industrial-professions

[copper sky]

this one should give you a bit more with the C1 since it's circular

[nocturne rune]

yea

thats gr8

[vivid river]

I swear there was a cmd

[spare cloud]

Nope

[vivid river]

Fever dreams be real man

Too much salvaging, I'm seeing shit

[nocturne rune]

and pyro is safe there?

cause i really dont wanna die lol

[vivid river]

More or less

I rarely see people

[nocturne rune]

alr

tyvm

[copper sky]

yesterday i encountered a couple people, but they were traders like me so we didn't fight

I think most pirates aim for larger vessels, don't think a C1 like ours interest them

[nocturne rune]

true

i hope

are there any security measures i can take?

[copper sky]

maybe go around the outpost a bit to see if you see anything suspicious, place your ship nearby the cargo area so you can just take the stuff with the C1 tractor and try to stay in between building

there's not much you can do besides that

just gotta be careful and hoping there's no one after you

[nocturne rune]

where do i buy

got it

first 600k loaded

omw to bloom

[nocturne rune]

where the hell is the sell thing on riv

ive been searching for minutes

[copper sky]

its in a small shack with some boxes in the middle

Its nearby a big ass warehouse

[nocturne rune]

im here

got it

[nocturne rune]

there even was a player and i killed him

he shot first 😔

[vestal ravine]

Good going!! Did you complete the sale?

[nocturne rune]

yesss! currently going for round 2

just met a really cool guy with like a spacecat suit

glad i didnt shoot him out of fear hahaha

[vestal ravine]

Sometimes those elevator pads are bugged. Hope you do okay trading.

[whole nebula]

hey can anyone recommend any trade routes for me i used to play and it seems all the old ones are not any good i got a taurus

[nocturne rune]

pyro or stanton?

[whole nebula]

stant

[nocturne rune]

Legal or Illegal?

[whole nebula]

legal

i saw before getting off last night u can make 4k profit on food per scu but idk if enough to fill havent ran it yet

[nocturne rune]

I found these

https://uexcorp.space/trade/routes/?__clear=ok&id_vehicle=49&id_star_system_origin=68&id_star_system_destination=68&is_loop=1&safe_commodities=1

The link

[whole nebula]

i feel like that isnt showing all the good ones the guy i was with we were looking at some that had higher prices and margins were better unless this shows one i should be able to fill cargo on is but if i take less cargo with with higher profit per by alot i imagine the food might still be more profit no?

[nocturne rune]

here i sort for profit

dont know if there is any more

it will not

[nova talon]

rip

adding these to my constelation tarus. is this a good one for just general fast travel for saving as much time as i can?

[nocturne rune]

thx for sharing

[undone socket]

hey hey, any idea, best trade run or what to run from where?

[weak tinsel]

scroll up a bit same question asked and explained

[olive gull]

put a Hemera instead

and IcePlunge instead of IceDive, rest seems good

[nova talon]

ok. how come?

hemera cause distance? idc about distance. i dont ever have an issue with that

[olive gull]

Hemera has less power consume and faster accel

you wanted the fastest, right?

[nova talon]

well. ig.
max speed vs accel is a good point
how much faster accel for a 32k max speed trade off?

[undone socket]

awsome, also do u know if roc mining is working again, or still borked?

[nova talon]

i heard its still borked. idk tho

[spare cloud]

You can just watch the time for whatever distance you want on Erkul.
Hemera is only faster for trips below 20GM iirc, but difference is tiny anyway

[nova talon]

ah i see what u mean. thx

[weak tinsel]

go to pyro
stanton is random

[nova talon]

how long is stage 1? cause hemara is 2x faster.

[spare cloud]

That doesn't make a meaningful difference

[nova talon]

ok. so ill be fine with the huracan (i already bought it. so)

[spare cloud]

Again, just watch the time difference for whatever distance you want.
Stage 1 acceleration will only change things of a couple seconds in trips between a planet and its moons

[nova talon]

9 second difference between them at both 60 and 6 Gm

5 sec difference at 1 gm

7 at 2.
so barely anything. indeed

[vestal ravine]

Had a Scu lock on gathering RMC with the Reclaimer. Going to reclaim the ship and hopeful this is a fix. Anyone else have this problem?

[last karma]

Hemera also has way lower cooldown time between jumps

16 seconds vs 38

[ornate halo]

Anyone try the hotfix to see if mining was fixed?

[tall karma]

I think the hotfix is client side and on the same servers as the current servers, which would likely not fix the mining problems as mining assets are generated by the server.

[mild pumice]

painful - the rep gain from 2 senior hauling missions

only viable stack I found (did them in my C2) took around 1h 40min (330k x2)

no wonder it's taking so long to get through it lol

measuring it's about 18 missions to go

[cyan sable]

didnt think this would work because of the open cargo bay on the nomad but theses crammed in boxes somehow stayed on

[mild pumice]

Nomad is a great little pickup truck

[cyan sable]

yeah i think thats a total of 32 scu i rammed in

[mild pumice]

Nice

[cyan sable]

didnt think it would work after losing a few salvaged guns i put in a redeemer interior and they despawned or clipped out during quantum

[pearl juniper]

The Huracan / Hemera break even distance is 36 GM, IF you ignore cool down time. When you add the the extra 22 seconds of cooldown time on the Huracan, the Hemera is faster overall up to about 95 GM.

AND the Hemera is more efficient.

[nova talon]

ok thx

[dark wigeon]

Hello citizens. Can I deliver cargo from hauling through admin terminal or does it have to be the elevator?

[pearl juniper]

Hauling missions are only though the elevator

[dark wigeon]

Okay cool thanks

[regal tide]

Do all modules for mining Stack?

[regal tide]

I keep trying to move everything out of a storage box into the station Inv. and it won't do it any work arounds?

[plain shoal]

Any info on profit per hour with gem mining? It's pretty nice to do but im trying to ean a phenoix ingame so I don't want it to take a year haha. Is it decent or does cargo or combat missions make way more per hour?

[tall karma]

Go to the inventory kiosk instead of your freight elevator and open the container "old school" -> drag and drop each item.

[last karma]

where are the refinery box delivery missions in pyro supposed to go, theres no location marker

hab/clinic box deliveries seem fine

[weak tinsel]

My experience mining Feynaline
100gems is 0.1 SCU and one patch of gems can be 100 to 200ish gems
Getting one field is usually a max 30min job
If you are lucky with finding gem patches you can gain around 200k/h a bit lower realistically
On average it's the same as bounty cargo but much less effort

[finite fulcrum]

Is autoloading working now in the hot fix?

[weak tinsel]

Passive do stack 100%
Active should

[finite fulcrum]

When I bought commodities it just wouldn't show up in the c2

[weak tinsel]

Store and retrieve ship

[finite fulcrum]

That wasn't working for me

I'll try it again tomorrow tho

[lament ember]

Can't wait for them to fix ATLS ship cargo unloading, hauling is so much easier with it..

[weak tinsel]

Tap the cargo with a handheld tool then the atls will work

[elfin rune]

Yah but moving all the boxes to be able to move it again. Its really time consuming

Love the atls it works wonders

[elfin rune]

Does the auto loading work?

Cause id pay for it

[weak tinsel]

Autoload should work
Just gotta retrieve and store the ship when you are in hangar before doing it

[weak tinsel]

No need to move or at least I didnt need to
A simple click it once with a hand tool makes it work

But I agree it's really annoying going it anyway

[elfin rune]

Please explain for my dead braincell

I buy, select autoload. Then store and retrieve?

[left girder]

From what i seen autoload is very tricky you have to be perfectly parallel

[weak tinsel]

No

[near swallow]

You retrieve and store the ship before you go buy anything.

[weak tinsel]

When you freshly log into the game or claim a ship

Go to your hangar
Retrieve the ship
Store the ship

[near swallow]

Or before you load stuff from a refinery

[weak tinsel]

Then buy and load
Same for refinery orders

[near swallow]

That said, Hotfix supposedly has a fix for that issue. If it is working.

[weak tinsel]

Nope

The recent HOTFIX was not to fix this issue

Its tried removing certain crashes and error codes

The new 4.1.1 patch that's currently on Evocati so basically a fancy name for hot mess in house stuff is fixing this
ETA would be a week or two I'm guessing

[near swallow]

I'm talking about this:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-4-1-live-hotfix-central

Potential Fix: PU - Cargo / Commodities - The player can autoload cargo with the vehicle unstowed, causing the cargo to be stuck to the vehicle grid

[weak tinsel]

Ah so it tried fixing it okey

[near swallow]

That would be on the Hotfix channel

I think, unless that's a server side fix

[weak tinsel]

Would seem to me that's server side stuff but who knows

I will keep doing the ship shuffle till the end of my days tho

[near swallow]

It is probably safer to do that

[weak tinsel]

I still keep doing precautions for some old random bugs out of habit and a tiny bit of fear

[lament ember]

All ~50 boxes or one of them is enough?

And yeah, no auto load/unload for hauling missions unfortunately, only for own cargo.

[weak tinsel]

Yeah sadly each one of the boxes needs to be zapped once with the hand tool beam

[near swallow]

There's one exception to that: Hull C.

[lament ember]

I heard that there are 2 possible ways to fix that - turn off engines before full power off, and also Store and Retrieve the ship with cargo.

Gotta try that today

[mild pumice]

so... I flew all the way to Pyro, still doesn't work.

[weak tinsel]

Try vuur

[mild pumice]

not wasting anymore time on this tbh, I trhink I'll just melt it and maybe by the time you can buy it it game it will work lol

[weak tinsel]

Fair

[mild pumice]

Have been to so many places over so many days, it's never worked not once

[lament ember]

But what's the main point of mining? I heard it is not one of the most profitable activities out there.

[weak tinsel]

It's easy and I find it fun
Also it is good money
People who say it is not are doing pve ore hauling
Both to make good money require expensive ships
While mining can be done cheaper and with rentals

[lament ember]

Might try later, but currently I'm focused on hauling. Started about a week ago, went straight for Taurus (CCU from Miner to get LTI) and now hauling and find it pretty profitable, especially with mission stacking.

But thanks for info

[mild pumice]

I had fun mining in the Golem tbf

It's a cool little ship

[sonic fiber]

It's easy

[elfin rune]

It might not be the best, but if you like it, its personal. When i go mining i dont care ( mostly ) about cash/hour, i just enjoy the loop

[elfin rune]

Then if i land in a different place, like an outpost?

[weak tinsel]

All good then

[weak tinsel]

The important part is to be present as the ship stores

[lament ember]

Makes sense

[cobalt rivet]

Why does it keep saying failed when I try to sell my stuff at the TDD

[elfin rune]

Sorry to be annoying but let me understand it. Imagin you want to buy a full C2 of beryl, and sell it in a city. How could you do it without moving boxes manually? Thank you

@weak tinsel

Im not joking, i love the hauling loop but i hate the box moving part

[pearl juniper]

Unless there is a city or space station with a hangar that sells it, you can't

Outposts are manual load / unload only

[tall karma]

If you purchase a full haul you can auto-load and auto-unload at significant risk. This rarely works if you have more than 1 cargo type inside the ship. It also rarely works at all.

To do this you need:

1. Go to Admin or TDD at the station or planet based on the commodity you're selling.
2. Select whatever ship in the list has your inventory (PS - it is not always the same as the actual ship carrying the cargo)
3. Max the quantity and hit SELL.

If this fails it will get stuck at processing for like 5+ minutes. If you succeed it will put your ship into a new status and you will have to wait for the auto-load to complete.

RE: #2 - When you open the list of ships from the TDD/Admin console you will 99% of the time have to select either a different ship stored at that location or your own character name to find the cargo manifest.

Auto-unloading takes a little bit of time also. A full C2 will usually take like 10 minutes (last time I did it was during supply or die).

If you get a failure, you will need to switch servers and unload manually as you will not be able to sell cargo at that station on that server any longer since it will be in a bugged state trying to unload cargo from your ship.

[lament ember]

TLDR: Don't use auto load/unload

[weak oyster]

hmm there was a server error was holding a crate after it came back then it dissapeared

[weak oyster]

lost a 8su crate yeap

[sage lodge]

that was the chris roberts tax, he taxed your crate so he can r&d more concept ships

[weak oyster]

it disappeared after i grabbed it

[elfin rune]

@tall karma thank you

[deep bison]

Hmmm, How fun is Hand Salvage these days? I found an unmanned ROC on the ground and was thinking of trying to scrape it to bits, is that worth it?

I haven't tried it since 4.0 though, is it buggy?

[tall karma]

Hand Mining? ROC does mining. Its buggy at the moment with many people reporting surface rocks are not targetable.

Oh geez, just re-read what you said

yeah, hand SALVAGE not worth your time

[coarse ember]

hand salvage is only worth it if you wanna touch up your ship's slightly damaged exterior, you cant sell the cartridges last i checked at a tdd that is the only actual use i can magine for the cambio srt gun and cartridges

[naive vine]

Do 32 SCU crates not snap to grid in caterpillar?

[red sierra]

they fit but dont snap iirc

[naive vine]

thx

[weak oyster]

do you have the graphic for C2?

[vocal swan]

It's in the pins, I believe!

[weak oyster]

ah for the 32s

ive been loading it correctly

[stray tide]

guys how to mine on a golem

anythign i should buy ?

[weak oyster]

ah it was 8 food su the one i lost

[floral spindle]

You know, I get that panel mining is like the big deal and all... but I think I'm just going to keep buying rights and salvaging ships.

Honestly neat to scrap everything, get in and pull cargo/components, that sort of thing.

[reef smelt]

Does pyro have more valuable ores to mine?

[vestal ravine]

From what I've seen of the top mining streamers most are in Pyro.

[reef smelt]

Cool. What are the ores I should b looking for?

[cobalt rivet]

Why does the TDD keep saying failed when I try to sell my minerals. My ship was manually stored.

[near swallow]

Have not tested it extensively, but I think the only hand salvage that works properly is using the multi-tool attachment and thus the small canisters. The larger canisters may be bugged. I don't think anyone really does hand salvage, and even regular ship salvage has gotten a few nerfs since 3.22.

[weak tinsel]

There are "special" ores in pyro but they are equal to quantanium, most people mine in pyro now cuz stanton mining doesnt work
This is a very useful site for miners https://regolith.rocks/

[edgy shadow]

are hand minables no longer scannable from ships? Meaning we cant locate via normal rock scanning locating method?

[weak tinsel]

i dont think we ever were able to scan hand minables with ships since they only spawn in caves

however the GEO can scan ping and it does show hand mine rock so i guess it works

[edgy shadow]

You could see them when you ping scan.

[reef smelt]

Thanks

[regal tide]

Wish mining was more skill based like scanning a rock and finding Fishers inside of it to place charges and then crack it open over just sitting there trying to juggle a bar in a green area which is extremely hard to see with the way they have their inner thought system or hologram system I don't even know what to call it.

[pearl juniper]

common, it's already the most skill based and complicated of the industrial professions

[vestal ravine]

Generally Quantanium is top tier not sure about the others I traded off my Mole.

[pure cairn]

I've done the 698k Hull C experienced cargo hauling mission from terra Gateway to Pyro Gateway, but for some reason I dont see the mission anymore, anyone know where to go to pick that mission up? when Im in terra gateway or pyrogateway it doesnt appear

[heavy thunder]

Whats the deal w/ the Connie Taurus? The cargo lift goes so low it beings to raise the entire ship up... and then the tractor beam keeps losing calibration and tries to grab the bottom of whatever I'm targetting - or worse - insists on latching onto the elevator when targetting small boxes.

Any fix or work around for these?

[hoary hinge]

As for the first bit about the cargo lift - it drops to ground level, and if you're landed on anything that isn't completely flat then yeah, it's gonna potentially lift the ship up a bit

Dunno about the tractor turret - tractor turrets are generally best left as a last resort; you will usually be faster with a maxlift anyway

[next cloak]

How much can u make with the geo per hour?

[heavy thunder]

Didn't know the tractor beams were supposed to be unreliable? Its much faster with loading boxes than the gun when its not acting wonky. The cargo lift actually lifts the taurus a bit while in the hangar. You can see the shocks on the landing gear move as the ship lifts & the elevator raises a few inches.

[hoary hinge]

Tractor beams are not meant to be unreliable, they're usually just less convenient than a maxlift

[floral spindle]

Usually the cargo lift lifting the ship up either indicates a bad landing (or landed with something underneath the lift) in my experience.
As far as the tractor beam goes, I've found it goes quite quickly but the aim is not dead-on with what I'm hitting. Usually I'm aiming just to the left of what I want to pick up, but so long as I do that I'm hitting my target reliably.

[strong pewter]

I love my tractor beam on my Connie, Atlas Mech is faster IMO, cuz its point and click, but having to get it out each and everytime essentially makes it useless cuz its fucking annoying.

[floral spindle]

Yeah, hate to disagree with Steve but usually the maxlift stays on my back most days now unless I'm trying to do some fine stacking/sorting or dropped a box behind a pile in the cargo lift.

The tractor beam has been ridiculously fast for me compared to how quick I can unload with a maxlift.

[heavy thunder]

I shouldn't had said "meant" to be, I doubt its intentional, just meant that in its current state its wonky. I do like it as its much faster pushing/pulling, but for whatever reason the beam likes to go wonky on me and grabs off-target or snaps to the bottom of cargo.

[heavy thunder]

Yeah, thats what I see when it starts to get inaccurate .. except for also watching it freak out start trying to grab the elevator floor no matter how hard I try to get a box.

[floral spindle]

If it grabs the elevator floor, usually means you (or it thinks you) missed a target.

Since shooting anywhere in the cargo lift attempts to grab it, which attaches to the floor 😦

[heavy thunder]

So the first few times I thought i was trying to move too fast.. but then I've tried shooting it above the cargo and bringing the beam down from the top, over from the side, or diagnol & it'll snap to the floor. I have to spin over to my cargo, grab/drop a box and it'll let me grab off the freight elevator again

It seems to happen after i've loaded several boxes of cargo and have gotten down to the last couple boxes, or the 1 scu box.

[floral spindle]

Best advice I can give is to try what I described above. Your cursor should not be on the box, but just to the left of what you want to pick up.

Which input mode do you use for the turret? (eg. VJoy, Relative, Relative 1:1)

[heavy thunder]

For moving boxes I go between the 2nd/3rd options. VJoy feels too touch and I fling cargo around lol

[hoary hinge]

For me, it's more of a matter of "how much lost time do I have when something fucks up" and "how precisely can I place boxes the first time" rather than "how many seconds does it take me to unload 7x16 into the general vicinity of the cargovator"
You may be right and I simply haven't done that much hauling in my Taurus to realise the expediency of the tractor turret

In addition, I don't really do a lot of hauling/trading, most of my cargo moved in my Taurus is picked off bounty targets, so it's usually only a few boxes. Tractor turret is frequently not very helpful when trying to pull boxes out of, eg, a Starfarer.\

[floral spindle]

It may also be a personal experience thing too. Like I've not seen anything like what Siq is talking about.

If that was my experience with the turret regularly, I would stay out of the thing as well 😅

For me, that thing is surgical. I can sometimes intentionally target boxes that fell behind other boxes just because of that offset I mentioned.

Dang, second time today I've pulled quant out of a salvage today.

Think I'm sticking with claims lol

[golden tendon]

but i want it :(

[fathom ledge]

so after a couple of weeks, how do people feel about the golem?

is it a reasonable sidegrade of a prospector?

or does it have limitations that make it not viable

[craggy tapir]

36% in 33scu

Beat my 44% in a 116scu rock

[golden tendon]

I was sad i couldn’t change out the mining head on it but then I realized after a YouTube video it had a pretty good one on by default

Still looking to buying the prospecter in game for the bigger fuel tank or maybe saving up for the mole but I do t have a crew to run that with

[golden tendon]

I barely find quant but I’ve been getting lucky late at night at ARC-L1

[elfin marsh]

I just got the Golem. Any fittings recommendations?

I got the golem only for the lifetime insurance, I love how it looks, I am sure it will get changed in the future if the locked mining head proves to be utter shit.

[craggy tapir]

Its supposed to be a starter
Kinda shit but should be safer

[elfin marsh]

That is why I got it. I want to have a starter ship for all gameplay loops. Mining, salvage, transport and combat. I have golem and vulture. I don't know what to get for transport as a starter. For combat I want Ares inferno.

[spring flame]

What’s better for levelling hauling rep between stacking missions to the same places or spamming direct missions?

[elfin marsh]

stacking missions. Seen it work on multiple youtube vids. deep research said the same when I had that question

[mild pumice]

Rep is per mission so yeah basically the more mission you can do faster, just note the XP scales by rank. So if you're member rank you'll getting twice the XP per Member mission vs junior.

[weak tinsel]

The Nomad or the Cutlass Black are both considered starter by most
i find the nomad much cooler

[weak tinsel]

the mining head is not that bad
requires mods to not boost it but to negate its issues
it is a starter and it makes sense that its not meant to be the best, the stats on it let it brake sizable rocks, its not gonna be a no brain needed task like with a modded prospector but it it good

[elfin marsh]

then it is what I wanted. Just a starter as on launch I won't know wich is more profitable and do wish to keep up with the progress.

is the The Zeus Mk II CL a good option for cargo?

I just like the way it looks. but as functionality no idea

going The Zeus Mk II CL, vulture, Golem, Ares inferno at launch sounds good to me at least.

I wanted that laser on zeus to help load and unload faster so I don't have to buy an ATLS

transorting the boxes generated by golem and vulture + some cargo missions is more than enough.

and ares inferno just because I want to go brrrrr on PVE missions

huh. I just realized I am buying Zeus and Ares.

[weak tinsel]

ATLS is 70k in game so doing a single hauling mission gets you the cash

I find the ZEUS kinda ugly and dont like it personally
but it is a good ship, only takeaway is that its tractor beam is kinda ass at lading the 8SCU or larger boxes
works just not very well

if you are willing to spend this much $$ on the ships yeah they all seem fine and its a nice starter lineup

[elfin marsh]

yea. I am fine with this amount of money spent. I did buy Alpha 2 for ashes so I can't complain. So far I spent 120+ dollars. With the last 2 ships I will reach the max of my spending zone for this game.

Perhaps if they decide on Sub then I would buy a few years worth of sub if they are discounted

Did the game say anyting about business model? Buy to play, sub, microtrashanctions?

[weak tinsel]

microtransactions is this game entire model
there are also sub like things to gain in the shop but its all cosmetics
afaik the game is a buy one and play forever deal

[elfin marsh]

fair.

[spring flame]

I have a Zeus cl and it suffers in cargo missions with over 8 of the 8scu boxes because of how it is designed

For example last night I tried a cargo mission because I have enough scu space on the Zeus cl but it gave me 10 8scu boxes which won’t fit sadly so the Zeus is nice for smaller amount cargo but suffers in the direct hauling contracts

[elfin marsh]

fair. ty for that input.

Is there anything bad about Ares except having to dock every few missions to rearm?

I do find that a little disturbing but ehh. Brrrrrr

if there are more bad things then yea, I might reconsider

Will look then for a Zeus alternative. Or perhaps get it entirely to do Golem and Vulture transport. Will sit on it. I have all the time since the game won't release this century.

if I see zeus on discount, then insta purchace. Or with lifetime insurance

[spring flame]

It will definitely work well for moving refined ore to sell

[spare cloud]

Zeus will not come with Lifetime insurance ever, but you can still get one buy buying something else that has LTI and upgrade it to a Zeus.
Ask in #ccu-and-fleet-advice for more details on that process and fleet advices 👍

[elfin marsh]

By the gods that is a good idea. Tyvm for that info will look at it

[spare cloud]

And for hauling contracts specifically, I'd get a Spirit C1 over the Zeus CL, way easier to use.

If you're trading commodities or collecting refinery orders, then CL is alright

[lofty quartz]

What is the bedst thing to mine atm?

[weak tinsel]

quant as ever in terms of cash

[spare cloud]

Janalite

[weak tinsel]

realistically Baxelite is my go to

[spare cloud]

Yeah, with Taranite

[lofty quartz]

How much does that give pr. SCU?

[weak tinsel]

depending on sell point 19-25k/scu

[spare cloud]

You'll want to check that on uexcorp.space

Gold is fine too when it's not mixed with an other T1 ore.

Gold + Quantainium is a funny mix very stable rock and no resistance, trust

[weak tinsel]

120kmass/20scu

[solemn glen]

Currently only have the Avenger Titan and I’m looking at the C1 or the Zues, I like the Zues a lot but not sure if it would be wiser to buy the C1 since it’s like half the price of the Zues and build money faster than what I’m currently doing

[sullen sentinel]

They are pretty comparable. I like the c1 over the zeus personally, its a bit wider but the cargo hold can hold a good amount and firepower is actually a bit better than zeus i think? The zeus does hold more though and is tankier too.

[solemn glen]

Does the C1 have good enough cargo to make some decent money cargo hauling or even trading?

I’m generally a peaceful player so tankiness and firepower isn’t a large concern

[sullen sentinel]

It can hold 64 i think on grid, but more than that if you dont mind stacking boxes off grid. I think you can even fit 3 32scu crates in if you load them with the on board tractor. Doing this means youre stuck in the ship until you unload it though. Thats another advantage of the zeus, 3 entry/exit points vs 1 on the c1

[restive saddle]

anyone want a crewmate?

i can do anything needed

[main grove]

how to use the mole's lasers. I scanned my rocks and now I jump to one of the seat and it's In fracture mode, but the laser wont fire.

[vestal ravine]

Check the mfds and the lasers have the power bars in that column.

[finite fulcrum]

Has anyone had an issue where you buy and autoload cargo, but you only get like half or less of it? Anyway way to avoid this

[spring flame]

i just delivered this cargo and it didnt complete and i confused

[finite fulcrum]

I did 30k when it was in the cargo transfer

[frigid jetty]

Still around? Got a Mole and a few Geos free

[weak oyster]

hmm the atls decided not to grab things from inside the ship but works on things outside

[floral spindle]

Any way to avoid it? Don't autoload 😅

Hate to say it, but I've heard far too many bad experiences to trust auto load/unload.

[finite fulcrum]

Yeah your right

[restive saddle]

Sorry for no response! I found a mate to go with.. altho my Internet will die soon, so not much point now!

[celest panther]

Is there anything cargo wise (maybe drugs) in pyro that makes good money.?

[vivid obsidian]

As someone who's literally never dipped into hand mining..how lucrative is this hadanite, beradom and feynmaline mining? Like, how many SCU can you typically bank from a cluster and how long does it take to collect?
Are there any hand/ROC mining specialists that I could ask a TON of questions to? 😄

[olive gull]

https://www.scminingmom.com/mining

[vivid obsidian]

While I appreciate that, I still need someone to talk to XD

I already use that, SCtradetools and uexcorp. These can only give me hard numbers. I need people's experiences

[weak tinsel]

100 to 200 gems per cluster of feynaline from my experience

[weak tinsel]

for trading use tools like uex corp
hauling missions pay good in pyro

[vivid obsidian]

How many gems does it take to equal one scu?

[weak tinsel]

no idea

around 1000

[vivid obsidian]

Preesh

[frigid jetty]

Heyo, how to switch the ATLS from High to Low power fracture mode?

[cobalt rivet]

any way to fix bugged cargo that won't detach from grid or show up on TDD?

[mild pumice]

Alt + 4 (not F4)

[mild pumice]

Nope, don't believe there is.

[weak tinsel]

Count the cargo as voided

[cobalt rivet]

there was 350k worth of refined minerals in there

[mild pumice]

If you blow up the ship maybe can recover some cargo, haven't tried soft death to see if that releases them

Given how much of a problem this was during supply or die I'm surprised they've not been able to nail down a fix.

[latent pasture]

how long does reputation take to update?

[candid zodiac]

im trying to hail magnus gateway so i can offload my hull-c's cargo but it just isnt giving me anywhere to offload it, what do i do?

[waxen coral]

does the ROC fit in the Zeus?

[vivid river]

Sometimes if a cargo is next to the locked one i can free it by picking up the other one though I've only done that to ones already on grid so no clue if it works with newly attached

[pastel sparrow]

Do the Stanton experienced hauling mission pay the same as the ones in pyro?

[reef smelt]

is selling in pyro for more money worth it or is it too risky?

[ripe grail]

So melted prospector for vulture, cause mining bad, what's good to go to get myself some salvage, I know panel's were slightly buffed up again

[waxen coral]

Is ROC mining bugged right now?

[brave birch]

Is any Mining working? cant seem to even get a scan on nodes.

[vivid river]

illegal salvo that pays you with the vult anything 8 - 13k you can eat whole, whilst the 24 and up you can only scrape

this is in stanton, havent done much/any in pyro

[analog grotto]

@brave birch @waxen coral
Planet based mineables in Stanton are broken across the majority of servers.
The only exception to this is the A&M Cave gems.

Space based mineables in Stanton should be fine.
Pyro should also be fine for both Planet and Space mineables, but I have seen varied reports of some servers still having issues in Pyro for planets.

[mild pumice]

I'd be surprised if anyone had levelled up to Experienced Rank in Pyro given the distances involved and time taken per mission it's just not time/productive

[analog grotto]

4.1.1 should, hopefully, be bringing a fix for Planet based mineables

[still field]

Has anyone tried to do Hull C cargo hauling missions since the latest patch? They seem to have changed up the routes, and I couldn't get Everus to Pyro Gateway to work.

[uneven frost]

i tryed today.. but i get the commencing cargo transfer and it just hangs a 0:00 at Everus

[tall karma]

Stick with magnus to terra

[uneven frost]

so not the big missions ?

does the 4499 scu from Terra to Pyro work ?

[floral spindle]

Usually don't mind solo big ships, but solo mole is pretty painful 😦

[uneven frost]

was able to get loaded at Terra

[ornate halo]

Oh, my poor Summer Child.

I wish this was the case, but I think this is the third patch since 3.20 that I've had this bug.

Until theyve confirmed a fix, don't expect it

[regal tide]

What does these names mean in my upper right corner?

[peak snow]

ooh, is the C working with commodities now?

[uneven frost]

@peak snow i was doing missions.. haven't tried commodities

[weak oyster]

I’m at 8mill away from hull c atm

[mild pumice]

finally found working minables lol. now I have to guess the charge level 😄

to be fair it's pretty easy to guess lol

must be an issue with the Geo - working on the ROC

[still field]

I completed Terra to Pyro successfully a few times a couple of days ago, but strangely, that mission wasn't available for me yesterday after the patch. I only saw Magnus to Terra and Everus to Pyro.

[restive saddle]

anyone currently looking for a mate?

im avalable for now

EU server if possible

@ me if you want to go in

[spare cloud]

There's #looking-for-session to look for mates 👍

[restive saddle]

gotcha

[mild pumice]

is 1000 units 1scu of the ROC/hand mineables?

ta

I got myself 700 from 3 clusters, would have been 1k if I didn't mine the first lot with the geo (blew up most of them due to the scan not working lol) The ROC seems like a better option anyway due to all the extra storage 🙂

[north quiver]

Does anyone have advice on where to start off with prospector mining? I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing lol

[ornate halo]

Just bring more boxes

[mild pumice]

It's a pain to keep changing them tbh, you can fit more in a backpack so it's actually faster just to move them into a 2scu crate via the backpack. The ROC can do 2 or 3 clusters before you have to unload it.

Getting into the Geo is annoying too, that long animation is borderline obnoxious

So to have to keep getting in and out to change boxes gets old fast.

Jumping around is hella fun though

[ornate halo]

I dunno- I found it quite fun when it worked. Bring an Aril backpack for its capacity- and just fill both up... then hop back,

[mild pumice]

Problem is I've done a dozen outings in the Geo now and something hasn't worked every time so that's kinda just given me a bad impression I guess. I know it's alpha blah blah but releasing broken ships time and time again gets old lol.

I need to dabble more with the ROC I think as I've not explored the different heads. The ROC though is just terrible over terrain so the Geo definitely has a big plus in traversal

[ornate halo]

Honestly, I could go to Pyro and make it work- but the event this cycle is in Stanton, and I'm stubborn (plus, I made enough money during Supply or Die I'm flush- its more for fun)

When its worked, its been very fun to me.....

[ornate halo]

Load up the Lancer with some 2 scu boxes, a container of Lux (and beer) and just stay on a planet. If the pool table actually worked, there'd be no reason to land again- well, that an cooking I guess

[still field]

You've actually been able to mine stuff from the hole? I feel like I need to join an org to be able to...

[lapis anchor]

Im about to collect some refined recourses how do i avoid the cargo bug

[ornate halo]

I've seen it work about half the time- and some of my org have gotten it all the time

[minor moon]

Why is my ship not a valid inventory?

[mild pumice]

Sometimes the drop down for your ship is another line, it could be another ship of have your name, you'll know its the correct one when you see the cargo grid the correct size

[vestal ravine]

On my last 3 trips with said Reclaimer lasering RMC or fracturing CM tops out at 10 scu until I empty the hopper. Started April 2nd or so. Repair not fixed it. Could not activate the self destruct process or crash it enough for a full claim. Anyone else see this problem- or a fix? Thanks

[minor moon]

I'm at Port Tressler trying to offload commodities I bought at an outpost (and took ages loading by hand, but the cargo isn't appearing regardess of which line I choose

[mild pumice]

Try the line with your name

You didn't let the station automatically store your ship did you?

[minor moon]

I stored it

[mild pumice]

You could try offloading by hand and see if they show up on the station inventory. Do PT definitely buy this commodity?

[minor moon]

Yes I checked the trade tools

And it's under the Local Market Value menu

[mild pumice]

Maybe the ship is bugged then, you might have to unload them to the freight elevator

Make sure you go to the hangar before you call the ship in case it gets eaten

I have a feeling your ship has been automatically stored at some point and the cargo grid is broken

[minor moon]

Retrieved ship, cargo still there

[mild pumice]

Can it be moved?

[minor moon]

The cargo?

[mild pumice]

(You might have to get inside because there can be sn invisible wall)

[mild pumice]

Yes

[mild pumice]

OK so at least that works. Honestly can't tell you why the station won't see the cargo grid. I'd recommend just sending it down the freight elevator.

[minor moon]

All 38 boxes lol

[mild pumice]

Well if you can't sell it the other way then I'm outta other ideas

[leaden monolith]

Have you tried to select the "Select Location" that appears once you click the "Select Location" drop down box.

It's not working in this screen shot as I'm at my home location but when I'm out trading this has worked for me.

[dusky raven]

where do you pick up cargo in Orbituary? the hangar freight elevators never have my cargo for some reason

[spare cloud]

That should be the right place. Is it contracted cargo ? If not, I'd try leaving the elevator a few minutes and changing server region

[dusky raven]

yea it was contracted, kept happening on every server i joined. maybe it's an Orbituary thing

[frigid jetty]

Hey, is there a list of ships in game with physical components? wanting to know what I can actually harvest when Im in my vulture

[weak oyster]

in numbers seemed it would fit but like this

[near swallow]

For hauling missions what you do is: Take the total amounts of each type of cargo and divide by the max container size. That tells you how many boxes of that size you would need to move. Then you check the pinned cargo grid chart for your ship, and you can calculate how many boxes of X size it can carry, on grid.

[spare cloud]

Even if the size were all weird I'm still struggling to understand how a 696 SCU ship can have off grid cargo with a 339 SCU hauling job

[spare cloud]

It's the first time I'm hearing about this and I haven't done hauling in Pyro myself so idk 🤷 You looked on the IC for similar reports ?

[near swallow]

Might not be the only job they have.

Also, not all Hercs are the same.

[spare cloud]

It's definitely a C2.

4 SCU high grid. M2 and A2 have 3 and 2 SCU high grids.

[weak oyster]

i had an ther one too

total of both 684

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah now it makes perfect sense

Big hauling job

[near swallow]

I learned about calculating load size early on, due to a mission where I had to take 2 trips to deliver everything.

[weak oyster]

but they fit

yea

[near swallow]

Yeah, and C2 has some extra space in it useful for off grid cargo, though you would have to keep it in mind while loading.

That aisle in the middle of the ship

[weak oyster]

there yea just left those in the back

[near swallow]

I have however had issues at times trying to put cargo on top of other boxes in the C2. The ceiling interfered.

[weak oyster]

seems i need one more contract lol

[mild pumice]

I've stacked two of those and got it mostly on grid.

It was a long mission though lol

[weak oyster]

it had a lot of small ones 4su

[mild pumice]

Yeah it's annoying when you get a lot of odd numbers

Like 111 scu, just make it 112 ffs lol

I'm sure the mission designers like to prank us

[near swallow]

The numbers are randomly generated within a range defined by the type of job.

[weak oyster]

got to senior now

[silent island]

Successfully completed a 120 SCU run in a RAFT

1 SCU containers can fit on the elevator, after that it’s just loading them into the halls & such

[weak oyster]

@mild pumice around to make 600k per full ship now right at senior

[uneven frost]

ya.. it seems to be missing for me today to...

[dusky raven]

No I'm working, I might look later

[vagrant marten]

Is the Hull C working reliably in 4.1? Thinking about buying one over a C2

[mild pumice]

Hull C is still 50/50

When it does work it's usually not without having to mess around such as loading/unloading multiple times until it successfully completes

Currently a C2 is a whole lot more useful in game

[rocky niche]

any workaround to Hull C commencing cargo transfer stuck on 00:00?

[mild pumice]

You can try cancelling and requesting cargo ATC again, you might need to wait for the clock to run down but as above Hull C loop is still very much 50/50

[weak oyster]

hmm two contracts but together its coming at 733 su 37 more than cappacity of c2

[mild pumice]

You should be able to squeeze them in there's enough for 4x16 off grid between the middle and rear grids

You can slide the 2s and 4s in the sides

(4s on their side)

[astral pelican]

so is mining a thing again or should i stick to salvage

and if i do decied to do mining should i still go with the prospector or the golem

[mild pumice]

I prefer to do these just 1 mission in the Caterpillar, takes around 40 mins and it took me almost twice as long to do a two stack in the C2 just with the extra loading time

[astral pelican]

should i just pledge for a mining ship or just buy one in game?

i guess i could always trade in my vulture and do mining

[vestal ravine]

https://youtu.be/q17OpV6We1A?si=eJM73pOHB1k6TV5g

[uneven frost]

@rocky niche if your at Everus Harbor.. it does that to me to... havent found anything that works

[mild pumice]

Use your Vulture to earn the credits for a Prospector unless you have something you could CCU to a Golem.

[weak oyster]

huh went all of its things it didnt auto complete itself

[long fern]

How do you add cargo from a station to a HULL C?

[burnt flame]

don't use hull c rn it's cooked

[long fern]

dang it

[uneven frost]

i dont think you can add cargo from your inventory.. you can buy stuff and set the storage location to the hull c... then you have to go to the cargo loading box and have it auto loaded

[burnt flame]

the auto loading is the bugged part

you invest like 2 mil and loose it all to a bug

[uneven frost]

thats why im not investing anything.. doing missions

[burnt flame]

yea i lost all my money

It was workin yesterday

then freaked out today

[night bronze]

just finished up a smooth hauling stack in the taurus. ~45 min. 500k! doing some light fighter shopping now..

[fallen osprey]

Hey yall, whats the key bind for opening the doors of your ship?

and closing ther doors

[night bronze]

you should be able to bind to anything you want. mine is ;

toggles all door to open/close

[fallen osprey]

Ah I got it. I will set mine to the same

thank you much

[fallen osprey]

Well guess I am not gonna sell my Titanium to New babage lol

turns out they wont open up the space port lol

(hangar isnt responding) Guess those DUI air traffic controllers arent just for the US... probally some bloks from Pyro in there hittin the beer hard

or what drugs are there in this game again?

[uneven frost]

Slam ?

[waxen coral]

Is ground mining still bugged?

[fossil scaffold]

Does off-grid RMC stay after a bed log?

[warm totem]

depends - worked then didn't so it's def still hit or miss

[tropic flume]

What mining modules are people using for the Golem?

[reef smelt]

how do you prevent your head from bobbing when calibrating a mining gadget?

[knotty dove]

does autoloading for ships in hangars work or is it bugged?

[mild pumice]

ships must be stored to use autoload, suggest storing manually (not letting them be stored automatically) to avoid cargo getting lucked to the grid. Still the loading/unloading can fail sometimes and you can encounter other bugs like not being able to select you cargo grid on the trade terminal.

[knotty dove]

So manual loading is much safer

[mild pumice]

Manual is safer but nothing in this game is 100% reliable

[cobalt rivet]

if for any reason your ship gets auto stored while it has cargo, chances of bugging the cargo goes up

learned that the hard way

[mild pumice]

Yeah all mine supply or die salvage got bugged and stuck on my Caterpillar after a 30k lol

First I was like yay my ship was saved then sadge lol

And to add insult to injury it had sent my ship all the way from Ruin back to Orison so I had a long trip to my disappointment

[regal tide]

Are the surface rocks mineable again in Stanton?

[cobalt rivet]

It's the CIG 30% tariff on cargo

[cobalt rivet]

Honestly, its faster to mine asteroid belts. You don't have to do too many jumps

I've ran across so many rich rocks that I couldn't crack

[leaden monolith]

With auto -loading always store your ship manually from the ASOP in your hangar and wait for the lights to come back on in the hangar before leaving. At the trade terminal the ship you're trying to load cargo onto will almost definitely not be the one you need to select. In the trade terminal window after selecting the ship drop down menu click on all possible options (including the second "select ...") in the menu until you see the cargo grid for your ship. Then buy the cargo. DO NOT retrieve your ship from the station ASOP do it in your hangar. Follow the storing steps when going to sell as well.

Using the above I have had zero, nada, zilch problems with auto-loading. My caveat is that I'm only trading station - station or major city. I still don't trust outposts.

[knotty dove]

quick questin how do you guys unload Reclaimer?

[spare cloud]

You can print only 4SCU boxes and drop them easily through the rear small opening.
Or you can go with 16 SCU containers. They can also fit through that rear opening but there's like 5 millimetres of clearance and it's a pain to get them out.
Or 16 SCU containers though the main elevator, which is also a pain.
I believe the 4SCU way is the easiest, but that's a lot more boxes to move around.

[knotty dove]

thanks will try Reclaimer gameloop. i know that RMC is worth like 6 times more than CM, but is it worth going for RMC with ship like Reclaimer

[uneven frost]

just do 16 and drop them down the hole like this.. there maybe some concerning sounds.. but just keep tossing them down.. once your done one or two might be suck.. just go close the door and they will come out

[knotty dove]

thanks

[uneven frost]

make sure they go down like that.. if they hit one side and start to go down longways.. pick it back up and straighten it out

[knotty dove]

@uneven frost is CM worth it with reclaimer?

[uneven frost]

when i was running my reclamer thats all i did... scraping takes a lot longer.. espcially if you dont have a second person.

i would take the unverified salvage missions for larger ships. Caterpillars, Starfarer, hammer heads.. just go in.. grind up the ship ( CM ) then leave.. whit the ships i listed your usually full in one ship.. then i would quantom to dead space and go stack boxes.. after 3 or 4 ships i would go back to town to sell

but the ports where your Reclamer can land in Stanton are limited.. and usually those places are full on CM.. so you might have to stand at the terminal a while to get it all sold.. or if you want.. you can transfer to a hauler and find a station thats not full on CM, but that takes time to load, fly and sell. but you can sell directly from your ship.. but only the stuff thats attached to the grid

[knotty dove]

should i bother with checking cargo bays?

[uneven frost]

i didnt check to many.. but the ones i did.. didnt have cargo on the unverified missions

[frigid jetty]

Hey* folks, me and a friend were trying to tow a Hammerhead into quantum, both of us in an SRV - couldnt get it to work

Anyone know how or even if its possible?

[spare cloud]

Yup, S5 ship

SRV can only consistently tow S4 ships and smaller

[frigid jetty]

But even with multiple you cant tow bigger?

Becuase I remember that being mentioned in the past

[spare cloud]

I don't believe multiple SRV works yet.

[frigid jetty]

darn

[spare cloud]

Tho even if the SRV can't tow S5+ ships, it should still give a bit of inertia to the ship when it jumps away, enough to move it a few kilometers.

At least it used to when it first came out.

Whatever, if the goal was just to move it a few kilometers, do it without QTing

[frigid jetty]

Well the idea was to have a group in a distortion equipped hammerhead and do ERTs, and 2 people bring the disabled ships to where we will setup with vultures

with ERTs being all over place was hoping to bring them all into 1 spot

original idea was to go aboard the disabled ships then fly them to the salvage location, but iirc the re-powering time is around 30 minutes

[spare cloud]

It's 5 minutes

All power plants no matter the size need ~300 seconds to reboot. 5 minutes.

Also distortion weapons are very inefficient at taking shields down, so it won't be an easy task even with a HH.
Way easier to soft kill the ships with a stock HH.

[frigid jetty]

Yeah all but rear turrets will have 2 stock laser repeaters, and 2 distortion scatterguns (the ones looted from Orbituary CZ)

[spare cloud]

Scatterguns are extremely unpractical. You need to keep your targets within 800m to land your shots and do anything meaningful

Ask in #flight-combat-racing for more about what's best to take ships down. I personally recommend you stick with full CF weapons.

[frigid jetty]

But the plan isnt to destroy or soft death the target

[spare cloud]

You wanna salvage them right ? You lose nothing at soft killed your targets.

[frigid jetty]

We want to setup a salvaging area with group of vultures and caterpiller, and combat side of org will bring them to the salvage area

Less downtime with travelling if they can continue munching

[spare cloud]

Yeah, you only gain efficiency by soft killing your targets

No downside for the salvage part

[frigid jetty]

but its bringing the ERT targets to the salvage area, soft killed and they wont be transportable

[spare cloud]

Isn't it simpler to salvage them on site ? Or do you really want to move them around ?

[frigid jetty]

We can salvage on site, but then its the vultures and caterpiller moving to the salvage site and getting into position and repeating

and hull scraping is a long process already, so more time spent hull scraping and less time moving around means more RMC

[uneven frost]

seems magnus is now bugged like Everus is for Hull C's... Commencing Cargo Transfer.. but timer stuck at 0:00 and no cargo movement...

[uneven frost]

well.. i got it to start.. but only after my ship was soft inpounded... i waited in the square will commencing cargo.. then got teleported into the station.. and ship was stored.. recalled ship but some of the cargo was missing (visibly).. when back to square and it started unloading.. also some cargo was stuck to my grid that wouldnt unload

[weak oyster]

so hmm should wait for getting the hull c thne huh

[uneven frost]

well.. over the past 3 days ive made a bit of uec... prob 10m.. but yes there were bugs to deal with

[naive vine]

whats the method of finding ROC minables?

[weak oyster]

im at 5mill away from the Hull C atm

[nocturne rune]

Hull C worth it?

[mild pumice]

Honestly no but there's some 700k hauling missions you can do with it which is nice money for low risk when it works!

[weak oyster]

thats what ive been thinking id make my money back but theres the risk of it not working xd

[grand frigate]

Did some cargo missions around Crusader and had to deliver to Brio.
When i putted my cargo on the elevator grid, everything disappeared and lost the cargo, thankfully it was the last destination so i just submited the mission
Seems same at Samson & son , other planetary elevator worked for me.
Does anyone have info on this ?

[mild pumice]

Was the cargo stored when the freight elevator reset itself? I.e, could you bring it up and send it back down?

[grand frigate]

No, the moment i interacted with the computer i saw there was nothing left and boxes disappeared even before i send elevator down. Nothing in warehouse too

[knotty dove]

similar thing happened to me placed cargo on grid then it disappeared when i interacted with console, but it was in locations inventory

however it was bought cargo

[grand frigate]

RIP

[vestal seal]

is specifically going for quant worth it in this patch or should i go for a range of ores? Its been a while since ive played

[drifting oxide]

Is the C1+Mech > Taurus+Mech for Hauling?

[hardy mesa]

I just got for a range of ores if planet mining worked quant would be best but as is its faster to just grab and go

[vestal seal]

okay cool would you say its more profitable than cargo runs or salvage cause ive made about 3mil off cargo from a rented freelancer max and trying to see what ship would be best to buy next

[hardy mesa]

Stacking cargo jobs is still the best salvage has fallen off due to the unloading process and it really depends i like the starlancer but the free max would be easier to solo load and unload

Buying ships is all preference to what you want and can handle

[vestal seal]

okay cool ive just been torn between the prospector, vulture, some cargo ship, or saving for a mole as i have a friend i play with normally

[hardy mesa]

Mole is the best if you have a friend but be prepared to move alot if your solo
Vulture is the most relaxing but lowest income
And the prospector is a good middle ground if your running a golem it's the same capacity just an fyi

[vestal seal]

would of liked to get a golem but not looking to spend much money on this game beside the initial aurura

[rich siren]

to be fair you can get the prospector up to a pretty obnoxious amount of SCU storage playing with the bags lol

cant do that with the golem

[teal stream]

anyone know any resources to fidn the fastest way to rep with junior hauling

[hoary hinge]

stacking multiple jobs at once; IIRC from city to station at both Arccorp and Hurston is a good way to do this

[teal stream]

the one with multiple deliveries?

[hoary hinge]

No, you take like 6 small direct ones from ground to orbit, and run them all at once, then take one small or medium back down to the city

[teal stream]

like this?

[hoary hinge]

No
From city straight to orbital

And that's not a direct
Maybe Hurston doesn't have them

[teal stream]

I found one from city to station but theres only one, do I just wait for it so I can stack up?

[vestal seal]

What i do is start at baijini point and accept the 5-6 rookie mission there are which all go to area18 then pick up 1 mission 1 or 2 missions depending on the ship back to baijini

id rent a taurus or freelancer max for sure if you dont have anything better

[hoary hinge]

cries in Carrack
Such a nice ship in theory, such a PITA in-game

[regal tide]

Will this game actually be a hardcore space game that actually needs industrialist and engineers or will they Pander to the masses and make it easy?

[hoary hinge]

can you elaborate?

[regal tide]

Example what they did with Item recovery. which makes Medical game play pointless

[hoary hinge]

you are examining the game in an unfinished state; I dislike some aspects of T0 item recovery, but it's not fair to examine the top speed for a car before the wheels are attached.

Engineering will have a massive impact on how we run large ships.
Currently we treat ships as highly disposabe, but once we have engineering and repair, CIG's vision is that you would rather repair your ship after its been soft-deathed than that you'd claim it. Engineering will also add a lot of complexity to how we fly.

[knotty dove]

nah only way CIG can make us prefere fixing ship over claiming is longer claim timers but this is double edged sword considering ship spawning can bug out thus forcing you to claim it

[hoary hinge]

And that's why cheap insurance is as it is - it's a concession for their buggy game
As they fix more things, we will have need to claim ships for bullshit reasons more regularly, an they will be able to implement insurance & warranty the way they've described it to us

[regal tide]

Cargo is broken AGAIN can't use the Ats at least to move boxes unless I first pull them out

[mild pumice]

is that the old invisible wall in cargo elevators? I saw that's still a thing

[regal tide]

The Alts just can't lock on to any Cargo that is on the grid unless I pull them off first

[lament ember]

Try the turn off engines before power off trick, works for me

[regal tide]

what i'm not sure about that trick the ship is completely turned off

[mild pumice]

Just submitted this and it's stuck processing order, am I screwed?

Just getting this now, does it ever go through?

First and last time trying the auto trading in 4.x lol

[mild pumice]

Took the hit on it and just sold it at Orison (unloaded manually to my XL hangar) at least I got my money back lol

[rocky niche]

is using the Hull C with experienced rank hauling contracts a good way to make 15 mil in a day or two?

[mild pumice]

It depends how lucky you are with the Hull C, you can encounter one or more of about a dozen bugs so the loop can fall down easy

But when in works 700k in <20mins is nice lol

[teal stream]

help cargo hauling mission I staccked turned into regular commodity, I wasted soo much time, why did this happen

[spare cloud]

Wdym turned into regular commodity ?

[teal stream]

6 stacks of mission bricked cause it can't tell the difference between different missions with the same commodity

stupid game really likes to waste my time

[spare cloud]

Stack them in a way you can tell the difference, or if you can't, send it all down the freight elevator, what's not counted should be cargo that's for an other destination

[sharp swift]

Someone recently made a tool called Hauling Companion, you could probably enjoy that for keeping track of what goes where and efficient route making

[teal stream]

its a 6 location stack pick up all headed for everus. sent them all down cause theyre all for everus

i specifically chose 1 destination for i didnt have to keep track which is which

sigh

[spare cloud]

Aight, so what's the problem with not telling the difference?

You mentioned that

If it's not taking some of the cargo, bring it back up and down again.

[mild pumice]

@teal stream was the pickup from one or multiple locations? I've been finding the mission that pickup from multiple sites and drop at one bug out and only deliver one of the collections

Once the cargo is bugged it acts like a regular commodity, I have a bunch of waste that did this

[teal stream]

multiple hdms all have overlap of iron,

[teal stream]

this what happened

[mild pumice]

Yeah it's been an issue for me since 4.1 I've just been avoiding them now. Collection from one location that delivers to multiple seems fine tho

There should be an IC for it I'm pretty sure I contributed to one

[teal stream]

ill avoid them in the future. very time expensive lesson for sure

[mild pumice]

Yeah that's the way it goes sadly some days

[craggy tapir]

i saw someone saying that the abrades got nerfed

is this true and are trawler better now?

[undone ridge]

is quantum fuel bug fixxed yet? i hate having to store and take my ship out on every cargo haul mission

[weak tinsel]

test it, it sticks per ship and each claim of the ship can fix it
your fuel is displayed top left when in QT mode, when warping away from a POI lets say a L station the capacity will suddenly update
if you had lets say 1/2 your tank and you warp away after only refueling without any additional hassle and you watch your fuel marker if it just glides along nicely then all good, when after a short amount of travel it dips then cancel QT and go back
i had it broken for my MOLE for a moment but claiming it fresh seems to have fixed it

[undone ridge]

completely missed the question....but going by that im guessing it hasnt been fixxed yet

[warm totem]

Same as any ship minable, scan and hope they become active once you find them. So far I have been doing alot of Prospector mining and saw lots of ROC minable stuff mostly near shubin locations on lyria. If you scan them and they are not becoming active to mine them you can try switching servers until the rocks work - but just be warned you'll have to go find more to check to see if they are interactive each time. Once you find a server stay on it if you can. For me the ASIA server region was working. Also I ping with the mining head (fracture) active this seems to help when approaching. One last note when you return to refine, store the ship as per usual. Afterwards check to see if you still have a hangar available - if so go to it and then call your ship. If you call it from the lobby kiosks it might be destroyed - and IF it is - before you CLAIM it try logging out and back in otherwise you'll have claim time to deal with.

[naive vine]

Whats the tell tail for the roc minables or do u have to go to every ping and just find out

[warm totem]

they usually spawn in at about 3-4 out any greater distance is probably somethign for a prospector or a mole

for a prospector 8-11 seems about right but usually has a few impossibles in there.

[weak tinsel]

yeah if a ping appears below 5km its most likely gems

[weak tinsel]

idk if its been fixed globally but this is a simple way to see

[mild pumice]

There's a few ICs one is marked fixed for 4.1.1 so hopefully in the next patch.

[warm totem]

The fuel bug, the ship getting called up with cargo destroyed, and minables not actually minable are 3 huge things the profession NEEDS fixed for QOL - I hope they fix those ASAP! They have to know its happening - I hope they can figure out why and correct it soon!

It would also be really nice if the prices would suddenly spike for certain things and then go back to normal - like aluminum. We get so much of it as a by product and then lots of people don't refine it - which should cause a low supply. That would make us all horders for price fluctuations, which could be interesting.

Wouldn't it be cool to know that miners were affecting prices in the verse for commodities?

[lament ember]

Yes, but the point is: you land, you turn off engines ("I"), check that fuel bars show 0% (means engines off) and only then you Power off ("U").

Has to do something with ship state. System might think that ship is still "active" after you power off directly and will prevent your ATLS from interacting with the boxes using ATLS.

[craggy tapir]

i saw someone saying that the abrades got nerfed

this true?

[mild pumice]

In evo or 4.1? Scrape rates have been less across the board since 4.1 but abrades still seem to be the best option right now.

They're constantly messing around balancing salvage, it works, just leave it alone and focus on all the broken cargo and mining loops lol.

[regal tide]

This is refined ore which the ship is coming up from the lift it's not even on. I will try this next time.

[mild pumice]

yay. worked this time, picked up the goods for just over a mil in Pyro so around 450k profit 📈

[teal stream]

nice, what route is this

[mild pumice]

Heph from Rod's to either Mic L4 or L5 (can't do Cru 4 because it's got no docking ports) but they all pay the same so you could do Cru L4 in a C2 for example

There are some better Pyro to Stanton routes but I didn't really want to invest over a mil

[nocturne rune]

whats the issue?
i tried having the hull c on a pad and having it stored

both show this

when trying to sell

[undone ridge]

no idea, maybe its because the game has more bugs in it than themovie a bugs life

[mild pumice]

@nocturne rune where are you? (What station)

[nocturne rune]

Cru L1

[mild pumice]

You can't use the Hull C to trade here

[nocturne rune]

it shows on uex, where can i go

[mild pumice]

Only the 3 Jump Points and 4 LEOs

Not for the Hull C

The Hull C can only load/unload at the above

[nocturne rune]

wtf then uex is really ass

[mild pumice]

Well it's showing you surface outposts too, it can't even land with spindles open. It's obvious not setup to know about Hull C loading

[nocturne rune]

which stations work then? all jump points and what are LEOs?

[mild pumice]

The only places are, Stanton/Pyro Gateway, Terra/Magnus Gateway, Everus, Tressler, Seraphim and Baijini

These all have the special docking areas for Hull C

[nocturne rune]

okayyy

how do i unload there? dock and store?

Or fly in that unloading box

[mild pumice]

You have to unload in the blue box yeah, after you've made the transaction at the kiosk

[nocturne rune]

i can do the transaction while its stored?

[mild pumice]

Yes or you can leave it on the docking collar if you're quick

[knotty dove]

Dont worry not like CIG made trading with Hull C painful

[nocturne rune]

okay thank you

what are the most efficient rountes then?

got any on your mind?

[mild pumice]

Just stick to routes that go via the stations I mentioned, you can also do the haulage missions to/from those locations without investing your own money and without going to the Kiosk

[knotty dove]

Assuming Hull C works

[mild pumice]

For haulage missions you just turn up and request cargo ATC

[mild pumice]

Same applies to trading lol

[nocturne rune]

how much pay?

[mild pumice]

Up to 700k at experienced rank

[knotty dove]

Personal experiences say trading works more

[mild pumice]

There's quite a few around 250k are less cargo so don't make the Hull C fly like a brick lol

[mild pumice]

I've not had any Hull C hauls completely fail recently but they're short 75% of the time but you can still submit for part payment as long as the cargo shows as delivered

[knotty dove]

I lost my hull c becouse it was loaner so i cannot say atm

[mild pumice]

My goto route though is the senior rank Hur 1/2/3/4 325k in a Caterpillar, take around 45mins (I know you can even more p/h) but for the rep it's my goto

[nocturne rune]

why do they not wnana give me money

wtf

[knotty dove]

I simply Use Cat or SL MAX and trade with gold or fresh food

[mild pumice]

No demand, wait more

[nocturne rune]

ough

[nocturne rune]

can i go somewhere else

any good spots?
idk websites for that

[mild pumice]

Just want 5 to 15 mins for it to refresh

The reason it says 0 is because the demand is <32scu (your smallest container) just FYI

[nocturne rune]

okayyy

tyyy

[near swallow]

I've heard that at least some stations only accept medical supplies in relatively small bunches, or something like that. You could try doing a search for Hull C and medical supplies.

[nocturne rune]

yea im waiting for now, im already able to sell 7/8

waiting to sell 8/8 and then head out

will try this next

[naive vine]

Make sure to select "Load dock"

[nocturne rune]

how does that work then

cause i requested

flew in the box but didnt get any contracts

[mild pumice]

You have to take the hauling mission first, check mobi and make sure the locations in the mission are compatible with the Hull C

[nocturne rune]

so basically any hauling mission

with those points

okay

[mild pumice]

Yep. The interstellar ones are usually a safe bet

Some of the direct solar go between LEOs too. Note I've never tested a mission with the Hull C that goes to multiple locations

[olive gull]

Noob Q: what's best laser for Golem?

[mild pumice]

It has a bespoke laser, you can't change it, it does however have two module slots

[nocturne rune]

it doesnt change the time

it stays like that

what do i do

[mild pumice]

Sometimes it just fails, or you need to attempt loading/unloading again. The Hull C is a bit of a pain to honest

[nocturne rune]

hmmm

alright

my hull c just randomly despawned

[mild pumice]

Welcome to Hull C life

[nocturne rune]

okay so I just bought 1.4m in cargo and then i accidentally left the server (i was pissed the loading didnt work) so i switched but now i have to claim my ship again (the cargo wasnt loaded yet)
are the 1.4m gone or can i just load it onto the new hull c on the new server

[mild pumice]

if the cargo wasn't loaded then you forfeited it. (one of the reasons I will not Hull C trade)

which includes a failed load

[nocturne rune]

forfeited? what does that mean

so its gone?

[mild pumice]

it means you failed to collect it

so yeah it's gone

[nocturne rune]

this stupid fucking game

this is such a shithole

they really have to get their FUCKING priorities straight

omfg

[mild pumice]

the Hull C is pain, we did try to tell you!

[nocturne rune]

i've heard like 3 bad votes and 20 good ones so far

[mild pumice]

that's why I would never invest anything with that ship I'm not prepared to lose

[nocturne rune]

why the fuck dont they give u the money back when it fails

like what the fuck

"hmmm you didnt get the cargo, well just keep the money then"

what the fuck is this

[mild pumice]

yep it's a bad system, the Hull C issues are all well documented, it hasn't really changed since it was releasad tbh

[nocturne rune]

sorry but what the fuck are they even good at

[mild pumice]

I have a feeling it's kinda been abandonded whilst they figure out a better way to do it

[nocturne rune]

just remove it at that point tbh

[mild pumice]

well the game is still in development, whilst I wont make excuses for the state of the Hull C I will say that what can help is updating any ICs with your steps to reproduce the issue and you can give feedback on Spectrum too.

[near swallow]

There have been fixes made (or attempted) for the Hull C and it's issues. That doesn't mean they are all fixed though, especially since new issues can pop up with any update.

I think the best way to use a Hull C is via hauling missions. Any missions that do not work at all (aka you can't deliver any of the cargo) you can let auto-fail when you log out. That said, I don't know for sure how well the Hull C is working on the current hotfix.

There is a Youtuber who has been doing a bunch of Hull C testing named Captain Deadwake, and his most recent video (via the description) seems to indicate the Hull C's gotten worse a bit during 4.1 and it's hotfixes. Haven't watched the video yet myself though. (I don't have a Hull C.)

[mild pumice]

this is annoying, 4x in a row the main body of the starfarer despawns after to fracture 😦

[warm totem]

so I claimed my refined orders to my taurus - its empty. Went back to refinery orders are gone - the question is did I just lose all of my refined orders? I do not see it in the cargo area/inventory either - yikes 3 days of work!

any advice besides just stop trying, lol? I did see they are working on the surface minables and may release a hotfix in the next couple of days but that wouldn't address this...

[spare cloud]

Store and retrieve the Taurus until cargo is there

[stable osprey]

Is the RAFT any good?

[spare cloud]

-# ||no||

[mild pumice]

I think the RAFT is a good ship, from a design point of view it's one of the nicest interiors however it suffers from being a role focused ship with many multi roles ships that are significantly better choices right now. It still lacks its tractor station and the benefits of the exterior loading have no real content that takes advantage, for example most medium hauling missions are over 100scu so it's immediately ruled out.

[near swallow]

Seems like that might be a side effect of fixes they've tried to do where two physics objects are clipping into each other? May be ship specific, and you should do an IC if you haven't already.

[mild pumice]

Yeah I've grabbed the evidence will have a look if I get time tomorrow on IC

[teal stream]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/s/mkdWOy9o06

[warm totem]

thanks I will report back good news if this works!

I did also check assets, when looking into the taurus it just kept spinning so its making me think its in there!

Its there, all of it - thanks for the hopium and glad to see that worked!

[near swallow]

That particular bug has been around since 4.0 Preview.

Fortunately it's easy to workaround.

[last karma]

Loading 8/16/32 scu boxes it’s great. Loading 1/2/4 boxes it’s terrible

[vivid obsidian]

So I took down an AI cat and it's FULL of some boxes called carryable_tbo_fl_16sc_u_commodity_metal_iron

Is....this just iron? Why the complex name?? What IS this stuff?

[teal stream]

can I share my contract and still get full rep for hauling?

[hoary hinge]

on any shared contract everyone gets full rep, but pay is split evenly

[teal stream]

thas good to know very good to know I'm trying that on hauling

[regal tide]

I hope they update the loaner ship for the pioneer if another building ship is getting released before which is probably most likely.

[next cloak]

how much can u make an hour with a vulture?

[weak tinsel]

I have seen ppl say between 250-500

I'm guessing depends on what you scrap
But it seems to be on the higher end

[mild pumice]

yeah that's about on point I'd say, a full load around 39scu is around 400k depending on where you sell and panels it takes me around 40mins or so to scrape that so give or take some time to offload/sell/eat/shit/etc sounds about right

[next cloak]

thats not bad, whats the best industrial profession rn for money/hr?

[tame mortar]

Can somebody give me the top turret from the hornet A mk II for my hornet mk II I pay for it ofc

[weak tinsel]

Not the correct channel and afaik that method seems broken and will void it

[weak tinsel]

Hauling and with this either missions or trade where missions seem easier done

[tame mortar]

how to get the turret then im sorry for wrong channel im new on this server

[weak tinsel]

No idea tbh #flight-combat-racing or #helpdesk might be a better place

[weak tinsel]

Mining if lucky can be a lot but its rng of what will a rock spawn with
But I can make a steady 300-500 per haul depending how lazy I am and that is roughly and hour if you remove the refinery wait times that are 12 to 30 hours
If you feeling funky you can wait over 60

[mild pumice]

the industrial loops are pretty well balanced now (IMHO), earnings are similar the only real yard stick now is skill to make more/less.

and a little bit of luck too 😉

SC can still take 2hrs of your time and say FU

[vestal ravine]

Yea the doors to Heartbreak Hotel can always open wide to you.

Like I had a new wrinkle last night. Me and a friend used 2 Vultures on my new Polaris. I loaded in some 37 crates but at the TDD Orison it said I had 58 crates that were stolen and blocked the sale. So now I try the ships owner.

[coarse ember]

i learned very quick not to get attached to my cargo or mineables in 22.1 when i only had 16gb and it would constantly stutter and crash i would pray like someone on their deathbed that client recovery worked and it would put me back in my seat

[mild pumice]

During supply or die I took 300scu of goods all the way to Pyro only for the shard to die when I arrived. Ship was stored in Stanton again and cargo now locked to the grid. You just gotta laugh tbh lol

[vestal ravine]

58 crates sold okay once transferred over. Guess I had some extra I forgot about.

[floral spindle]

I honestly feel like I make ridiculously more money doing hauling contracts compared to other industrial... but it's balanced by the fact that my hauling missions can break at any moment

Mining and salvage are pretty chill, but I never feel like I'm getting anywhere close to my hauling numbers. One round trip pushes 500-600k usually.

[mild pumice]

as long as numbers going up I'm happy tbh lol

[floral spindle]

Same 👍

[mild pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[floral spindle]

I only mention it as I would much rather spend my time salvaging than chucking boxes, and sometimes just take the loss and do it anyway lol

Granted it's hauling in a taurus versus salvage in a vulture, so it may not be a fair comparison 🤔

Big price tag difference between the two.

[grand frigate]

What do the colors means on commodities on uex website ?

[weak tinsel]

dont remember colors
some commodity might be like "minable only" o cant buy in any shop
some are marked as buyable
and i assume red = illegal so like drugs etc

[weak tinsel]

well you are comparing 170whatever SCU of cargo space to like 20? for the vulture
and a mole with 96 scu of ore can be compared imo but it ends up either a little low or on pair

[floral spindle]

Yeah, that's more what I was getting at. Might pick up a rec and see if I can make a fair comparison then.

Personally can't get into solo mole.

[weak tinsel]

I just dont have friends who wanna mine so i do it solo
Its fine imo and i find running up and down less of a hustle than constant 32scu runs of the prospector

[floral spindle]

I think I wouldn't mind solo mole so much if

1. The ladder thing was gone (where you get off the ladder, then get teleported back to the ladder)
2. From the pilot seat in mining mode you could get the mining information on your current target.

That way I at least didn't fly up to something, then have to climb downstairs to find a clearly impossible asteroid in front of me 😅

[left zenith]

You can get the asteroid information in mining mode from the pilot seat currently.

[floral spindle]

At least for me, I was not getting the asteroid info.
Might give it another try 🤔

[left zenith]

Yep. Might be the asteroids. Sometimes you need to give it a few or fly off and back.

You can otherwise reliably get the asteroid information from the pilot seat.

[waxen lotus]

Mining on surface works now ?

[weak tinsel]

Judging by #general-news it has a good chance to
I didnt check yet if it work in Stanton, but it has been working in Pyro for the most part

[waxen lotus]

Ok thanks !

[vital thicket]

ok so is there a work around for the hull C unloading glitchy mess thingy (acts like theres something near me or im moving or something)

[floral spindle]

Heard great things about pyro, not heard anything about Stanton yet.

Stanton I still just stick to asteroids tbh

Were people finding surface mining to be more profitable than asteroid mining?

I'm surprised how often I'm hearing about surface mining since the break, though asteroids were the place to be.

[weak tinsel]

Surfuce mining is much nicer imo
cluster spawn with a range of rock masses, so always something to mine by any ship, and for a mole you find one and you are full
asteroid mining has never been good for me, most of the time i find tiny less than 1k rocks

[olive gull]

Q: is Abrade still the best for Vulture?

[sullen sentinel]

Yes

[olive gull]

thank you

[hallow lark]

What is the highest contract in salvaging and clean up?

[mild pumice]

The biggest cleanup is the Starfarer or Hammerhead, they don't pay much, maybe 23k. You do it for the salvage though. Note the Starfarer one is bugged, the main body can't be scraped and despawns when you fracture, you only get like 33scu of CMs

I've not levelled up the legal ones recently because the buy in seems too high tbh

Also haven't tested the Pyro ones.

[wind gazelle]

Directed here from help channel, my hull C keeps spawning at docking port and i keep getting a black screen. I cant seem to get it to spawn in a hangar instead of at the docking port. any advice appreciated.

[craggy tapir]

WAIT WAIT

I just saw the wave 1 patchnotes

Ships and Vehicles

• Argo Raft Cargo Improvements
  • The 3 arms of the RAFT has been retired in favour of a single grid that supports 192 SCU cargo capacity instead of the previous 96 SCU.

DID THE RAFT BECOME THE CARGO GOAT?!

[analog grotto]

I rented one to try it out because I was tired off gridding more than 46scu in my cutty and wanted to see how the external cargo grid life was. Really enjoyed it.
Doubling the storage is incredible and will likely make me buy one in-game now.

[vivid river]

when are we supposed to get front weapons back to the cockpit again?

[craggy tapir]

Wdym?

You can attack s1

They ain't stock

[vivid river]

i remember in a note somewhere CIG was giving the pilot some guns in a few ship to include the reclaimer but i wasnt able to shoot

[craggy tapir]

You get the top turret

[vivid river]

still wasnt firing :/

[craggy tapir]

I think you gotta give power to weapon systems

[vivid river]

it did -_-

[craggy tapir]

Hm

Imma rent it tomorrow and test

[vivid river]

no shots

... know what i had my qt on

does that still stop me being able to fire?

[wind gazelle]

yes, no guns in nav mode

[vivid river]

.-. i see

welp i already logged out so :/ rip that salvo

i was gettin jumped by this random npc that popped from nowhere in pyro

[wind gazelle]

Probably somebody accepted a bounty contract somewhere and that NPC spawned in for them

[royal hamlet]

I can’t wait to use the Raft again.

[thorny lodge]

i bought a raft

it's raft o'clock

[woeful berry]

Hello guys, I'm new here. I've been in and out for a couple of years and now feel is the time to give the game more time. I want to try my hand at mining. I read about the convo cutlass+roc to start something not that noob, is ok? I'm currently saving money to buy those vehicles. What else do I need to start a mining operation? Can I do it by hand for now? Totally new here.

[wind gazelle]

Any Hull C pilots know why i keep missing cargo on contracts? Doing Terra gateway to magnus, i wait in area completely still until blue box comes back, last contract missing 50SCU and lost 100k of reward

[uneven frost]

ya.. its know and reported

at least i thought it was.. cant find it right now..

[tall karma]

Its just the way the cargo loads. Normally there's a non-32 SCU box or two that get loaded before the rest of the 32SCU boxes and that screws it all up, so you don't get them all.

You can still submit for a lot of payment and good rep anyway. Just gotta have 50% delivered or better

[fathom ledge]

how people liking RAFT now?

[elfin rune]

192 scu and a Wide open grid. And cool argo style and interior

[mild pumice]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFT

and a tractor beam as well I think

[slate spruce]

I really, really hope that the grid is 8x12x2, and not some stupid 8x8x3. Then it'd be the most awesome hauling ship ever (with the tractor beam and stuff)
Edit: just saw a video, it's 8x12x2, fits 6x 32SCU containers. Yipiiee!!!

[wispy abyss]

Anybody care to answer a few questions about trade routes?

[slate spruce]

sure

[wispy abyss]

When you have the cargo in the ship...Which one do you hail? the station, or the station-cargo? And how do you sell? Do you unload into the warehouse or can you just sell directly from your ship at the commodity kiosk?

[slate spruce]

Unless you have Hull C, you hail the station. For selling you have two options
a) Unload to freight elevator, send it down, then sell at Commodities kiosk (in TDD, Administration office, whatever) directly from the location's inventory to them.
b) Store the ship with the cargo (only in cities, stations etc), then sell at Commodities kiosk from the ship's inventory. You pay a small fee and the ship is blocked for a few minutes while automatic unloading takes place

[wispy abyss]

Alright, awesome. Thank you.

So for future reference, the only time you hail station-cargo is with the Hull C?

[slate spruce]

AFAIK yes (I don't have it personally, it's second-hand knowledge, but all "normal" ships always hail just station, get hangar assigned and trade from there. Hull C can't land in hangar)

[wispy abyss]

Gotcha gotcha. I'll never be able to afford that lmao.

[weak tinsel]

Imma have to see the new beam on the raft cuz the old one had such a perfect placement, and i wonder if they are gonna change its price now since that is a lot of cargo for a 3.5mil ship

[slate spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGu42KrfyMo - there are a few glimpses how it looks with the beam... I'll probably stick to maxlift to stack boxes properly, but for unloading it might be useful

[last karma]

itd be so slick if there was a dump all/jettison cargo function

[mild pumice]

RAFT upgrade is great, more plunder 😄

[slate spruce]

Well... it's a ship for friendly skies. And this is exactly the reason why Taurus, C1, Zeus etc. still have their place in hauling. RAFT is slow, unable to defend itself, and everybody sees it when you're loaded.

[mild pumice]

Will be great for those medium hauling missions

[elfin rune]

Anyone know if the RAFT still kicks people out to the space? Im really concerned

[weak tinsel]

i have been using it since 4.0 and before and never had that issue

[red trail]

@weak tinsel out of those 2 locations which one do you recommend for a noob?

[weak tinsel]

both Yela belt and L stations are ok

[red trail]

Struggling to find them

[weak tinsel]

any of the XXX-L[number] [name] are space locations that have asteroids around them

Yela belt is a asteroid belt around the Yela moon of crusader
warping to Yela then to any OM you manually fly to the asteroid belt
avoid space arond GrimHex tho

[red trail]

Alright

I see HUR-L5

i MIGHT GO to HUR-L3 thundering express station

[weak tinsel]

you can also go to regolith.rocks they have a large table of where can you mine what minerals
remeber tho it is a player run site and the data is not 100% accurate and mining is rng so you wont always find the best stuff

[red trail]

Okay im scared of players so im trying to find secluded areas

[weak tinsel]

there is 2 L stations around each main planet and then some on each planet orbit
and when you dig out some ore you then have to refine it at the L stations sicne only they have refineries

[weak tinsel]

dont be in stanton and L stations are usually empty
only places in stanton to be worried are OLP's and GrimHex port

[red trail]

Okay thank you, I’m on my way to a rock

I pressed tab

And it shows a place that said unknown

[weak tinsel]

yeah then dont fly DIRECTLY at the unknown

and if its a multiplication of 1.000 it is salvage debries and not rocks so watch for that

[red trail]

I just pressed M

Then pressed Tab

It scans and shows it for like a second

Then goes away

[weak tinsel]

yeah thats usually how it goes
ping it point your ship at the marker and fly

[red trail]

I FOUND MY FIRST ROCK

OH IT said Impossible..

I can’t mine it then I’m assuming

[weak tinsel]

yeah
each rock has 2 important stats
MASS
resistance

[red trail]

The mass was 22k

Instability 96% something

[weak tinsel]

oh sorry not instability

resistance

[red trail]

Okay I’m on my way to 2nd rock

[weak tinsel]

mass = how much laser power is needede
resistance is a % multipliation of that mass
so example -- 1000 mass and 25% resistance is 1250mass in reality

[red trail]

Okay got it

I keep finding impossible rocks

Okay I found one I can mine

Wait it’s outlined purple that means I just need to extract right?

[weak tinsel]

yeah thats sadly how asteroid mining is
you find a single rock that usually is big
planet side mining has clusters of rocks and most of the time if not always there is one or two small one

[weak tinsel]

i dont remember
the extract/mine needed is displayed by icons on top

see

[red trail]

Okay got it

[weak tinsel]

it says its a extract rock
but i guess the outline says the same

[red trail]

kinda scared to extract

OKG I THINK I extracted

Let’s goo!

And I hit the asteroid and blew up my ship by accident, but it was a great start

[red trail]

@weak tinsel Why is it all of a sudden when i go to the markers that say unknown after I ping theres nothing there?

Almost like it’s invisible

[weak tinsel]

servers have gone down for maintanace so thats probably why
if it didnt kick you out then just log off
its around 2 more hours

[red trail]

Oh, I just rejoined another server after leaving that one?

Are we not able to play the game during maintenance

[slate spruce]

Nope, servers are all going down, patches are being installed.

[warm totem]

WISH we could collect refined ore (boxes) to the station for collection from the cargo elevator, that way I could optimize my "sell" routes.

[cerulean lichen]

So happy about raft getting more cargo! Though my gut says they will nerf other aspects of it to make it not too meta

[plush dove]

can stock prospector mine feyn

no upgrades or well mining heads

[analog grotto]

Feynmaline is a ROC/Hand mineable. Don't believe any ship can mine it.

[weak tinsel]

if ya wanna blow up yes

[plush dove]

huh

[plush dove]

damn so none of it is a big rocc

[weak tinsel]

any gem is hand minable
some are only hand some can be roc mined

big rocks pay more than gems imo but i like to mix it to not get bored

[glass chasm]

Technically hand-minables can be "mined" by a ship. I do that whenever I am on planets with my prospector. I will light up the rocks with the beam for just a split second and let them heat up and then just barely explode. Most of the time it will scatter the gems around the zone, so after doing that with a buncha rocks, I climb out and just collect them by hand. 🙂

[analog grotto]

huh, fascinating. Didn't realize overcharging gem nodes still gave gems.

[past fractal]

They do, just less, dependant on how overcharged it was

[hallow lark]

Would anyone that owns the misc fortune recommend getting one?

[weak tinsel]

if a gem rock is mined when overcharged but not blown up by fully overcharging you lose a % of the gems and they are launched at high speed most of the time so you get maybe a 1/4 of them

[analog grotto]

That's what I get for assuming my ship laser would just vaporize gem nodes 😂

[past fractal]

While I do not currently own a Fortune, I do not because I went back to the Vulture.

The Fortune is nice, but I would only buy one again if it was significantly cheaper than the Vulture. The Vulture has more effective space, and while not as pretty, has the appearance of an industry focused ship.

This is of course, just my opinion.

[glass chasm]

That's why you gotta know how to overcharge them. Sometimes yes, they explode and throw them in the air all over the place. But when I do it, about 2/3 of the rocks explode and scatter the gems neatly in the area. And since to me this is more of an extra when mining for rocks with my prospector, anyway, that is more than enough for me.

[weak tinsel]

it would be so much easier to just rent a ROC or buy one but yeah it is doable

[past fractal]

There's a storage space in the back of the Prospector to put hand mined stuff too

[glass chasm]

Yes it would, but if you look above, that was not the original question anyway. 😉 it was about whether gem nodes CAN be mined with ships.

[glass chasm]

Oh yeah and that also, that little openable thing in the rear, true!

[past fractal]

I know, "ackshully" it's for gadgets, but uh.. yeah... I just store those inside

[primal rapids]

Does anyone know how much the max-level cargo hauling missions pay?

[past fractal]

Some are around 600k that I've seen, but they generally aren't worth it. If you stack smaller missions, and have a big enough ship, it usually maths better than 1-by-1'ing the big ones and is about the same amount of work, but with competitive pay and way more rep

[knotty dove]

Man when 4.1.1 drops RAFT gonna be really popular for hauling/trading

[hallow lark]

Do you think I could make faster returns (than the vulture) using the misc fortune if I just munch contracts and go?

[past fractal]

I mean, not likely. Perhaps this has been changed, but don't you have to scrape a minimum amount to be able to munch? Also Construction Materials sell for drastically less, and even then, if it worked to just munch, the Vulture still has more effective storage.

[mild pumice]

Vulture and fortune are more efficient for scraping than munching because the sell rate is soo much higher and yield is low. Munch and go is really only viable with the Reclaimer

[hallow lark]

I forgot about the min salvage - great point. Thanks

[past fractal]

With minimum finagling, the Fortune holds 27 SCU, where the Vulture holds 39

[hallow lark]

Fact, just unloading time makes it FEELS so much less efficient.

[hallow lark]

Oh I was talking pure on the grid. Cause I’m not a fanagler. 😗

[past fractal]

Ahh, even then, the cargo distribution is faster to unload on the Vulture. Granted, you save time on the loading initially, but when you factor loading between travel, the Fortune is just slower overall

[hallow lark]

Thanks, I think I just love misc ships and needed a reality check.

[past fractal]

I getcha, I'm an ARGO fan. Looking forward to the RAFT rework

[weak tinsel]

when ARGO salvager

[past fractal]

Right? ARGO needs a medium-large salvager

[elfin rune]

This, my wallet its waiting. MOLE size and im in

[mild pumice]

RAFT spawn on low level bounties should be able to nab some cargo off them lol

[weak tinsel]

not even MOLE size
like just a vulture or similar but ARGO
tho ARGO having a middle size ship between vulture and reclaimer makes sense

[elfin rune]

Actually, the RAFT with 2 pilot controled salvage arms ( like the vulture) on those 2 metal chunks on the front

Makes sense

100scu storage

Calling for CIG. Ill pay 400

[weak tinsel]

hmm yeah
refit it to have mole like pods on the sides

[elfin rune]

If fly ready now, 500

Lets roll

I still dont know why ARGO, the industrial brand, doesnt have a salvage alternative

Doesnt make sense

[weak tinsel]

it makes a lot of sense
CIG is lazy

[elfin rune]

Perfect size for 1-2 people, for solo and party

If the RAFT sales are good, i really hope cig makes the salvage version. Lots of people like salvaging concept but hate the vulture. And the reclaimer its overwhelming for lots of people

[mild pumice]

Salvage RAFT with auto loading would be sick

Maybe that's why they changed the grid lol

[weak tinsel]

i feel like they changed the grid to have a excuse why they didnt make the tractor work

[mild pumice]

I have a RAFT on my alt so look forward to using it for the medium hauls

[weak tinsel]

like the grid is ugly as fuck and makes no sense
and with that they can lazily slap a shittly placed tractor beam on it and call i a day