industrial-professions

[elfin rune]

Or anyone with the new ship?

[keen garden]

My hope is they’ll eventually get around to balancing ships with overlapping roles in an industrial setting to not make all smaller ships more or less pointless

[verbal tangle]

Ship will likely dump in later. Update was background stuff prepping, full release will likely be later today.

[keen garden]

Like, if the arrastra can easily mine anything a mole can, why would I take out my mole, the same issue exists with the reclaimer, why would I take out a fortune or vulture (or the new medium salvager) when the reclaimer can scrape all the same ships faster, producing more rmc per minute of laser operation etc

[long frost]

Me likey

[keen garden]

Smaller salvagers should be able to compete with a reclaimer (in terms of crew in use) when salvaging smaller ships. In other words, running 2 vultures shouldn’t be miles behind what a 2 player reclaimer can do

I liked the 20% balancing in cargo hauling, where bigger more bulk operations are better, but not so much better that there’s no value in smaller contracts (but, sure, bulk currently is a bit too low profit)

[spare cloud]

Operating costs of large ship is expected to get very high, most likely with fuel and repair prices.

With that in mind, it doesn't sound bad to me that a 2 player reclaimer would do much better than two Vultures.

It'd be largely compensated by the operating costs.

[keen garden]

More or less, I want a reason to fly these smaller ships that I own

(In game value)

It’s more fun to fly a fortune/vulture solo, but when I do I’m giving up like 5x profit

[elfin rune]

I hope will be around tonight eu, thank you

[keen garden]

Ditto for running the mole currently as opposed to running my prospector

The prospector can’t break the bigger rocks, and the mole just completely outclasses it even when solo, if there’s surface locations I can mine with it

Once I have an arrastra why would I ever take out a mole

In ship combat this asymmetry doesn’t really happen, sure people with an idris can take it out and enjoy a bit more of a standoff stance, since it takes so much more to get into it, but they don’t really get much of an advantage over smaller solo ships, in terms of what they can accomplish in an hour

If anything it’s lower

[verbal tangle]

Major updates (like when 4.6 went live) are usually about 5 hours from now local to my time zone. Translate that to your time zone, you have a good estimate. But this one I'd imagine is sooner cause iirc its not a major feature update, is more of a mid-cycle patch.

[verbal tangle]

It stands for Multi-Operator Targeted Harvester 😉

[thick folio]

Do we know what the cargo grid layout for the moth is?

I imagine similar to the RAFT?

[verbal tangle]

As far as I can tell its a RAFT + cargo elevator

But not 100% sure

[grand shuttle]

cargo grid layout can only fit 24 scu crates, not 32

[jolly plover]

Is scraping plates faster than whole ships for a vulture?

[grand shuttle]

its also got a big divider so you cant just load it from underneath like the raft.

[long frost]

I thought you unload it mostly😅

8 x 24 scu crates

[keen garden]

Plates will be more consistent

[grand shuttle]

i mean, its got the same cargo cap as a raft + interior to carrier an atls....

[keen garden]

One isn’t faster than the other, unless there’s a significant travel time difference

With plates you aren’t relying on contracts or traveling random amounts of distance or hitting different kinds/shape ships

But they’re small so you finish each piece faster, aka you don’t sit in one place scraping as much

[grand shuttle]

they can also be safer, as you can do them deep in the asteroid belts where no one will realistically find you.

[keen garden]

which… can be a loss of efficiency

[royal spear]

Did moth/mole get an interior rework at all?

Plates are faster to scrape and contain more RMC than scraping a ship's hull (aside from very large ships that you prob shouldn't be scraping with vulture).

[grand shuttle]

they specifically called out that they made the ladders and the opening aroudn them bigger so they are less frustrating, and it looks like they updated graphics maybe?

[royal spear]

based on intro video it looks like they added doors to the mining/scraping stations so you are no longer exposed to the elements when using them?

Really sad to see that moth is just 2x s1 scraper heads. that's a big letdown. They should have put s2 heads on it and just earmarked reclaimer for complete rework

ew and you can't even use dual s1 heads, it just lets you swap between the two.

[wraith tree]

So is there an advantage to this over the reclaimer but it doesn’t seem like it has a huge advantage

[royal spear]

There is no advantage at all

[keen garden]

Minor advantage

External cargo that auto prints

[olive gull]

advantage over the Vulture

[royal spear]

yeah the cargo logistics maybe

What's the largest box it can print?

[keen garden]

8scu

[royal spear]

ok not bad

but the s1 lasers are just dogshit..

[keen garden]

Im betting its going to be on par with the reclaimer once the abrade bug is fixed

[olive gull]

or maybe even used as a cargo hauler.. 224 scu is more than RAFT

[keen garden]

They’re size 2

[royal spear]

are they? Erkul claims otherwise

[wraith tree]

Like you all I’m trying to determine if it’s worth buying

[keen garden]

But like the size of the laser isn’t that important, they’re individually tuned for each ship anyway

vulture lasers are different from fortune are different from salvation, despite all being size 1

[pearl juniper]

also fills a slot in terms of in game cost, which is an advantage for many. 30m for a reclaimer vs, I would assume, a sub 10m (similar to MOLE) price for this.

[keen garden]

Nah I don’t think it’s worth buying when you can buy it in game 6 months from now

[royal spear]

I guess but from what I can see they are perfoming extremely similarly to 1 of the vulture s1 ones

Maybe that's the abrade issue you mentioned tho

[limpid sluice]

Apparently, CIG forgot to tune the values, and its all 1x

[keen garden]

It’s gonna be a fun ship to salvage in with a crew, if comparing solo vs solo you’ll likely still want to be in a reclaimer

Biggest scraper always wins

[royal spear]

The biggest thing for me is a cba to endlessly farm plates

so if it sucks at salvaging ships it serves no purpose imho

[keen garden]

For me it’s all about org op level gameplay

[royal spear]

yeah but you're not gna run org events doing plates..

[keen garden]

we don’t scrape plates, we scrape ships we destroyed on a patrol mission

Well likely use all 3 size salvagers

now instead of running two reclaimers maybe we’ll run one plus a moth

[royal spear]

I gueesss I was hoping for what it should be, a small multicrew, self contained ship.

[keen garden]

Once they fix the tuning ofc

Right now it’s not worth using the moth if it’s just three vulture scrapers attached to a single ship

But surely that’ll be fixed

[royal spear]

🤞

[keen garden]

The abrade right now runs at 0.15 instead of 1.5

[royal spear]

The only interesting factor to it in the current state I see is the fact that it's the only one that can get mid tier CM

[keen garden]

In other words the best scraper head doesn’t function correctly on the moth currently, so… any comparisons will more or less be moot till they fix it because you aren’t comparing apples to apples

[royal spear]

That's fair, I'm happy to wait and see. I really hope it isn't just on par or slightly worse than 3 vultures, which is kinda where it's at atm

[keen garden]

Could compare it with cinches beteeen it and a vulture but like, you’ll probably be running abrades in the vulture when actually in use

[royal spear]

cinches looked unusable ngl

but then again they are bad in vulture too

[wraith tree]

I was really hoping it would have some new size 2 heads from Argo that are really efficient

[grand shuttle]

So I bought the moth, go out to salvage, and the turrets all say "no power", what am I missing? salvagers have power in engineering panel and lights are green.

[wraith tree]

Do you have a power on button in the mfd of the turret?

Did the mole also get the frame and engineer panel of the moth? Like in game right now?

[grand shuttle]

yeah, found it. no idea wh it doesnt like "u" button

[wraith tree]

Because Star Citizen

[grand shuttle]

so the moth ONLY ejects 8 scu crates

the new salvage missions require 1 scu crates

[wraith tree]

It will split then won’t it?

[elfin rune]

Could some1 explain with simple words for my monkey brain hows the moth grid splitting?

[grand shuttle]

the issue is the start missions give you an avenger titan and want 1 scu of rcm back. you aren't getting 8 scu of rcm off to make a crate.

its got a vertical divider, theres a 96 grid scu to either side on external with max crate size being 24scu

[elfin rune]

96 each side and elevator the leftovers?

[elfin rune]

What?

[grand shuttle]

the new salvager contracts, where you have to grind rep up

[grand shuttle]

yes

[elfin rune]

Are you telling me that, the new salvage ship long time requested 350$ cant complete the easiest contracts because random shit?

[olive gull]

yup

[elfin rune]

Cant control the box panel like reclaimer ?

[elfin rune]

What the fk

[olive gull]

8scu boxes only

[elfin rune]

What the actual fk

Freight elevators would split the boxes at least?

[olive gull]

dont think it is intended for newbies, they should do the starting misssions on a smaller ship.

[elfin rune]

Thats like saying a big truck cant transport small boxes

[limpid sluice]

I'm sure the contract will give you any extra back as they always have with every other contract that involved material submission

[elfin rune]

I dont understand why theres no console to control it

[limpid sluice]

"Game's not there yet"

[elfin rune]

Ill miss the fabricator, really useful

Btw, why moth? Cig had the ship on a closet waiting or what

[limpid sluice]

Are you talking about the control panel to craft the boxes?

[olive gull]

check the Behind Ships vid, they may clarify the name in there, (i havent seing it yet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-GWARF2LRg&

[long frost]

is it just me or are the moth scraping heads super slow

[keen garden]

Yes

[keen garden]

It’s an intro mission for an intro ship

Go scrap more stuff if you want to do it in the moth

Or go rent a fortune/vulture

[long frost]

is that intended? 😄

[keen garden]

I doubt it

[long frost]

dayum

[keen garden]

I’m hearing abrades are 0.15 speed on the moth compared to 1.5 on the salvation

[long frost]

sounds like they missed a value by a factor of 10

[grand shuttle]

That lines up with what it felt like when I tested over lunch

[elfin rune]

Yes

[elfin rune]

This is nonsense

[limpid sluice]

Pretty sure I saw it in one of the walk thru videod

[elfin rune]

Gonna check that vid

[keen garden]

I don’t disagree that you should be able to make smaller boxes, but it makes sense from the perspective of… CIG’s current autoprint to grid feature doesn’t support mixed sizes.

Maybe one day

That day isn’t today

They hardly seem to be able to get boxes to stay on grid where the belong, with how storing a ship with cargo works and how collecting boxes from a refinery to a ship often causes overlapping boxes

[grand shuttle]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-196367

Issue link for scrape speed

[keen garden]

would love to be able to print 4scu boxes on my fortune

Or even 2scu

But mixed grid autoprinting isn’t a thing atm

[grand shuttle]

How likely is a fast hotfix for the scrape speed issue? Is that something thats going to be fixed in hours, days, or weeks?

[keen garden]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t fixed till 4.7

Mole’s bespoke lasers stayed that way the whole patch

Even though the issue was found weeks before the patch went live

[elfin rune]

Meanwhile cig fix the abrade, would you use cinch or trawler?

[keen garden]

I would use whichever “feels” best over performance

Optimize fun

So the fast one

I think that’s cinch?

[grand shuttle]

its not just an issue with the abrade, I think. The ship appears to be missing a multiplier. People are just noticing on the abrades because thaets what everyone uses.

Vulture:

Those are all 1x on the Moth

[next idol]

ooh i saw a youtuber using the new ship, so slow????

[grand shuttle]

it has to be a bug

[limpid sluice]

Apparently the values are supposed to be "Speed 3.6, Radius 1.25, Efficiency 0.71."

As per some discussions in the Spviewer discord

[grand shuttle]

That would make a fully crewed MOTH only clock in 12% faster than a vulture, lol.

[hoary hinge]

Thanks, I was trying to line up prospector/fortune, mole/moth, arrastra/reclaimer

Seems to me the reclaimer should have s3 tool heads.

[grand shuttle]

capital equivalent of the reclaimer is the orion, not the arrastra

[elfin rune]

this sounds terrible

[hoary hinge]

In terms of 3x remote turret and approximate size they seem equivalent in class, even if reclaimer has been reclassified into "capital"; CIG classifications are pretty inconsistent, I tend to run off crew/roles/length.

[grand shuttle]

As in thats the values in game, or thats what spviewer should show?

[long frost]

did anyone use the reclaimer with the hotfix? a friend and me couldn't fill up the depot

i hope it's a "us" issue

[grand shuttle]

That would put total speed at:
fortune|vulture: 9.6
MOTH: 10.8
Reclaimer: 20

Even if you put Moth square in the middle between Reclaimer and the small versions it should be 4.9 per turret, and that still feels really low.

[subtle valley]

can you not do the new intro mission in the moth?

scrape a avenger and deliver 1 SCU to a station - but the moth presumably only prints 8 SCU boxes, an amount of which it seems you can't get off the avenger?

[grand shuttle]

Moth can only print 8 scu crates.
you have to get enough extra rcm somewhere to print the first crate, turnin should give you change back

[subtle valley]

bah thought so

[limpid sluice]

Sounds like those are the values in game, but it wasn't properly linked to the ship, so bug on CIG's side

[subtle valley]

I did find a C2 abandoned, but it took so damn long I ended up carving a cock in it and leaving lmao

[limpid sluice]

If i understand it correctly

[grand shuttle]

NGL if those numbers check out im going to either refund or melt it. 4x the crew requirement for 12% faster speed and less resulting mats is really dubious design to me.

Each of the turrets should be at last be equivalent to half or more of one of the small salvager's you'd think. If thats going to encroach on the reclaimer, the answer would be to buff the reclaimer.

[elfin rune]

I was very excited for this ship. But the melt idea its flowing in my head too

[keen garden]

The primary difference should stay in cmat results, not scraping speed

[elfin rune]

Explain this please, im rusty

[keen garden]

Yeah I think I screwed up that thought hang on

[grand shuttle]

hes saying people could just break ships rather than worry about scraping them first. The issue is that the 32scu buffer is going to overflow on larger ships.

[keen garden]

So, the reclaimer scrapes ships way faster than smaller ships do. This means it is a waste of time to use it on a small ship, because you’ll be done scraping in about 2 seconds and spend 99% of your time flying instead of scraping

And that’s fine

But, imo, it should produce less rmc from any given ship than a smaller ship does

[dark tendon]

anyone having issues trying to buy RMC from Platinum Bay kiosks?

[keen garden]

So if you scrape it with a moth instead you get more total rmc, but it took you longer to get that rmc

Does that make more sense?

It gives you a reason to bring along a smaller ship to a salvaging expedition to take care of the smaller targets while your reclaimer takes care of the capital ships

Because it makes no sense to move that reclaimer to scrape/crack 10 light fighters

[elfin rune]

That has a point but makes me think the moth its in a weird spot

[keen garden]

This isn’t how things are tuned currently for rmc

I’d expect the moth to be the best choice for anything smaller than a hammerhead

[elfin rune]

Where you cant target small or big ships

[keen garden]

But…

caps are rare

[elfin rune]

You have a point @keen garden but that makes the moth a weird middleground

[keen garden]

And thus you end up just using the reclaimer to scrape large ships

Especially given hulls to scrape are more or less infinite

[elfin rune]

If you cant scrape rmc faster than a vulture, and cant eat cm better than a reclaimer, it feel wrong somehow to have a moth

Dont get me wrong i love the concept, maybe i expected more

[keen garden]

It should be able to scrape faster than a vulture, I think current tuning is wrong

[elfin rune]

Rmc scraping like a vulture + nice cargo space for cm, thats a different beast

[elfin rune]

I really really hope youre right

[keen garden]

It takes forever for a vulture to scrape a herc, compared to how fast a reclaimer does it

The moth should sit somewhere between the two

But keep in mind…

We aren’t comparing apples to apples

A solo vulture vs a crewed moth are entirely different beasts

4 people vs 1

should 4 vultures be faster than a moth? Equal in speed? Slightly slower? A lot slower?

[grand shuttle]

Even if that 3.6 value was working, 4x vultures would be 3.5x faster than a single fully crewed moth.

[keen garden]

If you’re trying to compare solo moth vs solo vulture, I think that’s a flawed comparison. It’s a fair one to consider, of course, but I wouldn’t want solo moth to be significantly faster than a vulture, just a little faster

Like maybe 10%

Then throw in a crew of 4 and you’re approaching 35% faster

[limpid sluice]

Don't forget as well, 4 vultures can't hold as much, and have to manually go print and stack boxes 1scu at a time

[olive gull]

The Moth, in its current state, is a great CARGO Hauler... just saying.

[keen garden]

For the reclaimer, I’m hoping it’s lasers get nerfed, and increased to something like 6 lasers

Then cut back on the reclaimer’s remote panther turrets

[grand shuttle]

That 3.6 multiplier math's out to precisely between a vulture/fortune and a reclaimer per-crew, if you use a 4 person crew figure for reclaimer and moth both.

[keen garden]

Yea… the pilot part is a bit of a weakness

You give up a whole laser operator

[grand shuttle]

I dont think that multiplier is even working, but even if does, that still puts a single turret in a moth at less than half a vulture
that doesnt feel good.

[keen garden]

The mole by comparison is significantly better than running multiple prospectors, because the lasers are significantly more capable

[elfin rune]

This is what im expecting with the moth tbh

Maybe im too used to mole vs prospector

[keen garden]

I think it would be balanced tbh, since for a salvage ship you can’t just sit still like you can in a mole

Not as long anyway

[elfin rune]

Well, scraping a whole ship takes time

[sour folio]

are the new industrial missions out yet?

I'm not able to log on

[grand shuttle]

they are out, but ironically its very difficult to use the new salvage ship for them, lol

[vestal ravine]

None of them apply to the AA event?

[grand shuttle]

nope.

[clever wren]

Anyone know if the moth comes with a ready grip tractor module

[subtle valley]

it doesnt have a tractor beam, does it?

[keen garden]

It supports them, just don’t know if it comes with one stock

Salvage heads usually support two modules

[grand shuttle]

Stock they are cinch and abrades

[near swallow]

The ReadyGrip Tractor Module is supported but not stock. And the way the salvage modules are listed in Loadout Manager is Left Pod, Center Pod, Right Pod.

If you have a tractor module, and the ship you're salvaging is small enough, you can rotate that ship around with the tractor beam instead of moving the MOTH around. (Same applies to the other salvage ships too, though some of them come with tractor modules stock.)

[mellow sapphire]

came back after half a year, now construction materials sell more than RMC?

[limpid sluice]

it also has to be refined at a station now too

[mellow sapphire]

ooh so like mining?

is it done at the same refining places?

[clever wren]

Yes but some places like levski give better refining values

[spare cloud]

Do we know the refinery bonuses for salvage, if there's any ?

[clever wren]

Last time I checked it was +9% at levski but this was during the first ptu after nyx was released so if may have changed alot since then especially with the new salvage and mining missions

[keen garden]

we do, basically, do it in levski

all refining, i think there's one exception

savrilium, better at a stanton station

[drifting cradle]

Am sad, been begging for a medium salvage ship for 2-3 years by now. Finally get it only for it to have exterior storage 🙁

[grand shuttle]

its got interior, in a little elevator that can fit 32 scu

and thus it can do some off-grid, even

[grand shuttle]

Do you have to do the hand-mining missions to progress past that in the shubin track?

[molten hull]

does anyone know if they chnaged salvage yeilds for refineerys? or is it still 15% reclaimer and 30% smaller ships with moth somehwere inbetween?

[atomic mortar]

Anyone else totally unable to work the bottom salvage turret on the moth? It wont do anything.

[frank pawn]

Hey, after playing a lot of combat, I want to start getting into an industrial loop, and I'm interested in mining or salvage.
Which is more fun? I'm not worried about which one pays more, I can handle the farming.

[verbal tangle]

I would say honestly its a matter of your vibe. Personally I find salvage to be more my cuppa tea, I like the vibe of being the wrecker called in to dismantle abandoned ships.

That being said, from an objective point of view, I think mining is more engaging overall. There's a bit of a mini-game to crack a rock open optimally and it takes some practice/skill.

[pearl juniper]

Mining is way more fun, my opinion. The mini game of cracking rocks, choosing which bits to take, etc. There's a lot more to it than salvage. Salvage can be kinda fun to though, but it's much simpler.

[wise stump]

Question, i have not tested this. Does material like iron or any mat persists to patches?

See if its worth going out and get some mats for the upcoming crafting

[spare cloud]

It doesn't.

[wise stump]

I was told by some it does. Like I still have my salvaged materials from previous patches

So dont know with mining. I dont do it much

[spare cloud]

It shouldn't, but it happens.
It isn't part of the LTP.

[wise stump]

Maybe if its processed it does.

And i gues hand mined is not processed. I go try tonight to next patch so I know

And try my new salvage ship. I am sad for my reclaimer

[spare cloud]

No cargo is part of the LTP.

[wise stump]

Thats why I go test it. Since its been in my inventory for the last 2 patches

[spare cloud]

Not really a test worth basing anything on, some people have had stuff that's not part of the LTP be duplicated every patch instead of deleted

[elfin rune]

Moth fixed?

[next idol]

I don’t think so?

Maybe between today’s an tomorrow

[marsh osprey]

is ROC mining now profitable? if so, what are the best places to do it

[spare cloud]

No it's bugged.

[marsh osprey]

damn, thx for the info

[next idol]

I wonder

do they have an internalk testing or soemhting?

nobody felt it was slow af?

i dont understand

[spare cloud]

It's a one number problem, it could've been injected between confirmation phase and moving it to LIVE without anyone noticing because it's such a small stuff that can happen with one key press.

[blissful yacht]

are those mining cheat sheets in pinned still current?

[spare cloud]

Most stats, and prices are, but some parts are outdated or missing.
Use !regolith instead, tho it must also be updated regarding a few things that changed this patch, it can be mostly ignored and used pretty much as if accurate.

[jolly dagger]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[covert dome]

has anyone done past the beginner salvage missions they added yet? is it just small / salvation sized for most of the beginning or do you jump to MOTH/Reclaimer fairly quick?

for reference, I do have a salvation and a vulture, so I can do RMC runs early with either of those

[blissful yacht]

bet

[covert dome]

these missions are brutal, jumped to the point marked and can't find the floating ship anywhere lol

[daring ginkgo]

My reclaimer was getting 15% yield last night. I can’t confirm for other salvage ships

[molten hull]

Reclaimer is 15% Moth is 17% and small ships are still 30%

so in terms of CM moth is only barley more worth than reclaimer but in terms of RMC once the gather speed bug gets fixed and its not like 1/5 the speed it should be it should be the fastest scraper in the game

[grand shuttle]

If the 3.6 multiplier that some people have found its going to be solidly between vulture and reclaimer for RMC, even when fully crewed.

As in, 13% per laser faster than the vulture, again per laser. So slightly more than half the actual output of the vulture per turret.

[merry cipher]

im guessing if youre just farming for yourself not sale the vulture will be plenty

[grand shuttle]

I mean, at the 3.6 number you'd still be getting out scraped by a solo vulture or fortune with 2 turrets manned. Even with 3 you'd still only be barely beating them.
They appear to be simply taking the multiplier difference total per-ship and dividing it by turret.

That means bigger crews will always be less efficient, which seems un-fun. Multi-crew should be getting a bonus, not a malus.
ie: four people in a moth or reclaimer should be outperfoming 4 vultures, not struggling to outperform 1.

[merry cipher]

im sure theyll play with numbers , piss some off while making others happy

[river cypress]

Where can you sell the new construction pieces the moth creates? I tried the TDD at A18 but it wasnt sellable there

[pearl juniper]

You need to refine it first

[merry cipher]

this is probably a dumb question ... but i havent salvaged since 3.24 ... what do you get when you refine cm now?

[pearl juniper]

CM

Without one of the descriptors on it

[agile oyster]

I’m assuming that the moth will have close to a 10 x speed multiplier the fortune is 9.6

[river cypress]

thank you I aint done salavage since its release

[grand shuttle]

It gets a 9.6 since its got 1 laser, vulture gets 4.8 (half of 9.6) since its got 2. Reclaimer gets a 10x with 2 turrets (total of 20x).

Halfway between would be 14.8, and Moth looks to have been set at 3.6, which is pretty close to 1/4 of that. Which seems to be an odd choice.

[agile oyster]

It the reclaimer has a 7.6 meter beam diameter so of the moth is 10x speed at 3.5m all 3 heads would be faster then 1 reclaimer head

[grand shuttle]

I idnt include diameter in my math because im fairly sure its not an even rate across the whole circle as center burns through first. So I'd have to do a whole lot more figuring even if I just assumed its inverse-square fall of or something.

[agile oyster]

I see
I hope the moth with 3 heads going scrapes faster the 1 reclaimer head but slower then both

[olive gull]

so much theorycrafting here...
i really doubt CIG devs give this kind of tough when they decide the values for the ship, they just see values on a DB table..

[elfin rune]

Moth fixed brothers?

[grand shuttle]

They haven't pushed anything but they are working on a hotfix, but not specified if that includes any fixes for MOTH:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-4-6-live-hotfix-central

[keen garden]

No

Just scroll down to the ship mining one, which you can do by buying boxes from a TDD

(And make bigger profit than selling back to another TDD)

[random patrol]

Moth is 20%

[grand shuttle]

Do you mean refinery yield for CMAT?

[keen garden]

Anyone find any missions from rep beyond the first tier? I reached applicant and nothing changed

For shubin

[random patrol]

Yes

I had 40 scu and the refinery job completed with 8

Thats 20%

Unless my math isnt mathing

[verbal tangle]

I think it depends on which process you use to refine.

Usually I get about 35 to 40% returns

[random patrol]

With the moth?

The different methods usually control price and time to finish...but maybe it changed

[verbal tangle]

Haven't test driven moth yet but as far as I know the refinery isn't different yield rates per ship. The variance in ships comes from getting the salvage, not refining it. Unless I'm mistaken

[random patrol]

It depends on the salvage you are getting. Moth ends up with CM "pieces"

[keen garden]

Nah diff processes definitely affect yield

But also yes the ships produce different types of raw cmats as well

[random patrol]

Ill try them later to see whats the range.

[keen garden]

Dynex is high yield

[random patrol]

Unless someone else has the concrete evidence

[verbal tangle]

To clarify what I mean, for understanding - a Salvation, Fortune, Vulture, Reclaimer, and MOTH all go to the same refinery, with the same 5SCU of CMAT. The refinery would give the same yield if refined using the same process?

[keen garden]

No, because they produce a different raw material.

[verbal tangle]

Aren't all cmat except MOTH just CMAT?

[keen garden]

Nope

[verbal tangle]

Or is CMAT what it refines into

[keen garden]

Vulture and fortune for example produce a different raw material than a reclaimer, I think one is called rubble, and the other salvage

[grand shuttle]

And Moth produces "pieces"

[verbal tangle]

ooooooh

[keen garden]

Moth produces a third type that should be between the two

[random patrol]

And reclaimer is just "salvage"

[grand shuttle]

construction material (aka CMAT) is the refined end product.

[verbal tangle]

I didn't know that meant anything.

I'm dumb 🙃

[random patrol]

No no...we all learn

[verbal tangle]

Jr Salvager here lmao

[keen garden]

It’s complicated

I can’t even recall what the refine %’s are right off hand, other than the reclaimer’s raw cmat is 15% and the vulture/fortune is above that

Whatever the middle number there is is what the moth should be at

I’m expecting 30

15 30 45

This difference makes it worth collecting cmats from ships with the properly sized salvager for that ship

Scraping at this point is pretty imbalanced, heavily favoring the reclaimer for RMC collection across all sizes

[pearl juniper]

yep, I'm sure this was the whole point. Before if cmat prices were high enough to make it even worth considering collecting it in the Vulture, the reclaimer became a totally broken money printer. This way there is a bit more balance, even if that balance isn't quite right yet.

[random patrol]

Moth is 20%

[keen garden]

One thing I hear a lot about scraping is how smaller ships have an advantage in that they can get closer and scrape in the hard to reach places, but… scraping has an aoe effect, it’s not just scraping a 2d plane

So the reclaimer may have a harder time maneuvering, but it doesn’t need to, the area of effect gets into those tight spaces anyway

With maybe a few exceptions, like the open space inside the wings of a herc

You can see this effect when you scrape the avenger for the intro salvage mission. When you are done scraping the top, most of the bottom is already scraped when you rotate around

[scarlet sun]

Any recommendations on how to load out the rsi salvation for the new mission sets

[keen garden]

Put an abrade on it?

And maybe carry it on a herc or something so you can get components off the ships as needed

[scarlet sun]

Ok

[keen garden]

Probably not the most convenient ship for those missions

[scarlet sun]

Tried to do it out the polaris last night was bit overwhelming

So put on the abrade heads over the chinch

Thanks

[keen garden]

TAC might be a decent option for carrying it around

Still kinda slow, but I think the only thing that can carry it comfortably that is faster would be an Asgard, or valk

[scarlet sun]

I got an asguard

Ill try it out

Tha kid again for all the input

[white pilot]

is there a best refinement for CMATs?

[grand shuttle]

Levski

dynex

[white pilot]

am i still gonna lose like 80% of the product? i just put 224 SCU of pieces at CRU-L1 and it says im suppose to get 44 SCU back but im betting im only getting like 10 SCU at the end if im lucky

[grand shuttle]

it says like 4,400 for yield right?

[white pilot]

4480

[grand shuttle]

youd expect to get a 4scu crate back then

[white pilot]

and that’s due to the lossage and broken refinement ?

[grand shuttle]

The yield number is in centi-scu

[white pilot]

oooo… so i need a lot of SCU to even get a good amount back

[keen garden]

yup

[white pilot]

i never knew that. thank you. now i know to stack and then refine

[grand shuttle]

Is there anywhere other than the contracts that the game generates wrecks/derelicts? The fresh server restart and all the people doing salvaging due to the missions means the usual places for player wrecks are empty.

[keen garden]

at current yield amounts and TDD pricing, cmats are still among the best sources of aUEC that isn’t player market based

Just isn’t as good as it used to be

[white pilot]

fair enough

[keen garden]

16k per SCU at the best sell locations

That means a reclaimer’s buffer full of c salvage is worth 567k

I’d imagine you can fill and print that 3-4 times an hour, then you gotta haul and offload/refine it/sell it

[white pilot]

im using the MOTH to gather CMATS as its super quick. sure i lose out on a lot and a few bugs with it. but im making it

[near swallow]

Downside of people just crunching ships up and not bothering with hull scraping, is that it will probably cause another nerf to CMAT.

[olive gull]

that would be the end of the Salvaging gameloop, for me its already done, current selling prices are just not worth my time.

[keen garden]

Hard to define what is “worth time” when you can ask in chat for money and receive billions

[near swallow]

Salvage can be profitable if done properly. I've made almost a million aUEC from 1 C2 salvage job.

[pearl juniper]

That's also because the economy is broken, credits are worthless, and there are no sinks to make people "need" money. So unless you just enjoy the activity, there's no point in doing it (it's game, this should go for all aspects of it, IMHO)

[near swallow]

And it was a lot easier then trying to stack a whole bunch of hauling jobs.

[keen garden]

But if you compare it to other game loops outside of the player market both scraping and cracking are better than most game loops

it just isn’t an easy 2mil an hour loop like it used to be

[near swallow]

I've also made around 700k from 2 mining runs, after refining and taking the ores to TDD to sell. (And I wasn't trying to get max profit for each ore type, I just went to a TDD to sell the whole lot.)

[keen garden]

Mining is my favorite loop

I like taking on the bigger challenging rocks

[near swallow]

I like variety, so that I am less likely to burn out by doing the same thing over and over again

[near swallow]

That's more then my setup would be able to handle, at least alone

[keen garden]

Broke it with a helix 2, 3 surges, and a sabir

[pearl juniper]

spicy. Would certainly be easier with 3 people if you could have one on a laser that helps with instability, but nice job doing it with two helix's

[keen garden]

1 s2 helix

[near swallow]

Arbor IIRC is the only laser that helps with instability

[keen garden]

that was a solo mole crack

[pearl juniper]

oh, sorry, I misread

[keen garden]

Impact helps a little with instability

Lancet too, but the lancet is just a worse impact

[pearl juniper]

Hofstede is a decent backup, even though it increases instability. The big boost to optimal makes up for it, IMHO

[keen garden]

I don’t like arbor because it adds resistance, but I mean… if it’s paired with a helix I guess it’s fine

[near swallow]

Arbor and Helix do seem like a planned combo

[keen garden]

I run helix + impact + hofstead for both solo and group play

Helix just for the initial crack when solo

[near swallow]

Right now, I've got Helix II with 2 x Reigar C3 + 1 Focus III in center turret, right is Hofstede with Reigar C3 + Focus III, left is Helix II with 3 x Reigar C3.

[keen garden]

I tend to skip any rock that is too small to fill the mole when solo

So… they basically all take a helix for first crack

[near swallow]

I'm not quite so picky

If something has one of the higher tier materials, I'll mine it. And often I've got multiple rocks to choose from, since I go to Cellin a lot.

[keen garden]

I like Adir

[near swallow]

I seem to find gold, bexalite, and quant fairly often at Cellin. Though one of the rocks I found in Nyx was a big asteroid that had gold in it. That was one case where I wished I wasn't already partly full, but I took what I could.

[keen garden]

I completely ignore gold

[near swallow]

The Nyx asteroids are annoying though because they spawn on top of non-minable versions of the same asteroid

[keen garden]

Not because it isn’t valuable, but because I don’t want to deal with the tiny green zone

[near swallow]

Focus III helps with that

That is the big downside of the Helix II, -40% optimum charge window size.

[keen garden]

Yup, in a group setting I’d go after it

[near swallow]

I like my Hofstede as my main laser, I only use the Helixes when I need to

[keen garden]

Just won’t solo

I keep reigers on my helix when I don’t need surges, but that’s because I’m only going for the big rocks

[near swallow]

And for that one asteroid in Nyx, I needed the left hand Helix II at full power to do the initial fracture. Though that may have been partly because of the spawning issue.

I don't do active modules because I don't want to have to change them out in the field, especially in space. I lost a Reigar C3 once trying to move it from one laser to another, in space. I've swapped modules on planets, but I'm not fond of doing it. I'd rather carry spare heads already setup, if the MOLE had a cargo area like MOTH.

[grand shuttle]

Does the game still spawn random derelicts in asteroid belts or is that not a thing anymore?

[near swallow]

Gadgets, these days, I'm just too lazy to use. :b

[near swallow]

I have no idea, I haven't found one since 3.2 era, but that doesn't mean much.

[keen garden]

The trick to swapping modules is never drop them on the ground or in space outside of your ship

On the mole, it’s safe to do it on the open elevator

[near swallow]

I know there are new panels too, but they don't seem to have much RMC.

[grand shuttle]

ah well, im sure the usual clutter will star building up at PAF sites and the like over the next few days

[near swallow]

The module that I lost, was while it was being held by my tractor beam. It glitched to the other side of the ship somehow and flew off into blackness.

[keen garden]

In the prospector… drop them inside and tractor it out the door etc

Kinda annoying

[near swallow]

Fortunatley, repair replaced the missing module

Though I had to pay for it

For a Prospector, I'd want to have multiple laser heads complete with modules, and just swap the head. (Passive modules that is.)

But I haven't bought a Prospector as of yet. I do have a Golem though, that I couldn't resist. And it's pledged while my Mole isn't.

[keen garden]

I find the prospector… interesting.

my normal advice is to use a hofstead on it

Not because it’s gonna break the most rocks, but because when paired with other prospectors or a golem, it doesn’t make the situation worse

Every helix is +10% instability, every pitman is +35% and + resistance,

And with a smaller mining ship you are more likely to work together with other ships

[near swallow]

When I got the money for a mining ship, I went straight for the Mole because I wanted the widest availability for rocks to mine, and multiple lasers seemed a good way to do that. Until my current setup though, I didn't have a use for my previous left pod lasers.

[keen garden]

Despite that advice I always use a helix

But I also almost never work in a group setting with my prospector

Because I usually just bring the mole out instead when doing group stuff

[near swallow]

Having joined an Org, I now can potentially do group mining (not just three people but a large group)

[keen garden]

I find that style mining very fun

Having transport on hand with empty bags and a bag runner for quant,

So the miners can just keep mining

[cerulean lichen]

Do any of the randomly spawned ships for salvage have a chance for good components? Or are they always the stock loadout?

[keen garden]

Unless something changed this patch, stock

[near swallow]

I haven't checked for sure lately, but I think the salvage mission ships are stock. But they can have cargo, and that can be worth money.

Doing a C2 job, I ended up bringing out my C2 to unload the salvage ship.

[keen garden]

Our biggest haul in the past year had 250scu of gold on a herc

[near swallow]

Reclaimer's not so good for storing cargo, especially 32 SCU boxes

[keen garden]

But… the mission that spawned on no longer has cargo

[near swallow]

Bounty hunting?

[keen garden]

And we fit that 250 in the reclaimer, btw

Nah, HH salvage mission in pyro

[cerulean lichen]

Dang. I was hoping to find some military components through salvage.
I try to get them solo from OLP sites but I just get swarmed by Npcs

[keen garden]

You can send 32 scu boxes up the reclaimer’s main elevator, laying horizontally front to back

[near swallow]

Salvaging military components is what you want player ships for

[keen garden]

It’ll just clip through the ship

[cerulean lichen]

Ok so I need to hunt for some abandon military player ships then

[keen garden]

Best source of military components is QV stations, the Vanduul smuggler missions

[elfin rune]

Moth fixed?

[grand shuttle]

couple of fixes staged for hotfix? but not the scrape speed
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues?openedOn=last48h&sort=vote&statuses=fixed

[cerulean lichen]

Ok so I have to rep grind out that stuff first then.

[keen garden]

Just to jr contractor

[olive gull]

does someone even reported the speed issue? all im seing are 3 reports

[keen garden]

yes

It’s been acknowledged

Sent to QA, etc

[cerulean lichen]

Well time to try and solo those nyx missions then😅

[keen garden]

My advice, gauge the targets before you jump in

Might be able to skip most of them or take them one one at a time

But it’s much easier with another ship by your side

I used my shiv for it, with a buddy running a starlancer max

[sand veldt]

Are the 700k hull-c hauling contracts back? Or will they never return?

[keen garden]

Can’t predict the future, but they’re gone atm

[river cypress]

Probably been asked before but what are peoples favorite refine method for construction mats?

[spare cloud]

Best yield methods are Pyrotechnic, Ferron and Dinyx.
From fastest to slowest, and most expensive to cheapest.

Anything else than Dinyx eats on your margin.

[agile oyster]

Do boxes still start to disappear if you put more than about 1200 scu in the Reclaimer ?

[keen garden]

it's loose objects in a... mostly unkown radius

whether it's 16 scu boxes or beer bottles

and yes

[agile oyster]

Why doesn’t the reclaimer have at least 1000 scu of grid

[hearty trail]

any one share a Solo mole load out please?

[agile oyster]

I use
Front Helix with 2 surge and a Stampede and I switch the Stampede for surge for the biggest rocks
Left Hofstede with 2 Rieger-C3
Right impact with 2 Rieger-C3 and a stampede

[hearty trail]

TY x x x

[agile oyster]

Np

[gritty quiver]

Damn. I just jumped back into my reclaimer that I have been using off and on the past half year. I realized there isn’t a single weapon rack in the thing.

[keen garden]

at least there's storage

[near swallow]

Actually, I don't think the Reclaimer has any internal storage compartments. And the way I see weapon racks is that using them as asking to lose whatever you put in them. Item Recovery T0 doesn't include weapon racks, so if you lose your ship, you lose what's on the rack. Unless you can somehow recover it.

[keen garden]

It does, in both the captains quarters and crew quarters

But I prefer to instead bring a storall up the elevator and leave it in the room with the attached airlocks

[maiden brook]

Question: Is the Moth bugged? Asking for two friends because there were unable to salvage with it. Np with the vulture but moth wasnt working.

[rich berry]

Where they trying to beak a ship?

The only bugs I know is the scraping speed and buffer size atm.

[elfin rune]

More bugs with the moth? The king of bugs

[next idol]

I think it has. It’s been a while since I was in the reclaimer but it really doesn’t have weapon rack?

[next idol]

Doing what exactly? I know the reclaimer sometimes doesn’t do the scraping for some reason, it just doesn’t turn on

Some ships you can’t break them because of the size also

[near swallow]

MOTH salvage speed is way too slow, but it does work. You can't print anything but 8 SCU boxes though, so you need 8 SCU of RMC or 8 SCU of contruction pieces in order to print a box.

And by salvage speed I mean hull scraping. Fracture/Dissolve is fine.

[grand shuttle]

To clarify: its 100% bugged. Theres a hull multiplier all salvage ships have normally thats not working on the MOTH currently.

[next idol]

Also I heard that the buffer its also bugged, its supposed to be the double than the current number

[verbal tangle]

Yeah its hopper is half capacity and its scrapping speed is dramatically crippled.

[elfin rune]

Fixed or what? The moth

[spare cloud]

No update ? No fix !

[limpid sluice]

News channels exist for a reason lol

[grand shuttle]

Just requested a refund on my moth, since everyone laughs at the notion its going to be fixed before next patch. Hopefully by the time its available for auec it will be in a better state. Lesson learned, buying a ship first day is evidently a silly idea.

[spare cloud]

It's not a bad idea if you have credits laying around just for that, but full warbond price, meh

[grand shuttle]

tbh, if they even gave confirmation on the scrape rate being a bug and said as much as "we hope to have it fixed with 4.7" id just melt and take the store credit to have and play with.

I'm far enough on the time/money arc of life to have some dosh to throw at a new hobby, its just the radio silence the grinds my gears.

[limpid sluice]

If you wanna stay up to date on it, here's the IC report

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-196367

[grand shuttle]

contributed, upvoted and followed already, lol

debating selling some gubbins on the player market to fund a reclaimer, but worried that might take some of the fun out of things. but also telling myself I was fine doing that for the moth...

[blissful yacht]

quite a while

[grand shuttle]

this a dumb question, but is there anything other than the hassle keeping you from say, putting things into the storage in smaller batches so you can do the refinery runs in parallel instead?

[keen garden]

No

[pearl juniper]

if it's mining you can also split it up by resource (assuming you have a mix). Salvage you would have to send it down small amounts at a time and start individual jobs

[keen garden]

Would be nice if we could split up mixed bags by resource

But if you have 8 bags with mixed metals A B and C and only start the refinery job with A, it’ll delete B and C

[spare cloud]

Ain't that bad, allows you to round up each time

10 SCUs of quant can become 200 SCUs doing that

[grand shuttle]

can you swap laser heads on the free fly mole?

[spare cloud]

You should be able to.

[pearl juniper]

not any more

[keen garden]

I thought that in 4.5

because it leaves raw base material in the bag if you don’t refine it

[pearl juniper]

it still gives you the warning about it, but it keeps the materials. And you can then go either sell them at the ore sales terminal, or start another job.

test it with something you don't care about, but it worked for me just a few days ago.

[keen garden]

But when I tried it, it left the iron and deleted the gold

Mighta changed again in 4.6?

[pearl juniper]

oh weird. OK, I can't say for sure what all it was keeping, because I was mostly refining all the good stuff, but I definitely got to sell the cheaper stuff

[keen garden]

Definitely wish it to work that way, I’d love to be able to setup one order per material

[pearl juniper]

might be that they are heading in that direction but it's just buggy.

I'm 90% sure I setup at least one job where I did some quantanium separate, and then still had everything else left to start another job with

[agile oyster]

Are they better places to mine ice in pyro or do most clusters/bases have a similar chance of ice?

[elfin rune]

Did cig fixed the King of bugs?

[keen garden]

Sure

[grand shuttle]

@elfin rune if they fix anything it will be noted here:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-4-6-live-hotfix-central

[pearl juniper]

sometimes

there's always stuff that is changed and/or fixed that isn't in the notes

[wraith ice]

whats the best salvage head for scraping quickly

[grand shuttle]

Most people use Abrades, but is this about Moth?

[wraith ice]

yes

[grand shuttle]

Scrape speed is flat out bugged on the moth. No ETA on fix

[wraith ice]

so all of them are normal?

or less

[grand shuttle]

Most salvage ships have a multiplier to scrape speed, someone slipped a digit on the one for the moth so its 10x slower than it should be.

As it is right now even fully manned the moth salvages less than half the speed of a vulture or fortune.

if you like the rest of the moth you can use it for munching ships, but scraping is going to be like chipping paint with a tooth brush.

[wraith ice]

thats is bad....No hot fix coming for it?

[wraith ice]

but to munch ships I need to scape it, correct?

[grand shuttle]

no news on scraping bug. Some of the other bugs are staged for 4.7, but not scrape speed yet.

Issue report for scrape speed:
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-196367

Other issues that are fixed and staged for 4.7:
https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues?openedOn=last30d&search=moth&sort=relevance&statuses=fixed

I refunded my moth for now and went back to vulture.

[wraith ice]

thank you for the help. I guess I will use it for cargo.

[grand shuttle]

Its still good for construction material salvage, just not scraping.

[wraith ice]

but to munch ships I need to scape it, correct?

[grand shuttle]

nope, you can go strate to munching.

[wraith ice]

awesome

thank you

[grand shuttle]

take a moment to contribute and upvote the scrape bug if you want to

[compact plaza]

what now ?

am i just stuck?

[grand shuttle]

you can abandon it and try it again

Does anyone know if or at what rep salvage missions start asking for s2 components? s1 components are harder to get because you can't break into single seaters....

[olive gull]

what i do is buying the components at stores to complete those missions and rise rep, havent got s2 yet, started yesterday doing this hehe

[next idol]

its a shame they are so slow to fix this issues

they really need to rethink how they manage problems, it feels so unorganized

and I think this every 2 month patch will do everything worst

[verbal tangle]

Two month window is only for content patches.

Hotfixes and bugs they said updates will roll out as ready.

[next idol]

aaah okok good then, im always expecting the worst from them tbh

xD

[verbal tangle]

So like 4.7 is tentatively crafting T0 and inventory rework, in March allegedly. The fix for the moth will launch when its ready.

[next idol]

then i hope they speed up the hotfixes if they are not going to fix everything in the next patch

are the salvage missions workign normal?

[dusty oracle]

If u had to pick either vulture or fortune what would u go with

[jovial matrix]

Fortune

I've flown them both plenty and they're both great ships, but only having to move the boxes once on the fortune (when im offloading to sell) Is just really nice

[verbal tangle]

I personally like Fortune better. 80% of its gonna be which design you like better, 20% would be which part of the game loop you wanna take a bonus in. Vulture can hold more packed absolutely to the brim, fortune has external makes unloading much faster (and it auto-fills the cargo grid when printing mats)

[dusty oracle]

So fortune does better rmc and vulture dos better cm?

[verbal tangle]

Nah pretty much comparable in that regard iirc

[jovial matrix]

They're both pretty much the same when it comes to scraping/fracturing

[verbal tangle]

Fortune - faster unloads but more frequent deliveries due to size grid.

Vulture - takes longer to unload but less unloads needed.

I personally like the futune better for convenience in unloading. I play enough cargoman in my Hermes that I don't wanna play cargoman-lite in a vulture.

[dusty oracle]

I agree with that mentality’s I just wanna jam out to some music and scrape

The fortune can munch all the same ships a vulture can correct

[limpid sluice]

I assume with missions now asking for parts to be salvaged, the vulture would be easier than the fortune in that regard

If you're doing said missions

[dusty oracle]

I didn’t even think about that

[keen garden]

You can pack more boxes in a fortune, but if you go much beyond 6 more then you can fit in grid you lose your box handling speed advantage

I’ve pushed it as far as 49

To me it feels like the vulture cracks ships faster

But I haven’t put a stopwatch to it

[torpid pivot]

anyone else unable to place refinery request at HUR L1?

[verbal tangle]

@dusty oracle tagging you too since you asked, external grid on Fortune and the internal freight elevator both have snappable grids for the components. Anthing s2 or less will fit on the grid in either ship. Vulture only superior here when dealing with weapons larger than S4. I put 3 mantis gats inside the fortune easily.

[limpid sluice]

Tbf, I havent delved into the missions yet, so I don't know what they're asking for and how it changes as missions progress, also haven't actually tried the fortune yet either 🙃

[verbal tangle]

No worries, just sharing information. As far as any missions I have information on, both vulture and fortune are equally suitable. the only salvager that would struggle for some missions is the salvation are the Salvation (lack of full cargo capacity could create troubles in component missions and the MOTH for being sadly borked UFA.

Fortune/Vulture debate really boils down to the two questions I had mentioned. Which do you like better aesthetically and what matters more between being easy and fast to unload and being able to cargomonkey the most out of your ship to make least amount of drop-offs possible

[elfin rune]

any tips to find S0 components? im lost with the new salvage contracts

[verbal tangle]

S0 are usually on ground vehicles

S1 are usually small fighters

[pastel flame]

Gotta say, after using the Moth as a solo fracturer firsthand, this thing is lovely.

Lots of little issues but it does that job very well.

[agile oyster]

Can refine from c2 with golem bags ?

[keen garden]

Should be able to, but I’ve had cases of it not working

[rough haven]

@verbal tangle what size boxes does the Fortune poop out? I'm glad the MOTH has 8SCU boxes, fewer things to move.

@pastel flame have you run into any issues with spitting out boxes evenly? I pulled 144 SCU off one side earlier (its only supposed to fit 96)

the boxes would just materialise underneath the box I moved.

Is there a speed difference between Fortune/Vulture?

[verbal tangle]

fortune and vulture are both 1 scu only

only ships printing bigger are moth and reclaimer

[keen garden]

My observation was the fortune scrapes faster and the vulture cracks faster…. But it wasn’t any kind of scientific test and it’s been 2-3 patches since then

I generally prefer the fortune, but that might mostly be due to mine having the wikelo paint

[rough haven]

I've very fond of the Vulture, especially with the Skullcrusher paint, but I've upgraded to the MOTH for now.

[keen garden]

I’ll wait till it’s in game

[rough haven]

it is in game, its just bugged to hell

scrapes at only 10% speed and the buffer is half the size it should be

[keen garden]

As in in shops

[rough haven]

hopefully by then they will have fixed the bugs it currently has

[keen garden]

Don’t see a reason to pledge this one unless I was doing it with credits

[rough haven]

I'll be dual boxing, so the MOTH makes more sense than just having a Box-bitch in the Vulture

[elfin rune]

question, in the MOTH, the boxes doesnt spawn auto? i have to leave the pilot seat to craft em?

[keen garden]

There should be an auto eject button

Once pressed, from then on until you claim the ship it’ll auto print

Occasionally you may need to hit go again, if you let it overfill such that it can’t print

[elfin rune]

mine isnt doing it

just stops printing when the buffer its empty, and i have to push the button again

[rough haven]

@elfin rune I've experienced the same issue, the auto-eject isnt auto-ejecting. I've also noticed that you can overfill the grid. https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-196665

[agile oyster]

I hope they make another medium mining ship soon

[keen garden]

I hope they finish the one we have first

[rough haven]

@agile oyster Which manufacturer do you think would do that? What hull would they base it on?

[agile oyster]

Maybe a new hull from crusader for mining/salvage
Crusader needs mining/salvage ships

[spare cloud]

No need to base themselves on any hull if it's to pull the card "BuT iT's NoT tHe SaMe HuLl So PaItNs CaN't Be CoMpAtIbLe" again

That's a good reason to riot in my book. Fuck em, fuck MOTH, fuck Asgard, fuck Fortune, fuck Meteor.

[elfin rune]

bug king needs a fix

it just doesnt autoprint,no matter which side

what a mess

[spare cloud]

Also fuck Hermes

[keen garden]

If all they did was move the mole completely over the the moth frame except bags instead of the printing area + the mining lasers, I’d call it a win

Need that cargo lift, engineering terminal, physicslized components,

[elfin rune]

the moth can chew hercules series?

[rough haven]

nope, cant chew C2

It can chew the Starfarer tho

[grand shuttle]

Locating a gubbin to sell for auec to get reclaimer: complete. pfui on the buggy moth.

yes, im aware reclaimer has its own problem, but at least it can scrape

[spare cloud]

Starfarer, are you sure ?

[rough haven]

@spare cloud for better or worse I actually own the ship and have been using it

[spare cloud]

CIG never split ship sizes in the middle before, Vulture being able to fracture everything up to size 4 included, SRV being able to tow the exact same selection, Salvation able to facture up to size 3, but never "up to this ship that's right in middle of size category"

That sounds very odd.

[grand shuttle]

Someone on the subreddit suggested that all salvage ships should be able to crack everything, it should just take massively longer when undersized

[rough haven]

imo the crack should be a nibble type affair otherwise soooo much of the material is wasted.

[spare cloud]

I think it should work like SRV.

Not possible for solo Vulture to crack S5+, but for duo or trio.

[grand shuttle]

that would make even more sense

[spare cloud]

If grouping SRVs only worked

One day.

[rough haven]

whats the biggest ship an SRV can move?

[spare cloud]

^

MSR is the largest size 4 ship.

[rough haven]

because I think it would be awesome to get a group of salvagers fed by SRV's

[keen garden]

is msr bigger than a starlancer? didn't think i twas

[spare cloud]

Starlancer is the smallest S5, with the 600i.

[keen garden]

because i've moved a starlancer

not well, but it can move it

[spare cloud]

Those two are kinda unique, being quite a lot smaller than other S5 ships, and also the only S5s with a S2 QD.

Mind you, Size 4 is the largest SRV can tow in QT specifically.

[keen garden]

Ah, i haven't gotten it to work in QT at all

:p

[spare cloud]

In space, even a 315p tractor beam can move a Hercules.

Painfully, but it can.

[keen garden]

tried to move an msr that way back during the frontier fighters event

[elfin rune]

ill check 2morrow

[spare cloud]

Try the Hercules too if Starfarer works please

I'm not surprised the Starfarer can be disintegrated, but I am that it can, and that the Hercules can't.

[grand shuttle]

Oh, I finally get the xenomorph jokes about the reclaimer

[agile oyster]

It should be like mining it should disintegrate the ship and leave a cloud of small pieces you vacuum up slowly instead of at once so you vacuum until it’s full empty buffer and suck up the rest of the cloud

[grand shuttle]

Ok, so when you land a reclaimer on a large pad, you can queue refining of cmat , right? Is that everything on the ship, or just on-grid cargo? or does it include off-grid?

[pastel flame]

I would always activate them both at once, filled up with strange happenings. Munched up a tali, valk, cat, and connie with no issue.

[random patrol]

A landing pad or a hangar? Its only whats on the grid from what I understand

[grand shuttle]

Thanks

[pearl juniper]

I don't think pad refining works anymore. I used to do that all the time in my mole, but I didn't think it worked since elevator refining became a thing. Would love to be wrong on that...

[grand shuttle]

you have to store it but its been working for me in my prospector at least

[pearl juniper]

Well if you have to store it then pad refining doesn't work

[grand shuttle]

I figured out how to dock and that evidently lets you store/refine/call
except I picked the one local station that doesnt have a refinery >.<

[river cypress]

Is it even worth hull scraping? I was looking at the numbers isnt it easier and less time to just farm construct mats then go for rmc?

[grand shuttle]

you aren't missing that you have to refine raw construction materials and you lose a lot of it are you?

[jovial matrix]

Thats pretty much it

Some of the higher-level missions will have you pick up from one location and drop off at multiple other locations, and vice versa, but its pretty simple

[jovial matrix]

Every mission you do will increase your rep with that mission provider, after you get enough rep you'll level up and they'll give you bigger missions

[jovial matrix]

Pretty much the same

Nothing I can think of 🤷

[elfin rune]

king of bugs fixed?

[regal tide]

regolith really needs to be updated it says Magda has Granite rocks and I haven't found 1 for days

[elfin rune]

Hercules series NO, Starfarer series yeah. starfarer brings 378~ scu

401 in ONE PIECE, so total waste for a moth

mine didnt break more

[spare cloud]

Tysm for testing

Think you can try the rest of the S5s ?

It's really odd CIG made the Herc impossible to disintegrate

[rough haven]

I just did a few Caterpillers with the MOTH

they break into several chunks so you can get about 70-80 out of them if the parts dont fling off too hard.

Starfarer typically spits its parts out fast meaning you only get 1 chunk instead of the 3-4

[rough haven]

and yes if you fill your grid you cant control your ship.... and putting 8SCU boxes onto the lift is painful

[rough haven]

Hammerhead is a no go in the MOTH

[next idol]

did they fix the moth or not yet?

[olive gull]

nope.

[rough haven]

MOTH is very usable for Crunching provided you dont fill either side (controls go to shit) and it fills up pretty fast doing illegal salvage missions.

I'm refining and building up a stockpile of materials atm as I dont need the ingame money for anything.

[grand shuttle]

Does Levski have external freight elevators, or auto-unloading for hull-c?

[olive gull]

Levski does have External elevators, down at begining of the rock tunnel.

[elfin rune]

Copy, will update asap 👍

[grand shuttle]

Maybe its based on total volume?

[rough haven]

nope, Starfarer is like 400+ Hammerhead is like 220

[grand shuttle]

600i is 80,886 m^3
Starfarer is 121,201.5 m^3
Hammerhead is 138,240 m^3
C2 is 151,340 m^3

[rough haven]

I was referring to total volume of Construction Materials

[grand shuttle]

yeah, I am referring to total volume based on dimensions.
Don't get me wrong, mass, volume of resulting CMAT, would all make more sense.

Maybe a better phrase would be "cubic volume"?

Can it crunch starlancer? That would be 108km^3

perseus would be 125,000

The dumbest thing would be, if it can munch a compacted hull c but not an extended one

[spare cloud]

Isn't HH 3x220 ?

[grand shuttle]

erkul says 120x72x16, sorry you meant cmat

[spare cloud]

Dang now I want to see a 220m cube

[cloud glacier]

so I buy a claim to a ship. I go to the location but can't find anything there. the mission tag disappears 10km before I reach the place and there's just no ship there. was I scammed or something?

[molten basin]

The moth isn't fixed yet? I was hoping they would fix it soon I think its one of my favorite salvage ships even with the bug,

[agile oyster]

The ship is there it’s just hard to find it’s normal for the marker to go away at 10km
At 10km point at the marker and try to fly in a straight line for 10km and look for a ship on your radar

[cloud glacier]

okay. aim there and keep the heading. thanks.

[next idol]

omg I have that helmet, I love it

[rough haven]

I just wish that mission was still in rotation, not seen it in ages. (Boarding in Progress)

@molten basin I'm currently doing illegal salvage missions in mine just crunching.

[elfin rune]

Anyone having issues with salvage contracts, ships doesnt spawn

[rough haven]

yes

I'm doing illegal contracts and many of them are just bugged, luckily they pay me so I just abadon and pick up the next one.

many of the warp in points are also bugged.

[grand shuttle]

There enough people aggressively scanning for them if you have to at to them and they are near a station someone could find them ?

[glass dust]

does the abrades still work on salvation?

[summer zephyr]

Anyone else’s middle turret on mole broken yet the 2 side ones work

It’s powered on and everything just won’t left click engage to do anything

[hearty trail]

whats your Solo Mole loadout?

[rough haven]

yikes, crunching in the MOTH and maximum refining takes forever! just dropped a batch in that will take 60 hours to complete!

(admittedly it was 3 full loads in the MOTH)

[agile oyster]

I use
Front Helix with 2 surge and a Stampede and I switch the Stampede for surge for the biggest rocks
Left Hofstede with 2 Rieger-C3
Right impact with 2 Rieger-C3 and a stampede

[summer zephyr]

I use helix 2 left 2 surge 1 stampede impact 2 front 2 surge 1 stampede Hofstede right, 1 surge 1 stampede

[spare cloud]

Always thought 2 power heads for a solo MOLE was non sense.

Why have a powerful head and a slightly less powerful head that does the same thing but worse

A power Helix and filtering Impact already cover the full range from max to 'normal' low power.
You can use the third slot for a 2nd power head, in case of crew mate joining, a 2nd Helix. Or a 'real' low power head, Hofstede + dual Focus, which can crack ROC sized rocks.

[hoary monolith]

Why is the Zeus CL 6.4M aUEC and the Raft 3.4M aUEC when the raft looks like the better cargo hauler? What am I missing?

[covert dome]

the RAFT got a massive increase in SCU

so i guess they never adjusted the in game prices to match

they adjusted the actual cost

[elfin rune]

answer to this question, the MOTH CANT break :
Hammerhead
Carrak
890
Reclaimer
Hercules Series
Perseus
Polaris

and the other bigs are mostly waste of resources, big chunks of CM, way bigger than 32

when the buffers work with 64, this will change

i hope this helps

[grand shuttle]

But it CAN break a hull-c?

[agile oyster]

How often dose ice restock at ruin?

[keen garden]

~ every 20 min

[agile oyster]

Is the stock shared between shards ?

[grand shuttle]

As in all the shards are competing for inventory, I believe so.

[agile oyster]

Got it Thanks.

[limpid sluice]

Only differs between region iirc

[summer zephyr]

where is the most profitable place to mine?

im in l1 wide forest in stanton atm

[elfin rune]

check https://regolith.rocks/

theres no " the best spot "

[elfin rune]

yes, around 180scu

really bad breaks, 1 chunk of 140

[spare cloud]

Tyvm, appreciated.

Seems to be volume based as @grand shuttle had suggested, Perseus being the smallest you can't disintegrate, just above 125k m³, and Starfarer being the largest you can, just below 125k m³.

[elfin rune]

This seems accurate. I didnt make numbers, just tested in place every " big " ship. Sadly all break in big chunks, making too small even 64scu buffers

Which makes the moth a " medium ship for medium ships " kinda thing

King of bugs. Spread the name. Registered trademark

[elfin rune]

Quick question, its been a while since my last reclaimer trip. Can i sell rmc / refine cm from the grid storing the ship or i have to unload manually and store the boxes in the station?

[rough haven]

Reclaimer cant land where there is a refinery, RMC selling should be fair game if its on grid.

we farmed 1600 CM in a Reclaimer yesterday, relatively painful experience compared with the MOTH

(yes the 1600 CM was a single load)

[elfin rune]

Thats yes or no?

GH has refinery i think

Damn it doesnt

[rough haven]

no to CM yes to RMC

[spare cloud]

Yes it can, Levsky and Pyro stations. @elfin rune

Also Reclaimer can dock now too.

[grand shuttle]

You can store and sell/refine from grid using docking too with reclaimer

[next idol]

OK so, now, what it’s better, recycled or construction material? I have the reclaimer

[grand shuttle]

Reclaimer works fine for both, and has enough buffer to hoover it all up

People land with reclainer because it's cargo grid is weird, and it can store a lot off grid. For that you have to send the crates down the freight elevator manually. That means landing, or using the exterior ones

[elfin rune]

i can dock and then sell directly from grid? hmmmmmmmm

[grand shuttle]

Yes

Dock and then store for that

[elfin rune]

orison has docking pads if i remember correctly, i could sell rmc docking at orison?

[spare cloud]

Docking ports, yes.

[elfin rune]

id like to skip the unloading phase , how could i?

[spare cloud]

Every city also has XL hangars too so doesn't matter.

[spare cloud]

If cargo is on grid, store ship, go to selling terminal, sell.

Do not do it with off grid cargo.

[rough haven]

the reclaimer grid is pretty small compared to the cabin volume.

[elfin rune]

hmmmmmmm, sounds good, ill try later. thank you

[elfin rune]

i know but if i manage to get 100scu of rmc on grid, its more than enough

ty anyway

[grand shuttle]

it can do 160 on-grid in the first cargo bay next to the printers just with 16 scu crates. Past that you have to start printing odd sizes (for on-grid)

[hoary monolith]

It seems that my ATLS GEO wont extract after removing the cargo box to empty it. What is the workaround/fix?

[grand shuttle]

Honestly for a rework if they just rantionalized the cargo grid it would go a long way. Second goal would be a grid on the primary elevator and making it a little faster. past that would be something like making a proper cargo ramp.

[spare cloud]

Get new bag for your GEO

[hoary monolith]

any way to stop it happening again?

[spare cloud]

Not that I know of.

[abstract meadow]

Any solo miners + some occasional group mining here? What's your take on the current meta for mining: Solo Argo Mole vs Golem with a carrier setup (anvil asgard, polaris, etc.) or misc prospector?

[hoary monolith]

solo: prospector, two people: two prospectors, three people: add a cargo runner or use a MOLE

[spare cloud]

If you're using a Polaris you can carry a Prosp instead

[rough haven]

how does the golem compare to a prospector?

[spare cloud]

It's the same ship with a decently worse mining head but way easier to run with a mothership

Golem can be paired with Asgard/Herc, when Prosp needs 890J/Polaris/Idris.
They have basically the same mining head, but Golem one has a +40% resistance nerf.
Prosp can use MOLE bags to carry 48 SCUs instead of 32.

[rough haven]

why the difference in support vehicles?

(is it due to fitting the ship inside it?)

[spare cloud]

It is.

[rough haven]

If you are at 3 people is the MOLE better than 2 prospectors and a hauler?

[spare cloud]

MOLE and a hauler may work too. Two power Helix will be enough for most rocks you come across, hauler pilot can join on third seat if necessary but won't be most of the time.

[rough haven]

I'm more into Salvaging, while the MOTH is worse than any other option for Power Washing(ATM), the 8 SCU containers and massive grid kinda makes the smaller ships defunct for group play.

moving a 100 1SCU boxes is just a pain.

compared to just moving ~13 8SCU boxes for the same quantity of material

[serene star]

I have this bug where it keeps telling me that there is 1 SCU remaining when it should be complete, I have tried to stop and collect but the entire process is cancelled and no material is found in storage, I have tried changing regions, but this bug keeps persisting, it is the 3rd time, 2 in levski and 1 in CRU-L1, does anyone have a solution to this?

[subtle comet]

is there any way to remove/split or empty specific ores from a mining ship's cargo hold?

if not, why not? apparently leaving them out of a refining job destroys them as well

[spare cloud]

There isn't. Because 🤷

[rough haven]

there are lots of QoL issues like this atm, same deal with left over bits in Salvage.

[grand shuttle]

figure im safe to get a 1scu store all up the hull c elevator?

[summer zephyr]

How do you haul? For a mole?

Can you remove bags in space and put new ones in?

[civic epoch]

Anybody know of a workaround for the initial Hand Mining contract not showing up? It's not shareable, so can't use that route.

[agile oyster]

It’s CSCU so 1/100 SCU left and it rounds to the SCU
There is no work around but it does not affect the yield

[mossy radish]

does anyone have a list of the payouts for adagio holdings?

[agile oyster]

Now it lets you refine 1 ore without getting rid of the rest you can set up a few orders with the different ores and sell the unrefined ore that’s not worth refining
Before 4.3.2 it got rid of the ore you didn’t select for refining

[brittle kraken]

Do the knew salvage missions get better as you rank up with Adagio? I'm Jr, Contractor and im not seeing any better ones

[subtle comet]

so I can ignore the warning saying it will discard of the rest?

also, I can't start refining orders now, any fix?

[agile oyster]

Yes
How many orders do you have refining?

[subtle comet]

I had zero. I found the issue on issue council and added my contribution to the list. Luckily there is a workaround - if you detach the ore bags and send them down the freight elevator it will start the refining job that way

[dusty nimbus]

Can someone explain the deal with the argo moth rn I just took a break from the game and came back and people are saying its bugged

[cinder tulip]

Has anyone hit max rank yet? These numbers are insane and you get less than if you'd just sold them. I'm struggling to understand where CIG is going or thinks this will go.

[elfin rune]

Yes. Buffers are half intended. Its 32 and it should be 64. Laser heads works 1/10 efficiency. Autoeject doesnt work properly and QT stop ejecting. When grids are loaded sometimes you cant turn the ship. Pilot and copilot has bugs too. I think thats all

King of bugs, the MOTH

[dusty nimbus]

Damn thats unfortunate I was looking forward to it lol

[pearl juniper]

I think they said they were intended to be more of an introduction / how to guide. IE, do a few and then just go mine on your own. But yeah, at rough calculation that's about 500k worth of materials if just sold. Maybe that's just it, they are encouraging you to move on to mining independently once you do a few missions.

[agile oyster]

I can’t believe the pay is so low
3 scu of quant is worth more

1 mil for that contract still would be too low

You can make at least 5 mil for the same amount of work selling what you mine

[near swallow]

Numbers can be adjusted if they want to, but also there is the fact that eventually there are supposed to be reputation rewards.

[grand shuttle]

if even the scraping worked as intended id probably have not refunded mine, and figured they'd fix the next eventually.

[dusty nimbus]

Yeah, any word on when they’ll fix it?

[grand shuttle]

Nope
Some of them are slated for 4.7, which will probably push into March

End of March for some of them

[gaunt jacinth]

For unverified hauling, the jobs for "getting our goods back" and having you go down to the satellite base thing for the cargo. Is that mission bugged? ive tried this contract like a dozen times and either the cargo doesnt spawn or the freight elevator doesnt work.

[grand shuttle]

No ETA on the scrape bug

Sorry kind of garbled out a little on my phone at the moment

[cinder tulip]

I mean yeah, but as is, I see zero reason to grind these out unless the higher ranks come with better perks. Was hoping someone had already hit it.

It's also quicker and easier to just buy this stuff if you're keen on grinding it fast. It's not like money is an actual issue in the game atm.

[near swallow]

Not everyone is so rich.

[hoary monolith]

What gameplay loops will work best on a laptop's trackpad?

[near swallow]

I wouldn't even try gaming with a trackpad, I'd get a wireless mouse

[red granite]

Hand carryable package deliveries

[fringe torrent]

Can CM rubble/pieces/salvage be refined directly from the ship buffer or do I need to make it into SCU boxes first?

I tried with the salvation but the ship didn't even show up in the refining terminal

now that I have 1SCU of physicalized CM Rubble the Salvation shows up in the refining terminal

[rough haven]

as far as I'm aware it needs to be physicallised

[fringe torrent]

This tracks with my test. I did notice that the refining processes matter but the descriptions for each process (Speed, Cost, Yield) are not always accurate.

• Cormack Method is listed correctly as High Speed, Moderate Cost, Low Yield and the values match those descriptions.
• Gaskin Process is listed incorrectly as Low Speed, Moderate Cost, High Yield yet the values are Low Speed, High Cost, Moderate Yield

TL:DR check the numbers and don't trust the Process descriptions

Salvage Process Values

1 SCU Construction Rubble

[loud spade]

Is there an issue with the M.O.T.H. rn? why is the scrape speed so low and the depot so small?

Even with all 3 of us running a cinch its not keeping up to the vulture at all

[fringe torrent]

Which scraping heads are installed? Depot is small for balance

Cinch is very slow, try the Abrade or Trawler

Abrades are a good balance, Trawler has a bigger area but less efficient IIRC

[loud spade]

Abrade has a 0.14 speed trawler showing .71

[long frost]

All explained here and I just scrolled up a litte

[fringe torrent]

I just used the Abrades on the Salvation and it was a great experience. Haven't tested the Cinch this patch

[loud spade]

painful

[fringe torrent]

Oof, that's a lot of bugs for the brand new ship. I'll bet that 1/10 is supposed to be 9/10 kind of like how the event medgun was 4x instead of 1.25x speed

[loud spade]

looking through issue counsil the cinche is supposed to have a speed of 1.5.... they gave it .15

[long frost]

Yep kind of sad, I was looking forward to that ship

[fringe torrent]

classic CIG

hopefully it's resolved with 4.7 in march

[long frost]

You can still munch though

[fringe torrent]

if only we had a testing universe we could run these new things through to make sure they are ready for LIVE

[loud spade]

Yea but also reclaimers can do that

[long frost]

And if cig only had a testing team to at least test the ship one time before releasing it

[long frost]

True

[fringe torrent]

do the Cinch heads have the correct value on other ships?

[loud spade]

Salvation, Fortune, Vulture and Reclaimer all work as intended

[grand shuttle]

dept is bugged, supposed to be 2x32 but is just 32. Scrape speed is also bugged, and is a tenth what it should be

[regal tide]

Are the refining stations broken my jobs seem to stop at one unit left

[glass dust]

Yes, most likely bugged

[regal tide]

Is there away to tell if a mining bag is full?

[elfin rune]

Nope

[keen garden]

Only by attaching it to a mining ship

[grand shuttle]

Someone made a reference on reddit, are people using the 890j mission for salvaging? how? I thought the goal of those was to save the ship

[pearl juniper]

by failing the mission I guess. With the rep system in the game being a one way at the moment (up, never down) thing, there's no consequence to doing that

[rough haven]

@grand shuttle board the ship, kill the boarders, drop the shields, salvage but do not crunch PROFITS!

[grand shuttle]

but... no crunch? Wheres the fun in that?!

Thanks for the answer though.

[rough haven]

I actually havent tried the crunching part, but I've done the rest

wasnt sure if this mission was still available, not seen it in awhile.

[grand shuttle]

Aren't there friendly npcs on board? Crunching would kill them right?

[rough haven]

nope no friendlies

[grand shuttle]

Ahhh, that makes a lot more sense. I guess it would just matter who the ship is tagged as belonging to then.

[rough haven]

There is also somewhere a mission to blow up a Reclaimer called "The Black Kite" this is also a great salvage target and you can crunch that one.

[pearl juniper]

Same, until I saw it last night. I'm not sure if it is intentional that it only appears occasionally, or a bug. Honestly it would make sense for missions like that to be kinda rare.

[rough haven]

my Salvage operations typically ran with 2 Vultures and an MSR for cargo.

and we'd only box into the MSR once the Vulture was full, each vulture getting a side each

There also used to be a "bug" where if you alt-f4'd when you got back you could powerwash the whole ship again

easy enough to fill the MSR that way 😄

took a long ass time though

Once the MOTH is fixed I'll replace the MSR with that for better utility.

atm the MOTH could be the cruncher and the Vulture pick the corpses.

[keen garden]

Crunching the 890j will give you a cs, for reasons

(Also there are sometimes friendlies who survive)

you don’t need to kill all the hostiles to lower the shields either, just make it to the cockpit and disable them.

This leaves the quest active, so you can freely leave and return as needed

[rough haven]

this is also true, I typically rinse and repeat rather than hold it open

but given the rarity of the mission this is perhaps more suited to its current state.

[keen garden]

I used it for my fortune vs vulture testing

Scrape one side with one and the other with the other

Generally found the fortune to be better if strictly going by on grid and scrape speed, but the vulture was more time efficient when stacking to 39 scu because it takes less effort to reach that number in the vulture, etc

because for the fortune to reach that capacity you need to shove stuff down hallways

So… solo vulture, group activity fortune

[grand shuttle]

Is there really no depth to the new salvage missions? I can't find any info from anyone on things getting to the point of requiring bigger than size 0/1, does it really not increase in difficulty or rewards yet?

[forest igloo]

Anyone a mining expert to help me with mining quant better?

[keen garden]

Dunno if I’d call myself an expert, but I’m sure I can help if a question was asked

[forest igloo]

Im wanting to get more quant out of a run i did one run and got 1 scu of quant

[keen garden]

What are you mining with?

[forest igloo]

Mole

[keen garden]

with the mole, what i like to do is run a helix 2 with a stampede and surges for getting the primary crack, and an impact with torrent/focus/reiger and hofstead + torrent/focus for all the sub cracks and extracting

Past that… you need to be able to identify what rocks are worth bothering with

A 20% quant 80 scu rock is going to give you a much worse ratio of quant than a 40% quant 80 scu rock

I tend to focus on 40% quant or better, and 80scu or better

Anything lower I ignore when solo

[forest igloo]

I have helix 2 XTR-XL and stampede on all 3 of them

[keen garden]

I also always use a sabir when cracking something with the helix, because of its tiny green window

I don’t think those xtr’s are doing anything useful for you really

It can save a little space when extracting, but it’s not going to give you a better time at breaking rocks

The mole gives you three lazers to work with, make use of them using a variety of lasers/loadouts

[hoary monolith]

Is there a workaround for the ATLS GEO not extracting after emptying its container?

[keen garden]

Not that I’ve found

I just get out and use the hand miner to loot

Some people say you can fix it by manually putting stuff into it, but that’s never worked for me

[hoary monolith]

I'm not sure if the GEO is worth using if I always need to collect via multitool

[keen garden]

I mean…

The roc doesn’t work, so it’s kinda your only option atm

The roc’s laser is too misaligned

[spare cloud]

Saw a lot of people asking if DS was working but still haven't seen any return on it.

[hoary monolith]

My option would be to do something other than vehicle mining - use the prospector or run cargo...

[spare cloud]

But using DS or GEO with hand collecting is pretty much the same thing.

[keen garden]

Yea if you’re grinding the rep, best bet is to buy ship mining cargo

No cooldown on the quests, and you make a neat profit

[hoary monolith]

The only thing I'm grinding for is entertainment 🙂 I dont really care about rep or auec - just that I'm enjoying myself

[keen garden]

(Kinda why I haven’t done it)

I’d rather geo mine despite it being less efficient

[hoary monolith]

I was really liking the GEO, seeing how many rocks I could be working at the same time, but the collecting at the end via multitool isn't fun

I might just need to consider the geo containers disposable and see if it still makes sense to do

[keen garden]

I think we’ll take the roc ds out tonight for our little org op and see if it works

how many gems can a geo hold at once

135?

[hoary monolith]

1/8 SCU

about 29k aUEC for aphorite

[keen garden]

So you’d need to go through 2 geos to complete one mission, bring 4 on a cutty and then just claim/call them up at the outpost every two turnins

Throw out the old

[hoary monolith]

I was thinking to bring a dozen or so GEO bags and swap them . The geo seems to be fine as long as it has a brand new bag each time

[elfin rune]

Cig needs to fix that, a simple bunker its 30k + CtA + Loot

[keen garden]

That’d work too yea

I wonder if there’s anything that resets the box to work

[hoary monolith]

I was hoping someone here could answer that.

[keen garden]

like a server hop

I’ve had server hops fix these issues before way back when

But I don’t rely on that often anymore because it’s a lot more work to get a crew to server hop and I don’t solo so much anymore

[hoary monolith]

so a full geo bag of Aphorite is worth 29k and the bags cost 1.2k. Still making 27k per bag without needing to use the multitool, and Aphorite is the lowest value gem I mine.

[keen garden]

and more time efficient than claiming geos

Can load them into an 8scu storall to reduce the number of boxes moved

[hoary monolith]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1mh6ggb/fix_for_the_cargo_box_atls_geo/

looks like emptying the bags before they fill might be a work around. I'll need to try that next time I play

[keen garden]

I don’t think I ever fully filled mine the other day, but maybe I did