industrial-professions

[agile oyster]

This has everything you need to know about mining

https://youtu.be/-7KyJ8NsOUc?si=lqCXxTJda0XjGBXp

[verbal tangle]

Yeah I watched that when I first got into mining, but only kinda glanced over it. Maybe give it a second look.

[fallen osprey]

Anyone interested to crew up tomorrow night? Around 8-11EST. I got one other person

If so plz shoot me a DM.

Would love to crew up.

The pay is negotiable. No more than 33% split of spaceport price. OR will pay up front 200k/hr. (Negociable)

[left ore]

You might try:
https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/502211120631775268

[fallen osprey]

Thank ya much. Was asking here because we will be doing industrial stuffz.

[fallen osprey]

Ah per the bot I cant use that😂

Since I am looking for tomorrow... or does that count for on the spot...

I think the mods just kick anyone who breaks the rules so🤗

[left ore]

You can always post tomorrow 😉
I don't think it's an issue to post here, just giving a tip.

[fallen osprey]

No I appriciate the advice.

[remote steppe]

Hull C. Does the automatic unloading work in 4.6?
It didn't in 4.5 and I was quite upset. The tractors there are no fun.
Every tractor needs an ATLS mode with holographic placement. (except the hand-held ofc)

[olive gull]

you wasted your credits on the Hul C, CIG has no intentions to fix it anytime soon, be wiser on your next ship.

[remote steppe]

I does feel like a waste. Not credits tho, in-game 15mil or whatever the price was.

[fallen osprey]

I completely agree. Every ship tractor should have one. The hand holds shouldnt

[wintry pine]

Any Hermes owner can answer a question for me? I am lining up my box to the door, just in front of the tractor beam's head position, then pressing S to retract the tractor head along the rail, but the box tether is lost and the box doesn't stay on the beam. Am I doing something wrong? Wrong key for moving? Something with settings?

[verbal tangle]

Scroll the mouse-wheel (or whatever your tractor beam pull keybind is) as soon as you hit the S key. Basic gist, you want the box to be moving with the tractor beam.

Should work fine, thats what i do all the time

[wintry pine]

ok I will give that a shot

[hoary monolith]

With a rented Prospector should I be grabbing only high value ores or anything it can break that isn't junk?

[random wagon]

Hey all does anyone have that new hand minging missions or is it gone

[olive gull]

look for Laranite, Taranite... anything ending in anite 😋

[hoary monolith]

That's what I'm used to from when I was playing last (over a year ago) with a fully kitted out Prospector. I wasn't sure if due to the limited capabilities of the rental one if I'd be better off going for faster, higher volume as there are so many rocks I can't break.

[grand shuttle]

Is there a way to disable the head bob in eva? its interfering with calibrating sabir

[umbral current]

A few months ago, I knew how to mine. Now, I can't seem to find any asteroids or mine able rocks. I tab scan, I V scan, fly around in the prospector and golem and I see... nothing? Tried relogging. Am I stupid?

[agile oyster]

Are the rocks showing a number on the scan but when you get close it’s not mineable ?

[umbral current]

They dont get marked up at all, as far as I can see they are normal rocks. I think im going to reinstall my client doesnt seem right

[agile oyster]

I think it bad dsync
the cluster is mark on the scanner but when you get close it’s just normal rocks?
That used to happen a lot in 4.0-4.1

[umbral current]

That could be it. What do I do? Server hop?

[agile oyster]

Yeah that might help
Are you using a VPN?

[umbral current]

Nope

[agile oyster]

VPN causes severe dsync for me
Try deleting shaders that could help

[leaden reef]

try finding a low pop server that always solves things

[pearl juniper]

has anyone double checked the numbers on the Alliance Aid missions to make sure they haven't changed since PTU? Specifically on the mining / resource delivery missions, is the most efficient way to complete the event still to do the small mission, vs the larger ones that request more SCU? It seems the pay scales with SCU with a little bonus on the larger volumes, but according to the guide the points toward the event does not scale with SCU very well...

[humble merlin]

Yeah small ones seem to be the most efficient still

MrKrakens one-page thing is accurate

It's what I followed to 100%

[pearl juniper]

lame. S'ok, I just finished submitting my Borase 3 scu at a time.

fukin stupid, it does nothing but force you to send the elevator up and down 100 times to finish.

Unless that's what they wanted data on... I did see a few elevator glitches in the process

[pearl juniper]

yeah, that's what I referenced as well, just wasn't sure if anyone had tried submitting a medium contract since it went from RC1 to live. They didn't say they changed it, but you never know.

I did check the points payout on the small and it matched

[near swallow]

Wasn't watching points, but I did do a medium when my org was doing the event together. And some were doing large. But they take a long long time to do because the box sizes are smaller then you would expect from hauling missions. (256 SCU / 4 SCU = 64 boxes, for one load. Loads that size in regular hauling missions would be 8 SCU. And I was using a Hermes, so no room for help. After that I stuck to small missions.

[cursive canyon]

hello there, so we bought a reclaimer and was out salvaging some ships but for the life of us we cant seem to sell it anywhere? tried tdd a18 / hurston l1 and grim but they all say max inventory and for the rmc it says insufficant stock, all the cargo is still on the reclaimer and weve tried changing server? we at abit of a lost can anyone explain what we are suppose todo?

[devout island]

Hey is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRjD2iv3zTk still a decent video being 10 months old?

only started playing yesterday and plan on mining

[random patrol]

Id suggest removing it from the reclaimer and storing it in the station inventory and trying that way. How much do you have?

[random patrol]

If anything i suggest checking out RedmonsterSC on YouTube for mining videos also.

[cursive canyon]

yeah weve took it off at area 18 after kinda giving up, we tried selling it at tdd but no luck. does it need refining or owt? we have about 500 scu give or take.

[random patrol]

RMC does not need refining but construction materials salvage does

Unless that changed

[cursive canyon]

omg how is anyone suppose to know that lool have to empty it all out of area 18 now and trek it somewhere to refine.. god damn lol
appreciae the advice tho.. much needed as we was on our last legs with it lol

[devout island]

dumb question, so I used regolith to find a place close to where I am

I found it on the map

but it says no unauthorized access, so is that just a game fluff thing, or will I get shot / police level for mining there?

or is this a fa/fo situation?

never mind that was a surface only place so I need space

[random patrol]

So you didnt have rmc...you had construction materials?

[random patrol]

You can mine on the moons like cellin, calliope, lyria, wala etc

You can also mine asteroids near stations

[devout island]

I;'ve only got the starting miner

so going to that place I found is a no go?

[random patrol]

And thats fine to goto those locations also

Yeah I wouldn't suggest the mining bases

[devout island]

oh

OK

so need to find somewhere else

[random patrol]

Yeah moons are a good start

[devout island]

OK will head there

[random patrol]

Thats where I go

ARCL2 is the nearest refinery also

[devout island]

OK so the next step now is just to fly around and keep hitting tab to find something to mine

from what I am seeing

[random patrol]

Thats a start

[devout island]

anyway to long range scanning at all or is just the tab one

I am just doing this

I'm an idiot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofFl4E5edsw he flys the ship down on to the planet

I died

I don't know how I was coming into the planet and just slammed into it

[next idol]

[devout island]

respawned going to try this again otherwise going to bed

[next idol]

it can happen, more when you are facing the dark side, pressing tab or looking at the interface can help. In my case I use the hud in front of me to see more details instead of the ship one

[devout island]

didn;t slam into it this time

[nimble ledge]

Which ships can use automated cargo loading like HullC? Im getting intro cargo

[spare cloud]

Hull-C.

[nimble ledge]

So that is the main selling point? Automated cargo?

[random patrol]

Large bulk cargo

[devout island]

OK, what am I missing here found a rock, I an in fracture mode and holding left mouse but the charge level is not changing

[random patrol]

Where is the rest of your hud?

[devout island]

I am in optimal range

[random patrol]

Laser isnt on?

[nimble ledge]

I know IC is still not released, but is there any reason why other cargo ships do not get this features? Catterpillar and Ironclad both have easily accesible cargo.

[devout island]

I stopped the laser to take the pic

and that is my hud?

looks like I need to scroll the mouse wheel to increase power

[random patrol]

Yes

[covert dome]

Hull-C was designed when physicalized cargo wasn’t a thing

We don’t even know if the auto load will stay

[random patrol]

Scroll wheel increases laser power

[nimble ledge]

Without the autoload I do not think many people would buy it

[covert dome]

probably not but they’ve said they’re not a fan of auto load I think

[random patrol]

People still buy the hullc and get mad when it doesnt work

[devout island]

yay

I mined

thanks for the help

[nimble ledge]

Thats why I am fan of ironclad, open roof and align with the exterior freight. Sounds like easy unload

[covert dome]

it’ll have a bunch of tractor beams too

[nimble ledge]

I was just wondering why it is a hull only feature. Can't imagine manually loading D/E

[covert dome]

well they’ve reduced the sizes for E so even they realized it was too large a scope

best case scenario would be having to pay a little bit for convenience of auto load

worse case would be removing it entirely

for commodities too

[nimble ledge]

Manual loading is such a painfull stuff to do. This would never be irl 😄
I still hope they include AI Blades for cargo

[covert dome]

we will see

[random patrol]

Its not supposed to be easy

[covert dome]

IRL is a silly comparison though since people manually load planes

[nimble ledge]

If plane crew and captain needed to load bags manually*

[random patrol]

Players want to roll up to a station...click a button and fly off with thousands of scus...then do the reverse at the destination

[nimble ledge]

IRL each airport/dock has equipment for loading/unloading

[nimble ledge]

Just give it some long duration that is adequate for manual loading time

[random patrol]

Imo i wouldn't manually load/unload a hullc. Id rather eat broken glass

[covert dome]

they're still loading most cargo by hand once they're at the plane

[random patrol]

C2's we have probably all done

[nimble ledge]

We had to do that yesterday cuz Levski auto unload broke

[covert dome]

I don't mind unloading C2s

its if its 1SCU boxes that it becomes hell, but 32SCU or 16 isn't bad

[random patrol]

8's for the aa event....616scu of 8s

That was fun

[covert dome]

oof

[random patrol]

Ikr

Did it once haha

[covert dome]

i was running a few packs of smalls for the MSR

then i got the hangar bug tha'ts eating cargo

stopped doing it after that and just ran with supergroups

[random patrol]

Didnt have that issue...I did the collection part on my own...all refined ores

[covert dome]

more efficient to run a bunch of smalls because it gives more points overall than the larges

[random patrol]

Yes 100%

I sat at lorville with Laranite and borase sending down 3-4 at time

[nimble ledge]

Idk just give me drones/AI to unload for me and I am sold on cargo ships...

[zenith maple]

seems like a easy fix right. make it cost a little, not too much, but enough that people that want to min/max can do the manual work, while the rest of us that just want to do A to B trucking can pay to not have to deal with it.

[nimble ledge]

Yeah tbh anything that will help. I want to enjoy interstellar hauling and not spend hours loading/unloading cargo in far future 😄 I know realism is the goal, but there is no way trucker would manually unload and load their trailer just to finish the job

[zenith maple]

even if realism was the aim, people that do cargo trucking irl often just drive A to B, the people at the terminals are trained and more effecient at loading/unloading

[nimble ledge]

Anything like that would sold me on pledging Hull C or bigger, hauling is the best way to see beauty of any game

[zenith maple]

yeah, while some people love their tetris, and should be rewarded for it. let us lazy asses just skip it.

I suggested making it so the autoloader wouldnt be 100% efficient. so you cant stack perfectly compared to doing it manually. along with a small payment to balance it out.

[random patrol]

Tbh loading the Hermes is chill

[nimble ledge]

Hermes is an amazing ship. But any 1k+ SCU loading is pain

[random patrol]

Although ive offloaded the reclaimer with over 1k on board

With help though lol

[nimble ledge]

Or idk, AI blades for tractor beams, mini vehicles that can carry multiple boxes at the same time

[random patrol]

I want an AI forklift in the hangar

That takes what I offload and stacks it in thr elevator

[nimble ledge]

Ill just apply to work for CIG and bomb them with my ideas untill I get fired or promoted.
For some reason they are not looking for Junior Developer, so they are missing my brain rn

[grand shuttle]

Finally got a helix and some +power mods on my prospector and I can mine some medium rocks. Its definitely a lot more fun now that 2/3 of all rocks area not "impossible"

[pearl juniper]

often the drivers have to unload if it's a delivery situation, but maybe it's loaded for them. It really depends on the type of trucking. I think the way it's done in the game right now for commodity trading makes a lot of sense and feels "right". IE, you can auto load / unload at major stations and cities, but have to load / unload your own at small outposts. If they extended that concept to hauling missions it would make sense.

[zenith maple]

yeah, I agree with having to unload if you drop of at a pad in the middle of nowhere. but bigger hubs, depots and cities should have the option for both

[toxic delta]

If anyone crews are mining I’m sitting on roughly 100 scu of QUAN that’s out of my capabilities to mine

[plain silo]

So I wanna go into a profession, don't mind which, but if I were to I would either go for Cargo or Salvage but I can't decide which ship to get:
Cargo: Hull A or RAFT?
Salvage: Vulture or Fortune?

[verbal tangle]

If you are asking about pledging or buying in-game?

[plain silo]

Buying in game

I have one ship and that's the nomad

[verbal tangle]

Honestly I'd use your nomad and test cargo, see if you vibe with it. If you vibe with it enough to get a dedicated ship, hull a isn't bad but you'll outgrow it fast. Raft or Taurus are your bread and butter for starter hauling.

[plain silo]

No yeah, I really enjoy both cargo and salvage, haven't tird mining although I do want to, but I just enjoy more chill gameplay, not much fighting

[verbal tangle]

As far as salvage, rent a vulture in levski and see if you vibe with the gameplay as well. If you are sure you wanna commit, between Vulture and Fortune its basically 6 of one; half dozen of another. Ships are basically side by side on a scale of functionality, one being a little more friendly in the packing, one being little more friendly in the size category. I personally prefer the Fortune.

If you can only get one ship right now, and know for sure that you like both, get cargo. You need a good cargo ship to haul your salvage mats, unless you're gonna just do chip-sales off the salvage ship directly. So investing in a good hauler has more long-term gains if you know you'll eventually get into salvage (and mining potentially too)

[plain silo]

yeah, okay, thanks, what would you reccomend for money making with a hauler, I have tried a few contracts but didn't seem too amazing, I tried out commodity trading then but just recently lost 1.5 mil out of my 2.5 mil from it being deleted in elevator?

[verbal tangle]

Raft is definitely better on a convenience factor, but Taurus is much more suitable for alternate use. If you get a raft, you'll never use the raft except for cargo. You can basically daily drive the Taurus, so my recommendation personally is the Taurus.

To explain, raft is an external cargo bay so you can load super fast and easy. Taurus is a slightly smaller grid (but you can load off grid at least some boxes), but with the weapons and components, the Taurus is just a better option in my opinion.

Only downside to Taurus is missiles break them like candy. Not sure how a raft compares in that regard specifically

[plain silo]

Hmmmm okay, how would you reccomend getting money for these?

[verbal tangle]

Depends on your pride 🤣 you could always just straight up ask in global if anyone would fund you a Taurus. If you're like me and wanna make it yourself naturally, the AA events right now have a good income - effort ratio, should be able to save enough within just a few days if you're consistent and regular earning

[plain silo]

Ooo okay

But yeah I much prefer the getting it myself!!

[verbal tangle]

Then yeah, AA missions have good aEUC earning vs effort needed right now. Especially collecting and Cargo.

Nomad can handle most the small AA missions iirc

[cerulean dove]

Nomad has a lot of weirdness with the doors right now though, but it does have basically perfect grid for the 3 smalls -> Levski and the 2 Levski -> NB

I've done a few round trips until I got stuck in the cockpit and had to shoot my way out because the doors wouldn't open

[plain silo]

Hmmm seeing the price of the Taurus I think I’ll just go for the raft

And then get the Misc fortune and then go for salvage

[verbal tangle]

That's 100% fair and understandable, my comment was only I think the Taurus is a better investment for the uses it can receive. Raft is definitely cheaper and overall still an amazing cargo jockey.

[plain silo]

Yeah just have to get the 3.6 million 🤣🤣

[cerulean dove]

one thing that the Taurus has going for it, even over the Hermes, is its ability to carry a lot of ground vehicles

[plain silo]

Just had 2.5 mil now down to 1 mil do to CIG elevators

Very sad

[verbal tangle]

A wild Hermes enters the chat from way out in left field?

[plain silo]

But gotta get back onto the grind

[verbal tangle]

Yeah them elevators are spicy sometimes

[plain silo]

So you reccomend stacking the cargo contracts and the new event missions, I’m probably gonna stay away from commodity trading after my ptsd from loosing 1.5 mil

[verbal tangle]

Yeah the event has good payouts.

[verbal tangle]

Also worth mentioning on a lark - you can rent the Taurus in New Babbage and use it to make money to save for the raft. And if you like it, can rent it to 2 days at a time (or whatever your play schedule accommodates) while you save up for it.

I don't think the raft is rentable but the Taurus for sure was the last time I looked.

[cerulean dove]

raft can be rented for like 60k

[verbal tangle]

Didn't know this, thanks for the info!

[next idol]

I like the raft as it’s very easy to load and unload.

But yeah it just for that

I really like the interior of the ship also

For salvaging I would say vulture

[cerulean dove]

I like the vulture only because it actually looks like an industrial ship. MISC ships are just amorphous steel blobs

[next idol]

I like the starlancer max, but I got the fortune and it’s kinda ugly

Also it looks kinda dumb with the salvage arm

I personally use a reclaimer but I’m so excited for the new one coming soon

[keen garden]

Wikelo fortune looks great

Too bad it’s expensive now

Gonna be picking up a wikelo prospector to match it soon hopefully

[agile oyster]

The vulture is better it scrapes rmc 2x faster and holds 39 scu
The Taurus is good for cargo are PVE ship combat but raft is so much better for cargo it’s so easy to load/unload with the Atls

[keen garden]

Not true, as of a few patches ago at least

Fortune scrapes more per ship at roughly the same rate, and can hold up to 49 scu if you really try, but generally I wouldn’t haul more than 42 with it when solo. When doing an org op we just fill the outside grid

Generally, fortune for scraping, vulture for cracking

[plain silo]

Oh also when is that valentines event bc I love that pink paint and want it for my nomad?

[plain silo]

How did you manage to fit that much?

And also it it worth disintegrating ships as isn’t the stuff it produces worth less?

[keen garden]

Open the back elevator, and load up the hab area first. At least 5 can fit in there, then you can fit 4 or 5 down the processing hall, another8 or 9 in front of the elevator, then the elevator grid and the outside grid + raw storage + 2 ready to print

I don’t think it’s worth cracking ships at the moment

Solo, the vulture is probably still better overall than the fortune

Just because it’s less work to get its 39 both printed and unloaded

In an org op the fortune benefits from double printers

And printing while you continue to salvage

[plain silo]

Oh okay yeah, so probably worth it saving up a bit more for the vulture for that ease of use with fitting cargo

[keen garden]

I think the fortune also fits on an idris easier

[plain silo]

How would you recommend making salvage money, flying around and finding stuff or purchasing contracts?

[plain silo]

Yeah I’m not where near that🤣🤣

[keen garden]

I mean when running two rows of them 😂

I would personally rotate between contracts and panels

You’ll get bored of one or the other, just change it up

You can also experiment with other contracts, like take the 890J contract, board the 890j, and turn off its shields.

Now you can scrape it

[plain silo]

Yeah that’s fairs

[plain silo]

Huhhh, which contract is that?

[narrow stirrup]

Hello I was wondering if anyone can give us a few tips on how mining works in this game, me and the wife want to try it out and was wondering if anyone could help us out!
Thanks!

[keen garden]

Urgent boarding action I think? It’s in arccorp and micro tech, but beware it spawns a few light fightrrs

What I was doing this take the mission and kill the light fighters with a different ship, then I come back with the vulture for several trips in a row before completing the mission

[mild pumice]

fk me it's working LOL

[jovial matrix]

Love that contract, I'd do this all the time when salvaging was first introduced. Fly there with a cargo ship and clear the mission, then backspace to grab the vulture and scrape it

I even scraped the entire 890 with a fortune once, it took like 6 hours I think

[plain silo]

How do you remember where it is, is it always at a warp point and just use scanners?

[keen garden]

The quest marker stays

[subtle valley]

in what way? which part are you struggling with?

[plain silo]

Ohhhh really okay

[jovial matrix]

I leave one guy alive so the mission marker doesnt go away

[keen garden]

Look for one of the “ultimate mining guides” for any 4.x patch

[jovial matrix]

Downside is you have to hear his perpetual shit-talking and screaming while you salvage lol

[keen garden]

Several great videos

[plain silo]

Poor guy 🤣🤣, ship being destroyed around him

[jovial matrix]

yup lol

[narrow stirrup]

@subtle valley was just wondering if there is a specific ship i should get where should we start and does she have to have her own ship or can we just get in one?

[keen garden]

Elguapo has one, sc red monster,

You can run a mole and be in the same ship, but that’s a bit more advanced. The cheaper more entry level mining ships are all solo

The golem, and the prospector

[subtle valley]

the golem is a cheap place to start but a single seater - the mole has 3 seats and you can do larger asteroids with it

[keen garden]

I kinda feel like the golem is a little bit of a trap myself

[subtle valley]

its okay to try out mining and see if you enjoy it

[keen garden]

Because the pitman laser gives 35% moar instability

Two of them and… things are gonna be a bit unwieldy

[subtle valley]

could always get a roc-ds and load it into another ship I suppose

[latent crag]

another thing to note is that ship upgrades are a thing

you can start with a golem and if y'all like it and want to pursue it as an activity to do together you can upgrade it into a mole and only have to pay the difference

[keen garden]

In the pledge shop*

Can’t upgrade ships that way in game yet

[latent crag]

^

[subtle valley]

true, was just gonna say I'm not sure if you can even rent one in game

[jovial matrix]

Please dont pledge a ship if you dont even know if you'll like it/want to use it

try it ingame first

[keen garden]

They can all be iirc, but the stock lasers suck

[latent crag]

at the very least watch a youtube guide about ship mining like someone suggested above and see if the gameplay looks fun to you

[subtle valley]

yeah but getting started that doesn't matter so much

[keen garden]

Can just be a little demoralizing, if almost every rock you find can’t be broken

[verbal tangle]

They buffed the fortune so the vulture isnt faster iirc

[agile oyster]

I haven’t used the fortune sense the buff before it was painfully slow

[verbal tangle]

Ah fair enough. I only started using it late 4.5 so I didnt actually know it had been that bad originally, I just know when I started using it it wasnt that bad. Someone else explained to me it had been buffed back in 4.4 I think it was?

[jovial matrix]

Pretty sure it was earlier than 4.4

[verbal tangle]

This is entirely possible as well, as I said it was late 4.5 I started using it and just a few days ago someone told me it specifically had been buffed due to how bad it was

Thats why whenever someone told me it was so bad I was trying to figure out what was being smoked, cause it wasnt that bad when I started using it lmao

[jovial matrix]

Yeah lol

[verbal tangle]

I think BossOfStars is one of the ones who tried to talk me out of it because it was bad and I didnt know what he was on about

Cause that was a little over a week ago?

[agile oyster]

I enjoy mining a lot more than salvage it’s more of a challenge and it’s fun exploring moons and planets while mining and you can make more money mining

[agile oyster]

It was terrible before the buff I rented one during ILW did one load and never wanted to use it sense
now that it’s good its which you like more if you like the cargo hold of the vulture or the external grid better

[jovial matrix]

Yeah

Both ships are great, but I prefer the fortune for the ease of loading/unloading

[verbal tangle]

Thats what I like about it better

I usually make pit stops for refining before I get that many scus anyway

so fortunes ease of loading is better for me, personally

[keen garden]

I don’t take small salvage ships out solo, so I run the fortune because it’s easier for other players to unload while I sit and watch

In a sense it’s just like hull series ships, external storage = superior unloading. Just don’t expect unloading to be better if you are shoving an extra 20 boxes in the hallways

[left ore]

Will 32 SCU boxes fit in the Caterpillar?

[limpid sluice]

you can make them some fit, but properly, no they dont

if you check channel pins, theres cargo layouts for all the ships

[agile oyster]

Yes but not on the grid

[left ore]

Grid! Thats for sissies!

Thanks

[agile oyster]

Is auto load back for the hull c for normal covalax contracts ?

[plain silo]

Wait wdym refining salvage?

[next idol]

In salvage you have different materials, the ones you scrap from the ship with the laser and the one you get dismantling the ship. I think they changed the name but it’s “recycled material” and “construction material”.

Construction material must be refined at a refinery station

Before you can sell it

[plain silo]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh okay

thanks

[uneven phoenix]

Anybody got a good loadout I should run on my prospector?

[plain silo]

OML doing cargo contracts with a rented RAFT is great, just made 700k in about an hour and now member rank for covalex!!!

wish I did this sooner 🤣

[devout island]

OK so filled the ship

so next step is to process it

can I take it there or need somewhere else?

thats on the moon

I;m currently on

if it helps im on lyria

[agile oyster]

Go with a helix with 2 Rieger-C3 if you want passive or 2 surge or a surge and stampede for active modes
2 surge has the most power but is the hardest to use but I think it’s worth it

[wet moat]

You need to fly to a space station that has an refinery.
For example crul4

[agile oyster]

Go to arc-L1 or L2

[next idol]

raft its so good

[plain silo]

I just kept on getting contracts to go between HDMS- Calihope and ordin( can’t remember that laters name)

[devout island]

not sure what I am doing wrong here

so I do that

then get quote

I hit confirm

and nothing happens

[jovial matrix]

You see that button next to each type of ore you're trying to refine? Click that for each ore type

[devout island]

nah, it was a total cluster fudge

I had to buy a multi tool, and a beam attachment, remove the cargo from my ship, put that in the warehouse then do the processing

oh

and not all processing systems work?

I can old use like three

even though they are there

[random patrol]

You filled it with aluminum? Why?

[devout island]

this is my first run on mining I am just learning the process

I'll focus or money later

[covert dome]

do folks still do commodity runs?

or is it dead dead since 4.4

[grand shuttle]

Its still possible, but I think hauling contracts are more lucrative and less risk

[covert dome]

which contracts?

i mostly am looking at autoloading commodities for chill runs anyway

so that if i end up having to log mid session i'm ok

[grand shuttle]

yeah, commodity hauling still has both of those over hauling contracts

if your willing to do the loading, doing multiple contracts at once can get you more than half a million per trip to 3-ish destinations from a single starting location.

and thats just the RAFT level of things

[covert dome]

that’s pretty solid

planetary runs I’d assume

bro uex is so dogshit on tablet impossible to see each section of route planning correctly

[grand shuttle]

try sc trades?

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[covert dome]

I’ll check it out

Question: if my ship is available to take out in my ASOP that means the TDD commodity trade completed right? Or should I double check the trade terminal

[grand shuttle]

If its in the middle of loading/unloading thats indicated in the ASOP

[covert dome]

okay cool so I’m good - ty it’s been forever since I’ve tried commodities

[deep bison]

They technically aren't more lucrative, but they are definitely WAY less risk.

[verbal tangle]

More lucrative from the standpoint of no up-front investment for roughly similar payouts. Also no real penalty right now at least for losing the cargo, where as if you lose the cargo you bought you're out your investment fees.

But I guess that could be counted on the "less risk" side of the equation, tbf

[deep bison]

I haven't done the top end hauling contracts in a while, are they really almost a million per run these days?

Not since like september last year

[verbal tangle]

Highest I've seen on a personal level is 400k for a 14 SCU interstellar.

And that was during 4.5

[deep bison]

wait. just 14 scu? that's nuts. nevermine, I have to trade way more than that to make that kind of money

[verbal tangle]

It was my buddy's ritual: log in, do his 400k haul, log out. Repeat once daily

Bought a Taurus in a little over a week.

[deep bison]

Nah. I did bioplastic in a c2 and it was like 800k, but I had to spend 2M to get that much.

Seems like its way more worth your time to haul contracts then

[verbal tangle]

That's what I'm saying. So you can make more money hauling freight you buy, but you need initial investment capital and you lose the investment if something goes wrong.

[verbal tangle]

Supposedly the Hull C contracts are incredibly lucrative, but I've never seen one on account of rep being too low.

[next idol]

I should check but last time I was playing they were kinda bad

Besides the whole system to load a hull c was very buggy

[verbal tangle]

Yeah I don't have current Intel, but someone was saying when they work its good money.

[next idol]

I guess so. For the effort you have to put thru money it’s ok

[keen garden]

It’s more, you don’t have any data to work with that is reliable

you can use sc trade tools and uex, but those values come from players and change quickly

The best trade is rarely the best trade for long

When I want to deal with comoddities I prefer to get the comoddities for free

Like… mining/salvage, or doing the bit zero cargo collecting missions in pyro

Much lower risk because you don’t need to spend millions up front to make decent profit

[plain silo]

Any advice for fixing my broken RAFT elevator?

[olive gull]

tried destroy and re-claim the ship already?

[keen garden]

The way to avoid breaking it before was don’t press buttons while it is still animating

Only fix was finding another way inside, or claiming

[long frost]

At some point (I think 4.4) they nerfed the covalex hull c missions. Now they're only okayish

These days I do the hull c event hauls

[plain silo]

What are the best cargo hauling contracts to stack for money?

[verbal tangle]

I usually do look for "direct planetary". I'm based out of New Babbage, and can usually stack 2-4 going to Tressler AND 2-4 going from Tressler back to New Babbage, and just run a few laps. Usually can make anywhere from 300k to a mil and some change in a few hours, depending on whether I run small mediums or larges.

[verbal tangle]

Fair enough, thanks for the update!

[plain silo]

Well I’m based in Hurston, and for me I do a loop of going between two hdms locations, it’s a junior contract and awards me 60k per and can usually stack three, is that good or how can I improve?

[verbal tangle]

3 stacks isn't a bad gig if it all fits on one load with the same drop off and pick up locations. Means you're making 180ish for a 5 minute flight, plus load and unload times (which on a raft is very fast). It might not be the biggest number profit wise, but specifically on a profit per hour (or per trip is how I prefer to measure) 180k per stop ain't bad by my metric.

[covert dome]

the problem I have with commodities is that I'll find open TDDs but then flood the TDD and have to find a new location to do my next drop offs

but I made about 2-3M doing that between work calls today so i'm not complaining

the 30 minute load time is fine by me since i just log off and do work stuff, all i really have to bea ctive for is landing and stowing the ship

[covert dome]

400k is crazy for interstellar, was that for red wind or the old missions before we got the new red wind and ling missions?

[verbal tangle]

Red wind I think. Levski - Pyro or Levski - Lorville is usually what he'd run.

[covert dome]

oh so he'd have to grab it in levski, i'm assuming that's higher than my rank since i don't have any levski missions yet

me no like

[verbal tangle]

Yeah first pickup was always Levski. And definitely not rank locked, he just started playing during IAE. Guarantee his rank isn't that high.

[covert dome]

oh hm, i'll jump in a smaller ship and go check it out then ty

14SCU for that much sounds crazy

[verbal tangle]

Gotta do the intro mission first, there's a "new hauler" mission.

[covert dome]

also at levski?

i have one in stanton but i'm assuming it isn't the same

[verbal tangle]

To be fair, might be more than 14. All I can say for sure is my red wind missions are aways in the 10ish range, and he always used his Cutlass for it on a single trip.

So all I can say 100% definitely is it fits in a Cutlass.

[keen garden]

That means it’ll fit in a hull a with ease

[verbal tangle]

Intro mission is always the same iirc

[covert dome]

i'll give it a go on the raft

want an easy grid

[keen garden]

Imo the hull a should have a fixed grid, lose the animation

It’s buggy anyway

[verbal tangle]

Yeah should fit. Keep in mind all my information is from 4.5 though, he hasn't done it since 4.6

But if it still works the same, definitely some crazy good money there for not crazy high needs.

[verbal tangle]

Information slightly out of date (and knowing my friend, slightly exaggerated) but here's the one I have listed from Port Tressler right now after just logging in

9 SCU for 222k

[covert dome]

oh yeah i have those, stanton to pyro

kind of a pain though

if i have red wind missions i'd assume i don't need to do the starter contract though

[verbal tangle]

it is but its good money. Especially since, as I said in my friends case, log in, small cargo mission takes less than an hour, and log out

So hed make between a quarter mil and half a mil daily (i know sometimes hed have 2 he could stack) and then go play something else

[covert dome]

yeah that's pretty solid

[verbal tangle]

Its the best non grindy approach to play an hour a day and grow your bank lmao

[covert dome]

i'll go poke around levski see if i can get any other missions

plus gives me an excuse to take my raft out

[keen garden]

It’s 4 destinations tho, I’d hope you can take more than one to make the trip across the wormhole worth it

[covert dome]

That’s always the problem

[south basin]

When refining can you split the jobs into 1SCU containers for ease of event turn ins?

[gritty swift]

do you drop decari pods on elevator or put into a box then put in elevator to turn in?

[limpid sluice]

No, however, when turning in cargo for contracts, any excess will be returned.

For example, if the contract requires 8scu and you send down a 32scu crate, you will get a 24scu crate in your inventory

[south basin]

Thank goodness.

Thanks.

[crude thunder]

For a teach's Mole... Would you recommend any changes to the components? And if I wanted 1 laser that was specialized for sucking up ores that remove as much Inert Material as possible. What would you recommend?

[jolly dagger]

Ok so im gonna try something a bit stupid. So i got the argo raft and im gonna fill it with ARGO ore bags. Then im gonna try to get the prospector and fill all the bags then refine the ores. Wish me luck and lets hope the game survives through it all😂😂

[south basin]

No reason you shouldn't be able to do that outside of Star Citizen things.

[crude thunder]

should work just fine as long as you don't try to unload the Quantanium on to the raft, just take it back to the refinery directly

[verbal tangle]

Might wanna double check the mission, its 4 pickups all going through the wormhole, so unless I just misunderstood your comment only one jump needed

[agile oyster]

I would go with a stealth cooler and a helix or impact with 3 FLTR-xl for filtering inert

[keen garden]

what i mean is, one mission going through the hole to multiple destinations for that price is a lot, if you could doubl eit, even if the number of sources and destinations doubled, it'd make it more worth it

[verbal tangle]

But its all one drop off?

[keen garden]

it doesn't really matter how many there are, does it?

[verbal tangle]

Thats what I am confused about your comment, pick up four different places, jump through the worm, drop off at one?

[keen garden]

the trip to the wormhole, through it, and then from the gateway station to a destination is long

[verbal tangle]

I mean I guess that really depends on what your definition of long is. If you read my initial comment up above, my friend who had this daily ritual back in 4.5 would do it once per day and took him less than an hour. I would say by any metric I or he was using, its not long.

[keen garden]

it's like doing the old hull c mission from terra to pyro gate way twice, except you only get paid once

and have to drop off or pickup at 4 places

and at a fraction of the value

[verbal tangle]

Honestly if it was one pickup and 4 dropoff locations I would agree with you, but with 4 pickups and one dropoff I just fundamentally dont see it has a poor investment if you wanted to run a single mission per day and spend less than an hour making a quarter mil.

Find me another isolated single mission worth a quartermil that can be done in a cutlass black, and take less than an hour, and I will gladly forward it to my buddy and tell him how horrendously hes spending his time when he logs in lol

[keen garden]

hyperion, once you know the route well, can be done in ~ 45 min if you don't get killed by the snipers in site b, + it gives you a rcmbnt which is worth... a lot

Vanduul Smugglers is worth 1.2mil, ignoring the cryo pods, and can be done solo pretty easily if you have a bike and a ship with a medbed in an hour or less (with a little hauling for the cryo pods after a few runs, you can make another 500k per 6 cryo pods)

• you get all the grade A mil/stealth you want

i usually finish in just under an hour if i'm not looting every vanduul corpse for more wikelo mats

but, tbf, neither of these are industrial-aligned missions

i don't think there's anything out of interstellar if you wanted to stick to industrial atm

well, other than quant mining

[verbal tangle]

Vanduul tech smugglers requires a massive reputation farm to unlock access to it, which he has zero interest in farming at this time.

Hyperion we have talked about trying to run when we have more investment, as neither of us has done it. I have finished asd up to hyperion, and he hasnt even started, cause his pledge was Dec 19th. I guess that was relevant information to why he chose this particular lap.

That being said, when we are both on, we both much prefer Vanduul Tech for the reasons you mentioned

His lap is exclusively when he gets online and sees I am not available. He runs a cargo loop and logs off 🤣

[keen garden]

i like to run my medial terrapen there, no risk in it ever being blown up

[verbal tangle]

But thats fair

[keen garden]

i farmed it exclusively last patch, so i'm kinda burned on it. doin other stuff/group stuff now

[verbal tangle]

I personally rotate my loops so i never get too burned out

[keen garden]

but i have all the components, :p

[verbal tangle]

I do cargo one day, combat another, mining salvage another, to avoid heavy burnout

I would do vanduul more often solo but the elevators annoy me lol

[keen garden]

now i'm just farming wikelo favors, which doesn't necessarily mean farming scrip

[verbal tangle]

Groooooooss

Wankelo

I refuse to enter that grind

[keen garden]

doing it by quant farming and ace pilot hunting

[verbal tangle]

I annoys me on a fundamental level

[keen garden]

eh, i tdid me too, until the player economy went to crap

now i get enjoyment out of turning everything i do into materials, since materials now hold value rather than aUEC

[verbal tangle]

I am half convinced if wikelo wasnt so tedius the economy wouldnt have gotten this bad

(still bad, just not as much)

[keen garden]

i mean, there also wouldn't be much player trading at that point, :p

[verbal tangle]

but i will agree. wikelo is fundamentally less annoying than the current market issues

[keen garden]

i found it interesting, because i was kinda annoyed before that auec didn't really have a purpose and player trading felt dead. but now... auec still doesn't have a purpose but bartering does, and it feels good to me. pick a currency you want to use as a trading item and collect/trade for it, doing whatever loops you want. just sucks that the progression of "earning" ships is more or less dead if you dip into the player market

[verbal tangle]

I don't really consider what we have a player trading market. Until its a formalized system enforcing the trade or like an auction house, I dont really consider it a feature as much as unintended side effect.

And I refuse to buy into a system fed directly or indirectly by exploits. If I am paying another player for an item, I am paying pre-duplication prices or not at all.

[keen garden]

that's why i've sold nothing to players for auec for like 5 patches now

[verbal tangle]

Which is why I fundamentally dont engage in wikelo. Because the two options are absolutely ludicrously tedious farming, or buying from a player. No thank you on both accounts

[keen garden]

i don't want gamebreaking amounts of money, i've effectively retained the "earning" ships aspect, it's just most things i do now days don't actually earn me auec

or... do, but in amounts that don't really amount to anything

only have 27mil atm, enough to buy a new ship if i decide to, but... i'd rather get a wikelo ship at this point, just feels like more of an acomplishment

when you can sell a polaris bit then buy every ship in the game

[verbal tangle]

oh i could get one, at least I could as of 4.5

LIke i said, I refuse to engage in it.

I had the required items for I think 3 different trades

[keen garden]

a lot of ships got cheaper last patch too

[verbal tangle]

all from ASD and QV logistics

But I refuse to partake

[keen garden]

wolf is really easy

[verbal tangle]

I sold items worth billions of aeuc for pittance at new babbage and washed my hands of it

"worth" only defined by player market, so to speak.

[keen garden]

monopoly money

i mean it's a game it's all monopoly money but it's all hacked so

[verbal tangle]

The only one I kept on a fundamental level is the Guilded Arms

And its just so i can laugh when someone asks for one, I can say I have it but wont sell it to you 🤣

[grand shuttle]

whats the best moon to mine for bexalite or laranite?

[regal tide]

r there any work arounds to getting the the auto unloader to work at levski?

[agile oyster]

I’m finding at lot of bexalite/borase on Magda

[grand shuttle]

Thanks

[hasty lintel]

is there a button that makes it so crates DONT automatically attach to a grid?

[limpid sluice]

you can use the right-click mode on the handtool tractors and things wont snap to grid

[agile oyster]

Right click also snaps to grid for some reason?

[next idol]

wasnt there new missions for salvage? or it will come later this patch with the new ship i guess?

[verbal tangle]

4.6.1 estimated. Was going to be 4.6 but removed at last minute due to needing slight adjustments of some kind.

In theory, would anticipate the new ship to come at the same time, but that's pure speculation, as nothing is concrete.

[next idol]

not surpriced

[next idol]

hope so, maybe in 1 week if we are lucky ?

[verbal tangle]

Last official statement was they're still trying to fix the inventories issue from initial 4.6 launch, so unless they bundle that hotfix into 4.6.1 I wouldn't hold your breath.

[next idol]

ooh I thought they already fixed that

[verbal tangle]

Nope not yet lol

[elfin rune]

Any advice to find ship components? All i find with salvage contracts its pure shit

[timber venture]

Hathor sites on daymar/aberdeen, can find good ones in the garages or you can strip components from gamerule ships. This is one of many places that you can find good components I’m just not as knowledgeable on other places.

Just be careful when out there, tends to be a PvP sandbox.

[covert dome]

did they fix the elevators for vanduul missions? i saw someone mention em

[verbal tangle]

Yes but also no.

Go over to #4-8-0-live and scroll up a bit, we have a little mini-thread talking about it a few hours ago. Its a lot to type out right now at work.

[covert dome]

perfect, thanks

[tired meteor]

uhh is it normal for the refinery to leave ore in my pods without detecting it? cuz i sold my inert and it said there was nothing left in them but these ones i just put on has like 1 scu of 5 diff ores

[keen garden]

Had pretty good luck finding event resources on calliope, but you can’t beat mining ice in pyro

[keen garden]

Not something we’ve seen

[tired meteor]

hmm

[keen garden]

Refined probably 100+ bags so far this patch

[verbal tangle]

You cant beat ice mining in pyro cause ice asteroids are exclusive to pyro iirc

[keen garden]

Sure, but I mean compared to mining stuff in stanton 😆

Sure you need twice as much, but you also get bex and borase

[verbal tangle]

Oh gotcha. I thought you meant ice is better in pyro than nyx, for example and I'm like ice is only in pyro 🤣

[tired meteor]

hmmm do we know if there is a limit to how many drake pods it can detect at once?

[keen garden]

Not that I’m aware of

[tired meteor]

cuz now im finding pairs completely full

[verbal tangle]

As far as I know, if its a ship it'll detect all connected, if its in storage should detect all of them?

[keen garden]

But, if you have more than x materials they don’t all fit in the window and you have to scroll to select

Usually though it’ll delete anything you don’t refine that isn’t a base material or inert

[verbal tangle]

But I do it from the ship because the storage was borked a long time ago.

[tired meteor]

this is what my last run looked like on the refinery it was not a full load mind you

[keen garden]

We refined from station, after unloading a hull c

[tired meteor]

i set all mats detected to refine

[keen garden]

I think I had 40 or so bags, other person had another 50 or so

[tired meteor]

it allso state it will discard mats left in pods not slated for refinement which is why im confused

[keen garden]

I’d go with desync

[tired meteor]

or the cargo grid issue

[near swallow]

Refineries will only detect on-grid cargo

[keen garden]

The refinery work order was started before those bags were recognized as on grid or in station, or they weren’t properly on grid

[tired meteor]

ima test that but i think it may have been due to it merging all the pods into one grid point after storing the ship overnight

[tired meteor]

not if there inside each other

[keen garden]

Since last patch, I always unload

[tired meteor]

i tend to do more mining then i have time for so i have to store and come back

[keen garden]

Last patch it wasn’t letting me start orders from my ship

So I save myself the trip and just unload

[tired meteor]

wish we had hand scanners to check ore pods

dam maxlift wont even show the dif in mass

[grand shuttle]

can you refine from ore pods sent down the freight elevator into station storage?

[tired meteor]

think so

[verbal tangle]

You can mechanically, but it wasn't working right in 4.4 at least. Hopefully was fixed by now.

[grand shuttle]

how about snapped to a cargo ship then?

[keen garden]

Yes

Strapped to cargo ship wasn’t working for us last patch, at levski

Nor on mining ship

It’d let us set the order up, but then when clicking confirm it just never started the order

[tired meteor]

at some point and time it ate one of my pods....

[verbal tangle]

This is what it did for me in 4.4. only time refineries worked correctly were installed on the ship designed to mine (mole, prospector, golem)

So sounds like refineries are steamy hot mess right now.

Get it? 😏

[keen garden]

The bag ownership shenanigans is annoying too

I get why it exists, but…

[verbal tangle]

The ownership shenanigans?

[keen garden]

someone who supplied us bags logging off for the night before we’ve offloaded the hull c makes all of their bags considered stolen

So we had to transfer them to a herc and bring them inside a hangar

External elevators don’t let you send down stuff owned by someone else

Happens with salvage too

[verbal tangle]

Oh it wont set them to games rules like a ship does?

[keen garden]

Nope

[verbal tangle]

Or games rules items get flagged as stolen?

[keen garden]

They stay owned by the original player

If they log back in and join party, it’s no longer an issue

This is also why if you get a stor-all from someone else, you can’t open it from inside of station inventory

It’s not yours

[tired meteor]

dont think iv had that issue

i yonk storealls often

[keen garden]

🤷‍♂️

We always have to open them physically and transfer out of it by hand

Had to do that with scrips last night

[tired meteor]

intresting

[keen garden]

Just shows up empty in the warehouse

If you didn’t know any better you’d assume it was just empty

Would be nice if there was a way for the owner of a box to transfer ownership

[tired meteor]

time to hit the refinery there all full

[agile oyster]

Have you had your c2 run away when you fly away with the golem before?

[tired meteor]

no

[keen garden]

I haven’t had it run away, but I have had the marker move to somewhere where it isn’t

[tired meteor]

i leave its engines on with cupling on

only time iv had a ship float away is when its thrusters are damaged

[keen garden]

Now days I use an outpost for bag swapping when solo

Empty bags on ship, full bags go down the elevator

Load them up when I’m ready to go to the refinery

[elfin rune]

What are hathor sites? Im new here

[agile oyster]

It’s happed twice in 4.6 once I get too far from the c2 it goes 1.2 gm away and when I qt to it it’s moving too fast to get too

[keen garden]

They’re a pvpve event where you align a laser that shoots a hole in the ground you can mine valuable resources out of

[tired meteor]

[plain silo]

YAY, Just bought my first new ship, the ARGO RAFT!!!

What should I go for next, I'm thinking between the prospector, fortune or Vulture. Which would you reccomend?

[keen garden]

I would personally go after the prospector, but I’m already a skilled miner. The fortune/vulture is easier to immediately start making profit from

I’d suggest renting one first

[plain silo]

How much roughly do you make per hour?

[keen garden]

Hard to say, I mine things to trade for wikelo mats

[plain silo]

huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what is that?

I last played like 3.2

and then took a break

and now I'm back

[keen garden]

Well, for example

Quant is worth about 80k per SCU to the TDD

[plain silo]

yeas

[keen garden]

It’s worth WAY more to olayers

Like 100mil per SCU or more

[plain silo]

HOW!!

[keen garden]

Because it’s needed for Polaris bits through wikelo

To get a Polaris or idris

[plain silo]

ohhhhhhhh wow okay

do you sell directly to players there?

[keen garden]

Before the inflation of the player market, they were worth ~ 4-5x TDD value

[plain silo]

yeah I heard the inflation is pretty rough

[keen garden]

So at 25k to the TDD, we were selling to players for 100k-125k

[plain silo]

pretty good going

[keen garden]

You’ll almost always make more selling to players, but I tend to prefer trading, rather than having a gsmebreaking amount of money

[plain silo]

Yh I mainly play to relax and watch a tv show whilst playing

[keen garden]

So I’ll trade Polaris bits for, say, favors, then use the favors to get ships I want from wikelo

[agile oyster]

You can get a million uec of ore per load in the prospector in 45 minutes if your lucky

[grand shuttle]

I had the notion of stockpiling full pods and refining them all at once to get bigger crates to take to market. However, it seems the ui does not seem to show any way to tell a full pod from an empty?

[keen garden]

Correct

Gotta try to keep them separated, if I’m doing that I’d store the full bags at an outpost or something

In pyro I used gaslight

Convenient, given I did all my mining around pyro v

[lofty verge]

yo guys. grabbed a c2 and i cant move boxes with an atls off the grid i have to move them first with a multitool first

is there a way to move things with the atls off the grid?

[verbal tangle]

Shut power to the ship

[lofty verge]

thank you!

[verbal tangle]

I legit don't know why that works, but it works for me every time lol

[agile oyster]

Mining is a lot more fun than salvaging for me I think you can make more uec per hour of work with mining
You can make a lot more money mining but salvage is easier and more consistent

[agile oyster]

A full vulture is 300k per load with the prospector is 100k to over 1 million per load depending on what you find
With salvage it’s almost guaranteed you make 300k per load
There is more involved with mining you have to find a rock crack it with out blowing up the rock and destroying your ship than refine and haul the cargo to sell

[grand shuttle]

Cam a prospector fit on a c2?

[grand shuttle]

doesnt have to be all power, can be just shields/thrusters ( or maybe even 1 of those 2)

actually, even if it doesnt it lets you quantum to your own ships?

[keen garden]

No

It can fit on a 890J tho

or an idris

[grand shuttle]

if you can quantum to your own ships, maybe I can just stash my raft somewhere and shuttle back and for to that.

[keen garden]

That’s kinda what I do

So, you can park your ship in space, and go back to it, but there’s something that causes your ship markers to move to the wrong spot

[olive gull]

Swap Prospector for Golem

[keen garden]

Your ship isn’t gone but you lose the ability to jump to it in some cases

I use surface locations or stations now due to this

In Stanton just use any armistice outpost

Stash the filled bags down the elevator till you are ready to haul it to a refinery

Leave empty bags on the hauler

If using a prospector, a raft carries plenty of bags

Imo c2 is only worth using with a prospector if you plan on mining for 8+ hours

Or if you are mining ice I guess

Bags go fast with ice

[agile oyster]

Are the RS signatures messed up for asteroids too?

[keen garden]

They’re different

All changed

Except for panels, they’re still 2k

[agile oyster]

So it’s almost impossible to find ice now?

[keen garden]

Eh, I wouldn’t say impossible

Just look for 4k signatures

You almost never see clusters of asteroids anyway

Panels are rarely in just a set of 2 or 4, so it makes it relatively easy to just do every 4k and 8k and mostly run into ice and not panels

[grand shuttle]

are the scan signatures for planetary rocks changed too?

[keen garden]

Yes

I found planetary scanning to be super annoying this patch

Numbers are kinda crazy, and distant, I just hit a narrow on each and go to the non harvestables

[grand shuttle]

for event harvesting, would it be faster to grab a bunch of ice, or should I keep looking for bexalite?

[agile oyster]

Do the different asteroid types have different signatures?

[keen garden]

I would go for ice, it’s tempting to do bex/borase but it’s so much easier to get ice

[keen garden]

Yes

Ice is 4k, and it’s the only x000 signature that isn’t panels in space

In 2 and a half hours we collected 700 something ice, that refined to 380, plus 20 or so of bex/borase

[agile oyster]

Good because there is only 1 or 2 I type per asteroid base is that still true ?

[keen garden]

We had a mole + 1 operator and a prospector, plus a cargo hauler to run bags

[keen garden]

I haven’t heard that, pretty sure we saw more than 1 or 2, but they were kinda rare

[agile oyster]

During supply or die is the last time I mined ice and there was only 1 or 2 i type per location

[keen garden]

We jumped between a cluster and 2 RMB’s

I don’t trust the scam data for rmb’s and RAB’s on regolith, a lot of them have only one player and a couple scans

Like yea I don’t doubt rab xeno or whatever has ice, but it’s certainly not 50%

[agile oyster]

Is the there not much difference between bases with percentage of ice?

[keen garden]

Might be worth looking at regolith data for pre-4.4

Can’t really see it well on mobile

[agile oyster]

How big do I type get?

[keen garden]

We didn’t get anything bigger that 25k

Regolith should have data on this

Aka most of them are smol with low resist/instability

0 chance for quant

[cerulean dove]

I see they made the ROC mining laser misalignment worse

[cerulean dove]

Is the Zeus ES supposed to get a dedicated scanning station when(if) that becomes a thing?

[south basin]

Can people just steal your shit off the elevator if you use the external freight grids?

At stations.

[next idol]

iirc yes

[agile oyster]

How do I get auto unload to work on the hull c?

It was working yesterday

[south basin]

Gross, why do they exist then 😑

[merry cipher]

force risk into a safe loop

[long frost]

Yeah, I would love to use it again in pyro but with that strange misalignment...no chance

And how did they break it in the first place, it's not like they were working on it

[plain silo]

ugh

I keep on falling through the map when using the ATLS...

[vestal ravine]

Any way to get modules into a 1 scu crate on a hanger FE? Or is it a Levski glitch?

[vestal ravine]

What I heard you can do is have a 1 scu crate nearby and if someone gets on the terminal grab it with the Maxlift and attack them with it. Then you jump on the terminal.

[elfin rune]

Where can i sell salvage stuff? Any npc?

[devout island]

hell yeah

can see the golum up the back

[spare cloud]

What kind of soulless monster plays in windowed mode

[spare cloud]

Components ? Not worth bothering with unless they're unbuyable ones that can be sold to players. They're very rare tho, as only a very few ships have such components to loot.
Salvage, use the links in the embed below. ⬇️ !cargo

[jolly dagger]

Resources for cargo trading

These websites can be used for finding/planning trade routes, simulating trade prices, and more:

1. SC Trade Tools
2. United Express Corp (UEX)
3. Galactic Logistics

Also check out the #industrial-professions channel for questions about cargo running, recommended ships, etc

[devout island]

I play on a 49" monitor

[coarse ember]

i would talk smack but i play some of my games in windowed mode at like 1280x1024 and set it in the middle of my screen. So i don't have much high ground to shout from

[long frost]

Is it relatively easy possible to yeet off the bottom cargo grid of the hull c? I'm planning on putting a fleet of atlas geo on it with scu boxes for gem mining

[elfin rune]

For example i cant sell yeager qd in omega pro? The npcs just doesnt care?

[spare cloud]

You can sell stuff in stores of the same kind. So ship stuff in ship stuff shops.

But again, absolutely not worth it.

[long frost]

You can do it to clean up your inventory though

[keen garden]

Only if you don’t own the item being sent down

Or put another way, only if it isn’t an owned item (aka no one owns it)

Like I can’t send mole bags down if the player who bought them or owns the ship they were created on isn’t in my party

My understanding is most scu boxes you obtain through contracts, mining, salvaging, and all storals that are bought, have ownership

Makes org ops a little complicated when it comes to selling the results

[near swallow]

From how things were when 4.6 dropped, I believe that technically you own contracted cargo for a mission you are delivering. And with changes they've been making to the inventory system, that's why I started off 4.6 with a bunch of commodities in storage, they were mostly from completed hauling jobs. (Along with some items that were properly mine but were lost long ago when the ship carrying them got blown up. I was carrying left over stuff from Supply or Die, to bring it to Stanton, and got blown up in Pyro.)

[grand shuttle]

@keen garden Mining into an outpost and then refining a raft full worked 100%, work order is going now. Thanks for the tips.

next time I probably wont do full raft though, that took hours to fill up 😄

So you totally can refine from bags on a stored cargo ship.

[ivory gazelle]

Hey, so, what does a weaker Mining laser power mean, exactly? Does it mean that you have to break deposits down more?

[grand shuttle]

+/- laser power effects what you can shatter and what you can vacuum. +/- extraction power is just how big you can hoover, and thus how much you have to break them.

I think, im not really an expert

actually, looks like extraction power and "power" are independant, but different heads have both numbers.

[ivory gazelle]

1 or 2 modules mentioned that lowering the extraction laser also decreased inert material gain

[agile oyster]

Extraction power dose not effect the size of rock you can vacuum it effects the speed of vacuuming you can’t extract a rock over 10 scu with any laser

The laser power determines the biggest rock you can crack

[grand shuttle]

does extraction power determine how much of it you get or is that static at 100% already?

[ivory gazelle]

also, what happens when my Pitman mining head goes down to 0% condition, like the wear and tear

[agile oyster]

0% condition?

[verbal tangle]

Just answered extraction power means speed of extraction

[agile oyster]

FLTR and XTR filter inert material

[agile oyster]

Damage from the rock’s braking

[spare cloud]

No, that'd be the right one.

Also they asked what will happen when it reaches zero, not how it happens.

[agile oyster]

I don’t know what that is either

[spare cloud]

The thing will just stop working.

[agile oyster]

The left number is the wear on the component ?

[hoary monolith]

is mining or salvaging more profitable (or subjectively more fun this patch? I've enjoyed both in the past.

[grand shuttle]

I think its mining, simply because the event has some pretty big payouts for certain mineable resources.

[near swallow]

Setting aside event stuff, both can be pretty good, but how good depends partly on luck and partly what you've got to work with. I've gotten almost a million aUEC from 1 C2 salvage mission, using my C2 to offload the ship's cargo, and a Reclaimer to scrape, fracture, and dissolve the ship. For max profits, you want a cargo ship of some sort for both types of gameplay. For mining, you want it to haul the refined ores to TDD to sell. For salvage, you want to offload cargo, on ships that have cargo space, and sell it. (Though some stuff like carbon isn't really worth the effort.)

[cerulean dove]

Salvaging is super boring to me because there are no mechanics and no depth of knowledge. Mining has a lot more to manage both in the outfitting stage and in the actual process of mining, which makes it so much more interesting to do over a longer period of time.

Even hand mining is incredibly fun to me, but that's mostly because the sound design is peak in caves.

Hearing the rocks boil as you mine them, the crack of your boots on the rock as you drop down ledges, the still quiet as you pause interrupted only by a distant unseen drip of water.

[keen garden]

Salvage is mostly consistent profit, where as with mining you can hit the jackpot so to speak and find very valuable rocks, only find low value rocks, and anything inbetween

Salvage used to have similar jackpots when cargo ships had cargo, but they no longer have anything worth taking

[keen garden]

So, laser power is how much energy your laser can apply to the rock. This is impacted further by resistance, and instability randomly raises and lowers resistance. So more powerful laser = better ability to apply energy to the rock.

Modules that increase extraction power… I believe they are mislabeled, and all they do is increase the speed at which you extract, they don’t seem to impact the size of the rock you can extract

Like the forel module, it’s not a bad idea on a mole to have a laser with a forel so that you can extract quant quicker, giving you more time to make it to a refinery

But it’s generally not necessary unless you are moving quant from pyro to levski

[hoary monolith]

That will be a dealbreaker. The cargo was the best part of salvage!

[agile oyster]

I enjoy mining a lot more than salvaging too but it is fun to spend 1 or 2 days filling up the reclaimer being in the middle of space with no one around
Mining quantainium is the most challenging and fun
It’s unstable and has a green zone that’s 5 pixels wide and very explosive if you over charge it then you have to run to the refinery before your ship blows up
But it’s so satisfying to get a big load of quant to the refinery

[ivory gazelle]

I just realized I said Mining laser, instead of my original question (In my dumbass brain) being for the EXTRACTION laser power, whoops

[keen garden]

An, yeah I’m pretty sure that’s just extraction speed, I took several modules out and it never seems to let me extract larger stuff, once I put it on the UX stats indicated faster speed instead

[near swallow]

Salvage mission ships do have cargo. And some of it (gold) can be worth a bunch.

They don't apparently have quant anymore though thanks to Wikelo.

[devout island]

is thre anything I can do about the roc-ds ore pods and the warehouse lift

they are wall stuck in it

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-173471

yeah know isue

issue

[devout island]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-194335#contribution:07d1eb2d-2b8c-48e8-a773-0bc9224551d7 this seems to be the latest one

[sour folio]

I believe it's just a visual bug. If you drag them they'll appear normal

At least that was the case when I loaded 8 roc pods onto my ship. Looked like they was in the floor, but it was just a visual bug. They spawned perfectly

[devout island]

nah I had like 4 drop and gone for all time

going to see if it impacts the normal roc pods or just roc ds

[devout island]

looks like normal rocs might be good

so guess I know what I am buying next

[sour folio]

I think the roc-ds pods hold more, but the issue with them happens every time they're snapped to a grid, so normal roc pods are better since they just have a visual glitch

[cerulean dove]

are the DS lasers working? the regular ROC still has its laser misaligned

[devout island]

Do normal roc pods fit a ds ? @cerulean dove Yeah found that out after I got a roc and went to mine

I then went and laid down in the bed of the ship I have a wasn’t able to get up at all so I alt f4

So many bug

So so many

Yeah alpha , that is the only reason it get a pass

[cerulean dove]

So far I've just been handmining but going back after with the roc to vacuum the gems lmao

[chilly plover]

is it possible to rent a vulture in 4.6?

[olive gull]

try at Levski
Source: https://uexcorp.space/vehicles/home/list/in_game_rent/

[chilly plover]

thank you!

[next idol]

anyone can explain to me the event rn? cant find it anywhere dasdasd

I think I can do it doing salvage?

[coarse ember]

don't believe salvage will fill any portion of it unless you mean "salvaging" ships for their cargo

[next idol]

ooh thanks! I thouyght there was somehting rlated to salvage, I will just do cargo stuff then

[coarse ember]

if you'd like, i got some ice for collections progress at tressler, quick few trips between tressler and new babbage dependng how big your ship is

[sour folio]

Does anyone know why the intersteller cargo hauling missions to stations have so much cargo? I get that if you're traveling that far it might as well be with a lot of cargo. But there is only a handful of ships that can fill up the 400+ mark

[pearl juniper]

because they are missions designed for those big ships? Seems reasonable to me, there are plenty of hauling missions designed for small ships

there are some raft sized intersteller missions too

[echo stone]

Is surface mining just plain superior to astroid mining? Or am I missing something?

[keen garden]

yes

especially in pyro

[echo stone]

Just been doing it in Stanton so far.

[agile oyster]

With Asteroids there is usually only 1 rock with surface mining there are clusters of rocks with 1 - 18 rocks
The more rocks there are the higher the chance of finding good ore

[near swallow]

There are clusters of asteroids as well. And for both mining types you can find a single rock that's big enough to fill up even a Mole.

[keen garden]

ground clusers just increase the number of rocks you see per hour, which statistically means more quant rocks

assuming you aren't mining somewhere with a super thick annoying atmosphere

[long frost]

Terminus is annoying for its atmosphere but has one of the highest chances of stilerone and riccite

Probably wrote those wrong

[keen garden]

That is correct

[trail wolf]

whats better atls geo or roc mining

[worldly berry]

which mining head is good for prospector guys and mods also?

[fringe torrent]

I use Helix I

[worldly berry]

with focus 3 and rieger c3 ?

[fringe torrent]

That's a good choice. I use Rieger-C3 and XTR-XL

[worldly berry]

do you prefer that or yours?

[fringe torrent]

Depends on the rocks and what you're mining for really

[worldly berry]

idk i m new at this game and minnig

i need some money for buy ships

[fringe torrent]

Focus III will help as a new player. Increases the safe zone

[worldly berry]

thanks for help

[agile oyster]

I would go with the helix and 2 surge once you get good at mining you can break bigger rocks but the green zone is very small

[grand shuttle]

Right now im using a helix 1, focus III, and a surge ( prospector)
im really liking the power of a helix, but im finding that using it with a surge module is very hard to control.

if I go to double xtrl-xl, does the malus to extraction power only affect the rate is sucks up rocks?

[long frost]

Yes

[grand shuttle]

Thanks

[worldly berry]

is it good for the first time ?

[agile oyster]

Yeah pretty good
But you should use Dinyx Solvention instead of Pyrometric Chromalysis
Pyrometric Chromalysis is the most expensive refining method with high yield Dinyx Solvention gives the same yield at a much lower price you just have to wait longer

[blissful yacht]

whats the best planet for member rank hauling?

[grand shuttle]

I took this mission from alliance aid so I could try the caterpillar you rescue?
guys, this ship is so terrible.

its like they intentionally designed the worst hauler possible

[cerulean dove]

which is such a shame because I love the asymmetrical cockpit where you can see the long stretch of ship and blinky lights as you fly

[grand shuttle]

I mean, the fov makes the mfds seem too far away but the little cockpit pod is tolerable aside from that

[cerulean dove]

Yeah. Like, they're not going to let us swap the cargo modules anyways so they should've just merged them all into one super cargobay

[grand shuttle]

and like the way that the ladders you use to access the cargo bay are blocked when the cargo bay is full...

the tractor positions that cant even see into the bays...

the doors that aren't ramps for some stupid reason

the way you can only really load the bays from the starboard side...

[cerulean dove]

which is on the opposite side of the FEs

so you have to do some weird jank positioning in the hangar

and it'll be one of the last ships to get gold standard because they just powercrept it with the ironclad

[grand shuttle]

ugh. this mission is paying me almost 200k to unload this thing and I just alt-f4 in disgust instead.

[next idol]

Idk too much about the ship development but usually when they are horrid when it comes to real use it’s because they were created before the physical cargo

Also for some reason they can’t make certain movement of ship parts in game?

[keen garden]

It’s difficult for animations to exist with multiple stop points. This means, for the cat, it can’t have its side door both be an elevator and a door. It can’t have the mid-way stop it needs to be the most useful. The other issue it has is it just too cramped to fit the cargo it’s meant to carry without it being difficult to load/unload

The grid goes edge to edge on each module with no walking room, and it’s too close to the catwalk which causes collision issues there

Almost needs to just be scaled up a touch

Little longer, little taller, little wider,

[next idol]

I’m sure they can hire a Minecraft modder and it will be done in one week

[mild pumice]

Microtech, but Hurston is also decent for stacking local missions due to DCs

MT did have a 6 missions loop when I was doing the grind

[elfin rune]

Any way to open a cockpit to salvage the components? Shooting doesnt work

[blissful yacht]

aight bet so they have the shortest contracts

what about after member in the higher ranks do they get more of the direct missions?

[mild pumice]

No as you rank up they go to 3 and 4 drops

They never really get better

[blissful yacht]

ah

also is it worth full buying the argo raft while i grind for hull c or just keep it on rent

i've got just under 3 mil atm

[mild pumice]

Hull C missions were nerfed but it's a fun ship, when it works. Raft 100% worth buying

[long frost]

Speaking of multiple stop points, isn't it the same concept as with multi stop elevators like in the starlancer or the raft?

Just for the cat it would be half opened as first stop (leveled with interior) and fully opened as second stop

[grand shuttle]

Re: The Caterpillar:
Is the confusing internal layout with an over abundance of small compartments another example of early-ship-design weirdness?
The bay door/elevators sound neat in principle, but they really ought to just be ramps for ease of access. That change alone would go a long way towards making the ship at least in the realm of usable. It would still be the worst hauler by far, but at least it wouldn't be completely garbage.

If they want it to be elevators, the whole cargo grid should drop down like the starlancer, taurus, etc.

[warped kestrel]

it is a hit and miss with this ship- but only good for hauling if you got loads of 1-8 SCU boxes, 16 SCU boxes are ok but then your limited as well , when i got it was good but if i saved another 4million UEC then C2 ship is better

[cold plume]

what mining heads should i get for my MISC prospector to mine big asteroids?

[grand shuttle]

helix I

[olive gull]

Helix 1 plus a Rieger C3 Passive head and a Stampede or a Surge active head,
there will be still a limit to what a Prospector can break

[cold plume]

thanks

[spare cloud]

You can run dual Surge too. But meh green window and that'll limit you to a few rocks only when not using the gadget.

[atomic mortar]

Fellas I haven't mined in ages, is there any specific area I should go to in Nyx to mine w/ my prospector?

[grand shuttle]

So its monday morning and im trying to wrap my head around the mining laser formula for max rock size.
If im undestanding this right, a mining laser with a 25% resistance malus vs a laser with 0%, can mine a maximum rock of 75% the size, if all else is equal, right?

[pearl juniper]

Laser resistance +- bypasses or adds to a rocks resistance, I believe.

play with this a bit #industrial-professions message

[keen garden]

No, the nyx mining area is just one big Homogeneous ring at the moment

I found nyx to be a bit more difficult to mine than pyro/stanton, because torite seems to have pretty rough resistance and instability values. But maybe it’s just that the two new ores that frequently spawn with it are rough.

[grand shuttle]

can the srv take a ship in tow into quantum drive?

[keen garden]

I haven’t been able to get it to

Dunno if it’s just entirely disabled, or if there’s a size limit

[grand shuttle]

that does kind of limits its utility

[keen garden]

Last thing I towed was my mole

In a sense I think it makes sense, and we’re just missing the ships that support its utility

For example, if I needed to tow a smaller ship I’d be towing it onto another ship that can carry it through quantum

Like a liberator once that’s out

For anything bigger… we should be able to bring fresh components and just swap them to limp it back to a pad

But that too isn’t working atm for anything with a s3 or bigger QT drive

[static island]

Can anyone give me a hand? Adagio rep says ally, but I am still only getting very low tier contracts, typically avenger or arrow. Sometimes I will get something slightly bigger, but nothing really good

[keen garden]

I don’t think those are in any way impacted by rep, after your first few you should be getting 20k claim tickets that spawn bigger ships

20k is the max

Used to be 50k but it was adjusted with the cmat refining change a few patches ago

[static island]

I'm not even getting 10k claim tickets. Almost all 1k with a very rare 5k

Adagio rep page is blank but says I am ally

[spare cloud]

It should be able to take any S4 ship or smaller.
Don't know if it works at all this patch.

[narrow stirrup]

does this mean its done or no? I'm confused

[agile oyster]

It’s done just a bug with 4.6

[narrow stirrup]

ok thanks!

[static island]

Anyone have any advice for the adagio thing?

[narrow stirrup]

so i can just complete it correct, i dont have to do anything else?

[static island]

Yeah nel it did the same thing to me

[narrow stirrup]

ok thanks! hopefully someone can help you out soon!

[elfin rune]

any news about salvage MOLE?

[static island]

Is anyone able to join me and share a high value salvage contract?

[keen garden]

Just a few sneak peek images

[agile oyster]

Salvage mole will be released Wednesday

[agile oyster]

The salvage contracts are coming Wednesday

[static island]

So adagio rep being blank is a thing atm?

[elfin rune]

dont give me hope if its not true

[agile oyster]

They say behind the ships on Wednesday and they only do that when a new ship is released and the ship has to be the salvage mole

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/en/comm-link/transmission/21010-This-Week-In-Star-Citizen

[agile oyster]

100% coming Wednesday

We’ll also release a new episode of Behind the Ships, with Argo's latest landing in the ’verse that very same day.

[elfin rune]

thank you, wallet ready

[lone tendon]

Just got a prospector after firming the golem for ages and damn is this thing better

I just wish I could drop the bags somewhere and mark them planetside so I could mine 64SCU and come back to pick the bags up

[pearl juniper]

Oh yeah, beacons would be sooo nice. Something you could drop that would give you a marker to come back to. Give them a 6-12hr "battery life" or something maybe. But it would be nice to be able to mark things

[keen garden]

there is a way to do that currently, with outposts, in stanton

land a hauler, like a hull A, raft, etc with empty bags (with 4 empty slots) and leave it at a surface outpost in armistice with a freight elevator. Now go out mining, and dump filled bags down that elevator, refilling your prospector with the empty bags. When you're done for the day, either leave the full bags there or load them on your hauler and take your hauler home/to a refinery etc

works in pyro too, if you don't care about losing mole bags left on the hauler outside of armistice

could also just leave the hauler out in empty space, but you risk the game deciding to not give you a marker to it.

[jolly plover]

ill time myself tomorrow but right now i think im getting about 37 scu/hour (~$280k profit) in my vulture. dont know if this is low and just need to get more experience on how to salvage efficiently

so 6 vulture trips would equal my 192scu which would be the $1463616 for like 6ish hours workmaybe 3 if i get it all down packed

dont know if my math is adding up correctly but thats what i could figure out

[summer dew]

Anyone know what the scan resolution of an I-type asteroid is?

[olive gull]

I-Type: 1660

[pearl juniper]

Asteroid signatures are all messed up currently, or were a couple of days ago. I was seeing either no sig at all, or sigs in the 4xxx range for single asteroids of various types. That or that chart is out of date

[olive gull]

there are 4xxx signals, they mean bigger rocks,
notice the chart has several columns?

[pearl juniper]

Ahh, I thought that was multiple rocks, not bigger ones. I didn't look at the chart at the time, but had a friend looking at one, and none of the sigs were matching anything on the chart. Maybe the one HE found was out of date. I think he was on regolith though

[grand shuttle]

I think there was some changes or bugs introduced in 4.6

[verbal tangle]

Well bugs are a given. This is Star citizen after all.

But yeah I remember them saying asteroid signatures were changing

[keen garden]

I-type asteroids are 4k

If there’s 2 it’ll be 8k

The frequencies in most cheat sheets/wiki’s are wrong at the moment

4k as in 4000

It does overlap with panels

Also… all ship Minables planet side are also 4k, no more targeting a specific rock type using frequencies on the surface

And… it does overlap with hand minables…

Imo this change has been an overall negative. It seems to have been done with good intentions, but it just isn’t quite where it needs to be

It is easier now to find hand minables, because if it’s odd it’s a hand minable, but not every even is a ship minable.

[grand shuttle]

Im hoping if we get a salvage mole that it at least has an updated interior

[keen garden]

Expecting it to have physicalized components and an engineering terminal

Hopefully… some of that gets pushed forward to the mole in a patch or two

[verbal tangle]

And maybe just maybe LAMP support

Nah asking too much now.

[keen garden]

Mole has it, but it seems mostly useless to me

Used it on Adir at night and it looked like I was on the surface of the sun

[grand shuttle]

what color is it?

[keen garden]

Orange

[grand shuttle]

The way its based on manufacturer is kind of stupid from a usability standpoint. Theres a legitimate reason IRL night vision is green: thats the color the human eye is best at differentiating shades of.

[keen garden]

The mole’s default orange text when not in lamp is also a bit problematic, on adir’s white deserts

Just not enough contrast

[grand shuttle]

same problem with the yellow-orange used by drake

[pearl juniper]

hand mineables are at least easy to sort out as they tend to come in big clusters (60k is, in my experience, never rocks), and once you get a little close they pop to a tight cluster of "unknown" icons, vs a more spread out group of "unknown" for rocks.

[keen garden]

I found it easier to ignore the frequencies entirely and just rely on narrowing the scan range so the individual objects appear

Which… feels bad imo

Kinda defeats the purpose of having frequencies

I’d like to see hand minables get frequencies that are just entirely in a different range

Like… 120 per rock

30 rocks = 3600

Then put ship minables back to what they were

Still a chance for overlap, but far less likely

[agile oyster]

Or let you filter what your ship scans
But that would still require the RS signature to be different like it used to be

[keen garden]

Yea, if they made this change then gave us the ability to set a frequency range… that’d be huge

Then I can filter to only rock clusters on the surface bigger than x

Or smaller if looking for hand minables

[hoary monolith]

which industrial gameplay loops have the highest skill ceiling? I'm assuming some form of mining?

[verbal tangle]

Well I'd say salvage doesn't really have a skill base to it. Show up, scrap, disintegrate, and take components you want (not in that order lmao)

Mining isn't tough to learn conceptually but takes some practice. But compared to "difficulty" of salvage, mining is absolutely a higher skill cap.

For salvage I'd say 90% of the "skill" is knowing what ship contracts are suited for what you want to get out of the run, literally.

Or knowing where to find good scraps that aren't contract oriented.

[agile oyster]

Salvage is easy
The skill for hauling is how quickly and efficiently you can load your ship
And ship mining is the hardest you have to figure out where to mine to find the ore you want
The best ore is the hardest to mine the green zone is pixels wide sometimes and keeping in that zone is almost impossible it likes to jump to the red and you blow up the rock and lose the ore or blow up your ship and with Quantanium you have 25 minutes to get it to the refinery before your ship blows up once you suck it up

[grand shuttle]

Someone suggested that new salvage ship might be RAFT based rather than MOLE based. That would be awesome.

[agile oyster]

It looks like the mole maybe the combined the mole and raft to make it

[olive gull]

its the Salvage variant of the Argo ships, they had already announced it, and its gonna be the next ship on release

[verbal tangle]

Supposedly its called the Moth

And it supposedly is solo-able.

Better with crew, but based on the promo post I just saw it says fly solo or with a crew.

[keen garden]

I mean

The Polaris is soloable

So that’s not saying much

I half expect it to more or less be the reclaimer in a smaller package with smaller laser footprint

Pilot with nothing or just the claw, and two manned scraper heads

More’n likely it’ll have the same co-pilot claw setup

[agile oyster]

What would moth stand for ?
MOLE is Multi Operator Laser Extractor
MOTH would be Multi Operator - -?

I hope it has size 2 salvage heads

[verbal tangle]

Multi-Operator Twin-Headed Salvager

idk honestly

But the promo i saw has it labelled as MOTH

[daring ginkgo]

Is there a website to view what refineries offer construction material yield bonuses?

[olive gull]

!regolit

[left ore]

!regolith

[jolly dagger]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[left ore]

I was just checking the pins to see if it was listed, but yeah - check pins and check out Regolith, that's your best chance.

[daring ginkgo]

Thank you!

[grand shuttle]

Did they change vulture cmat ratio in 4.6?

[next idol]

I think the changes might come with the new aalvage ship

Or that was a head of

[hoary hinge]

Do we know if the Arrastra will have S2 mining lasers? or is it entirely unstated?

[slate spruce]

Arrastra is still pretty much only a .jpg. Maybe it'll get S3 lasers, given the specs on paper.

[spare cloud]

Concept says S3 mining heads.
With new rocks required for it. Same ones, just larger. Exactly like the Orion is supposed to have its own dedicated rock size, but a step before that.

[merry cipher]

i love the concept for the bridge on arrastra

[spare cloud]

More soloable than a MOLE

[long frost]

So is it planned that the pilot can mine from the pilot seat?😅

[spare cloud]

No.

It's just that every operating seat is in the same room. No running around.

[grand shuttle]

Anyone seeing the new mining/salvage missions in game?

[keen garden]

Doubt it