industrial-professions

[covert dome]

rip

[keen garden]

that's just part of the data

missions are inconsistent

[covert dome]

fair

[bronze dirge]

SO, I keep finding abandoned ships, owner unknown, that I cant interact with at all. Whats the deal?

Also, I like to strip modules off salvage wrecks for RP feels, but where do I sell Baler Heads?

[keen garden]

gotta enter the ship kinetically

[bronze dirge]

I cant. Shooting them doesnt seem to do anything. Personal weapons, ship weapons.

[keen garden]

what ship?

[bronze dirge]

I dumped 3 shotgun mags into the door latches on the last one and nothing

Last one was a Vulture. I came across a Mole tonight that I ignored

[keen garden]

takes more to break ramps than it does airlocks

yea ignore moles

vulture... gotta break the back ramp, it'll take a bit

takes 3-4 mags with a c54

ballistics on your ship help

[bronze dirge]

I can do that. Moth weapons are mostly decorative

[keen garden]

2 scorpion ought do

can usually find them on hornets

[bronze dirge]

So if I want to do long trips in the black salvaging, I need a fk ton of ammo?

gotcha, thanks

[keen garden]

doesn't take many shots from a ship weapon

[bronze dirge]

is there a sub-targeting system, or do I just need to familiarize myself with where the ship ramps/locks etc are?

and thank you so much. Ive been trying to get an answer all day. No one has responded before now

[keen garden]

there is... but it sucks

best to get familiar

[bronze dirge]

thank you

[covert dome]

tip is put more energy pips into your weapons on the MOTH

i was able to crack open hangar bays on a perseus with it

[bronze dirge]

oh nice. can I do it with energy weapons, untill I can upgrade to ballistics?

[covert dome]

depending on if shields are on, yeah usually

[bronze dirge]

yeah all of them so far have had shields on

[covert dome]

ballistics ignore shields, so its the recommended one

[bronze dirge]

I assume I aim for the hatch itself, not the button

[covert dome]

the button will kill it too or just above

i think its by trial and error depending on the ship

[bronze dirge]

gotcha

[covert dome]

just go around and test it out, i still don't fully understand the science myself, just shot till it worked

[bronze dirge]

the cargo lift on this moth I found is not popping open. Does it take a lot of lasering?

shields regened x.x

[covert dome]

on the moth, try shooting the actual lift just above the cargo

that one dropped after a few tries for me

had to break into one

[bronze dirge]

I'll try EVA with my rifle. then go back to shooting if that doesnt work. Thanks!

[covert dome]

good luck

[bronze dirge]

o7

[covert dome]

i pushed my MOTH power pips to max for weapons when i used it and it was much easier

headed to bed but gl gamer

[bronze dirge]

yeah Im maxed for my guns

alrighty. Ill come back when I have ballistics. This isnt worth my time :/

[keen garden]

collected 100+ rmc, goin for a landing to sell now. might be just over an hour, by a few min, but...

don't have to unload, because it all fit on grid

solo reclaimer rmc is still worth

i think collecting csalvage too will on avg be more profit, but also more work and require longer sessions to see the value

when the orison shuttle arrives just as you need it to

834400 aUEC in 1 hour scraping rmc in a reclaimer solo (+5min)

but i found there's room for improvement

i should abandon missions till i get a starfarer or hammerhead, scraping a caterpillar is a waste of time

lots of dead space that give no or very little rmc

starfarer is much better now than it used to be

also... if going for profits, don't go after every bit of hull on a s hip, get the stuff you can get efficiently

abandon go next

[mild lantern]

So, watching a Youtuber doing cargo runs... one thing I am curious about - he parks his ship at an angle to the freight elevator. Each and every time. In a hangar, on the surface of a planet... every time at an angle. Like 45 degrees to the door to the freight elevator. Why?

[keen garden]

Consistency leads to efficiency

45 degree angle means you are turning only 45 degrees rather than 90 when moving through the door, if you’re standing at one side of the door (outer of the angle), which used to be a far more efficient position when you moved everything with either ship tractors or an ATLS

But now with moving most things using hand tractors, it can be better to just be straight on to maintain momentum

see what works for you

[elfin rune]

not a bad number, really bad ship the caterpilar, losts of space for around 10scu. HH and Starfarer brings around 30, starfarer a bit trickier for the angles

last day i farmed 200rmc, all on grid, no load or unload cargo. around 1.4M

[keen garden]

For the starfarer I just scrape top bottom and go next

Screw the angles, get the easy stuff :p

[elfin rune]

im not saying its better than full cm 1.6k scu, but way more easy

no loading unloading,no box jugling

[keen garden]

Though you can get a little more if you angle on the top side slightly

[elfin rune]

yap, but hh its the king

[keen garden]

Yup

[elfin rune]

2 planes flat

[keen garden]

Ez 45 rmc

Sucks to crack a hammerhead tho

[elfin rune]

i didnt

just passed and found another one, was looking for RMC

[keen garden]

I think my strategy will be scrape starfarers only, and crack every one of them

[elfin rune]

id like to try go full RCM only HHs

[keen garden]

So each one will give you 30ish rmc and 240ish csalvage , very consistently

[elfin rune]

it will force you to unload manually, with the time spent, and refine

[keen garden]

Yup, but I have a strat for that too

Rmc on grid, cmat off grid

[elfin rune]

which is more time to get money, which makes the money/hour go away

kinda

[keen garden]

So you can directly sell the rmc on grid at orison, then offload to your herc or whatever

But also… we’re moving in the direction of not selling or refining

[elfin rune]

apparently you can dock in the -1s, refine and sell in the place

[keen garden]

Gathering for org group events to turn it all in for rep

[elfin rune]

oh

thats great

anyone know whats happening with the actual resources when fabrication drops? will i have random quality? minerals wipe?

i might start gathering some stuff

[keen garden]

Not sure 100% other than all minables have quality and I think salvage does too

Refining is supposedly changing in a significant way, but haven’t heard anything significant about that

[elfin rune]

hmm, i might go for a mining trip for cool resources, titanium iron aluminium

[keen garden]

I’ve also heard about materials I’ve never heard of till this last test too

Maybe stuff we’ll be getting at rock breaker

If not literally new materials out in the verse

[elfin rune]

the day it goes live, im going to pyro stations, i hope noones around xd

i want a corbel set for indrustrial gameplay

[keen garden]

Def gonna be a good time to be in pyro if you’re focusing on mining

[elfin rune]

bye bye to all the regolith and monstersc work apparently, the mineral distribution will change

[keen garden]

The unverified salvage missions around yela are too good, to the point where no other salvage source even comes close

[elfin rune]

yap

[keen garden]

What I want to see is salvage quests in pyro that send you to a sort of… field of ships

[elfin rune]

would be amazing

[keen garden]

An assortment of crashed ships like a battle happene

Large ships, medium ships, small ships

[elfin rune]

reclaimer fangs sharpening

[hidden garden]

I will get a reclaimer if it gets auto salvage unload

[elfin rune]

you can freely use the grid cargo

or you mean from buffer to grid?

[hidden garden]

Like the fortune yeah

[elfin rune]

that would be great

[hidden garden]

They've released 3 salvage ships recently and now that feature out numbers the ones that don't

[elfin rune]

totally true, and cant argue its for " small solo ships " cause the KING also have it

vulture doesnt tbf

[keen garden]

I think it will eventually

I get the reclaimer is supposed to be a multi crew ship, and that having someone move boxes supports that, but it being a competitive ship while being properly crewed while also not being crazy op solo seems like a hard mark to hit if the multi-crew isn’t mostly made up of people in lasers

As it is it’s in a weird place because it has one less laser than the moth

Sure it’s lasers are bigger but by having just 2 there’s no reason you’d ever have more people on it than you’d have on a fully crewed moth

Which ain’t right

[elfin rune]

i love the reclaimer but it needs a lot of work

[hidden garden]

Yeah, it's not worth it imo right now when the moth gets fixed

[craggy tapir]

1 thing i want for reccy is a grid infront to put some salvaged components and guns in

I would also love suregrips on the salvation

[rough haven]

I would assume that if its not a full wipe that currently farmed materials will be minimum quality.

[raven fjord]

Looking to get into mining and already own Polaris... Would it be efficent to fill the polaris's cargo hold with empty drake golem pods, go to an asteroid field and fill the golum, change the pods to empty ones and then bring one huge haul back to refine?

[hidden garden]

Use a prospector and argo bags

Prospector can be carried by a polaris

[cedar ledge]

Does anyone have a definitive list of what ships each salvaging ship can fracture and disintegrate?
Am doing salvaage contracts at the moment and I don't want to waste money if I can't fracture the contracted ship... Using a Vulture at the moment.

[spare cloud]

Vulture, Fortune : any size 4 ship and smaller.
MOTH : any 125000m^3 ship and smaller. That's basically like the two above with a few S5 ships added.
Salvation, I don't recall exactly, but I believe it's size 3 and smaller.

[cedar ledge]

Thanks - Is there a list of what size ships are? I know I can munch a Constellation 😉

[spare cloud]

Go to !erkul and sort them by size

[jolly dagger]

#DPSCalculator

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[cedar ledge]

Ah neat - Thanks 🙂

[grand shuttle]

Don't most commodities get disappeared during patches?

[rough haven]

unsure, I typically dont hold onto commodities

[grand shuttle]

I was going to try salvaging in pyro because the convenience of having an xl hangar, refinery, and selling on the same station sounded awesome. The pervading feeling of needing to get a tetanus shot is kind of detracting from that though

[next idol]

Is there any ship to do it there?

I never salvaged in pyro

[grand shuttle]

You have to grind up faction rep before you get the good salvage missions there

[next idol]

Oooh I still didn’t do the rep missions

I should do them today

[elfin rune]

You mean like the regular stanton contracts?

And theres " ilegal " contracts like yela and hur?

[pulsar trout]

I just got the hull C last night, and was wondering if you can use it to do the AA cargo missions?

[elfin rune]

theres some huge missions for it

[pulsar trout]

I haven't used it for any other missions yet so I dont really know how it works...

[elfin rune]

i think its 1M pay

[pulsar trout]

in AA?

[elfin rune]

check yt videos,not intuitive at allk

[pulsar trout]

okay so you can do AA with it?

then I guess we just need to try again 😅

[elfin rune]

yes, the cargo haul - large scale

500-600k payment

[pulsar trout]

awesome thank you

I docked and nothing happened so im not sure what I did..

[elfin rune]

its hard to explain here, check yt tutorial, its not intuitive at all the Hull C loop

[lusty hornet]

Im at Levski with 2600 SKU of mold treatment, where do I dock to auto unload?

[grand shuttle]

You don't dock, you hail the cargo ATC and they give you a box to park in in space

[lusty hornet]

Typically yes but there is no Hail Cargo at Levski

[grand shuttle]

There is normally, what ship are you in?

[lusty hornet]

Hull-C

I was at the docking port, was that too far away?

[grand shuttle]

freight elevators are down at the bottom of the hole, so maybe

[covert dome]

@keen garden I just learned the Polaris from the QV stations is scrapeable... use that as you will

don't think you can crack it but you can scrape it

[raven fjord]

Are there any stations that have both an extra large hangar and a refinery? Trying to work out issues before I fill my polaris with drake ore pods

[spare cloud]

The Gateway stations only have a refinery, but you can still (un)load cargo there with external freight elevators.

[raven fjord]

I have recently found that every station doesn't respond when you try to hail the cargo landing services and doesn't give me a cargo elevator

I have seen other people have been having this issue too in global chat

[solemn lance]

Yeah i have The Same Problem my Hull C is Fully Loaded and i chill outside off The Station over 1 Hour trying to Call Cargo

[next idol]

I wish they stopped doing usless content and just fix the cargo stuff

[astral leaf]

Warp away from the station, then warp back and try again.

[solemn lance]

I will try

[astral leaf]

That has a pretty good chance of fixing it

And fixing most hailing issues

[astral leaf]

This is what I like to do with my Reclaimer. Park the butt right over the freight elevator, have one guy chuck the boxes out and another grab them and place them. Pretty easy to dump almost 2000 scu of freight that way

[raven fjord]

I did this it didn't work

Okay so next question...

If my polaris is full of ore pods on the cargo grid and I store it at the station after docking. Will I then be able to refine the material from the console?

And then will I be able to get the finished contents loaded back into the cargo bay of the polaris or will I have to manual load?

[astral leaf]

Yes if its on the. Grid Shadow

Yes to both

You can refine directly from Grid and take the refined stuff and directly store it from Refinery screen to the Polaris

That’s how I load my Hull C

[raven fjord]

Amazing thank you so much

[astral leaf]

I just have it sitting in the Refinery and that’s what I load into

[raven fjord]

I'm going to fill my polaris with empty golem pods and use it as a base for my golem 🙂

[astral leaf]

It will ONLY count the grind stuff though

Grid

Which absolutely sucks for Reclaimer pilots like me

[raven fjord]

Yeah that's fine I think like 20 ore pods will be enough lol

[raven fjord]

Yeah that really sucks man

[astral leaf]

Because I can get close to 2000 scu off grid, and only 80!!!! On grid

[raven fjord]

I thought the reclaimer has like 400scu of grid storage??

[astral leaf]

Actually that might be right.

[raven fjord]

split over like 3 decks

[astral leaf]

The problem is

[raven fjord]

Using the lift for it all?

[astral leaf]

It’s split between 2. There is no grid on the “salvage cargo” part

It’s only in the Cargo and Salvage Processing parts, and its a bitch to move between. You can only feasibly move 3 16 SCU containers at a time

[raven fjord]

That's so rough

[astral leaf]

And if your lift breaks? Good luck.

Especially if you are salvaging components too

[raven fjord]

Yeah I bet

Reclaimer seems so good but so not at the same time

The potential is there

[astral leaf]

I adore my Reclaimer. best ship in the game visually and game loop wise, but this cargo area needs a full overhaul

[solemn lance]

Sadly didnt work still thanks

[astral leaf]

Shit sorry John

Did you try calling it from the MFD?

Rather than say a hotkey?

[solemn lance]

You mean im Comms? Then yes same result

[astral leaf]

Hmmmm. That sucks. I am out of ideas, except for the nuclear option. Alt F4 then immediately log back in

You should be back in your cockpit

Can fix a large number of issues

[solemn lance]

I will first look for a Cargolift then i will ALT F4

[solemn lance]

My Game crashed my Cargo is gone i fly just The Caterpillar xD

[astral leaf]

Oh no, I’m so sorry lol

[young elm]

I heard that when taking paid salvage contracts, there are certain ships that have a high chance of containing military components, would anyone have a list of these ships?

[verbal tangle]

If you mean military components in general, not caring what size/grade, look for the military ships. Off the top of my head vanguards / retaliators / valkryes are ones i think i seen in salvage contracts.

If you find a prowler those have a stealth A quant drive, but tis annoying to get out of the ship cause it barely fits.

[keen garden]

and it's not a chance, it's about what ships come with stock

[verbal tangle]

^^ I was gonna mention that too but didnt know if that changed with the new missions tbh

havent done many of the new missions

[keen garden]

i haven't either, that's a fair point

no idea how those ships are configured

[spare cloud]

Every ship on !Erkul is listed with the default load out until you edit it.
See what each ship ciels with.

[jolly dagger]

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[young elm]

thankyou

[grand shuttle]

Am I reading the notes on crafting changes wrong, or does it sound like we will finally be able to tell empty ore pods from full?

[pulsar trout]

is there any benefit to doing AA cargo with a group?

[grand shuttle]

you share event points 100%

but if you mostly want the money, its not worth it

[pulsar trout]

oh shit i didnt notice that

[grand shuttle]

thats why people are doing the huge mega groups for the event, it makes the grind far easier

[astral leaf]

It’s definitely tricky but possible. What I found easiest was to get it kind of wedged, then get underneath it and pull it down.

[astral leaf]

Also do NOT ignore Player wrecks. Especially newer ships. I got a full suite of Military A S2’s off a wreck of a Hermes

[grand shuttle]

NPC ship contracts seem to always be in stock config

some of those stock configs will have military c comps

or sometimes better, depending on the ship

[astral leaf]

Correct. IMO those are just there to teach you how to Salvage.

The real fun is finding player wrecks.

And they are working on a system to have player wrecks automatically spawn salvaging contracts

[jovial matrix]

That would be so cool

Have they forbidden the salvation from using anything other than cinches yet, like they said they would?

[astral leaf]

Not that I’m aware of

I think it can use any S1 head

But then again I use a Reclaimer so I don’t know

[young elm]

Whenever I do find random ships around they always have the power on and i have issues breaking into them to turn it off lol

i guess i just need to shoot doors open etc?

[astral leaf]

Correct! Most exterior ship doors only require 2 mags from most weapons to open, however there are some caveats to this. One is the Polaris. Its exterior docking doors take a TON of mags, like 10 or more, to get through.

The other one is sometimes ship doors can be at 0% health and stuck closed. In these instances, you can sometimes use a repair tool to repair them, and then open them. However, most of the time you just have to look for another door.

Elevators however, are a little weird. You can shoot them open by shooting them down to 0% but then you need to repair them to get them to move upwards.

That’s the cool part of being a “Type 3” salvager, someone who only really goes after player ships to salvage, every ship presents itself as a little puzzle to solve on how to get inside and turn off. ESPECIALLY ships that might be on a planet, upside down etc.

[regal tide]

I just thought of a perfect automated cargo system they can Implement it would be a freight Cargo grid where you activate an entire tractor beam that emanates from the entire circumference of the cargo grid so all you do is you take your cargo and throw it into the beam and it automatically places it onto the grid instantly

[young elm]

This is cool, thanks for this info

[astral leaf]

Np! Salvaging is my primary profession!

[delicate girder]

Haven't started the "Clearing the Air" thing yet. When it it done? Is it worth it?

[spare cloud]

Pretty nice permanent rewards. It's running for all of 4.6.

[delicate girder]

Thought those were guns as a reward on the defense part but then I read in spectrum that is was a skin for some guns. I didn't even know that was a thing.

[spare cloud]

It isn't a skin. They likely just got confused cause the M series weapons got a reworked looks.

Only the size 1-3 for now.

[delicate girder]

So are those cannons a new type of cannon or just a reskinned Behring?

Hmmm, too bad the skin for the Apollos don't work on the Hermes! As far as I've heard at least. I'll probably have a Hermes soon but not an Apollo.

[spare cloud]

They don't.

[delicate girder]

Would be nice if CIG included the skin for the Hermes in that.

Oh, so you don't get the fabricator unless you complete the whole thing? Guess that's the grand prise.

[spare cloud]

You don't have to 100% everything, you can also 300% one thing only.

[delicate girder]

Ah, ok

Well I hope 4.6 stays for at least three more weeks then.

[quaint beacon]

I GOT Transport 21k points Collections 22k points Defense 32k points and total is 76k points and still dot get the last reward

[spare cloud]

Is it in your hangar on the website ?

[quaint beacon]

no

got all relards only the 100% one its no there persius paint and fabricator and med pistol

[young elm]

does refining cmat produce silicon? Trying to work out why i suddenly have 2000scu of silicon in storage

[spare cloud]

Refining CMAT rubble/scrap or whatever produces CMAT.

[young elm]

weird

[winter dove]

Still kinda sad they gave us 2 Apollo skins rather than 1 Apollo and 1 Hermes

(or you know... the skins being useable on both)

[raven fjord]

How do you remove inert materials from ore pods??

[near swallow]

Sell it at the terminals to the left of the refinery terminals.

[raven fjord]

Amazing thank you

[near swallow]

Because of the change on how refinery jobs work, you can also now make individual mining jobs for each ore you mined, reducing the overall time it'll take. Any ores you don't refine will stay in the bags, just like inert materials, and can be refined in separate orders. (Just give the game a moment to update the ship/bags after starting an order.)

[hidden garden]

Does the salvation gather faster than the fortune?

[grand shuttle]

Speed modifier is 10x on the salvation, compared to 9.6 on the fortune, but the fortune has a bigger diameter bonus. They are fairly comparable though.
The real difference is going to be the cargo grid and buffer difference though, salvation is going to fill up and rtb much quicker.

[hidden garden]

If with a mothership which would be preferable?

[digital knot]

I rlly wanna get a capital ship(with auec) which ship that is currently available is the most profitable

[keen garden]

Depends on the mothership I’d think, on an idris you can fit a fortune pretty easily, multiple even, and less trips = more boxes per hour

890J also works for that

For anything smaller… the salvation would be the only option

But generally using a carrier just adds time landing/taking off and running through the carrier to get to the cockpit

Best to just run the fortune or vulture directly and offload at the destination

[hidden garden]

I am using a polaris

[keen garden]

Not sure if fortune will fit in that, maybe with the hangar door locked open?

[hidden garden]

what I am doing is doing one of the salvage claims for a big ship and scraping it then unloading into the polaris

[hidden garden]

it can fit 2 and close

I was just scraping an a2 and it felt like it took a long time so was wondering if the salvation would have performed better

[keen garden]

Not by much, if at all

For that size ship the reclaimer is king for scraping

[hidden garden]

fair enough. I just didnt want to unload a reclaimer

[keen garden]

Technically… you can fit a salvation in a reclaimer

[hidden garden]

If I had it I'd be using a moth and munching things

[grand shuttle]

The only capitalship available for auec right now is the Reclaimer

[grand shuttle]

You can skip unloading the reclaimer, it can dock/store and refine or sell from grid.

Its just that most of its storage space isn't on-grid, but it does have a lot of even on-grid.

[digital knot]

Isn’t the 890 jump available too?

[grand shuttle]

Er, I forgot about that one. That doesn't really have a profitable game loop associated with it. Its a yacht.

I suppose theres the carrack too

[keen garden]

I mean… it’s certainly capital sized

(Not the carrack)

[hidden garden]

I have acquired a reclaimer

[digital knot]

I thought that was just large

[spare cloud]

It is.

[grand shuttle]

I stand corrected

[simple cape]

I want to go mine space rocks, but first I need to fix why my PC dies everytime I go into QT.

[subtle comet]

what makes a rock impossible to crack and can mining gadgets change that?

[keen garden]

The mass + resistance + instability vs active laser, and yes gadgets can change it

And… impossible doesn’t always mean you can’t break it with your current setup

Generally means you are either right at the edge of being able to move the bar, or can’t move the bar

If using active gadgets, they aren’t taken into account unless they are active

[rough haven]

would Salvation with Abrades be the goto for uber fast RMC?

[grand shuttle]

Fairly sure vulture or fortune would be faster because their heads cover more area

[long warren]

Hey y'all, I have 2m in credits and am wondering what my move should be to start snowballing some funds. I rented a vulture but have found salvaging to be less profitable than I'd like (unless I'm missing something). Should I save up for a raft and do hauling? Get a better fighter and do some bounty hunting?

I've got the Avenger Titan from my starter, eventually I'd like an Asgard to daily drive as I appreciate the versatility.

I really enjoyed the salvaging loop btw, I just need to have solid ship besides the vulture to go alongside it, should I end up buying one. I was thinking about getting a salvation to put in the Asgard later on.

[spare cloud]

How much SCU of RMC and CMAT were you making before going back to TDD/refinery ?
Vulture can fit 39 SCUs.

[grand shuttle]

You can rent a raft on lorville

[long warren]

I was fitting 39 exactly, selling for about 230k

[grand shuttle]

Also, where did you rent a vulture btw?

[long warren]

Teach's. my vulture rental ends today, wondering if I should re-rent, rent a different ship, or try something new

[keen garden]

Do you want to stick with industrial?

I ask because… there’s an fps mission that can give you 677k per completion, do it in a team of two and you can pretty easily do two an hour, then sell the rcmbnt’s it also gives you on the player market

[grand shuttle]

teachs vulture swaps the abrade for trawlers

abrades will be slower but get you more rmc per ship scraped

[keen garden]

Mining is more $$ per hour than salvage, but unless you dip into the player market you will be kinda capped. Right now quant mining is the only industrial loop that produces player market goods

[long warren]

I would like to have a solid solo industrial loop before jumping in on stuff that depends on the player market personally- just something to unwind with after work.

[keen garden]

Mining will be king next patch

[grand shuttle]

teach's fortune has an abrade and might be more money/hour

[keen garden]

But it’ll be player market driven

[spare cloud]

Takes 30min solo.

[grand shuttle]

also swing based on quality.

[long warren]

Good to know about the abrades, i knew the trawlers were less efficient but i did like being able to hit several ships much faster, just for fun factor

[keen garden]

Abrade def the way to go

[grand shuttle]

is that the 890j boarding mission?

[keen garden]

Hyperion, in onyx

[spare cloud]

Jorrit Dossier, Hyperion.

[keen garden]

Not industrial at all

[long warren]

Maybe the question I am really asking, is should I focus on buying and optimizing a vulture, or should I save up and do some hauling missions instead?

[spare cloud]

Do what you enjoy.

[grand shuttle]

hauling missions are probably about comparable for money over time, so you def want to do what you enjoy

[keen garden]

Imo, get a ship to support each of them

If you want to get serious about salvage, eventually you will need a cargo ship

This is true of mining too

[long warren]

Too broke for that, just wondering which I should do first lol. And yes that's what I'm thinking for end goal. Caterpillar + Salvation sounds amazing to me, but not doable with my 2m

[keen garden]

Raft is solid, and fairly affordable at just over 3 mil

[grand shuttle]

raft is rentable in lorville, and pays for its rental on first mission

[keen garden]

Just keep doing what you’re doing and make another mil

[long warren]

But if the cash difference between salvage and hauling is negligible, I think I would buy a vulture next

[spare cloud]

Don't think the Salvation fits in the Cat.

[keen garden]

Don’t think so either

Not without shenanigans

[grand shuttle]

do not, under any circumstances buy a drake caterpillar. that ship is horrible.

[spare cloud]

Or barely enough

Looks nice but damn it's bad

[keen garden]

An m50 can if you cut off its wings and are happy with it constantly bouncing around

[grand shuttle]

if you want to see why first hand, theres an alliance aid mission where you can borrow/rescue/steal one.

[keen garden]

Caterpillar is just old

It desperately needs a redesign

[grand shuttle]

in this case old means all the cargo compartments are badly designed for physical cargo, and its flight model wasn't designed with it being loaded in mind. so you have to take off at full afterburner. Its interior is also a dozen tiny claustrophobic compartments.

[spare cloud]

I was glad I didn't have to go through the elevator and find my way to the cockpit in the supply or die event

Just EVA directly on the catwalk, cockpit first door to the right.

The rear part of this ship and the Starfarer are comparable. Fucking maze.

[long warren]

Okay! I think that settles it all. Vulture > Asgard > Salvation will be my plan moving forward

[keen garden]

Asgard is a great multirole ship

[long warren]

Thanks yall for the help, this does feel like the right move for me

[keen garden]

More or less a bigger cutty

[spare cloud]

-# consider a Hercules as your mothership for operations with Salvation. Or better yet, Polaris/Idris to pair with Vulture/Fortune.

Vulture is a bitch to fit in the 890J.

[long warren]

I think those are excellent stretch goals. This just instills confidence that I'm good to start investing in a vulture, I think

Mother ship gameplay is so gonna be my jam eventually haha

[grand shuttle]

I mean, salvation also fits in the corsair, not sure how much romo that leaves for cargo tho

[keen garden]

I probably wouldn’t build my fleet around carrying around a salvation for myself, the problem you run into is moving lots of small boxes sucks

[spare cloud]

This fr. And if you use auto loading, a lot of small boxes cuts the costs a lot

[keen garden]

If you are getting to the point where you are doing sessions long and productive enough to justify a carrier for your rmc or cmats, its probably time to buy a bigger salvage ship

[long warren]

I mean I'd love a MOTH but that's a whole other can of worms, beyond even just being bugged

[keen garden]

Right now the reclaimer is the only bigger one, but the moth will be buyable in game in the next 6-8 months

[long warren]

Should I be considering the reclaimer for solo use? I actually haven't looked into it yet

[keen garden]

I think it’s fine solo, some people hate it

Maybe borrow one before you spend the aUEC

I run it solo, with 2 people, and with 3 people

Def more fun with more people

[long warren]

Okay! I'll take a look and weigh the cost. Having less 1scu crates does sound very appealing lol

[keen garden]

We’ve done larger scale ops with fortunes before, 8-10 of them unloading in an idris, and it’s the 1scu boxes that make it rough

Having to move 100s of boxes into storage at the end of the night

[random patrol]

Moth is life

[spare cloud]

Really wish containers would snap to each other anytime rather than just on grid, and that we'd be able to carry a cluster of them with tractor beams.

[keen garden]

We need a metal band tool

So we can take a group of boxes and make them one movable object

[hidden garden]

the reclaimer has a scraper and tractor beam right?

[shell finch]

is it possible to reattach modules in the field if they got knocked off my laser

[subtle comet]

is there a way to offload raw ore to station without removing bags

[shell finch]

store the ship

then got to the refinery terminal and select the ship as the location

[subtle comet]

raw ore

[shell finch]

yeah. just send your ship down the elevator. then go to the refinery terminal. unless you just want to store it and not refine it?

[subtle comet]

yes, raw ore. not refined. I want to store it then transport it to be refined elsewhere

[shell finch]

no clue. might be easier to just go to the place you want to refine to begin with

[hidden garden]

like take the bags off?

[grand shuttle]

by default both salvage turrets have a trawler and a tractor. Id recommend maybe keeping one tractor and swapping the a trawler and one tractor for abrades.

at least with the vulture having more than one tractor on a target is fairly likely to cause a crash to desktop

[hidden garden]

are those the seats behind the claw operator?

[grand shuttle]

yes, those control salvage turrets.

control screens in the room with the elevator control the remote weapon turrets.

[hidden garden]

weird, it wasnt let me get in those

[grand shuttle]

you can get in, but you have to find the terminal power button and turn them on

2 are weapon turrets 2 are scanner terminals that don't function

[hidden garden]

I was too close the pop up was behind me. I need to remember it's an old ship with those little floating popups and not on the seats

[grand shuttle]

yes, thats annoying af

[hidden garden]

same thing with the elevators outside

[spare cloud]

Refine from ship, or detach bag. No other option.

[grand shuttle]

its a fun ship once you get used to all the quirks

you can attach the bags to a cargo ship and store that, that works too, but the ore is in the bags.

[hidden garden]

do you think it's better solo than moth

[grand shuttle]

debatable, but it has the huge benefit that it actually works mostly and doesnt cost real money

its at least rougly comparable

if you are scraping its 100% better since you know, that doesnt really work on the moth.

[hidden garden]

im just munching

[grand shuttle]

it does have an advantage there int hat its buffer is 240 scu and it can crunch any ship size

but the way its not pilot controlled can be frustrating, you have to swap seats to chase drifting parts down sometimes.

it also doesnt auto print so you have to move crats, but it can print 32 scu at once in 2 16-scu crates

[hidden garden]

would be neat if it had a tractor beam I could remote into and move the printed cubes with

even if it didnt get auto print

[grand shuttle]

nope, but theres def enough room to get an ATLS into it

[hidden garden]

oh god the cargo grid sucks

I see why people say it can hold so much off grid

can't wait to get my reclaimer chain so I can stop at the moth until this thing gets touched up

[hoary monolith]

is there a known bug where cargo deliveries complete, but don't pay out?

[pearl juniper]

no, they broke off because they are damaged. As far as I know they are done and the only way to get them back is to repair or claim the ship.

[subtle comet]

any way to improve the delay between looking at a rock and scanning it?

[grand shuttle]

thats entirely server based, unfortunately.

[keen garden]

I think the reclaimer can beat the moth at crunching, if you maximize your per trip cargo

Aka, fill the grid in the processing area with 16 scu boxes, then print 100 more of them and fill the hopper before you return to checkmate or orbituary to unload

Or levski

Refine at levski then you’ll need to load up the result on a hauler to take it to hur l4 etc, maybe even wait till you’ve done it twice to visit hur l4 to maximize profit

Why do industrial mission turnins have cooldowns...

like, i can collect more fynmaline than these missions will let me turn in in the amount of time i have to wait between missions

including travel to and from pyro

[mild lantern]

Something I've wanted CIG to do with mining is not focus too much on danger to yourself and your ship, but to your rewards. An example is ore that is enclosed in ''impossible'' rocks your ship cannot mine. With salvage you can still DO something to ships you cannot break down. A Salvation can still scrape a C2 even if there's no chance it could break the wreck up.

So as an example, I'd like CIG to have some sort of function of mining ships that allows each tier of mining ship the capability to ''do'' something with rocks they cannot break.

[keen garden]

There are ways to sort or… extend, what your ship is capable of breaking, at a significant risk to the output you’ll get from the rock

[mild lantern]

A Salvation can't get the really valuable good stuff achieved from breaking a ship apart and melting it down - let Prospectors, Moles and Golems do ''something'' to rocks they cannot break

[keen garden]

But it’s certainly also fair, to see the rock being so explosive when that happens that it pretty much guarantees your prospector is toast as a bit too much

[mild lantern]

Let's say, ''harvest'' the surface of an impossible rock for example

Sure, the ship cannot break the rock up because, by design, it's impossible

[keen garden]

Eh, well what I mean is impossible isn’t actually a rule

[mild lantern]

But let us do SOMETHING to it so we get something from it before moving on

[keen garden]

Like, you can throw a sabir on it and use two surges to push beyond

[mild lantern]

We can't get all the good ore out of it, but at least let us get something from it

[keen garden]

But in doing so you may lose some of the rock because you’re probably going to overcharge it

Take this rock for example

[mild lantern]

So if I found a really good Haephestanite rock in a Golem, but I cannot break it up because it's too big - let us sort of... ''scrape'' the surface of the rock to gain a small portion of the ore from it

[keen garden]

That has like, 78ish quant on it yea?

Ballpark

Maybe 75

[mild lantern]

So instead of seeing an impossible rock and being SOL and just moving on, give us gameplay around impossible rocks, even if the gain is very minor

[keen garden]

I cracked it in a mole with just a hair wide green zone, I still got away with 50+ quant, even though it was an “impossible” rock

[mild lantern]

Impossible rocks are gameplay your simply denied

[keen garden]

That’s not true

[mild lantern]

It is true

[keen garden]

Impossible/challenging/medium/easy are just estimations

[mild lantern]

But anyway, thanks for listening

[keen garden]

Based on your equipped modules and the attached gadget, even at impossible, with the right amount of instability, you can sometimes still get the green bar to move in your favor

If what I’m being told of the crafting test moves forward to live as is, mining is going to get quite a bit simpler

In terms of breaking rocks specifically

[spare cloud]

It isn't.

[long frost]

I got tons of "impossible" rocks in the past which can be cracked with the right equipment/gadgets

[craggy tapir]

i use the sweet spots

got my golem to break a 124scu impossible rock

[long frost]

That's pretty sick

[craggy tapir]

but all the quant pieces were like 2scu and 26scu inert

so i only got around 3scu raw quant...

[spare cloud]

Just get a Hercules with 40 ore bags and fill them all with 0.01 SCU of quant each, ez 40 SCU of quant when refining with the rounding up

[rich berry]

Dont the bags explode ?

[spare cloud]

After 25 minutes, yes.

You'll need a crew to abuse this efficiently.

[solemn lance]

Hey Guys what Happend if i store a Hull C in Hangar with full Cargo?

[brazen glen]

You can't get the landing gear down with the spindles out. You'll need to dock it

But I wouldn't store it full of cargo

[solemn lance]

I Can Store it from Docking Port

i Just to try find a Workoraund because Hailing Cargo Bay dont work

[brazen glen]

Yeah the hull c can be a pita

[solemn lance]

Yeah

Well i can Retracted my Ship with Full Cargo so maybe when i store it in Hangar its stays on my Ship

[solemn lance]

Well its actually worked

well almost

i still need to go to cargo bay

when i call my Ship its comes to Large Hangar and explodes

[hidden garden]

Man I really need to test the salvation abrades vs fortune abrades

[next idol]

Isn’t salvation only one of the small ones? Can’t remember the name, or it was a bug that you could not change it?

[spare cloud]

You can always swap the scraper modules.

[hidden garden]

You can change them. I am using abrades

[hidden garden]

@spare cloud do you solo the mole?

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[hidden garden]

How would you set up the 3 lasers?

[spare cloud]

Helix[2xRieger-C3+Surge]
Impact[3xFLTR-XL]
and that's really all you need, covers the whole range.

You can have a 2nd Helix for a friend, or if you're unhinged, you can get a Hofstede[2xFocus] to do hand/ROC mining

[hidden garden]

Isn't in atmo mining rough for the solo mole?

[spare cloud]

It's harder, but you can find angles to land it and mine.

[grand shuttle]

Why would you pick an impact over a hofstead?

[spare cloud]

Cause you don't need to go as low power as Hofstede, Impact already is low power enough to crack any small rock without being too powerful, and you have 3 slots for modules of your choice. Mine are filtering modules

I don't need larger green zone, don't need faster green charge, don't need extraction speed, I just take filtering modules so if there's bad cracks I can still get the good ore in it without being annoyed my inert materials.
-83% inert materials is cool.

[grand shuttle]

ah, didnt realize impact s2 only had 2 slots

[hoary monolith]

can the MOLE carry a ATLS GEO? that might be a better option for someone who wanted to do hand/vehicle mining

[spare cloud]

Nah

[hidden garden]

A shame

[random patrol]

Moth does

[hidden garden]

[grand shuttle]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-4-6-live-hotfix-central
mentions client side fixes. crossing my fingers for moth scrape fix

[limpid sluice]

Sweet summer child, why would they hide fixing the moth?

Undisclosed likely means some kind of cheat/exploit being fixed

[grand shuttle]

fair, /sigh

[young elm]

anyone ever tried outfitting a reclaimer with all distortion weapons

so if anyone gets close they get shut down and then you can just eat them with the claw

[grand shuttle]

distortion weapons are 100% stopped by shields

[random patrol]

You should try it out and let us know how it goes.

[jovial matrix]

What this person said, if they have shields up you won't do anything to them

[snow flare]

what is a good loadout for the prospector these days?

[spare cloud]

Helix, Rieger-C3 Surge or dual Surge.

[keen garden]

hofstead reiger or focus if you are pair mining and they have a helix

[snow flare]

i wa gonna say the last time i mined, it was the Hofstead? so thats still better then a helix solo?

[keen garden]

Solo id use a helix

just too limited when you don’t have one

[snow flare]

ok glad i asked!

[keen garden]

Keep sabirs handy

Helix can be rough on green zone size

[snow flare]

will do!

[weak gate]

how do i spawn the hull c with cargo on a dock

[keen garden]

i don't think you can

could summon it in the hangar and just hope the kraken isn't hungry

[weak gate]

tried that, doesnt work

it just gets stuck

[keen garden]

did it bring it up with the spindles open?

or was the ship itself in the pad

[weak gate]

spindles open

[hidden garden]

I'm hungry

[grand shuttle]

always, always compress the hull-c before storing. it always gets summoned to a large dock extended if you don't. such a stupid bug. should just make it spawn at a docking port if it was stored from one.

[weak gate]

I can't compress it when it has cargo

[grand shuttle]

dont store it when it has cargo

[weak gate]

But when I don't store it the inventory doesn't show up on the commodity terminal

So I can't sell

[grand shuttle]

are you at a station with an exterior cargo elevator?

[weak gate]

Yes

[grand shuttle]

then you should ( assuming server is liking you atm ) , call the cargo atc and unload that way.

[weak gate]

I try to call cargo atc before I dock but I get no response

[grand shuttle]

what station is it?

Is it tressler?

[weak gate]

I've tried seraphim and baijjin point

[weak gate]

No

[grand shuttle]

sometimes it acts like theres a queue if theres other hull c unloading, but doesnt tell you.

You can try ending the open comm channel and calling again and hopefully it gives you a slot eventually.

[weak gate]

Ok

[weak gate]

my ship is stuck in auto dock

i hate this game

nothin works

paid 70 dollars for a buggy mess

[grand shuttle]

I mean, eventually its going to explode and you can claim it.

hull c is very buggy, unfortunately. When it works its basically zero effort to print money

[weak gate]

dude ive been trying just to do a singe trade with the hull c for like 10 hours since yesterday

ive lost 20 million in total

[grand shuttle]

I mean, you stored it right?

[weak gate]

no

[grand shuttle]

Didn't the cargo show up for you to sell?

[weak gate]

i couldnt leave the ship

ive tried like 10 times to do a trade, ive lost a ton of cargo, i go to try to do what you suggested, which was to call cargo atc before selling, and when i go to buy the cargo to sell, it gets stuch in autodock and i cant leave or do anything, i just rage quit

this game would be a 10/10 if it just worked

and i just bought the game after having a blast during the freefly

[grand shuttle]

hull-c is one of the like top 5 buggiest ships in the game, sorry.

[weak gate]

Not ur fault, the hull c is such a cool ship, I love hauling cargo, just wish the game would let me do it

Hopefully the devs see this and fix it

[grand shuttle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1jtlyfp/hull_c_hints_and_tips_cargo_hauling/ <-- some useful tips

[weak gate]

Ty man, I'll check it out, I appreciate it

[regal tide]

what happened to the camera view?

[keen garden]

?

[spare cloud]

What about it ?

[regal tide]

I fixed it was very close up in 3rd person view

[hidden garden]

so helix for cracking and impact for collecting?

[spare cloud]

Helix to crack large/medium rocks, and Impact to crack when Helix's too powerful.
And don't need to switch to Impact to collect if there's no inert materials to filter.

[near swallow]

I have all three lasers on my Mole setup for use. Helix II + Rieger-C3 x2 + Focus III in front, Helix II + Rieger-C3 x3 on the left, Hofstede-S2 + Rieger-C3 + Focus III on the right.

[spare cloud]

I don't get why people give power mods to a Hofstede.

Or green zone mods.

Like the head is challenging to use.

[keen garden]

I put a focus on it because I’m not always the one operating it

Same for the impact, I don’t need more power out of either side laser so both get a focus and a torrent to just make cleaning up sub cracks more comfortable, then only target the largest rocks and crack them all with the helix up front

Place a sabir, crack with helix, backup 20 meters, clean up witu hofstead

[near swallow]

So I can use it on more rocks and not have to use the Helix II's with their annoyingly short range and small optimal windows

And gadgets are annoying when you're mining on a moon, as I often am, because it means you have land, go use the gadget, come back, take off, and get into position again

And even with a Focus III, sometimes the optimal windows are annoyingly small

[royal spear]

Gadgets are annoying. No extra context necessary.. Idk if they fixed them in 4.6 but they were basically unusable for me last patch.

[near swallow]

From what I saw on a stream today, not entirely fixed, but they can be used

With my setup though, I don't need to use gadgets much.

[royal spear]

I've been known to larp around in SC because I can't take doing any industrial work seriously with rampant auec floating around for the most basic of things and buying out all ship shops with auec already but holy shit did I really get to the point of wanting to helix my own dick off rather than use gadgets..

[near swallow]

Might try Okunis with my Super Helix though.

One of the other issues was that when I started mining, I would only have been able to carry around 2 or 3 gadgets. Now you can carry more thanks to much bigger backpacks.

[uncut sleet]

anyone got a proper list of minerals with their prices per SCU, i have no idea what is worth mining and what isnt and the ones i saw on the internet are incredibly confusing, additionally which modifications should i get for my moth, mining wise

[spare cloud]

MOTH, mining wise ? That's the MOLE.

[uncut sleet]

oh yes mb

[spare cloud]

Use !regolith and uexcorp.space for mining loadouts, best refineries and ore prices.

[jolly dagger]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[uncut sleet]

i keep getting them mixed up

[keen garden]

You can load a Pembroke backpack with gadgets and tractor it into a prospector, or for the mole just use a storall

Xtra storage for all your tools

[spare cloud]

Do not keep your gadget attached below the backpack in a MOLE

If you over charge the rock, rip gadget.

[weak gate]

question, is commodity trading with the hull c just straight up impossible, ive tried countless methods and workarounds and none of them have worked, havent been able to sell anything

[keen garden]

unloading manually should work, so not totally impossible

auto load/unload is hit or miss, mostly miss

[worthy matrix]

I need help fast. I need info on what mineables are FPS and what are Surface gems? are the seperate or are all surface gems found in caves and vice versa?

[spare cloud]

!regolith ⬇️

[jolly dagger]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[worthy matrix]

I looked there i couldnt find anytrhing on if something was only in caves or not

[spare cloud]

There's literally a page that's ROC/FPS (gems) so everything else is ship mineable.

Janalite is cave only. Rest isn't afaik.

[worthy matrix]

alright thank you

[keen garden]

my fav for a good mix of aphorite/dolo/hadonite is wala, but there's probably better places in pyro since it has bigger deposites

[cerulean dove]

Is there a way to tell if a FE at a shubin facility will eat your cargo?

[simple cape]

Ask the FE butler. He might say the FE hasn't had breakfast today.

[keen garden]

just assume it will because half the contracts fail atm

[long frost]

That made me remember that the atls or geo has a gadget attachment slot at the backpack side

[next idol]

I kinda want to get into mining but I dont really like any of the ships currently for that

[hidden garden]

Solo mole go brrr

[spare cloud]

Buy an Arrastra already

[next idol]

I want the orion

[spare cloud]

Get both

[random patrol]

If you havent "got into mining" how do you know what you dont like?

[next idol]

im a very vibe guy fiest and then gameplay xD

[elfin rune]

Good question

[next idol]

the reclaimer sold me on salvage for example

[elfin rune]

I actually enjoyed last mining trip with the geo

Its a cool toy

[random patrol]

IMO I have more fun salvaging in the Moth.....I mean I like the Reclaimer....but dragging it out is such a PITA.

Even though the moth is "broken"....

[elfin rune]

Ill hit it hard when the King gets a fix

And a good fix, not some workaround mess

Btw can the moth handle 32scu containers?

[random patrol]

no

wait

maybe lol

no

[elfin rune]

[random patrol]

24 max

[hidden garden]

Why over the arrastra?

[keen garden]

I want a ship that doesn’t exist and may be nothing like it was actually described

[spare cloud]

Printer does 8 SCU boxes. Grid up to 24 SCU boxes.

[next idol]

I like big ships, im not evercompensating

I just like the looks of it tbh

[keen garden]

mole is fine, anything bigger than the mole is going to need a new best source of rocks to crack because it’s gonna be too cumbersome to move around quickly in atmo. Which, tbf, I’ve seen mention of that maybe being a thing, aka bigger asteroids, but… iunno. I’m sure arrastra will be fine and they’ll eventually add rocks big enough to justify it existing,

[next idol]

yeah I think so

the game needs big ass asteroids

[keen garden]

asteroids right now are pretty bad for mining compared to pyro surface clusters

[next idol]

I mean even for salvage the sources are meh, so many ships abandoned and there is no system for players to clean them

[keen garden]

Imo Stanton should stay like it is, and nyx should have bigger asteroids/clusters

[next idol]

maybe we will get them bit by bit when they finish the system

[keen garden]

Nyx for asteroid clusters, pyro for surface, Stanton for all round but not great at any

[next idol]

yeah

[keen garden]

I just don’t think bigger ships makes mining any more interesting

The only reason I use a mole is because there’s rocks the prospector can’t break. When they release a bigger ship and bigger rocks I’ll just move up a ship tier

It’s not an interesting choice, it’s just what’s best

[elfin rune]

Thank you

[keen garden]

Like since I have a reclaimer I never scrape with a ship smaller than it, it’s just not worth the time

I can get far more scraping with the reclaimer

Hauling… doesn’t have this issue as bad, but only because contract payouts don’t scale enough as you go up to counter the increased time handling boxes

[hidden garden]

Small ships are neat, but I like less trips

Except my combat ships are the smallest as I only use the arrow when solo

[keen garden]

I want a manned ship turret that’s just the top half of an atls

[warm lava]

Hey Could i get some advise from you guys i'm debating between Golem And the Prospector which one do you think should get

[keen garden]

Prospector is more capable and customizable

[spare cloud]

If you want to pair them with motherships, the Golem fits in Asgard/Hercules, while the Prospector needs 890J/Polaris/Idris. Whichever pair fits into your budget.

Without a mothership, Prosp hands down.

[random patrol]

Golem fits in a C2 also.

I dint see "hercules" in the reply

[keen garden]

In fact make all manned tractor turrets this

And place one on bith Sides of the cargo bay on both ends of the c2, tucked into the wall

[spare cloud]

"manned tractor turrets" :

• Taurus

Every other tractor turret is remote.

[grand trellis]

whats with mthe mining missions or even the priorety missions not finishing

[spare cloud]

Bugs.

[grand trellis]

damn

[keen garden]

make moar

[bronze dirge]

Is there a ship that can carry a small miner and salvager? I like the idea of being a nomadic industrialist only coming into port when it’s time to refine, sell, and restock supplies

Or even a ground miner and a salvation reliably

[next idol]

I think the C2 can

[tired meteor]

C2 can do the golem

[bronze dirge]

just one, or you think I can get both in there and still have room for a Nursa?

[tired meteor]

both? Nursa?

oh

[bronze dirge]

Planning my Longterm Goal until the Ironside is out for UEC or I have the cash to swear.

I was thinking a Prospector and a Fortune

[tired meteor]

idk if any of the salvage ships fit thu the door

and prospecter is to large

[bronze dirge]

is the golem the small one?

[tired meteor]

yea

[bronze dirge]

My mistake. Salvation should fit too then, its pretty small.

Nursa is the ground vehicle with the med bed

[tired meteor]

you could try but that ship is bigger then the golem

ohh that car

[bronze dirge]

Ursa Medivac if we are using its government name lol

[tired meteor]

hmmm i think your right

[bronze dirge]

Sweet

[tired meteor]

you will lose about 60% of cargo space and sorting space but you should beable to fit them in with some carefull flying

[bronze dirge]

awesome, I can manage that I think

[near swallow]

C2, and 890J. Though the 890J right now likes to blow up ships that you put in the hangar at times. Putting the ships sideways on the hangar might possibly keep them from being blown up, but not totally sure. But I've seen a Salvation, Golem, and Golem Ox go down on the hangar elevator intact despite how buggy the 890J hangar is right now.

[bronze dirge]

Thanks!

[spare cloud]

You will need Polaris or Idris to fit both Prospector and Fortune.
C2 can take both Salvation and Golem.

890J can fit one or the other of Prospector and Fortune.

C2 can fit none of these two.

[shut elbow]

the only way to get a mining laser out of a stor*all is using the freight elevator and warehouse right? doesnt seem to allow to drop the mining laser from box, nor put in hands, nor drag over into personal inventory.

[spare cloud]

Freight elevator or storage terminal, same thing.

[still sleet]

Anyone know if the ROC mining laser is still misaligned?

[shut elbow]

it is misaligned (or it was 2 days ago)

[still sleet]

Damn. Thank you.

[bronze dirge]

thank you!

running off an Idris as an idustrial base would be cool, but I doubt I could convince someone to help me grind one out. Or maybe even 'gift' me one as salvage

[keen garden]

eh

Cool, yes

[bronze dirge]

i know it wouldnt be practical

[keen garden]

Actually found it quite effective for a geo mining night

Was expecting it to be slow and cumbersome to use on ignis… but… it really wasn’t

Loaded it with a roc ds and a bunch of geos

Admittedly there’s smaller faster ships that woulda worked just as well, like an Asgard

This is specific to pyro ground vehicle mining tho

Deposits in Stanton are only big enough to justify a cutty sized ship and 1-2 people

[tired meteor]

strange The only time I've had my 890 destroy my guardian MX was when telling the elevator to go up and the elevator door not opening

[keen garden]

I’ve seen it eat a scorp while closing

Doors didn’t start closing till the elevator was all the way down, but it purpled anyway

[tired meteor]

tbf The scorpion is a larger craft lengthwise

you probably want to land that with the elevator down & the door open

[rough haven]

which is the current best-in-class base ship for these types of operations? Polaris, C2 or something else? (Lets assuming just salvage so I dont have to deal with swapping bags.)

[keen garden]

Eh, it’s best to not use a cargo ship solo

But if you’re gonna use one, probably the c2?

[tired meteor]

polaris is nice but stations cant detect cargo from its hold

for refinement

[steady swallow]

I have noticed that it is nice for Refinement from the Reclaimer for CM BUT be carefull because once refineing is done , even though it does see the reclaimer to put the refined CM in it Do NOT for each time i have experimented the CM dissappears..litteraly. So just put the refine CM in the inventory of the station. Untill CIG lets us be able to move the CM somehow manually into the Reclaimer one wil have to use a smaller ship for now.

[grand trellis]

if i min quantinium and i put the bags with the quant in a ship and swap the bags out will the quant filled bags blow up or how will it work

[spare cloud]

Timer is on the bags. 25min. Paused when ship is stored or bags are sent down the freight elevator.

[grand trellis]

alright noted so when i do a massive mining run with an c2 full of ore bags dont pick up quant

[elfin rune]

Or pick a bunch of quant and run

[near swallow]

If you see quant, you could mine it, take it straight to the refinery, come back, make sure your other ship is still there, and go back to mining.

[rough haven]

is quant really that much more valuable than other resources?

[keen garden]

It’s like a million times more valuable

If not 100m

To the TDD, quant is worth 80k ish iirc? But on the player market it’s 24 scu per Polaris bit

[grand shuttle]

Its used for the polaris wikelo trade ins so players will pay massive amounts for it.

Whats more fun mostly-solo, c2/golem mothershipping or mole?

[random patrol]

Ive done the golem/c2 in the arron halo....IMO its peaceful

[solid finch]

Is there any good guide for efficient hauling? I kinda need one

[regal tide]

Would be nice if we didnt have to scan each individual Rock especially once it's cracked which takes up to a minute Plus at times one Global scan should tell what's in every single Rock it would make the mining profession a little bit more enjoyable

[rough haven]

buy low sell high 😛

[snow flare]

Are people using the golem more than the prospector these days? It kinda seems so. Why would that be? Since the prospector can change to more powerful heads ?

[spare cloud]

Golem is sold as a starter package, prospector isn't. That shifts the numbers already.
Also Golem can be paired with decently sized motherships, while the Prospector needs unreasonably sized ships to carry it.

[mild pumice]

what's ya'll fav cargo ships that arn't cargo ships? I think i found mine:

[snow flare]

The helix is the most powerfull head for the prospector right? But doesn’t the helix make the green window really small?

[snow flare]

Why ship is that

[mild pumice]

Persues

only pain is docking at a docking port :/

[snow flare]

lol

[mild pumice]

so i try to take contracts between cities/DCs etc places where you don't have to dock

I dunno if it's a recent thing, since the tethers don't break on the tractor beam anymore you get kinda elastic band effect if you turn really fast with boxes 😄

[next idol]

Is there a bug or something?

[mild pumice]

No it's just a tech limitation of the old ATC, it prioritises docking ports for ships that have functionality so Hull C, etc will always go for a docking port instead of a hangar when available, even at Orison when it's your residence

You have to store the Percy then call it to a hangar

I've tried using the external docking but my tractor beam didn't work due to armistice and there's not a ship tractor beam

[elfin rune]

Very small its relative, but yes the helix has the highest power

[snow flare]

i love the hermes Tractor beam...would you say the TB on the raft is , as good, better or worse?

[next idol]

I hateship tractor beams

[snow flare]

how do you all keep track of all your refinery orders? man it gets confusing if you are at a few..

[elder blaze]

Any tips for hauling and mining? Been playing for a week...got a c1 and ground miners

[mild pumice]

Surface mining is great on the moons around Pyro IV and for hauling in the C1 I recommend doing the local missions around Microtech/Hurston from the LEOs to DCs as you can stack a few at a time, you need Member Rank.

[keen garden]

regolith sessions

but also the game kinda tells you where you have complete orders every time you log in

[snow flare]

does the screen capture still wrok on that site? i tried it this week, and it wold not fill in any of the info for me

[keen garden]

it's never not worked for me

well, except for when i try to capture rock stats with white text over a mostly white background

[snow flare]

so then you jsut type it all in manually?

[keen garden]

i usually just spin the ship around till the text is on a more convenient background if possible

otherwise yea, type it in

on the dark side, turn lights off

[snow flare]

but dont you have to screen shot the refinery screen at the station?

[keen garden]

that or capture with the stream option

i always use the streaming option

[snow flare]

right..i was usimg tje stream option

but you have to be at the screen for that correct?

[keen garden]

not sure i understand the question'

the refinery work order needs to be on the last step before actually starting it

all materials you want refined selected, visible on screen, and the refine method selected and quote obtained

[snow flare]

i take mine, while standing in front of the work order kisot..you mentioned you "turn your ship" and i was confused, how are you in your ship taking a screen capture of the work order?

[keen garden]

you can scan rocks too,

they're submitted as scouting reports

that's the only time the scan doesn't work all the time for me, is what i meant

[snow flare]

ok ill google how to properly use, it..i may not be using it corect..ty~

[keen garden]

setting up the refinery orders always seem to work,

start order, select materials, select method, click get quote, then go to regolith and start capture

leave the target area alone, unless it's not big enough to get all the important bits

[snow flare]

my screen is just shows picture capture. do i have to acticate anyting for the streaming one?

[young elm]

hey guys would i make more money taking salvage contracts in pyro compared to stanton? (I'm in a reclaimer)

or nyx? if anyone has tested

[regal tide]

Watch out trying to turn in those Ore quest for the event it's been taking my ore but not completing the mission I have jumped 5 times to different servers all the same.

[pearl juniper]

Ore? Or refined materials? You have to refine it first.

[long frost]

can i spawn the golem at outposts?

[spare cloud]

No.

[long frost]

and...did they change the purchase place of surge modules to only levski?

[craggy tapir]

yes

found that out too today....

[elder nest]

What would be a good upgrade from using the Hull A for cargo hauling?

[spare cloud]

Hull-B

Soon™

[elder nest]

Lol I wish, I got my eye on it

[spare cloud]

In game now, RAFT, Hermes(pledge), Asgard(overpriced), Hercules.

[elder nest]

Hmm I have just enough for the RAFT.

Thanks Zorgh

[long frost]

big oof

[keen garden]

Contracts just aren’t completing consistently, it’s any contract not just that one. Eats the quest item, doesn’t complete

[pearl juniper]

yeah, I know that's also an issue, but he said "ore". If he really meant ore, then that's why his aren't completing, he's sending the wrong thing down.

[keen garden]

if it was the wrong item it wouldn’t have been deleting his “ore”

[pearl juniper]

but I suppose it wouldn't eat it though

yeah, just realized that

[dire crown]

I don’t think Asgard is overpriced if you buy it on secondary market though. $275 for that ship is fair and I think the best all-rounder in that range

[vagrant meadow]

is there any way to check how long a commodity sale is going to take after you sell?

[regal tide]

Refine materials it shows the mission complete in the Moby glass with the exact amount that it actually took but it doesn't officially complete the mission and you don't get the credit for the mission. this is happening globally to a lot of people right now and it's sort of a game breaker to this event

[spare cloud]

Lmao

I was talking about aUEC price to begin with, and even then, 350 or 275 is still overpriced.

Also GM, lol. Just chain it yourself.

[spare cloud]

Having used auto unloading you mean ?
It's a defined time per box of each size, so just gotta add all that together.
Tho I don't know of any resources that would've gathered those times 🤷

[simple lintel]

Guys, does the ATLS GEO has a buffer? I took out the box from the back and it still shows that is full. what am I doing wrong?

[spare cloud]

Don't fill the GEO boxes to 100%, it bugs them and you can't reuse them after emptying it.

You need a new container now.

[simple lintel]

thank you, have a good one

[lyric tusk]

Really wish CIG would redesign the Caterpillar to add multiple tractor beams to have one in each section of the cargo areas

[long frost]

Oh good to know, I mine gems from time to time

[delicate girder]

Anyone tried to do multiple planetary hauling contracts to the same location at the same time lately and only one of the complete even though all SCUs were delivered shown to count on the notification dialog?

[grizzled cradle]

Worked fine for me yesterday

[elfin rune]

Ocasional bug, compleded contracts doesnt finish

[keen garden]

unrealted to taking multiple to the same spot

just chance to happen with literally any contract

[elfin rune]

Theres any news around the moth fix? Were in march

[long frost]

I guess it's better to send contract by contract down in that case?

[keen garden]

I don’t think it really matters

It’s so random that you can’t really just assume the second won’t work because the first didn’t,

[crude wave]

Is there any mining contracts, not like hand mining but w golem or prospector

[mild pumice]

Not yet but it's something they plan to add.

[grand shuttle]

Nope. They haven't even directly confirmed how or if they are going to fix the scraping bug.

[limpid sluice]

The last update said the fixes were being scheduled for 4.7

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/moth-s-release-state-is-a-disaster/8659293

[grand shuttle]

Their actual response to the salvaging rate in that post was "The teams are currently reviewing the system."
They keep dodging the question and its really starting to sound like they are either not going to fix it or they refuse to admit its broken.

[limpid sluice]

Can't blame you for the pessimism, however acknowledging that they're looking into it at all is a lot more than most bugs get

I suspect 4.7 will probably be mid March, so probably got 1-2 more weeks wait

[keen garden]

Yes, check under the ship mining tab

[grand shuttle]

I grabbed a ccu for moth just in case they fix it right after they take it out of the store

[covert dome]

is there any hauler that fits the spot between Caterpillar and Raft/ASGARD for SCU? some of these runs are for like, 360 SCU and just a bit too small for a cat or a C2.

er, for SCU

ah, Hermes is 288, just under what i'm looking for, rip

[covert dome]

thanks Zorgh - I'll take a look at the carrack, seems to slot in just above what I was looking at

[spare cloud]

Uh, yeah maybe not that one.

[covert dome]

uh oh

why not 💀

[spare cloud]

It's not fun loading cargo in the upper layers of the Carrack's cargo grid.

[covert dome]

ahhhh

welp, looks like the C2 it is, the caterpillar is ass to load

[spare cloud]

3rd and 4th layer are hardly accessible because of the way the cargo pods open on their sides.

[covert dome]

ew

too bad the starfarer series is the ugliest ship I've ever seen 💀

yeah at this size it's either suffer the cat or just load the C2

[jovial matrix]

Just use the reclaimer, its super easy to load trust

[covert dome]

💀 not a chance I load the Reclaimer

i've unloaded the reclaimer a few times, and that elevator is satan

[jovial matrix]

yeah

[covert dome]

plus, the requirement to dock unless landing on a planet is a nope

[spare cloud]

External freight elevators are an option at most places you'll be unloading at.

[covert dome]

that's true

the elevator is still cursed though

(on the reclaimer)

[spare cloud]

True, but poop chute exists

[covert dome]

isn't that just where the refinery sits

how the hell would you load it

without using the dogass elevator

[spare cloud]

Oh that's just to unload.

[covert dome]

yeaaaaah

where's the Hull-B when you need it

surely that won't have the Hull-C problems

[jovial matrix]

ikr?

[spare cloud]

It won't, since it won't be using the auto loading blue box

[covert dome]

also whoever designed the caterpillar grid is on drugs

what the hell is this

i don't even know if 360 SCU would actually fit

[jovial matrix]

From a time before physicalized cargo, when the boxes magically appeared and disappeared. A simpler time

[covert dome]

that explains a lot tbh

I guess i could also try shoving 160SCU extra into this free Starlancer Max I have rn

[spare cloud]

And hauling contracts weren't a thing too.
Just buy 576 SCU Laranite for 1mil on Cellin and sell for 1.5m at PO

[covert dome]

wtf

[spare cloud]

Ship insta loaded/unloaded with 1SCU boxes.

[jovial matrix]

yup

I did many a run from bezdek/lathan to lorville, ah it was so stressful

[spare cloud]

When Carrack was usable

[covert dome]

that's so tragic

so I guess my best bet is to either suffer the caterpillar or wait 30 minutes for my insurance claim on my C2 that's at levski

[jovial matrix]

yup

[spare cloud]

C2 king hauler

[covert dome]

its my favorite ship for a reason, but I hate calling that thing when it's not in port

although nothing beats the astronomical claim times on a Hull-C or reclaimer 💀💀

[jovial matrix]

Fly the caterpillar to levski, and then fly the C2 back to wherever you are. probelm solved, trust

[spare cloud]

Most convenient, and even if 2x or 3x 200 SCU contracts don't make up 696 SCU, it makes very sure you won't be bothered by multiple box sizes badly stacking.

[covert dome]

unironically great idea, i'll take a smaller daily driver over

I need to figure out which ship is best for long distance driving

[spare cloud]

Not ships with S1 QD.

[jovial matrix]

I end up using my cutty red for that most of the time

[covert dome]

i've got my corsair available, might just fly that

I really need to pick up a C1 just for the sake of flying

[spare cloud]

Hopefully not with default QD

[covert dome]

it's default I think 💀

[spare cloud]

Corsair QD is ass. Tho still much better than old Bolon

[covert dome]

i've got upgraded QD on the asgard though, could call that

so the carrack is that dog for loading, huh

unfortunate

I see so many random Carrack fans in the wild, tragic that it's shit for loading

[spare cloud]

One day it won't be anymore.

Carrack cargo pods used to not open at all.
This wasn't an issue when cargo magically loaded in and out. We didn't even need to store our ships to load cargo in and out at the time.

After they physicallised it, Carrack was 100% useless because you could only get 1-2 SCU boxes in through the ramp and doors.

[covert dome]

jesus

that's.... a pretty bad problem

[spare cloud]

Carrack concept features openable cargo pods, which we now have. But they're also supposed to lower to the ground, making it easy to load.

[jovial matrix]

Kinda like how the caterpillars door are supposed to work like elevators

[spare cloud]

Lovely Caterpillar doors without the middle option of "opened but not lowered", rendering them useless.

[covert dome]

or that the lowered door compeltely shorts out boxes rendering them ungrabbable sometimes

i used that thing to push to member rank in covalex with planetary hauls

was mildly painful

[jovial matrix]

yikes

[covert dome]

the only good part was the sections so i could plan which location was where when doing the multi runs

[jovial matrix]

mmm yeah, its good for that. I used a zeus CL to get to member rank, and I'd just split the groups up as best I could and hope I remembered lol

[covert dome]

how's the zeus for hauling?

I'd figure you'd be better off using a C2 or a raft at that point

[jovial matrix]

Thats the only time Ive really used it for hauling, and it did fine. I did have a couple issue with the ladder breaking and locking me out of the ship when it was fully loaded

[jovial matrix]

Yeah they would be, but I already had a zeus from wikelo, so I just used what I had 🤷

[covert dome]

ah yes, the biggest design flaw with the asgard - ladders

[spare cloud]

Limited whenever you get multiple 8 SCU boxes or larger.
You're best at not using the grid.

[covert dome]

oof

[spare cloud]

Use tractor beam with right click so boxes don't snap.

[covert dome]

oh yeah wtf is that grid

[jovial matrix]

Actually I've also used it alongside my fortune for salvaging, thats just 1 SCU boxes though so any ship can do that well

[covert dome]

does the fortune fit in the bay?

[jovial matrix]

No definitely not lmao

[covert dome]

lmao

[jovial matrix]

I took one of the 890 jump boarding missions, cleared it out with the fortune (leaving one guy alive, so I still had the mission marker) and then backspaced to bring the zeus out

[covert dome]

oh nice

that's one way to do it

[jovial matrix]

here it is

[covert dome]

damn

1.3M in 5 hours

250m/h aint bad

[jovial matrix]

I like salvage, what can I say :)

[covert dome]

valid

[spare cloud]

The old times when you could just fly away with the 890J

[jovial matrix]

that was fun lol

[covert dome]

not anymre?

what changed, engineering?

[spare cloud]

I think the Vulture and Reclaimer got to see those times. No other salvage ships.

[spare cloud]

No, they just made it unresponsive, long before engineering. Like 3.22 or .24 smtg.

[jovial matrix]

I remember salvaging so many of the 890 missions, and the reclaimer missions when salvaging first released

Join up with some randoms in this discord, and spend 4-5 hours just chatting and salvaging. Only to have the server 30k at some point, of course

[covert dome]

.....someone was parked at the levski quantum point and blew me out of the sky as i came through

er

from stanton to nyx, as i was coming into nyx

[jovial matrix]

well thats rather unfortunate

[covert dome]

yup

[long frost]

Wait doesn't that work anymore?

[jovial matrix]

I haven't tried it since I took those screenshots, but it probably still works

[rough haven]

I've not seen those particular missions in awhile.

[jovial matrix]

I've seen them recently, they still spawn

[rough haven]

Solo crunching in the MOTH is ~650k per hour. I wonder if crafting will require Salvage materials.

[mild pumice]

It will eventually, maybe not the initial release

[jovial matrix]

I sure hope so, at least for the initial release. I'd like to be able to do something other than sell it

[crude wave]

How cooked is mining gonna be after 4.7

Because people are saying it’s gonna be Ike not profitable anymore

[covert dome]

OK if someone shoots my caterpillar out of the sky when flying to levski i'mma be depressed

[rich berry]

If not crafting for fps, but ship parts and base building will probably require it.

[keen garden]

If by people you mean an ai generated video claiming we should all be mining titanium…

Mining is going to remain the most profitable industrial activity next patch, because it’s the only industrial activity that produces materials needed by the player market in any real quantity

I think there’s some things that might need salvage next patch? Maybe? But most of the crafting materials are minables

And no, it’s not going to require an org level activity to mine the highest quality rocks, just a mole and maybe a friend

I’m sure it’ll also be available in smaller rocks

[mild pumice]

We'll have to wait and see, the commodity prices weren't adjusted during the evo testing

Not that prices matter when you can sell loot for billions tho