You have a better chance to find bigger clusters on Arial, 5-6 rocks
#industrial-professions
pallid temple
rugged salmon
So.. Do i melt the prospector or keep it? :p
elder pendant
I'll go back and dig around Arial.
Send me a friend request @rugged salmon and I'll send you 110k aUEC
Then you can use your prospector.
But if I were you, I'd melt it, buy a ROC, mine for a couple of hours, then buy the prospector in game
rugged salmon
So it is worth it? I wont blame you if you say "Ditch it and get thar ROC back"
pallid temple
I mean the ROC's worth it
elder pendant
more than a couple of hours for me...
pallid temple
13 hours of ROC mining and you can have a Prospector in-game
elder pendant
but apparently I suck
silent canopy
I thought we werent supposed to buy anything in game because its bugged?
pallid temple
Well not right now
rugged salmon
If you suck, im braindead.. i felt terrible with the ROC
pallid temple
But that doesn't stop you from working to get aUEC
elder pendant
I also have a prospector and a mole. I think the ROC is my goto right now
rugged salmon
alright, i'll melt it.. lol
rugged salmon
Any advice on where i should go with it? All ive done is burn around on Daymar and it s a rock hell
elder pendant
And I know what I'm getting. With the prospector it's total RNG. Might scan for an hour and not find any Quantanium
pallid temple
Yep
elder pendant
Might find a full load in 15 minutes.... never know
rugged salmon
ok ok.. i get the message ^^
elder pendant
pallid temple
According to the game files this chart is correct
But for some unbeknown reason, what we see in-game is different from the game files
turbid plinth
@rugged salmon you still playing?
rugged salmon
So, is there a facility on Arial to spawn the ROC?
turbid plinth
both can
rugged salmon
I am out of game atm to swap to ROC..
turbid plinth
lathan and bezdek
rugged salmon
why do you ask?
rugged salmon
yeah well, i just melted the damn thing and got the ROC back
I didnt wanna take 110k cash from someone just like that
Returning to SC to try things out and all i do is fail at it.. I used to know things back in the days but, im just meh now
chadmccan, thanks for the offer tho.. reay appreciate it
turbid plinth
well if you're doing any kind of mining and want some company, hmu
sonic laurel
so arial is best for hadanite?
rugged salmon
Chick, right now i need to sleep soon.. which sucks.. i eager to get those creds to upgrade my cutlass etc
good night all and thanks for the help
round lintel
Would y'all recommend renting a Prospector until such time as I can buy one?
fresh estuary
where do you buy the ROC in game, and does anyone know for how much?
pallid temple
You can't buy it in-game yet @fresh estuary
fresh estuary
ohh is it next patch
fresh estuary
so renting a prospector until you can afford one is still the route huh
pallid temple
I mean you can't get much with a stock Prospector, and you can't change the components on a rental ship
fresh estuary
so what are people doing these days to get one? i was getting close to buying my own after doing the rental route for a while before the final reset
there's gotta be a faster way than just running a million cargo deliveries, right? and i don't remember hand mining being very efficient :p
pallid temple
I mean combat missions are all the rage currently
ornate rock
good progression balance isn't really the scope of the alpha, so you can't generally stay within just one profession if you want to make decent cash
white vale
Authorized executions around Hurston
glacial dagger
Sometimes they do be like that tho'
karmic escarp
15 in a row last night was fishy
glacial dagger
Hmm, that doesn't sound right. What were you flying?
karmic escarp
prosp
glacial dagger
Did you try scanning in mining mode as well?
glacial dagger
Hmm. it might have been too big for the prosp. Is it a rental?
karmic escarp
nope
glacial dagger
Have you got a helix on it?
glacial dagger
Can you get a better scanner?
glacial dagger
Dam, doesn't look like you can upgrade the radar
karmic escarp
pack of 10 asteroids, none scannable. I just don't know
karmic escarp
good to know, I'll try that
sonic laurel
where can I find measurement conversions? specifically how many backpack loads is one SCU of stuff
glacial dagger
sonic laurel
dope. thank you
pallid temple
@sonic laurel 1 MacFlex core backpack has 50k storage points of capacity, which is about 0.05 of an SCU if my maths is right
sonic laurel
turns out it's .06
pallid temple
And that link has nothing about cargo conversions
sonic laurel
I just did the math
pallid temple
https://starcitizen.tools/Standard_Cargo_Unit
This is the link you want
pallid temple
Yeah it's exactly 220,200 aUEC for a ROC full of Hadanite
Given the ROC can hold .8 of an SCU's worth of Hadanite gems
glacial dagger
Ah, my bad, sorry about that
And now that the deleting bug shouln't be affecting roc's anymore, it's just pure profit
glacial dagger
Depends on how many you find
pallid temple
No it's 220k/hour on average
sonic laurel
I have a few places I know that have 4-9 had rocks every time so far
pallid temple
It's not that hard to fill a ROC
glacial dagger
Which is gonna be faster, finding clumps of 9 hematite rocks, or lots of ones and twos?
pallid temple
I meaan don't go anywhere other than Arial for ROC mining
So you don't waste time scanning Dolivine rocks
And clusters on Arial are pretty common
pallid temple
Yeah Daymar has Hadanite, but you still run the risk of scanning Dolivine rocks by mistake
Yes Arial might be extremely hot, but it's worth the risk
sonic laurel
is arial hadanite only?
pallid temple
Yes
My advice for Arial? Bring a reasonable amount of water, the Pembroke suit and try and park as close as to the rocks as you can in case you need to quickly get back to the ship
sonic laurel
yeah. my medium armor set with the backpack was allowing 9 minutes of surface time
silent ivy
i agree with @pallid temple if you're serious about your uec/hr in a ROC, just stick with arial
daymar isnt bad, and i generally prefer being on daymar because arial looks like a sky full of urine but you'll spend more time hunting for hadanite
sonic laurel
yeah
I wonder how they will balance the ROC. it seems to be way more profitable than a prospector.
silent ivy
thats debated here often enough
i think a prospector makes more money, but theres effort and learning curve
roc is mindless enough and consistent so many prefer it
tacit mauve
Can you sell a personal inventory crate from inside a Prospector?
Or can you just carry one of those up to a kiosk and sell? Or does it always have to be from a cargo grid?
silent ivy
a PI crate doesnt have to be on a cargo grid
you can hand mine in anything
i wouldnt bother hand picking anything, in a roc or a prospector
tacit mauve
I have been ignoring the ROC gems while in my Prospector but
There’s like 9 hadanite deposits
And I’m like shit while I’m here
On minimum power I can bust them with the Prospector and pick up by hand
silent ivy
yea
sonic laurel
I just did that. me and another guy
silent ivy
just a little tap tap taparoo
i tried it the day the ROC came out but while i was hand picking the gems i realized just how much time i was wasting
and cursed how the ROC was vacuum bugged
i mean, i was using my prospector to crack em at like 90m distance
i guess it wasnt an original idea ha ha
tacit mauve
It’s slow as fuck but Daymar is being a bitch right now and I’m amused by the novelty so far lol
sonic laurel
it's actually really solidly profitable
tacit mauve
I will probably get tired of this
silent ivy
yea just take it to arial @tacit mauve
tacit mauve
Hadanite is such a cool looking rock
Like seriously it’s glassy but like steel at the same time
silent ivy
yea sometimes i get distracted admiring those gems lol
fleet quest
ROC mining is very profitable, now watch it get nerf to the ground making fps mining a thing again lol
silent ivy
imo they should just scale the rest of it up
rugged salmon
So.. I just noticed that Arial is hot af..
sonic laurel
lol
fleet quest
One of the reasons I dont mine there
You have to be going in and out of a ship to not die within 10 min
Tried doing it at night time it's still hot lmao
sonic laurel
just don't be a wimp
rugged salmon
I would say Daymar is the best option then
fleet quest
Best of luck
sonic laurel
you can find gems within 5km of kudre ore
fleet quest
One of the things Iike about this mining stuff is that a planet is so huge it's not like MMOs where you dont disclose a place of profit
sonic laurel
the not closed ones
rugged salmon
oh yes
odd flint
Is there an armor that protects from the heat of arial?
fresh haven
how bad is current patch with cargo runs
elder pendant
@odd flint Yes. Called the Pembroke
agile tulip
Are there any recommended trade routes for my misc freelancer?
astral vigil
@silent ivy Are there any decent routes for the caterpillar anymore though
dapper wing
silent ivy
i dont really run cargo, i did one run in my carrack the other day because i had crew waiting for 1 to join us from bezdek to NB
ran a laranite/titanium mixed haul and it sold immediately, but again, i only did the 1 haul
karmic escarp
the major cities have titanium demands of YES, whatever you can cart there you'll generally be able to sell
silent ivy
if youre ROC mining, ferry it around with a ship and hide out from the heat when you dont need to be exposed to it
sick hearth
Man , roc mining is actually pretty frustrating.
Also can’t store it in cutty anymore without it going brick 🧱
Don’t dare try and transport it with a Connie lol
silent ivy
are you powering down the ROC when you stash it in the ship?
silent ivy
yes
iron badge
any leads on good trade runs with a cat and a million uec ?
crimson mantle
That's what I made https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes for!
Make sure to tweak the dials to your liking: the stock details and minimum refresh rates are especially important with big ships!
agile tulip
Any tips on how to get to jumptown?
oblique sedge
Make sure to tweak the dials to your liking: the stock details and minimum refresh rates are especially important with big ships!
@crimson mantle thanks! Was getting nonsense results. Actually very good resource with those dials. Shame a cat is still titanium runs....
crimson mantle
Yeah supllies are really hard to come by now. If you have any feedback I'm happy to listen to it!
I'm also planning on showing alternative commodities you can haul if you can't fill-up entirely with the main one soon.
iron badge
That's what I made https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes for!
@crimson mantle is it 3.10.1 optimesed
crimson mantle
It is!
@iron badge you can make sure looking at the home page: https://sc-trade.tools/home
cobalt dragon
is there an issue with locations only buying 8 scu of cargo or is this normal?
crimson mantle
As the economy is global, it is shared across all servers. If someone else is or has been buying/selling the same commodity as you, the available stock will be lowered by that much.
That is true when you try to sell too.
cobalt dragon
perfect thanks.
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
You can use https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer to check where else you can sell, or simply check the refresh rate of the shop you're at.
If you wait a bit the shop will start buying again, if no one else keeps selling.
cobalt dragon
ive been using server clicks to sell commodities but with a full connie thats taking forever.
crimson mantle
Yeah, it seems they balanced it with big profit = very little stock/buying power
cobalt dragon
i use sc trade routes so i might just pick profit margin further down the list and hope it isnt being smashed online.
if hidden locations were a bit easier to find id just run e'tam.
crimson mantle
You can filter by refresh rates too: picking something higher might avoid you some issues.
And yes, when we can add personal beacon markers it'll be much better!
cobalt dragon
thanks for all the advice man, really appreciate it o7
cobalt dragon
Dude I’m having a bit of trouble using this site. Maximum wait time, is that how long I want to wait for the terminal to refresh? Amd minimum refresh rate is that how much it will refresh by in 1 minute? Sorry to bother you.
crimson mantle
@cobalt dragon
No problem!
- Max wait time: you are correct. It is the time you are ok to wait at the terminal, given ideal circumstances. (You usually don't want any wait time, but the option is there)
- Minimum refresh rate is how much the shop's inventory will replenish per minute (https://i.imgur.com/NQGQcgE.png this number, on both sides)
On that note, anything you think I could improve in the tooltips to make that more obvious?
agile tulip
Does anyone know a good place to mine with the prospector? Just got one.
crimson mantle
agile tulip
Thanks!
blissful rain
https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/
@crimson mantle 3.9 mate. needs updating
crimson mantle
Aaah, and here I thought that was still the gold standard
@agile tulip seems like that website is out of date, sorry for the confusion
blissful rain
i think its still valid but u can now mine with a roc
not sure about prices
prices are dynamic now apparently
crimson mantle
They are. But you can get a general feel for them here: https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer
blissful rain
nice
rugged salmon
on daymar, using a ROC.. where do i sell the stuff from it?
Do i have to despawn it first or ?
pallid temple
No
You can sell it at any location that has a trading terminal
So you could sell it at an outpost on Daymar
rugged salmon
like where i spawned it
crimson mantle
- ArcCorp Mining Area 141
- Kudre Ore
- Shubin Mining Facility SCD-1
Found with https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer, using the Locations filter "Stanton > Crusader > Daymar", with "Only selection" selected
rugged salmon
thanks 🙂
crimson mantle
My pleasure.
Most mines will buy your minables.
cobalt dragon
@crimson mantle no I got exactly from it what you explained. Real easy to read I just wasn’t sure. Thank you kind sir.
crimson mantle
My pleasure, safe & 30k-free travels!
rugged salmon
damn it.. my ROC is bugged inside the cutlass.. when i enter it, i cant use it or get out again
agile tulip
Can the ROC fit in a misc?
white vale
It’ll fit in MIS too. Tested on the PTU
hollow sedge
can you fit extra rocs in a max
pallid temple
Yes
fleet quest
ROC is bugged for me cant mine with it
It wont "Shoot"
pallid temple
Are you in an armistice zone?
ebon beacon
I'm still pretty new to FPS mining and was wondering, what is the best planet/moon to FPS mine on?
errant root
May not be the quite right channel, so apologies: Does anyone know if the ROC fits (and/or is easily stow-able) in the Connie Andromeda?
pallid temple
I wouldn't use any Constellation ships to transport the ROC
errant root
Just not agile enough? Admittedly, I'm looking more at looks of the ship than efficiency of anything 😅
pallid temple
The Constellations handle so bad in atmosphere
errant root
That's pretty fair. Hummmm. Maybe I'll just use the MAX.
The connie is just so pretty to me haha
fleet quest
Best ship to carry the ROC and still have good atmosphere flight imo is the cuttlas black
Max is just ...... heavy
errant root
Yea, that's what I use now. Like I said, it's less of an efficiency thing and more of the look of the ship. I would probably just buy a cutty in-game
strong mauve
So, what's a good way to make money now from scratch? I have an Andromeda, so I could do some cargo stuff, but is it worth the risk?
Also, is it possible to make good bucks mining on foot (without consumables, ships, vehicles)?
I wanted to rent a Prospector, but for what people told me, it's not worth it unless you can swap the laser (which you can't without exploits afaik)
strong mauve
mining hadanite
care to elaborate? What do I need, where to go?
verbal cargo
need the greycat hand mining tool, Port Olisar should have a shop that sells it.
accept a mission where you try to find a "missing person" that will lead you to a cave to go mining
make sure you buy the 2 attachments for the mining tool
I would just do deliveries tho if you are right near 0
strong mauve
almost, I'm at 50k
verbal cargo
have you seen any mining tutorials?
strong mauve
I was about to do so, but most seem outdated or at least that's what some comments say
Has it changed too much?
verbal cargo
nah, only thing that would change is where to mine, principles of how to do it are the same
strong mauve
oh ok, so you wouldn't recommend the rented prospector?
verbal cargo
problem with cargo is when you get the 30k error it all vanishs and you lose all your investment.
nah, i have a ROC and love it
strong mauve
will see a couple tutorials then, FPS should be, right?
can you store your stuff in a ship? Let's say I mine some and don't want to go back to sell with just 1 backpack of minerals
granite meteor
Buy several backpacks, swap them when one gets full
Unequip when done and unequip your multitool too
Backspace to suicide fast travel back to the last station
But yes you can also do it legitimately by opening your personal inventory and dropping the mineables as a box into your ship
You should be able to sell from your ship after that
strong mauve
did not even know that existed (item finder)
granite meteor
strong mauve
microTech - New Babbage - The Commons - Plaza - Shubin Interstellar
nice
thanks both!
granite meteor
Nice, happy to help out
jovial berry
Soooooooooooo, can you scan medium sized rocks with a carrack?
rich bane
i belive you can scan anything with any ship
pallid temple
Yes
granite meteor
Oh nice, scanning mineables is no longer limited to just the prospector and mole?
rich bane
Btw, mabey wrong place to ask, but is there any workaround if interaction mode not working? "F" without restarting the game
blissful rain
ionic needle
The being able to set your spawn point by just hailing, and avoid setting it by EVA Ings is really cool info. Eva is something I would like to need to do more often, much rather than getting on shit trains
drifting palm
ANYONE mined with the ROC and where is the best to mine for hadanite?
most profitable
ionic needle
D A Y M A R
Just hang out at arcorp 141 just outside of the NFZ spamming the scanner and wait til someone comes to explode u
At least that’s what I see a lot of miners doing
Ariel is boring definitely don’t go there
pallid temple
Arial's better for ROC mining @drifting palm
ionic needle
Lies
glacial dagger
Can confirm that @pallid temple is very much correct
ionic needle
Doc, ppl mining on daymar is better for me
Daymar is prettier...
Think of the screenshots
glacial dagger
But with mining, it's not about the looks, it's about the finances
rich bane
Thinking should i get CAT or Mole next, though i have ROC and Prospector already
elder pendant
Depends on what else you own. Do you have a Carrack? I'd use it for cargo before I'd buy a Cat. Mole would be far down the list, if you have the other two miners.
rich bane
I'll probably try trading next and get CAT
lean wedge
So, once the issuewith falling through terrain is fixed, I'm looking to give fps mining a try. Are there any spots or caves with quantum beacons?
pallid temple
No
iron badge
Does PO take less Laranite as it once did ?!
languid pilot
yeah AFAIK you can't trade anymore at PO
*in bulk
you can at area 18 or maybe lorville
but i'm not sure
agile tulip
Whats the best rock to hand mine?
pallid temple
Anything with Hadanite
rich bane
Every time i try Ship mining again after ROC mining, i only get dissapointed
lean wedge
Not seeing investigation missions. How do you hand mine, now?
strong mauve
@lean wedge I had no problem finding one in microtech, maybe go there?
arctic nova
I can't stow mined ores into my inventory no more, does anyone know why?
agile tulip
IS cargo still profitable?
autumn halo
max 120k profit
agile tulip
So should i just stick to hadanite mining in caves?
mystic vigil
is asteroid belt mining any good right now?
i've been mining on yela and i look up at that asteroid ring, and I'm like "that would be a nice change"
strong mauve
should I melt my Taurus to get a cutty + ROC? Or what else can I get for $165 (including package)
astral vigil
how much laranite can lorville take at once usually?
agile tulip
How much can i make an hour ROC mining?
elder pendant
If everything goes perfect, 200k ish
verbal kraken
@mystic vigil astroid mining is hit or miss, some of the rocks are bugged atm (cant scan) so if you run into a string of them its bad, but you can get nice quantanium fast up there.
agile tulip
WHat is the quickest way to grind atm?
mystic vigil
@verbal kraken my first trip there was a hit, i got a full load of quantanium and earned 53k aUEC in the asteroid belt around Yela after getting absolutely nothing worthwhile on the surface
karmic escarp
with 30ks and server hiccups you don't lose anything, but having an 18% quant rock vanish right out from in front of you still hurts
mystic vigil
something doesn't make sense tho
the quant becomes unstable and eventually explodes your ship right?
if it's unstable like that, then why does it even exist in those rocks in a stable state?
verbal kraken
It probably has to do with its chemical makeup
once its exposed to oxygen? energy? temperature increase? it becomes unstable
mystic vigil
ohh that makes sense
but like, over the lifespan of those rocks, they've probably collided with a lot of things
i'm probably looking too deep into it
woeful gazelle
@mystic vigil & @verbal kraken if you're interested in asteroid mining around yela, I wrote a guide that might help clarify a few things:
https://sites.google.com/view/starcitizenminersguide
it also contains a workaround for non-scannable rocks
cloud slate
What places can i sell ROC cargo at?
lucid ridge
any trade console in the city i guess for sure at po
cloud slate
ok cheers ill take a gander aaye
nova dagger
any terminal that you can buy/sell at
the same location where you spawned ROC probably at some planet
you can in other building sell your stuff
cloud slate
Thanks 🙂
wind summit
Oh you can sell roc stuff on the planet??
cloud slate
rip coming into PO to sell with full ROC cargo and game crash...
iron badge
PO doesnt take bulk laranite anymore right.. any other palaces that do take full caterpillars ?
iron badge
Does sc trade tools look apart from time / profit also look at
- enough storage to buy
- enough capacity to sell at tradeport
iron badge
very happy with the tool but we need a tool in the future that filters these aspects as well in real time 😄
cloud slate
and since your sharing refresh rates with every server now i presume itss hard to get enough laranite to fill a cat unless your willing to wait a while xD
iron badge
not that i am able to do so , so thanks to the maker anyhyow
cloud slate
id love a ingame tool that tracks it like a stock market type deal
iron badge
jah that would be the best thing
cloud slate
indeed
iron badge
or even better , that you can buy this tool at microtec for your caterpillar
cloud slate
id even be happy with that as well
iron badge
so its not a standard feature
cloud slate
just somehow to look at prices and stocks ingame via the internet on our mobiglass
quartz laurel
but im doing these full cargo, clean hauls in like 15 minutes on average
@silent ivy , it may take you 15 mins on average to mine it, but it probably takes you another 30 minutes or more to find.
outer scarab
how to i properly store cargo on the freelancer, i keep placing things in my cargo bay but when i go to sell them it says my shup is empty
rich bane
Have you tried pick it up and place it again?
outer scarab
lots of times ive placed them in all areas of my ship but it never gets recognised when i sell on a trading terminal
rich bane
Cause i remember when we used to store like ores in crates
After we created one we had to pick it up and drop it again
Otherwise it won't get registered
outer scarab
ive tried placing them on different areas where it says cargo on my ship but never works
verbal kraken
@woeful gazelle ty didnt know about th quantum trick to fix rocks
woeful gazelle
np 🙂
verbal kraken
Thats alot of unbroken rocks in 1 spot...
karmic escarp
oopsall copper
verbal kraken
naw theres about 500k in agri, trit, and larinite alone
karmic escarp
just found a new mining bug that turned all my cargo into 100% pure quant
pallid temple
That's not a new one, its been around for a while
karmic escarp
ah, nvm then. Is there a bug report I should comment on to help isolate the cause?
hollow sedge
best trade run for a andromeda?
crimson mantle
@hollow sedge play around with https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes
hollow sedge
ta
mystic vigil
DAMN IT
I found a 15% Quantanium asteroid, and held W for a bit too long
I'm dead lmao
round lintel
Yooo thanks for this tool
arctic nova
Is there a workaround to fix the issue where mined minerals can't be stored in inventory after this last update?
round lintel
I was able to store minerals in my inventory but it took about 5-10 seconds of waiting between each rock for the inventory to become available again
zealous rose
is vice worth running these days?
ornate rock
I think there are a few people who can actually make money with it, but for the most part it's a noobtrap
people fill up their cargohold and then spend days sitting at grim hex trying to sell it
agile tulip
Besides ROC mining is there anything that's good for making money?
round lintel
Claim jumpers, Cargo, 890js if youre bored
I hear Quant mining is good but you need a prospector for that iirc
agile tulip
IS there any good place to quantum mine or is it just random?
karmic escarp
just go to yela
Jump to Yela from PO, jump to the next OM clockwise, jump towards crusader and cut jump in the middle of the asteroid belt. Scan around for a >10% quant rock and go to town. Crack everything that has quant in it first before doing any extracting.
agile tulip
Alright thanks
karmic escarp
there are a few bugs you should be aware of, some detrimental that you can hopefully play around, some beneficial
- Rock won't scan: initiate and immediately abort a quantum travel, this may allow you to scan. Don't bother with rocks that don't have orange stripes, only quant rocks have orange stripes
- Server lag and hiccups: sometimes progress will freeze, then the server catches back up and has overcooked your rock. Bring the rime mining consumable to address such emergencies as losing a good quant rock is really painful on the time investment.
- Weird things go on with the ship inventory, sometimes selling isn't selling, quant will stick around in your ship and may blow it up later. Keep selling until it says the ship is empty.
- sometimes rocks will end up saying they are 100% inert when you know they had stuff in them just moments ago. They seem to corrupt your inventory to be something other than the full load you picked up, my experience has been they stretch the contents of the first rock across the whole inventory, so pick up 100% quant rocks as your first rock if you don't want to end up with an inventory of junk.
3 and 4 are mostly things that happen from time to time. Bugs, exploits or w/e they're not consistent as far as I've found.
white vale
You can fix the rock won't scan bug by jumping out your airlock and rentering your ship
Thats worked for me 100% of the time (of the times where I didn't randomly die upon re-entry to ship)
karmic escarp
I've also run into rock is scannable but not mineable but that seemed to be with pending 30k
ivory bluff
i've had a lot of trouble lately with the cutlass' back door when roc mining
it gets stuck quite easily if you land on rocks or something and won't open anymore
i wonder if someone has noticed this and knows a workaround on how to open it?
takes a lot of time to blow the ship and start over :/
thick crown
Use 3rd person to land?
rugged salmon
I never ever land near rocks... it ends bad most of the times 😛 USe F4 and look around you with Z, makes your life much easier
wispy moth
anyone doing any belt mining ?
ivory bluff
it sometimes does that even without any rocks nearby, not sure why
anyway i somehow got it working again this time. spammed all the open/close/lock buttons a lot and sat on chairs a few times. not sure what triggered the door to open
rich bane
I just always leave doors open ^^
loud vigil
@indigo raft I leave my door open when I use the cutlass
pastel nimbus
does anyone know anything about asteroid types?
hollow sedge
Best place to mine/sell hadenite?
pallid temple
Ya, bring water
hollow sedge
@pallid temple bought water, stowed it, now its gone?
pallid temple
It'll be in your personal inventory
amber obsidian
Did they fix the asteroid bug ?
arctic nova
any work around for Penbroke undersuilt having no inventory space available?
pallid temple
Use another backpack, the MacFlex core
pastel nimbus
what astroid bug
asteroid*
last time i went it mined perfectly
but that was ptu
rich bane
What's the average income on trading with CAT atm, Is it faster then ROC?
mystic vigil
yo prospector pilots, do you prefer the brandt or optimum consumable?
hollow sedge
i perfer the trade for a roc
hollow sedge
rip
mystic vigil
tbh i like the belt tho
alright name change
@mystic vigil
prospector suits me better
atomic lark
astral crystal
are the novikov and pembroke armor inventory fixed?
hollow sedge
nope
astral crystal
ok ty
pallid temple
Use another backpack
pallid temple
Well, you take the water out of your backpack.... and then put it on the floor of your ship
....like any other normal person would
hollow sedge
cut the attitude
astral crystal
no will vanish?
pallid temple
It won't
pallid temple
Yeah I've been getting jebaited by rocks a few times
ornate rock
apparently you can scan them after leaving and reentering the ship
rich bane
idk, did some testing, and i'm quite sure
freelancer is much better detecting ROC minebales then cutlass
odd flint
Are you sure you aren't just having issues with the angle of your ship / scan pulse?
rich bane
i just always fly low
though flying cutlass is at first is bit odd
since it's nose faces always down, so need to hammer that space always
odd flint
Try flying cutlass in VTOL or not VTOL mode, and see which you like.
If you have your nose too low, you might just be scanning down in to the planet.
rich bane
I'm pretty sure flight system still needs lots of tweaking
sometimes i feel like some ships are not effected at all
odd flint
In vtol you have huge vertical thrust and pretty low horizontal, so it takes a long time to accelerate and decelerate
But your fuel burn for hover is way lower, and you tapping space gets you a lot of altitude.
rich bane
Can agree on that it does add trust
BUt yah, if it's true, need to test it then
Freelancer is fine too for hauling ROC
but it flies like TURD compared to cutlass on ARial
Though i'm pretty sure flight system will get massive tweaks in future anyways
Cause atm, it's funny how big difference is flying Cutlass or Freelancer is on arial is atm
odd flint
Freelancer flies like a turd everywhere compared to Cutlass, except in quantum 😛
unique lion
On the topic of scans you scrolling the mousewheel up/down changes the focus of the scanner. Could've accidentally made it incredibly focused in the cutlass by mistake
Scrolling it all the way up to x128 literally just fires a scan pulse in a small cone infront of your ship, which would make it horrendous for finding anything. As an example
rich bane
Nah, I have around 500 hours experience one mining so, that's not the issue :D
But mabey that's true ship angle may effect scanning
Never really paid attention to this
Probably test again tommorow
Kinda had a bad luck today to :D
Decided to do some mining with roc after work
But almost 4 hours in game and made no progress
Cause of constan 30k
And buggs
- slow asset streaming etc
Literally made 0uec today :D
silver dove
Enyone knows if i can sell slam at CRU L5?
hollow sedge
does anyone want to help me roc mine by flying ship and dropping water. i will pay 50k for every run if you want
dm me
pallid temple
220k per hour
atomic cipher
it has its own storage right
atomic cipher
im just noticing some major trade value changes rn
after the patch
im thinking i might try mininhg
but im debating btw the pros and the roc
pallid temple
Well pros are its fun and engaging, probable con is that its not an enclosed vehicle so you do need an undersuit, and you'll most likely need either the Pembroke or Novikok suit whilst using it,
atomic cipher
im more into which generates faster
cus i have 2 options
i can scrap my arrow and get the roc
then use it to buy one in game
pallid temple
Basically
pallid temple
4 hours with the ROC and you'll have an Arrow
atomic cipher
maybe i dont need the arrow at all
pallid temple
Which Vanguard is it?
atomic cipher
i was thinking harbinger
its cheaper
and has those neato mini torps
emp looks fun but never tried it
pallid temple
The Harbinger is 2,050,000 aUEC, so about 12, maybe 13 hours with the ROC and you'll have a Harbinger
pallid temple
You can sell the stuff from the ROC at anywhere that has a trading terminal
pallid temple
So you could in theory return to the outpost you got the ROC from when you're done
PO is just a no-go for trading
atomic cipher
i see
but like
for example
what u mean
is that i have an roc, fly it over to, some site on daymar or smth, and just mine and sell to that mining outpost
without leaving
pallid temple
Well, you need to leave the outpost, you won't find much relatively close to the outpost
atomic cipher
true
one more question
if i melt my arrow
should i unequip the gear on it first
pallid temple
I would
atomic cipher
like the stuff i paid for incase i get another one
pallid temple
Yeah
atomic cipher
ok
i might try the roc
and just fly around in a cutlass or freelancer
cus i dont have a cutlass
atomic cipher
id rather borrow someones
nearby
cus if im sticking with it i can leave it unlocked
as long as i own my roc
right
pallid temple
Probably
upbeat igloo
is there any secret trick to using gallog etc? i mean the amounts of materials im supposed to buy to fill up my cat are way higher than what i can actually get
cunning patio
well
titanium from bezdek to PO has consistent stock
but only nets you around 80k each time
i’ve heard some of the moons around microtech have decent medical supply runs
ryder on ita has astatine but the buy and sell lately have been ass
upbeat igloo
where do i get info like that? like which trade route is good atm
bold hearth
Got a dc from server last night right as I hit the purchase button and then it wouldn’t let me join the same session.
So my cargo is lost
cunning patio
rip, i accidentally alt f4’ed before i landed at bezdek
and i had a 30k with like 300k worth of larinite onboard
agile tulip
Best place to ROC mine?
elder pendant
Arial
agile tulip
Thanks
strong mauve
that or microtech. Only hadanite rocks at mT
lean heart
i can buy GREYCAT in game?
idle silo
No you cannot buy the ROC in game.
lean heart
So you can't take Greycat roc in game?
round lintel
You can but you have to pay 50-55 real dollars and then it'll show up at any terminal you can summon ground vehicles from
But you cannot perchase it with aUEC
glacial dagger
Yet. Hopefully that will be coming sometime soon
languid drum
Are there any fresh info if its fine to fly Hull C solo? I try to choose a cargo ship to pledge to fly solo. RSI website is outdated...for example min crew for Caterpillar is 2, but its perfectly fine to fly it solo.
round lintel
I mean, none of the Hull line is out yet but I can't imagine it being functionally impossible to fly without.
sonic laurel
selling widow at grimhex hurts my soul
round lintel
I have heard that selling Vice is technically very profitable if the market wasn't oversaturated to the point it takes forever to offload
crimson mantle
You can use https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer to check where to sell your stuff and use the "Show stock details" option to see inventories and refresh rates.
Vices are pretty rough though. Grim HEX buys a small amount at high price, and only the "No Questions Asked" Trading Consoles buy a lot, but for cheap.
Technically Grim HEX is the only place to make a good profit (for WiDoW), but it only buys Max 600 units + 10/min, which is bought-out in 6 SCU...
unique lion
Valier did you make that tool/site
round lintel
That reminds me, I've never tried actual cargo missions until now, are all commodities governed by a supply/demand system? IE, I can't just keep running between one mining outpost and Lorville selling gold back to back
amber obsidian
@pastel nimbus asteroids disappeared after disintegration
agile tulip
Alright, thanks
odd hinge
Best spot to hit quantanium in the Verse?
@tacit mauve i believe the ore spawns are just RNG at this moment, don't think there is a best spot to find a certain material yet
oblique sedge
Is T&M still Russian Roulette with griefers? How are the 30ks in this patch?
odd hinge
30Ks seem to be decently absent
Russian roulette really seems to be RNG
My advise personally, just take 1 player in a combat ship with you, drop in, ping with the scanner and see if it pings anything other than the outpost
if it does, just get out of there
oblique sedge
My advise personally, just take 1 player in a combat ship with you, drop in, ping with the scanner and see if it pings anything other than the outpost
@odd hinge thanks that makes a lot of sense
odd hinge
Yeah, the pinging system is odd
As it can mark targets, that are far out of targeting/lockon range
wicked elk
Whys that odd?
rich bane
I don't think it's odd at all
pallid temple
Noo its odd
odd hinge
It's a bit odd in my opinion, that the ping can detect stealth ships till a range of like 15KM, while it might not show up on the radar till like 3KM range
Makes it difficult to sneak up on folks who are constantly pinging, in a stealthship
thick crown
It's active vs passive scanners. No problem, actually pretty great.
Using active scanners also should broadcast your location.
crimson mantle
@unique lion yes, SC Trade Tools is my project :)
@round lintel you are correct: prices fluctuate with how much supply is left at an outpost, based on a simple curve. And shops will get sold out at some point. Although for cities that's unlikely: they buy/sell in massive quantities.
The downside is that they take much longer to buy from/sell to.
naive maple
Is there anywhere that you fill a Caterpillar? I got 260 SCU of astatine at some facility but that was it... where can I buy a full 560 SCU of Titanium or Astatine?
cinder rampart
shubin mining facility sal 2 then sell at a18 TDD
titanium
that place can usally fill 2 cats in a row..
and its about 100k profit
crimson mantle
You can also use https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes, setting a reasonable minimum refresh rate of 1000-1500
naive maple
shubin mining facility sal 2
@cinder rampart nice!... which planet is that on?
cinder rampart
Lyria
and when you land at a18 you can just off you self.. then you will spawn right next to TDD.. if you wanna decrease max time spent
just remember to fly through the landing tunnels..
naive maple
I’ll check it out! Is the auto exploding Hangar Bay 1 at Area 18 fixed in this patch?
cinder rampart
never had an issue at a18 as loong as i follow the new landing/restricted area system
crimson mantle
@naive maple there are plenty of options 🙂
cinder rampart
well they take longer.. but are good options too 🙂
crimson mantle
Ah, well I'd be happy to update the travel times! I just need more data: https://forms.gle/MwpBhG8eK5oBKvnQ7 😄
cinder rampart
as soon as i get enough money to fill my cat. ill update with some of the routes i use.. (offed all my money to org acount to start from scratch, when i got all ships back ) 😄
crimson mantle
That's a good way to go about playing the game too! It's good they gave back our ships.
cinder rampart
yeah. but a little but of me kinda wished i didnt.. i now have like 9 cats.. and im never gonna use more than 1 or 2 if i get a pilot lol 😛
naive maple
It's good they gave back our ships.
@crimson mantle thx for the info!... your site has come along nicely! Congrats!
crimson mantle
Thanks! And let me know if you have any feedback, there are still things that could be made better!
naive maple
SUPER happy about the ships being returned! My in game purchases fleet is... well... extensive!
peak bronze
can i fit two rocs in an andromeda on the elevator?
If not, could i fit two in a Freelancer MAX?
lunar moss
does anyone know if the greycat roc has any other purchasable mining heads
crimson mantle
@lunar moss The only mining laser for the ROC is the default one at this time
grizzled grove
@peak bronze You can fit 2 ROCs in a normal freelancer so it should be perfectly fine to do it in a MAX. Maybe you could fit 4 of them. The Constellation elevator is finicky with the ROC, sometimes it flips it over.
peak bronze
Thank you. Is it pretty easy to drive the roc into the Lancer max?
grizzled grove
yes, the wide ramp makes it way easier than the regular lancer.
elder pendant
Two fit in the max with ease. Three won’t fit.
They will horizontally but you have no way to get them out. You can actually turn around inside the max in one 👍
peak bronze
Thanks!
shut sentinel
Anyone else's ROC bug out when storing your ship with it in it?
Cant power on or exit the ROC.
pallid temple
Yes its a known issue
cinder rampart
is there a trick to collecting rocks with roc.. i just mined a hadanite rock. and it hat like 20+ stone but i onlu gave me .50% that dosent seem right
mental quiver
how's cargo trading been so far for people?
crimson mantle
It works well if you dodge the server crashes, you just have to carefully plan what to sell and where now.
Since the stocks of the shops are shared across servers, you may run into sold-out/bought-out locations if you go for rarer commodities.
mental quiver
wow that's impressive and frustrating all at the same time haha
I know I've been comparing prices more actively instead of just trying to stock up on one resource
crimson mantle
If you need an extra hand in planning your route, I humbly suggest you check out https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes, where you can make sure you only go for well stocked commodities by using the filters like so: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
mental quiver
I've actually been using your tool and gallog side by side trying to find the best paths or commodities to trade 😄
crimson mantle
Great! I'm happy to hear that :D
Let me know if you have any feedback, I'm always listening.
mental quiver
yeah absolutely! I definitely need to get a bit familiar with your site for the fine tuning stuff, but it's clean and concise
loud vigil
After mining arial where is closest place to sell?
crimson mantle
@loud vigil You can also use https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer, with a filter on Arial, to see where you can sell close-by 🙂
wind knot
how can i farm for a prospector without waiting for half an hour to fill up the freelancer cargo while trading? Is bounty hunting viable?
crimson mantle
@wind knot You should trade only well-stocked commodities to avoid the wait times. You can do so with https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes while using the filters like so: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
wind knot
I'll try, thanks
crimson mantle
My pleasure! Let me know if you have any feedback.
wind knot
i've used the site already, it's great, nice to know how to use the filters properly
crimson mantle
Maybe I should add some tips or something to make "Minimum refresh rate" more obvious.
wind knot
like "You'll need to stand there for an hour if it's below 2000"
crimson mantle
Hum you made me think of something. I'll add an item to the roadmap!
silver dove
the time to go out from the prison is realtime ore in game?
cunning patio
real-time
wind knot
Just spotted, the diamond sell value at grim hex is actually lower
crimson mantle
@wind knot Yeah... since there's no way to know about the state of the in-game economy, the website always reports the "most optimistic profit to be made" (https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq)
wind knot
right, forgot about that
crimson mantle
Yeah it's too bad. But maybe we'll have a way to hook into the economy at some point!
round lintel
Honestly why hasn't your tool been pinned yet
ivory bluff
what a wonderful time I just had with the ROC, being on the same (almost empty) server for hours and hours x0
and the tractor beam actually scoops up all the gems at once, and almost instantly
it's even possible to switch to tractor beam when still fracturing the last couple %, and the beam just grabs the stones from the air as they spawn. once in a lifetime experience T_T
unique lion
when you get a sec Keider go ahead and post the link to your site by itself (or with a description doesn't matter to me, link alone just looks cleaner imo) and I'll pin it for you
actually meant to do it before, which is why I was asking if you made it, but by the time you replied I think I was asleep/away and it got away from me
unique lion
https://sc-trade.tools
easier for you to reference now rather than typing up a long thing now for every person that asks lol
crimson mantle
Very true, thanks again
unique lion
np, thanks for the tool, all I did was pin it. you did the hard part
drifting falcon
is there a bot still that shows u trade routes and stufff
crimson mantle
@drifting falcon I don't have a discord bot for https://sc-trade.tools/, but feel free to try the website!
drifting falcon
ight bet thx
agile tulip
is there a trick to collecting rocks with roc.. i just mined a hadanite rock. and it hat like 20+ stone but i onlu gave me .50% that dosent seem right
naive maple
Here's what I've learned... Dynamic pricing means there are NO good trade routes... if you find one and others discover it, it will become SHIT... so ...
what I need to know is what is Good prices...
Astatine
Titanium
Laranite
Agricium
Diamonds
What are good purchase prices for these goods?
that way, whether you run across a couple hundred or a couple thousand due to "dynamic supply" or "dynamic pricing"... at least you'll know whether to buy it or not
mental quiver
@naive maple I think your best bet is starting here https://www.gallog.co/commodities/
that way you can at least see what the margin looks like at the lowest price and get an idea of where it sells for the best
naive maple
it doesn't even have what is selling where correctly yet for 3.10.2 ... but thx, I'll take another look'
mental quiver
thats true, it isn't updated live but the highest prices of what it sells for are accurate from what I've seen
as far as the lowest prices, I'm not 100% sure, but it's a start for a baseline of what you're looking for
naive maple
and... 30k
crimson mantle
@naive maple You should look up the following for raw data: https://scunpacked.com/commodities
It's up-to-date
Price is set according to how much is left in a shop. So you are correct: when it's almost sold out profit won't be as high.
One thig you can still do with SC Trade Tools is use the "Show stock details > Minimum refresh rate" filter to set a very high refresh rate, like 10k, in essence making sure that the commodity will be highly stocked.
naive maple
@crimson mantle I did that as well... I thought I had found a route, when I got there, Astatine was selling for 7.8 ... ie ... NO PROFIT
crimson mantle
For example, diamonds at Tram & Myers Mining is almost an endless supply.
That's fair. I'll try to see if I can get the website to display the least amount of profit for a route too.
Or maybe the highest buying price/lowest selling price.
Thanks for the input.
naive maple
Yes, but a full Freelancer MAX of diamonds (well 110, not 120) was purchased for 87,679 and sold for 89,760... thats right, risk 88,000 to make 2,000
Or maybe the highest buying price/lowest selling price.
@crimson mantle I am starting to realize that with dynamic pricing (buy AND sell) as well as dynamic supply/demand... the ONLY THING THAT WILL MATTER is Minimum and Maximum values
crimson mantle
So least possible profit instead of highest possible. Yeah that's understandable. I'll see if I can derive the values in a next update.
It's a bit more math because only the price curve is detailed in the game files (instead of the straight up price), but it should be possible.
naive maple
so if you happen across some port and they only have a little of something (leading one to believe maybe the supply has already been exhausted from repeat runs) you could screw up and not buy!... but if you knew the best and worst prices for this commodity in the verse, you would KNOW whether to buy or leave it, not just guess
Perhaps you could put the 2 static numbers (min/max) in the name of the Commodity... like.... "Astatine 7.4/8.9" as the NAME of the commodity
so even just entering a location of where you are will show what is for sale there and whats its min/max value
round lintel
Is the Pisces big enough to carry an ROC?
round lintel
I have heard that getting an ROC in the Freelancer is a pain but IMO cheaper than buying the Brawl Pack or upgrading to a Cutty and buying the ROC
odd hinge
it fits, it needs some "motivation" though yeah
round lintel
I was thinking of upgrading my Stang Alpha to the ROC because it would hurt my wallet less and then just using the Loaner Freelancer and ROC to get enough for even just a Merlin, just so I have a second ship now that Persistence is in, and worry about saving up real cash for a new pledge ship for when/if characters are wiped again
odd hinge
It's a decent option atm
keep in mind though, that the free freelancer you have, is going to be removed once/when they fix the glitch
round lintel
Yeah
odd hinge
And don't go for a merlin, it's a snubfighter, so you can't quantum travel with it :/
round lintel
I mean with an ROC I could probably get enough money for a new Freelancer MAX in a few hours
Also huh did not know that, thank you
I love the look of the Merlin but unless I get into an ORG that's basically a deal breaker
Also which glitch, the one where the hanger spawns a glitched out ship or just can't spawn it at all?
odd hinge
Yeah, it's a good one to keep in mind
The glitch where you can't load into the PU, as you either crash, or get infinite loading screens
round lintel
Ah, thankfully I haven't run into that
odd hinge
As a workaround for that one you have a freelancer, so when you get that glitch, you can go into arena commander, and log off from the bed, which should fix it
round lintel
Good to know for later but wow, I would never have thought of that
odd hinge
Yeah, it's one that isn't too clear for newer or returning players
frank adder
@crimson mantle you tool is awesome for beginner thanks for that mate
hollow sedge
whats the most profatable route for max
round lintel
Anyone know where on Arial you can go to spawn your ROC?
odd hinge
Any mining outpost should allow you to spawn ground vehicles @round lintel
round lintel
Well I'm at Bezdek and I can't see my ROC on the menu. I can summon the Mustang Alpha that I traded it for so maybe it just takes a while to actually work?
odd hinge
did you buy an upgrade from the mustang to the ROC?
odd hinge
If so, double check you applied the upgrade.
And then make sure you close the game, and relog in the launcher
odd hinge
no clue
round lintel
I did not apply the upgrade, good to know
odd hinge
that's the reason then yeah 😂
You actually got to apply the upgrade, and then relog
As for some reason they don't update your ships list on the fly
round lintel
Whew, this is a speedy little bugger, I was not expecting this much zoom
odd hinge
yeah, it has some spice going for it
round lintel
So I should probably be wearing the Novikov for mining on Arial correct? And it's inventory is bugged.
Oh no not the Novikov... What's the other one
pallid temple
Pembroke
round lintel
Yeh that one. I'm fairly positive that the shop in Lorville sells it but I'm not positive I could get there, buy it, and get back before autostorage kicked in. Is Arial the best place for ROC mining or is there somewhere better with less of a spicy personality?
pallid temple
No
round lintel
I see. Well, to Lorville I go
oblique sedge
I think the Pembroke rates to 225 degrees. Arial pushes 300 so you will need loads of water.
pallid temple
Pembroke protects you to 225 celsius, at 300 celsius it effectively starts insulating that heat inside the suit, which leads to hyperthermia
oblique sedge
TILD. Tks
round lintel
So what you're saying is don't stray too far from my air conditioned ship, gotcha
pallid temple
Yes
round lintel
Thankfully I made sure to load up on waters and some food through like three sets so I should be gucci as far as needs go
Finally go to start mining and oop, get out of the ROC accidentally while trying to get my headset plugged in because the battery died
And the rover just. Disappeared.
crimson mantle
@hollow sedge Try https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes and play around with the filters to find your ideal trade route.
crimson mantle
I can assure you it's patched for 3.10.2. Although the dynamic economy make precise estimates impossible (https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq).
hollow sedge
I can assure you that every route I’ve tried from that website is out of date
crimson mantle
In any case, Astatine and Titanium runs are going to be your best bet.
hollow sedge
where is titanium
crimson mantle
So you won't have the precise profit numbers because of the dynamic economy, but you have several options depending on where you are:
hollow sedge
I know how to use the website
pliant matrix
is that possible to have volatile rocks other than quant?
crimson mantle
Mining outposts on Lyria > Port Olisar
or
HDMS outposts on Arial > Lorville
@pliant matrix I believe quant is the only volatile material
pliant matrix
ok I just arrived po and seems I've 0.000% quanta xD nice bug
crimson mantle
@hollow sedge Fair enough, I was only trying to help :)
If you have any feedback I'm happy to hear it!
I know the precise prices not being in sync with the servers is annoying, but so far I haven't found a good way to hook into the dynamic economy model. At the very least it can tell you where stuff is bought/sold.
If you're more interested in the raw data, https://scunpacked.com/commodities has you covered.
round lintel
So what exactly is the difference between Medium and Large nodes? Like is it just mass threshold?
rich bane
So is cargo hauling/trading with CAT step up in terms of uec/h from ROC mining?
odd hinge
Currently not anymore i think
Believe the ROC has a better payout, without the dangers, but not sure
crimson mantle
I don't know about the ROC, but a caterpillar can make ~250k/hour doing safe trades reliable trade. The problem is the 400k initial investment.
odd hinge
that
The ROC is a lot less dangerous investment wise
same with the MOLE and Prospector
rich bane
I have over 9.2 million uec and that's all just from pure ROC mining
Just thinking should I bother buying cat and start trading
ornate rock
try it and see if you still want to after you lost all cargo to a 30k
crimson mantle
Without iCache large hauling will stay risky, but it could be a nice change of pace if you're getting burned out from mining.
rich bane
Alrighty, actually I wanted to try somewhat trading to spice things up a bit
It just I had feeling
That trading isn't so op as it used to be
ornate rock
tbh, the activity that gives the most money is always the one you also enjoy. not point in doing an activity that is theoretically good for money, but you end up not doing it cause it sucks
crimson mantle
Trading has been "balanced". ROC mining may very well get balanced in the future too, but for now it's the outlier.
ornate rock
pretty much why I don't go ROC mining, I think it's super annoying, I make more money in a prospector.
rich bane
Idk I have the feelings the roc mining is somewhat fine at current gamestate
pallid temple
If you think its super annoying then why did you do it?
odd hinge
i mean, prospector and mole can earn a lot more than the ROC with good RNG
rich bane
They need to buff ship mining
odd hinge
but ship mining is RNG based with the ore spawns
rich bane
Probably it will with refinery
ornate rock
I think prospector is probably less money per hour over longer sessions, but if you just have half an hour, it beat the ROC
rich bane
But let's be real getting 10 mil with roc takes lots of play time
odd hinge
like it should
you should not be able to farm millions in a few hours of time 😂
Unless if you have massive investments
ornate rock
getting 10 mil with any activity takes a lot of time, which is why I say to do stuff you like to do
rich bane
I'll probably get a cat just for Luls then, have the spend money on something anyway
round lintel
So my ROC glitched out and I had to exit and relog and ended up in Lorville on a new server. I'm going to bed but when I log back in will my ROC still be on the planet with my cargo or is all that work lost
ornate rock
buy 2000 greycat buggies and drop them onto area18!
pallid temple
No @round lintel
rich bane
:D
ornate rock
but ye, with 10 mil, just grab a cat and see if trading works for you
there is also a workaround that is supposed to help with 30k issues
crimson mantle
@round lintel if you are not on the same server, you cannot get your ROC back.
round lintel
Fantastic
rich bane
I would have bought MOLE , but sadly my friends don't play soo
round lintel
Could always hire other players
ornate rock
even with friends I'd argue that you are better off with several scouts and a prospector
rich bane
I believe you ^^
ornate rock
I've not tried myself, but the mole is pretty pointless right now. apart from it maybe being fun once or twice to mine with more than one person
I've not found a single rock in the game the helix I couldn't deal with
I just hope they allow thruster upgrades soon, the prospector really suffered, even in space.
pallid temple
The Prospector's ironic in atmo
Given how the Prospector was sold as a surface mining vehicle
rich bane
mole would have been great if we didn't have crashes, cause of cargo size
crimson mantle
Trading would be also great with no crashes 😄
ornate rock
I doubt the cargo size really makes it worth it compared to a prospector. at least with quant I grab maybe 50% to 70% valuable stuff, then I pick up some trash to top it off and fly back
a larger cargo hold wouldn't change much
rich bane
But yah once again, ship mining probably will make a comeback when refinery comes
ornate rock
I prefer ship mining as a semi afk activity
rich bane
I remember when they first introduced quantanium, there was so many of it in yela belt
Pulling 1 mil in 3 hours was easy
pallid temple
Doesn't Quantanium look visually different now?
ornate rock
there is still a decent amount, that's where I mine pretty much exclusively
rich bane
It does
ornate rock
you need to be pretty close to see the difference
pallid temple
Somewhat
rich bane
It was broken for so many patches
pallid temple
I still get jebaited by false positives
ornate rock
I never had an issue with them
ornate rock
how were they broken?
rich bane
I mean the time where scanner would pick up 2-3km Max range :D
odd hinge
The scanners had poor range, often rocks did not show up on the pings, and oftne the ping would just refuse to fire as well
And then the rocks would sometimes not get pinged properly when you got closer
ornate rock
I never really had that issue, and 3.9 is where I mined the money for a prospector with a rental prospector over one weekend
odd hinge
a lot of people did have those problems though
it was a general complaint from a lot of folks
ornate rock
but on planets, finding rocks is a piece of cake anyway, with the LOD pop-in meme. scanner is just optional
rich bane
Scanner worked fine in belt though, mabey that's why you didn't notice
ornate rock
I mined both on daymar and yela belt
ended up doing more belt mining cause it's just easier to fly when tabbed to different monitor
rich bane
Flying prospector feels quite fine on daymar, but annoying on yela
ornate rock
posted this during 3.9, don't think it has changed
scanner optional, eyes good enough for scanning
rich bane
Yah eyeballing works well too
ornate rock
I should actually try mining on a moon again, see how bad it is
rich bane
But yah also right now game can be quite stable depend if you get lucky with good server/instance
Sometimes I had days where I was connected for 6+ hours
And also had times where I made 0 progress with in 3 hours
ornate rock
yesterday after I took out one array, I got the mission to repair it right after
ornate rock
nah, wasn't my intention... I just took it in the hopes of preventing someone else doing it
tho I'm not sure if it does
finite pine
I've documented my trade runs as of late. Don't know if it's of any intrest for anyone else but it might help to get an idea of the general profitbillity of trading. I've been using my Carrack and been a bit careless with investing most of my capital in each run. A 30K would've set me back a lot. But what's life without a little risk? 😄
ornate rock
you didn't experience any disconnects in that time?
crimson mantle
That's neat. Any idea what your travel times were?
finite pine
Iv'e been very fortunate and not had any 30K since last patch
around 20m per run i think.
The last couple of runs with pure Laranite I've had to wait for stock to refill so they are longer
ornate rock
I'd really like to see the actual times on that
odd hinge
the runs quickly take more time than you think
i though i took like 15 min for a run, till i actually timed it
and found out i took around 30 minutes per run
finite pine
I could note the time for the next runs
ornate rock
ye, something like landing in new babbage with a cat alone takes me ten minutes from space to hangar
(tho I suck flying the cat)
would be great if you could
odd hinge
Yup
crimson mantle
Trading is indeed deceiving in how long it takes to get off/land. If you ever want to contribute some data, feel free to fill https://forms.gle/MwpBhG8eK5oBKvnQ7 once in a while 🙂
odd hinge
then you have the train rides as well
ornate rock
I mean you can avoid trains if you avoid cities, but just landing on a moon and taking off again probably takes a while at least in a cat
I think carrack is much faster
odd hinge
The train ride in lorville takes a fair few minutes
Yeah, you could avoid them
but the primary landingzones tend to take in larger stocks
at an outpost you might get stuck being unable to sell your stock
ornate rock
suicide usually also speeds things up
tho I personally try not to game the system too much
crimson mantle
That's very true: nothing comes even close to cities in term of buying capacity. It's orders of magnitude more (10-100X) that of outposts.
ornate rock
I only suicide to avoid eating and drinking 
odd hinge
also, the trains have rng
if you can run in instantly
or need to wait 90 seconds on the next one 😂
finite pine
I can say this. I'm a fucking pro at landing the carrack in the hangars in lorville and A18 by now lol
grizzled grove
at least in microtech you can land next to the commons surface exit, probably saves more time than what it takes to QT over there 😆
odd hinge
can you sell the cargo when you land there?
grizzled grove
yep
odd hinge
Also, that would leave your ship vulnerable to rammers though
grizzled grove
I guess ramming is a threat but the time from landing to sell is very short
wind knot
does anyone know how to find Devlin Scrap & Salvage on Euterpe?
naive maple
I haven't seen any Quantanium in ages!... Anyone know where/if Quant is spawning?
round lintel
RIIIP
Can't pull out my ROC at either of the pads at Arial
round lintel
Anyone know a way to keep the ROC from sliding around when I'm not moving?
pallid temple
Turn off the engine
round lintel
So immediately after I asked that I found out I can stop it by holding D so there's that too, but good to know about the engine
verbal kraken
Found a potential fix for 30k's while mining/trading!!!
had a 30k with a cat holding a full load of laranite... go in game and spawned in my ship to find... NOTHING... flew to PO to log out and figured, might as well see if its there by some miracle of a doubt. Selected my cat and it showed 0 in the hold, but at the bottom it showed my full load and i was able to sell it. Have had this happen with my ROC before to.
crimson mantle
Good find. It does seem like when you are within the armistice zone of a location it will "save" your ship there. The issue is when you get "saved" at an outpost that cannot spawn your ship, etc.
Where were you going from/to?
round lintel
Is it better to sell an ROC full of Hadanite at an outpost or a city?
crimson mantle
@round lintel https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer: it's the same base price everywhere.
Although if a place has bought a lot recently, it will buy for less.
verbal kraken
ArcCorp mining area 045 on wala, went to the space station and landed to set that as my save point, then left from there to PO
had the 30k in quantum in route
crimson mantle
Interesting. And your ship ended up parked where?
verbal kraken
when i came back it was "claim" able at the space port, then flew from there to PO