industrial-professions

[fair fog]

If you fly low to ground and fully charge scanner, they seem to appear often

also, I noticed sometimes they seem to spawn if you're in area for a while

[north umbra]

yeah you need to be like 1200 ft or so

and use quick scans not long

[fair fog]

quick scans? As in scan spam low charge?

[north umbra]

yup only about 1/

1/4

[fair fog]

Huh. I usually see a deposit with 100% charged scan. But if I look at it and charge scanner to 1/4, it doesn't get re-scanned. Only on full scan it appears

https://puu.sh/GMvRQ.png
Nothing
https://puu.sh/GMvSg.png
Full charge

[north umbra]

well you found something

now get closer to see what it is

[fair fog]

Hadanite. Except I can't pick it up with Prospector 😂

[north umbra]

well you can

[fair fog]

https://puu.sh/GMvUM.png

Only by hand

[north umbra]

yes

[fair fog]

As I said, can't PICK it up. Didn't say "Can't mine"

[north umbra]

haha

You need the rock icon not gem

[fair fog]

200 meters north. Another same deposit. As I said, charging to 1/4 of scanner doesn't highlight. 100% charge highlights

[north umbra]

depends on how much is around and how fast your flying

[fair fog]

Hanging still

want me to record it?

[north umbra]

what you mean hanging?

[fair fog]

VTOL mode on

https://puu.sh/GMvXu.jpg

My words bad. Here picture. Good?

[north umbra]

so when you scan do you know what I mean by a rock?

[fair fog]

We were talking about finding gems for ROC

[north umbra]

but your using a prospector?

[fair fog]

] the_denks: ever since 3.11 went live, i havnt found a single ore deposit while ROC mining
^ This

[north umbra]

oh back to that

haha

[fair fog]

Scanner is scanner. Prospector has scanner, any other ship haz scanner

[north umbra]

yes

[fair fog]

Ok. Need to charge to 100% scanner to find Gems

Charge to 1/4 = no find gems

[north umbra]

no you don't. depends on how low you are and how fast you go

[fair fog]

So if I am less than 200 meters away from gem, charging to 1/4 is enough? If I'm still

Scanning for gems

[north umbra]

if your moving fast 1/4 will work but if your moving slow it needs to be longer

[fair fog]

Okay. Now you said it. All this time you were saying "Depends on speed".
What you meant "More speed is better"

So as result we can say that scanner works better at high speeds and 1/4 charge is enough if speed is high enough.

Correct?

But flying slow requires charging scanner more

[north umbra]

correct

[fair fog]

Then this video highlights how it's absolutely true. I'm not moving and I need to charge scanner to 100% to see a gem.

Thanks!

[north umbra]

Yup or a rock

whichever your hunting for

you can fly higher too when your looking for rocks compared to as when your looking for gems

[fringe summit]

oh wow i didn't know that

thats good to know

[granite perch]

any way around the refinery not letting you sell

sale

[north umbra]

Are you selling from a prosp/mole?

[hollow sedge]

How do I start mining efficiently?

I have about 140k stored up after long hours of bounty hunting, and I don't know where to start with mining

i have an aurora and a freelancer

[stuck lynx]

Are you trying to Prospect mine or ROC mine @hollow sedge

[hollow sedge]

I don't know what either of those are

[stuck lynx]

Prospector is a ship and the ROC is a ground vehicle.

You can ROC mine for 172k. The Prospector cost a little over 2 mil but you can rent it for around 40k. Honestly the most efficient for someone starting off would be to ROC mine. I would look for a guide for ROC mining

@hollow sedge Its fairly easy. Buy a ROC, go to the moon Aberdeen in the Hurtson system, fly to an outpost with a vehicle pad. Spawn the ROC and either use the freelancer to carry it around or drive around and mine.

[hollow sedge]

how much money can you usually get with a ROC?

[swift drift]

55 usd or 175 000 UEC

[hollow sedge]

Do they have currency conversions for UEC?

😂

[swift drift]

😄 UEC its ingame currency 😄

[mortal linden]

@hollow sedge full ROC is ~220K.

[stuck lynx]

you can easily make around 400k an hour ROC mining if you use a ship to carry it around.

[hardy ravine]

Well....

More like hour and a half, or two hours

And it is not easy

[paper forge]

400k/h if you dont encounter bugs or griefers

last 3 runs were ruined by one of these

what is 890j cargo capacity once it will be fixed?

[mortal linden]

At least 2
Source:

https://youtu.be/Mjc9vKd4NfU?t=2760

[paper forge]

@mortal linden Thank you!

[fiery rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/88090800226865152/776041138359894046/c2330d8.png

[north umbra]

Can anyone confirm Nuen is still in 3.11?

[fair fog]

I guess time to ask again

What's a normal profit per day as in, expected number? For mining, for trading
Not asking for 'exact ship', just in general what you think is good

[north umbra]

Well with my Cutty I could net 200k in a good day of cargo

[fair fog]

Thanks!

[north umbra]

but that is selling agricium and laranite

[last flame]

I mean, mining is going to depend on your tools you're opting for. If you're hand mining, you could look at... what, like 20-30k per hour? If you're doing a Prospector that's aggressively going after Quantanium, you're looking at probably 150-200k per hour, and 100-200k per hour for ROC mining, assuming your luck is good and bugs don't get you. So "exact ship" kind of matters for that

[fair fog]

Thanks. That's exactly the answer I was looking for. 100~200k per hour on average

[crimson mantle]

@north umbra Nuen is in 3.11
https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > Crusader > Daymar > Nuen Waste Management

[north umbra]

Yeah I know its there trying to find it lol

[green sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyd3O7DEPOs

this will be a fun challenge. to make a new Guide for refining as I have with Mining

[fair fog]

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/ ?

[north umbra]

oh god

we asked for a step up in refinement.. they sure did

[green sundial]

@fair fog no thats not my Guide

https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/
https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-test-mining-guide-supplement-3-11.18087/ are my Guides

[north umbra]

going to say mining/cargo running will go hand in hand to offset the mining times and that mining is no longer a get rich thing

[green sundial]

possibly

but they may still allow us to sell the raw ores

so you'll have to make a choice

[north umbra]

they will its what they said

you can dump or refine

[green sundial]

too bad we can't store

😦

[north umbra]

but will say 5kg of quant raw be as good as 5kg of quant refined 😄

time will tell

[green sundial]

lol what if refined quant was cheaper than raw

😄

[north umbra]

could you imagine ugh

[green sundial]

it would be hilarious

[north umbra]

Refine dolivine and quant to make it worth more

[green sundial]

nah i think they'll keep the gems as they are

those are good starter materials

they need to be easy come easy sell

[north umbra]

man I do not make a good drug mule

[fair fog]

Saved!

[north umbra]

Guess I need to up my cargo game and get that Prospector soon

[fair fog]

try Roc mining

[north umbra]

not a chance

[fair fog]

why not?

[north umbra]

I have made more money hauling cargo than I did mining

[fair fog]

are you sure you were scanning right?

[north umbra]

bugs/crashes/roll overs/flips/sinks/30ks

etc

[fair fog]

to get to 30k when server crashes it takes more than 2 hours

[north umbra]

It would take at times 15-20 mins for me

[fair fog]

might be your internet connection. This patch is way more stable. I'm currently on my 2nd hour online in same server

[north umbra]

Its not

[fair fog]

Did you always power down your roc when hauling it? Did you always doubletap M to return arm to normal position before unloading?

[north umbra]

Of course

I know the routine

I spent 20 minutes one night with another player trying to upright my roc 😛

until the new patch comes out.. roc stays away

[fair fog]

Was it full of gems?

[north umbra]

nope. I can't get more than 20-25%

One day I was like ok.. 25% full lets sell. load up. 30k

[fair fog]

Weird. I got it to 90% usually within an hour

[north umbra]

1 load of agrcium is about 15k and 1 load of laranite is about 25k

runs are short and fast and adds up. Made 200k in a few hours the other day

[paper forge]

just another regular day with ROC mining

https://gyazo.com/cb7b20067c290e784e78e1f702afb1d7

[fair fog]

You seem to have exceeded safe driving speed limit

[digital thorn]

Just had 5 (FIVE!) asteroids in a row where I scanned, it showed up at 11km out. Next scan it has disappeared and another asteroid in a different spot is 11km out. Scan again, it's gone, another one 11km out. Five times in a row.

Like 1 in 10 asteroids at this point stays on my scanner

25 minutes mining, I've been able to actually scan 5 asteroids, everyone was mostly Corundum. Mining is stupid

[green sundial]

when that happens scan in a wider angle or with less energy to get the closer one to pop up again

[north umbra]

What area?

[digital thorn]

happens to me all the time everywhere

[green sundial]

it used to happen to me until I stopped jumping right into the seat

now I open the door, wait for it to finish animation and then get in

[proven token]

So with the refinerys, once you refine the material are you forced to transport it yourself? Or can you sell it right there

Kinda setting people up to mine a bunch, refine it, gather a lot of resources and then transport it themselves no?

[pallid temple]

You have to transport it to a trading centre to sell it once it has been refined

[proven token]

What a pain in the butt for people who dont have multiple ships

[odd hinge]

i might get back my prospector for 3.12 tbh

[proven token]

I wish the mole was better. Sucks switching seats all the time.

[odd hinge]

yeah

i only mine solo

[proven token]

Could use a few more mining ships with different flavors in my opinion

[odd hinge]

and i do not like to use the mole solo

i hate feeling like a sitting duck

[proven token]

Yea why they made the mole multicrew only in that size makes no sense to me.

[odd hinge]

tbh

it works for multicrew

but in reality, a mining ship that size, would not be efficient to take out solo anywya

even if the pilot could mine

[proven token]

The cargo hold isnt big enough to make organizing 4 people worth it, and the astroids you mine are not good enough or high denisty enough for 3 lazers

[odd hinge]

that is another thing, i feel like you need to use the mole on asteroids

due to it's hydrogen usage in atmos

and being unable to properly land while mining, due to the arms extending lower than the landing gear

[proven token]

Astroid mining at the moment sucks, especially since you cant dump intert

[odd hinge]

Yup

[proven token]

Theres always one guy who cant see the rocks peoperly too

[odd hinge]

do asteroids in the helix belt still despawn when broken?

or however the belt is called

[proven token]

No idea, i stopped trying lol.

[odd hinge]

the belt between ArcCorp and MicroTech atleast

still curious how people found out about that one 🤔

[proven token]

It was nothing but frustration in my experience

Definately need some high denisty or large rocks that the mole can crack but the prospector cant.

Even then, could just take multiple prospectors...

Idk why the mole is the way it is, the pilot is litterally bored 90% of the time

[fair fog]

I mined in Aaron belt or however it's called today. Found quantanium for over 50% cargo in one asteroid. Then spent 1.5 hours trying to find anything else valuable to mine

[blissful rain]

is cargo hauling still viable to do? i remember each trading terminal had unlimied amount of say larranite or it replenish very quickly the stock

[hollow sedge]

that bug's been gone for a month or two now

[fair fog]

@hardy ravine https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/
https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/
https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-test-mining-guide-supplement-3-11.18087/

[hardy ravine]

The guy asking knew how to mine but wanted to know what to mine.

So I gave him the table here instead of #star-citizen

[stuck lynx]

This is s sheet I put together from my own research and others. I just condensed what I found to what I though myself and players in my org needed. I have not updated the planets yet since I really havent went ROC mining since 3.10.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15n_pYfkSwaaBUNYMKOFthHB8yJ44hAtXKLQNE_ilONc/edit

[open hill]

@blissful rain , trading is still viable assuming you have a stable connection, and that the servers don't crash on you, but only if you're in a Caterpillar or Carrack. A fully loaded Cat running from Arial to Loreville can usually make around 80-100k on Titanium alone, with a buy in of around 400k, giving you an easy 200k/hr if no one else is driving the purchase price up.

Laranite and Agricium are still better in terms of the amount you earn per SCU, but the profit has tanked heavily since the days of unlimited buying. You would only make maybe 200k on an investment of over 1 million, on the far off chance you can fill up the Cat.

[blissful rain]

Ok cool thanks @open hill

I have a cat and use to do the agricium and laranite run on before and could earn nearly a million an hour

[fickle zephyr]

and people were upset about the exploit in 3.10, doesnt sound as bad and OP profitable as the limitless laranite

[open hill]

Cargo running, Mining, and running space combat missions all seem to have around the same level of Credits/hr at the moment

[fair fog]

Okay, I googled and didn't find anything.
So I decided to test something.
Mined single Agricium 100% rock with mass of 185.2
The result selling price was 9943
The price per 1 unit at sc-trade.tools is said to be 27.5
Therefore, there was 361 units of Agricium in the rock
361/185 = 1.95

So basically 1 mass Agricium is 2 units

Is there a reliable source on the mass/units conversion? Or there is none yet?

[pallid temple]

There's no real conversion out there

[fair fog]

I'm looking at Rock Mass -> Expected money thing
But rock mass -> ??? Units of item

and i mean pure 100% rock mass, not with inerts and etc

[pallid temple]

I reckon with the mining UI refactor, we might be able to work it out

[fair fog]

I hope so. Because so far it feels like too much guesswork

Did refinery pay me 27.5 per unit or less? Or more?
Did it count all the mass? Was there rounding?
So many unknowns!

But it's fun.

[pallid temple]

Right now the mining UI just has a progress bar from 0 to 100%, with the refactor, we'll be able to see the exact amount of a certain mineral in our cargo

[fair fog]

I didn't use that parameter. I only used detected mass before collection, price per unit

Mass: 185.2
Price 27.5
Payout: 9943

that's it. % of filled cargo is less precise

[turbid bay]

Trying trading, can't buy Larinite. Been waiting for 5 minutes now and no new stock has come in for me to buy. Is this a bug?

[mortal linden]

I'd advise against trading on PU during W1 and W2 PTU.

[turbid bay]

Even on PU?

[mortal linden]

Yes

[turbid bay]

Any particular reason?

30ks?

[mortal linden]

PU and PTU share data servers most of the times, and PTU build sometimes breaks data servers, so it's just additional risk above regular ones. And yeah, PU servers tend to crash more often when PTU is on.

During that time it's better to switch to space/ground combat - mining is also affected by PTU shenanigans, and combat experience is important even for a hauler driver.

[turbid bay]

Thanks

[noble jetty]

whats the most reliable (consistent) trade route?

[mortal linden]

Scrap, CRU-L1 - Port Olisar

But profits on it are low.

[fair fog]

Why not CRU-L5 (Scrap ->) - Levski (<- Hydrogen)

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Diamond
Cargo running question.

Tram & Myers Mining is shown as 162 000/min, but I was there and there was only 30k available.
After waiting for 2 minutes, it didn't increase.

So does it mean that for now /min should be multiplied by 5 since servers tick once every 5 minutes?

[mortal linden]

It's a bug (more like an overloaded/slow server issue than a bug) - it should update every minute.

Why not CRU-L5 (Scrap ->) - Levski (<- Hydrogen)
Levski destroys FPS. The lower the fps - the buggy the game gets, thus this route is less reliable. Sure, there are often pirates and griefers around PO, but I'd prefer to lose cargo to them (never did so far, tho), than to a render hiccup.

[crimson mantle]

@fair fog N.B.: refresh rate is also on all servers at the same time: you may not be able to buy as much as listed if other people are also buying at the same time.
But as @mortal linden stated, server performance also plays a role...

[fair fog]

That's why I asked about refresh. Is it "each minute counts" or "count it by batches of 5" ?

Levski is fine. It does dip to 23 fps, but other than that it seems way more stable than New Babbage that just crashes the game

[crimson mantle]

@fair fog I don't know the final answer to that question unfortunately. The game files report the refresh as "per minute", but they could apply it every 5 mins if they wanted to.
With the stocks shared across every server, it's hard to hell 😒

[fair fog]

Thanks!

[vocal chasm]

am I stupid or is the hand mining tool absolutely useless?

i cant even mine rocks of this size

am i missing something?

i have the multi tool with the mining upgrade equipped

it shows the information of the rock

but if i try to mine it

it doesnt work

[pallid temple]

Those rocks are too large for the multitool

[vocal chasm]

(i already put the energy to 100)

[pallid temple]

Those rocks are mined by the Greycat ROC

[vocal chasm]

ok

thx

[fair fog]

@vocal chasm go to missions in mobiglass, select missing person mission, go there. That's a cave where you can dig gems.
Maybe you'll find body as a bonus.

[vocal chasm]

nice

thx for the tip ^^

[paper forge]

Freelance max or Cutlass black or Valkyrie to mine with ROC? i sometimes mine with friend so it would be nice to fit 2 of them. But im wondering how about their fuel efficiency for longer mining

[green sundial]

valkyrie

the bay is wide enough and the ramp has a lower angle of approach

[fair fog]

Freelancer is free and has argument controlled by pilot (4 of them on the nose) in case trouble arrive

[floral fog]

Valk is significantly more expensive...
like 4.6mil aUEC or 375$ pledge store
Cutlass Black costs less than half and can fit 2 ROCs.
Just be sure to trimmer "M" for the buggy mining arm, so it doesn´t collide with the rood when you enter the ROC

[fair fog]

Get in, power up (R), double tap M quickly

[floral fog]

it snaps out of place again, when you enter it in turned on state, so be ready to "M" then too

[serene quest]

I’d go with the cutlass as the rental cost is pretty minimal

[pallid temple]

27k to rent it for one day

[potent monolith]

is the best moon to mine still Aberdeen?

[pallid temple]

Its Arial

[potent monolith]

O thanks

[bright star]

tested out cargo hauling with MSR:

1. Bought 114 SCU of Agricium cargo on Calliope for 256,500 aUEC
2. Sold at TDD, New Babbage for 313,500 aUEC

= 57,000 aUEC profit

[nova tinsel]

Looks good with the cargo

[fair fog]

@crimson mantle Idea for pages like https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Fluorine

Please make it possible sort by inventory (Goods Per Minute max -> Min) for both sides.

While it's great as is, this would add a whole layer of comfort

[crimson mantle]

It's a good suggestion. I'll add it to the list.

[fair fog]

Yay!

[coarse cape]

is the msr worth getting or no

[green sundial]

CIG increased the scannability of mineables in 3.11.1

now FPM is a bit easier to find

ROC mineables show up on scan better

[blissful rain]

nice

[paper forge]

Wondering if they fix carrack ramp that make my roc totaly wild

[fair fog]

what's wrong with Carrack ramp?

[paper forge]

Once my ROC touch ramp the front doors continously open/close and it kicks me out from roc every 30 seconds.
I dont have this issue with freelancer max and cutlass black, this happens only with carrack after entering the ramp.

[humble isle]

My ROC explodes by itself after a few minutes in the carrack

[fair fog]

do you power it down before exiting?

[paper forge]

yes i do

i always power it off. some poeple doesnt have that problem, guess i need to make vid about it

[fair fog]

would be useful

[silent aspen]

Im brand new to star citizen and want to get into mining what should i do to get started? I own the mustang and the free freelancer

[green sundial]

you have a couple options. you can either buy some equipment to do first person mining, or do delivery missions in the lancer and get enough to buy a ROC to mine larger gem deposits

and finally you could rent a Prospector

[fair fog]

Or go do CS1 bounty missions in mustang until you have better guns/shields, then do CS2-4

[silent aspen]

which mining head should i get before the helix

[pallid temple]

None

[fair fog]

If you're into risk and want to blow up, Impact

https://starcitizen.tools/Impact_I literally either you get the rock, or the rock gets YOU

[silent aspen]

lmao

[fair fog]

https://starcitizen.tools/Hofstede-S1 is 'very minor upgrade' since it only adds 600 power

[green sundial]

its not a good idea to try and change out the rental prospector mining head. if you crash, the server crashes, etc then its gone

[chrome beacon]

Why are there some rocks on space that I can't scan the contents of with my prospector? Are they too big or somthing?

[pallid temple]

Its a weird bug

[bright gate]

Look out for ROC mining arm shooting straight up and colliding with the ceiling

It does that sometimes

[rare gate]

double press M to activate and deactivate mining mode to bypass that bug temporarily

[gritty pendant]

Is there a way to avoid the bug that the ROC fracture beam doesn't work at all or only the beam is fired and no ore can be mined at all?

I always only fill about 20% of ROC storage because of those bugs

[fair fog]

cycle mode with g, if that doesn't help alt+g, cycle with G again

oh wait, that's for arm pointing in one direction

[bright gate]

Are you talking about the desycn bug (when different players will see the same beam as being either fracture or collecting, and the game doesn't recognize it as either?)

Never found a workaround other than respawing the ROC

[hardy ravine]

@gritty pendant sadly the workaround for the bug when ROC has no power to mine is not to log off with ROC on board previously.

If it just decides not to mine, sometimes it works if you leave it until it says you left it's space and then return inside.

Also sometimes the power for the mining hand gets lowered to zero. If you see percents go up but nothing happens, try playing with power slider for the mining hand.

Shit it has so many bugs it is not even funny.

[wheat remnant]

what is the best place to mine stuff besides non quantanium deposits

[crimson mantle]

@wheat remnant With a Prospector?

https://bit.ly/38TSeD8 Aberdeen, daymar, ceilin

https://bit.ly/32U348l or the Aaron Halo if you want to stick to space

[open hill]

Anyone know if theyre planning on adding places to sell SLAM soon? Or should people that have ships full of it just eat the loss and claim them?

[hollow sedge]

I hav question: do the prong from wingtip bits of the drake cutlass series serve any purpose atm or are they just cosmetic?

they look like robotic arms kinda

this seems like the best channel to ask ig

not sure

[fresh hamlet]

what are your guys top 10 cargo haulers that are in game right now

[lofty crest]

Cat

Max

Freelancer (basic)

That's all that really matters atm

[fresh hamlet]

yeah i have the cat at the moment

but i don't know what to work towards

[lofty crest]

Cat to make money you could go for a carrick or an 890 jump

But nothing else to go for

[fair fog]

@fresh hamlet
Caterpillar, Carrack
I'm using Caterpillar. Maneuverable, nice stock QT, can travel around quickly.
Work towards: FUN.

[fresh hamlet]

can you buy the carrack in game

[pallid temple]

Yes

26million

[fresh hamlet]

ah nice

do you actually keep in game bought ships

when they reset at a patch

if that will ever happen

[thorny copper]

wont keep them til release thats for sure

[rare gate]

if its just a database reset you keep the ships

but if its a wipe you lose everything but the stuff listed at "My Hangar"

[thorny copper]

might get wiped sometime before that, but hasnt happened ín a long time now

[fresh hamlet]

when do you guys the release will come?

5-10 years?

[rare gate]

everything between 2 and 200 years

[green sundial]

in 10 years CIG will come out with StarPhone which will have SC built in so you can play it on the go

[lofty crest]

best estimates look top be Q3 2022https://scfocus.org/release-dates/

only 77% sure tho

[hollow blaze]

Anyone can tell me how to mine with the Prospector? ._.
I rented it for a day for my first money, tried it 4 times but I failed hard. Now it's gone very soon if not gone already, but I want to keep trying

Ah ye the 24h are over already, F

[warm umbra]

mine with a roc @hollow blaze

[normal night]

Can you mine asteroids? I've been scanning for a bit with 0 pings

[green sundial]

yes you can mine asteroids

[atomic lark]

There a list of what to mine somewhere? Like whats valuable? For prospector mining

[crimson mantle]

@atomic lark Feel free to look at https://bit.ly/32U348l and https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/

[atomic lark]

Ty

[hardy ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/572706150286622720/776853282915483718/Mining.png?width=792&height=677

[coarse cape]

how come hadanite isn't on that

[bright star]

because this list is for ship mining

[coarse cape]

o

im smart

i just finished mining in my roc

was only able to collect like 90 sine my mining arm broke

since*

like the bar with the green and red parts wasnt going up

[bright star]

@coarse cape yeah it's a bug. you gotta store/retrieve it.

[coarse cape]

alright

[woeful moss]

@bright star how did you do that reply thing?

[bright star]

this one? just click reply. you gotta update your discord.

[woeful moss]

Weird, are you on mobile @bright star ? I have no update

I have the option on mobile but not on win might be it

[bright star]

just wait a bit. sometimes it appear later.

[woeful moss]

thx

[serene echo]

Hello everyone! Where can I mine using the rental prospector? I can't find any asteroids that i can brake down.

[bright star]

any moon surfaces. but you gotta look for rocks with 3000 mass or below. @serene echo

anything above are basically impossible with stock mining head

[serene echo]

So i will try Yela, thank you, @bright star

[bright star]

Yela's a good spot. and not a problem.

[fair fog]

Can this be added to Pinned since it helps set up camera for landing in City Hangars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQgY6yX6-k0

[jade vale]

Best rocks for the Roc on yela?

and best place to sell?

[pallid temple]

Don't bother mining on Yela

Arial or bust

[jade vale]

i thought yela was good for mining on

[pallid temple]

Nope

[serene echo]

@pallid temple which places are good when using the rental prospecor?

[pallid temple]

I don't have as much experience in Prospector mining, but there should be some decent stuff on either Yela or Daymar

Generally you'd be looking for rocks that are below 3k mass

[serene echo]

Okay, thanks.

[bright star]

Aberdeen, Arial, and Daymar are the best for Hadanites

in 3.11

[coarse cape]

So does the cargo system work on the MSR. Like does the illegal cargo go into the secret area automatically or what

Haven’t used it before

[green sundial]

the main hold is filled first

then the secret area

[coarse cape]

Ok

And the main holds 96 right

[pallid temple]

Yes

[coarse cape]

Sweet thanks

Thinking of buying it when I get the money lol

[autumn heart]

anyone wanna mine together or cargo im pretty new looking to make some money lol

[prime helm]

Hey, I'm looking into getting a ROC, how much aUEC I could make with one of them?

[onyx echo]

220k is the maximum I got with a full ROC mining hadanite

[prime helm]

ok thanks, it doesnt matter anymore as the free freelancer is gone so I'm back with a starter mustang 😦

[rough basalt]

Same here my friend

[atomic lark]

You can rent one

They arnt that expensive

[rough basalt]

When you only have 14,000 they are lol

[coarse cape]

wait freelancer gone now?

atleast i got my roc

[green sundial]

November 23, 2950: Crusader
This year’s premier IAE sponsor is coming in hot with the latest Mercury Star Runner model, an eagerly-awaited release of an oustanding ship. Their fleet of transport-focused behemoths will also be present for you to try out.

^C2 coming to IAE on Monday?

[crimson mantle]

Good news everyone! No cargo nor mining changes in 3.11.1 compared to 3.11: all the same trade routes, all the same deposit composition/location

[chrome beacon]

Is running drugs currently profitable at all?

[quasi forge]

Just got done mining nearly full ROC with a 30k reward for my time. Vehicle sliding seems greatly reduced, but not completely gone. Collector is WAY better now. Didn't seem to have any weird issues with loading ROC in my cutlass like before, but the mining arm thing is still a...thing.

[crimson mantle]

@chrome beacon On a good day with drugs you make 4.8k in a cutlass

[quasi forge]

Also was very easy to find hadanite on ariel

[crimson mantle]

58k in a catterpillar, but the stocks are so limited

[green sundial]

thats not encouraging

[crimson mantle]

@chrome beacon Drugs have not been a really good option for some time, due to limited stock and buying points. Feel free to explore more trade routes at https://sc-trade.tools

[green sundial]

half the fun of drugs is just going to the location

🙂

[chrome beacon]

Well that's not fun, thank you

[rough basalt]

Can someone please remind me what the name of the multi crew mining ship is, my mate was telling me about it.

[quasi forge]

argo mole

[visual karma]

is this a decent run in a cat? hows the wait times should i worry about them?

[bleak lance]

Yes the wait times are long to load up Lara items

Like one location on wala is best and can load like 81 scu of Lara it’s every 5ish min I think

Risky cause of 30ks to load that much in that time and for it to crash

[lofty crest]

ditch lara

do titanium or diamond

it makes sense to not be able to load up a cat with lara at the moment. Makes hauling super unbalanced imo

3.9 could make upwards of quarter a mill in one run 🙂 was good shit

[obsidian vortex]

What moons/planets have greycat ROC mineables ?

[fair fog]

@prime helm Rent Cutlass
https://scfocus.org/ship-sale-rental-locations-history/

[plucky geyser]

@obsidian vortex id go daymar and prioretise hadenite

[mortal linden]

Aberdeen is the bet one, but its terrain makes it hard. Arial is second best for ROC mining.

[prime helm]

@fair fog Thanks for the info 🙂

[paper forge]

Ive tested it out today and:

1. arm still bugs when powering on
2. i found much less hadanite in Aberdeen
3. i always pick up 40 Doli/Hada from from deposit despite percentage
4. doors are going wild once i touch the carrack ramp and kick me out every 2 minutes.
5. the ROC stay in place while powered on

[dusty copper]

How is the extraction mode, Still only picking up on certain game ticks?

[paper forge]

extraction mode is much quicker

took me 2 seconds to collect whole deposit

but still moving arm while collecting too quickly may result throwing pieces that are actualy picked up away behind you

[quasi forge]

I haven't tried aberdeen for hadanite mining. Just been doing Arial and have found it pretty easy to find hadanite. Terrain is good and easy to sell at Bezdek. Where do you sell to if at Aberdeen?

[coarse cape]

It’s been hard to find hadanite in arial lol

For me

Only found like 90-100

[paper forge]

Since when i cant sell Hada at Aberdeen? Few days ago i had no issues with that.

Also who the hell sets fuel consumtion

Nomad seems to burn lots of fuel

[thorny copper]

a lot

burned close to a full tank in 10 mins on MT

[woeful moss]

Anybody try roc yet? Seems to be much improved

[coarse cape]

yeah a lot better

still has the problem with the arm

going up and back when you turn power on

[woeful moss]

Thx for the feedback. I heard the beam is quicker to pick up too

[paper forge]

Check for few post above

I did some tests

But im disappointed with nomad and its fuel consumption...

[finite portal]

where can I sell my cargo some places dont take it for some reason

[dawn ermine]

just rented a Mole. anyone want to link up to make some money?

[patent trench]

So I watched STL's video on "what fits in an MSR". I saw he put an ursa in there, but I don't think he talked about if he could fit a bike in the back. Is anyone able to verify if you can?

[tulip steeple]

how much is the msr?

ah $200

[foggy bison]

@tulip steeple We're not sure yet but the price on Monday will be higher than the last time it was offered. The rumour is that it'll be $225 warbond and $260 credit. We'll have to wait and see.

[drowsy jackal]

anyone know a good place to sell widow>

(asking for a friend)

[royal kelp]

I am thinking about getting an RSI CNOU Pioneer, but am unsure about the type of gameplay it would provide.
I will be mainly utilizing an RSI Orion, so a Pioneer would be cool for storage/additional refinery/homestead capability. But where it would be AMAZING is if Star Citizen is able to recognize that you're part of "XYZ Organization" and your land claims/bases/assets could be shared
Any thoughts or has anyone heard whether this may be something available? It makes sense that it would.. but i've not heard anything on it
Basically creating large territories belonging to your organization

[crimson mantle]

@drowsy jackal https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/WiDoW

Hope you don't have too much of the stuff 🙂

[drowsy jackal]

epic thank you

[coarse cape]

is it true that the msr burns fuel

[pallid temple]

Yes

[pliant matrix]

just tried nomad. if it burns hydrogen that way no need to take a roc on it

lost 23% of hyd just getting out of micro

[paper forge]

Ppl say its bugged and you can still fly with 0% tank. But i didnt have time to test that

[pliant matrix]

I hope so. or else it'd be a big fail xD

[hollow sedge]

how do i upgrade prospector lazer?

i bought a head but it doesnt show up?

[inland scarab]

@hollow sedge mobiglass in the ship customization

[vestal plume]

Should post in here, too:
I primarily use my Cutty for ROC mining, and really wanted to switch to the Nomad....but in my tests last night, the ramp behaved way too much like the one on the Connie.
Between that and the fuel consumption, it feels like I gotta stick with the Cutty.
Opinions?

[coarse cape]

I like the cutty

I just rent it since I’m poor but

It’s a lot easier to use cutty tbh

[vestal plume]

Any folks in here using or tried to use the Nomad for ROC mining yet?

[brave agate]

so any good trades at the moment or is it all hadanite mining crap with the ROC still?

[last flame]

23% of your Hydrogen just getting off of Microtech? What were you doing, afterburning the whole way?

[last flame]

Yes. It works, with the caveat that the cargo bed is a cargo elevator, which has all the snags related to putting vehicles on elevators in the current state of the game. It'll do the job, but the ROC may bounce around while the bed is moving into place.

[vestal plume]

I need to test more, but when I had a cyclone in there last night, on the third landing it just went completely sideways and out of the ship. Getting nervous about investing in it for future mining, but damn I do dig it otherwise.

[last flame]

Note in the future, the elevator won't have the issues it does now

[quasi forge]

I've had issues with the ROC bouncing around my cutty but was fine yesterday. That was post patch and making sure mining arm was retracted.

[last flame]

so buying it for future use is not an unwise stance

[vestal plume]

Totally agree - just wondering whether that's a year from now, cuz if so I'll lose it before then. ROC mining is my main money maker

[coarse cape]

Yeah I has the same issue with it bouncing around but it wasn’t too bad once I got in the air

Have*

[velvet night]

Is roc mining the most profitable?

Also can that fit in an avenger titan

[brave agate]

think the roc fits in a titan, barely

i know titan fits a greycat and they are close to the same size

[velvet night]

That’s good

[pallid temple]

The ROC doesn't fit in a Titan

[velvet night]

Dang

[brave agate]

dso cutty b is still the cheapest ship that it fits in

[velvet night]

That’s my next ship I want

Because it can fit the cyclone too and that one looks like a lot of fun to drive around

And explore

[vestal plume]

Well technically now the cheapest ship to fit the ROC is the Nomad.....but the question is whether it can reliably hold and transport the ROC without issues right now.

a flipped-over ROC full of Hadenite isn't the goal

[lament orchid]

Can someone help my ROC isn’t able to be retrieved

[last flame]

The Nomad is now the cheapest ROC carrier.

[woeful rock]

Wellllll

[coarse cape]

How many roc’s can you fit in a cutty b

[pallid temple]

2

[last flame]

I swear to god.

[woeful rock]

I mean if you can get it on top of an Aurora.

[last flame]

[woeful rock]

[last flame]

I can’t imagine they stay

[woeful rock]

Apparently it did. lol

[hollow sedge]

It doesn't show?

[royal kelp]

Where would be the best mining location right now mixed mining ROC/Ship?

Figured somewhere rich in Quantainium/Hadanite

[coarse cape]

Arial works well with rock

roc*

[urban ledge]

Anyone having trouble trying to refuel with the ROC in the back of a Nomad? Was out trying to do some mining and now I can’t refuel anywhere lol

[paper forge]

Every ship with roc inside cant refuel

I had this issue with cutlass and Max

[urban ledge]

Yeah someone in chat said the same thing, but once I landed and was lowering the cargo bay. My roc was going haywire and they both disappeared lol

[last flame]

Well, being forced to reclaim your Nomad is one way of refueling. LOL

[amber moon]

cries in alpha

[floral flare]

Given the nomad is starting at 80$ with 24scu, is there another sub 100$ ship that challenges it for early cargo running? (I'm seeing the cutty. But that's standalone. Not within a game pack)

[last flame]

In due time, the HULL-A and HULL-B will do more dedicated cargo than the Nomad will

but that will be all they'll do

[verbal kraken]

@floral flare dont forget u can upgrade ur starter ship

[floral flare]

@last flame thank you!

@verbal kraken i know. I'm 3k into the game lol. Helping a friend with his upgrade choice and I'm not too knowledgeable on most of the ships sub 200$.

[paper forge]

how much hadanite should i get from 0,85 rock 96%?

i dont think it should be 40 units

[verbal kraken]

@floral flare best bet currently in my opinion

Mustang +sqd 42 starter<upgrade to LTI nomad< upgrade to cutty

U get game, 42, lti, and a cutty for $10 less

[vocal chasm]

can you break any rock with the argo mole equipped with the worst turrets?

since you can point more than one laser at one rock

[verbal kraken]

@vocal chasm with 3 people yea

Once they add larger lasers, no

[vocal chasm]

ah right the turrets wont fire if theres no one inside

[verbal kraken]

The big thing about the mole is laser buffs stack

So u can have 2 helixs and a lancet

Healixs blast through, lancet for precision work

[vocal chasm]

so you can break any rock in no time with 0 risk?

[verbal kraken]

Risk is associated to skill level

[vocal chasm]

ofc

[verbal kraken]

Usually multi lasers do the first break, followed by the other two lasers going indepenedant

2 people, 1 each size and you as the pilot in the front laser

[fleet quest]

any1 useing then cargo mole transports?

[verbal kraken]

Lancet in front helix on wides

@fleet quest probably not, its main use is transport between capital ships and the conniea

[vocal chasm]

makes sense thx ^^

[tribal stirrup]

Anyone know where is a good place to sell widow outside of Grim?

[crimson mantle]

@tribal stirrup There is no other place: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/WiDoW

[slender moat]

is trading profitable or do i need to have a massive ship to see profits ?

[pliant matrix]

depend what you call massive

if you want to do 100k or more per run then yeah a caterpillar would be great. if doing 15-80k per run a freelancer or anything around 50scu is enough

[slender moat]

idk myself. had the game for years, but haven't played much. only just got back to it for real

[pliant matrix]

honestly trading isn't the most profitable right now

with 30k it's also pretty risky

I'd say before doing good profit it'll take a while

with my cat I do something like 100k profit for 500k invest

here is an example with 1M invest

and it's not accurate since prices are evolving constantly

[bold saffron]

can the MSR hold a ROC?

looks like it could from what i saw

[fossil gale]

can hold 4

[bold saffron]

lol oh boy

i was thinking of doing an upgrade of my cutty black to the MSR

i was hoping the cutty black would of held the ROC i got....but a bit tight XD

[quasi forge]

I use my cutty for roc. It's fine.

Just takes a bit of practice for loading, but once you get the hang of it, it's great.

I find it easiest to do in external view tbh

[paper forge]

Aberdeen doesnt buy hadanite anymore?

[mighty hamlet]

anyone know if mining is still hella bugged.. does the scanners work on the mole now?

[ivory bluff]

You can drive the roc in and out the cutlass at even full speed in 1st person without issues, if you practice a bit

[tribal stirrup]

can the rover fit on the back of the Nomad?

[ivory bluff]

Its better not to drive it in backwards

[paper forge]

rent valkyrie to transport vehiclles

[atomic lark]

Msr seems like a good ship to dip into alot of gameplay loops

[bold saffron]

lol the roc barely fits into the cutty....usually causing fires for me

[coarse cape]

fits for me

you got to center it and back it basically to the back of the hold

[pallid temple]

The ROC fits fine in the Cutlass

[coarse cape]

just make sure the arm

isnt like

facing backwards

[pallid temple]

Its better to reverse it in

[coarse cape]

yeah

i forgot to store mine

and now i have to go somewhere else to claim it lmfao

[amber moon]

quick question: what do you all do all normally do when the cargo market is flooded? I hit like 4 of my normal routes that usually push ~180k an hour and they are barely hitting 140k right now. I was hoping to farm up 2m this weekend but at this rate, not happening.

[lofty crest]

different moon

or wait for expo to be over

[amber moon]

that was my thought....oh well. Guess I let my memes be dreams until next week. 😛

[lofty crest]

ports are diminished atm and the servers are too unstable so best to wait for a lil bit

[last flame]

Yes. The ROC fits in the back of a Nomad.

[woeful rock]

So do I but look where I’m at. Not in the back of your nomad.

[zealous iron]

what mining consumables should i be using?

[coarse cape]

what's a good rock to mine with mole besides from quantanium

[atomic lark]

@coarse cape

[coarse cape]

thanks

[bright star]

@unkempt quail best for hadanite would be at Aberdeen, Arial, Daymar

[west nimbus]

anyone need crew?

[visual karma]

My last run of titanium in a full cat from bezdek to lorville only got me $60k profit. Where it usually is $80k-$100k profit. Anyone know if it got nerfed and what would the next best thing be to haul?

[coarse cape]

people been running it a lot so value has been going down

[elder hill]

A package I have won't drop out of my hands unless I wipe visor and it wont count that I collected it. Is the mission too bugged to complete, or is there a workaround? I technicaly have all 3 packages on my ship/

[obsidian vortex]

are revamped delivery missions coming in 3.12?

P.S was told they were but didn't see it on roadmap so now im unsure

[paper forge]

is it worth to upgrade LTI nomad into cutlass black? in terms of ROC carriage?

or nomad realy have or will have somehting that will make it unique enough?

[obsidian vortex]

Cutlass I would say is better in every way except that it’s more expensive and has a pirate reputation attached to it.

But honestly if u have a nomad you could just do a few ROC mining runs and buy or rent a cutlass with uec

@paper forge

[paper forge]

im bit worried about nomad now when i saw how ROC jump at ramp

[paper forge]

nomad will be purchasable ingame in few updates i suppose?

[green sundial]

probably early next year

[vocal chasm]

@obsidian vortex I hope they will get changed sometime in the future. I just hate that they pay around 2k per package. That's like almost nothing. The 8k ones were perfectly fine imo. I loved the 16k ones but they were a little bit overturned maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave agate]

fairly certain you arent permitted to mine in the roc. i mean, every time i get anything in it, it immediately 30ks

[crimson mantle]

@visual karma Not everyone knows this, but the global dynamic economy is already in: prices vary with supply and demand. So while titanium has not been nerfed (I checked the data), it might have been more traded when you did your run.
Using https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes with a few filters, the next best thing is diamonds (if you want to keep a high refresh rate commodity). Profit on diamonds is 86k at best.

[last flame]

Take a look around MicroTech. There's local delivery runs that pay 8k for 3 boxes, but those boxes are picked up/delivered to locations within the MicroTech system, which makes it a bit faster

[vocal chasm]

Yea but that's nothing in comparison with the 8k packages that existed before the introduction of the new delivery missions. You could collect around 10 or more of them (each package worth 8k) at a time around crusader and fly them all to new babbage for solid money. Also there were illegal delivery missions available that would pay 16k per package.

[last flame]

Right. I remember both.

Was just offering a temporary solution as they hammer out the rest of the cargo deck gameplay

[vocal chasm]

ok thx

I've gathered enough and switched to roc mining so I'm good

^^

I'm just not happy with the current state of not being able to gather your first 200k without fighting.

If you have collected so much, you can just switch to mining or trading

[paper forge]

I found ROC mining kinda 30k proof. 3 times in a row after 30k my ROC was just stored at one of planetary outposts. Once i retrieved them i had all my hidanite inside its storage

But you cant claim it otherwise its gone

[pliant matrix]

then you go that that station and sell the stuff

it happened to me with a freelancer

I'd a full laranite cargo got a 30k and FL was in hurston I went there and sold the stuff

[paper forge]

This is why i preffer to have multiple ROC instead of making Boxes

[pliant matrix]

sometimes you'll lose it too. you can't tell for sure

[paper forge]

Same thing should happen to cargo haulers. They should be stored at nearest spacestation

[pliant matrix]

sometimes ship will remain in space. then you take another ship and get it back

[paper forge]

Yeh but when its somewhere between planets (22milion kms) its oretty hard to find it :D

[pliant matrix]

it takes time I guess xD

[pure matrix]

when iae started my prospectors helix head went away, has this happened to anyone else?

[paper forge]

You need to reequip it

AIE was also 3.11.1 update

After every of these most if not all upgrades are unequiped.

[pure matrix]

It's completely gone from my loadout selection

[pliant matrix]

it happened to me not long ago. helix just vanished

and prospector didn't have any head. imagine my surprise when I arrived in from of a nice quant rock xD

[pure matrix]

did it ever come back, or did you end up buying another?

[pliant matrix]

never came back I'd to buy it again

[cursive dagger]

Anyone running cargo?

[pliant matrix]

sometimes i do

[snow tundra]

Cyclone RN work for finding minable stuff?

[cursive dagger]

I am looking for something to do.

[quasi forge]

My suggestion is to find something else besides this game to save your sanity

[cursive dagger]

Well, beings I haven't been able to play this game for 6 years, because I had a shitty computer. I think I want to jump in and learn more about the game and what I want to do, like Cargo.

[coarse cape]

Have fun

[pseudo arch]

So anyone have any idea if the Merchantman is going to be a really slow ship?

[pliant matrix]

Considering the size it won't be a fast one for sure

[old hawk]

Whats a good Caterpillar scrap run? Trying to get into cargo again

I used to do Bajini Point to Port Olisar, is that still a viable option?

[coarse cape]

PO is kinda busy with players from time to time

[old hawk]

hmm, where else should I sell the scrap? or should I be trading something else

[hollow sedge]

got to use my mole for all of about five minutes and then my mobiglass went down. spent the last two days doing character reset, gender reset, five different things. nothing brought back my mobiglass. just character reset. Hooray!!!

bought that mole with in game money after earning it with my prospector. any chance I'll see my mole after a character reset?

[coarse cape]

Yeah you should still keep it

I did a character reset and i didnt lose my roc

lost some ammo clips

but thats it

[hollow sedge]

thanks @coarse cape

that puts me at ease. it took a long time saving up five mil. in game money for that mole

servers going down in 15 minutes.

reset whatever

[coarse cape]

i would wait about an hour after the reset

[foggy temple]

Any good routes for cargo hauling?

Something that can actually utilize my new MSRs cargo hold?

@ me if you got anything

[coarse cape]

idk if its still good or not but its one stop and its arial to lorville

buying larinite/titanium

[quasi forge]

Yeah I had to do a character reset yesterday. Lost a bunch of weapons and ammo but kept all the cutty ship upgrades I bought. Had disastrous time earlier today when I logged on to play. I had left my cutty w/roc parked in orbit above arial when I logged out last. When I logged back in, my cutty was now parked next to the stanton star. I qt'ed back to arial and went straight to hunting hadanite. Found a really nice 3-rock deposit of 96.00/100 right off the bat, so thought my fortune had changed. Landed and got into my roc, turned on the power, the bam, suddenly I was left standing on the surface and my ship was gone, no roc, miles from anywhere. The only thing keeping me from rage-quitting right then was the pretty awesome view I was looking at and then bam! I was suddenly staring at a starfield and then the game crashed. No server timeout error or anything, just ctd. I took a little break and then logged in again to see what was what. Was back in my ship and as I ran to the cockpit, I could see I was likely on the surface of arial again and then BAM! my ship blows up! It put me back at that station above hurston. Masochist that I am, I spawned my cutty, paying the expedited fee, and made my way back to bezdek on arial. Tried to spawn my roc and got the error that it couldn't be retrieved repeatedly. I tried the other mining station on the moon but same thing. That's when I finally gave up for the day. I've had similar issues all week. The only thing that the latest patch seemed to actually fix was the mining collector and vehicle drift(although there's still a bit of it sometimes). I just can't invest any more time right now with the game in this state, which sucks, because I really want to. Sorry for the wall of text. :p

[river jasper]

Is cargo bugged rn

[civic barn]

Where is a good place to look for caves with fps mining

[frail sigil]

The Nomad is starting to grow on me. I believe the last patch fixed the ROC sliding around in the trunk. That was the main reason why I would get it. Sure the fuel usage sucks but it was long enough for a mining session.

[civic barn]

Where do you sell ore after you mine it

[nocturne notch]

I sell it most of the time in Port Olisar

[civic barn]

How do I get it from my ruck sack to my ship so it goes up on the sell tab at the console

[nocturne notch]

I think you need an extra Terminal to sell your stuff out of your backpack but i'm not sure

[pliant matrix]

terminal is on the counter next to the npc in terminal room of port olisar

[civic barn]

The refining terminal right

All the ore is in a mission box in my nomad when I use the terminal nothing is available when you have to select the location your trying to sell from

[nocturne notch]

You need to pickup the Box and bring it to the terminal

[civic barn]

Oh ok

I have the box right next to the terminal but there is still nothing in the drop down menu at the refinery terminal

[nocturne notch]

can you took the ore out of the box?

[civic barn]

My only options are drop the box or place it and it says nothing's in the personal inventory

I need to find a way to get the stuff out of the box and back in my back pack

[nocturne notch]

Sry, but I never had this problem, because I didn't go FPS mining 🤔

[pliant matrix]

it's not reffinery terminal on the wall it's the terminal on the counter

[civic barn]

Yep that was the issue lol

[solemn latch]

What’s the best thing to run in large qty rn

Medical?

[rare gate]

Laranite if available and fill up the rest cargo with a.e. Astanite or other quite expensive stuff

[pliant matrix]

Laranite is sometimes over trade and prices goes down a bit tho

[eternal thicket]

How can people even trade, I can never sell my stuff

[pliant matrix]

what "stuff"?

[eternal thicket]

I tried doing medical supplies and filled the rest up with Stims and tried selling them at Hurston

Gonna see about doing Agri supplies and distilled spirits at levski

[pliant matrix]

you can't sell anything anywhere. some station only take specific supplies

[eternal thicket]

I get that, but usually the station/city is just full

[pliant matrix]

it's strange. usually medical have a nice restock speed

[eternal thicket]

That's what I thought at first too, but I couldn't even fill more than 1/10th of my Cat with medical so did the rest with stims and i've been trying to sell for more than an hour but still haven't gotten rid of it all

[pliant matrix]

medical isn't made to buy/sell in large quantity. you wont fill a cat with it for sure

https://sc-trade.tools/

use it to plan your trades

[eternal thicket]

Hmmm, have done that yes

[pliant matrix]

you wouldn't even fill a freelancer with medical supplies tbh

I mean for it to be fast sold

[rare gate]

hmmm.. I was able to fill a Connie with medicals often enough

[pliant matrix]

you can but it will takes time to sold after

[rare gate]

no, I sold it all at Lorville

[eternal thicket]

Gonna try my luck at Levski

[pliant matrix]

last time I tried I had to do it in parts. maybe servers was crowned or people decided to all sell it at the same time xD

[eternal thicket]

Hmmmm

[rare gate]

at New Boobage and Lorville you should be able to sell a Connie's full cargo of medicals after 7 mins max

Area 18 is even faster

Levski is probably the worst location to sell medical supplies with a refresh rate of only 50 units per minute

[eternal thicket]

Well I've sold my medical supplies, after over an hour, not even that much, gonna try selling stims at levski and then running cargo there

[river jasper]

Is msr a better cargo ship than cat

[pallid temple]

No

MSR has 114 SCU, Cat has the highest SCU in the game currently

[rare gate]

MSR also needs to be refuelled way to often to be a cargo runner right now

[river jasper]

Doesn't it have similar consumption to cat

[pallid temple]

No

[rare gate]

the MSRs consumption rather equals a glass of water that you throw off a table

[slender moat]

what's good to sell apart from widow?

[pliant matrix]

widow is trash. the time you spend selling it you can do more runs of legal stuff

selling vice isn't as profitable as it used to be some updates ago

[pliant matrix]

what would be the best planet to mine with ROC ?

[pallid temple]

Arial

[pliant matrix]

I've bad memories on Arial xD My ROC turn on it's back and got stuck

[eternal thicket]

Aberdeen is where I get lucky

[last flame]

I believe Aberdeen is more densely populated with Hadanite than Arial, but the terrain is much less friendly. So just be aware

[pliant matrix]

Yela is a pain too it seems...

hasn't been able to finish one load with roc since release 😩

[spare bridge]

it's still an alpha and that ship is brand new, give 'em time.

[pliant matrix]

ik just I'm not lucky xD

also nomad is very limit for the roc. it keep glitching when bay goes up

[sonic laurel]

Yep

[pliant matrix]

they might have do something about hydrogen leak on nomad tho. I've been using it for 20min and only lost 12%

I managed to pull the roc back on it's fit. put it on nomad and then....30k!

it should be floating somewhere between po and hurston now xD

[stable epoch]

roc vs prospector? whats better rn?

[pallid temple]

ROC

[pliant matrix]

from my very recent experiences I'd say prospector is more stable as a gameplay than roc but roc bring more income if well used

[stable epoch]

how does the roc work for storing materials?

[pliant matrix]

roc is like a motorized mining tool with scu store. kinda

[stable epoch]

so u can put the roc in to a carrack go mine and take 100 scu cargo back to station to sell?

[pallid temple]

No

[pliant matrix]

no. roc have his own scu

[pallid temple]

The ROC's capacity is 0.8SCU

[pliant matrix]

roc is mining same things than hand mining

[bold dagger]

you can transfer cargo between your back pack and the roc's cargo storage

so you can fill up the roc, transfer some to yourself, then continue filling up the roc

get a little bit of extra storage that way

Has anyone found a place that sells size 0 mining heads, for the roc?

[pliant matrix]

I don't think there are other head for roc actually

[stable epoch]

Will it ever be that u can drop you personal cargo into a scu box that you can drop into your ships storage area?

[pallid temple]

There are other heads for the ROC @pliant matrix, but they're not sold in-game yet

Because there's no point to having other mining heads

[pliant matrix]

so no other head actually

where to get the high heat suit? I went to aberdeen for another roc try. it was working well but didn't noticed I didn't had the good suit and died xD

[last flame]

Prospector will be more reliable right now, as far as mining goes, but the ROC makes more per load. You'll have to get some practice and aUEC into the Prospector to get to where the money is from ship mining, which is Quantanium.

Lorville, Theadriel.

Tammany and Sons sells the "Pembroke" undersuit and helmet

that will resist high heat

[pliant matrix]

I'm sure I bought it but it vanished. thx

[worldly vector]

The roc is the top money maker right now once you learn the work around/tips on how to load and store it. You make 220k per load and that takes about an hour. I've made over 17 million and continue to make money with it. Just takes a little learning.

[coarse cape]

@stable epoch yeah the roc is very profitable once you get past the learning part of it. If you want a pretty good guide watch this video https://youtu.be/tm0F_G0JiCs

[bold dagger]

OH crap, I didn't know they implemented the "Store" mechanic that's awesome.

Now I can have WAY more stuff for when some ahole comes and blows me up for the lulz

[worldly vector]

Yes you can store/take hadanite out of the roc and store in your suit or make a box to store in your ship. I normally don't and try to sell as fast as possible once I have a full load in case of server issues. For example last night before the server went down for maintenance I was one my way to sell with a full load but came upon a 9 spawn of hadanite so I stored contents from the roc in a box on my ship then mined the 9 hadanite rocks and went and sold. Make 300k from that run.

[bold dagger]

Nice, yeah, I knew you could put it in your suit, but I didn't know you could make the box. That one is new to me.

But yeah, I get worried any time I'm more than like 2 rocks deep into a mining expedition

[coarse cape]

You can make a box directly from the roc so you don’t have to split it

[brazen summit]

can't wait to get really cargo-ey with that Hull-E I got today

[coarse cape]

It’s out?

[pallid temple]

No

[brazen summit]

naw

that's why I can't wait

[coarse cape]

Ah

[dusky shoal]

Anyone want to take a noob to chill

[fair fog]

@dusky shoal you new to Star Citizen?

[fair fog]

if you have money to burn, Constellation Aquilla seems to have better sensor suite than Freelancer or Cutlass Black

[dusky shoal]

yes

someone already picked me up

thanks

[robust aspen]

is running cargo work it right now?

im just trying to find a good way to make money since im a shit shot lol

only ship i got is the avenger titan

[pliant matrix]

It's enough for bounties

Not the best and you might have to repair sometimes but enough

[robust aspen]

gotcha

[pliant matrix]

Npc aren't very good. They're compensating by numbers sometimes

Also remember to take the call at arms mission for killing bonus (kill bounty target first and then adds)

[robust aspen]

appreciate it

[paper forge]

Bts is there qny info about Cat and Carrack modularity? I mean what modules can we expect at future?

[visual karma]

Anyone know when the hull ships will be flight ready?

[pallid temple]

Probably when we get ship to station docking, and possibly the dynamic economy

[visual karma]

So a while then :/

[pallid temple]

Ship to station docking is making some progress

[visual karma]

Is it? Its hard to tell with these guys sometimes

[last flame]

We've seen videos of the Ship-to-station docking locations, so it's making visible progress at this point

[nimble schooner]

Is dumpers depot buying terminals working for anyone? Trying to purchase a mining head

[fair fog]

@visual karma imagine you're inventing a thing. How fast will you invent it?

@nimble schooner buying and trading terminals may take up to 10 min to load if they were not in use. But if 2 min and SHOP terminal isn't waking up, try swapping server. Unless you insist on waiting.

Trading terminal should boot up within 5 minutes

[nimble schooner]

Yeah I fixed it just had to log out and log back in

[frail rose]

I'm brand new to trading so maybe this is a stupid question but: If I can't fill my MSR cargo when buying goods and I can't sell all of the goods I do have because of supply/demand, what's the point of even larger trade ships like the cat?

[frail knoll]

Usually people driving cats know how trading works

[pliant matrix]

There are goods you can buy and sell in huge quantity. You just need invest power to fill the cat

I filled for 426k of astanite (full cat) and sold it instantly for 507k

15minutes

[frail rose]

advice I got was to use something like sc-tools to plan a route but that didn't work out well.

[pliant matrix]

It works well. Just try different filters. Not all road appears on one screen

[crimson mantle]

@frail rose I'm happy to hear any feedback! What did you have trouble with?

[pliant matrix]

Just numbers are approximate

[crimson mantle]

That's true: they come from the game's files and not the LIVE servers, which means they are always on the optimistic side :)
https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq

As for trading with the MSR:

[pliant matrix]

Ik I was just warning shogunaut

[crimson mantle]

@frail rose I'd recommend trading commodities that have a "refresh rate" of >33% of your ships capacity, to avoid running into inventory issues. You can see an example (https://bit.ly/33gguvs) and adjust as you see fit.

[pliant matrix]

It's actually interesting to try small and specific goods. Famous road like laranite are so crowns values are dropping

[frail rose]

didn't anticipate this response, thanks.

[crimson mantle]

No problem! Trading in SC is not quite transparent.

[pliant matrix]

What would you advice for a decent road with cat? I've been doing laranite and astanite lately but prices dropped so much it's annoying

[crimson mantle]

I also added the "Alternative commodities" button recently, so I can still fill the haul with 2nd grade commodities instead of taking off half-empty.

Titanium is usually more stable. On the plus side, you can usually pick-up some Laranite and fill the rest in titanium.
Another option are diamonds: the stock is one of the most quickly refreshed in-game.

But it always depends on how many people are going at it at a given moment.

[pliant matrix]

True. Also a full cat can break the market itself 😂

[crimson mantle]

Yep, and it'll get slightly worse with the C2 whenever that drops.

[pliant matrix]

It has something like 50more scu that won't make a huge difference but yeah a lot of people is waiting to fly it

Me include 😁

[cursive dagger]

What's a good place to surface mine?

[mighty hamlet]

sensitive intel there, i just made 248k in one 40 minute mole mining run,, noicccee

[crimson mantle]

@cursive dagger I tried to answer that question with https://sc-trade.tools/mining. Feel free to try it.

[finite plinth]

Was flying a delivery mission and my packages fell into my ship.... couldnt reach them

[granite meteor]

That happens, I usually queue up every available box delivery before I go

I usually only do them out of levski so I can park at the top lobby instead of a hangar

Still lose like half or so on average

Between broken kiosks and packs falling through elevator and ship and stuff

[elder hill]

Do cargo missions ever become bigger than just 3 boxes at a time?

[granite meteor]

I don't think so, but you can queue up several box missions if using the loaner freelancer

[elder hill]

Do you ever need a lot of cargo space when chaining like that? Or should some of the smaller Freelancers cut it

or rather the variants with less cargo hold.

I have such a difficult time using the map or trying to plot quantum jumps

I can't seem to get to a pick up site on a planet

[spare bridge]

what's the best planet for someone in a prospector?

[civic barn]

@elder hill the path finding system is super buggy especially nwith stuff inside planets

[cold robin]

Any mining tips with a prospector?

[fair fog]

@cold robin https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/

https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/

https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-test-mining-guide-supplement-3-11.18087/

Here, three tips

[granite meteor]

Set the beam kinda high, strafe back and forth to regulate power

It is more responsive than the scroll wheel

[cold robin]

@fair fog thanks I appreciate it

[fair fog]

or use G (gimbal) mode to make the head rotate when you move mouse and then use Z to swish laser freely

WARNING, you are unable to turn ship with mouse while Z is on

[granite meteor]

@elder hill sorry for the late reply, but as long as you physically have space, you can queue up as many box deliveries as the game lets you, even the regular freelancer has plenty of space imo

[fleet temple]

how do you guys make money off trading with a msr?
with the rate of bugs, it's almost guaranteed i'll get hit with a 30k, or get thrown out of the ship when QT before i even break even when i lose a full hold from those bugs?

[proud dust]

whaddya mean thrown out of ship in qt

30k you can tell by watching the r displayinfo and its all a gamble anyways

accept its a gamble or dont trade probly

[fleet temple]

i keep getting left behind in space when i quantum jump in my msr

[pliant matrix]

I didn't had that bug since last year when I started with titan

[fair fog]

@fleet temple it's free fly time. Bugs are multiplied compared to calm days.

@fleet temple is game on HDD? Try to go to console ~
Type in r_displayinfo = 1
Look at ENTITIES, wait for them to be mostly stable. When they are growing rapidly think of it like loading screen

[fleet temple]

i just see a bunch of numbers for entities
what is a stable number for enttities?
or as long as that number doesn't fluctuate?

[fair fog]

it will always fluctuate because entities are 3D models, textures, game scripts (like train doors)

If it fluctuates A LOT like 50 000 - 51 000 - 52 000 - 55 000, yeah, something is loading

stable is like 63 200 - 63 205 - 63 195 - 63 180 - 63 250

[fleet temple]

okie

[pliant matrix]

is there a way to block wheels of the roc? when I'm mining I keep moving probably because of the wind and it's annoying

[green sundial]

turn off the drivetrain in the power MFD @pliant matrix

[spare bridge]

would that make it more stable in the back of the Nomad?

they get pretty jittery back there

[last flame]

That’s just an issue with it moving up the elevator into the Nomad’s regular physics grid. It settles after a short while, and eventually won’t be an issue any longer.

[serene quest]

@green sundial genius, I didn't realize it could be turned off

[green sundial]

🙂

[pliant matrix]

thx it helped a lot

first good roc mining run I'm happy xD

132k with 60% of the cargo filled 😁

[green sundial]

nice

[spare bridge]

roc mining is insanely profitable

[nocturne notch]

do you transport the roc with the nomad? @pliant matrix

[pliant matrix]

no with MSR now. too many issues with nomad

[frail knoll]

where do people normally roc mine

[pliant matrix]

I went on arial. it's nice almost anywhere I guess

[verbal wagon]

How minning work? Is there any informations about it ?

[nocturne notch]

@verbal wagon maybe this will help you

[verbal wagon]

thx my lord

[paper forge]

What was the price of Kraken this year? I mean Warbond ver.

[lofty crest]

2k ish

[last flame]

For doing runs around Stanton, what's the recommended S1 Quantum Drive?

Hoping to get from PO to anywhere in the system on a single jump, so need some cross between efficiency and speed

Eh, looks like comparing Civilian Quantum Drives, there's very little difference. 20 seconds or so between stock Expedition versus something like Burst. Military goes fastest but can't cross the system, and Industrial goes furthest, but takes the longest by almost 50%

[pallid temple]

Atlas drive is pretty good @last flame

[robust aspen]

where is the best place to go ROC mining?

[last flame]

Arial tends to come recommended. Aberdeen, as well, but the terrain is much more treacherous, so is more difficult

[robust aspen]

arial it is! thanks:)

[fossil gale]

Does anyone know of or have a 3.11 commodities spreadsheet with prices and buy and sell points etc? I have one but from 3.9/10 and not sure what if anything changed

[crimson mantle]

@fossil gale Knock yourself out :)
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities

[fossil gale]

Thanks

[maiden brook]

pin needs to be updated to this link: https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/ also warning it was last updated 3.9. The pin you have up is broken.

[unique lion]

Done

[mighty hamlet]

having some great runs the past 2 days with no quantanium

got 248k last night

[last flame]

Not doing Quantanium. Not something I had considered! LOL

[cursive dagger]

Anyone mining at the moment?

[coarse cape]

i was a while ago

might go soon

[cursive dagger]

I wanted to test the Mole before buying it. But, no such luck.

[lofty crest]

mole is decent if you have crew imo

[quasi forge]

So question about roc mining for hadanite. When scanning rocks, what do the two numbers on right side of scanner mean? Second one is always 100.00. What's the first? What is it telling you about the deposit? By extension, is there something to look for that's better to mine some spots over others? What's the most efficient?

[crimson mantle]

There's the deposit's mass and the % of the ore in the deposit.

For ROC deposits they are always pure, so they're pretty much all the same. Mass may differ a bit.

[pliant matrix]

there are innert materials in Roc mining too

just when you sell it it doesn't appear

or maybe roc make it disappear? 🤔

[quasi forge]

Is it worth hitting every hadanite you find or are there some formations that re better to hold out for?

[pallid temple]

You don't pick up inert materials when ROC mining

[pliant matrix]

haa ok! didn't know. I was gathering everything innert or not

if only prospector could do the same

[quasi forge]

Yeah roc mining different from ore

[crimson mantle]

The ROC doesn't pick up inert: all the gems you see are hard cash 🙂

[quasi forge]

I'm more just wondering if there's better reasons to land and mine a spot for hadanite than others

[crimson mantle]

Also if you see a hadanite deposit in a ROC: get it, they're all good.

[green sundial]

% concentration in gem rocks still plays a role in how many gems pop out when its fractured

[pallid temple]

No it doesn't

[quasi forge]

I do seem to notice that some rocks yield more gems than others

And every gem counts

[crimson mantle]

(mass x purity)/mass of a gem = # of gems

but really, all hadanite is good to pick up

[quasi forge]

Thx

[green sundial]

I would say ALL gems are good to pick up since we can empty the ROC

[pallid temple]

All gems besides Dolivine

[fair fog]

@quasi forge Hadanite good. Dolvine meh.
Almost full ROC of Dolvine is 100k
Almost full ROC of Hadanite is 250 or so

[pallid temple]

1 full ROC of Hadanite is 220k

[fair fog]

thanks

[half widget]

Now that the servers seem relatively stable, thinking about getting back into trading. Unfortunately, there's those new store inventory limits (added since 3.9?) that make trade runs really painful. What are the strategies for working around those? More diverse trades? Are inventory limits different at different locations?

[half widget]

What planets/moons are good for ROC mining?

[pallid temple]

Arial

[fair fog]

Aberdeen, Daymar. All seem to spawn gems fine. Those two seem to spawn more Hadanite

[subtle wyvern]

Noob here. Where can I get my ROC out when I already have my ship out? I had to go to Port Tessler from New Babbage.

[last flame]

A lot of outposts on moons have vehicle pads to pull out small vehicles.

So just check the moon you’re headed to mine with the ROC.

[subtle wyvern]

ooo Thank you. This makes sense lol

[crimson mantle]

@half widget The strategy I recommend is twofold:

1. Trade in commodities with a high "refresh rate" (https://i.imgur.com/3XNgXCy.png)
2. Trade in rarer commodities, but fill the rest of your cargo in 2nd grade stuff (https://i.imgur.com/vPay6FM.png).

(Images from https://sc-trade.tools)

[half widget]

Thank you!

[quasi forge]

Hoping one day they allow you to spawn a ship with a vehicle already loaded inside

[pallid temple]

That is a thing that's planned

[half widget]

I'd be happy if they had vehicle pads/garages inside the hangars/pads. Problem solved.

Go to your ship, spawn your vehicle, drive it into the ship.

[quasi forge]

Still extra steps that don't really make sense.

If you can request your ship with all sorts of systems/weapons options, should be trivial to load vehicles to appropriate ship slots.

[half widget]

Not so trivial. Think about the wide variety of vehicles in the game. How do they determine what combination of what vehicles of which shapes and sizes can be automatically loaded into which hangars/holds/etc?

IMO, it should be up to us to figure out what to load in and how.

Without flying to a planet with pads for that.

[quasi forge]

That should be so easy. Like how inventory is sorted now. Ships should only be able to hold so many vehicles of certain sizes. Effectively zones where vehicles could fit depending on their footprint. A larger vehicle make take up two smaller vehicles slots. In the ship manager, when selecting your ship, it would show you available slots by size and list of your vehicles. You just select a slot and appropriate vehicle. If you fill a slot with a large vehicle, then the smaller slots get reded out for example

You could still do it manually if you wanted too

Like if someone else launches their own vehicle but wants to load it into your ship

[coarse cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768553629103161345/781323997916561428/ScreenShot0031.jpg

got super lucky

found 2 sets of like 14 hadanite rocks

[half widget]

What planet?

[coarse cape]

aberdeen

[civic barn]

If I don't have ship that can fit a roc what station can I spawn the vechile at where I can drive from there and roc mine

[last flame]

Any moon that has a vehicle spawn terminal. You can use the ROC's on-board scanner to find stuff

You can also spend about 25k to rent a Cutlass

[civic barn]

Any idea what's a good moon

[last flame]

Aberdeen and Arial are often recommended

[coarse cape]

go to anderson on aberdeen you'll see the platinum bay spawner

you're going to need pembroke tho

[civic barn]

Yeah I bought a Pembroke good heads up I didn't know anything about temperature armor

Can the Cutlass black fit a rock in it

[last flame]

yup

[hollow sedge]

hello , is the hull c a good deal please ? for solo trading (just like with the caterpillar) , and why people prefer merchantman than hull c ?

does the fact that the merchandise is in the ship change anything ?

[modern otter]

is there a way to know how much demand there is for a commodity before buying?

I filled up with my ship with stuff and every time I go to a place to sell it only lets me sell like 1k units of it.

And does distance play a factor into payout at all?

[real yew]

So if I park an Ursa and Pisces in a Carrack, then store the Carrack and retrieve it, the sub vehicles are not spawned again?

Also, shouldn’t a ship like the Carrack have their own ship/vehicle retrieval consoles?

[visual karma]

so i bought a Hull C would it be more worth it to upgrade to the Hull D? as far as I can tell only the Hull C specifically is being worked on or something?

[crimson mantle]

@hollow sedge It's been rumored that the Hull-C may not be able to protect its cargo with its shields. Also, it cannot land on planets fully laden and is restricted to station-to-station trades. Still, it's a lot of SCU.
*All of this is hearsay I heard over time. Subject to more recent dev decisions.

@visual karma The Hull-C should come out before the Hull-D, as we've seen images of it.
The Hull-D will most likely require significant investment just to fill up.

@modern otter I suggest you look at the "refresh rate" of the commodity you're trying to trade so you don't run into inventory problems: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities
Distance does not always equate more profit, at least not linearly. For general trade route ideas, feel free to look at https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes

[last flame]

Good lord.

Is anyone else running into issues where your cargo readout for your mining ship says it's full, but when you go to sell, the Refinery terminal says it has like 600 cargo units empty?

[lethal cedar]

I've tried using that site and don't quite get how it works... does anyone have a handle on a good tried and true money earning trade route?

[fleet temple]

are there any real-time commodity trading websites? i don't think sctradetools provide adequate update on station stocks

[last flame]

No site is going to have adequate up-to-date station stocks because there isn't an API to pull from. That's all handled server-side.

So all of the sites are "best guess" based on datamined information in the client. Prices and availability will fluctuate in-game

[bright gate]

Impression they give is a Hull-C is the biggest one that a normal player is supposed to be able to handle.

[last flame]

That sounds accurate. Hull D and E are monstrous machines intended for use with corporations, or at the very least group operations, such as escorts.

[fresh hamlet]

how does the refresh rate works for shops