industrial-professions

[gaunt bough]

I feel that

[red granite]

since you're solo though, you'll probably want the actives to crack bigger rocks

I have the benefit of 2 alts manning my lasers so as a solo I'm a 3 laser MOLE

[gaunt bough]

oh wtf

thats HELLA smart

I imagine ima need a separate pc to do that tho

[red granite]

use the drop downs on this sheet to see the max mass you'll be able to crack

you can multi-box on 1 machine with SC but it is a PITA to setup

[gaunt bough]

oh hell yeah

like sandboxie or some shet

this is what ill try next

need to swap port and starboard tho

[runic aurora]

are there more missions from red wings once you level up rep?

[gaunt bough]

lol impact with surge+surge+stampede and a sabir has a slightly higher upper mass limit

[gaunt bough]

er is there something I need to do with this spreadsheet so I can edit the other 2 lasers

[red granite]

I might have borked it when I transferred. do the dropdowns not work?

[gaunt bough]

Just laser q

Laser 1

Laser 2 and 3 the drop downs show Laser 3 Mod 1 Mod 3 Mod 3

[red granite]

#helpdesk message

grab it fresh, I likely messed something up

[glass dust]

Is Reclaimer worth it?

[wraith tree]

@red granite you were right, you can run two surges. Sorry for the late reply

[royal spear]

Worth what? What is your success criteria? Will you make back your $ if you pledge for it? no. 😛

[glass dust]

for 2-4 people:

• Usability
• Fun factor
• Worth the time spend
  (do not need crazy profit, but should be able to cover the costs and make something extra)

[royal spear]

well I may be biased as it's easily one of my top 3 favourite ships but yes, it's worth your time. The profits are a bit shaky atm as they are reworking salvage and the reclaimer has definitely got its challenges and design flaws but it functions ok. It is a ship that you can feasibly use solo but drastically scales in efficiency with crew.

[glass dust]

Thanks

[gaunt bough]

hey whats the fastest way to swap MOLE bags? I was hoping id be able to eject them off but idk if thats a thing

[unique ridge]

you just have to unlock ports and tractor beam them off

[sharp swift]

Yes, the Reclaimer is worth it. Your friends won't need to invest their real money into the game to achieve the ships they want to earn in game. Salvage's profitability is in a good spot and the Reclaimer offers a few loops within a current operation on its own: piloting, turret operating/salvaging, and crate stacking. It has PDCs so its able to passively handle some aggressive contact, it also has remotely manned turrets to cover active combat stuff.

[tall karma]

Salvage will be a little slower on profit come next patch, no? Don't you have to refine salvaged stuff now? I'm not following this closely....

[sharp swift]

Yes but the refining times don't appear to be that significant. Refining times for mining materials also went down recently so there shouldn't be a multi-day wait for things anymore

[cerulean lichen]

So is there a big difference between the golem and the prospector? Outside of one having an interior with a bed.

[sharp swift]

The Golem cannot swap out its laser like the Prospector can.

[tall karma]

You can hold more raw ore with the Prospector because the pods can be swapped and you will have a "max power" head all the time which can increase the difficulty on some ore as the range for success will be notably harder to achieve.

I think overall though, with the right gadgets and attachments, you can usually make the golem work for the same mining content as the prospector.

[cerulean lichen]

Ok

I’m debating if it’s worth melting my prospector I don’t use much and picking up a golem instead so I have some store credit come IAE😅

[knotty bolt]

Refining times went down? It took me like 40 hours with pyrometric on the ptu, or was that changed?

[sharp swift]

Down, relative to the amount of SCU submitted.

[knotty bolt]

Gotcha. So it would still take multi-days with a good Reclaimer run xD

But with a mole it would be fine

[sharp swift]

Go fill up and let us know how long it takes. It's still only in the PTU

[knotty bolt]

I would if I weren't going to bed any minute now. Working overtime irl kills my energy to work overtime online xd
I think I might have exagerated tho, or rahter talking about the wrong method. Pretty sure in hindsight it was closer to 10 hours for a good run (about 1000 scu CMAT) with pyrometric.
I think I was running ferron, with that its about 30 hours for that amount.

[mild cloud]

I heard something about the Atls being changed so the box isn't in your face anymore, can anyone confirm?

[sharp swift]

It was said on a video, but someone else said nothing has changed. It's possible video 1 had people who weren't used to how it works, especially so considering angles.

[mild cloud]

It would be such a huge quality of life improvement

[sharp swift]

As far as I understand it, the box still goes over your head. It also runs into clearance issues depending on circumstances (is something above your head/the ATLS)

[unique ridge]

just use freelook and the box won't be in your face

you're not using the atls right if the box is in your face

there are some youtube videos that you can watch that explain how to use atls correctly

[mild cloud]

Thanks

[unique ridge]

sure np it's worth the time to check out some videos you'll be a lot happier using it

but you probably won't be using it much after this patch

they buffed the tractor beams so much there's really no need to use an atls anymore

[red granite]

Thanks for confirming and letting me know!

It's always good to get more data points. You never know with this game. On certain things everyone has a different experience

[gaunt bough]

ive been running an Impact with Surge x2 and a stampede with sabir gadget and its been working good

using all modules if needed to break large rock in solo ship

[red granite]

Nice. I need to switch up my setups and test things. Been stuck on the same loadout for years now

[gaunt bough]

idk if I want a filter laser or not but been doing something like this for solo

[unique ridge]

why would you put fltr on your helix?

[gaunt bough]

I dont even use it for cracking anymore

ive had no problems using the Impact with that setup alone

[unique ridge]

what's the max sized rock you can break then

[gaunt bough]

uh ive so far managed like a 38k

havent found anything good in the 40s yet but I think I can hit 40k

[unique ridge]

yeah that's probably max for that setup

[gaunt bough]

thats with a sabir

Idk can a helix do more?

also I dont like dealing with it shrinking the green

[wraith tree]

now if I can just get rocks to not kill me when i'm in the green safety range from the rock

[red granite]

I forget which lasers have the longer range. That's the last thing I think about when making a loadout, I should consider it more

[wraith tree]

its frustrating, especially since it leave the ship absolutly untouched

[jovial matrix]

just melt the prospector and buy a golem ingame, its only a mil

[wraith tree]

its like my dude gets fatal whiplash

[red granite]

I actually might do the Wikelo Golem

[gaunt bough]

I think bringing shatter damage down helps with the bits of damage u sometimes get

[red granite]

what's the biggest rock we've found? 84,500 mass is the largest I've personally seen (and cracked!)

[gaunt bough]

ive cracked near 120

was on worse setup and needed a prospector

[red granite]

so 136k might actually be necessary dang!

[gaunt bough]

I think with this if everyone does it perfectly it'll work

I find 100k+ mass pretty regularly

I had to pass up a 115k 49.5% quant the other day cause I was solo at 3am

[wraith tree]

hell, I found a 32,000 mass rock and with a helix 1, two surges and a spir gadget on it I still couldn't get the energy level to budge

[gaunt bough]

this setup ive cracked near 40k with a sabir

its S2 Lasers tho

[wraith tree]

oh that will make a difference

[gaunt bough]

idk if prospector can push that hard

[wraith tree]

I was about to ask what the hell am I doing wrong

I need to try some of these wikelo jobs

idk why but ive been ignoring the whole thing

[unique ridge]

it's got nn-13's

that's why i did it

[olive gull]

you are not alone, same here, fack Wikelo! 😋

[red granite]

100k+ on the reg? I do moons. Is this in space around stations/Aaron Halo?

[wraith tree]

I look at the spread sheets and in my head it reads like "100 thousand favor coins, a fruit from a place thats glitched as fuck, a wompledoodle" and its like "pass"

[olive gull]

in my case i ignore Wikelo cuz i dont want to be involved in any that remotelly smells like PVP, like that Carenite stuff

[gaunt bough]

Lyria is where I go

I saw a lot on some pyro planets too

[red granite]

Hmm, it's either Lyria or Wala where I normally am as well

maybe I'm just unlucky and don't find the big ones. Or you've already cracked them!

[gaunt bough]

uh 1 thing that can help is just making sure ur only hitting clusters

they are def rarer than normal rocks I guess but if I go mining for a few hours ill find a bunch during the journey

sometimes u even get like 3 in a cluster

[wraith tree]

I've had good luck at Clio

[gaunt bough]

CIG need to hurry up so I can return to mining

fking patch

[wraith tree]

whats broken that you need fixed?

[gaunt bough]

my work orders will get delete

if they no finish

[wraith tree]

oh

[gaunt bough]

Are there any non-mining ships that can determine a rocks composition?

[wraith tree]

not that i've seen

[gaunt bough]

sucks they did that

[mystic swallow]

hopefully in some (hopefully again) not so far future every ship'll be able to once they revamp scanning ?

[verbal nimbus]

did they change the red wind missions?
i'm at arccorp rn and only have 2 missions available

[untold crest]

I'm looking for a wealthy industrial GROUP for a potential mutually beneficial partnership. Must be a naughty boi and a man of culture

I want to make a huge splash in the market

[verbal nimbus]

Anyone get to see by how much they increased Scrap value?

[verbal nimbus]

If it involves hostile activities i might have some people

We're semi-industrial

[elfin rune]

CAN some1 tell me please the RMC and CM prices before and after refining? id like to come back to the verse but im a reclaimer guy

[pearl juniper]

there is no price before refining, my understanding is CM must be refined to sell

prices are in the patch notes I believe

but what isn't is that you lose a lot in the refining process

[blissful flume]

Is it worth it then

[red granite]

that's a highly subjective question, what would make it worth it to you? Do you have a minimum number?

[pearl juniper]

why dont you go try it and find out?

[compact plank]

Has anyone been able to mine at Cru L3 yet? Star map shows it exists, but not appearing in quantum HUD. And when you do quantum to it, can't quantum to any of the asteroid clusters.

[blissful flume]

Can anyone refine salvage?

[glass dust]

is it possible to refine from reclaimer cargo hold?

[coarse ember]

the patch notes imply a no, you have to take it elsewhere to be refined/sold

wrong thing highlighted lol, towards the bottom 3rd row

[blissful flume]

It won't populate any work order flew to cl1 refine station

[wise stump]

Did others had there HH rep restart. I got my old standings still standing. When I did a mission it started a new Standing with them..

[drifting cave]

Anyone test vulture salvage yet?

I wanna know if it's worth saving for one

[karmic stirrup]

Since the changes with salvaging, is it now better to go for both RMC and Construction mats to maximise profits?

I checked SC Tools, RMC seems to be x2/x3 more than CM, unless these prices haven’t been updated just yet to match

[karmic stirrup]

I got my vulture a few days ago, and I really enjoy the gameplay loop. It’s a fun little ship that admittedly nets you a little less money than stacking some hauling jobs, it’s much more relaxing and with no time constraints.

[drifting cave]

I mean after the changes, mostly

since prices got shaken up a bunch

[karmic stirrup]

Ive just completed my first “mixed” run with my vulture, only came here to take a little break and for the question about Construction mats. Gotta wait a couple of hours now for them to refine.

[drifting cave]

Keep me in the loop 🙏

[karmic stirrup]

Will do mate 👍🏼

[wooden kraken]

Anyone having issues in their Mole with the turret info?

[void nova]

lol

i think salvaging might suck

that was like 550scu of unrefined CM

for 83 scu of refined

[jovial matrix]

maybe try ferox, or the other one

[void nova]

its 30 hours with ferrox

[jovial matrix]

wait what 💀

[void nova]

but the yields suck

[jovial matrix]

thats crazy

[compact plank]

Anyone having this bug in a mole where you cant get rock info, only in mining mode...

[stark torrent]

MOLE Loaners

Prospector

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[red granite]

I'm lazy or I'd get the IC and CIG response. Known bug. hence the prospector loaner

[compact plank]

Dang so no work around atm. Well that stinks

[red granite]

Not that I know of. I'm sure you can still mine it. Might need someone as a "spotter" in a working scan laser.

and good communication skills throughout the team

[pearl juniper]

SC trade tools is out of date relative to the prices in the patch notes. I suspect the only way salvage will be good money is to take both (which is good, IMHO). Panels are probably not worth it for a while.

I'm thinking I might give it a try just for kicks, it's been a long time since I have flown the vulture

[karmic stirrup]

That’s what I’ve done atm, taken both, waiting for the refinery so I can see the results 🙏🏼

[pearl juniper]

I suspect for max efficiency, pyro will be best, since you can sell cmat at the station with the refinery. If there is one that also buys rmc, that would be ideal. Eliminate the cargo hauling loop.

[void nova]

where is good for reclaimer in pyro?

the yield i got tonight was unimpressive but it wouldnt be quite as bad without all the box jockeying

still not good though

[pearl juniper]

80 scu should still be 650k ish right? How long does it take to collect 550 with the reclaimer? Not long right?

[void nova]

Was maybe 2 hours with 3 people

[blissful flume]

How are you guys refining it's not working for me

[void nova]

And took about an hour more to do all the box moving

[blissful flume]

It gives me no option even if I store my ship

[void nova]

You have to put it on freight elevator

[blissful flume]

@void nova is send me to a docking station

[void nova]

Yeah that’s the problem i

[pearl juniper]

Damn really? Last time I played with a reclaimer, which I admit was a while ago, I thought cmat collection was pretty quick

[void nova]

You go to ground station and unload into a cargo station

[blissful flume]

So I have to land unload then then reload

[void nova]

Cargo ship I mean

Yes it’s not good for bad money

[blissful flume]

I watched video of someone storing it that's crazy

[void nova]

They should add refineries to cities

Makes no sense they only exist in space

[blissful flume]

It suppose to be able to land in a space station that's y they add docking for reclaiming

[void nova]

I imagine the amount of stuff you store off grid on reclaimer wouldn’t play well with refining straight from it anyway

[blissful flume]

So... I'm having a theory

It says I have 0.73 unrefined and I can sell for 6k. I'm wondering if I need to get from 0.73 to at least 1 cmt to start the process

[pearl juniper]

Wait, if you can sell unrefined for 6k, that's a way better deal than refining, losing a bunch, to only get 8k after

Oh, .73 must just be the buffer.

[blissful flume]

I thought it was worth 8k a pop

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, but you lose like 50-70% to the refinery

10 scu in = 3-5 out, depending on exactly what went in

[void nova]

550 scu to 83

[pearl juniper]

Yeah that's only 15%

[blissful flume]

What's the cost to send it in

[void nova]

I don’t understand how they expect you to pay a crew when yields are this bad

I’d have made much much more in a hull c than the reclaimer total , which I have to split 3 ways

[blissful flume]

That's what I tell guys all the time reclaimer always told by cig it's a multi ship but you can't afford to hire

[pearl juniper]

Yeah they don't seem to be able to balance different professions against each other effectively

[red granite]

What's the aUEC per hour calculation?

[blissful flume]

5k

[void nova]

That was honestly about 100k an hour, abysmal

[red granite]

can I check your math

are we saying that 83 SCU took 1 hour to collect, let's disregard the time to refine but include the fees. what does that sell for and how many dudes did it take

[blissful flume]

I heard mining went up it prices so moles might be a crew ship

[void nova]

No

I collect 550 scu

[red granite]

right

[void nova]

Refined it’s 83 scu

[red granite]

which turned into 83 to sell

what's 83SCU worth

[void nova]

Like 699k

[red granite]

and what was the fee for refine?

[void nova]

600

8i

8k

[red granite]

call it 600k per hour

forgetting refine time?

[void nova]

That was an hour 45 to collect

31 hours of refining

Split 3 ways

[red granite]

that's not bad, it's not the crazy easy money is used to be but that seems balanced to me

[blissful flume]

Where do u sell

Cmt

[red granite]

should reclaimer running pay more than risky bounty hunting and mercenary? I think they should all be pretty close and balanced myself

[void nova]

600k split 3 ways for over 2 hours work taking into account moving boxes into a c2 to refine is not good

[red granite]

kind of hard to fail or get pirated in the reclaimer but missions can fail

[blissful flume]

It's very easy the hull is trash

[red granite]

not good by old loop comparison, but how does it stack against say... you 3 doing ERTs or gilly gauntlet?

[compact plank]

just did that with boy

[void nova]

I’d make more doing anything else in the game

[red granite]

Nice, work out alright?

[void nova]

I’d make more running rookie cargo

[blissful flume]

Honestly the gauntlet tier 7 I believe is my got to

[red granite]

HOw much more?

[void nova]

A lot

[red granite]

prove it

this is not helpful

[void nova]

I’d make more than that in 1 hull c mission

That takes 15 minutes

[blissful flume]

True

[red granite]

are you sure about that in 4.3.2

[void nova]

They have not been adjusted

[red granite]

what happens when autoloading is gone

[void nova]

Auto loading will not be gone it just won’t be free

[red granite]

they are trying to get balance, payouts adjusted for risk/reward/effort

[void nova]

I’d make more running boxes from ecrus to loreville

[red granite]

these industrial loops are going to get crushed in the process, they make way more than they should

[void nova]

Everus

It’s a ship that costs 31m to buy

[red granite]

the everus to lorvile stack is what? 200k an hour for a solo?

[void nova]

Should it not earn more than 100k an hour?

[red granite]

so we can use that as a solid baseline

[compact plank]

Oh yeah, 91 SCU's of taranite secured

3 surges and a dream lol. cracked like cake

[red granite]

Congrats! so the lasers work fine you are just blind eh?

[compact plank]

Yeah, you are just working blind.

[blissful flume]

I'm sorry where do you sell cmt?

[red granite]

It should, I'm trying to get useful data instead of "not enough, way more, etc"

the answer to "which gameloop is the best money" should be whichever you want instead of "go do this thing which you may hate or think is boring or too risky/involved"

with caveats, agreed ships that are expensive should open pathways to more aUEC/hr and riskier jobs should pay the best

[void nova]

If they want anyone to do this the refinery needs to output much more to support a crew

[red granite]

What I see from my anecdotal small sample size however is people grind for money doing whatever meta (dupree, hauling stacking from LO to city, salvage, whatever that patches exploit is) get money and then get bored with the game because making money isn't fun. I just want every game loop to pay what it deserves so there's balance

[red granite]

Yeah 550 to 83 is ridiculous

[blissful flume]

Yes enough for a crew have a Polaris what can I do to pay for a crew

[red granite]

but for essentially 0 risk and 0 possibility to fail (assuming no bugs) it's perfectly fine in my book for aUEC/hr

hopefully crafting will boost the industrial profession

[blissful flume]

🤞

[red granite]

where aUEC won't be the metric we use to compare loops

Call me a jerk but it puts a smile on my face when I read that the Hull-C won't load/unload at the cargo area on those 700k missions. 15 minutes to QT somewhere does not deserver 700k

100k, sure you've earned it by slogging through the rep and buying the hull-c but 700k is ridiculous

[void nova]

Hull c is op yes

I do the stuff I enjoy with friends like mining and salvage but it doesn’t really pay the bills

[red granite]

I wonder if they have a formula for payouts. Something where risk, failure rate, time, investment, skill are factored in

[void nova]

But we will go back to mining after tonight I think

[red granite]

what bills?

[void nova]

It’s not mega bucks but it’s a lot more

[red granite]

everyone is a millionaire in this game. It's way too easy to make money

[void nova]

I play game to make money to buy cool ships

I only have pledged stater pack

[red granite]

same, and I guess I play a lot and take advantage of the events but I've already bought every ship that's available for aUEC in the game and have 500m in the bank. it's stupid easy to make money and we don't have enough sinks

[void nova]

I’ve only played for a little over a month

[red granite]

it is my main game so that is likely why but idk what you want. You want to be at end game and be me with 0 goals to work towards that quickly?

I spend my time now bullshitting and finding bugs because there's no progression and no need for money right now

[void nova]

No if I wanted that I’d just buy ships with real money

The reason I don’t buy ships it because I wanted to progress through the game

[red granite]

do you have an upper limit?

what is the MOST we should make per hour. doesn't matter the game loop.
Should it be 10mil and have an 890 in 1 night after downloading the game?

or should buying a ship matter and feel like an accomplishment

[void nova]

No but there is a middle ground

And this is not it

[red granite]

right but I disagree with the thought that reclaimer doesn't make enough

[void nova]

100k hour is enough..?

[red granite]

perhaps compared to other loops it's too little but I would prefer those loops being brough down to be in line with where salvage is now

100k hour is plenty yeah

10 hours for a nomad, 20 for a cutty black

[void nova]

You’d have to do 300 hours in the reclaimer to earn enough for the reclaimer

That’s insane

[red granite]

50 for a corsair, that seems pretty good

that's an endgame ship, where would you put it?

[void nova]

Its an endgame ship yes

But I am playing in that ship

So it should be end game auec

[red granite]

but the gameloop can be done by an adolescent monkey on a pc from 2015

[void nova]

It doesn’t matter

Doing bounties is also not hard

[red granite]

if you aren't taking risk, don't need skill, you should get paid minimum wage

but you can die in a bounty, you can fail a bounty

[void nova]

What’s the incentive to save up for the shop

And if you die so what

[red granite]

that's time wasted

that cuts into aUEC/hr

[void nova]

You dont lose anything but 5 mins to claim your 2.5m hoagies

Gladius

[red granite]

insurance is free for now, it won't always be, but forget that you stil have to travel back and hope the mission didn't fail because you are no longer in the area....

it's not an easy task

[void nova]

So what just go get another one

[red granite]

to balance the gameloops, I don't envy the team that has to try and handle this problem

I sat on my ass and pressed a button I deserve more pay than the guy fighting and risking his life is what I'm hearing

come on

you know that's dumb

[void nova]

An endgame ship that costs so much and requires a crew should earn more than a light fighter farming high risk bounties

[red granite]

hard disagree

[void nova]

As they aren’t even hard

[red granite]

I worked hard before so I no longer have to work hard but still get paid better than those that currently work hard

this is real life capitalism so I get the mentality

[void nova]

And you risk nothing except a claim time

[red granite]

we all want to be bezos

[void nova]

The reclaimer risks its entire cargo

[red granite]

the reclaimer shouldn't afford you the luxury of making more aUEC what it does do is allow you to not have to transfer cargo to another ship or head back to station.

[void nova]

??

You do though

[red granite]

it should be more efficient

[void nova]

You have to land transfer cargo to a cargo ship

Refine it

Then cargo it to sell it

[red granite]

so you'd rather fly a vulture then

[void nova]

What

[red granite]

if I understand your argument it's that the endgame ship should basically be an I win button

[void nova]

What are you on about

[red granite]

my counter is no it should be the same balance but the endgame ship makes the gameloop more efficient and easier

[void nova]

Im saying the time investment and money investment is not worthwhile with the current balance

The endgame ship makes it harder

[red granite]

reclaimer is harder than a vulture?

[void nova]

The small ships can sell their scraped rmc instantly

[red granite]

550 SCU in 3 vultures vs. 1 reclaimer. which woould you do

why wouldn't you scrape in the reclaimer with a 3 man crew?

[void nova]

The reclaimer has to land, transfer 600-700 scu of boxes to a cargo ship, haul those to a refiner, wait a day to refine, haul to a tdd to sell

[red granite]

so does the vulture

[void nova]

You don’t refine rmc

[red granite]

dude just buy aUEC on eBay and play for fun then

you can RMC and CM in both ships, why are you making a distinction as if they can only do 1

[void nova]

You do not understand d the changes it seems

I think it’s bed time 🙂

[red granite]

I think you misunderstand how to balance a game and it's rewards

[blissful flume]

Wait rmc u don't refine

[sweet willow]

anyone know why when I try to buy cargo into my c2 it shows the price as 0 and wont let me buy it?

doesnt matter which storage location I choose apart from the station itself

[red granite]

That's a weird name for a C2

[sweet willow]

yeah

but it doesnt matter what I choose. If I choose the other options its the same thing, all showing the wrong name or image

[red granite]

probably offset table or someother bug not getting the correct inventory

[sweet willow]

hmm

[red granite]

I get that at my primary residence

have to sell elsewhere or have my alt do it

[sweet willow]

im at seraphim

[red granite]

how many ships do you have stored there?

[sweet willow]

max 2

[red granite]

I'm assuming manual loading isn't a solution for you?

[sweet willow]

im very lazy

and im solo moving 692 so id rather not

[cedar ledge]

Hello I'm trying to sell Cobalt at the moment - 176scu
Tried selling it on the normal place I sell it and it won't sell. The item just turns red and I can't select how much I want to sell. The terminal says there is low inventory and none are in stock...
Happens at Shubin SCD-1 on Daymar and Area18 TDD...

Bug or are the Frontier Fighters disrupting the selling....

[rustic juniper]

cant sell rn either

[cedar ledge]

At least it's not just me then

[wise stump]

Anyone also had a new standing bar started besided the one you might already have? with Headhunters. I was veteran contracter before the patch now, I can still see that level. But When I did 1 salvage mission for them the 1000 one it started a new bar for it. So lost the progress to my salvage missions.

[cedar ledge]

Just logged in now at Area18 aand could sell...

[vocal jackal]

So is trading working again now? I tried selling at terminals last night and It wasn't working

[green hinge]

Does anyone think the 50K Pyro salvage contracts were removed on purpose?

Makes no fucking sense that they are gone

[knotty bolt]

Yeah both my CFP and HH got a secondary reputation bar

[hearty trail]

where can i dock the reclaimer in an EX hanger apart from orison?

[knotty bolt]

Are they gone? Didnt your reputation with CFP or JH just get reset? Mine did

[quaint anchor]

does the hull c get a rework in 4.4 ?

[dapper aspen]

my game shows double rep in pyro so it could be a bug

[knotty bolt]

Me too, actually I got three for HH

[green hinge]

My HH rep has not been reset, but the 50K contacts are gone for me.

[knotty bolt]

well I am looking forward to being disapointed while grinding back up again :(

[past fractal]

They adjusted the missions. For example, in Stanton, 50k missions are now 10k and can include HammerHeads

[mild pumice]

That would make sense with the salvage sell prices reduced so should the buy in

I must check them out again, ty for the heads up

[cedar ledge]

Selling is working hopefully now - It wasn't earlier today and all I did was logout and login again later

[mild cloud]

Raft question... Does anyone use the tractor for hauling? I've found that since I have to get out of the ship to use the elevator it's faster just to use a max lift. Is it just for multi crew?

[mild pumice]

I only used the ship tractor for resource drive, otherwise I use the small hand tractor beam 1-8 and maxlift 16-32

[pearl juniper]

it was way faster than a hand held prior to the change to the tractor beam power that just happened in this patch.

but sticking the atls on the grid is still the best option 😉

[gaunt terrace]

anybody found a way to get reclaimer inventory into a refinery yet?

because if i need to use my puny taurus for hauling 168 scu at a time for 1600 scu then im gonna go mad.

[mild pumice]

You could just salvage in Pyro, 3 main stations have XL hangar and refinery

You need to dock then call the ship to a hanger btw

[near swallow]

I used Maxlift for loading, and Raft's tractor beam for unloading yesterday. Both work alright, but when on foot, you can move your point of view around, and get up close to make sure a box is exactly where you meant for it to be, in order to maximize space usage.

[gaunt terrace]

ooh thanks that should do it.

do they also have refineries there?

[near swallow]

Salvaging with a Reclaimer in Pyro would be dangerous. Also, I've heard of people who apparently couldn't sell their refined materials.

[mild pumice]

Yep like I said the 3 main Pyro stations, Ruin, Checkmate and Orbitury all have XL hangars (since they're residences) and a refinery

As a bonus the elevator goes straight from hangar to refinery to save time running through the station like in Stanton

[gaunt terrace]

oh i didnt catch that. but thanks a lot. also edrick says something about not being able to sell refined materials

which is im not happy to hear about

[mild pumice]

It seems there's some bugs potentially server side, I'm sure they'll hotfix it next week

[gaunt terrace]

i really hope

[hearty trail]

is there a problem with QD on the reclaimer?

opps sorrry

[mild pumice]

There's a glitch with power pips, try toggling everything off/on on the MFD

It's probably the scanner not powered

[blissful flume]

Where r u salvaging in Pyro with a reclaimer. Like missions?

[mild pumice]

It was a suggestion I actually salvage in Stanton when I use the reclaimer (coverup missions)

I just offloaded/reloaded in my XL hangar at Orison

[sly ocean]

anyone know if ill be losing out on a bunch of money by selling ROC mined material at a station admin instead of a mining station?

[red granite]

!tradetools

[jolly dagger]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[red granite]

It will be less. IMO not much less. Depends on your definition of "a bunch of money"

[vocal jackal]

trading at bueno ravine is still broken for me. doesnt allow me to sell

[pearl juniper]

have you tried the hotfix? I have not, just curious. The official notes don't mention the sell issue, but sometimes not everything makes the notes.

[hazy yacht]

I'm looking at the new hauling catagorys, bulk seems like its for the large ships like Hull-C, Supply for stuff like connie and small for starters

In pain from trying to find missions for the Taurus now

[red granite]

I find looking for the right rep level is the easiest/fastest way. I think that'd be member or experienced IIRC

[hazy yacht]

The experienced stuff is just way too high SCU now for me to grab

[red granite]

Member then? what's below experienced in the rep tree?

[hazy yacht]

It would be Member yeah

Just trying to find Direct missions as well

Damm I'm not seeing any Directs for Member

[red granite]

Are you going for aUEC or rep?

If aUEC rookie and junior should have what you're looking for

[hazy yacht]

Just aUEC, its just the reorganization of this menu is gonna take some time to get used to

Weird, somehow I was able to grab the cargo from the mission location at my Hangar

Even though I wasn't at the pick up location

[red granite]

What do you mean? You picked it up at a different spot than the pickup location?

It's always available at the freight elevator right?

[hazy yacht]

Yeah, I found it in the Freight Elevator at Lorville when it was supposed to be at a station for pickup

I thought you always had to head over to the pickup location to pick it up, not your home hangar

[red granite]

Would have had to see screenshots of your accepted tab. The missions like to change the locations, SCU amount, and commodity between clicking Accept Offer and them loading into the accepted tab.
Likely the case here, though could have been a different bug 🤷‍♂️

[hazy yacht]

Oh thats weird, never knew that

[red granite]

Here's an example. Something to keep an eye on. Usually it's the commodity and the SCU amount, but sometimes it's also the locations.

Here is was aluminum in both, but location and SCU amount changed

[hazy yacht]

Guess it could be a useful bug sometimes, or not useful

[fringe torrent]

This happens to me a lot. I usually don't notice until it's too late

[autumn roost]

Not the only place jackson, too

[elder arrow]

What's the cmats refinery ratio anyone know?

And is there a current price sheet? That one uex website hasn't updated quite yet

[knotty bolt]

Reclaimer, you get back 15% of the total SCU you refined
Vulture/Fortune you get back 30% of the total SCU you refined
Thats currently your return

[elder arrow]

that's really odd why is it 15% on a reclaimer?

[elder arrow]

I am giga brain stupid,
So I just do 15% on say 700 SCU yeah?

[knotty bolt]

It makes no sense from their description but that is currently how it works. If you turn in 700 scu CMAT salvage, and refine it. You will get 105 CMAT refined

[elder arrow]

So 15% - 450=67.5 SCU roughly.

[elder arrow]

It kinda irks me that the capital ship designed for salvage performs worse then a yellow wasp

[knotty bolt]

yeah 450 scu would be 67,5 SCU (though they round up so it would be 68)

[elder arrow]

So what's their description they gave for the reclaimer and stuff?

And do you think these numbers will change and stuff with patches throughout this week?
They literally shipped the ptu with the reclaimer issues knowingly

[fringe torrent]

"everything is subject to change during alpha"

[elder arrow]

Do we know how much cmats sell for at least?
I'm trying to think if it's better to just do high speed refining instead of higher yield

[knotty bolt]

I dont know. I hope so. But originally on the PTU it was 20% for the reclaimer and 80% for the Vulture/Fortune. That got reduced to 15/30%
And they launched that. There is a chance they will keep it.
Although from their description of CMAT salvage (the name of the raw CMAT you get from Reclaimer) and CMAT Rubble (the name of the raw CMAT you get from Vulture) it makes absolutely no sense

[elder arrow]

What the fuck?

[knotty bolt]

thats around 8k or there about

[elder arrow]

Lowest density highest yield?

[red granite]

Is this the updated text? They admitted they wrote the wrong thing in patch notes and what is in game is the correct name

idk if the values are different though

[elder arrow]

Where did they admit that?

[red granite]

video,

[knotty bolt]

the admitted they wrote the wrong names

not the wrong description

[red granite]

disregard then

[knotty bolt]

unless there is something else

[red granite]

do we have a medium salvager?

[elder arrow]

Which video are you referring to?

[knotty bolt]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/4-3-2-live-feedback-structural-salvage-updates/8347931 but yeah this is from the "live feeback"

[knotty bolt]

we do not

[red granite]

please tell me the real names in game aren't rubble and salvage.

[knotty bolt]

they also said that "the pieces one" (it was called scraps or something before) would not be available yet, since no ship could create it currently

[knotty bolt]

:D

oh they are

[red granite]

we already have a commodity called Scrap which confuses the shit out of people when they say scrap but mean salvage

now we have a commodity called salvage, fantastic!

[knotty bolt]

yes which is why it was called "pieces" instead, there was some feedback about that for similar reasons

[elder arrow]

So the description for salvage is borked,

And the values are also borked.

Reclaimer doesn't have its cargo grid on elevator and doesn't work when you store stuff on grid for refinery

Neat

[red granite]

pieces is for medium ships though?

[knotty bolt]

seems like it yeah

[red granite]

so the reclaimer makes "construction salvage"

[knotty bolt]

correct

[elder arrow]

I think that's the stuff used for well base building

[red granite]

that's not going to lead to confusion...

[elder arrow]

It's definitely going to get confusing

[red granite]

"what do I do with this salvage" (vulture pilot with RMC)

what are the raw RMC called now?

[knotty bolt]

"when you say salvage do you mean....RMC? CMAT Salvage? CMAT (refined)? Or something else?" xd

There is no raw RMC

you can still sell RMC

[red granite]

thank our lord and savior CR for that at least

[knotty bolt]

straight off the salvage ship

But

[red granite]

[knotty bolt]

BUTTTTTTTT

[elder arrow]

Rmc is 5k now right?

[knotty bolt]

it was reduced in price

yeah its about 5k now

[elder arrow]

So still somewhat useful to grab at least kinda?

[knotty bolt]

oh I grab it 100%

[elder arrow]

So I understand correctly
1 SCU Of
RMC = 5K
CMATs 8K?

[red granite]

anybody done the math to see if a Vulture owner should do Construction Rubble instead of RMC?
I'm guessing due to the amount of storage space that RMC will still be the goto since it only nets 30% after refining the CR.

[elder arrow]

You can't refine RMC tho?

[red granite]

exactly

[knotty bolt]

no

[red granite]

so all the RMC boxes are 1:1, but if you do CR it's 3:10

[elder arrow]

I will be legitimately sad if a vulture makes more money then a reclaimer

[knotty bolt]

almost 100% sure its a waste of time to go for CMAT beyond the last bit to fill the hold

[red granite]

30% space on 8k, vs 100% space of 5k

definitely still RMC in vulture then

[elder arrow]

What I planned to do was get 100% of both on the reclaimer, just throw the RMC below deck in the "salvage cargo" to make space for cmats above deck

[red granite]

A crewed reclaimer it likely makes sense to scrape for RMC then yeah?

[elder arrow]

I mean it's extra profit so I don't see why not

[knotty bolt]

Even if we just keep it to the grid
26 scu = 8 refined CMAT = 64k aUEC
26 scu RMC = 130k aUEC

[red granite]

seems like it's more profit per hour/effort to do RMC in a reclaimer than the CMAT

[pearl juniper]

yeah, sadly doing cmat in the vulture still isn't worth it, unless you just wanna play the game and not care about max profits. But the refining yield is just so bad

[red granite]

this is what the math is telling me too yeah

[knotty bolt]

I think with a crewed Reclaimer it makes sense to go for both

[red granite]

true, might as well grab the CS on your way out

[elder arrow]

Elaborate?

[red granite]

if the space is available anyway

[elder arrow]

Space is available especially off grid

Your not maxing out in the hour, but like solo reclaimer for both RMC and cmt doesn't sound too bad to me, or am I an extra stupid?

[knotty bolt]

I mean lets keep it simple, we ignore the time it takes to find enough to scrape/crunch
240 (the max internal storage of a Reclaimer) SCU of CMAT = 36 SCU refined = 288.000aUEC
240 SCU RMC = 2,2 million aUEC

But the time it takes to get 240 RMC is HOURS, where as the time it takes to get 240 SCU of CMAT is 1 minute

[elder arrow]

I'm a bit confused here,
How are we still able to make more with rmc when it's priced much lower?

[pearl juniper]

15% refinery yield

[jovial matrix]

because its a 1:1 exchange rate, whereas CMAT is a 3:10 exchange rate after refining

[knotty bolt]

5k for 240 = 2,2 million
240 CMAT is only refined to 36

[elder arrow]

Ahhh

[knotty bolt]

15:100 yield even

[jovial matrix]

oh yeah thats for the vulture, you're right

[elder arrow]

But if you matched the SCU of cmats to the RMC it would be a different value yeah?

[knotty bolt]

yes for the refined CMAT compared to the same amount of RMC, the CMAT is worth more

[elder arrow]

Its funny in a way, cig wanted to nerf RMC salvage yet it's still better because cig loves to fuck us over

[knotty bolt]

As I was saying in a fully manned Reclaimer you can have people emptying out the CMAT and you can crunch even more. So with the time involved you would need to get both, its crazy to only go for 1 over the other imo

imho

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[pearl juniper]

My gut feeling is that what they wanted to do was make cmat worth collecting in the vulture, without making it totally OP in the reclaimer like it was back in 3.1 or whenever that was. Because of the volume advantage, without the refinery step and yield difference that would always be the case. But I think the yield needed to be like 90% on the vulture and maybe 50-60% on the reclaimer to make that work.

[elder arrow]

Since the yields are already awful, couldn't we just go for the fastest refine option to get as many as quickly as possible?

[elder arrow]

Well apparently on the site page for the reclaimer it's supposed to have an onboard refinery

[pearl juniper]

speaking of salvage, anybody doing salvage contracts in Pyro? How many do you have to do to get anything other than a Titan? Or is it directly tied to rep, in which case you gotta do something else to get the rep up cause this is gonna take forever otherwise...

[knotty bolt]

you could, but even the fastest takes hours. I think it was something like.
6 CMAT takes 10 minutes to refine with Pyro (the fastest with the best yield)
so if you could stumbling with a full reclaimer it would take about 12 hours xd

"full reclaimer" = 420 SCU

[elder arrow]

Pyro reputation fucked rn because of the event

So yeah more layered fuckery

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[pearl juniper]

yeah, i noticed the new rep counter and all, just wasn't sure if salvage was directly rep tied, or number of contracts tied (like the foxwell missions, where you do 5 you get the next level regardless of rep)

[elder arrow]

It is rep tied yeah

[knotty bolt]

Its reputation, the really good ones takes days to get down to

[elder arrow]

Go with headhunters I think that's the better one but again rep is messed up

[knotty bolt]

Headhunters might be less buggy
I love me some CFP but holy fuck theirs missions are a nightmare to figure out whether they work or not
Maybe that has changed (copium)

[red granite]

3:20 ratio for the reclaimer cargo space

if we need that for math

or 1.5:10

[elder arrow]

So yeah I think myself personally,
I'll grab every bit from ships for salvage, RMC and cmats, and queue everything up and stock up then sell after a while I guess?

[knotty bolt]

yeah, I was a bit too tired to think about shortening that ratio xd. Thanks

[elder arrow]

What's that ratio for?

[red granite]

comparing RMC to CS in the reclaimer

[elder arrow]

Elaborate please

[red granite]

if we fill the reclaimer with RMC we get 1:1 on what we sell at the end of the day

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[red granite]

if we fill the reclaimer with CS we get 0.15:1 on what we sell at the end of the day

[knotty bolt]

CS = Construction Salvage I assume

[red granite]

so we'd use those ratios or maybe easier 100% for RMC and 15% for CS to determine if it makes more sense to load up on RMC or CS to sell

I hate these new names

[elder arrow]

I hate it too

I'm just calling them RMC and Cmats it's a bit easier in my head

[knotty bolt]

xD completly fair
Before they were called something like
Construction material Powder and Chunks

*internally at least

[elder arrow]

I'm just hoping the like values and information they gave gets fixed and the ratios are adjusted

[knotty bolt]

I mean I at least just want them to be consistent.
If the above is what they meant, they should stick to it. And if not, then at least be clear in your language man. Its very confusing to know what is and is not intended

[elder arrow]

Any other ratio then what we have would be better

[red granite]

I'm tired too.

[elder arrow]

Ikr?

[red granite]

How many boxes of RAW CS do we need to get 1 box at the end of the day?

15 times X = 100

[pearl juniper]

yeah, the lowest density / highest yield shit is just word salad, I have no idea what they are getting at

[red granite]

100/15=...

[elder arrow]

Like I absolutely love salvage because I watch my friends kill ships and I go in and clean it out while they drag off cargo and other stuff it's really fun

[knotty bolt]

not 100% sure, depends on their round up calculations

[red granite]

6.6666667

ok so is it faster to make 6.66667 boxes of CS or 1 box of RMC in the reclaimer?

[knotty bolt]

oh 100% the 6,6666667 CS

[jovial matrix]

Cs easily

[elder arrow]

I mean personally it takes a long time to even get like 50 SCU of RMC

[red granite]

considering the CS then needs to be moved twice to sell, once for refining and then again for selling... it might make more sense to focus on scraping in the reclaimer

Yeah I still think CS wins here. Though if you are lazy and hate moving boxes there's a strong argument for RMC

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[knotty bolt]

As I said
You get about 30 RMC from a Hammerhead to be sold instantly for about 150k
But you also get 230 CS from a hammerhead afterwards to be sold for about 276k after like 6 hours at least

[red granite]

Has the refinery auto-loading of refined CS been working?

[pearl juniper]

this is why I went to Pyro. Sell at the refinery location.

[elder arrow]

On one hand it's a slug to get RMC
On the other it's slower but you get hundreds of SCU of cmats

[pearl juniper]

it's not much, but it's something

[knotty bolt]

and the 30 RMC takes 15-20 minutes? maybe less
while the CS takes about 1 minute maybe 2

[elder arrow]

I made my home in pyro too

[red granite]

Yeah looks like reclaimer owners are headed to pyro

[knotty bolt]

now here comes the fun thing

[elder arrow]

It's a migration ahaha

[knotty bolt]

The commodity shops are broken in pyro

I cant sell at least xD

[elder arrow]

And in Stanton too

Tdd terminals are fucked in both systems

[pearl juniper]

not all of them. Maybe all the ones that buy cmat. But I haven't had any problem selling RMC

[red granite]

I think they're broken in Stanton too, from the reports I'm getting in helpdesk anyway. I can't vouch personally

[velvet rapids]

they've all been broken for me, CM and RMC

[red granite]

It might be a backend replication/hybrid server issue and commodity terminals are borked everywhere right now

[knotty bolt]

ruin station wont buy my RMC and its the only station with an XL hangar that even buy RMC as far as I know

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[knotty bolt]

it wont buy anything

[elder arrow]

I think all three major stations are XL

But we have docking collars so eh?

[red granite]

Hopefully it's hotfixable and doesn't need a major patch so the goods can be sold before they get wiped

[knotty bolt]

yes all three are XL, but only 1 buys RMC

[elder arrow]

Ahh is that ruin?

[knotty bolt]

would be preferable

[knotty bolt]

yup

[pearl juniper]

I have only sold RMC at patch city. But no XL hanger there that I know of

[elder arrow]

I set up home at orbituray so it's not too far

[pearl juniper]

oh, and starlight. The smaller stations seem to work. Bigger ones broke

[elder arrow]

I definitely need a cargo ship for pyro if I wanna sell stuff later

Any recommendations for something that can take a hit?

[knotty bolt]

ok well time to pull out the haulers and transport my goods

[pearl juniper]

good luck 🙂

[red granite]

you know what might be happening...

[elder arrow]

Huh?

[knotty bolt]

not now xD
Need to make a giant pile of goods so I can lose it all in one go and hate myself

[red granite]

the terminals aren't showing the actual values for supply/demand and it's simply that there is no demand

[jovial matrix]

game broke because bad?

[red granite]

Everyone has reported so far "Very Low Inventory"

which is not normal for RMC and CMAT

usually people have to wait for the server commodity tick to be able to sell

[knotty bolt]

true, but if none of the terminals work....ofc the inventory would be low xd

[red granite]

well it may have worked for others in the region

and they sold what they could and it's back to max inventory until the next server tick

[elder arrow]

But yeah I think for myself I'm just going to harvest RMC and Cmats solo, and fill the reclaimer up as much as I can, and while I wait for refinery stuff just do combat missions to rank up Headhunters for better salvage contracts?

[red granite]

to test this you'd need to stand at a sell terminal and keep trying to sell

[elder arrow]

ALSO!!!
1 reclaimer gives you 480 Cmat SCU

If you were to salvage another reclaimer

[pearl juniper]

I wish we could just get a dynamic economy already where every planet and station had some demand (and in some cases supply) rate for given goods, and the price varied depending on if the demand was being met.

[elder arrow]

I hope for that too

[knotty bolt]

I wish the demands ticks were slower, but the prices swung WAAAAY more, so you wouldn't go back to the same place again and again and again

[pearl juniper]

and then if the demand went unmet for x amount of time, a hauling contract was generated to fill it. And if that didn't happen, the price on the contract went up. Etc.

[knotty bolt]

now that could be very cool and very "realistic"

[elder arrow]

Also any ideas when a patch will go live?

[knotty bolt]

not this weekend thats for sure

[elder arrow]

There's so many broken features to core gameplay rn it's insane

[knotty bolt]

probably early next week, I was suprised that we even went into the weekend without a hotfix

[red granite]

You don't want this if you think reclaimers aren't making enough money right now. (Assume selling is working)

[elder arrow]

Also side note, any personal favorite refining methods?
I'm using ferro for my Cmat but I heard people say use dynix? Or whatever it was called

[knotty bolt]

or at least not one that fixed some of these

[red granite]

You wouldn't be able to make money if you're battling other reclaimer pilots

There are way more reclaimer operators than the 'verse needs right now

[elder arrow]

Is there?

I've barely seen any

[knotty bolt]

Pyro for speed (but the cost is high)
Dynix for cost (but the speed is SO INCREDIBLY LOW YOU ARE DEAD BEFORE IT FINISHES)
Ferro for balance

[red granite]

As evidenced by the fact that you usually have to wait for the inventory to drop to sell

[elder arrow]

What's your favorite method currently?

[red granite]

if they artificially created more demand for RMC and CM sure, it'd be fine but who would need that? The ship manufacturers? Capitol cities? Pyro stations surely don't need a ton of the CS and RMC

this is getting into speculation and lore though

[elder arrow]

It's fun though

[red granite]

I suppose CIG could make it make sense by saying the station thrusters burn it or something

come up with whatever excuse to make it make sense

[pearl juniper]

there's one already, I'm playing on it now. You have to select it in the launcher htough.

not sure if it's fixed anything we are talking about through

[elder arrow]

Oh what did it fix?

[knotty bolt]

depends mostly on how long I am gonna play. If I can finish it before the day is over I take that option whether thats pyro or Ferro
If I am finishing a session I might as well take Dynix and sell the day after. Thats usually how I think about it.

Some prefer Dynix to earn as much money as possible and don't care about the wait time. But I am a bit impatient so I prefer to finish the same day if possible otherwise even if I lose a bit of cash

[elder arrow]

Understood

[knotty bolt]

are you telling me to log off to see if I somehow mixed a hotfix :(

[red granite]

MOLE, ROC, and Yormandi snake

[pearl juniper]

yeah, crusader and hurston should definetly be paying the most for stuff like this. And all other basic raw materials too.

[jovial matrix]

mm yes, the 3 most popular mining vehicles

[red granite]

Info here 4.3.2 LIVE - Hotfix

[elder arrow]

I'm currently thinking about the long process,
Because I want to queue up a lot of orders at different times and stuff so when one finishes I can deliver it, set out to replace that order, and then repeat and in the down time between them I can work on rep gaining or combat missions maybe?

[knotty bolt]

thx

[knotty bolt]

makes perfect sense to me

[elder arrow]

Especially since I'm doing this solo, so it's already a pain in the ass to gather everything from a ship, might as well make it work the best way I can

[red granite]

Think longer. To what end. This is still the alpha and things are all getting wiped eventually.

[elder arrow]

The fun of it and see if I can save up enough credits to buy a lot of different ships I wanna play around in/with

I do enjoy the salvage game play alot

I'm fully aware of game wipes and that's fine

[red granite]

There you go. As long as you have an idea of what you want out of alpha.

[elder arrow]

Yeah

That and if I'm able to I can give my friends credits too so they can buy ships they wanted to try out as well

[pearl juniper]

for sure. Enjoy it for what it is right now. If you don't enjoy it, go play some other game

[elder arrow]

Mhm

[red granite]

Find out which ships you like, what gameloops you enjoy and how to do them all so when 1.0 hits you don't have to waste money on a ship you don't like

[elder arrow]

Exactly

[knotty bolt]

thats the current gameplan

[elder arrow]

Like almost all my friends gravitate to the combat and fighter ships.

So I figured I could lean into the logi side of stuff and enjoy that alot and that I am

[red granite]

That's my biggest piece of advice what Alex said. Play the game to have fun, not to grind for a ship. Ships are really the only progression right now. I see a lot of people quit becaue they grinded a "boring" gameloop to get their ship and then there's
"nothing to do"

[elder arrow]

If there's a combat ship I wanna try I can ask them, but they barely have anything else like a C2 or a raft. Or stuff

[red granite]

Play the game to have fun, it's not a second job. aUEC comes naturally

[elder arrow]

Yeah

It's why I'm in no rush for the Cmat queue times

And when they're done I can just do a cargo run to get a good bulk chunk of credits

[red granite]

Also until LTP gets fixed no sense in not enjoying the game and griniding just to buy ships that may get lost in the patch

[elder arrow]

Mhm

My best decision was to buy a guardian I love that thing way to much

[red granite]

this also keeps things fresh so you aren't doing the same thing over and over

spice is the life of variety or somesuch quote

[elder arrow]

Yeah it opens up a lot of wiggle room for variation

[red granite]

let's see if this character repair fixed my infinite load. It's been at least an hour...

[elder arrow]

Because with combat missions or as people recommend for credits do that one thing #6 for 165k per run suuuuure lemme spin around a spin in combat all day long

[knotty bolt]

the main reason I bought a mining ship....then got a salvage ship...then got a fighter, then got a hauler and have been running around doing FPS.
Lately after doing some Hauling missions to a weird outpost and discovering that there was a giant base underneath with elevators and hidden codes for locked doors. I have been doing some exploration.
As long as you dont cheat yourself there is a LOT to discover/experience in this alpha

[elder arrow]

I do want to try and grind kinda quickly so I can get a C2.

So I can load my cargo quicker later and know it's technically in a strong ship that won't die to some twit in a ship I didn't see 5 clicks away

[elder arrow]

Yeah no it's super fun currently

I really like my like way of playing so far.

I'm in orbitury, and if I need guns or ship parts I go into the contested zone, and clean house and get some drug boxes I can sell later

Grab the reclaimer find ships munch on em,
Queue up and do other stuff like a combat run or smth or munch more for a staggered queue time ahaha

Also is the raft more SCU held or the C2?

[jovial matrix]

raft hgolds 192, C2 holds 696

[elder arrow]

And I assume the C2 is currently the largest cargo we have currently or is the hull C bigger?

[velvet rapids]

hull c is 4608scu

[elder arrow]

Ahh that sounds like hell to load

[jovial matrix]

thankfully you can only autoload it currently

but yes, I imagine it will be hell to load when that changes

[elder arrow]

By auto load does that mean I can put on the like cmats I refined or no?

Or is it only trade goods/commodity stuff

[red granite]

If you're crazy you can manually load it

need a secondary ship or relegated to XL hangars though.

[elder arrow]

Yeah but pretty funny though

Guess I'll get the C2 because I know that it can land whenever I need it to to sell RMC and Cmats

[jovial matrix]

no. You can autoload commodities that you buy at that station, and you can autoload contracts, but thats it

[elder arrow]

Ahhhh so it's purely "trade"

[jovial matrix]

yeah pretty much

its incredibly impractical to use it for anything else

[red granite]

Can't you auto-load the Cmats direct to ship from the refinery terminal?

that was how I did it ...2 patches ago?

[elder arrow]

Question I saw someone in global saying they made 50million using a hull c.
In like two days we're they talking out there ass or what?

[elder arrow]

It's broken in live rn

[red granite]

fucking words man

[elder arrow]

You have to manually unload it into the station so it shows up into the refinery terminal

[jovial matrix]

There are cargo missions you can get at experienced+ rank that pay you 700k per mission, and all you gotta do is auto load/unload and QT between stations

[elder arrow]

That's insane

[jovial matrix]

that are specific to the hull C*

[elder arrow]

So quite literally pay to win huh?

[jovial matrix]

yuou could do it in a C2, but thats like 6 trips lol

[coarse ember]

now i'm just imagining one rolling around like a revolver cylinder while the people on the hangar pad throw boxes at the grids

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[jovial matrix]

they definitely pay way too much for what they are

[elder arrow]

It's funny how people complained about dupree when the Hull c can do that stupidity

Well I guess if I get tired of my salvage runs I can try the space trucker line of things even though it melts my brain to a puddle

[lime vessel]

Well you have to up the rep before.. it takes more time than dupree

[elder arrow]

Yeah valid

[elder arrow]

You do what the small cargo missions or smth?

[lime vessel]

I meant the Hull C 700k contract.

[elder arrow]

Yeah you need to unlock it right?

[lime vessel]

Yes

[elder arrow]

I was asking what missions you needed to do and what rep

And I guess location as well?

[jovial matrix]

you have to get to experienced rank, with either redwind or covalex

dont think the loaction or missions matter, just the contract giver

[elder arrow]

Gotcha

[jovial matrix]

you do want to do the highest level missions you have access to though, cause they give the most rep

[lime vessel]

The 700k contract is always magnus gateway to pyro gateway

[jovial matrix]

it can change

[elder arrow]

How do I tell which ones are highest level?

[jovial matrix]

go to whichever tab in your mobiglass that shows your reputation, and check your rep with covalex or redwind, whichever one you're aiming for

it goes rookie-junior-member-experienced, and then senior and master are the last two levels, I forget the order lol

if you're at member rank, do member missions. They'll say member or junior or whatever in the contract name

[elder arrow]

Gotcha

So just anything from redwind under the hauler missions?

[jovial matrix]

yeah

[elder arrow]

Alright, thank you all kindly for the information

Guess I'll toss cargo hauling into my play style, gonna need to do it anyways given the refinery stuff

Also how's mining looking these days?

[autumn roost]

Anyone know where u can u sell partillium that works? Because i tried 4 in pyro but there is no sell button

[elder arrow]

All tdd terminals are busted right now

Gotta wait till they are fixed

[autumn roost]

Since the update?

[elder arrow]

Yeah since yesterdays update

Hopefully will get a patch soon

[autumn roost]

Alright so saving it in any warehouse should be good?

[elder arrow]

Should be yeah

Double check with some one else to just in case I'm wrong

But tdd stuff are dead rn

[autumn roost]

Yeah that will need a hotfix. I thought i give this s try since the asd sample was bugged as well😂

[elder arrow]

Yeahhhhh

This ptu update has not been kind

[autumn roost]

Explains why it was so quiet lol

[autumn roost]

Yeah and the cargo freight bugged on everast as well

Dunno what i should try out now

[elder arrow]

Could always store up stuff to sell later

[autumn roost]

Yeah gonna do that now

[wise stump]

huh my reclaimer has a problem.. it does not come with a seat to fly the ship...

[wise stump]

huh where is it

[turbid tartan]

huh?

what?

[wise stump]

Pilot seat

[turbid tartan]

yea, am aware

but like

huh?

[wise stump]

huh is for me like hmmmm the sound of wtf.

[turbid tartan]

yes, same

ive mainly come here since i cant refine my CM
however, that image of your reclaimer was worth waiting to ask the question.

[wise stump]

I had no problem with refining my cm. U using a vulture ?

I woke up this morning thinking lets do some salvage haha. I guess not 😄

I used my reclaimer yesterday and was not problem. today is a different issue 😄

[turbid tartan]

nah, im in a reclaimer

also, do i have to eject the boxes for refining or not?

[jovial matrix]

yes

eject the boxes, load them all onto the station freight elevator, and then you can refine them from the station inventory

[turbid tartan]

then im just being bullied, i have give or take 300 SCU off CM on my reclaimer but the refining terminal wont show my reclaimer as a source, it doesnt show anything...

thats what the terminal shows

[jovial matrix]

yeah, you need to take the CM off the reclaimer and load it onto your hangars freight elevator

[turbid tartan]

how do i do that?

[jovial matrix]

well where are you right now?

[turbid tartan]

CRU L1

[jovial matrix]

You'll have to fly the reclaimer somewhere that has an XL hangar (cities, grim hex, the 3 big pyro stations), and then offload all the CM into the hangar freight elevator. From there, you have to load it onto a different cargo ship, like a C2, and take it to a station with a refinery. You might have to offload everything again into the station inventory, idk if itll accept the cargo ship as a source for the refinery

You can take it to pyro, where the stations have XL hangars as well as refineries, so thats probably your best option

[turbid tartan]

then whats the point of the docking port?

but thanks, ill do that

[jovial matrix]

idk, its a really dumb design decision

[turbid tartan]

just a wee bit

also, since sc trade tools is outdated for CM and RMC where would be the best place to sell them?

[jovial matrix]

That I dont know

[wise stump]

if you want to unload in a hangar do it in pyro

you can dock to a port put the ship in storage and take it out.

[turbid tartan]

seems like i have to do that, just landed on checkmate, stored the reclaimer and went to check the refinery terminal, same issue, guess i have to offload manually...

fucks sakes

but hey, at least the chute elevator extends further down now, meaning i can toss the 16s out easily :D

[turbid tartan]

wait what?

uhhhmmmm

why does it say -196,46csu?

am i being robbed?

[mild pumice]

damn you getting scammed lol

[turbid tartan]

:c

at least its only 2 scu

sooooo

[elder arrow]

How did you get scammed this badly??

[turbid tartan]

fucking idk

[unique ridge]

hah what station is that, that's one hell of a modifier

[plain pewter]

Whenever the selling commodity bug is fixed. If I salvage with my vulture and a friend brings the rmc to his hangar, will that work or will it pop up as stolen cargo?

[coarse ember]

as long as you're both in a party it'll work, it only becomes stolen when the person who ejected it from their ship leaves the party/shard

[red granite]

would be awesome if an unlocked ship solved that problem so ship owner can log off

[rain tinsel]

well mining is busted again, at least in the halo

[red timber]

@rain tinsel im in pyro

[elder arrow]

Kinda funny to me how pyro is becoming more of the industrial hotspot rn

[mild pumice]

Pyro was sold as a PVP playground but tbh I love that it's developed into an outsiders mining/salvage area, I enjoy chilling in Pyro with my Vulture doing some salvage! I also enjoy Roc mining on Pyro Vs moons

Honestly, can't wait for Nyx next.

I hope they improve the pyro hauling missions too, they're mostly broken and the ones that aren't are totally unreasonable like 70k to go 200gm to 4 locations lol. There's so much they could do with hauling I really hope it gets a proper overhaul

[turbid tartan]

just sell in pyro

[elder arrow]

Absolutely agreed

Even if pyro has pvp going on, it's so damn big that running into another player is like really low unless you hang out at the executive hangers and contested zones

But it's largely just an industrialist's habitat ahaha

[elder arrow]

Also how's the state of mining right now? Is it good or eh more time consuming etc?

[mild pumice]

I've only done Roc mining. I know the MOLE is broken and there's apparently refinery issues too

[elder arrow]

I've been told to do prospector mining and stuff since it's quicker on planets but mole for multi crew

[turbid tartan]

ya think i overdid it?

[mild pumice]

Need moar

Look at all that empty space

[elder arrow]

Got room for more.

Get to it captain till we can't breath let alone walk there's room for more

[turbid tartan]

nah i dont, boxes started to disaappear

:(

[elder arrow]

Ahhh

[turbid tartan]

however, i have an additional 240SCu in the depot :D

[elder arrow]

Mara what's the max print size in the recliamer?

Is it 16 or higher?

[turbid tartan]

16SCU

[elder arrow]

okay so 16 is the max right?

Someone in main chat made me think otherwise like wtf

[turbid tartan]

looool

[turbid tartan]

a wee bit of CM

lol

13,64 days

[mild pumice]

Lmao that's ridiculous

[turbid tartan]

yea

i wonder how much thatll sell for

the 294SCU im getting

[elder arrow]

Hot damn, how much did you put in?

[sweet willow]

oh wait is that not 29415 scu?

[turbid tartan]

nope

i put in 1961 SCU

[sweet willow]

gotcha I was gonna say thats an obscene amount

[elder arrow]

Also wouldnt it have been better to put in like 400 SCU in patches?
That way it'll only take 24hrs per one and they'll all be done at the same time as different orders?

[turbid tartan]

i shouldve done that

however

[elder arrow]

Hahaha

[turbid tartan]

brain empty

xD

[elder arrow]

So questions!
How'd you get almost 2k SCU was that all stored in one reclaimer run?
Where were you at for this.

Annnnd are you refining in pyro?

[turbid tartan]

hehe, trade secret :3

[elder arrow]

Clem get the dakka

[turbid tartan]

ill tell you how i managed to store it all in a reclaimer

for free

but im not telling you how i got that

but have ya heard of tetris?

[elder arrow]

well yeah

But yeah you're refining in pyro right?

[turbid tartan]

yea

easiest place to offload

cuz reclaimer

and i cant be fucked moving 2kSCU with cargo ships

and i dont own a hull c

[elder arrow]

Ikr?

[turbid tartan]

but the payout, if i were to sell on orison, would be 2,4 mil

[turbid tartan]

yea...

[elder arrow]

That's not terrible tbh

[turbid tartan]

which tbh, isnt too bad for around 2 hours of getting CMS

and around an hour of offloading

[elder arrow]

The total your getting for the refined Cmat is what 294?

[turbid tartan]

yea

[elder arrow]

That's not awful yeah

I just hope the yield rates get adjusted since I feel like cig fucked up on it

[turbid tartan]

if i wouldve sold that amount last patch i wouldve gotten around 10 mil

for 5k/SCU

[turbid tartan]

a wee bit

cuz getting 15% return is kinda shit

but thats the reclaimer, i believe that the Fortune and vulture get different return rates

[wind kernel]

33% from what i have heard

[turbid tartan]

fair, but bulk soooo

[elder arrow]

I'm going by this

That maki shared last night

Large ships have a higher yield rate,

[turbid tartan]

if only i could get CMR in the reclaimer

[elder arrow]

Cmr?

[turbid tartan]

Construction Material Rubble

[elder arrow]

Ahhh

[turbid tartan]

im too lazy to type rubble

so i type CMR

[elder arrow]

Yeah

But you see that cig message right?

[turbid tartan]

yea

i did

[elder arrow]

CMR - high density low yield
CMAT low density high yield

Ahhhhh

[turbid tartan]

still bs that the highest yield has 15% return of the initial amount

yk

[elder arrow]

It's absolutely bullshit

Did someone make a like spectrum post for it? I'm pretty sure there's a ticket. For it

[turbid tartan]

where?

[elder arrow]

Especially when cig shipped this ptu knowingly that the reclaimer had issues

[turbid tartan]

what?

i need to contribute

[turbid tartan]

the reclaimer doesnt have issues

its as stable as most live patches, especially 3.18 xD

[elder arrow]

it's missing the cargo grid for the elevator though

[wind kernel]

is making rmc in a fortune even worth the time anymore?

or is cm the new salvage meta

[turbid tartan]

oh yea, thats supposed to be a thing

lol

[elder arrow]

YEAH!

[turbid tartan]

yea, cuz u dont have to refine

[elder arrow]

RMC is still technically meta

[turbid tartan]

how?

[elder arrow]

For smaller ships yeah definitely

[turbid tartan]

15% yield on the reclaimer?

explain how thats the meta

[elder arrow]

You can just sell the RMC for 5k in small ships like the vulture and fortune

[wind kernel]

yeah but its 5k only

[turbid tartan]

fair

ooohhh

am dense

youre talking abt rmc not cm

xD

[elder arrow]

Yeah

[turbid tartan]

me

hollow

[elder arrow]

For a small ship RMC is quicker to get and you can just sell it 1 to 1

[turbid tartan]

true

[elder arrow]

You could get the cmats in a smaller ship for sure, but you'll have to refine it.

But the higher yield could be helpful / beneficial for them

[turbid tartan]

yea

we need a higher yield

[elder arrow]

So yeah just pick your poison really

[turbid tartan]

cuz 15% for the highest is shit

if it would be 30-40 id be ok with it

but 15%?

really cig?

who needs a pitchfork or a torch? imma go grab a couple, imma start a riot

[elder arrow]

Literally like small ships 20-40%
Large TO CAPITAL should at least be 50-70%

[turbid tartan]

agreed

[elder arrow]

Because you're munching an entire star craft!!!

How in the hell do I eat a whole ass C2 star lifter and only get 15% of that???

[turbid tartan]

lets do the match rq, a starfarer gives you around 350SCU of CM, 15% of that is 52,5SCU, so 52 SCU @ around 8.1k per is 421,2k

thats BS

and if you were to buy it ingame it would be 13,2 mil

[elder arrow]

[turbid tartan]

sooo around 3% of its buy value

jesus