industrial-professions

[frank warren]

I think they meant CM

[small galleon]

Apparently RMC was reduced by 40 percent and CM was increased by 40 percent?

[small galleon]

No I think CM was increased by 40 percent and RMC reduced by the same amount.

[sonic forum]

Love it. Thanks hot dog 🌭
If it stays this way, we gucci

[frank warren]

No, I think they were asking about how much CM was worth and not RMC. As you said the price was reduced to 8k, which means you were talking about RMC

[small galleon]

Ah! My bad!

Can anyone help me understand how to make SC Trade Tools work?

[frank warren]

What are you trying to do with it

[small galleon]

I've only used it to check prices using the commodities tab. But the other tools like routes and others I can't seem to make it work

[frank warren]

Want to pop into a call so I can help you figure it out quickly

or let me know what you want to do and I can explain it

[small galleon]

Can't right now, but I just checked Uex and it seems to have been updated to have the Starlancer Max now

[small galleon]

So

[frank warren]

Okay, I just checked and trade tools has the Starlancer MAX as well. At least for Trade-Routes

[small galleon]

Do I need input any more details? Can it not automate everything else?

[small galleon]

Huh weird. Pressing submit doesn't do anything for me

[frank warren]

Press F5 on the site

And I know that the site does bug out from time to time. I sent a link to the discord once for that page and it bugged someones site out for a bit

[small galleon]

Yeah unfortunately still nothing. Weird

[sonic forum]

Open the commodities left tab, check that you have exactly those settings

Quite sure that your problem is here

;D

[frank warren]

You can also just hit the reset button on the right I believe

[small galleon]

Actually resetting it fixed it. Thanks guys!

You guys prefer SC over UEX?

[frank warren]

I use SC, never really touched UEX

[sonic forum]

That’s a negative for me

I use UEX

[frank warren]

Honestly, use both and see which one you like more

[small galleon]

Yeah, on paper SC looks a lot more user friendly, but UEX seems to be my preferred tool too. Doesn't seem to be updated as much though

[coarse ember]

They do share data but uexcorp doesn't have a tool to auto update prices like SC trade tools does so it's all users punching stuff in afaik

SC trade tools has a companion program that you press f3 at a terminal and it reads the text for commodity prices

[small galleon]

Whats a good trading comodity right now other than gold?

[leaden monolith]

Bex, Heph, for station to station/city. Beryl, diamonds if you want to risk outpost elevators. That's my 2UEC.

[pale finch]

So have they changed it now so that you can't see rock compositions when in the pilot seat in the mole? Do I now have to switch to the turret seat if I want to see what's in rocks when solo mining in the mole?

[weak wharf]

Where can i buy the maxlift tractor beam?

[median gale]

Cargo centers and refineries

[median gale]

I was able to get compositions in the cargo tab of the scan MFD. Couldn’t see mass though.

[pale finch]

Ah great, thanks

[runic trench]

greetings I was told to ask here
I purchased some cargo, then paid to have it auto-loaded. now it says transfer to cargo deck required, it is not in my freight elevator, or my warehouse or the ship. what do I do?

[tired inlet]

Which ship?

[runic trench]

c2

[runic trench]

c2

[tired inlet]

Check if the cargo is visible as loaded into ship at a commodity terminal. Sometimes it does not visually load but is still loaded.

[runic trench]

you mean call the ship and look inside?

[tired inlet]

I mean go back to where you bought the cargo, and pull your ship up as the active inventory.

[runic trench]

it says there is nothing in there

[tired inlet]

I'm sorry for your loss

Did it show a picture of a C2 on the commodity terminal when you originally bought it? Vehicle inventories on commodity terminals sometimes don't line up

[runic trench]

well now it wont let me buy anything either, I dont know if the loaders are borked, the C2 is borked or what the hell. I would be happy if CIG made atleast 1 game loop that worked

[tired inlet]

Like you'll have a c8x labeled caterpillar that is your home warehouse. It's a dumb bug

[runic trench]

yes but it was under my pilot name

[wind pilot]

Scan mode should show you too.

[small galleon]

What can I expect to get for roc mining? The payout I mean

sub 100k?

[burnt storm]

couple of questions

1. can you swap out the tractor beams on the vulture and reclaimer for a different salvage module?
2. what are the best salvage modules rn?

[small galleon]

Abrades are the best right now. And by changing tractor beam, you want to change it to another salvage module?

You want double abrades for both arms

[spare cloud]

You can remove the tractor beam yeah.

My Vulture loadout is 3 Abrades and one tractor

[burnt storm]

are we sure?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[burnt storm]

kk

[spare cloud]

Not like it matters if you can't, since there's only one salvage module worth having on a Vulture

[small galleon]

3 abrades aint bad specially when your learning the controls, you don't have to keep switching between them

[spare cloud]

Tractor is a cool bonus for whenever you commit skill issue and bump your target

[burnt storm]

thanks I will report back

[urban comet]

last I checked mineables didn't work

[small galleon]

Ah bummer.

What's the best payout for a Prospector right now?

[ornate halo]

Same as before really- head to Cellin, look for the Good Tier 1s and Quant

[small galleon]

Never mined before

[ornate halo]

https://youtu.be/ExMVXVWHiAQ?si=G0EuBigbAL7iYtkV
This is a pretty good intro

IT covers more than just ship mining, you can fast forward to the good bits

[small galleon]

Hope it makes the most when 4.0 comes.

[ornate halo]

the UI is older- the method is the same

[rotund flume]

whats the best mining head loadout for the argo mole for a team and seperately what loadout for solo duo

[ornate halo]

This is one of those "IT depends" questions: how good are you, what are you going after, how stable is your system, etc

For solo: I Run
Helix2 with 2xRieger C3, Reiger C2
Hof2 with 2xReiger C3
Hof2 With 2xFocus 3
No active modules currently cos they dont work in this patch

Multi I switch the hofs to both RC3, Focus 3

Just for balance...

A quick Youtube search can bring other suggestions- I'd stick to within the last 6 months or so because of the changes

[spring prism]

In case anyone didn't see the SCL, there is a comment on the YouTube video with a summary of everything discussed. I broke down the summary further to show the biggest ones: #1295031996271165563 message

There is an absolute ton of information in the SCL. So it's going to still be a lot.

[ashen bloom]

is it just me or the reclaimer is much more maneuverable now?

[rotund flume]

RC3?

[ornate halo]

Rieger C3

[latent drift]

2 nights in a row of getting a CTD right as I was about to finish a hauling mission 😭

Also learned that the Zeus CL’s cargo grid is a bit odd when it comes to 8scu boxes… I didn’t realize the grid won’t let me stack them 3 across…

[untold rapids]

it's only 5 wide

[latent drift]

Yeah. Except you can fit 1scu boxes along the sides of the bay so I thought you might be able to go 7 across.

[near swallow]

I think the Reclaimer got a bit of a buff thruster wise when MM came out.

[vocal swan]

I have now traded commodities one (1) time successfully with auto-loading and unloading. It was stressful though!

[jovial matrix]

Hard to believe all of this came out of one vulture

[small galleon]

*Cramed cramed from the poor Vulture

[small galleon]

Yeah my favorite ship probably is/was the Zeus CL. Loved everything about it but decided to CCU it to because of exactly the cargo grid. The moment I tried medium sized hauling contracts it was more hassle than I wanted.

Everything about it though was phenomenal

[grave widget]

Anyone out there willing to teach me how to mine?

[latent drift]

Yeah that was my first time trying a medium hauling mission with the Zeus. Now I’m in a weird spot with it. I like the ship a lot, but I typically use my C1 for small missions. I also have the Zeus ES. So I’m starting to think about bumping the Zeus CL to a Conny Taurus…

[small galleon]

That was the route I went with before upgrading the Taurus to the SL Max. For hauling missions you instantly feel the difference right away

[slate spruce]

Taurus is frankly awesome. The cargo grid is compact (compared to i.e. Starlancer, where you need to run everywhere around the ship if you want to fully load it), and you can at least partially stack the boxes to height 4, despite the grid has officially height only 3. I'm only waiting for an overall Connie nerf (given what happened with Corsair).

[small galleon]

I think the nerf is inevitable and I'm all up for it. It's too good right now IMO

[latent drift]

Starlancer Max was also very tempting. I started with a Freelancer way back in the day so Misc does hold a special place for me.

[slate spruce]

The SL has a lot of cargo space, split into 4 distinct zones, which is really comfy when stacking hauling missions with multiple destinations. I found it weird that when I slightly bumped the hangar wall with one of the "wings" it immediately fell off. Given how often you want to position the ship against FE, and how often it leads to some minor bumps and scratches, this was a bummer.

[latent drift]

That’s unfortunate!

[wind pilot]

34 SCU?

[jovial matrix]

yeah

[wind pilot]

Nice

[barren timber]

Anyone got any advice when it comes to mining? What ores should i be looking out for to mine?

[ornate halo]

https://redmonstergaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/RedMonsterSC_MiningCharts__0015_Dark_MineableMaterialProperties-1.png

[barren timber]

Oh shit

[ornate halo]

That should point you. Prices are not quite right for 3.24 but close enough

[barren timber]

Thanks ill save this for sure

If thats ok

[ornate halo]

ITs not mine, so go ahead 😄

ITs also a PIn in this channel- along wit hother info..

[harsh peak]

My biggest per peeve are cargo grids that require you to use smaller box sizes to fully fill them

[leaden monolith]

The Taurus being a RSI ship might just make it immune to a nerf. Just can't quite see that getting by CR but I might be totally wrong.

[small galleon]

I can see the nerf happening when it gets the golden standard pass. It power creeps too much and renders ships slightly above it on paper, obsolete. We'll see though

[rich lichen]

I’m hoping exploring is worth it as the cargo on Zeus sucks interdiction will suck as well

[proud jasper]

Does the hull C get the auto loading and auto unloading zones when it does hauling missions?

[knotty dove]

atm yes

[proud jasper]

They're gonna change it? :[

[quasi forge]

alright I'm a little cheesed, I can't tell if laranite is bugged or if 16scu boxes are bugged because I just bough 6 x 16scu of laranite at a moon base, tested if the elevator worked beforehand, it did, but every time I try to bring up the load of laranite on any base it says laranite is blocking the elevator

anyone know whats going on?

and now I'm able to get some on the elevator by moving stuff back and forth haphazardly, but still every time it says laranite is blocking the elevator

welp I was able to move it now, not sure what fixed it, would still appreciate any help if you know whats up

[slate spruce]

Happened to me once, I tried a different elevator on the outpost and it worked fine. I assume it was someone else's box that fell through the elevator floor and now it was stuck there.

[crystal obsidian]

I also have this problem.
There is a technique that works for me against this

Splitting the boxes

(lets say you have to put 6 boxes in elevator, you can put them but you will need to add them one by one)
So first click on your container on the right side of elevator computer, press "SPLIT < 1 >" button six times.
This will divide your stack of boxes into individual SCU.
Drag them one by one on elevator.
Then you can send elevator up.

(One by one for the Drag and Drop ; )

[quasi forge]

I think I did something like that, they did only transfer once they were split so that confirms it. Thanks for your help

[runic trench]

can anyone confirm weather or not the trawler heads are working on the reclaimer?

[hidden garden]

Is mining worth getting into as a new player? I melted some stuff to try the prospector out

[sonic forum]

Sorry low quality pic. I would prefer driving a Starlancer without wings forever instead than doing Phase 4 again

But very happy i made it

[hidden garden]

What's that?

[humble merlin]

Phase 4 of Save Stanton has you moving a lot of cargo

Once you know how to do 6/6 in like 3 jumps it's easy

||do the copper, titanium, tungsten mission, buy 90 of each resource in 8's 4's 2's and 1's put it a hauler big hauler, take it all there at once and send down only enough for one mission, then accept mission again, then send down a little more... Continue until done||

[hidden garden]

Welp may be a second since I haven't started that event and I came back to the game yesterday

[humble merlin]

You have until 4.0 drops if you wanted to finish it

So, maybe 2 weeks minimum, 4-6 weeks more likely

[pallid talon]

I havent done phase 4 😭

[sonic forum]

Agreed, that’s what i did, but if you get very unlucky with bugs and stuff…. May god save you

[sonic forum]

I received the reward!! Still have to try it

[pallid talon]

I dont wanna what do you even have to do deliver cargo?

[hidden garden]

I should probably work on the missions, but I have like 70k to my name atm

[sonic forum]

Yeah you need to buy cargo with your money (several different commodities, usually 3 different ones per mission) and deliver everything to the Pyro gate. The mission itself is not difficult at all, the problem is that you often need to buy those commodities from ground mining outposts and the freight elevators are VERY often bugged. And when it happens you want to shoot yourself

But as Sreym explained, there are also good ways to complete the mission without going ceazy

[crude thunder]

any good component loadouts for Rafts or not really worth messing with?

[vestal ravine]

I can loan or give you some credits for the missions.

[leaden monolith]

I run a Raft that is almost standard. I put Omnisky III's on it for pilot weapons and changed out the Quantum for one with better spool up and cooldown times. Stock standard it is fine though imo.

[crude thunder]

I literally just noticed it didn't have any guns on the underside, I just have the mount points lol

[sonic forum]

Only thing i would do is getting an industrial grade A shield and a stealth QT drive unit.
First one is to give me more seconds to flee if i get attacked, second one is to speed up my journeys with a faster cooldown timer

I definitely would not mess with weapons or other things because it’s useless with the RAFT

[reef smelt]

i havent played in while, is salvaging in a vulture still profitable?

[humble merlin]

Yes

[reef smelt]

cool, whats the best way to go about it to maximize profits?

[humble merlin]

I think panels are still the best but I haven't salvaged in a while

So going to out to a L point and scanning for panels, filling up, going to planet to sell, repeat

Was around 300K an hour last time I checked

[reef smelt]

sounds good thank you for the help

[onyx hare]

is there a cargo chart for the SL MAX yet?

[crude thunder]

2x 32 on each side in the center cargo runners... 1 32 and 4x 4scu on top on each side of the rear so 224 total.... you can add 2 more 32s in the ungridded part of the rear but that is probably going to be dicey long term

[onyx hare]

thanks

[mossy palm]

Is it still possible to change out mining head modules in the field (FLTR-XL, Rieger C1 etc) and not jsut using mobiglass menus?

[median gale]

right-alt k from pilot seat will unlock ports, then you can change them out

[reef smelt]

does anyone know why the rs signatures arent showing up when I scan in the vulture?

[ocean compass]

nothing beats insurance fraud.

panel hunting i was clocking 300k/hr when RMC was worth 15k.

now RMC going to be like 10-13k? 1 full 39SCU vulture panel hunting gonna take like 1.5hrs for 505k for me

so still above 300+k/hr

but insurance fraud is way faster i get 70SCU of RMC in 1.5hrs (from 1 single C2)

which is slightly above 600k/hr

[ocean compass]

insurance fraud using own or friend c2 is the best 😛

[thorn jacinth]

hi guys, wanted to ask a quick quetion, is mining with the ROC still good for getting $ ? or should i focus on something else?
note that i only have a cutter and 200k money..

[humble merlin]

When it works, yeah.

Hadanite mining on Aberdeen can get you near 300k an hour

Probably more like 300k/1.5 hour

But still good for how easy it is to get into

[thorn jacinth]

thanks for the info man.. so i just stick my roc in the cutter and go back and forth when the ROC is full ?

[humble merlin]

I don't know how you're fitting a ROC in a Cutter

unless you mean a Cutlass

But yes

It's faster if you bring an empty SCU crate or two to fill so you have bigger turn in

[thorn jacinth]

i havent tried but i saw some videos of the roc fitting in the cutter haha

okay sounds good

might upgrade my cutter to a freelancer or a cutlass

[ocean compass]

industrial wise freelancer max has 120SCU of cargo which is insanely nice

but cutlass just does combat better

[supple birch]

Guys, i've not hauled anything except some small cargo for contracts since cargo loading rework, a friend of mine asked if he can do anything else (spawn a ship and do some bounties? Leave the station and fly around? Leave the terminal and just walk around the station? What's the limit?) or even logout while his big hauler (c2) is autoloading/unloading. What's the actual status of these mechanics?

[crimson mantle]

Auto loading and unloading is just like the insurance claim timer. You don't have to be there at all 🙂

In fact, it's pretty common to end the night by triggering the unloading and logging out

[coarse ember]

A few things to note tho

1. It only unloads what's on the cargo grid
2. It can be 50/50 if it decides to pay you for all your cargo or not

[harsh peak]

I cant seem to extend my hull A cargo spindle

it just says retract

[leaden monolith]

Alt-K

[hidden garden]

what's the best refinement method for mining?

[pearl juniper]

depends how fast you need it and how much you are willing to spend to get it quickly.

[leaden monolith]

Dinyx - low cost, high yield and very long refinement time
Ferron Exchange - med cost, high yield and fairly quick refinement time.

Those are probably the two most used. Others can have their day in the sun depending on your needs.

[hidden garden]

i was looking at the ferron exchange. I set a dinyx queue up but 27 hours is a long time

[pearl juniper]

if you are doing a lot of mining it really doesn't matter. Do a few mining loads, then go haul the loads from two days ago that are now done, etc.

[hidden garden]

I definently want high yield to get the most bang for my buck

[pearl juniper]

but yeah, if 27h is too long for you to wait, either pay more for a faster process, or accept a lower yield

[hidden garden]

yeah ferron exchange is 9 hours or so with this current load with 8k cost for the refining

I dont think saving 4k is worth the 18 hours

is it worth getting the mole bags on the prospector? or is the process tedious?

[median gale]

Tedious, worth it

[pearl juniper]

yes, and kinda yes

you have to pull them off a mole though. As far as I know, they still bug through the elevators so don't bother trying to buy them.

[median gale]

Yeah, the elevator is a nightmare. You can do it that way, but very difficult. Pull them off of a mole if you can.

With the elevator, if you bring up two at a time they are stacked. One is supported by the other. You can remove one of them and then repeat. 90% of the time I still lost the bag trying to fight it loose.

[pastel flame]

Yeah this is forbidden knowledge and kind of works, but like blowing up the reclaimer to get at its cargo faster, it's still so blursed

At least they know about it and it will be fixed eventually...

[median gale]

Forbidden, like not supposed to mention it? Sorry, didn’t realize.

[pastel flame]

Nah just a turn of phrase.

It's good to let people know! That way they can experiment and see if it's worth it to them.

[median gale]

Complete pain in the ass. I don’t recommend it.

[pastel flame]

Agreed I spent about an hour fumbling around that way as well.

[hidden garden]

I will have to figure out how to do it at some point

more money per run that way

[median gale]

1.5x cargo capacity is nice

[still ridge]

is hull c working yet?

[pastel flame]

Occasionally it does yes

[still ridge]

is it worth using or should i jus wait like another 6mo to year

[spare cloud]

Not worth buying to make money with

If you reached a high enough hauling reputation to have Hull C missions, it's usable with no money loss

But still risk losing rep, tho it works quite reliably afaik

[tacit fossil]

Looking for someone who has experience mining with a ROC. Wondering what the best way is to sell your gems that you have mined when you are done for the day. I have tried storing the ROC from within my hanger, but it won't store that way. And pulling them out by hand is not an easy task.

[spare cloud]

But if you wanna buy and sell with a Hull C, that shit is broken

[spare cloud]

Take a storage box, put it at the back of your ROC next to the storage, and try to quickly open both the box and your ROC inventory at once, to transfer all from the rover to the box. If you can't do that, you can still transfer all from the ROC to your backpack, then from the backpack to the box. That'll avoid you the a bunch of walking around with a few gems.

Then you can put the box on your freight elevator and send it down.
Move the gems from the box inventory, to your local inventory and sell

[tacit fossil]

Thanks, but that isn't the intended gameplay, right? Things just aren't working correctly I am assuming?

[pastel flame]

Depends what you mean by "worth". When you have a lot of aUEC it's definitely worth buying one if you want to try the closest thing to Interstellar hauling currently available. It's kinda neat, and predictably janky. But you can make 250k+ per trip.

[spare cloud]

It's not the intended gameplay, and it's not broken either.

Stuff just isn't implemented to make it work like it should

[pastel flame]

This is the current info I used, but it's about to change wildly.

[tacit fossil]

You mean not being able to store the ROC from a hanger, is not a bug?

[spare cloud]

Not being able to store is definitely not normal.

[pastel flame]

It's semantics, but a "bug" in this context implies that they had implemented storing the ROC yet in the first place, and it was malfunctioning. Instead it's just a missing feature, as it were.

[tacit fossil]

Ok, because I assume if I could store it, then I could possibly sell directly from it.

[spare cloud]

Unfortunately not

[still ridge]

i mean like i have one and lkike 48 mil but is it worth invest 7mil plus for a full load or am i most likely gonna lose it to glitches or the docking timer

[coarse dome]

how do you sell stuff from roc mining

[ocean compass]

take it out from the roc, using a backpack, transfer the gems to a self-bought SCU box. send the box down the hangar's freight elevator. transfer the gems out using Local Inventory terminal from box to Local Storage. Go to Admin & sell gems

[pastel flame]

I don't recommend paying for cargo to trade with, obtain it other ways.

[coarse dome]

how can I scan rocks for roc mining im not getting any info when i scan

idk if its bugged or something

[hidden garden]

what sort of modules would I put on my prospector?

[ornate halo]

What laser? How good are you?

[median gale]

Helix with two Focus3 has been a good setup for me. Ran Hofstedt with a ReigerC3 earlier. Other combos might make more sense or work better for you, but that’s what I’ve used.

[hidden garden]

I havent failed the mini game besides times where it didnt give me the progress bar.

[ornate halo]

With the standard Arbor? Norm covered some of the basics- I'd do the Hofstede with a Reiger C3 as a next step just to get bigger and richer rocks

[hidden garden]

yeah I've only used the default so far

I must find this reiger it's not at this station

[median gale]

https://finder.cstone.space/ShipMiningMods1/2ceb0de9-105b-434e-a152-8af1fd1660d0

@hidden garden check that link

[latent pasture]

is there any particular components worth taking

a chart or smth of how much smth is worth

[pastel flame]

I like helix with reiger c3 and focus 3, but there's a lot of reasonable combos now

[vestal ravine]

I went to two Moons a week ago no gems I think it is server dependent. I've seen Daymar looking all flat and under these conditions gems will not form.

[coarse dome]

did one of the moons around hurston and everything worked as intended, I just need to learn how to off load gems faster instead of taking 75 at a time to the sell place

[vestal ravine]

That's cool I hope to get into the Sand Caves for Janalight and found a sneaky way to cheese them into showing up.

[coarse dome]

Literally no idea what that means haven’t played since the launch of the cargo update when they broke roc mining

[humble merlin]

Do tell

[vestal ravine]

Only in DM then you can decide what to do with the info.

[wheat moss]

Janalite is the best hand mined mineral wich can be sold at 17k (while the second best hand mined mineral is worth 275) but it only spawns in sand caves

[coarse dome]

ahhh, im just enjoying takin the zeus and roc out and spending like a couple days mining and survivin on the moons and make a little cash on the side

thinking about saving up and maybe getting the prospector

[humble merlin]

It's also extremely rare

[unkempt goblet]

Can the Reclaimer be fit with different salvage heads? Strange that i'm only getting 6 SCU out of one half of a Constellation so far. My salvage hoppers will fill once I blow it up and collect the chunks of course.

[hidden garden]

Is having a mole worth it? Or is it better to have a prospector and a hauler?

[teal kernel]

you can always rent a hauler, but for solo ops i'd say go pros and hauler mole is more of a multi-crew ship

[hidden garden]

Awesome because a c1 and prospector are cheaper than just the mole.

[teal kernel]

i wouldn't call a c1 a hauler more than a multi role

id say rent a cutlass black from the refinery level when you are ready to haul

but try to get hands on something with some actual space since the pros can get up to 32 scu on a standard load

[hidden garden]

Yeah currently I have an avenger and prospector so I'll want to rent something or buy something

[teal kernel]

you can get the cutty black from the ship rental terminals in the shop of the refinery levels

it's like 32k to rent or something

[teal kernel]

they both pledges?

[hidden garden]

Correct

[teal kernel]

i'd say look into upgrading the avenger to the cutlass black if you wanna keep a "fighter"

[hidden garden]

Isn't the cutlass now kinda squishy

I was thinking about the freelancer, but it's very old with no tractor beam

[teal kernel]

i had the Freelancer max, it was my favorite ship until i saw starlancer max

[hidden garden]

I don't know how to feel about the inner cargo area on the freelancers

[teal kernel]

that's why i opted for the starlancer max

the inner storage bays drop out and are side loaded from outside

[hidden garden]

I was thinking about the Taurus, but that'll be a few weeks to have enough change to buy it

[teal kernel]

connie taurus isn't a bad pick either

it's got more armaments than the freelancer/starlancer

[hidden garden]

Zeus is an option but the entrance seems a little small

[teal kernel]

i'd do a zeus for now and upgrade to the taurus or whatever after, if th ezeus isn't enough

[hidden garden]

I'll upgrade my avenger to a Zeus cl and go from there when I get paid

[latent pasture]

iirc the zues isnt too expensive ingaqme to buy; couple mil or smth

you could try buying one ingame to see if its right fit for you

its what I recommend to all my friends who wanna buy ships (and this is coming from someone whos 1 purchase away from space marshal)

I've had too many tyimes in past I've bought a ship with irl money that I just ended up not liking especially when the jump is from £90 to £120

that isnt an insigificant sum of £££

[hidden garden]

Yeah, time to rent the cutlass and start selling refined ore

[latent pasture]

idk if you can buy the zues atm actually

https://scfocus.org/ship-sale-rental-locations-history/

not seein it on the list :(

[teal kernel]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/zeus-mk-ii/Zeus-Mk-II-CL#buying-options

[latent pasture]

ok?

im explicitly referring to ingame purchase

[teal kernel]

i don't know about ingame though

could always ask in verse

[latent pasture]

https://discordapp.com/channels/82210263440306176/572706150286622720/1316000551359615068

[teal kernel]

someone might let you see one

[latent pasture]

but yeah a lot of people own a zues; I owned one for a while

currently in buyback

(mainly cuz I just dont use it)

but I do recommend it

[hidden garden]

Hmm guess when I get on in several hours I shall see if someone will let me check theirs out

[teal kernel]

preach it brother!

on that note do not upgrade referral bonuses unless you know for sure you want THAT ship you are upgrading to, CIG does not like rolling back referral bonuses

[latent pasture]

I never rollback

just keep moving up

[teal kernel]

yea i made that mistake

i got a 600i i don't want now

and anything bigger i don't want atm either

[hidden garden]

I don't have any referral bonuses sadly

[teal kernel]

more of a note for future possibly

[latent pasture]

I'm fortunate enough to be good at cooking; Souz Chef at a fancy place get paid enough to be able to throw £100 or so at the game every month

[teal kernel]

i sell mods for another game to pay for this game

XD

[hidden garden]

I can throw stuff at the game, but I just paid all my bills so I'm waiting to have a bigger savings before doing anything

[latent pasture]

but i also very vivdly remember when even just someone giving me £5 was life changing and meant I could eat, wasnt even that long ago

So I understand being hesitant with spending especially on this game

even if you have hte money; hesitance is good

fly before you buy is what I tell my friends :)

[hidden garden]

I was about to drop $300 on world of tanks without hesitation

[teal kernel]

you should learn the ccu game

simply to maximize your savings

[hidden garden]

I dont know if I have the multi year commitment to do ccu

[latent pasture]

if its a ship thats real big that you want; even before doing CCU; try before you buy see if someone in the verse or amongst ur friends or even in here

most people dont

I've played the game since 2018 and even I only just reached a point financially stable enough I could justify investing in ccu

[teal kernel]

i didn't but i did take advantage of someone elses patience and time

[latent pasture]

but im also at a point where

theres not many ships I want that are worth CCUing in

[hidden garden]

I'd probably go to the reddit section for buying ccu ships before doing ccu

[latent pasture]

anythingu nder £200 I dont see the point

[teal kernel]

someone was quitting the game and gifted out a bunch of stuff

[latent pasture]

and you cant CCU to the capital hull limited ones

[teal kernel]

melted the gift down and that's how i got the 600i

[hidden garden]

My org leader has a ton of things and it scares me how much that would have cost

[latent pasture]

many ORGs do pool investments tbf

[teal kernel]

i want the pioneer so badly

probably never have that ship though

[hidden garden]

I think that man has been investing since the game was a kick starter or something

[latent pasture]

the org I am in has one guy who has 2 pioneers; 3 orions; 3 hull-es; 2 idris and I think starliner

but hes only put forward like 20% of that

the other 40-50 people in the org put in the rest comebined

still a shit tonne of money

like colossal amount

and I think only one I contributed to was one orion then I've barely spoken to the org in months (and I only put in like £20)

[teal kernel]

yea i'm about to write a python script to purchase the pioneer since everything sells out so fast from people using scripts

[latent pasture]

my buddy got one this year no problem

[hidden garden]

I don't know his biggest just that he's spent well over 12k on this game

[teal kernel]

T_T

[latent pasture]

if you've got the disposable income go for it tbh

if I had that kinda money to drop now I would

but it'd needf to be money I wouldn't mind not having

[teal kernel]

if i had that kinda money to drop i'd be investing in deving my own game XD

[latent pasture]

nah

purely cuz

if you had enough money to drop 12k over 10 years

that doesnt mean you;'ve got the money to drop the like £100k it'd take to even start with a game like sc

[teal kernel]

i didn't say like sc

[hidden garden]

I want a spirit or zeus and this man has capital ships

[latent pasture]

that how it be

Spirit is good

C1 I think is the cargo varient?

its good

weird its only got one entrance

[hidden garden]

Yeah the zeus has 3 but spirit has 1

At least you can use the exterior tractor beam

[worthy wolf]

at this point its intrinsically apart of the design language of crusader ships to be 1 entrance bound

MSR is a solid ship, except for the 1 door thing. C1 is a solid ship, except for the 1 door thing

[latent drift]

I’ve been flying the C1 and the Zeus CL for a good bit now and like each of them quite a lot. The C1’s single entrance isn’t too bad since the cargo grid is on the sides.

The Zeus you can fill to the point you can’t get through the cargo bay anymore haha.

[kindred kestrel]

Mining vs Salvaging

Vulture vs Prospector

Lmk

[crimson mantle]

There's more risk/reward with mining. Finding the good stuff is a large part of it, and the extraction is more involved.

[crude thunder]

picked up a vulture, ran a short run to try and acclimate to it. 4 RMC, 3 CM, 1 gold, 1 iron, 1 scrap, 2 processed food... the controls switching between the heads wasn't very intuitive, had to look up the keyboard commands. I guess I need to upgrade the scrapers

[limpid sluice]

Comes stock with dual cinch or abrade + tractor.

Cinch is the most effecient for RMC but slow. Some people tend to swap it to a dual abrade, which is balanced to both speed and efficiency

[crude thunder]

yeah I remember seeing that in a couple videos with dual of the abrades

[latent pasture]

have the 50k C2 contracts been disabled? havent gottne one in a while

[vestal ravine]

I've been doing the Unverified salvage missions for 2 weeks now in general the best they've given me is the Connie's certainly no C2's and no sign of Wake of Disaster.

[pastel flame]

You won't see a C2 anymore there, agree with wildbill

That got changed when the salvage cargo nerf came through iirc

[hazy sorrel]

guys im not able to sell scrap at grim hex, this one is looted from bounty hunter missions, we were able to sell scrap from salvaging with reclaimer, whats the problem?

we cannot sell scrap on grim hex anymore?

[wind pilot]

For the vulture, best to stick to RMC honestly.

[crude thunder]

doesn't show as an option https://uexcorp.space/commodities/info/name/scrap/tab/locations_buying/?id_star_system=68

[crude thunder]

yeah I noticed the construction materials weren't lucrative ... I'm more getting practice in for when we might need them for crafting at some point.

[normal sorrel]

is there a place where i can rent a vulture?

[spare cloud]

Nope

[spare cloud]

Ship cargo grid layouts per manufacturer

Cargo grid representation of every flyable/drivable vehicle, using the largest containers possible.
Isometric view from behind

Credits : @erec

Website by @fluid rock with the latest updates : https://sc-cargo.space/

[spare cloud]

Cargo container sizes

From Size 1 (1 SCU) to Size 7 (32 SCUs)

Happy we didn't have to wait much longer. Erec just dropped the new super cool looking version with all the new stuff

[humble merlin]

I desire the ability to climb SCU crates

[spare cloud]

Yes, please

[crimson mantle]

No renting the vulture on LIVE 😢

[crude thunder]

is there a way to clear the buffer on the vulture like leftover construction materials?

[median gale]

Might be a better way, but I claimed it to clear the buffer.

[crimson mantle]

No, leftovers stay until you have a full SCU or claim 🙂

[hidden garden]

I heard they were nerfing salvaging in the next update is that true?

[humble merlin]

I heard the opposite
#flight-combat-racing message

64k for a entry level salvage mission

[crimson mantle]

So far the prices of the salvage commodities are down, but that is still in flux until live.
They did seem to buff mission rewards.

[coarse dome]

So been doing roc mining for awhile now, as a two man team i fly he mines with the roc we split the profits, but im trying to find something else for us to do and where we should upgrade, any advice, i dont need the best money method but something fun

[leaden reef]

foxxy actually successfully did a hull c run from pyro to stanton for ~40% margin https://youtu.be/kUaOJ7jGYTs

[leaden reef]

have you guys done ghost hollow?

deactive comm array comm array ST4-22 and then head to ghost hollow and head inside to terminals. you'll be able to get auec as long as you stick around and press something on the terminals every once in a while

[humble merlin]

How much do you get from this?

[leaden reef]

1.5 - 1.8 million per hour allegedly

unless they nerfed it recently and no one knows about it

[coarse dome]

interesting

[leaden reef]

looks like server errors break it https://issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-115073

[cursive crown]

anyone doing salvage?

[drifting cave]

Can you do hauling contracts in a hull C?

[spare cloud]

Yes

First H-C contracts are at experienced level iirc

[wheat sonnet]

has automated unloading/loading been working in the PU?

[spare cloud]

It's 50/50

[crude thunder]

I found an easy workaround... I just parked at new babbage and then someone came crashing into my open hangar door with a constellation trying to mate with my vulture till both blinked out of existence. Then filed the claim.

[hidden garden]

What's the best way to do sell orders for mining? Should I auto load the ship or manually load it as much as I can?

The cutty black is saddening by only allowing me to sell 1 order at a time

[pearl juniper]

there is no manual loading for refinery jobs (yet)

you can manually unload or move things off the grid to free up space to take a second job though.

[hazy sorrel]

but we could sell scrapthere that we had from salvaging(reclaimer) just day before

[pearl juniper]

salvaging doesn't generate scrap, it generates RMC and construction materials

unless you tractor beamed boxes of scrap out of a ship you salvaged (don't do this, it's one of the most worthless commodities in the game)

[pastel flame]

My only advice you won't immediately see on your own is to consider, depending how picky you are mining, what you take on your cargo trips.

If I have a lot of a really high end material, I will deliver the refinery order to the ship, then call the ship and put it in the cargo elevator for later. That way you can take your first and urgent trips with your most valuable stuff.

Some people just prefer to run it all and in the end that saves time, mostly just good if you're paranoid about new patches and stuff.

[coarse dome]

is solo mole viable, i have been enjoying the prospector but i feel like i run into more rocks I cant break then can

[spare cloud]

You totally need to read the #rules_and_information again as this violates a bunch of them like Rule 4 and Rule 5

[near swallow]

I think I've actually been able to do something like that before, but it's been a while since I tried.

[near swallow]

Using a Mole solo is fine, except right now there is a bug where the pilot's seat can't access the mining UI to scan rocks properly, you can only use the other scanner. Fix coming in 4.0.

[near swallow]

When it comes to selling minerals at TDD, I manually unload the ship and move all the boxes into the warehouse before going to TDD to sell.

[hidden garden]

isnt that what you need to do?

[near swallow]

Unless it bugs out, you can sell minerals at TDD using auto-unloading with the ship stored. However, after every individual mineral sale, you'd have to wait for the unloading to finish before doing the next sale.

If your entire cargo was one mineral type, selling it via auto-unloading would be a lot easier, but maybe not quicker.

[hidden garden]

Hmmm okay

I didn't know you could sell out of the ship

[pearl juniper]

is that a new bug? You didn't used to have to do that (and I mean post 3.24, I sold multiple types without waiting and it worked).

[near swallow]

The very first time I tried to sell minerals after freight elevators were added it bugged out and I had to switch to manual unloading and selling.

That was around September

[pearl juniper]

yeah, it seems to have gotten better and then maybe worse again over the last couple of patches. I seem to recall it rarely worked in 3.24 (or maybe I didn't try it?), then in .1 it worked fine, and then it got buggy again in .2

[near swallow]

I haven't tried auto-unloading with a mixed mineral cargo lately. Just single mineral cargo. (AKA commodity trading.)

[wheat sonnet]

is the caterpillar easy to move stuff out of when its full? i've had so much trouble with zues and starlancer max with boxes getting jammed, mining orders just put it all in there

[near swallow]

Depends a bit on what size containers and which side you are unloading from. You ideally want to unload from the right side, because the catwalk is on the left.

The last time I unloaded a Cat (not mine, NPC owned from Save Stanton) I tried to unload on the left, and some boxes just didn't want to go out that way so I had to take them out the right side and around the front of the ship.

[wheat sonnet]

if its managable from one side thats fine

[pallid talon]

@small galleon hows the max?

[obtuse flower]

Ok, so i ✨️found✨️ a connie with 72scu of silicone. Took it to from hex, unloaded it, and it says i can't sell because the scu crates are too big. What do i do

[leaden monolith]

My view is I like the ship but I'm not a fan of the cargo layout or the fact that a ship this size only has 224scu of cargo on grid.

[limpid sluice]

If uexcorp is correct, I don't see anywhere in Stanton that has any demand for Silicon. So probably toss the boxes

[obtuse flower]

Damn, so it has to be in demand for it too be sold?

[limpid sluice]

I mean, no one's gonna buy something they don't want

Looks like there's places in Pyro that will accept them? But won't do any good right now, and everything gets wiped for the patch anyways

[vocal swan]

I see Area18 has some demand for it on SC Trade Tools.

[crimson mantle]

Area18 might buy right now. Take it with a grain of salt.

[obtuse flower]

Even if it's stolen?

[limpid sluice]

Don't forget, it's probably stolen as it's not theirs

[crimson mantle]

Ah then no, you are out of luck

[obtuse flower]

Damn

[vocal swan]

Throw them out of the back of your ship to dissuade pursuers!

[hidden garden]

I swapped to two abrade modules on my vulture and it feels nice

[small galleon]

Haven't played as much. Waiting for the wipe. But man, it's my new favorite ship honestly

[tacit fossil]

I know your question was directed at someone else, but I will say I like the Max. I like that it has 224scu AND room for other vehicles at the same time. The only thing I don't like (and this is true of all freelancer style ships), is the limited view from the cockpit. They really could put a little more glass in there and provide more visibility.

[sonic fiber]

I don't think I'll play till 40. I'm burnt out from ice and mining seems pointless if there's a wipe

[tacit fossil]

I don't disagree either. I find it hard to be motivated to play with the impending wipe. I have however tried a few different things that I probably would not have if the wipe wasn't coming soon.

I tend to be a little less reserved when a wipe is just around the corner.

[tacit fossil]

I haven't done that yet, but probably will after the next wipe, but I always run my abrade with a cinch. Two cinch modules is just too slow...

[tacit fossil]

I quit even trying. Got tired of going back and forth multiple times from the hanger to the TDD to discover I could not sell it from the ship, and would have to go back and unload and then travel back to the TDD again.... Would love for it to work, but not willing to risk it due to travel times.

[hidden garden]

you can grab a second abrade for like 1.5 so it makes it go really fast honestly

[tacit fossil]

Yeah not worried about the money. Just trying to decide if speed vs. material loss is worth it. I guess I will just have to test that.

I am also really curious about pricing differences for salvaging in the new patch. I know they are making economy tweaks, but haven't really followed the details.

[hidden garden]

well with bounties giving rewards it will be even better to do them faster

[pastel flame]

Last I saw it was 8k RMC, 2.somethingk construction mats

But iirc it was changed again

[hidden garden]

what's the current price?

[tacit fossil]

12K

[tacit fossil]

12k for RMC that is. I don't really sell construction mats.

[hidden garden]

hmm a 33% decrease for a reward on completion and no more fee

[tacit fossil]

The value on construction mats has always been too low for it to be worth the space in the cargo hold.

[hidden garden]

for the vulture at least

idk about the reclaimer

I wont use one, because unloading that thing is not worth the trouble

[tacit fossil]

Correct. I am speaking from the vulture's perspective. With the reclaimer, there is so much space you don't have to be as picky.

[tacit fossil]

Yeah I feel like the loading/unloading of the reclaimer really wasn't well thought out in the design of that ship. Hoping that they revisit it, but auto-unloading will be nice when that is working reliably.

[pastel flame]

Whole back of the ship needs to open!

[spring prism]

Another elevator system between the Cargo and Salvage Holds would be neat.

[tacit fossil]

Yeah I really don't know what is up with that one elevator in the rear that just drops down a few feet. It barely allows a large crate to pass through and out, and since it doesn't go to the ground you are still throwing the crates out anyway.

[pastel flame]

Or a side opening that exposes the multiple decks!

[pastel flame]

Ya it's horrible rattling 8+ out of that thing. Or destructing it.

[tacit fossil]

Given the location of the freight elevators in relation to the hanger or other pads, I would vote for a side opening!

[pastel flame]

I think it would require the least effort on their part and would be fun to whip boxes out the side and watch them fall

[mossy nest]

This probably isn't the right place to ask this but has anyone ever trailed a Polaris crew on a grind for salvage?

[near swallow]

The only thing I'd use Cinches for, would be for small ships. (Like the Arrow.) Everything else, Abrade is the way to go in my book.

[near swallow]

There are tracks on the underside of the ship that the platform's supposed to follow, going forward towards the main elevator. What it would do then, I don't know. It is called the Salvage Lift though. And it was no doubt designed before the current version of salvage came about. It's possible it was meant to lift physical salvage into the salvage hold, and maybe also go between the salvage hold and salvage storage underneath. (I may have forgotten the proper terms for those two areas.)

Original idea was the Reclaimer would be cutting ships up into bits, rather then dissolving them.

[pastel flame]

This is the right place. THe Vulture fits in the Polaris, so it would work fine, but I prefer to have a support ship that's smaller for most vulture ops. Polaris is kind of fun because you can deep space solo with it and the vulture.

[mossy nest]

@pastel flame I hear you, but I waa more thinkingntwo teams. A Polaris crew doing bounties and a vulture crew comingnin for cleanup. In return for the bounty salvage maybe there could be slme sort of deal. Like a finders fee from the lrofit, not the total value of the cargo. If the lot is large enough to turn a pofit over X%?

[mossy nest]

So basically one crew kills a bunch of ships and if the kill is large enough here and there the Polaris crew gets a small reward. Trying to plan an fun session where everyone feels like they got something out of it.

[pastel flame]

Hmm, it would be a fun thing to do, but a few thoughts. First, a polaris fully functioning absolutely blows through large ships, even a reclaimer wouldn't be able to keep up just munching. So a Vulture would have their hands full.

The reason I kind of like a small cargo ship to support the vulture is because you can run it with 2 people, and that actually can be very profitable especially running the new missions!

A polaris and 2 reclaimers would be a good matchup

[mossy nest]

There we go! Sounds like a nice venture. Woukd you be willing join in on something like that, or know anyone who would?

[pastel flame]

I mostly do smaller scale salvage ops, it can get a bit complex and unwieldy with bigger crews, but who knows what will end up being the most fun in Pyro...

Going to dabble in everything.

[mossy nest]

If you ever wanna throw your vulture in the back and crew up let me know.

[iron knot]

Wheres the guild channel

[wind pilot]

!org

[jolly dagger]

Star Citizen Organizations

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• Talking about org-related topics is fine though. For example: asking how orgs manage their groups, asking if it's worth joining an org now or waiting till later, what kind of org community would fit their play-style better, etc.

You may use the following resources for Org-related activity:
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[hoary hinge]

doing phase4, didn't realise that the missions would count number of boxes, not number of SCU, bought everything in 2SCU boxes and now won't have enough

Is there a way to get it all repacked into 1SCU boxes?

[spare cloud]

It definitely counts in SCUs. Unless there's one version that doesn't ?

I completed mine with all the right amounts in SCUs

Filled a C2 with 6x boxes of each size from 1 to 16 SCU, for agricium, food and meds

[tacit fossil]

Thanks for that explanation. I was not aware of all of that. I am crossing fingers that it can be reworked in the future to take into account current game mechanics and just in general make it easier to get items in and out of it's various cargo/storage areas.

[near swallow]

The Reclaimer definitely needs work, interior and exterior.

[pastel flame]

It's number of SCU, but you can overfill it's not going to divvy it all up for you

Before Bexalite got its refresh upped, I had one mining load of it where I lost 14 scu from a 16 scu box I couldn't choose 🙂

[copper apex]

Two things

1. Are they nerfing salvage again

2. Is mining worth getting a prospector. I haven't really enjoyed handling loading my ships so cargo is out

[pearl juniper]

1. I'm not sure anyone really knows. Even if it's different in the current patch on the PTU, it still could be changing.
2. I like mining. It's more fun than salvage in my opinion, and decent money.
3. It sounds like other mission payouts are increasing as well. So if you don't actually enjoy mining or salvage, there may be less reason to do it vs doing other missions.

[wind pilot]

1. Yes. 8500 per 1 SCU
2. Yes

[spare cloud]

But on the other hand they buffed contracts reward

[wind pilot]

Haven’t checked that out yet

I never do contracts xD

[spare cloud]

Well yeah, they made salvage so that contracts are useless

Doing them in LIVE is foolish

[pastel flame]

1. hard to say. Scraping rates are higher in PTU, and although composite is less, construction is doubled. THis is just my experience doing multiple salvages as of last night in pyro

[pastel flame]

Nah still great

Just better in pyro

Especially if you have a 2 man crew the missions are way better

The starter missions for salvage are rough, big jumps for arrows, very low rep reward, still cost 1k

It's after that

[pastel flame]

@spare cloud it hasnt' been mentioned much but panels are not what they used to be in pyro

*in 4.0

[ashen fractal]

hi, I am a new player learning about trading. is this website reliable for commodity prices or should I check the prices ingame? https://sc-trade.tools/home

[coarse ember]

it's pretty reliable, do be aware everything is user submitted and it can be a bit of pain to navigate sometimes, uexcorp is another trading site for commodities but it's kinda cluttered so it takes a minute to find what you're looking for

[pastel flame]

As costco says, plus commodities are about to flip wildly upside down.

[latent drift]

Have they done the commodity price changes in 4.0 on the PTU already?

[coarse ember]

yeah ammo no longer is buyable for like 5 bucks, gallant ammo costs me 500auec now

so about 11 auec per round

oh wait i'm a dumbfuck i thoguth they were talking price changes in general not commodities

i gotta start reading channel names before i reply

[pastel flame]

Yep and there's a bunch of new resources

Big profits, big risk

[crimson mantle]

We do our best to provide the most accurate data we can.
But as others said, it's community driven as we have no official support.

[ocean compass]

hey man can i get some tech support for your website?

i cant use your website at all

this is a zoomed out view, the settings basically default. i just wanna see whats a good run on the c2, with basically unlimited money

sc tools just dont work

[pearl juniper]

I'm sure the website has no idea what to do with that string of question marks. Put some numbers in there. 100,000,000 if you want "basically unlimited"

[ocean compass]

thats not ?

thats 9 lol

[pearl juniper]

lol, wtf. Looked like ???????????????????? on my phone. Sorry!

[ocean compass]

yeah figured so, already mentioned zoomed out view

[crimson mantle]

That overflows the integer.
I think the max supprted value is 100M

[ocean compass]

i see, ok noted no more than 100m 😄

[mild pumice]

did they add key bindings for tractor beam push/pull or is it still mouse wheel only?

[spare cloud]

Mouse wheel only. It was Alt + Mouse wheel for ship tractor beams before 3.24.2. For once they removed the Alt

[mild pumice]

I need a way to push/pull without the mouse wheel it's killing my wrist 😦

I'm doing all I can to minimize such as dragging sideways, etc

[spare cloud]

Free rolling mouse wheel is the way, I wish I had one

[mild pumice]

Yeah I actually do have a logitech one, I might just adopt it for hauling missions lol

it's my laptop mouse

[rich lichen]

Am I think of this wrong 3.6 SCU with dual trawler vs 6 SCU of dual cinch is not worth the 3x speed boost from the trawlers?

[spare cloud]

Trawler will be a lot better to salvage big stuff. Not fly from small cluster of panel to an other.
Doing this, it kinda negates the speed advantage, cause after 2 minutes of scrapping you have to find something else to eat.
It'll be best on a Vulture ran with a cargo ship, or a Reclaimer, and to eat a lot of stuff in one place

Abrade is the way, always is.

[rich lichen]

Kind of what I was determining

It does make it feel less grindy though

[spare cloud]

Yeah Cinch pains me

Spend so much time on one piece, the way it feels, it's so slow

[rich lichen]

Wonder how one cinch and one trawler would be

[spare cloud]

Two Abrades

[wind pilot]

Cinch is slow, but you get more out of a panel

10 (Cinch) vs 6 (Abrade) SCU worth of RMC on the big panel

So its basicly, its time scraping vs time searching (if the field doesn't have either big panels or not enough)

[rich lichen]

I don’t get 10 SCU on big panels with cinch more like 6.3

[wind pilot]

Well whatever it is, point is Cinch is more efficient.

This is a better screenshot to compare them all

Thought the efficiency numbers are wrong.

0.85 for Cinch, 0.77 for Abrade, 0.51 for Trawler.

[rich lichen]

Almost think abrade would be close enough

Almost the same efficiency but speed is faster

[wind pilot]

Yeah

lemme do this..

4x the speed of the abrade according to this.

[tall linden]

Any predictions which will be more profitable in 4.0, salvage or mining? I have some store credit, so might grab a prospector or vulture.

[pearl juniper]

is this a current comparison? Because that sounds very much like the pre vs post panel nerf values.

[wind pilot]

This is according to Erkul the 4.0 stats.

[spare cloud]

For its own radius.
Speeds given here are for each module's own radius

[wind pilot]

Welp, sounds like a timer will have to be pulled out for me to determine which one i will go with.

but the cinch was good for me the last time, i sat a panel longer perhaps, but the trip itself felt faster.

[pearl juniper]

yeah if the cinch gives 2x the material from a single panel it could well be worth it, even if it takes 2x longer to scrape a panel. Less time finding is always a good thing.

[pearl juniper]

word on the street is salvage material prices are down, so mining may well be more profitable. I haven't heard what if any change is coming to the price of mineables. I know there are NEW mineables that may or may not change things as well.

I sincerely HOPE that mining becomes the more profitable one, given the increased complexity and cost of entry of the loop (cargo ship required), it really ought to pay more.

[wind pilot]

8500 aUEC Per 1 SCU in 4.0

[tall linden]

Yeah, I'm leaning towards mining it was my main source of income pre 3.18. Now that I have a SL MAX, I think it would pair well.

[rich lichen]

They half it?

Thought it was 14-16k

[wind pilot]

at live is up to 13.9k

[rich lichen]

That’s dumb if they dropped it considering they bumped missions

[wind pilot]

Lowest i've seen is like 12.650 on live

that's maybe why they dropped it, cause nobody was doing missions.

[rich lichen]

Boring loop should have a payout commensurate with the hair loss it causes

[wind pilot]

I wasn't, better to grab panels then pay for a mission that barely gives money.

Still hve to check the contracts in 4.0 however. Someone said they pay much better now.

[rich lichen]

I was doing it because missions are just bugged and it’s quicker to salvage with minimal bugs than retry missions 4x

[wind pilot]

I mean, Panels are just outside of stations, so it was just flying to whatever station was closest and go. Then back to main hanger, unload, repeat.

[rich lichen]

My 2 salvage bugs are visual, random wireframe flicker in field and an inkblot like bug on collision in the vulture

[wind pilot]

The bug that annoyed me the most was the big panels not showing up until you almost flew into them. Can happily report that its fixed.

[pearl juniper]

or maybe people shouldn't feel compelled to do loops they find boring just for the money. People DO enjoy salvage, or so they claimed when it paid ridiculously well.

[rich lichen]

I enjoy it when I profit

[rich lichen]

In 4.0 its fixed ?

[pearl juniper]

yeah. I enjoyed it for a while, and the profit was nice. Then found I enjoyed mining more, and the profit was almost as good / better if you got lucky. Which is kinda fun.

[rich lichen]

Ptu has it atm

[rich lichen]

Cheaper ship too

[pearl juniper]

Vulture vs Prospector you mean? Yeah, slightly cheaper. Not by a huge amount though. But not needing a separate cargo ship is big

[rich lichen]

Ya

Well I do 26scu at a time

[spare cloud]

You don't fill the buffer with it ?

Or maybe it's the cargo hold you don't fill ?

You can fit like 39 SCU in a Vulture, you want to check the pins about it

[rich lichen]

I only do 26 at a time it gives me a lil break

13 in hold 13 in buffer

[wind pilot]

I usually go to like 34 or something

[pallid talon]

@sonic forum i havent played in over 2 weeks help i need to finish phase 4 before 4.0 😭 but im lazy

[sonic forum]

You can find me on Pyro II!!!!

[pallid talon]

what ship is that?

[sonic forum]

Eclipse

[sonic forum]

By the way it’s not difficult

You should do that if you miss only p4

I mean, if you care about the rewards

I got the Ardor repeaters but as now I haven’t even equipped em

[pallid talon]

what size are they

3?

[sonic forum]

You get both size 3 and 2

Not 4 unfortunately

[pallid talon]

bruh

how cringe

[sonic forum]

On paper they are good, stronger than the base attritions, but yeah i don’t really use attrition’s on pvp honestly.

[pallid talon]

i wanna use my max but im bored of star citizen until 4.0 comes out

[sonic forum]

Strongly recommend you to try the EPTU 4.0 because saying that i’m having a blast is an understatement. It’s not really easy for me to say that i’m VERY HAPPY about how SC is going

But at present time, i love it.

[pallid talon]

[sonic forum]

Exploring it with your Starlancer will make you feeling at home here, awesome system to have a mobile base

[pallid talon]

stoppppp

ur making me wanna

[tall linden]

One of the reasons I got the SL was for 4.0.

Zeus, SL and Carrack loaner, I think I'm ready. Just need a Prospector or Vulture.

[nimble urchin]

Do you guys know if the Argo pods are swapable rn? I am trying to figure out why I should keep the Argo cargo over the tractor

[north oyster]

The bags fall through the freight elevator

[sonic forum]

Was the right decision, the Starlancer here feels good! I kept the Zeus for myself and it’s perfect, otherwise to run other operations we just go around as a team with the Polaris

[rich lichen]

Abrade is doing 5.5 SCU per large panel I’m happy with that

6 mins per panel

[nimble urchin]

Wdym?

[pearl juniper]

I don't think he's talking about mining pods

[north oyster]

If you purchase the Argo bags and try to bring them up the freight elevator, they drop thru the elevator and vanish

Ah, ok, my apologies

[nimble urchin]

No I am talking the MPUV cargo and personnel pod

But thanks I’ll keep an that in mind

[safe socket]

Is planetside mining still bugged to shit?

Im really wanting to get into mining gameplay loop but had heard a while ago that it wasnt working

[coarse ember]

think it's since been fixed

[rich lichen]

I’ve found myself giving money to newbies today got two of them into vultures

One of us one of us

Let them get addicted to the loop so they grind into it and buy with their own auec on 4.0

[sonic forum]

It was my original start, i was yapping in global chat about my goal of reaching 2.8 mills for the Vulture, i was at 1.8, long grinding with a Cutter, and a guy suddenly sent me 1.5 millions to get the Vulture plus some upgrades

That Vulture has paid for all my fleet later, even if now i got more pledged ships

I was very very very happy that day

So you did good o7

[rich lichen]

I want to finish my ccu chain for 4.0 and start grinding rmc in stanton to buy a ship worthy of pyro

Dying Star Paint + dual abrades all I need for day 1 to be happy

[sonic forum]

I can easily see why! Salvaging in Pyro will be awesome. New salvage missions plus TONS of ships that for sure you will find easily. I’m getting myself into pvp every single time i go there, having zero laws really makes a difference

Lot of RMC waiting for you..

[rich lichen]

And interdictions I imagine

[sonic forum]

It happened to me, one time, yesterday
So yes, it will definitely be a thing

In my opinion if i would do salvaging in Pyro, i would not go excessively far from a station. The furthest you go, the hardest it gets

[rich lichen]

I also think 26 scu would be the max I’d do

No reason to show as a gold mine

[sonic forum]

It’s a good compromise. Getting 35 SCUs in the Vulture it’s a bit risky in that system, mostly because you would waste a lot of time if you loose everything

26 seems good

[rich lichen]

Yeah

I wonder if the buffer shows on a scan

[sonic forum]

I noticed something yesterday, not sure if it’s happening on every Vulture, i need to check better

And it’s not really a good news:

Scanned a Vulture, ship told me it had 40 SCUs of RMC

which is not even possible

[rich lichen]

It is

[sonic forum]

Went inside it (abandoned ship) and it was empty

[rich lichen]

You can fit 40 it’s a pain but it fits

[sonic forum]

40? Are you sure?

[rich lichen]

13 in buffer 13 locked to grid the rest down the hall and up to the ladder

Yes I did 38 today and if I planned right could of fit the other 2

[sonic forum]

Oh i see. Yeah my max was always 35, i never tested above that

[rich lichen]

People have pics / videos of it working

[sonic forum]

The bad news itself was that the ship had not even a single SCU, it was entirely empty, but the scan said it was full

If it’s a bug, unless it gets fixed, you are likely to being attacked even with an empty ship

So i will check better

[rich lichen]

Weird

[kindred kestrel]

Mining vs Scrapping

[safe socket]

When you are going to refine do you have to put all youre ore bags in the freight elevator or just store youre ship

[wheat sonnet]

store ship, at the refinery you select your ship to refine the ore from, dont unload the ore

[safe socket]

Awesome thank you

[sinful stump]

I hope refueling actually gets a place in this game

[pearl juniper]

Or land on a pad. Doesn't have to be stored

[late raven]

If I store a ship full of cargo, will the cargo persist when I summon it back?

[spare cloud]

Yes

[nova plank]

It’s 12 locked to the grid and 13 along the pathway and in front of the buffer terminal. Basically you can fit 39 exactly strictly in the cargo hold and buffer, and then 3 up the ladder, and another 4 in the walkway before the hab area

Not feasible, but doable. When weight becomes a thing, you wouldn’t do this as it can prevent the ship from lifting off or flying properly

You could get 14 if you can manage to keep the box in front of the buffer dispenser in the air as it is dispensing the last one.

[nova plank]

It needs to be stored in order for the refinery UI to register it.

[hollow sedge]

Is there only 1 entrance at RAB-Supervisor?

[pearl juniper]

No it doesn't. I have unloaded from pads dozens of times.

Saves quite a bit of time

[nova plank]

Hm... It's never worked for me when I'm on a pad. Probably due to the sheer amount of ships that players abandon on them, effectively making them useless.

It's better to store the ship in the hangar for reliability though

[vestal ravine]

Anyone have the sell price of CM in 4.0 world?

[coarse ember]

i forget if it was ruin or checkmate but in pyro they take it for about 2.6k per scu

[vestal ravine]

Ok great that's about $1,400 higher than in Stanton. Hope it stays that way!

[sonic forum]

Reward is high, no doubts. But if you go down there alone that’s a death sentence

Pyro is REALLY an anarchic hell right now (and i love it for this)

Ground outposts are filled with bad people, same story in the air or space

Trading commodities on the ground will be a challenge. Better on stations, but even there it’s still risky

[cunning agate]

Liberator Armed Trader

[vestal ravine]

I am mainly thinking of Pyro from salvaging with a Reclaimer and or Vulture. Of course I could stay in Stanton and do that but I have an edge in that I have two accounts with twin PC's. And, I very much want to explore Pyro for better or worse. The last part of my plan is to CCU up to a Polaris for carting around the Vulture. These pirates can't be everywhere at once after all!!

[tired inlet]

It is a death sentence for whoever is standing in between me and my cargos. Nothing stops this spacer from making a delivery on time.

[pastel flame]

I've done a lot of pyro salvage, it has big lows and big highs. I'm really hoping they adjust the rep system before it goes live for salvage but have my doubts!

I really love how quick and responsive scraping has been. The mission locations are good, and the vulture can handle the distances, at least working out of Ruin station where I base.

Biggest issue is, you could do 5 early salvage arrow missions, and only be 1/10 at best through the rep

Once you break through that it gets good

[cunning agate]

50 missions to the good stuff.

Well nobody can say you didn’t earn it!

[tropic swallow]

Are the "luminalia themed" cargo missions in the game?

[feral steeple]

wo they broke the landing gear/ramps on the c2 again

[sonic forum]

Well that’s the right spirit in my opinion

Just pay attention

[tired inlet]

don't be a victim, be a lure is what pa always told me

[ocean compass]

since when it wasnt broken?

been broken since 3.23

[feral steeple]

was fixed in 4.0 yesterday

3.24 broken, worked great in 3.23

[cunning agate]

Two Prospectors in a Polaris.

Well not in this picture. But it is clear they will fit.

[humble merlin]

Or 6 arrows 👀

If that is an arrow on the right

[cunning agate]

It is. Six would be a stretch.

Plus committing six players to Arrows would be an interesting decision.

[subtle forum]

are you high lol

you might just be able to squeeze 5 in there

barely

[humble merlin]

I mean... It looks like you could fit 6 in there

it'd be tight for sure

[wind pilot]

That still counts 5

[humble merlin]

I didn't move the top two so you could see that I outlined the one arrow

But you could angle them like a V on either side and fit a 6th one I think

I don't have a polaris to try it with or I would XD

[livid briar]

Will a crewed reclaimer hold its own in a small scrap with a light fighter or two?

[spare cloud]

Any crewed S3+ shielded ship should hold good against a light fighter or two

[livid briar]

"Hold up" in terms of fight off threat, or run away

[thorn valley]

like to hear opinions, using my vulture to get my next ship purchase. Thinking of the cheap Hull ship. easy to load. easy to unload. i could take up some hauling missions, and what ever space is left i could load trade goods for additional money. any advice.

[spare cloud]

PvE, fight off. PvP, run away.

[pastel flame]

Yep it will work for that, but it's main thing is mostly Salvage. If you enjoy Salvage it's a great choice.

[spare cloud]

A fully crewed Reclaimer is honestly quite a threat for an Arrow or two. But if they're not dumb they'll poke you from far away and there won't be much you'll be able to to

[pastel flame]

They will remain 500+ meters and you will run or die

I have killed plenty of bad players in an m7A laser equipped connie so never doubt yourself

[coarse ember]

if you're lucky they see a reclaimer and figure it isnt worth the time to soft death and just go, had that happen once or twice

[pastel flame]

Yep, fuck unloading that thing, lol

Going in and taking everything off the cargo grid

[coarse ember]

yeah it sucks ass to unload, esp the 16 and 8 scu that hit the edges of the dors

[pastel flame]

Soft deathing reclaimers to pirate sucks because there's lots of places for people to hide as well, even if you know they're in there

[thorn valley]

perhaps my statement was confusing. i have a vulture. im using the money im making to buy a hull A . is that the cheaper one? and using that.

[pastel flame]

Sorry friend, first post of teh day, I read you wrong

I would recommend against the Hull A. It's a cozy little ship, but will quickly get outpaced by cargo missions and the grid can be a pain(ymmv)

Honestly for what you're describing, it's a fine ship.

No cargo beam kinda sucks

[thorn valley]

but all its cargo is on the outside. gotta be the easiest

[pastel flame]

You'd think that, but no

Especially in the black of space

I got a Hull A a while back to play around with that was just my personal 2 cents

[thorn valley]

whats another ship around the 1.5m-2.0m that also has cargo and simple

[pastel flame]

I would recommend the CO Nomad

It has a tractor, 24 scu of cargo, and is a great little combat ship as well. It can hold a ROC miner too.

1.5 mil at Lorville

If you are low on aUEC, i'd be happy to donate you 6 mil so you can try them both before the wipe?

[thorn valley]

sure. like to try them out.

[pastel flame]

What's your IGN?

[thorn valley]

Boomer001

[pastel flame]

Just logging over from PTU. This way you won't be surprised by the wrong choice in 4.0

[thorn valley]

ya. already thinking about pledging for a vulture. but the next purchase is where im not sure

[pastel flame]

Sent, godspeed buddy o7

[thorn valley]

i got it. thanks. ill purchase them both and give em a whirl before the reset. appreciate it

[sonic forum]

The Nomad is a cool ship but also limited on cargo. SCU quantity is not high at all. The Hull A is not bad at all in my opinion, but for 2.1 millions, i would consider the Cutlass Black. You got more space than the Nomad, and unlike the Hull A the Cutlass CAN fight. And can hit quite hard.

Not to mention that it can do basically everything, it has even a tractor beam.

[pastel flame]

I kept it under 2 mil as requested, but the Cutty black is a great ship also

Good suggestion

[sonic forum]

Yeah that was correct, my simple opinion is that if i have to spend 2 millions already, i would go for 2.1 at that point

[pastel flame]

No cargo tractor on it, which really does suck, but not a huge deal.

[sonic forum]

Never owned a Nomad by the way, not even in game. Not a fan of his aesthetic. But i said this for a lot of ships that now i love..
Will need to buy one and try it

[pastel flame]

Yeah it's cheap in game definitely worth a gander. The interior is cozy even if the ladder can be a pain. It's decent in combat and amazing for roc/small cargo

[limpid sluice]

Has anyone looked at Hull C trading in Pyro yet? Mostly just curious

[pastel flame]

Ya, there's also some really big dev posts on it that got buried in the feedback forums on spectrum. Basically it works, but barely, and can be hugely profitable

Like 7k per scu profitable

Which in big ships is insane profit

[leaden monolith]

For me the Nomad is a great "little" ship. Overlooked because of its' looks but it's the little ship that can

[limpid sluice]

It better be hugely profitable for the risk lol

[pastel flame]

Enough to warrant paying escorts, maybe

[limpid sluice]

What commodity were you trading? I'm looking around but mostly just seeing scrap as the most profitable for a hull C at around 1.5k profit

[sonic forum]

So yeah, i paid the price for my behavior, i always attacked first because i do not trust other players, for the first time i was doing a delivery mission on Sheperd's nest, got sniped immediately after leaving my Cutlass, and my dead body ended up being loaded with a tractor beam inside an hostile ship for who knows which horrible reasons

probably about to turn me into human meat bars

beware people!

[thorn valley]

well I wanted to try cargo hauling and starting off I'm limited to the mission types. and having to accept multi contracts At a time to make it worth while. I have found out I can take the 1 scu and toss them into a bigger container. so using the 12 scu cargo, the hull can load 4 makes unloading only 4 containers easy and fast. so I can go to a load elevator, toss the contracts tuff into a large container and load that one real fast and go. it's simply a game playloop I wanted to try till I level up and can do bigger stuff

[pastel flame]

I'm talking about 4.0, but scrap in pu is still really bad

Use that til pyro

[pastel flame]

Sucks when good will is rewarded like that...

[sonic forum]

I probably deserve it HAHAHAHHAHA
but it was great fun

[pastel flame]

My fav in PU is batches of 7 in the connie taurus

[limpid sluice]

i was also asking and talking about 4.0, since my original question was about Hull C trading in Pyro, afterall lol

[pastel flame]

Yeah, but it really confused me when you said all you could see was scrap

[limpid sluice]

yeah as the most profitable trade

[pastel flame]

There's been a huge cargo rework including new top tier resources

[limpid sluice]

you can make like 8 mil of a hull c scrap run

[pastel flame]

Maybe on old info?

[limpid sluice]

just looking at uexcorp, since they list pyro locations, i assume the data is up to date as can be

[pastel flame]

There's a great test and breakdown posted around but i'm on my phone

[limpid sluice]

Just looking at trade routes, filtered by vehicle for Hull C

https://uexcorp.space/trade/routes/?id_vehicle=104

everything is scrap, until near the bottom, theres a couple stims and med routes

so from the data i can see, scrap seems like the most profitable, at least for a hull c

[pastel flame]

Yeah from that Data looks the most profitable, honestly knowing Pyro how I do those destinations are not a good move in most cases, but ymmv

I would way rather run degnous or something else with higher margin and not needing all 5k

[pastel flame]

@limpid sluice I know that isn't what you wanted to hear, looking for specifically Hull C stuff... the interstellar big trade ships are awesome, but some of those pyro locations in particular I'd be reaaaaaal worried about stopping there. Rat in particular

[sonic forum]

Save some money and just don’t do that

[limpid sluice]

oh absolutely, ive never delved into it, and i probably still wont, but i was mostly curious if theyd actually put any work into the big system to system trade ship, but doesnt look like it if scrap is the hottest commodity

[pastel flame]

They have, and I can link you some pretty good spectrum posts that have come up on that lately, but it's going to be a whole new dynamic and more hostile as well as more profitable.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/4-0-eptu-feedback-commodity-re-balancing

Look for posts from CTerry-CIG

Their name is not in gold

But great posts

[cunning agate]

What’s the word on the street about the best overall s1 mining laser?

[pallid talon]

Im glad you deserve it retaliator user smh

[vestal ravine]

I has someone tell me the selling price of CM on the Pyro side is boosetd to $2,500.00. Is that right?

[pearl juniper]

Helix has the most power, but a really small optimal charge window. I like the Hofstede if going for a more balanced laser, although the Helix paired with a Focus module is good if you can deal with the small optimal window. Helix is also nice in that it has two module slots, most of the S1 lasers only have 1.

[cunning agate]

Went with the Helix with Focus.

[pearl juniper]

I usually run a Reiger in the second slot for more power, but there are other options for course.

[cunning agate]

I went with the Reiger as well. Great minds.

[pearl juniper]

Chart I made to estimate maximum mass rock that you can break with a few different laser setups

Mostly useful if you are trying to decide if it's worth using an active module or getting out to deploy a gadget. I assume it's still accurate for 4.0... maybe not.

[sonic forum]

Ok!!!!

[pastel flame]

Deep space mining ops

[sonic forum]

For a second I thought you were mining the Polaris

[pastel flame]

2 prospectors in a polaris is good times

[sonic forum]

Very cool stuff. Around Yela?

[pastel flame]

Terminus.

[sonic forum]

Oh, it seemed Yela from here, good to have you in Pyro as well

[pastel flame]

It's been a lot of fun

Saw a little action out there XD

[ocean compass]

your this chart needs to be pinned

i was looking for this chart after chat was merged

a newbie was asking for mass size per combo

i knew abt this chart but i couldnt find it

[pastel flame]

[pallid talon]

Hi travis

[pastel flame]

Someone had been asking about the mining gadgets and backpacks with the new storage, here's your average Waveshift

[jovial matrix]

the cutty black has a tractor beam. I dunno how good it is at loading/unloading, but it does have one

[wind pilot]

Man, I do miss mining a little

[wind pilot]

No mole bags?

[sonic forum]

Sup man 🌭

[pallid talon]

Hotdog?? Why 😭

[coarse ember]

[pastel flame]

Not for PTU, way too much hassle for testing with near daily resets!

[wind pilot]

Yeah fair enough

But you gotta test the ease of attaching!

Now that they removed the one bar

[pastel flame]

I'll leave that for another tester and do the fun stuff, thx 🙂

[ivory gazelle]

how are deposits and asteroids calculated to be easy, challenging and impossible?

[pearl juniper]

I think it's just based on if you have enough laser power to crack it. Not really a difficulty (as that should take instability into account), and I don't know that it does.

it's also not always correct, sometimes it will say impossible when you actually have just barely enough power to do it (but it might take a while).

[cunning agate]

I'll throw this one up here. I often start a jump like this

and end it like this

What's going on here. Ship just not sticking inside the container like it should?

[cunning agate]

On a serious note, yeah. The only way to get the 12SCU bags is to call up a Mole, strip it of the bags, then put them onto your Prospector, Because the 12SCU bags you can buy come up the elevator like this

[near swallow]

I would think the Mole bag issue would be a relatively simple fix, but it's one they haven't gotten around to fixing yet.

One thing about mining in Pyro, I don't know where you would sell minerals, if you were able to live long enough to mine some.

[cunning agate]

Trying to figure it out right now with 4.0 and Pyro and the economy in so much flux is kinda a fool's errand, but it'll settle out soon enough.

[near swallow]

Once 4.0 goes live, at least for a while, you'll probably need a fleet of escorts in order to do much mining in Pyro, and of course there are ores in Pyro that you can't get anywhere else, which I'm sure will eventually be needed for crafting/base building, to try and force people not into PvP to go to Pyro.

[coarse ember]

For my loop of salvage all I care to look at is the sell pricing, in pyro is about 1.4k more than Stanton at checkmate, not sure if it varies between stations in pyro, didn't see any listing for RMC in pyro

[near swallow]

RMC is normally sold at TDD, along with minerals. But I'm not sure there is any such place in Pyro.

[sonic forum]

Which is cool, i’m sure that 4.0 will bring a lot more possibilities for pilots and players interested in role playing as escort / security forces. I had a lot of fun those days going down to outposts just to defend civilian ships against bad players

[near swallow]

Problem is that 1. It may not be economically viable. If you're paying say 5 mil for escorts but you only make 200k, then that's not really going to work. 2. There is the problem of trying to find people to be escorts that won't stab you in the back. 3. There's no guarantee that even a fleet of escorts will be able to keep you safe, so you could end up out the money for the escorts and still die.

[sonic forum]

Then bring some friends / your own group with their ships. Probably the only way to avoid all those problems. Clearly they will still receive a cut, but it’s better than loosing everything / getting no profit at all.
Or, you can test your luck and go solo. And you need some guts in Pyro

[near swallow]

My friends don't play SC. And I've actually not recommended it to my best friend, because he wants games with depth. And SC's gameplay so far is shallow.

[cunning agate]

Friends don't recommend SC to friends. It's not a friendly thing to do.

[near swallow]

I recommended against SC.

He's not really big on MMOs either.

[cunning agate]

Say it with me: "The org is death. The crew is life."

SC is and will be as MMO-ey as you want. It always befuddles me that people who are generally proudly non hierarchical and independent will gladly and eagerly subordinate themselves to an org led by--after all--another gamer.

[near swallow]

Don't have an org because there's no good place to talk about them to try and find a good one.

[cunning agate]

Start with having a good session with one other player.

Just one.

[sonic forum]

Maybe finding one directly in game, i established a lot of connections just being friendly in global chat

[near swallow]

The only time I actually had a good time playing with other people, was with people who have not been playing SC since.

I teamed up with random people for Overdrive, and it was not fun

[cunning agate]

I made a great connection with a player simply by saying "Hey, my legs are broke on Bloom. Can I get a pickup?"

[cunning agate]

Well you kinda gotta do that watching global and vibe checking.

It's a Humaning thing.

[near swallow]

It wasn't the people

[sonic forum]

Exactly, i had a similar interaction in live, ended up doing millionaire cargo runs, the guy gave me way more than what i deserved

[near swallow]

It was the game

[cunning agate]

In the end CIG's missions are gonna be busted. Finding people who can remain chill through the crap is the key.

[near swallow]

The people were fine, except that it takes half an hour of waiting (or more) to get everyone together before starting a mission

[cunning agate]

SC requires patience.

[near swallow]

Everything in SC takes a long time, and trying to play with other people makes it take twice as long, and not everyone can spend 8 hours a day playing SC

[cunning agate]

It's a puzzle and a problem to be solved.

Maybe that's why I like Star Citizen. To me, games have always been about problem solving.

[near swallow]

All the puzzle solving in the world can't get rid of QT travel times, for example

[cunning agate]

I really don't have much sympathy for complaints of this nature, because I see the benefit and the rationale for QT travel times.

I do understand that time is valuable, but QT travel times have been greatly reduced compared to how they have been in the past.

[near swallow]

Now, in theory, if you had a certain people that you know and you arranged a time and place to play ahead of time, then you could do things a bit better.

But it still takes a lot of time to do things, and if you only have an hour to play, you aren't likely to get much done in a group.

[cunning agate]

In any group, there's going to be people who have more time. Let them do the setup.

In the end you'll get out of it what you put into it.

And another thing is that a session isn't always about the bottom line. Had a great session last night where we problem solved and survived and prevailed. That was worth more than the aUEC balance.

[cunning agate]

Here's where I get direct. I hope CIG never does really solve to full effect the problem of the player who only has an hour to play.

[near swallow]

Then the game's playerbase will likely stagnate in my opinion, and probably eventually get smaller and smaller.

[sonic forum]

That’s just the structure of the base game itself. But it doesn’t mean that you cannot grind or progress. If you have a Vulture, you will get 400k credits out of that single hour of playtime. By yourself. You do not necessarily need to play with other people, if you can’t make it because you do not have time / they are online when you are not, then go alone. There are ways to progress without spending 300 hours and suitable for a lone player.

[near swallow]

I've never gotten that kind of money in that amount of time in a Vulture.

Even before salvage was nerfed

[sonic forum]

I did in less than that. 50 minutes are enough

Sent pictures of it in this exact channel 300 times

Actually i’m wrong

Not even 400k

But 460k

[near swallow]

And the last time I tried a Vulture, in 4.0, it was bugged

[sonic forum]

Oh well, i won’t comment on this because i never tried the Vulture here on 4.0

So i’m not sure

[near swallow]

They added a new control panel, and on mine after doing an Arrow, the panel thought the buffer was empty

Was a patch or two ago

[sonic forum]

Mmh i see, will take a look, my Vulture was not pledged, so i lost it when moving to 4.0 EPTU, what i said was definitely working in live since one week ago (the RMC value will still get you 450k for 35 SCUs of RMC, that’s what i used to carry inside the Vulture)

[near swallow]

4.0 will likely make it harder to hire escorts, since mission payouts are boosted, which means you'll be competing with them. Not sure what mission payouts are like for higher levels, but even a starter mission is like 50k.

I can't do salvage mission on Live, and the last time I tried to do panels, I didn't get much. In a Reclaimer.

[sonic forum]

Trust me i only want to help, but i need to tell you, if you tried to salvage panels with the Claimer, the problem here was different

[near swallow]

And I can't tell if a ship is actually abandoned or not since ships don't show their owner when scanned

I've made half a mil salvaging panels with a Reclaimer before, but then they nerfed RMC for them

[cunning agate]

That's your fear, or maybe you want that to be my fear. I've seen things come and go and SC will be among them. I'll let CIG figure out how to protect their bottom line.

But here's the real problem: If CIG makes it so that a one hour a day player can achieve much, the no lifers will be gods straddling SC with their grindcore.

[sonic forum]

With the Reclaimer you can actually get 360k in 10 minutes as now in Live…

Tutorial: accept an Hammerhead unverified salvage mission, chew it up entirely (3 minutes of “work”) go home, sell, profit

this will change in Pyro? It will remain still VERY profitable, considering that you can swallow big ships in seconds

[near swallow]

I'm not interested in illegal missions, and I thought they made it so you had to scrape before fracturing.

[sonic forum]

It has literally ZERO impact on your crimestat, no effect at all. And yes, you can even scrape it for much more profit if you want it

[near swallow]

It's not about crimestat. It's about morality.

[sonic forum]

I mean… that’s an abandoned vessel…. Not even coming from a player…
I did way much more things in SC..

[near swallow]

And if you can still fracture ships without scraping them, then that IMHO borders on exploit territory.

[near swallow]

Just because the ship is in a salvage mission does not mean it actually is abandoned, lore wise. Ships in illegal salvage missions could be stolen ships, with you kind of acting as a chop shop, or ships used in crimes and you are there to destroy evidence.

[cunning agate]

How can you be complaining that CIG makes it impossible for you to achieve what you want in limited time and then anti exploit? It's cognitive dissonance.

Which we humans are prone to. The horns of a dilemma. Wanting two mutually unsupported things.

[crude thunder]

you can only scrape a ship without shields... and you can only fracture a ship without power as far as I am aware from playing with a Vulture. I have seen/heard where you can just fracture ships and skip the scrape. But you don't get the RMC

[sonic forum]

It’s correct. Shields are actually a good indicator. Another one is trying to move the ship with the tractor beam, if you do not get a warning, you are good to go

[crude thunder]

I have sadly gotten the crime stat from people leaving their ship without shields, I'll be scraping away and then they either come back/log back in and BOOM 20k fine if you please

[near swallow]

I am saying that, in general, if you can't get anything done in an hour, it is likely to turn off people trying the game out for the first time. People like to feel that they are making progress towards something when they play a game. As far as exploits, I would rather not end up getting banned.

[sonic forum]

I won’t be worried about it in Pyro…

We do not have Klescher here..

[near swallow]

Pyro is an entirely different kettle of fish

[crude thunder]

dude I don't know if I would want to scrape hulls in pyro lol, I'd probably have to yoink the whole ship with the Argo tow truck, move it to another location and then scrape/salvage

[near swallow]

Also, the reason I took a Reclaimer out to do panels, is that I was hoping to find a derelict 890J.

As I have done before, but when I had my Vulture out.

In my book, if you aren't scraping hulls, you aren't doing salvage properly. But that is just me.

[crude thunder]

if the economy ever became a supply/demand driven we may run into the issue where theres too much RMC from people scraping and at some point with crafting the Construction Materials are worth more

[cunning agate]

I think CIG is pretty lenient on any unintended workarounds that they themselves make available through oversight.

As in: TOTALLY lenient.

[crude thunder]

I tried to reply with a gif of Ray Charles here, but the server didn't like it

[near swallow]

If it wasn't for the "crunch and run" crowd, CM would be worth a lot more then it is now. Their actions had an effect on everyone who salvages.

[sonic forum]

You can find abandoned / crashed ships in areas far from markers of any kind. I would start definitely there. Risky, but still acceptable. Players tend to stay close to markers and cargo areas

[near swallow]

Now salvage is so nerfed, you can't even get 1 SCU of RMC from an Arrow.

[crude thunder]

my gameplay loop is simple at the moment, see multiple parked abandoned polaris, strip the rmc off, pack it up into 8scu boxes to sell at TDD

[cunning agate]

Keep doing that. CIG is collecting data.

[pastel flame]

Don't blame players for conditions the developers create. Not only that but crunch and run was curbed through changes to missions, not construction mats. They literally just doubled the value of that.

And the scraping amounts correlate with the faster uptake values

Biggest real issue with pyro salvage is rep

I could do 20 arrow missions and not have upgraded rep yet, before it was 2

[near swallow]

They apparently have not stopped crunch and run, according to TRVSGREY, and I do blame CIG for allowing it. But it was the players who abused it that caused the CM price nerf.

[pastel flame]

I don't really care to read back, I know the facts on this because I salvaged through the entire saga

Crunch and run became shit as soon as the cargo refactor happened

Anyone thinking different just didn't know what crunch n run was

[near swallow]

#industrial-professions message

[pastel flame]

Yup, big dirty lie because you'll never unload in 10 minutes

Just ignore the worst part of the loop, ez

You have a reclaimer, right? You should know instantly that 10 minutes isn't going to be true

[near swallow]

In theory there is auto-unload

[pastel flame]

I just laughed out loud

Go try it!

[near swallow]

I've heard people say it works, but I haven't tried it in a while

[pastel flame]

People say a lot of things.

[near swallow]

I haven't filled my Reclaimer enough for it to be an issue

[pastel flame]

You pay a fee, it takes time, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.

Take it from someone who has, lol

[near swallow]

I have used auto-unload while commodity trading, but the one time I tried it for RMC it did not work