industrial-professions

[random patrol]

Haven't had issues with them...just crunching

[rough haven]

which contracts/ships have you been crunching? previously my goto was unverified but they seem to have disappeared.

[random patrol]

Anything I run across...no contracts

Anything that can be cracked with the moth

[rough haven]

ah right. I was making around 1m an hour crunching unverifieds on MOTH release with the 32scu buffer.

[random patrol]

Its 64 on each side

Total I mean

[rough haven]

really? I thought it was 64 total

[random patrol]

64 total in the buffer

[verbal tangle]

I dont know if its intended or bugged, but in case you didnt know, the MOTH right now can munch a Perseus

[random patrol]

I ran across half a ironchad last night...300+ but only got the 64

[spare cloud]

Still ? Never did. Not for contracted cargo.
Idk about trading, in theory it should work like every other ship, but storing probably causes the ship to fold ? So you retrieve it folded with cargo on the spindle, asking for problems.

[verbal tangle]

I am genuinely really excited to start running the chad once its fixed, but its in a ridiculous state for a brand new release

[random patrol]

Im big on flying around the armastice zones with radar range set at 25km looking for ships further out, radar pings etx...I find a lot salvage that way

[random patrol]

So many abandoned out there

[night saddle]

i remember calling station cargo to load and unload hull c

[native aurora]

The hull auto unloads well if you don't store it.

[night saddle]

oh wait i said still in hull b, i meant if hull b allows it

[native aurora]

Hull b

[verbal tangle]

Just to follow up on this, I am pretty sure the Hull series recalls in the same state it was stored. if its in cargo config when you hangar store it, I think it should be in cargo config when you pull it out of the hangar again

[native aurora]

It does

[spare cloud]

Your question is "does Hull B still allow auto load like Hull-C"

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[night saddle]

still as in not "is it the same as before", it was as in "just like the hull C"

but ya

does it?

[spare cloud]

Ty, haven't tried the B nor A so I couldn't tell.

[native aurora]

Yeah the hull will store and retrieve however you had it

B

Dang phone

[night saddle]

oh yeah, i noticed the hull B does that

unfortunate it doesnt work for contracts

[verbal tangle]

The answer is no. The Hull C abaility to ask for cargo permissions where you fly up and it starts loading/unloading is Hull C exclusive

In the Hull B, if you land and store the ship in its cargo configuration, you can purchase and sell commodities directly to the ship cargo grid. But for all contracted cargo it must be manually loaded and unloaded.

[night saddle]

i wish the hull series all had the capability for contract cargos

[spare cloud]

Would be a mess anyway with the awkward grid the B got.
I wish the 2x32 SCU grids aligned in length would merge so you could snap 24 SCU containers in the middle for example.

This ship would truly be golden if the grid wasn't like this.

[native aurora]

That would be nice. I love it as is but that would be awesome

[verbal tangle]

Yeah its not terrible for what it is, but it definitely could be better with some quality love.

But theres a lot of ships that need some TLC

[native aurora]

Yeah way before the hull b

[wise stump]

Does anyone also have issues with breathing in the ironclad?

I am kinda safe behind in the cockpit chair rest of the ironclad with helmet or without i still die

[keen garden]

yes, that’s one of its many issues

[long grail]

any reliable way to find ranta dung?

[keen garden]

At a certain point the pressure is high enough that even in heavy armor you will suffocate

Find a planet with it and skim along the surface? You can occasionally find outposts in pyro that are farms and have plots of it

[celest sluice]

Go to the caves at Daymar.

[long grail]

idk my eyes are bad

i never see shit there

[celest sluice]

There's 3 caves close together. Within 100' of walking in. Hit T to turn on your light. Left hand side.

[long grail]

where?

[celest sluice]

There's an outpost nearby. Not sure of the name.

[keen garden]

Most outposts on Hurston “hdms” have caves

Not sure if they have dung tho

[vestal ravine]

I got back my first refinery order of CM the crates came back empty. Is that normal?

[verbal tangle]

Its a bug, throw empty boxes away and when refining is done you get new full crates

I dont think you can even use the empty boxes can you? just unintended bloat on the server

[lofty drift]

for ship mining does anyone know if there is a way to determine the mass multiplier for planets?

[novel harness]

Is mining bugged? i am shooting a 26k taranite rock with full crew mole and surge charges and its not moving

19% resistance, 151 instability

[vestal ravine]

Ok thanks I ditch them later in space.

[keen garden]

Sometimes there’s bugged rocks

Also if server fps is below 12, don’t mine there

[novel harness]

why?

[keen garden]

Several reasons. One, server FPS dictates how long scanning takes and how consistently active scans can find rocks, Two, the worse your server’s fps is the less responsive controlling laser power is

Three… at about 4fps rocks just stop cracking consistently, they’ll go full orange and just sit there infinitely

[tall vigil]

So the Pitman laser can be crafted now. Does that mean the Golem's laser is now interchangeable?

[tulip vale]

hey, has anyone been able to get the hull c salvage contracts to spawn?

[keen garden]

My understanding is they got rid of them

They were awful salvage targets at that price point anyway

[tulip vale]

i thought so...thanks

[tulip vale]

were you able to actually confirm this statement with something official or did you just didnt get any?

[keen garden]

I was hoping to find the ship pool in scmdb but it ain’t working for me atm

[tulip vale]

yeah scmdb is smwhat broken rn

[keen garden]

it was relayed to me by someone else who does a lot of salvage, not first hand knowledge

[tulip vale]

okay, got it. thank you for your kind answers

[mild cloud]

So is does anyone plan on doing refuelling?

[keen garden]

Seems like a silly profession to me

An important role for dealing with edge cases at best

[cunning valve]

Is there a way to guarantee the RMC only salvage missions? I tried the accept/abandon stuff but it isn’t as reliable as usual

[obsidian reef]

scmdb does not show Hull C salvage missions. Only extra large ones are A2, C2, M2 and 890J

[keen garden]

Probably works similar to shubin. After a certain rep level the lower easier missions become unavailable to you

[tulip vale]

unfortunately i can confirm this

[keen garden]

If they at least made the missions profitable relative to TDD prices it’d be ok

But no you can easily lose double the payout in profits turning in refined materials to shubin at higher tiers

[pearl juniper]

Then do that... The only reason to do the missions instead is for the other rewards they offer (blueprints). Once you have those (if you want them), just sell to TDD instead.

[keen garden]

Sure. I’m just stating that the balancing here is bad

I’d prefer we had non-collection contracts to do instead that don’t have this inconvenient trade off of rep vs profits

Even if we had to pay a fee to access it

[mystic swallow]

Welp, I tried to go out in Vulture + IC, Vulture can't scrape and servers ate my IC guess the only thing that remotely works is Intersec missions

[tulip vale]

i had luck yesterday with a vulture and starlancer max, worked pretty well without a lot of hiccups

[keen garden]

I rented a salvation to toy around with and found that it couldn’t reliably pay for itself

I mean it could,

but like…. After quite a few hours

[mystic swallow]

idk if it's bad luck or a skill issue or something else but I'm tired of it I'm gonna play something else man x)

[keen garden]

using one ship to haul another (especially one known to have dozens of gamebreaking issues) is a bad idea generally

It’s not luck

You can usually make up for the potential issues if you aren’t solo and the carrier isn’t an IC, but

The IC is broken in way too many ways

[mystic swallow]

I guess, but damn it, I wanna use the IC to go on extended mining/salvaging runs, I should be able to but the game is too broken rn to allow for it.
I'll wait for a more stable patch before attempting it (also I'm sure free fly doesn't help)

[tulip vale]

yeah i know, thats what im thinking, the ic would be real fun as a mobile base for extended industrial runs

[mystic swallow]

yeah it's the perfect solution to the problem of "oh you've mined/salvaged for 5mins ? sorry you're filled to the brim, please spend too much damn time going back and forth your closest space station for unloading and reset"

I wanna go on and IC loaded with drake ore pods (and a golem or 2) and come back 3h later with 1000 scu of random ores

[tulip vale]

yup

[keen garden]

Here’s some of the issues, ignoring the IC specific issues:

if you need to leave the ship in space for any reason, the marker back to it can be inaccurate, meaning you have to manually fly back to where you think it is.

If you are forced to log off, for example if you fell through the world, both ships are gone unless you have a way back onto the correct shard.

Ships currently seem to have a chance to just disappear randomly, when left unoccupied

Every bag or box you load onto the ironclad has to later be unloaded, aka it’s often more work than not using a cargo/carrier ship

[mystic swallow]

For your last point, isn't it possible to store the IC and select it as a source when refining ?

[keen garden]

If the docking system works, yes

Wait, it doesn’t dock does it?

[tulip vale]

it doesnt

it takes a large hangar

[keen garden]

So just a large hangar, yes they should work

Though I’ve had it not before

I used to use an M2 for solo mining trips all the time to haul bags, but it over time just got worse and worse with the issues that ruin my day

[tulip vale]

so true

[novel harness]

What is the best place to mine for cash?

[cunning valve]

@keen garden thank you for the response. I’m doing the contracts for the 5 blueprints so I’m definitely low enough to be getting them they just aren’t showing consistently. Maybe ill just do the condensed rubble one just to finish it

[keen garden]

Personally I’d just do the fee salvage contracts all the way up

Make some money along the way

But only if I actually had a vulture

Rentals is a risky bet for paying for themselves

[cunning valve]

@keen garden I will! But those don’t reward the blueprints so I want to get all those before leveling up the rep

[keen garden]

Ah

[nocturne wadi]

Hi are there any websites where i can look for placese to mine different ore?

[keen garden]

Scmdb is my goto

But generally the star map in game is good enough

[shadow geode]

Alright, I’ve got a question for everyone who does industrial work here:

I know that cargo hauling can be good money, it is basically the beginning go-to, but it gets boring.

I thoroughly enjoy salvaging, and it can make really good money as well, but may take longer; however, it is engaging, which helps.

This is the main question: IS MINING WORTH IT?? I have people tell me yes, and people tell me it is the most trash mechanic in the game and I should never even attempt to try it

[native aurora]

Mining can make decent money but not as much as hauling or even just running gillys.

I mine for the love of the game

[keen garden]

It can be far more profitable once you get into selling to the player market

And… generally selling on the player market for aUEC is pretty safe, don’t bring it up the elevator until you are paid and you’ll never get scammed

[native aurora]

yeah thats true, player market is much higher margins

i make so much running cargo i dont worry too much about it. i just enjoy mining. cant wait for the arrastra to come out.

[storm storm]

So, how are yall making money? Ive been running bountys, good money but boring and wanna try something else out, hauling has been bugged for me

[native aurora]

cargo from salvage contracts

i average about 10 mil a gaming session, more or less

[brittle kraken]

Yeah I’ve just started doing this. Grinded to Senior and the C2/M2 missions are good money makers, A2 missions seem to have a lot less cargo. Have you grinded to a higher rep? If so what other missions can you get?

[native aurora]

nah nothing else after that to grind for. sr contractor is all you need. i abandon the a2 and 890 jump, only take the m2 and c2

[brittle kraken]

Yeah my servers wouldn’t let me abandon so I just had to blow them up, hopefully it will be better with the hotfix. Where do you sell? I’ve been using GH but is there anywhere better?

[native aurora]

well i blow them up when i get the cargo. the new cooldown timers for contracts, its better to complete the contract than it is to abandon it but the a2 and 890 are a waste of time.

i sometimes find myself in a spot where they wont spawn and i have to make a few jumps to get them to reset.

[thorn marsh]

anybody know what the expired quantanium fuel canisters are for?

[native aurora]

i tried out getting refueled with a beacon. pretty dang neat. it does cost a lot more than doing it in a hangar though. you pay for the convenience i suppose

[pearl juniper]

are the ships flyable, or do you need to transfer the cargo to your own large ship?

[native aurora]

transfer

[frail cypress]

How long is a session for you?

[native aurora]

usually 3 hours or so.

today ive been on for about an hour and made 4.6 mil so far.

profit/hour highly depends on how much titanium spawns

[brittle kraken]

But even if your getting iron it’s still one of the best methods out there. I tried with the ironclad which was very slow due to the bugs. But once it’s working properly it will be very good. Super easy to load with the top tractor as long as you line it up to the Hercules rear ramp right. Easy to use the turret in the same seat to open the door too.

[native aurora]

i use a hull b when im solo and my buddy has an ironclad we use when he is on.

the profits are much better when its mostly titanium but the iron and nitrogen sell for decent too

i didn't care for ironclad solo for this situation. but with 2 its great

when it works

[chilly kelp]

Quick question for those who sell their salvage stuff, is the best place to sell GH? Also is it worth taking all the cargo or only the big stuff then blow it up after

[cunning valve]

Are there any good haulers I can rent at defensecon today as a solo player? Besides the Freelancer? I’m grabbing that one right now

[chilly kelp]

You can rent the argo raft at lorville for super cheap, its rlly good

[cunning valve]

@chilly kelp yes that’s my go to to make some early money. I’ll grab it once defensecon is over depending on how much money I have

[chilly kelp]

If your struggling to get the first like 100-500k its worth doing gilly combat flight school as mission 5 is pretty easy and like 100K plus per mission

If you have any sort of medium fighter you can make lots of money quickly

[cunning valve]

I have about 500k from salvage to start. I just want to work on my hauler rep and save up for a Taurus that I can purchase

[chilly kelp]

What rep for salvage do you have atm?

Once you get so Sr. Contractor you can get herules salvages and they come filled with cargo, what i do is grab them with an argo raft go sell at NB, GH or any other big city / station and make lots of money

[cunning valve]

Man I’ve never seen an in game event before this is really cool ha

I only did 5 contracts for the 5 salvage blueprints. Then just scraped a bit. Looks like I’m not even Jr Contractor yet for that

But yes I’m excited to rep grind all the industrial professions

[delicate girder]

Can the Hull B take the same bulk cargo deck autoloaded contracts that the Hull C can as long as they fit? If not now, is it coming?

[heady remnant]

whats a really good ship for cargo hauling? ive been thinking of getting a hermes

[plain burrow]

in my experience C2 for profit (now we have ironclad eheh) and catterpillar/hull b for multi missions in hauling
hull c broken dont bother
hermes can be good but you limit the speed of atls in a way, just bit longer than external cargo or good fat hauling bay on ships (but it's good ship for combat too so why not)

[cerulean lichen]

Anyone know where I can find low mass savrilium? Everything I keep finding in nyx rings so far is like a mass of 50k or more

[hoary hinge]

Gentlemen (et al), before I commit a CCU upgrade, is there any reason to retain a Zeus CL instead of upgrading to a Connie Taurus?
Other than sex appeal, because Zeus is art.
(CCU chain ends at Persy but I'm waiting for Railen to provide a nice jump next month)

[plain burrow]

gambling is back

[native aurora]

Hull b and hull c are both very good for selling salvage cargo. C2 is fine but it only really shines in a hangar with an atls and proper positioning.

Hermes and raft are solid for smaller capacity.

Ironclad and ironclad assault are both very good picks that work really well for cargo but have a slew of problems right now and need at least 2 people to really shine. It's so fun to use when it works though

[steady swallow]

question..for refining the ore bags do they need to be on a Mole/Prospector for refining OR can the bags just be in the station inventory and be able to refine from there (without a ship)?

[agile oyster]

Where is the intro covalex mission ?

[delicate girder]

I've been lead to believe that you can complete (get rep for) the Adagio salvage contracts without having to deliver the SCU(s) of salvage material. Is there a way to do that?

[jovial matrix]

Some salvage missions will have you turn in RMC/CMAT/Components to complete the mission, but other simply want you to scrape a ship to complete the mission. You don't actually have to scrape the ship to complete those missions though, destroying the ship will still count. So you can just fly around and shoot the ships to quickly finish contracts and up your rep

[keen garden]

both work yes

can also refine from ore bags on a cargo ship

[delicate girder]

So there's no way to complete the ones which require handing in RMC unless you salvage ... or possably carry some SCUs of RMC to pass of as the salvage?

[novel harness]

What is the best place to mine for cash?

[frail cypress]

That place with the 1000 quality ores you can sell to players

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, as far as I know

[random patrol]

You have to turn in the rmc if its part of the contract.

[random patrol]

If we knew we would all be there.

[vestal ravine]

I just started those last night. Scrape and turn in as needed. Isn't there a website that shows the mission list for each level?

[random patrol]

Smdb.net

[vestal ravine]

How did this run go? It is generally crazy and dangerous as you suggest. What was your cargo ship?

[obsidian reef]

scmdb.net*

[vestal ravine]

Thanks, Just signed into their Discord channel!!

[random patrol]

Thats what I said.

[storm storm]

nah u said smdb.net

[cerulean lichen]

Is it possible for savrilium to spawn as lower mass rocks? I’m having trouble finding anything I can mine with my golem.

[random patrol]

Derp

[obsidian reef]

I'm not gonna get gaslit here

[obsidian reef]

savrilium might very rarely spawn in smaller rocks but it will barely have anything in there in terms of amounts

golem in general is not made to be able to handle such rocks

[random patrol]

I misread the post so you're safe.

[cerulean lichen]

So rent a mole I’m assuming?

This savrilium is the last stuff I need to be able to craft JS400s. I was able to collect the other materials using my golem and mining gadgets.

[craggy tapir]

whats the signature for space scrap?

[spare cloud]

Still 2k afaik.

Mod 2k.

[craggy tapir]

wasnt that changed?

[spare cloud]

Not according to my 4.7 experience and scmdb.net

[random patrol]

Its 2k or a multiple

[obsidian reef]

yeah or maybe a prospector with stampede and surge could work too

[obsidian reef]

agreed with the rest it's 2k per panel or even ship according to scmdb

[storm storm]

could i buy RMC and then turn that in for the contracts?

[olive gull]

yes, well.. on prev patch you could, had not tested this one yet.
so, should be able, yes.

[agile oyster]

Is covalex better then red wind and Ling Family Hauling ?

[keen garden]

Has good blueprints at minimum

[obsidian reef]

nothing speaks against it

same thing works for mining missions

[storm storm]

im testing it rn

yup it works

[obsidian reef]

you won't get the missions solely for rmc for much longer anyways

[sly robin]

my mole keep having the nose going down ...

[keen garden]

You probably cracked a rock with the shields down and damaged a maneuvering thruster

(or popped a rock in the red zone)

Pad repair fixes it, or you can Eva around the ship and repair all the maneuvering thrusters with a cambrio

[last marsh]

Hey, with the Vulture, how do I swap salvage modules without using the tractor beam

[obtuse sierra]

red wind has high pay but I'm thrown off by later contracts having several drop off points

[keen garden]

Use the vehicle loadout manager at a hangar

[sly robin]

things are way too fragile now on ships

[last marsh]

no no like how do I swap from Cinch to Abrade while salvaging

[keen garden]

I haven’t actually done any mole mining yet this patch, but last patch the mole rarely ever took damage with shields up

[sly robin]

I mean even on fighter

[keen garden]

Ah, on the bottom right you should have keybinds listed if you haven’t disabled it

[sly robin]

cannons going red with a mission or two

[keen garden]

I mean…. Hate to say it but that’s probably more of a skill issue, if your shields are falling you’ll start taking component damage

[sly robin]

No bro

Why does everyone have to bring the skill in a discussion whenever someone has a problem omg

[keen garden]

🤔

I mean, there’s two ways your ship takes damage, ballistics, and getting hit by lasers with shields down

[sly robin]

My cannons get red just by shooting

[keen garden]

That’s not how it works,

[obtuse sierra]

if that IS happening you should report it (with evidence)

[keen garden]

Maybe you were shooting fuel tanks, and the explosions got you?

[sly robin]

so my cannons are red but nothing else on my ship, right

[keen garden]

If it’s a ship with decent armor such that most npc weapons can’t penetrate it, the weapons would be the only thing they can damage

That and thrusters,

[obtuse sierra]

oh did armor get implemented beyond just % damage reduction? i've been out of the loop for a bit

[keen garden]

Yea, and then nerfed/buffed

It’s more or less non-existent for light to heavy fighters, with a couple exceptions

Just acts as a second hp pool for them

For larger ships with high deflection they become immune to things without enough alpha

Like gatlings and repeaters can’t damage the hull of an idris (or c2 or starlancer etc, large ship), till the armor is worn down

[agile oyster]

The Sr. Contractor refueling mission pays 450k
I wonder how many per hour you can do
it seem like It could be a easy way to make a lot of uec ?

[kindred falcon]

why must you do this to me star citizen...why

[keen garden]

What did it do?

[ripe salmon]

anyone what is the auto route trade route of 4.8

[keen garden]

just click the stack all button

[kindred falcon]

doesnt do anything and you cant manually stack em

[keen garden]

You might just be desynced

Give it a few min

[kindred falcon]

it was like that for 2 days

its still sitting in the belly of my carrack

[keen garden]

Just open it and wait

This happens a lot with gems

Worst case scenario, move a small number of them to another box using a cargo elevator

[pearl juniper]

isn't that still turned off?

[keen garden]

Nah, it works very well

As long as you aren’t desynced

My current strategy to minimize these issues while geo/hand mining is one 2scu box per gem

If the box is getting full, start skipping that gem, etc, and because I only have one gem type in a given box, it’s easy to manage it in the cargo elevator

I sort the boxes on the grid to make it easy to find the right box

8scu box in the back for overflow/supllies

One other thing is it feels like the geo boxes dont break themselves anymore

It still lets you overflow the geo box with the geo by like 2x, but I went a full session without needing a new box

[sly robin]

nah even with full repair, store and retrieve the mole has the nose going down

[kindred falcon]

if only the carrack could support that lmfao

[keen garden]

Why can’t it?

Plenty of room in that back vehicle bay for geos + boxes

[kindred falcon]

im joking around cause you mentioned cargo elevator lmfao

[keen garden]

🤔 guess I just don’t understand carrack issues

[kindred falcon]

its got decent cargo capacity, its just a royal pain in the ass to contend with

ui be tweaking rn lmfao

[keen garden]

If you can I’d start by removing the fake gems

Like the black one in the second row

And don’t make the mistake of throwing it on the floor of your ship

[plain burrow]

would remove all quality below 650 if you dont sell it (blueprints 650+ better in majority of case and 850+ keep it at all cost)
if you bulk sell yeah its annoying ui rn x)

[keen garden]

I turn everything below 500 in for $$ and rep

[plain burrow]

oh you can below 650 because the gain are rly not worth it below that

[keen garden]

Yup

[plain burrow]

winning 1% speed woa xD

[keen garden]

Or comps depending on what it is etc

[plain burrow]

sell it to new players who dk how it works yet massive profit

[keen garden]

I mean… there’s huge profit to be made on low quality gems, IYNYN

[plain burrow]

yeah crafting low quality components and reselling them

rafinery bugged rn i wont risk it until they fix

[eager holly]

anyone had any luck with autoloading/calling cargo at stations working this patch? (aka hull c)

[keen garden]

Hull c autoloading wasn’t touched afaik

Unlikely they’ll do anything with it till they replace it

[gusty sleet]

was wondering both of these questions, you ever get an answer? also thought about just selling in pyro or somewhere else people arent mass selling for better rates

[keen garden]

Terra mills is usually best for rmc

There’s a HUR station that is a refinery and has a decent price for cmats

Minimizing logistics

[chilly kelp]

tbh for the cargo i take, i just sell it en mass at GH or NB, any of those sorts of places not super worried about getting my max money

If you want to go for max money you could stockpile a load of resources at a station and take it on induvidual cargo runs ig

but i havent tried that yet

[gusty sleet]

did you end up only going for the big cargo boxes or you grabbing the small ones too?

[chilly kelp]

tbh i only go for big boxes, unless its titanium

[gusty sleet]

same

[chilly kelp]

Then ill take even small boxes for titanium

[brittle kraken]

Double handling cargo is pretty inefficient so probably isnt even worth it

[keen garden]

Only makes sense when not solo

[frail cypress]

Is it possible to steal npc or salvage claim ships?

[olive gull]

yes and yes

to steal an NPC ship you gotta use distortion weapons to disable it instead of just blowing it up

[frail cypress]

What about ships from salvage contracts? We managed to land one in a hangar but asop didn't see it so it couldn't be stored.

[olive gull]

no, those belong to the system, they used to be completely disabled, amaze you were able to start it, they must changed that on this patch

[frail cypress]

Most of them are disabled, but a few can be started. Everything works, they are just damaged.

[astral leaf]

Refinery has been completely fine for me this patch. I’ve refined many loads of CMAT

[nocturne wadi]

can anyone help me mine savrilium in rock breaker the a lot of stones are impossible for me

[brittle kraken]

#looking-for-session

[plain burrow]

it's for you then it go randomly from 50% to 0% ore when bugging, i see no point doing it sadly

[astral leaf]

Could be an issue with mineable only

I have not had that issue at all with refining Salvaging materials

[tough rapids]

NOOOO Commodity Hauling got a secret Nerf? I was making millions yesterday. Now I just lost so much money in Silicon???

[pearl juniper]

prices change. dynamic economy stuff. too many people trading the same thing and the buy price goes down so that something else becomes the best trade option

[verbal lintel]

Just discovering these new salvaging contracts past few days. How does the money work out now for RMC and stuff? Ive been using them for contracts because i want the rep, but are they still worth more sold directly?

[shy echo]

the straight rmc -> money contracts are abt equal tbh, might as well build the rep

[verbal lintel]

Im enjoying this loop anyway since I cant really do player comps anymore

[shy echo]

but the ones where it also wants rubble or whatev arent as efficient since they pay the same as the variants where it only wants the rmc

so like why would I take the mission that asks more for less ykwim

[verbal lintel]

i assume RMC is still the more valueable material

[shy echo]

usually is

I havent checked the most recent prices of refined construction material tho so maybe its worth it with larger ships like the moth or reclaimer

lets see, seemingly abt 15k scu per cm rn, quite a bit higher than I remember, might have to give it a shot

[agile oyster]

Is it worth it now to sell the components and guns from ships you’re salvaging ?

[old vessel]

Just made 6.6 mil in one hour with my c2

[agile oyster]

Nice!
how ?

[old vessel]

Salvage

[shy echo]

Id say so, if you mean to the salvage missions

You can exctract the components as you salvage ships

Just gotta have a setup that can hold it (anything more than a solo salvation basically)

[shy echo]

Didya park a salvation inside it or smthn?

[old vessel]

Yes for parts and enc

Rmc

[shy echo]

Nice

My endgoal this patch ngl

Or maybe an asgard to be a little more versatile

[old vessel]

I think you can fit it in Asgard but idk if you’ll have room for parts

Or the rmc boxes

You can rent a c2 tomorrow

[shy echo]

You can def fit a salvation in an asgard

[old vessel]

So just give it a try and go for the smaller ships because you can’t pull s3 components off and it takes a lot of rep anyways

[shy echo]

Perhaps

I will consider your advice

[old vessel]

Yea I mean it’s a free rental

So worth a try

Worth seeing if you like mothership salvage

[verbal lintel]

Sounds like rmc in a solo salvation would take forever

you got abrades on it?

[old vessel]

Yea but it’s really the components

U can do the shubin missions with them and the rmc

Get a lot of money and rep

[verbal lintel]

Shubin? Thought all the salv contracts were from adagio

[shy echo]

Salvation is currently the same as a vulture yield wise I believe, for rmc atleast

Assuming you swap out the default heads

So having a mothership for capacity is p neat

[astral leaf]

Was the profit primarily from the cargo of the salvage ships?

[silver creek]

so this is valid then?

i was thinking about that recently but wasnt sure if id be better off with something like that

[hasty lintel]

Where can i sell construction materials in a reclaimer? Orision wont let me dock/land and New Babbage and Area 18 wont take it

[astral leaf]

Oh dude, I literally have an entire RITUAL to avoid that

[hasty lintel]

o

[astral leaf]

I offload my Reclaimer in EVA into an Ironclad then I fly the Ironclad to a Refinery station and land it there and store it

[hasty lintel]

o nah

[astral leaf]

Literally my entire salvaging gameplay loop is to AVOID docking the fucking Reclaimer at all costs

However, you might get lucky at Levski

[hasty lintel]

id rather die than take that semi truck to levski

[astral leaf]

That’s why I do all my salvaging locally around a station in Pyro

And just fly to that station to both refine and sell

[hasty lintel]

Where do you sell in pyro?

also, you can refine construction materials? or are you refining hull material

[astral leaf]

Checkmate, but if I catch another Salvager going for wrecks in that area, I’m quite territorial. Many a Vulture has met a poor end to my Reclaimer ramming the shit out of them lol

[hasty lintel]

LOL

[astral leaf]

You do refine CMAT

A full buffer on the Refinery of just CMAT makes about 400k

[hasty lintel]

How much if you sold as-is?

[astral leaf]

You can’t

That’s the downside to CMAT

[hasty lintel]

ah.

[astral leaf]

There is always a lead time in the refinery

[hasty lintel]

thats probably why i cant sell

[astral leaf]

RMC you just sell directly, but its tedious to collect in comparison

However, there will probably quite a decent secondary market on UEX springing up for RMC at some point

Because people doing hangar services on their bigger ships need a good supply of it

[hasty lintel]

ohhh word word

[astral leaf]

That won’t happen for CMAT until base building comes

Or they specifically put crafted items that require CMAT

[hasty lintel]

I gotta ask ya

[astral leaf]

But they’re hoping for T0 base building this year

So that could be really cool

[hasty lintel]

Do you fill up your Reclaimer with just 16scu boxes or do you fill it using the snapped on space

[astral leaf]

Oh I make a fucking steel jungle

All 16 SCU boxes both on grid and off grid stacked 3 high in a specific arrangement that makes solo unloading them out the butt into the Ironclad easier

I can generally fit 5-7 buffers worth

I found an Idris earlier today and got about 4 buffers worth out of it, that’s refining right now

Should be about 1.4mil I think

[hasty lintel]

Can you actually load out of the ass of a reclaimer now?

Always got stuck when i was unloading

[astral leaf]

I help run Salvagers United, a large Salvage focused org… we’re kinda obsessed with this shit lol

There is a specific orientation I use

If you push the box in sideways like it kinda lines up with the space, it will bounce down

And out

You gotta use that little ramp thingy to like, bounce it down lol

Ill DM you about us, I don’t want to get the mods mad about recruiting, etc

[hasty lintel]

Appreciate it

[tough rapids]

hat;s the button in the starfarer to open the interface for the fuel pods?
where on the Dash is it?

[elder arrow]

anyone got the best method to load up an ironclad inside a hanger quickly or nah?

[native aurora]

I've only loaded it in space but I would bet an atls on the upper walkway would be good. Might not be able to see into the freight elevator all the way though

[elder arrow]

i think i found the tech method

[native aurora]

Lol that can work too, lol. I'd be too worried about it turning purple and exploding. Cause it has that habit already.

[elder arrow]

Kinda but it should be fine

[native aurora]

Just don't breathe in that general direction

[astral leaf]

I second EVA in space

Its so good for it

[native aurora]

When the ship works it's awesome with 2 people. I still need to test it out solo but I have a feeling for what I'm doing my hull b is a better pick solo.

Gonna try to rent an ICA at the end of the event and do some runs purely solo to see

[wraith tree]

Im having trouble finding the new refining ratio, i once saw that its like 50 or 25% of the inputed ore but the results im seeing from dinx are even less than that so i feel that number has got to be wrong

[obsidian reef]

It has been reworked a lot recently where ores now deliver less scu after refinement but the resulting stuff is now much more valuable

[long frost]

Do you use a ship to get in and out or do you hop onto the side?😅

[wraith tree]

Is th euc commodity site accurate on price? I used to check regolith but it’s turning off soon

[elder arrow]

I used the command module to get in and out, HOWEVER i ran into a problem when you disconnect the ship tends to "jittle/fall backwards for a second"
so im going to load up a pitbull in it to act as my shuttle so i can do this little trick more

ITS HONESTLY kinda faster, i'ev seen people put the atls on the catwalk at the top, thats good and all but i feel like takes more time to load it?

[obsidian reef]

uexcorp is kinda accurate

not with everything but most of what I have checked has fit

[long frost]

My intuition told me to do it the traditional way through the ramp with the atls inside but then again I never tried it. Don't own one but I'll probably rent an ic end of ddc

[wraith tree]

Damn. Trying to find the best locations to sell at obviously, hard when info is hit or miss

[elder arrow]

I've been doing that, I kinda "park" at an angle so i can stay inside the ICA with an atls and pull stuff in

its quick/easy kiiinda tricky but i really like the "Sideways" method because its soooo much faster

Any tricks i could do to rank up "Corvlax" kinda quickly?

i got up to member, and ohboi this shit is going to be a while of going to multiable locations

[native aurora]

I've seen people say that stacking contracts works. I've never done much hauling contracts so I don't know for sure

[elder arrow]

Yeah no hauling is all about stacking contracts

rn im just trying to figure out different methods to load a ironclad quicker

So testing the little argo ships,
The argo cargo literally cant take off its like fucking glued to the hanger

So this is "fun"

you get hard locked in the tractor, cant use the little beam at the front and you cant raise landing gear since they dont exsist?

[long frost]

I read somewhere that this is a brand new bug

[nimble ledge]

How good is salvation? Can It salvage anything, just limited by speed? I have ironclad, so I could use it as mobile storage.
So either I get it as upgrade from my referal or I save from hauling missions enough for fortune

[elder arrow]

Yep and the mpuv tractor is also fucked.
Can't raise landing gear/lower, front tractor doesn't work,
YOU CANT EXIT THE VEHICLE after getting inside it

It's Uber fucked

[long frost]

Would have been perfect for the ic

Even more since you can put the atls beam onto the mpuv lol

[green hinge]

Anyone know if the following are minable with a Golem or a rented Prospector?
Aslarite
Riccite
Taranite

[shy echo]

For now, id say so

[obsidian reef]

if you're lucky and get low mass ones then yeah but generally no

you can find aslarite as a byproduct from some other asteroids thoguh

[green hinge]

Great. So i wasted 1m on a Golem.

Thanks anyway.

[obsidian reef]

you can mine many other asteroids

just not the most dense ones

[green hinge]

Do you know which asteroid types and where?

[minor socket]

need to mine some high end ore for crafting guns, golem do the job or do I need a prospector?

[keen garden]

Golem and prospector are both power limited about the same, with the prospector being able to go a little higher

They’re both great for more basic materials, like corundum/copper/iron/heph, and struggle with more exotic materials like taranite/gold/riccite/savr/stileron/quant etc

[minor socket]

ahh right, but should be fine in the low quanties?

literally need like 5 SCU

not sure what mods to put on it, got a rieger C3 at the moment, but im seeing conflicting things like focus and surge being good

[keen garden]

Yes

Modules are tools, focus doesn’t let you break bigger rocks, it makes rocks easier to break

Surge does let you break bigger rocks, but the time restriction it adds can make it harder to manage

[minor socket]

so just have two reiger C3s?

[keen garden]

Modules should be thought of as tools that you can swap around

Bring a variety

Swap them on the go as needed

[minor socket]

gotcha

[keen garden]

2 reigers gives you the highest passive laser power, but doesn’t help in any other way that other modules might, etc

on a golem I tend to use surge stampede as a baseline

[patent spoke]

Any tips or tricks for quickly getting through Contractor with Adagio? I dont care for profit/loss, just trying to rep up

[keen garden]

Pay fee break ship go next

[patent spoke]

Yeah, fair. Was hoping there was some system that didnt always have contracts 80gm away

[random patrol]

It can scrape anything but cracking ships...i have no idea. Make sure you upgrade the heads with abrades.

[elder arrow]

fucking ikr?

Do we need if theres a spectrumpost/issue council post about the MPUV and other argo ships being beyond buggy/broken rn?

[long frost]

there is already one, STARC-204086

[elder arrow]

ty ty

Made a few contributions to some posts i saw on the main page including the MPUV
i really wonder how issues like that even happen

[dense burrow]

So this is a weird one

I bought and equipped an abrade scraper module on my fortune. I had an issue so had to claim it (did insure it with the new loadout). Didn't come with an abrade???? wtf

[verbal tangle]

If server is desyncing, it might not have recognized the new loadout. Did it give you the old attachment you replaced with Abrade or did it just come empty/

[dense burrow]

the old default one (cinch)

[verbal tangle]

Yeah it probably desynced your insurance claim

has your server been having other issues lately?

[random patrol]

Thankfully they are cheap

Abrades

[dense burrow]

Just got on it earlier

And it isn’t one I was on last night

[verbal tangle]

This isn't really what I was asking. You can just join a server that immediately starts down the crapper. Was there other issues going on indicating the server was under duress? Cause they've been heavily fluctuating between "mostly playable" to "nothing works at all" for days now in my experience.

freight elevators not working, asops broken, contracts buggy, etc.

all caused by server dying

[dense burrow]

Not really. I had a minor inventory glitch, at first but it's one that's been there forever.

[verbal tangle]

what about in global though, was there a lot of people complaining stuff broke?

[dense burrow]

I never pay attention to global TBF

Half the time it’s F12’d

[random patrol]

Ive had full moth buffers zeroed out after storing

[verbal tangle]

fair enough me too 🤣

well I would recommend swapping regions to get a hopefully fresh server, just to be safe

[dense burrow]

I’ve had fuel reset on retrieval before on other servers

Ok I’ll finish these 2 working salvage missions then swap and try after clearing buffer to claim it and see if it was just the claim that bugged or what

[random patrol]

All these issues are interconnected imo...i mean my salvation comes up with a full buffer evertime I call it.

[dense burrow]

A friend was letting me fly his mole back, and when he called for landing in copilot and I landed it….. it caused it to go into MY INVENTORY and MY PERSEUS TO LOAD IN HIS HANGAR (medium)

[random patrol]

Theres a video where someone called up the m80...and it arrived in the hangar...in quantum...then it crashed and wrecked into the hangar door

Its hilarious

[barren lark]

How do i finisha small hand mining purchase order?

I have sold gems at the trading screen, ive put them in the freight elevator, Ive used small quantities and big quantities.. nothing seems to work

[tall karma]

Are you getting the mission popup when you put the gems into the freight elevator?

It has like a quantity screen that you confirm when you send them down.

[barren lark]

nope, no popup at all

[tall karma]

Are you sure you're depositing the gems at the right location then?

[barren lark]

Yes, I am at the right location. Double checked

I guess it might just be the server.. will try again another time

[proud pumice]

with the salvage missions, is it worth taking the colossus bombs to sell at a store? or just taking up extra space

[dense burrow]

So on insure page this is what I see:
I don't even see the abrade on the list of modules

[verbal tangle]

If there was supposed to be a screenshot, it didnt get posted

[dense burrow]

Can't post one lol

but it doesn't show it

[verbal tangle]

Might be one of the bugs they are working on

[limpid sluice]

also have to make sure you get the little greencheck after you insure

ive had it fail (no idea why) and give an X

[elder arrow]

TIME to go do 10 member rank missions

[dense burrow]

I got a green checkmark.just doesn't show it in the modules to be insured.

[keen garden]

I’d estimate roughly one mission per “system” fails in this way for me

Send the box down, move gems out of box to elevator, up down it, it eats the gems and doesn’t complete

sometimes the mission randomly completes when I leave the system to go to the next one

[hushed elm]

Has anyone made it to Veteran contractor for salvage yet? Any difference to Sr. Contractor

[plain burrow]

i gave up hauling after losing my ship to atc game yet again, a ship SPAWNING in my hangar (ofc ironclad too so its doomed), crate not spawning with missions (missing 4scu crate hello trade center ?), 0 missions between docking station idk why
at least tractor beam work well now (its less bad than before but atls still better), atls got nerfed with rotation speed on hitself im faster with ship tractor beam secret
and ofc autoloading gambling was nerfed on big ships so dont expect good ROI so you can gamble even more (15M to get 3M lmao)

[keen garden]

I mean

Autoloading commodities has been a gamble for quite a few patches now

More often than not it stacks a dozen boxes in one square

Atls wasn’t nerfed afaik

Instead maxlift and multitool was buffed

Using the IC, knowing it’s broken, and then being surprised when it doesn’t work is a choice

[elder arrow]

that took a while aaa

I need to do i think another 10 or 13 member missions to get into experience this is so painful

[keen garden]

And you can’t just stack 30 of them anymore

[obtuse sierra]

from my understanding there's no new missions after senior

but that's just what ive been told

[hushed elm]

Ty

Also any tips on docking/refining/selling with the reclaimer. Weve been to 3 different stations and cant find the dock and those we can find dont have a refinery

[obtuse sierra]

i think the uex website can be used to filter to locations that you can dock a reclaimer at and have a refinery

[keen garden]

Levski

Dump into external elevator

[austere falcon]

any tips for atlas geo mining? i.e., what to look for or where to go? any recommendations

[keen garden]

Feynmaline is risky

So slow down when mining it

Everything else you can set the laser to 75% and have multiple rocks cooking at once

I don’t geomine on a shard with less than 10 fps, any lower and it takes long enough to scan that the rock is in the red before you see its stats

As for location, any Stanton or pyro moon is fine, but prefer locations that don’t have harvestables so there’s less junk frequency hits

[austere falcon]

thanks for the advice o7

[keen garden]

Don’t forget to set your laser power to high or low depending on the rock size

Hand minables need low or you’ll overpower them

And… at lower fps, simply lower your laser power, as a new miner 60.% would be a safer starting point

Move it up when comfortable

[austere falcon]

o7

[mild cloud]

Weird CCU and fleet advice just vanished

[bronze dirge]

Thinking about picking up a Golem with store credit to use with my Polaris for deep space mining. Will a prospector fit, and if so would I be better off grabbing that?

Nvm, prospector isn’t on sale

[keen garden]

Still there for me

[keen garden]

And it won’t fit

Too tall iirc

[mild cloud]

I must have changed a setting if I don't have unread messages it's not showing channels

[keen garden]

Click the down arrow on the category

[mild cloud]

Thx

[bronze dirge]

Oh! I didn’t realize that. But that’s what I get for trusting google ai. I guess golem is the way to go then.

[alpine hatch]

can yall help me figure out how to get to the aaron halo, try as i might i can figure it out lol

from crusader*

[keen garden]

Go to the selo wikelo station

It’s in the Aaron halo

That distance from the crusader orbit line works all the way around

[bronze dirge]

So use the crusader-selo distance, pick a location and drop out of qt at that measurement?

[alpine hatch]

wdym crusade orbit line?

[bronze dirge]

I think, although they seem fixed on the map, there is a literal line mapping out their orbit. You measure from that point to Selo. I’m just guessing mind you

[fringe kayak]

o/ is there a known reason/fix for Grimhex admin not seeing my c2 cargo grid commodities ? i already sold one time some hours ago, but it doesn't see my haul atm.

[bronze dirge]

Have you tried raising and then storing your ship again? In theory that should reset what the terminal sees.

[fringe kayak]

yea i tried that before logging out. i'll retry on another server (just tried ,it sees 0, will try to spawn/store again)

i got nothing offgrid

[long warren]

Sometimes if I'm at say, Tressler, I'll see a couple crates floating around from someone crashing- I'd usually send em down an external freight elevator for a couple extra bucks but that seems to not be working in 4.8- elevator just says it's blocked.

Did they change the way external freight and/or commodities work? Likewise I took a salvage mission, and normally I keep all the components on my ship and send em down the internal elevator which works- but those same weapons on external aren't allowed. Trying to figure out what the difference is.

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but it doesn't feel like the wrong place lol.

[median sluice]

New to mining. What do I refine and what do I sell raw? Any tips?

[bronze dirge]

FEs seem like they’ve been bugged all to hell this patch. Hopefully it’s addressed in the hotfix. Same with ships not respawning. I’ll go to a planetary pickup and there’s o where to land, because the elevator is busted.

I also noticed I can’t clear the pad with torpedos lol

[long warren]

Okay, so it's not currently expected behavior in that case? Wasn't sure if I missed something in the patch notes

[bronze dirge]

As far as I know

[raven oracle]

What is everyone doing with their IC? I find it really time consuming to do hauling contracts for only 600k. I've been doing salvaging with the Ironclad and make about 2.7-3mil an hour mostly off the cargo but I still feel like there is room for more profit as I barely scratch the SCU limit on the IC.

I know commodity trading is kind of dead but is there any good routes? everywhere I look it always looks way too risky for the low profits.

[weary idol]

okay i'm a noob here, i don't know if these are bugs or a fundamental misunderstanding on my end:

-rented a cutlass black
-wanted to "stack"? some planetary hauling missions, took 5 that were all on the same pickup spot (awesome)
-docked at hangar
-no cargo on elevator??
-abandoned missions
-accepted new planetary hauling missions
-land at new hangar
-nothing on freight elevator again???

[alpine hatch]

did you go into cargo elevator terminal and bring them up? or they werent in the terminal at all? @weary idol

[past fractal]

The thing about good routes, is that they fall in to one of two categories.

1. The ROI is high, but you can't sell cuz everyone and their grandmother's dog is running the same damn thing.

2. The ROI isn't terrible, and nobody will say a damn thing for fear of losing their lunch ticket.

[raven oracle]

Ah I gotcha, don't blame people I suppose lol.

[weary idol]

they were not in the terminal at all, i even tried sending the elevator up and down

[bronze dirge]

So I’m debating on it: would the MPUV-Tractor be useful loading and unloading the Polaris both in space and in the ground? The overhang, long ramps and 8SCU Tall opening make me wonder. I don’t mind if I need to reorganize things with a Maxlift as a second stage of loading. I primarily expect to be dealing with scavenged cargo from HullC salvage missions and Drake ore pods.

[glass chasm]

each to their own. i always have an mpuv i my polaris hangar. or rather used to, since atm it seems buged and once you climb on board the mpuv, u aint getting out anymore. so i currently have it tucked away in a hangar.

[bronze dirge]

Oh, didn’t know it was bugged. Useful otherwise?

[astral leaf]

I dump my stuff into an Ironclad in EVA

Then land the Ironclad, store and refine

[keen garden]

good luck

[native aurora]

Hull c isn't in the rotation for salvage missions this patch

[regal tide]

I'm a bit confused on how the size ore is being packed per box if a mission needs 1 SCU what is that 1.2T ?

[bronze dirge]

Not even unverified? That’s a shame. Was one of the better (and more immersive imo) moneymakers

[native aurora]

Nope it's gone. I'm pretty sure the unverified contracts are also gone. At least I didn't see them on scmdb when I looked

[regal tide]

I will bring up 4 SCU of iron and it keeps me like 4 boxes of 4 SCU size boxes

[bronze dirge]

Guess mining broken up by scrip farming or interstellar cargo it is! Thanks for the heads up!

[native aurora]

You bet

[desert veldt]

Fleet salvage/mining with either golem or salvation as snubs.

[tall karma]

Any chance auto-unloading ships is working this patch?

[native aurora]

It works for me.

But I've never had an issue with it

Unless you mean for contracts, I have no idea about that

[storm storm]

Worked for me

[delicate girder]

On those salvage contracts which require you to do one SCU of RMC can you fake it on a non-salvage ship by carrying a bunch of RMC on your non-salvage ship?

[keen garden]

Depends on the ore, different ores have different densities. That said the tonnage usually isn’t that important given it gives you the amount of scu you’ll get as a percentage anyway when you look at the rock with a mining ship

[keen garden]

Yes

It doesn’t care where you get the rmc

(Except it can’t be stolen if the turnin is an external elevator)

[delicate girder]

So I can use stolen in some case I take it. Interesting.

[shell cedar]

Not a desync issue as suggested, its just not an item that get insured on the Fortune for some reason

seems to be the same for the few people I know that have used one

very irritating

[jovial matrix]

Wow that sucks big time, I love the fortune but I guess I'm not buying on anytime soon

[shell cedar]

Someone beat me to posting an issue council report about it but theres not any contributions yet

[rotund grove]

HI guys can i ask whats the average amount of SCU majority of hauling missions carry?

from the rookie to master rank

400?

[jovial matrix]

It varies wildly depending on the mission, from 5-6 SCU to thousands. I would pick a ship that you like to haul with, and target hauling missions that are about on-par with your ships capacity

[opaque orbit]

are unverified salvage missions disabled?

[native aurora]

They gone this patch

[opaque orbit]

ah

same with in the wake of disaster?

[native aurora]

I don't know what that is so can't say

[opaque orbit]

big salvage mission (4 ships) chance of drugs in cargo and whatnot

[native aurora]

Oh gotcha. Cargo ships spawn in the verified missions.

Gotta be Sr contractor to see em

[opaque orbit]

roger

my reclaimer is hungry XD

[native aurora]

I only do it for the cargo. I'm gonna salvage when I can get a moth but it's just not as cost effective

I do need to get a vulture for rmc though for my org.

[jovial matrix]

Wake has been gone for a long time

[regal tide]

I see 3 sets of the GSX-EX but their descriptions are the same but prices aren't are they the same?

[bronze dirge]

Can I still advance salvage rep rapidly by buying claims and blowing them up, or was that patched? I know I can’t get Hull C missions, but picking up cargo on the way is decent money.

[native aurora]

You can

[vestal ravine]

I use an Alt to bring ships to the Reclaimer. Tar Pits missions gone. Solo you can leave Reclaimer by a known point, backspace to free fly, fly a ship out to the other ship.

[quartz crystal]

So for solo mining , prospector is the best choice??

[hazy ridge]

I heard of people "buying" cargo to make profit. How does that work? Do you buy cargo, drive it to somewhere else and make money from it? I thought there are only hauling quests

[quartz crystal]

Commodity trading

Yes you buy resources and then go somewhere to sell them to higher price

High profit but high risk ( depends on route)

[hazy ridge]

Probably better profit but also way higher risk, right?

[quartz crystal]

.

[hazy ridge]

Is there a website or something for routes and knowing where to buy/sell? :D

[quartz crystal]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[hazy ridge]

TY!

[quartz crystal]

You also need to think about a restock or overflow

Depends how many resources they have

[quartz crystal]

Which ship you gonna use?

[hazy ridge]

Idk yet, Im grinding for one I can buy with AUEC :D

Probably small routes at the start

[quartz crystal]

Yes you need to have the same size of boxes that stations/ outposts will support

[quartz crystal]

Then better to do stacking contracts

What's your pledge ship?

Or which ship do you have currently?

[quartz crystal]

For example, from port tesler to NB , you can grab 6-7 contracts

But yeah, depends on the ship if he can fit everything

[quartz crystal]

For trading, if more money you give = then more profit you have

[hazy ridge]

M80 and Wolf 21

[quartz crystal]

Oh

Well

Yeah you need to farm money

And buy a big cargo ship )

[polar fable]

I have a quick question for yall industrious peoples

If my brother owns a mole, and we go mine, then once everything is refined, and we load all the cargo into my C2, will that break things as far as selling is concerned? or will it all be fine given that cargo is now manual with cargo elevators etc

basically, will it make things much more difficult with one person owning the MOLE and the 2nd person owning the cargo ship?

[spare cloud]

Not as long as the two of you are in party.

If the party is disbanded while the cargo is in your ship, it'll be labelled as stolen.

[polar fable]

okay awesome!

[wise stump]

some of you mole miners, what loadout are you using?

atm I am using
Helix 2 with 2 stampede 1 surge
Hofsted 2 with 2 focus 3
impact with 2 torrent 3 2x and 1 rieger c3

I wonder what you guys run with to try some builds before I craft my lasers.
I got the blueprits to make the size 2 lasers.

[cerulean delta]

Can you buy Hermes now ? Is it in-game store ?

[tall karma]

Do people still bring salvage ships back to their hangar and strip them for RMC/CM or did CIG make it so you can't use salvage in hangars because it was bad for performance?

[random patrol]

No we do it out in space

[tall karma]

Well, assuming I had an infinite source of NPC ships I could bring to my hangar, would I be able to salvage in my hangar?

[random patrol]

Sounds tedious

[long warren]

@spare cloud I saw you just answered that MOLE question an hour ago with some good insight- is that the explanation to the first half of my question here? Is cargo generated by a player not in your party marked stolen by default?

[pearl juniper]

They fixed that forever ago I think

[tall karma]

Whats the fix, do salvage beams just not work in hangars or something?

[random patrol]

Players are leaving destroyed contract ships without salvaging the wrecks just to get to higher reps.

Plenty of free $

[pearl juniper]

Honestly they should make the rep only for the turn in missions and not for the ships that you pay for

[tall karma]

I don't think its very easy now with soft death removed from the game to locate NPC ship wrecks.

[random patrol]

You'd be surprised. Just roaming around the outside of the armastice zone near a station. Youll find wrecks and leftover cargo

Ive gone to my own contract locations to find a junkyard of ship sections

[tall karma]

I don't think there are many NPC ships outside of stations. Probably abandoned player ships.

[pearl juniper]

Ships left from salvage contacts is what he means I think

[random patrol]

Yup

Or they strip ggood cargo from a c2 and leave the ship and the junk cargo

[tall karma]

There's also the go retrieve cargo off a ship missions which give you a fully functional ship you can return to a station, deposit the cargo, and now you have an abandoned ship. Which was what I was thinking about for the "chop shop" kind of setup.

[random patrol]

Ah I get your idea.

[random patrol]

Ive been salvaging them and stripping components on those contracts but I get what you are saying

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, me too, and enjoying the whole loop even if the early part isn't super profitable. Got my first raft with cargo last night.

[random patrol]

Contractor level right?

Or its random?

[pearl juniper]

Raft at jr contractor, at least occasionally

[random patrol]

Im moving through Jr now not in a rush

Ah I'll keep an eye out...

[pearl juniper]

I think there might be hidden sub levels to. I didn't see a raft till I was 3/4 thru jr

[random patrol]

Dont doubt it

[polar dew]

what are good sites for mining info? I know regolith is dying so I need a new one

!tradetools

'!tradetools'

[obsidian reef]

scmdb.net is the only noteworthy one rn

[polar dew]

thanks!

[spare cloud]

That would be it, yes.

[long warren]

Thank you!

[keen garden]

I don’t think you can activate two stampedes on one laser

And torrents aren’t the most effective on the impact, given they apply multiplicatively and the impact has a lower base optimal charge speed value

I usually just don’t run an impact, opting instead for two hofsteads

Each with torrent focus, or replacing the focus on one of them with a rieger

I keep impacts on the elevator grid just in case I get a 100k+ rock that needs more power

[royal hamlet]

How limited are you with the Golem when mining? Will using mining attachments (like the Sabir) greatly assist in mining more difficult rocks? Eventually I’ll want to mine with a Mole if I have at least one other person (I’m not a fan of soloing a Mole, too much back and forth), but for now I’ll buy a Golem.

[keen garden]

I’d guess it caps out between 20k mass and 30k mass

With surges + sabir

Prefer surface mining with it

[royal hamlet]

Still worthwhile for mining good quality ores for blueprints I assume? I guess my concern is, I buy a Golem then hit a ceiling too fast.

[keen garden]

I don’t bother with the golem or prospector now that I have the mole, because exiting the ship to place a gadget is a lot more effort than switching seats

[royal hamlet]

True.

[keen garden]

Yes, you just have to leave some rocks behind or ask for help

Surface mining on avg has smaller rocks

[royal hamlet]

It’s more if I’m off a bit with the Mole then I have to go back to the pilot seat, adjust, get out, and see if it’s fine lol

[keen garden]

And it’s easier to attach gadgets on the surface

[keen garden]

Ah, well, that’s just experience 😆

[royal hamlet]

Ya I figured lol

[keen garden]

last patch the winning distance was 45 meters

At 45m, on the surface, the mole lifting on its own because buggy game put it at the perfect distance

[analog patrol]

Man, I can't wait till the IC gets itself fixed to be mostly playable. I kind of want to see if I can run a mobile repair/rearm shop out of it.

[keen garden]

Without that bug, 58-60 is perfect

[royal hamlet]

Is it worth going for a Wikelo Golem vs Teach’s?

[keen garden]

if the wikelo mats are easily available and you like the idea of owning more exclusive ships, definitely

But purely aUEC wise it’s almost always going to be more expensive to get the wikelo one

[royal hamlet]

I was thinking in terms of claiming a free ship, if it’s Teach’s or Wikelo then it comes standard with better components.

[keen garden]

I haven’t bought my mole yet since the wipe, but expecting to have the funds from it through org trading in the next week to start producing components to sell

Been stockpiling gems

[royal hamlet]

Your org selling looted armor and weapons?

[keen garden]

Looted, crafted, wikelo stuff,

[ionic briar]

When looking at RS signatures, other than identifying what type of rock it is, it will tell you how many rocks in the cluster?

Will a 1 rock signature have more mass than a signature with 2 rocks? I'm asking cause mining yesterday, it was frustrating finding huge rocks that I couldn't break or that I'm not well-practiced enough to break.

[keen garden]

If players pay for it we sell it

[keen garden]

Yes

3185 is the signature for quantanium, if you find a 6370, it’ll have two quant rocks

3185x2

[ionic briar]

So smaller, and easier to break. The benefit of being able to crack a larger rock will likely be if you find higher quality in it, you're likely to walk away with more cSCU of it?

Or is there another reason why someone would specifically look for singles?

[keen garden]

No, the number of rocks in the cluster has no bearing on sizes

You don’t typically want singles, but rare rocks usually spawn in singles or smaller clusters

A 4 rock cluster of quant would be a jackpot, but those don’t exist

[ionic briar]

Ok I gotcha. So rock mass is totally random no matter what the signature is.

Thanks a ton!

[keen garden]

Of course, the more rocks in a cluster the more likely at least one of them will be worth cracking

For any given material ofc

Super rare materials like sav and quant are the exception given they’re always valuable, assuming you can get at least 1 full refined scu out of it

[pearl juniper]

totally random within the range for a given location. At least it used to be that different moons / planets / areas had different size ranges that were possible, and different average mass rocks that would spawn. We don't have the data to know for sure if that's true any more, but I would guess that it still is.

[raven oracle]

Anyone else doing the C2 cargo from salvaging?

I've done 3 so far and they all have like 3 cargo pieces

Shadow nerf or what lol

[cerulean delta]

Of all of them C2 has the best loot so far. At least 5 or 6 32 SCU (?) crates. A2, M2 has 1- 3. 890J has maybe 4 of them.

[hearty trail]

what head is best to use on a MISC Fortune? 1st time salveging

[keen garden]

Abrade

[patent spoke]

are you just destroying them or actually salvaging? If destroying, what method do you use?

[cerulean delta]

I just go with a Raft or Hermes, take titanium crates from them, blow them up either with the guns or self destruct and go for the next contract. I sell the titanium at Arc L5. Sometimes I take the iron and nitrogen if I'm swinging by any major cities. But they are half the value of titanium rn. Not really worth picking them up.

[patent spoke]

Ah nice alright, the self destruct doesnt ever seem to work for me

[raven oracle]

I think they shadow nerfed it or something

or is it something to do with the server resets

Because I'm not getting shit anymore

Yesterday was fine

[cerulean delta]

They just nerfed it.

[raven oracle]

This was the least broken gameplay loop in this game for me

and now it's not viable lol

[keen garden]

I mean, it was pretty broken in terms of profits

It made 10x per hour more than anything else

[patent spoke]

lol, just prior to patch i just got the rank to get the good salvage missions

[cerulean delta]

What is the next best money making method ?

[keen garden]

Selling things to players

favors, scrip, crafted items, ace pilot helmets, medals, Polaris bits, fangs, carinite,

Rcmbnts

Imagine the higher tier bit zero contracts are still a really good source, if you can stomach leveling the rep

[raven oracle]

I'm glad to know they nerfed almost every way to make profit and not fix any of the hundreds of dollar ships they put out.

[cerulean delta]

What do these give ?

[keen garden]

they spawn a freelancer with cargo on it

Mix of things like gold, drugs, stims, med supplies,

First tier can probably make you 800k-1.5mil an hour, depending on your efficiency

[cerulean delta]

Last time I tried doing a Bit Zero mission, I got blown up every time I approached. Any tips / ideas on why that happened ? It was last patch tho.

[keen garden]

Probably the turrets

Gotta avoid them

Arrive in an Asgard, park safely, Eva with a fire extinguisher to quickly reach the airlock, do the fps part, fly freelancer with minimal power pips on to reach your Asgard and offload it

Repeat 3 times, offload Asgard, repeat

Once you have a good collection of materials to sell, load up one and sell it for the highest price you can in one trip

[wise stump]

Cargo that spawns inside missions ships has been significantly reduced - but not consistently across all missions/ships.
Percent ranges of 'how full' a cargo hold be for some missions has been reduced from 70-90% to 0-30%. There is a general significant reduction in the amount of 'free cargo' spawned across most missions.

Dismantling :
When dismantling items, some rarer materials will not be returned, preventing an infinite loop of dismantling and crafting.
For example, an Arclight Pistol will return Copper and Dolivine, but no Lindinium.

The following resources cannot be reclaimed from dismantling so far:
Quantanium
Stileron
Savrilium
Lindinium
Riccite
Ouratite
Saldynium
Janalite

hmmm that doesnt sound great for the cargo does it 🙁

[pearl juniper]

where was that posted?

[wise stump]

Its on the leaks discord

I understand the reduction but instantly so high.

the rare mats I dont mind that is fine

[keen garden]

Imo it needed to happen, and needed to be a major nerf

But I’d like to see useful cargo return to other missions

Like bounties, patrols, etc, generic ship combat contracts

[wise stump]

if you want cargo you need to pirate i guess 🙂

[keen garden]

I want a random hull A on a pyro mission to have a box of neon on it

[wise stump]

they like copy paste though

[keen garden]

Or cutty black, etc

Like they used to

[wise stump]

I like in wake of disaster

and the pyro version

that had nice drugs in them to sell

[pearl juniper]

yeah, VHRT/ERT loot piñata was a fun game loop. Maybe it was a bit OP, but it should exist to SOME extent, with the rare chance for a big score.

[hushed elm]

I feel like im missing something, a full load of construction salvage in the reclaimer only gave me 600k. Took more than an hour.

[covert dome]

did you convert it into cmat?

[hushed elm]

Yup 🙁

[keen garden]

Full load as in 240 scu?

or 240 + grid + 100x16 scu boxes

I don’t think cmats are the way to go with the reclaimer

RMC I was able to make 900k in an hour last patch

Including selling it

But…

Docking sucks right now

[bronze dirge]

I was able to dock at Levski last night, but not leave my ship (inner docking port door wouldn’t open). Had to leave through the cargo bay and Eva to landing pad lol.

Not able to dock at all in Stanton.

Feels like they’re killing the salvage related loops this patch?

[hushed elm]

Just seems like a 31m ship multicrew should be able to make more than 900k an hour

[keen garden]

They’re killing the cargo hauling loop that was relying on salvage contracts

[hushed elm]

And after they removed the cargo from salavage seems like they hating on us

[bronze dirge]

I def noticed that. It was one of my favorite/more immersive feeling loops.

[keen garden]

Only because it made a lot of money

[hushed elm]

Refueling is still crazy money though and they didnt touch it

[keen garden]

The existence of something that can make 10-20x more than everything else per hour makes everything else feel bad

I do tend to agree that the baseline profit per hour right now is too low

Like, a salvation costs 30k to rent for a day. You can’t even break even doing entry level salvage contracts in a salvation

There’s not enough material on the ships

You have to buy abrades

[hushed elm]

Also a little disappointing that after Sr theres nothing different about contracts

[keen garden]

Mining can very easily be the most profitable loop in the game, but you need to be willing to do the research and interact with other players

[hushed elm]

Is hand mining or ship more lucrative?

[keen garden]

Both of them are necessary

But I’d say ship

Some s3 components need 170 gems

170 900+ gems for top tier power plants is a lot

Err, shields*

Power plants don’t take gems

[bronze dirge]

I’ve been trying to give mining a try, but I keep getting distracted with some multi crew combat shenanigans. I def need to settle down with my pickaxe and bring in some credits. Last couple nights I’ve been hemorrhaging AUEC

[keen garden]

Just be warned you won’t make much of anything from TDD or contracts

Money is in the player market

[bronze dirge]

Good to know, thank you!

[keen garden]

1.7 scu of 900+ beryl, and 3scu of 900+ savr, to get one extra power pip

People will pay an arm and a leg for that

You’d probably make more making s1 power plants tho

Less materials per

And higher demand

[bronze dirge]

Would my golem be enough, or would I need something bigger? I’m mainly a role player, but I like to stay on the belts as long as possible. I’ve got 24 ore bags in the hold on my mothership and room for another 20 or in the hold and again in the hangar

[keen garden]

You’d have to lower your target a bit in a golem

It’s going to struggle with savrilium

Go for something craftsble with simple materials

Like ballistic weapons

Kill shots were in high demand last patch

P8’s are always wanted

[bronze dirge]

Good to know! I didn’t really think about crafting. Just bulk procurement of varied materials. But I’m an old Veldspar miner. Used to just eating up the whole belt and selling at local market

[keen garden]

Can still do that

Crafters can buy it up and flip it etc

[bronze dirge]

Works for me. I don’t need a lot of credits. My Golem has all the upgrades it needs. Polaris can wait on upgrades and torpedo rearm. Only major one is the TS-2 in storage from the other night

I do need to pick up a full size cambrio to patch some holes the station didn’t repair

I think I keep asking this, but in honestly don’t remember:

best bet for mothership mining (well finding the damn thing again) is to pick up a box mission and leave it on board right?

[obtuse sierra]

PSA I'm told cargo in mission ships has been drastically reduced

seems like every decent money maker is always blasted

[pearl juniper]

new content almost always is

[hushed elm]

Can I refuel my hydrogen pods from my ship? I still have 108M fuel left but my pod is empty

[wise stump]

question some off you have issues with trying to sell direct from the ship to tdd? my items are not showing at all

[keen garden]

If decent money maker means makes more than 10x every other source, then that’s a good thing

[native aurora]

i am for sure gonna miss the cargo. at least i made my money before the nerf.

[keen garden]

This patch is gonna make me rich

[native aurora]

i already am really

[keen garden]

Because people are lazy and will buy things

[native aurora]

yeah true. always market for stuff people dont have time or want to farm

[wise stump]

trying to sell CM it just doesnt show on the tdd screen 🙂

[polar fable]

what is the most efficient way of loading a lot of SCU in cargo? by hand?

[bronze dirge]

When it works the ATLS is fantastic

Get your position right, switch to free mode, then point and click

[wise stump]

went with 1000 scu of CM to 2 different locations to sell. The TDD doesnt even show the item to sell.

[polar fable]

where do I get one?

and where would be the best place to mine with a MOLE currently?

[bronze dirge]

Lorville or Levski. Maybe Area18.

[polar fable]

for the ATLS?

[bronze dirge]

Yes

I got mine at Levski, but I think it’s a little cheaper at Lorville.

[keen garden]

Did you refine it

[wise stump]

offcourse

[keen garden]

1000 is a lot if refined

[delicate girder]

If I want to actually buy (not sell at the moment) RMC. Where's the best place right now?

[wise stump]

I got 3000 scu

[keen garden]

Where did you try to sell it?

[wise stump]

but i cant sell it

Pyro gateway nyx now orison

tried it first from my ship direct

now I unloaded it to station still nothing

[delicate girder]

1 RMC is usually what those salvage contracts want right?

[keen garden]

I’d suggest hur l4 or hur l3

Uex doesn’t say orison will buy it

And no place will buy 3k at once

[wise stump]

It does

[past fractal]

Wait, is it refined?

[keen garden]

“Last” column says 0

[polar fable]

where did you go mine?

[keen garden]

so the stats might not be correct for this patch

[wise stump]

mine ? just salvage ships

[polar fable]

ooooh I misunderstood

[wise stump]

I been stranded with my reclaimer for days

so I just keep salvage and org mates comes empty me out

[past fractal]

3,000 CM is either 12,000 CM off a MOLE, or closer to 15,000 CM off a Reclaimer, and completely unrealistic on a Vulture or smaller... Did yu refine it?

[wise stump]

yes refined it

Its not a 1 run thing

i been salvage for a week

it didnt take that long

but i transported only a c2 worth

the ironclad aint working yet to be used

[past fractal]

Mine works fine, but that aside, Orison should be taking CMAT, but nowhere near that much of it

[wise stump]

i full reclaimer is like over 2000 scu

[past fractal]

No, a full reclaimer is like 300 SCU after refining

[wise stump]

I know not that much but it aint showing at all. I go try a different station

when i unload mate. the xlarge hanger is full

[past fractal]

Yeah, but that number is irrelevant

[wise stump]

yes how many runs do you thing i have done

[past fractal]

you get 15% of it

[wise stump]

believe it or not thats not the issue right now

but I go back to game to figure this out. thanks for the response though

[past fractal]

I understand that. The only thing I can think of, is if you have 3k SCU, maybe your inventory page is bugged

[wise stump]

the reclaimer can have over 100 boxes of the grid of 16 scu plus whats on the grid what is like 10

[keen garden]

I’m still not completely convinced it’s refined,

[past fractal]

yes, a generally full Reclaimer is 2,000 SCU of UNREFINED CMAT. It has to be refined down to 300 SCU to be sellable

[wise stump]

1760 i been doing this for a week

[keen garden]

That’s over 20k scu unrefined

[wise stump]

yes and i been refining for a weeks

week

yes thats not that much

[keen garden]

Certainly not impossible

[past fractal]

Only thing I can think of then is that it's too much inventory and it's bugged out

[wise stump]

its easy to do

[keen garden]

Only like 10 loads

[wise stump]

it might i have to go back to nyx

[past fractal]

You might need to split it up

[wise stump]

I am selling in batches

Thanks anyways

[keen garden]

But HUR-l4 is the usual place for small salvage refining because you can sell it there

But reclaimer can’t offload easily there so it usually uses levski for bulk

[past fractal]

Hmm.. not sure then, sorry. I can't think of any other reason why nothing would show up as a sellable option

[keen garden]

probably skill issue

[delicate girder]

Will a Salvation fit in a TAC? I'm guessing not even in the back because of the height.

[wise stump]

well i am located at levski

[past fractal]

not really, no

[keen garden]

Yes

[wise stump]

so i refine there and load up to sell elsewhere

[past fractal]

you can squeeze it in the back, but getting it in and out is a pain

[floral pulsar]

I am sure this has been answered many times, but is basic "buy shit and truck it across to a different place and sell it" working? freight elevators still losing stuff?

[keen garden]

A Pisces fits ina TAC, so a salvation will. But honestly doing anything with a salvation is a waste of time, unless just doing it for fun

[wise stump]

no not using reclaimer to transport haha

[past fractal]

The problem is mostly the height. It's a very narrow fit

[wise stump]

its not my first time playing. i just not seeing the thing i did wrong, but ill see at levski i guess

[keen garden]

Levski won’t buy cmats

[wise stump]

i know

I go to check my materials there

[keen garden]

These places have all recently been confirmed to buy cmats

From most stock to least

[wise stump]

i have a feeling what went wrong

[polar fable]

anyone have advice on where to go mining with a MOLE? havent done any mining since 4.0

[wise stump]

ah they show as empty on the boxes

nice

[keen garden]

Ah, were you trying to sell the source boxes, heh,

[wise stump]

no its the right box. it just shows empty now

[keen garden]

there’s a bug

[wise stump]

well yes i figured that after seeing empty haha

[keen garden]

When you refine cmats, you’ll be left with both the refined boxes and the empty csalvage boxes

[wise stump]

ah

great so it does show as used inventory space on my location either

[keen garden]

Gotta dump them to space/etc

[wise stump]

i just pulled a full xl hangar up and down again. it doest regisiter as a full scu box even

great thats going to be a fun job

ill wait on the ironclad to be in and do it in 1 go

story of our lives in this game. i been here since kickstarter. surival mode playing this game has a new genre of games.

[hardy sierra]

Are those 50k salvage contracts worth the cost? They fill up like half of my Vulture, not sure if I'm actually getting my moneys worth.

[wise stump]

I have not tried the 50k in pyro yet

I want to try it out for sure

u have to kill like 8 ships in 3 waves i believe though

[keen garden]

Hmm. Half a vulture, as in like 20 scu of rmc?

[hardy sierra]

Half the buffer, not entire cargo 🙂

[keen garden]

20x7k = profit

So 6scu?

Not profit

[pastel flame]

Could be server woes, but any tips on refueling mission issue where fuel is in pods, ship docked, open pods to fill and nothing happens? Tried 3 missions.

[keen garden]

You lost 8k

[wise stump]

the most expensive contract I can get right now is the 20k in stanton or 10k in nyx. for the c2,m2,a2 and 890jump

[native aurora]

that one is only 10k in pyro

same ships but half the price

[wise stump]

yes, and 50k mission in pyro aswell

[hardy sierra]

I'll do another one right now to get exact count 😄

[wise stump]

I go do the 50k now see what it is

[hardy sierra]

I got a Crusader C1 spirit. Started playing few days ago so no idea if it's a good one 😄

[wise stump]

C1 is a nice ship

[silent owl]

Does anyone know if their is a website I can put in CMAT SCU's, Select a refining option and see how much SCU I'd get after refining? Don't want to have to lug it all to a refinery just to find out.