industrial-professions

[young elm]

Hi guys I've just bought my first reclaimer, i was wondering if anybody had a good loadout for the reclaimer i could copy? Unsure on the pros/cons between abraides and trawlers, and quantum drives etc

[spare cloud]

Erebos best QD you can buy. TS-2 best you can have.

[young elm]

Thankyou, what about the salvage guns themselves, do you recommend abraides or trawler?

[keen garden]

Abrades

[young elm]

Okay ty

Do i need to worry about changing the turrets/guns or anything else, just the QD and abraides?

[keen garden]

I wouldn’t

[young elm]

Okay ty

[keen garden]

Almost never have players on the turrets myself,

Other than the main top turret

So you can disable the rest in the diagnostics panel to give you and the top turret more shots

[young elm]

May change them to ballistics in that case

[keen garden]

You could swap the cf’s for attritions or, yea ballistics, if you like

[young elm]

Do you tend to spam the paid salvage contracts or are there better method for using the reclaimer?

[keen garden]

But I’ve found the reclaimer to feel pretty weak in combat, easily bruised

So I just avoid combat entirely

Uh, headhunter rep in pyro at sr contractor gives you a 50k contract that spawns two large ships to scrape/crack

I like those

[young elm]

oh nice

[keen garden]

also it’s in pyro so unloading at a station is easy

[young elm]

unloading in pyro is easier? I didnt even know this

[keen garden]

Way easier

[young elm]

external freight elevators on space stations i guess?

[keen garden]

All the refineries are at stations with xl hangars, so you dock/store then call it back up and unload in your safe hangar

For a good while ruin even had great prices for rmc/cmats, so you could do refine/sell there, dunno if it’s still the case

[young elm]

Have you got a station you recommend refining/selling at?

in pyro

[keen garden]

Not at the moment no, haven’t done any of it this patch

And… I think you make more money turning in the new salvage contracts instead

[young elm]

oh really

[keen garden]

They don’t require you to refine it

[young elm]

Which ones are the new ones? i've only just come back after 6 months

[keen garden]

Look under salvage, you gotta do the new intro quest

[young elm]

ahhh that one

so do those contracts in pyro you think?

[keen garden]

I know the ones in Stanton are good, I haven’t seen the pyro ones

And all this is new so there’s not a lot of info out there

Just added in the past week

I’ve focused on the shubin/mining side

[young elm]

Gotcha thanks for the help

[astral leaf]

This is simply not true…. The only “station” that can be landed at that has actual hangars that can fit Extra Large ships is Levski. None of the Lagrange Stations have large enough hangars to dock things like Reclaimers etc. They have to dock with the tubes.

[keen garden]

we’re talking about pyro

It has 5 such stations

[astral leaf]

Omg im so sorry I was thinking “wait is he talking Pyro” and scrolled up

[keen garden]

Oh wait. 3

The gateways don’t

[astral leaf]

I would never want to subject myself to that though. Less salvage opportunities spread out in Pyro, more travel when you can just go to any of the Nyx/Pyro/Terra gateways and do it there

From the external freight elevators

Never have to dock again

But then again, I usually have 3-4 crew on my Reclaimer so unloading is waaaaay easier for me

[keen garden]

To each their own, I like the pyro salvaging, and hangar unloading

[astral leaf]

Where do you usually salvage in Pyro?

Where are your hot spots for player ships, especially bigger ones?

[keen garden]

I just do the headhunter sr contractor salvage missions

[astral leaf]

Oh boo. We much prefer organically finding abandoned player ships

[keen garden]

Yea, when we do org ops we make our own with patrol missions

[astral leaf]

We found an Idris last night and we went nuts in VC lol

[keen garden]

Randomly find caps here and there

[astral leaf]

All of us scrambling to EVA to get inside and shut it down lol

We generally find 3-5 nightly going to our usual haunts, usually OLP stations.

And random OM’s

I scored and XL-1 and a pair of JS-400’s of a Hermes at one recently

[red granite]

Dropping this here for the search function and generating more feedback

Argo Moth Issues, Discussion, and Survey

Check out this Spectrum thread from Shark-CIG (main feedback thread and survey link)
and this comment from Nicou-CIG (includes links to common ICs and fixes expected in 4.7)

[elfin rune]

Im guessing the King of Bugs isnt patched

[elfin rune]

Anyone know how many hand mining rocks makes 1scu? Like 500?

[elfin rune]

how do you farm opl stations? the npcs always blow up my ship

[limpid sluice]

1000 iirc

[next idol]

I saw this on a YouTube video

This patch schedule will be so shitty

The fact that a launch of a broken ship it’s not almost too priority to fix

When they are also launching salvage missions and other related stuff

[storm storm]

You shoot the npc first

[orchid void]

Did they change refinery methods? What's the best one now

[spare cloud]

They didn't.

Pyro, Ferron and Dynix still the best for yield.
Use Dynix to lower costs.

[elfin rune]

That makes sense

[hidden garden]

@spare cloud how does autoloading a hull C work? Do you just drive up to yhe station thing and wait while it loads?

[spare cloud]

Yes
Right Alt + N to call cargo services, get attributed a loading area, go there, come at full stop, wait while it (un)loads.

When trading, it's a bit of a hassle having to dock and walk in to the trading terminal first, then undock and go to the loading area, but for hauling, it's dead simple.

[covert dome]

anyone else having issues with refinement center? i can't click the begin button to grab my salvage job 🫠

[spare cloud]

Ship stored ? MOLE ? Tried on an other server region ?
Detach the bags and send them down the freight elevator, then make the order from there.

@red granite

[grand shuttle]

Wait, you can use the external loading for non-mission trading? I thought you had to dock/land/store

[covert dome]

was the left ASOP, right one worked

[spare cloud]

Nice, thanks for letting me know

[covert dome]

I had already completed the order, the terminal just wouldn't let me get in to claim it

[spare cloud]

Ah right, misunderstood the problem.

[covert dome]

lineup for ASOPs is a pain

[hidden garden]

Iggy said the auto unloading was messed up. Do you know if that's true?

[spare cloud]

It is.

Hit or miss.

[near swallow]

Sometimes terminals in general won't respond to mouse input, you just have to back out and try again.

Even had that happen to the mobi once.

[red granite]

ASOP or refinery terminal?

[covert dome]

refinery terminal

didn't know those weren't also considered ASOPs

I see terminal, I assume it's called an ASOP

[near swallow]

It can even happen in the middle of using a terminal. Say, scrolling down your ship list in ASOP and suddenly the mouse isn't being recognized anymore.

[covert dome]

yeah i backed out like 4x

[red granite]

Automated Ship Organization Program

[covert dome]

some guy even used the terminal infront of me without issue

[red granite]

Vulkan or DX11?

[covert dome]

no idea, actually, how would I check?

[red granite]

vulkan then

[covert dome]

probs

welll now i know the difference between a refinery terminal and an ASOP, TIL

[red granite]

there's a bug with terminals, mobiGlas, MFDs, elevator panels, etc. Anything with an "overlay" layer that is interactable is borked with vulkan this patch

[covert dome]

jeez

[hidden garden]

For all unloading or the weird hull C version?

[spare cloud]

Hull C.

More than others.

But (un)loading has basically never been flawless. Can always bug.

[hidden garden]

Yeah that's what I do with my carrack is loading and unloading automatically

[peak acorn]

You're playing on linux? Can't tell if the other guy was joking

[spare cloud]

Spaghetti ? No, why ?

[peak acorn]

I'm playing on Linux using Vulkan and using terminals fine

[spare cloud]

This bug is only a slight disturbance, the terminals are all affected but mostly fine 🤷

[peak acorn]

Gotcha

[hidden garden]

With meatballs or no?

[grand shuttle]

Anybody else here solo run a reclaimer? Whats your trade-off for packing stuff into the grid for sale/refining and time?
I tried fully packing the grid down to size 2s and the refinery order was HUGE, but I dont think its best use of time.
Next time I might just do the size 16s and 8s? Definitely having fun with this ship though.

[rough haven]

I've been running the Reclaimer doing CM only, as a small group, the most painful part is getting the boxes out of the reclaimer. We typically use size 16s only because its fewer items to move.

[grand shuttle]

Yeah, im skipping the unloading bit when im solo. Everything is on grid, I dock and store, and refine from that and then head back out.

[rough haven]

Solo I think the MOTH is more time efficient for CM. While I understand the drive for being solo, you'll be much more productive as a duo for the reclaimer.

its just so far from the pilot seat to the box-bitch position

[young elm]

When running reclaimer which system are you doing it? I find it such a headache in stanton to unload at lorville, load into a hauler, fly to L1 to refine then fly it back

[rough haven]

our first run as a duo on the reclaimer was 1600 scu....

[grand shuttle]

MIC-L1 will both refine CM and buy it, so I've just been cheasing that. Probably not best for auec but I am lazy.

[rough haven]

@young elm maybe fly the hauler to Terra Gateway, it has a refinery and buys the final goods for a good price.

[young elm]

Oh really? i thought the gateway elevators were bugged but i havent tried myself

[rough haven]

14k per SCU

not sure if the gateway elevators were bugged, we've use Terra 3 times, C2, MOTH and Hull-C all with 100% on grid stuff

[young elm]

can you actually unload a reclaimer at this station though?

Cause reclaimer has issues with actually being able to unload

[rough haven]

we unloaded the Reclaimer in space out the poop shoot

[grand shuttle]

Im not unloading it. I am storing it after docking, and refining from that. You can only do on-grid that way though.

[young elm]

i'll give that a try thankyou

have you been doing the paid salvage contracts or the new contracts? not sure which is best to chase

[grand shuttle]

unverified salvage contracts, which are funny because I keep taking the hammerhead one and it gets changed to a starfarer or a connie sometimes. I figure pirates lie.

[young elm]

Nice i haven't checked those out yet but will give them a try

[rough haven]

yeah I've been doing the unverified and just abandoning the ones I cant crack in the MOTH

best target for me in the MOTH are Caterpillar, I get two buffers out of those.

[grand shuttle]

They have a 30minute to 1hr timer, but thats trivial if you are munching the ship.
I use those because the verified spawn the resulting ship around stations and I've had a moth beat me to one before, lol.

[rough haven]

If you abandon the unverified you can get them to spawn in the same area you are already in 😄

[grand shuttle]

Yeah, im debating re-buying the MOTH now that they finally acknowledged bugs. If they go ahead and fix the scrape bug before 4.7 I might pull the trigger.
@rough haven I had one get weird where it gave me a quantum waypoint AND spawned it near me.

[young elm]

I think they've said they won't fix the moth until 4.7 i could be wrong though

[rough haven]

they arent planning on pre-4.7 fixes

yup I've had some short 10km quantum jumps 😄

[elfin rune]

hmmn,ive finished the hand miining contract, the elevator ate my hadanite but it didnt work, any tips?

[grand shuttle]

Im holding out hope they fix the scrape bug as a hotfix, since it seems to be a simple typo somewhere. If their new every-other-month patch cycle means they are going to launch new ships straight to live that just don't have any fixes for 2 months, im going to not buy any new ships for real money.

[rough haven]

I got the Vulture warts and all on release, then upgraded it to the MOTH. I'll eventually be dual-boxing so I can alt-tab away some of the seat hopping.

I almost feel MOTH munching is way faster income than scraping on a Vulture.

Once the MOTH is fixed I'll have to do some timed runs.

[covert dome]

tfw I time out because I got distracted by work and lose my salvage haul on moth

pain

[grand shuttle]

I don't think its even close, as long as you aren't counting refine times in the calc. I think the math is that RMC is still worth half what CM is per-scu even after you account for the refining ratio from refining.

If I could buy the MOTH for auec id probably be happy with it despite the bugs in current state.

[young elm]

would i get a crime stat doing unverified salvage contracts?

[grand shuttle]

only if you don't complete them before the timer is up and get caught

[rough haven]

@grand shuttle refine times are just a cash-out delay, its not like you are limited by them somehow.

[grand shuttle]

Right, but the math would be different if you are calculating them as part of auec over time for RMC versus CMAT. I agree that the calc should instead focus on time spent actually gathering them.

[rough haven]

cash over time would still need to account for parallel tasks.

If you were to compare RMC vs CM for a 24/7 operation the CM should come out on top because of parallel tasking.

[grand shuttle]

Fairly sure the math for a direct comparison there would start to get into calculus because of the way more raw CMAT means more refine time. Im just being pedantic though, I agree that CMAT does seem to be handily more profitable than scraping over time just because of how much faster gathering it is.

[rough haven]

pretty sure we are not limited on refine tasks.

just collect the CMAT, dump into refinery and go out collect CMAT dump into Refinery etc etc

[keen garden]

The station destroyed our Polaris the other night (someone had a CS) and within literal seconds, a moth was on scene investigating

[coarse ember]

the light of the explosion brought them over

[keen garden]

Except, the moth splatted one of our survivors on his windshield, getting his own CS3 and the station then lit him up too

[elfin rune]

Mining contracts, spam handmining or ship mining asap?

Ship mining its more work and more rewards?

[keen garden]

Ship mining is far less work, since you can just buy it from a TDD

[elfin rune]

Ive only made the 1st

[keen garden]

But I haven’t found hand mining to be all that much work tbh

[elfin rune]

Oh

[keen garden]

Just avoid the caves

Different moons have different gem ratios

[elfin rune]

Same rep for ship or hand contracts?

[keen garden]

Felt like it was the same

Didn’t do science

Just bought 20 aluminum from the local station to test it

Haven’t really done it since, but I need to get to the feynmaline turn in rep for all the feynmaline we collected last night

So I’ll be doing something for rep tonight… to me buying from TDD feels cheesy, and also I prefer to not be doing hauling, so I’ll probably just go hand mining again

[elfin rune]

The GEO feels great, small bag tho

[keen garden]

We had the roc ds out last night scooping up all the feynmaline while 3 of us in geos broke rocks, it was so convenient

[elfin rune]

Even if its small scu quantity the ship mining feels like more work

[keen garden]

Ship mining has more logistics

Because refining

[elfin rune]

Maybe better for bulking trips

[keen garden]

You only need 4scu

So like, it’s not crazy inconvenient

But also it’s a lot more work than just buying from a TDD

[elfin rune]

The ores change or its always the same ?

[keen garden]

It feels like a waste

[elfin rune]

Ofc

[keen garden]

I can just buy from a TDD and mine quant instead

[keen garden]

It’s always the same, for the given planet

Hurston will want a b c or d, microtech will want e f g or h, etc

[elfin rune]

Huh, bulking shop orders

Thank you

[keen garden]

I wonder if one of them wants pressurized ice… still have 400 sitting around in levski

[elfin rune]

Lol, i have 200scu of refined borase

Wasted

[pearl juniper]

You can turn it in for like 1.6m per 56scu

[elfin rune]

Hmmm, the big contract right? I spammed the small

[elfin rune]

Thank you

[misty wave]

guys, how are distortion weawpons on a vulture?

is it any good>

[pearl juniper]

yeah, same. The smalles are way more efficient for points (which is dumb, especially on the collection missions), but the big ones actually pay better, and are of course a lot easier to turn it. Just don't accidentally try to do one that you don't have the resources for, I wasted 40scu of laranite the other night because I wasn't paying attention 🙁

[keen garden]

They don’t do much damage at all to shields, so them alone will be rough to do much with

They don’t distort components till shields are down

[misty wave]

why is everyone online saying that they are perfect for vulture because you can disable the shields

[keen garden]

They used to a long time ago

Now they do just enough to prevent shield regen

It is still possible to completely deplete the shields, but… really better off with ballistics and popping open a door to board

[misty wave]

so not worth doing bounty hunting missions with vulture anymore neither?

[keen garden]

I wouldn’t expect it to be, the tiers you could do in a reasonable amount of time pay just as much as the unverified salvage missions in Stanton that don’t involve combat

[keen garden]

Does anyone know what the later reps of ship mining require for turnins?

More base material? Does it graduate to the low grade metals?

[warm lava]

Thinking about trying mining any tips ?

[rough haven]

If you are going to use the Prospector upgrade the bags @warm lava

[keen garden]

and the laser

Hofstead, impact, or helix (from easiest to use to most powerful)

[warm lava]

I haven't picked/rent a ship yet so what would you suggest >

[keen garden]

If just renting, I’d probably suggest the golem, because there’s nothing to swap out on it worth changing right away

But bring extra surge and stampede modules with you

Prospector would be my first mining ship purchase

Golem you can always just rent and go, so no real need to own it

[warm lava]

I can only rent the golem in Levski right ?

[keen garden]

I think it’s any refinery in Stanton as well

But don’t quote me on that

[grand shuttle]

You can't change the modules on a rental ship, I thought.

well, you could do it manually by unlocking, maybe?

[keen garden]

Manually by unlocking yea

So technically you could rent a mole and run the ideal laser loadout rather than stock, but… that’s a lot of effort for a rental

[elfin rune]

the mole its free now for the freefly i think

[keen garden]

Free, and modify-able in the VLM

Right?

[rough haven]

yes

[warm lava]

Dam putting 8mm away away from Crusader

[regal tide]

I find it to be a huge slap in the face when they release ships like the moth when they can't even put a simple cargo lift on the reclaimer first before the overhaul. 😢

[grand shuttle]

I mean, all they would have to do is give the existing lift a grid, to help.

or make the back hatch as large as it looks like it ought to be

[vestal ravine]

On the back hatch have a button to rotate them out away from the ship.

The clip part of it.

[grand shuttle]

Is the pilot button the only way still?

nm, found it

it does not have a button to close it from down on the elevator though, nm found that too. I hate that none of these things in the reclaimer have physicalized button panels to give you a clue

[lavish swallow]

I'm a fairly new player, I've got the MOTH, and I'd like to go on some salvage missions with a team at some point but don't know anyone else who plays. Would anyone like to do some salvage missions with me sometime?

[spare cloud]

Use #looking-for-session to group with people 👍

[lavish swallow]

Ah, thank you!

[weary agate]

I'm looking to get into salvaging however I would like to know if it if truely profitable before I spend some money in the industry

[spare cloud]

Don't spend money, just use the freefly ships.

[weary agate]

Is it profitable though?

[grand trellis]

so the hand mining mission seams a lil scuffed cause i just lost 5 hadenite to the elevator

[grand shuttle]

add something small on the elevator and send it down and up and see if it comes back

[humble merlin]

It's basically free money

[grand trellis]

would the missions be even worth the ship mining ones

i mean when i salvage i sometimes find copper and so so i could make some extra profit right ?

[humble merlin]

The salvage materials are worth a lot more than stuff like copper, but if you have space and don't mind making an extra stop to sell the copper, you could take it

[astral leaf]

kill them, typically. The Reclaimer has a 2xS5 turret and a few PDC’s and a HUGE shield gen. Just have to watch out for the random Hornet that might be there, they can be annoying.

[uncut sleet]

how much does the cargo size of a contract contribute towards the rep, id like to climb the ranks as fast as i can but im currently at junior rank

[royal spear]

Nothing. The rep is based on the rank of the mission afaik so do the highest rank missions you have unlocked to get most rep. There might be some more optimised routes where you might be able to spam multiple lower rep missions fast enough to beat doing slower higher rep missions but in general terms higher rank missions = more rep.

[uncut sleet]

im just using the Caterpillar for the +100SCU missions, which are only about 120 at most, ive been thinking of accepting multiple contracts that need materials from the same place so i just load certain modules with one cargo type so i can easily distinguish which goes where

im looking forward to the missions that actually require a caterpillar

[royal spear]

you're probably better off flying a rented raft until you are high enough rank to justify a cat. It's impractical to load and offload and a very slow ship to fly so you're artificially slowing yourself down and a raft is like 70k to rent for the day for 194scu external cargo. That being said if you're enjoying space trucking in a cat crack on. There isn't really a reason to rush to get to anything

[torn canyon]

raft is definitely the play for quick rank grinding, those external containers save so much time

[next idol]

Dividing by material it’s so good. I was doing stacked missions when I first started doing haul missions and it was a pain in the ass to divide everything so I didn’t fucked up the delivery xD

But it was so time consuming

I was using a Taurus atm

But it seems very easy to do with caterpillar

[torn canyon]

yeah those separate pods are clutch for organization, try using the side lifts to keep the missions separate

[uncut sleet]

btw about the side lifts, the upper level railing is most of the time in the way when loading large containers, is there a way to raise the side lifts without closing the actual cargo bay

[royal spear]

Yeah the compartmentalisation of the cat makes it nice for organising smaller deliveries. That being said if you are hauling the same goods for multiple missions you just have to make sure you deliver the right mix of container sizes so don't actually have to separate the goods (unless they changed something in the last couple of patches)

[royal spear]

Nope 🙁

[uncut sleet]

thats a bummer

[royal spear]

And you are pretty much hard capped on the size of container that will fit in the cat as a result of it's design

[uncut sleet]

it was pretty easy to drag a crate along the side lift and floor under the railing before it closed instead of eyeballing the height of the crate, it does fit underneat the railing, just very annoying to do

[royal spear]

That being said it has been long overdue a rework and gold pass so I'm hoping we see a bit of tlc for the cat during ILW when the Ironclad drops.

[uncut sleet]

ive heard people talk about the gold standard on ships, what is it

[royal spear]

The one area the cat really excels at atm is doing external cargo lift deliveries. Loading and offloading in space onto an external lift is actually really nice in a cat.

[uncut sleet]

additionally i learned that you can fit 5 Furies inside the caterpillar with room to spare, 1 in each compartment

[royal spear]

A lot of ships were made before they really had an idea about the many bits of functionality ships will need to have for wider systems such as component access and other tidbits. It's a broad term of what they coined as "gold standard" meaning the sort of minimum level of functionality they expect all ships to have to be compatible with all the game systems

[royal spear]

You can. You can also fit an absolute armada of dragonflies

I'm waiting for when they let me fire a railgun off the back seat of a dragonfly

so I can go hunting ships with a swarm

[uncut sleet]

the Ironclad im looking forward to, looks like itd fit a small swarm inside with great defence capabilities on the ship itself

also im a fan of Drake ships

[royal spear]

idk about it's defense capabilities tbh as it is a floating paving stone but it is everything I want from a hauler

unlike the idiotic hull series..

[uncut sleet]

only the aesthetically pleasing ones that is

Ironclad is supposed to be a ground assault vessel IIRC, so im assuming itd bolster nice shields

[royal spear]

The Ironclad assault is focused on ground vehicle delivery, maintenance and repair yea. The normal IC is pretty much a blank slate hauler

[uncut sleet]

yeah assault has 4 shield generators

unknown S though

same with hauler version

i wonder if well ever get an actual aircraft carrier, i know about the Kraken but i doubt well be seeing it in a while

[royal spear]

yeaah thing is 4xS2 is worse than 1xS3 😛

[uncut sleet]

but in ship scale, isnt Kraken an equivalent to IRL heli carrier or support carrier, instead of an actual aircraft carrier

what 1xS3

[royal spear]

The Liberator is pretty much just a carrier

[royal spear]

shield sizes. 4 shields means nothing until we know the size. <S3 shields are not quadrant and in my books are dogshit for anything beyond a fighter.

[uncut sleet]

ah fair enough

[royal spear]

bubble shield on something as big as an Ironclad would be the same as putting no shield on it so I suspect it will be 4xS3 which would actually be insanely good.

[torn canyon]

yeah the matrix says 4x large, so you're spot on with the s3 guess

[uncut sleet]

will it be the next hammerhead?

ive been on one only once, and that thing seemed indestructible

no idea about the hammerheads modules though

[royal spear]

I think the most S3 shields we have on ships atm is 2?

Maybe there are some edge cases with 3 that I've blanked on

[next idol]

I want the ironclad. I bought it months ago

It’s supposed to come this year?

[royal spear]

yep 99.9% dropping on ILW

[uncut sleet]

ILW?

[royal spear]

Invictus Launch Week https://starcitizen.tools/Invictus_Launch_Week

[uncut sleet]

also does the Pledge store prices translate to ingame aUEC prices, any idea how much itll be?

[royal spear]

nope

[next idol]

The prices are very random tbh

[uncut sleet]

i see

[torn canyon]

yeah pledge prices are all over the place compared to auec

[royal spear]

corsair $250 6.2mil auec
taurus $200 7.8mil auec

[torn canyon]

basically newer ships like the corsair always have that 'new' tax compared to older ones

[uncut sleet]

well if you had to give it a aUEC price, how much do yall guess itd be

[royal spear]

also the pledge store price will jump up for IC when it drops

concept pledge is always a bit cheaper than after ship is flyable.

[royal spear]

~30mil

[uncut sleet]

hm, could make that in 5 minutes

[royal spear]

yeah the slowest part of it will be waiting the ~6 months post launch for it to be purchasable in game ;P

[torn canyon]

yeah usually feels like forever waiting for that first shop update after launch

[uncut sleet]

the community is surprisingly lovely, i logged on one day and decided that i wanted to grind for the Caterpillar, only issue is that i cant make money fast enough with my low rep, so i posted a note saying that i need about 9mil for a new ship, if anyone needs escorts or gunners, add me to a party, like 2 minutes after that post i had gained 28mil, and no party invites

i hate asking for handouts so if i do decide to ask, id rather work for it

[verbal tangle]

This would be because there's an insane abundance of illegitimate money on game right now.

[uncut sleet]

damn, how even

[verbal tangle]

Exploits / hacks.

[uncut sleet]

ah

[verbal tangle]

Org mate of mine sold a single computer chip, compboard #5 for wikelo, for 50 billion

[uncut sleet]

EU servers, 2 days ago?

[verbal tangle]

Nah. 3 updates ago at this point.

[next idol]

I got the ironclad before the ships got the price update

[verbal tangle]

Back in November

[next idol]

I need to check how much it was

[uncut sleet]

ah, i saw someone boasting in chat that they sold something for 50b

[next idol]

[verbal tangle]

It happens a lot because money doesn't really mean much right now until they get things back under control economy wise.

[uncut sleet]

speaking of economy, wasnt player driven economy supposed to be a thing at some point, like one of the promised features

[torn canyon]

nice one, definitely saved a bit by locking that in early

[verbal tangle]

Its why a lot of senior players are basically "I'll come back after a wipe"

[next idol]

I mean there are not too many things with any type of value. Sc economy it’s super basic full of exploits

Hopefully a wipe and the releasing of better crafting will fix it

[uncut sleet]

btw what happened to ship prices between 3.16 and now, because i remember buying Andro for 3.6mil, and the Taurus i assume is similarly prized, slightly more and i bought it for 8mil

[torn canyon]

yeah basically the quanta system is the vision, still waiting for it to actually hit

[next idol]

I think with time ships get price updates? I’ve been not playing that long

[uncut sleet]

yeah i stopped playing in 3.17 when Javelin was added, bricked my PC pretty well until last month

[next idol]

Damn

[uncut sleet]

or well i only dared to reinstall last month as alot of people said that its way better now

[next idol]

We are getting big updates lately so I think yeah it’s way better.

[uncut sleet]

not a single time has the trams bugged and vanished leaving me in void, stations not rendered in forcing me to use the same tram for tens of minutes until the station loads and elevators have been mostly working, they all come eventually instead of never like back then

[next idol]

Hope this year they launch a lot of big stuff

I wonder what “year” will be 2026

[uncut sleet]

also overall less crashes, except in Lorville

[next idol]

Yeah I didn’t have any crashes besides the one with the sound related in ships in QT

[uncut sleet]

i did upgrade from 1070ti to 3060 but i doubt thatd change too much

[next idol]

My reclaimer just farted once in QT and crashed my game xD

[verbal tangle]

That would change a lot actually.

[next idol]

Now we have Vulcan and you can have more control with the settings

[uncut sleet]

2gb more Vram really does that?

[next idol]

Also at least for me it works better than before

[torn canyon]

yeah for sure, that 3060 architecture handles it way better, try turning off volumetric clouds too

[verbal tangle]

Its more than just the Vram

30-series GPU are pretty spectacular.

[uncut sleet]

alright ill keep that in mind, i just set everything to high because i remembered the "low isnt always the best" which was big back then, it worked well on high so i never bothered changing things, in Lorville i can run +50 FPS, it looks smooth, no lag or anything and out of the blue it crashes

[torn canyon]

try turning off volumetric clouds, usually stops those random lorville crashes

[uncut sleet]

alright, night rain Lorville is actually pretty damn cool, came in on my Caterpillar and i believe the server size also matters, i did not crash nor bug out once when there were only 30 players

[next idol]

I just wish the sound design was better

But I kinda understand it’s not the priority at all

[rough haven]

they will probably have to do a money wipe for crafting otherwise the player driven element will be totally borked.

[torn canyon]

yeah for sure, a full reset is basically required for the economy to work

[rough haven]

I just hope they make it meaningful

I got gifted 100m recently and I have all the ships I want an 45m to spare.....

I'm not an expensive creature 😛

[torn canyon]

nice one, maybe try sponsoring some player races or events

[rough haven]

I keep putting up "Salvaging for newbs" in looking for session with the intent to fund a Vulture for whoever joins, but no dice.

trying to get a two vulture 1 MOTH setup for salvaging

[verbal tangle]

Moth aint worth running right now

[rough haven]

dump the RMC onto the outside and then clean up with the CMAT on the MOTH

yeah the MOTH is totally worth running for CMATs

but NOT for RMC

[verbal tangle]

Unless you're goal is use the moth for cargo, but there's better options.

[verbal tangle]

Yeah because running a ship crippled to less than half functionality means is worth it.

[rough haven]

you can still make a decent income using CMATs even in its broken state.

[verbal tangle]

Half its buffer, only prints 8scu boxes, dozens of reports of full cargo grids severely impacting ship performance.

yikes

[rough haven]

only printing 8 SCU boxes isnt much of a downside really

half the buffer hurts, because I could do fewer crunches, but its still good money

[verbal tangle]

On its own, no. But combined with everything else I mentioned,, it adds up.

[rough haven]

CMATs are where the money is in salvaging atm due to the speed at which you can harvest it.

[verbal tangle]

This is literally 100% the opposite of what most people tell me.

Anytime someone talks about doing salvage its RMC this and RMC that.

[rough haven]

RMC is at like 6-7k CMATs after refine is 16k

you lose 80% on the refine, but its still much faster to collect than RMC

[verbal tangle]

Oh I salvage almost exclusively CMAT. You don't need to convince me. Its the others you gotta sway lmao

[rough haven]

doing it in the reclaimer is just sooo damn clunky

[verbal tangle]

That's why objectively I love the moth. Still not worth using in its current state in my opinion.

Yeah reclaimer needs a lot of love.

[rough haven]

unverified salvage is where its at as well, big difference between paying 20k vs being paid 20k

[red granite]

Is CM with the MOTH worth it right meow or is that borked too?

[torn canyon]

cm structural is alright but that 32 scu buffer bug is killer

[covert dome]

you can only autoload commodities at a station, corect? all the outposts don't?

[random patrol]

Says who?

[verbal tangle]

Did you even read the rest of my commentary on why? lmao

[random patrol]

Cm is fine...ive been having a blast roaming around munching ships

[random patrol]

No

Bah emoji

[verbal tangle]

Its only got half its intended buffer, there's plenty of reports of having a full cargo grid making the elevator unusable at worst and janky at best, and theres just as many reports of similarly full cargo grids causing massive ship performance issues.

If you don't have either of those issues, happy for you. But objectively the MOTH is in a terrible state at the moment.

[random patrol]

Yes and ive still been using it since it came out with the bugs.

Ive experienced them all so far

Its still fun regardless..at least for me.

🫡

[verbal tangle]

To clarify, I have a blast. I didn't say its not fun. I just said its not really worth it objectively. OP was saying he tries to post for a MOTH group and I just was explaining why I'm not surprised theres no responses.

[random patrol]

100% agree

[verbal tangle]

I see people getting in reclaimers regularly but MOTH right now a lot of issues cause pushback.

[random patrol]

Ive seen so many abandoned moths which let's me practice boarding them...salvaging etc lol

[verbal tangle]

Yeah its sad, but understandable.

[covert dome]

the more issues it has, the less likely I am to buy until that CCU chain is ready for me regardless

so CIG is saving me money

[random patrol]

Yeah I upgraded my max into the moth so it wasnt much $.

I already have the Hermes so the max had to go lol

[covert dome]

yeah all the ships I own I use regularely

using the C2 rn for commodity runs

[random patrol]

If and when the moth is fixed youll like it

[covert dome]

while working, since everything else I end up timing out because i have to work

i enjoyed the moth tbh, i have it as a sub rn

[random patrol]

I like it more than the mole

Because I can control the claws as a the pilot

The only problem I run into is when I finish a large chunk the animation (looks like glitter) crashes my box if I am in first person.

I just switch to 3rd person before it finishes and it works

[covert dome]

my biggest issue is the size of the hopper

I got too used to the reclaimer

tbh if the reclaimer had pilot-controlled cmat crunching, it would be peak

[verbal tangle]

Yeah for me personally I'd say hopper is biggest problem.

[covert dome]

once they make it so its not bugged and only processing 8SCU at a time, maybe

[verbal tangle]

All of it needs fixed, but hopper is main thing keeping me from using right now.

[covert dome]

i just won't pay money rn for a semi-baked ship

doesn't seem worth it

[grand shuttle]

About half the reason I bought mine was to have it in buyback, and a self-con to build towards pledging for an ironclad :-p
The bugs were a wakeup call that I was getting too invested in this game. That and seeing the % towards concierge...

new-hobby-itis.

[rough haven]

do we have any Concept Salvage ships atm?

[verbal tangle]

Dont think so, at least none confirmed. 5 ships in production unannounced though.

I think its 5

1 is likely n Origin ship, so that's almost assuredly not a Salvager.

[covert dome]

concept mining yes, concept salvage no

would be funny if the Arrastra could salvage too though

[rough haven]

they might do a arrastra varient that does

[verbal tangle]

If Arrastra was mining and salvage would change my opinion of it dramatically.

[torn canyon]

lol imagine those massive drills just chewing through hulls instead of rocks

[covert dome]

... i just got out of my C2 and it just straight up vanished from my hangar

i stg its always the XL at Levski that does this

.......it ate my cargo

welp, there goes 2M worth of commodities

[grand shuttle]

send the elevator down, put a hotdog ( or some other small item) on the freight elevator and send it back up. This usually brings back things the elevator "ate"

[covert dome]

asop ate it

i landed my C2 and after ladning my C2, the game auto-stored it and it vanished from the hangar bay

so now when i check the TDD panel, C2 is empty

[grand shuttle]

Ah. Yeah, that sucks. Retrieving it and its empty?

[covert dome]

going to check now

[grand shuttle]

Levski scares me man.

[covert dome]

IDK what it is but its always the XL hangar tha does this

[torn canyon]

yeah levski is straight up cursed sometimes with those hangars

[grand shuttle]

Unrelated, at MIC-l1 I can't tractor stuff inside my reclaimer while im inside armsice limit. Is that normal (i've previously just used external haulers like raft so I dk)? If so, how does that work with the external freight elevator, are they not in armstice, or do they let you tractor?

[covert dome]

that happens sometimes

[torn canyon]

yeah armistice usually blocks handheld tractors, you probably need to fly out a bit

[covert dome]

really annoying when it happens at the external freight elevators though

oh sick, i sent the C2 back up and the commodities are all back

[torn canyon]

phew thats lucky, levski is so sketchy right now

[covert dome]

the issue now is probably the TDD is maxed 🤡

[torn canyon]

classic trade loop pain, maybe try orison or just wait for the tick

[covert dome]

tick?

[torn canyon]

yeah basically just the server inventory refresh, usually happens every few mins

[covert dome]

ohhh

good call

the TDD is bugged because it still shows 0SCU, but when I'm in the C2 the cargo is there

[torn canyon]

man that bug is annoying, maybe try a different terminal to see if it syncs

[torn canyon]

yeah that screen is straight up gaslighting you lol

[covert dome]

no dice

might be alt-f4 attempt time

[torn canyon]

seeing 0 scu when you know it's full is pure anxiety, levski is trippin

[torn canyon]

try a quick store and retrieve first, usually forces a sync

[covert dome]

i mean i did do that

[pearl juniper]

Try a different ship. There was a bug a while back where the drop down and picture didn't match the inventory. It might be back

[covert dome]

yeah but that bug showed the wrong name

this one shows the correct name

i stg if it shows it on the eclipse

nope, doesn't show

[torn canyon]

not sure tbh but i think another station might force the manifest sync

[grand shuttle]

How do you like the c2 btw?

[covert dome]

i love it, it was my first pledge

other than the starter cutter

[covert dome]

i'm debating swapping regions to see if that syncs it

the thing about the C2 is if you're loading it by hand there's a certain spot where clicking boxes is weird

but using it for commodities is usually great and loading for the most part with the double doors is nice, just slam things to the back, then use the other door when unloading or vice versa. the only issues are the multiple doors like most Crusader ships, the vacuuming ladder and the harder-to-see out of cockpit

the fuel economy for QT is fantastic and it flies real smooth, so other than that no complaints. got used to the tripod landing gear

[torn canyon]

true, what routes you running? front ramp is way better for quick exits

[torn canyon]

yeah it handles like a dream for that size, way better than the cat

[covert dome]

i usually do station to station

planet to station are ass

or vice versa

and i did up to Member in a CAT for that

did the multiple small missions for planetary, ranked up quick with that

[covert dome]

the Cat is so ass, it's terrible, hoping the Ironclad will fix a lot of its issues since it's the loaner I have for it

[torn canyon]

ironclad looks sick, hopefully the command module actually works when it drops

[covert dome]

that's what they're working on right now, so i hope so

considering an arrastra or a liberator as the only other concept ships i'm interested in

[grand shuttle]

CAT Is terrible. I've only ever flown one for the AA recovery mission and I am boggled by how bad it is. I don't think any of its problems are going to be fixed by command module.

[covert dome]

yeah not worth it, at that point a starlancer is probably better

okay forced a server swap to EU, lets see if TDD robs me again

[grand shuttle]

It might turn out neat if they actually make the cargo spaces modular, fix its flight performance, and redo the interior

[covert dome]

i'll be impressed if modular bays work out as they're wanting

the galaxy is overhyped to me for exactly that reason

[torn canyon]

fair point, modularity has been coming soon for like a decade now lol

[covert dome]

yup, so i hear

[grand shuttle]

it would have to be different for the caterpillar too, as its modular spaces aren't these huge internal voids that could be swapped out. It would have to actually change the external dimensions of the ship if im understanding it right?

[covert dome]

i've only been playing since a few free flies ago with the Best in Show ships last year

[covert dome]

the ship dimensions are so dogshit, at this point let us mix and match the shapes of the ship too

making it a build-a-ship would be hilarious

[grand shuttle]

I thgouht that was basically the whole point of the thing. You could make some ridic long cargo space, or slap only a nose on it and suddenly have an overpowered semi-gunship.

[covert dome]

yeah, that sounds about right

but will it work in concept and in practice is the question

i'm more worried about the modularity in general

also for the love of god, please remove the interaction between engines and weight

it literally doesn't take off if its fully loaded without jamming the engines at full throttle and trying to VTOL up

pointing your nose up is the only way you can realistically take off and if you're on a heavy grav planet like orison good fucking luck ever reaching atmo

Hull-C has the exact same problem when the spindles are loaded, free falls into the gravitational field if you're not careful

[next idol]

we will nto ahve anything super interesdting until Squadron 42 drops

[covert dome]

yeah unfortunately

fucking levski still gaslighting me

🤡

i'll check later, too annoyed to stay on SC rn

What are people running for money for cargo missions these days

[pearl juniper]

NO, this is the sort of thing they should be adding more of (and have said they plan to). It's supposed to be a simulation, after all. This is literally what the VTOL mode is supposed to be for, but in the current flight model there is rarely a reason you have to use it.

[covert dome]

might as well remove F4 entirely at that point - and I doubt they will

[spare cloud]

Well that's intended ? Why should it be removed ?

[covert dome]

I guess I didn’t realize they intentionally made it feel terrible to pilot

[torn canyon]

lol yeah it's basically just a brick with engines once it's full

[covert dome]

both the hull c and the cat feel terrible

It’ll be interesting though once they implement that along with actual cargo weight depending on material how drastically hauling changes

[spare cloud]

What do you think happens to a vehicle when it suddenly triples in volume and weight with the same engines

[covert dome]

fair point - I think once weighted materials come into play they’ll be reasons to aim for lighter materials that have less value as opposed to denser materials that are more expensive

actually make it a more tactical decision for commodities or cargo

wonder how much worse the C2 will feel

[spare cloud]

Not much. In theory.

Crusader is supposed to have higher manoeuvrability thrusters.

[covert dome]

that’s interesting

[torn canyon]

yeah the c2 handles way better, just gotta use vtol for the heavy loads

[covert dome]

so drake by design is objectively worse for hauling then

[torn canyon]

drake is raw utility man, just stick to low grav moons if the cat feels heavy

[next idol]

roblox has better flight model than SC

supossedly the system its done, its just that they need to port it to sc or something like that

[spare cloud]

Than Crusader maybe, but still above average. Drake has lot of big VTOLs.

[next idol]

reclaimer vtol B )

[covert dome]

fair

[next idol]

when they do the new flight model it will change so much howyo use the ships, most of them are so no ready for athmosephere xD

[torn canyon]

for sure, seeing those huge bricks struggle in thick atmo will be wild

[next idol]

the ones that look more like a plane should be good I think

like corsair

[grand shuttle]

I mean, the caterpillar has a giant asymmetrical wing too.

[olive gull]

Clipper is asymetrical aswell, a mini-corsair

[keen garden]

Flying a herc (and anything bigger) in atmo on large high gravity bodies feels like your moving a big ship, the issue is it currently doesn’t really account for a ships ability to counter gravity in all directions

Like a herc shouldn’t be able to nose down, when it’s not in vtol it should struggle to hover, etc

Currently when you go into vtol you can actually become more unstable

[covert dome]

interesting, I found VTOL stabilized a lot more

[keen garden]

Somewhat of a per ship thing

The cutty for example has this weird listing issue when you run out of boost when boosting out of a big atmosphere vertically with vtol

It’ll start nosing up (or down? I forget) while the boost is recharging

I’ve had cases with other ships where in vtol it’d start sliding horizontally, when it doesn’t do that not in vtol

just a balancing issue, the sliding bit is probably the way it should be, if you aren’t perfectly horizontal your side thrusters don’t have the thrust to counter gravity, so you slide the more you are not horizontal, etc

It’s… something that is very well implemented in space engineers 1, where if your thrusters aren’t enough to counter gravity for your given mass, you slide, can’t nose down without proper retro thrust, can’t hover upside down without proper upward thrust, etc

[next idol]

yeah, its per ship case

[covert dome]

how's vtol with a single throttle and stick feel?

i've only used it on MNK and i'm sure using keyboard for it is just a different experience all together

[grand shuttle]

Does the current flight model account for atmospheric drag and how aerodynamic a ship is? It would be neat if something like a c2 actually felt like it was using its lifting surfaces

Now im wondering if there will be atmospheric-only ships at some point for planetary traffic.

[keen garden]

It fakes it

Lift isn’t in place yet, I’m sure that’ll be faked too, but they can get close enough and my understanding is that’s the direction they are going

[covert dome]

It's one of those mechanisms where I'm concerned that gameplay will feel more sim and less fun, but I might be wrong

SC has the distinct difficulty of balancing those factors, IMO

[spare cloud]

Nah you're right.

[covert dome]

it's always aimed first and foremost as being a space sim, but they have to account for fun too IMO

otherwise people won't buy the game unless they're like, hardcore sim nerds, which is a niche all its own tbf

[spare cloud]

No fun, just new powercreep ships and ✨ realism ✨

[covert dome]

powercreep IS fun tbf

[next idol]

I wopuld not have any problem with that if they at least deliver any sim feature other than being on a thing that resambles a ship

[covert dome]

for the ones using the powercrept ships

[spare cloud]

Ah yes

[covert dome]

not the ones using the reclaimer 🫠

[next idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215797717394002000/1415765891127316580/IMG_0901.gif

[covert dome]

it's just incredibly funny to me that they somehow manage to both release powercreep AND broken shit in the same ship

MOTH I'm looking at you

why are you so good at salvaging and yet so insanely broken it feels bad to use

[next idol]

because they dont play the game

[covert dome]

amen to that

its okay drones and modular ships will save everything /s

soon ™

[spare cloud]

Not even about not playing the game. Has nothing to do with it regarding the MOTH.
They're just pushing unfinished stuff.

[verbal tangle]

At least buying the moth satisfies the monthly tribute to our Lord and Savior Croberts.

[covert dome]

i'm not buying it until my CCU chain is done I think

there's so many abandoned ones I can always harvest one to use for myself if I really want kek

[verbal tangle]

Better find another source of tribute then lmao

[next idol]

if you play the game and are into salvage and then you have updates regarding salvage and then a new salvage ship and play the game, they would fix the problem on a hotfix

[covert dome]

i susbcribe

[verbal tangle]

Hmmm is this sufficient though? lmao

[covert dome]

lmao, good point

better buy an idris

or better yet, the BMM

[next idol]

im glad I have the reclaimer tbh, useless design but at least it works xD

[covert dome]

i have one in game

not a chance in hell i'm spending a dime on it unless the game eats it, or the quirks get ironed out

[verbal tangle]

For every BMM sold over an Idris they release another unfinished ship

[covert dome]

not being able to undock from most stations for me is a non starter

[verbal tangle]

💀

[covert dome]

true, i should buy a BMM and a Galaxy

the holy trinity of useless until proven otherwise ships are the BMM the galaxy and the pioneer

like, unless CIG makes some serious headway with those game mechanics, not a chance I'll even have an inkling to get any of those

honorary mention is the paperweight that is the genesis starliner

[verbal tangle]

E1 Spirit has some argument about that.

And most Origin lineups

[covert dome]

I haven't ever looked at the E1

luxury Spirit?

[verbal tangle]

Yeah its the Spirit without A1 bombing or C1 starter cargo grid

[covert dome]

so... a mini Jump with bigass fuckall wings for no reason

💀 the wingspan on those ships are some of the most ridiculous design i've ever seen

[next idol]

I have the galaxy in the buy back just in case

lol

[covert dome]

ffs the intrepid and the C1 would be so much better if the wingtips didn't make it impossible to park in any ship

[verbal tangle]

C1 stands for Cargo 1 (first cargo) A1 stands for (Im an A-Hole for using this to grief people) and E-1 stands for (Error what purpose does I server)

[covert dome]

i have a starlancer to galaxy for when the ship drops and the price jumps, otherwise not interested

E stands for Expensive Paperweight

890jfc why

[verbal tangle]

This was the point I made with "most Origin lineups"

lmao

[covert dome]

yeah, i figured

the only origin ship i like is the little one, x8 something

instant claim, zippy enough to get from station to station, and 2 seater

otherwise, why would I own a luxury ship for no reason

[rough haven]

I wouldnt say the MOTH is really powercreep except in the cargo carry capacity.

[torn canyon]

yeah true but the cargo grid is massive, just watch the landing gear bugs

[rough haven]

I expect a whole lotta power creep when they work on the Reclaimer

[covert dome]

probably a price bump too

[rough haven]

yup price bump to $500 AT LEAST!

[next idol]

Origin ships are easiest the last ones that will be developed with any game loop

as thy cant even make npcs that are just walking in the statios not to act dumb

[torn canyon]

lol yeah they are basically just expensive touring pods for now

[next idol]

and the funn y thing ios that most of them need a rework

theya re full of visual glitches and also bad interiors

[torn canyon]

the 600i rework is the big one everyone is waiting for, should be sick

[next idol]

Im sure they will make it right but iiirc its like, not even started

[verbal tangle]

Bathroom thoughts, E stands for Existential Crisis. If you buy this ship, you either are in one or about to have one.

[next idol]

did they patched putting the PDCs from the greycat on ships?

or now they sell them as ship parts?

[covert dome]

accurate. BMM stands for Barely Mentioned Material that we get glimpses of once every year

[verbal tangle]

Didn't know this was a thing to need patching. So idk honestly.

[rough haven]

isnt there a matrix of released vs unreleased ships?

[next idol]

I have ballisti pdcs from before in the base inventory but now I cannot put them so maybe they patched it

[spare cloud]

!ships ⬇️

[jolly dagger]

Star Citizen Ships

• How to [buy](#🍼┃learn-to-play message) / [rent](#🍼┃learn-to-play message) in-game?
• Where to buy / rent in-game?
• List of Pledge Vehicles (prices) / Loaners
• Flyable Ships Catalogue
• Ships Performances Viewer
• Ship Prices Viewer (3.22.1 vs 3.23)
• Starjump Fleetviewer

[rough haven]

I'm guessing the Arrastra is going to be the next industrial ship released.

[spare cloud]

You wish.

[verbal tangle]

Didn't specify soon, just "next"

[spare cloud]

Well that's even more wrong.

[rough haven]

which ship would be next then? a new one entirely?

[verbal tangle]

What would realistically be before Arrastra?

[covert dome]

galaxy

[pearl juniper]

Ironclad

[rough haven]

(although this is probably the most likely correct answer)

[spare cloud]

Galaxy, Hull-B and Railen should be coming out this year. Ironclad too.

Arrastra is likely not coming out before the Expanse.

[covert dome]

IC's the one for sure coming, then Galaxy

[verbal tangle]

I don't really count Galaxy and IC as industrial.

[rough haven]

I guess I should have specified non-hauler.

[pearl juniper]

It's a giant ass cargo ship, how is it not industrial?

[pearl juniper]

ahh, fair

mining/salvage you mean

[verbal tangle]

this

[covert dome]

If both get modular slots, and those modular slots let you mine or do other stuff, then yeah it's industrial

[spare cloud]

Also that. There are currently 5 unannounced ship in production, and there will be more, that have high chances of coming out before the Arrastra.

[verbal tangle]

I don't count hauling when I say industrial

[pearl juniper]

You are probably in the minority in that, just sayin

[verbal tangle]

But they aren't dedicated is why I don't really count them

[covert dome]

^

[rough haven]

I guess there is space for more medium sized Salvage/mining ships

[verbal tangle]

Entirely fair, but just clarifying.

[spare cloud]

But again, aside from my list of haulers above, there's still the Expanse waiting to be worked on.

[covert dome]

wtf's the expanse

haven't heard of that one

[rough haven]

https://starcitizen.tools/Expanse

[covert dome]

goddamn that thing is ugly

[rough haven]

yikes single seat too!

[covert dome]

oh it's MISC, no wonder

really interesting that it's made to refine ore

[verbal tangle]

The little bit I've heard, genuinely expect Arrastra to hit before expanse.

[spare cloud]

Concepted a very long time ago, when salvage refining was but a vague dream in one's mind.
It's likely that every refinery specialised ship eventually turns out to be capable or refining salvage too.

[verbal tangle]

Not saying the expanse isn't a thing, just from conversations I've heard I expect Arrastra will launch before it.

[spare cloud]

"Conversations"

[verbal tangle]

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong

[spare cloud]

If it's not roadmad or SCL/ISC, it's probably not a thing.

[verbal tangle]

Yeah I mean it is purely conversations with other players. Not trying to sugarcoat it or mislead lmao

I'm just saying based on everything I've heard, I expect Arrastra before Expanse lol

[covert dome]

surely we get ironclad in march /s

[verbal tangle]

Maybe if you're a good Star citizen pledger, it will be ILW

[covert dome]

so i should buy the moth is what you're saying

[verbal tangle]

That's what I said at the begining, MOTH honors your tribute to Croberts

Am really genuinely excited to see Ironclad, but I need more info before I'd pledge it.

Too much ship for me personally

[next idol]

hope reclaimer gets a refinery

[spare cloud]

It's good you precise it cause yeah, that doesn't mean anything without solid bases.

A lot more people are craving for the Arrastra than for many other ships, let alone the forgotten Expanse only twelve peeps care about. And with people doing what people do, you hear about it more, with harder coping and everything that comes with it. It's just an echo bubble.

Realistically, we don't know anything about CIG's plan for refinery ships.
There are three possibilities :

• CIG releases the Galaxy without the refinery module, then releases the Arrastra with everything that comes with it including its refinery (and probably Galaxy gets its refinery module in the process.
• CIG releases the Galaxy with its refinery module, and the Arrastra comes next a year or so after.
• CIG go as they've been doing lately, and release a brand new gameplay with a ship that plainly represents it and embraces the career. They release the Expanse, and Arrastra may come after a year or two.

Any scenario with the Arrastra releasing is as likely as the Hull-D and E releasing with the Kraken or Ironclad. It's not.
It's a ship that requires more than just one new feature like refinery. It's also coming with a lot of movable parts, new mining heads and new rock sizes (that a MOLE could only dream about cracking). It's a lot of thing for a single ship.

Arrastra has the Expanse and MOLE, Hull D and E have the Hull C...
Any ship that has alternative that are "better" representative of its career and aren't needed to implement new techs isn't meant to come out before StarCitizen 1.0.

[covert dome]

Wait a second - castra exists as a system?

[spare cloud]

Next planned system.

[covert dome]

Oh I see castra and Terra mb

I’m surprised to see it there over Magnus

[verbal tangle]

Entirely fair, and good points

[rich berry]

Personally i believe that the kraken will come out next year. Due to the ongoing progress, and the average 18 months for big ships.

[covert dome]

Kopium

[spare cloud]

Yeah, that's reasonable. Will probably come out between IAE this year and IAE next year.

[grand shuttle]

If the ironclad assault is going to add ship repair functionality, what else is needed for the kraken?

[spare cloud]

It's a repair bench. For detached components.

[grand shuttle]

if it doesnt repair things like armor isn't it kind of useless?

[spare cloud]

I think I recall the repair bench being cancelled and changed to "that ship can repair ships in its hangar" à la Crucible kind of thing.

I'll try to look for it, don't take my words as granted.

[grand shuttle]

The wiki mentions specifically "refuelling, repairing, and re-arming" but the citation they give for that isn't anywhere near that specific.

[left ore]

I believe the repair / refuel was for ships in the Ironclad too, not just vehicles.
Can't wait for mini mobile base.

[spare cloud]

@mighty orchid do you know ?

[mighty orchid]

not interested in Crucible so dont follow closely, cant say for sure

[spare cloud]

ICA actually.

[mighty orchid]

ah, yeah
got it now in the context
cant remember I've heard this

either way, it was specifically said that repair bay do repairs
can assume it wont work on stuff that dont fit into repair bay

[rough haven]

I wonder how they will implement the crafting update, because its not like we are going to have stations of our own we can populate with kit. Crafting out of your hangar is probably going to be a pain in the ass.

[keen garden]

Eh, just bring the crafter up the elevator, craft with it right there, send it back down

It’ll use stuff right out of the hangar inventory if the preview and dev statements are anything to go by

[warm lava]

So i have rented a miner but the cargo 0.00/0.00 anyway i can fix that

[keen garden]

Have you use it yet?

[warm lava]

Not yet

[keen garden]

Usually that’s just a visual bug that fixes itself

[warm lava]

Got it thank you

[red sierra]

does anyone have a link to the chart the shows the mining laser combos and how big of a rock you can break

[pearl juniper]

#industrial-professions message

[buoyant cedar]

does anyone know if levski cargo hauling just isn't working at Levski right now? i'm inside the square, but it won't start the transfer

I picked up the cargo just fine, but now I can't get it to unload.

[agile oyster]

It’s depends on the shard

It doesn’t work on some shards

[wind pilot]

When it comes to mining, is the prospector still the best single seater miner?

[regal tide]

I keep getting inert meterial left behind in my mining bags after I refine is that a bug or can be fixed?

[wind pilot]

Sell at refineries to get rid of it @regal tide

[elfin rune]

Someone having issues with the hermes tractor beam? Mine doesnt work at all, cant access to it

[wind pilot]

Did you give it power?

[plain silo]

UGH i'm just trying to live a quiet life on hurston in my RAFT doing some hauling contracts and some random guy starts shooting me out of nowhere...

it is actually so annoying

I play this game to have a chill time, I don't play in Pyro for a reason, i cba with this

[elfin rune]

yes, it had power and all, just the " turret " button doesnt work, the whole console works

thers 3 buttons, i only can see or use 2

[rough haven]

yes, I believe that unless you want to deal with Musical Chairs, Prospector is the go to solo mining ship. Fit it out with ORE bags to get up to 48SCU of onboard storage.

[wind pilot]

Yeah, planning to use the 12 scu bags

Just trying to figure out if I want helix or hofsted head

[spare cloud]

Helix.

[wind pilot]

Which modules?

[spare cloud]

Rieger-C3+Surge is good, double Surge works too if you're comfortable with active modules, but means you're pretty limited without using them.
Else, double Rieger-C3.

[wind pilot]

Yeah never used active before

Time to change that

[hidden garden]

@wind pilot prospector holds more, but you need to do the bag swapping thing

[spare cloud]

It's pretty simple to use, but is short. You could need to use multiple charges for one rock.
It refills when you repair.

[wind pilot]

Alright, sounds easy enough

[wind pilot]

Thanks! 🙏

[hidden garden]

Hey zorgh you told me the convo was here

So I said the thing here

[spare cloud]

#industrial-professions message

[hidden garden]

Well now it's twice as important since it was said twice

[spare cloud]

Nice try tho

[hidden garden]

I should try mining again

Last time I did it with a cutty black as my only transportation for the completed orders

[elfin rune]

the TDDs cant find my cargo stuff

[spare cloud]

Levsky ?

[elfin rune]

lorvile and orison

ive unloaded all the cargo

just to check

[spare cloud]

What is the cargo ?

Screenshot of the terminal ?

[elfin rune]

distiled, meds

going back to tdd, now its in the city, i hope i can sell now

did the same yesterday, zero issues

idk

and the hermes tractor beam doesnt work,no matter if i claim a new one

[covert dome]

i was having TDD sale issues at Levski yesterday too

i'll check again today see if it's still not seeing my cargo

yup still having the issue

[red granite]

Do you store the C2 from the hangar ASOP and wait for the entire lowering animation to finish before calling the elevator?

[covert dome]

yup, i've sat in the hangar until it fully got stored a few times now

[red granite]

Do you notice a pattern with server FPS and/or population?

I'm seeing delay in some things when sFPS drops below 20 and server (local not total shard) gets above 50ish players.

[covert dome]

Levski unfortunately is always laggy, so I haven't been able to notice any difference. I can try server hopping to see if one with less lag / pop works though

[red granite]

server FPS not your fps

levski should be a steady 30 though, server doesn't have to do jack there

probably not related then

[covert dome]

loading in general in levski is ass, i haven't checked the console to see what the server is showing though, I can do that

I could also try flying to one of the othe rstations in Nyx and see if it shows up there, would answer my question if its home planet related

Levski's unfortunately also my selected home base, and I know there's been reports of home hangars having problems too

the other thing is that this happened after Levski decided to 'eat' my C2

as I was landing, it auto-checked in the ship

so i was suddenly on the hangar ground

this has happened on takeoff to me too in the reclaimer, was about to leave the XL and was suddenly on the ground dead

[red granite]

did the C2 have the cargo inside still when you retrieved it afterwards?

[covert dome]

yup, it did

was like it had been checked in

[red granite]

Do you get the same sell terminal bug showing empty ship elsewhere?

[covert dome]

that's what I'm on my way to check

all 4 terminals at Levski were the same

I work in IT, so I like doing these kind of bug fix verifications

more fun than dealing with a SaaS anyway

[red granite]

I'd imagine it's possible the ships disappearing and the sell terminal not being in sync with the ship state may be effects of one underlying issue
I've only used sell terminals in Stanton, without any issues, on healthy servers and haven't encountered this bug myself

[covert dome]

the cargo is still there at least

full 696 grid

[red granite]

have you tested sending a box down the FE to see if that shows in the sell terminal?

[covert dome]

I haven't, let me give that a try just for kicks

[red granite]

maybe just direct from ship selling is borked...

[covert dome]

i will cry if i have to unload 696 1SCU boxes by hand

2M aUEC worth of scrap

OK, added to warehouse

lets go check

gonna fully store the C2 as well

how do you check the server FPS? I can do that as well

C2 still showing as empty

goddamn it, levski shows it

so its selling from the ship that's borked

[red granite]

[covert dome]

i'm gonna fly my ship to another station and if i can sell there, it confirms that it was the weird check in that fucked the C2 I think

[red granite]

r_displayinfo 2 in the game console

[covert dome]

and if not, well, i might hire a crew to help me unload this thing

what's the command for the game console again?

[red granite]

the key above TAB and left of 1

[red granite]

now paste in #industrial-professions message and press return/enter

[covert dome]

i did, that's what it gave me

[red granite]

close the console

[covert dome]

ah there we go

[red granite]

then look in the top right corner

[covert dome]

yeah looks like its 30

[red granite]

as expected sFPS 30, which is awesome generally. But for attributing poor server performance being the cause of this bug means the issue is deeper

[covert dome]

i'm curious if it's just the C2

i might try manually loading another ship with the cargo and checking it in

[red granite]

toss a couple boxes on, good idea

[covert dome]

figure it should eliminate that all cargo unload from ship is borked that way

[covert dome]

welp

its the C2

[red granite]

or is it "the ship that got auto stored and dropped me on the ground"

[covert dome]

HUHH

[red granite]

progress!

did you unsnap 1 SCU and snap it back on?

that actually makes sense, you'll have to resnap the remaining boxes though. maybe just do a few to test

[covert dome]

😭 i didn't, but i think i pulled at an SCU too low and may have unsnapped a row?

what the helli

[red granite]

sucks it's 1 SCUs

[covert dome]

it shows it but it doesn't sell it

[red granite]

probably because it's surrounded by non-resnapped boxes?

[covert dome]

ugh god

does that mean i have to resnap a whole grid

wonder what happens if the boxes aren't snapped at all

[rough haven]

"makes explody noises in the direction of Faelproof"

[covert dome]

my poor brain

[rough haven]

unloading 696 scu is nothing... we pulled 1600 out of a reclaimer!

[covert dome]

key word is we

[rough haven]

doing it solo in a reclaimer would end me

[covert dome]

i've done it solo in a reclaimer

[rough haven]

not 1600 scu

[covert dome]

no lol that would be hell

[red granite]

this should work, last confirmed personally in 4.2 though
-# Your mileage may vary. Terms and conditions apply.

[covert dome]

i might just go full wreckers ralph one of the grids and see if they sell then

[rough haven]

in much the same way CIG doesnt respect our time in a MOTH the Industrial Q&A is late starting....

[red granite]

you'll likely have to unsnap every single box, (just the bottom will get the whole column stack of 4) for the C2 grid to be resynced

if it's new from CIG stay away

[rough haven]

they just bumped it back an hour

[covert dome]

okay so as long as i'm unsnapping the bottom columns it should do for the whole grid right

will give that a shot

CIG, give us an air cannon please

so i can just point and boom

[red granite]

not grid, column, floor to ceiling of 4 SCU total

[covert dome]

yeah, so per column

[rough haven]

@covert dome I just noticed that you have 696 1 SCU crates...... oh gawd WHY!

[covert dome]

commodity

[rough haven]

you can buy them bigger I'm sure

[covert dome]

max value out of the C2 is 1SCU boxes at 696

[rough haven]

cant you buy 32s and then fill with 1's at the end?

just in case you need to move them by hand.....

[covert dome]

i mean, you can, but then you'd have to buy two stacks

i tend to just drag the whole slider

if this continues i'll definitely have to start doing that

[rough haven]

how much time did you save muahahahahahaha

[covert dome]

well, have you seen how the C2 grid works

[rough haven]

yeah its sucky

[rough haven]

I was doing an operation filling up from a Reclaimer

that grid doesnt show just how annoying it is in reality

[covert dome]

correct

reclaimer grid is a menace, i just stack

toss box, move

[rough haven]

yeah but even getting the boxes out is a pain, open to poop shoot and just lob them down, and then spend too long unsticking them when it didnt fall right

[random patrol]

Thats why you dont unload the reclaimer alone

[covert dome]

what is this black magic

[random patrol]

1scu boxes in a c2

Thats some dedication there

[rough haven]

"I'm a C2 Cargo Mover, if you see me running try to keep up"

[red granite]

welp you have to move every box individually confirmed. grid is borked

[random patrol]

I hate just unloading a vulture with 1scu's

[red granite]

I'd just blow up the C2 and start over tbh

[random patrol]

Or offload all of it

[red granite]

better idea, QT away and bedlog

[random patrol]

[red granite]

and then thank me

or tell me I'm wrong and curse

solid 60% chance that works though

[rough haven]

@random patrol I remember the good ol'days stacking 25SCU in my Vulture, soooo glad I upgraded to the MOTH.......

[red granite]

bed log might not work now that you've un-snapped some boxes though

yeah, just blow it up and move on would be my plan

[random patrol]

Moth is life now

[covert dome]

LOL

i'mma see if breaking up the grid like I just did lets me sell, because at worse then i just have to break up some of them until they all sell

[elfin rune]

Hello, i had to unload the cargo manually, no tdd terminal in 3 cities detected it

[covert dome]

were you also on a C2?

buggy af

[elfin rune]

No, a hermes, but 500scu

[covert dome]

oof

[elfin rune]

Did you fix it?

[covert dome]

nope, i broke a whole row of boxes and they still wont sell

so i might try the qt away and bedlog thing

or just sit here for an hour and yeet boxes into the elevator

yeah fuck it i'mma just do that

[elfin rune]

Atls recommended

[covert dome]

assuming my atls doesn't fling itself through the floor again

[elfin rune]

Haha

[covert dome]

would be nice if you could call it up using a freight elevator

[elfin rune]

You can, the atls

[covert dome]

oh

[covert dome]

goddamn, finally figured out how to use the ATLS properly and I'm never using a maxlift again wtf

[verbal tangle]

I give it a week.

I love the ATLS don't get me wrong but I still prefer the maxlift about 75% of the time.

[grand shuttle]

Do you know to use freelook too? Makes it even better.

[verbal tangle]

Its not that I think ATLS is bad. Just prefer flexibility of being on foot with range of maxlift.

Sniping a box and chicken-whipping it in 2 seconds to see it careening across the hangar is peak enjoyment

Especially if I manage to smack my Amazon Simulator buddy with a box flying Mach Jesus too.

[rough haven]

industrial Q&A was a nothing burger

[grand shuttle]

Did I miss it?

[verbal tangle]

Confirmed fix for MOTH when?

[limpid sluice]

Pretty sure they already said for 4.7, didn't they?

[verbal tangle]

Yeah but I can dream I wont need to wait a month for i

[covert dome]

Not for 696 boxes you don’t

[verbal tangle]

You wont catch me dead in a PukeWhale, so why would I be carrying that many boxes.

[rough haven]

confirmed MOTH patchs are 4.7

[covert dome]

wtf is a pukewhale

[verbal tangle]

C2 Hurc 🤢

[covert dome]

we can't be friends

[rough haven]

everytimes I land that damn ship its bobs its head like its trying to puke in a bucket

[verbal tangle]

Yeah I know I can dream

[verbal tangle]

I much prefer the catepillar but needs some CIG-lovin.

[covert dome]

caterpillar over C2 is wild

there's no way you prefer the maze ridden thing

[rough haven]

I much prefer not having to move that much shit or fly a ship that big.

[verbal tangle]

First of all, I love Drake's interior designs, no joke. Feel very firefly reminiscant.

[rough haven]

I'm a medium ship kinda guy and I dont have an issue with that.

[verbal tangle]

But I do agree with this.

[rough haven]

I love the interior of the Corsair, but fuck flying that thing.

I think Asgard is about as big as I would go.

Taurus is too big

[verbal tangle]

But Asgard just ain't got no soul

Taurus too big is a bit of a wild take. Its a medium ship

[rough haven]

it aint got no soul but its packing heat in the form of a ballistic equiped Centurian

[verbal tangle]

I prefer Aquila for connies

[rough haven]

Taurus is too big for me

you all can scratch your own itches ;-P

[verbal tangle]

I mean I wasn't gonna try to change your mind, just saying I like the Aquila more and it is by definition a Medium ship lol

We both don't like the Hurc so we can be friends still 🤣

[verbal tangle]

I mean that picture doesn't prove Connie's aren't medium