industrial-professions

[fallen osprey]

Well I am proud of myself I finally managed to complete 2 cargo contracts... but I am getting close to dying from dehydration lol

[tall karma]

You can't autoload hauling, so compare trading as though you manually load the cargo. With a Hull C you can make like 800k-1.3mil with the right commodity provided the loading and unloading work.

[naive vine]

what kind of commodities are worth it?

i have a C2

[wise halo]

yeah okay, so kinda what I thought - you need something with massive cargo space for it to be faster than Hauling, but it's always easier just because of autoload

[quartz ledge]

still looking for help with this one

[knotty dove]

demand issue

[quartz ledge]

is there way around it? server hop?

[knotty dove]

realisticaly you need to wait for demand to increase and pray you are quick enough before someone also sells it

im in same boat i looted 24SCU container of Etam yet cannot sell it

[quartz ledge]

might try CRU L4

[quartz ledge]

CRU L4 worked for me

[rain tinsel]

Whats with this "Failed waiting on pending result" crap at TDD?

[balmy kelp]

can you get to the cargo bed of the nomad from the inside?

[naive vine]

Anyone know why my bought cargo hasnt appeared in my ship?

[knotty dove]

are you using autoload or Hull C?

[naive vine]

autoload

i stored my ship and brought it back up and it appeared

[knotty dove]

bugs, be advised autoloading can eat your cargo

[placid hull]

It can make it invisible but its still there. Has worked for weeks

But i always do one transaction then esc f and then another one

Just in case

[quiet atlas]

trying to set my Thrustmaster T1600m slider to use it for mining laser power game isnt seeing the slider at all when moving it to bind it any ideas?

[wild eagle]

If my ship has no cargo after waiting for the autoload to complete and then retrieving it, is the commodity gone forever? Or is there a technique to recover it?

[vestal ravine]

Mo. you can only look through the tiny window to the hold.

[naive vine]

store and take it out again

[wild eagle]

Ok, I'll give it a shot. I stored, relogged and when I retrieved it, it was stuck in the hangar floor.

[vestal ravine]

I had an issue saving my new laser gear to the MOLE. In the VLM the stock lasers were switched to the new with a save after each one I get in space and the old ones still installed. What is the correct procedure or bug work around to fix this? Thanks

[plush dove]

for vulture is fracturing better than using the beams

[vestal ravine]

CM doesn't pay very well so must players go for the RCM...

[rare garnet]

yep just scrapethe ever livin owo of them stuff, rmc pays a lot more and it matters way less if you only gun for it with a vulture / fortune than in a reclaimer

[plush dove]

CM is the distingration and RCM is the guns on the front

right?

[rare garnet]

cm is when you nom nom stuff while the rmc is when you scrape of stuff with zip zap

[plush dove]

ic ic

and it doesnt matter with reclaimer because?

[crisp bobcat]

lots of storage

[rare garnet]

10 times the cargo hold, vulture / fortune has tiny capacity in comparison and it's both faster and easier to fill the lil volture / fortune than it is the reclaimer.
But yes, one would gain way more if one only went for rmc regardless

[plush dove]

ok where can i sell these at

[burnt storm]

does putting mole bags on prospectors still work? And does it save through claims?

[sonic fiber]

Fortune is less work. Not worse. There's a trade off

[sonic fiber]

Yes fracture is not worth it on the vulture

[plush dove]

what do i do with a QT bug when i have material i ejected in the cargo bay

[sonic fiber]

Although with a little cm you can make stuff

[vestal ravine]

Pretty sure it works do not know about claiming. Also 4.0.2 has mining bag improvements.

[umbral prairie]

Absolute best way to earn money from Cargo/Salvage?

I can do the 6 Baijini-Riker Missions in 30-40 minutes but I can't salvage fast enough to finish the ships before they disappear on me

[ocean compass]

dont do salvage missions

just go panel huntings for pure profits

panel huntings done at the Lagrange points (all the points with a "A", e.g MIC-L1A HUR-L2A etc) or the Aaron belt

OR, get someone in your org/friendlist donate you a C2, or multiple C2s to salvage without needing to go panel hunting

[umbral prairie]

Quick summary? I can YouTube a vid I'm sure

[ocean compass]

check TheCoreGameplay, he released a salvaging video 10days ago, for 4.0.1, i like this guy vids

he goes through everything you need, from loadout to reaching to salvaging + selling

[umbral prairie]

Thank you.

Literally no BS pretty sure my friend sent my that exact video within 30 seconds of you typing

[ocean compass]

yeah this guy does good work in my opinion

[raw shell]

Does a Roc fit in a Zeus CL?

[craggy tapir]

yes

[raw shell]

Ty!

[plush dove]

for salvaging i have the 50k ones now do i just pick the biggest ship and do that

[opal tusk]

i need a bit oh help anyone here know mining at all like haves been doig it a lot my laser is currently stuck at 5% mouse scrolling dosen't work nor using alt and mouse scrolling

i think the lock haves something to do with it but i don't know how i locked it

[plush dove]

is the "lock" preventing you from moving?

[opal tusk]

no

just this

ive done left alt and scrolled and ive gotten nothing

[tall karma]

At experienced hauling rank there's a hull c mission that pays 698k. Takes like 30-45 mins to complete depending on how much you need to tinker with the load/ unload mechanics

[ocean compass]

i dont know man, i wouldnt ever recommend Hull C to brand new players

even to experienced players

just go max c2 levels

[tall karma]

C2 does great profits also by bundling a few 100-150k local missions that are pick up at different locations and drop off to the same place. Best in MT where there are distribution centers with instanced hangars and the atmo is quicker in/out vs Hurston.

But the hull c ones work good since you just pull into cargo ATC box, load it up automatically without having the tedium of tractor beaming a bunch of stuff. It's mainly buggy at the main stations (can never seem to get EH to work, and SS breaks for me often also), but seems to be reliable at the gateway stations

[ocean compass]

thing is you need to pick up those hull c hauling mission at the main stations. so its not a good recommendation

[plush dove]

would hauling be better than salvaging

i can level up hauling and get more money per load but idk about salvaging considering the reclaimer is 16 mil

[humble merlin]

32 mil

[plush dove]

huh

so reclaimer isnt worth it late game?

[crimson geode]

do hauling contracts work with the Hull C? been unable to make the autoloading thingy work so far

[spare cloud]

They do, but with Hull C dedicated contracts

You can't do other regular hauling contracts with it and stack them this way

[flint forge]

do hull C dedicated contracts pay more as well?

[spare cloud]

Up to 700k afaik

[flint forge]

well its a bit better then the 60k to 80k contracts i keep getting

about 15m short of being able to buy one tho

[naive vine]

Can you use the Hull C with any hauling missions?

[outer ridge]

Its bugged atm

collecting cargo works, but delivering consistently failed for me

might work for you tho

lost all my hauling rep (halfway to senior) yesterday to a bug

F

[naive vine]

Ok thanks

[vestal ravine]

I consider the Reclaimer an "early" game neccissity and was able to pledge it 8 months ago. The ship makes good credits and is fun to fly and scrap and fracture complete the deal. At the same time being a cargo hauler is good to.

[glass wharf]

hey yall, does anyone know what size ARGO bags come on the mole? and if you can swap them with bigger one you buy at the store? I cannot find internet resources for this. Please @ me if you respond ❤️

[spare cloud]

There are no bigger bags than the ARGO ones

They're 12 SCU bags.

Physically the same size as the 8 SCU MISC bags

[glass wharf]

gotcha thanks

[coarse ember]

also wouldnt recommend buying them from a store, they tend to clip under the freight elevators, sometimes filling the first layer on the elevator with empty stor* all crates pushes it up enough to not clip under the elevator

[spare cloud]

Best to rent a MOLE or ask someone to land you theirs

[pearl juniper]

Or pull them off a salvage mole. But are they working now? I tried putting them on my prospector shortly after 4.0.1 dropped and they didn't persist through a claim, and I have heard others say that with them equipped it always shows 0/0 SCU on the mining screen

[spare cloud]

It wasn't working for a bit but it should be good again now afaik

[pearl juniper]

I'll have to give it another try

wonder how long till 4.0.2... Might not be worth it if that's coming soon, but if it's the end of the month it wouldn't be so bad.

[burnt storm]

whats the best salvage head for the fortune? is it the abrade?

[rare garnet]

best one overall

[cosmic oracle]

does 4.0.2 come with a wipe?

[waxen lotus]

What is the better to make money , mining or salvaging ?

[rare garnet]

mining can make a lot of money but it can be a slow burner with more steps than salvage, salvage is the quick and easy cash cow

[waxen lotus]

Ok thanks!

[pearl juniper]

not supposed to, but since mole bags on the prospector are not fully supported by the ship loadout manager, you always lose them on a patch.

[cosmic oracle]

ohhh got it! thanks, you got me worried xD

[olive surge]

is the steel trade viable with the Hull C?

haven't tried loading anything but 8 scu containers in the ship

i'm new with the Hull C and i already have lost some milions by doing things you are not suposed to do

[scarlet fox]

Most of stations cargo area are bugged, only that works are gateways, for the HullC and when they do work, big contracts doesnt complete, there is always a few SCU missing, have to submit the contract and very very rarely earning the 698k the contract is supposed to payout

[olive surge]

by now i have been trading distilled spirits between terra gateway and pyro gateway and it has worked good all the time

[scarlet fox]

Trading with the HullC as the current state of loading/unloading is absolutely impossible

[olive surge]

now i have more budget and i wanted to buy steel at everus harbor and sell it at seraphim

[rare garnet]

commodity cargo hauling seems to work way better than contract hauling does for the time being, but at least do some small tests to see if your servers cargo boxes work for you before you go big with them

[naive vine]

Is the Hull C worth it atm?

[rare garnet]

I droped it for the Vulture (more reliable than them cargo boxes)

[iron whale]

fortune is not less work

[sonic fiber]

Sure it is. Fill boxes to outside grid, dock, sell

[cosmic oracle]

Anyone here that do trading and have run into this when selling before?

any clue how to fix it? I tried relogging

[rain tinsel]

Try relogging, choose a different server

you can also try different consoles

So reproduced that Atlas problem 3 times today, where you cannot unload snapped cargo boxes (from hauling contracts) from the C2 cargo grid. This is besides the fact that you CAN load them up.

[cosmic oracle]

ended up just manually unloading all of it after a while, but new question now xD: trying to buy commodities, and getting "cargo transfer failed", any workaround for this? anyone know?

[sonic fiber]

Just bugged

Try again tomorrow

[cosmic oracle]

also just lost 1 million credits because I bought, it said completed, and that autoload would take like 8 minutes or whatever, but it never loaded on my ship.. the cargo space available never moved from 0%, and after waiting a while and calling my ship + checking the terminal, there was no cargo

any clue if there is a place i can find the cargo now?

[sonic fiber]

Nope. Been there. Lost in space

[rare garnet]

o7

[sonic fiber]

Sometimes store and retrieve ship, but never know

[cosmic oracle]

trading doesnt really seem that good now then..? cause in a few hours of trading, ive lost around 3 million, and made 300k? 😭

[sonic fiber]

Correct, it's very risky right now

[cosmic oracle]

got any tips for good ways to make money? I have an Anvil Arrow, a Zeus and C2 Hercules at my disposal lol

[sonic fiber]

Hauling contracts or fight for pyro missions seems best to me at the moment

Bunkers, bounties can be good money

[flint forge]

i mostly do the contracts, if something happens you dont lose money only a bit of rep

i want to get a C2 as well

[compact plank]

I bought a full HULL C load of medical supplies, only to realize a lot of places are stocked up on them already.

[rain tinsel]

Bug with C2 right now and Atlas, I hope they get that fixed soon

[cosmic oracle]

anyone here do mining and can give me an estimate of how much they make, and what they do?

[ocean compass]

it really depends, but i remember averaging around 150-200k on a rented prospector

on a owned prospector because you can change heads easily 200-400k, depending on how lucky you get.

^ thats prospector planet side mining. i dont know anything abt asteriod mining

[cosmic oracle]

and how long are those runs?

[ocean compass]

for roc mining, i was averaging around 150k-200k too

but i was an outlier. there was a bug no rocks spanwing on aberdeen

dont take that as reference

if your talking abt returns, too damn long

you need to refine the ores to get maximum value + transport to somewhere else to sell

quick and easy money is from salvaging

[humble merlin]

Can get 300-500k an hour from roc mining hadanite on Daymar or Aberdeen

[cosmic oracle]

i have a drake vulture, but salvaging is so tedious, from what ive seen on youtube mining seems less tedious

[humble merlin]

It certainly has more steps.

Have to pay attention to the mining laser so you don't blow up the rocks.

Salvaging you can just turn your brain off or watch something while you salvage

[cosmic oracle]

i feel like i have to be so insanely exact with the lasers, cause they are so small on the big plates

[humble merlin]

Are you using abrades?

[past frost]

Anyone here familiar with using the Hull C for trading?

[cosmic oracle]

yeah i am

[cosmic oracle]

dont

it is insanely bugged, like, you WILL lose money

trading in general WILL lose you money

[past frost]

Damn, it's really that bad rn?

[cosmic oracle]

i traded for about 2-3 hours today, made 300k from the 1 run it actually worked

and lost about 2,5-3 mill from the ones that didnt

[past frost]

What was bugging out?

[cosmic oracle]

you buy cargo, and you dont get it

you click buy, it goes through, you call your ship, and it isnt there

or

sometimes you call your ship, and you dont get it, it just says "destroyed"

then the cargo is also gone

[onyx drift]

anyone gotten autoload to work with a caterpillar? I've lost 2 million tonight from errors. The purchase will go through for 24 16SCU and then I try to by some 2SCU to go with it, it says that failed bc it's waiting on the other purchase (same type) and that first purchase never loads

[plush dove]

huh? i thought all ships other than the hull c didnt have automatic loading

[spare cloud]

For hauling contracts.
But you can auto (un)load commodities you buy/sell

[plush dove]

i c

[unkempt cove]

Doesnt really work all that well rn sadly

[glad ivy]

As a counterpoint to the above; I have found station>station commodity trading to be smooth and largely free of bugs, though you should manually load cargo and avoid Planetary stations. I spent a good week of evenings doing a loop in the RAFT.

What would be really sweet is an external freight elevator you can call up on stations that you can use MPUV/RAFT to ferry boxes to a larger hauling ship instead of having to rely on the autoloader.

I might be a crazy but I would happily hang around a station and load bigger ships for credits

[rare garnet]

the tohught was even to have the station send out drones to haul cargo, repair, refuel and rearm...
but instead we abuse the ever living carpet out of aladins chocolate box with that space magic..
but yes I do agree that it would be amazing if we could get external cargo lifts for stations and that heckin hull c (at least they can be more reliable than the magic space cargo box that we have now)

well that is as long as people don't frick'em up like they love to do and don't know how to handle things, just want to rush stuff like there's no tomorrow and the world is ending yesterday
(this game abuse a players patience to the max)

[icy tree]

is there any problem with reclaimer atm?

[carmine coral]

Havnt played in a few months but i jumped on to try out salvage and the new HUD and MFD's are somewhat confusing but my main concern is that i cant find the mass indicator when i ping looking for panels and i cant get the scanner to work either still trying but where on the HUD do you see the mass in the vulture?

Scrap that i just figured it out 😅

[leaden monolith]

Someone here more than likely knows the answer to this so here goes.

How come auto load works with refined ores but is hit or miss (mostly miss) with commodities?

[sonic fiber]

Lots of problems

[sonic fiber]

It's a different system. Refinery has not been messed with. Autoloading is new

New equals will be bugged for years

If they ever make any changes to refining, then it will also be bugged and not work properly sometimes

[naive vine]

Is reclaimer worth it rn?

[icy tree]

But is it unplayable?

[olive surge]

last patch in 4.0.1 i played with 2 friends in a reclaimer for a nice amount of time free of problems

[high grove]

Does the rear most salvage elevator not open far enough to fit 16 scu containers out of the reclaimer anymore?

[sturdy geyser]

ok, so my cargo is in a weird state. My caterpillar in the refinery terminal shows it has like 250 SCU of cargo. When I go to the trading terminal it says auto unloading is failing and so I can't sell anything.

When I retrieve my cat it is completely empty inside... Is there a trick to get your cargo back?

its actually like 250 SCU of quant, stil, taranite, gold, and bexalite which I would REALLY love to be able to get out

[pearl juniper]

sometimes storing the ship and retrieving it will make the cargo show up. In fact I would say I have to do this almost every time I load goods fromt he refinery. Ship comes up empty the first time, then the second time it comes up with the cargo.

but auto unloading has been working for me, so I'm not sure what to tell you there

[vestal ravine]

The way I unload the Reclaimer is park it with the rear drop lift close to the wall by the freight elevator. Open all exterior doors command. Start pitching the 16's horizontally down the chute opening be careful keep them aligned horizontally and all the way back with the tight fitting opening. If they get all jammed up go back to the pilots seat and toggle VTOL mode or open/close the exterior doors then go back and do more. I have not had the ship blow up yet. However there is an alternate method that involves blowing up the ship. Good luck.

[sturdy geyser]

auto unloading breaks sometimes with the cat. It seems like when I have a bunch of different goods sometimes selling in the wrong order breaks auto unload

then I can never auto-unload that ship again until I claim it

usually I just manually unload at that point

[vestal ravine]

Hot tip I got on if the VLM does not save a new loadout on the Mole laser changeout. It is reset your Windows auto clock setting. I am going to try this later and will report back.

[sonic fiber]

No, just annoying

[rain tinsel]

So if anyone has an Atlas and a C2, please report the error where you cannot lock onto the snapped on boxes in the cargo grid when you go to deliver the contract. The only way to do it is with the Maxlift or pistol tractor, the Atlas will not lock onto those boxes. I do not know if this is just isolated to the C2.

Please add to the issue report here... https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-157062

[icy tree]

Thanks for the info 🙂

[olive surge]

it's not only a C2, i got a starlancer MAX and happens the same

atlas only serves to load the ship, not unload

[rain tinsel]

please add to my issue report, its a real pain in buttocks

[rain tinsel]

It would be great if they would fix the elevator of death outside the bridge door, lol

[last karma]

I’ve had the same issue loading with atls from freight elevator into a c2, can’t pick up from the elevator without manually grabbing first

[sturdy geyser]

good news, this latest issue with cargo not appearing was resolved by claiming my ATLS... I think it was stored inside the cat and that broke some stuff

also good news, looks like the nose cargo in cat being broken is confirmed fixed in 4.0.2... hopefully that means I will get to finish unloading my cat after the patch

[high grove]

When I tried to get them out the rear they wouldn’t fit through the gap like at all. Are they supposed to glitch through the opening?

[stray isle]

The other option is load them in to the elevator and do 2-3 at I time. I only print 8SCU crates, they clip through the back better

[high grove]

Yeah ill try some different things later

[rare garnet]

16 scu boxes through the very hidden (hard to open) hatch in the back of the reclaimer is doable... just a pain in the left and right cheek to make it happen.. 8 scu boxes work way better for that alone

[vestal ravine]

What is happening is the closer the crate is to that opening the more difficult it is to align them to the width. So the first 10-15 are the worst but after that the more distance available the straighter the maxlift sends the crate on its way to that opening. When you first start stacking the 16's by the drop in opening leave some space there of about 15 feet. if you have 2 players leave one in the pilots seat working the VTOL and Open Exterior button.

[molten falcon]

There s a workaround though, was seriously crossed with this too, it works for all ships, all you need to do is to switch off the ship, just press U and all the grid is available with the Atls, it will be weird as the Atls will act like the Maxlift, but if you click the box let it go and right away click again it will work as Atls, you will get the hang of it after a few.

[molten falcon]

if you switch off your ship it works 😉

[olive surge]

is there a way to unload the hull C?

without selling in the process i mean

[mild pumice]

Only by hand into another ship in space

Or multiple ships depending on how much you're carrying

[sturdy geyser]

ok, so I had refinery jobs and a stored caterpillar. I went and delivered the refinery jobs to the caterpillar. I then logged out. I log back in and now it says my caterpillar with 3 Mole loads of mining is just destroyed. I never summoned it, It was stored when I logged off.

How could my ship have been destroyed while stored??

[mild pumice]

It's a bug unfortunately sometimes a ship is destroyed during the storing process

It's quite a rare one now but does still occur occasionally

[sturdy geyser]

but i delivered 3 refinery jobs to it while it was stored

can you deliver refinery jobs to a destroyed ship?

i remember the first job delivered like normal, but when I went to deliver the second it showed 0/0 for the cargo space availabe

so I left ther terminal, opened it back up ,and was able to deliver like normal

maybe the cargo loading blew it up

[mild pumice]

Oof I'm at a loss then

SC finds new ways to screw you daily.

[sturdy geyser]

its only super frusterating because I have been renting Moles and manually putting lasers on, and the last time I tried to mine I lost the entire thing because a mining gadget killed me when I tried to take it out of my backpack

so I lost like $500k in upgrades

and then the 3 loads I managed to get before that I just lost from another bug

i might just save up for a mole before doing any mining

[mild pumice]

SC can be pain simulator that's for sure. Sorry dude that's rough

[red geyser]

o7... does anyone know if when buying cargo for hull C, its best to land in a hangar or will docking port do? ive bought cargo but cant seem to hail the cargo section once back in space as if i have no cargo in station?

[sturdy geyser]

its ok, maybe I just go spend some more time salvaging 🙂

much less risk there

i feel like mining is one of the riskier industrial professions (other than maybe commodity hauling). So many ways for it to break on each step of the process

[sharp swift]

You should be able to just use a landing pad, go to the store, buy the commodities and auto load them to the Hull C once you fly it into the loading zone.

I think the part you're having a problem on is selecting a destination for the cargo when you're buying it, so be sure to be deliberate and select your Hull C

[rain tinsel]

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-157062

Please report the issue with the ATLS being unable to lock onto boxes which are snapped to the cargo grid in the C2, I know it happens with other ships as well. Pretty much breaks the ATLS.

[sharp swift]

It might be any ship-grid-locked stuff. You have to pick up, drop off grid, pick up to get it to work normally

[spare cloud]

Please keep the issue council stuff to the dedicated #bug-hunt-chat and #1209672602227048458 channels

[brittle kraken]

Isnt this intentional? It allows you to move the containers slowly and carefully. i.e to move them one grid over or get them out of tight spaces.

[hoary hinge]

can a ROC fit in a Vulture?

[spare cloud]

No chance

Too high

[hoary hinge]

👍

[sharp swift]

Possible, I don't remember seeing any patch notes or videos about it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen tho

[vestal ravine]

I changed the Windows auto clock on off then the Mole laser change saved ok. Very happy now.

[rain tinsel]

It would not make any sense from the standpoint of making the ATLS relevant. You can grab the boxes just fine off the cargo grid on the freight elevator and you can LOAD them onto the cargo grid (they will snap in place like normal), you just cannot unload them with the ATLS without first grabbing them with a max lift or hand held and moving them to a non cargo grid area. I have seen a video online of a ATLS unloading a C2 in 3.24 and it was working fine. So I am pretty sure this is a bug introduced with 4.0 or 4.01.

[molten falcon]

Yes you can unload them, press U in your cockpit to switch off the ship and the grid is available with your Atls...

[cloud robin]

This is a known bug

The VLM has a tendency to not work at all if your clock isn't synchronized

[red geyser]

just love losing millions in cargo to bugs

[cosmic oracle]

Anyone here own a Reclaimer and can give me a rough estimate of how much you can make pr hour with it, and if its a ship you would recommend?

[glad ivy]

You can also power down the ship

[novel harness]

Anyone got a good mole loadout they could share?

[sharp swift]

You flyin solo?

[novel harness]

solo mostly, duo sometimes

seen ppl break 50k+ rocks and want something that can get even close to that

[sharp swift]

this is what I use for solo mole

[vestal ravine]

All I can say is it's my go to ship for making bigger chunks of credits. My most favorite loop: Taking the unverified tab salvage missions that are on a timer. There is no upfront fee and there can be bigger ships like the Hammerhead and Starfarers. So I will collect 12-16 RCM and the rest CM and move on to the next ship. Bedlogging works great so no rush on cranking the crates out and selling at your leisure. Once the main floor is filled I go sell. The longer you add fresh crates the sooner some glitch might happen to ruin your day. Unloading can be a hassel so land and get them things off the ship and sold. We can do a run if you want.

[sharp swift]

Helix = power break on large rocks
Hofs = break medium/small rocks
Impact = scoop up duty, really minimizes how much inert you get

[novel harness]

What is the biggest rock that u were able to break?

[sharp swift]

If you want to shoot for the big big rocks, you should have some gadgets on hand to reduce resistance and such. Forget which is best, but check out a youtube vid and you should be mostly good

[novel harness]

optimax is best

[sharp swift]

I can't recall, been too long since I mined in 3.24

[novel harness]

big rocks tho?

[sharp swift]

Idk about 50k, I don't think that is ever going to be feasible going solo

That loadout also works with 1-2 crew. 3rd laser can be kinda boring if they are only ever on clean up duty

[vestal ravine]

Also a lot of folks use the Surge modules. In Pyro there are single stones with a value of over a million. (Quant, Stilleron and Ricite...)

[novel harness]

im planing on going to pyro

[vestal ravine]

I'm relearning everything in Stanton. Will probably do a tour of all the moons then get back to Pyro. I had a good Pyro experience with ROC mining...

[cosmic oracle]

i mean i would love to take a run, can i dm you?

[vestal ravine]

Yes sure go ahead.

[novel harness]

What is the biggest rock u think u can break as solo and duo?

@vestal ravine

[vestal ravine]

I just started up so not sure yet.

[naive vine]

biggest ive broken as a solo was 41k with a helix 2 laser with a surge and 2 C3's and then a sabir gadget

[vestal ravine]

In Pyro the big money rocks are over 50k

[novel harness]

Alright so ill just slap 2 of those on it and see how much can i make

[stoic turret]

I can. I did alot of min max in comporison to vulture. If you hit a 4-6h windows in the belt you can make 600-800K an hour with salvaging as of 4.0.1

The vulture will grant you 400/h more stable.

all panel salvaging

you will hit the 700 to 800K mark in the reclaimer if you are a little bit lucky, finding a 890.

workflow: farm your way through panels, find yourself a 890, fill up that 240 internal buffer, empty it to the huge internal cargo options. fill it again with construction material. This overall is a time commitment of at least 4+ hours. if you can spend that time, the reclaimer can be interesting.

Downside: huge timecommitment, risk to not find panels or a ship, risk to f*cking fly against a rock while scanning, making a big boom, when you were not paying attention (because this elephant is really slow and chunky).

happened to me just too often lately

I bought the reclaimer for 300$ in a non official shop. Arrow was suddendly also in the CCU it seems. Would not recommend to spend any real money on that ship, as of today. Not one cent 😄

The vulture is a more stable bet in reg. of $ / h. esp. because you can invest a short hour and have that boxes ready. but for me it was just a boring game loop and the reclaimer also offers some multi crew aspect that is interesting, but not really more effective in reg. to money making. due to the split the profit and you might not be muuuuch faster if operated 2+ in one recl. only fun factor.

[shut zenith]

I also highly recommend getting a vulture/fortune and trying out duo salvaging before committing to a Reclaimer. The reclaimer performs best when it has a crew. Don't fall for the big ship trap. The solo ships perform great in their game loops with substantially less bugs/issues that may cause you to lose aUEC. @novel harness

400K/Hr Guaranteed vs 600-800k/Hr If The Stars Align
SC is more fun when it works, lmao

[novel harness]

u probs meant to ping @cosmic oracle

[shut zenith]

You're so right, my bad, twinnington

[cosmic oracle]

do you own a Reclaimer?

[shut zenith]

Not anymore, I upgraded it to a Polaris

[cosmic oracle]

ah okay, well thoughts on this: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1it2ww6/comment/mdlgt71/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

?

is this true?

[novel harness]

i own a reclaimer. I mainly go for CMAT, its fast to get and pays okay if ur good at cargo tetris

i make 1-1.5 mil an hour depending on what i get. I have a friend doing bounties and i go salvage them

[shut zenith]

Funnily enough, CMAT was horrible in 3.1, so I've never seen such advocacy for this method!

[cosmic oracle]

CMAT meaning...?

sorry im new 💀

[cosmic oracle]

just fractured and disintegrated a Caterpillar ship, and got around 95-100 CM from it.. thats good money right?

not sure how much CM is worth

[novel harness]

2.5k

[cosmic oracle]

so 250k for 5-10 minutes work?

[novel harness]

Yep

• tetris time

[cosmic oracle]

tetris isnt that bad in this ship though, good space no?

[cosmic oracle]

im used to playing tetris in my zeus mk 2 cl, that cargo hold is fucked up

[sonic fiber]

Can sometimes auto unload but the grid is too small for the whole haul

[novel harness]

Lots of space but so little grid space

I suggest doing only 16 scu boxes. Fill the grid, make 1 layer sideways after grid and then stack on top, go from depending on space left

To unload i would go to cockpit and open all doors to get the back door open, throw 3 boxes in there and wait for it to blend one down, yeet another one down (sometimes u need 4 boxes, more = higher chance to blow up). Once ur out of boxes go to cockpit and close doors

[cosmic oracle]

say less, thanks!

[plush sandal]

dumb question, when your filler stations re ejecting and you get the circle instead of the scu/m on the scraper, I'm guesssing you're not actually scraping right

[sharp swift]

Idk if I understand you correctly, but you will have a message saying your buffer is full. That is when you are not getting any rmc

[plush sandal]

No when the stations are ejecting a box, you get a little spinner instead of a uscu/s gauge under the scraper percentage

[sharp swift]

I don't think it matters even if it does

[lavish ferry]

sorry if this is a frequent question but how much money does prospector mining make nowadays?

[unkempt marsh]

400k+/hr (refined quant)

[hidden garden]

Did they nerf panels?

[pearl juniper]

six months ago. I don't think they have changed since

but maybe they did again?

[pearl juniper]

nah, if anything they have buffed it again. was about 5.5 scu per large panel for a while, now seems to be about 8.5.

but they seem to have changed the graphics a little. If you scrape till the panel is clean, you will spend a lot of time for very little additional material. Watch the scu/s and overall percent remaining on the panel, they will drop to almost nothing before the panel looks clean.

[sharp swift]

If the % displays for you, seems like half the time it stays blank

[coarse stag]

Is auto-loading for commodities still a thing? This person is curious: #star-citizen message

[low cipher]

what's this mean?

[outer ridge]

hauling mission?

had the same with my hull c, if you choose "select inventory" it comes up but not as sellable, tried a few times. commodity trading works with hullc, but hauling is bugged for me

[junior rune]

I wanna put y'all on game, I've been making 400-600k on a single trip doing trainee cargo missions in pyro

Stack like 8-12 contracts and then deliver it, usually I will take check contracts every couple minutes and take the smallest ones to maximize my space

I was doing it in a hull a, but now I'm using a freelancer, but I've been borrowing starlancers from people and getting my friends to join for bigger payout

[junior rune]

This is because you'll get unlucky and have like 20+ scu missions and u gotta either accept them to filter them out and not complete them or just accept other missions and wait for new ones

[novel harness]

What is the best place for mining QT atm?

[random pagoda]

Folks, today I placed all the refined material I mined throughout the week into a Freelancer MAX (yep... not too much...) and went to Area18 to sell it.

When I entered the ship, I thought it had too little crates, but that was fine.

When I arrived at the TDD, there was only a fraction of my material there.

Lost the earnings of a week... OK, it's just a game, but it's frustrating nonetheless. 😛

[vital trench]

Yeah was gonna ask is mining in pyro better or worse than salvaging

[vital trench]

Ive been having the same issues, my cargo dissappear ramdomly

[random pagoda]

I don't like hauling, but that is the only thing truly working for me today.

[rose magnet]

Hey, i just got the MOLE and i need some help setting it up.. a bit new to the game so any help is welcome ❤️

[sonic fiber]

Yep been there. Output to ship, call ship, empty

Best to stick to bounty and hauling missions

[naive vine]

if ur ship is empty when u call it up, store it and bring it up again sometimes they are just invisible

[pearl juniper]

Almost every time for me

[tall karma]

Very commonly the terminal misidentifies which selection is which. Even often requiring you to pick yourself. Select each option in the list until you find the correct ship capacity

[last karma]

Is there anything for cargo hauling between a Taurus and a c2 that isnt the sl max? I’d like an in between, but the sl max is painfully slow

[hoary hinge]

A2 and M2, technically

[fossil scaffold]

Cant choose between Hauling and Salvage. Basically Mole or Starlancer/raft. Thoughts?

[coarse stag]

Caterpillar?

Whoops, wrong reply.

[coarse stag]

Caterpillar?

[hoary hinge]

A mole would not be for hauling or salvage.

[fossil scaffold]

Sorry I meant mining not salvage

[coarse stag]

Do you like either gameplay more than the other?

I don’t know how easy it is to solo mining in the Mole but I know you can at least solo hauling in larger ships, it just takes longer.

[fossil scaffold]

I've had a lot of bugs end me in hauling.. Which is why I am considering the mole

Hows the profit 4.1? Heard they changed mining a bit

[coarse stag]

*4.0.1 you mean? (We have 4.0.2 in PTU now).

[last karma]

caterpillar slower and less agile than a c2 with a worse hold layout

[coarse stag]

Same experience for me in 4.0.1. Too many containers disappearing from my hold due to bugs.

[coarse stag]

It's been broken bugged too lately with the elevator, I don't know if that's been fixed. People unable to get back in. But it is another ship between the Taurus and C2. Anything else isn't really a hauler primarily, e.g., 890 Jump, Carrack, Starfarer, Reclaimer).

I'm looking forward to more freighters in the future 🤞

[north quiver]

I'm currently using a rented Freelancer MAX, what would be the next "step" in terms of cargo capacity? Or am I shit out of luck until I get enough for a C2?

[coarse stag]

Probably the Constellation Taurus.

Technically the Zeus CL but only by a bit more cargo space, I think, and all the fun of the small cargo bay door.

[north quiver]

Are these rentable?

[coarse stag]

Taurus is, pretty sure. Might be wrong and it's just the Andromeda.

cstone says you can rent one at New Babbage.

[north quiver]

Sweet, thank you

Hopefully I can afford it..

[north quiver]

BIG cut into my cash, Hopefully I can profit

[rain tinsel]

so reclaimer is broken big time, You fill up the depot with disintegration to 240 SCU, then when you go back to the salvage processing bay, the depot is EMPTY

and back up to the cockpit, and the depot shows empty there as well

not good

[fossil scaffold]

Do mole modules disappear when you claim your ship?

[wind solar]

is there a better way to claim mining orders froms tations?

i lost about 32scu of quant just now trying to load it into a starlancer

does it need to be in a hangar before claiming or stored?

[spare cloud]

Have the ship stored and go claim your order.
Then retrieve your ship.
Often enough, it'll appear empty, it's a common bug atm. Just store it and retrieve it again until it's not.

Then you can go sell.

[spare cloud]

They shouldn't if you equipped them through the VLM

[wind solar]

thansk so much. would explain why thigns were disappearing

[craggy tapir]

now here is a change we need

[outer ridge]

FULLY agreed

[craggy tapir]

please cig

give us vehicle boxes

just for a small selection

like for a roc or ursa

[sonic fiber]

I still say just make the boot bigger and make bigger boxes

[craggy tapir]

argo capital when

we have the RSI orion and polaris, aegis reclaimer and javelin, origin 890j

Drake Kraken

MISC Odyssey

[rare garnet]

why not just a tiny lil vehicle storage box for that lil Javelin

[craggy tapir]

the javelin should have a merlin bay

crewed torpedoes

[astral panther]

https://youtu.be/IDsqUn1Ksk4?si=jlqBV9S4jNgakWIU

[jagged veldt]

What is a good solo/duo MOLE loadout?

[outer ridge]

Before i waste time anyone knows if 2 hull a's fit in the polaris? if noone has tried ill give it a go later

[vestal ravine]

Looks like I got taken for a ride on trying to auto load a Refinery order to a Hull A. The ship did not spawn in the hanger so I had to claim it. Some people said the cargo would be invisible and not to worry. So the ship did spawn correctly but the spindles were closed. I opened them no sign of any cargo and I ran the tractor beam over the cargo grid nothing. Aside from maybe not using the Hull A for this is the invisible cargo a normal load in thing and what else should I be on the look out for?

[vestal ravine]

What I am going to do with these top mining streamers is sometimes you can see thier loadout during the mining process. Perhaps adopt what they are using. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. This guy is top game also: https://www.youtube.com/live/-9p8QOHC7Ag?si=jxX_T3unmVlFA4w8

[spare cloud]

Pretty sure it does.
Two fortunes fit, two scorpius fit too

[vestal ravine]

That's the change I always wanted. Also a load in box for the ATLS...

[craggy tapir]

yes

pls

i mean

the raft bundled with an atls

Raft and ATLS pack
Raft and CSV-SM pack

[vestal ravine]

I've been using the Hull A and the ATLS combo it's great but I can't take it with me. Might have to score a second one for my home TDD.

[outer ridge]

Thank you homie! gonna set it up rn!

appreciate it

[mild pumice]

They should let you request an ATLS at any freight elevator if you own one like a rental that's tethered to the location and despawn when you leave or cleanup of outpost/hangar

[outer ridge]

easily fit idd!

[sonic fiber]

And fold it into a box which can be attached to a grid

[mild pumice]

I like that idea!

[royal hamlet]

Is it worth buying an MPUV tractor right now, or is that going to have a better use in the future with base building?

Also, I'm at 'Member' rep with Covalex, will the higher ranks bump the contract payouts quite a bit? I currently have the Corsair and a RAFT. I'm saving up for a Caterpillar. Not sure if I'm already reaching a plateau with what I have or not.

[rare garnet]

I would say, it's situational, the carrack loves mpuv for example

oh yeah mpuv could work wonders along with the cat

[royal hamlet]

Even in a hangar? Probably better than the ATLS since the Cat's doors don't open like a ramp.

[rare garnet]

but if you don't have a hull c or want to sly one and the same mission a few times over, member rank is peak for most reasons

[rare garnet]

yep that's the main reason, both the carrack and the cat can't send their cargo grids any lower so the mpuv would shine even in the hangar

[royal hamlet]

Above Member rank you need a Hull C or equivalent? Would a Cat benefit from higher ranks than Member? Sorry, just wondering if there's a good reason to keep ranking past member or if I should focus on the current contracts and rank elsewhere. TY.

[rare garnet]

member rank is the last sweet spot for any other cargo ships of medium / large.
Experienced and up are mostly mainly for the hull c

[royal hamlet]

Roger that.

Now the question is, should I get a Hull C vs the Cat 😂

I hear salvaging is getting a nerf in 4.0.2. I was going to purchase the Vulture just to have something and give it a whirl.

[rare garnet]

them "magic space boxes" // cargo boxes are a hit and miss at the moment and I rarely fly my hull c unless I do some tests first and then mainly manual (buying from commodity kiosks) rather than them contracts...
For the time being cargo hauling contracts combined with cargo boxes works haphazardly, either you get cargo or you don't maybe even to much but most of the time to little and when you offload at destination they either don't unload or they don't count everything that disappear towards the contract.

[rare garnet]

depends on the nerf, but as of 401 you get a boat load of rmc from panels (which I heard was the main focus of the nerf, because few or at least I don't bother with the cheap cmat)

[royal hamlet]

Ok, good-to-know. And assuming there's about a 50% nerf to RMC, you can still make good money salvaging?

[rare garnet]

they will only try to make it more time consuming, the money is still solid and heck if you manage to have a crew with you over at pyro or with npc ship stuff over at stanton, salvage will literally come flying to you

[royal hamlet]

Awesome, I appreciate the info. Super helpful.

[rare garnet]

always happy to help

[royal hamlet]

Sorry, one last question. With a Vulture, solo mining, how much can you make per hour salvaging RMC? I wonder if I should drop cargo and do salvage contracts before the nerf.

[rare garnet]

I rarely do (heck I've never done) salvage contracts, but a full vulture would net about 400k
don't take to long to fill it either depending on what you do, but if you wish to "min max" income don't nom nom eat stuff with the destruction / demolition / d-word option, just use salvage beams and the vulture comes with the good one abrade as well

[royal hamlet]

Not bad at all. At least it's a different loop vs cargo.

[rare garnet]

if you miss cargo hauling, I recommend mining, same money as salvage, or potentially way more if one has a notch patience (refine stuff).

But salvage is the most chill and easy way to earn a good buck while mixing it up with power wash sim

[royal hamlet]

I will definitly mine at some point. I like the idea of exploring with mining in caves, out in space, etc. I bought a ROC and will look at a mining ship. I also need to learn about which materials to refine and all of that.

[rare garnet]

I mostly do the space mining with my mole (gibz arastra already, where me pledged orion at) hella fun, even easier to do than salvage, just a notch harder to find the good good stuff (if you are picky and want to gun for the top)
then the refining step (from a few hours if you don't mind cutting a notch on the profit or up to 3 days if you want the very most of what you mined.
after all that you get to haul the refined commodity's and sell it as if you bought commodity's at a kiosk

[royal hamlet]

Since there's a lot of time put into it, the way you described how you mine, what would be the approximate payout for one full mining loop? It's not just about profits, but I'm curious to know each of the industrial methods and what average payout and then I can choose the game loop based off how I'm feeling. Or, if there's a ludicrous payout (legit) doing one thing, then I'd probably try that for a bit.

I checked the in-game price for a MOLE and it'll take me a while to save up. Between getting the Vulture, MOLE (which I like and it's like the RAFT but for mining), and the Cat.. I need to make some serious UEC!

[rare garnet]

now that's a fun question, since it denepds on what you mine and such, it's mostly a mixed back but say 32 scu of Taranite (one of the top 4 mining resources) can net you about 300k

so it can be quite profitable, depending on what you mine and refine, 1 scu of quantanium nets you 20k

vulture is like the prospector in that regard compared to the mole so to speak.
simplyfied salvage / mining.
the mole would make you get up and down ladders a lot.
but in the end you can get a lot of money from mining depending on what you refine and mine.

[royal hamlet]

I'm digging Drake and ARGO ships, so for me I'd get the Vulture and the MOLE.

For now I'll have to run cargo loops to build up enough cash for these ships. Sounds like some fun game loops, and at a certain point I'll be able to focus on the "fun" aspects vs trying to make the most money.

[rare garnet]

both mining and salvage have their own fun mechanics
cargo hauling is also very chill and profitable

[royal hamlet]

Except when your ship doesn't land in the hangar and instead goes through the floor, killing you and your pledge armor which ended up being stuck in the floor lol. But ya, I'm liking cargo. Pretty easy to do with many ships whereas salvage and mining you need speciality ships for that.

[rare garnet]

as long as we find our very own titbits to fall for in this game

[royal hamlet]

Agree.

[deep sparrow]

I'm having the exact same issue. Did you find a fix for this?

[deep sparrow]

If anyone else can't attach their mining laser to their prospector through the vehicle manager, just call it in the hangar, unlock ports, pull up the laser and modules up through the freight elevator and attach them with multitool. lock your ports and you're good to go.

[spare cloud]

You're not. Doing so, the load out is not saved.
If you lose the ship, you'll lose everything you attached to it.

If you're doing this with a rental, I say this is a terrible idea.

And if you're doing this because your VLM refuses to save loadouts, make sure your PC clock is synchronized by checking Auto sync in your settings

[deep sparrow]

I did it, I stored, I pulled, it was still there. This is not a rental.

VLM worked with all other components. It's just the mining head

But I agree, I wouldn't put any purchased components on any rentals or subscriber monthly ships, nor paints.

[deep sparrow]

Same prospector I've been using for years, but now you got me worried.

Maybe I'll blow it up and see what happens.

probably lose my argo bags, but whatevs

[vestal ravine]

Guess I found another glitch. On secondary breaks twice the Mole flat out died halfway through the process in the green. Beware.

[jagged veldt]

Can I break this with a duo MOLE?

[rare garnet]

yes

especially now when we can finally stack modules once more

don't forget the mining gadets as well

[jagged veldt]

So optimax, surge and stampede?

We have Helix and Hostfede

[rare garnet]

Helix 2 with double surge works now Hostfede is great as a stable backup that opens up that narrow window, plus can add a lil more from their mod slots

[pearl juniper]

MAYBE with double surge (I don't have that on my chart), but otherwise I'm going to say probably not with only two people

two helix lasers with surge and rieger on both only gets you 44k mass at 42% resistance. That's a long ways from 73k

[jagged veldt]

We actually went overkill and evaporated the rock, I went with triple surge and my friend with double. We didn't explode but the rock was gone

[rare garnet]

but, does any of that take stacking into acount now that it finally is back?

[jagged veldt]

Still got to get the hang of it ahah

[rare garnet]

like double active surge

on a helix 2

tripple surge? xD

[pearl juniper]

yeah, I was just plugging those into my spreadsheet. Double surge wouldn't do it, but 2x triple would. Sounds like one triple and one double does as well

[rare garnet]

yeah that's why I thought it could be possible with 2 and a gadget

[vital trench]

Is there a salvage guide for pyro yet?

or is mining better for money?

[mild pumice]

Salvage in Pyro is available at the asteroid clusters and ring of Terminus.

There's regular Salvage panels and a bunch of missions but I've not tried them yet, only panel salvaging in the Terminus Ring. Hopefully they add the ring back to Pyro IV as that will be epic views whilst working.

Note for selling the smaller stations have a very low demand. I had no issues with selling at ruin station other than the queue to dock which was,frustrating with pirates buzzing around lol.

[vital trench]

It seems like I can only sell on the ground according to trade tools?

at least not at ruin

[mild pumice]

What are you searching for in that screenshot?

That's not RMC?

[mild pumice]

Must be something wrong with your query

[vital trench]

unrelated but is there a reason behind the randomly dropping out of quantum?

[mild pumice]

This only half the page

[vital trench]

hmm theres no prompt to go to another page

[mild pumice]

It can occur when you traverse between servers within the shard

https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Recycled Material Composite

[vital trench]

no clue

dang rmc prices are low

Would buying a prospector/mole be a better investment

[mild pumice]

I'm happy with the return it's normally a good 300k for <30mins work

[vital trench]

I think the save pyro missions have offset my expectations

[mild pumice]

Yeah those pay a lot more than we've enjoyed previously

Plus the Pyro bounties are a nice pay day if you like pew pew

[vital trench]

Construction mats prices still abysmal?

[mild pumice]

I don't munch

[vital trench]

I remember the reclaimer days where you could get millions soley from munching

[vital trench]

Unrelated but how do hauling missions scale? I've seen missions that pay up to 20 mil

[mild pumice]

20 mil? Where you see that

I'm currently at senior rank, the highest paying mission is 711k to move 4000scu (Can do in Hull C) average pay is 330k for 400scu ish. Not got the motivation to grind to Master because each mission other than the Hull C one goes to 3 locations and with 16scu boxes take around 1hr to do.

[vital trench]

is it from the event thing

[mild pumice]

Must be I've not seen it

Good luck doing that without getting nuked lol

It's a Jumptown style event

[deep sparrow]

I tested because you had me worried. destroyed it, claimed it, still has mining laser and modules.

[alpine fractal]

where's the good planet for mining again? Friend just got a mole

[deep sparrow]

depends on what you're looking for: https://redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

[alpine fractal]

yup my friend revealed to me they have this exact sheet up and I now have to end myself out of embarassment on the internet

but thank you kindly i'll hold onto this myself!

[sturdy geyser]

anyone ever store an ATLS inside a ship like say the Cat and then retrieve it and have it blow up?

[nova elm]

Dear guys, I do have an Hull C but I cannot find wirth time AUEc routes.

Any ideas ?

[vital trench]

I've been flying from ruin station for awhile and havent found any ping poi's

[mild pumice]

Go to one of the OMs and fly into the ring

[vital trench]

Whats the scanner number for panels

[mild pumice]

Multiple of 2k, so 8k, 10k, etc

[vital trench]

I dont remember panels being this rare

[sturdy geyser]

ive been flying straight out of ruin for weeks and have never had to fly more than like 20-30k between panels. Usually its more like 10-20k apart

[vital trench]

I've flown for 10 minutes about

[sturdy geyser]

and you are looking at all sigs you can see?

[vital trench]

yes theres like 1 every 5 minutes

[sturdy geyser]

you flying through the middle of the asteroids?

[vital trench]

yes

I've found a few 10k's but theres just nothing at them

[mild pumice]

You're probably passing too fast and missing them, ping again when you get near to get the 5 individual markers (for the 10k)

They render in quite late but you can use the ping to get pin markers at like 1000m

[sturdy geyser]

good news, my ship didnt blow up, but it looks like none of the cargo shows up when the atls is inside? I am going to try to remove it and see if the cargo comes back

[sturdy geyser]

it usually splits into individual markers between like 1800 and 2300 for me

the panels themselves are quite small until you are very close, super easy to miss if you aren't watching really closely. I keep spamming TAB so that the pings highlight the panels

[sonic fiber]

Recovered some drugs from a mission, back to base, store ship, try to sell, fail, back to ship, empty. Oh well

[sonic fiber]

Those were the days! I got lots of ships

[vital trench]

I had that happen, they came back after I relogged

[sonic fiber]

I usually quit for the day and try to accomplish something tommorow.

Once I hit a stupid bug, I'm done

I don't have much patience for alpha testing

[vital trench]

@mild pumice Sorry to ping you again but where do you sell RMC at ruin station, I've always sold at orisons industrial platform but idk what the equal is at ruin

[vestal ravine]

NO MORE TETRIS!! Just found my new favorite loop: mine, refine, autoload to a ship, fly to a TDD, autosell.

[vital trench]

You solo mining?

[queen cliff]

What would yall find more profitable Vulture or doing cargo with the Taurus?

[knotty dove]

cargo if you chain missions

[queen cliff]

i cant fit enough missions of a higher tier so i can make like rn with what ive been doing ive been making like 500k ish per run

[outer ridge]

cargo easily

[queen cliff]

just feels super slow

[knotty dove]

depends on your skill level and are you hauling missions or trading

[queen cliff]

Hauling plus i am only at jr rn

[knotty dove]

trading does offer better profits under condition you dont have supply/demand issue and are brave to risk your money. So i trade as soon as i have enough money for it hauling is more of means to get money to start trading

[queen cliff]

any recommendations for me and my taurus? trading wise

[knotty dove]

Fresh Food is good if freight elevators work

[queen cliff]

well i was gonna do a Methane run i saw of sc trade tools

[outer ridge]

the further you get at one point a medium mission pays like 200k

so it becomes very easy and no risk money grinding

[queen cliff]

problem is leveling that up is slow since i can only carry 1 jr misson at once

[outer ridge]

it is! its a proper grind

but once you got it repped up its the easiest money making atm

but def take breaks

for junior what i did tho was

stacking as many missions as i could

not saure if you got small cargo

jr missions with the same destination?

cause size of cargo doesnt matter for rep, all junior missions payout the same rep

[queen cliff]

i do the same i do 1 jr and the rest of my space is the smaller ones

i am a bit under half on jr after like 3 or 4 like stacking i said above

[outer ridge]

once you reach member payout for a direct medium interstellar is 101k

takes me like 30 min to do

i watch a movie on the side

and use the taurus as well for this one

[queen cliff]

It just feels like a snails crawl lol

[rare garnet]

[queen cliff]

[outer ridge]

rule of thumb is always if you dont enjoy it better to do something else

that fits your vibe better

[queen cliff]

thats why i wanted to try salvage but ill do alot for money

[rare garnet]

anyone who don't enjoy cargo hauling, just do mining instead

#1 mine the raw ore
#2 either sell the raw ore or refine it from in a few hours or 3 days
#3 if refined haul the refined commodities
#4 sell the refined goods for the best possible price (flyin from place to place depending on how scattered your mining collection is)

[queen cliff]

See this sounds worse then cargo in my mind. . . NO OFFENCE

[rare garnet]

which makes me hella curious about the whole refining gameplay with ships like galaxy and expanse...
(how will one profit from that and will it be more like a payer trading / beacon kinda thingy)

[outer ridge]

think to remember you can rent a vulture no? otherwise do like 10/12 phase 3 missions and you can buy a vulture

[rare garnet]

which is why I swaped over from cargo hauling (cuz at this stage Hull C / experienced and up cargo hauling is broken) over to Salvage with my trusty reclaimer

[queen cliff]

Nope cant rent vulture but i can afford it but i only wana spend money if it will help me make money

[outer ridge]

vulture makes like 400/500k an hour

[queen cliff]

Im saying. . .

but people in here told me trading / cargo was better

[rare garnet]

a fully loaded vulture makes about 400k per load

[outer ridge]

hauling max level will outearn a vulture

[queen cliff]

whats a time frame for this?

[slender spruce]

Vulture is very nice indeed for money, shame it had to be drake
main reason I got the Fortune despite it technically being less effective

[rare garnet]

when and IF them frickin "magic space boxes of hell" aka Cargo boxes work...

[outer ridge]

no issues for me as long as i avoid the hull c

and stick to space stations

[rare garnet]

it honestly depends... if you hunt for salvage, do mish for it or go to pyro and let the frickin salvage fly to you
from minutes to hours depending on how you approach it...

[queen cliff]

Idk why to do 😭

[rare garnet]

experienced and up will only explicitly give you hull c missions

[outer ridge]

i was experienced till it got wiped due to a bug and had plenty non hull c missions?

[rare garnet]

do you love power wash simulator... then you will fall in love with salvage gameplay

[queen cliff]

Never played

[rare garnet]

that was prior to 401 maybe even 4.0
I also was experienced prior to the change

[outer ridge]

nah i was doing this like 4 days ago

doing experienced missions in my cat and in hull a

[rare garnet]

depending on how you equip your salvage beams (just heckin go with abrade modules, best middle mix to get the best of all worlds regarding salvage).
you simply scrape of paint / hull from panels / ships for that delicious tasty well payin RMC and can also get the ... (don't even recommend) cmat (construction materials) from eating up ships & panels entierly..

[rare garnet]

Well I only looked for Experienced missions from Everus and could only get hold of like 1k+ scu missions wich are beyond even the C2 with their mighty 696 scu capacity (fucking wasted space on to of all that) unless you wait for the ironclad

[queen cliff]

My head hurts

[rare garnet]

welcome to indusctrial gameplay

[outer ridge]

Ah weird! well im almost there again and i can show you

if cig doesnt wipe my rep

that would be lit

[rare garnet]

never found a mish that had less than 1k scu for them experienced ones...
butt I did see a mish that wanted you to fill a hull C and deliver it for mere 200k

[queen cliff]

Oh @outer ridge since you used the taurus what upgrades should i biy ibe never bought any before

[outer ridge]

i just use it for hauling! so i just upgraded the quantum drive on it!

[queen cliff]

O alrighty ill seek out where to buy a good one

[queen cliff]

Oh ty

Oh also one last thing befor i get back to work if i have afull load but i need to go buy somthing do i have to sotre my ship so i dont lose the load?

[rare garnet]

DO NOT FORGET!!! to re attach the jump drive!!!

for some reason or another when swappin Qantum Drive... the ship un equips the Jump Drive

[queen cliff]

🫡

[rare garnet]

honestly... with how the game is right now...
if you have cargo, unload it to the cargo grid on the cargo lift and send it to your inventory..
if you have scu stuff in the vulture for processing, you can gamba

but cig love to wipe our ships clean off stuff

[outer ridge]

Stole this from the other main cargo legend fitzie the lizard, but for me plenty of med/large for c2's and small and extra smalls have always spawned on the upper ranks

[queen cliff]

I jjust loaded my ship full of stuff for trade but i need a tractor beam to fix it so i can fit it all

[outer ridge]

so might be something weird with your server/your hauling missions?

another example

[queen cliff]

i hate htese i dont mlike doing more then one places >: (

[rare garnet]

how oldge is this?

[rare garnet]

this is senior rank tho

[outer ridge]

yes you said experienced and up right 😮

ok i guess i justr gotta reach it and i show you my receipts

im halfway member now

but got no time this weekend, grind starts again sunday/monday

[rare garnet]

it's hella easy to rank up cargo hauling... just do like a handful and you reach member in the blink of an eye, then some more and reach the heartbreaking experienced

that's where the real carg ohauling grinde shows up

[outer ridge]

i know! i mainly haul! so i was max rank pre 4.0

but i just got a lot of irl stuff

so cant do it all the time

[spring prism]

I did a bunch of direct planetary for microtech. Took four at once on my Hull A going to goldenrod. Made 200k on delivery. Then Took some back to tressler. Then took 3 more to another DC.

[rare garnet]

cargo hauling is easy, risk free, quick and rewarding (as long as you are in stanton that is)

I am leveling up cargo hauling in pyro just cause

[spring prism]

You can get NPC pirates that Interdict you for large and higher

Farrister had that happen when they were showing Hull C hauling missions

[rare garnet]

don't know about npc's, I have meet twice dimwits that had a ship with such stuff, 2 or 3 at a time spamming missiles

[spring prism]

These were definitely NPCs, since they had spaces in their names and "nicknames" :V

Three of them at once

[rare garnet]

remember that ships like my own can be called "Lady of the Night"

[spring prism]

They shot off one of the Hull C spindles. He had to manually tractor the cargo that came off onto empty spots on the other spindles as a result.

[rare garnet]

Hull C is also the one and only ship that gets borked flying if the cargo is unevenly distributed besides that the weight of the cargo affects it's flight

[spring prism]

All ships are meant to be affected by cargo weight. But I think the curve is too small for smaller ships right now.

[rare garnet]

not implemented yet

[spring prism]

I'm guessing it'll come when they add cargo grid power

Maybe we'll get the Avenger Titan gold pass then.

[rare garnet]

speaking of cargo grids...
when the heck will they fix the frickin reclaimer..

[spring prism]

Aren't the reclaimer inner grids diagonal?

[rare garnet]

it's garbage that's what it is, can't stack stuff in the salvage processing that is a multi floor place and the salvage hold don't even have cargo grids

[spring prism]

Man, imagine if there was this big elevator that could be used to go from each level of the reclaimer.

And that it worked.

[rare garnet]

it works just fine, but it is ass to haul 2 16 scu boxes at a time

[spring prism]

Last time I used the reclaimer, it was during like 3.18 or something. We couldn't access the actual cargo floor/area. So we only had the salvage area.

Plus, back then, it could only spit out 1 SCU Boxes

[rare garnet]

lol

well it works conciderably better now in 401

[spring prism]

And the upper area was still walled off past a certain point. (Since they didn't expand it for the larger stuff then.)

[rare garnet]

the salvage processing has place for 10 16 scu boxes and the salvage hold beneath could theoretically hold more? (if it had cargo grids)
Haven't bothered with the cargo hold to be honest

but the heckin salvage processing should be able to hold so much mroe and stack up on one another concidering how frickin high up the ceiling is in that room

[spring prism]

Should have the grid in the middle, so it can stack up higher. Have the foot paths to the sides

[rare garnet]

like most cargo oships

[spring prism]

Isn't the cargo hold right below the lower salvage deck?

[rare garnet]

the "salvage hold" can't stack 8 or 16 scu boxes there, but should hold quite a few... if them cargo grids existed there

[queen cliff]

i whish there was a better thing i could upgrade on the pledge store from my taurus ( that wont break the bank)

[rare garnet]

depends on what you are after, salvage, mining, cargo hauling or cig's favorite pew pew boom bang combat murderhobo gameplay

or the more obscure refueling, towing or medical gameplay

[queen cliff]

Cargo tbh but ill take anything that will make more money then the taurus

[rare garnet]

I would recommend either the C2 or Caterpillar honestly

[queen cliff]

There not sold : (

[rare garnet]

I did most of my cargo hauling with my Carrack

[spring prism]

The Hull B will be better at cargo than the taurus, but pledging it right now gives you a Hull A basically. The Railen gives you the taurus and a Syulen.

[rare garnet]

hull B?

(not in game)

just like that railen?

[spring prism]

Yes, none of them are in game. I wish we'd get an update on the status of the Hull B.

[rare garnet]

so yeah Cat is the best option other than the C2 for cargo hauling for the time being

[rare garnet]

I wish I got my heckin Merchantman

[spring prism]

They sadly aren't being sold until Fortuna or Foundation Festival or something. The C2 won't be at ILW

[queen cliff]

I wish i could buy it from pledge

[spring prism]

Banu Team dispersed, so it and the Defender are on perma-hiatus until they get a new team or the current alien teams work on it.

[spring prism]

Imagine having 19 million

Both the defender and Avenger Titan need reworks/gold pass desparately, since neither have physicalized components, which means they are at an advantage over some of the newer ships.

Oh and the nomad, but who cares about the nomad. /s

[rare garnet]

just get a Hornet mk2 like the rest and murderhobo to your hearts content

[queen cliff]

The a2 is in stock 😭😭

750

[rare garnet]

A2 is good fun

[queen cliff]

can it cargo?

[rare garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358778038202138625/1278348274289344542/Zeekyboogydoog_a_Discord320.gif

[rare garnet]

to some extent, yes

[queen cliff]

😭😭😭

i dont know what to do anymore

[queen cliff]

I might just upgrade my taur and grind cargo 😭😭

[rare garnet]

The heckin Reclaimer, the "Salvage Hold" is jsut a garbage filler
and teh Salvage Processing is a joke

[queen cliff]

capital ships are so hot ngl

[rare garnet]

upgrades a really cheap... speaking of.. I need to get hold of someone with a 890...

[rare garnet]

they can be hella fun...
but also..
it seems like the cig devs love eve online so much that they have taken a liking ot the whole sip ramming thing.

one lil timy m50 can DESTROY a heckin Polaris

[queen cliff]

LOL

[rare garnet]

it's pretty much shit at this point...
who needs s7 guns or s10 missiles when you can just ram with a cheap ass ship to destroy capital ones

[queen cliff]

Yeah its a problem but new capital this update right

[rare garnet]

and piracy rewards most with cargo hauling, no questions asked... ther's the infamous exploit that will let you sell stuff that never disappears over at pyro system

[queen cliff]

Ive never been to pyro and i dont plan to

[rare garnet]

funny enough... pyro andthe players there treat me way better than the game and it's mechanics ever has over at stanton... or pyro for that matter

[queen cliff]

i js dont wana get Killed tbh

[rare garnet]

cig are experts at that, don't worry

[queen cliff]

Anyways thank you for your help im gonna close discord and take a nap ive been playing most of the day ty for the help!!!

[rare garnet]

good night, sleep well and have sweet dreams

[pale agate]

Anyone recommend a good salvage load out for the vulture? Feels like the stock ones are slow

[rare garnet]

this is my loadout for my vulture
(or the upgrades I got for it)

I only miss one pip for the engines with scm and have 1 to many pips to dispence with the nav mode

Abrade are key for the salvage, the best middleground option, has decent spread and absorption so one can swiftly work on the salvage

[flint forge]

C2 got lowered?

i want to save up and get that one

[rare garnet]

pog in game life goal owo

[flint forge]

i just got 3m together so still a bunch to go

it was like 28m before

so 18 is a nice change

[rare garnet]

gettin them mils are relatively easy... honestly.. especially if cargo haulin actually worked as intended. a frickin cakewalk with the hull c

[flint forge]

i dont own a hull C, i just started and upgraded my intrepid to a zeus cl

i just got my 100k hauling projects

[rare garnet]

it's a solid start

[flint forge]

intrepid was too small to link together jobs, with zeus i can do some more jobs at once and money goes faster

i tried a C1 before zeus got back on sale, but i dislike the tractor beam placement and the cargo grid, that could have been done way better
the zeus roof is a bit too low for 3 SCU as well, should have been made like 10 CM higher so i can move the crates in better

[rare garnet]

story of our cargo haulers lives... to many ships that could have had way better cargo grids, the C2 is not an exception from my own experience

let's not even talk about the reclaimers cargo grids

[flint forge]

i still want to see the C2 ingame

i havent seen it in any of the ship shops

[last karma]

you can go run around on one in crusader showroom

[flint forge]

did see the taurus and walked threw it

[last karma]

on orison

[flint forge]

i did not see it there, i can check it again

[last karma]

a c2, ares ion, and an msr

[flint forge]

i think i went to area 18 before

[rare garnet]

Crusader Orison

[flint forge]

i'll head there next time

[rare garnet]

Area18 also has it

[flint forge]

out on display?

[rare garnet]

I think only Orison has it on display at the crusader showroom

[pale agate]

Oooh thanks a lot

[flint forge]

i use this
https://www.erkul.games/live/calculator

[vestal ravine]

Yes with the Mole and CIG gave me a Prospector I never owned.

[rare garnet]

I prefer this one
https://www.spviewer.eu

[flint forge]

this one tells me cooling is red

[rare garnet]

who cares about "cooling" for now anyway
wait til Engineering drops and fricks us all over

[flint forge]

lol

[spare cloud]

Whatever you do you can run with all coolers off, but recommendation is to run with them at minimum power. All off and your IR will spike very high.

Best you move to #flight-combat-racing if you wanna discuss loadouts more in details

[rare garnet]

mind y'all that even mining and salvage requiers loadouts

heck cargo haulin also benefit from loadouts

[flint forge]

i was talking here because i was talking about hauling, sorry

[rare garnet]

like say stock QT drives aren't the best for cargo hauling, you could cut down costs of travel with an upgrade, should I still head over to combat & racing to talk about getting cheaper and better loadouts for industrial stuff?

[spare cloud]

If you're talking about mining lasers loadouts and QD then yeah, here is good.
When it comes to every other components, the reason for changing them is always the same.
You either wanna be stealthy to avoid eventual encounters, or survive those encounters. That's a chat for #flight-combat-racing where you'll find all the experts about it

[flint forge]

i just want to be cheap while moving a ton

[spare cloud]

TBF the original message that started this convo simply asked about the salvage scrapper modules and someone answer with a whole loadout

[rare garnet]

power management is ass in the current state of the game (it changes shit for you weather you like it or not) so a more fleshed out loadout is better for any industrial ship to get the most out of it (have you even tried to face a hornet mk2 with a vulture... who gives a shit about loadouts then when the hornet just fuckes it up in seconds (personal experience) talking about that on a side note, don't get any funny haha ideas about entering combgat with players in any industrial ship (expections might be ships like a fully manned reclaimer)

sure engines and industrial tools only, but power will still act up and do as it wish, that don't stay consistent

so...

yes..

naturally ONLY combat and racing benefit from complete loadouts?

might as well toss out my shield gens then from my ships since I don't neither combat nor race (I still low key wanna see a hull c with full HEAVY cargo kinda race)

just dead weight anyway am I right

I find it rather presposterus that only and explicitly "Combat" and "Racing" has the solemn right to discuss complete loadouts for vehicles for this game...
I rest my case..

[flint forge]

so cooling is not working right now?

[rare garnet]

cooling is kinda working

but it will be of utmost importance once engineering drops

[spare cloud]

^ for more details about how signatures and cooling works. You'll find the most detailed explanations there

[rare garnet]

cool... thank you.. now I know that I can remove the coolers as well.
naturally like you say, means fuck all less than nothing to industrial ships like mining or salvage, let alone cargo hauling.
that is why we should refrain from talking about it all, we don't need shit like that in our ships?

why the actual fuck is it tabo to talk about ship loadouts here?

[spare cloud]

What are you on about ? Who said you should remove your coolers ? Why are you making the wildest shortcuts like this ?

[spare cloud]

Ok read again

[spare cloud]

"you can run with all coolers off" (or no coolers at all yes). Not "you should". That's the part that comes after.

[rare garnet]

tell me why I can't talk about it here?

[flint forge]

i think its more about the do not talk about loadouts then the cooler part

[rare garnet]

what does even combat or racing have to do with industry?

they are separate for a reason... no?

I have been playin this game since 2014

[flint forge]

i started this year

so i'm kinda still new to the whole load out changing and stuff

[rare garnet]

I know it is a known bug with the power loadouts / settings, nothing new there, why even bring it up?
oh thats right, because it would be benefit us to talk about things to mitigate it like a full loadout

[spare cloud]

Power changing without your consent are a known issue in the current state of the game, for everyone, and I fail to understand how that prevents industrial ships from having an optimized loadout for whatever play style they want.
Just do like everyone, keep reassigning power everytime it's changed.

[spare cloud]

Now tell me if I got this right, you're saying this server is ass because it implies loadouts are only meant for fight and racing ?

[spare cloud]

Like I said above, other than mining lasers/salvage scrapper modules, the reason for changing most of the other components are not to better salvage or mine, as other than the QD, rest of the components do not affect this part of the game.
It's almost always to have a better chance at surviving the unexpected encounters or avoid them.

For that, whether it is that you want to lower you signature or better know what shields to pick, #flight-combat-racing is where you'll find the most experts about how it actually works and what fits what situation. This is the reason why this channel is recommended, because it's the place where you can read all the pinned messages about that stuff and chat with experts.

[spare cloud]

Why are you being difficult like that ?

[vestal ravine]

I have been trying to get my M2 back to the refinery to bring back another load and having severe QT jumping issues. So gonna try a different ship and maybe do another task until its more reliable.

[spare cloud]

What kind of issue are you having when QTing ?

[flint forge]

i found that lowering landing gear and putting it back up sometimes fixes the QT jumps for me

[vestal ravine]

Click on B nothing happens/ left click on target

[spare cloud]

Make sure you actually have power to your QD on management screen

[vestal ravine]

Yes I checked that seems a full column.

[rare garnet]

kinda wild, ngl... how does one jump to the cunclussion that:
#1 I somehow think this server is ass? (Don't even know how you got to that conclussion)
#2 still don't comprehend why you wish to enforce that talking about loadouts should only be for Combat & Racing no matter what?
#3 a way to mitigate being forced to constantly fiddle with power 24/7 because of game related bugs would be to possibly mitigate it with a loadout that can let it stay consistent.
How is talking about a possible workaround for a well known bug, a prohibited topic for this chennel that has to do with industrial ship, where we actually talk about industrial ship loadouts, not for combat nor racing, but for simply power management and economy?

[spare cloud]

Still don't know where you're getting all this prohibition from

[rare garnet]

I for one would not love to manage my ships power while salvaging or mining, don't know about you tho

[spare cloud]

Odd, maybe a simple server issue ?

Tried changing server region ?

[rare garnet]

...

[flint forge]

this one zorgh ^ this one is what its all about ^

[spare cloud]

I answered this. I don't need you to interpretate Aiedia's messages for me thanks

[blazing cedar]

Looking for general purpose multirole ship for around 3 mil, considering a C1
What are some other options?

[spare cloud]

Freelancer (MAX at 4mils) or Cutlass Black

I'd go for C1, it's my personal favorite in that category

[blazing cedar]

Given those options, C1 it is then

[spare cloud]

The Zeus are buyable on PTU now

[vestal ravine]

This issue started last night so I backspaced to Orison and will see how my Alt performs and if okay will give my guy a ride to Cru L1 and get all the cargo out of the refinery and into station freight elevator.

[blazing cedar]

Freemax good but I'm not looking for the best hauler for the buck necessarily

[spare cloud]

But damn CL is 6.8 mils

At this price no reason not to get 1.2 more mil and go for Taurus IMO

[blazing cedar]

And cutty good but I'm almost never gonna have a gunner so may as well go bigger cargo instead

[spare cloud]

ES is 4.4 mils, a much more fair price

[flint forge]

i bought Zeus CL to start hauling, since i like it more then the C1, but if you start with something small a C1 is a good stepping stone and then take the taurus like zorgh said

[rare garnet]

contradicting yourself.
like I mentioned, I don't even try to go into stuff like cooling, emissions, stealth, survival, etc..
still don't comprehend why you are so anal about talking about loadouts is only for Combat & Racing.
Wtih the exception of mining and salvage... oh right and QD..? (Why not include them, salvage and mining should be amazing for combat when you get them shields low enough right?).

you know what, I whould just @ you everytime I bring up anything related to ship / vehicle loudsouts in the Combat & Racing one, especially if I am bringing up mining and salvage explicitly because then we can go in depth to them signatures of mining and salvage, how easy of a pray one would be and how to gang a vulture in seconds ❤️

enough said, I will jsut make sure to steer of anything loudout related to that channel hence forth and make sure that if anyone ever objects or raise a question about it I will just post

shouldn't we also steer topis regarding ships in general over to that channel so that we can combine it with loadouts while we are at it?

[mystic fox]

I got about 50k aUEC and a C1 spirit, any hauling routes someone could recommend?

or is there a website where I could check routes myself?

[flint forge]

for just spending your own money and increasing i use
https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522C1%2520Spirit%2522,%2522investment%2522:5000000,%2522profitType%2522:%2522pure%2522,%2522itemTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%255D,%2522maxVolume%2522:1,%2522locationTypes%2522:%255B%255D,%2522locationNames%2522:%255B%2522Stanton%2522%255D,%2522locationNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522factions%2522:%255B%255D%257D

[coarse ember]

^ theres uexcorp or sc trade tools

[flint forge]

i do suggest to stick with hauling missions tho since it does not need money imput from yourself

[mystic fox]

Oh

[flint forge]

if you can link together some drop off/pick up cargo you can earn more

[mystic fox]

It this what people were suggesting when they said hauling is decent for money?

The missions?

[flint forge]

idk, i started with a C1 and just do the small ones

the problem with low cash and trading is that if you lose it once because of a bug you have nothing

[mystic fox]

haha yeah, always the risk

[cosmic sparrow]

can someone tell me how much a prospector is in game?

[spare cloud]

Check ship prices on !itemfinder or erkul.games 👍

[jolly dagger]

Universal Item Finder

Use the website to search for any item (and where to obtain them) in-game.

[spare cloud]

Bookmark that, good sites

[sturdy geyser]

does https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes take into accout auto load/unload times in addition to flight time?

[flint forge]

i dont think it does

i think it is pure flight time

[sturdy geyser]

unloading takes too long both manually and auto lol

at least my cat is a huge headache to unload, takes about the same time either way. You can't really use the ATLS except to bulk move things over distance, you can't really get things in/out of the cat itself because its all raised up

[flint forge]

i do about 8 missions all together in 1 flight round and load/unload everything myself

but i'm still kinda new to all this

[sturdy geyser]

so lets say I accidentally crashed my cargo ship on the edge of the hangar just outside. The wreck is still there with tons of the cargo still... but I can't use my tractor beam because its in armstice. Whats the best way to get the cargo?

[mystic fox]

oof

[spare cloud]

Called ATC, pray it gives you the hangar in the same spot, push it all into the hangar

[knotty dove]

get that tow ship and tow it in

[sturdy geyser]

good news, caterpillar tractors work in armstice

so wi th some creative positioning i was able to recover 9/21 16SCU boxes

sooo, could be worse

[sturdy geyser]

whats the best tow ship? Able to tow even large ships

[knotty dove]

SRV

[spare cloud]

The only one

But can only QT with ships S4 and smaller.

S5 ships will only get pulled a few kilometers

[flint forge]

what is needed for a ship to not despawn in the hanger?
i friend of mine got me to hover the ship above the pad, but that only got me dropped in the hole below when the big ship despawned and the small one appeared

[sturdy geyser]

usually the best way to do this is to just fly the ship out of the hangar, land on an outside pad, and go back in via the elevator

Question if anyone knows, lets say player 1 and 2 are in a party together, inside player 1's hangar. Can player 2 use the freight elevator to pull in/out their own goods?

[flint forge]

yes, i could pull up my own cargo and load it on to his ship

since we forgot to share the quests

[flint forge]

it was more a question since i now own a ATLS but i cant fit it in my ship with the cargo, if i land outside and go in spawn the ATLS inside and then run outside to get my ship the ATLS would prob de-spawn

i hoped the ATLS came from the side elevator but sadly it did not

[honest grove]

Is the ATLS still a death trap?

[flint forge]

idk the part that i used it it worked decent

[vital trench]

What is the scanning number for large minable rocks

[compact plank]

Any value over 7,000 is a high chance of big rocks.

[vital trench]

Tin spawns on fuego right?

What deposits do tin spawn in?

Well the ones that have the high grade ores

[compact plank]

Tin can spawn anywhere in Pyro. There's no data on spawn rates, ore percentages and cluster sizes. All server sided data so we can't see it currently. Neither can the Dev's.

I would personally do some self exploration. Unless you want a straight answer.

[vital trench]

Id like a point in the right directions because I cant find anything better than laranite

[vital trench]

I havent found a single rock with any of the new minerals other than tin

[queen cliff]

I kinda wana buy the mole

[vital trench]

you can rent one

[queen cliff]

i ment that but would it be worth it

[vital trench]

I dunno theres like no information on pyro mining

[queen cliff]

Can you rent the caterpillar?

[vital trench]

https://finder.cstone.space/ShipShops1/dc39ca6b-1d76-4db5-9346-356f49954978 No

[queen cliff]

: (

[vital trench]

4.0 stole my caterpillar

[queen cliff]

Ill practice with the prospector see if i like then rent moleif i do

[compact plank]

Come to Ignis, you might have more luck there

If not, Vatra is also cool, just thick atmosphere

[vital trench]

Is there anything else to help or is the contents of rocks just random

[wintry pawn]

anyone know when they are gonna fix the hull c cargo hauling

it wouldnt let me deliver all of the cargo and i lost a whole rep lvl

[compact plank]

Shoot for the highest signature and you'll never lose

[cinder tulip]

I'm having a hard time here with math not mathing

Why does SCTrade/UEX recommend scrap over medical supplies? Looking at doing a run from Terra to XXX Location, and everything says "Do Scrap" But med supplies look like it'd be twice the profit.

[knotty dove]

supply/demand based on your ship?

[cinder tulip]

Nope. Both commodities can do the same amount

Idk, I just want to actually try out a Hull-C loop, but the math ain't mathing on the websites

[sonic fiber]

If you just testing buy whatever is cheapest

50/50 chance you'll lose it all anyway

[flint forge]

you could just rent it first

i rented the C1 for a couple of days to try it out, and flew the Zeus CL of a friend to see, and then upgraded my starter to the Zeus

[soft mantle]

am i doing something wrong

[glad ivy]

Look at uex > route looks good > buy goods > go to sell > demand is low > wait > someone on another server sells before I do > wait > it happens again > wait > again > fuck this

[glad ivy]

The first picture says to buy 522 SCU and you are buying 320 in the second

The station may be out of supply, takes ten minutes or so to refresh

If lots of people have the same idea then you're in my personal hell right now

[soft mantle]

it says shop quantity 23k scu

do i just buy the 322?

[glad ivy]

You could try it and see if the rest is available

[soft mantle]

how so

after i buy it and it starts loading what should i do

sit in the galleria and wait or return to my hangar

oh cool not a single piece of cargo has been loaded

or even in my ownership

so it just took all my money and gave me nothing 👍

[glad ivy]

Try storing and retrieving the ship

Happens to me almost every time lol

[nova elm]

Just bought my Reclaimer. Best ways to make money with it at Pyro, please?

[sonic fiber]

Salvage things

[spare cloud]

The required power on the right you mean ?
It's definitely showing the optimal range on the left.

[coarse ember]

switch modes on your mining head, you're set to mine when the red icons are telling you to be in extract

iirc left alt + L click

or ig proper name would be fracture and disintegrate but get the idea

[small galleon]

I hope your still active @pallid talon

I can't even find Travis here

[pallid talon]

Travis left 😔

He quit star citizen

[small galleon]

NO WAY. REALLY?!

Is this some cruel joke

[pallid talon]

Yeh he did im not joking no

[small galleon]

Well, how is SC right now? Any stability worth talking about?

I didn't play since before the wipe

[pallid talon]

Idk haven’t played in over a month cuz its a mess

Im excited for ironclad wanna use it for my industry stuff

[spare cloud]

Shouldn't the rock be outlined purple if that was the case ?

[small galleon]

Oooooh any news on that?

[pallid talon]

Rumour is ILW maybe the persues too but thats just rumour and cope lol

[small galleon]

Also how's mining everyone? Is it better?

[pallid talon]

The fortune released if you missed that

[small galleon]

I did not and I am thoroughly disappointed

[pallid talon]

😞

Cargo hauling was broke last time I played

Mining I think was alright but pays meh

[ornate halo]

Mining pays meh??? Then learn to mine

[spare cloud]

Press F4, what does your ship look like ? Still got the bags ? Your cargo is showing 0.00/0.00

[small galleon]

Is this pre Pyro or post?

[pallid talon]

Id rather steam roll people in pvp and do my money i have 70mil ty good sir

[ornate halo]

You're welcome. I prefer mining myself.

[pallid talon]

Where do you mine

Ive alot say pyro is good

Heard*

[ornate halo]

All over really. Pyro is really good right now: Terminus especially, but I've made money on most planets

[small galleon]

I was wanting for mining to be the best paying job in the industrial sector. And I say that as a salvager primarily

[small galleon]

Hmmm...I'd gladly take some of that burden off. Must be heavy carrying all that cash.

[pallid talon]

Do you use a mole?

[pallid talon]

😭

[ornate halo]

Right now, I'm using a prospector. I find it a bit more fun- its slower, but swifter... It limits my rock sizes to about 30k.... but since thats most rocks, I'm not missing much

[pallid talon]

Interesting

How much do you make on average per haul?

Solo and group ofc

[ornate halo]

Solo I can put 200k average. I've not grouped much for awhile: I've been a little sick so I've just been making one or two runs then logging.

[pallid talon]

Fair enough

Cant wait to do cargo hauling in my ironclad

[coarse ember]

it should but as we all know bugs happen

[ornate halo]

Dont bother looking at the color- look at the size. Anything under 9.9 SCU is scoopable.

I can never tell myself cos it always seems to flash yellow for me when it resolves the scan

[spare cloud]

I tought that was 10SCU true for S2 mining lasers only

[ornate halo]

Nope- its for all.

[wicked garnet]

what are some tips & tricks for avoiding bugs and increasing efficiency for cargo hauling?

also is cargo hauling extremely buggy for anyone else or do I jus have a skill issue?

[knotty dove]

personaly i only do spaceport to/from station above it missions also chain them and 99% i can complete them

[sharp swift]

like what @knotty dove said, spaceport <-> station trade has typically been stable and reliable. It is the smaller planet-side locations that are problematic due to the communal freight elevators not working reliably.

[compact plank]

I want this rock so bad

[velvet pasture]

Hey

Does anyone know if there's a specific junior rank mission that gives most rep for hauling?

covalex

[sterile narwhal]

doing a junior mission will give you more rep than like 4-5 rookie ones but i'm not sure about specific ones within junior

[velvet pasture]

i see

[mild pumice]

All jnr rank gives the same as do the other ranks, multiplying with each rank

[velvet pasture]

oh okay, so its not that different missions within junior do

its that different ranks give more

[sterile narwhal]

rep gain for each level

 rookie 50

junior 500

member 1000

experienced 2000

senior 4000

master 8000