industrial-professions

[crimson mantle]

Try scrap: https://bit.ly/3onBit2

Very big margin of profit on 60k investment.

[mental ivy]

if stations arent buying laranite because its "full" how long until room free's up? and how much?

is it per minute ticks?

[crimson mantle]

In theory the amount listed on sc-trade.tools is in minutes, yes. In practice, because the servers seem to run slow, it may be a bit longer. Also take into account that everyone on every server competes for the same inventory, even when selling.

[mental ivy]

ahhh, ok thanks. i only had 100scu to sell and after a couple minutes i was able to. good to know that it's across all servers. i was curious about that

I want to get in too larnite but it seems hard to find stock and to sell. been doing diamonds out of ease making about 66k profit per quick run. l;ooking to get profit per run around the 100k mark

[royal kelp]

Could I get a recommendation from you guys?
Game: Star Citizen
Primary Action: Mining
I have the VKB Kosmosima's sitting in cart right now but am unsure whether to get dual Kosmosimas & some sort of add-on for mining throttle? or dual Gladiator NXT

[foggy tulip]

wait till they add an ammount limit for ore .. I think they will nerf back a bit the mining

what they call the "demand "

[visual karma]

Any good cat trade runs lately?

[devout ibex]

HOLY SHIT I LOVE THE GAME, i just crashed, and when i loaded in it just put me in bed in my ship in the exact same place on the ground at celin poggers 🙂

[thorny copper]

sometimes you get lucky and end up back on the same server again which allows you to pick up where you left

don't expect it to work consistently though

[river jasper]

thx @crimson mantle

[devout ibex]

nvm i now dislike it because it just yoinked 300k

400*

AHHHHHHHHHHHH'

[violet ermine]

Where do you sell medical comps at NB?

Need to know where the terminals are.

Found it in commons ^

[fallow wagon]

Trade & Development I think in the Commons

[pale crane]

In the Commons where there are all the shops. If you go the the end of the main corridor you will find trade and development

[violet ermine]

Yeah got it, thanks guys.

[pale crane]

👍

[fallow wagon]

👍

[river jasper]

whats the chapest starter pack rn

[fallow wagon]

$45 mustang or aurora

[civic barn]

Where do you buy optimum consumable

[bright star]

you can get that at PO, Lorville, etc.

[civic barn]

Nice how do you actually use them

Dammit I just realiZed I lost my helix head during the reset

Rip

[bright star]

it's best to reequip the stock components before you do a reset

[civic barn]

I couldn't the bug was my mobi glass was.broken

I had no way :(

[bright star]

[pale crane]

When you reset you lose all your aUEC ? Cause I have the same problem with mobiglass. And I am trying reinstall instead of reset

[bright star]

you don't lose your aUEC

you may lose your ship components

[pale crane]

Oh good to know. I'll try that next time.

[atomic forum]

Reinstall have helped you with that??

[burnt lake]

my ships msr & catarpillar seems to explode for no reason when carrying goods back from celin

[warm belfry]

guys,where is it worth mining?

[pale crane]

Don't know yet. I'm still 30gb out...

[atomic forum]

While a got i same problem few days back and I had to restart acc

And j have losse all components on the ships

[pale crane]

Next time I'll just reset instead of reinstalling it will take less time ...

[civic barn]

Yeah I'll take the reset over a reinstall that game is a hog on my internet download speeds

[atomic forum]

Just let me know if the re instal have helped you with mobi glass bug

[pale crane]

I'll let you know

[zinc lynx]

Hi guys.

Combat pve dogfighter coming here to ask questions. I'm about to pick up a ROC.

• I know I want to look for Hadanite but are there any specific moons or locations over others I want?
• has anyone tried a cutty red with a roc? I hear it fits but how well. And hows the scanner range?

[crimson mantle]

For locations, feel free to checkout https://bit.ly/3mMFWAu
All ships of the same size have the same scanners at the moment, so a cutlass red shouldn't be any worse than anything else.

[paper forge]

is it true that cutlass red have much better scanner to find ROC minables?

[pallid temple]

No

[pale crane]

I tried the roc and the red during the free fly and it fits perfectly. You just go in and park in front of the (opened) medbay door. And when you exit the roc you will get in the medbay and can walk to the cockpit :)

[lilac hedge]

how does the SCU attach to the aurora clipper?

Does it just attach to the bottom, is there a box under there?

[coarse cape]

Any cutty and the msr work for carrying the roc. Probably the best place to go mining I would say is Aberdeen or arial. Daymar works some of the time but might take longer

[tribal goblet]

Any ingame purchasable ships that can hold 2 rocs?

[pallid temple]

Cutlass

Valkryie

[tribal goblet]

oh, i thought cutlass was limited to 1

[zinc lynx]

It can fit 3 with jank

My real worry was with the red

[upper gulch]

Hey friends. I have Q about spawning multiple vehices. Can I spawn more than 1 ROC for me and my friend to use? I believe cause Im spawning it that only I will be able to sell contents in those unless a transfer is made out of the cargo slots. But, that shouldnt matter since we can now transfer $$$

[tribal goblet]

You can sell from any ship you own, that is at the station you're at.

[upper gulch]

But it is possible to spawn 2 ROCS for us to use?

claim it?

[pallid temple]

You can spawn 2 ROCS just fine

[pliant matrix]

I once spawn a second roc and both were appearing so if you unlock them they can be used I guess yeah

[upper gulch]

Sexy

[tribal goblet]

Do you need to move the first off the pad/etc?

[upper gulch]

Thanks friends! 😛

[tribal goblet]

then spawn 2nd one?

[upper gulch]

Id imagine ya, move it. Have friend drive it. Then claim and spawn another one.

[tribal goblet]

I'm just thinking that's how i've had to do ships

but I havent tried with Rocs

[west bison]

can u sell at loreville or does it have to be somewhere like grimhex or po

[pale crane]

Check on sctradetools

[autumn pebble]

when the random explosion in warp happens and you loose all your 1m credits to a bug sigh

[weak quail]

Are Mining nodes generated on the moons surface or do they have fixed spawns?

I'm having a lot of trouble finding hadanite on Arial for example. I fly very low with my cutlass and got the Roc in the back.

The past few days i hardly find nodes, and mostly dolovine.

Therefore i was wondering how these nodes are distributed, when they respawn, if their locations are fixed or not.

[coarse cape]

Pretty sure it’s random

[pliant matrix]

I went twice into a destroyed ship between hurston OM1 and Arial. It made me get out of qt but too late so boom

[umbral vale]

what are you trading that you lose 1m at once?

laranite?

[pallid temple]

Most likely

[umbral vale]

risky to trade all your money in one go

[autumn pebble]

ya laranite

I mean takes a few hrs to make it back so w/e

about a day to get back to a mill

[umbral vale]

trading would be so OP if not for the 30ks lol

making like40k a minute

[crimson mantle]

Deposit distribution is definitely random.
As far as I can tell from the data, every location has equal chance of everything at the moment.

[umbral lodge]

cAN I SPWAN A ROC AT aBERDEEN

[coarse cape]

yes

any mining facility

or just a place that has platinum bay

@umbral lodge

[umbral lodge]

Thanks

[pliant matrix]

if only we could spawn cutlass and msr at platinum too... landing zones are big enough for a cat

[umbral lodge]

which outpost to spawn

[umbral vale]

If only we could spawn a c8x zzz

[tacit otter]

This will lock the original ROC and make it unusable (sometimes bugs and doesnt lock but not reliable)

you need to own two

also only the owner of the vehicle can sell the contents, or whoever turns the contents into a crate

[light star]

is there a way to transfer ore from your roc to your ship?

[coarse cape]

yeah

you go into roc inventory and press store commodities

[valid roost]

well i feel special, just got done with my first ROC excursion. 175000 auec later im happy, got a real juicy like 8 or 9 hadenite cluster at the end

[foggy bane]

I presume this isn't a feature yet, but can the prospector currently dump/ jettison the cargo pods for other players to collect? The ship brochure says it can detach the pods and has spare pods

[hot cedar]

nope, it is not a feature yet AFAIK

[tepid hawk]

Now that I've hit above 5mil it's just laranite hauling right? besides laranite I haven't seen anything more profitable in a cat.

[light star]

which site has the most up to date prices for cargo?

[pliant matrix]

I guess but stock are low since a lot of people are farming it. I couldn't fill my cat with laranite even emptying bezdek and Lathan

[tepid hawk]

Yeah I grab laranite from both on arial or both on wala and then head to PO

but I found titanium better

[static saffron]

Can you with the current build move inv from ROC to ship Storage and of so which would be a good ROC hauler?

or 3.12

[pallid temple]

You can already move the inventory of the ROC to a ship's cargo grid

[static saffron]

Wonderful Thank You @pallid temple

[tepid hawk]

Wait how does that work

Figured it out

Don't worry bout me. Amazing feature they added and I had no idea of haha.

[coarse cape]

its a great feature until your ship despawns on you lol

[hollow sedge]

My MSR did 'The Copperfield' twice already, plus that one time i logged back in on Arial and it clipped through surface and started its descend to oblivion, but luckily I quickly started it up, and went back to surface.

[coarse cape]

Yeah that’s why you don’t bed log when mining

[hollow sedge]

I only did it because the scan ping was starting to get delayed, also doors, folks started complaining in chat about similar things so I decided to switch server

[coarse cape]

Ah

Maybe try going to orbit

Usually is better up there

[hollow sedge]

True, next time I'll do that instead

worst case I will end up next to star

[coarse cape]

Lol

Just make sure you’re not too close

So gravity doesn’t drag you

[hollow sedge]

The times I logged and came back next to it, I usually QT out of Dodge stat

[coarse cape]

F

[hollow sedge]

too bright there

[civic barn]

What's good spots around port ollistar for quantanium

[hollow sedge]

Daymar is an option

[civic barn]

@hollow sedge on the planets or the asteroids in orbit of it

[hollow sedge]

I usually do surface mining, have very little experience with roid fields, there aren't any around Daymar anway. They can be found at Yela

[crisp prism]

If you want quantainium, Daymar surface is your best chance of finding some

[civic barn]

Thanks

How do you actually use the consumable once you've equipped it to the ship

[crisp prism]

Put them on your mining head via Vehicle Loadout Manager. They will automatically apply their upgrade while you're mining

[civic barn]

Oh so it's not like drinking something

How long do they last

[crisp prism]

No

[crisp prism]

Depends on the consumable. Some might last one rock, while others might last an entire mining session

[ashen raft]

Mining is so fun 😄

[foggy tulip]

Eu server , anyone needs a ship and pilot for 2 ROCS in the bay ?

I ask 20%

of the profits

[crisp prism]

Think you're looking for #looking-for-session

[pliant matrix]

first time I get into huge hangar 🤩

[crisp prism]

For such a small large ship

[pliant matrix]

xD we were three cat at lorville so I guess I got what remained free

[crisp prism]

Looks like it could fit two Reclaimers...

[pliant matrix]

My heart beats increased dangerously during the travel

[crisp prism]

Nice

[uneven star]

Its nice when you actually get a full cat of Laranite! I love those runs.

[civic barn]

How do the optimum consumables work

[pliant matrix]

they're nice economically but damn stress about literally anything. from 30k to hangar doors closing too fast etc xD

[hushed jay]

what;s the best thing to trade during this patch?

sick of doing delivery runs

[pliant matrix]

it depends your ship and budget

[lethal portal]

Laranite I guess. Look at sc-tools

[hushed jay]

alright will do

[lethal portal]

Medical supplies

And illigals at labs

[pliant matrix]

laranite need a bigger invest. Titanium and astatine are also nice goods to trade since they've a nice regen

[pliant matrix]

only in small quantity

[lethal portal]

Oxitocine or whatever it called has pretty big stocks

Weed is hard to sell, not that much demand at GH

[pliant matrix]

you mean altruciatoxin?

it's 5k to 10k +100/minute to buy and 4k +100/min to sell. it's very low

it's better than widow for sure but still low to make a decent profit

strangely for a newcomer scraps is a god invest. like 40% benefit and always in stock

[hushed jay]

does cargo persist?

if I store my ship and log off with 50 SCU of something, will it be there when I log back in and spawn my ship?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[hollow sedge]

should be there yes

[hushed jay]

nice

[pliant matrix]

I so like when roc engine break after mining 4 rocks on a 12 hadanite rock nod 😩

[hollow sedge]

Can this actually happen? I had a similar issue with my ROC a couple of days ago, just finished my last trip outside the ship had it almost full, but it just wouldn't move anymore. Was 100m or so away from the ship, luckily the server held for long enough for me to carry over the Had into the cargo hold.

[pliant matrix]

it seems roc is screaming "too hot" and then boom wheels and mining head wouldn't move anymore

when I checked the power items both motricity and another I forgot the name was having 0hp (heart point)

[hollow sedge]

Were you on Ariel during the day? I wonder if it has something to do with the high temps there...

[pliant matrix]

no aberdeen at almost night and in fog

[hollow sedge]

hm

[pliant matrix]

I guess it's safe to let the engine cooldown a bit when chaining the rocks

[hollow sedge]

Might be right

[pliant matrix]

if it'd be between two rocks I'd say it might be a bug something go disabled or anything but it happened to me in the middle of mining one. everything stopped and never started again.
But it seems to be pretty rare or people don't talk much about it

[lethal portal]

how ROC-mining workflow looks like? Scan with Cuttie → Mine → Get it full → Take the box somewhere in Cuttie → Repeap untill you fill you are reach → Sell?

[pliant matrix]

kinda but I'd not advise stocking too much in the ship. I prefer to go sell once the mining is valuable enough. I usually sell at 60-70% of my roc

server "accidents" are too frequent and fast arrived

[lethal portal]

First expirience. Looks like ROCs does not do QT (Lorville to Crusader)

[tribal goblet]

Cram as many Roc's on a ship as you can; have them all mine, fill ship, fill rocs, sell?

[teal nexus]

where did you buy that much ¡, if you dont mind me asking?

[pliant matrix]

Arial Bezdek. but it's rare to have the stock full tbh

I usually doesn't fill much more than 40-50% of a cat

[teal nexus]

Yeah, thats why I was asking cause i've never gotten that much

[valid roost]

had my cutty pop out of existance while cleaning up some rocks in my ROC and another player had landed at the hdms i was near and i was able to drive back to sell lol

by tracking them

[hasty zenith]

@lethal portal That's pretty normal when doing a low pass around Crusader during QT. I've consistently lost vehicles in the hold while doing low fly-by's of Crusader.

[paper forge]

each box is full Hadanite ROC

and yeah ROC are also full

[uneven star]

How do you get boxes out of ROC?

[lethal portal]

Hit F while and cockpit and look arround

[civic barn]

Can you put it from the boxes to the ship cargo

[quartz laurel]

yes

see his image above, it shows the boxes in the ship, which will use the ship's cargo capacity

1 full box is 0.8 SCU

[river jasper]

damn diamonds are really profitable rn

[civic barn]

So once it's in the box it just automatically counts towards your ships storage

[quartz laurel]

you could have 1 hadinite and empty into a box

the physical size of the box doesn't change and will take up the same amount of space as a full ROC with 0.8 SCU box with hadinite.

[tribal goblet]

lol

a full cat, using boxes holding 1 hadinite each

[quartz laurel]

that would take you weeks to do lol

the size of the box is small 😄

stacking said boxes and the physics of them moving after you take off could also be a problem 😄

[tribal goblet]

Dont tell me how long it would take

I'll make it happen

[quartz laurel]

literally weeks

placing crates on surfaces need a way to lock it down on the surface you've placed it, so that next crate placed ontop is also locked down or locked in to eliminate crates falling off each other as you move the ship.

crates are metal to a degree so a simple magnetic lock from the ships cargo floor would keep creates locked into position

currently it's all loose like a goose

[tribal goblet]

Thats what she said

[ashen raft]

You don't need to transfer your goods from your RoC to your ship, you could have gone to a mining station on the same planet/moon and just retrieved it 🙂

Same thing happens if you 30k or crash on a planet/moon, even flying in the atmos will be enough for it to be retrievable from a console on that planet/moon. You won't lose anything at all, so it's best to farm til you're at close to full or out of HF (if you're using the MSR for now ;P)

[civic barn]

Is there a base on a planet where you can spawn a roc and sell ore too at the same base

[coarse cape]

Go to a mining facility

[tribal goblet]

Which one

[coarse cape]

Any

They all have a platinum bay

I don’t remember if all of them have a place to sell ore tho

[amber terrace]

use common sense, things named shelters, stashes, etc. are just small huts without spawn pads
but almost any proper facility will be fine

[civic barn]

Does optimum consumable automatically activate when it's equip

[green sundial]

no you must manually activate it like all the other consumables

[civic barn]

Ok thanks

[green sundial]

https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/

this should answer most of your questions

[civic barn]

Thanks

[tardy flower]

Greetings everyone.

Can you explain to me how the property works on the ROC ore boxes? How to sell a boxe illegally? Who's the owner ? Thanks 😉

[crimson mantle]

@tardy flower You can only sell from a ship you own or your own inventory.
Picking rocks from a ROC you don't own will create stolen goods. You can only sell stolen goods at the terminals that appear when checking "Stolen cargo" here: https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer

[tardy flower]

thank you @crimson mantle

Only GrimHex buy stolen hadanite boxes ^^

[crimson mantle]

That's right: since they removed the secret locker-rooms terminals in the R&R stations, for now we only have Grim Hex.

[tardy flower]

Septeculation mode on @crimson mantle do you think it will be the same with the ore coming out of the rafinery ?

[crimson mantle]

There's no way to tell, I don't have any privileged information whatsoever. I'll update the website as soon as 3.12 hits though!

[velvet fractal]

Out of curiosity anyone know how much each individial fps mining shard is worth? Like 500-100?

[coarse cape]

Depends on the ore

And sometimes where you sell

[crisp prism]

As a rule of thumb, you can use this chart:

[zinc lynx]

Do all mining outposts have vehicle spawners?
Or are there some that will not have one

[pale crane]

I believe all the ones with mining in the name get one

[green sundial]

@crimson mantle is a superstar data miner

👍

[crimson mantle]

@crisp prism answer's comes from https://sc-trade.tools/mining btw, if you want to explore the data yourself 🙂

[weak quail]

this is VERY interesting to me!
What kind of Data do you have? Ingame files? Algorhytmns?
I would love to know how it works in more detail, which scanners behave in certain ways, what are the radie for the nodes to spawn in, is there a delay in spawning the nodes, is a pattern or a chunk system that limits the nodes per squaremeter surface, are there respawn timers.. and so on.

[velvet fractal]

Thanks!

[crimson mantle]

I data mine the game files using https://github.com/dolkensp/unp4k.
I plan to expose the clustering and deposits distribution info soon once I have some more free time.

The respawn timers all seem to be 1h

The scanners are all the same. The rocks actually have a signature output, the same as ships, which vary depending on their size.

[weak quail]

thank you for sharing! would need to see what the output is. is there any information you gather consolidated somewhere, regarding traversing the data?

[crimson mantle]

On the website :D
I don't keep the signatures stored at the moment, as deposit-level info is not displayed. I'll think about adding it in a future update!

[weak quail]

interesting.. i seem to be getting mixed results when trying to scan. sometimes nothing and when i fly over them i see them suddenly. is that because of an delayed spawn? do you know any spawn conditions of the nodes themselves?

[crimson mantle]

From what I can see, all deposits can spawn on any terrain (elevation, slope, doesn't matter).
Server performance is out of my hands though, can't say much about that 😛

[weak quail]

i tried different speeds/altitudes/scanstrenghts and ranges. however figuring out what the variables are would mean i could adjust these values for maximum effiency due to the spawning algo

this kind of gives me minecraft vibes. when you know that certain things only spawn until an certain y level, for example, or only certain biomes and only conentrated x amounts in 1 chunk. i would love to get my hands on this info. guess some stuff is server side tho

[weak quail]

thank you for responding so quickly tho! excited to see what you can dig up in the future (:

and i dont think server logic will be something we will see anytime in the future

[crimson mantle]

Indeed. So far I know that different deposits spawn on different planets.
What spawns on a planet has equal chance to spawn anywhere on the planet.
There are probabilities of a cluster spawning in a given chunk, but I don't know the chunk size.

[weak quail]

last questions, distribution is across the entire planet? so i would be able to mine far away from an outpost?

for lets say hadanite on aberdeen?

[crimson mantle]

From what I see yes. To me it looks uniform.

[weak quail]

if you ever need any help or validation/testing, let me know (: Good evening to you!

thank you for the time (:

[green sundial]

if something isn't popping up and then popping up when you got closer but should have done so further away, thats the server

[vocal chasm]

under what circumstances can you buy and sell goods into / out of ships?

I was just wondering because you can land besides outposts and still interact with trading consoles can't you?

[crimson mantle]

You can buy/sell to/from a ship that you are the original owner of. You don't have to be on a pad, just in the vicinity (parked, hovering, drifting, doesn't matter).

[vocal chasm]

what counts as "vicinity" ?

[crimson mantle]

I'm not certain of the distance, but you know how far you park from the trading console in a city? That far.

[vocal chasm]

ah hmm

[crimson mantle]

I believe it's a couple KMs, but I don't know for sure 😄

[vocal chasm]

well it does seem worth testing doesn't it? There seems to be a huge difference in flying with a racing ship through athmosphere in comparison to a cat

[crimson mantle]

For sure, that would be worthwhile information.

[vocal chasm]

you could just do carrack trading with a small ship in the upper hangar

im very new to trading so i dont know what to expect

what is the maximum that a player can get an hour?

the ship doesnt matter

you can always grind that thing no

[vocal chasm]

consistently ofc

if youre lucky and get a full outpost on laranite that doesnt count ^^

or does it? Oo

[crimson mantle]

On a perfect day, doing Laranite runs on a Caterpillar, 900k/h. That won't happen in real-life though.
I'd personally estimate ~215k

Doing Titanium

[vocal chasm]

oh really?

even if you invest the time to find out the best routes and tricks?

[crimson mantle]

Feel free to explore your options :)
https://bit.ly/2VSWquM
Keeping in mind that profit will be lower in-game because of supply/demand and the dynamic economy.

[vocal chasm]

oh thats your work isnt it? Ill look it up

but I'm honest 200k / h seems quite few

[crimson mantle]

The key to bulk trading is figuring out the best value of the "Minimum refresh rate" filter you are comfortable with.

[vocal chasm]

think about how you can make 220k/hour with the roc without investment

[crimson mantle]

That's also possible. ROC is very good right now.

[vocal chasm]

it really seems too good

but then im wondering how is one player supposed to grind to a carrack? You will have to share the price with other players correct? Thats the only way

just assuming that you can grind 200k/h that will take you 130 hours lol

I at least want to imagine that i still got a life

[crimson mantle]

Oh boy, I'm no CIG game designer, so unfortunately I can't answer that. But right now the ships prices are quite steep indeed.

Maybe once they finish more game loops there will be a good path to big ship acquisition.

[vocal chasm]

i hope but thats the stuff that will probably be added way later. They'd be stupid if they'd remove incentives to cash in with real money

But thx for your answers 👍 Ill look up your site and probably switch to trading if they inevitably nerf roc mining. I'll just hope that the mercury will be buyable ingame

[crimson mantle]

Who knows what will happen in 3.12 with the refineries! But I'll keep the website up-to-date 🙂

[vocal chasm]

sounds good

[robust shell]

Me and a friend is roc mining on aberdeen and we can't seem to increase the Rock energy level even though the laser is at 100%. Is it a bug or are we using a wrong head?

[quasi forge]

Would love to see evidence of that. All I have is anecdotal, but to me it seems like I have a much harder time finding Hadanite(or anything other than ores) when in some areas quite far from say, the two mining stations on Arial. I've tried a bunch of times when both Bezdek/Lathan are in the dark and I've gone to the opposite side of the moon to try mining in the day, and it always feels like I'm flying for much farther/longer and finding very few gem clusters vs many ore rocks. If I stay within the general area of the mining stations, I seem to have a lot more consistency and greater chance of larger clusters as well. Again, just anecdotal evidence.

[quasi forge]

what are you trying to mine?

The ROC doesn't have an upgradable mining laser like the ships do. The only thing the ROC is able to mine are gem rocks(with the gem symbol) and you should really only be looking for Hadanite.

other than that, mining weirdness could be due to server sync issues and could be sign a 30k is incoming.

[robust shell]

yeah, we we're trying to mine hadanite but nothing happened. think i found issue council report with our exact situation. thanks anyway @quasi forge

[crimson mantle]

There does seem to be some biome modifiers on Arial, but I'm not sure if they matter. Feel free to take a look: https://pastebin.com/wmYseeYc

Looks like the Dried and Acidic areas may not spawn deposits, but I haven't verified that myself.

[quasi forge]

Would be cool if that's true

[rough basalt]

This might be a dumb question but can I use my mustang alphas small cargo bay when hand mining?

[river jasper]

No

[rough basalt]

So hand mining with that ship is impossible damn

[bleak quartz]

does anyone run medical supplies anymore?

[coarse cape]

i dont

[crimson mantle]

Medical supply is a poor bulk-trade commodity due to the very low buy-rate of almost all locations that buy it: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies

[bleak quartz]

thats what i was looking at on gallogs

[open hill]

I have been giving it a go in a Cat. Running it to Loreville will net 168k

[bleak quartz]

@open hill from where?

[open hill]

Deakins on Yela

Not sure how the time works out vs a Titanium run

[bleak quartz]

ah yea

i was looking at agricium for a second

[open hill]

Agricium is similar to Laranite, in there's rarely enough to fill a hold, and the profit is so low that you need to spend way more than you would on Titanium

[crimson mantle]

¤13 856 UEC/min doing medical VS ¤11 980 UEC/min titanium (approx.)
You WILL have to wait on medical supplies though, no choice.

[open hill]

I've only done a couple of runs in a row on Medical out of Deakins, so that doesnt surprise me

You can switch to Calliope and Cellin after, I think, if no one else has cleared them out

[naive maple]

Whats the deal with all the Padrammers lately?... its like we've gone back in time!

[paper forge]

Can ROC fit inside Gemini?

[green sundial]

its end of patch life boredom

Gemini can fit like 8 ROCs

[paper forge]

I was curious if it fit through ramp doors which seemed to be bit small :D

Thx

I see future tiwh gemini

Unlimited fuel to do long roc runs at other systems without refueling

[pliant matrix]

any of you lost things since yesterday? I lost my pembroke and few other stuff

[crisp prism]

I'm not sure. I think if you try hard enough you might squeeze one in

(Insert sarcasm above)

[zinc lynx]

do people often find that they're some how trolled/griefed while trying to ROC mine?

I've quite literally been unable to do it because others keep interfering.

Yesterday I got upto the point of finding hadanite rocks... then some one came over to the moon and just decided to shoot my Roc... ignoring my friend in a cutty black. and then just left when I got knocked over...

[shell badge]

I'm trying to use the SC trade tools. When filling in what ship i'm using and the money i have it directs me to a route from benson mining outpost on yela to port olisar. Yet when i try to buy stuff at the mining outpost nothing is shown that i can buy. According to the tool i should be able to buy astatine there. Any idea what i'm doing wrong?

[hollow valley]

@zinc lynx people are cunts, just the way it is man.

[zinc lynx]

I mean i've encountered my fair share

[signal jacinth]

Anyone know where i can sell med supplies for a good amount?

[zinc lynx]

it just seems uncanny how many i'm finding While trying to mine

[amber terrace]

@shell badge nothing wrong, it's a new bug that causes trade terminals to be empty

[shell badge]

aaah okay, thank you. Does this bug always happen or should i try and switch servers when it does?

[amber terrace]

it happens to me a lot lately - i can't trade at Microtech and ArcCorp moons

@shell badge some people here suggest waiting few minutes at the terminal so maybe it loads goods but i haven't found workaround personally

i just try at different outpost or stop trading :/

[shell badge]

ok. I just wanted to show my friend how trading works. So far no succes :p

[amber terrace]

yeah, trade terminals had almost no bugs until 3.11 for me

[vocal chasm]

@zinc lynx If they have cs you can alarm bounty hunters. I've encountered a player with similar behavior but I got pretty fast support from a couple of people on the server. Especially as long as there are no incentives for people to grieve others without reason but there are incentives to bring those people to justice there should always be more people willing to help you than attacking you.

Just be sure to write their names down 😁

[velvet fractal]

is there any refinery terminal at everus harbor?

[crimson mantle]

Unfortunetly no
https://sc-trade.tools/shops

[fair fog]

never use ROC or Prospector near warp-end points like outposts
Just go to planet orbit, find where sun is coming at land (well, actually land is turning towards sun) and then land there manually. Make sure you're away from anything people can jump to

[velvet fractal]

is it always the case that the ore you scan will put the materials in it from most expensive to lowest, or do you have to make sure to scan it 100% so something like quantanium isnt hidden in there?

[zinc lynx]

@fair fog what about going to orbit, jumping to another point and cancelling half way across the moon?

[fair fog]

@zinc lynx that works too. But lazy way is lazier

@velvet fractal you can stop scanning for more types of ore once first category on left side appears. It means no more ores, only how to crack rock info is gathered

[zinc lynx]

I mean I'm fine taking a longer time to set up after I can figure out how to do it

[fair fog]

@zinc lynx Oh! I forgot to mention this.
If you jump between two points on planet that are over 500 km apart, it may send you back to high orbit

[velvet fractal]

copy that, thanks!

[zinc lynx]

Right now I've only been driving and broke a rock

Didn't even get to gather the rock as some one shot me while I found the rock

[fair fog]

@zinc lynx you mean you were in a ROC and found a gem rock?

[zinc lynx]

That caused my ROC yo flip over

Rock =/= ROC

Fucking

Thx discord formatting

[sage bane]

Some basic mining questions lads

I have a 325A, and Ive gotten a multi tool
So how do I proceed, can I just basically land onto any of the mining locations, pack my ship up with ore till its full and then i just sell it somehwere?

Im not sure, but ive heard somewhere you can mine with a multitool

[pliant matrix]

if I remember well you can only mine rocks with a mass of 0.10 or less

more than 0.10 is for ROC and more than 1.0 it's prospector/Mole

but out of that yeah you pack your bag at it's full and make it a box to put in your ship then go again

you can put as many box as your ship scu can take

I don't know if the ship you use MUST have a cargo space or not to carry boxes tho.

[sage bane]

It has decent amount of space, not necessarily cargo space but I can fit an ok amount into it

Regarding the bag, I assume I have to buy this somewhere?

[pliant matrix]

yeah take either pembroke for high heat planets (at lorville) or the other one for cold planets (I don't remember where to get that one. Maybe PO)

those have the max space and will protect you from bad conditions

[unique badge]

hi everyone

I'm trying to mine yela astertoid belt but have found nothing valuable

was it nerfed in the last patch? or am I just unlucky?

[sage bane]

Thanks a lot I'll take a look at PO first then

[lilac hedge]

I wonder if small stations, planetside outposts and anything without the facilities to support massive cargo haulers like the HULL E will have pads that you can put SCU on that's accessible like ship cargo.

[hollow sedge]

I need some info from the experienced ROC operators in here - 1. When flying/scanning, do you skim along the surface, or gain some altitude? 2. When pinging, do you use full power, or just say 50% or less?

Also, is your scanner set to 4% or some other value?

sry 4x not %

[pallid temple]

I get relatively close to the surface and I ping all the way

[coarse cape]

When you go looking for the ore make sure it had a gem shape icon. The Boulder ones are for prospector/mole

[pallid temple]

Although you don't need to get insanely close to the surface, I like doing it for funsies

[hollow sedge]

Yes, I tend to fly close to the surface too, but not overly so

[pallid temple]

Although I have been pushing my luck with the MSR in recent days

That ship's MAVs have got some kick to them

[hollow sedge]

What bout the scanner range, @pallid temple - do you set it to 4x?

[pallid temple]

No

The key to working out if a box has a ship mineable or ROC mineable is to check the distance

If its 1000-1500km away, its a ROC mineable, if its 2000km+ away, its a ship mineable

[hollow sedge]

yes I've noticed, the omes under 2.5km are usually the roc ones

oh

I could swear I've seen boxes appear at 2+kms and they also turned out to be ROC rocks

[pallid temple]

I just can't wait for when scanning is actually good and we can filter out things

So if you're wanting ROC mineables, that's all you get

[hollow sedge]

that would be nice, a filter setting for scanner

[pallid temple]

I hope we get filters for minerals, the amount of times I've been jebaited by the scanner is ludicrous

[hollow sedge]

How about terrain wise? Is there possibility of finding nodes in the hilly area larger than in plain and vice versa, or is the spawning about equal for both?

[pallid temple]

I can't remember who it was, but I did speak to someone about the distribution and Hadanite on Arial at least tends to spawn more in craters

So there's a little bit of guesswork and practise that you can do to be really good

[hollow sedge]

I'm currently also visiting Aberdeen just to see what's it like here, and the terrain especially in the hills is a nightmare, boulders and dead trees everywhere

[pallid temple]

Yeah I personally would not recommend Aberdeen

[hollow sedge]

I'll stick here for another hr then I'll head back to Ariel

[coarse cape]

Same. I’ve went once two hours trying to find one box of hadanite

[pliant matrix]

I've found big nodes of haranite on aberdeen and usually take one hour to fill my roc with maybe 80 hadanite to 20 dolovine

it's all luck and I'd advise to go 200-300km away from all stations

in empty areas there are more chance to find nice loot

[half badge]

heyya. just got the ROC. have definitely spent a good chunk of time exploring in the ROC and doing some random mining

whats the best moon/location to mine with the ROC?

[bright star]

in 3.11, it's Aberdeen, Arial, and Daymar

those three have the most hadanite deposits compared to others

[half badge]

okay awesome

and how do i know where vehicle spawns are? im about to head to aberdeen but i have to grab the ROC

[pliant matrix]

search for hdms Norgaard or the otther one. those have spawn monitors

[half badge]

okay. is there a list somewhere of the spawn points?

[pliant matrix]

just go into the cabin next to the two small landing spot. there is a monitor you'll see your roc in the list

[half badge]

okay ty

[pliant matrix]

don't land on the landing area btw. land in the grass nearby

[half badge]

very good tip!

[bright star]

the other one is HDMS-Anderson

[pliant matrix]

thx I always forgot this one

[bright star]

i find it easier to remember that one because it's Anderson. lol

[pliant matrix]

Norgaard is easier for me since it sounds like "north"gard

[half badge]

sooo

i spawned my ROC once

then i was out mining and got 30K'd

back now trying to get my ROC

fails to claim...

i cant get it

[pliant matrix]

welcome to star citizen trade and mining life xD

try changing server again

[tardy flower]

@half badge claim it from onother outpost

[bright star]

claim it from another moon/planet. it won't work even if you go to another outpost on Aberdeen.

[half badge]

thanks ill give that a try

[atomic forum]

Valkyrie does not fly in atmo pretty well or am I missing something

Event with VTOL

When the hover mode is on that think does not fly forward at all :(

[crisp prism]

It flew fine when I tried

[atomic forum]

With out hover mode it's fine but when it's one

Not that good I could mise something

[lilac hedge]

I wonder how much equipment you can fit into 1 SCUs worth of cargo.

[tardy flower]

@lilac hedge 100.

[lilac hedge]

I mean like

How many units consumables, small arms and armor would take up

Like, how many sets of armor and rifles and ammunition can i shove in an SCU?

[half badge]

hey wheres the best place to sell the hadanite i just mined?

[karmic mason]

I like selling at levski

[atomic forum]

Everus Harbor ?

Depends on where you mining it

[pliant matrix]

🤔 why making it complicated? just go back to an hdms station on the same planet you mined it and sell it in the storage room

[pliant matrix]

380k lost in 30k

I love that game xD

[thorny copper]

welcome to trading

[pliant matrix]

not the first time don't worry. i lost 600k some days ago

[thorny copper]

yeah everytime I start feeling bold enough to trade other than scrap the game usually puts me back in my place lol

[pliant matrix]

lol. I calculated I'd be at around 3-3.5M without all 30k I got on last days. now I'm only 2.2M

[bleak quartz]

i just lost 200k to my first drug purchase of 3.11

no bad...but def not good

[flat timber]

Anyone know the smallest ship that can fit a ROC, and the smallest ship that fits two ROCs? Wondering how much I can spend to start ROC mining with a friend.

[lilac hedge]

cutty black is pretty common right?

[flat timber]

Ok that’s what I’ve thought to fit one... does it fit two?

Does cutty black have cargo grid?

[lilac hedge]

it can carry 2 of them

[flat timber]

That’s music to my ears.

Err eyes.

[lilac hedge]

and yeah, it has a cargo grid

46 scu

[flat timber]

Sweetness. Thank you. If not the cutty black do you have any suggestions? I just want to be a miner with a friend. If I get into anything crazy I’ll make the money mining.

[lilac hedge]

If it's you and a friend then the black is probably the go-two, it's the only one that carries two exactly

[flat timber]

Prospector is a bit too rich for me IRL

Ok cool

[lilac hedge]

Actually,

[flat timber]

Gracias

[lilac hedge]

you can get three rocs into the freelancer max

2 comfortably.

[bleak quartz]

nomad is the smallest as of now

[lilac hedge]

Ah yes

the nomad you can shove it in the back

[flat timber]

For the cutty and the freelancer can you pilot with one person?

[bleak quartz]

yes

[lilac hedge]

Yeah, the freelancer and cutty are good with single pilots

[flat timber]

With weapons?

[bleak quartz]

you can pilot with one person every ship

yes

all small ships have pilot defense weapons

[flat timber]

Ah ok. I thought maybe one person had to pilot and one had to turret.

[bleak quartz]

thats pretty much only the case on the Hurricane

but pilot still has weapons

all the cargo ships have pilot weapons

minus the carrack

[flat timber]

Cool. Nomad is smaller than the freelancer?

[lilac hedge]

yes and it can carry 1 roc

[bleak quartz]

nomad is smallest medium size cargo ship yes

[flat timber]

I pretty much just want to carry another person, 1-2 ROCS, and a grid.

[bleak quartz]

then you need a cutty

[lilac hedge]

Freelancer max or cutty black

[bleak quartz]

at the very least

[flat timber]

Ok cool I’ll check these out. My buddy might’ve bought a cutty so I’ll buy the freelancer.

[thorny copper]

I prefer max

[tribal goblet]

I want to carry 10 rocs, and have cargo space. Suggestions?

[flat timber]

To spice it up.

[bleak quartz]

@tribal goblet javelin

[lilac hedge]

Honestly? Starfarer

[thorny copper]

but cutlass is probably nicer to fly when doing moon mining

[lilac hedge]

it can fit the most rocs of any ship

[flat timber]

Thanks for your help everyone. This Aurora and hand mining gun is so lame and annoying I needed to upgrade.

[sleek walrus]

good trade route for the MSR?

[crimson mantle]

I'd personally go for Astatine or Titanium
https://bit.ly/3lX1RDJ

Feel free to fiddle with the dials and discover something else! 😄

[sleek walrus]

thanks

[serene furnace]

someone wanna help me with mining?

[atomic forum]

Put two ROCs in cutty must be real pain 😅

Even Valkyrie is soo close to fit two of them, but I have seen video where they fit 3 ROCs on MSR

[bright star]

yes it's possible. but doesn't mean you should

[zinc lynx]

also like

an msr is gonna run out of fuel before it even leaves the outpost

[atomic forum]

Until next patch

[zinc lynx]

did they say they'd buff it?

[bright star]

yep

[atomic forum]

Yes

And MSR fly pretty good in Atmo

Definitely better then Valk or Cutty

[zinc lynx]

wish I could afford one 😛

best I got is my friend who has a cutty

though I picked up a red in game and have been using that

[atomic forum]

In red you will fit only one ROC and with struggle

[zinc lynx]

yeah

like I said, best I got

and the cutty doesn't fly that bed

[hardy ravine]

@umbral lodge http://sc-trade.tools/

when you go there, you will see an option to show the restock rates

SC Trade Tools creator is also around here often

[umbral lodge]

thanks got it

[umbral lodge]

laranite THE BEST FOR TRADE

[umbral lodge]

so the 114 cargo the msr does is not to bad i can make 63,000 profit from one trip with my msr
is that good or can i make more

[minor dust]

Between black cutlass and freelancer max, which is good for trading?

[thorny copper]

max got more than twice the cargo of black

[minor dust]

But cutlass is more flexible, like it can do combat etc?

[thorny copper]

its more maneuverable in a fight, but its also more fragile

armament-wise they are reasonably similar, black wins out on missiles but max has 4xS3 gimbals while black has to make due with either fixed S3 or gimballed S2

[minor dust]

So if i can buy either a black or a MAX.. what would you recommend

[thorny copper]

I prefer the max overall, but I also have other ships to choose for things like combat

black is probably a bit more multirole, but doesn't really excel in any particular area

are you buying for credits or in the rsi store

[minor dust]

I have gladius for combat, currently looking for trading ships

Planning to upgrade my titan to MAX or Black

[thorny copper]

ok if its main purpose is hauling then max definitely

[atomic forum]

Caterpillar? 😅

[thorny copper]

if its an upgrade deal, why not upgrade to black first and try it out

its on the way towards max price-wise anyways

I went that route, upgraded my black to a max

[minor dust]

I mean caterpillar is hella ex imo

Been flying black for mining, but it was a rent.. its not bad i guess

[thorny copper]

max flies quite a bit slower, takes a little getting used to from black but its also a lot tankier than a black

you get two shields vs one in black, and significantly improved hull hp

[minor dust]

I see, anw.. technically can do mining with MAX too

Hahahaha

[thorny copper]

you could, it won't be as agile to scout in tho

[minor dust]

True i agree

[thorny copper]

but it will fit a ROC no prob

[minor dust]

But renting a black is cheap anw

[thorny copper]

probably 2 or 3

yeah

[minor dust]

I prob get a MAX then.. thanks for the advice!!

[thorny copper]

I really like my max, feels thicc and safe heh

[minor dust]

Do u have a max build i can refer?

Like wat quantum drive and shield etc

[thorny copper]

https://www.erkul.games/loadout/dH61BmcR

thats what I currently run

[minor dust]

Nice, thanks!!

[thorny copper]

mostly military stuff

cheers, gl with it

[atomic forum]

I have CCU'd my Max to MSR

[fresh hamlet]

any got some good trade tips

[unique badge]

I very rarely find any laranite to buy at mining stations, presumably because everyone is buying it. Are there any good alternatives for trade?

[crisp prism]

Agricium

[vocal chasm]

@unique badge http://sc-trade.tools/

[pliant matrix]

Titanium or astatine. Always available and a decent profit.

with a full cat it's around 100k profit for 400k invest so 25%

If everything go right it's around 500k profit an hour by doing arial-lorville runs

[hard siren]

Is this ok for a cat build https://www.erkul.games/loadout/oj1CYuzL

[pliant matrix]

🤔 except a little better shield and few seconds win over qt drive I don't see the point into changing something to stock cat. it's a lot of invest for very little upgrade imo

I mean you litterally earn 16 seconds of quantum speed and you earn 30sec on shield restart. knowing cat shield rare drop except if you're attacked by 2 or more enemies and if that's the case you wont have time to restart it before blowing up

all that for a 802k invest

[zinc lynx]

But what else is he going to put money into?

[fallow yew]

Is the Freelancer MAX worth the 150$ for ROC mining?

[zinc lynx]

Use a cutty black

[crisp prism]

No. You're gonna find it very sluggish and heavy to fly.
I'd recommend a Cutlass Black or bigger

[fallow yew]

I had some problems fitting the ROC in the Cutty and I dont want my ROC to blow up after an hour of mining.

[fallow yew]

l was already mining with a constellation and had no problems, except for the cargo ramp.

[unique badge]

do you find you spend a lot of time on the lorville tram, or is there a faster way to sell at lorville?

[pliant matrix]

No other way

You can sell titanium at everus but in less quantity

[upper gulch]

@fallow yew MSR is good for Roc

[pliant matrix]

If you trade with an msr selling at everus is way better

[upper gulch]

MSR is waay better than the Connie right now because the elevator is blehh

And the Connie is sluggish. The MSR lands smoothly and the cargo bay can fit 2 ROCS

[unique badge]

lorville not accepting titanium, I guess they are full up?

[pliant matrix]

Wow that's rare

[fallow yew]

But the MSR is also 100$ more than a Freelancer MAX.

[pliant matrix]

Did you went to business district then on the right up the steps?

[unique badge]

I'm in the admin office off the square

or is that the wrong spot

[pliant matrix]

It's not there. Go to business distric with the tram

Once you're there enter the building and take the left door you'll have monitors in the middle of the room

[unique badge]

thanks, its a little confusing which terminal accepts what

[pliant matrix]

Yeah it takes time to get used to it

[crisp prism]

The constellation feels less sluggish than the Freelancer MAX. Comparing the Aquila and the MAX, you'll find the Aquila feels like a seal, where the MAX feels like a whale

[atomic forum]

Consteltion should have new fly model this patch right ?

But for ROC minig is Cutty good, MSR and Valkyrie is the best in my opinion

[crisp prism]

Valkyrie has better fuel consumption and only a ladder compared to the stupid fuel consumption and slow doors of the MSR

[lilac hedge]

So you can empty the ROC hold, put a box down on the cargo grid, and then go fill it up again right?

[crisp prism]

You can, yes

Using the "Store all commodities" in the inventory you empty the load into a box

[atomic forum]

But don't recommend to do that's

[pliant matrix]

cutlass is very nice for roc. less than msr but still it fit nice and fly better

[lilac hedge]

Why is that?

[atomic forum]

Better to sell instantly and not risking 30k server crash

[lilac hedge]

O, so it's a stability issue

[muted perch]

You can fit two rocs in a freelancer max no problemo

[atomic forum]

MSR fuel consumption should be fixed next patch

[lilac hedge]

Yeah, i figure if we get proper item containers a MAX might be a good choice

[muted perch]

Actually they just upped the fuel tank afaik

[atomic forum]

And Valkyri have problem by the VTOL it won't fly forward

[muted perch]

Its...vtol...

Need I say more

[atomic forum]

the two rare thruster are some how fucked

[crisp prism]

Don't use VTOL?

I only use VTOL to control descend and ascend

[atomic forum]

That's a solution but why the ship have it ? You should be able to fly forward

On reduced speed ofc but you should 😅

[crisp prism]

Maybe the ship doesn't have vector thrusters that points backwards?

[muted perch]

For that ship it is more meant for plunging through the atmo to drop troops than shoot back up like a rocket I think

[crisp prism]

Exactly

[pliant matrix]

how about pointing the nose of your ship down and going forward like an helicotper?

[crisp prism]

It is a "drop ship" per definition 😉

[muted perch]

Not intended for maneuvering around. Its main purpose is for a warzone, you wouldnt want to linger down planetside with it too mush

[atomic forum]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/issue-council/star-citizen-alpha-3/STARC-121827-Valkyrie_Rear_thrusters_not_working_in_VTOL_mode_when_in_atmosphere

[muted perch]

Much

Aren't the rear thrusters pointing down in vtol?

[atomic forum]

Nope

[atomic forum]

I have try it, it does not work

[crisp prism]

Remember to decouple first

[atomic forum]

For sure but I think you should have litre control bout your cours in forward/backward velocity

[crisp prism]

Enertis, just fly decoupled. Many more options for "realistic" flying

[atomic forum]

Oh I will try next time with decouple

[unique badge]

got a weird ROC bug where neither laser will fire?

any known fixes?

[pliant matrix]

Not really a bug

It seems at some point the mining head or some engine is breaking

[unique badge]

oh okay

[pliant matrix]

Did you mined several rocks in a raw? Like 4-5

[unique badge]

yeah quite a few

more than that

[pliant matrix]

Then that's it

[unique badge]

huh

[pliant matrix]

Did it said "too hot"?

[unique badge]

nope

or at least I didn't spot it

I've had that before with my weapons though

[pliant matrix]

Well yeah seems like mining head overheated

[unique badge]

any good way to check weapon/mining head "status"?

[pliant matrix]

Well there is a "hp" counter in part list with 100 ♥️

If it's at 0 it's dead

[unique badge]

armor mhv mining laser is 100

either way, I guess I store and respawn?

[pliant matrix]

Dunno I don't have the list of component in mind but something must be at 0

[unique badge]

my ping and drivetrain are at 0 😛

must be my parking

[pliant matrix]

Well I'd those one too last time

Better clear your Roc storage before claiming it

[unique badge]

i'll sell up first yep

[pliant matrix]

Yeah. Better let roc rest a bit between two rocks. I learned it not long ago too 😃

[green sundial]

check the heat MFD and look for the cooler component in the items

if the 2nd number by the gear icon is 100 then the cooler is burned out

[pliant matrix]

Any way to monitoring the heat so it doesn't climb too high? Till now I only noticed it when it's too late

[unique badge]

I'm on aberdeen, so maybe thats it

[pliant matrix]

Maybe it doesn't help yeah

[unique badge]

note to self - next time remove the old ROC first

I can't drive the old one

[crisp prism]

You're either experiencing desync or high instabillity. If you notice the heat doesn't change when it should, cut the laser and start again when it moves

[pliant matrix]

🤔 I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the mining head overheating causing the roc to be unable to do anything (use laser or even drive sometimes)

[crisp prism]

Ah, your ROC overheated. Is your mining head overclocked or on a hot surface (+150 C)?

[unique badge]

not overlocked no

[crisp prism]

What surface are you on?

[atomic forum]

Soo i have tested the Valk

if i fly decouple and point my nose down the ship start sink down but i can hold it in the air

and i have checke the engines and there is diferent

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/issue-council/star-citizen-alpha-3/STARC-136702-Valkyrie_Forward_Thrusters_by_VTOL_does_not_work

i have made i ticket

[unique badge]

aberdeen, so could still be heat related

but I didn't see a warning

[upper gulch]

Did you turn on your ship?

[crisp prism]

Aberdeen is a living hell to be on. In broad daylight temperatures reaches 200+ C, which cooks the cooler on the ROC

[unique badge]

didn't think it would be out for long enough

[crisp prism]

There is no visual warning, it's all audio. Normally it's the default overheating warning and a lady saying something like "Warning, vehicle overheating"

[unique badge]

riiiight

[pliant matrix]

I've several "too hot" but I never know if it's for the vehicle or me since my body temperature also is high

[unique badge]

I wear the pembroke, but still dont think I heard a warning

[muted perch]

Why in anyones right mind would you be outside in a vehicle on a hell planet?
You would only go out at night anyways

Logic

[pliant matrix]

Hm ? Money?

[muted perch]

Well, if I was in the SC verse, as I often am. I would arrange my planetary missions to after dark as any local of the moon would

Unless I had a death wish

[verbal cargo]

In 3.12 after you finished a refining job, does anyone know if you can put the new commodity back in a prospector and then go sell it somewhere else? Or will you have to switch to a cargo ship? Anyone heard how that works?

[pallid temple]

@verbal cargo The Prospector does not carry cargo

It carries ore and only ore

[static saffron]

with that in mind what would be a good ship to park a Prospector in?

[pallid temple]

Nothing

[coarse cape]

you cant park a prostector in anything currently

[static saffron]

Thats too bad, Thank You

[pliant matrix]

I barely made a hornet enter in the 890 so I don't think a prospector would fit

[coarse cape]

I mean

It can fit but it won’t close

[pliant matrix]

😂

[last flame]

Prospector's a self-sufficient craft almost the size of a Freelancer. Doesn't really need any sort of carrier for it

[tardy sandal]

any new, updated trading calculators out there, or is it still just gallog.io and sc-trading that want you to buy more cargo than can be sold somewhere?

[twilit coral]

Lmao

[valid roost]

figured out how to park a cutty in the 890. its not fun though

remove al the bits that stick out and it fits great

[naive maple]

Hahaha... you mean the engines?

[naive maple]

@last flame puny QT fuel tank... good thing it fits in an 890 Jump

[naive maple]

@pliant matrix it fits... a guild mate of mine did it!... lemme see if I screenshotted it... one sec

[crimson mantle]

Aww, I do keep sc-trade.tools updated 😢
Keep in mind that's the game's static files though: CIG doesn't let us access the LIVE servers data, so I can't account for the dynamic supply vs demand price changes.

That being said, I'm happy to listen to any feedback you might have! I'm working on the website to get it ready for 3.12, so I might as well take in suggestions at the same time!

[tardy sandal]

@crimson mantle my friend, i would not have spoken so carelessly if I knew you were here. Thank you for the beautiful work you've done so far. My suggestions are 2 fold

1. allow for a 'no-wait' routing option, where you only buy or sell the whole stock, not waiting for it to refresh to fill your cargo hold.
2. this one is hard. in your 'highest profit/h' calculations, recognize distance from purchase and sale points. shorter distances like arial to hurston cbd would rate higher than wala to NB.

[tranquil imp]

@tardy sandal good lad, has a calvin and hobbes pfp

[pliant matrix]

For your n°1 it already exist. You either chose to allow wait time or not and you can chose the minimum refresh rate
And for number two the profit over time setting chose the shortest time estimated depending on distance and trading monitors access (lorville takes longer than everus even if they're next to each others)

[pliant matrix]

One thing I would add would be to have a various panel of commodities in the research.
When you make a research it usually pulls out one commodity and many roads. It'd be nice to have like two three best road and multiple commodities.
Idk if I'm clear enough. English not being my native language it's hard to explain clearly

[bleak quartz]

😓 I'm sitting on 30+ scu of hot spice and I can't find reclamation orinth and no delivery missions are directing me there 😓😓😓😓😨😱

[tardy sandal]

so arial to PO is faster (profit/time) than arial to hurston cbd?

[bleak quartz]

If you have an msr with an xl1 drive, probably could do it faster, yes.

Wala to arccorp is pretty fast

[tardy sandal]

wala to arccorp is like from here to the neighbor's house. wala to po is from here to the literal other side of the system.

@crimson mantle this is not even the sc trading site I was using. similar name but terrible. yours appears much better, thanks!

so, i was wrong about everything.

[bleak quartz]

.....

[unique badge]

any known fixes for "service error" in trade terminals?

aha, reselecting my ship fixed it

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix LOCATIONS. You can pick list of places you like and use that as first check

@pliant matrix use "Only Selection" option

[pliant matrix]

I know that. I just mean making on one screen a various panel of commodities. It'd be useful for a new player who want to have a global view of the possibilities.
I feel like the research tool is better at finding very specific things instead of more global one.
But It's just my opinion and still like and use the site daily 😉

[crimson mantle]

Right, I've noticed that too. It has to do with the fact that there aren't that many commodities in the game right now, so for a given investment and cargo capacity, only 1-3 different things will qualify as the best routes in the top 12 I show.

Playing with the refresh rate filter will show different things, but I understand what you mean.

[weak quail]

@crimson mantle do you have, by any chance, data sheets of the scanners per ship basis?
The wiki has no info as of today.

[crimson mantle]

Not on hand, but other datamining websites do I believe: https://scunpacked.com/ships?role=By manufacturer

[weak quail]

there seems to be differences on the scanners/ping based on some testing that this dude made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpvKokenHZA

however based on the website you postet, they have identical pings

[crimson mantle]

I haven't really looked at that, so I can't say. I mostly focus on trade/mining at the moment 🙂

And it looks like there will be a lot more to look at in 3.12 with the refineries!

[weak quail]

The cutlass red for example has more than double the range for detecting roc ore nodes of the cutlass black, according to the video. Was wondering to back this up with actual data. Anyhow, thanks for the info (:

[crimson mantle]

The only thing I know is that deposits have a signature, but it's a "fifth" one. So it's probably special to rocks (not EM, IR nor CS). Speculation though.

<signatures>
<Single value="0" />
<Single value="0" />
<Single value="0" />
<Single value="0" />
<Single value="3000" />
</signatures>

[crimson mantle]

There are different radars in the data. Not sure if they're used or behave differently though.
https://scunpacked.com/items?type=Radars

[weak quail]

Yes, i think however that the Pings are the actual node scanners.
I also compared the radars from the files, their json values are identical expect for the names, also both are Size 2 / Grade A.

I -think- that the ping is the ones that have a certain chance or range in which they can pic up these signatures. the black for example can pic a 3000 signature within 2km, while the red can do it within 6km. (made up numbers)

it would, kinda, make sense for a rescue ship to have better pings, in order to support their search and rescue purpose.

as well for the valkery drop ship, which also has an insane range

but it looks like that the red and the valkyrie share the same radar.. mhhhhhhh

[pliant matrix]

someone ever had that message? I can't sell dolovine or hadanite

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix are you in a city?

[pliant matrix]

no Bezdek

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix maybe the thing is glitching. Try going to central planet orbital station

Checked to see if it will buy, yes
https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > Hurston > Everus Harbor > Admin

[shell badge]

Where do i sell ores that i mined in a prospector? I only find screens for cargo trading

i found a screen that said 'refinery' on it in new babbage showing my ores, but i couldn't sell them there

[fair fog]

@shell badge big cities like Lorvile, New Babbage, Area 18 or Port Olisar

[shell badge]

I'm in A18 now and can't find it at all

where?

[fair fog]

@shell badge wait a minute

[shell badge]

i found it.... phew

couldn't find it at babbage though

[fair fog]

@shell badge https://youtu.be/zOBS5ePUT-8?t=889 this place. To the left there are screens.
One of four is refinery

[shell badge]

at new babbage i ran to the place called i believe 'mt trade development' or something. There were 2 screens there for cargo trading and two screens with 'refinery' on it. Yet i couldn't sell my ores in any of them. Is there another screen somewhere else perhaps?

ty btw. But i think i just found the screen on a18 haha. Took me about 2,5 hours to find a screen... went from port tressler to new babbage to A18 😦

[pliant matrix]

I've been able to sell by switching from roc storage to cutlass storage. dunno what happened

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix did you offload boxes into cutlass black?

[pliant matrix]

yeah

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix then that's why they were counted as cargo of Cutlass Black, not ROC. Because they were his cargo

[pliant matrix]

no. roc was out of the cutlass when I first tried to sell. Nothing was appearing in cutlass cargo. After I transferred the boxes it appeared in cutlass

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix okay, that is weird

[pliant matrix]

I know. never got that before

[lilac hedge]

I wonder with tractor beam tech coming online, if we'll see the SRV come into fruition sooner rather than later.

[pallid temple]

Definitely later

[lilac hedge]

Yes! Spacecraft can be broken down into their component parts for transport, or carried in their completed forms aboard larger Hulls.
I wonder how much truth there is to this now adays

[orchid fossil]

is the ROC worth getting?

[coarse cape]

Yes

[orchid fossil]

i was thinking of trading my NOX for it

[pliant matrix]

Roc is only 172k in-game. Not worth spending real money for it imo

[orchid fossil]

Understandable

[bleak quartz]

Anyone doing trade at microtech?

[nova tinsel]

Since when does Tram and Myers mining not sell any commodities?

[bleak quartz]

They do, the terminals and store items are lagging really bad, so nothing will show up for several minutes @nova tinsel

[nova tinsel]

So I should just have the terminal open and wait?

[bleak quartz]

You can do nothing but wait or leave

Or try switching serverd

Servers

[nova tinsel]

By logging out in the cat?

[bleak quartz]

Risky business

[vocal chasm]

how long do you manage to mine with the starrunner + roc until you run out of fuel?

on a moon like arial

[green sundial]

a good way to save fuel is to turn down your thrust output

[pliant matrix]

I've mined for an hour and half Is say. All depend how much you've to move

But it's enough to fill a roc

[vocal chasm]

ok thx

[vocal chasm]

i'm thinking about which ship i want to grind for and i'm quite indecisive between the Freelancer MAX and the Valkyrie (assuming that the Starrunner will be available for ingame purchase )

Things that I want my ship to have: Size 2 qd; much space to transport vehicles (it should fit a roc + merlin); good mobility even in atmosphere

The main informations I'm lacking are if there's that much of a difference between the max and Valkyrie in terms of atmospheric mobility or capability to store both vehicles. The Valkyrie seems better at both but not that much while being almost useless at trading and costing the double price. So if they nerf roc mining to the ground, which they probably will because its just broken rn, I won't have that much fun anymore.

Any additional thoughts?

[pliant matrix]

First You won't fit both roc and Merlin in either max and msr

I don't know about Valkyrie but I doubt it'll take both

Indivually I know msr can take the Merlin (a little glitchy but it fit)

I'm pretty sure max can't take Merlin tho

[vocal chasm]

well the max can take the merlin with some extra space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWn0HTTSlzI timestamp: 8 mins

is the space enough for fitting an additional roc? I had no chance to try yet

[vocal chasm]

Have you tried yet?

[thorny copper]

is there a more recent video of will it fit for max

[vocal chasm]

idk havent found one

[pliant matrix]

I tried Merlin in msr. It was barely fitting in so with an extra roc... Maybe glitching it but I'm 99% sure it won't work

[vocal chasm]

did the freelancer max or merlin change? Oo

[pliant matrix]

Max is tighter than msr but longer so maybe it could works

[coarse cape]

Merlin and roc won’t fit in Max and freelancer without one exploding

Same with msr

I’ve tried it

[vocal chasm]

ok

[pliant matrix]

Merlin alone yes in msr it works

[coarse cape]

Although it’s trash a roc mining but connies can fit both

For*

Well ones that have the cargo elevator

[vocal chasm]

hmm

[coarse cape]

But I don’t recommend it

[vocal chasm]

because the elevator is gliched?

[coarse cape]

No just it can be hard to land

Since you need to find a spot that won’t glitch your roc

[vocal chasm]

ah

ok then my hopes of getting them both in are crushed successfully ^^

[pliant matrix]

Honestly why do you want both? I don't the see point

[coarse cape]

^

[vocal chasm]

It's just the idea of having to spawn my ship and have all my stuff stored within

I would enjoy that

just like a mobile base

I'm a sci fi nerd sry I can't help it 🤷

[coarse cape]

It’s not like it’s needed yet

But you do you

[vocal chasm]

It's fine I guess

I can just fly to a mining outpost, switch to my roc and switch back to my merlin if I'm done mining

[coarse cape]

Also you’ll encounter a problem trying to repair and refuel

[vocal chasm]

you mean with my merlin?

or in general?

[coarse cape]

When you carry vehicles

You can’t repair or rearm

[vocal chasm]

O.o

ok

[coarse cape]

I mean you can offload them but that’s really the only way to refuel

[vocal chasm]

Is that on purpose?

[coarse cape]

I think so unsure tho

[vocal chasm]

one last question: Which ship is more mobile in atmosphere: Valkyrie or Freelancer MAX?

[coarse cape]

Um

Haven’t flown both so can’t say

[pliant matrix]

I'd say Valkyrie since VTOL bu it seems broken actually so I can't tell

[vocal chasm]

Okay anyways tysm for helping me out both of you ^^

I think I have decided then

[echo kindle]

Valkyrie is definitely better in atmo

[rocky haven]

Hi, haven't played for a while, I crashed my prospector which had a Helix mining head on it, I also had another spare one as I had purchased two. Neither now show in my inventory, do these no longer persist? Thanks.

[thorny copper]

If you owned the prospector they shouln't disappear

[rocky haven]

Yeah I own the ship, but just the standard head shows in the inventory now.

[thorny copper]

Yeah is a bug then, modules and stuff will disappear occasionally

[grave trellis]

Im looking to get a new ship for carrying my roc around with mining. I was thinking about either the cutlass red or valkyrie. Any recommendations on which one I should choose?

[drifting sable]

Valk for sure

[grave trellis]

yeah, I was thinking that was more practical for roc mining. I do like the med bay however just incase something goes wrong lol

[digital hatch]

Can anyone take me mining

[nimble anvil]

Whats the best cargo to buy and sell

[chrome bone]

Caterpillar ;)

[crimson mantle]

It actually depends on your ship and available capital! 🙂 Feel free to explore your options on https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes

[royal kelp]

turret 2 is where on argo mole

[hexed marlin]

Did CIG ever explain what the different forms of refining is?

[coarse cape]

when you go up the elevator to get in the doors to the side mining lasers are to the left and right

dont have pics sorry

[royal kelp]

there are 3 lasers though

which are 1/2/3

Was unsure if 1 was center laser and 2 & 3 were side or 1/2/3/ were in order

[coarse cape]

which one are you looking for?

i believe 1 is center and 2 and 3 are sides

[hexed marlin]

Where can I find the best quantainum deposits?

[coarse cape]

aron halo

believe thats what its called

[undone socket]

where can we find refining terminals now?

any1 kknow?

[hardy ravine]

I found one on CRU-L1 station

damn they nerfed the Helix S1

[atomic forum]

And they also nerfed stone stability, resistance and others

It was in the patche notes so helix should not be the only one head to go

[marsh harbor]

Whats the highest amount of different materials you can get in a boulder when mining? (Excluding Inert) 🤔

[crimson mantle]

6 elements, tied between Gneiss and Granite deposits

[marsh harbor]

Thank you 🙂

[crimson mantle]

I plan to have that info on the website in the future, stay tuned 🙂

[hardy ravine]

Sadly I think CIG screwed up with the new mining interface. Possibly a new person designed it that doesn't understand that miner needs to have an eye on the appropriate/the most stable power levels while keeping it in the optimal zone.

[mortal kettle]

helix or hofstede better in 3.12 with changes?

and for selling refined materials, do you need a seperate ship from the prospector/ mole? i.e. mine in prospector, sell in trading ship?

[crisp prism]

When you refine at an R&R you get the option to store the cargo in a cargo transportable ship. So no. Can't be MOLE or Prospector

[mortal kettle]

cool. about how much scu is a full prospector of refined materials? also, is refined quantanium non-volatile?

[crisp prism]

Raw SCU = Refined SCU and idk

[pallid temple]

Its not a 1:1 conversion

32SCU of raw ore doesn't give you 32SCU of refined materials

[valid roost]

Still don't have a cargo grid to store stuff on station?

[atomic forum]

Is it that bad ? Oh boy sadly I won't have time to check it by my self on PTU :(

[hardy ravine]

@atomic forum IMO yeah... poor visibility in certain conditions, needless data clutter, also someone in CIG forgot that humans have gimbaled eyes lol

It is a nice mining interface, but not for miners sadly

[pliant matrix]

Less visibility than in actual Roc?

[hardy ravine]

Can't speak for ROC as I only tried mining in Prospector

[pliant matrix]

Well Roc interface is the same but smaller. Like reaaally smaller

Not talking about mining in snow condition making the gauges impossible to read

[hardy ravine]

@pliant matrix yeah I got it, it is a different matter.

Well the prospectors interface remained big, maybe a pinch bigger then the previous version.

[pliant matrix]

Well if in roc it's a bit bigger than actually it'll still be a win. Tbh numbers are barely visible and green zone appear to be reduced. That makes it tricky to handle with server latencies 😂

[hardy ravine]

They also removed the graph showing the power levels which was pretty useful in determining the state of the server.

[pliant matrix]

I never used it. Too.focused on gauges

[hardy ravine]

Sometimes it can save your ass from the explosion, when it flatlines and you wonder if it is a fluke or just a tough rock.

[pliant matrix]

I see. Never gave much attention to it tbh

[hardy ravine]

Yeah it is of a secondary importance. In ideal server it would not be needed at all.

[raven hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejL_xLxIkxg
I saw this video and was wondering if this is still a good way to make money, or if there’s something new? I bought the nomad package so I’m able to get a ROC but I’m not sure if that’s worth it or not compared to the prospector

[fair fog]

@raven hill considering that 1 shattered stone of hadanite gives you about 20 gems and each gem is 275 aUEC, that's good way for money. Especially if you stumble upon a pack of stones like 3-5 of them and all Hadanite

[raven hill]

ok

[last flame]

The mining interface is just fine.

[fair fog]

@raven hill if you want to make sure you DO get money, dig until you have 50% full ROC and quantum jump to nearest mining outpost and sell gems.
If you're risky person, open trunk of ROC when it's inside ship grid and open the inventory box. Then convert commodities to box. Put the box in your ship and keep mining.

Risk? You'll lose everything mined. Much greater rush if you DO make it with the moneyz

[last flame]

The only issue I have with it is the mining laser readout pulses when it's in the green, which can make it difficult to see if you're about to cross over into overcharge

all the data you need to actually see while mining is on the right side, and is just fine.

[atomic forum]

soo Helix Head is fu*k up 🙂

and UI on Prospector too, its quit big 😄

[marsh harbor]

Shattered rocks give 40 hadanite

Best money in the game right now imho

[hollow sedge]

Can you show the pic how the mining UI on Prosp looks now? I don't have the access to PTU yet, but I'd like to see it. Thanks in advance.

[still valley]

Reposting this here just for the sake of it:
This is only accurate for 3.11.1. NOT 3.12.

[marsh harbor]

Some of your numbers look slightly off, these should be more accurate

[still valley]

Not my info, but this is good. Thank you.

[crimson mantle]

@still valley
@marsh harbor
If you want a place to pick those numbers that stays updated, the blue button of https://sc-trade.tools/mining will stay up-to-date with the patches as they drop 🙂

[still valley]

Legend.

Pop into #star-citizen too

[atomic forum]

Well I have tried out the new mining and refining process

Looks like Helix head is complet trash now, on Yela I have found lots of stones which have 8k+ mass

And they have reise up precious material in those rocks

Refining proces and ore sell could be done only on L stations

[last flame]

The Helix isn’t complete trash.

The 7-8k rocks are intended for multi-person mining.

You’re still wholly capable of 3-5k mass rocks without struggling. (The Helix also costs half as much as it did).

[atomic forum]

And when I have done the raining job load that stuff to my MSR I wasn't able to sell that stuff

Meh it's still 108k

[last flame]

It was 56k yesterday at CRU-L1

You’re also intended to sell your refined materials at city trade districts.

[atomic forum]

Hm i bought it on port olisar for 108k

Well I should be able to sell Laranite on PO or Grim Hex

[last flame]

It’s worth noting that precious materials were upped elsewhere, too. I ran across an agricium vein on Aberdeen with 4 rocks that had 10%+ Agricium, with one up to 22%.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/239959653646073856/787391019490213948/unknown.png

[atomic forum]

That's good, have you tried to sell your refined goods ?

[last flame]

My server 30k’d before I could land, so haven’t had a chance to see that yet. But others have reported selling at the CBD/TDD of cities.

[atomic forum]

Ok then I have to try it at cities BCS I wasn't able to sell my Laranite on PO or Grim Hex

[last flame]

So at some point in the process, you’ll either take the cut by selling the ore, or have to land at a planet.

Which is made less painful now that the landing splines have been removed from Lorville and Area 18

[atomic forum]

I have noticed that that's great those things ware anoing

Well hope there iy different pricing for laranit

But overall I kinda like it, this gives players more content to explore

[vocal chasm]

@last flame wait do you mean that this stupid tunnel system at the landing zones is replaced with the old system?

[lavish wharf]

Why can't I sell my commodities ?

[crimson mantle]

It's a bug 😢

[lavish wharf]

uh another bug :c

[raven hill]

What’s the better places to mine now?