industrial-professions

[coarse ember]

i accidentally leaked ignis, decoupled told me as a secret and i wanted to keep it but list is too close together

actually i have the perfect gif for this moment

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-all-of-china-knows-gif-4205818911751445716

[lament wigeon]

theres really no point in trying to be secretive or coy about where the mining is good, tbh. planets and moons are big, if you take the same precautions you would on aberdeen or whatever, you're unlikely to run unto anyone out in the wild

[coarse ember]

the difference being in pyro you'll get attacked just for mining

i havent seen another soul on aberdeen or daymar

[lament wigeon]

i mean that happened to me in stanton too 😛

[coarse ember]

actually i realized i lied, i have seen someone else on daymar mining

like 2 days ago

also iirc decoupleds reasoning for it was pirates knowing of a good spot to check

[last bear]

can you only autoload certain ships

i almost never get an option for my conny taurus

or if i select in commodity it says choose a eligible location etc

[leaden monolith]

The terminal list of your ships is messed up. If you have more than one ship at a location you have to select them one by one until you find the one that has the correct cargo scu. If it is the only ship then select yourself and that should work.

[last bear]

ah interesting

ive seen 2 of myself pop up

in the terminal

so maybe thats it

[coarse ember]

was about to say lol

[last bear]

appreciate it!

[coarse ember]

is kinda annoying but not at all compared to some of the other bugs you might encounter before selling on foot lol

[fallen atlas]

any idea why I'm struggling to break certai nhadanite rocks with the ROC?

Is it just not powerful enought for all of em?

[coarse ember]

usually i crank laser to full power and wait and that gets all of em, outside of that dunno since hadanite is roc/hand mineable only

medium and hard rocks take much longer than the easy ones that seem to melt like butter

[fallen atlas]

yeah all but 2 of these rocks no issues. They do happen to be the largest looking of the group though

gonna reposition on them and see

also does the roc get damaged from regular fracturing or just overcharging

[coarse ember]

afaik just overcharge
another trick i like to use is max out the bar on the left for optimal distance just enough that its max optimal range but not overcharge range

[fallen atlas]

I honestly never noticed that range indicator lmfao

these two rocks jsut taking significantly longer. It's working tho

[coarse ember]

it would help with some small text indicating it other than "optimal" but i could see the ui getting cluttered if they did that

once you get used to the mining ui from a roc or prospector it's much the same across except hand mining

[fallen atlas]

this is also like unreadable lmao

[humble merlin]

Suppose to be just from overcharging but I noticed sometimes a gem will fly out fast enough to damage the roc a little

At least that's what seems like happens

[fallen atlas]

okay yeac cause I thought I saw the same

but no indication of actual damage to the ROC yet

[hasty lintel]

You'll find out when it breaks your engine

Accidentally overcharged a Hadanite node and it broke the engine on my Roc

Straight up unable to move and systems got shut off

[fallen atlas]

I'm not worried about the overcharging. I know that hurts haha

[fallen atlas]

Confused as to how I can only sell 16 at a time 🤔

[floral copper]

Is mining a viable way to make money in 4.0? or is it still borked? Wondering if it's worth it to get the mole.

[pastel flame]

Short answer yes

[copper apex]

With the rework - salvage or cargo?

[pastel flame]

For pure income?

[copper apex]

yes

[pastel flame]

Batching small planetary cargo missions

[copper apex]

fair enough

[pastel flame]

7 per batch, 350k per trip

[copper apex]

Im running with a taurus, so thats not bad at all

Jesus

How is salvage?

[pastel flame]

Taurus is perfect, it's what I use

[copper apex]

Fair enough

[copper apex]

They nerfed salvage into the ruddy ground

34 SCU made 287k

[cedar token]

Should still be selling for roughly 10.5k at Orison.

Or at least I did a couple nights ago.

Though if you are running purely for profit, and have the Taurus, best to just stick with the batch of 7 cargo missions. Then when you need a break from that, go sit in a Vulture for a bit.

[winter basin]

How’s mining in pyro? Heard terminus asteroid rings are supposed to be good but I’m finding nothing so far

[pastel flame]

Yeah, sells for 10k ea at starlight too

[pastel flame]

They're good, lots of taranite and quant

[winter basin]

Surface mining on pyro 4 is horrific, barely any deposits lol

Ring mining doesn’t have many Q type either, I’m finding much more S, E, M types which I guess is to be expected

[last bear]

where can i sell direlected ship parts i went to a station on the way back from pyro at the pyro gate and couldn't sell them there

[humble merlin]

I don't think you can sell ship parts at all right now

[last bear]

thats ruthless

[humble merlin]

It's because you can dupe parts

[last bear]

rip

[humble merlin]

Once they find a fix for duping parts they'll let you sell them again

[knotty dove]

man trading is profitable 850k cargo with 180k profit is nice

[humble merlin]

How many SCU's are you moving?

[knotty dove]

48SCU

[humble merlin]

What commodity is worth that much for so little SCU?

[knotty dove]

Fresh food

[humble merlin]

Okay so you weren't moving all 850k at once I see

I thought you meant in one haul

[knotty dove]

i did

but i did get lucky with supply

[humble merlin]

hmm that could be why it's not popping up on SC trade tools

in trade routes

Only pops up if "allow wait times" is selected

So supply issue

[knotty dove]

Fresh food is great if you deal with less than 50SCU becouse of supply

[nimble pilot]

!tradetools

[jolly dagger]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[nimble pilot]

What is the route for fresh food?

[knotty dove]

https://sc-trade.tools/home

[viral crown]

Where’s best to sell hadanite in pyro?

[knotty dove]

if i look at SC trade tools there is hydrogen fuel commodity so i can buy hydrogen fuel at stanton and sell it in Pyro?

[crimson mantle]

I haven't tested how that works with the starfarer, but it might work

[knotty dove]

I might try it since i have SF to

[knotty dove]

Gonna try it but looks like its not worth it

[crimson mantle]

Jackson swap on monox, otherwise ruin station

[viral crown]

Thanks. So nothing planet-side on Pyro IV?

[crimson mantle]

Nothing that's been reported to us at least

[knotty dove]

you can remove Hydrogen fuel and quantum fuel you cannot sell it at Ruin station as your website says

[knotty dove]

man loving 200k+profit trade runs using 600i

[red lion]

How’s the loading/unload for it? What’s the scu?

[knotty dove]

80SCU simply lower vehicle lift and yeet boxes inside on the edges of garage

[cunning agate]

I hate to say this but industrial is really unforgiving with how the servers are at the moment.

The amount of vulnerabilities you have to surmount are very high.

[red lion]

Oh nice. It doesn’t like rattle the ship into pieces? lol

[knotty dove]

not yet, but i do avoid putting boxes on elevator since i dont trust it

[red lion]

Trust in anything in 4.0? I have a 30% get out of my hanger successfully ratio

[sonic forum]

Maybe this could be useful for someone, not my post

[quiet night]

Indeed, biggest issues I have found so far are the ships vanishing while unloading with what ever cargo was on it, you can call the ship straight from storage but the cargo on it has long gone, had this 4 times today over the course of 5 hours which means you can not complete any hauling missions, So I tired salvaging in a Vulture, same thing again, landed, took one box out and ship vanished while im stood in it, only saving grace with that was I had the hopper full of rmc and after calling the ship back out I managed to unload that straight out the hopper and get it outside the ship, all the stuff on the cargo grid had once again vanished

[crimson mantle]

Will do, very unfortunate 😢

[cunning agate]

It’s sad because these sorts of activities are richer and deeper but of course they require interactions and interdependencies that make you vulnerable to loss.

[quiet night]

Indeed, thankfully it was only time I lost, I’m also fortunate enough my ships are pledged, I just enjoy playing the game so I can help others with cash for their in game ships, on the plus side I got to practice my landings and tractor beam skills..

[pastel flame]

You can only buy about a tank and a half of q and h each stop, not worth

[cunning agate]

Friend and I found out you do NOT put 2000 gems in a 2 SCU container. The server does not like having 2000 entities shown to it at once.

[icy island]

anyone know what the current state of saddle bags is?

do they contain anything? can they be moved and replaced and used for their intended purpose or are they still useless placeholders?

[quiet night]

I also learned today that the atls mech has about a 50% chance to try and fold me in half like a pretzel when I get in or out of it, I’ve used more med pens today trying to use it than the last 3 years 😂

[copper apex]

What is RMC selling for in pyro?

[pastel flame]

10k

[copper apex]

So they still nerfed the shit out of salvage>

[pastel flame]

Nah

It's not quite as lucrative the old way but it's still very good

I would highly recommend moving to Pyro though, it's balanced around that imo

[sonic forum]

@pallid talon I need to tell you, i feel happy that i own the Starlancer MAX again

Let’s see how good it is on Pyro!

[pallid talon]

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[dark stone]

!tradetools

[jolly dagger]

SC Trade Tools

One-stop-shop for everything trade related in Star Citizen: best trade routes, best mining spots, etc.

[cunning agate]

The ROC will kill you too. Not Space OSHA approved.

[inner sinew]

USing Atlas i been launched out of it and killed any workaround for that?

[chilly lake]

Was the price of commodities changed again recently? Bexalite was more a few days ago than it is now

[coarse ember]

i dont think so, perhaps just less people trading since they have money for other game loops so value went up

[chilly lake]

Do the prices go up and down now then? Depending on the supply and demand?

[coarse ember]

yep, iirc it's worked like that for awhile, i vaugely remember seeing rmc prices drop from 15 to 14k per scu from when there was the ghost cargo dupe while it was still a unpatched issue

i'll see if i can find a source to check myself lol

okay yeah it has worked like that for at least the last 7 months which was around the time of the cargo dupe bug so maybe they reworked it back then after serving out suspensions for exploiting

[chilly lake]

Cheers mate

[pastel flame]

Maze has been fluctuating between 180-220k roughly

[vital juniper]

How is mining this patch?

[steep hamlet]

Which places in Pyro is ROC farming possible? Or the best places atleast

[viral crown]

I did ok for Hadanite on Pyro IV

wouldn't say it was much of a farm but there was plenty of it lying around

[brisk gorge]

Any suggestions for a new miner starting out? I keep only finding impossible astroids.

[sly ravine]

WHere to mine the new minerals on pyro?

[polar matrix]

anyway to crack these rocks?

a mole is the only way to do them?

[leaden reef]

Did you try putting on one of those devices

Sabir?

[solar wasp]

What are the payouts looking like for Hauling experienced + ranks?

[solar wasp]

What are you mining with? Prospector? Mole? ROC? - Rented or Owned?

[tropic barn]

anyone know how to load the cargo at the outpost that near Yang's Place to complete First Hauling in Pyro?

[brisk gorge]

Prospector at the moment. Rented, so can't change mining heads currently.

[solar wasp]

Are you trying to planet mine or astroid mine with it?

[brisk gorge]

Astroid right now. Outside Arc L1 refinery

[solar wasp]

I usually recommend planet mining with it until you can buy your own rig. Daymar is pretty good. Gold will fetch a good price and very rarely you will find some rocks with quantanium that the rented prospector can actually mine. It's not too too far from a refinery as well.

[ocean compass]

used to be you can manually change the module & the mining head afyi, on the rented prospector. check youtube for the video

[lament wigeon]

Ignis

[sonic forum]

Hey good guys

I just left Lorville where i spent tons of credits buying a Prospector, both the ROCs, some Tumbrils and bla bla bla

And i’m ready to become a miner ⛏️ for the first time

In Pyro, what you think would be a good base to start? Something with a refinery and not excessively far from the area of operations would be awesome

[spare cloud]

Both the ROC ?

[sonic forum]

ROC and ROC DS

[spare cloud]

I know

But why

[sonic forum]

Why not?

[spare cloud]

Because DS

[sonic forum]

Oh well i got it for some operations with friends, wanted to try it. Cheap as hell, i just bought several things that i never used. I mean 100k… it’s literally a single mercenary mission on Pyro

[main grove]

How do you auto load cargo into your ship from missions, not from buying and selling.

[humble merlin]

I feel like it is more enjoyable to just buy multiple rocs

Can fit 2 of regular roc in a C1 and then you and your buddy can mine at the same time

[sonic forum]

Probably i can do that, i’m still near Lorville, I haven’t thought about buying 2x basic ROCs

My base is a Starlancer so for sure i can fit em

[humble merlin]

Should fit no problem

This is in a C1

Still plenty of room

[spare cloud]

You don't

You can't auto (un)load hauling contracts

[main grove]

That sucks. Thanks.

[knotty dove]

only Hull C can auto load/unload cargo from hauling missions

[main grove]

Ye only downfall for me doing C2 cargo is that it takes so long to load and unload that by the time I finish one trip I log off as it takes so long.

[limpid dove]

How accurate is uex right now for pyro com hauling?

[knotty dove]

TBH i prefere SC trade tools

[limpid dove]

I tried using it, it's confusing, I'll try and give it a go again

[knotty dove]

its easier than uex for me or im just biased

[crimson mantle]

We're always interested to hear any feedback on usability!

[limpid dove]

I'll sit with the tool today as uex doesn't seem to be accurate right now,

I'll definitely provide feedback with any challenges etc 🫡

[digital echo]

uex doesn't seem to be 100% accurate, SC Trade tools seems to be more accurate atm.

[chilly lake]

Are the 50k salvage contracts the highest or is there a step after that?

[ebon cedar]

Hey guys. Is it possible to mine asteroids in Pyro only ? And where ?

[livid briar]

How many arrow contacts do you do to get past them lol

[livid briar]

It is my understanding the mining data historically was client side and could be scraped from game files .. now it is server side and we don't know anything yet but through limited trial and error

[leaden reef]

has anyone flown a full hull c through the jump point?

[crude thunder]

I did a couple in 3.24 and after 1-2 Arrows I started getting higher end Salvage contract options

[livid briar]

I stopped at 5 and still only see arrow missions in 4

[drifting cave]

How do people manage to stack seven hauling contracts to the same location?

I can only ever get two

[pastel flame]

I'm not sure what they did but it was like this on PTU, brutal

[pastel flame]

Go to orbital station, look for direct planetary haul

[drifting cave]

do they respawn after you pick them up or do I just need to get lucky

[pastel flame]

I have literally never had less than 5 missions show up for orbital to planet, but yeah, might have to do with bad server health

I'd suggest another planetary locale if it's not working well there

[nimble pilot]

^^^

[somber stone]

hello, is it possible to store full ore bags on station, to claim them later?

[chilly lake]

I did one 1k salvage, then a couple 5k ones I think, then 20k, and now 50k. I can't remember if there was another step

[pastel flame]

Strongly recommend not doing anything of the sort

Better to just do the refinery order

[somber stone]

sad noises do they bug out?

[pastel flame]

They don't have an attach point on the bottom, so they will come up in the elevator hanging underneath inaccessible.

[somber stone]

oh

[pastel flame]

If you were throwing them off, putting them immediately back on a prospector or something, you might be okay but it's still extremely risky right now with inventory

I have swapped out multiple prospector bags with argo this patch, lost a 2000 hadanite 2scu box to inventory glitch

[somber stone]

got it, thank you

[coarse stag]

How are we enjoying trade right now, team?

[knotty dove]

very when i trust the game enough

[coarse stag]

I see a potential route to haul ice from Stanton to Checkmate. Sounds fun. 🤔

[feral steeple]

Trade is ok when the warehouse elevator works and doesn't eat your cargo

[livid briar]

Are you seeing any cargo on the big contracts? Hard to warrant paying 50k when the unverified contracts pay you instead

[digital echo]

It's been the only thing that works for me consistently, and how I have made my millions.

[chilly lake]

Yeah I see cargo but you can only take it if you tow the ship outside of armistice

[exotic bane]

or do them in pyro

[sullen rain]

Anyone been running with a Hull C lately? Been thinking about exercising my C's legs

[chilly lake]

There's a janky workaround to this - put a layer of 1scu boxes on the surface of the elevator then have the bags on top

[pastel flame]

Good tip, this worked 1/5 times for me but it still had a lot of issues. I just took mine from a soft deathed NPC MOLE

[coarse stag]

That sounds disastrous. 👀

[feral steeple]

Lost a couple of mil but getting back it now, it does suck

Knowing 2 mil stuck in an elevator and if they patch it goes poof

[brisk gorge]

After 34k credits...i can confirm this is the case... 😭

[coarse ember]

i'm just being a mini bank with like 300k rn, most of the time i'm on the not so lucky end so i only get on to pay for peoples fines then logoff again

[pastel flame]

Sometimes you gotta find out for yourself, this is the way.

[knotty dove]

im on 1.3mil atm, but due to increased ocurance of blackscreens i stopped trading and im only looting atm

[rose forge]

do missions payout everyone in full, or do they split?

[coarse stag]

Splits in my experience yesterday. 50k mission became 16k per person in my group.

[sonic forum]

I definitely got paid in full.

When running in a duo

[rose forge]

the question is, what missions do and dont?

[sonic forum]

Not sure. We did mercenary ground missions. I was supposed to get 120k and i got exactly 120k.

[rose forge]

ok, so it looks like cargo missions are the only ones that dont pay out in full then

[lucid pendant]

Hey all - can anyone give any advise on cargo hauling missions?

I've been running about 10 stacked and the elevator doesn't register the cargo I'm putting down.

Do the missions require specific boxes or doesn't it matter so long as the SCU requirements are met?

[sonic forum]

Bugged as hell.

That’s not on you, you are probably doing good.

[lucid pendant]

Ok - thanks. I was wondering if the missions required specific boxes of a particular size - and if so how am I supposed to track it all. The boxes don't seem to be labelled at all.

I'm managing my missions on a spreadsheet

[sharp flicker]

is there anyway I can get SCU boxes with my loot inside from the freight elevator?

[sullen rain]

Yeah, in the item manager screen on the terminals for personal inventory, click the open button on the Storage container and drag items into it, then go to the elevator and call that box up

[tall linden]

It's been working for me about 50-60% of the time 😦

[coarse stag]

60% of the time, it works every time.

[thick folio]

Does pyro only have trainee level missions for hauling? 🤔

[shy coral]

are planet mineables not working for the prospector?

[heady remnant]

I wanna rent a taurus to do some hauling, I have a c1 right now, is it worth it?

[ocean compass]

c1 is good enough

not really sure if you think 160k per day rental is worth or not lol

but its my opinion

[stable osprey]

what are good commodities to trade in Stanton? Not sure if its better to do the cargo contracts or just trade

[nimble pilot]

Also want to know too^

[copper apex]

So is there any downside to just doing small cargo missions?

Like do you not earn as much XP for Rep?

[vale pumice]

does anybody know why i can't finish my first trade mission, like it said, i take 8scu of corundum, it appears has 1 big boxes of 8 scu, the problem is that when i want to move that boxe to the warehouse to finish the mission, it doesn't show me the option where i select the mission objective, so it just put the big boxe in my warehouse

[leaden monolith]

When you click the down button on the freight elevator there should be a pop up asking you to confirm that the cargo is for that mission. If it isn't showing that then the mission is bugged. I assumed you got the Corundum from the freight elevator at the pick up point and didn't just buy Corundum. If you bought it the contract will fail as it has to be from the freight elevator.

[leaden monolith]

Back in 3.24 as long as the mission you're doing is at the level you're at then small, medium etc. all give the same rep. I'm assuming it still works this way as I haven't been paying much attention in 4.0. So for the best rep/mission only take Rookie missions for Rookie level rep Junior missions at Junior rep and so on.

[vale pumice]

thanks bro im so dumb, i thought it was like in the previous version where i needed to buy by myself ok ok thanks a lot bud

[main grove]

Im at a station on a planet. Just bought some cargo, but I don't see an option to auto load.

[vale pumice]

no more autoload

you have to buy a big tractor beam

like the one they sell in every cargo center on station

[olive wagon]

Hi people. In 4.0 did they change how refinery orders are delivered?

Do you still need a ship to pick up a refinery order or can it be sent to the station cargo so I can pack my C1 properly?

[coral jolt]

has to be sent to a ship

wouldn't even bother though, the amount of times i go out and black screen and come back dead are outweighing the times i come back with anything to refine. games a joke right now

[knotty dove]

yeah blackscreens are biggest game stopers atm

[olive wagon]

Damn. Was hoping this changed. I have lost a great deal of cargo to ships spawning half clipping through the hangar floor.

[knotty dove]

never had this issue tbh

[next temple]

Is ship salvaging as profitable as the panels now or is it still pretty lopsided?

[cunning agate]

S T I L E R O N

[knotty dove]

where did you found it?

[zenith ocean]

Does anyone knows if rock mining is working on 4.0?

[olive wagon]

Yes. ROC mining is great in 4.0. They fixed the issue with gems falling through the surface after the break (I mean they fall but seem to float back up so you can collect them). But try to drive slowly, you can blow up if you ram the ROC into stuff very easily.

[zenith ocean]

Ty

[frank parcel]

Hello, I'm looking for a loadout for the Mole in which it'll be crewed by 2 people. Could anyone suggest which purchasable things I should pick up to kit it out?

[crude thunder]

Question about hand salvage.. it stores the RMC into containers but the wiki only really discusses using those to patch hulls. Are we able to sell the RMC containers from hand mining, who to and is it worth the struggle?

[spare cloud]

They couldn't be sold a few patches ago, not sure if that's still the case or not

What's sure is it isn't worth the hassle at all if you're trying to make money

[crude thunder]

Yeah it was a passing thought, found a video from a year ago someone filled near 100 of the small handed canisters and sold them to TDD but it looked like a nightmare. It might be worth attempting again after 4.0 is live, maybe a way to toss them all into a 1scu cargo box to sell in one go. I don't think the video showed the larger rifle salvager so it's something to try. But likely mining is still better

[wraith cairn]

hmm, how are the profits from it? Im just thinking of different ways to utilize my zeus mk2 cl for profit

[olive wagon]

Well Hadanite is 437 per piece, so pretty good.
But if you want fast money with the Zeus, chaining hauling missions is still best.

[wraith cairn]

Atm been switching between hauling, bunkers and bounty hunting(MRTs are easy so far, but I know it wont be good for VHRTs)

I like to mix it up, so I guess Il try ROC mining again too ^_^

[sullen rain]

Is it possible to do station to station hauling with a hull C, like if I just loaded up on a dozen or so large contracts to the same station, would it work?

[frozen elk]

Weren't we supposed to get paid for salvage contracts now?

[vale vortex]

As far as I'm aware no, it has been always pay to pick the contract and just the earning are from the RMC you get salvaging the ships.-

[cloud condor]

is there a good place for hauling contracts?

[frozen elk]

I’d swear I saw vids of legal salvage missions with actual payouts just a few weeks ago when it was still in the PTU

[weak wharf]

Are there any lawful DC FPS missions?

[frozen elk]

Yeah, gotta grind some regular merc contracts first though

Kopion contracts work well for that actually

[cloud condor]

what are the best paces in the whole verse to go salvage panels?

[shrewd hinge]

Are 16 or 32 scu containers sold anywhere?

[spare cloud]

Storage ? No

[shrewd hinge]

8 the largest buyable?

[spare cloud]

Yep

[shrewd hinge]

That sucks

[static island]

is there somewhere better to sell rmc than orison?

[cloud condor]

a moon of Pyro V

a place called Seer's canyon

[crimson mantle]

Orison is great because the price is fair, but mostly because demand is high.
You can risk the other locations, they might pay better if they are not full

[cloud condor]

@static islandwhere do you go salvage?

[crimson mantle]

I like cru-l1 or cru-l2, fill up on panels and then back to Orison. Nice and simple 😄

[cloud condor]

any good place in Pyro?

[last bear]

What's the best commodity with mega stock to run in a c2?

Auto loading n off loading etc

Limited to stations

[crimson mantle]

Depends on the budget, but medical supplies is one of them.
Be aware that autoloading and unloading can destroy your ship.

I can't link anymore on this server, but if you put 20k in the "expanded view -> min inventory capacity" field of the website, you'll only get high availability routes.

[latent pasture]

so me and my buddy in our reclaimer; we killed a dude in his A2

we were able to take his colossus bombs

can we sell them anywhere?

or will they just vanish the second he claims the shipo

[knotty dove]

dont take my word, but apperently its not worth selling them since CIG nerfed sell price to prevent insurance fraud. No bombs are yours or your buddys

[latent pasture]

nah random player who was tryna kill us whilst we were selling at samson

[novel harness]

How much can you make pyro mining with a mole and where/what should you mine

[pastel flame]

Get yourself started in the Terminus belt. Look for Taranite, bexalite and gold, with an emphasis on Taranite.

[novel harness]

How much do you estimate this will earn an hour?

with medium luck

[pastel flame]

That is going to vary way, way too wildly on your skill level

It's less about luck

You could make 500k in 15 minutes or an hour

The absolute best you can do is 3 really efficient players, 1 scout 2 MOLE crew, but the more people you add the more it matters what everyone's doing with their time

[novel harness]

currently a duo, we mined alot of qt back in the day so we got some skill

[pastel flame]

Ok so you actually do know what you're doing!

[novel harness]

dont know the current prices

[pastel flame]

Ya. Do some scouting missions to other moons if you like surface, but IMO the best pure cash is 100% in terminus belt right now.

[novel harness]

where is it located?

[pastel flame]

Taranite is very high spawn in terminus belt, and you refine it at Ruin, then sell it at, you guessed it, Ruin.

It's around Terminus in pyro

[novel harness]

can i mine with stock stuff? too poor to buy a mole and we are renting one

@pastel flame

[pastel flame]

Yeah, especially in a MOLE. Then you will appreciate the upgrades later

matters more in a prospector

[sonic forum]

[copper apex]

Is scrappers turn generally safe?

[tacit bone]

What is in an igneous deposit?

trying to find hadanite while flying around aberdeen and im not sure what i need to look for on the scanner

[pastel flame]

Fly close to the ground and look for outcrops that appear within 5km

[tacit bone]

oh, i see now, needed to find my scanning MFD, my bad

[pastel flame]

If it appears 8km+ it's not roc mining

[tacit bone]

i found some rocks with laranite, is that worth it?

/ is there an online resource that can help me determine what is worth mining?

[pastel flame]

Yeah, google some sheets, there's some great info I like uexcorp for overall commodity prices. There are some good mining sheets out there.

For ship mining you only want bexalite, gold, taranite. Or Quant if you feel lucky and can break it.

[tacit bone]

what about for ROC mining?

[pastel flame]

Hadanite only, avoid Aberdeen respectfully it's a noob trap

If you want to stay in Stanton, check out Daymar

[tacit bone]

lol good to know about aberdeen, thank you for all of your help!

[pastel flame]

Cheers. Last piece of advice - grab a 1 scu box from a cargo area at a station. Bring it along, snap it on your ship's grid, and move your hadanite into it after each mining stop.

Never fill a 2 scu

[craggy tapir]

i see star whaler max

great ship

[tacit bone]

why never fill a 2 scu? (i brought a 4scu smh)

[frozen elk]

Rooted through past videos to find this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbTwHI8OXI

[sonic forum]

Yeah i own one as well!

[zenith ocean]

hello. where can i find a Pembroke Exploration Suit?

[coarse ember]

usually flying 1km up from ground and anything within 2.8-3km has been hadanite for me, once in awhile tho theres a crazy cluster of dolvine or aphorite it picks up

another trick i also use is anything below 5k for a scan sig i ignore

[coarse ember]

unfortunately they dont seem to be available in-game buyables rn, likely a bug or a mistake somewhere

[zenith ocean]

any alternatives for suit?

[coarse ember]

you'd only really need it on aberdeen, theres hadanite on daymar in decent supply too and and you dont really need any special heat protection like the pembroke offers

[hasty lintel]

Anyone have a guide on drug trading?

[hoary badger]

I'm having trouble selling some goods on my Hull C on the 4.0 preview, did they change how it works?

[stray viper]

You can wear heavy armor which will give you about five minutes before you have to go back into your ship to cool off. I've been doing fine in a Morozov set, which you can buy at Everus.

[tall vigil]

Does the MaxLift use batteries now in 4.0? Or are they still useless?

[coarse ember]

they're still useless

[cloud condor]

how abouth the mule?

[near swallow]

Mule needs a redesign to make it actually useful

[pure kernel]

can we not sell stuff directly from the ship any more? Trying to sell some salvage without unloading it, it tells me "Select a valid inventory"

[near swallow]

Auto-unloading in theory is supposed to exist, but the ship would have to be stored. I'm also not sure it actually works with RMC/CM.

[leaden monolith]

The ship list at the terminal is bugged. You have to go through the list selecting ships until you find the one that has the correct cargo scu. For me the last two times I tried the ship to select was actually the second one above the actual ship.

[karmic mortar]

I'm trying to use the autoload feature for cargo, but whenever I try to buy cargo I'm getting "cargo transfer failed", I'm made certain my ship is stored and I have more than enough money for the cargo.
Any ideas?

[near swallow]

Contribute to an IC about it, and use manual loading for now

[pastel flame]

Because the inventory sometimes cannot handle it, I lost a 2 scu box full this way

[shy coral]

can mole bags still be used on a prospector?

[hasty lintel]

yes

[hasty lintel]

however, dont buy them

cargo elevator bugs out when bringing them up

so they gltich into the floor and dissapear

[shy coral]

shieet anyone wanna make a contribution to the common wealth?

[hasty lintel]

You gotta put your stuff into the freight elevator and lower it down

[pastel flame]

Soft death a MOLE or scavenge one, there's lots of NPC mole debris laying around pyro stations

[shy coral]

damn i gotta go to pyro

[shy coral]

is it better to mine in pyro than stanton?

[pastel flame]

In my opinion yes.

[near swallow]

IMHO there'd be a bit more of a chance of getting blown up by another player in Pyro then Stanton, but how much, I'm not sure right now.

[shy coral]

do you still just moon mine? or no

[pastel flame]

Surface mining is a huge waste of time for anything but a MOLE crew with a scout, better to mine the Terminus belt if you're solo prospector.

[copper apex]

Can you turn vulture 1 SCU boxes into multi SCU boxes?

[shy coral]

bruh

i've been surface mining with the prospector in stanton for no reason then

[pastel flame]

Extremely low

[pastel flame]

Basically yes. Do you want the rundown?

[shy coral]

should i just mine around refineries then?

[copper apex]

Like I know you cant in the ship, but what about at a port

[shy coral]

no only 1 scu boxes

[humble merlin]

No, there's still no way to change SCU boxes

[pastel flame]

Just gonna copy pasta

Terminus Belt is by far and away the top profit to be had mining solo or duo right now. I feel strongly about this because in my mind, mining is mostly about efficiently finding good rocks, not just finding good rocks.

Terminus has two major points going for it, one of which no other station has which massively saves you time. The first, which is not so different from Yela it seems at first glance, is that it's a belt right against a station. This means I can depart, and in 3-4 minutes be already scanning.

But the second, bigger point is the refining and selling potential. Ruin has a refinery, and on top of that you can sell the Taranite right back to their admin for top dollar. What this effectively means is any Taranite you mine in Terminus is worth significantly more because of how quick the turnaround on it is - you have literally an entire mining trip worth of extra time for having chosen Ruin.

In my opinion this becomes only more true as you add more people. Whether it's taking time to get going, finding the right rock, cracking a big rock, if you are limited to prospectors you shouldn't leave Terminus if it's about cash only.

That's my take on solo prospector right now based on a lot of personal exp in Pyro

It's more real info than you will see about mining anywhere right now but i'm just an average citizen

4th best money in the game right now 😛

[shy coral]

so you dont even refine?

[pastel flame]

I do

Ruin is both a refinery and a buying location

You have to run your gold and bexalite someplace, i'll let you figure out the best location for that in Pyro but it's easy to do.

But the taranite, you literally store it from refinery onto your cargo ship, call the ship, move the cargo into the elevator, sell

[shy coral]

so what are the contenders?

[pastel flame]

Pyro bounties, stanton bounties+cargo selling, cargo missions, mining=salvage

[humble merlin]

Seems about right to me

[pastel flame]

I welcome opposing opinions but I haven't seen anyone even at my rep talk here yet

In a few days everyone will know

[humble merlin]

I haven't even touched pyro yet but just from my perspective, the more active/dangerous a gameplay loop is, the more rewarding it should be

[pastel flame]

The deepest aUEC meta right now is so greasy I can't bring myself to share it, but it's related to everything I just told you and will be obvious as you walk that path

[humble merlin]

Mining/Salvage being the most laid back and being lower than bounties and cargo makes sense to me

[pastel flame]

Yeah... and with the right crew you can make great money doing either one, too. It's not to be looked down upon.

[humble merlin]

Yeah

[pastel flame]

But as usual, murder, mission abuse and cargo

My best hour was 4.8 million so far

[copper apex]

Damn, thanks yall

Im doing multiple runs then loading into a taurus, so its just a pain in the ass

[humble merlin]

Yeah

Eventually we'll be able to merge boxes or break down boxes

[pastel flame]

Yeah, it's rough. I look forward to either a multigrab tractor or being able to once again store small boxes in big boxes

[humble merlin]

I would kill for a multigrab tractor

[pastel flame]

Yep... scroll to make it's "grid" bigger or smaller

Fun to imagine, hard to implement

[vestal ravine]

Jeez how much is the Mole?

[pastel flame]

9 mil

[vestal ravine]

Okay challenge on Mr. Reclaimer!

[copper apex]

Holy fuck

I just found 24k field - with 6 large panels

God I wish I was in a reclaimer right now

[shy coral]

I just started mining cause I couldn't get the hauling missions to work in pyro

[copper apex]

How is the mining in pyro?

[shy coral]

Don't know I've been mining in Stanton

[near swallow]

Hauling wasn't working any better for me in Stanton, no cargo

[shy coral]

Just got the prospector so I figured I'd give it a couple dry runs before trying in Pyro

[near swallow]

Worked yesterday though

[shy coral]

I like mining cause I can set up 5 work orders and then bebop around

[near swallow]

Don't have a mining ship right now, and not sure if I want to rent a prospector

[sonic forum]

Someone of you guys got a good mining setup for the Prospector? My knowledge of mining heads is zero

I’m running a stock Prospector, looking to change something

[copper apex]

Is there any way to put a personal beacon to come back to an area?

[stray viper]

Sure, a hoverquad

[tiny prairie]

Smart.

[pastel flame]

Helix, reiger c3, stampede is my current fav setup

If you don't like using active focus 3 is nice

But use at least 1 active

Surge cant be bought in pyro so i go stampy

[sonic forum]

Nice, thank you! Will take a look to that!

[pastel flame]

There's actually a lot of decent options so i'd love to hear your findings down the road

[shy coral]

like the gadgets?

[coarse ember]

finally going to check out ignis, i pray the om marker doesnt softdeath my ship again

[pastel flame]

No, I advise avoiding gadgets for now due to their expense.

[shy coral]

wait what is an active then?

[pastel flame]

There are mining modules you can put on any mining laser head, some only accommodate one, others 2-3.

Some are "passive" and just stay on there all the time doing something. Others are consumable but give powerful buffs.

[shy coral]

oh cause i have the hofstede S1 and the rieger C3

[pastel flame]

Also a good combo, less power but way more forgiving.

[sonic forum]

Will definitely do! Need to say, i’m having a lot of fun with the prospector

I got some TIN

[pastel flame]

Did you get out to Terminus?

[sonic forum]

As now i tried only Pyro 1, Bloom and some asteroid belts to mine, on planets i haven’t had a lot of luck, only a group of rocks was working

The rest was bugged

[pastel flame]

FUck planet surfaces especially solo mining

I just mean terminus belt, it's BiS

[sonic forum]

What you found?

[pastel flame]

It's got high levels of quant, taranite, bex, gold. And the real ultra power is that you can refine and sell the taranite all at Ruin.

No delivery required

Take the Bex and Gold to Rat's

[sonic forum]

I got some quantanium at RAB GULF. Fuck i need to go home

I don’t want to blow up

[pastel flame]

Ya you're running low on time there, that's an impound for me, haha

[shy coral]

helix 1 or 2?

[pastel flame]

2 is for the mole

[shy coral]

im probably gonna try your setup out

[pastel flame]

Try it!

[shy coral]

wait so when would i use the stampede?

[pastel flame]

Wehn trying to crack a rock that reads "impossible"

One to get into optimum window, potentially but not always another to stay there long enough.

Like last night I ran into about a 17k "impossible" taranite rock, and was able to crack it only because of Stampede - it was a huge haul for a prospector with mole bags on

[shy coral]

what is the scanning reading i should be looking for when scanning a belt?

is there a specific number or just random

[pastel flame]

Anything that isn't a multiple of 2000

[sonic forum]

it probably sucks, but at the very start i'm just taking the majority of what i find. At least i got already 2 work orders.

[near swallow]

When I went mining, I'd mine whatever rocks I found and refine everything I could. Worked for me.

[shy coral]

also do the mole bags save to the ship?

[pastel flame]

Yeah, you just have to store it, take off a gun or something, save, put the gun back on, save

Basically just save it with the bags on somehow

[pastel flame]

YOu can get picky later when you see what's good, I only stop for the top 4

[shy coral]

alright cause im gonna load 5 work orders at crusader and try to go to pyro

[near swallow]

Mole bags you don't own though will vanish with the next patch

[pastel flame]

I just got mine from a soft deathed npc mole

[near swallow]

Yeah, those will likely vanish

[sonic forum]

That’s probably the way once you want to be 100% efficient. As now not worth it, i got SHITTY components
Tomorrow will upgrade from your list, at least it’s a good starting point, maybe later i will try also some personal combinations

I’m at Orbituary, how’s the selling situation here? I really never mined in Pyro

If i need to move cargo around i definitely can

With the MISC whale 🐳

[pastel flame]

Check out uexcorp, it will show you what's best for the lesser ones

[sonic forum]

Already up and running for 4.0? Reliable?

[pastel flame]

Yep

[sonic forum]

Then awesome

I’ll use that one

[near swallow]

UEX uses the same data as SC Trade Tools

[shy coral]

is there a button for the stampede?

[near swallow]

They partnered up a while ago, so people submit data using SC Trade Tools app, and both sites get access to it.

[pastel flame]

alt+1, 2, etc

Depends on the slot

I just use it

[sonic forum]

I heard around that you can.. aehm.. borrow the ore bags from the Mole for the Prospector..

Still working?

[pastel flame]

Yes

[sonic forum]

That’s absolutely necessary then

[near swallow]

Spent an hour trying to do hauling missions in SC, and got nowhere thanks to bugs. Tempted to just wait for them to fix some of these issues before playing again, but I probably won't wait.

[pastel flame]

It certainly helps

[near swallow]

Mining bags on freight elevators isn't fixed yet though

[pastel flame]

Alas

They did make them easier to swap at least.

[sonic forum]

So let’s see if i get it

I need to take em from a destroyed MOLE outside the station

Or something similar?

[near swallow]

You could get bags from any Mole

[sonic forum]

Buying them and moving them in the hangar with the freight elevator works?

[near swallow]

Sometimes players will let another player get bags from their Mole, and then go reclaim it

[pastel flame]

Yep or ask a kind MOLE or equipped prospector

[near swallow]

You do not want to store/retrieve Mole bags on a freight elevator period

[sonic forum]

Nice, then i’ll do this

[near swallow]

Take them off a Mole with multi-tool tractor beam, attach to Prospector. Then go store the Prospector to save the state.

[sonic forum]

Very good, thanks for the help guys
Tomorrow i’ll look to find a MOLE user

Or someone that got em on the propsy

Prospy* lmfao

[near swallow]

Remember that you'll need to unlock ports to add/remove components manually, like bags

[sonic forum]

Luckily i know the basics
The only thing that i really DON’T KNOW is mining, very first time that i approach it

[near swallow]

I started mining by using a Cutty Black and Roc to get a basic idea how it works, then bought a Mole later. Back in 3.22.

But all of those were bought in game

[sonic forum]

Got a ROC as well, it’s very funny but need to be honest i find the Prospector MORE cool to use, personal feeling

Remaining in a spaceship is quite comfy

[near swallow]

Eventually apparently there will be uses for hand mining, Roc mining, and ship mining in the crafting system. With different ingredients from different mining methods.

[sonic forum]

I spent a lot of time salvaging in 3.24, both with the Vulture and the Reclaimer, in the end i was a bit bored of it so i wanted to try a different loop, mining it’s very cool

[pastel flame]

Mining is stronger again than it was pre-4.0

Once you get really pro with some friends you can run 2 scouts+MOLE and stan riccite and stileron

[near swallow]

I also had an in-game bought Vulture and (at the end of 3.22) a Reclaimer. I liked salvage gameplay too. Solo Reclaimer salvage can be an issue in 4.0 right now though (for the moment I have a pledged Reclaimer) due to aggressive ship cleanup code, that doesn't care if you're using a mining turret or not and doesn't care if the station it suddenly stores your ship at has an XL hangar or not.

[sonic forum]

Someome ever tested how much time the cleanup process needs before starting erasing stuff around?

[near swallow]

It can take less time then it takes to scrape and crunch an Arrow with a Trawler.

[sonic forum]

Jeez…… I expected it to be way longer

Now we know why 4.0 performances are quit high 😀

[near swallow]

I'm not actually sure that code is helping as much

[shy coral]

yo the stampedes got hands

just broke an 18k

only 20% gold though

[near swallow]

They tried that during EPTU IIRC and it didn't help with the jump gates, which were horrible for FPS at the time. But it wasn't due to CPU or GPU. Think that got fixed by network optimizations.

Also, the cleanup code might not be doing much in Pyro, I suspect it's linked to Armistice.

Well, Armistice and hangars which used to be Armistice.

[shy coral]

stampede got doinked off by a rock lmao

[copper apex]

Im going to take a wild guess and say Terra mills isnt safe?

[mossy radish]

im going to assume this has to do with bounty cargo drops?

[hasty lintel]

This cant be real right?

wtf

[coarse ember]

pretty sure it's stupid hard to find which makes it sell for so much

[mossy radish]

show me the way

[leaden reef]

Janalite is in caves

[hasty lintel]

the hardest one to find

[shy coral]

do i need my shields on when mining?

[hasty lintel]

Only if you suck when mining

Overcharging a rock will hurt your ship a LOT

[shy coral]

just breaking them hurts with this setup that decoupled was running

[leaden reef]

Oohh I see caves in pyro on pervseguide

Verseguide

[near swallow]

That would be by SCU, not by unit. 1 SCU might be something like 1000 units or something.

[humble merlin]

Yeah, basically it means it's like 18559 credits per gem

[hasty lintel]

oh

[humble merlin]

Which is still a lot

[near swallow]

Yeah

[humble merlin]

A rock drops like 6-10 gems at a time if you find one

[near swallow]

But you can only find that type of gem in a specific type of cave

And on 4.0 you might need Verseguide to find caves.

[humble merlin]

I need to test the hoverbike scanning in caves to see if it still works in 4.0

Makes it a little easier to look for janalite

[near swallow]

No idea what that is

[hasty lintel]

wat dat

[humble merlin]

Take a hoverbike into a cave, hop on, ping your scanner

[near swallow]

A website for finding locations that don't have QT markers

[humble merlin]

Highlights all rocks in the cave

[hasty lintel]

bet

[hasty lintel]

oh sht

[near swallow]

Previously, one way you could find caves was Investigation missions, but those are not available yet in 4.0.

[humble merlin]

It's janky, for some reason sometimes hoverbikes will just up and disappear when you take them into the cave

At least that's how it was in 3.24

Haven't tried in 4.0

[near swallow]

Some caves are big enough to fly a ship into

[copper apex]

So do different stations reset?

Like I just delievered 120 SCU of RMC to terra farms, and they have no demand

I really dont wanna re hand load 120 SCU individually

I might kill myself first

[hasty lintel]

No, they just change prices based on how many people sell there

If they have too much stock, then they'll lower price

[copper apex]

I figured that out

I just lost my ass on salvage

4 hours of work which should have netted me like 1.4 mil left me with 432k

[hasty lintel]

Terra Farms?

[copper apex]

Im so pissed im doing mercenaty bounties

Yes

120 SCU for 432k

[shy coral]

that was not the place to sell chief

i sell 36 scu to orison for 400k

[leaden reef]

You sold for too low?

[hasty lintel]

Looks like you should've gone to; Terra Mills

[hasty lintel]

https://uexcorp.space/commodities/info/name/recycled-material-composite/tab/locations_buying/

use this site

it shows where to buy and sell

for best prices

[mossy radish]

wtf ?

[shy coral]

thats gotta be cap

[mossy radish]

crap?

[shy coral]

if thats real take that shit in a heartbeat

[mossy radish]

dude i dont even have a salvager, 200k for a cutlass?

am i missing something? drugs? cargo? high end weapons?

[shy coral]

yeah idk

[copper apex]

I was. It told me a price of 11k

[pastel flame]

Told ya!

[pastel flame]

Just did something similar to this, very interesting

I like how the "salvage" ships are still fully operational but all red

It's a scrap, too.

[pastel flame]

Fun little MOLE cargo!

[humble merlin]

I haven't touched prospector/mile mining yet

How much does 16 scu come out to after refining high yield?

[shy coral]

yo how do you not get decked while mining with the helix

[pastel flame]

How do you mean?

[coarse ember]

well today was another good day for me, did a bit of hadanite mining and then a bit of trading, helped someone else load their freelancer max too, turns out we were doing the exact same route when i saw them at orison seconds later about 300k off my first mil this patch

[shy coral]

i have to basically be touching tips with the rock so it damages me every time

[pastel flame]

Get it high in the optimum window and back off

A little damage is ok

[shy coral]

oh

[shy coral]

you just refine everything right? or do you skip anything thats low tier

[pastel flame]

Skip anything low tier

[shy coral]

L

i be wasting money

[pastel flame]

Adds needless time to your refine

[shy coral]

so do you refine tier 1 and 2 or just tier 1

[pastel flame]

I only mine and refine quant, stileron, riccite, taranite, bexalite, gold. Everything else is literally invisible extra

[shy coral]

what is stileron and riccite?

is that only in pyro?

[pastel flame]

That's where we find them, yes expensive new minerals

[shy coral]

is it like 25% and above to fracture or higher ?

[pastel flame]

Not sure I know what you mean there

[shy coral]

cause the asteroids usually have trash minerals along with the tier 1

[pastel flame]

Yeah just depends on how big the rock is and what the material is

This is the kind of thing you can easily find I was just doing this outside Ruin

Can see the station in the background 😛

[leaden reef]

Noice

[pastel flame]

That was a 20k mass "impossible"

[hasty lintel]

Does Janalite spawn in all caves or just specific types?

Ive heard only sand caves

[humble merlin]

Specific types, yeah

[hasty lintel]

im tryna find this and dont see it anywhere

[weak oyster]

do salvage missions get better after doing more?

[sonic forum]

Got the Helix 1. It slaps

[pastel flame]

Scouting for a prospector and mole team

[leaden reef]

What are you flying

[sonic forum]

Sabre Firebird

[pastel flame]

me rn

[knotty dove]

you are a scout so its a payday for you with this one

[pastel flame]

We've found Riccite and Stileron in zero g today which was big, because prior to tonight we'd only seen it on surface

The boys have arrived

112 scu

So much the MOLE got full and we had to call in a prospector

[agile skiff]

are there any suits still fit for roc ds mining on high temperature planets that you can buy in game?

[humble merlin]

Not until they put Pembroke back in shops

[sonic forum]

Rofl i went to HUR L2 to buy mining expensive shit and

I saw the mannequin that used to have the Pembroke on it EMPTY

it was quite hilarious

[cunning agate]

This is the good life right here.

[tiny lake]

why cant I find a button to activate my munching arm in the reclaimer copilot seat?

did it get moved?

now it only appears to have a power button 😕

[sonic forum]

Button is M, in case you need it

[tiny lake]

M? Like. just sit in the seat and press m? Why do I remember there being a button to press ig.

Hm. Ty

[leaden reef]

im in a server with 9 ppl

161 on shard

[next cloak]

is hull munching worth it?

[vestal ravine]

I think so it seems the value has been boosted by 1,000 k and I can munch hulls much faster than lasering.

[knotty dove]

yes for Reclaimer

[next cloak]

how do i do it in the vulture?

[weak oyster]

i did the scraping first then breaking with the reclaimer

thinking to do some commodities now that i have some money and the c2 for cargo

[sonic forum]

You get close to a ship with the shields turned OFF, you enter salvaging master mode, and you fire the scraping beam against the hull of the target ship. You keep moving it around the hull slowly to chew up the composite material. Once you get 13 SCUs of material, you stop everything, you go down to the filler and you print 13 boxes. Fix em to the cargo grid, go back to the cockpit, and start again the process above.

[next cloak]

ooooh ight thank you very much

is it worth it compared to scraping?

[sonic forum]

It’s explained in a very easy way, you should really take a look at it on youtube if you want to learn more. But it’s quite an easy process honestly. Pay attention to your surroundings, especially if you are in Pyro.
By the way salvaging with the Vulture is VERY worth it.

[livid briar]

Scraping in a vulture is better than munching in a vulture. You just don't have the capacity to store enough for it to be good. I munched 740 SCU of construction materials in my reclaimer from one trip from like 4 vehicles. Anything that doesn't fit in your buffer is voided and the largest pieces are usually in one big piece.

You'd max at like 60k a trip ... Which is like 6 SCU of scrapping.

[sonic forum]

Ah fuck, sorry guys. I thought the guy was asking about how to run salvage operations with the Vulture, i got only now that he was talking about DISINTEGRATING other ships. Munching for me was not clear at first because english is not my first language 😆😆

[sonic forum]

This is correct, scraping is the way, munching is definitely a work for the Reclaimer. It could become profitable if you use the Vulture together with a carrier like the Polaris, where you get access to way more cargo space, but due to the filler printing exclusively 1 SCUs boxes it would be a tedious idiotic unworthy process. So go for scraping.

[livid briar]

You could take a reclaimer to Yela and munch the unverified contracts for an hour and come out with 900k in construction materials though, it's solid

[weak oyster]

do you guys do the verified contracts with a reclaimer or the cost of the contract not worth much?

[livid briar]

I gave up after 4 arrows because I kept getting arrows lol - the illegal ones are so freely available I haven't bothered with legal

[weak oyster]

you get more after doing arrows but the cost goes up too

[sonic forum]

I never did a single verified contract in my life in 3.24. I’m not sure about how it works now.

If it’s the same, then unverified ones.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER

[weak oyster]

i have some like freelancer for 20k contract to pay

i should do unverified ones tbh cause you make money with the others but little

[sonic forum]

Pick the contracts where you get actually paid for salvaging and not the contrary.

Go there, eat the ship you find, profit. And you even get paid.

Simple as that

[weak oyster]

oh they were contracts that paid you? or thats the unverified ?

[sonic forum]

Yeah only unverified. But you can do that freely, literally nothing happens to you

You just get a 60 minutes timer to finish the work

Considering you are likely to disintegrate a ship with the Reclaimer, you’ll end up in 3.

Then just go away.

[weak oyster]

yea and you know sometimes the verified contract was saying i was trespassing in some ones lol

[sonic forum]

Take note that i never tried salvaging in 4.0 so i’m not responsible for deadly outcomes and extremely severe consequences that you may encounter or more likely THAT YOU WILL FOR SURE SUFFER

[weak oyster]

from players or npcs?

i did some ones nothing happened

[sonic forum]

No one….
FROM BUGS…

But yeah, pay attention to players as well.

[weak oyster]

yea i keep notice till i can fine a crew for things

[livid briar]

Reclaimer munching works for unverified - you complete the mission as soon as you crack it

[dawn shard]

is mining bugged with scanning issues, getting rocks i cant scan even though it was showing up on the scans

[livid briar]

Has anyone found the sweet spot for cargo missions?

I literally took four one way and got all of them submitted, then took two one-off loads individually and submitting both failed.

Same station/spaceport route b2b and one works one doesn't.

[leaden monolith]

It seems pretty much hit or miss to me. Yesterday I did 4 contracts out of Seraphim without a hitch. Today the first one didn't deliver the cargo to my freight elevator. I even mucked about doing other stuff for like 15 mins thinking maybe it is lagged but no.

[livid briar]

I'm optimistic the data connected over the break will yield fast patches when they return to office

[vestal ravine]

ROC gems not being sold at the Admin on a Pyro station...

[brisk gorge]

I cant seem to find an answer. I am seeing both yes and no. Can the Hull-A be rented in 4.0?

[coarse ember]

Try ruin station or Jackson's swap, they should take hadanite

[knotty dove]

i heard it can be

try ship rental on cargo deck at Seraphim and Bajini

[brisk gorge]

Will go there next. Thank you!

[knotty dove]

or try ship rental at any cargo deck so all 4 LEOs

[brisk gorge]

LEOs being the Orbitals? Like Everus Harbor?

[knotty dove]

yes

[brisk gorge]

Got it, thank you!

[vestal ravine]

Will do thanks...

[raw shell]

anyone heard of a correlation between overfilling a vulture cargo area and the black screen crash?

someone mentioned it on a ytube and I've hauled in 3 vultures now without filling that last non-snap isle with no crash. coincidence?

[coarse ember]

Overfilling a vulture has nothing to do the black screen

Black screen is just error message not rendering properly, click around and you'll find the okay button to go back to menu

[raw shell]

really? what menu? The game isnt' crashed?

[coarse ember]

Nah the server/shard crashed not the players end of stuff

It'll send you back the the join menu where you select region

[raw shell]

oh but you still loose your ship?

[coarse ember]

Afaik yeah or sometimes it just sends everything to the last station you visited

[raw shell]

ok interesting. thank you vm!

[winter crypt]

abrade or clinch for the vulture?

[waxen zodiac]

looking for gunner or security for a haul

[raw shell]

abrade

[winter crypt]

thanks mate

[raw shell]

one on each gun

[raw shell]

This is good because my first stop in the halo has 6 large panels and I want to stuff this ship to the gills

[spark crest]

is there any rework for freelancer already planned or not?

[tall karma]

https://discord.com/channels/82210263440306176/502211120631775268

[plain silo]

How much aUEC should I have before I start doing cargo hauling?

[leaden monolith]

twice as much as you're willing to lose.

[livid briar]

Have y'all had more success with cargo hauling compared to cargo missions?

Feel like if they are the same, I would never take those odds with my own money

[craggy tapir]

Question
They added these hover carts at distribution centers

Where exactly are these

[pastel flame]

This is basically the situation right now

You're doing cargo for fun and mid profit

7 batches of missions orbital for 350k is hard to beat

[mild basalt]

This is really good, when it works. Frustrating as hell if you load everything up and then it doesnt, or you can't even get the boxes from the elevator in the first place.

[pastel flame]

Totally! Just feels less bad than paying hundreds of thousands for the same thing not doing mission cargo.

[coarse ember]

usually once i hit 500k-700k then i start trading so i have at least some capital to burn if something bugs out and not be back to a incredibly slow grind of mining

also yeah in the same vein as werric said earlier, dont spend more than half of your money on cargo

[mossy radish]

anyone here salvaging components and using them? having difficulty attaching them?

its the only way to circumvent the limitation of stock components. using a vanguards stock powerplant on your ship for example

[crude thunder]

Need some assistance, I'm at a station.... I was moving 96scu of cargo in warp and the game black screened. Came back and the ship was back in my hangar with the cargo on it. Its not allowing me to detach the 6x 16scu containers from my ship to offload them with either a hand held or max lift tractor. Cargo shows 0/96scu in the commodities window. Am I screwed?

[pastel flame]

It's hard to say. I have had stuff disappear and re-appear, especially around refinery orders, in my Connie. You may very well be screwed, but my instinct would be to store the *ship safely and give it an hour, then check again.

[crude thunder]

I'll leave it stored for a while and see if it wants to cooperate later, it has the boxes mounted on the raft but for whatever reason it wont let me detach them making me think they're there but not actually there

[blissful flume]

I don't know if I'm in the right group but r these trading apps for commodity accurate? It says 11k for rmc does that sound right

[crimson mantle]

We're updated as much as possible!

10-11k/scu of RMC is what we see in 4.0 right now

[raw shell]

That's what I've been getting at terra mills (11k)

[copper apex]

Anyone know how to recenter salvage heads when gimbled?

All of the sudden, mine are spaced out like the prongs of my vulture

[blissful flume]

Thank u

[nimble pilot]

Has anyone been able to do chained hauling missions the past few days? I keep getting a bunch of bugs all of a sudden but I didn't get any when I first started getting back into sc 2 weeks or so ago

[heady remnant]

how do I get the ATLS mech into a hangar/?

[humble merlin]

Summon it from ASOP

[plain silo]

For mining do u normally just do roc mining on aberdeen to make some cash early game?

[coarse ember]

Daymar is better for roc mining tbh, decent amount of hadanite and you don't need a special suit for heat protection

Just got about 1km in the air 116m/s scan anything that pops within 2.8km and ignore anything below a scam sig of 5000

[near swallow]

Store the ATLS on it's own like you would a ship

Trick is getting the elevator up if you sent a ship down, you may have to call up a small ship, move it off to the side, put ATLS on the elevator and store it, then in the small ship you can call ATC to get the elevator back.

[near swallow]

There is a keybind to reset the gimble, but I don't remember it off hand

[crimson mantle]

Tab+scroll will adjust the convergence of the 2 heads

[pastel flame]

It's a damn shame ppl still get sent to aberdeen at all

It was before, but especially after 4.0

[polar matrix]

aight miners, what mining head should I get

[pastel flame]

There's lots of opinions and several good ones, mine is helix 1 with reiger C3 and Stampede

[humble merlin]

I haven't even done mining in a prospecter yet but I've read about the heads and would want helix lol

[pastel flame]

I crack a lot of impossible quant and taranite rocks

Passing those up makes you abandon the safety of the hofstede

[coarse cape]

Is mining even worth it for time vs profit? Haven’t done it since refineries came out

[pastel flame]

worth it is pretty subjective right now

It can be profitable

[copper apex]

What is the most efficient way to make money in game?

It took me almost 16 hours to make 3.5 mil

I'm doing panels

[pastel flame]

Grind stanton bounty rep to HRT, move to pyro, do bounties there

58-111k rewards minutes apart

For everyone in party who shared

Salvaging, try basing out of Starlight in pyro

There's lots of decent ways to make money, and only a few obscene ways.

[mossy radish]

anyone tried these yet ?

[cunning agate]

Is that they pay you 200,000 to take on the burden of 400i ownership or do you have to pay?

[mossy radish]

i have no idea. it says fee so...

[earnest hornet]

Greetings, anyone able to point me to a Stanton L-point station that spawns panels reliably in 4.0?

[near swallow]

Paying 200k to salvage a 400i doesn't seem like that good a deal to me.

[mossy radish]

gotta be more to it, theres no way its just the hull

[earnest hornet]

component/weapon and potential loot in storage?

[fading hollow]

Leave the ATLS in the hangar after use, it bugs your ship out if you store it.

[earnest hornet]

Among other things. CIG is still out on holiday so they havent done the regular exorcism of the demoncode that runs the ATLS. Half the time it kills its user when they get in lately.

[fading hollow]

I guess you have to pay. Perhaps it has some interesting innards and paint?

[leaden reef]

i did like 12 hull-c hauls. lost a lot at baijini after it didnt acknowledge by purchase of 5mill auec of stuff. did 4 more hauls afterwards only at gateways and everything went fine

[leaden reef]

interesting

first i found hull-c hauling tedious but then i got into the hang of things such as being able to smoothly dock and load without overshooting. and i was able to take advantage of my headtracker to position myself properly without using external cam.

[heady remnant]

Is auto loading a thing?

[winter flare]

The ship is an absolute travesty and a piece of shit that isn't worth wasting your time trying to get to work. The hauling process is tedious as it consists of redundant steps clearly designed to just take time, whereas all surrounding systems are finicky and very hard to actually get to behave. I can't think of a worse ship in Star Citizen right now.

[leaden reef]

It worked at least 90% of the time

[leaden reef]

Yes, may result in your ship being destroyed though

[novel harness]

Qt mining still possible like back in the days? Going to lyria and finding a ton of rocks?

[zenith ocean]

which is the best place for roc mining and what i am looking for? thanks

[quiet night]

assuming the submit button on hauling contracts does nothing of use?

[wary hare]

Is there a resource that shows where the best places to mine are?

[leaden reef]

https://redmonstergaming.com/mining-cheat-sheets/

Nothing for pyro yet

[leaden reef]

If you have a partial completion you can submit for credit

[quiet night]

ah tyvm

[near swallow]

There isn't anything up to date because the data is now server side, so RedMonster can't datamine it and make new sheets.

[copper apex]

Thank you!

[wraith cairn]

Back when I played awhile ago VHRTs used to be the best bounty level for time to complete/reward ratio, has that now become HRTs?

[earnest hornet]

I see RMC payout is nerfed in Stanton barely 250k, if at that.

per full load of Vulture + buffer.

[copper apex]

You're selling at the wrong place

[earnest hornet]

enlighten me please.

[copper apex]

Check the uec site

[earnest hornet]

It told me A18, that was my lowest at 220k

[copper apex]

I sell at orison for 10.2k an scu

[earnest hornet]

That was my best at 280k :/

I was informed that at least 300k at bottom, even with the nerfs.

[copper apex]

How many SCU are you loading?

I'm getting 38

[frank parcel]

What's the process of selling refined materials now? Can you sell from a stored ship or do you have to transfer to a freight elevator?

[livid briar]

Yes

You can sell whatever on grid or from elevators

[frank parcel]

Thanks for the quick response

Also, refined quantainium.. is it still volatile?

[livid briar]

Refined should not be. Just the raw stuff.

[frank parcel]

Great, thanks again

[plain silo]

When I'm spawning in my ROC for mining is there anyway to spawn it in with my cutty black or do I have to go pick it up on a planet?

[wary hare]

Mmmmkay so first time roc mining - is there JUST shale in these rocks or is it worth cracking them open?

I have no idea how to "scan" properly other than using tab

[crimson mantle]

The roc can only mine the gem deposits: hadanite, dolivine, etc

They are much smaller rocks

[wary hare]

Oh okay so it will say "Hardanite" and such when i ping them

[crimson mantle]

Yeah

They physically look much smaller

[wary hare]

Any tips on how to scan for them/what im looking for or is it just fly to the nearest "unknown" until you find something

[coarse ember]

Fly 1km above ground flying around 116m/s and keep pinging and scan anything that pops within 2.8km of you

[livid briar]

Call your ship at any station. Store it, then call a ROC. Move the ROC to the side of the pad... Pull out new ship.. then store and boom now you can start surveying

[wary hare]

How do I scan something specifically in the distance

[livid briar]

scroll wheel with M+KB controls in scanning mode

[coarse ember]

V to enter scan mode then aim it at the "unknown" and it should give you a number. singles of hadanite have a sig of 620 but outside of that ignore anything below 5k Scan signature

[wary hare]

Thanks fellas much appreciated

[crude thunder]

96 scu of Diamond lost, was about to soft kill the Raft to see if I could extract the stuck cargo that way but the Hangar beat me to it. Ship was sticking straight up and the hangar ate it. Oh well... Decided to spend more aUEC, rented a Taurus and made back 70% of the lost funds.

Any good recommendations for commodities to buy and sell? I've been moving Diamond and Medical Supplies which seem to net me 80-120k depending on the run. I can't rely on the Cargo hauling missions, I'm at Member level but so far every single missing has been bjorked solar, planetary I either get 1/4th of it to deliver or none at all, or the mission gives twice the amount of cargo needed. Very frustrating

[earnest hornet]

Is there a list of panel salvage locations? I'm starting to wonder if there is a right pattern or its just any L-point station

[coarse ember]

Looking at the old salvage sheet there isn't really a pattern they're just everywhere

[earnest hornet]

definitely doesnt exist in half of those locations.

tried in CRU L4 and L5 and while it works there, the fact is they're on the easily crashable CRU DGS my progress gets nixed.

[hallow lark]

Lets say i have a C2 and i want to park it in a friends hanger in MT to pick up his cargo to take it to his hanger in A18. How would that work? Could he call his cargo from my hanger?

[crude thunder]

yes your friend can be in your hangar with your ship and call their cargo up from the lift

[coarse ember]

Yep
As far as the elevator is concerned whoever is interacting with it owns that cargo and can send it to or from their inventory, used it a few times to steal drugs

[raw shell]

is there a reason to fracture and disassemble ships at this point? It sounds like the mats aren't as valuable as rmc and you can't build anything with them right now. Are people just hoarding them for when base building comes out?

[crude thunder]

its something else to sell, no point in hoarding them for base building or crafting , we'll likely get another wipe or two before that

[raw shell]

ok that's what I assumed but was not sure, since folks on YT vids talk about needing them. Thanks for the confirmation

[crude thunder]

RMC dropped in price, even so you can still just scrape hulls for it if you want but you can still get a good number of boxes of CMAT , hoard a small pile of them and then sell at 2-2.4k each

[raw shell]

I've only collected rmc so far. Does CMAT take up the same space in the filler station? I'm scraping a c2 right now

[crude thunder]

yeah they take up the same buffer, I would love to see a simple purge button on the Vulture to clear the .2 of cmat if you want all of one or the other

[raw shell]

that ability would revolutionize mining too

[ebon cedar]

New to asteroids mining in team. What's best ? Several prospectors or a crewed MOLE ? All rented (for now)

[spare cloud]

Crewed MOLE, bought.
Rental loadouts suck for both MOLE and Prospector

[coarse stag]

Saw a Vulture and Reclaimer hanging out near an asteroid cluster in Pyro where I was grinding Pilot in Distress for CP. Not sure if they were in a party. Possible they had salvage missions there? Or were they looking to salvage debris from destroyed fighters? Seems silly to have a spawn point for both combat and non-combat missions.

[spare cloud]

Yela belt has been a point for every kind of mission forever

[coarse stag]

I wasin Pyro, not Crusader.

But if you mean that we might expect the same thing, that would make sense.

[spare cloud]

Yeah I can read. That is what I meant yes.

It's stuff we've already seen. Yela belt been an example for ever, and finding bounty targets while you go on your salvage claim or the other way is very common there

[coarse stag]

I'd just love to see consistent gameplay where salvage players are mopping up after battles.

[spare cloud]

Server meshing will only increase this, with a lot more players for the same area, so you may see salvager a lot more often coming to grind stuff after you fought and destroyed NPCs

[coarse stag]

Love that.

[spare cloud]

Same, it's great seeing more life in the PU

[dapper aspen]

Does anyone know if there are panels in pyro?

[dull wadi]

anyone know if price of extra hauling cargo is always at -75% wherever you try to sell it?

[pastel flame]

Nice work recovering, many of us have lost hundreds of thousands of aUEC. Alas, alpha state

[dull wadi]

sorry I mean trying to sell the extra cargo

[pastel flame]

Literally anywhere with asteroids

Any signature that's a multiple of 2000

I have been to nearly every cluster in pyro specifically prospecting, found riccite, stileron, etc. But you ALWAYS see a shitton of panels.

Every L station

Every belt

[crude thunder]

yep I've been handing out some coin to a few buddies that went to pyro and they're damn near broke because of it. I've been lucky overall so far with only minor nuisances with cargo missions. The game is definitely in an alpha state. Almost no cargo missions in the "Member" category have worked so far. So I'm running commodities till I can afford a Vulture

[pastel flame]

There's shitloads of money to be made, i've bought a few ships, given away millions, but the best money is very greasy right now.

Mining is solid, but specific types and places. Salvage is great in pyro.

[bold harbor]

could you help me with mining?

[vital juniper]

How's mining this patch? And what ores are people going for?

[winter flare]

I'm not sure what sort of hardware you have, but my every attempt on every server I've tried (logging out, stowing, waiting 30 minutes to 24 hours before trying again) result in the same behaviour when trying to load: comms stuck in a loop and nothing gets loaded.

Issue Council for reference, in case there's anyone here who might feel tempted to pledge this ship:

https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-88176

I would record a video if my Radeon ReLive wasn't so buggy... 😐

[leaden reef]

5800x3d 3080. For me the only common issue is that when I enter into the cargo loading box and stop moving, it doesn't start loading. I have to exit and try again until it works

[winter flare]

How far away do you fly from the box?

[leaden reef]

Usually only a small amount, which is probably a mistake

[winter flare]

(I'm literally the meme that I've been waiting so long for this ship that I now have a wife & a kid)

Okay, let me try that. I've tried QTing away and returning, but still doesn't work. In fact, QTing away removes the box.

[leaden reef]

Oh yeah definitely do not qt away. In the text it says you'll lose all your stuff

[winter flare]

I also can't retract my landing gear.

Yeah, so what happens when I head into the box is that the comms get into an infinite loop, calling and cancelling over and over, and nothing gets loaded.

[leaden reef]

Does the white text appear in the middle of your screen

Weird I've never seen a comms loop. I just hear an audio cue after I contact either landing or cargo, then I see an icon telling me where to go

[winter flare]

Yeah. There's a white text in the middle of the screen.

I managed to record it. I'll upload it to the issue council.

[leaden reef]

So no cargo is transferred even with commencing cargo transfer?

[winter flare]

Yeah, no cargo is transferred. I'm just stuck in a comms loop.

The weird thing is though that I never have to call the Cargo comms after I made the purchase.

The moment I step into the ship after I've made the purchase, it's already expecting me to go to the box.

[leaden reef]

i think same for me but i press it anyway while im looking for that box

probably placebo

[dapper mesa]

Any way to get ore bags back on my mole? They fall through freight elevator

They were broken off and repair isn't restoring them

Claim doesn't fix them either

[wary hare]

Is there a special way to get a mining facility to recognize my roc?

[coarse ember]

not really, gotta go walk between your roc and the terminal stuffing as much as you can into your bag/armour

[wary hare]

You can't sell directly from the roc itself?

[halcyon plaza]

trying to load a Hull C but it says "Commencing cargo transfer" and nothing happens

[leaden reef]

rip

same issue as Aldaleon

when i had the commencing cargo transfer text it worked 100% of the time

[halcyon plaza]

that's 4M down the drain 😦

[leaden reef]

i lost a similar amount

try to store and do it agani

might as well

[halcyon plaza]

yup

[pastel flame]

Sorry friend I crashed, pm me and sure

[humble mantle]

Been away for a while, have a question about cargo: If I store a bunch of 1 SCU RMC from my Vulture at Seraphim, can I repackage it in the Warehouse to larger containers for transport and sale later?

[knotty dove]

no

atleast not yet

[humble mantle]

Understood.

Thanks!

[coarse ember]

As far as I'm aware nah can't sell direct, you can however stuff them gems into a 1 SCU box and send that down a outpost or city hangar and sell from there instead of running back and forth doing backpack everytime

[spare cloud]

You can put the 1 SCU boxes inside 8 SCU storage containers for easier transport, but you'll have to buy the containers and unpack them at delivery point

[merry sand]

@wary hare best way I found was to have as big a bag as possible then move from the ROC, to my bag and then to one of the stor all boxes you can buy from the cargo deck. Then store the box using the freight elevator, once in personal storage open the box and drag out the gems. Then sell from local inventory at Admin

[distant osprey]

It's buggy but I got it to work by spamming the hail cargo deck, then moving to a green box

[wary hare]

Yeah I ended up doing this, took me a while to figure out you have to take the gems OUT of the box once you've put the elevator down 😂😂

[marble acorn]

After loading 6-7 Rookie Hauling missions totaling around 100 SCU of 1 scu boxes and then finally landing in the destination hanger.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ztIqap0rkag

[halcyon plaza]

after i hail cargo atc (once) the box pops up. then should i spam it more before entering the box?

[hidden garden]

How's the raft for cargo?

I know the carrack holds more, but it's bay is a hassle

[white dove]

does the prospect mining head still have a gimbal mode?

[leaden monolith]

I enjoy the Raft. With a Maxlift and 3x32 or 6x16 boxes it is very quick to load and unload. If you have a Raft then you know all about it being slow in atmo and its sluggish handling when loaded. If you don't own one now you know. 🙂

I believe they nerfed it's QT fuel capacity in 4.0 but seeing as I have an infinite loading screen I haven't been able to see how bad it was nerfed.

[plain silo]

In star citizen is there any way to work for other players, doing like hauling or mining and getting paid for it?

[south condor]

Only if the other player pays you, some people offer/sell services like that here https://uexcorp.space/home

[livid briar]

RAFT is one of my favorites - even though it's capacity is kinda limited

I just love all the ARGO design and industrial vibe - hits the spot

BUT .... C1 technically holds more and is definitely faster and more functional......

[leaden monolith]

If they improved the handling when loaded and had the elevator default to lower deck/exit ship I would definitely fly it more often

[livid briar]

I think it will be peak when it has a load/unload function from inside the ship

[leaden monolith]

It would be nice to have the tractor working and interesting to see how they do it. Or they might not worry and do what they seem to like doing with other ships - Raft MKII 🙂

[livid briar]

I mean wasn't the whole pitch to have like automated loading and unloading arms

no tractors needed just park on the elevator, dump load and fly off

[leaden monolith]

Oh I had completely forgot about that. Unfortunately with they way they have implemented freight elevators I don't see that happening.

[river helm]

why is the taurus so weird to load cargo onto. Autoload is awkward, and it doesn't fit 2x32SCUs lengthwise for manual loading

[leaden monolith]

If I fully load it I cover the first row with 4scu boxes then put my 32's and 24's on top. iirc loading from the rear was easier than the front but it's been a while

[river helm]

what even is the fit lengthwise? 1x 24 1x 32scu?

[leaden monolith]

yes

[river helm]

gotcha

thanks

I was renting it trying it out, but for fast loading it feels not much better than the 96 scu I can easily get into c1

I guess it's a bit more at 112

[hidden garden]

Wish the carrack was easier for cargo

[leaden monolith]

@river helm Once you get used to it it can be fairly quick to load. If you go for the full load with the third vertical of 4suc boxes it takes more time. I found it easier to cover the floor with them then load the bigger ones

[hidden garden]

If it gets a lowering function then you wouldn't need 2 people to load it fully

[river helm]

sounds like an atls is required for it

[leaden monolith]

In theory you can load it with 2x24 and 2x32 and then another 32 slap in the middle. I haven't tried it but apparently it's doable

ATLS is killing people atm

[river helm]

yikes no atls then lol

that's interesting, it did look like that would fit

but that wouldn't snap onto grid right?

[leaden monolith]

haven't tried it but I would say not