next server, the same thing happened. I could only buy for 140k instead of 248k. I just find this to be strange, because I bought for 248k 30 minutes before this happened.

I also checked https://fleetyards.net/trade-routes/?q[cargoShip]=constellation-andromeda, and there's now only 3 trade routes there. There used to be 10s of them, (Wala) Mining Area 45 > Area 18 included. Now the said trading route is not there anymore. I checked just after the Mining Area 45 stopped selling for as much as it usually does. And before that, it was normal.

Does anyone happen to know what the issue is? Did maybe the game just get patched while I was playing? If anyone has some information on why this problem occurred, I would appreciate it very much.

[marsh harbor]

Prices fluctuate based on how much stock is available in relation to the maximum stock capacity of the stations, you wont always be able to sell the same amounts or for the same prices

[fair fog]

@tranquil elbow maybe someone else was buying? What was error message? Full ship or limited stock?

[tranquil elbow]

"Max available stock"

[thorny copper]

I checked a few trading routes a moment ago and it was straight up empty everywhere

[tranquil elbow]

Yes. This is what I thought at first. But what I find really strange is how this happened to me on 2 servers. And just as it happened, https://fleetyards.net/trade-routes/?q[cargoShip]=constellation-andromeda changed to only 3 trade routes. I used to be able to make 50k per run. Now the best Fleetyards gives me is 3k per run.

Prices fluctuate on individual servers, right? Not on all of them at the same time.

[thorny copper]

heard somewhere trading prices are global for all servers, but haven't confirmed wether thats true myself

[marsh harbor]

I'd imagine it's global, since laranite stations are nearly always empty and I never see anyone coming or going

Or regional, at least

[atomic forum]

I have made test run with Laranite/Agricium prospector
On patch 3.11 a will be able to sell the same amount abou 60-70k

On 3.12 raw ore price was 20k and reprocessed was 25k

And it take abou 40 minutes to done that job, load that stuff to a ship and transport that to a ground city

And prices are the same like for trade commodities

Soo mining is not more profitable like CIG have claimed

[coarse cape]

What abt roc mining tho

[atomic forum]

And I doubt that mine gold and aluminium will make some profit at all

Or other low and materials

Laser on ROC is buged right now

[vocal chasm]

30k-40k an hour not counting the time to reprocess the ores?? That's insanely low lol

Is that the goal that they're going for with balancing?

[atomic forum]

Don't know but mining with a new HUD and nerf to Helix head is more difficult

They are forcing you to use consumables

And profit is 3x less then before

But according to patch notes it should be better then before

But I can run multiple refining jobs at one time

Dont kown how many

And they are persistent even if you crash of log out

No more selling raw ore on Port Olisar

And refineries are on L1 station

[marsh harbor]

Here's the current prices on the PTU, so as it stands the additional work and time of refining minerals gets you less profit, as it's not a 1:1 transfer and comes with an up front cost

[atomic forum]

Yah price are quit same but you will lose by the process some mass

So full prospector was like 15 SCU

[crimson mantle]

You can check https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq for a quick primer on trade

[green sundial]

my own gathering on the heads and consumables in 3.12

the Helix is no longer king

[crimson mantle]

Miners of Star Citizen, I need your help!
In the 3.12 PTU, Lagrange points asteroid fields have now been divided into 6 (possibly 7) categories, and the data files are not very clear on which is which.
I would like greatly appreciate any information on which asteroid types spawn in which cloud. This will speed up the update to https://sc-trade.tools. Thank you!

[lavish wharf]

The best planet to mine in a mol is wich one ?

[crimson mantle]

In 3.11, these planets/moons: https://bit.ly/3mcUXdx
Check the breakdown by deposits for details.

I'll update for 3.12 once it hits LIVE 🙂

[lavish wharf]

❤️

[sleek walrus]

anyone have any good trading routes for the MSR

[paper sluice]

anyomne around?

[crimson mantle]

I have a few suggestions ;)
https://bit.ly/3qPBNy2
Feel free to adjust the filters to your preferences.

[frosty copper]

Trying to sell roc cargo and everywhere says illegal cargo

What do I do

[crimson mantle]

Is it stolen?

In any case, Grim Hex will buy illegal goods. It's the only place.

[tardy flower]

@crimson mantle did you need info from price or other when 3.12 will be live?

[tardy flower]

GrimHex id the place !

[crimson mantle]

I have all the pricing info already! It'll be on the website when it hits LIVE 😄

[short glacier]

Hi to @everyone is someone here with a freelancer for mining
for more details DM

[main saddle]

so, wrt refining times: some are very long. Will the work orders last between server sessions or are they lost if you disconnect?

[royal kelp]

Does anyone have TrackIR or related software? I just got mine and I feel like im going to break my neck trying to adjust my in-ship screens while mining

Profiles would be GREATLY appreciated

[civic barn]

Any one wanna go group roc mining

[crimson mantle]

As far as we know, they are managed by a different service, not even the game servers. This means they persist through play-sessions, crashes, etc.

[lavish wharf]

Hello, wha'ts the best hadanite planete ?

[pallid temple]

Arial

[lavish wharf]

ty man

[sage bane]

guys, can you find 0.10 ores anywhere that's not caves?

[pallid temple]

@sage bane Its very rare to find handmineable rocks on the surface of moons

[sage bane]

ah thanks, I was wondering if there were any other places because

caves are quite bugged as it is

so you get stuck in rocks oftenly and have to force respawn

[hushed jay]

can the ROC earn more aUEC/hr than the prospector?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[hushed jay]

Damn

Seems off

[pallid temple]

Yes and no

[pliant matrix]

aberdeen is good for hadanite too

[green sundial]

you can also find hand mineables on asteroids

just saw one yesterday in PTU

[marsh harbor]

ROC is pretty much the best money maker in the game imho

[tough tusk]

wont be for long :D

refining a big cargo ships at around 32uec per unit is gonna yield big bank ...

some guys already getting that in ptu

of course thats if the 30k's lessen

[verbal cargo]

What are guys making bank on after refining? Does the selling price of refined goods depend on which refining process was selected?

[pallid temple]

Yes

And which refinery you went to

[crimson mantle]

The selling price doesn't change. What differs seems to be the amount you get out of the refinery. Some refineries will output more of some specific resources.

[verbal cargo]

Hmm last night I had the option to refine gold for 10k or 1k both yielding the same amount. Why the difference then

[marsh harbor]

Refining has a cost, wait time and mineral loss on yields with no price increase and increased travel time. I don't see it making anyone bank in the current state

[pallid temple]

Its better than losing 300k aUEC to a 30k

[marsh harbor]

There's also the additional time spent going and picking it up again afterwards

[flat timber]

I noticed some of those websites that do route and cargo calculations are totally off. Anyone use one that is regularly correct? The best one I found that seemed to be accurate the couple of times I used it last night is https://www.gallog.co/trading

I was using some other one for awhile and didn't realize until I actually checked the numbers that it was sometimes 0.40 off in pricing

[marsh harbor]

You wont lose 300k to a 30k if you're ROC mining and selling to a nearby outpost 😄

Commodity pricing is impossible to be accurate with, it fluctuates based on market activity @flat timber

[flat timber]

Oh I figured that stuff was scrapable

Thanks

[marsh harbor]

The price ranges are known, but afaik no one has any live game data

[crimson mantle]

I keep https://sc-trade.tools up-to-date with the prices found in the game's static files, but the dynamic economy make those vary. Commodities with higher refresh rates are less susceptible to the markets 🙂

[flat timber]

I'm not sure if I've used your site but I was under the assumption the economy could be tracked in real time. That makes a lot of sense now that I know it can't be.

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, they said that it's not on their list currently: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/50259/thread/external-third-party-access-is-it-possible/3420709
I'm doing my best in the meantime!

[flat timber]

Awesome tool you've got there!

[nimble anvil]

Is it worth getting the Greycat ROC?

[flat timber]

I would say yes, but I am saving to buy my first ROC. Spent my IRL$ on a Freelancer Max.

Because that will fit a ROC

[nimble anvil]

Alr

[flat timber]

Is there a way for two players to co-own a ship? So either one can retrieve it at a panel?

[nimble anvil]

If you are in a party, you can fly the person who is in the parties ship but you cant retrieve it at a panel

[flat timber]

I was afraid of that. Ok thanks.

[crimson mantle]

You can rent a ROC in-game in 3.12 for something like 5k/day

[nimble anvil]

I rather buy than rent

[crimson mantle]

172k at Lorville then 🙂

[paper sluice]

sup bois

[unique badge]

does anyone know if the ROC got the mining UI update?

[pallid temple]

It did

[unique badge]

it looks a lot harder to make out 😦

especially in bright conditions

[flat timber]

Ah that's super awesome I didn't know that!

[flat timber]

I think everything got a mining UI update

[fervent cloud]

is roc mining better than prospector mining?

[coarse cape]

Depends

You’re limited to really one ore that profitable, but you don’t have to be picky with what you’re picking up

And also you pick up inert materials while ROC mining

You dont*

[fervent cloud]

ah fair

[unique badge]

@fervent cloud I struggled to make money with a rented prospector, but with a ROC its much easier

its more reliable certainly

[marsh harbor]

In 3.11 ROC mining is the best way to make money imo, and also the cheapest to start with

[hard siren]

In 3.12 ptu how many refinery orders can you have?

[nimble anvil]

Whats best planet to mine on

[dusk swallow]

Can't find anything for ROC on Aberdeen.. What am I doing wrong? :x

[spark hound]

Anyone using the roc in Ptu? I can't control the arm, it was automatically bound to my mouse in Live, but doesn't work in Ptu.

[nimble anvil]

I need to use my ROC

[spark hound]

Can't find where you would bind it

[nimble anvil]

M?

[spark hound]

That brings it out but then I can't move it

[nimble anvil]

Try re spawning it

[spark hound]

K, I'll try that, it should still work in Ptu with the mouse?

Thank you

[spark hound]

Still nothing, it's messed up, will report

[bronze axle]

Are we allowed to see if anyone wants to buy merits for in game UEC in this chat or is that not allowed

[unique badge]

does laranite ever tick up?

[marsh harbor]

The items replenish a certain amount every minute, then it just depends when the server feels like refreshing the UI. The stores are shared over multiple servers, so other people are likely buying it in the interim

[visual karma]

hey guys whats the best trade run for a cat today? gallog and sc tools arent all that accurate according to my own record keeping and i wanted to see if anyone had any ideas for me?

[unique badge]

it feel like every 10 minutes but I have a low sample size

[bright gate]

I keep having to wait 10 to 20 minutes for trade terminals to work

[coarse cape]

go to arial

[coarse cape]

ive had the same problem it seems that arial is pretty good for roc mining in live servers

[atomic forum]

Nice one but iam unable to crack it with prospector on PTU 😦

[coarse cape]

wow

[atomic forum]

Meybe with mole and 4 ppl

[flat timber]

Can you FPS mine quantanium?

[pallid temple]

No

[marsh harbor]

Were you using the consumables?

[atomic lark]

39% quant, omg

[bright gate]

Been ROC mining pretty regularly. Although this weekend something odd happened. Got the ROC to 30% filled (mostly laranite) and it hadn't blown up for no reason, fallen through the landscape, or 30Ked. So, went back to an outpost and sold. First time I've been able to sell anything the ROC collected since 3.11 dropped.

Heck, I think this is the first time I've gotten it over 20% full.

[nimble anvil]

Can you scan with a Cutlass Black for ores?

@bright gate How do you find those ores

[bright gate]

any ship can scan for ores now.

(before 3.10 only mining ships could scan)

You go to scan mode (tab) then hold down left mouse to "charge" (a circle fills up, release to do a pulse scan. generally, it's best to let it fully charge).

If you are close enough (a few klicks) to a mineral deposit a glowing cube forms over it. Get closer and it resolves to either a boulder icon (for deposits that you mine with a ship) or a diamond icon (deposits you mine with a ROC).

Occasionally hand-minable deposits show up as a diamond, but those are usually in caves and ship scan's won't reach into a cave.

[nimble anvil]

Thanks

[bright gate]

(the little hand tool itself can do a short-range scan, use that in a cave).

If you get really close and left-click on the icon it will tell you what type of mineral/gem it is.

NOTE; The "pulse" of a scan is visible to anyone for quite some distance (at least 20 km, perhaps 30).

[nimble anvil]

Where do you recommend to mine?

Arial?

[bright gate]

There are griefers who like to look for those pulses and then go shoot up whomever is generating them. So, word of advice: don't pulse within 30 klicks of a mining outpost.

I like daymar but I hear arial is good.

[royal kelp]

What is more profitable, 2 ppl in prospectors mining together or 2 ppl in the mole mining together or 2 ROC mining

[coarse cape]

personally i think 2 roc mining

[royal kelp]

Looking for something with some data. I can't seem to find anything

[coarse cape]

Well one full roc of hadanite nets 220k

Unsure about ship mining depends rlly

[royal kelp]

How long does it take to fill a ROC

I've never used one so i wouldn't know

A full agricium run for 1 prospector nets around 76-80k. 30 min per run. 160k per hour. Adding in any quantainium and it drastically shoots up

[coarse cape]

Can take about an hour

Can be quicker tho if you're lucky

[royal kelp]

Not bad. So it's comparable

[coarse cape]

im abt to go mining so hopefully i get lucky lol

or not if my ship doesnt glitch

welp now i got to character reset

[royal kelp]

oof

[atomic forum]

I have to use that for stability but I couldn't get the energy to the rock while it is to big for prospector

[civic barn]

What's the best areas for prospector or mole.mining

[marsh harbor]

Whichever area lets you spawn a ROC and leave the prospector behind

[atomic lark]

Looks like rocks in 3.12 have changed alot, prospector mining should be alot better

[marsh harbor]

But they also halved the price of minerals and make you fly to one of the lagrange points to refine minerals, wait 8 hours then fly back to pick it up and transport it to one of the four main hubs to sell, for about the same price as you currently get at a refinery panel

You'll make less money for about three times the travel

[unique badge]

can I trade with a crime stat?

[pliant matrix]

you can but at grimhex only. other stations wont let you land

[unique badge]

even crime stat 1?

which I can't get rid of...

[pliant matrix]

never made so little crime that it only gave me 1CS so I can't tell but probably

[unique badge]

i got a trespassing crime doing a delivery mission 😛

[fair fog]

@marsh harbor the % of ores is really upped

[marsh harbor]

They also nerfed the Helix and made larger boulders much slower to break

[spark hound]

where do you sell refined ore at lorville in ptu, can't find terminal anywhere, ones in admin no good

[marsh harbor]

Check the Transfer room in CBD

[spark hound]

Found it, wow that's going to put a damper on my mining, at least refining,, 30% profit over raw for all that running around, don't think so

Thank you for the directions

[marble pollen]

once the ore is refined do you have to load it onto a cargo ship? or can you transfer it back to a mining ship?

[green sundial]

@bright gate you can see a pulse from 130km+ if the pulser is on the night side

[sage bane]

hi, any good guides on ROC that I can watch?

I fracture the stones but can't collect them, I assume I'm missing a part here

[bright gate]

Ow. Did not know they showed that far.

[green sundial]

yeah but its much harder to see more focuses pulses. the 1x are easy to see

[bright gate]

Refined ore is cargo, needs to be on a cargo grid.

[green sundial]

@sage bane you need to switch modes to Extraction Mode, should be right click

[sage bane]

yeah, the collection mode

collection force tabbed is filled up, but nothing happens and the graph is on 100 then just flatlines

[green sundial]

just keep it on the stones for a while. they'll eventually pull in

its server related

[sage bane]

this is basically what I'm referring to (flatline graph)

I've been keeping it for a while in this mode, nothing happens tho

[ashen oyster]

i find that last one always glitches under the node and i can almost never get it.

looks like you got all the rest of the gems that dropped

[sage bane]

got none of them actually

[ashen oyster]

actually... cargo 0% nevermind..

[cobalt shell]

Can an ROC fit in a Freelancer MAX?

[ashen oyster]

normally you will see like 30+ gems drop from a rock. not sure why you only see one.

did you over charge the rock alot?

[sage bane]

Could be that I fked up the mining part yeah

[ashen oyster]

ya if you over charge the rock too much i think it destroys all the gems

if you over charge it even just a little the gems go flying in all directions. if you dont over charge it at all, all the gems fall right at the ground in a nice pile

[spark hound]

@cobalt shell thats the ship I use, love it, wide cargo bay, makes driving in and out a breeze, one issue with max, no headlights...so can't see much at night

[cobalt shell]

Yeah I love the ship personally, that sounds good, I never really considered mining, but I might give it a go now that you've said that! Yeah I wish it had headlights too

[spark hound]

Just watch backing out, the ramp is short and steep so the roc can flip if you get carried away, hasn't happened to me but I read it can

[sage bane]

@ashen oyster yeah got it, thanks
btw do you maybe know the best mining locations?

[ashen oyster]

iv had good luck on arial and aberdeen

[cobalt shell]

Alrighty, thankyou!

[spark hound]

👍

[marsh harbor]

40 per ROC minable, 10 if it's hand minable

[marsh harbor]

Cutlass Black and Valkyrie are good carrier ships too. ROC mining is a fun activity, especially if you have someone who can pilot and scan for your next deposit while you're mining

[cobalt shell]

Yeah had a friend rent the Cutlass and it was pretty nice, might consider it but for now I will try the Max and thankyou for the tips

[spark hound]

I had Cutlass black, melted for Max, it fits in a few ships but sometimes would move around and everything went boom, even with everything turned off, same with 600i and a Connie Phoenix , only ship I've had no issues with is the Max

[cobalt shell]

That sounds promising for me I guess 🙂

[spark hound]

And a 30k...lovely...😫

[cobalt shell]

Damn 😦

[spark hound]

Ya, just got to the surface, start scanning...cya

[cobalt shell]

That is a big rip I hate 30k's specially since i do commodities too but I have been lucky enough not to be interrupted for a while whilst trading

[spark hound]

Last night I refined some stuff, so had roc still in max, then loaded the refined goods and they were stacked along the sides of the roc and I could still walk all around the cargo hold

[cobalt shell]

Damn that seems great, so much space 😮

[spark hound]

ya, she has a wide cargo hold, beam is 36m where the other Freelancers are 23.5m

[cobalt shell]

Damn I didnt realise the difference was that big, used to have a Base freelancer, but got given it for free, and it got taken at some point so I thought why not invest in a Max

[spark hound]

I certainly like it for moving the roc around, but the big hold for storage makes me nervous with how flakey things can get. I'd think twice about filling that hold with refined goods and going somewhere to sell it. I don't mind a bit of risk but that might be a bit much.

[cobalt shell]

Yeah quite true, I am just having a hard time doing cargo, never find stock these days. But then again I dont really explore too much to fill my ship

[spark hound]

I'm currently in the Ptu and like the new refinery stuff, did my first load, or I should say cashed my first load, first time didn't end well trying to land at Lorville...😩 anyways it wasn't a huge load but the raw would have sold for 9683, and after refining I got 13167, not bad.... not great

[mortal kettle]

i dont think there is a way to lock/ unlock the max also, and i think i read on issue council it is unlocked by default

so somone could steal your max and cargo lol

[cobalt shell]

Yeah there isn't a lock function anywhere in the cockpit, I have tried using a keybind for it but never tested if it works

[mortal kettle]

wish cig would fix it

you can easily fit 2 rocs

maybe 3/4 but one person would have to back in and stay in back to open / close ramp

[cobalt shell]

damn

[mortal kettle]

wish the open/ close door keybind worked for max also

[cobalt shell]

Same, its one thing that bugs me a lot

[mortal kettle]

max is buggy

[cobalt shell]

I always think oh maybe its a glitch with my game, but I didnt realise it happened for others til now

Very buggy

[mortal kettle]

im trying to decide between max and taurus... taurus not out, but get andromeda as loaner.

much better view from cockpit

[cobalt shell]

How much SCU will it have?

View from the cockpit of the Max is a bit obscure but I don't mind it

[mortal kettle]

taurus? probably more than andromeda. andromeda has 96

[spark hound]

i tried the Phoenix, roc flopped around like a fish out of water and things quite often blew up, even powered down

[mortal kettle]

yeah, ill try doing this https://youtu.be/3pWzo5Aw5Mo

park at angle with wheel against side of elevator, and leave powered on instead. also close doors

[spark hound]

Thanks, just watched, may have to try again...

[cinder chasm]

do Arccorp take medical supplies?

or is the server bugged?

[spark hound]

Don't know, sry

[crimson mantle]

It does take medical supplies: https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > ArcCorp > Area18 > Admin
When nothing shows up on sell nor buy, it's a server problem :/

[cinder chasm]

oh thx

did a server hop and sold the stuff

[south lantern]

and the mining laser i bought for 50k just disappeared

im never renting a damn prospector again

[marsh harbor]

Rent a ROC and a Cutlass Black, make more money, pay less

[south lantern]

already got the roc, kept falling through the planets when i tried to mine with it

[marsh harbor]

Never had that one, sounds fun 😄

[coarse cape]

You’re technically not supposed to put mining heads on rented mining ships

It’s the game doing it’s thing

[south lantern]

chris roberts has stolen my mining head

this is going to court

[coarse cape]

On a rented ship?

[south lantern]

Yes

[marsh harbor]

You illegally modified a rented ship, you'll get thrown out of court 😛

[coarse cape]

^

You’re not supposed to put them on lol

It’s like a glitch or something

That players do*

[lavish wharf]

SC trade tool isn't broken ? The site does not show route anymore :c

[marsh harbor]

What route are you looking for?

[lavish wharf]

Way for trading with my freelancer

[coarse cape]

Pretty sure it means there’s no good route for that

[marsh harbor]

Not all trade routes can be circles

[green sundial]

some are rectangles

[lavish wharf]

haha

[green sundial]

really though all trade routes are pyramids and we're not at the top

[coarse cape]

30ks are at the top tbh

[valid roost]

30k the ultimate pirate

[royal kelp]

I don't understand the point of consumables to assist in mining operations. How does me eating/drinking something assist my ship to mine an asteroid? Makes no sense, I feel like I'm missing something vital. Otherwise, it seems like this is something added to make another step in the process rather than benefit the overall feel of the game. If I grind for X ship, and grind for Y mining head , it should just work IMO. Aside from needing assistance from additional players for larger asteroids.

[pallid temple]

Its not that type of consumable @royal kelp

[marsh harbor]

It's consumed by your gun, like a battery

[pallid temple]

Its your own fault for not reading the information on the terminals

[royal kelp]

I'm learning so all information is appreciated

It's consumed by what exactly?

[green sundial]

the mining head

[marsh harbor]

Your mining laser

[royal kelp]

Oh ok, that makes more sense. I assumed that overclocking would help to some degree

[green sundial]

consumables have a number of charges(5 in 3.12) so you're not running through one by one by one every time you use it

overclocking will give you a bit more power output at the cost of increased heat generation

[royal kelp]

Gotcha. I usually turn off weapons and overclock my mining laser and ping

and put a focus on shields(forward) and thrusters

[green sundial]

be aware that overclocking your laser all the time can actually make it harder to stay in the green zone after the first fracture. less mass means less power needed afterall and on highly unstable rocks you need as much control as you can get

[royal kelp]

Good to know. Any and all information is highly appreciated. I really like the mining aspect of this game. Having tips/tricks to improve gameplay always helps

I'm awaiting a CM2 throttle to serve as my mining head power control, i figured it would be beneficial over mouse/keyboard

[valid roost]

https://imgur.com/lRd5VzG

Perfect timing

[whole wigeon]

would aurora cargo hauling work and be profitable in a way (1k or more per run?)

don't feel like spending all my irl money on a caterpillar lol

also, is there a station I can buy everything I need for hand mining

(or city)

[crisp prism]

Levski, Delamar is your place here.

[whole wigeon]

yes actually wanted to ask, I can't click on levski because of asteroids

[crisp prism]

Fly to Delamar, Levski is the only beacon on the surface anyway

[whole wigeon]

ah ok, thank you

so, can my aurora only hold X amount of ore

[crimson mantle]

There's some money to be made with an Aurora: https://bit.ly/2KxFuaP

Not sure how they all compare to the CL though, but it's ~3k per run

[hollow sedge]

what planet would be best for mining for new players

[crisp prism]

What ship/vehicle?

[crimson mantle]

You can get some info on mining here: https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/
Then explore locations here: https://sc-trade.tools/mining

[ashen oyster]

@south lantern next time your rented ship disappears and you have changed out parts on it DON'T claim it right away. go back to your hanger and remove all the parts you put on and then claim your ship. The only time i did lose my mining head was when i destroyed my ship. I went to the hanger before claiming it and the head was already gone. I have had 2 30k's and i was able to remove my mining head before claiming it and it was fine.

takes a bit more time to do it but you dont lose your equipment

[cobalt shell]

So I'm on SC Trade tools and looking at Cargo routes, should Cargo runs really take around 7-10 minutes like what is said on the website?

Or is that something else

[crimson mantle]

They are estimates taking into account Quantum travel speeds, distances and time-to-terminal (as provided by users https://forms.gle/MwpBhG8eK5oBKvnQ7)

Better engines and/or player skills plays a factor too, but they are realistic in my experience 🙂

[cobalt shell]

Does this take into account the time it takes to sell the cargo at the designated location or just how long it takes to land from the end of QT and load the cargo and start QT again?

[crimson mantle]

Well, the current bug where nothing shows up on the trade terminal for a significant amount of time is not taken into account. Hopefully it gets fixed soon 😄

The estimate is for:

• Walk from the console to ship
• Take off
• QT to destination
• Land
• Walk to sell terminal

[cobalt shell]

Haha yeah, that bug can get quite annoying, and thankyou very much for the reply, will help me out a lot as I'm starting to do cargo a little more. :)

[spark hound]

Roc arm is back to normal after this evenings patch, works fine with mouse again, yipee

[lavish wharf]

How difficult it is to load a rock on a Constellation 😮

[coarse cape]

uh

unsure but i think it isnt difficult

[lavish wharf]

Can I rent a caterpillar ?

[hollow sedge]

Anyone know if you can buy stuff at jump town in 3.11?

[coarse cape]

havent been there so unsure

[dawn ermine]

is there a good route around micro tech?

[ripe root]

which trading website do you guys recommend? sorry, if this has been asked million of times before.

[thorny copper]

scroll up a page or so and you'll find the link kek

[ripe root]

yeah, i saw that. i'll try it, thanks 🙂

[woeful moss]

@ripe root try the pinned messages

[minor dust]

const andro or freelancer max?

[vestal rose]

whereabouts can i sell my refined stuff?

[thorny copper]

freelancer max

connie still needs fixing

you did use the ping and not regular scan I'm guessing

yeah hold down rmb until circle is fully charged then release

[coarse cape]

sometimes going to 25% works for roc mining btw

[thorny copper]

also mousewheel can be used to vary the width of the pulse

it takes some getting used to the roc handling, but once you do its not too hard driving aboard a black

[coarse cape]

Well for starters I recommend going in backwards

and pushing the roc all the way to the back if you're using a cutty, and after that maybe tap w once or twice, then either turn engines off or power

[thorny copper]

the roc mining arm might cause it to glitch out a bit inside the black, toggling the arm back and forth with M usually solves it

[coarse cape]

yep

and that only happens when you get back into the seat tho

What ship are you using

[thorny copper]

mining is still kind of a pain imo, I try to avoid it if I can lol

but its profitable af

[coarse cape]

Ok

So make sure your ramp is touching the ground

If you're having frames problem change your graphic settings and when loading the roc in take it slow

[thorny copper]

gfx settings doesnt really matter much

set it to high/very high

from what I heard low even runs worse cause it dumps more effort on the cpu lol

how much ram are you running

[coarse cape]

Idk low kinda helps in cities for me

I just need to upgrade my ssd lmfao

[thorny copper]

oof

not sure either but a quick google search suggets its fixable via the software/bios

16 is kinda slim to begin with in this game

it might be

[undone socket]

has nomad been fixed to carry roc in 3.12 test?

[pliant matrix]

I doubt it. it's not nomad fault actually it's elevators system. There is the same issue with 300i series, connies and I think mustangs. All elevators are glitchy

[lofty crest]

theres meant to be a fix for the ROC/ in nomad

[vocal chasm]

@lavish wharf https://www.google.com/url?q=https://scfocus.org/ship-sale-rental-locations-history/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjC-6_xn9LtAhUh2uAKHWlvB4gQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1-q0UvHFAQAXzh8wgQ18yE

yw

This list gets updated regularly as far as I'm informed

[lavish wharf]

Thank you @vocal chasm

[spark hound]

What does TF20 mean on the Trading Console, its showing that instead of the amount I have on board

Hadanite

In ptu

[spark hound]

That was at a space station, once I went to a moon side base it showed the correct amount and I was able to sell, 130,900 not bad for 1/2 hr in the Roc

Plus 15,600 of Dolovine

The Dolovine sold at the space station fine, just not the Hadanite, I had to sell it at a moon base

[green sundial]

thats probably a bug

[spark hound]

Most likely, didn't think I'd last all that running around, kept waiting for the 30k, seems everytime I have a nice load the server craps....

[flat timber]

I was mining last night, had a rucksack and leg armor filled 100% with hadanite, and the server 30K'd. Did I lose all that hadanite? It was too late to log in to check and the suspense is killing me.

Just prior to the 30K the game wouldn't let me stow my multitool so I figure that's gone

[spark hound]

Don't know for sure but should be I'd think, I had 3 30k's yesterday and food stuff was still there if that means anything

[flat timber]

Well I guess that's reason for optimism

I don't really get mad at the bugs, but the 30K out of nowhere is what is super frustrating

I stopped trading after I lost 100k when it 30K'd halfway through my quantum jump

[spark hound]

Oh ya, I lost 2 good loads yesterday, but that was all in Ptu so whatever

[bright star]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/alpha-3-12-patch-watch-balance-pass-mineables/3686033

Major changes for mining (ship).

[flat timber]

Beyond UI?

Ah numbers adjustment for ship lasers and consumables.

[crimson mantle]

Yes it's quite interesting. I'll publish the whole changes for the different deposits on Reddit once the patch goes LIVE 🙂

[flat timber]

I'm assuming ROC and FPS mining is pretty much the same since it's such small time

[pallid temple]

I'm gonna say this right now, there are some rocks you can't crack on your own

In 3.12

[livid basalt]

Looking for 5 PTU pilots to fill a Caterpillar with refined goods, and collect a larger data set on the new mining/refining.

Starting in roughly 30 minutes if at all possible.

[wind summit]

is there anywhere to look on the refining rates/pay off when refining raw materials?

like how much more am I goign to make spending the time to take them to the refinery vs just selling them outright.

[pallid temple]

@wind summit The way it works now, the refined ore prices are the prices that we had for raw ore selling prior to 3.12, with the raw ore prices being cut in half for 3.12

[wind summit]

oic. thanks!

so mining is only have as good now it seems.

err half

[pallid temple]

Mining is still profitable, there's just an extra step

[wind summit]

and the time involved in waiting on refining.

[atomic forum]

And then transport

[spark hound]

I refined a small mixed load the other day, raw price would have been 9863, I refined it using the first choice, I forgot to write down the cost of refining but I think it was around 1000, and was 40 mins if I remember correct, it was late and I went to bed, anyways next day I took it to Lorville and got 13167 for the refined load

[wind summit]

I guess it will get better once it actually has a use to keep places supplied with goods.

[spark hound]

Good money could be made if you had a group, some mining, some shipping, some for protection, one person can do it all but to me it would be more fun as a group?

[lilac hedge]

You have mining rigs, Rocs and MOLEs on the surface mining and dumping their hauls into cargo containers, you have transports picking up the cargo and running it to the nearest refinery, you have a cutlass red or apollo for first aid and you have a gunship or squadron for defense.

[spark hound]

I like it

[wind summit]

sounds great in theory, but 1 single 30k would completely stop the operation.

[lilac hedge]

Yeah but that's just alpha tings, eventually that goes away.

i'm talking long-term post launch stuff

[wind summit]

of course.

[spark hound]

Starting to sound like another job, Where's the vacation / resort places to go spend those hard earned credits....

Needs to be more incentive than just buying a Pisces C8X

[wind summit]

I mean unless you're doing the Luxury Yacht loop to make money I'm not sure you will ever have time to just sit back and relax and enjoy much. with how little of credits you make and how much you can lose from one lost shipment there isn't much of a buffer to offset losses. If you add 10-20 people into the operation and split it 20 ways, that's even less.

[spark hound]

Ya, there definitely needs to be a lot more stability before this type of gameplay becomes reality, one can only guess when that will be

[crisp prism]

Now that refineries are in place, what's stopping CIG from completing the Orion?

[pallid temple]

A lot of other things

[green sundial]

the Orion is too big for the game in its current state. it needs meshing, space station docking, and cargo transfer

and probably a dozen other things like crew management

[hollow sedge]

How do mines/caves entrances look like

[marsh harbor]

Big holes in the ground

[lavish wharf]

Is it better to mine in prospector or in a roc ?

[coarse cape]

Imo roc mining because you only need one type of ore and you don’t need to worry about inert material

@lavish wharf ^

[lavish wharf]

ty

[valid roost]

Depending on how refining pans out in the future prospector/mole mining may get better

[vocal chasm]

Is there anything that a Freelancer MAX could do significantly better than a Mercury Star Runner?

[pallid temple]

I mean you get 6more SCU in the Freelancer

But that's about it

[thorny copper]

better pilot armament too

also it costs a lot less

$110 less in fact, and in current meta where both ships are forced into largely the same usage the MAX is about as bargain as it gets

[last frigate]

Max is thicccc ease into take offs or you are going to drag that ship's keister across the landing pad

If I were looking in that price point. Grab a Taurus, it's likely going to climb in price later on, and it will have more scu's than the max. The Andromeda loaner is v nice too

[lavish wharf]

What's the cargo capacity of the constellation taurus ?

[last frigate]

They haven't nailed down a number but I have seen anywhere from 128-200 scu thrown around

[lavish wharf]

oh okay, thanks

[last frigate]

👍

[thorny copper]

I would wait and see how the buffs work out

constellation is in a very bad place currently

[last frigate]

They fixed the glaring problems in 3.12

Better maneuverability. And the shield tech will improve all ships when it makes it in

[thorny copper]

yeah heard it got handling tweaks, but shields look like it could take a while longer

if it werent for that I'd might own one too, but as it is you're damn near flying unshielded lul

[last frigate]

Nah, the Connie doesnt have no shields. Its shields work fine unless you are playing against someone that knows the holes. But typically, NPCs struggle with a good connie pilot

[vocal chasm]

@last frigate I'm looking for a ship to buy with ingame cash so ^^

[last frigate]

Ah! Then freelancer max is your girl

[vocal chasm]

Yes and no

[last frigate]

If you want something for hauling

[vocal chasm]

starrunner does the job just as good but it's not released yet

[thorny copper]

yeah npcs are alright, but I wouldn't dare to fly it in case some madman player comes in a fighter

[vocal chasm]

Also the starrunner is faster and i love that

the fastest ship available right now if you consider qd

[thorny copper]

a half decent human player in a fighter could have your engines off before you've gotten your escape QT up

I wouldn't want to risk that personally

Isnt QD size 2 on MSR also?

[vocal chasm]

yes

fast af boi

[thorny copper]

Then you'll have the same speed QT in a max

[vocal chasm]

yea but different speed in atmosphere

[thorny copper]

MSR is more nimble with its thrusters though, but comes at a price

My brother always complains about pissing away credits on hydro lol

[vocal chasm]

true that's a point

[thorny copper]

Meanwhile max is pretty much free to fly, that thing never runs out of hydro

So if you're a cheap-arse (both dollars and auec) its your ride, if you want it flashy and luxorious get the MSR

Just be prepared to pour a lot of your earnings back into it

[vocal chasm]

Okay tyvm I'll think about it ^^

[flat timber]

Are they going to fix the bug where you can't enter a freelancer through the airlock from the outside in 3.12?

[thorny copper]

The top one?

[flat timber]

My max lets the ladder in, allows me in the middle of the doors, folds it up, then I can't access the inner door

*lets the ladder down

[cinder chasm]

ngl the freelancer is kinda ugly tho

[flat timber]

Does the job

[cinder chasm]

tru

[thorny copper]

I rarely have issues with it, you need to stay further from the door

[flat timber]

I needed 2+ capacity and fit a ROC

[thorny copper]

I didnt like it at first either, but it grows on you

Especially that thicc mama max with the quad thrusters

[flat timber]

I'll try that I didn't even know there was a varying distance you can stand I feel pretty sandwiched

[thorny copper]

Yeah its a bit hassle, I get stuck too on occasion

Usually I can get out and try again tho

Or I get in via the back

[flat timber]

This had me all kinds of pissed off. I couldn't get in either orifice.

[thorny copper]

lol yeah had that happening with my black once or twice

[flat timber]

I was excited to start playing so I jumped without a care in the world... and then noticed that was a little of a long drop.

[vocal chasm]

xd

[thorny copper]

You usually tend to learn things the hard way in this game I'll say that

[flat timber]

I did end up getting on that back door after 30 min of 3rd person running in circles and jumping. lol

and lots of yelling

[thorny copper]

if I dont have precious cargo or anything onboard I usually give up and kill myself after a few minutes

[flat timber]

I had 90% of my net worth

[cinder chasm]

[flat timber]

It was a very tense time.

[thorny copper]

yea thats sure to put the scare in you

I started out some 6-7 months ago and have probably lost upwards of 2 million on various glitches causing lost cargo and ship loadouts

[vocal chasm]

That would be a free MAX

[thorny copper]

still love being in the verse but it even drives me nuts sometimes

[vocal chasm]

I think that's true for most sc players

[flat timber]

If they would just get rid of 30k's that take your stuff away

I can deal with everything else

[thorny copper]

or just make the stuff not disappear

I wouldn't dread them so much if it was still there after 30k

[flat timber]

Yeah 30k's where you don't lose anything is fine I guess.

[thorny copper]

would be a nuisance at most to me

[flat timber]

I'd also be ok if they didn't add anything else and only focused on that until it was fixed.

But I'm not sure what it would take to fix it

[thorny copper]

but then again, trading wouldn't be the same rush without some doom breathing down your neck

its always extra satisfying when you make it to terminal and sell

[flat timber]

Well trading will feel stressful still because 3.12 if someone blows you up they can get your cargo

incentivizing piracy.

[thorny copper]

yeah, I try to look up less convenient routes already

[vocal chasm]

wait what ರ_ರ

[flat timber]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boss-baby-serious-gif-6184646

[thorny copper]

like trading/mining around crusader is pretty much inviting yourself to get griefed

[vocal chasm]

well luckily the police in this game does a good job so don't worry

[flat timber]

I haven't had any run-ins yet (played one month) but I'm preparing myself for one. I've only been close near space stations and cities.

[thorny copper]

gotten ambushed maybe 3-4 times since I started

its not very common, at least not on eu

but it happens for sure

[vocal chasm]

considering that you could need to run from another player having the extra mobility of the starrunner could be the difference between delivering your cargo and losing it

[thorny copper]

yeah, freelancer can take a heck of a beating though so your changes of getting away are decent still

it doesnt have as good hull hp as MSR but you still got two S2 shields

if you get ambushed, forget trying to fly away, just spool up QT instantly and look for nearest jumppoint

can often be a good idea to abort the QT halfway also, makes it much harder for them to follow

[vocal chasm]

true

[thorny copper]

of course if you're in atmosphere its not as straightforward

[vocal chasm]

Well there's still so much balancing to do

[flat timber]

They FOLLOW??

[thorny copper]

some do

more tenacious players who look which way you jump

[flat timber]

Just roll the dice and pick a spot in the direction you go?

[thorny copper]

can initiate their QT and go after

yeah

[flat timber]

I guess you'll have to hope it's far enough they run out of fuel in a fighter or whatever

[thorny copper]

but usually if you cancel QT before reaching the jumppoint you'll end up somewhere in between and it will be near impossible for them to know where you ended up

[pallid temple]

Well in 3.12 all this changes

People can detect you from 10s of km away

[thorny copper]

yeah, an aborted QT will often land you hundreds if not thousands of km away from destination tho

[pallid temple]

I was watching someone test it and it's seriously terrifying

[vocal chasm]

but then you will be able to detect them too no?

[pallid temple]

Nope

They can see you but you can't see them

[vocal chasm]

o.o

[thorny copper]

unless they have a sixth sense, they won't know where you dropped out

[flat timber]

Differences in radar?

[pallid temple]

Nope

It's all about EM and IR

[thorny copper]

stealth getting more important I guess

[pallid temple]

Literally

[flat timber]

Damn I was hoping that wouldn't be more of a thing that's complicated

[thorny copper]

I'll probably stick with my build and see how it goes heh

[pallid temple]

Which ever sig is higher, that's the one that the "ping" takes into consideration

[valid roost]

And the msr is a very 'loud' ship unfortunately

[pallid temple]

If you have a ship with 100k EM, the ping will show it for you

[thorny copper]

at least its specced to take a lot of punishment

[vocal chasm]

yea hopefully that will be the case

[thorny copper]

maybe I should save up for a prowler just to get a pair of sukorans til 3.12

[valid roost]

Thought it was the banu you wanted for that?

[pallid temple]

You're either going to have to be quick when mining or run stealth components

[thorny copper]

nah prowler has two of em

defender only one

[valid roost]

I'll remember that. I've got 2x fr86 in my msr rn

[thorny copper]

sukoran/fr-76 combo is pretty disgusting

[pallid temple]

https://youtu.be/ecVh4r_8_as

This detection is literally insane

[thorny copper]

yeah pinging is kinda stating the obvious

you're literally sending out huge EM discharges covering several kilometers

[pallid temple]

Not when even you're pinging

Someone can ping, and detect your ship from several km away depending on your sigs

[thorny copper]

I've found ships that way already in 3.11, but not really by intent and not as far away

wonder how many will run around pinging for prey this patch

[pallid temple]

The pinging in 3.12 is pretty accurate, not completely but it's close enough to where you can quickly find them

[thorny copper]

time to start thinking twice wether that really was a miner that blipped near you next time

tbh I wouldnt mind doing some pirating myself but my current pc can't really do combat in this game, framerate gets too choppy to hit anything, or maneuver properly

[visual karma]

anyone know why the terminals at ariel both locations arent showing any commodities? like not even options its not a inventory issue. anyone got a fix?

[valid roost]

@visual karma usually have to wait for a server tick if you just got in. Wait 15 minutes for terminals and shops to populate

[fickle zephyr]

thats why i bounty hunt with foxfire

[fickle zephyr]

like an IRL radar, nice

IRL radars work more like when you ar pinging mineables

you get a box around everything in an area and have to focus the radar/get closer to get better resolution

civilian radars are not real radars, they are just transponder trackers

[chrome cloak]

Any idea why I, as the pilot, get stuck when I get out of the seat and go into one of the side turrets to help the main turret in the Mole?

I can’t power it on, nor can I hold Y to exit

Both left and right turrets

In 3.11 live and 3.12k ptu

My friend never has trouble getting in and out of the main turret or the copilot seat

[valid roost]

Is it your mole or his?

[chrome cloak]

Mine

[thin nebula]

Is anyone else having issues with trading consoles not showing anything to buy?

or know of a fix?

specifically PU

[coarse cape]

its probably because no one has been in the area

Where were you trying to access one

[flat timber]

Yes very frustrating

[thin nebula]

Arc 045

and 056 and T&M

@coarse cape ^

[coarse cape]

Yeah not a lot of people go there a lot so you might just have to wait for the server to pickup

[thin nebula]

tried both US & EU too

[coarse cape]

just chill in the area for like 2-3 mins to see if it loads

once the game realizes you're there it should work

[thin nebula]

I'll give it a try thanks

yeah still no luck 😦

[coarse cape]

What ship you using

[thin nebula]

Cat

[coarse cape]

Ah

Ive been doing some MSR trading

[thin nebula]

I've traded a lot in the past, first time I have had this issue

[coarse cape]

been pretty well

yeah

[thin nebula]

weird no stations are working, I did a character reset about 2 hours ago... wonder if that did something

did that cause mobi wasn't working

talking to the npc, different outposts, took off landed, again, landed off pad, everything

[coarse cape]

huh

[thin nebula]

thats everything I have tried, including waiting

plus different regions

[woeful moss]

@thin nebula when did you log in after the reset?

[thin nebula]

30m

then 2hrs of relogging trying to trade

[woeful moss]

I once had problems like that too. They told me it's because I should have waited approx 2 hours after resetting f or everything to settle

let me check their site I think there's also something on that

from their website @thin nebula

[thin nebula]

weird ok

[coarse cape]

I recommend waiting like an hour

[hollow sedge]

Where can you sell stuff you hand mined?

[coarse cape]

Most mining stations take it or trade terminals

and*

[minor dust]

i need help

everytime i followed trade tool path

i buy the cargo.. and when i want to sell

i cant sell the cargo

[pliant matrix]

it's a server bug you've to wait a bit and it'll come

try coming in and out of terminal or even the room

it can take 10 minutes sometimes

[minor dust]

damn

dat sucks

guess i wont be trading then..

[pliant matrix]

that's the kind of bug you've to deal with in an alpha game tbh. today it's on trading tomorrow it'll be on mining or dogfights

[azure prawn]

P A I N I S E T E R N A L

[vocal chasm]

12200 Titanium but what's the unit?

do you have to divide that by 100 to get scu?

[azure prawn]

Its 12.200 unit

which is 12.2SCU

[vocal chasm]

you mean 122 scu?

[azure prawn]

Hmmm

lemme summon the man himself

[vocal chasm]

sry im getting confuused with . and ,

[azure prawn]

@crimson mantle

[vocal chasm]

o.o

[azure prawn]

He/she knows this better than i do

[crisp prism]

100 Units = 1 SCU

Therefor 12200/100=122 SCU

[vocal chasm]

ok so if there's no unit given I should assume that "unit" is meant right?

[crisp prism]

Yes

[vocal chasm]

ok thx

smuggling makes no sense at all. You have all these stations that produce valuable goods but no one wants to buy it lol

idk maybe i'm missing something but from my perspective it just looks ridiculous

[marsh harbor]

The stations on the left look like illegal drug dealers, and they want to sell to the pirate station. Seems legit

[crimson mantle]

Titanium has a volume of 0.01 SCU. So you are correct: it takes 100 to make 1 SCU! 🙂

[crimson mantle]

Are you talking about WiDoW? In that case yes, there's much more supply than demand :D
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/WiDoW
I guess the rest goes to "personal use"

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, sorry for the lack of clarity :/
It's not very obvious right now, since almost all tradable goods have a volume of 1/100 SCU per unit, but different things have/will have different volume.
1 unit of Hadanite for example (1 gem) has a volume of 1/1000 SCU. The different harvestables, like Golden Medmon, have a different volume also.

[vocal chasm]

Dx

ok thx i think understand it better now

i guess sc really wants to be so immersive that you get confused by ingame units just like irl

[spark hound]

Just grabbed a Mole in Ptu, never been in one, quite the beast

[coarse cape]

Yep one hell of a beast if it’s fully crewed as well

[vocal chasm]

can you mine roc rocks / handminables with the prospector?

[pallid temple]

No

[vocal chasm]

bc you cant collect the little rocks right?

[pallid temple]

That and the fact that you'll explode them

[vocal chasm]

ok

[azure prawn]

you can mine(as a friend of mine did it) but you cant collect them and its soo hard to mine

one small mistake and immidieatly overcharge

[spark hound]

@coarse cape I'd imagine, tried solo, would be a lot of work, only got it because I was curious what it looked like inside, I like it....

Didn't cost anything to have a look, took me a few minutes to figure out how to get to the pilots seat, couldn't see the ladder... :)

[coarse cape]

Yeah

It’s a fun ship

Someone who I know owns one and we went on a few trips

[spark hound]

Tried to crack a rock open with the stock head, didn't get very far, ship kept moving from the wind lol....

[tame elbow]

rip

[marsh harbor]

I believe this is incorrect. The ROC has 8 SCU storage and that translates to 800 units of Hadanite at the terminal

[coarse cape]

It has .8 @marsh harbor

Wait nvm I’m thinking of roc to ship

[sonic anchor]

To add and clarify on this, cSCU capacity is determined in terms of container volume. Whether that container is 50x50x25 or 125x125x125, they have their respective internal capacities. The same with the cargo grid inside mineral bags attached to the Prospector and Mole.

[crimson mantle]

Hello! Thanks for getting back. I can assure you that my volume values are parsed correctly. They gave me quite a bit of trouble the first time around, so I checked them extensively!
8 SCU is the amount of cargo that fits in an Avenger Titan. The ROC has quite a bit less 😄 (https://starcitizen.tools/ROC)

[coarse cape]

Yeah what isn’t it .8

Wait*

[crimson mantle]

Yes, it's 0.8

The UI uses SCU, centi-SCU, mili-SCU, micro-SCU, etc. depending on the container, so you have to know your metric system!

[fast zenith]

Alright, so I have a question for all of you drug runners of the verse. Trying to sell E'tam at Orinth, as that is what I have heard is the best price. But it wont let me sell anything. Have I misunderstood something?

[marsh harbor]

If there's nothing showing in the terminal at all then it's bugged

[fast zenith]

Hmm, I've been to 3 different servers where it was like this. Hopefully this new patch fixes it 😄

But am I right in thinking that it should be sellable there?

[marsh harbor]

Yup

[fast zenith]

Aight, thanks for the answer 🙂

[coarse cape]

Try waiting a bit for the server to catch-up that you loaded into the area

I had the same problem. I just usually when that happens run around inside or run in and out of my ship and it fixes

[fast zenith]

I've had that fix my problems in a lot of other trade hubs as well. But it hasnt worked for me in Orinth. But Maybe I just need to wait longer.

[midnight egret]

Hello! Can you make cargo boxes from hand mining like you can with the ROC?

[fast zenith]

I believe you can, you need to open your personal inventory and right click. Then choose Store all commodeties.

Tho I haven't actually tried myself.

Might need to be inside your ship as well

[signal notch]

Is the mole more profitable than the ROC ?

in term of benefits

[fast zenith]

Not as a solo player I find

As a group probably in terms of profit over time

It might be in the new update tho. But I dont know how much more ores are gonna be worth when refined.

[signal notch]

ok thanks, and how to refine an ore ? I am a beginner in mining ^^

[fast zenith]

Well as far as I know in the new patch, which is just now being installed. You go to a refining station, https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/kf3owk/312_traders_patch_notes_summary_datamining/, the link here talks about some of them.

You then go ahead and put in the ore you want refined, and the refining station spits out refined ore after "some" time 🙂

You then take that ore to a city to sell it.

So they are introducing more of a gameplay loop there.

[signal notch]

Ok thanks, nice community btw !

[fast zenith]

You're welcome 🙂

[signal notch]

the refining stations are the all CRU L1 HUR ... stations ?

[fast zenith]

It would seem some of them become refining stations. But I do not think all orbitals are. Some are also R&R stations I believe.

[pallid temple]

They're not refinery stations outright

They're just added to existing R&R stations

[fast zenith]

I haven't played the PTU, so this is probably more current info 😄

[signal notch]

so we can t for the moment refine ore ?

[pallid temple]

Not in 3.11.1 no

[signal notch]

no but in 3.12 ?

[pallid temple]

But in 3.12 yes, this isn't like cargo decks

[signal notch]

ok so there will be some monitor to refine ore in R&R station, right ?

[pallid temple]

In the refinery deck yes

[valid roost]

You guys know 3.12 is going live today right?

[signal notch]

yes

i wait, but don t know when it will be up

[fast zenith]

Probably a few hours 🙂

[pallid temple]

Should be up in an hour or so

[signal notch]

and refine will take time so i will can mining other ore during this time ?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[signal notch]

ok thanks

[pallid temple]

You can have multiple refinery work orders active at the same time

[signal notch]

(and sorry for my bad english)

[pallid temple]

And then when a refinery order is done, you get a little notification on your visor saying where the order has been completed

[signal notch]

ok and i take this refined ore and sell it in port olisar for example ?

[pallid temple]

You can sell it wherever you like

[fast zenith]

As far as I have understood space stations wont take refined ore. Only cities. But maybe I misunderstood.

[signal notch]

ok thanks for all the answers

[pallid temple]

Port Olisar for example buys Agricium

Once you have refined ore, its like you went out and bought it

[marsh harbor]

Tis correct

[valid roost]

Gonna be fun trying to not have the random explode bug whenever I try to qt to planet surface.

[vernal nebula]

can you sell refined ores strait awey or do you need a transporter ship ?

[cobalt shell]

Also, is there much difference in sell prices between refined and non refined?

Or do you have to refine it

[crimson mantle]

The refineries hare here: https://sc-trade.tools/refineries 😉

[crimson mantle]

The difference is double:
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Laranite (Raw)
VS.
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Laranite

[crimson mantle]

You need a transport ship, as the refineries themselves will now buy refined ores. You also cannot put the refined ores on your prospector.

[cobalt shell]

Damn thats pretty good

[marsh harbor]

If you sell them unrefined, you'll get half the price. If you want the full price you'll need to come back with another ship

[vernal nebula]

and how much can you store in a rifaniry so you have a decined amuount to ren a ship and trasport it ?

[grave trellis]

whats the approx percentage yield increase of selling refined vs unrefined, is it 50%?

Like If I sell unrefined 40k, should i expect about 60k when its refined?

[crimson mantle]

you should expect ~190% when selling refined

40k -> 78k

[grave trellis]

oh sweet

one more question, if I refine quantanium, is it no longer volatile cargo?

[cobalt shell]

Can hadanite be refined?

[marsh harbor]

No

[crimson mantle]

No 😢

[grave trellis]

is there a timer on it still if I refine quantanium?

[marsh harbor]

Don't believe so

[cobalt shell]

Aw damn that would have been really epic

[pallid temple]

Once Quantanium is refined, it is no longer volatile

[valid roost]

Question is can you save up refined ores?

Do you have a storage area

[marsh harbor]

They're stored in the refinery, you can set multiple jobs at once

[grave trellis]

how long are they stored in there, if I leave the server and join a different one, is it persistent and still stored?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[marsh harbor]

Yes, some of the longer jobs take several hours. A full load of Quantanium is over 24 hours

[valid roost]

Like could I conceivably fills ship like the cat or carrack with multiple mining runs or do I have a hard timer on refined goods?

[atomic forum]

You can fill your ship up to the roof and then lose it all due to 30k 😉

[marsh harbor]

There's no timer afaik, once the job is done you'll have a menu to select a ship and load cargo

[valid roost]

Cool

[pliant matrix]

🤔 that sounds like a lot of organisation and preparation. isn't it faster money to just make two or three raw runs ?

[valid roost]

Yeah maybe I'm a miner by trade, old rorq multiboxer on Eve

[atomic forum]

And mining get harder you won't be able to crack some rock by your own

[valid roost]

That's what a mole is for lol

[grave trellis]

I mean you could potentially put the ores set to refine if you have to go to bed when your not mining anyways, and always pick it up later

thats when i would see it as useful the most

[atomic forum]

Found 69% Quant rock on PTU but it have 8k mass 😂

[midnight egret]

Do the Roc and hand mining have new UIs or just the ships?

[fervent cloud]

i think the roc has it not the multi tool not sure

[keen shuttle]

yeah the Roc has the new mining interface

BTW are rocs supposed to use different mining heads, today I've run into some rocks that won't charge even at max power with a stock Roc. Hadn't seen it before today.

[pallid temple]

The ROC doesn't mine ship mineables

[keen shuttle]

I know, I was meaning for the rocks of dolivine and hadanite

[pallid temple]

You don't need to change the mining laser

You can't even swap out components on a ROC as is

[keen shuttle]

okay so sounds like a bug then.

thanks =)

[dusty copper]

Is mining in the rented prospector usable since the mining overhaul this wipe or still not worth it?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[dusty copper]

No problems fracturing nodes with the default laser?

[pallid temple]

You're not gonna get the high tier stuff but you'll be able to crack stuff and still make some money

[dusty copper]

Thanks for the info! still not worth it in my opinion then

[keen shuttle]

Anyone else find the new UI a little less precise over the power bar for the mining laser?

could have just been server lag but figured i'd ask.

[valid roost]

So are there actual cargo missions beyond the waste/scrap contracts?

[hollow ferry]

I believe you could just do trade route type flights. Buy goods from one are and sell them in another. Not a game mission, just a player driven experience if you will.

[valid roost]

Well they killed PO for trade and I crash to desktop at a 50% rate when I qt to planet side cities

[spring spruce]

Please is anyone else with Argo Mole literally unable to any mining what so ever with the bugs. You have the mining UI which is still broken in so many different ways I've lost count and getting stuck in your seat forcing a complete reset of the game - which happens in any seat of the mole. In conclusion, I struggled to use mole in 3.11 now with this new update I cannot use it at all and I do not own prospector so now I have to skip mining completely for a month which ain't fun because its the only thing I actually enjoy. Is anyone else encountering this or has anything to add?

[marsh harbor]

I would suggest getting a prospector

[devout ibex]

is there a refinery at grim hex?

[crimson mantle]

Not anymore. Look them up here: https://sc-trade.tools/refineries 🙂

[visual karma]

Could anybody point me to a page or video that helps describe the combination of Mining and cargo running with the refineries in this patch? I haven't been paying attention to what's been changing and now I'm confused

[mossy canyon]

I’m out with my mole now, and it working fine. Very different, but working.

[spring spruce]

It is what it is I've been having the same bugs since couple of updates

[mossy canyon]

Anyone know what the new environmental suit is called and where to get it?

[spark hound]

Where we supposed to sell hadanite, can't sell it anywhere at CRU-L1

this is at the admin terminal, check the quantity out , TF-20, whats that

[crimson mantle]

They changed it in 3.12. You can only sell it at the outposts now: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Hadanite

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer with a location filter will find the nearest spot 😉

[spark hound]

Thanks, I see that was just looking at the website....

👍

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, all the ores and minerals have had their buy/sell points jumbled this patch.

[visual karma]

The best trade rout I can find besides laranite is astatine and it's like drastically lower in profit

Anyone have a better suggestion?

can you trade ore to a refinery with a cat?

[crimson mantle]

That sounds about right. Even Astatine may have stock-shortage issue.

[visual karma]

like make a production chain?

and dang 😦 guess im done making bank

[crimson mantle]

At the moment Refineries only buy raw ore, which you can't buy (only mine).

[visual karma]

gotcha

thanks for the help ive been trying to figure out these new things

[crimson mantle]

My pleasure, it's quite challenging to make heads or tail out of it all!

[flat timber]

Ah that sucks on the ore selling locations

[lavish wharf]

Uh not fun to deal laranite now

they fucked the trading

[visual karma]

Ya trading is nerfed fucking hard. Yesterday I ran two cats with laranite and making almost 700k a run now I'm lucky if I get 18 scu of laranite

[lavish wharf]

Yup completly !!

Laranite = 0

[visual karma]

The only thing you can fill a cat with is scrap right now

[lavish wharf]

Thinking of buying a mole to mine

But i'm not sure yet

[visual karma]

Might as well at this point but you can get same profits in cut black with ROC

[lavish wharf]

Or Astatine

[hexed yarrow]

so what is the meta mining head now since helix is not king anymore?

[visual karma]

That changed?

[lavish wharf]

I have a carrack, can store the roc in

[visual karma]

That works but try that and see how it goes

[lavish wharf]

Already did it, but always doing "boom" because of the little ramp lol

IDK if i'll buy a mole or a prospector :/

I'm solo, but sometimes my corpmates are free to help

[fervent cloud]

same

[lavish wharf]

same ?

[fathom silo]

ROC Vs Prospector... Most profit? Havent tried the prospector yet

[atomic lark]

Roc is pretty consistent

I would say roc in 3.11, but 3.12 there is alot i dont know

Alot has changed

[fathom silo]

@atomic lark Yeah i thought it may had been to Early to ask.. but you never know 😁

[lavish wharf]

And what's better btw prosp and mol ?

[atomic lark]

Mole would be better, as it holds more and 3 people can mine at once

[fervent cloud]

sorry kami i meant same idk if i wanna get mole or pros

[atomic lark]

But is inconvenient for 1 person to run

[lavish wharf]

yeay heard it was hard to deal with

[atomic lark]

Not really hard, just that you have to leave the cockpit and go down a ladder to get to the mining laser

While the prospector you do it all from the cockpit

[lavish wharf]

but not impossible

Mole have more storage ?

[atomic lark]

Yeah

[lavish wharf]

ty

[atomic lark]

Also to note too is that the mole flys rough in atmo

Much easier to mine in space with it

[cursive dagger]

Yeah.

[lavish wharf]

better to mine in space ?

[cursive dagger]

That's what I will be doing later.

[atomic lark]

Eh

[cursive dagger]

I mean, you can make some bank, space mining.

[atomic lark]

I find space mining ok, i seem to get to rocks quicker while on a moon

[lavish wharf]

ty ma bro

[atomic lark]

Space mining alot safer though

[lavish wharf]

I shall put helix heads ?

[atomic lark]

Especially if you mine in the giant asteroid belt

No one out there

Been attacked a few times mining on daymar/ ariel

[lavish wharf]

giant asteroid belt ? where is it ?

[atomic lark]

You’ll see it on your map in game

Giant circle that’s basically in the same orbit as delamar

Have to stop qt manually to get to it

[lavish wharf]

ty

[atomic lark]

Map is a little off though, its actually a little closer to the sun than it shows

Pretty damn big though, pretty easy to stop in

[lavish wharf]

I see the belt next to delamar

but not btween Sun and Delamar

[atomic lark]

Yeah just stop before the delamar line, thats where it actually is

Even though map looks like its after

[lavish wharf]

oh okay

how do we know we are in the belt ?

[atomic lark]

Look at the map and stop qt when you are close

[fervent cloud]

is the helix head still the one to use or should I be looking into other mining heads

[atomic lark]

Helps if you set a destination as it shows a line of where you are

[lavish wharf]

thanks

[atomic lark]

And also to note that you will keep traveling for a bit after you stop qt travel, you dont instantly stop

How fast seems to depend on what quantum drive you have

[lavish wharf]

roger thanks sir

[hollow sedge]

where can i sell diamonds now?

[crimson mantle]

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Diamond 🙂

[lavish wharf]

Why is diamond better than titanium ?

[hollow sedge]

ok thank you

well a few months ago no station was buying much more than 20 scu

might have changed

i just noticed levski doesnt buy diamonds anymore

[crimson mantle]

That's right: all ores and metals have had their sell locations altered.

To balance where you can sell the refined minables probably.

[lavish wharf]

they'd put a gun on the trade and said "shut the f*** up"

Now i'm selling scrap like a noob

[flat timber]

Any illegal locations for hadanite?

[cursive dagger]

Anyone up for space mining? I have 3 seats open.

[civic barn]

I'm down

What's your in-game name

[cursive dagger]

DrProjekt, I had to restart the game.

Ship wasn't rendering. Lol.

Anyone else want to join?

@civic barn not letting me join your server.

[civic barn]

I'm in menu

[cursive dagger]

Did it pull you in?

Join my voice channel, if you can.

[fathom silo]

Can anyone tell me the meaning of the refinery ? Before anyone start *its for refining", I mean is there solid profit improvement by doing so or ?

[cursive dagger]

I guess it helps purify your ore to gain more profit?

[hollow sedge]

how do i sell stuff here?

this is reclamation & disposal orinth, right?

[crimson mantle]

Check the difference in value here: https://sc-trade.tools/ores/MISC Prospector or Argo Mole
Of course there's time and processing fee, but it roughly doubles in value.

[lavish wharf]

Where can I buy the mole Elix head ?

[cursive dagger]

Anyone else want in? Doing some asteroid mining.

[lavish wharf]

What can I equip instead of helix on my mole ?

[hardy iron]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/alpha-3-12-patch-watch-balance-pass-mineables/3686033 the default is actually pretty good now

helix is still the most powerful but way less than it was

[bright star]

boy this is going great

asteroid mining is still buggy AF

[hardy iron]

you can get to half the benefits of the old helix with the surge and brandt consumables then you have to choose between the forel or optimum consumables depending on if you want to min/max resistance/charge window

[visual karma]

Anyone get a good fix on a good trading run for cats? Been struggling making pennies after this last update

[twin spear]

So, will people be able to sell stolen cargo in this patch? I recall that the illicit goods terminals vanished in the previous patch?

[crimson mantle]

A few places still buy stolen cargo: Grim Hex and the hidden drug labs.
You can always look up https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer and check the "Stolen cargo" checkbox.

[wind summit]

How do you use the consumables for mining?

[atomic forum]

Alt+1, 2, 3 Is default

[wind summit]

Thanks! @atomic forum

[lavish wharf]

Is there a Jumpoint for the asteroid belt as CIG said ?

[pallid temple]

No

[lavish wharf]

ty

[grave trellis]

If I refine an ore, how long does it stay stored in the refinery?

[pallid temple]

Until you collect it

[grave trellis]

so if I switch servers and leave it there for a few days it should still be there?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[grave trellis]

oh nice

[pliant matrix]

we agree refinery's only about prospector/mole ores. Not handmining and ROC ones?

[spark hound]

Correct

[pliant matrix]

does it makes it a better income over time than roc tho?

[spark hound]

Today..don't know, and it will surely be different a year from now regardless

If that long....

[verbal cargo]

Roc is still king

[spark hound]

Today, I agree, but they asked over time, and it's definitely all going to change

That's assuming their trying to make a decision for the future

[stray knot]

where can i buy the mining bit for my multitool

[modest raptor]

Anyone know what the differences in the refining processes are?

[pallid temple]

@modest raptor Different yields and costs