industrial-professions

[silent cargo]

great now i cant get in the pilot seat of the taurus

thank you game.

[dusty current]

That's what I believed, but some others claim it's fine. I enjoy mining, but when I'm grinding for progression, I need to do what makes money haha. I don't mind hauling, although I wish they'd fix some of the market prices because it's all messed up.

[compact plank]

Fr hauling rn is easy, reliable, and quick in money making, if u have the ships for it. Mining is Skill + Gambling.

[dusty current]

not to mention the time and value contrast is too wide for me personally. Like I enjoy aspects of it but if it takes 30 minutes to actually make progress then no thanks. Flying around aimlessly hoping you get something isn't much fun tio me

[compact plank]

Mining would be good if they'd make the Fight for Pyro mining missions actual contracts. (X wants Z SCU's of material for XXX,XXX aUEC)

[dusty current]

I've been hauling for years. I don't mind space trucking along lmfao

[dusty current]

Yeah this would be neat

[compact plank]

Mining needs contracts, it's missing what Hauling was missing before the profession got contracts

Doesn't sound like much of a challenge to implement. We shall see in the future however with CIGs infinite pool of development wisdom.

[dusty current]

I like the hauling contracts, but I do wish normal hauling was good again. Buy the product, travel acrossthe system, make a few mil

[compact plank]

Yeah, dealing with POI inventory and size of boxes they can accept. Logistically a nightmare

[wraith tree]

It will be interesting when the good rocks are out in star systems that don't have refineries or stations, gotta load up your own refinery ship, refueler and everything, whole fleet to get out to rare spots

[wraith tree]

speaking of which, if refining takes tens of hours or more, how will the MISC Expanse handle refining? feels like the ship was introduced before refining was figured out

[spice shell]

It was, which is why it hasn't been made or released. Refining is a concept that was also part of a 100-star system vision, where exploration would take you to locations where there are no mechanics like this.

In that vision, the engine of industry supports refiners, which can work on refining the ore as they make the long journey back to a system for sale. Or stay, and afford haulers time to make that journey instead.

They must establish exploration, so that these industrial ships and concepts can also come online and complete some of these loops.

[wraith tree]

makes sense, I own one so i've been curious

I wouldn't be surprised if we see it scaled up dramatically because right now its shown about Mole size

feels like it should be covered in PDCs and ditch the forward guns since it's not going to be moving around move to ward off attacks

would be cool if the way it gets ore from ships is them kind of docking on top

[spare cloud]

I wonder if it's going to be compatible with Golem bags, or if CIG is cooking a Drake refinery ship just for it.
Hopefully they thought about it when making new ore pods and diversified ore bags.

[wraith tree]

I would assume that a refinery ship that is designed to take containers from other ships would be pretty versatile. RSI has its own mining/refinery ship that doesn't seem to take any kind of ore storage, all internal, so maybe that one is all on it's own

I would assume that the Expanse is a 100% fleet support vehicle type of deal

drake ore pods have a similar circular pipe attachment pointso I don't see why it couldn't hook up to it

[magic nova]

to be it seems most logical to just have a freight elevator on a ship that accepts ore bags

[wraith tree]

that could work, it doesn't have to ahve pretty animations, just be reliable and hopefully let pilots do it all without having to space walk

[magic nova]

i think a better idea would be:

• Ditch shipboard refineries.
• Replace it with an Argo SRV haulable space depot that has a landing pad, FE, and basic amenities (think truck stop). You haul the depot out to some remote place and all the miners operate out of there, then the haulers come and move refined cargo out to sell

[wraith tree]

something like a Kraken but less about offense?

[magic nova]

im basically thinking a box the size of a C2, and the landing pad folds out one side

[jovial matrix]

you'd have to make that pretty big, considering it'd have to be a mini space station

[magic nova]

we've already got the box-onto-tracks mechanic from the reclaimer/vulture/fortune, so you feed in raw to a FE and pull the refined off on the other side

[wraith tree]

we're getting into space station building territory here, which gets us into guilds

We've got the Pioneer that can build ground bases, but nothing for space yet

[magic nova]

my idea is also heavily predicated on whether or not you can put an FE on a moving entity

[wraith tree]

FE?

[magic nova]

freight elevator

[wraith tree]

ah. I don't see why not, it doesn't have to be huge, just the size that the small ground bases have now, like handle 8 8scu crates at a time

hell, aircraft carriers have elevators, so I don't see why a krakenish ship couldn't

[magic nova]

I'm sure it's not as trivial as that 😉

[wraith tree]

what complexity do you foresee?

[magic nova]

but yeah, give me a big engineless space brick with a life support system to tow around with an SRV

the complexity is freight elevators are glitchy as heck, as we experienced in the resource drive

in CIGs defense, they improved on their reliability massively over the course of the event

[wraith tree]

well It hink it depends on what is expected of said elevator. would it be storing stuff and handling inventory or would it do this;

Put bags on elevator -> elevator lowers and closes door -> message appears "Unloading raw ore into processing Hold" -> when completed the same bags reappear and are empty

so they don't actually have to transition anything off the cargo grid or anything, just make the unloading "invisible" to the player

[spice shell]

Well, they can't ditch shipboard refineries, because they're locked into creating ships with them as a result of pledges. We're going to get them and we need to accept them when considering potential functionality.

[magic nova]

yeah, but I think the Apollo is a good example of how this approach can backfire. The Apollo is a nice looking ship, but the design really falls flat in practice.

I'm not going to argue too fine a point on this, but if the Apollo had an asymmetrical interior, where it was a center module, a left module and a right hallway, that would have made for a better ship because then the ability to have a proper docking port exists instead of a bizarre recessed docking port/ramp combo. Among other things like no room for medical personnel.

In this case they gave us what was concepted, a central hallway with two medical bays, and if they had deviated from the interior concept it would have been a better ship

[royal spear]

The Apollo was just a terrible ChatGPT hallucination. Can't wait for the rework... biggest disappointment of any ship released in SC so far.

I'm trying out mining again for the first time in a long time.. prob since circa 3.1x days. I'm finding my prospector seems to be unable to break most rocks these days and I'm just playing around with scrooping up pebbles... was it a fever dream or did prospector use to be able to handle much larger rocks?

I'm running pretty fracture focused loadout too with helix and regier 3..

I seem to max out at around 30 scu rocks, if that. Meanwhile I'm flying past 120+ size rocks.. is the jump to Mole's s2 lasers that big?

[wraith tree]

Prospector can still break them, but they added complexity by needing mining gadgets and modules if you want to tackle bigger ones

So big rocks for slow tedious pace with high reward and little rocks for faster mining

[royal spear]

I see. I'm not too familiar with the gadgets. They seem a bit of a nuisance to work with, which is fine I guess, but also cut into profit margins quite heavily.. They are single use right?

[compact plank]

Prospector is best when you carry 2 Surge & stampede modules with you. Up to 30k rocks easily if resistance isn't too too high.

[random patrol]

Gadgets can be picked back up as long as they arent damaged when you break the rock.

You can also carry extra extra active modules in the prospector even though it doesnt have its own storage compartment. Load a large backpack and carry it up the ladder and leave it in the living area....you can access the extra storage whenever you need it.

[royal spear]

I see

Thanks that's a lot of good info

I guess the best way to get quant is to find a big rock with it so you can get enough to justify the trip.. from small rocks all I managed to scrape together we like 3scu worth

[random patrol]

Fwiw dont focus on just quant....youll go off the deep end trying to find a good amount that is satisfactory.

[random patrol]

Where are you making the trip to and from?

[whole fable]

Dupree seems to be a sess pool, which other distribution centers can i go to, to do the mission?

[jaunty hearth]

is there a trick to roc mining im missing?

im flying along the ground, tapping the ping every second or so, but im going 15+ minutes without finding a cluster

im on arial

[wraith tree]

Sometimes they fail to spawn due to server load

[compact plank]

yup, the mining fatigue is real. Went to pyro to get around that if stanton is just bare

[spice shell]

I completely agree with the sentiment about the Apollo being a poor design in practice. And that's coming from a concept fan from way back when!

The truth is that the Apollo is just a paper ship. Thankfully, it won't dictate future gameplay. Unfortunately, the idea of refining might itself be a problem, but we need to see what CIG is actually cooking with exploration. Though I'm 10 years past asking that question anymore.

Either way, fans of these designs should hope that COG will revisit them once they stop making an interactive movie and make a game we can play for real.

[wraith tree]

I’m missing something, why the hatred for the apollo?

[spice shell]

Hatred is a strong word. It's just a rough design overall, and plagued by 2 sides of the loop coin who want something different from it. And unfortunately, there's no machine to slot it in.

So, everyone is just trying to see what tricks they can do with it.

[wraith tree]

It is odd that it has a huge ramp but then a circular air lock

Very specialized for medical stuff

[spice shell]

Well, it's limited. There's not a lot to speak of for medical stuff yet, because it doesn't really exist just yet.

I'm willing to see what they do, but as-is, the ship landed like a dud.

[wraith tree]

That seems fair, any thoughts on what the next ship reveal should be?

[spice shell]

Known: Paladin for CitCon; Perseus for IAE this November.

There's an unknown ship they might release in that period, but more likely they'll keep to the schedule of once a month. Leaks seem to suggest another salvage ship, but it's unclear if it's a RSI starter or Argo Large to make a Mole sized Salvager.

We'll probably get yet another fighter of some kind, because those sell and make bank.

[wraith tree]

We need crafting eventually

[hollow wraith]

No one wants a mole sized salvager when the reclaimer already functions in that area by being easier to operate than a mole

[wraith tree]

Is it?

I haven’t been in one yet

[hollow wraith]

the seats for operating the scrapers and the evaporator or whatever its called are all in the same like 10 square meter space

The mole's seats are all at opposite ends of the ship and down ladders from the cockpit

Honestly the mole needs its main center turret turned from manned to remote like the reclaimer's scrapers and given to the co-pilot seat

That and the elevator to go up to the second floor imo

[wraith tree]

Yeah. They made a lot of turrets manned for no real great reason

Freelancer turret is manned, but then there are three unused seats in the cockpit

Ok they need to put percentages on bags in storage

[royal spear]

I was going around Lyria

[royal spear]

I think the reclaimer needs a heavy redesign to have far better cargo functionality and loading/offloading without glitching through the buttflap. It also should have far larger cargo capacity and ability to deal with up to 24 scu cargo. If we are talking a capital salvage ship it should not feel like a mole. Also they need to do something about it's tankiness.. it feels like a paper plane.. but I'm hoping that gets addressed with engineering and armour.

Once that is done there is definitely room for a mole sized salvage ship with pilot + 1 salvager and 1 refinery that can do up to 12 scu boxes and a raftish amount of cargo space. Perhaps an Argo entry into the space built on the Raft platform that can print straight to an external grid but requires an operator to order the printing.

I also wonder whether we will eventually see ships that specialise in carrying large amounts of specific cargo types. That opens the game up to a lot more interesting design as then you can give things like the reclaimer vast amounts of salvage material storage without encroaching on the generalist hauler turf.

[royal spear]

This is what I would like to see from the Reclaimer with a minimal changes approach and in preparation for drone addition. Realistically they could easily rework the whole interior as it was designed more like an interesting fps map than a functional ship.

[royal spear]

actually the conveyor on the ramp doesn't even need to be conveyor, could just be sliders/rollers to remove friction

[magic nova]

the Starfarer being a fuel tanker naturally lends itself to carrying enormous quantities of fuel between stations as an example

[void nova]

any recommendations for getting the most out of the reclaimer? been mostly doing unverified contracts in yela asteroid belt with a 3 man crew but seems like mole mining is quite a bit more profitable

[remote willow]

Salvaging is not a very good spot right now. Personally I don't think the reclaimer's worth the time involved. Especially solo.

That said if you are dead set to make money with it, you definitely want to grind up missions that will spawn a lot of big ships.

I know headhunters is a good choice in pyro. But I don't know about the rest.

Unverified contracts are okay, but they all take place around Yela which many people are prone to Roam and are too RNG for my like

Just don't waste your time with player own ships or anything not NPC. I haven't confirmed gamer rule ships aka abandoned ones. But I know for a fact that you're wasting time crunching or scrapping player ships

Oh and if you're not familiar with pooping the reclaimer's cargo bay out.. Make sure you're stuck in the boxes horizontally in the chute not vertically. It makes a huge difference

[void nova]

maybe ill just stick to the mole for now then

thanks for the reply

[royal spear]

Pre RMC price nerf it was a tidy profit. It wasn't comparable to hauling or trading but I could make a comfortable 900k-1mil an hour. With the nerf, I haven't checked the numbers but I imagine it is still worth doing

[void nova]

considering the investment for the reclaimer hoped it had a bit more earning potential than it seems to

[remote willow]

It just needs a lot of love

It got a little bit but for some reason they're taking a step back in the last patch

[royal spear]

Yela being so popular is also a great place to pick up extra wrecks/abandonned ships alongside the unverified ones. I often find c2s, polarises, ect just abandonned.

And it flies and does the job perfectly fine solo with drastic improvements to profits with multicrew.

[remote willow]

I still need to test that, If c i g nerfed abandoned ships. I don't see why they wouldn't because you can just spam that with insurance

I know they did for sure on player ships who are still online

[royal spear]

I was doing tons of reclaiming around yela in 4.3

[void nova]

does seem like thered always be some exploitable loophole doing that with how insurance works atm

[remote willow]

I mean you can do it It's just a question of whether it's worth your time

[royal spear]

by the sounds of it dupree is a prime location for salvaging atm ;P

[remote willow]

I don't know what that place is or why people are all flocking to it. But it's always in global chat

[void nova]

theres some stackable hauling contracts atm

9 to one location

[remote willow]

Like I get whatever happening there is bad, but you're doing nothing but encouraging people to stay camping there by complaining about it in GC (end rant)

[void nova]

117k each

[royal spear]

Currently can stack an insane amount of hauling contracts from there for 117k each and can easily make 3-4mil an hour. That being said the "easily" part is disputable now due to popularity and amount of people coming to pirate/disrupt

[remote willow]

So people are mad they can't game the system because pirates are gaming them

Hilarious

[void nova]

yeah its blatantly exploiting a bug

[royal spear]

No there is no exploit there and there is no griefing. Lets stop using unintelligent, toxic language.

[remote willow]

For pirates to naturally target that area, you got to consider how much volume is being moved through there lol

It has to be pretty substantial

[void nova]

huh? the contracts are respawning when they are certainly not meant to

there fore its a bug

[royal spear]

CIG has not said that nor declared it an exploit.

lets not spread nonsense.

[void nova]

common sense would tell you that it is tbh

[remote willow]

I mean if you're saying exploiting as as an exploiting a favorable situation. It can still be considered that. Just not in the exploitation of a bug because I don't think it is one unless otherwise stated

The traders are exploiting the system likely favoring trading to this particular spot.

And the pirates are exploiting the high volume of haulers for easy prey

It's not an incorrect statement

[royal spear]

CIG regularly incentivises players to do an activity that is disproportionately profitable to encourage behvariours they want to see/test. Until they declare it an exploit please stop spreading toxicity and misinformation with that language.

[void nova]

im not being toxic

im saying that the only contracts in the game that respawn after picking them up are a bug

[royal spear]

That language is fueling a lot of needless toxicity. Just informing you, not targetting you or saying you are causing the toxicity.

[remote willow]

If whether or not it's a bug is in dispute just look at the issue council. CIG will state it's not a bug if somebody tries to report it as one

(That's how players found out that the Idris medical bed Nerf wasn't a bug before it was announced officially)

[royal spear]

to be honest pirates flocking to it and disrupting is actually making the contract value more reasonable and kinda correcting the imbalance which is exactly what should happen and it is actually creating a lot of player driven content as people organise to try and secure the location against said pirates and salvagers swoop in to clear pads of abandonned or destroyed ships.

[remote willow]

I mean I haven't seen any evidence to whether it is or isn't. So It could go either way for me.

If you're going to Call questioning it toxic, I would ask for evidence at that point

[royal spear]

Quite frankly, I've not seen this much activity and gameplay outside of CIG ran events.

[void nova]

i dont tihnk its wrong having something thats dispropotionatly lucrative if theres some danger

but no point pretending this version of it isnt a bug

[royal spear]

Nono question away. I merely object to calling it exploiting without any word from CIG and conversely calling the people disrupting and pirating it griefers.

[remote willow]

I mean if you're going to keep insisting it is a bug I'd also like to see evidence of that. Is it in the issue council?

[void nova]

there is an issue council report but dont think theyve said anything

[remote willow]

Careful, linking that here is frowned upon

[void nova]

oh?

[remote willow]

Breaks rule 5 or so they say

I've learned not to argue with them about it

Geez it is a lot of people

More so than I was thinking

(didn't think I would be able to log in from here)

[royal spear]

It's basically generating more Redwind missions that it used to. You used to be able to get 7 missions between 2 zones but now it's spawning 18. Either someone did an oopsy on the backend and uped the cap or they did it intentionally for some reason. Either way it's created a ton of content so I'm just watching with glee 😛 Too much hassle to get involved though.

[remote willow]

It's impossible to ignore unless you hit f12 as soon as you log in lol

[royal spear]

Oh I'm loving the drama, outside of the people who get a bit too much and start name-calling and making the whole server miserable. Hence I comments earlier. I think there are too many people not used to this being an mmo either so when something disrupts their solo adventure they get very upset and don't know how to cope or do anything about it so they just lash out in chat. Quite a few of them have learned by being calmed down by people in chat and listening to the explanations of what they can do about it. I've seen several groups form and security being hired to cover the haulers.

A lot of it is exactly what I want to see in SC, the rest is sadly a result of a poor comms system that desperately needs moderation.

[random patrol]

I always F12 when I login because I dont want to read the bs

Its akin to "space daycare"

[royal spear]

evil grin

[spice shell]

That's amazing

[royal spear]

I'm in pyro. I'm just an agent of chaos.

[long oar]

Hi I am getting back into the game I was wondering is the carrack usable for hauling like "easy pickings" etc missions where you have to drag cargo in and out? iirc all of the cargo was in the belly which didnt open so how does that work with cargo elevators and such

[wraith tree]

What is the preferred ship to take refined ore for sale? I’m assuming raft

[spare cloud]

Depends how big of an order you have but RAFT is a good one.

[royal spear]

Carrack works for hauling but is impractical solo and not the best value/scu. If that's what you got and you want to give it a try, by all means. If you want to get more into hauling I suggest you invest in a hauling ship. You can start out by renting a Raft for 70k per day from Lorville which will more than pay for itself less than a run. This can help you quickly get some money together to buy the ship you would like.

The biggest drawback of the carrack is low cargo space relative to it's size and speed (or lack thereof), limitations on what size containers you can fit and the annoyance of loading and unloading due to its impractical design. It will get better at the latter in future with planned changes but there is no eta on those and even then, the Carrack is an expedition ship so not one that you load and offload frequently, at least not by design.

[silent cargo]

should i do redwing or covalex contracts? i can do foot combat really well but not ship, cuz i have rented constellation taurus

is there 2 types for redwing? foot combat and ship combat or is it always ship

[olive gull]

you dont NEED a Taurus to do combat, that's a lie
lets say you have a Titan or a Cutlass, they both are perfectly capable of doing Gaunlet missions up to Stage 5 (paying 100k each)

as for on foot combat... there is not much of it on Stanton, besides the ASD missions or OLPs..
go to Pyro and run some Assasination misions for the headhunters

[wraith tree]

watching this as a refresher of long term goals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_seNDLL2F4

[spice shell]

He's not with cig anymore, is he?

[wraith tree]

Seems he’s still there

[wraith tree]

Would love to work on this game

[wraith tree]

77 hour refinery job started, hope it sells for a bunch

[somber barn]

Any mining expert around ?

Pure caranite random or needs to be mined with the geo ?

[jade cape]

Found by doing Hathor mining event

And yes needs a geo

[somber barn]

So if we mine it with 3x multitool we will only ever get regular caranite ?

Because we were able to fracture them with 3 multitools, but we have not seen a single Pure caranite

[limpid sluice]

You dont need a Geo, though the Geo is easier for big rocks.

Pure caranite only spawns from nodes that are specifically marked "Caranite (Pure)"

Regular nodes only give plain old regular caranite

[gleaming jetty]

best place to FPS mine?

[onyx trench]

You have to do the Align & Mine sandbox event. When the laser opens the hold, there will be nodes underground. There is a small chance of a Caranite Pure node spawning then that usually yields 2 pieces of pure carinite.

[wraith tree]

just a thought, could the Expanse be scalled up to be about the size of the ironclad but meant for industrial mining and not cargo/drop shipping?

a refinery platform that two prospectors or a mole could attach, dock inside and go out in?

[quasi cradle]

Is it possible to do the apex valakkar mission as a duo, or do you need more people

[royal spear]

Any idea why gadgets won't fit in 1/8th scu box?

[royal spear]

What's the best way to transport raw ore to a different station for refining? I have to keep them in the bags right?

[olive gull]

having the ores already in their bags is easier than having to move them to normal boxes for transport
just pull out the bags from your inventory, put them in a ship that can fit them in
and take them to your refinery of choice

[wraith tree]

after using the raft I kinda want a bigger version of it for 32scu containers

[random patrol]

They should? I use the little greycat pods or an extra bag to store items in the prospector

[olive gull]

The Hul C, if you can live with the most glitched ship of them all... some do.

[jade cape]

They do need a Argo raft c1 c2 version that would be awesome

[wraith tree]

Yeah but the Hull C cannot land. I'm not expecting Hull C capacity, just something a tad bigger. Or offer a component option that lets you triple stack 4scu crates

like a 1.5mil auc upgrade for cargo magnitizers

the C2 is great for transporting vehicles and stuff, a bit of a cargo buff option on the raft would just make it a nice upgrade purchase in game

[royal spear]

Maybe I try those.. didn't expect to be able to store random stuff in the greycat pods..

[royal spear]

I've actually had 0 glitches in circa 50 runs in 4.3.1 so far..

[pearl juniper]

will the raft not already take 6x 32's?

[royal spear]

It's still a disgustingly ugly and stupidly designed ship though so I will pay big bucks for any competition from any other manufacturer at this point

[pearl juniper]

or are you just wishing for an even bigger raft? Hull B is coming they say...

[royal spear]

I want dedicated large scale haulers that aren't Hull.

[wraith tree]

wait, can it? I've never tried that

[royal spear]

yep

https://sc-cargo.space/#raft-official

[wraith tree]

Im just annoyed by the lack of triple stacking 4scu like I can in my freelancer or msr

[royal spear]

I honestly think they could've made raft stack 4 high

3 at the very least.

[wraith tree]

yeah

[royal spear]

384scu puts it in a neat little niche too

[wraith tree]

i'm debating renting a raft or using my max to transport refined ore to orison

[royal spear]

idk if it's worth renting for transporting ore but for hauling contracts you make your rental fee back in like 1/5th of a run

[wraith tree]

The Cat is a badly designed ship now

no great landing pads for it, weird loading

[royal spear]

The Cat is from the fps map era of ship designs

[wraith tree]

for sure

[royal spear]

it needs a redesign but it's a beautiful ship

[random patrol]

I will take my flying dorito.....I mean C2 anyday

[wraith tree]

I remember seeing people running cargo missions with it, and by cargo I mean picking up a box from a vending machine and running it to another vending machine. role playing a cargo runner

[spice shell]

The Cat just needs to be granted auto-loading. They can create new cargo grid modules to allow RAFT-like hauling, which could greatly expand its grids.

[spice shell]

Dorito is usually known as the Zeus?

[royal spear]

autoloading won't be a thing afaik so kinda pointless bandaid

[random patrol]

C2 looks like a beefy dorito

to me at least

[wraith tree]

there are probably ways to fix it, enabling the modularity of swapping modules could be nice

[spice shell]

Beefy dorito
Beeforito
Burito?

[royal spear]

tbh the way the cat is currently designed is perfect as a snub mothership

or better still a dragonfly with passenger railguns mothership

[random patrol]

CAT is a burrito

cargo burrito

gives you heartburn

[spice shell]

Either way, the Cat does suck, but this is fixable by create new cargo grid options via modules. They don't need to redesign the ship.

[royal spear]

They should redesign or repurpose this module tho

what's the point of having a redundant module

[wraith tree]

what would make it a compelling ship over something like a c2?

just lower cost?

almost comparable cargo, but scu grid only?

could have modules for water hauling

[olive gull]

Uuuuhh, like aerial firefighters, who collect water from lakes to put out forest fires, a new Game loop !

[wraith tree]

maybe, I was just thinking that water is something that stations and other places will need regardless of how good their reclamation systems are

could have it dock at docking collars and then all the water is pumped out, rather than landing in a hangar

its just so odd now

[small galleon]

What should I equip a Mole with in terms of modules? I've only done salvaging. Any help would be appreciated!

[wraith tree]

If youve got a team to run it then modules that do inert filtering would help a lot

[random patrol]

https://regolith.rocks/loadouts/calculator

[small galleon]

I got a duo, most nights I can get a 3 man crew including myself

[small galleon]

Thanks! How should I use this?

[random patrol]

how to use the website? It shows you what your build would be depending on what mining head, modules etc you use

[wise stump]

Wooo incoming salvage overhaul on the next patch.. I am rooting for a good outcome. Sounds great

[slate spruce]

Get one Helix with two Riegers and one Focus on the middle turret, and on the sides one Hofstede with Rieger and Focus, and one Arbor with two XTRs. Helix is the "big rock breaker", Hofstede can be used for smaller or secondary cracks, Arbor is a comfort laser for final collecting ores.

All lasers size 2, all modules the best tier (usually annotated by 3, like Focus III or Rieger C3)

Once you've cracked a few rocks, you can start experimenting with swapping for active modules (surge, stampede,...), but in the beginning it's better to stay with the passive ones

[spice shell]

Got a link for any info on this?

[jade cape]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-4-3-2-ptu-patch-notes/8307835

[magic nova]

cconceptually I'm digging these changes

I think its going to exacerbate the getting-stuff-out-of-the-reclaimer issue, but its a good step forward

I haven't used a reclaimer or SRV in conjunction, but is it possible for SRVs to tractor salvage to a reclaimer?

[vestal ravine]

I think it can but this SRV can only tow smaller ships.

[jovial matrix]

Its probably possible, but its going to take a very long time and be quite difficult, especially if other players are there contesting you

I'd bring 1 railgun each and a ton of ammo, alongside your primary, cause thats the best way to damage the worm on foot afaik

[jovial matrix]

yeah you could, but you'd be limited to S4 ships and under, which I believe is stuff around connie/corsair/MSR size

[wraith tree]

any reason to carry the full size salvage/repair rifle vs the multitool and swapping modules out. i'm not trying to hand salvage, just want to be able to field repair

[fallow badge]

Is there a better spot to start cargo runs with the Mustang? I'm in Area 18 right now but get trips that need like 3+ runs

[magic nova]

in the Area 18 space port you can rent the C1 for the cost of a small cargo delivery, it will immensely benefit you

iirc its in the big square-donut room

you may also be able to rent a RAFT, but the C1 is bae

[magic nova]

two other tips: 1) the C1's copilot seat has a tractor beam, I don't remember if the turret interaction button only appears after you get into and exit the seat for the first time or if that bug is still present, 2) absolutely invest the 76k auec into an ATLS (sold in the Area 18 ship sale-y place), it makes moving a lot of boxes a lot easier

make sure you set your keybinds for "enter remote turret" :)

[fallow badge]

ended up glitching when pulling into my hangar and got arrested than reposition stuck

loaded in, went to restart again and when i pulled my mustang out it was glitched with a wing missing

[wise stump]

Now what we need with this salvage patch are the srv able to or pull bigger ships or have multiple srv pull bigger ships. And guilds insane aswell as guild beacons. So when a guildy destroys an ship or does pvp, or any mission that is worth of placing a beacon for the org if they want to extract the ships or go there to take it. Without the person having to stay behind. Just place a org beacon and go.

[small galleon]

Thank you!

[small galleon]

Basically Erkul for mining? Thanks!

[knotty bolt]

Would go kinda crazy ngl.
I saw people complaining about the reclaimers limitations with these changes. No docking/landing in refineries outside of pyro etc and I kinda agree.
But I will say between Reclaimer rework or salvage gameplay improvements. If forced to choose I would always choose gameplay improvement/additions. As long as the ship is playable, and while quite clunky. It is definitely very playable.

[wise stump]

for sure. I just see what we can add more to round up the gameplay to this salvage gameplay. In a org setting. Without having to spawn ships from your org mates.

[random patrol]

Basically. I mean people telling you want to put on your ship is fine....but you experimenting and finding out what you like (and dont like) is even better.

[royal spear]

This to me heavily hints a new salvage ship coming soon.

[spare cloud]

We already know about a RSI salvage starter.

[royal spear]

oh ffs not another needless entry from RSI...

so sick of RSI being shoved into every gameplay loop

[spare cloud]

Golem equivalent but for salvage

[remote willow]

There's already the fortune for that

Kind of makes me think it's going to salvage and dump the cargo in space. Leave a little trail like a dung beetle

[royal spear]

The comments on this Salvage thread are confusing me... Am I misreading or did they at no point suggest that you will no longer be able to refine onboard salvage ships? Are the actually removing the ability to print boxes on salvage ships or are these people just cracked?

[remote willow]

Maybe they'll throw in a cargo hauler that is very proficient at scooping stuff up automatically

[royal spear]

Just a giant floating magnet 😛

[remote willow]

The way I understand it is you'll print boxes just not RMC or CM. You'll be printing boxes for powder chowder and chunk that you take to get refined

[royal spear]

Oh I see

[remote willow]

There is a deployable device in EVE online that serves a similar function. Wouldn't be out of the room of imagination for CIG to borrow a good idea

[royal spear]

CIG would NEVER, EVER steal ANYTHING from Eve online..

EVER

How DARE you suggest something like that

[remote willow]

[royal spear]

I feel like adding a raw materials component that needs processing at already semi inconvenient refineries isn't particularly exciting development of the gameplay loop but ok..

[remote willow]

Wanted to add this since I bothered looking for it lol

Just to show what I was talking about

The more interesting question I don't see a lot of people talking about is how are you going to get the material out of the reclaimer to put in stations? She can't dock at the majority of them

So you either take the long road to pyro, risk grim hex or you land on a planet and grab a hauler

[royal spear]

Especially when we have seen 0 progress on refinery ships and when they seems to just be pushing the idea of buying an RSI ship that is just superior in every way to all the other purpose built ships made by pleb manufacturers who emphasise industry and purpose built kit in their design lanaguage..

[remote willow]

Even if she could dock at them, there's no way to transfer the cargo unless the refinery will do it with a stored ship. Which I doubt because they explicitly stated they wanted us to use the freight elevator in this process

[royal spear]

The cargo delivery issue on the Reclaimer has to be addressed at some point so I'm assuming their are just biding their time to tie it into a wider redesign

And they can't be arsed to do bits and bobs on the ship when the whole thing needs fixing

[remote willow]

I'm sure as it stands they'll just tell us to go to planets and haul

[royal spear]

yep

or jettison in space and haul

[remote willow]

Hell, maybe it's time to start letting players issue hauling contracts

new player begins to ponder why all contracts lead to a back alley near grimhex

[royal spear]

Maybe they "borrow" some more ideas and let you set hauling contracts to stations that you are unable to access

[spare cloud]

CIG doesn't see it as a starter.
It's a competitor to the Vulture.

[remote willow]

But why though, we already have that

[spare cloud]

And well, 175$ is a lot for a starter

They want each game loop to have a starter ship for it, so people can do whatever they want immediately when getting into the game.

[royal spear]

We have a starter..

[spare cloud]

Yeah no.

Not that

[royal spear]

But that IS what the starter should be

[spare cloud]

That's not meant to make money, and it doesn't, as the canister literally sells for more than what the RMC inside is worth.

[royal spear]

someone people stop dropping CIG on their heads repeatedly.

[spare cloud]

It's meant for patch repairs

[remote willow]

It's even more confusing that they keep referring in the notes to the vulture as a baseline. When the fortune is clearly the underdog beneath it. And now there's going to be a rival for the vulture? It's like three lateral moves in a row

[royal spear]

fine make an ATLS attachment

[royal spear]

I mean the vulture being a baseline doesn't mean it's the worst ship, it means it's the average

fortune trades extra laser for more convenient printing

[spare cloud]

Realistically, it could be the starting way, if CIG made RMC a lot more expensive, like, a lot. At least 10 times the current price.
But would also mean nerfing the hell out of salvage ships.

[royal spear]

and external cargo

and uglier design

[remote willow]

Okay fair, so how is a new ship supposed to be both a competitor to the vulture and a potential starter ship for salvaging? Or did I misunderstand you

[spare cloud]

Even 10 times not enough for hand salvage to be worth it

[royal spear]

It just sounds like canisters are not big enough tbh

[spare cloud]

What ?
The Fortune is the competitor to the Vulture.

[royal spear]

but also alpha economy is surely completely out of whack..

Like 20k UEC on their store is some extortionate sum of money

so at some point they thought 20k would be a lot

[remote willow]

I had to go back and reread what you said here #industrial-professions message

I did misunderstand you My bad

[spare cloud]

That, but they're also way too slow to fill.
It also wouldn't make much sense for the canister to fit 10 times more than its size, so upping the price and speed is the most logical way.

[remote willow]

A starter ship eh, back to my dung beetle theory

Somebody post a dung beetle GIF since I'm not cool enough to

[royal spear]

Idk I feel like the logic shifted from you being a human in space that eventually gets a ship and travels the verse

to starting in a capital ship on day one

and I think they will struggle to make it work on launch without it being dogshite

[remote willow]

Just think about it, I know you're probably thinking I am trolling. But the idea kind of makes sense. You work with a hauler And you print and eject as you go. Hell they could even make them stackable in space connect 1 scu boxes To make two, four, eight, 16, 32 SCU containers

I know this is more of a Drake strategy less so of an RSI.

[royal spear]

tbh that's kinda how I played 2 crew vulture with my mate. I flew a c1 behind him and the vulture ramp was open pooping out crates I just yanked into my c1 as he salvaged

[remote willow]

If a pirate catches you, you're going to lose your salvage either way. At least with my dung beetle idea, you could probably get away with your ship if it's small and fast enough

[lime vessel]

Somehow i believe they will add a new salvage ship for the next patch

[remote willow]

Nooooooooooooo

Guys, Nostradamus entered the chat

[lime vessel]

A starter one 😅

[royal spear]

by RSI?

[lime vessel]

Probably..

[remote willow]

Allegedly

[royal spear]

[astral sail]

I think you think I think you're right... (IYIYR)

[royal spear]

Is there a clever way to hot swap modules on golem? The damn laser retracts when I get out...

[remote willow]

Yes

You need to remove the 16 SEU containers

[royal spear]

oof yeah doing that now

it's fiddly

[fallow badge]

spent forever filling a rental with cargo just to get there and im not able to request landing

ended up with a wanted level, blown up ship, lost all time and cargo + repositioning for 20 minute

[random patrol]

Welcome to SC.

[fallow badge]

i got off with the plan to uninstall

than i opened up yt and watched a star citizen video

[random patrol]

If I uninstalled every game that had issues I wouldnt have any games to play.

[fallow badge]

im just addicted and it knows it

[royal spear]

Just play one of the other games that offers what SC does.

[wise stump]

As i read it reclaimer and do it onboard..

[remote willow]

?

[wise stump]

nvm i look through it again its going to be same as mining. well then at least I hope we can land with the reclaimer on those stations

[remote willow]

Maybe eventually, but definitely not when it's implemented. Unless they have a stealth update for the reclaimer or the space stations.
Odds are you're going to have to fly down to the planet offload and then reload onto a hauler. Or risk Grimhex or the pyro stations

[jade cape]

Probably expecting people to transfer cargo in space

[austere sentinel]

1 life goal done

[oblique sedge]

Hull C through master?

As much as EH is busy I still find it more reliable than Terra so pump the 698 rather than 711. Not much difference in cash but more reliable. Cost is zero rank progression.

[olive gull]

Refining for Salvage? Are you F*** Kiding me?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/alpha-4-3-2-patch-watch-structural-salvage-update/8310081

🤦‍♂️

[magic nova]

makes perfect sense to me

I'm all for this change

oh updates to the multitool tractor beam, hype

maybe ATLSs won't have a ridiculously slow speed when moving them

[royal spear]

It's fine just kinda adding more meaningless elements to the process.. I would've prefered something actually engaging rather than pressing buttons on another terminal.

[lime vessel]

Maybe we will need different salvage raw materials for base building.

[royal spear]

🥱

[magic nova]

they have explicitly stated this is a foundational step towards such things

[random patrol]

People either play of they dont....its pretty simple.

[royal spear]

if you make every industry path the same and give no interesting gameplay it kinda defeats the point of making different industries... you can build with virgin materials so why bother making salvaging if we are shoehorning it into the same gameplay loop as mining?

[random patrol]

Mining is more enjoyable than pooping out boxes in my ship.

[lime vessel]

Well Salvage actualy is boring as hell.

[royal spear]

do you feel that clicking a terminal button at a station after you are done with the boring is an improvement?

[random patrol]

Its better than sitting in the back of a vulture and clicking a button....

[royal spear]

you are going to do that too

[lime vessel]

No

[royal spear]

...eeexactly..

more chatgpt development from CIG...

the the crazy thing is they are explicitly stating that this isn't a placeholder...

[random patrol]

Maybe we should be out there with oxyacetylene torches cutting up chunks like real men

[royal spear]

That sounds epic af.

Grab a sheet of hull from enemy ship to patch a hole in mine

[random patrol]

NGL that would be fun

[royal spear]

not gather dust to turn it into boxes to take it to station to turn it into other boxes

[random patrol]

Less point and click and more actual work

[royal spear]

like at this point they need to add gadgets and modules to slightly tweak some salvage laser stats and we have managed to come full circle and clone mining by pointing laser at differently shaped object.

[lime vessel]

It should be possible to fail a salvage process like destroying a rock.

[royal spear]

it is possible by bumping the ship/plate and sending it spinning out of control 😛

or blowing it up

but yeah there is no risk reward

but that's fine because we were told this is an extremely simple placeholder

but the refinery bullshit they are saying is strictly not a placeholder... so idk

the whole point of salvaging is the logistical elements are more streamlined. You take something that has already been refined and processed and manufactured into ship parts or wtv you are salvaging it from and repurposing it with minimal reprocessing

[remote willow]

Dick measuring which game loop is more authentic is missing the point of this game

[royal spear]

otherwise you are just mining raw resources..

[royal spear]

Nobody is really talking about authenticity here

[remote willow]

Semantics

[small galleon]

Guys got the mole. Which lasers are which. 1-2-3=Center Left Right?

Or...

[spice shell]

They needed to differentiate salvage by using different base mechanics.

Maybe Origin GLAX armor disintegrates under traditional heat and harvest arms, and so you need to use some other mechanic like some acid bath or whatever, and then you can harvest it.

Maybe the Vanguard titanium alloy armor is a saw blade to strip and it skips straight to melting at the refinery, but are physical panels you have to stow.

Point being that salvage ships could have different tools for different, already refined and applied materials.

Suddenly, you could really use some of those explorer ships that are actually designed to find crap out in the black and sell what they find for you to harvest the right stuff.

[vestal ravine]

I just had a big salvage run didnt see any of the changes in the patch update. What gives?

[pearl juniper]

The patch isn't live yet

[vestal ravine]

I just downloaded a big patch. In live mode.

[pearl juniper]

Hot fix then. The patch is on the ptu, according to patch notes

[vestal ravine]

Ok, will keep an eye out for it.

[magic nova]

ths patch was a hot fix for a bunch of bugs as well as fixing the Vara award misattribution in Arena Commander. 4.3.2 is soon™

[red granite]

Salvage:
Shields - OFF (enables RMC scraping)
Powerplant - OFF (enables fracturing)
Is this correct?

and if so, would distortion damage to knock the powerplant offline work to enable fracturing on a ship that is powered up?

[spare cloud]

Distortion doesn't work afaik

Not for that, I mean

[red granite]

so gotta go in and shut power off or soft death...lame

[spare cloud]

Eh, salvaging components is supposed to be worth it, so eventually, it'll make sense that you go in first

[red granite]

True, that's a good point. Would want to go in first anyway to grab the components befeore deleting them with the fracture/collection anyway

[small galleon]

I'm having problems with the main laser on the Mole. The sides seem to work but the middle one doesnt seem to. The turret is on, it just does not fire

[red granite]

Screenshot from the main laser seat trying to fire...

[lament herald]

Is salvage fixed?

[jovial matrix]

you'll have to elaborate, its been working fine

[loud kraken]

Anyone have trade routes they would recommend?

Tired of getting griefed at Shepherd

[ionic topaz]

Dont do trade routes, right now missions are more profitable and have no risk of losing your investment

[wraith tree]

the weather on planets pushing ships around during mining is a bit BS, can't our ships just burn through more fuel to stay in place in hostile weather

[pearl juniper]

sure, if you have a pilot to control it. Mole isn't meant to be a one man ship...

[fluid rock]

Any guesses what the Hull-B cargo grid will look like?

#3 seems like the best for loading/unloading in a hangar. Just not sure if the height is too large for the ship

[knotty bolt]

Couldn't it be a "secret" fourth choice, where it cant take 32 scu crates, because 4x24 scu crates on each grid would also equal 384?

[wraith tree]

Im in my prospector getting beat around but the winds and getting pushed away

[pearl juniper]

Ahh. Sorry for assuming, usually those complaints are regarding solo mole flying. This is one of many situations where flying with dual sticks is a huge advantage over mouse and keyboard, as you can just apply as much thrust as needed to stay in place, vs the all or nothing that you get with the keyboard.

[wicked storm]

Is there something I am doing wrong that causes my hull c to disappear while flying, or not load/unload a missions cargo?

I’m newish to the master rank missions and the hull c in general if that helps provide some insight

[wraith tree]

Well i have a hosas on order, but im currently flying with a warhog and the laser power is one of the flap wheels in the throttle base, so throttling forward means constant throttle or nothing

[grim spade]

Have they nerfed the gemstones Mining?

I remember going to pyro with my ship and a ROC to find some gemstones

[wraith tree]

I’ve heard some people put laser power as the right stick rotation

Other day i landed and got out to put a fresh surge module on and the wind blew my prospector away, had to chase after it, left engine was nearly sheered off from the tumble

[spice shell]

Did you power off the engines? This seems to happen when you have them off. Though it's beyond ridiculous that it happens at all.

"Newtonian physics"

• 600,000kg ship blows away in a brisk wind.
• little 110kg man runs after it.

[atomic mortar]

I'm trying to deliver almost 300scu to this tiny elevator, and it only accepts like one box at a time or it glitches out. Is there any other way to make this faster?

[red granite]

Use a different elevator or swap shards

[narrow breach]

is the hull B able to be unloaded while landed? i'm curious what type of design rework its going to get (given that its an older concept) with 384 scu

def doesnt look like it

i would almost say that i'd be okay with CIG reworking it in a way to carry more cargo then sacrifice its planetary landing

[jovial matrix]

it's original concept said that it was supposed to be able to be unloaded while landed

thats the reason its taken so long for them to start making it, they had to figure out how to make it actually unloadable while landed lol

[magic nova]

we can take inspiration from the silly Idris landing gear (worst part of the ship tbh)

allow me to present my vision

[wraith tree]

Yeah i still turn them off because i remember SC glitching and bad stuff happening when engines are on and not in the seats

[narrow breach]

I fuck with this

It better run too

I’d be okay with a reconcept though tbh

Just depends what they do I guess

[subtle valley]

the Hull-C||onga||

[fluid rock]

It’s definitely possible! I know I’d be very disappointed if it couldn’t handle 32scu.

[wraith tree]

But even when mining it’s pushing and spinning me in mid air

[royal spear]

Why is UEX trying to send me to Shubin mining bases with a hull c?

[limpid sluice]

probably becuase you didnt filter for space locations only

[royal spear]

don't see that as an option on routes... Would've thought my ship type would determine that too tbf

guess not

Ok I found it.. that is not an intuitive design xD

[red granite]

They should add that to the Hull C. You're not the first person to wonder why it routes to ground locations after selecting the Hull C

seems they are only using the ship to calculate capacity

[royal spear]

yeah and the filters along the top as buttons that don't look anything like filters is not the best UI 😛

[red granite]

is this SC or UEX?

[royal spear]

uex

[magic nova]

go rewatch the battle from BSG S1E10 where they hide a load of vipers on the cargo ship, thats what I want

just detach the 256 SCU hollow shell of a cargo container and theres a load of hornets underneath

[wraith tree]

They could make a mining/refinery ship that unfolds like Hull ships to deploy landing pads for miners

[magic nova]

yesss

[wraith tree]

I feel like ideally refining ships should work in such a way that crews never need to get out of their seats to unload

Like dock, unlock the bags, crew inside the refinery use tractor beams to remove them, put them into a kind of queue rack, grab and empty one from the end of the queue and put it back on the ship

[magic nova]

but at the same time, make the Hull C able to operate all its tractor beams at once, not just one chair operating 1 of 4 tractor beams at a time

[wraith tree]

Haven’t been in one so can’t speak to it

Can you load an unload your own boxes from storage in one? Or is it a 32scu mission boxes only ship?

[magic nova]

its fly to space cube, boxes magically appear, fly to next space cube, boxes magically disappear for now

[wraith tree]

But mission boxes only

Not an option to move refined ore from mining?

[magic nova]

yes

[wraith tree]

Ah

Eventually i need to buy a raft or c2 to move stuff

My freelancer or MSR just aren’t meant for it

Trying to grind in game with the prosecutor to start buying ships

And weird what they’re doing with refining via concept ships, Expanse is old but just refining, but now rsi has a bigger ship that refines and mines?

[visual anvil]

@wraith tree are you hauling you can work with me if you want i got a raft and ill split it all with yah

[stable osprey]

So I'm not huge into doing the cargo hauling missions but I do like doing mining. However I don't have a designated cargo ship. My idea is to kind of just mine and have a large enough load to sell at one time. Now I phoned the caterpillar during the second life missions when you had to go cargo off of a cargo hauler and the caterpillar would be one of the ships. But I felt like the caterpillar was a pain in the butt to fly. Now I'm thinking of waiting for IAE to pledge one. Looking for something bigger than a raft and connie. To my knowledge, a caterpillar, carrack, c2 could work. Is the caterpillar a good ship? I'm considering giving it an actual chance to impress me.

[magic nova]

don't do the catepillar or carrack, they have terrible storage

RAFT or C2 if you want to move boxes

[stable osprey]

is it the grid or just the overall storage?

[magic nova]

overall, its really annoying to load/unload them

[wraith tree]

My org has them for me for me to use, i just want to independently have my own

[visual anvil]

sounds good just thought id offer

[stable osprey]

I have noticed that when trying to loot an AI carrack...always a pain to get the 16 scu containers out

[wraith tree]

I appreciate that man

[red granite]

Glacosite and Beradom gems. Where to sell in Orison, TDD or Admin? And more importantly, how the fugg do I figure this out nowadays? It used to be really simple to look up the commodity on SC-tradetools and it would tell you, did they bork that? I hate UEX

did the game make a change? is everything at TDD now? Used to be different spots for example CM and RMC, I'd go to Area18TDD for the RMC and then either the Area18Admin or Baijini Admin for the CM(dependent on how lazy I was and if I really wanted that slightly better price at Baijini).

[craggy tapir]

i mean, its not really supposed to land that often

[royal spear]

As a medium/heavy hauler? Maybe with some chunky fuel tanks but that's extra weight to carry too that isn't profitable cargo.

[craggy tapir]

i meant the idris

because i pinged on the idris

[royal spear]

aah 😛 My bad

[vestal ravine]

Since Pyro doesn't have TDDs in Stanton stuff normally sold at Admin were transferred to the TDD's.

[magic nova]

I would like the idris more if it didn't have landing gear, couldn't be spawned at an XL hangar, and had to be called in at a docking port. Get rid of the landing gear, the ramp, and make it purely space based

[red granite]

I'd be ok with all capital ships getting that treatment

but that ship has sailed

[olive gull]

sadly, yeah, my opinion is that Capitals should be actual multicrew to fly instead of single man against the Verse

[royal spear]

Definitely should never, ever, ever have pilot weapons

[red granite]

or need a crewmember to reload/arm them. 2+ human crew minimum to do anything other than fly this ship. Even that I think needs 2 people to not be a pita. LIke fuses failing nonstop without an engineer playing a minigame keeping the ship healthy while the pilot flies.

[spice shell]

They royally screwed up the game by releasing capitals before they were actually ready.

They needed to consider making stations/seats dedicated to a ship's elements, such as a weapons seat, shields seat, etc. Unless someone is actively sitting in those seats to operate those systems, they don't work. Engineering could route controls to a specific seat, but you'd still need someone at that station.

Honestly, my ideas and yours don't really matter. The point is that CIG didn't really think this through. It's half baked.

[red granite]

"we're going to make our own game studio so we don't have to listen to publishers and shareholders...ok so turns out devs are human and need to eat and food costs money...we're gonna have to make some dumb decisions in the spirit of funding this game as we can't feed our cats with hopium"

I agree with you though, whales would toss cash at them for anything. CIG didn't need to sell us capitals.

[compact plank]

It's half baked cause the "alpha" only supports what it can. Of course marketing will affect it. They want to see the limits we push it to before they add more. Gotta realize the business model they've built themselves on and just go with the flow. Reclaimer owners have known this pain far longer than anyone.

[novel panther]

Does the RAFT have a known bug on cargo disappearing during unload with the built-in tractor beam?

[red granite]

first I've heard of anything even remotely related to what you're talking about. Possibly too many entities nearby so stuff just started despawning?

[novel panther]

Was just weird - grabbing 1scu-boxes from the cargo grid to move to the elevator - it took the one from down the staple.
Just noticed that the boxes were screwing around somewhere in the hangar ... strange.

[limpid sluice]

I have had cargo go flying across the hangar when grabbing an upper box while the lower one was still attached

Physics doing physics things

[novel panther]

Yep, that's exactly what happened. Managed to find the missing boxes somewhere in the hangar

And fitting an ATLS on the grid is just ... well, weird as well.

[red granite]

SCU box fission

[royal spear]

I can't wait until we can weaponise cargo crates by flinging them at enemies at high speed.

[limpid sluice]

I mean, you already can. ATLS has a fling feature

[royal spear]

But can you kill things with it?

[limpid sluice]

ive not had the opportunity to try in an area outside of armistice, but if you wanna test, by all means. i suspect its yes, since knocking people with boxes can already do some damage

[jovial matrix]

I can confirm, my orgmates have killed me a few times by flining boxes at me

[royal spear]

I've only ever been trapped inside boxes that were flung at me

[jovial matrix]

an equally terrible fate

[wraith tree]

Watch the crafting presentation from last year, I reminded of crafting in Star Wars galaxies online were material quality affected stats to the point that you could have highly buffed med kits, armor, and weapons, this should be pretty interesting when they release it

[viral heath]

is the atls geo purchaseble in game?

[jovial matrix]

yes, its around 100k at lorville

[viral heath]

thanks.,, its should it into a cutty red right?>

[jovial matrix]

yup, I've fit two in a cutty red before

[viral heath]

nice... use that cuttty to min on bloom then

[green hinge]

Anyone know why my second abrade scraper on my Reclaimer isn't working? I just fitted it with two Abrades, any ideas? Thanks.

[cedar sphinx]

Do you need a vulture to do salvage or are there cheaper ships?

[amber steeple]

Make sure you Alt + S to focus both.

[green hinge]

From the pilot or scraper turret seat?

[amber steeple]

I've personally never flown the reclaimer. I'm gonna assume it's from the seat that you control the scrapers.

It might just be bugged... If no matter what you do fixes it just store the ship, remove all of the scrapers installed, save it then reinstall them back and retrieve the ship again.

[remote willow]

The m i s c fortune is slightly cheaper and a easier to use than the vulture. Doesn't hold as much storage though

[royal spear]

Reclaimer doesn't have 2 lasers heads per seat. You can have 2 options fitted that you can switch between. Sounds like you are choosing to use abrade or abrade 😛

Actually I'm pretty sure you can't even put a different head in the tractor slot

so Idk what you're asking..

The Reclaimer has 2 remote turrets for scraing, each one with 1 scraper head and 1 tractor beam.

[storm storm]

whats a good hull c cargo run?

[red granite]

Commodity trading or contract hauling?

[valid raptor]

Anyone have an issue with thier mole changing its heads? Ill equip the heads and attachments I want but after i log i come back and my mole is changes back to stock components.

[storm storm]

comcodity

[red granite]

none

[storm storm]

whys that

[red granite]

none of them are "good" as the hull-c is too buggy and the risk too great for such little profit

[storm storm]

would it be better to trade in a taurus?

[red granite]

the least shit crazy dumbass why would you do this route would be an accurate way to ask 😛

taurus would be fine, but aUEC it's better to do contracts than commodity no matter the ship

[storm storm]

oh really

speaking of the hull c being too buggy - im not getting a cargo deck at checkmate, is there a fix for that?

[red granite]

I think the best route for Hull-C is 12million invest for 2mil profit but then you're sitting there at the sell terminal for hours IF you get everything to work perfectly and don't lose the load and your 12mil investment in the process

[red granite]

no idea, if using mobi to call cargo try the MFD, otherwise no clue

[storm storm]

well there goes my test run at comodity trading

theres no other way to autoload the hull c right?

[patent spoke]

What system and mission set would be best for trying to unlock the Hull C ones?

[storm storm]

back and forward mission between planet and station like arccorp and baijini

like the small ones just stack em

[tall karma]

Pyro is hell, stick to Stanton for hauling unless you enjoy 3x 4SCU deliveries to tiny outposts at 80GM away from each other.

There's a whole progression, may have changed since I did it, but starting junior doing as described, one station to one planetary delivery. Hurston and MT have distribution centers also which increase the volume of hauling missions you can access that use dedicated hangars / freight elevators vs the cursed outpost public freight elevators.

Avoid any mission that sends you to a outposts with public freight elevators. While they may be working "better", they are still limited and frequently break causing frustration.

[storm storm]

From member rank i use my hull c now so i dont need to move boxes, might also be faster but idk

[mild cloud]

What ships can be auto loaded in space like the Hull c?

[olive gull]

Only the Hul C

[patent spoke]

You get hull c at member? I thought it was the rank above

[mossy crag]

Thats what im saving up for now is the Hull C. Im using the Raft and making about 250k every 35ish mins

either the Hull C or the C2, but I really like the fact that I dont have to physically load anything on the Hull C

wish I could buy some sort of robot like an ATLS that would auto load

is Pyro hauling much more dangerous?

[royal spear]

you are correct you get hull c contracts from experienced rank +

Nothing stopping you from running lower rank contracts with a hull c, it's just a waste of time.

[honest grove]

Any pyro hotspots to avoid or at least be aware of walking into?

[vestal ravine]

I did 8 or 9 Red Wind missions in Pyro after 4 got the 117k mission. Got killed once at the terminal at night. Landing at these outposts suck I could barely get a Freelancer Max to fit. Stopped doing them.

[teal scroll]

So I'm guessing the C2 is a better end goal than a Hull-C? Been running cargo out of an Asgard but I'm gonna need an upgrade to match some of these higher end contracts.

[storm storm]

What? You buy hull c yourself and use it

[storm storm]

I dont think so

Atleast since i dont have a bigger cargo ships than the taurus, and i can fly around in a hull c longer than move boxes without going insane

[burnt flame]

Does anybody have a good mining load out for tarinite/ large mass rocks for the mole??

[burnt flame]

Actually best for mining tarinite and gold

[royal spear]

You are better off running a rented raft and direct planetaries

[lyric bough]

Shepherds rest, sacrens plot. Both mega hotspots

[random patrol]

Why gold? Its low A tier below bexalite

Prices are close though...and ive seen gold more often than bexalite

So I can see why

[burnt flame]

Well is there a build for a teir or nah?

[vestal ravine]

For the Mole SCHaulers has builds or Frontier Consolidated.

[random patrol]

What do you have on there now?

[patent spoke]

How can i prevent overfilling the reclaimer scrap processor? For instance, i munch a polaris for 700 scu - but 500 gets wasted

[knotty bolt]

"Thats the neat part. You don't"

[cursive oriole]

So how bad are those new salvaging changes looking for the Vulture?

[austere sentinel]

not done the calculations myself but someone said that it is around a 50% profit loss

[cursive oriole]

O.o

Guess I'll be melting my beloved Vulture for something else and just stick to my RAFT for money making, once things settle down at least and I see something I actually want.

[pearl juniper]

Rmc is unchanged right? Did anyone actually bother with cm with the vulture? Seems like it really changes nothing at this point.

[grim herald]

did they take the raft out? havent been able to find one

[magic nova]

Loreville sells them

[royal spear]

Yeah the RMC prices on the PTU seem completely stupid based on what I've seen from videos.. Especially considering you now have an extra step to the process that will also, presumably, carry a cost and inefficiency in processing..

I don't understand how they expect to see any testing done on the new system if they are so heavily disincentivising people from using it..

[remote willow]

They're wanting people to test the new system which is focused entirely on Construction Materials, Not RMC

_>

[royal spear]

I thought both require processing?

or is the change only for CM?

[remote willow]

I could be mistaken but the way I understood it, it was just CM

[verbal nimbus]

Is there any rough estimate of how much material you can get from scrapping a caterpillar?

At work rn and curious af so I can't check myself

[onyx trench]

Are you all noticing that the GEO scanning doesn't detect nodes or show any feedback since the hotfix?

[unique ridge]

yeah rmc is still the same you just scrape and sell

cmat has to be refined now

[onyx trench]

Wondering if this is server-specific. Tested on 3 servers last night with multiple new GEOs

[jovial matrix]

I don't know how much RMC you get from a caterpillar, but I do know that they dont give you very much, at least for how big they are. They're also a pain to salvage, speaking from experience

I avoid them when im salvaging

[verbal nimbus]

Damn I see, was hoping it'd be worthwhile lol

[jovial matrix]

yeah, not really

[verbal nimbus]

I'll turn them into dumb fire missiles then lol

[plain pewter]

Was about to buy a vulture... guess ill wait. What about mining? Also meh?

[red granite]

I haven't confirmed, but I see a lot of questions about it in helpdesk. GEO not showing the rock info. Not sure if the TAB ping scan works or not. My guess is CIG broke something to try to keep people from inspecting the hathor hole gems before opening it up?

[spice shell]

You're going to haul boxes until that attitude improves.

Once morale is better, you can gratefully buy a mining ship, and then spend 30+ minutes to find a minable rock like the rest of us.

Alternatively, salvaging for half the profits and twice the time spent is also acceptable.

[red granite]

are the rocks broken/not mineable or is it hard to find one worth cracking now? 4.1 I mined a ton of quant without issue

[spice shell]

Feels very sparse now. Honestly, I wonder if they quietly increased rock cool down or broke something for spawning. I kinda gave up. Some people reported better luck in Pyro, but then you've got the huge jumps.

[onyx trench]

that was our suspicion; we tried in a ROC - the ROC seems to be scanning just fine but can't see down the unopened hole (which seems to be their intent). So seemingly GEO is broken this hotfix

[onyx trench]

are you talking about since this Hotfix specifically? Or this patch in general?
We were group mining on Cellin and coming across Quant rocks relatively often in a small group

[red granite]

That's probably it then, accidently broke the GEO when trying to hide the hathor minerals

[spice shell]

General. I hung up the pickaxe for a bit out of frustration.

[gloomy furnace]

wondering whats a better salvaging experience, the vultur or fortune, only for a solo players experience.

[storm storm]

I havent ever heard of anyone running a fortune, i think vulture is just better

[gloomy furnace]

ok then ill stick to what i got

[spice shell]

I run the fortune and love it. It's really convenient and makes unloading pretty painless. You can stuff boxes internally, or just dash and drop. It's actually one of my more favorite ships in the game. Except the entirely yellow hud, which makes it hard to catch objective markers sometimes.

[gloomy furnace]

hmmmm two different opinions

well i guess ill buy it and see if i like it

[spice shell]

If it's only one ship you're ever using, the Vulture is hands down better, but otherwise the Fortune is nice when you're swapping ships and don't really need what the Vulture offers.

[gloomy furnace]

well ill keep that in mind then

[knotty bolt]

I mean its unchanged in the way that you scrape and sell it. But its price has been reduced by like 33% or something like that

[sharp swift]

In the PTU:

RMC is down to 4250
CM is up to 8k and needs to be refined. Reclaimer can refine it in-ship apparently

[pearl juniper]

ahh. I meant the process for RMC is unchanged, not the price. I wasn't aware of the price change, although I'm not surprised.

[sharp swift]

Ah, yeah the process seems unchanged

[royal spear]

Oh? That's interesting.. Has this been posted somewhere?

[sharp swift]

Yeah a YT channel something like itsjojotv just posted a video of it. Good channel for staying informed that isnt super long. Dude keeps it to like 12-14 minutes

SC Haulers is also good. They keep things real short to cut the BS

[royal spear]

will be interesting to see how good the money is because you would get a metric ton of CM with reclaimer before and at 8k per scu that could be very good

[gloomy furnace]

are there any medium salvage ships we know about in the works? like something like a argo mole but for salvage

[burnt flame]

i think it's like hexi II and some other random module

[spice shell]

I haven't seen much in terms of tangible evidence, but what you described is exactly what the rumor mill is convinced is coming. Apparently this and an RSI starter salvage ship to better fill the spectrum.

[burnt flame]

Can you send me the link?

[vestal ravine]

Give me 30 minutes or so... thx.

[burnt flame]

alg

[gloomy furnace]

yo a medium salvage ship would be insane cause i cant with the small scu sizes on the light ones, and the reclamier is too much of a pain to solo

[spice shell]

They typically don't make sweeping loop changes without also releasing new ships. We know a medium salvage is coming, but it might not be ready. I'm not personally tracking unannounced ships to know when it'll drop.

[vestal ravine]

Here is another good one: https://regolith.rocks/loadouts/calculator Frontier Consolidated: https://www.youtube.com/@frontierconsolidated and SC Haulers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_7Bg6sMnY Note the latter two have Discord channels...

[royal spear]

reclaimer is insanely convenient to solo but does get drastically more efficient with crew.

[gloomy furnace]

really? i tried it once ant was such a pain to readjust it each time

mayby im just buns

[royal spear]

for RMC is stupidly easy once you figure out where you should park relative to the ship you are stripping. You swoop through one side of the ship then jump out and go to pilot seat to flip over to the other side. Binding enter remote turret to a key helps too.

Same thing for the claw really though it is more annoying after fracture as parts tend to fly off. Usually it's not super worth aligning for bonuses unless you are getting a large part but it might be more worthwhile with new CM system so could be even more beneficial to bring a friend than ever.

[gloomy furnace]

wi would bring a freind if his pc didnt crash every time he tries to update

but iwas alr planning on getting a reclaimer just cause i love salvage

bbut you made more intruioged

[burnt flame]

ayy thanks man

[blissful flume]

has anyone tested and got an idea if salvage is dead on the next update?

[vast token]

how much feynmaline is one scu?

[jovial matrix]

1000

[knotty bolt]

That depends on what you mean by dead.
If you exclusive think money wise.
Then its about a 30-50% drop in my personal experience. On top of the refinement time/cost.

Personally I still like doing it but I dont need a lot of money so..

[patent acorn]

That is selling without refining, or after refining?

[knotty bolt]

The numbers are.
5-5.5k per SCU of RMC
8-8.5k per SCU of Refined CMAT
Fortune/Vulture lose about 70% of CMAT after refinement
Reclaimer lose about 85% of CMAT after refinement.

No clue what sales prices are before refinement. I would guess 2-3k per SCU possibly less

These numbers might(probably will) change before going live.
But those are the numbers. So easy example.
Refining 100 scu cmat(powder I think?) from a vulture, would give you 30 scu refined cmat. That would sell for about 280k aUEC.
But would also take at least 3 trips to a refinery/elevator.
To get the same results in a reclaimer you would have to get 200 scu cmat (salvage?). But ofc most people end up with at least 600 if not 1000 scu in a reclaimer from a single trip. So its a lot easier

[glass dust]

If I understand right Reclaimer 660 scu CM-S
You will get on only like 99 scu of refined CM?

With 8k price per box thats around 792k

That does not feel good for all the running around

[knotty bolt]

Sound about right yeah. Ofc it will also take like 20-100 hours or maybe more depending on refinement speed/option.
And you would also lose like 20-50k?
These are just guesses from what I have seen

[red granite]

I'll bet the numbers do change before it reaches live. I'm curious to what it comes out to aUEC/hour and if CIG is trying to balance contract rewards with sandbox industry rewards. Right now hauling is by far the best aUEC/hr imo. Until that gets addressed things will be out of whack. I'm not sure what would be better, bringing everything down to where contracts(sans hauling) are or bringing everything up to where hauling contracts are. Those hull-C jobs rewarding 700k every 20ish minutes makes it hard.

[jade cape]

can relcaimer refine on board? or does it have to be taken to a refinery station?

[knotty bolt]

Not currently no. Maybe in the future.
Your best bet is either pyro(checkmate, orbituary and ruin all have xl hangars) or hoping for external freight elevators. Apparenty they have been seen on the ptu, but not fully functional.

[knotty bolt]

Personally I would prefer if non missions reward the most. Or rather, the bigger the risk the higher the reward.
So commodity trading (buying one place and selling another) should be pretty damn reward. Because you are spending money and hoping not to get pirated/the price having tanked.
Obviously that requires the dynamic pricing to be properly implemented and pirates to be a little more common.
But currently its not worth pirating because items are contracted and lose all value.
Missions are (mostly) safe and you only lose time(sometimes reputation as well) for failing. But gain huge.

I feel like mining and salvaging wont be really worth it until base building/crafting gets implemented. But we'll see

[red granite]

Crafting is a good point. The aUEC value of stuff will matter less then. Mission rewards being aUEC will be less comparable to the salvage/mining loops that get the crafting materials directly. Agreed on commodity trading vs. hauling. I'm sorry space truckers but you we get paid way too damn much for flying point A to B without risking anything in the hauling missions, especially right now with the Hull-C autoloading

Put haulers on a timer and adjust rewards based on how quickly they can deliver, with it being nearly impossible to get the full reward would be cool, but that'll never work with hangar queues and the bugs we currently have

[limpid sluice]

It could if they had a way to factor in how busy the ATC has been into the timer it generates for the contract

[red granite]

Yeah, bonus pay for delivering to a high-traffic area. Like peak time pricing

[remote willow]

Not much point in testing out these new systems without a lucrative financial incentive, unless there is another use for construction materials.... An unannounced use....

[deep bison]

Wait, what are you trading where you have to sit at a terminal for hours to sell it?

[red granite]

the same thing everyone else in the region is trading. we're all battling at the sell terminal as soon as there is demand again

whatever the meta route is that patch usually

[deep bison]

But the more people sell something somewhere the less profit you get. If you have to stand at a terminal waiting, you are gauranteed to be getting a lot less profit.

[knotty bolt]

Only "profit/hour" not profit from that 1 transaction

[deep bison]

no, that specific transactions profit will be less than it would if you sold it somewhere that you didn't have to wait.

[spice shell]

There's quite a bit to be said here about the balance changes. They clearly feel that salvaging was earning way too much money either in general or because of the overall risk level.

Hauling is problematic because it's clearly their baseline and earning way too much given risk/investment. Contract hauling simply needs to be tuned down since the risks and investment from the player is so low. Hull series ships are like the quintessential low-risk ship.

If the baseline hourly rate for contract hauling is, say $100K/hr, then commodity trading needs to be more like +15-25%.

Mining should probably be the most profitable loop if we're all honest. They need to increase the risk encounters and boost cave mining. Jumping into a cave creates all sorts of vulnerabilities. In terms of risk level: Asteroid -> Surface -> Cave.

Salvage needs to have similar risk escalations paths, and CIG isn't leaning into this much yet. Hull scraping should be about on par with contract hauling. Component salvage needs to be a thing, because you have to get out of your ship and spend some time yanking them out, which is added risk. Illegal salvage should be expanded. I assume that this is what they're prepping us for with the recent changes?

Combat missions should pay more, but your costs should be higher. If you're proficient enough to avoid maintenance costs, you're making bonus pay.

IMO, cargo hauling lacks high risk loops outside of partilium types of hauling. Besides, this is only a commodity loop.

They need to add contract/commodity risk loops like instability/volatility or sensitivity. Add in blockade running or emergency supply delivery via timers (or combined), and you have greater risk/reward.

It also feels like we're taking steps backwards with smuggling. Contraband, stolen goods, and tax evasions should be common. They already have or had mechanics for this stuff and keep breaking it or something. Shielded cargo, limited space secret compartments, ID spoofing, and data running are long overdue.

[patent acorn]

any news on if a reclaimer will be able to refine at any point?

[compact plank]

I'm mining with the MOLE and my friend is hauling all the ore pods for me. When we switch pods and he goes to refine the filled pods through freight elevator. The refinement process does not "Discard" the junk (inert mat, and other stuff). Using the initially filled pods after placing a refinement order still showed the junk in the pods when using the MOLE again and extracting any ore wouldn't register. Any have this issue or got an idea how to get around it? My first was selling the junk at the other terminal but it either comes up as an error or sells successfully and the pods clear, but the issue remains where it won't register extracted ores.

[knotty bolt]

this has been an issue for at least a month if not 2.
The only fix I discovered was just selling at the "raw ore" terminal. If that doesn't work. Then I have no clue

[storm storm]

Is there a way to instantly remove all cargo from ahull c

[ionic topaz]

@storm storm not that im aware of unfortunately ditch the ship, claim and take a coffee break

[onyx trench]

No, but sometimes if you use the on board tractor beams to grab the underlying containers, they may loosen the ones on top making it faster to clear sections at a time. You can try to do this in decoupled mode with some very light drift to help with clearing the panels.

[slim mica]

Is the caterpillar worth grinding for? I heard it's very awkward to load but I love its aesthetic

[grim herald]

any hauler orgs here?

[tropic stag]

after messing with plenty of them during resource drive, I wouldn't unless you just literally love it. You'd be better off saving a little more for a c2 which can have multiple purposes.

[slim mica]

I've been considering the C2, but I find it kind of ugly lol. C1 looks a lot prettier to me

[tropic stag]

It's just so functional, and flies much better than it would appear. I use my M2 for NPC missions and ambushes. Flies good enough to dogfight the other large ships and can take any cargo thats worth.

just a bit annoying doing actual cargo with it since you lose the stackable grid.

[lyric bough]

can anyone confirm what missions i need to do to lvl up headhunters to unlock high value scrap targets

[royal spear]

I mean lets be honest the economy balance is going to be pump up whatever they want people to do, nerf into the ground whatever is unimportant or undercooked atm.

[royal spear]

Just to clarify the Reclaimer will be 10% less efficient at refining but can do it on board? Am I understanding that right?

[pearl juniper]

I really wonder what their ultimate rebalance goal is going to look like for 1.0

Like do they have a goal for "how long the game will take" if you start with a starter ship?

[royal spear]

probably a complete shit show for a while considering people will have idrises and javs out of the gate, all the industrial ships they desire, ect. I suspect the game and economy will be an unadulterated shitshow for a while on launch until they can reign it in.

[pearl juniper]

Yeah, I'm ignoring all the people who paid to not have to play the game, they don't count and in my opinion, are destined to be disappointed

[royal spear]

Perhaps

I honestly think CIG will not have the balls and those people will just run rampant on launch

but we'll see

It would be bold to assume they have even a whiff of a plan given that after 10+ years they've only just about managed to cobble together a rough list of stuff they want to exist for 1.0 😛

[pearl juniper]

I mean, the whole point of pledging for ships was always supposed to be "have the ship on day 1 when the game launches". Not sure how they could take that away.

[royal spear]

well simply making it completely inoperable and unsustainable to use those ships

until you have a functioning personal economy

and if they are actually going to model a functioning economy there should be immense scarcity of resources on launch

as players should be contributing in a large part to supply and demand

[pearl juniper]

Yeah. Or gate their use behind gameplay / rep, but once you unlock them you either get the ship, or unlock the ability to purchase it. But people would lose their shit on that.

[royal spear]

I would love to see an eve inspired skill system for gaining the ability to perform different tasks and fly/operate different ships and systems but alas I don't think that will ever be a thing in SC

I don't really gel with the fantasy that some random spaceman who got dropped on his head in Lorville is capable of flying, maintaining, upgrading and fully operating a military class capital ship from the moment he lands on his head but hey ho

[spice shell]

Most people will park their ironclads for their Raft until they gain enough rep to haul enough boxes to be worth it. No one is going to start the game hauling 8 SCU to make 30k when it costs the Ironclad that much just to take off.

[royal spear]

that's just the thing though, I don't think CIG will have the balls to make it cost that much.

I don't think they will have the balls to enforce the necessary minimum crew sizes for some ships

I'm looking forward to being proven wrong but I'm a sceptic to a fault.

[pearl juniper]

Right but the question is, how long do they want that to take. A few hours? A few months? The way it's set now, mission pay in particular, it feels like it will go too fast.

[spice shell]

That's what they need to ratio out right now. They have to calculate costs based on targets. My guess is that they set the target too high, and so they set missions to pay too much.

But it's also alpha and things should be easier to get. We've already seen them set and stick to high prices on stuff. Look at what they did with missiles and torps!

Personally, I want to see them slash 1-2 zeroes off everything.

[knotty bolt]

No. It cannot refine on board. Still need to use a refinery station. And currently the cmat it produces (they produce different unrefined cmat), is half as efficient as the vultures.

[pearl juniper]

including mission pay? Just make the numbers smaller? Or you want everything to be easier to get and progress faster?

[spice shell]

just make the numbers smaller.

[magic nova]

monkeys paw curls: scm speeds and weapon projectile velocity have one less digit in them

[simple cape]

I really want to give this game a proper go. But I keep getting sucked in to playing 20 year old games.

I did some solo mole mining but have recently heard they are trying to stop that being a thing. Or something.

[storm storm]

Now thats annoying, everytime a contract bugs out i can wait 15 minutes

[vagrant phoenix]

hey all, looking to get my head around mining and its gameplay loop. Bought a ROC and took it down to a planet, mined out my first set of gemstones, where to from there?

Is it just selling them through the commodity markets? I also saw something about refining, but not as familiar with that yet

[ionic topaz]

@storm storm yep, advice, to minmize bugged missions, dont take missions to everus, and dont take another mission while in the drop off box for your current mission

[novel harness]

Hull c working this patch?

[ionic topaz]

@novel harness for the most part, avoid high traffic stations and keep your mission pick up/drop offs clean

[novel harness]

As in buying cargo working?

I like to gamble

[ionic topaz]

Oh, no clue, missions pay more than trading, with less risk

[rich path]

Salvage missions for headhunters, when you reach max applicant there will be a mission called "Wanna be a headhunter?" or something like that. You need to do it to align with them and progres your rep further

[knotty bolt]

Couple of ways if you wanna continue with gemstone mining, you could buy a crate and fill up with gems.
Going from one deposit to the next.
When finished you go back to one of several trading spots. Usually tdd(planet commodity shops) buys most legal things. So you try that out.
I think currently you have to take the gems out of the crates before the shop recognises them.
But I am not very familiar with gem mining anymore. So this is all I can do

[willow tiger]

Is there any way to find caves? Or is it still just follow x co-ordinates for x distance at x speed?

[rich path]

Bounty Hunt contracts sometimes give you a quantum marker to them

[lyric bough]

im confused why i have rank 4 from doing a bunch of missions for them yet still have neutral

[rich path]

Did you do the ambushes/patrols only?

[lyric bough]

mostly yeah

they only give rank?

[rich path]

That explains it, they don't really give you any meaningfull rep

[lyric bough]

hmm ok

i really dont get why 1 faction needs multiple "rep" bars

sigh

[storm storm]

Aight ill keep that in mind

[patent spoke]

Any thoughts on the optimal drive for the Hull C? Is it worth refueling or better to commit some fraud?

[rich path]

@lyric bough If you want to farm rep, go do salvage missions, the cheapest ones and 20k ones, 50 and 80k are often bugged and won't give you a quantum marker to jump to them. Just jump in, shoot the salvage target till it explodes and take another mission

50k convoy missions are the only ones that have something you can loot really as you can get a C2 with 200SCU of gold there

[gloomy furnace]

does anybody know what ships you can get for the salvage "clean up" missions? and ar ethey in pyro

[vestal ravine]

The SC website called verse guide has all landmarks marked on global maps. Try it...

[olive gull]

the ships you get depend on your reputation with the mission provider
you start with a tiny Arrow then progress in size as your rep grows

Pyro / Stanton, doesnt matters

[storm storm]

i use TS2, refueling is like 20k for a full tank which is much better than waiting 15 minutes on insurance

[patent spoke]

You have to use the docking port right?

[storm storm]

if its loaded up yes

but with autodock its really not hard to do

[patent spoke]

autodock?

[storm storm]

yeah

get close to docking port and press and hold N

does everything for you

[patent spoke]

neat, thanks 🙂

[storm storm]

np

[ionic topaz]

my advice would be dont use looted drives for the Hull-C you'll have bugs that require you to destruct the ship, so unless you are looting the TS2's yourself it'll get expensive

[storm storm]

i just use the one i found at exec, no issues

[verbal nimbus]

any idea why my stored containers don't show up in lorville TDD?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/82210365147979776/1426293079366963211/image.png?ex=68eab271&is=68e960f1&hm=4975ffbe4eedfd14108a1c4a1637408544fde2ef40209df0cfc166d8095dba58&

[lofty crest]

hows cargo profits feeling in the ptu?

[limpid sluice]

Not too familiar, but looks like TDD does not buy scrap at loreville, you have to go to Central Buisness District, according to uexcorp

[verbal nimbus]

it does, my buddy sold the first batch about half an hour before me

[limpid sluice]

No idea then

[verbal nimbus]

but i also have a bunch of other things in my warehouse, like quartz/iron/distilled spirits/food

[limpid sluice]

Try relog, maybe inventory issues

[willow tiger]

Ohhh thanks! I might have to check that out!

[vagrant phoenix]

Ok thanks I'll try that!

[verbal nimbus]

is there a quick way to unload a reclaimer in a station or tediously via the elevator?

[coarse ember]

reclaimer will probably take some damage but if you open the rear elevator in the printing room you can clip the boxes though there by putting em short side down

[verbal nimbus]

yeah the cargo elevator isn't responding

idk why

[wraith tree]

is the helix 1 still the best prospector head? trying to mine quant

[pearl juniper]

It's the most powerful and hardest to control. Not necessarily best

[wraith tree]

You can’t run two surges at once anymore can you?

[grim spade]

Aight BOIS

time to get to Mining

[red granite]

Define run.

[wraith tree]

You can’t have them both active to bust larger mass rocks

[compact plank]

Yes you can.

In the mole, I triple surge for 60k mass rocks, all the time.

It's a glorious thing to master

[grim spade]

hmmmm

I have found plenty of quantanium that I cant mine

around 2.5m worth

as of now Im flying in my rental prospector, what would be the best location for this kind of basic setup? I feel like the Rocks were mostly too big for the prospector to handle

[wraith tree]

Then may im not understanding how to activate them, i tried and when i would try to activate the second it would deactivate the other one

[compact plank]

Should be default (Left Alt+ 1 ; 2). And both will run their timers. You can try surge+stampede instead, could be an isolated bug on your end.

[compact plank]

Are you mining in Stanton or Pyro?

[red granite]

You activate them separately. Data accurate as of 4.3.2

[grim spade]

Stanton

okay Im gonna need a better ship for mining

[jovial matrix]

yeah, the rental prospector is pretty ass

[wraith tree]

Does it not work with stamped? I’ll try it again

[red granite]

Which ship?

I can go test if it's MOLE or Prospector

[compact plank]

You can rent it and swap it with better components through freight elevator. Upgrade the mining head, slap on modules, Argo Bags. Just do your best to not blow up. Then you gotta do it all over again.

[wraith tree]

Prospector helix 1. Ill try it again

[compact plank]

What modules are you running?

[grim spade]

yeah Im trying to get another 600K to buy mine and equip it

[red granite]

we're science-ing if 2 surge modules can be activated at once

[compact plank]

I'm positive you still can, I did it in the mole with 3 of them yesterday.

[wraith tree]

I had tried two stampedes but if I turned one on it would turn the other off

[compact plank]

Hmmm,maybe th stampedes won't let ya, surges definitely will let you

[rugged warren]

Are you industrial boys ready for nyx 😂

[past fractal]

When / If they add anything industrial focused that isn't just slightly retextured combat in a pvp hellhole, I'll be sure to give it a go

[small galleon]

Guys, I've been thinking of melting the SL Max for the Mole. I usually play with the SO, and more recently I can fully crew the Mole of 4 including myself.

I mean, for whatever reason the SL Max has been incredibly buggy the last couple patches

And I think a money generating ship would be a good option to melt towards. But man, I love the SL Max aesthetics

[fossil atlas]

is rmc or cm better this patch for reclaimer crews?

[red granite]

The OP question was surges. You want me to test stampedes now too?

[small galleon]

So what's the max mass the mole can break fully manned?

[knotty bolt]

I could crack a 60k rock solo, with helix 2 and 3 surges active. It wasn't pretty but I managed
I have no idea how multiple people cracking it scales though

[small galleon]

Oh. I mostly have passive modules. Wonder if 2 helix and one support would be better? I'm looking for something that makes everyone do something and not just kind of sit around

[knotty bolt]

Definitely good idea to have at least 1 that helps stabilize the rock. Helix can(does) give you a small optimal window to crack it in. So if the other have modules or mining heads that help counter act that, that makes everyones job easier

[red granite]

Theoretically, 1 MOLE could crack a 120k with passive modules and a sabir on the rock, more with active.
The window would be so tiny though so good luck with that

84.5k was the most massive I've cracked that I've recorded/paid attention to.

[small galleon]

Damn. I couldn't move a 40k rock with both lasers on the rock. Granted it was one Helix and Hoefstede.

[red granite]

Yeah, the 84.5k we didn't have power setups on the lasers. It took 2 MOLEs. 5 people total. Was a rando in global using a stock MOLE solo so I met up and helped. Not enough, Got my alt on to fill his MOLE not enough. So got my 3rd alt on with my MOLE and still needed to recruit a 5th rando to come crack it. My MOLE is setup for teaching so it's not that powerful. Theoretically though that should have been crackable with one MOLE that was kitted for straight power.

[small galleon]

Damn lol. What was the payout for that rock?!

[red granite]

I gave the rando we recruited 1m and took the leftover Tungsten since it was during the Resource Drive event. The OP that asked for help was only interested in the gold. I forget the math but the stats are there in the video if you want to calculate using regolith or whatever #imadethis message

[small galleon]

damn that's insane

[red granite]

I didn't use the regolith calc but my math says ~350k aUEC worth of gold

[grim spade]

Im having trouble figuring out the optimal loadout for my prospector

[red granite]

This is what I use. I suppose it depends on what you mean by "Optimal"
This is a good blend of power and ease of use. There are definitely stronger setups that can crack bigger rocks but most of the time you need a MOLE or another laser to help anyway so I use this for easy cracking and teaching.

[verbal nimbus]

What's the scrap-buff mentioned in the updates?

[sharp swift]

Multiple ships increase instability. A fully crewed Mole is currently the only way to put multiple lasers on a rock without increasing the instability.

[knotty bolt]

Oh yeah ofc, I know that. That if you have multiple ships the instability goes haywire.
I just meant I have no idea how scaling works for mass. Like how big of a rock you can crack with a fully crewed ship. From the stupidiest setup "3x Helix II + 3 surge" to a more balanced, high power, plus stability support etc.

[pearl juniper]

#industrial-professions message

It's linear. Three lasers = 3x the power and 3x the mass

But that calculator will let you play with loadouts and get a good idea how big and worth how much resistance you can crack

[compact plank]

Use nothing but surges. SURGES RULE.

[grim spade]

Some dude in the ingame chat saying that because of his reputation theyre paying him 17K/SCU on RMC

[knotty bolt]

Now that would be interesting

[grim spade]

I dont believe it one bit

in the golden era of salvaging we were gettin 15K

and as far as I know there is no gains on trades from reputation

[jovial matrix]

yeah thats some BS lol

[knotty bolt]

oh yeah its 100% bullshit, but would be slightly interesting, if different factions would grant you benefits based on how well respected you are with them. Currently at best a few factions give you a slightly higher payout for the same missions (mercenary jobs I think)
And otherwise you just get bigger/more difficult contracts

[grim spade]

He swears by it and says that is 100% doable

someone else reported apparently Pyro buying RMC at 11K per SCU

what Im thinking is, what if we were all wrong, and there is actually stuff we dont know off. All the websites like UEX and such work with data supplied by the players

[jovial matrix]

I suppose its possible that something was changed in 4.3.1, but I highly doubt it. You would think something like reputation changing the payout of missions or commodities would be something CIG made us well aware of

[grim spade]

yeah thats my thought too. I was never aware that such mechanics could exist. I know its different with missions, but not with payouts on commodities

but also, how possible it is to find a location with such a high payout? Pyro has just small settlments that wont take much SCU or RMC if any, and the bigger stations are well documented

[jovial matrix]

I also wouldn't be surprised if CIG forgot about some random outpost when they changed RMC prices, I dont know for sure though

[grim spade]

I think that would have come out eventually tho. People wouldnt stop talking about it and there would be crews going around in pyro

you'd think someone would eventually notice Reclaimers unloading at some small Outpoust

and even if they didnt change the price, there is still the demand issue

[jovial matrix]

Yeah, I think its much more likely this person is making stuff up

or going off the old prices without realized they've changed

[grim spade]

so do I but it does make you wonder

[jovial matrix]

indeed

[grim spade]

@jovial matrix quick question where do you buy the MOLE bags to fit into my prospector

[jovial matrix]

I think any refinery

cargo decks too probably

[potent tinsel]

is ROC mining working? cause atl geo mining is broke

[knotty bolt]

I dont think they do outposts/stations individually. At least not after they have been created. 100% they have a massive database where they just go "reduce the price by 20%" and its just does that across the game from the individual prices. Anything else would be psychotic

[lost sorrel]

hey found a really big rock with alot of quant i have a mole but i dont have any crew anyone wanna help me??

https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/1427021579552030832

[thorn spindle]

How's mining and salvaging feeling nowadays? Haven't done either since MM was hoping to get some thoughts on their current implementations

[sharp swift]

Fun, relaxing, profitable

[thorn spindle]

Golem or prospector for solo ? or is Argo best cargo still ? not literraly just tryna rhyme something

[sharp swift]

If you can swing a Mole solo then it's probably best, but you have to avoid turbulent areas/areas with wind since that'll push you around

[thorn spindle]

Gotcha

thanks for the info

[sharp swift]

Golem I've heard is a slog to solo up to a larger ship, but it is a decent starter if you don't want to fully commit

[thorn spindle]

I just wanted to use it because its small size and easily stackable cargo boxes since i plan to mine out in the halo for a few days while i fill a 890 hangar

[lyric bough]

not sure what other channel to put it in, but ive not made a single sale from my shop on the "grand barter bazaar" yet. any tips? am i just pricing too high?

[thorn spindle]

check what everyone else is pricing at and undercut em dont be afraid to "promote" on server chat

[willow tiger]

Hey guys, any way to merge or condense multiple size 1, 2 and 4 SCU boxes? I need to sell some trash ores

[red granite]

I fuggin' wish

[hot sinew]

yo is sctradetools still accurate

[red granite]

For the most part, see the pop-up warning about RMC when loading...

[hot sinew]

hmm

is salvage still good? what would be the best money maker rn you think

[red granite]

money for what? you want to enjoy the game and have fun or grind for aUEC for a ship that'll get lost with the patch

every game loop makes easy aUEC nowadays, do what you enjoy

[willow tiger]

Anywhere that I can sell 1 scu boxes?

[unique ridge]

any cargo center

and refineries too

[willow tiger]

thanks

[trail wolf]

Is atls geo mining good money?

[vestal ravine]

My Geo has a glitch on the right side power bar. Needs a new patch. Anyway, for Fenylmaline mining in Pyro it's pretty cool but fragile also. If you overcharge the gem it can incap you. Also, learn how to repair it in the field. Do you have a team mate to play with? Be careful!!

[tall karma]

It's amazing... if you mine a Hathor location with one

[unique ridge]

sure np

[chrome olive]

I'm trying to get 16.5mil for the hull c what's the best way I can earn

[compact plank]

Rent a Connie Taurus from hurston and slog through hauling till your experienced rank

[rich swallow]

A question, does anyone know why I can't get the mission to give MG scripts to Wikelo, I only get the other ones?

[mild pumice]

The mission system is janky at the best of times, try swapping regions if it doesn't populate after a few minutes

[chrome olive]

I've got a Taurus Every time I go for a red wind mission cause that pays a lot I always get turned away by a camper in a hornet

[red granite]

Offer the hornet a cut. Protection money

[chrome olive]

I don't even get a chance me and my friend were on a mission where attacked by a pair of fighter

[red granite]

Man what happened to good ol' extortion. Everybody just blows you up on sight these days

[chrome olive]

I know right I've not been playing long by trying to get an experienced rank is difficult

[compact plank]

Yeah, moving goods from planetary orbit stations to other stations are usually the best paying, and lowest risk.

[wraith tree]

agreed, clipped a decoration getting to my medium hangar on area 18, stations are just safter and easier to approach and land

[chrome olive]

I wish there was an autoloading feature on the Taurus

[olive gull]

fack the Taurus, if you are doing Cargo, get a RAFT instead.

[chrome olive]

How much is that raft

[magic nova]

3-4 mil

[olive gull]

rent is around 70k per day, buy it for 3.5 m

an investment you'll never regret

[red granite]

RAFT is worth it. Great interior too

[wooden kraken]

Moved to three locations now in stanton, no asteroids are scannable so far. Anyone else having that problem?

[verbal nimbus]

how can i sell cargo from my polaris?

[coarse ember]

land somewhere with a XL size hangar
(grim hex, and the main cities in stanton, idk about pyro)

after that you'd just have to unload it by hand into freight or store the ship and go sell your commodity

i would say you could dock to a station idk how that would work for the cargo

[glass dust]

Anyone know if reclaimer can refine from cargo hold after docking?
Or do you need to unload to local inventory. (On PTU)

[grand trellis]

Can anybody recommend me a good load Out for the prospectore

[knotty bolt]

Since no one seems to know I will say that last I checked you still couldn't but there have been updates since so....maybe?

[sharp swift]

The last PTU video I watched said Reclaimer could refine in-ship. I recommend going to YouTube and finding the answer. Itsjojotv had a video about it, others may as well by now but I haven't seen them yet

[knotty bolt]

I am going in now to test it myself

[knotty bolt]

The raw ore terminal can see your ship if its stored, but only if the cargo is internal. If its on the cargo grid it can't sell it as far as I can see. But the Refine Terminal cannot see it at all in either case.

So to refine you would have to empty it into an elevator first it seems.

[dull forge]

Just getting back into the game after a long break. I used to cargo haul in the caterpillar. Are there hauling missions for the hull c?

[unique ridge]

there are missions specifically for the hull-c

[dull forge]

Do i have to get to a specific rank with red wind or another trade org?

[unique ridge]

yeah with covalex i think you need to be member rank before you get the hull-c missions

[dull forge]

Thanks!

[storm storm]

Its experienced rank

[unique ridge]

ah thx yeah i wasn't 100% on that been awhile thx for the info

[median vault]

Anyone know the diameter and efficiency rating listed on the HUD for the vulture when scraping with running abrades?

[coarse ember]

iirc 0.9m radius, 340 efficiency and 3.5 speed modifier for the abrade module

cinch has similar efficency number but radius is 1m and it only has a 1.5 modifier

[sharp swift]

SC Haulers just pushed a video out that demonstrates the process for salvaging.

The Reclaimer does not refine materials in-ship, the CM it generates is named differently from what a Vulture gets when fracturing & disintegrating

[glass dust]

Thanks

[median vault]

Appreciate tht. Much lower efficiency #s but larger radius for same module on reclaimer

[willow tiger]

Hey guys, I've been trying quite a few places, but I'm REALLY struggling to sell <8scu sized refined metals of Borase, Iron, Quartz, Corundum. Any ideas or Exprience? (Been told to try the NQA terminal and Grim, but wanted to know your thoughts)

[olive gull]

this tool tells you where to buy or sell anything: https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer
unless the stuff was stolen from a mission? then only Grim may buy it but it will pay a fraction of the value.

[willow tiger]

it's incorrect, that and UECX or /we it's called

[limpid sluice]

Where did you try to go that it was incorrect?

[pearl juniper]

you are struggling to sell smaller than 8 scu boxes? Usually it's the other way around. Some places only buy small boxes but not big ones, but I have never run into the opposite.

[pale bloom]

!tradetools

[jolly dagger]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[plucky wraith]

Like In terms of hauling im still member rank And I don’t have the 400-500k mission for hull c. So can I do lower end missions with a hull C?

To gain XP like lower missions that I’m doing

[onyx trench]

It would not be worth it

Better served renting a raft or a borrowing a Hercules

[plucky wraith]

I own a C2 but I was wondering if that ship can auto load and unload on lower rank missions

[onyx trench]

Not for cargo missions

[vast token]

how do you enable surge module when mining?

[red granite]

ALT+1,2,3 are the default active module activator hotkeys

[gaunt bough]

any reccomends for a solo MOLE setup? Just comparing what ive been using hoping for some inspiration

[red granite]

I'd probably setup 1 laser for maximum power, 1 for maximum extraction efficiency/inert filtering, and the last a good mix of power and ease of cracking (bigger window, reduce insta/resist, etc) so you can be lazy and crack rocks without stressing.

Main that last laser, switch to the power if need be on the bigger rocks, and then use extraction laser when it's time for the succ

[gaunt bough]

icic

been thinking abt putting a fltr laser

any thoughts on helix vs impact s2? Im kind torn between them cuz the helix kinda needs a focus 3

as my main laser

[red granite]

Helix for power laser, impact for the succ laser, hofstede for the easy laser

[gaunt bough]

Ic

[red granite]

they shouldn't be too expensive, play around and see what works. !regolith you can change out the loadouts to see numbers

[jolly dagger]

Regolith

Use the website to search for ore location, optimal mining loadouts and the best trade locations

[gaunt bough]

ive been kinda moving from helix in solo and using impact instead

[red granite]

unfortunately idk if there is a good way to see what the green window would look like so you'll have to test to see how much power you need to sacrifice and still get windows that aren't 1 pixel wide

[gaunt bough]

yeah I been doing that

[red granite]

Mine isn't kitted for solo but the power laser is helix, rieger, riger, focus

[gaunt bough]

so far I think an impact s2 with surge/surge/stampede is functioning similarly to a helix s2 with focus 3 and 2x surge

why riegers > actives ?

[red granite]

Mine is setup for n00bs and ease of use. I sacrifice a lot of power so there's a lot of room for error.

passive

I don't want to have to claim or buy new surges all the time