industrial-professions

[long pulsar]

i just wanna make more profit per trade overall

[keen garden]

Herc will get you that for sure,

[past fractal]

The Herc can do that, but you'll want an ATLS, and to learn how to park it sideways

[keen garden]

^

It’s just you’ll spend more too

A lot more

[long pulsar]

im fine with that

i can handle some pirates if anything goes south

[keen garden]

If anything right now is probably a great time to buy ships anyway, if you really start hurting for money global is giving it away

[long pulsar]

nah i enjoy earning my money legit

[past fractal]

When I use the C2, I bring two ATLS, and park one in the front, and one in the back. That way you don't have to traverse the ship

[keen garden]

I daily drove an m2 for months, just loved the form factor, being able to carry all the ground vehicles I want

C2 can do that too, and has more on grid space

M2 is just a worse c2 except it has more shield and more guns

[past fractal]

Yeah, honestly, the best mid grade hauler right now is the Hull B, by a longshot, but it's cash only for a while

[long pulsar]

wish i could make more money ngl

[keen garden]

The c2 is really the only other option in that tier

[past fractal]

I mean, there's the Cat, but, as much as I love it, I don't recommend it right now

[keen garden]

The cat exists… but… don’t subject yourself to that grid for actually using it

[long pulsar]

yeah definitely not using the cat lol

[past fractal]

15 grids...

[long pulsar]

had a look at the c2 grid and its just 2 box sizes from what i can tell

which isnt bad at all

[keen garden]

I guess Hermes is ok? I don’t like it

Feels like a worse c2

[past fractal]

Some people like the Hermes, some don't. It's really meant to compete more with the RAFT, Asgard, and Starlancer though

[long pulsar]

maybe i should just try something outside of commodity trading

but i cant imagine anything else making that much money

[keen garden]

At least not without player market interaction

[past fractal]

Salvage is decent money, if you have the MOTH or Reclaimer, and mining is making bank right now if you score rare mats

[keen garden]

I can give you one that should make pretty good money

[long pulsar]

nah im not a fan of player market stuff, bc that takes grinding stuff for ages

i tried getting into the exec hangar stuff, only did orbituary cz and even that took ages

[keen garden]

Take a hull c salvage mission and pull the bulk cargo off of it and sell it.

Or, do bit zeros missions in pyro and sell that cargo

[long pulsar]

do i need a high rep for that tho

[keen garden]

Still commodity trading, but you skip the buying part

[past fractal]

The Hull C salvage missions are the 3rd tier, so you'd need to do a few lower tier stuff first. Idk about Pyro stuff

[keen garden]

I don’t think the salvage one does? You gotta do a few of the smaller ones first then they appear

The bit zero ones are affected by HH rep, but you don’t really need more than the first tier

You show up at an asteroid base, fire extinguisher boost your way to the door, fight through it, fly the ship from the hangar to your ship, unload it, go next

Raft can ignore the little light fighters

Asgard is best for those missions imo

[long pulsar]

been wanting to get an asgard tbh

slightly less cargo but its got good guns

[keen garden]

It’s about 40 scu of cargo per mission

First tier is a mix of gold/stims

Higher tiers add drugs to the mix

With the bufff to gold prices… first tier might be the best

[twin mural]

thinking of making a prospector my first ship purchase. is mining a reasonable way to make money? or am i going to get ganked by pirates constantly?

[olive gull]

Mining is a decent way of earning coins.
you wont get ganked unless you go to Pyro, and even there...

just play on a empty server, NEVER on the best.

[keen garden]

I’ve never been pirated while mining

Stanton, pyro, nyx, and I mine all the time. Just pay attention to chat

If people are getting ganked on monox don’t mine on monox

[twin mural]

never been to pyro, not sure how to get there tbh

[twin mural]

you can pick a server?

[olive gull]

of course!

[twin mural]

oh i see, but there is no indication of which servers are empty

[olive gull]

mouse hover your friends names and you will see a tooltip

[twin mural]

my friends list is empty, only been playing for a couple of days

haven't met anyone yet, just seen a few people running around in the space port

[keen garden]

Yeah just try different regions till you find a server with good fps at the location you want to mine

Typically good fps goes hand in hand with that specific location being low pop

You can be on a 600 player server and still find the pyro V area empty of players

[silk mica]

I have a problem with salvage: My radar is on and set to the max distance of 60 kilometers, I'm sending out a pulse every few seconds while turning every so often and constantly moving, and despite being in an asteroid field around an L station, I'm STILL finding next to no "unknown"s!

[wary lantern]

which method should i use for refining quantanium

[silk mica]

Also my scanner is rarely if ever showing any kind of value, let alone one that would indicate panels. Am I doing something wrong or am I just supremely unlucky?

[wary lantern]

all of the ore from my ship just magically disappeared lol

[keen garden]

what's the server fps? sometimes on really bad servers you could get no pings, maybe move away from the station a bit too?

bedlog and swap servers,

[silver creek]

Well rn I'm just solo mole or preferred I get people if I can't crack the rock

And as of the rocks I've been finding solo def not possible

Atleast with my setup

I need too switch it around tonight is the plan

[keen garden]

Solo, the best you can do is helix, with surges and a stampede, with a sabir or boremax. Sabir to give more greenzone and even less resist, or boremax if you have enough power and just want to make it easier to crack by reducing instability

[silver creek]

i was thinking 2 surges and a c3

should i just change the c3 too a stampede

cuz thats what i was running before for quant

[silver creek]

but noted with the gadgets ty

[keen garden]

Stampede is really just there because it is an active that gives more laser power like a surge except its duration is longer and it removes a little instability

Better than a reiger, but for pure power a 3rd surge wins

[random patrol]

Since when can you fracture and salvage ships inside amastice zones?

[covert dome]

Noticed that this patch. You can fracture through shields too

[opaque dock]

where to find unverified salvage contracts?

getting none around hurston for some reason

[opaque dock]

and none around any lagrange stations

[random patrol]

Yeah i thought i was crazy.

[covert dome]

you get a CS for doing it though

[knotty oriole]

does anyone know of a workaround for cargo not registering when being sent down the elevator? (for a mission)

[verbal tangle]

Did it process the first time or nah?

[knotty oriole]

no?

[verbal tangle]

(Did it mark as delivered in the contract but failed to complete? Or did the elevator not recognize it as contracted cargo?)

[knotty oriole]

not marked as delivered in contract

[verbal tangle]

Pull it back out of your personal storage and cycle the elevator a couple of times. Then try sending it back down. If your hangar is big enough for a second freight elevator, go to the other one and cycle it a few times and then try that one.

[knotty oriole]

ohhh

okie, will try it now

[verbal tangle]

Usually when I run into the bug you are having the mission is cooked, but on occasion cycling the elevator might resolve the bug.

[knotty oriole]

praying cycling would resolve it

[verbal tangle]

Unfortunately, I dont know a better suggestion to try with better odds. Someone in #helpdesk might have more recommendations that are more successful.

[knotty oriole]

i see, thanks a bunch though.

ok ye, im cooked

[verbal tangle]

Yeah its unfortunate, just kinda gets borked every once in awhile.

[knotty oriole]

found something, apparently theres a submit button next to the contract. Seems to work but didnt notice a money increase

[verbal tangle]

Submit will take a partially fullfilled contract and pay you proportionately to what was submitted. So if the contract was for 60 SCU and you delivered 30SCU the submit button will pay you 50% on the contract payout for 50% of the cargo, and mark it compete.

It was added I want to say in 4.4 as a QoL for missions getting broken after partial delivery, so people could still get some of the money, and full reputation rewards.

[knotty oriole]

ohhhhh

I see I see thanks!!!!

[verbal tangle]

Yeah np! Hopefully you can pick up some new contracts and enjoy the space trucking. Mining / Salvage / Hauling is such a vibe for me haha

[knotty oriole]

ye, excited to finally visit pyro/nyx once I experience most gameplay loops in stanton

[verbal tangle]

I started playing a little less than a year ago (Invictus 2025) and it wasn't until December I really started expanding gameplay into Pyro and Nyx. There's definitely plenty to keep you busy in Stanton if you aren't in a hurry. Best advice I'd give on it is there's absolutely no reason to push into the other systems before you feel prepared from a gameplay mechanics side of things, but it's also really not as daunting as newbie me thought it would be. So don't hold off on it just cause "Pyro is the PvP zone", honestly I've been hit by more pirates in Stanton lol

Depending on what your rate of conquest is, I'd recommend expanding into Pyro first anyway - its more developed, more to do there, could potentially give time for more updates to Nyx before you make your way out there.

[zenith ocean]

Hello, best station for high yield quantinium ?

[verbal tangle]

Quant I dont think has a definite "best yield" iirc

I'd check Yela though, i think that seems to be where most people do quant mining

[random patrol]

No you don't...or I didn't last night when I salvaged 3 ships outside terra gateway station....one being a Hull b

[covert dome]

was it game rules or non game rules

if it's game rules you don't, if it's got a signature or player sig, you do

[random patrol]

Gamerules with shields up

[covert dome]

i've salvaged ships that were non gamerules and got CS multiple times

yeah so game rules looks like ignores everything lol

[random patrol]

I was shocked because it was so easy just to scoop them all up

[peak wyvern]

What is gamerules?

[spare cloud]

It's a VOID or NULL value that represents the game. Ships owned by "Gamerules" are ships of which the owner has disconnected or claimed an other copy.

[peak wyvern]

How do you tell? No serial number?

[spare cloud]

Scan the ship.

Owner name is on the first page.

[peak wyvern]

Even if they are disconnected?

[spare cloud]

ˆˆˆˆˆ

[verbal tangle]

If they disconnect or put an insurance claim out, it gets marked as gamesrules. It's CIGs way of labeling it for salvagers as this is 100% legitimate salvage, and for criminal loops they can steal it and eventually sell it / process a new hull ID to own it themselves (in theory)

if they bedlogged, the ship would despawn, and if they disconnected via game crash, it would still mark the ship as owned by the player until the player rejoined a server.

So a ship marked as gamesrules is fairgame for whatever you wanna do right now. As a salvage enthusiast, I usually pick everything I want off of it and then detonate the ship.

[peak wyvern]

Are wrecks at outposts in Pyro from salvaging more than pvp?

[verbal tangle]

Not really sure what you are asking here.

[keen garden]

If there’s a ship at a pyro outpost usually it’s something a player left behind

Like they got out to explore and died, or logged off, etc

Could also be npc ships that fell out of the sky after being destroyed (bounty quests)

[fast timber]

thinking of getting a second account for MOLE mining (got a MSI Claw 8+ AI that runs Star Citizen more than well enough for the task); is this a good deal price wise or should i wait for another pack to be cheaper (like the Golem, idk if i need that with a Mole pledged even)

[spare cloud]

Best deal you can get.
Has nothing to do with #industrial-professions tho, other than the goal.

[frail cypress]

Is there a fix for "cargo transfer failed" when trying to buy commodities to ship inventory?
Also, why does it not let me buy it to station inventory?

[fast timber]

just put it in here cuz maybe people thought i should get some other ship or pack like the Golem pack

but ty :3

[grand shuttle]

Buy 1 crate at a time

[frail cypress]

Tried it, same error.

[grand shuttle]

No idea then

[spare cloud]

You can always upgrade to the Golem after for just the price difference, no good reason to pick any other package than the Aurora one.

[weak tinsel]

is the power x 5 x res% thing still accurate in terms of how much mass can i mine?

[pearl juniper]

as far as I know

[marsh ermine]

So I tried to pull up my most valuable material in the Lorville cargo elevator (957 and 935 grade) and they did not appear on the platform nor in the terminal, when I sent the elevator down again they did not appear in my inventory. Just want to warn anyone here who wants to move or share their good quality materials.

[keen garden]

It’s not gone

That’s a common issue

Pull up something else or try again later

[silver creek]

Okay I don't think I need the power

Cuz last night I found a 816 lind rock not the best but not horrid

I used 1 surge did nothing at 100% I used a second one and it immediately blew up

I'm assuming I wanna be not at 100% laser power if I use both

Or just get more crew so I don't need the surges

But tips on avoiding that

Cuz I used a sabir too

Idk if that was the play

[keen garden]

I always lower power before I use a surge

You can always put on another surge and try again if you run out of charges, but if you pop the rock you’re done

[silver creek]

Well I only used the charges once lol and the rock was gone

But noted I think I'll try and find one more person or a second too help

So im not trying too solo a 55k rock saw a 77k yesterday

[keen garden]

yea that's what i meant, start out slow, yea it feels wasteful but be wasteful with the things you can replace

[silver creek]

Ah gotcha yeah I'll take another crack at it soon

About too smoke either hop back on or hop on my mc server

[keen garden]

816 isn't the craziest of rocks, but always good to practice anyway on good rocks so you'll know how to deal with the 950 one you inevitably find

[silver creek]

I'm aware

But I was having horrid luck

[keen garden]

i woulda stopped for 816 any day of the week

[silver creek]

That was the highest I had found after 2 hours and 37 mins

[keen garden]

my lower bar is 750

[silver creek]

But yes that's the thing I want a good setup for when I do find a high quality like this I can take it nice and slow still crack the rock but without the chance of me blowing it up immediately

A random I had help me blew up a 915 rock

Really need too get a laptop for multi box setup with mole and especially for arra

[silver creek]

I wanna say mine is 950 for what I actually care about but I'm gonna be mining forever if that's the case

[pearl juniper]

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good

[silver creek]

me just like higher number cuz better

[cerulean delta]

Where can I find Stileron ? I checked Bloom, Pyro 4, Fuego. None of them has it. Checking Terminus next. Just bad luck ?

[jovial matrix]

Its a fairly rare ore, theres a good chance you just haven't seen it yet

[knotty oriole]

true true, just that I've seen some amazing pics probably of nyx on the loader. Gonna get familiar in stanton then expand out

[wary lantern]

how can i know the optimal range of my mining laser(s)

[spare cloud]

Look at the HUD on the left.

You don't have to know the range in meters, you can just look at this.

[icy fulcrum]

I was doing some hauling and found some like 3 contracts that required me to pick stuff up from one same tech facility but when i got there it said it was under outlaw control so i can't land to pick suff up :<

Am I just cooked or do I have to loberate it somehow?

[sharp flicker]

Is it still worth hauling like trade routes? I feel like everytime I try I just cannot sell because the demand is sooo low... :/

[wary lantern]

crafting completely cooked the value of anything that isn't relevant for crafting tbh

[sharp flicker]

I mean why is the demand so low in stations ? like when I try to sell commodities in stations demand is always so low i cannot sell anything

[covert dome]

they changed the speed at which supply/demand changes at stations

which has made it weird to predict, and UEX even worse since there was already a delay

[frail cypress]

Is there a reason to level shubin rep above contractor? Will higher levels unlock additional blueprints, or contracts that are worth doing?

[spare cloud]

When ?

[covert dome]

for 4.7

at least that's what i've heard

i may have been baited in here, because its in this discord i heard that information - as usual, didn't get any sources

[verbal tangle]

Was still 15 minutes last I tested

Might not be at the 15 minute of the hour, but was still refreshing every 15

[covert dome]

so its just unlucky then, since i saw a few people mention the speeds felt faster

welp, that's what i get for listening to anyone who isn't a fancy name / mod in here

mb yall

[verbal tangle]

For posterity sake is it one of the "veterans" who also claim a wipe is "Coming Soon"

[covert dome]

i have no idea because i can't find the post now and i'm feeling very

adhd moment

[verbal tangle]

you donedid got bamboozled

[covert dome]

yup

[random patrol]

Dont feel bad.....I just learned why some ships dont show up on radar and when they do its only for a few seconds.....Its because of the new power mechanic....meaning ships that are powered off only show in an active ping.

[verbal tangle]

You are partially right. The new radar system means each radar has a "passive detection range" and an "active detective range".

ships inside the passive range will show just as they always did. outside the passive range, the tab-ping will still register the ship if its inside the active detective range, but you need to give it time to get the full range readout before you do another ping or it will cancel the old one out

that's at least how it was working last saturday when I was doing some missions with a few orgmates

[spare cloud]

I think they're entirely right.
Because "passive" detection is EM/IR. And active is CS.
And EM/IR are zero when a ship is powered down.

[verbal tangle]

Pretty sure the ship we were using when we were playing was powered down and still showing on the passive detection, but I'd have to double check.

Actually no, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was powered on. If it was off, pretty sure it would have fallen to the ground instead of staying airborne, we were too close to a planet for it to stay airborne without engines

I stand corrected,

[keen garden]

One day it will

[quasi dagger]

If I get materials by ship mining for crafting, do i have to refine them to get them available to craft?

[spare cloud]

Yes.

[quasi dagger]

Thanks

[quasi dagger]

Is the mole bugged right now? The materials never show me it’s quality and it doesn’t show the optimal thing

[red granite]

Are you in the pilot seat or a laser seat?

[pearl juniper]

Mole is fine, but sometimes it takes a while to scan a rock

[quasi dagger]

turns out i had to scan it yeah from the pilot seat

but now it’s not showing composition

oh for fucks sake i got 34 quality aluminium never mind

[pearl juniper]

You can scan from any seat, but it takes a while. Speed is server dependant as well.

[red granite]

You're not going to get the optimal distance bar from the pilot seat

switch to mining mode there to get the composition and rock stats

[quasi dagger]

So if i find like 6 percent 681 quality material, will that be enough to put it in for my p4 or will i need more

So for example i have 495.49m scu rock and 16.79 is quality aluminium would that be enough for a p4

Also after i broke the rock for the first time i want to break it again to get the material I want because it’s mixed but the optimal thing isn’t showing

I’ve scanned it and all

[keen garden]

How may scu?

[spare cloud]

6%, ok. But 6% of what total SCU ?
And what do you mean with 495 "m" SCU rock ?

[keen garden]

Ah, 484.49 is a sub-1 scu rock

It’s small

Very small

[quasi dagger]

It says composition: 957.27m scu on my new rock

[quasi dagger]

Oh

I blew up that one anyway

[spare cloud]

Ah, "mSCU". milliSCU

[quasi dagger]

And 15 percent is the material i want

Oh

[keen garden]

Keep an eye out on the outline of the rock

[quasi dagger]

How can i break it again after the first time though as the optimal charge thing isn’t showing

[keen garden]

If it’s purple, you don’t need to crack it

[quasi dagger]

Oh

[keen garden]

Just extract it

[quasi dagger]

So now i have 0.15 scu of the quality material is that enough for a p4

[keen garden]

How much does a p4 need

Looks like .02-.04 depending on which part

So I’d say very likely enough after you refine

For that one part

[crystal thunder]

where is the best place to sell 8 scu containers of construction peices and rmc?

[verbal tangle]

Construction pieces need to be refined to CMAT before they can be sold

RMC can be sold to most refineries iirc, not sure if any one of them offers dramatically better prices

I havent done much trade-route gameplay the last few updates

uex should be able to give a halfway decent accurate guesstimate of pricing though, as a baseline

[keen garden]

Usually it’s terra mills for rmc in Stanton, if they aren’t full

[spare cloud]

Hard to sell any more than a Vulture or Fortune worth of RMC in Terra mills

[past fractal]

Best places to sell RMC are in Pyro. CMAT, once refined, is sellable all over Stanton

[foggy lark]

guys there is no option to bed log on the hull b, can anyone confirm that?

[keen garden]

i highly doubt it's not just hard to find

[pearl juniper]

Prospector with a Helix may not be the best choice for cracking Beradom, but it does work...

[past fractal]

Look to the side, hold F, right click, bottom option. If it's not there, you might be too close to a PoI

[lavish flower]

whats the best industry to work in nowadays returning player here

[red granite]

mining

[lavish flower]

bet

[frail cypress]

Take off your backpack. That worked for me when trying to bedlog in the mole.

[potent sable]

is the moth bugged? i have the internal storage full and both filler stations are stuck in ''preparing to eject''

[remote steppe]

Last time I read about it - the auto eject is indeed bugged and it's best to manually eject until resolved.

[karmic star]

What's the goto 900+ quality areas?

[quasi dagger]

why isnt the iron i mined showing in the refinery

[potent sable]

i see

i'll do that from now then

also is there any way to check where i left a refinery working? i cant remember which station i used

[remote steppe]

Pretty sure there's no dashboard for this yet. Hopefully they will add an app in Mobiglass at some point.
I think the best you can do is search in the game logs which stations have you visited last.
*\LIVE\Game.log
and older logs in:
*\LIVE\logbackups

[potent sable]

found it thanks

[potent sable]

oh ffs now it got stuck

[sweet thistle]

Can anyone help me mine 800 qual tungsten? Like right now cant break it alone in a mole

Heeelp

[silver creek]

#looking-for-session if u haven't

If not ask in game chat

What I do and it normally

Works

[silk flame]

what's a good place to sell scavenged ship components? I'm new to this loop

I'm also a bit confused, I've scavenged maelstrom PPs, but they aren't on sale anywhere https://finder.cstone.space/ShipPowerPlants1/662e4a88-d893-46fd-9fcc-e33e4b783fae

[pearl juniper]

most of the military and higher grade stealth components are not purchasable

[silver creek]

Too sell that would be too players either advertise in chat or #market-street #1019852856460853258

Okay I can't @ the ones that are here cool

Or I did it wrong

[silk flame]

ok so can't be sold to stations / NPCs?

[teal mountain]

no you can only do the role, don't ever try to @ here lmao that pings every user in the discord who is online

[silver creek]

Oh I see fair enough then

Tired and at work and I remember someone mentioning something about it last time

[silver creek]

No clue if u can tho u aren't gonna get the money u want tho

For example it may sell too a NPC for 50k or too a player for like 50m

[teal mountain]

think I mentioned "I wish discord adding something like this" lol

all good, no worries

[silver creek]

Depending on how good the part is

[silver creek]

See I was very sleep deprived then too and wasn't sure if u meant like it as a joke or were being serious

Cuz I was like wait u can do that but I see now

I may be a tad slow sometimes

I just wanna go home and work is busy

[silk flame]

I actually managed to sell it in port tressler, for a pittance. Each component < 1K

[silver creek]

Yeah depending on what it is u could get way more

[agile oyster]

The roc ds works the laser is aligned with the crosshair
The base roc has been broken for a long time right?

[buoyant torrent]

Hello is the reclaimer better than the vulture ?

[dapper widget]

anyone know how to unload a hull c with not from a hauling contract?

[spare cloud]

You mean, trading ?

[dapper widget]

yea selling the boxes at the commodity kiosk

[spare cloud]

Dock, go to trading terminal, select Hull-C, select auto unloading option, sell.
Go back to ship, undock, call cargo services, unload.

[dapper widget]

so i tried that and the ship didn't show up in the list of inventories

[green mountain]

also had that, ive been just using the external freight elevators

[dapper widget]

how do i do that, because ive tried hailing the cargo bay and nothing happens

[spare cloud]

Yeah, auto unloading is unreliable.

[spare cloud]

Just park there

[green mountain]

it could be wrong, but i just pull up and load it without asking

and hope noone steals my ship or my freight

[dapper widget]

where? idk where they are. i was kind of relying on the green box that's suppose to show up to let me know where it was

[green mountain]

i cant send a screenshot unfortunately, but at larger stations there are these large boxy areas with the external freights

let me see if i can grab a link or smth

https://youtu.be/UGXxaIRh0IU?t=311 you can see them here

Just on a slightly different note, is anyone getting bugged experienced rank food processing contracts? it fills maybe a quarter of the contract and then bugs out

and i cant remove of do anything with the cargo

[dapper widget]

thank you so much. I've actually just got a station to see my ship while docked am i supposed to call the cargo bay before or after i undock?

[green mountain]

no problem! Thats new for me lol, you might be on your own from here

ive only had luck manually doing it

[past fractal]

The reclaimer and the vulture are not comparable. The vulture is 90% a scraping ship, that prints 1 SCU boxes of RMC and caps out at 40 SCU (and you gotta know how to fit those last few).

The reclaimer is a capital munching ship that turns ships into chunks and prints various sized boxes up to 16 SCU of CMAT. It's maximum capacity is 2,292 SCU, and you have to get creative stacking, storing, and even unloading all that. The CMAT has to be refined too, which means reclaimers in Stanton are currently not very viable, only Pyro and Nyx.

Price wise, they couldn't be much further apart either. The vulture is priced at 175$ or around 2 million in game, and the reclaimer is currently 400$ (but slated to go up when its onboard refinery comes online), or about 30 - 33 million depending on which one you buy.

[plush sandal]

The vulture and fortune, Is the vulture just 2x as fast at scraping as the fortune?

[frail cypress]

Why aren't they viable in Stanton?

[pearl juniper]

just annoying to unload since none of the places with refineries have XL hangars

[agile oyster]

Do I need my mole for rock breaker?
And is there NPC ships to kill there ?

[frail cypress]

Can't you dock to stations and have the refinery take the stuff directly from cargo grid? Or store ship and then refine?

[pearl juniper]

Yes, but people running the reclaimer seem to have trouble limiting themselves to just the cargo grid

[jovial matrix]

No, the vultures heads are about half as efficient as the fortunes one head

[plush sandal]

For some reason erkul wasnt showing these numbers on mobile but I can see them now on desktop. Thanks. Looks like the main upside to the vulture is that it has a slightly larger collection radius on all of it's heads

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

Vulture has a bigger radius, it cracks ships faster, and it can carry more cargo in one go

[flint breach]

yea vulture is awsome

[past fractal]

The Reclaimer's grid is only 420 SCU split between two different floors and requires a myriad of box sizes to fill completely. When running a Reclaimer, the grid is more of hindrance than actually useful

[past fractal]

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[plush sandal]

Can the salvation munch the same sips the fortune can? I'm guessing no

[jovial matrix]

No, the salvation can fracture size 3 and below ships, fortune/vulture can fracture up to size 4 ships

[past fractal]

Has anyone here ever encountered a bug (possibly MOTH only), where you fracture and them disintegrate a ship, but nothing goes into your hopper?

I've only had it happen once, and I noticed that the screen was very distorted and laggy when it happened

[nimble swift]

anyone know the best place to look for tungsten and gold?

[steady swallow]

Reclaimer owner here. I solo it as well as sometimes group with friends..But yes it is nice that you can refine CM straight from the reclaimer (as long as the cargo is snaped on correctly on the cargo grids). As for extra I always have either 16scu crate RMC or CM on the walk way above tilted so it doesnt fall down.

Just remember after you refine the CM put it into the station inventory..every test i have done going from refining back to the reclaimer the refined CM dissapears

[restive wren]

anyone able to share what the good good trade route is rn?

[unique ridge]

did you check on uex?

[restive wren]

i'm never sure how much uex can be trusted the info's usually days old and the prices are upside down when i go to a station

[unique ridge]

yeah i always go check the locations before i run it

but it's a good start point when looking for routes

so many variables in a good route, what ships do you have, how much can you afford to lose, do you want autoload, etc

uex helps to narrow that stuff down

[restive wren]

mmm true true, fair do, best get flying then

[past fractal]

My issue with the Reclaimer right now mostly boils down to it needing a severe rework, and its onboard refinery. Compared to the MOTH, the Reclaimer is just a waste of time, resources, hands, and effort. I can match a Reclaimer's output in half the time solo in a MOTH for CMAT

[small creek]

does anyone know how to fix my problem with refining my construction rubble its not showing up in the refining tab even though i have almost 200 in green glade warehouse

[past fractal]

Do you have a lot of other stuff there, like empty CMAT boxes, parts, etc?

[small creek]

yeah

my warehouse is filled with empty boxes

[past fractal]

The refinery pulls from a "scan" of your item list, and it can only "see" the first page in the cargo manager. You need to pull a small bike onto the hangar, open the doors, and throw all those empty boxes into space

[small creek]

thanks let me see if that works

[past fractal]

That's another problem with the Reclaimer right now. 125 size 16 boxes that are empty...

[small creek]

is there a way to get the moth beside using real money

[past fractal]

Not at the moment, no.

[small creek]

🙁

[past fractal]

It will come to in-game shops in 4-5 months

At this point, the MOTH is probably the only salvage ship I'm going to fly until the Reclaimer is fixed. It's almost too good

[small creek]

im stuck with the vulture till they add the moth

[past fractal]

The Vulture is at least the best of that class. The Fortune is fast, but has too little storage, and the Salvation... I don't know what they were thinking there... flying that thing has to be a violation of international laws against inhumane torture

[jovial matrix]

The salvation is a starter ship for a reason, I think it performs in its role very well

[past fractal]

Even as far as starters go (I have one of each kind), the Salvation is just so much worse at its job than the others

[jovial matrix]

It salvages faster than the vulture/fortune, its just limited in cargo space, cause its a starter. Idk how else they ould've made it a starter if they didn't intentionally give it less cargo space

It would be terrible to make it salvage really slow, so cargo space is kinda the only way they could balance it

[past fractal]

The cargo space and speed are fine, it's the size to beam modifier

[jovial matrix]

I think thats more than made up for with how fast it actually scrapes

[past fractal]

Idk, that thing is torturous on my eyes, having to constantly move and flick the screen slightly

[jovial matrix]

Unless im crazy and it doesnt have gimbals, you should try using it while gimballed

Dont have to move the ship around as much

[past fractal]

The gimbals are very compact at its operating range

Hell, if they gave it more operating range, that would work too

Like, another 20m

[silk jetty]

Hiya everyone! I've been having some weird issues for direct cargo hauling for days now that seems to persist PC restarts, game restarts, and alt+f4. Is there anyone who might be able to jump in a vc and help sometime? (If it helps: I'm in a Hull C)

[keen garden]

if you mean the autoloading with the green box, it's been hit or miss for a while now

[silk jetty]

I get it to load, but... not the whole thing. I'm not 100% sure if the issue is loading of offloading

[keen garden]

yea that's been one of the long-standing issues

you aren't doing anything wrong

[silk jetty]

I used to have a full list of troubleshooting steps, but it looks like I can't remember them correctly lol

[silk jetty]

Unfortunate~

[keen garden]

most of them were more or less wiggle till it starts working, but..

[silk jetty]

It worked a few months ago, but yeah

Yeah

[keen garden]

yea it got better for a patch then suddenly it doesn't seem to work much at all

[silk jetty]

I suppose that's the issue of having one main thing: makes the game hard to play

I take it no one's really found a workaround?

[keen garden]

IMO the most fun form of cargo/logistics is crew based. for example, a salvage night. run a reclaimer + 2 laser operators, a hull C, someone running security, and just crank through the large lawful salvage missions. Cargo crew pulls cargo off of ship and rmc/cmats off of the reclaimer, salvage crew does salvage, and security sounds the alarm if they need to get into armistice

a group activity, working toward a goal (creating things to sell/process) with multiple playstyles having a role

[silk jetty]

Yeah, I've got a reclaimer but no friends to use it with

Note to self: alt+f4 while cargo spindle is out = bugged spindle after "unloading" cargo

[sleek bridge]

Whats best spot in stanton to mine quantanium?

Or high quality minerals in general

[keen garden]

There isn’t one

Fairly similar chance everywhere for high quality stuff, and quant has the same chance everywhere in Stanton

[sleek bridge]

And what are the biggest rocks I can crack?

[random patrol]

Couldn't be easier. All these juicy abandoned ships = free $

[long frost]

There's also those unverified salvage hull c missions where the spindles carry large amounts of commodities like iron and stuff. A cargo team can yeet the cargo onto another hull c and after that it can be salvaged @silk jetty

[silk jetty]

Hmmm, maybe

[long frost]

I mean you could just take the cargo solo that's also a valid approach

[silk jetty]

Yeah, don’t know anyone lol

Otherwise, I’d use my reclaimer

I happen to be a Merchantman waiter lmao

Can always wait longer for a bug fix lol

[long frost]

Oh my condolences

[silk jetty]

insert it’s been 84 years gif here

[covert dome]

I really hope its intended to be able to munch Game Rules ships in armistice

because this change has been huge for salvage loop

[random patrol]

Ikr? For the past few days all I have been doing is wandering around salvaging ships at stations...

[covert dome]

yeah did that too

[thorn marsh]

hey for any of the hull C users out there, you currently need to manually load boxes because using the cargo deck to autoload results in all of your cargo being loaded onto 1 cargo spindle, and the boxes are stacked inside of each other and the autoloader cannot remove the ones improperly loaded, and you have to manually tractor beam each box, but because they are loaded inside of each other, the physics bugs and the boxes go flying. hope this helps yall

[silk jetty]

With that in mind… I’d be more than happy if there’s a couple of folks who want to crew my reclaimer

[random patrol]

You know what ive figured out also? After you fracture a ship you can yank its components out of the broken fuselage im sure it was already known but im slow

[long frost]

btw try #looking-for-session 🙂 i'm sure you will find some guys

[warped cipher]

whats up guys.. tried doing some salvaging.. i have 60k worth of rmc to sell.. commodity shop says "inventory is full" what am i suppposed to do? tried 3 different stations

[keen garden]

How are you deciding which stations to sell at?

[olive gull]

not all stations buy not any kind of stuff
did you tried at

https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer

[keen garden]

Terra mills can also often be full, orison is always accepting rmc

[warped cipher]

i have no idea.. i just did a salvage mission, then went to admin building to sell at my home base hur l1

also tried tdd at area18

[keen garden]

Try using uex to find places to sell, specifically look for the “last” columns on available SCU and price, and when that last value was provided

There’s currently three locations that consistently buy rmc in Stanton

[olive gull]

i havent done salvaging since they nerferd the RMC prices..
but, is RMC still in need to be refined before sell?

[keen garden]

No

[warped cipher]

no idea how to navigate the uex site.. makes me want to jump off cliff just looking at it lol

[keen garden]

Cmat precursors need to be refined to cmat, but rmc is just rmc

[olive gull]

yeah, use the link i gave ya above, Trade Tools

[warped cipher]

i chose rmc and the amount... is whats listed who is selling or buying?

[olive gull]

buying

you sell your stuff to them

can filter by Star System, like Stanton

[keen garden]

You can also filter it to Stanton if you don’t want to leave Stanton, yes ^

And if you find Terra mills full, you can wait 20 min and it should be back

[warped cipher]

thanks so much guys.. been on struggle bus for 2 days lol

do you guys think this is a good way to make money? i want to make millions so i can buy more ships.. i pledged for a vulture so using that

[olive gull]

yeah, salvaging is a decent way, bit slow on making the coins tho..
save up to 3.3m and then buy a RAFT to do Cargo missions, its easier and faster

[warped cipher]

i actually rented a raft but when i loaded on elevator it kept bugging.. wasted like 2 hours so i stopped lol

this was like 2 months ago though.. .havent tried recently

[olive gull]

that, im afraid, happens with any ship

trick is, if you see the ship glitched, hurry up back to the terminal outside the hangar, and store the glitched ship

then go down to your hangar and call the ship from the hangar's Terminal, dont wait too long or ship will be destroyed

[keen garden]

Another way to prevent it is: call the ship up and immediately send it back down, then go to the hangar and pull the ship up

If you already have a hangar, just pull it up in the hangar

It’s just the first ship that spawns when you spawn a fresh hangar that has a high chance to be eaten

[agile oyster]

It happens every time if your store your ship from the hanger terminal then call it from the lobby terminal
If you store it from the lobby terminal you can call it from the lobby without a problem
If you your no longer have a hanger it works to call the ship from the lobby and store it again then pull it up and it won’t be bugged

[random patrol]

Imo it's a good start. 👍 im a daily salvager just roaming around munching ships...easy few mil here and there. Its not fast money but its relaxing

Fwiw Moth is life

[jovial matrix]

Fortune is forever

[warped cipher]

still having trouble... i flew my rmc to terra hydro farms.. had to unload into elevator.. took my stuff.. didnt pay me

[random patrol]

What drugs are you on?

[jovial matrix]

Idk what you mean, its the best

[random patrol]

The best what?

[jovial matrix]

The best, just in general

Its one of my favorite ships

[random patrol]

I suggest taking the rmc to a station...I dont bother with those small locations even though they might pay you a little more.

[jovial matrix]

Orison is always a safe bet

[random patrol]

For rmc? Let me check

[warped cipher]

i have a vulture, a raft, and a gladius.. what is the best way to make money.. salvage is kinda fun.. but so many problems with selling

oh and a prospector

[spare cloud]

Selling is fine if you don't use auto (un)loading.

[mortal stirrup]

hi everyone, what's a good upgrade to aim for if I mostly wanna focus on hauling. I'm currently running a C1 spirit and while I do enjoy the semi bigh space, would be nice with a larger ship. I mostly fly solo but would be nice for a potential friend or two

[random patrol]

Mining is a little more....involved

[spare cloud]

Hermes is great

[random patrol]

Cargo runs in the raft would be a decent bet

[jovial matrix]

The raft is an excellent hauler, but thats all it does. If you want a more multi-purpose ship, the constellation taurus and starlancer MAX are both good options, without being super big

[mortal stirrup]

Did not know the capacity of the hermes, yikes

great recomendation

[spare cloud]

And can fit easy 400+ with off grid.

[mortal stirrup]

Thanks everyone! will look into each ship and decide. Is there anyone that you guys know on top of your head ISN'T purchasable with in-game currency?

[wicked granite]

Hey guys, am I too far from the right formula to check if an asteroid is fracturable when I use this : AsteroidMass has to be inferior to Laserpower x resistance% x 4

?

[jovial matrix]

Th hermas is pledge only right now, im like 95% sure

[mortal stirrup]

That's unfortunate. But porbably gonna be a couple of mil when I comes out of pledge so have some time to grind :)

[keen garden]

I don’t think a simplistic formula like that can broadly work, given different lasers provide different amounts of resistance reduction/increase etc

[wicked granite]

Laser flat reduce the resistance

[keen garden]

You need x power to break a rock with y mass, resist reduces x,

Or.. well increases it technically when worded that way, but yea

And then you throw in modules, and gadgets,

[wicked granite]

Yeah, that's what I use more or less but I found that's the multiple "4" always come close to asteroid mass when multiplied by Laserpower and resist

[keen garden]

Just run a common loadout and get familiar with what resist and mass combos for that loadout need which lasers/tools

[wicked granite]

The close I am to the asteroid mass value, the close I am to the impossible limit

[keen garden]

Like on my mole I know that my hofstead can break most 5k or under rocks regardless of resistance, with low resistance that number grows quite a bit, but also on low resistance rocks they tend to also be low instability so I just safely crack them with my helix anyway to save time etc

And I also know that on 1k or smaller rocks my hofstead is too powerful at 60m from cockpit so I position 105m away

[wicked granite]

What head ?

[keen garden]

I named two there

I use helix up front, and hofsteads on the sides

Helix runs reiger-c3 + surge/stampede

[wicked granite]

Oh right, read too quick

[keen garden]

I tend to be able to just phone in a friend if I find a highly valuable rock that would require me to use my actives solo

Takes longer, but it’s worth it on a 900+ rock

[wicked granite]

For example, I run the helix on main (4080 laser power)
I just tried rn on an asteroid of mass 13800 with 60%
It's impossible to break but when I use the helix + gadget to lower resist 21% it's medium (formula give 13400)
Before using gadget, I had 41%, it was still impossible (formula gave 11500)

There is something here that I need to pinpoint but for now, it seems to work with all asteroid I found but I'm still working on it

When I'm over the value of the mass of asteroid, it's easy
I need more data 🤔

[keen garden]

Was it actually impossible (couldn’t move the line) or did you not try without the gadget

Several of the rockbreaker rocks displayed as impossible but were pretty easy to break with my helix setup

Though… to me I consider anything that can be cracked without using the surge as easy, stampede alone is easy to manage and has a long window, so plenty of time to get the right power level to safely crack it, where as when you bring in the surge you’re on a short time frame

But on a high resistance rock like that, the surge has a very big impact

I try to avoid relying on gadgets with asteroids because it’s too time consuming to both get them to attach and to align the graph with Eva constantly moving you

Use them on surface mining all the time tho

[pearl juniper]

Perhaps I missed it, what other modules do you have installed? Are you doing these calcs on the fly, or do you have a copy of my spread sheet? #industrial-professions message

x5 is the ratio I have heard in the past and is what that is based on. If it changed to x4 that's good to know, although I haven't found a situation where x5 didn't work (yet). Not that I have done a ton of mining recently, but I have done some.

[wicked granite]

I do it with a calculator for now
I usually use gadget or module that lower the resistance like sabir or surge

[pearl juniper]

I do think there's something weird going on with the resistance reduction. In game, when you look at a rock with a helix equipped, the resistance number goes down and the resistance value turns green to indicate it is being buffed. But in the past I have noticed that the max you can crack still aligns with the value on my chart with the NEW resistance value, so it's like the resistance reduction is being applied twice (since it's already taken into account on my chart)

[pearl juniper]

grab that spread sheet and see what you think. Let me know if you find any situations where it says you can crack it but you can't, I'm curious!

[wicked granite]

Do you mind sharing your spreadsheet to compare with what I find ?

[pearl juniper]

it's in that link I posted

[wicked granite]

Thanks !

[pearl juniper]

I try not to spam the chat with it over and over and instead just link back to when I originally posted it.

[wicked granite]

I'll study that and get back if I find anything usefull

[wicked granite]

Understandable

[keen garden]

I use https://rockbreaker.peacefroggaming.com/ when I actually want to pre-math out what I’ll need to crack a rock

I like how it lets me create separate loadouts and choose beteeen them on the fly on the main tab

Like for me I setup my group with two moles, one with two hofsteads and one with two impacts, now I have 6 lasers I can turn on and off that more or less represent what I’m carrying with me

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, looks like it does basically the same as my sheet. A little more advanced. When I created mine nothing of the sort existed that I was aware of. Interestingly it seems to give very slightly different results, but it's within a couple percent.

Mostly I created mine to help pre-determine if it was even worth expending an active module on a rock.

[keen garden]

What seems weird to me is… I cracked a 60k rock solo in my mole with known stats in 4.5, and none of these tools show that there’s a way i could have cracked it

That one

But maybe I was doing something wrong

[pearl juniper]

In theory that would be possible with multiple surge modules running at the same time. Hard as hell to control, but the power is possible.

[keen garden]

I think I used it wrong, yeah I’m seeing possible break now with surge surge stampede

It already had a sabir on it

[pearl juniper]

that will help a little, although not much on a rock with only 19% resistance

oh, it had 19% resistance after the sabir

[keen garden]

Yes

[pearl juniper]

cause the number is green, right

[keen garden]

Instability is red because helix 10%

[pearl juniper]

yep

so that means the 19% is with the helix boost applied as well?

[keen garden]

Yup

[pearl juniper]

so the actual resistance was way higher. Hard for me to plug that into my calculator since it (is supposed to) calculate everything off of the base resistance before modifiers.

[keen garden]

At least that’s what I think it is given the screenshot tbh

I’ve slept many times since then

I know 100% it had a sabir on it at that point in time

I don’t remember exactly what modules I had on

[icy verge]

Where to find lindinium? I flew around Nyx belts scanning asteroids for over an hour and didn't find anything.

Am I unlucky, bad, or thats how it goes?

[keen garden]

Seems relatively common to me in the glacium ring

More common than savrilium

But I also haven’t really done that much mining for it, so maybe I got lucky

[wicked granite]

Is it possible to have below 0 resistance ? That could increase fracturability 🤔

[spare cloud]

Nope

Not afaik.

[wicked granite]

Holy fuck, I knew it, it's what I thought the formula is on this site

(Mass / (1 - (Resist × 0.01))) / 5

Was not sure if x5 or x4

Seems to be x5 but lately x4 was more fitting

I need to test more

[keen garden]

Yeah resist is multiplicative

Additional sources of -resist have less and less effect, never reaching 0

[wicked granite]

Yeah but the relation between laserpower and asteroid mass is just a simple X multi

5 by the look of it

[keen garden]

Likely

if you ignore modules

[wicked granite]

But I found better fracturability by using x4

[wicked granite]

Indeed, you need to add thing that increase/deacrease laser power

[keen garden]

What you can do is calculate your laser’s power based on your module loadout

Then 5x that instead of the base laser value

7,968.75 for 3x reiger 3

[wicked granite]

Without resist you could break a 40k asteroid

with no resist ofc

[keen garden]

Pretty limiting, but yea

[wicked granite]

But I need to be sure that it's not x4, I found it pretty more fitting before you linked your website

[keen garden]

Surge module is what, 150%?

[wicked granite]

Yeah

x7

15s

[keen garden]

Numbers get crazy with actives

But

It’s important to note that the green bar moves really slowly if you just barely have enough power and it isn’t unstable

[wicked granite]

15s is nothing when you need to break it yeah

[keen garden]

I generally prefer rocks with a little instability over none

Having no fluctuation at all kinda puts you in a false sense of security, thinking you can stop it from climbing when it’s climbing quickly, but then realize you gotta go from 100% to 30 to stop it from climbing

Instability in the other hand has a somewhat predictable variance to it

As long as the variance can be reduced to smaller than the size of the green zone, it’s ez

[wicked granite]

Sometimes, the green zone is really thin tho xD

[sleek bridge]

I dont understand why I cant crack quant rocks(Surge,Sabir,Focus 3) pls help:/

[wicked granite]

What's the mass of the asteroid ?

[sleek bridge]

17000

And one was 14000 i think

[keen garden]

What ship?

A helix 2 should easily manage that

Green zone will be small tho without a sabir

So put a sabir on it if using a helix

[wicked granite]

I suppose he use a solo ship, an helix I will need the x2 rieger C3 and a sabir I think

for 17k

Is it normal that the game doesn"t take into account the module when checking the fracturability of a rock btw ?

That may be why I thought that the multi was 4 and not 5

Which seems to be indeed 5 in the end

[trim scarab]

Does the bushdrift / aftershock morozov suit just not have a blueprint? scmDB doesn’t state that any missions are tied to them

[keen garden]

Doesn’t

Lot of them are missing blueprints

[sleek bridge]

A golem

[sleek bridge]

Drake golem

[keen garden]

That 100% need a sabir on quant rocks with a golem

the golem increases resistance, and for a rock that already has resistance it gets even worse

But also you will struggle with instability…

It’s not gonna be a good time either way. You have a couple options, but you can break a 17k quant rock with a golem

[sleek bridge]

Round about what weight can I crack?

[trim scarab]

Damn, was just about to make a mix set of antium and Morozov

[sleek bridge]

It always says impossible🤷‍♂️

[keen garden]

It always will

Doesn’t mean you can’t crack it

Impossible meter doesn’t take into account active mining modules

[trim scarab]

Kinda sad but i guess I’ll rock the regular quality stuff until they release more blues

[sleek bridge]

I put 100% laserpower on it and nothing happend

[keen garden]

You’re gonna need active mining modules

Like a surge + stampede

It’s the only way to push the limits

[sleek bridge]

Should I change focus 3 for stampede?

Okay thanks

[keen garden]

do you already have surge?

Ah I see, yea. So with the stampede you should be able to make the line move

[sleek bridge]

Yes

Okay cheerd

[keen garden]

But instability will still be high, you can counter that with a boremax if you don’t actually need the sabir

Or if you have a buddy

If you can post a screenshot of the Rock for us with your laser in extract mode we can do the math for ya

Just need mass, resist, and instability

[sleek bridge]

Ill see for myself next time, I found like 4 rocks earlier that I couldnt crack and then gave up

But thanks that helps out alot

[icy verge]

As far as scanning and radars, you just want something with 100% RS right?

To be able to pickup and scan rocks at max distances

[agile oyster]

I think it is some sort of server issue
I have had the same problem some rocks take more power to break then should be required sometimes

[keen garden]

Kinda… it really only seems to affect how close to your ship resource names show up

Doesn’t affect actual scanning as far as I can tell

I run the mil grade a now, but at min power

[icy verge]

So radar power only effects aim assist and nothing in "scan mode" good to know.

[keen garden]

More or less, it modifies how far out things go from unknown to known

Well… I don’t think it affects that on rocks, I misspoke heh

Things as in things with an em and ir sig

Like wildlife and ships

Rocks don’t have em or ir

[random patrol]

SO many abandonded Hull C's at Terra

[zenith ocean]

cant see my completed working order at the refinery, any workaround ?

[astral leaf]

I am the deacon, the will manifest of the Scrapgod itself. Direct any Salvage related questions my way.

[olive gull]

tried on another server already?

[astral leaf]

Do not doubt my oily proverbs!

[silk jetty]

Idk wtf happened between yesterday and today, but I can do cargo hauling again

Or not... it broke for anything larger than 500scu

[zenith ocean]

Yes

[glass dust]

Is it possible to use abrades on salvation?

[jovial matrix]

yup!

[placid void]

Is the Hull A with full stealth a viable stealth cargo ship similar to the prowler utility?

[remote steppe]

OX is the alternative to the Utility because it has the tractor beam. Hull A is stealthy, but you need to exit the ship to place things onto the grid.

[placid void]

Manually is no problem, I prefer ships with interiors when doing cargo. And never much liked the golem look xD

[rose lion]

is it worth doing salvaging these days?

I know cargo hauling is a good way to make money, but I'm wondering how much RMC and such is worth when it comes to prioritizing cargo space

[random patrol]

Depends on what ship you are using for salvage.

[rose lion]

solo/2 person reclaimer most likely

[random patrol]

IMO its still a decent way to make $ - ive been running the moth a lot during 4.7 and ive managed a good amount of $. Cargo is to monotonous for me even though you might get more $ out it

I dont waste time with RMC though

I cant stand scraping

[rose lion]

so what did you do with the moth

you got the uhhh CM?

[agile oyster]

The reclaimer scraps fast enough that it’s not painful
But it’s torture scraping with the moth/ fortune
The speed modifier for the moth needs to be at lest 8 not 3.6

[severe sentinel]

Amen brother

[random patrol]

Fracture and disintegrate

Ive been mainly salvaging abandoned ships around stations.

[placid void]

can the moth fracture ships from the pilot seat?

[random patrol]

Yes

[placid void]

I might look into getting then it becomes avaibale for auec

[random patrol]

224 scu total plus a small cargo area

[past fractal]

the 224 includes the small cargo area, including the hopper and dispenser, you have 304 SCU

[verbal tangle]

all of the cargo capacity (not including the hopper) can be used for classic hauling as well. So with the MOTH you basically have a slightly larger raft when it comes to running freight

[frank oak]

What would be the end goal for a Orion when it’s available?

[spare cloud]

Mining enough materials to feed an org player station and Pioneer, and making big cash.

[frank oak]

Sorry, what’s a org player?

[spare cloud]

org player station

[frank oak]

Ooooh

[frank oak]

So like a personal station.

[spare cloud]

Hmm uh, org station.

Personal is a stretch

[frank oak]

Sure

Thank you!

[shadow anchor]

Me waiting for 1.0

[keen garden]

Hmm… how is this a closed loop after they just finished describing base building as requiring a pioneer

[spare cloud]

Pioneer is only required for XL building.

There's the Starlancer BLD, the Galaxy, the Forge, the Anvil Atlas ground vehicle platform BLD variant and other ships people dream and cope with...
Even a CSV-BLD iirc ?

[keen garden]

Why would I go through 5 extra steps to build a hornet when I could instead skip buying a mustang and buy a hornet

[hollow gazelle]

From what I've seen crafting grants better stats. So while you could buy one. If you end up in a battle against a craft one, stat wise it may have a slight advantage.

[peak wyvern]

Im hoping for a caterpillar module that builds, or deploys ground extractors

[olive gull]

unfortunatelly the Cat requires a mayor re-design in order to be any near to useful
they already 'fixed' the cargo elevator several patches ago, used to be A LOT worse,
but it is still too annoying to load/unload
that is why you wont see any non NPC Caterpillars outhere.

[sleek bridge]

where have I best chance at finding quant and metal panels to salvage in stanton?

[olive gull]

quantanium is mining and panels is Salvaging, 2 very different things bro, pick one

[sleek bridge]

yeah well no shit but Id like to try both

[olive gull]

best of luck then

[sleek bridge]

Say wallahi bro

[keen garden]

Quant, everywhere in Stanton

Panels, anywhere in space where there’s rocks and stuff

[pearl juniper]

Maybe they are implying they plan to lock many ships behind reputation or other gates?

[keen garden]

I think it’s more likely just an old aspirational plan that won’t actually play out in that way

[pearl juniper]

Could be

Just speculation either way really

[keen garden]

At the end of the day their job is to create a game many kinds of people want to play, the current game fulfills that fairly well: you can login, run cargo all day, or ship combat missions, or salvage, or mining, fps, nothing really gets in the way of any playstyle. You don’t need an org, or a crew, or player trading, you can just get in and play. Explore the verse.

Crafting is an essential feature for bringing a lot of these systems together, but as crafting begins to give bigger and bigger advantages, and as systems like base building start to depend heavily on multiple of these different game loops that aren’t necessarily interesting/fun for everyone, it starts creating barriers

Does someone who wants to be a fighter pilot in the verse really want to go mining for days/weeks to find high quality enough materials to make a decent ship?

Nah, they’re gonna earn money fighting ships and buy it

A generalist player certainly could do it all themselves,

But this vision that someone who wants to be a fighter pilot in verse spending money on a prospector and mining for hours to make a base and a fabricator then hours more to make a hornet seems like chores to someone who just wants to do the fighter pilot bit

[agile oyster]

Once they fix the economy and do a full wipe People that don’t want to mine can buy the materials from people that do

[keen garden]

Particularly once they get the player market to be a bit less hands on

Aka selling terminals

[agile oyster]

That will be great
Having to meet for every trade is annoying

[keen garden]

Annoying, risky, time consuming, doesn’t work well cross-time zones or language barriers,

[peak wyvern]

Everyone won't need to craft, but everyone will want what is crafted

And stuff will be sold wherever people want to sell it

Probably will have player delivery contracts, for door to door delivery

[silk jetty]

cries

I’m hoping they’ll do a bit more with the market this Summer

And then… maybe…

The ship that brought me to SC 10 years ago

[pearl juniper]

I think it really depends on if the vision is for it to remain a bunch of barely connected "game loops" within a bigger "game", or an actual GAME that ties everything together into one cohesive thing. The "game loop" model makes sense for testing features in alpha, and it's what people have gotten used to, but I'm not sure it makes much sense for a "real game".

[keen garden]

don't get me wrong, i love crafting and where it's going

😉

but for it to make sense some of these supporting systems need to make it in post haste

like... the ability to somehow transfer an item to our logistics division without having to set a time and place for it to happen manually

async player to player trades

[pearl juniper]

yeah, player trading via an automated shop would go so far to fixing so many things. That and wiping the excess currency from the economy / fixing the exploits...

[keen garden]

mining... quality launched lacking super important features that we know we're getting in 4.8, so i'll give it a pass for now

though... it's not in the current ptu so..

[agile oyster]

What features are missing ?

[keen garden]

merging and splitting of refined materials

[agile oyster]

So you don’t have to have 1000 1 scu boxes

[keen garden]

yup, that and... operationally it's more convenient for trade to force all of your stuff to common quality bands

like... sub 500 junk, 650, 750, 800, etc

[agile oyster]

That would be great

[shrewd robin]

Question, do active mining modules recharge at landing zones? Or do I have to swap the mout after all their uses are done?

[agile oyster]

Yes repairing will replace them but won’t recharge if you used them a few times so totally use them or pull them off before repairing with your tractor beam

[gritty quiver]

Is salvage refining working this patch?

[past fractal]

Sort of. It works, but you end up with "Empty" boxes that the only thing you can do with is chuck them into space. They can, and will, destroy your ability to continue refining unless you get rid of them.

[gritty quiver]

Really? So no salvage-refining- selling gameplay loop now!?

Thanks for the answer anyways!

[past fractal]

How did you take that away from what I wrote..? The loop is there, but you have to dispose of the empty boxes...

[gritty quiver]

If you can’t sell them.. maybe I don’t understand the point? .. I haven’t accepted any money during this duping thing so the grind making money is part of my enjoyment. And if I can’t sell

[past fractal]

You can sell just fine. The empty boxes are left over when you 'empty' them into the refinery

[gritty quiver]

Ohhhhh. Yea I did misunderstand. Thanks. I just kept getting an error when I go to refine.

[red granite]

the boxes of pieces/rubble/salvage that you print from your ship and then refine into CM will be returned empty to your inventory.
Completely separate from the refined CM boxes you receive from refining.
The original boxes need to be dealt with by chucking into space or whatever.
The rest of the loop is perfectly fine.
You will receive filled CM boxes to sell.

[gritty quiver]

Thanks for the answers!

[weak tinsel]

is the refinery surcharge in cash (more refining cost) or in ore amount of refined material? as i have refined a bit of ore and with the "best" method it has a yield of about 50% raw to refined scu

[pearl juniper]

cash and, they all say that. I always figured it was more just in game lore than any actual real capacity thing. It's just decoration.

[weak tinsel]

hmm then the refinery yields changed

[peak wyvern]

Surcharge probably to motivate building a base to refine from after you can afford it

[keen garden]

Yields only change with chosen refining method and refinery bonuses

[naive shale]

Hey, just kinda coming back to the game after a long time. Does anyone have a good breakdown on salvage loop? How to get better contracts and such? I vaguely remember how to strip the outer hull then break the ship and suck it up but....been a hot minute

[olive gull]

they nerfed RMC prices,
CMats produce decent income, but they need to be refined just as in Mining

[naive shale]

Refining right...gota learn that...yea just kinda wanna get back into the gameplay loop to be able to when they do those materials changes they talked about in the crafting videos

[keen garden]

It isn’t significantly different on the scraping/cracking part

Only thing that has changed is profits and you have to refine cmats before you can sell it

[naive shale]

And you still sell it at the station terminals and such?

[keen garden]

Panels aren’t near as profitable as they used to be

Yup

[naive shale]

Also how do you get contracts for bigger salvage, tried and it was all small figuters

[keen garden]

Right now best bet is the adagio contracts, and sometimes there will be decent cargo on the ship

Do a few smaller ones

[olive gull]

bigger contracts will unlock when you rise up your rep

[naive shale]

okay

[naive shale]

I got one where it just wanted 1scu of rmc....but couldn't figure out how to deliver it

[keen garden]

Ah, those are the new rep contracts

They’re different and… quite inconvenient imo

[olive gull]

drop the box on your freight elevator, at your hangar

[keen garden]

They work just like collection contracts

[olive gull]

and pull it down, a prompt for the mission will show

[keen garden]

They don’t care where you get the item

[naive shale]

10-4....is the an option for stations? Cause no hanger for reclaimer

[keen garden]

Except for parts they need to be not contracted, so you kinda have to get them from the paid salvage contracts

Grabbing parts off of outlaw ships and player ships won’t work for some reason

[olive gull]

we now have External Freight Elevators on all space Stations, you can park the ship next to it and use the elevator

[naive shale]

Ah, will have to look next time, thanks

Kinda only done ship combat for the last....two ish years....missed a lot...and don't know how a ton of stuff works anymore

[keen garden]

Only works at stations that actually have cargo elevators, tho, I think it’s just the stations with cargo centers?

Gateways, the big ones above main cities, the three stations in pyro,

and levski

[hearty wren]

how do you deal with extreme difficulty ores when ship mining with the prospector?

do you guys use gadgets ?

[native aurora]

I have commodities question. When I buy from the terminals, it won't let me buy different size containers. I have to buy 24s then go load and come back to buy 32s. Is there a way around that?

[keen garden]

It depends a lot on what is making the rock difficult

If it’s very unstable but not very large, a boremax will help a lot

But the larger the rock, the more you need to lean into + laser power and - resistance to have the power to move the needle

Sabir helps a lot, as does surges and stampedes, for getting more power

[mild pumice]

erm, that's not a freelancer lol

oof it's brimmed with cargo including the 2scus - no thank you

[pearl juniper]

but is it located at a freelancer wreck site?

[mild pumice]

Ah, might be - I don't see one now but there was another marker on the radar, it's got the same bug we had with the event missions before, it's not updating when you collect the cargo

wait as I said that it finally updated - no thank you 😄

My scroll finger will need a splint after that

[silver creek]

Gotta get one u can unlock for this game tbh

[silver creek]

Gadgets are peak and u can stack them with multiple people

[mild pumice]

Yeah I got the logitech one I can use

[silver creek]

They do need too make it better tho so u don't kill ur fingers

[mild pumice]

I busted the wheel on my Corsair now, that's ready for the bin 13mo old £100 mouse

[silver creek]

Oof

I got pro super light 2

Or whatever it's called I like it

[mild pumice]

I might get an MMO mouse, for the extra buttons, I hope some day we can bind push/pull to buttons instead

[silver creek]

I wanted one for poe2

But no good options

For me atleast

I just wanted 4 buttons

[pearl juniper]

you don't have to scroll constantly. Scroll sets the distance, but it will then take a while to reach that distance. Scroll, and wait. It should keep moving. Or at least it used to, I don't think they changed it.

[silver creek]

Well true it takes forever

Faster too just scroll as fast as u can

[pearl juniper]

but it's not. It moves at a set speed, to the distance you set by scrolling. It may feel faster because you are actively doing something, but I don't think it's actually moving faster.

[keen garden]

You do have to scroll for quite a bit to reach max distance

A free scroll wheel makes it easy, but it can be dangerous too

[past fractal]

I don't understand why everyone is always in a hurry in this game... I just moved 76 boxes. Took 40 min, didn't stress out my hand or anything, took small breaks, repositioned a couple times... Logistics isn't about speed, it's about efficiency. Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast.

You honestly get more done just taking your time than constantly flinging boxes everywhere and having to fix, adjust, and move them over and over

[primal crater]

how do I extract from ground mines with my extractor?

bit new to industrial stuff

[past fractal]

Fracture the rock, then extract it. Switching between modes I think is right-click. You might have to do sub-fractures as well. A yellow border means it needs to be fractured, a purple one means it can be extracted.

[primal crater]

it's on the ground though, so super duper tiny peices of rock fall out. I can pick them up from the ground but I want it to go to my ships cargo hold instead.

[past fractal]

Do you mean gemstones? Those are only able to be picked up with an ATLS GEO, ROC, or ROC-DS, or by hand or with a Pyro-Ryt Multitool

[primal crater]

one second

my ship mining beam was able to break the rock

but tiny pices broke off

I can send a pic, uno momento

See, these tiny blue rocks break from the bigger rocks (Blue one at the time, normal rock from it at the bottom)

[past fractal]

Those are gemstones.

[primal crater]

darn it, alright what do I extract with my prospector, and is there any asteroids I can break up with it

[past fractal]

Ores can be be mined in a Prospector. There are plenty of rocks it can break, but it will rely heavily on your head, modules, and gadgets.

[primal crater]

gotcha, prolly gonna fail. Wish me luck lol

[past fractal]

I would advise looking up a guide on youtube

[desert prism]

Re: module / component duping and balancing it against allowing scavenging of wrecks…

Bricking modules is an extreme response that would essentially prevent salvaging modules and weapons* from wrecks. Unless I’m missing something (they didn’t go into too much detail)

An alternative:

Can they add a “claim limit” to crafted modules, similar to the system Marathon added for dropped gear? In that game, all loot as a max number of times it can be looted by another player - it acts as a depreciation driver for the games economy

For example, a crafted module can only be claimed X times. Higher quality maybe lower limit?

They’re not going to stop duping and they need to find a balance

[past fractal]

It wouldn't be hard to stop duping... no more repair = new components if none are equipped, and claim is hull only, no components

[desert prism]

I feel like that’s even more draconian haha. Preventing scavenging gameplay, or removing repairing have big game impacts on the player base

And just to address module crafting which they’re turning on clearly without a well-baked dupe mitigation plan

[past fractal]

I don't feel it's draconian at all. If you want crafting to matter, then make it matter. Implement repair degredation too. The more times you repair something, the closer to permanently bricked it gets

[desert prism]

But how does repair degradation prevent claim duping? If you craft 100% new components and claim dupe those, then any repair mitigations won’t get in the way? Maybe I’m missing something

[past fractal]

Por que no los dos?

No claim components

No replacing components that are not in the ship

Repair degrades components over time

Do all of it

[desert prism]

Now I want tacos.

Losing crafted gear on a claim would certainly be one way to do it. I can understand why that’s not the SOP now (same with tier 1 item recovery) due to the insatiable hunger of the hangars

[past fractal]

Right, for now, all of this would suck, but by Beta phase? Nah, do all of it

[desert prism]

But if we’re talking about short term, tier 1 item recovery strategies, I feel like bricking modules was not a smart idea given the gameplay impacts.

Hopefully they take some time and think about a method that limits claim duping without bricking scavenging gameplay

[past fractal]

Keep in mind, the bricking is just half of the equation. The other half is ownership. You're supposed to be able to scrub and reserialize components later on

For now, they need to see if bricking works as intended, then recovery can be added

People forget it's an alpha. We're unpaid Quality Assurance testers who pay for the privilege

[desert prism]

Their bricking idea is a short term, alpha, strategy - agreed. It’s a stop-gap while they work on the next steps.

I’m just saying there’s better alternatives that have less impact on other gameplay loops that they should explore.

[past fractal]

The impact to any loop is not what's being tested. It's whether they can effectively 'remove' components from the viability pool

[desert prism]

We’re goin round and round here haha.

Testing how they can remove components isn’t their focus here - it’s just their bandaid to prevent duping that they themselves are creating by testing module crafting.

Module crafting is what they’re testing

[past fractal]

Duping predates module crafting, as duping already exists and component crafting does not

[keen garden]

if the bricking idea only affects components that get claimed... outlaw ship components don't get claimed, so,

doubt it'll really be a problem for salvaging stuff off of npc ships

ofc it'll be an issue pulling it from player ships, that's literally duping if we aren't allowing them to be reclaimed with insurance

don't think it's really gonna be that big a deal, if obtaining blueprints remains as easy as it has been for now

i hope it doesn't long term, but... until they get things figured out and balanced... 🤷

[wise stump]

Question, I am trying to see these new missions for salvage. I dont see them in nyx or stanton. I still see the same at the 100k Senior contracter

[keen garden]

I was seeing them in nyx last night

They were already in Stanton in 4.7

[zenith ocean]

is it possible to activate at the same time all 3 modules in a helix with a keybind?? i cant find an option is settings

[pearl juniper]

You can probably bind all three to the same key

but I don't think there's any way to then activate them individually as well

maybe if you had each bound to individal keyboard keys, and all of them bound to a single joystick button, that could work...

[wise stump]

What are they?

I been seeing the same missions though. 1k, 5k, 10k. 100k and a few deliver components with some salvage materials.

Nothing new than before the patch

ah so the missions from stanton just moved over to Nyx nothing new

[keen garden]

Yup

[dreamy crescent]

would it be possible to crack this rock solo in an Argo Mole? If not how mnay people would be required and what laser setups would work best?

[spare cloud]

No, it's not.
55k is already basically the max a solo MOLE can do with 0% resistance.

[verbal tangle]

Oh i didn't see the solo, I was about to ask how on earth you would crack that rock. The answer is "not solo"

[dreamy crescent]

thanks for the quick reply! I was able to place a Sabir and calibrate it to 93% so now the rock is down to 26% resistance.

[dreamy crescent]

would you be interested in 2 manning this if you think thats possible?

[lost vale]

Okay Im confused, Im at Planetary Services in new Babbage and they wont buy my refined contruction mats

everything Im reading is pointing me to tell them here

[verbal tangle]

I sadly am 4+ hours away from being able to play,

[dreamy crescent]

i belive they just have enough const mats at current moment. the giveaway is the red MAX INVENTORY

at least thats what i think is going on, something with suypply and demand

[verbal tangle]

I think this is saying they wont buy it cause they have too much

[dreamy crescent]

ye just keep refreshing terminal it should let you sell bit by bit eventually

[lost vale]

Thats wild. we need some type of trade screen then. Is there an in game way of finding out if a station will buy something prior to spending the time it takes to bring a damn Reclaimer there?

What are construction Mats used for ATM? why would there be a finite storage at an NPC shop for it

[verbal tangle]

At this moment, no. I believe further down the line there are changes coming to UI and other systems to enhance this loop, but for now your only real option in-game is fly there and check. UEX and tradetools are fairly regularly updated by users, but at the end of the day they aren't perfect.

[lost vale]

I get the idea of forcing players to check out different stations but this isnt the way to do it lol

I also support a finite storage if there was at least some logic behind it, like that the mats will be being used

[verbal tangle]

In actual game, they aren't used for anything beyond what you are doing right now. But imagine walking into a Home Depot warehouse with 2.3 million kg of lumber and asking them to buy 23 thousand kg more. (i dont remember exactly what SCU - weight conversion is, just using an example)

They do want the game to be pseudo-realistic as I call it. Like Donn said, if you wait long enough the terminal will refresh and let you sell

[lost vale]

I agree and can get behind your example
the difference though is people are also going in and buying that lumber so there is at least some rate of decrease and increase. In this case though, the purchased goods are just being crunched into the void. the idea is good, the games logic doesnt yet support the logistics of it

[verbal tangle]

Your point is actually implemented in-game. If another player bought some on another server, It would let you sell it faster. This is acccounted for. NPCs however don't (outside of the server refreshes every 15 minutes or so)

[verbal tangle]

As far as a trade screen, would be cool if in the commodity terminal you can set up a sale for insert station name here and then for insert an appropriate amount of time here you can guarantee that you can make your sale after flying there. This would be a huge in-game QoL that would reduce reliance on external trade systems

Example: You are at new babbage, and they are overstocked. But you can see that Orision has a deficet, and book your sale now at babbage. As long as you make it to Orision within 30 minutes, you are guaranteed your quoted price and full sale, regardless of their new "current" stock.

Would be a huge QoL imo

Pretty damn sure its not gonna happen but I can dream

[keen garden]

I mean there is actual logic to it, it gains inventory or depletes supply at a set rate every 20ish minutes

Uex can show you the min and max of a given location, and you can generally expect the location with the best price to often be at max inventory

Even on a low pop shard, because it’s shared across shards

[pseudo compass]

anyone with experience in commodity hauling I want to get into it but 0 idea where to start

[keen garden]

Imo the best place to start is with free cargo you don’t need to pay for

Take a ship that can handle light fighters and holds 40 scu or more of cargo into pyro and do some bit zero missions

Might need to jump to a planet to receive one, involves a little fps

0 investment, so if for some reason you lose it or can’t find a good place to sell it, you haven’t lost anything

Well, not literally 0, it costs like 13k to get the contract

[olive gull]

Look for Insterstellar missions

[pseudo compass]

i mean sandbox

[olive gull]

check here: https://uexcorp.space/trade/routes

[keen garden]

The bit zeros just give you cargo that you can do whatever you want with, mix of gold/stims/medsupplies/drugs

[pseudo compass]

yes very helpful thanks

[keen garden]

To be sold at a TDD of your choosing

Beware that uex data is always behind

Aka something that is the best route on uex may have already been widely used in the past few hours, tanking the price

[pseudo compass]

yea I mean ive never tried but so far i cant manage to set the tool properly

Im omw to pyro to check some prices and see how accurate it actually is

I just wanna see how profitable it actually is since I have capital and proper hauling ships for the job

[verbal tangle]

It can be very profitable as long as you dont use a Hull C

[keen garden]

Definitely profitable, just can’t blindly follow routes. Gotta look at the buy price when you buy and sell price when you sell to make sure it’s still profitable

[verbal tangle]

Hull C you tend to lose more than you get because Star Citizen

[olive gull]

Hull C is broken and wont be fixed anytime soon

[keen garden]

And pay attention to stock

It’s so awful to buy 1000 scu of something then find the sell location you planned for full and only buying 10 scu an hour

[pseudo compass]

I got a Hermes as main regular hauling ship I was thinking of using a hull C but idk how bad it is with bugs

[olive gull]

its BAD

[pseudo compass]

how can i see how much is a place buying per hour

[keen garden]

The uex commodity page’s sell tab has 3-4 columns for that

[verbal tangle]

I would either stick to hermes or go hull B if oyu wanna size-up

but would not go hull C right now

[olive gull]

just click the location:

[keen garden]

These columns

In this chart you can see the location at the top is more often than not in stock and capable of buying 500 scu

But if you go and sell 500 at once (or anyone else does) you might still have to wait for it to replenish

[pseudo compass]

I see thanks for the info

[keen garden]

This chart is for gold, and the top location is arc-l1, the best place to sell gold for quite a while now so everyone who is selling gold uses it

But you almost never have large quantities of gold

If you can find a place selling gold cheaper than that, it’s basically guaranteed profit

But you won’t find bulk sales for gold and the prices are pretty high to begin with, high cost to buy in and lower profit than cheaper bulk grade trades

[pseudo compass]

I saw Osoian Hides is the max profit thing so Im cheking it out

[ivory shuttle]

Hoe exactly do i sell my cargo in my reclaimer

[sleek bridge]

Where can I find drugs(SLAM,ETAM, MAZE)? Wanna try a drugrunner rp

[keen garden]

The loot room of checkmate often has them, and you can obtain them from the merc missions in Stanton to destroy drugs, but I think both of those either can’t be sold or sell at stolen goods value, so very low

Otherwise some drugs can be bought from less law abiding locations

[sleek bridge]

Checkmate room?

[keen garden]

The checkmate CZ

[devout nest]

How much you pay for Q997 Dolivine? 🫱 🎙️

[red granite]

Whatever the buyer and seller agree to

[keen garden]

5

[maiden iris]

What rep tier do the hull-c salvage missions start spawning? Is it the 10k "contractor" one ?

[red granite]

The better questions are: "Can I actually sell the stuff from this missions since everyone is doing it after that youtube video came out?" "How long will I be standing at the Commodity Terminal to sell it all?"
To answer your question: IDK

[maiden iris]

oh Guess I should just watch the YT

[red granite]

Yeah, they'll probably tell you how to unlock it there

[maiden iris]

Bad news it’s the unverified rep and I grinded the verified one lol

[past fractal]

You get Hull C's at the 10,000 contract rep with Adagio

Unfortunately, unless you're going to eat them, they aren't worth much

[maiden iris]

Ah ok. Only cargo on the unverified ones ?

[past fractal]

No, the verified ones have cargo, but it's 90% crap. I've literally never once seen a Hull C in unverified salvage

And I run an average of 25 salvage missions a day unverified

Cat's, HHs, and Starfarers

[maiden iris]

He’s getting them on 20k unverified
https://youtu.be/uJO2cBlXhJ0?si=5ANV1KFFGqfzUXW0

Only after 4.7

[past fractal]

In what, Nyx?

Those aren't in Stanton

Also, that got nerfed with 4.7.1 I'm pretty sure

Primarily because of that

[maiden iris]

Let me check. I think it’s only Hurston

I’m not seeing anything about that nerf. People still talking about actively doing it

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Maybe they added something specifically for Hurston then. I do unverifieds in Crusader, and those ships are not part of it, and all ships are empty

That much dough that quickly would just ruin the game for me anyway

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Is the difference between verified and unverified cargo is just the quality?

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No clue, you'd have to run both to know for sure

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Is hull c pretty rare for you to get verified ?

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it's like a 10-15% chance

You can always try a different orbit's lagrange points and see what they've got

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I was just relogging. Guess that works too

not 10-15% in crusader area, 0 for 20+ so far

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Like I said, they don't spawn in Crusader

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Oh my bad I thought you meant unverified only

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Only Cat's HH's and Starfarers

No, verifieds spawn Hull C's at any lagrange

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I only have rep for verified

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But unverifieds in Crusader are only those three ships

Unverified isn't a rep thing, at least not in Crusader

Not sure about Hurston

Never worked in Hurston space aside from verified la grange point contracts

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ah I thought you needed contractor to get the 20k salvage claims, I only have 5k unverified

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Wait, the ones that "cost" you 5k?

No no, the ones I do pay me

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ok we are talking about completely different things lol

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weird, yeah

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to get cargo to sell you gotta do the ones you pay for

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I'll need to go to Hurston and figure out what these missions are

Or maybe just pay for the contracts

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maybe the ones that pay me don't give rep

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2k is first tier rep, 5k is 2nd tier, 10k is contractor.

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well, yeah, on verifieds

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unverified same idea but price doubles

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but unverifieds give me 13k and 23k payouts

I'm not even sure who the rep for unverifieds would be with

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didnt grind any rep

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yeah, okay, so it's a hurston thing

that's new