industrial-professions

[tacit otter]

https://sc-trade.tools/mining

[pliant matrix]

aberdeen is a pain. so cliffy and plain field are covered with rocks

[tacit otter]

youre not mining on the right parts of aberdeen

I can easily do it with an MSR, which is harder to land there than just about anything

there are very flat parts of aberdeen

[pliant matrix]

I was around nord... something

norgaard

valkyrie doesn't have cargo right?

found the information. it doesn't. what a shame with that much space

for those who use mole. how a non too picky run can make as profit? I heard 400k with full agricium or more so I guess around 200k with medium or more stuff

[neat vault]

@tacit otter where have you been mining with the roc?

Need good locations for roc

[atomic forum]

@pliant matrix they want to stop ranting Cat and Carrack? And other big ships ??

[pliant matrix]

I mean during event all ships were rentable for free so a lot of people were doing trading and else. trading has been a pain since iae started

[fallow wagon]

place I was trading at before literally has no stock now

[atomic forum]

Hm i have not noticed my Trade Rout was just fine

Lowest price ever

Actually

[fallow wagon]

might've been bugged, terminal had nothing to trade at all, despite normally having 5-6 different minerals

switching servers and revisiting etc still had nothing

[atomic forum]

A was trading Astatine on ArcCorp

It's fast on the same planet, atmo there is bit thick

But still buy in 7 and sell 9

[fallow wagon]

oh nice, that's probably better than what I was doing

[atomic forum]

But I will try that one with Carrack instead of Cat

While Carrack can probably get out of atmo faster then cat

[tacit otter]

@fallow wagon that is a bug, wait some time around the terminal and then refresh it, try walking away and reselecting it and eventually the commodities will apear

[pliant matrix]

same for me nothing to buy nothing to sell

and i've a roc half full

I'd to leave a 8 hadanite ore because it was impossible to mine because of server lag

it find the commodities but doesn't allow to interact

[tacit otter]

You have to wait for the terminal to work

shouldnt be more than 10-15 minutes

just open it to the buy/sell page, if its still not there back away and reopen it

it will take a few minutes

Its because of back end server load

[pliant matrix]

yeah that's what I've been doing but with previous signs when trying to mine it's scary xD who said mining was relaxing?

enjoying the view while then. smoking a cig into my helmet xD

[green sundial]

the Valkyrie does have cargo. It can carry 30 or 32 iirc

[green sundial]

that is horrible out of date

[pliant matrix]

and even if it can take 30 it's nothing for the size of the thing. if msr can take 110 it should at least take around 100

[green sundial]

https://starcitizen.tools/Valkyrie

30 SCU

because they don't double or triple stack the boxes

[tacit otter]

its not made for cargo :P

its made for troops and vehicles

[green sundial]

^

[tacit otter]

we cant just make every ship a swiss army knife

[hearty atlas]

Isent it a drop ship

[tacit otter]

yes

[pliant matrix]

C2 is made for tanks and troops yet it's supposed to take 600scu but i understand what you mean when checking inside. it's on two lvl with command room etc. yet it takes two roc easy so should be taking more than 30scu

[tacit otter]

basically a Hercules on a smaller scale

no

the C2 is a transport ship that is a civilian variant

made for cargo transport

its like the civilian cargo planes

vs a military AC-130

i.e. the M2

Valk is more like an Osprey

you dont move much in an osprey besides people and maybe 1 vehicle

[hearty atlas]

Yeah, also when are they coming out, they where announced a while ago

[tacit otter]

probably Q1 or Q2 2021

[pliant matrix]

next wave after talon it seems

[tacit otter]

from what we've seen about its art and leaks it sounds like they wanted it to be physically viewable at IAE

[hearty atlas]

Ah I see, you think the c2 would hold up with the Caterpillar? Since it is a winged ship and decent storage

[tacit otter]

hercules will be superior to cat in both atmospheric flight and C2 has 50 more cargo

[pliant matrix]

c2 will be more at ease in atmosphere it seems since it's designed for doing earth drop

[tacit otter]

The Hercules series was developed for the UEE Navy specifically to hot drop troops and armor directly on top of combat zones

specifically in atmospheres

[pliant matrix]

C2 will be a nice roc carrier too xD with two ramps

[tacit otter]

sadly the A2 will be useless outside of planetary attack

yes the two ramps will be very nice

[hearty atlas]

Pretty sure it can hold 2 nova tanks if I am not mistaken

[pliant matrix]

supposed to yes

[tacit otter]

up to 3 perhaps, A2 can hold 1

Im not sure how theyll justify the cargo difference of the M2 however

as the physical differences are only in the hull strength and the armament

not a smaller cargo hold

[hearty atlas]

I see

[tacit otter]

M2 cargo is 150 less than C2

but it has heavy armor vs the medium of the C2

I got the M2

[hearty atlas]

Damn it was like 400 euro no ?

[tacit otter]

$480 USD

I got it for $375

[hearty atlas]

[tacit otter]

using CCUs

[hearty atlas]

Still alot

[tacit otter]

and funnily those CCUs also gave me the IAE BiS skins, minus carrack

I only own eclipse ingame

[pliant matrix]

damn it they removed warbond offers. bye bye my upgrades plans I waited too long

[hearty atlas]

Tbh I dont know what the point in buying ships for irl money is anymore since you can buy them in game if you grind a bit

[tacit otter]

Im a bit surprised they did so soon

was expecting them until the event ended

depends on the ship Smash

[pliant matrix]

some can't

[tacit otter]

fighters and small ships arent worth it

but larger ships, are worth it

because of hull insurance for life, skipping the exponential grind, etc

[pliant matrix]

also even with wipes (because there will be wipes at some point) you'll still keep your ships

[tacit otter]

small ships are fine to grind for but bigger ships will take exponentially longer

[hearty atlas]

Hmmm still not sure about that cos if you have a bud or 2 you can easily buy a 890 jump in a week

[tacit otter]

it wont be that easy when the game comes out

yeah wipes are a factor^

I only own MSR and M2 Hercules right now

[hearty atlas]

Yeah that is true cos atm I think roc mining is a bit op

But there should not be any wipes in a while no ?

[pliant matrix]

I made 86k with half a roc earlier in like 45min

[pliant matrix]

nothing sure. they could do one tomorrow if they wanted

[hearty atlas]

I avrage about 200k every 75 min

[pliant matrix]

I'm not very picky. I take dolovine when i don't find hadanite for a while

better than losing time searching imo

[hearty atlas]

Well yeah but would not be very nice if they did it with out warning would it

[tacit otter]

Ive hit 200k in 1 hour

but even so you can get comparable rates with other professions

like bounty hunting in hurston with a dedicated fighter

and trading is more OP than ROC mining if you do it right

[pliant matrix]

I had to stop just when I found a nod with 8 hadanite ore. but two explode because servers were going mad. so I quitted and went to sell before it's too late

[tacit otter]

even using a basic ship like an MSR, Freelancer, Connie, etc

[hearty atlas]

Well could you tho ? I mean I am not sure but risk vs reward mining is by far the best in my opinion

[tacit otter]

yeah risk vs reward

thats why trading gives FAT stacks

I made 350k in like 10-15 minutes last night

using a cat

[hearty atlas]

Depends on what servers and availability

Wait what how ?

[tacit otter]

Laranite

[hearty atlas]

[tacit otter]

thats been a thing for ages

[pliant matrix]

you can't find better atm (even with variable value) 15 damn min witch mean around a mil an hour

[hearty atlas]

How did you fill up ?

I never fill up

[tacit otter]

in the last day or two supply has increased

[hearty atlas]

I am not sure, havent traded in a while since 1. I have no capital 2. I risk losing alot with the ammount of bugs in this patch

Already had to acc reset

[pliant matrix]

you doesn't lose money when resetting account

not anymore. I made one last week

[hearty atlas]

I know but it is a pain and if I crash I loose alot of progress

[tacit otter]

You can invest more to fill the hold and going to PO is technically faster than dealing with trains at Lorville @pliant matrix

[pliant matrix]

yeah ik it was just an example for the numbers 😉

[tacit otter]

its more like 1.4m/h

[pliant matrix]

also you'll sometimes (almost always) have to wait to empty your cat if you fill it

[tacit otter]

not with the last 24h

the servers were more responsive and stocks were up

[hearty atlas]

So it is recyclable? They refill fast enough,

[tacit otter]

IAE bogged down demand

[pliant matrix]

Anyway I've 1.4 mil so I wont bet it all on one run xD

[tacit otter]

but its relaxing now because people arent renting large ships for free

[hearty atlas]

That is true but some times you still run into those moments where the server diesxexample where you go to any task manager and items dont load

[pliant matrix]

and po is dangerous with grim next to it. with a faster ship I'd not mind but cat...

[hearty atlas]

In conclusion, upgrade slowly in game try buy a cut and trade till the stock market crashes

[tacit otter]

small servers are your friend

less bugs, less lag, less 30ks

Ive been consistently finding 10-20 person servers in the past week

and theyre way more reliable

[pliant matrix]

A18 have the best laranite refresh rate btw. 5000/min

so wala-A18 road might be interesting

and with bezdek/lathan to A18 you're sure you can buy and sell multiple times I guess

but longer

[hearty atlas]

how did I not know of this

5000

Still not crazy but way better then the others

[tacit otter]

yeah but I also dont like running the most popular route because thats where the pirates like to go

[pliant matrix]

all laranite road are dangerous actually. if you want to make it safe switch to titanium or diamonds but way less income

only issue is wala low stock to buy. 50k and 500/min

so arial to a18 is the way

[trim willow]

and lose a mil every time any error happens 😦

[pliant matrix]

so pessimistic! Is living without risk really living?

[trim willow]

im happy with my bounty hunting 150-200k/h with no risk yes 😦

[pliant matrix]

this is your way

[trim willow]

i might be able to make 1m/h cargo running but even one crash sets you back a full hour as if nothing happened

big sad

[pliant matrix]

shit's happens sometimes. doing cargo is more profitable and so more risky for various reasons; yet when you finish a run and see 200-300k more on your account in like 15min it's nice happiness

I guess to each their own

it's also being smart. I wanted to try a 500k cargo earlier but when I saw "door bugged""terminal not working " in chat I said no way too risky

[coarse cape]

Mining is good way to make profits

No real risks

[pliant matrix]

all you can lost with mining is time

[atomic forum]

Trading is fun especially when you lose 2x full cats in a row 🤣

And buying ship for irl money is risky business too

My actuall fleet bough for money

Over the last I don't know maybe 4-5 years

Purching ship with money and LTI Will save you loots of time and money in game

If the game will be finished some time

[pliant matrix]

you didn't bought ships! they gave them to you thx for your pledge xD

[atomic forum]

And I think when the space start to grow up it won't be so easy to make in game money like now

Tbh right now its a joke

[pliant matrix]

yeah I don't think good trade road will be done in 10 minutes xD

[atomic forum]

Maybe in a day with suport, scouting and so on

Through a various jump points in to the unknown 🤣

[pliant matrix]

not that much but an hour or two yeah. people still have life and it'd be a mess to organize on a full day

I imagine trading and mining like raid and bounties like quest

[atomic forum]

When the game goes live i will be in retirement

That's is what I hope for while now with kids and family I simply don't have a time to play it 😅

[hearty atlas]

btw Theadriel what is the trading site you use called ?

if i may ask

[pliant matrix]

you mean https://sc-trade.tools/ ?

[hearty atlas]

yeah thanks

[pliant matrix]

anytime

[pliant matrix]

economy is so fucked actually xD
when I was supposed to do around 50-60k profit I'll do 15

[crimson mantle]

Most likely because everything is being traded a lot right now: it's a popular time of the year.

[pliant matrix]

ok I just discovered something. sell prices change from a station to another

[thorny copper]

buy and sell prices vary between stations

[pliant matrix]

I finally made 31k

[crimson mantle]

Every station changes both their buy and sell prices depending on how much inventory they have.

https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq 🙂

If you hover over the total prices shown in the website, you'll see the price per unit. You can then compare in-game to see if it's worth it.

[pliant matrix]

since stock are cross server I thought prices were aligned as well

[crimson mantle]

Well, the shops constantly resupply, people constantly buy/sell to them, etc. It makes the prices fluctuate quite a bit.

[pliant matrix]

I see that. If I'd sell at po I'd get 181k. At hurston I made 202k

that's quite a difference

I wish they'd made a panel to check prices over the universe ingame. to plan your trip and react in function of fluctuations

[crimson mantle]

Me too! This way I could possibly hook the website into their API 🙂

[compact copper]

Anyone have a good starter guide I can watch to get into mining? I am new and want to get into it but don't know where to start

[crimson mantle]

• https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/
• https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/

[compact copper]

thanks ill check these out

[mental fulcrum]

How much does a fully loaded ROC pull in these days?

[tacit otter]

220k like always

[mental fulcrum]

Is the Roc stable these days? Not falling through the ground etc?

[tacit otter]

yes

the most common issue I get is a game crash, even 30ks are only like once every several hours

so if youre in a party you can just rejoin if your game crashes

[weary furnace]

why can't you sell roc ore at moon outposts sometimes?

[pliant matrix]

you should be able. I'd an issue like that earlier today. it show the ore but can't sell it. just wait

[lament solstice]

But then don't you have to wait for PO to allow you sell your cargo?

Ah sorry chat wasn't scrolled thought you recently wrote this

[heady dagger]

im not sure if im missing something, but i went to sell my mined ore at PO and it said that i would make 0 profit if i were to sell... is there another step im missing?

[pastel herald]

How does one earn alot of money

40-50 mil trading

Because Laranite seems awfully slow

[fallow wagon]

@heady dagger check out https://gallog.co/commodities/

[crimson mantle]

Or https://sc-trade.tools/commodities 😉

[heady dagger]

yeah i had haul of quantainium, brought it to PO

said it would be 0 profit if i sold it...

[coarse cape]

prob a bug

[tacit otter]

I think you need your eyes checked...

1.4m an hour?? slow??

[crimson mantle]

Well, those prices are if it's well stocked, which Laranite usually is not 🙂

But yes, there's money to be made, usually all the Laranite you can + Titanium to fill.

Also you can't haul Laranite on the way back, but there's a button to find out what's profitable to bring back. Hopefully it's useful!

[tacit otter]

in the past couple days it was well stocked

[pastel herald]

Woah what

@tacit otter thats crazy, I was using the other sc trading website

I've been moving laranite from arcorp mining area 56 to new Babbage for ages

[cunning patio]

wait so is laranite fucked ?

[sage forge]

TIL what the Hornet's Stor-All apparently looks like on the inside (Pledge store picture):

[autumn pebble]

I been trading laranite and went from 10k to 1m yesterday by far has been the best trade I've found

most sites data isn't correct the one linked earlier in this chat isn't correct either the prices are buyable for lower than it list and sell for more than it says.

I was buying laranite yesterday for 25.2 or so and selling for 31. something

[pliant matrix]

Prices on store aren't correct because economy is fluacting all the time. I made the opposite yesterday. I'd very little profit because a carrack just before me sold all his laranite which made prices go very low

[spice pendant]

Can I buy E’Tam at SAL-5 on lyria? I

[crimson mantle]

@spice pendant Not at SAL-5, no
https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > ArcCorp > Lyria > Shubin Mining Facility SAL-5

It's only sold at hidden locations: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/E'tam

[spice pendant]

damn

i went there thinking they bought it

[sand sail]

Where do y'all recommend for mining hadanite

[crimson mantle]

in a ROC?
Aberdeen or Arial

You can check the relative quantities here: https://bit.ly/37s0Tdx

[sand sail]

I've been on Arial but it's low key impossible to see anything

[civic barn]

Can you sell or at Everest harbor

[pliant matrix]

some things yes. some no

[civic barn]

Can you sell ore

[pliant matrix]

depend are you talking about ore you mined or bought to trade?

[crimson mantle]

@civic barn Look up what you want to sell on https://sc-trade.tools/commodities

[hollow sedge]

aghhh just here to complain or ask what wizardry you miners employ
I've tried to mine so many times now and have yet to do so successfully

Every issue under the sun, man
And then every single run I do is cut short after like one deposit because the ROC decides it doesn't like to be upright and would rather be clipping through the surface of my chosen moon

This is ofc after dealing with issues like the roc being unretrievable and shit
I respect those with the mental fortitude to actually grind roc mining in this game lol

idk how you do it because this shit frustrates me to no end

[fair fog]

@crimson mantle
https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes
Valkyrie isn't listed while it still has 30 SCU cargo as shown on https://www.erkul.games/

Checking ingame:
https://puu.sh/GT8jK.png
Confirmed. It does accept cargo.

[crimson mantle]

Thanks. I'll update

I get the stats from the infamous ship matrix, so I do have to do some manual work on it 🙂

[azure prawn]

Which type of rock is a good mineable for the ROC?

[pliant matrix]

simple question but even if we all know the game isn't optimized far from it but it may be a problem on your side too. Hardware or internet connection idk.
I've a decent pc I made a year ago with medium budget but I've a shitty internet connection and it works "pretty" fine. I barely have 30k and when things go wrong it's mostly because I made a bad manip or for server lags

[pliant matrix]

go for hadanite as much as possible

[azure prawn]

and where to find? Its gonna be my first ROC mining

[crimson mantle]

@azure prawn There's only 2, and Hadanite is the best. https://sc-trade.tools/mining and https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/ can help.

[hollow sedge]

I've found that it's really variable
My issues are rarely performance, tho, I generally run the game/load stuff in fine
Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever been hit by a 30k while mining, it's always other shit going down lol

[azure prawn]

Yes ik that dont worry, I actually checked the website before asking to here. I thought there was a much more valuable rock that wasnt over there.

[crimson mantle]

If it's in-game, it's on the website 😉

[azure prawn]

I know, Just wanted to be sure 😉

[pliant matrix]

when you talk about the roc returning it's mainly because you probably hit an obstacle while driving. Clipping inside the planet is either graphic issue or sometimes server crashing but it's rare nowadays. what else could go wrong?

only issue I've and make me drop a mining run is if the latencies are too big on the server which make my rock energy bar uncontrollable

[hollow sedge]

It's happened to me mostly while bringing the roc on to and off of my MAX's ramp

besides that, taking 10+ minutes to pick up the loot from a single node because tractor beam and server lag

roc deciding it needs to be claimed (irretrievable from current location) so I need to leave and go to another outpost

Lots of stuff isn't run-ending but is enough to make it a slog or feel like it's not worth it because I'm wasting so much time

[pliant matrix]

is your ramp tip aligned to the ground? if there is a gap it sometimes react as a wall and so your roc fo upside down. also you must enter and out really slow

well yeah those are servers issues. when I see one of those sign I change server immediately because I know something else will go wrong after

10min to pick up the loot is a bit too much tho. never saw that

also remember to lower your mining arm when going out of the ship. it's always up when entering the roc inside the ship

[atomic forum]

I got an excellent idea a will melt down freelancer max, and then CCU C8X Pices with LTI to C2 Hercules

On Carrack i will still have C8X while it comes together

So no reason to keep two of them ☺️

And I will probably melt down second Ursa two

Hmm 🤔

[pliant matrix]

I don't have anything left to melt. I use all the ship I own

I'm just so angry I hesitate to upgrade msr to c2

[atomic forum]

Freelancer Max is useless when I got MSR

[crimson mantle]

IMO, melt all your Ursas, that thing is 70k aUEC: https://starcitizen.tools/Ursa

[atomic forum]

LoL haha I will

[pliant matrix]

and it's useless except for desert races I guess

[crimson mantle]

@fair fog Valkyrie has been added 😄

[fair fog]

@crimson mantle Thanks!
I know it sounds silly, but at least if someone tries it, they have all the answers.

[pliant matrix]

do they make warbond offers on ships they just released? I may have a chance to get a decent C2 price xD

[azure prawn]

Welp, bought myself a ROC, now im in ingame debt. Need to mine rocks to pay them off

[mental ivy]

whats an easy place to land and sell laranite?

[crimson mantle]

@mental ivy I've filtered out the cities and the system suggests Grim HEX: https://bit.ly/3qkhmJe

Still, only 10 SCU per minute

[mental ivy]

hrmm, ok ty

i'll check it out. never done trading before

[pliant matrix]

Laranite isn't really profitable actually. I made more income with titanium and with less investment

[rotund garden]

Just picked up my 600i - but still new to SC - Is there such a thing as passenger carrying (for money)?? or just cargo for now

[crimson mantle]

There is no NPC passenger transportation missions at the moment.

[rotund garden]

Cool thanks for letting me know.

[umbral lodge]

Hi guy im in a pickle , i have a msr that i can apply but was thinking of the corsair or what ship would be best connie
I have a cutty now thats with the msr pending update

[magic belfry]

the only thing near to passenger transport is player becon requests but its not that offten

[pliant matrix]

connie series are kinda bugged now. with an msr you do as much if not more than with any connie

[umbral lodge]

oh ok how about the corsair and how long before thats out

[fair fog]

@pliant matrix btw, I haven't noticed bugs of Connies recently

[pliant matrix]

other than elevator not being able to carry object or vehicles, multiple shields holes and screen who disappear? Those are recurrent bug from connies

[pliant matrix]

no date for corsair yet but should be soon-ish. Talon hercules C2 and ares ares coming first I guess

[fair fog]

Alt+mouse scroll once forward. All screens are fine.
Shield holes. Maybe there, but for PvE they don't matter much.
Elevator perfectly carries ROC. Glitches out once per 20 times if not less than that.

to carry ROC in an aquila you need to drive from behind and leave roc rear wheels close to edge.
Make sure ROC is on right side of platform, arm close to inner side wall
Power off ROC, close door.
When calling for elevator to go up, look at ROC all the time, make sure all 4 wheels are 'in screen'

You can drive from front, but rear wheels must be near rear side of pad. Arm must touch right side of platform. Nearly touch.

[pliant matrix]

then there are bugs xD. Not saying they're huge or they can't make connie fly but they're here. I was just pointing the fact msr is more stable at the moment than connies

[fair fog]

True. Any ramp is more stable than elevator. But elevator sticks to surface better and has 2 entry/exit points

[pliant matrix]

look at all the process you just said just to make roc in the ship. I prefer to find a safe and plain spot for the ramp than doing all that. in the future I totally agree with you but for now it's safer to keep it to an msr than upgrade to connie imo

[fair fog]

And maybe I'm too used to bugs in form of "Once in a while when you activate engines, you explode. If you drink too much beer, you explode. If you don't turn on engines, you explode" sort of bugs from different games

Btw, if you like MSR, try Valkyrie. It consumes less fuel, but will still require refueling.
But not like Aquila with near endless hydrogen tank

[pliant matrix]

also with msr getting his hydrogen sucking solved in few weeks it'll be almost perfect and safe

[fair fog]

True

[pliant matrix]

I love connie series honestly. I'm actually saving ingame to get a phoenix. But they're not optimized yet. they probably want a full rework of it or they'd gave us the taurus already

[tacit otter]

Plus MSR door panels wil be fixed soon so the running through the ship wont be much of a problem

MSR outclasses connie in basically every way but guns, and even then it can wreck a fighter with turret operators

[coarse cape]

When 3.12 hits if it hasn’t alr msr should have more fuel

[pliant matrix]

connie will be upgrade too in maneuverability for the first time since... well more than a year or I missed something.
But yeah connie can snipe some opponent with it's canons but msr is decent enough (they're not meant to fight anyway)

[tacit otter]

3.12 isnt going to be until later this month,
but the issue with MSR isnt the amount of fuel it has, its the rate that it burns it.
Its about a dozen times more expensive to run than a cat
The damn ship literally has 3x the main thrust of a caterpillar, and its fuel costs are like 6-10x higher, despite being a whole entire size class lower and holding 1/5 the cargo of a cat

the carrack has 57% more main thrust than an MSR, yet the MSR burns more fuel than it

[mental ivy]

do i need my ship on the pad in order to see commodities on the trade console to buy?

and is there a work around for trade consoles that dont show commodities? i had it before and then eventually it worked

[tacit otter]

within range of the commodity terminal
doesnt have to be on a pad

[mental ivy]

ok, but it cant be stored on the station?

[tacit otter]

The work around is to wait and refresh the terminal every so often

stored ships can also be filled

[mental ivy]

hrmm, ok thanks. must just be the refresh bug

[tacit otter]

the ships should always show up

[pliant matrix]

is there a way to get back a cargo after a 30k on a moon base?

[tacit otter]

the commodities have been bugged though

[tacit otter]

no

unless the ship is stored somewhere you can retrieve it, its gone

[mental ivy]

i just tried an alternative console and it worked right away 😮

[pliant matrix]

damn it... I pressed the buy button left the room and boom

[tacit otter]

:[

it happens

maybe get into mining instead

[pliant matrix]

trading went so great today... I made 400k and now just lost 600k

[tacit otter]

lol

thats how it goes

[pliant matrix]

seems like it's my internet who fucked up. My browser stopped reacting too for like 2-3 seconds

[lilac stirrup]

Does anybody know where to buy Land estates? Or did they stop selling them?

[pliant matrix]

🤔 I didn't even know they were doing that xD

[white cairn]

lol they didnt even really sell them I don't think

[atomic forum]

They did some kind of claim beacons

But it's been few years now

[pearl charm]

how much can you make per hour solo credits?

trying to get a friend to get the game to play as well lol

[tacit otter]

they sold land claim beacons when the pioneer was concepted

[umbral lodge]

holy thats mad cash

[steep jolt]

Can anyone comment on workarounds to selling WiDoW? I've learned the hard way that you can only sell 2SCU per day it seems at GH.

[maiden hound]

Doing regular PVE bounties, probably around 60k per hour optimistically
Trading depends on how much you invest (it's a lot more than 60k per hour)
Mining , you can easily make 60k per hour - and depending on how good you are at it and efficiency then quite a bit more probably
Deliveries ... can't comment, I assume way less than the above

[maiden hound]

^ for you

[coarse cape]

with roc mining you can make like 220k if you're going straight for hadanite

[tacit otter]

upwards 200k per hour

dont suggest filling it to 100%

30ks and crashes happen

I sell around 50%

[fallow wagon]

if you do trading don't use more than 30% of your current credits otherwise you may lose close to if not everything from a 30k or glitch like falling through planet or out of ship during QT

especially during freefly heh

[tacit otter]

30-50%, depends on how much you want to risk

but definitely not more than 50%

[crimson mantle]

@steep jolt I'm sorry, but there's no workaround :'(
It's 0.1 SCU/min, if not one else is selling. 6 max. https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/WiDoW

[coarse cape]

You really don’t loose much tho. Only ur time really

Lose*

[fallow wagon]

[atomic forum]

@steep jolt try server jumping, or different regions server like EU, USA, Etc. This Was working for me in 3.9 patch

[steep jolt]

Anyone know how to sell Hadanite if you remove it from the ROC as a commodity box?

[azure prawn]

I dont think you can sell it as a box

I dont think

[steep jolt]

Copy.

[azure prawn]

Shall I summon the SC trade tools?

for your question @steep jolt

[steep jolt]

What are SC trade tools?

[azure prawn]

The guy/girl who made the SC Trade Tools website

[steep jolt]

Ah ...

No it's good, I just 30k'd, so it's likely all gone anyway.

[azure prawn]

Welp F

[steep jolt]

I hear that.

[pliant matrix]

I agree with the 30% for cargo. I also add it's better to have a safety bag of 500k-1mil just in case before starting to trade big amount. Yesterday I lost 600k on my 1.5 mil. That's a big loss

Also about bounty hunting you can do way more than 60k an hour. I'm more around 80-100k with sometimes sc4 missions and some ecn

[amber oak]

looking for group to play with

[azure prawn]

go to #looking-for-session

[pastel herald]

There’s rarely any good trades anymore

Too many players and not enough supply

[lone dove]

I use Kamilles Trade route finder, but you have to take in to account that you cant buy a full Caterpillar hull of stuff, to unload at the next station. For junk for instance, there is a couple of unmarked junkyards to offload a big heap. And PO usually loves gas. My goto route to fill up a little cash is Junk from Cru-l5, then sell what i can to Levski, and then buy gas and go to PO and sell the rest.

repeat

then when i have more money I do more jumping, and trading gems, hospital supplies, from place to place. Trading will probably improve when datarunning goes up.

[crimson mantle]

https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes takes into account maximum stock ;)
But @pastel herald is right: the production is static right now, so when there's more people playing (IAE, free flight, holidays), it's not enough for the good routes.

[pliant matrix]

bye bye free traders. can't wait to see decent market price being back

[rotund marten]

Is there a wipe coming for 3.12?

[fallow wagon]

[hollow sedge]

what are yalls go to trading ship?

[ionic fiber]

is it worth buying a prospector with helix head?. or is it more worth mining with a roc?

yeah, but do u earn more with the roc or the prospector? ,

i know that u earn 220k with the roc, but do u ern more with prospector? since its "bigger rocks"

earn *

[paper forge]

When you try to come back full of laranite...

https://gyazo.com/28aa937dd414848c5982a4b29058723e

can some1 explain me what happened?

[ionic fiber]

maybe u hit something in quantum? , or instable stones? x)

[paper forge]

i dont see anything blinking on my right

also nothing around while i jumped out

[pliant matrix]

why is my roc telling me "too hot"? am I pushing the head too much?

[thorny copper]

I just trade scrap during freefly

you can do it so fast you get decent profit per hour

I had that ship crashing into planet issue all the time about a month ago, like almost every jump to a planet/moon

[coarse cape]

really depends. its just easier to roc mine since you dont need to worry about inert materials and you're only looking for one type of rock

[thorny copper]

only thing that worked for me was reinstalling the whole damn thing

Best part about prospector is that its not a bugged out broken pos like the ROC is so its actually bearable to use it

You might earn a bit less a lot of the time but you'll keep your sanity for longer

[coarse cape]

actually

roc isnt as buggy anymore

[cerulean parcel]

Anybody know if you can fit more than one ROC into the MSR?

[coarse cape]

you can fit like 4

but some ppl might have to stay in the cargo bay

or use the vents if they can

@cerulean parcel ^

[pliant matrix]

look by yourself 😉

[crisp prism]

If you press one to the left, you can fit one more

[pliant matrix]

push a bit and three can make it

[coarse cape]

if you make one of them ride the wall a little its easier to fit

[pliant matrix]

also yeah roc isn't bugged that much. I mean except servers related issue it works pretty fine

[coarse cape]

yeah

[pliant matrix]

just made a 142k run (70% full) plus a little 21k from titanium trading on my way back to everus with msr

in somethin like 1h15 all inculde (travel from everus to arial, mining, selling, buying cargo then back to everus)

msr end with 21% hydrogen fuel too (I'm not an eco friendly pilot xD). so even now msr is pretty viable

[still valley]

Can you sell ore at Everus harbor? No refinery terminal at admin office

[green sundial]

you can sell gems

[pliant matrix]

No I sold on Arial and bought titanium at the same place then I sold it at everus.

[green sundial]

ore has to be sold at lorville in the admin office there

[pliant matrix]

Well I prefer to sell on moons bases. Closer and safer imo

And it allow me to do one small cargo run as a bonus. 20k profit in like 3-4 minutes

[coarse cape]

daymar is also pretty good

for roc

[pliant matrix]

Yeah but I stay around hurston so I can easily switch from mining to bounting

[grizzled field]

no idea where to ask this but did they remove consoles in tressler or something? i cant find admins console for cargo

[crimson mantle]

The trading consoles are still there in Tressler.

[uncut badger]

first in game ship purchase now I can risk even more in to 30ks

[azure loom]

is it Argo Mole worth it?

[gritty hound]

is there better ways to mine other than caves

[odd mason]

The Argo Mole is worth it if you have a couple people to fly with who'll agree to profit share, AND you're efficient getting from rock to rock.

[odd mason]

Try to get a ROC in-game ASAP. It can do slightly bigger rocks (not full-sized, but slightly larger than hand-mining) that are worth a lot more on the surface of planets. Pays for its in-game cost within an hour.

[mental ivy]

is distilled spirits illegal? i bought from a farm and tried to sell at Port Olister and it was at a 50% loss. Managed to get to grim hex to sell but I didnt know booze was illegal in the verse. also trade routes showed PO as a sale point for profit

[last flame]

You've got the potential but it depends a bit on luck. A good haul of Quantanium without being overly careful will net you about 140-200k aUEC, but comes with all the risk inherent with mining Quantanium. How often you're able to do that depends on how long it takes to find a Quantanium rock worth mining

[tight sedge]

Been out of the loop for a bit, how is trading in latest patch?

[visual karma]

^ I'm curious too seems like titanium from bezdek to lorville isn't that profitable really anymore. anyone know what a good commodity is for the cat now adays?

[last flame]

Trading still works right now, but you can't rely on old routes that everyone has been running because the background sim updates to make it less profitable over time

Supply and demand, etc, all that

so you need to do some research and looking for alternative routes

(also 30ks are always a risk)

[pliant matrix]

Titanium still works well. Better than laranite imo. I made a 100k profit for 400k invest yesterday. It makes a 500k/hour ratio if there is no issue like 30k

Also on last week iae event made big route not interesting but with all temporary traders off it might be good again

[pale crane]

What ships can you put a ROC inside ?

[mental ivy]

someone bought all the metals and even stripped the HAB. Damn traders

[quartz laurel]

@pale crane , you can use a nomad and park the roc on the back.

That would be the cheapest ship that can move the ROC around.

Next after that would be the cutty black

@last flame , how does 30k still affect cargo disappearing when we can leave pico's in the ship and they wont disappear thanks to persistence?

[last flame]

When a 30k happens, you end up spawning back at where you last docked and have to file a claim on your ship.

That doesn't include the cargo.

[quartz laurel]

Ok so it's the unknown location of the ship that is the issue not the fact that cargo is still on the ship.

[last flame]

correct. The hope in the future with iCache is if a 30k happens, your position is saved before the server crashes and you'll reappear in your ship in space, instead of respawning

which will help the cargo issue

[quartz laurel]

Why is it that sometimes after 30k's I relog and i'm back in the ship.

we don't have icache now, so what's the difference?

[last flame]

It's a long and technical answer as to the difference, but it powers a great deal of stuff in the backend. We do not have iCache yet, but they hope to have it implemented mid of next year

If you're reappearing back in your ship after a 30k, then the disconnect was on your side, and not a server issue

if the server goes down and you disconnect with a 30k, then you spawn back at your last respawn point

[quartz laurel]

It randomly would "save" your position in the ship, so if a 30k does happen you spawn back in the ship. Could something simply be implemented to save the location if you log off inside the ship? Or a simple lay in bed which will trigger a save? If a 30k happens at least your last save was on the bed.

[tacit otter]

I think theyve implemented some small saving graces that just dont quite work in the past few months

like my client crashed while I was piloting a cat, and upon returning I did spawn at my last station, but it said that it did that because my bed was unavailable

[last flame]

respawns only happen at medical facilities or some place where you can dock.

[quartz laurel]

I see, so if client side 30k to server then you spawn inside the ship, but if it's the server itself it's back to station, got it.

[last flame]

If you log out in your bed, then your position is saved and you can log back in there, but it doesn't count as a respawn

[quartz laurel]

maybe it should

if your character didn't die that was your last save location

if you die, yes you go back to last respawn location" vs just a log off location.

[last flame]

that's the thing. When the server disconnects, it's like there isn't an update to the database about your position and living status, so it just defaults to a respawn

iCache should prevent that from happening, basically

[quartz laurel]

sounds like an easy fix to this and we don't need icache for it

[last flame]

It's not, or it would have been fixed by now.

[quartz laurel]

why can't the server save your location when you log off on the bed OR even just sit in the bed?

[last flame]

Remember, they're still fleshing out a lot of their server functionality still, as well as long-term gameplay consequences

how things work now in regards to respawning is not how it will work when those features come online

iCache is a huge underlying technology that affects a vast majority of the game, including things such as physicalized inventory, persistence, and countless others

[quartz laurel]

Sure long term, but short term 30k's cargo loss could be fixed by addressing the root cause why ship's loose cargo (well they don't loose cargo, we just force respawned back to station, rather than back to ship bed).

that would resolve the immediate gameplay issue with cargo running and the yikes 30k problem.

[last flame]

Again, if this were an easy fix, it would have been fixed by now. As is, it's better to spend the time attempting to fix that problem instead working on creating the actual intended system

[quartz laurel]

But yes, icache is much bigger than just spawn location it's persistence for items and various other tracking.

[quasi forge]

I'd be happy if they at least turned off claim wait times and fees until they can get 30k under control and icache online. It's pointless to have those restrictions in the game at this point.

[quartz laurel]

claim times are very low at present anyway, and the cost to expedite is 1 CS mission

PVE bounty

[quasi forge]

Even an expedited wait time of 3 minutes is too much imo. It's just a slap in the face when the server is constantly dropping you and you just want to get back into yoru ship

If the server was stable then sure

[quartz laurel]

the logical issue and root cause is the fact that server isn't storing your last log off or last set in bed. Instead it just stores the last dock / station respawn. We would simply need another parameter to save the log off bed / sit on bed location. Which would clear if your character died.

Additionally even if the ship you were last in had an active marker you could simply jump into another ship and recover the ship with cargo.

these all sound like very simple solutions to me

[quasi forge]

I'm not talking about how it should be, or will be. I'm talking about how it is now and something they could possibly do now that might be easier and reduce frustration

[quartz laurel]

?

[quasi forge]

but nothing is ever as simple of a solution as it seems

[quartz laurel]

what does that have to do with what i'm talking about 😄

[quasi forge]

it doesn't directly

I know what you want and I agree

I'm just saying until that day comes, there's some things they could possibly do to cut down on some of the frustrations it causes.

It's fresh in my mind because I hit like 3 30ks within like 30 minutes yesterday

[quartz laurel]

is it an actual 30k message or just a straight crash?

[quasi forge]

Log in, get to my ship, take off, about to qt and 30k. Back to hab, rinse repeate. Each time having to wait an additional 3 minutes and pay some creds for my trouble

[tacit otter]

the game saves your log off bed

if you bed log itll spawn the ship where you were when you logged

[quasi forge]

30k

and it didn't

[tacit otter]

thats not a bed log

thats a server connection loss

[quasi forge]

I didn't use the bed

[tacit otter]

Im talking to =C=

[quasi forge]

oh sorry

[tacit otter]

he said the game doesnt store bed locations

which is false

[quasi forge]

right it does, but I've had issues with that feature as well

[tacit otter]

all of that will be fixed with iCache

theres a reason theyve been taking so long to develop it

[quasi forge]

I've almost narrowed down a repeatable bug, but not sure if it fully is. I've logged out of my cutty w/roc, log back in land on planet, get in roc, power up, then ship/roc disappear leaving me stranded on planet. Back to hab.

[coarse cape]

yeah that happens when you bed log

[quartz laurel]

you're nit picking without looking at the whole statement Vanity. Bed log location should be saved, which means if a server has a 30k a few minutes after or 10 hours after. The last bed log off saved location is on the ship. If your character dies you will respawn at the last docked station.

This above doesn't work as the log off bed doesn't save last location.

The part you're nit picking specifically is... If you log off in bed and log back on you will log back into the bed. But that's not what i'm talking about when server crashes. You don't log off in bed, you're forced at the secondary location as if your character was treated as a death.

a death to the character should be the only reason why you would respawn back at the last docked station bed. Rather than the last active log off OR sit in bed location inside a ship.

This is the key component missing.

[quasi forge]

Fact is the PU is just not even in the same galaxy as being where it needs to be to actually be considered persistent.

Maybe closer than that, but with all the bugs and server issues, it feels farther

[tacit otter]

I always fly fully out of atmosphere before bed logging

never fails me

[tacit otter]

if you disconnect from a server without logging out of your bed it does the same thing as a 30k.
the cause? bed logs save the ship state when you log, including contents, location, ammunition, fuel, etc
otherwise, your ship is despawned and you are put in your last spawn location on log in

[quasi forge]

Fails you in which way? What I described, or just being able to log back into your ship?

[tacit otter]

It works fully as intended when I log in complete space

ROC(s) in same location on ship

can fly down to location and mine without fail

[quartz laurel]

nice one, ignore the facts presented and fall back on a feature that's not fleshed out...

im out

[quasi forge]

But what explains why the ship and roc just disappears when landing on moon and powering up the roc from inside the ship?

[tacit otter]

I explained why it works the way it does.

[tacit otter]

cant tell you, Ive seen it happen without a bed log

[quasi forge]

Because I know it has happened when bed logging out of atmosphere

[tacit otter]

friend was parking roc into carrack on the same server he spawned them, both poofed and he fell to the surface

[quasi forge]

right, i wasn't saying(or sure) that it was due to bed logging

[tacit otter]

hasnt happened to me

[quasi forge]

it just happened every time after logging back in from bed logging for me

incomplete data/observation on my part though

[tacit otter]

I would just suggest flying completely out of the atmosphere (until the altimeter stops updating) before logging out

[bleak quartz]

Did they nerf profit rates for laranite....

[tacit otter]

no, prices fluctuate and supply/demand changes

[bleak quartz]

Not by much

[quasi forge]

Usually I would travel to an orbit marker

[tacit otter]

the reason laranite is so profitable is because it costs so much

[bleak quartz]

Seems like I made no profit this trade

[tacit otter]

make sure to cross reference both gallog.co and sctradetools

[bleak quartz]

Those are not up to date day by day usually

[tacit otter]

thats why I check both

[crimson mantle]

Have you guys ever noted the price of a sold-out, or nearly sold-out (you bought all the remaining inventory) of a commodity? That would be helpful to determine the pricing formula.

I could even derive pessimistic and median prices...

[hollow sedge]

any trade runs to recc?

[bleak quartz]

@hollow sedge wat?

[bleak quartz]

the price i see for sold-out items is the same as the in stock price

but i'll check again next time i'm on

[hollow sedge]

was asking if anyone had trade routes to recommend.

not asking for a link to trade tools or anything else either, just wanted player input

[bleak quartz]

How much scu are you running?

[foggy tulip]

Trade panel at CRU-5 not working , anyone knows where u can sell SLAM ?

[mental ivy]

best moon for quant?

running prospector with Helix.

[crisp prism]

Daymar, has the highest Quantainium yield

Search for rocks in open areas, like the desert areas without hills/mountains

but be careful. One wrong move and you're leaving with 6k instead of 60k

[coarse cape]

idk about slam but trade consoles sometimes take a while to load depending if players have loaded that area

[crisp prism]

I believe you can only sell SLAM (illegal commodities) at unofficial/disclosed locations like Grim Hex and Reclamation & Disposable Orinth

(Note that Grim Hex is the only marked location for quantum travel at Yela and R&D Orinth is an unmarked location on Hurston that sells per 500 instead of 10 at Grim Hex)

[atomic forum]

LoL that's new when i QT with my cat ship jumps and I stay in space

[fair fog]

@atomic forum if you didn't load that cat yet, selfdestruct it and claim

[mental ivy]

@crisp prism thanks

[atomic forum]

Well it's doing every of my ships 🤣

[fair fog]

@atomic forum try changing server? Ask if others on same server have same issue?

[atomic forum]

Found a ship Wich Is fine or could be server

[crisp prism]

It's server sided. Switch servers

[pale crane]

Thanks I'll try to buy both in game 😁

[azure prawn]

@pale crane ROC is 172k ingame and Nomad will be ingame shops at 3.12(because every new ship comes to the stores the next patch)

[velvet night]

Can the cutlass black carry a ROC?

[azure prawn]

Yes it can

[trim haven]

Can i sell vice in HUR L1?

[pallid temple]

No

[sand heath]

anyone have a couple of tips for mining? Is Aberdeen the best place for ores? Is it best to manually fly down to planet on mining? because it seems like when I jump down to one of the checkpoints lots of ores are mined around the area already
We're flying a Mole atm

[crimson mantle]

Do you prefer to mine Quantanium or not Quantanium?

[sand heath]

Haven't tried quantanium mining yet, but I guess you can't get a full load of quantanium before you go b00m

[crimson mantle]

And you can definitely mine in space only: asteroids are not as closely clustered as ground deposits, but it's much easier to navigate.

[crimson mantle]

So for ground mining, not quant, I get these results: https://bit.ly/3onWvDh

Gneiss on Aberdeen, but also even better: Granite on Ceilin.

Granite on Yela is also good, but a bit rarer.

For space mining (https://bit.ly/33HJBYC), you're better off in the Aaron Halo (around Levski) as there are more valuable asteroids, i.e. you won't have to search as much.

But in general, Aberdeen has a lot more valuables. No nearby space-station refineries though.

[sand heath]

so Ceilin is better then Aberdeen?

[crimson mantle]

If you want to stick to a single type of mineral, sort of yes. But there's more value overall in Aberdeen.

Ceilin can go sell at PO or GH though.

[sand heath]

we basically skip everything below Agricium usually

and we've been jumping from aberdeen to PO to sell

[crisp prism]

The Efficiency (meassured in Profit/Time) is better on Daymar for ship/ROC mining

[crimson mantle]

If your sell point is PO, I would consider Granite deposits on Ceilin.

(My previous filters included Hephastanite, but you can remove it)

[crisp prism]

It is actually possible to gather a full load before the volatile cargo becomes unstable, I've once tried to get 60% of a 32 SCU load (68% of the 60% was Quantanium) before becoming unstable from a failed mining attempt

[sand heath]

We'll try ceilin then for planet mining. What do you recommend for asteroid mining?

[crimson mantle]

Aaron Halo around Levski

But almost all asteroid fields are the same otherwise (if we don't consider Quant)

[sand heath]

ok, we'll try a little at the halo then. We just did an exact 1 hour run from PO->Aberdeen->PO with full cargo and made 108k

[crimson mantle]

There's a bit of Borase in E-Type, and Laranite in M-Types. That's pretty much it.

[sand heath]

but it's our second mining run ever, so we're basically not very experienced

[crimson mantle]

You can sell at Levski itself too 🙂

[crisp prism]

Don't let experience drag you down, only mining heads 😉

[sand heath]

We did bounties to get one Helix 2 head for our ship

so the nose turret of the Mole has a H2 mining head

[crisp prism]

Then that's all you need

[sand heath]

still found rocks we couldn't crack though

[crisp prism]

Maybe put the nose as the Helix, then the sides as Hof

Remember, distance is everything in mining

If the helix can't crack it alone, then move close and try again

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irxSEnXMazxT9JIRHny37b65_0bEJF3VEo2Fug-NUFo/edit#gid=0

[sand heath]

are there any tricks of getting to the Aaron Halo?

It states the distance you need to drop if you travel between hurston/arccorp but we're at crusader

[crisp prism]

Travel to Delemar

[crimson mantle]

That's correct: Delamar (Levski planetoid) is inside the Aaron Halo.

[crisp prism]

Should be 32m km from Crusader

[sand heath]

thanks ❤️

Flew around a few minutes from Delamar while spamming the Scan buttin (right click in tab) but we never found any big squares are we doing it wrong?

[crisp prism]

Do you see the asteroid belt (floating rocks around the moon)?

[sand heath]

Yeah, we were flying around for a long time, a gazillion rocks everywhere. Then we eventually got to some huge asteroid rocks after flying straight ahead for like 10 mins

then we crashed into said rock and died because I've been flying the Vanguard for the past week and miscalculated the time I needed to stop

[crisp prism]

Remember you can use X to spacebreak

[sand heath]

I tried

overloaded, and died

[crisp prism]

You can use your vector trusters to navigate around it or turn the aircraft and use the main thrusters

[crimson mantle]

I personally always aim slightly next to the asteroid I want to get to 🙂

[sand heath]

But are you supposed to get the big blue square in asteroid field aswell?

or do you have to go up to each asteroid and scan it

[crisp prism]

If you can get the blue square it means there's a deposit. If you move closer and make another scan, the square will become smaller to the point of triangulating it's exact position. If you see an orange outline, it means you're close enough to scan it

[crimson mantle]

You can look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BKKud6HIdk
You should see the blue squares just like regular.

You kill your jump midway by shutting down your engines with "i".

[sand heath]

thanks a lot! That's not what I did. I basically jumped from PO to Delamar and turned away from the Planetoid as soon as I landed and started scanning

[crimson mantle]

Yeah, it's a bit fiddly to get to, but it should be entirely pirate-free 😄

[sand heath]

O_o

been flying around here for like 15-20 mins now and everything has quantanium in it xD Think we'll go try ceilin instead 😗

[sand heath]

https://gyazo.com/6c40e4b19add0c48bc6e7b5c1a950bde

Nothing to see here, just a little mining accident

https://gyazo.com/4974118d3f073353af1f9028e81d525c

[crimson mantle]

Looked like a nice patch though!

[sand heath]

Seems like the best rocks fight back

I guess this is how you learn

[crimson mantle]

You can try to buy the consumables that reduce the rock heat/overcharge

[sand heath]

My mining buddy here thought it was a good idea to start at 100% since the primary rock was so hard to crack

xD

[pliant matrix]

xD Mole didn't liked it

[pale crane]

Does someone know if a ROC can fit inside a Cutlass RED ?

[sand heath]

@crimson mantle Would you recommend to bring both optimum and Forel consumables? It seems like the forel one makes it easier to crack?

[pliant matrix]

I met someone with a red along my adventures who told me yes

[pale crane]

Well i just tried with the rented cutlass. It works ! It fits, and you can crawl under it to get to the cockpit

[coarse cape]

Or if you park it back enough then you don’t have to

[crimson mantle]

I'm not an expert miner, more like a data expert 🙂 I like optimum and lifeline for when I mess up.

[sand heath]

Thanks

We're struggling to find good rocks though. Do you just go around looking for cllusters or do you stop at single rocks aswell`?

[crimson mantle]

If you don't have a scout, I'd stop at every good rock.

But you don't have to mine the whole cluster.

[sand heath]

the thing is that we feel like we spend so much time slowing down and holding left click on rocks to see the content. Especially if it's just 1 rock alone (which it is most of the time)

we were thinking maybe it may be more efficient to just fly fast in a straight line and spam scans until we meet a bigger cluster

[crimson mantle]

Let me pull some data for you

[sand heath]

you sound like hackerman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MF2s6MLxY

[crimson mantle]

It's nothing fancy really.
OK, so here it goes, for granite deposits on Ceilin:

• 1 chance of 2-15 rocks
• 5 chances of 2-9
• 10 chances of 2-3

[sand heath]

whaat?! You can find 15 rocks in a single chunk?!

We've always found 1 alone, then maybe 3 max 5 O_o

[crisp prism]

I found a cluster of 8 once

All diamonds and Beryl, so nothing big

[crimson mantle]

Clusters of 15 happen 0.44% of the time... not very often

[sand heath]

but it also says that Granite should be on Ceilin? Lots of the stuff we find is Obsidian?

does it depend on where you are on the planet?

[crisp prism]

Yes

You find a lot of the useless stuff around hills and mountains and the good stuff around the flat parts

[crimson mantle]

Well, technically speaking, distribution seems to be uniform regardless of terrain. But yes, there will be more non-granite deposits than granite deposits. Pretty much all non-granite is not worth it though.

Whilst Ceilin has the most Granite deposits, it still doesn't have a whole lot.

[sand heath]

any way to immediately see if it's granite without slowing down to Left click scan?

[crimson mantle]

Quantanium has a different texture, but I think you still need to be close to see it. Not sure about the other ones.

That's why some people use scouts in more nimble ships.
Some other people might have better tips.

[civic barn]

Any good spots around hurston for prospector.minint

[crimson mantle]

You can compare your options here: https://bit.ly/2VBBnNg

[civic barn]

Which one do I do for mining

[crimson mantle]

Aberdeen has almost twice the value index of the others: it's clearly the best place around Hurston 🙂

[civic barn]

Nice thanks

Is lorville the only place close to sell it

[crimson mantle]

Expand the breakdown section to see which minerals to look for in which deposits.

Correct: Loreville is the only place in that planetary system.

[sand heath]

I see that Cargo running is kinda one-sided in this game atm. The tool shows good profits one way but miniscule if you try to make a roundtrip

Better to just go empty back and get another load

[crimson mantle]

Correct: I did a lot of work just to see that there was nothing worth bringing back xD

[lilac hedge]

at this current moment in time, how does cargo work in SC?

Do you load it and unload it at a station through an interface, and it stays there, or can it be manipulate in any way beyond that?

[crisp prism]

If you load it on a ship, it stays on that ship until you lose the ship or sell the cargo

[lilac hedge]

And if the ship is destroyed, i assume it just poofs?

[crisp prism]

As said, if you lose the ship, you lose the cargo

[lilac hedge]

Interested to see how the tractor beam will change that dynamic

[pallid temple]

The thing is with blowing up a ship with cargo in it, some of the cargo does spawn, but it despawns like 2 seconds later

[lilac hedge]

interesting

[velvet fractal]

hehe boiii

all hadanite

[civic barn]

Why is it saying my ore is illegal cargo

I'm so dumb I was using the wrong terminal

[atomic forum]

I have really nice spot full of hadanite and my roc stops working 🤣

Can't start the mining beam so I had to abort mission

Is there some wallk around when this happend?

[pliant matrix]

I broke the mining head once. dunno why or how but it never worked again. had to return to a station and claim another one (after selling what I already took)

[atomic forum]

Could be my case well for next time a will load two Roc's

[pliant matrix]

did you roc said "too hot" for a while before it happened?

[atomic forum]

Don't know

[pliant matrix]

I think at some point the mining head overheat or something. it happened to me when I was chaining hadanite rocks on a nod like the one on the pics above

[atomic forum]

But still mining is boring

[pliant matrix]

I searched for a heat pike on roc screen but saw nothing

nha it's fun but once a day. I don't advise to make it a main activities

[atomic forum]

Trading is still better more risky but more enjoyable

[pliant matrix]

like trading. it's just turning around landing here and there endlessly

the more I made was three run between arial and lorville. then got 30k that made it all worthless so I stopped

[atomic forum]

But it's adrenaline 🤣

I was often to greedy and bad things happend every time

[pliant matrix]

yeah for sure. when half your bank account is in your cat and dunno why while landing server froze I did got an adrenaline rush xD

[atomic forum]

Like today load the cat then start QT, the ship have jumpt but pilot stayed at the planet 😂

I was looking at it and just what the hell 😂

[pliant matrix]

I'd that with cat but fortunatly I was empty

was that around PO? I heard some bug happened when landing or qt from po

[atomic forum]

Yaah it was at PO

[pliant matrix]

same for me. was going to ceiling then out of cat. it stopped like 20k away from me

[atomic forum]

🤣

I got only some medical supplies and agriculture supplies on board to not a big deal

[pliant matrix]

good xD When I got my 30k I'd 360k worth of laranite and 300 from titanium. It went down like 10 seconds after I finished packing xD

[atomic forum]

That happens to me lots of time

Mostly on 3.9. patch it was crazy

But now its better, some time trading station does not work

[pliant matrix]

yeah but it comes after some minutes

[sand heath]

Just a question about selling cargo. I tried to sell Altruciatoxin at grim hex after visiting the JumpTown station. bought like 30ich? units from the jumptown but now I'm left with 4 in my cargo after trying to sell. and trying to sell more doesn't work?

do they only accept limited supply?

[pliant matrix]

there is a refresh timer. you can't sell everything of anything in one shot

it's even shorter with vices

you just wait a bit and refresh the terminal

[crisp prism]

What you're looking at is what we call "refresh rate". A select terminal/station has a different refresh rate depending on the commodity. Grim Hex only allow a limited amount per minute. So sell, wait and sell.

[sand heath]

ahh, I just sold. relogged and sold the rest there

so it's not very viable to trade vices?

[pallid temple]

No

[sand heath]

hmm

[west bison]

wheres the best place to mine with the prospecter?

[crisp prism]

Depends on your mining head

[west bison]

i have a Hofstede-S1

[crisp prism]

Then the big boy rocks aren't something for you. If you want the highest yield per time invested, you can explore the Aaron Belt or if you want a view, Daymar is pretty good too

There you will find more Agricium than you'll ever need. Mine as much as that as possible and upgrade to Helix

[west bison]

alr ill check it out thanks

[atomic forum]

Have the CiG plan to make some sort of material filter on Prospecto or Argo Mole ??

[sand heath]

Tried one of the top routes at the trade site that wasn't yellow outlined so that I didn't have to wait. Brought back to Olisar some minerals from a mining station and I've waited for 3 resets and I've only managed to sell for like 8k uec xD

[steep jolt]

Is there no means to know if a trading location even has any goods for sale?

[steep jolt]

Im flying around hitting these routes and there is nothin’ ta’ buyeee.

[tepid hawk]

Is Astatine the best right now? Followed by titanium and diamond?

Newish to hauling right now

[crimson mantle]

Unfortunately, there is no way to tell but going there in-game at the moment 😢

[crimson mantle]

That's right. Astatine may be out of stock sometimes though, but in non-catepillar it should be ok.

[mortal kettle]

I have an aurora mr. Should I do delivery missions or try hand mining to get enough to rent something else?

[ashen oyster]

I did 2 delivery missions to get 16K then bought the hand mining tool and attachment for it. i also bought the pembroke armour. I accepted an investigation mission and that led me to a cave so i could hand mine.

the pembroke armour gives you alot of carry weight and it protects you from heat. (novikov armour for low temps)

filled half my inventory and made 30K

[mortal kettle]

cool. i have the mining tool and the rucksack, i'll save up for pembroke and novikov

[mental ivy]

ok, im at a point now where i can make 80k in about 30 min with prospector, or 80 k in 10 min with hauling (but i risk 350k doing it) just sucks that Quant/bex are the only minerals worth mining at the moment

[mortal kettle]

can i mine on daymar without pembroke or novikov?

[mental ivy]

daymar is cold isnt it?

[mortal kettle]

i don't know

[mental ivy]

im trying to remember

yela is cold for sure

daymar might be ok

[ashen oyster]

iv only mined on hurston

so cant be of any help

[mental ivy]

i've been mining on daymar last couple hours but in prospector only

[fair fog]

Daymar is hot

[mortal kettle]

daymar Day
120 – 150 °C
Night
30 – 60 °C

[fair fog]

you need to worry about temperature ONLY for Hand mining and ROC mining

[chrome beacon]

Do buy terminals for drugs have a min amount or something? This thing will just not buy the last bit of my drugs and it should have refreshed by now

[atomic forum]

Where is good place to mine with Prospector/Mole ? With Helix head

[tacit otter]

@atomic forum https://sc-trade.tools/mining

[atomic forum]

Ok so Hurston is the best can you sall ore on Everus Harbor ?

Or some mining canter on the planet? Or you need to take a ride to Lorvile ?

Iam kinda new to mining

[crisp prism]

Yes, Grim Hex and Port Olisar are the only two space stations that have working refineries

[atomic forum]

Ah ok but those two station on Arial take ores to right ?

ROC mining and Prospector mining is allmoust the same in terms of profit right ??

I have tried to ROC mine and it's really painfull 🤣

Land the ship right, get out, to vehicle, mine and that process all over agein it's nightmare

[crisp prism]

Meh and meh. Looking at profit over time invested (Profit/Time) Prospector mining on Cellin/Daymar is more efficient and Daymar might have a higher chance of finding Hadanite with the ROC

In 10-15 minutes on Daymar I found 68k for a 32 SCU load

[tacit otter]

Aberdeen has the highest amount of Hadanite compared to any other body

For ROC mining aberdeen/arial are the best, but for the prospector or mole youd be better doing it near crusader

I dont know how the yela belt compares to the moons around crusader, because its not listed on any sites

[crisp prism]

Because it's pretty much non-existing or otherwise doesn't contain valuables

[pulsar maple]

Where do you find the Novikov armour?

[pale crane]

Port tressler or everus

[pulsar maple]

Also how does trading work?...
Just bought 200k worth of cargo, went to the place to sell it, and it only let me sell $1,700 worth :/

Was only set to make 20k - But If I have to wait around for hours for it to refill - Then is trading really worth it?

[pale crane]

You can use SCtrading tools (a website) to see what you can sell and where, and also check on the refresh rate to avoid such outcome. i feel you man i had the same 2 days ago 😦

Don't trust the prices on the site tho ! The market fluctuates with each sell and buy so it is rarely accurate

[pliant matrix]

it depends of the demand for the product. you can't sell it all in one shot if nobody's here to buy

some items have bigger demand and refresh rate than others

[uneven star]

So... I go into the trade console, find my ship, load up 1.5M aUEC in cargo, come out and my ship is not on the pad. I can see it and interact with it on the trade console, but the ship is not there. Anyway to fix this?

[pulsar maple]

Pull it out of storage 🙂

[uneven star]

That would be great, and I'd love to do that, but I can't retrieve the ship. I'm at a mining station.

Believe me, it baffles me that they can "store" my ship but can't retrieve my ship.

But wasn't even in the station long enough to trigger ship storage.

[pulsar maple]

Yer - That sucks...

[crisp prism]

You sir just lost 1,5m

[crisp prism]

Pro tip, NEVER land on the pads or request landing

[uneven star]

Yea lesson learned. never play the game the way it's supposed to be played. I think I'm done with this 'till they can figure out how to save state and return my ship like every other game.

[pliant matrix]

expecting SC to be a game like every other one is the first mistake imo.
Also you can wait till beta or maybe release then I don't think this is their priority for now

better play by the rule the game set for now

[crisp prism]

When you play an Alpha, don't expect things to work. The easiest approach is to stick to what you know and be skeptical of the rest

[pale crane]

I would correct by saying venture into the unknown when it doesn't cost you aUEC

[pulsar maple]

Like 200k aUEC....

I've managed to sell 10% so far... But geez...

[pliant matrix]

trading is a gambling it's a well known issue. So loss must be expected

[pulsar maple]

Yer but ooof....

Why has my medical supplies changed to fucking illegal 😮

Is that a bug?

[uneven star]

It's a bug, but, you know, it's an alpha.... GIB MOAR SHIPSES

seriously though, usually leaving the console for a minute or so then going back fixes that issue... at least it has for me in the past.

[compact copper]

yeah the same thing happened to me, just walk around for a bit or try another trading console

[pulsar maple]

Yer, It's alternating, and also not letting me sell on each tick over... seem to have to wait longer and longer, but then lets me sell higher quantities...

[lilac hedge]

i don't know why, but for me, i'm convinced the tractor beam is going to be what paves the way for everything this game wants to be.

At present, there's no containers in the game right? As in, things you can directly put items in and pull out of outside of commodities?

[pallid temple]

No

[lilac hedge]

cool, thanks

[crisp prism]

Alpha: "more toys please"
Beta: "fix this broken stuff"
Live: "this is so broken"

[lilac hedge]

That's why i'm not touching SC (other than star marine for practice) until launch

and i consider "launch" to be no more wipes

[lucid gorge]

Good evening folks!

Havent played Star Citizen for probably 2y at least, and i have a Caterpillar.
Would it make sense to buy a ROC right now, to take that with the Cat to planets, and mine there?
I mean, is the gameplay there yet?

[lilac hedge]

There is mining gameplay, yes, not sure if the roc fits in the caterpillar

[lucid gorge]

also thinking about how i get the ROC in and out... dont know if the front ramp can help me

[lilac hedge]

it's pretty tall

[lucid gorge]

🤔

yeah, but the only real ramp is on the front, isnt it?

have to look up if the ROC would fit there.

[pallid temple]

The Caterpillar doesn't have a ramp

[lilac hedge]

Yeah, i'm watching a video right now

[lucid gorge]

doenst it on the front?

[pallid temple]

No

[lucid gorge]

f

[pallid temple]

A ramp goes down to the ground, that front door does not

[lilac hedge]

https://youtu.be/AwzdvbvB0uQ?t=328

at that timestamp

[lucid gorge]

yeah, i believed it would got down to the floor

[lilac hedge]

That seems like a huge oversight

But apparently that's intended?

[pallid temple]

Intended in the future yes

[lucid gorge]

i just watched the video, and while i also have a cutlass, i think i try my luck with the roc, the cat and tilting the cat :-)

[lilac hedge]

no i mean the fact that there's no ramps for the caterpillar is the intended feature

apparently they talked about it on ship shape or something, and it's main loading method is elevators

idk, reading a reddit thread so take it with a grain of salt

And it's supposed to have side mounted tractor beams for each bay so i think that's why it's designed the way it is

[lucid gorge]

looked it up, the cat will get elevators

but:

ill definitely try this. xD

[lilac hedge]

interesting

if you don't mind scratching the paint 🙂

[lucid gorge]

its a cat

scratched paint is a feature

[lilac hedge]

good point xd

[lilac hedge]

If you have more than 100 units of micro SCU commodity boxes in your cargo hold, will they take up an SCU worth of cargo capacity in your ship?

[pallid temple]

100units fits into 1 SCU

If you have 101units, it'll take up 2 SCU

[hollow sedge]

Aight so I was having issues hand mining yesterday. The battery bar on the left of the power bar in the tool wouldn’t move?

Yes I scroll wheeled to 100%. Nothing else happened

[lilac hedge]

Yeah so let's say i drop 100 units of minerals from my inventory and shove them in my cargo hold, it will take up 1 SCU if i go look at my total ships capacity?

[pallid temple]

Not necessarily

The hand mining crystals you can collect, those aren't classed as a single unit

[lilac hedge]

Hmm, interesting, so theoretically, if i take a ROC, yank out all of the crystals and drop them into the cargo hold and fill my ship to the absolute brim with these hand holdable boxes, it won't technically take up any SCU space?

[pallid temple]

No, it will take up cargo capacity

[lilac hedge]

Okay so those boxes are put into the total calculation then, gotcha

[lucid gorge]

@lilac hedge whats the ingame price of the roc?

[lilac hedge]

So what happens if i put a box (or a few boxes) on the cargo grid and then try to fill the grid with regular SCU?

[lucid gorge]

(you bought it ingame didnt you?)

[lilac hedge]

No, i don't actually play, i'm just fishing for info out of curiousity.

[pallid temple]

@lucid gorge The ROC is 172k

[lucid gorge]

thank you \o/

thats... 120k more than i have

[pallid temple]

@hollow sedge What are you trying to mine?

[hollow sedge]

Hadanite. I turn the power to 100 and the bar on the left doesn’t move at all.

[pallid temple]

What's the mass of the rock?

[hollow sedge]

I didn’t seem to check. I saw the outline around it so it should have been minable.

And the scan came up as hand minable as well

[pallid temple]

Check the mass of the rock

[hollow sedge]

The battery symbol stayed empty no matter what I did which was weird

Can it not be above a certain number?

[pallid temple]

The battery symbol doesn't mean anything

If the mass of the rock is 0.85, you can't mine it with the multitool

[lucid gorge]

0.85 + is too much for the roc?

[pallid temple]

We're not even talking about the ROC

[lucid gorge]

also, i just bought one with store credits. \o/

[pallid temple]

We're talking about the greycat multitool

[lucid gorge]

oh... i... i will watch a video about mining next

[hollow sedge]

Thanks mang

[lucid gorge]

so, if im understanding that right, there are mineables, and handtool-mineables.
And what the ROC basically can mine is the same you would mine if youre on bare foot

and also, you cant put the cargo out of the roc into your ship. That means every time the ROC is filled up, you fly it back to the base (if its further away then 8km), and sell the cargo

[coarse cape]

Eh

So basically

You fly around scanning

Looking for hadanite

With the diamond symbol thing

Then scan it

[pallid temple]

@lucid gorge You can transfer the cargo from the ROC to the ship

[coarse cape]

If it had a .85 mass the mine it

Once ur roc fills then press store commodities

And it puts it in a box in your ship

[pallid temple]

You do know how to make a new line in a message right?

So you don't have to message spam

[coarse cape]

Yeah mb

[lucid gorge]

@pallid temple ugh, thanks! have to try the "store commodities" thing... that would be awesome to fill up a cat 😬

[pallid temple]

Yeah you're not gonna fill up a Cat quickly

The cargo capacity of the ROC is 0.8SCU

[lucid gorge]

the roc has 1 SCU?

oh, even less

ok

im looking very much forward to try that out :-)

[pallid temple]

Just use a Cutlass, don't try and mess about when there's a way that actually works

[coarse cape]

Msr is also decent for a roc you just can’t do long trips

Well like longer than a few hours for mining

[south lantern]

Should I rent a prospector? Have 57k rn

[pallid temple]

No

[odd flint]

Any known workaround for the outposts offering no commodities to sell?

It seems pretty random right now, but frustrating.

[crimson mantle]

Allegedly you just have to wait for a few minutes there. I haven't had much luck myself though.

[odd flint]

One time I had them pop up after a little bit, but otherwise I have not had luck with that either.

Sometimes going to a different outpost works, and sometimes not also. Which leads me to believe it's more random than that.

[lone spear]

Why is the ROC so completely broken?

[odd flint]

ROC seems to be the most functional it has ever been. Not that it is perfect.

[lone spear]

Wait it was worse than useless?

It keeps kicking me out every five minutes

And then when I'm not in it I keep getting teleported into it

The mining arm breaks and can't mine anything

And then when I decided to go claim another ROC is teleported me straight from the pilot seat of the Carrack back 20km to the ROC, meaning I lost my ship and all the hadanite I'd mined

[odd flint]

sounds like you are having big time desync.... not really ROC related.

[lucid gorge]

sounds like a heavy case of rubberbanding

[lone spear]

Damnit that's arguably even worse XD

[coarse cape]

Yeah that’s on your end

[lucid gorge]

or on the ISP

@lone spear you could try and make a cold reboot of your router. Sometimes that fixes problem like this

cold reboot = pull the plug out of the router/wall outlet, wait for 60s so the router is definitely out of juice, and plug it in again

[pliant matrix]

blockade over Lathan outpost. 25k to come and get 100% laranite xD

[coarse cape]

F

[lilac hedge]

If you put a vehicle in your cargo bay or otherwise obstruct your cargo grid, what happens if you try to load commodities into the hold?

[pallid temple]

The cargo terminal will only let you load so many SCUs that aren't blocked

[foggy tulip]

this was 16k of goods and about 20 unites from 345 . That would be 275 k

if I am not mistaken

or mabey I am

best to do it in a party though

and share the profits

[pale crane]

Yeah the total reward is huge but it takes so much time to get the boxes up...

Even as a team. I tried with a team of four a few months back

[gusty cape]

@foggy tulip u sold it at grim hex?

[pearl charm]

greycat industrial roc will fit in a cutlass black?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[pearl charm]

ty

[hollow sedge]

Is it possible for ROC to stop working? I'm asking because as I filled the cargo on it, there was still some Had gems left on the ground, so I exited it, and stowed them. After I sat back in ROC it just wouldn't move anymore, even though the engine was on. It took place on Arial during the day. Could the high temp have anything to do with it?

[pearl charm]

whats the cheapest good ship package, and mining ship ?

[uneven star]

Entrepreneur pack - $600 contains the prospector and most of all the solo-able industrial ships

err most of the solo-able industrial ships

[lilac hedge]

wait, does the Aurora (other than CL variant) not have cargo capacity?

[uneven star]

I believe that is correct. You might be able to manually put boxes in the cab but it doesn't show "cargo" capacity.

[lilac hedge]

Interesting

Do we know "unit" values of apparel, weapons, and consumables?

Like, how many guns could i fit in a cargo box (whenever we get containers, that is)

One of the non-combat roles i want to serve in my org is focusing heavily on supplying equipment to marines and our ground security forces, and considering i don't intend to buy ships myself, i'm wondering what the most efficent means of supplying both outposts and capital ships with weaponry would be

[tepid hawk]

When does buying good reset for places like port olisar? IE: I sell them a fuel haul of titanium, go back to buy more, return to PO, can only sell a small amount

And is it directly related to all players on the server?

[uneven star]

It is a

It is a 'tick-per-minute' type system. Location has different limits and different ticks. The FAQ section of https://sc-trade.tools/home might help.

[river jasper]

what can you trade with 60k in a cat