industrial-professions

[keen garden]

But yea that’s more what I mean, selling to players is a very safe transaction, for the seller. You don’t have to bring the items up till you are paid.

If you are basing “profitable” off of what the TDD will give you… profits have been.. decent? For a while? Hand/ground vehicle profits have been pretty bad, but the contracts they just introduced have some potential, when the turn in works

But it’s having to compete against alternatives, like 2mil an hour from doing solo QV missions, 677k every hour if you 2 man Hyperion, both of which also provide player market materials,

Profits are imbalanced atm if you are looking beyond the player market

[grizzled cradle]

anybody around that regularly does unverified salvage missions? wonder what your exp has been with cargo spawns lately . last time i played you could just get the c2 missions and regularly get a really nice load from them without even needing to salvage. is that still a thing? tried some the other day but never had any jobs that had a single box of cargo on board.

[jovial matrix]

Those missions haven't spawned with cargo for a long time, unfortunately

[grizzled cradle]

ty

[limpid sluice]

Among the many fixes from the Evo build that went out, first thing on the list...

[proven bear]

Any miners currently on that want to crack a massive quant rock?

240k with 40% quant, probably need at least one more person, maybe two

[grand shuttle]

Thanks for the heads up! I am interested in what the new rates are supposed to be now. Although the thread in patch notes also claims theres a bug where its fracturing itself now, lol.

[spare cloud]

You need at least two fully crewed MOLE, and that's with 0% resistance.

[elfin rune]

Anything about the buffer size or auto eject?

Or estimated release date?

[limpid sluice]

Whenever 4.7 comes out

It's in Evo now

Go look at the patch notes if you want to see everything #sc-patch-notes message

[grand shuttle]

Anybody mention what the rates are on the moth yet? As for eta it would probably be late march

[elfin rune]

That far? Damn

[limpid sluice]

I dont think spviewer/erkul publish changelogs until the builds go into wave 1 at least

[grand shuttle]

For comparison 4.6 launched on January 28th

[solid obsidian]

Salvage still broken i see

Go to mission to see ship, no ship theere

[keen garden]

🤔 what would cause these passive modules to not be active? note how the passive text is black, the module names are white instead of yellow, and at the bottom left the head values haven't been modified by the attached modules. Also the module icons in the bottom left are darkened.

i've tried turning the laser on/off, ship on/off, ports unlocked/locked, nothing changes it except removing them, throwing them in storage, and adding them with the VLM

is it just a visual bug?

[jovial matrix]

I would say maybe they're damaged, but if they work after attaching via the VLM then thats probably not it

[keen garden]

huh. actually, the torrent i just added via the VLM is doing it too...

but differntly

note how the other two modules aren't red in the bottom

but the name is properly colored in the top list

the torrent hasnt' been touched by me, but the two focus in the first screenshot were pulled off with a tractor then reattached

storing and bringing the ship back up fixed it, lets just go with ui bug

i've never had a passive module replaced in the field not work

[delicate girder]

Can someone help me understand where the Hull C hauling terminal is at Levski? That asteroid is so big and dark that dark I don't know where the cargo area is.

[obtuse isle]

Last I heard it is very bugged

Can someone confirm?

[long frost]

It's on the opposite side of the station-side asteroid hole

There are like two metal chopsticks alongside the hole which have the hull c cubes and also the external freight elevators

[elfin rune]

Moth fixes incoming apparently

[rough haven]

yup, quite a list of them. No word on the buffer yet

[grand shuttle]

Are you talking about the fixes on evo ptu right now?

[grand shuttle]

Oh wow, MOLE gold standard?

[elfin rune]

Yeah, it looks like the MOLE its MOTH rework rn

[elfin rune]

Yes, no words about buffer size tho, but apparently cig found most broken stuff

[long frost]

After us players pointing it out after 5 minutes lel

[keen garden]

Top floor?

[elfin rune]

Just like cig didnt even sit in the pilot spot?

[elder nest]

What does gold standard mean for a ship? Im just now getting back into the game

[jovial matrix]

Generally gold standard means the ships supports all up-to-date features

Things like:
Having physical buttons to open doors or enter turrets, etc
Having physicalized components that you can access and remove
Having buttons on the dash for all the major functions of the ship

Take a tour around a brand new ship like the hermes or perseus, and then walk around a really old ship like the freelancer. You'll notice all the little things that are missing

[spare cloud]

This page on the website lists every ship and how much of engineering is supported by those, and thus if they're gold standard or not.

All the way down the page.

[elder nest]

Awesome, thanks for explanation and link guys

[young elm]

hi guys, i'm looking at sctools for trading routes, I have a C2 - i don't understand what the smart filter does? Says it "Auto-picks values for the minimum inventory capacity and supported box size filters based on your ship" but i don't get what that means. Can I not run the routes that appear with the smart filter turned off?

[keen garden]

It means it takes your ships cargo grid capacity and finds routes that maximize its potential

So it won’t be sending you to buy 10 scu of something, it’ll send you to buy 600 scu of something

The higher the capacity, the lower value and higher quantity materials you’ll be buying

Still generally for more profit, but if you have to move the boxes yourself due to bugs or whatever it may also be more work

It’ll avoid sending you to buy 600 scu of something from a station that only sells the item 20 scu at a time as well

[elder nest]

Is the ARGO Mole broken? Im thinking of renting it for me and a buddy

[keen garden]

No it’s fine

only issue is it comes stock with three arbors

[olive gull]

and... rentals can not change those...

[keen garden]

They can, if you unlock ports

[elder nest]

Which arent good? Lol I need to research more then. Youtube here I come

[keen garden]

They’re ok… but having three lasers that each increase the rock’s resistance by 25% begins to work against you

CIG really should give it a better stock loadout

Doesn’t have to be the Meta, but make it make sense

[elder nest]

Yea I agree. I almost have enough to buy it. Just wanted to take it on a test drive

[keen garden]

I like to run a helix in the front, and impact/hofstead on the sides

[elder nest]

Noted thanks

[keen garden]

Also learned yesterday how the math of mining modules actually work… they’re multiplicative with the laser. Two focus 3’s each enhancing the optimum zone size by 40% on a hofstead, which is 160% baseline, brings it to 314%, not 240%.

In other words… modules are more effective if they are enhancing something the laser it is attached to is already good at. A torrent on an impact is less effective than a torrent on a hofstead, because the impact has a base optimum zone speed of 60% where as the hofstead starts at 120%. Also means having 3 modules gives significantly more potential power/effect than a laser that has 2.

It’s not additive

(Which is why running three arbors can be so negative)

[elder nest]

Wow thats good to know. I was just gonna run the 3 arbors

[keen garden]

It’s…

If you are mining a rock with 25 resist, 3 arbors will bring it up to 39%

It’s not the end of the world

[elder nest]

So it works just not the greatest

[keen garden]

Will just put an upper limit on what you can mine

And highly resistant rocks will be a lot worse

Like if it starts at 50% resist it goes up to 98%

[elder nest]

Work smarter not harder

[keen garden]

a sabir gadget would make most of this problem go away, bringing that 50% one down to 23% instead of 98%

[elder nest]

Cool, Im noting this all down. Im about to log on after work

[young elm]

So im cargo hauling, went to buy taranite at samson and sons salvage center, bought 8SCU boxes but can't get them out of the elevator as it says the boxes are too big

how do i get them out?

[mild pumice]

Sounds like the freight elevator is bugged, try switching servers

[delicate girder]

No, I meant where the big blue box you fly the Hull C into appears. I found that it's on the back side of the hole where to two big prongs are. Not being kinky. 😉

[plain pewter]

is it worth it to go to aaron halo for quant? or meh

[keen garden]

meh, unless you get lucky

[warm lava]

Just wondering how does this loadout look ?

[wind pilot]

I heard that the tech preview changes to mining was just that. That current evocati has the same rocks as current?
Anyone that can confirm that?

[random patrol]

Thats what I run on mine...sometimes two C3's depending on my mood.

[spare cloud]

-# Don't mind the following.

_ _

_ _

Hmm fk, forgot a thing. Please don't send a message until I'm done.

3 minutes or so.

_ _

_ _

I'm done, thanks anyone who resisted the urge to send a message. If any.

Credits to @pearl juniper for the spreadsheet

Now I'm really done

[elfin rune]

The filters really needed a place

[long frost]

idk if it's a bug but...i'm in my mole in the pilot seat in scm, have 5 free blips but can't put any into the lasers

this is to say, I can put a blip in it but then it immediatly shuts off again

nvm, one turret was damaged, after repair it's working

[elder nest]

What website is that above? Erkul?

Thanks for that spreadsheet Zorgh o7

[spare cloud]

!regolith ⬇️ it has a flaw as it calculates power modifiers with additive percentages instead of multiplicative, and also it could include such a calculator as the spreadsheet, but at least we have the spreadsheet so it's all good.

[fallen badge]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[elder nest]

Yea I am just a simple cargo hauler so Im getting into mining and its a lot to learn but Im having fun

[agile oyster]

The C2 holds 1120 SCU using 32 scu boxes

[digital knot]

what is construction salvage

[spare cloud]

I need a screenshot

[pearl juniper]

Raw structural salvage produced by the Reclaimer? (I think, or one of the other salvage ships). Refines into regular construction materials.

[digital knot]

how do i refine it

[pearl juniper]

refinery, same way you would refine anything you mine

[spare cloud]

I think the !mining guide has a section on refinery. Has been added to the salvage section yet.

[fallen badge]

Mining

• [Mining Basics](#🍼┃learn-to-play message) • [Ore Refinement](#🍼┃learn-to-play message) •

[spare cloud]

Yup, see link.

There are more refineries than the few listed on the guide tho, like gateway stations and or MIC-L2 and a few others L points.

[digital knot]

do any refining stations fit xl ships

[pearl juniper]

Pyro

[spare cloud]

Only docking ports in Stanton refineries, but the Gateway stations have external freight elevators so you can use that.
Others in Stanton aren't functional with capital ships.

And Levsky.

[digital knot]

if i use a docking port i can still refine the stuff in the ship right

[pearl juniper]

they still make you dock right? But you can then store the ship?

[digital knot]

anyone know where the docking port on the reclaimer is

[spare cloud]

Right on each side when you exit the main elevator into the habitation floor.

See maps.adi.sc

[digital knot]

how do you dock, im so lost

when everything is green this is my position

[limpid sluice]

theres a small number on the right side of the circle, you want that to be as close to 0 as possible, if its like 180ish, then your on the wrong side

[young basin]

You can also adjust your reclaimer's docking port somewhat close to the docking collar and you can hold N to let it autodock for you

[digital knot]

how did my power plant get destroyed what the helly

[elder nest]

That happened to me on the RAFT, left a hanger and boom both power plants went out

[jovial matrix]

were your coolers turned off?

[elder nest]

No it jerked me to the right even though I was in my mobiglass for a bit so the hangar was wide open. Pushed on the throttle and it thought I hit something and my hull as damaged, both plants were out and I had other warnings too.

[jovial matrix]

Either you hit something and didn't realize, or the game thought you hit something even if you didn't. You took damage, and I guess both your powerplants got destroyed? idk

[elder nest]

I just alt + F4d and started over. I had no cargo or anything lol

I tried to EVA over to the hangar but got stuck in the bottom part of the hangar bc the ladders to the hangar floor were bugged, both of them. I was like well the game hates me

[jovial matrix]

Yeah fair, it be like that sometimes lol

[elder nest]

Is salvage working for anyone or is it hit or miss currently? I keep getting bugged contracts where the ship is missing once I arrive

[random patrol]

No you cant refine from the docking port.

[random patrol]

Why waste time with contracts when you can just roam around and find free ships to salvage?

[elder nest]

Im a company man, need my contracts.

Where do you go looking? I guess I need to leave my comfort zone in Stanton

[random patrol]

In stanton....just go from station to station.... I came out of terra gateway and found a mole and a MSR for free

Fwiw contracts do get you a good ROI but I enjoy boarding ships, powering them off etc...

[agile oyster]

1120 SCU In my C2

[jovial matrix]

I enjoy the simplicity of eating the free 890 from the 890j boarding mission, comes with a side of FPS action too

[random patrol]

Found a C1, 890J and a C2

[spare cloud]

Nice 👌

[minor aurora]

any component thief's among this part of the discord?

[verbal lintel]

After removing the first set of bags on the mole, do i have to do anything to deploy the additional bags it holds or just start mining?

[agile oyster]

The extra bags don’t work yet

[verbal lintel]

are refinery orders struggling on the backend? cant get quote, gives an error

[dim cave]

Yeah me too. I'm getting the same thing

[shut elbow]

ngl its top tier trolling theyve left refining broken for days now. 😂🤣

[strong ferry]

My MOLE is stuck in storage holding 21 SCU of raw quant

[shut elbow]

like its bugged and you cant spawn it from asop?

[strong ferry]

Refining isn't working, and I can't take it out of storage until they fix it or the quant will explode

[blissful robin]

Blue collar space job

[spare cloud]

Yeah, refining hard bugged since hotfix.
The timer before quant exploding is paused when the ship is stored, so if you want, and if you had at least 4-5 minutes left on timer you can retrieve your MOLE, detach the bags and send them down the freight elevators, then get new bags (by repairing the MOLE) to go on a new mining trip.

But since you can refine, you will probably have to sell unrefined directly.

[strong ferry]

Thanks. I like to slam her into the hanger with alarms blazing. Don't think I have enough timer left to pull the bags.

No way I'm selling unrefined. I sell to players for big bank.

[spare cloud]

You do you, just suggesting stuff so you can keep playing.

There's good chance we'll be getting the next major patch without a hotfix for the current one, so anything not sold will be lost.

[strong ferry]

Woof - I'm sitting on 30 SCU of refined quant on top of this load stuck in my MOLE

That's almost 4B aUEC probably

[spare cloud]

You definitely need that money

[strong ferry]

Hahaha number go up is a fun game

[delicate girder]

LOL that's the player market I assume.

[strong ferry]

Indeed - I just managed to refine the load and sold my stack for 4B.

[delicate girder]

Sold it to players? Last time I looked (which was a while ago) quant wasn't worth anywhere near that in game.

[strong ferry]

I have a long list of customers that race each other to get to me every time I restock.

[spare cloud]

#industrial-professions message

Obviously to players

[delicate girder]

Is the demand because of Wikelo maybe?

[strong ferry]

Yep

Or just a way to park large sums of aUEC to work around the integer issue

[delicate girder]

That's really entertaining. I should mine some and sell it to you for half off so you can make some more profit.

[shut elbow]

you just started a refining order today? luckily i refined everything before the outage and hotfix that broke the refineries, but i was testing refining some throwaway materials and could get the work orders submitted at any of the 3 major areas in stanton/pyro.

[strong ferry]

Yeah, I've been having problems too. Luckily ARC-L1 was feeling cooperative a couple of hours ago

[delicate girder]

What's the nature of the refining bug in a nut shell?

[spare cloud]

Terminals show an error.

[shut elbow]

even after completing all known troubleshooting steps, doesnt let you submit the work order

[spare cloud]

https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/1479531490860601494

[covert dome]

lmao i saw that

[gloomy furnace]

for salvaging can you find ships in the aaron halo?

[delicate girder]

I'd be surprised if that's the best place to find them since it's such a big area. The locations around common QT intersects are most likely the best though.

[digital knot]

if i want to refine stuff in my ship can i just store it

[vestal ravine]

Yes if everything cooperates store it at a Refinery station then on the left side drop down select your ship and refinery order from there.

[digital knot]

Do I just go to the screen that says refinery; I’ve never been in one

[half heath]

How does refining work i keep seeing people talk about it and have no clue what it is

[jovial matrix]

You take either raw ore that you mined, or construction materials that you salvaged, to a station with a refinery. Store your ship, go to the refinery, and from there you can create a refinery order with your ore/salvage. Theres different refining methods that will affect your yield and how long it takes to refine your order. Once its done, you can chose to either deposit the order onto a ship cargo grid or into the stations local inventory

Refined goods are worth more than their un-refined counterparts, so its pretty much always worth spending the extra time and money to refine

[spare cloud]

You're not allowed to do trading outside of the !market, please read the rules.

[fallen badge]

Looking to trade in-game items?

• For WTB (Want to buy), WTS (Want to sell), WTT (Want to trade): #market-street
• For established shops and sellers (Storefronts): #1019852856460853258
  Gain access in the #market-agreement channel.
  -# Please read the channel pins and description for channel guidelines / rules.

No trading outside of trade channels
No RMT (Real Money Trading) in any form, no exceptions.
#rules_and_information

[half heath]

Allright thank you

Im thinking about renting some mining equipement soon so good to knoe

Know

[vestal ravine]

Yes, see what Iffy is saying. Go up the steps to a room where there will be 2 terminals each for ore sales and for refining what you mined.

[digital knot]

Okay. It’s for salvaging, does it need to be in boxes or just in my depot?

[vestal ravine]

Output to crates CM usually refined and RMC sold at a TDD as is....

[digital knot]

ok

[digital knot]

whats the best refinement method

[spare cloud]

Dynix

[digital knot]

is it 1 to 1 yeild?

[spare cloud]

No, but still the best one.
Highest yield methods are Pyro, Ferron and Dynix.

Pyro is very expensive and will cut your profits a lot.

[digital knot]

okay, thanks

[elfin rune]

You can check all without paying anything, the dedcription could be bugged tho

Chech cash time and yield result

👍

[agile oyster]

I think it’s 45% for the high yield methods

[digital knot]

Thank you

[limpid pagoda]

Does anybody know where I can get Pulse and Reiger modules for my mining as well as handheld mining screen devices? New to the gameplay loop and babbage (Shubin) dosen't have the pulse and reiger.

[limpid pagoda]

Would anybody like to take me mining?

[spare cloud]

A Pulse ??
Rieger-C3 is at Levsky.

Check !regolith

[fallen badge]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[limpid pagoda]

was watching yt video from 2.4

thank you

That's the tool i need

[spare cloud]

Oh wow.
Don't watch anything from before 4.4

[limpid pagoda]

i meant 4.4 😭

[spare cloud]

Pulse is a vehicle, idk why you need that but you can use !erkul to know where to buy it.

[fallen badge]

#DPSCalculator

• Calculator • Shops • Ships • Weapons •

[limpid pagoda]

maybe I meant surge instead of pulse as well. I am not exactly sober.

[spare cloud]

Ah yes, Surge. Lesvky too.

[limpid pagoda]

Time to head to nyx then,. thank you for the help and the regolith

[half heath]

elo, i was wondering where i can rent a cutlas black and one of those mining cars

[spare cloud]

Check on !itemfinder ⬇️

[fallen badge]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to obtain them) in-game.

[half heath]

thanks dude

how are the mining cars called?

[spare cloud]

ROC

[half heath]

thank you 🙂

[spare cloud]

I don't think the ROC has been fixed tho

Get an ATLS GEO instead

[half heath]

i just want to start doing some mining

is that profitable tho if i rent the equipment?

[spare cloud]

Yeah, go ATLS GEO

[spare cloud]

Yeah, but ROC is broken

[half heath]

is the atls geo an item or vehecle?

[spare cloud]

Both

[half heath]

lol oke

[half heath]

explains why i cant rent it

[spare cloud]

Yeah, gotta buy it, but it's very cheap

[half heath]

very cheap he says

lol

[spare cloud]

And you may not need to rent a Cutlass if it fits in whatever you have right now

[half heath]

i have an aurora

[spare cloud]

Won't fit.

[half heath]

lol oke

there is this one ship that looks like the thing nasa used to go to the moon

how is that thing called

i used to have one of them in a previouse wipe

and i loved it

[spare cloud]

No clue what you're talking about.

[half heath]

haha oke ill go try and find it myself thank you for the help tho

[half heath]

i found it! its the avenger titan

[digital knot]

Do crates have to be on my ships cargo grid to be accessible when I store it(specifically refining) or can they just be anywhere in the ship

[viral heath]

can one mine glacosite with the geo?

[elfin rune]

It should, the geo can mine fps and roc

[viral heath]

yah have to use hipower

lol

[wise stump]

I havent checked this, are there outside freight elevators at the Refinery stations?

in stanton

[spare cloud]

Gateway stations yeah.

[wise stump]

i guess on to levski

[warm lava]

Is the helix II mining laser better ?

[spare cloud]

It's has the highest power, so it can crack more rocks.

[half heath]

Where do i buy the storage boxes that go inside an ATLS GEO

[viral heath]

cargo deck

but you dont need to,.'

just buy a 1scu or 2scu container and transfer to your backpack and into the corressponing container

[half heath]

i just found out you can also empty them into storage containers so im buying one bigger storage container so i can put everything in there

[viral heath]

have fun...

[half heath]

thank you

[viral heath]

guessing we will need gems for energy weapons and glascocite for armor

[half heath]

ah crafting is going to be thing next update right

[half heath]

how do i stop a rock from exploding, everytime it touches a bit of the red part i cant restore it and it explodes

would it help if i just turned the laser off?

[spare cloud]

When you reach the green, lower the power so it doesn't go up anymore. Then keep it balanced.

Turning the laser off works, but only if the charge level goes up even at minimum power.

[digital knot]

Do crates have to be on my ships cargo grid to be accessible when I store it(specifically refining) or can they just be anywhere in the ship

[half heath]

sometimes the progress bar just shoots up to the red bar out of no were so then it explodes.. and the explosion is always so big that i cant escape it

[spare cloud]

That's high rock instability and/or bad server.

Gradually increase laser power starting from zero to slowly go up and not overshoot in the red.

[half heath]

oke ill try that next time when i have motivation to start again 😂 i gave up for now

[random patrol]

They have to be on the grid.

[pearl juniper]

Sometimes, if you have a setup with a big bonus to charge window, turning the laser off will make it worse, because the change window shrinks and you are over charged by more all of a sudden

[spare cloud]

Me turning off my Helix with Surge modules so the window grows

[pearl juniper]

But it can be better than pumping power in if you can't lower power fast enough.

[next idol]

I want 4.7 to come out already

[steady swallow]

Wouldn't it be great for salvaging if you could put on different heads or add-ons on the salvage head like you can with mining

[olive gull]

next week, maybe..

[spare cloud]

Isn't it already the case tho ?
You have one salvage head, with multiple module slots, modules being Abrade, Trawler, Cinch and tractor beam.

[next idol]

Idk the other ships but you can do that in the reclaimer

[keen garden]

They all support it, it’s just not all that interesting of a decision by comparison

Because all ship scraping is 100% the same, there’s a numerically best choice

Only real edge case would be if you are artificially limiting your access to salvage targets, in which case it may be best to go for the most resource per hull rather than per hour.

[left ore]

Yes, Vulture by default has "large area, not as efficient" or "small area, more efficient"
No reason to use the small one unless you have a limit of salvage sources and want to spend more time. Maybe some day at a deep space site, but doesn't make sense today.

[wise stump]

ow god, I was loading a hull c with mining bags at levski. done with 2 arms. the ship gets toaded in. I go back in to get the ship out. and the ship gets spawned in the hangar with the spindels out. Instead of getting the ship on a docking collar...

[half heath]

my Argo ATLS GEO is saying the cargo is full but i just put an empty box in it, how do i fix this

can you @ me if you answered pls thank you 🙂

[regal tide]

I wish they would fix Legacy ships like the reclaimer just putting a cargo lift for now would be great. I just find it ridiculous that we have to throw the boxes out a pretty small hole and Hope that the boxes don't despawn. I get it it's a problem child ship they can't make money off of anymore.

[keen garden]

Boxes only despawn if you go over 100 off grid objects

Or if they fall through the floor…

Buddy with an atls can help with that second part

But yea… I’m expecting a new auto printing grid for the reclaimer one day

I’d like to see the salvage processing room moved vertically up, then below that is two walls of grid space open to the outside through a door in the bottom

[agile oyster]

Im hoping when they redo the reclaimer or make a MK2 it will be available to print and store 32 scu boxes

[rapid field]

before a mk 2 they first need to make the OG as promised and functional... same with the starfarer really...

[next idol]

I think it will just get a rework

maybe they are waiting to finish some tech for boxes and stuff

I saw the galaxy might have a different system than the beams for moving boxes, maybe it would be nice to ahve a similar system for the back of the reclaimer

[silver creek]

What's the best loadout for ice mining and where too find

[bronze dirge]

Hello. I have some growing room yet, but I was considering what ship to graduate into from my Cutlass Black. I initially considered the Corsair, but I think Pivoting to MISC ships with the Starlancer Max might be the move on my path to a Hull C? Thoughts or Advice?

[agile oyster]

The starlancer is a good ship
If you want to do more ship combat get the Corsair if you want to move cargo more get the starlacer it holds 250 scu and has room for vehicles and has a lot more interior space then then Corsair

[bronze dirge]

thank you, thats what I was thinking..Im not very good at combat and envision myself as a space trucker mostly

[long frost]

starlancer is also a good ship for doing rp with a group if you're into that

[elfin rune]

Regolith will tell you where to find. Setup wise try things, and this will change soon so

I always go with the same 3 lasers and modules

[grand shuttle]

Hull C specifically has strictly limited utility, as you can not load it on planet or in-hangar.

If you want to a bigger transport ship I can't recommend the RAFT enough. Hopefully this month we also see the Hull-B released.

[olive gull]

Avoid hull C; it's the most broken and faulty ship of them all, and there's no sign of it being fixed anytime soon. Don't waste your credits on it.
The Starlancer max is a great step from the Cutty.
Then point to the Hercules C2, almost 700scu on paper but 800 on practice.

[grand shuttle]

RAFT is 3 million auec in game, 192 scu carg, C2 is 19 million for that.
C2 is also an interior cargo bay and can mothership smaller snub ships

[agile oyster]

And if you really stuff the C2 full of cargo it holds 1120 SCU with 32 scu boxes probably holds 1300 if you jam small boxes in the gaps

[half heath]

could it be posible to do reclaimer missions with 2 people?

[olive gull]

being the reclaimer a multi-crew ship... yes it is quite possible, but rentable?.... mmm

[half heath]

im planning on buying it to do some salvaging with a friend of mine but didnt know if it was worth it to do becouse we are with 2

[agile oyster]

The reclaimer is good solo it’s better with 2 there is only 2 scraping turrets so it works great with 2 just have to run around a bit
There is no reason to have more then a crew of 4 for maximum efficiency

[half heath]

allright thank you for the info. Im 10m short but after that ill prob buy it

[olive gull]

ask on the ingame chat, bet someone will just send you the 10m, maybe even more

[grand shuttle]

Reclaimer is a lot of fun, cargo situation with it is kind of lame compared to moth, but its entirely useable solo

I just wish it had better interior lighting. Maybe a toggle somewhere beteween the current "thematic" lighting and something more well-lit for actual usage.

[bronze dirge]

is it normal for mission locations to shoot me down for trespassing>

I had no crime stat

[olive gull]

yes, there are several types of missions, some of them will be friendly with you, but most of them will have turrets shooting at you on sight
having a hover bike, like the Pulse, in your ship, is always a wise idea, turrets wont shoot on bikes, neither on land nor at space.

just land outside the turrets view and go to the location on the bike, or on foot if you forgot to carry one

the Pulse is not only the cheapest one but it also was designed to fit almost on any ship with an interior.

[bronze dirge]

how do I deliver cargo with a pulse?

[olive gull]

cargo mission? or Courrier missions?
on the pulse you wont be able to cary anything
but you can take a larger vehicle who has inner space to fit boxes

[bronze dirge]

this was just a planetary cargo mission pick up

I stacked 3 of them to fill my cutlass since they were all going to the same place. I flew to the target collection location, and got shot down and sent to prison. So I had lunch.

[grand shuttle]

Was it red wing missions? I think they are supposed to be the shady/spicy shipping company.

[bronze dirge]

Not sure. Just a 30k payout mission. Other than AA I havent done anything in the game yet

[olive gull]

vehicles like this can carry a few boxes, the CSV can handle 8 scu, i believe

[bronze dirge]

seems to have wiped my contract history and contracts

Will it fit in a Cutlass Black and leave room for cargo?

[olive gull]

!fit check this:

[fallen badge]

Can it fit?

Please see title linked Google Sheet for capital ship fitment indexes.

Credit to RubenSaurus

[grand shuttle]

covalex is the "reliable" shipping co, I dont think ive ever been shot at by npcs doing those

I /know/ ive been shot at by npcs doing red wing

I did a ling family one that took me to piro and player idris took shots at me.

[bronze dirge]

Im not seeing that truck on the list

[olive gull]

try again the mission, maybe it was just bad luck, shyt happens quite often on the Verse 😋

[bronze dirge]

I might. I feel like since I finished the AA mission, I've beenhemmoragging money from bugs

[young basin]

Its about cyclone sized so should fit

[grand shuttle]

video shows it will fit but its a very tight fit and quite likely to get stuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2dKQXhur2Y

[bronze dirge]

thanks

[grand shuttle]

mule fits better but only carries 1 scu crates

[bronze dirge]

spending money to give up cargo space doesnt seem like a good investment

thank you though

in ~5 minutes when my ship is claimed and delivered I'll try again I guess. I'm getting pretty frustrated between bugs and getting sniped with torpedos by griefers while trying to land, I've managed to lose 100k and not complete a single mission today

[grand shuttle]

fwiw, the current state of the game is very buggy and its usually better. lots of people are taking a break until 4.7 drops.

[bronze dirge]

thats good to know

who knew being a space trucker would be so hard

[grand shuttle]

Prior to this year the game had a monthly patch cycle and this year they are trying to go to every-other month. It's evident that some of their back end stuff like missions services are not holding up well to the increased time between server restarts.

[bronze dirge]

I was saying earlier in VC that Im surprised that there doesnt seem to be weekly server maintence like every other mmo Ive ever played in the last 20 years

[grand shuttle]

Also, the devs do NOT treat that kind of issue with the kind of importance you'd expect from a less-alpha live service game.

[bronze dirge]

I'd be more inclined to buy things and help suport the game if it was more reliably playable

but, I dont know squat about game development or design. Im just an electrician.

[grand shuttle]

I don't know anything about game development, but ive literally never worked at a place where servers could break on a friday night and no one cared to fix them until Monday, either. It kind of sticks in my craw too, but it is what it is.

[bronze dirge]

Exactly. I feel like if this was any other game, I wouldn't keep trying to play. I havent pinned down what it is about this game thats so perfect and addictive.

[grand shuttle]

For me its just the way they absolutely nail the feeling of driving a space ship, not being a space ship, if thats a good way to phrase it?

[bronze dirge]

I think that might be it. Between the survival mechanics, the lack of being a main character. I like that Im just a chick in space trying to get by.

I really feel like a Lorville girl in a bigger world, got her lucky break and cutlass (drake) going anywhere

[grand shuttle]

if servers were just a bit more reliable, and they let me personalize my ship interior a bit more id probably be happy playing space trucker for decades, lol.

[bronze dirge]

absolutely this

[half heath]

im not a fan of begging for money

doesnt feel good

[random patrol]

Ive been playing daily since I started in July....even with the bugs. It is addictive....and im content with just cruising around doing small things....salvaging....even updating UEX data

[delicate girder]

What's this I hear about stockpiling things like gold, copper, tungsten, etc for 4.7? Does that make any sense? Would stockpiling a few SCUs help?

[agile oyster]

Dose not help all cargo get wiped every patch

[near swallow]

Was it by chance a distribution center on Microtech? Because there's one that is bugged.

[bronze dirge]

not a distro center, I never made it that far. LH hydrogens omething or other production facility

[near swallow]

I was thinking it might have been MicroTech Logistics Depot S4LD13, which is known to be bugged. Not sure of any locations that have production facility in the name, so don't know what it would be then.

[bronze dirge]

it was something like that I think. Im not sure, I had 3 missions, 2 distro and one random pickup. It was the random pickup that shot me down

[near swallow]

Well MicroTech Logistics Depot S4LD13 is a distribution center, and it is bugged to be hostile, so you don't want to do any jobs to/from it until it gets fixed.

[bronze dirge]

honestly, I gave up on planetary jobs all together. Stellar jobs have increased my abiulity to complete missions to about 30% from 0% chance of completion

I still randomly explode or get sniped by pirates, but at least Im not in debt anymore from rebuys

[near swallow]

With missions so broken, I tend to do stuff that doesn't require a mission. Though I did actually complete two planetary cargo missions from a DC, but I wasn't counting on finishing the missions, I was just using them to get access to the DC. (Or more precisely, the exterior area of the DC.)

[bronze dirge]

I dont seem to run well enough for FPS combat stuff yet. So Im just dsoing hauling and industrial stuff until I can upgrade my ram

[near swallow]

I wasn't doing any combat either. Just looting and a little cargo hauling.

[bronze dirge]

these random placeholder items are multiplying like tribbles

[near swallow]

There are some DCs that are hostile to you unless you have a mission there. This DC turned out to be partly open to me with a mission, the interior spaces were trespassing while the exterior wasn't.

[bronze dirge]

I'd like to get an Idris, so being able to grind fps stuff is important to me. I doubt Ill make enough in a reasonable amount of time to attempt to buy the components ont he player market

[near swallow]

Trying to buy the components, in the current player to player trade economy, would be a nightmare. You'd probably need hundreds of billions.

[bronze dirge]

I saw one for sale on UEX for 1.5T but that was basically for everything alltogehter. All I would have to do is the turn in

[near swallow]

That assumes the offer was legit. Also, Wikelo is as unreliable as every other mission.

[bronze dirge]

So I've heard.

[near swallow]

I've got a bunch of MG scrip I'm not even going to try and turn into favors until missions are fixed. I'm just hoping it doesn't get deleted with 4.7.

[bronze dirge]

My current goal is to get a Hull-C or at least a C2 and use it to 'print money; via high volume trades, and just buy a little at a time. It might be months before Im even at that point though

c2 is probably safer, but I still really like the hull-c design and possibility wise

[near swallow]

If you do get a Hull C, you should look up Captain Deadwake's videos on Youtube, he does a lot of Hull C videos, testing out what works, what doesn't, what workarounds there are, etc.

[bronze dirge]

I'll keep that in mind!

For now, I think I'll run my cutlas until I've aged out of it, and maybe jump to a Starlancer or if I can (since its cheap and holds 500+ scu, a catepillar)

I'm only 6m shy of the cat, addcording to the tools website, so that might be the way to go

[near swallow]

Note that the Cat's lifting thrusters are weak, with a full load, you can't take off in gravity without using boost

[bronze dirge]

I cant do planetary missions currently anyways lol

[near swallow]

Hangars have gravity

External pads do too

[bronze dirge]

good point

[near swallow]

What the Cat is really good for, is cargo separation. For multiple collection/dropoff missions.

[bronze dirge]

I can see that

[near swallow]

I wish they'd get the cargo pod doors fully operational though

[bronze dirge]

I wonder if the Ironclad will have the same issues?

[near swallow]

Ironclad is a very different design, and I think will even have VTOL

[bronze dirge]

I havent looked into it much. I like the idea behind it, and wonder if I can park a prospector and a fortune in its cargo bay safely. Might be a more achievable industrial platform.

[near swallow]

Yeah, the Ironclad has two thrusters at the front that rotate for VTOL. And they'd be more powerful then the tiny thrusters on the Cat.

[bronze dirge]

I've been debating grabbing one one payday after next

[near swallow]

The Cat is just an old old ship, and when they redid the flight model, I don't think they tested it with a full load. I consider the weak thrusters a bug, you shouldn't have to use boost to take off fully loaded.

I did a CCU chain for Ironclad, saves a chunk of money.

[bronze dirge]

I was looking at the Impound for one.

I want to like the Galaxy too, but I dont know if it will have hangar space for the small industrial ships. I know it should for the starter ones though, might be worth it

[steady swallow]

Damn salvage contracts/turn in are still bugged/broke.

[near swallow]

Ironclad may be for sale again at ILW, and in fact may be coming out then. Might be better to buy there then risk a grey market buy.

[bronze dirge]

My vision is to stay out for extended periods of time running industrial and only coming to port for rearm/refuel/repair and selling/refining cargo

fair

[steady swallow]

Ditto here Rose

[bronze dirge]

kinda swings back around to the Idris though lol. I can go a size up on industrial ships, its well defended, and has lots of cargo space

I wonder if I could also get and store a refinery ship/vehicle in one

[steady swallow]

I am happy with owning Mah Reclaimer..as broken as she is lol.

[bronze dirge]

I think my short term goal is a catepillar for now. Then maye a hull c after 4.7 drops. and work towards an Idris.

[near swallow]

A C2 can carry the small industrial ships. As can an 890J, when the hangar's behaving.

[bronze dirge]

C@ isnt a bad idea, but how much cargo space would it lose?

[near swallow]

If you just have, say, a Golem and a Salvation, maybe half or less? Haven't really checked that.

Might not lose half. Ironclad might also work for the same role. And when the hangar's not eating ships, you can put a Golem, Golem Ox, and Salvation on it, without affecting cargo capacity.

A Carrack can fit a Salvation or a Golem, though you might want to lock the hangar open for the latter, but probably not both.

And in the future there'll also be Liberator and Kraken.

[bronze dirge]

I dont really ahve the real cash to spare for a Salvation. At least right now. I dont think the Vulture fits in anything does it?

[jovial matrix]

The vulture fits in the polaris, and I think the 890? Although the 890 is extremely tight

The fortune would fit much easier in both of those ships

[bronze dirge]

Long term goal is an Idris, but if I can get a golem and a Fortune into something I can buy in game, that would be ideal.

or find something with a steady high income so I can save up to buy idris parts when/if the prices drop on UEX. At least for what I cant grind myself

[near swallow]

In theory the Vulture can fit, but lately the hangar has been buggy and tends to eat ships. (they turn purple and vanish, or explode) So, right now in 4.6, probably not going to work.

[bronze dirge]

could a fortune and prospector fit into the bays of a catepillar?

[near swallow]

No

[bronze dirge]

worth a thought

[near swallow]

You can fit a Fury or bike

[bronze dirge]

doest each bay hold 4 32scu crates?

[near swallow]

Each bay can hold about 96 SCU, but the grid isn't setup properly for 32 SCU boxes, even though there is enough room for them. So, 32 SCU boxes can be put in, off grid.

Not counting the front.

[bronze dirge]

I gotcha. Thanks.

[near swallow]

https://sc-cargo.space/#/v1/viewer/caterpillar-official

[bronze dirge]

So it sounds like my best bet for what I want to do is probably a polaris or idris, maybe an ironclad If I can get one during fleetweek/drakecon

sorry if Im going in circles. I may be overcaffinated, and Im still learning this game as I develop my long term goals

[near swallow]

An Idris definitely could be used to haul those ships around, getting one in game though isn't going to be easy though.

[bronze dirge]

I dont mind the hard. I'll have to look into what I need to do. I expect I'll struggle a lot with the FPS and ship combat parts. And I'll need to fi nd a solid grind to buy what I cant myself. After the econ wipe

[near swallow]

Also a minor note, the longer you stay out mining/salvaging, the more you'll have to lose (ores, RMC, CM) if a glitch happens.

[bronze dirge]

Fair. I dont mind that risk so much, its the price of roleplay to me

[near swallow]

Off-grid living may run into some unusual bugs too. Back before server recovery, I bedlogged in my C1 one day, came back to play the next day, and encountered a 30k before I had gone to a city/station. The 30k protection system stored my C1 at Kel-To Rx. A hospital. :b

[bronze dirge]

fair lol

[near swallow]

I lost a box of loot, but actually got it back later with the next patch.

[bronze dirge]

oh nice

[near swallow]

But that was a weird bug.

Almost as weird as being an elevator.

[bronze dirge]

I ran into a bug that ate my red maxlift and my killshot rifle off my back when I died. In armistice.

Im sorry, BEING an elevator? Is that like the fallout 3 subway hat npc guy?

[near swallow]

Regular killshots you can buy at Levski. Red Maxlift should come back with 4.7.

I encountered a bug once where the game was treating me like an elevator car.

[bronze dirge]

That's what I was told. I'm not super worried about the killshot, just through it was odd they gt lost while equipped

in the meantime, my greenone is staying on Lorville

[near swallow]

I would lose control of myself, and then the game would move me from one location to another. From one elevator car to another, at A18. It was really trippy.

[bronze dirge]

oh wild

[near swallow]

And all I did to trigger it, was click the Call Elevator button. I got teleported into the elevator, couldn't use the control panel, and then the game started moving me around.

Because of that, I found out that elevators take straight line paths to their destinations, regardless of geometry, and no doubt are invisible and without collision to others.

[bronze dirge]

oh neat. I noticed they move wierd when watching my ship/pad marker, but couldnt figure out what exactly

[near swallow]

Well, at least that's how the A18 ones work. Station ones might be a bit different.

[bronze dirge]

they seem to swing in arcs

[jovial matrix]

You can definitely get hit by stray elevators lol, I've also seen elevators zoom past me while I was outside a station before

[delicate girder]

That's what I thought but this youtuber was just totally convinced stockpiling would help. Thought something may have changed.

[delicate girder]

Damn wonkavators!

[delicate girder]

I heard the red med gun is somewhat enhanced over the normal. I wonder if the red maxlyft is enhanced in any way other than color.

[near swallow]

Red medgun is supposed to heal faster, and started out bugged so it healed too fast. Maxlift, as far as I know, isn't any different stat wise.

[red granite]

Assume a 1SCU purple rock with 100% Inert Material
How much Inert will be extracted with an Impact II equipped with:
1 FLTR-XL
2 FLTR-XL
3 FLTR-XL

[jovial matrix]

Are you quizzing us or asking a question?

[red granite]

both

There's 3 answers. Additive module, Multiplicative module, and what the game actually does. Theoretically 2 of those calculations should match up.
Asking to make sure my math is right and I'm not getting wacky rocks or my MOLE is bugged.

[elfin rune]

If it filters 100% then youd get 0 inert right?

[spare cloud]

-83%

With 3 of them. It's multiplicative.

[red granite]

I'm testing 1 FLTR-XL at the moment, so far it's 60% across the board

so either my MOLE, these rocks, or the game is borked

[elfin rune]

Thats the max filtering available? Any laser has filter or even gadget? Cant remember

[red granite]

60% as in 40% max filtered out. I'm sucking up 60% of the Inert that is in the rock

[spare cloud]

That's the max.
Every laser has -30 or 40% filtering, then the modules.

[red granite]

got numbers for
8 rocks with 3 FLTRs
14 rocks with 2 FLTRs
working on 1 FLTR now...

something has to be bugged I last tested this in late 3.xx or early 4.xx and it was indeed multiplicative and made sense to run more than 1 FLTR

I couldn't have picked a worse time to test as it's likely to change with 4.7 anyway

I'm thinking there's some hard cap at -40% filtering. anything more is a rounding error. best so far is -40.36%

worst is -37.18%
and these extreme rounding errors are on the small rocks 2SCU or less

I'll have to test without the FLTR, it seems it's not doing jack

the Impact II does indeed do -40% so that would track

waste of a module slot

Focus and Rieger seem to be functioning correctly however

[spare cloud]

Eh, even if FLTR doesn't work, I don't have any use for any other module on my Impact

I'm not ever struggling with green zone or power with it, so 🤷

[elfin rune]

According to regolith hoffstede II + 2x filters = -89% inert

[spare cloud]

Sounds like you got something wrong on regolith

Like an other head active.

[elfin rune]

Im just cheking data, idk where i could be wrong

[red granite]

Yeah I'm not really sure what to put on it. Might swap in some Riegers for power I guess

Going to try a field tractor remove/re-attach. See if that wakes it up

[elfin rune]

Oh fck, it adds the 3 heads in the same data, idk why. Youre absolutelly right

-69%

[spare cloud]

[elfin rune]

Impact II with 3x filters looks like a winner

-83%

[red granite]

weird, the laser operator can see the Head stats change from
INRT MAT LVL |60|
to
INRT MAT LVL |46|
when attaching 1 FLTR-XL
so I'm thinking bugged, since the correct number is showing but the FLTR isn't filtering

45.6 rounds to 46 and that is -24% of the base 60
so idk

[grand shuttle]

So spviewer posted MOTH scrape values after wave 1 on ptu, and a fully crewed moth scrapes at about 50% faster than a vulture/fortune, lol

So, does the massive buff to shield hp make mining ships in less hazard from shatter damage, or does it shield pierce?

[keen garden]

So, on the impact II, the benefits it has over the hofstead is -10% instability rather than +10%, and the extra module slot. The extra module slot makes it capable of breaking very large rocks if you put three modules that improve laser power, like stampede/brandt/surge, and that’s more or less what I use it for solo. It doesn’t have the negative green window effect the helix II has and helps with the instability of quant, even if just a little

I’ve changed to not using an impact on a crewed mole, in favor of just having a second hofstead

[agile oyster]

So still not much point using the moth use a vulture or reclaimer

3.6 x speed for the moth is still way too slow I was expecting close to 10x speed

[grand shuttle]

The only thing its got over the vulture is fracture limit, container size, and auto-print, which is not nothing but its still underwhelming. Its still definitely a smaller step up from the small ships than say, the difference between prospector and MOLE.

[keen garden]

Hmm

I think looking at the speed alone might not be enough to see the full picture

If the scrape area is bigger, a slower speed isn’t necessarily slower than a smaller faster scraper

You also need to take into account the fact that the mole can crack and scoop bigger ships and print bigger boxes, which itself is a profitability improvement over the smaller salvagers

[grand shuttle]

I mean, I did the math multiplying area times rate, and its within 5% of a single vulture arm.

[keen garden]

With the same scrape module?

[grand shuttle]

based on the base hull multipliers

which check out from what ive seen with people posting videos on reddit showing abrade values.

[elfin rune]

This means a solo moth works like 50% ?

[grand shuttle]

Yep:

4.8*3.14*1.05*1.05=16.61 <-- vulture
3.6*3.14*1.25*1.25=17.66 <-- moth

That vulture hull ( which has 2 arms ), and moth hull ( which has 3 turrets)

For ship ( per pilot ) :

Moth:      3.6*3.15*1.25*1.25    = 17.66 // solo
Vulture:   4.8*3.14*1.05*1.05*2  = 33.23 
Fortune:   9.6*3.14*0.84*0.84    = 21.26
MOTH:      3.6*3.14*1.25*1.25*3  = 52.9 // 3 crew
Reclaimer:  10*3.14*2.18*2.18    = 149.22 // solo
Reclaimer:  10*3.14*2.18*2.18*2  = 298.45 // 2 crew

Thats leaving aside any factoring for efficiency, just focusing on time-to-scrape as a function of area scraped per time instead of yield.

[grand shuttle]

Am I missing anything in my math there?

[agile oyster]

I hope they adjust the speed before before 4.7 goes to pu

[steady swallow]

As a Salvager (hoping CIG fixes the salvage mission turn in to finally work)..this is interesting.

Still would be nice IF the Reclaimer could do rubble and pieces as well.

[keen garden]

Why would you ever do salvage in the reclaimer if you can do pieces?

I do get wanting that for quest purposes… but… imo the quests should be wanting cmats instead of the raw boxes that are ship locked

Someone without a moth has a set of contracts they simply can’t complete without pledging if those quests only accept pieces

I do still think there’s a balance point there where the moth can still be the better choice without it being better than a vulture solo, that wouldn’t require the scraping itself to be better. The time you save moving boxes and having longer trips should make up for the slower scraping speed, then once you add in crew it just multiplies that

I don’t like the current balance point the reclaimer is in, by comparison, in that it’s scraping is so much better that once you have one it feels silly not to use it

Assuming your ship targets are big enough to warrant moving your ship to it at all

[agile oyster]

CMAT from moth refines at 20% recliner is 15% and 1 hammerhead fills up the reclaimer buffer you have to empty the moth buffer 3 times to get the same amount you spend more time moving boxes on the reclaimer but you can make more uec per hour
if you have a cargo ship follow you in the moth it’s probably more uec per hour
But for ship crafting you will probably need the 3 different types of CMAT

[keen garden]

right, but it’s about the cmat precursor not the ship

Pieces created by the reclaimer if it were possible would refine at the same rate as pieces created by the moth

[agile oyster]

And scarping RMC in the reclaimer is enjoyable scraping with the moth/ vulture is painfully slow

[keen garden]

That’s why there’s three different precursors to begin with etc

I highly doubt any crafting will require unrefined cmats, but… 🔮

[agile oyster]

The moth is better to use on small ships floating around everywhere it’s better to go after subcap/capital ships with the reclaimer

[keen garden]

Right

The conversation we were having before was mostly about scraping speed

In that a solo moth currently on ptu scrapes slower than a vulture

And how at the reclaimers scrape speed solo the only reason you’d bring a different ship would be to handle things that aren’t worth the reclaimer flying to, like Connie sized ships and smaller

[agile oyster]

So no point scraping rmc solo with the moth

[keen garden]

But in the current game you’d always be better off just leaving those hulls to despawn and finding a herc or starfarer to scrape in the reclaimer

Or hammerhead etc

I would argue, there’s probably a benefit to the moth’s print size that still makes its slower scraping viable

Maybe not at its current rate, but it doesn’t need to be faster than a vulture per laser active for it to be more aUEC per hour scraping

Simply because you are dealing with 8scu boxes and can hold way more of it

[agile oyster]

But no pint getting CMAT with the vulture
So scrap panels /small ships with vulture use moth for cleaning up om pints munching small ships and use the reclaimer for scraping medium size ships and bigger and munching large/capital ship so there is use for all 3
But you have to unload the cmat from the reclaimer into another ship to refine or fly the reclaimer to ruin statin to unload/refine

[keen garden]

Yes but again we were comparing the scraping ability 😀 yes there are advantages to one over the other when it comes to cmats for sure

Because scraping is what is being balanced for the moth this patch

When it comes to cmats the moth mightaswell be a solo ship on that front

[rustic apex]

Solo Mining: Am I doing it right??
Had experimented with a prospector w/ 12scu bags. Running Cellin to Modern Icarius...and i felt i was wasting so much time with QT. So I decided to get a Golem, load it into a C2 w/ 12 extra bags and go to Cellin. I land and mine all around until all bags are full and then fly back to Icaruis to refine. Rinse and repeat.

Does anyone else do it differently? And tips or tricks or something I'm missing before I start this adventure? I put 2 Ciegar 3's on the laser and left the rest of the Golem stock.
Thanks Citizens!

[spare cloud]

Golem with mothership certainly is superior to Prospector.
Now try Prospector with mother ship

[rustic apex]

From what ive read online the prospector in C2 is a no-go? Or its extremely tight fitting and sketchy to do lol

[spare cloud]

It's no no

You need polaris, Idris or 890J

[agile oyster]

But the moth with 3 people should scrap 1.5 x the speed of 1 reclaimer head 0.5 solo
The moth solo should be faster than the vulture

[rustic apex]

10-4! Okay, then I feel pretty good about Golem C2 setup. Last question, do refined materials "generally" stick around between patches? Or with everything I'm currently doing should I just sell it because next patch is gonna have quality attached to the materials?

[spare cloud]

They don't.

[rustic apex]

Then selling it is! My goal is to understand the loop and best mining practices before 4.7 drops.

[keen garden]

I more look at it as, a moth with a 4 player crew should at minimum be 20% better than 4 vultures

So the three players on lasers need to do the work that 4 vultures can do, plus a little bit more

[keen garden]

In theory that would implicitly make it better than the vulture solo, but by how much should be relative to its placement relative to 4 vultures vs 3 moth lasers, not 2 or 1 moth lasers

[grand shuttle]

Whats your math on the reclaimer for scraping?

Im liking doing cmat because theres more stations that buy it instead of having to land at a planet and unload

munching a hammerhead from an unverified salvage mission and after refining its an easy 500k+ auec. Does scraping make that much?

[keen garden]

The reclaimer imo isn’t really capable of being balanced currently

It doesn’t have any tools to get it to support a crew larger than 3 that makes any sense

Put another way it’s above and beyond the best choice at the moment, the only thing slowing it down is its size/lack of agility

Which… is a fairly major drawback if you don’t have a plan for how to deal with large amounts of cargo efficiently

[keen garden]

Tbf… that’s more or less how hauling is balanced

While yes you can theoretically make more hauling large amounts of highly valuable stuff, bulk hauling deals in lower value bulk items, increasing overall value without increasing required crew. The reclaimer more or less functions this way when it comes to cmats, but… not rmc

[steady swallow]

Reclaimer (solo) owner here..I mainly do RMC now more than CM..let alone the hassel right now of refineing CM THEN getting it our of the station for my reclaimer

But really IF you are going to have a crew of 3..might as well use the reclaimer.. BUT once crafting gets more common odds are crafting will need rubble/pieces/salvage

[rich berry]

I used the reclaimer for a long time solo. I am just waiting for the crafter to be able to dismantle ship parts/weapons. So i can double dip ( or triple if you count RMC/CM separately).

[random patrol]

If you offload it/refine it and sell it at the same station....its pretty easy. 🫡

[grand shuttle]

there are a few refinery stations in stanton that buy cmat, but none of them have xl hangars or cargo docks so you are limited to cargo grid

pyro has some that have all of the above tho

I WAS going to try grinding headhunter rep up to get the good pyro salvage missions but ran head-first into the mission system flaking all the way out

[keen garden]

missions in pyro are weird, you basically have to be within a certain area of a planet or station

In stanton I just use orison, leave the cmats there till there’s enough to warrant a few trips with a herc then have a cargo night

[random patrol]

"A few trips with the herc" - id die

[covert dome]

herc my beloved

[grand shuttle]

it doesnt help that the way the refinery makes crates seems to prefer larger number of same-size boxes rather than filling up the largest box possible and "making change".

Last time I refined a result of 36 scu it made 9x4scu crates instead of a 32, and a 4.

[pearl juniper]

did you deliver to the freight elevator, or to a ship? As far as I know, If you deliver to the station it gives you small boxes because it doesn't know what size ship you have. If you deliver to a ship it gives you the biggest boxes that will fit.

[grand shuttle]

I delivered to station.

@keen garden , by "leave the cmats there" do you mean leave them in the refinery work order list?

[keen garden]

There’s no refinery there, so leave them to be delivered in a larger more efficient batch

Alternatively, fly them out to levski

Longer trip for first delivery, but you skip a step by refining it on the spot

[random patrol]

Or....just take the Reclaimer to Terra gateway....offload the CM at an external cargo elevator, refine it, then sell it at the same location. One trip, moving boxes once...

[keen garden]

I just don’t like using the external with a reclaimer

Tbf… I haven’t actually tried, just the idea of having to move each box to the elevator rather than letting them drop to the hangar floor,

[elfin rune]

Drop is the way for me. I dont trust zero G

[random patrol]

Why do it alone? it is an "MMO" last I checked 🫡

[keen garden]

fair

[jovial matrix]

How many people do you usually run with?

[random patrol]

I only need one to help offload.

[keen garden]

A +1 is great on the reclaimer

+2 I feel has diminishing returns

But still fine to run

fun is fun

[random patrol]

Fwiw I dont do it for the $....Ive literally helped players offload for nothing in return

Its just "fun"

[keen garden]

I mean… I don’t either, but part of the fun I get is out of doing efficient ops

[random patrol]

I despise moving boxes more than twice

[keen garden]

Not that I need the money itself

[random patrol]

+1 in the Reclaimer is the best....one pilot...one claw operator

But the moth.....oh the moth is my baby....(onces she fixed lol)

[keen garden]

Excited for the mole next patch

Flew it around nyx last night

[random patrol]

4.7 mining in general

[keen garden]

The sounds are great

[random patrol]

No more "granite" scans

[jovial matrix]

I'm just excited to have a reason to go mining, other than "make money"

[keen garden]

The scanning… I mean I’m not sure how I feel about being able to directly target a specific mineral yet

I think it’s fine… I think the addition of quality gives us back what we lose from that change

[random patrol]

I didnt like scanning each rock every time to find junk...

[keen garden]

You still do that in 4.7

[random patrol]

At least seeing the primary ore will limit that

[keen garden]

Anything below 500 quality is junk

[random patrol]

Yeah but not as bad

[keen garden]

In a cluster of 5 asteroids, I was finding maybe 2 worth cracking

[jovial matrix]

True, but think about how many ores will actually be worth mining now

It'll be more than a handful

[keen garden]

It’ll be more than today for sure

[grand shuttle]

high q iron will be extremely valuable as a lot of the ballistic weapons get a damage bonus from it.

[keen garden]

Where as today you can go 5-6 targets before finding something worth cracking

[grand shuttle]

also, anything that gives an armor set more dmg mitigiation

[keen garden]

The way I see it, is just mine anything above 600 and it’ll have a use, so far I’m going for a variety of stuff so I can just test craft whatever

Assuming it doesn’t get deleted by the next PTU patch

[toxic ice]

in the context of fabrication? cause you can still sell those ores to the tdd no?

[keen garden]

yes

AFAIK they haven’t balanced pricing yet on PTU

[toxic ice]

This is fantastic imo, like nothing worse than spending a minute or two scanning all the rocks to find its all crap you dont want

Id rather find the right mineral but take time to find the better quality, rather than scanning rocks to find it was all innert

[keen garden]

On that subject, the first rock I cracked was 25% inert

After scooping, only ~17% of my bags was inert

Not the best ratio, shoulda been 15, but I didn’t have the cleanest crack and lost some material

Plus there were no primary inert rocks I could skip

Second rock went far better, had several large chunks of 100% inert

[jovial matrix]

Theres a gadget that separates inert and ore better right?

[random patrol]

FLTR modules do.

[jovial matrix]

The stalwart, optimax, and boremax all increase "clustering" which I believe means they try to group ore with ore and inert with inert when the rock cracks

[pearl juniper]

all of the lasers have some base level of inert filtering as well

[keen garden]

Yup, I heard some chat somewhere that FLTR wasn’t working as expected or something… but meh, I don’t think it’s really all that important to better filter it, like, feels like most of the time, if I’m planning accordingly, I’m not so short on bag space that I care that I’m getting 60% of my inert going to the bags, only rarely when I’m operating solo do I have to leave stuff I care about behind

That said, I’d probably just throw fltr’s on a laser head and keep it on the lift for an easy swap if I find something particularly valuable and worth filtering to get every last bit

[mild cloud]

Is the reclaimer in a good enough spot to use in place of my moth, wondering if I should switch the next time it becomes available as a solo player

[agile oyster]

If you don’t mind moving boxes
It works great solo it scraps bigs ships fast and 1 hammered fill the 240 scu buffer and you crack a idris
But it’s annoying there is no refinery in Stanton with a xl hanger to unload the cmat to refine you transfer the cmat to a c2 to go to the refinery or fly to pyro or nyx yo unload and refine

It’s a pain to fill up and unload but it holds over 1500 scu plus the buffer

[mild cloud]

that might still work, right now im using the moth and unloading at loreville then loading into my hermes

[bronze dirge]

Thinking of trying some ground mining after work tonight. I have the Atlas Geo and Greycat ROC. Any advice or warnings I should be aware of?

Loaded into my Caterpillar if that matters.

[agile oyster]

Put a Ursa medivac in your cat for when a rock kills you
If you over charge a rock it will blow up with the power of a size 10 bomb

[random patrol]

Why are you taking it to loreveille and moving the boxes with the hermes?

[mild cloud]

Just was my home location, any recommendations?

[grand shuttle]

Just going to pount out that you can dock and store it and refine whats actually attached to the cargo grid. The hangar is only necessary for off-grid.

[bronze dirge]

Way ahead of you lol. Thanks

[mild cloud]

That's good to know

[random patrol]

Terra gateway - You can refine and sell the CM at one location

[mild cloud]

I was dropping it off because until recently I only had the vulture and would save it up, old habit I guess

[mild cloud]

Thanks!

[grand shuttle]

It also works at most of the l1 stations in stanton except cur-l1. Terra Gateway and Pyro Gateway have refinerys with external cargo elevators though.

[random patrol]

I try not to move boxes more than twice....that includes after it is refined.

[mild cloud]

So is it harder to unload to a external elevator in the reclaimer without dumping all of your stuff into space?

[random patrol]

Its an MMO....get someone to help ypu.

A +1 in a reclaimer is the best idea... I usually grab a friend to help unload to avoid the headache.

[mild cloud]

If I refine off grid I'd it the cargo grid at the box printers or the one below?

[random patrol]

Whats the question?

I would only store the printed boxes in the room with the printers....

Just stack them like legos...make sure you leave some room so you can walk out

[mild cloud]

I want to be able to refine them from the cargo grid so do I print until that room is full than start a reading job, recall the ship and repeat? Or can I chuck them down the hole and sell from there?

[random patrol]

You think I wasted time with the cargo grid?

[mild cloud]

But can the refinery see those?

[random patrol]

No

[mild cloud]

Yeah so to be able to select them as the source for the refinery job can they be down on the lower level?

[random patrol]

Ive never moved boxes down to the lower level.

[spare cloud]

As long as it's on the grid.

[mild cloud]

Ok thx

[random patrol]

How many boxes are you working with?

[mild cloud]

I was hoping to do a couple hoppers

[random patrol]

5$ after you do that I bet you pull your hair out

[mild cloud]

Yeah?

[random patrol]

IMO its time consuming and inefficent. My last run I had 1132 SCU unrefined....There was no way in hell I was wasting the time using the cargo grid

[mild cloud]

How did you refine it?

[random patrol]

Offloaded at an external cargo elevator

[spare cloud]

Dumping it all at once out of the ship then into the freight elevator is a lot faster than getting the cargo on grid, storing the ship, setting up a work order, retrieving the ship and getting more cargo on grid to repeat the process. Hell of a process.

[mild cloud]

Ah

[random patrol]

If you have to move the boxes more than twice its a waste of time....IMO

[mild cloud]

yeah but I prefer to run solo

[verbal lintel]

Because missile explosion radii are changing, we also reviewed the durability of ship access points.

Many doors, ramps, and lifts currently have very low health values and were never properly tuned. Without adjustments, the new missile explosions could blow open a ship with a single hit, which would look odd and break immersion.

To address this, we are increasing their health to better match overall ship durability.

This should result in more believable damage behavior while still allowing access points to be destroyed under sustained fire.```

This sounds like it will make popping doors on abandoned ships for salvage more difficult

hopefully the sustained fire they mention still include fps weapons

[agile oyster]

I guess Just have to bring a railgun to open doors

[verbal lintel]

hopefully i have some kickin around in my inventory

[wise stump]

What are you guys running in the mole with these sliver of green zones? Just wondering if its far off of mine. 1 helix full on laser power and 2 hofsted full on support of green zone and resistance reduction. Plus the gadget on the rock.

[keen garden]

depends on the rock and if I have crew

Solo, the impact 2 is a good choice to break rocks with a small green zone that are on the larger side, because it has three modules you can throw active modules in

Also a good idea to throw a sabir on the rock

If it’s too big for the impact, again, throw a sabir on it, then just deal with the tiny green zone in your helix

Good idea to make yourself a reference relevant to the loadout you have, so you have a good idea of what laser you should use on what rock

With a crew I just brute force everything, run two hofstead on sides with focus/torrent, and the helix with surge/stampede/brandt. Rarely ever need to use a gadget

[hidden garden]

@knotty dove with or without mothership?

[knotty dove]

Without

[hidden garden]

Golem only offers the ability to mothership with smaller vehicles

The prospector can holds more and iirc it's laser is stronger

You can also do the bag swapping thing to get it to 48 capacity

[keen garden]

I think 48 is fine, sure golem is a starter, but it’s laser is more than capable of breaking rocks roughly the size a prospector can with a helix, if you use active modules and a gadget

It should work fine if someone wants to carry it in a herc with extra bags, or standalone

Prospector can’t do that

Well, not without an 890J or idris instead of the herc

Prospector is definitely the better ship, being able to support Argo bags and having an interior for storing a backpack full of extra modules, plus the bed, but the golem is capable

[spare cloud]

[jovial matrix]

RIP

[left ore]

A new dark age befalls SC Industrialists - maybe, on the bright side, there will more direct information / technique sharing among players instead of just "go look at Regolith". I don't mind a little experimentation at the cost of efficiency. I can't imagine how much work that site was, and also "Thank you Raychaser!"

[random patrol]

IMO "Go look at regolith" was easier than explaining something in detail to players over and over.

[spare cloud]

Gets old quickly when people ask the same thing over and over without reading what's on their screen already.

[random patrol]

You of all people know how painful it is to explain something ad nauseum. 🫡

[left ore]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that sending people to the site was a bad move (especially for FAQ-level questions), I mean that it was kind of undeniably the best place to get info, even beyond https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/572706150286622720 in most cases.

Hopefully the Wiki / FAQ / Pins will pick up the slack of the repetetive beginner questions.

[spare cloud]

TBH I wouldn't even mind, if people didn't also need things to be explained by three different people, three times each.

[left ore]

Ok but what's the best place to get Quant and how do I outfit my Mole?

[spare cloud]

Check regolith

|| ||

[random patrol]

How about *do the research yourself *

Or trial and error

[left ore]

I am sometimes surprised by the level of "would you play this game for me" in a game where exploring, experimentation, and customization seems like a big part of the adventure.

[jovial matrix]

Ikr?

[random patrol]

Ive helped players.....even became friends online....only to have them stop playing after a week or two....after showing them how to do everything.

[jovial matrix]

Same

Almost like having someone hold your hand the whole time makes the game not as enjoyable to play

[random patrol]

But SC does have an unforgiving learning curve....so I see how some people need the help....and im fine with that to some extent.

[left ore]

To be fair, you can bumble around and get blown up in an Aurora over and over and have quite a bit of fun unless you just cannot stand losing "your stuff"
A fine balance between nudging someone in the right direction and dropping 15 years of meta-game lore and millions of credits on them.

[red granite]

A lot of the fun for my new player experience was figuring things out on my own. The odd helpful tips like r_displayInfo and whatnot were great. But I always refused aUEC gifts and being told what the "meta" was for anything. With what little game we had back then and even now, much of the gameplay is about exploring the game and learning. Much of what we can do is lost when given the fast pass to "endgame"

[simple cape]

So my assumption is that eventually all the ships and ammo and fuel will be crafted by players. And the stand-in system of just going to a ship vendor and buying a ship will dissappear. You may still be able to rent them though.
Am I wrong?

[random patrol]

Are you being facetious?

[simple cape]

Nah im just stupid.

Serious question, are ships going to be player crafted?

[random patrol]

At least you are honest.

[simple cape]

Honesty is best.

Unless your wife asks "does this make me look fat"? Cos then you know you sleeping outside m.

[viral heath]

soon(tm) or close to never

[long frost]

I was kinda shocked when I read that

[agile oyster]

That sucks so much I use regolith every time I go mining
How will I figure out where to mine
I hope someone else makes a website for mining

[jovial matrix]

In the PTU, each planet/moon will tell you what ores can be found on said planet/moon if you click on them on the starmap. Its not perfect, cause you cant find out whats in asteroid belts, but it goes a long way towards making that info available ingame

[spare cloud]

It does in the PU already, but that's without any percentage or anything other valuable information.

[jovial matrix]

oh really? I didn't realize

[long frost]

Yeah and that is one of the important information which matters to miners

[elfin rune]

[mild cloud]

Is there any talk of an update to the reclaimer?

After using it for a couple days I just don't see why the moth exists

[steady swallow]

The moth exist because it is the ONLY med ship to do pieces for CMATs

But alas as a Long time Reclaimer user here..no update for the Reclaimer/gold/be brought up to date yet. The Reclaimer is CIG Frankenstein and the really are backed in a corner how/what to do with her for bringing her up to gold

Also the MOTH carries a little more than a RAFT for Cargo SO not a bag ship for salvage/cargo... of course it takes a little more time to load/unload a MOTH compared to a RAFT

[mild cloud]

I'm hoping to CCU my mouth to a reclaimer but I think it'll have to be next year unless it comes out in May

[steady swallow]

I was lucky spent almost 2 yrs of ccu chain to get my reclaimer for a hair over $200

[half heath]

is there a way to repair a mech suit in the middle of no were? For example with some vehecle or plane?

[red granite]

used to be able to with a medpen but I think that bugged was patched quickly. Maybe with the SRT tool?

is that redundant? SRT Tool?
Salvage Repair Tool Tool

I never thought about the SRT acronym until now

[half heath]

IF that works, could it repair it to functioning state or is it very minimal repairs it does?

[mild cloud]

Thoughts on grey market CCU fillers?

[frank warren]

idk, I feel like a reclaimer update is years out from happening.

[mild cloud]

Gold standard would be nice, but I suppose it would be one more reason to pirate

[long frost]

!gm

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[shell finch]

is there a mining site where i can look up all up to date minerals, how to mine them and where, how being hand mining, geo or ship, where being cave planet or asteroid

[spare cloud]

Use !regolith and verseguide.com

[fallen badge]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[shell finch]

isnt regolith being taken down this summer?

[spare cloud]

What's stopping your from using it now ?

Also June 1st isn't summer yet.

[pearl juniper]

I expect most of the data will be invalid next week though

4.7 is probably changing distribution a lot

[spare cloud]

And there will be nowhere to look at

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, for chances for sure. The star map does provide some clues. But it doesn't list everything that spawns there. Just the main things. But it's kinda weird. A rock called a "tin" rock will also contain copper. You have 2-3 other minerals bundled with the main one. So it's kinda like live. Except for the name of the rock.

And I think that bundle might be static. So Copper and tin are found together, for example

[near swallow]

It's not quite that simple. Tungsten can be found with both Lindinium or Laranite.

[pearl juniper]

so there might be a few static combos? But it's not fully random. Or at least not in the areas I was mining. Maybe it varies from planet to planet or system to system. But it makes sense, certain minerals do tend to be found together I believe.

[near swallow]

Not random. Laranite and Riccite can also be found together.

[pearl juniper]

I'm not a big fan of the change to naming the rocks after the mineral though, for one thing after cracking a rock you can literally end up with a rock that is 100% intert, but it's called "tin". That's not confusing at all...

[near swallow]

Oh, and I'm talking about 4.7.

[pearl juniper]

same

I haven't played much in the PTU, but I spent a couple hours yesterday messing around with mining and crafting just to get a taste of it

[near swallow]

Quartz can be found with Hephastanite and Silicon all together.

So, it's not just pairings.

[pearl juniper]

right I have seen at least 3 in one. Might have even been four... I recall "gold" rocks had a few things in them

[near swallow]

There's also a whole new FPS mineral, Sadaryx, that of course is only found through Rockbreaker.

[pearl juniper]

also what's the new threshold for needing to crack a rock? 2 SCU? It's way lower than it was before

[near swallow]

Not sure what you mean by that

[pearl juniper]

used to be you could extract anything less than 10scu. In 4.7 you have to recrack to get it down to about 2.

[near swallow]

I don't think it works quite like that, it would depend on the power of the extraction laser

[pearl juniper]

or maybe laser "extraction power" now means something?

it didn't used to, but would be great if that stat had meaning now

really should probably be mass based, not scu based

probably IS, if it's tied into extraction power

I need to play with it more, like I said only a couple of hours total in 4.7 at this point

[agile oyster]

With genesis there will be places on planets that have a lot of 1 ore so once you find a deposit you can keep coming back to it
Instead of rocks have random ores in random places?

[pearl juniper]

I believe they have said something to that effect, yes. Hopefully we get some sort of quantum beacon or map pin that we can set by that point. Also you are supposed to be able to "know" what ore you might find in an area by how the landscape looks.

[mild cloud]

When you guys unload a reclaimer onto an exterior elevator how much do you work about boxes that drift off?

Or is it better to just salvage in pyro?

[toxic ice]

Hello helpful citizens of the star, caranite, caves only or surface also?

[limpid sluice]

caranite, Hathor sites only

[jade cape]

hathor sites only, need to fire mining laser to open hole in ground to collect

[agile oyster]

Yeah it’s so dumb it’s the only way to get it
when you fire the laser 3 idris show up to kill you
You need a org to fend every one off

[jovial matrix]

Almost like its a sandbox event meant for groups to run

[agile oyster]

But there needs to be a way to get Caranite without an org

[toxic ice]

Yeah, i didnt know this until i was already being blown up

[jovial matrix]

Try the #market-street channel or #1019852856460853258 channels instead

[dusky hedge]

?

[jovial matrix]

Guess you gotta verify this first, sorry I didn't know you had to do that

[spare cloud]

You're not allowed to trade outside of the dedicated channels, that you do not have access to if you've been here for less than two weeks.
Read the #rules_and_information .

[jovial matrix]

They've been here for barely two weeks, they're fine in that regard

[spare cloud]

And already got a #1019852856460853258 mute.

[jovial matrix]

mmm I see

[keen garden]

Tbh it’s just as much of a crapshoot for an org, we show up with an idris and fighters an still have to fend off people making their way into the hole and other idris’s coming out to play (whether due to us failing to see them or whatever,) I guess what I’m saying is it’s perfectly possible for solo or small group players to get in and score some pure carinite. Also… it seems common for there to just be no pure there anyway.

But also… this is a game with player trading, maybe for your group you are better off collecting something else and trading for pure carinite.

Like Polaris bits, favors, apex fangs,

Even the new attachments are often going for wikelo mats

Best bet if you want to do Hathor solo or in a small group is to pre-collect alignment boards and batteries so you can be in and out quicker. Arrive, scout, install the blades (ideally with a group of 3 players), drop the batteries, fire the laser, get the pure out, then crack the rest of the rocks so pure respawns

Think we had like 6 people last night? Just a solo idris to scare people off, 3 in the hole 3 in the air

[agile oyster]

Wikelo was great back when pure was selling for 10-20 mil per
So having rare stuff that needs a big group to get is fine when the economy isn’t completely ruined

[keen garden]

Don’t think we got anything of value out of it, no pure spawned unfortunately

[agile oyster]

They reduced the spawn rate for pure a while ago and AAA pearls its unreasonably rare now

[keen garden]

Coulda sworn they did the opposite recently

But eh, there’s also a… bug? Feature? With pure carinite, more of a… just the way things are, people often just don’t mine anything but pure

So all those nodes that could spawn pure don’t, because they were never mined of regular carinite

There’s also another bug… where instead of dropping carinite you’ll get the literal carinite node

That you can then drop anywhere and it’ll regrow there

[agile oyster]

Makes sense hopefully now with crafting and a need for normal caranite people will mine all of it
The bugs never end they don’t pay enough attention to older missions

[keen garden]

Actually not sure it’ll regrow… I’ve seen claims it was there but haven’t seen it myself, got my first nodes last night but I left them on my ship, which ended up getting stolen

[latent crag]

does a positive inert materials modifier mean it increases inert materials or decreases them? this is on the klein S2 laser according to finder.cstone

[spare cloud]

No inert mat modifier is positive, it's just being extra confusing.

[latent crag]

ok good to know ty

[golden patio]

Can the reclaimer be used current state of game for the salvage RMC contracts for 33k turning in 5 rmc?

[spare cloud]

Sure.

[keen garden]

Yea you can print the smaller boxes in the reclaimer, or print a larger box and it’ll split the cargo box for you

[golden patio]

ive just heard bugs where it wont submit if u print from reclaimer could be hear say

[keen garden]

I suspect that might be a diff issue

There’s been issues with contracts turning in ever since the free fly

[golden patio]

i think its when they started the you can turn in this "or" that and the contract thinks its not complete cause you picked one of the 3 items to turn in causing a glitch or error with the code

[keen garden]

Yup, exactly how the issue presented itself for the ship mining missions

[golden patio]

same for salvage missions then

[keen garden]

You’d turn stuff in, and it would say complete, but the contract never closes and gives you the reward

[golden patio]

my rep grind has been very very slow

i would turn in the RMC and the contruction salvage and it would not submit. and would eat my cargo and provide no rep

[keen garden]

It’s most noticeable for collection missions, because you lose all your stuff, but it happens with all contracts

Wikelo, patrols, Hyperion,

Terrible time to be turning stuff in to wikelo

[golden patio]

wow first of many that actually completed

[grand shuttle]

lol, they really deleted moth from store before the patch launches that fixes its bugs.

[red granite]

FOMO baby!

[random patrol]

I bought the moth day 1....FOMO

[mild cloud]

I did it too

I hate that ship

Reclaimer is way better

[vestal ravine]

Bought a bunch of Carbon Silk. UEX not show it listed as a sellable item... Where can I sell this at? I found out. It

[dawn urchin]

what do you hate about it?

[vestal ravine]

Its a one letter word not two. Carbon-Silk...

[mild cloud]

Its just crap at scraping (take a vulture) and it sucks at munching because of the buffer(I know it's going to be 64) I tried it yesterday vs a reclaimer and crunched 2 ships, unloaded and refined using the same method. Given that I had to unload at an external elevator add maybe 10 mins to the reclaimers time. But since it could take on bigger ships (munch time about the same per ship) and figure I spent about 10 mins printing boxes the reclaimer ($50 more) produced $914,400 while the moth only did $186,500

[dawn urchin]

Thanks for responding, for context into why I was wondering, I'm a reclaimer owner but it's always felt a bit big even with a crew and the moth has had a lot of love-hate that I haven't been sure about it, ignoring the genuinely-broke-to-be-fixed parts of it

[mild cloud]

I don't find the moth any more convenient than the reclaimer but it produces way less money, can't be bought in game and if you're paying real money for it it should be cheaper, the vulture is $175 the moth should be like $250

[dawn urchin]

That does make sense

[mild cloud]

Or at least it should be super fun to fly, soloable or provide a different functionality like if it carried less but refined on board. Really anything to set it apart, it's kinda the weird middle child

[dawn urchin]

I do wish multi-crew was presented in a more meaningful way than We split up the duties of the smaller ship so you can't scale your gameplay naturally

When I was playing the Reclaimer with the family it was fun to have someone scraping, someone down in the processing room sorting the crates out and someone on defence watching the radar. They could put the Claw and scrapes on the pilot seat and not dramatically change that multi-crew rotation

[mild cloud]

Or give the claw seat a tractor, that's my biggest complaint when I'm disintegrating and the chunk drifts away

[dawn urchin]

What is the largest crate the Moth can produce?

[random patrol]

you watch your mouth

[random patrol]

8's

[mild cloud]

And only 8's I forgot about that, add that to my list of why the moth blows compared to it's competition

[left ore]

-Not Reclaimer
-Not Drake

[mild cloud]

How often do we get store credit buybacks again? This moth is going to the flame

[mild cloud]

2 more excellent points

[dawn urchin]

What I really want is two caterpillers welded together, drake fashion, to make one giant Vulture

[mild cloud]

You mean the ironclad

With a salvation

[dawn urchin]

The iron clad can be the middle bit for the Vulturpiller

[left ore]

IC with 2 Cats, now we're talking

[random patrol]

We should have a test then....you in your reclaimer and me in my moth....see who makes the most solo over a set amount of time....and I mean completely offloaded and in the refinery

[left ore]

is 2 people in a Moth any better than 1 person in a Moth?

[mild cloud]

I tried it with my moth and my reclaimer the moth was about 25% of the income but 0% of the fun

[random patrol]

One person is fine....since the pilot can control the claws

[mild cloud]

I will give the moth that, it is nice to be able to reposition

But munch one starfarer and you max out at 240 scu in one chunk

[left ore]

so you need a cargo ship to follow you so you can poop out 8-SCU boxes and they can haul them away?

[random patrol]

No....it has a cargo grid

Sorta like the fortune

224 SCU on grid

at 20% with 15k at the TDD thats 670k not counting refinery fees. You dont have to offload her either

reclaimer has 420 on different floors

I just toss the 16's in the printer room....stacked like legos

[mild cloud]

That's fully maxed out, if you unload you can get 1000 scu plus in the reclaimer, so like I said if you're willing to deal with the unload the reclaimer makes more than 4x

I did a starfarer and an m2 and got like 980k

How many ships to fill that moth up?

[random patrol]

I know all about the reclaimer

That last order was maybe 2.7 mil....I forget

I love them both....it just depends on my mood what one I take out...

[mild cloud]

Thats actually how I feel about my vulture and salvation, but my main gate for the moth is it's price

[mild cloud]

Oh thanks for the terra gateway tip btw

How Many flyaway boxes do you get when you dump onto the grid? Any tips?

[random patrol]

None because I get someone to help.

[mild cloud]

I might have to finally join an org

[mild cloud]

How does money work in org events?

[random patrol]

The group im in has sunday morning mining ops. You earn "shares" dependant on how long you are part of the op...the more shares the more $ you earn.

[jovial matrix]

Really depends on the org. Typically, my org just shares the missions and everyone who accepts gets their cut of the mission payout. Sometimes we'll make money specifically for the org, where all the proceeds go to the org bank at the end of the night

We do it a little different if we're completing a contract from another player/group, for example lets say someone wants 20 pure carinite and they'll pay 200mil. The org bank takes 50%, so 100mil, and then everyone who helped get the 20 pure will get an even cut of the remaining 100mil

[mild cloud]

I mean more for like hey come help me unload this reclaimer, call me paranoid but couldn't you unload 500+ scu onto the elevator and the guy just goes up and hits the down arrow and he now owns my stuff?

[jovial matrix]

You've have to be in a pretty shitty org if one of your fellow members did that lol

[mild cloud]

I mean for asking people in chat for help

[jovial matrix]

yeah that you just have to trust people

[mild cloud]

I guess I'll go org shopping

I'm assuming org Bank is for ships and repairs/reload

[jovial matrix]

Yeah pretty much

[mild cloud]

That's pretty sweet how do ships work in an org?

[jovial matrix]

Same as they do if you're solo, you can't like gift someone your ship to use if you're not online

Also, when I say org bank, I mean that we've assigned someone (our org leader) to hold and keep track of money specifically meant for the org. There isn't an actual org bank feature ingame

[mild cloud]

Gotcha, so to use an org so you need the org leader to meetup and spawn it, but I'm guessing you make money faster and full or your own hangar pretty fast

[jovial matrix]

Doesn't have to be the org leader. If I wanna borrow an idris, I'd ask any of the people that have an idris, which happens to include our leader

The whole idea of orgs are pretty much entirely un-supported ingame. My org is effectively a group of people that hang out in discord and play the game together on the regular

[mild cloud]

Are you recruiting?

[jovial matrix]

Indeed we are, I can DM you a server invite if you want

[mild cloud]

Please

[elfin rune]

Havent seen anything about the moth lately, is it fixed?

[random patrol]

Ive helped random players unload...one even let me fly their reclaimer because they couldn't figure out how to approach the external elevators. I get being cautious but you'd be surprised how many decent players you run into

[limpid sluice]

Yes, go download the 4.7 PTU and play with it

See if everything is working properly now

[grand shuttle]

If you are in an armstice zone you can't do that.

[jovial matrix]

Seems like you need a crewed mole to mine lindinium, all the rocks Im seeing are 40k+ mass and 500+ instability

[random patrol]

100% accurate

[latent crag]

prospector can store up to 16 ore bags right? including the 4 being actively used?

[spare cloud]

Two sets of bags only.

[latent crag]

do i have to manually put the spare empty set on once i detach the full bags or is it automatic?

and can i store more empty bags in an idris and put them on the prospectors to reduce travel times?

[spare cloud]

It's not implemented. At all.

The folded bags are there, but unusable.

When your working bags are full, just replace them for other ones.

[latent crag]

so i can still put empty bags in an idris and just attach them to the prospector manually

they just arent folded or anything

[grand shuttle]

Prospector can store bags somewhere? Do you just mean the ones attached to the outside?

[mild cloud]

Yes please

[candid stratus]

@grand shuttle nope prospector cant store bags u can move em to cargo ship tho and attach empty ones

[near swallow]

Both the Prospector and the MOLE are supposed to have one or more extra sets of bags, in a collapsed state, attached to the ship. The idea being that you would remove the full bags, put them in a refinery ship (Expanse) or cargo ship, switch to the next set of bags, and go back to mining. This feature is not actually implemented yet though.

The MOLE does visibly have 2 extra sets of bags equipped though. Early info for the Prospector indicates it was going to have 2 extra sets of bags too, but I don't know if that has changed.

[grand shuttle]

Yeah, I have prospector in game and see no sign of this so I was quite confused.

as far as I can tell its just got the 4 bags.

[pearl juniper]

They may have removed them after the "96scu prospector bug" last spring. Although oddly they didn't remove the extra flat bags from the MOLE when they fixed the similar bug on that.

[grand shuttle]

I should probably just buy a MOLE

[craggy tapir]

whats the difference between the hofstede s2 and helix s2

[pearl juniper]

everything. Helix is higher power, shorter range, smaller charge window. Hofstede is long range, lower power, big boost to charge window. There are other differences as well. Download and play with this a bit: #industrial-professions message

[near swallow]

There actually is a second set of bags equipped to the Prospector, they are just not so obvious because of the band that goes around the bags at the top. If you pull a bag off and look at where it was attached, you can see the second bag. Here's a screenshot of it.

No sign of the third set of bags though.

[craggy tapir]

mole only has 3rd

[near swallow]

MOLE has 3 sets of bags equipped. One usable, 2 collapsed.

[keen garden]

Because you own the cargo, the external elevator won’t let anyone not in your party send it down

If they’re in your party tho…

Alls fair

[grand shuttle]

Does that actually work? you can detach the first set of bags and then the second will inflate as you use them?

[keen garden]

No

More or less wishful thinking, no mining ship supports collapsible bags currently

[grand shuttle]

I was hopeful for a moment, that would actually be pretty neat.

so like the collapsed bags are just cosmetic and not usable as real bags?

[keen garden]

If they did we could store more than 4 bags in the mole’s new elevator

Yeah just cosmetic

It might become a thing one day

[near swallow]

There was a brief period of time where you could manually remove the extra bags (or at least one set of them) and you could actually equip them in the lower slot, where they showed up as a smaller capacity bag from what I recall. This also enabled an exploit where you could equip 2 sets of expanded MOLE bags onto a MOLE (maybe even 3) and get extra capacity. A patch fixed that and right now the extra bags cannot be interacted with.

I think at one point collapsed bags were available in the cargo deck store in PTU as well, but that didn't last.

[craggy tapir]

they were yea

that was when ore bags didnt have the correct grid on freight elevators

[mild cloud]

Should I get an ox to pair with my ic?

[mild pumice]

I actually miss the OX I CCUd it via the RAFT increase to a Hermes. Hopefully will be able buy it in game soon!